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B
Talk
too
much
confidential
stuff
because
we
like
to
work
in
the
open,
but
but
if
we,
if
we
do,
I
don't
have
to
publish
this.
I
can
keep
it,
but
I
definitely
want
to
keep
it
for
my
private
records,
so
I
can
refer
back
to
it.
Oh
the
very
least.
A
A
B
Confidential
yeah,
but
I
mean
the
main
thing
I
want
to.
You
know
think
about
the
situation
here
regarding
your
interest,
like
I
kind
of
thought
back
about
this,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
your
needs
are
being
met
like
I
do
hear
you
talk
a
lot
about,
you
know
producing
heavy
machines
and
things
like
that,
then
you
know
we
have
the
3d
printers
to
offer,
but
I
really
want
to
maybe.
B
Bit
more
from
you
kind
of
like
what
are
your
latest
thoughts
and
where,
where
you
stand
on
what
I
wrote
in
my
email
as
well,
as
you
know,
I
think
for
the
3d
printer,
we're
okay,
where
we
are
on
that.
So
I'm
not
particularly
concerned
about
it.
My
main
goal
is
to
find
out
more
kind
of
like
what
your
ideal
outcome
would
be,
and
what
are
your
your
latest
thoughts
here,
yeah
yeah.
A
I
think
how
you
structured
your
email
was
more
of
or
less
of
what
I
was
thinking
in
fact
also
lately
that
maybe
to
sort
of
localize
it
to
the
needs-
or
maybe
the
individual
people
like
myself,
as
I
start
like
you
say,
you
know,
would
maybe
be
much
more
better
yield,
better,
better
outcomes,
reason
being
because
the
I
think
the
needs
differ
for
the
machines
you
know
universally,
as
per
maybe
I
know,
3d
printing
is
obviously
big
and
but
then,
with
a
little
bit
of
a
history
locally
here
in
south
africa,
the
heavy
equipment
machinery
as
well.
A
It's
also
something
that's
also
a
sort
of
a
there,
are
available
markets
and
then
sort
of
something
that's
also
in
need.
So
that
was
the
initial
need
that
I
really
had,
because
I
was
seeing
both
the
opportunities
commercially
and
obviously
you
know
sort
of
personally-
and
you
know
so,
it
will
really
be
something
that's
worth
a
while
for
me,
a
in
all
honesty
and
then
obviously,
3d
printing
I've
also
got
into
the
swing
of
it.
A
Because
of
what
we've
been
doing
lately,
you
know
for
the
past
few
weeks,
so
I've
also
sort
of
been
trying
to
sort
of
catch
up
with.
Obviously
the
ins
and
outs
of
trading,
pretty
markets
and
all
those
kind
of
things.
So
it's
also
as
to
a
certain
level
got
to
me
to
sort
of
spark
that
interest
that
I'll
also
be
a
wanting
to
sort
of
find
out
and
do
more
around
the
3d
printing.
So
I
think
exactly
how
you've
structured.
A
B
A
That's
correct
because
what
what
is
happening
at
the
moment,
I'm
it's
just
going
to
to
the
time
of
the
year
where
we're
really
catching
up
at
work
because
of
the
time
that
we
really
lost
in
terms
of
the
during
the
covert
19..
So
what
happened?
We
had
a
about
the
two
months
locked
down
in
terms
of
the
the
covert
situation,
so
there's
a
bit
of
backlog
that
we,
I
I
really
had
to
catch
up.
So
that's
consuming
a
bit
of
my
time.
A
That's
why
lately
I've
been
so
busy
because
we're
now
at
the
lower
level
risk
level,
at
least
so
we
are
allowed
to
do
some
work
and
all
those
things
so
I've
been
really
most
of
my
time
have
been
dedicated
to
sort
of
catching
up
with
work
and
all
that.
But
then
in
reality
I
think
the
situation
is
not
really
permanent,
that
I'm
always
going
to
be
busy.
A
Probably
you
know
for
the
for
the
duration
of
the
year
or
or
anything
like
that,
the
way
I
see
it,
I
think
how
we
planned
it
initially
would
be
best
to
to
start
with
the
two
years
and
then
look
at
it.
Maybe
after
I
would
say
about
four
or
five
months,
because
it
might
be
the
busiest
time
that
I
I
go
through
just
to
try
and
catch
up
depending
how
how
the
situation
unveils,
but
then
yeah.
So
I
think
the
two
years
from
now
should
be
fine.
A
We
can
leave
it
open
and
that
with
the
two
years,
a
invention
training,
but
of
course
I
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
also
trying
to
sort
of
move
because
it's
a
transition
as
well.
I'm
also
trying
to
move
a
lot
of
things
as
well
from
my
shoulders
and
so
that
I
can
also
try
and
make
a
lot
of
time
for
at
least
the
20
hours
or
even
improve
on
the
the
hours
that
I
have
available
during
the
week.
So
the
situation
should
really
improve
within
a
few
months.
From
now.
A
Correct,
yes,
yes,
so
I
do
have
guys
who
have
we
have
who
are
in
place
already,
but
then
obviously
some
things
needed
me
because
they're
a
bigger
responsibilities,
one
day
on
the
on
the
our
company
side,
but
then
yeah.
So
obviously
I'm
trying
to
sort
of
upskill
some
of
the
guys
and
just
have
them
assume
more
responsibility
than
I
previously
did,
but
then
because
it's
not
easy
as
we're
dealing
with
clients,
because
what
I
I
want
to
do
is
the
ose
immersion
training
or
the
whole
ose
chapter
I'd.
A
Rather,
I
want
to
be
the
front
the
front
sort
of
the
front
person.
You
know
I
don't
really
want
to
sort
of
dedicate
it
to
anybody
else.
I
I
prefer,
if
it's
myself
and
then
I'll
rather
maybe
try
and
split
my
responsibility
between
my
my
day-to-day
with
versus
plus
the
the
ose,
so
that
I
can
give
it
a
full
full
sort
of
commitment.
Yeah
from
the
beginning.
B
A
So
what
I,
what
I
have
is
a
we
will
compose
a
team
from
engineers
down
to
sort
of
artisanal
level.
So
artisanal
guys
will
be
more
like
your
welding,
guys,
your
or
boilermakers
as
they
call
them,
and
then
also
your
your
mechanical,
fitters
and
electricians
and
then
obviously,
at
a
higher
level.
It
will
be
engineers
like
for
now.
We've
got
a
structural
engineer
and
a
mechanical
engineer
on
our
side
and
an
electrical
engineer
as
well.
B
A
B
A
A
I
assume
the
responsibility
of
lead
process
and
at
times
I
also
work
as
a
project
manager,
and
then
my
partner
also
does
the
same
she's.
Also
a
chemical
engineer,
which
is
more
or
less
overlaps
with
the
metallurgical
side,
and
then
they
lead.
We've
got
a
lead
in
structural
engineering.
We've
got
a
lead
in
electrical
engineering
and
we've
got
a
lead
engineer
in
in
mechanical
so
that
they
do.
A
That
is
the
permanent
team
that
we
have,
but
then,
depending
on
the
project
needs
we
do
load
people
junior
engineers
when
the
need
comes
when
there's
more
work
coming
from
that
line.
So
sometimes
we
do
load
a
lot
of
engineers,
but
they
are
not
permanently
they.
But
these
guys
that
I've
sort
of
mentioned
initially
are
the
guys
that
are
almost
always
stay.
B
Yeah,
yes,
is
this
work?
Is
this
the
fossil
fuel
industry,
or
is
it
mining
industry
both.
A
A
B
A
Process
plans,
yes,
like
the
one
that
I
explained
to
you,
that
I
did
for
the
village.
I'll
I'll
actually
show
you
the
pictures
here,
so
it
was
a
small
plant
that
so
what
we
do
is
we
do
normally,
because
some
of
the
clients
have
obviously
got
existing
facilities.
So
what
we
normally
do?
We
don't
start
from
green
first.
We
don't
do
really
a
lot
of
green
fields
whereby
greenfield
it's
when
you
do
a
project
from
scratch
built
from
nothing
to
a
full
operation.
So
what
we
do
is
we?
A
We
go
into
operations
that
really
exist,
and
then
we
either
assist
in
terms
of
optimization
or
sort
of
looking
at
expansion
projects
with
them
and
all
those
kind
of
things.
So
then
we
do
feasibility
studies,
maybe
from
the
level
of
preface
to
all
the
way,
to
execution
and
commissioning
and
sort
of
integrating
that
system
into
the
existing.
But
outside.
A
That's
why
I
said
the
golden
flag
of
mine
was
the
one
that
I
did
with
the
community,
whereby
I,
I
think
I'll
share
the
pictures
whereby
I
did
a
it's
a
fairly
small
chrome
treatment
plant
whereby
we
we
designed
it
just
a
out
of
nothing
and
really
put
up
a
few
spiral
systems
and
then
just
to
wash
off
the
chrome
and
then
really
the
product
that
will
be
sort
of
a
concentrate
fit
into
the
next
process
stage.
So
pretty
much.
What
we.
A
What
I
do
myself
is
that
I
my
capability
personally,
is
that
I
I've
got.
That
is
the
know-how
from
from
the
beginning
of
the
process.
So
I've
been
involved
in
greenfield
projects
and
then
I've
also
been
involved
in
sort
of
like
the
ones
that
I'm
currently
involved
in
brownfields
project,
which
is
you
coming
in,
and
sort
of.
A
A
It's
electric
motors:
we
mainly
work
with
electric
motors.
Yes,
so
we
haven't
really
gone
to
like
we
don't
do
a
lot
of
engines
and
sort
of
diesel
stuff.
So
it's
mainly
electrical
because
I
guess
what
happens
is
that
it's
always
cheaper
to
run
plans
on
on
electricity,
the
site
because
of
the
core
situation
is
much
cheaper
to
to
have
it
on
on
electrical.
So
I
guess
engines
if
you're
talking
in
terms
of
diesel
becomes
more
expensive
than
having
it
on
electrical.
So
we
always
almost
use
electrical
motors.
B
A
B
A
A
But
at
the
same
time
I'm
also
trying
to
have
the
sort
of
the
civilization
idea
just
like
how
you've
sort
of
explained
it
so
that
I
can
also
obviously
sort
of
be
able
to
self-sustain.
You
know
because
the
reality
is
that
sometimes
the
it
it
it's
a
challenging
industry
whereby,
if
one
doesn't
really
upskill
himself
to
that
level,
where
you
have
got
the
necessary
tools
of
of
of
organization,
sometimes
it
dries
up.
A
And
then
you
find
yourself
with
a
situation
whereby
there's
not
much
in
terms
of
consulting,
but
then
I'm
trying
to
you
know
sort
of
have
that
alternative.
Should
that
really
not
be
a
a
a
a
a
because
as
it
is
not
really
more
sustainable,
so
I
find
it
much
more
a
bit
of
both
on
my
side.
I
don't
know
if
that
makes
sense,
so
just
trying
to
really
contribute
to
the
engineering
field
and
then,
if
it
can
help
the
the
industry
being
in
the
current
lines
that
I
have
or
somebody
else.
A
That
would
be
something
that
really
would
be
a
an
ideal
situation
for
me
and
then
also
at
the
same
time.
I
want
to
also
at
a
personal
level
and
obviously
at
the
community
level,
be
able
to
also
assist
in
terms
of
civilization
and
sort
of
creating
such
opportunities
or
such
tools
and
for
the
for
for
for
for
the
surrounding
communities.
A
So
yeah
yeah,
so
it's
a
real
contributor.
I
I
really
believe
in
the
osce
model
I
mean
with
the
philosophy.
It's
great,
that's
why
I
expect
my
interest
so
no
doubt
that
it
would.
It
would
be
something
that
significantly
contribute
either
way
through
what
I'm
doing
now,
or
maybe
something
else,
because
I
I
see
that
even
the
greater
potential
beyond
what
I'm
doing
through
through
the
the
the
model.
B
Yeah
I
mean,
can
you
envision,
like
I
don't
know
like
what
would
you
see
that
you
have
that
you
have
succeeded
in
like
in.
A
Yes,
yes,
yes
mansion.
Obviously
I'm
a
metallurgist,
I
mean
so
the
biggest
thing
that
I
always
envisioned
was
only
my
own
facility
as
in
a
processing
plant.
A
You
know
I
mean
that
has
been
one
of
my
biggest
starships
like
I
said
a
one
of
my
biggest
besides
the
machine
machineries,
and
all
that
I
also
saw
the
fairness,
and
then
I
mean
something
that
really
sparked
my
interest
that
you
know
one
day
if
I
could
have,
even
if
it's
a
small
but
a
decent,
a
production
facility
such
as
a
a
a
a
a
smelting
facility
because,
like
I
said,
there's
a
little
bit
of
abundance
in
the
mineral
side.
So
it's
always
been
something
that
I
I
envisaged
myself
doing.
A
You
know
pes
as
an
achievement
and
obviously
being
able
to
sort
of
create
those
opportunities
for
other
people,
and
so
I
mean
it
ties
into
the
osce
in
a
sense
that
most
of
the
the
the
technology
is
there,
it's
been
identified
and
then
obviously
for
one
to
really
develop
it
further
or
contribute
or
be
part
of.
It
would
really
make
sense
in
a
in
a
sort
of
long
term.
A
In
a
long
term
sort
of
basis,
hence
why
I
say
you
know
personally
that's
what
I
would
like
to
sort
of
I
or
something
that
I've
always
had
with
myself
to
say.
I
I
really
want
to
sort
of
have
this
facility,
where
I
can
be
sort
of
having
my
own
production
at
my
own
sort
of
space
and
and
and
time.
A
Obviously
we
we,
I
I
work
a
lot
with
still
I
mean
it's
always
been
the
number
one
priority
in
terms
of
the
communities
that
I've
identified,
because
I
mean
we're
not
really
much
of
a
more
petrol
or
gas
or
oil
producing
country,
but
we
are
more
of
a
mineral,
a
sort
of
base
than
mining
country.
So
one
was
looking
at
steel.
I
mean
the
the
the
the
production
of
steel
is
always
a
winner,
because
it's
there
it's
a
the
commodity.
That
goes
a
long
way,
so
I've
always
had
interest
in
steel.
A
I
I
I've
also
previously,
I
think,
tried
to
be
involved
in
the
recycling
of
the
metals
and
and
all
those
kind
of
things,
but
obviously
yeah.
The
technology
becomes
similar
for
such
things
to
happen.
So
still,
definitely
something
that
I
could
be
looking
at
as
a
final
product.
A
Worked
with
technology,
fairness,
technology
myself,
yes,
so
I've,
I
even
myself,
have
been
involved
in
terms
of
finances,
maybe
not
on
the
more
on
the
electrical
side,
but
more
the
methodological
science
side
whereby
dealing
with
the
chemistry
of
the
the
fairness,
the
building
in
terms
of
the
structural
integrity
and
all
that
I've
done
that
previously.
B
A
In
passing
not
really
into
detail,
because
I
mean
yeah,
there's
a
lot
of
things
emerging
so
one
to
keep
up
you,
you
really
have
to
be
yeah.
A
B
B
C
A
Zinc,
not
so
popular
anymore,
because
I
know,
I
think,
the
because
of
the
current
processes
that
are
in
place.
I
think
a
lot
of
zinc
facilities
that
used
to
be
there
decommissioned
for
simple
reason
that
I
think
the
operational
cost
was
just
a
a
little
bit
higher.
I
guess
because
they
it
consumes
a
lot
of.
A
I
think
they
were
using
the
vibratory
furnaces
and
those
open
furnaces
and
then
whereby
they
consumed
a
lot
of
electricity.
So
I
I
know
a
few
places
that
were
really
shut
down,
that
used
to
a
sort
of
a
produce
zinc
and
then
did
you
either.
I
think
the
other
metal
that
you
spoke
about
was
nickel
nickel.
If
I'm
not
taking.
Yes,
so
nickel,
it's
it's!
It's
the
end
production,
but
it's
normally
the
big
guys,
because
what
happens?
A
How
the
mineralogy
is
structured
in
in
south
africa
is
that
the
the
very
oil
that
is
used
for
producing
platinum
is
the
one
that
best
nickel
and
copper,
so
it
sort
of
comes
in
in
the
same
old
body.
So
what
happens?
Is
that
the
the
process
of
removing
or
covering
or
or
extracting
nickel
sort
of
comes?
In
fact
becomes
more
like
a
by-product
from
the
platinum
producers,
so
it's
normally
the
big
guys.
A
Isn't
platinum,
yes,
nope
platinum
is
it's
very
interesting.
I'm
interested
yeah,
like
I
said
at
any
time,
because
that's
what
we
have
anyway
in
wrestling
deck,
I
mean
one
word.
A
Let
me
let
me
practice
this
way,
so
there's
two
ways
how
you
can
get
that's
a
small
scale.
I
guess
we're
talking
small
scale
so
that
the
the
easiest
and
the
a
most
possible
way
that
would
be
quicker
without
really
getting
involved
in
terms
of
mining
and
all
that
would
be
to
implement
sort
of
like
a
small
scale,
a
fairness
facility,
because
there
isn't
none
of
those
like
a
lot
of
fairness
and
smelting
application
is
done
by
big
guys
or
either
the
concentrate
like
we
discussed.
A
B
A
It's
it's
because
platinum
from
the
what
happens,
there
are
three
main
steps
in
platinum,
production
or
or
the
other
method.
So
the
first
main
one
will
be
to
concentrate
whereby
you
use
physical
method
to
do
the
separation
of
the
the
oil
from
underground.
So
you
put
it
through
crushers.
A
No
it
it
so
what
they
do
they
manipulate,
so
they
use
these
things
called
they
more
like
sufficient.
So
they
act
on
your
surface
of
your
of
your
of
your
of
your
of
your
yes
and
then.
What
happens?
Is
that?
Because
now,
what
platinum
will
tend
to
do
the
order
with
god
it's
more
in
a
sulphite,
a
host
body,
so
it
will
tend
to
to
be
so.
They
manipulate
the
it
will
have
to
be
more
a
aerophobic
and
aerophyllic
rather
have
the
affinity
for
air.
A
Then
it
will
float
through
air
and
on
top
of
through
there,
then
you'll
have
a
frother
which
will
really
carry
it
as
it
rises
above
the
the
resident.
You
suppress
the
gang
or
the
minerals
that
you
don't
want
through
a
depressors
other
chemicals
which
really
make
them
their
silicates
and
all
those
kind
of
other
oxides
whereby
you
you'll
apply.
The
you'll
apply
the
the
depressants
to
to
make
them
more
hydrophilic
as
opposed
to
the
affiliate.
Then
they
will
sink.
A
B
A
As
far
as
I
know,
I
think
that
also
it's
also
sort
of
a
market
that's
dominated
by
you
know
a
few
companies
whereby
really
the
process
is
not
difficult,
but
then
I
think
the
because
it's
the
rate
is
the
hydrocarbons.
A
I
think
it's
more
of
a
product
that
comes
from
the
sort
of
the
chemical
industry,
the
so
the
main,
the
main
the
main,
the
two
main
products
that
are
used
in
flotation
are,
it's
called
the
frother
and
one
is
called
the
sun
fate,
something
being
the
main
one,
because
dante
is
produced
from
sulphites.
As
far
as
I
understand
and
then
there's
the
so
there's
a
few
guys
that
does
it
something,
I
think
then.
Obviously
I
don't
know
if
commercially
is
viable.
A
If
you-
because
I
think
it's
it's
one
of
those
businesses
that
are
driven
by
volume,
you
know
so
for
one
to
be
able
to
run
a
facility
like
that
to
produce
such
products.
You
need
to
also
justify
it
with
the
volume
that
you
sell
into
the
market,
so
it's
pretty
much
dominated
by
the
same
sort
of
people
and
then
yeah.
But
those
are
the
products
that
are
commonly
used
in
the
in
the
flow.
A
B
A
I
don't
really
know
the
full
composition,
yes,
but
I
think
if
one
looks
up
a
so
I
just
know
it
more
as
a
product.
So.
A
Yeah,
I
would
think
it's
proprietary,
because
there's
been
a
few
guys,
who've
been
trying
to
sort
of
compete
for
the
same
products,
but
then
they're
not
really
winning.
So
there's
a
lot
of
secrecy
that
goes
into
it.
So
it
is,
it
is
as
normal,
a
highly
highly
confidential
by
those
guys
that
does
it.
B
Okay,
do
you
have
the
resources
so
you're
talking
about
for
steel?
So
what
resources
are
you
talking
about?
You
have
plenty
of
iron.
A
Yeah,
like
I'm
saying,
there's
two
ways:
one
would
be
to
really
look
at
it
from
the
mining
sort
of
site
whereby
you
can
I'm
sure
there
is
some
mineral,
but
then
there's
there's
a
few
like
we
discussed
the
last
time.
You
know
there's
this.
It
comes
with
its
own
challenges,
but
then
the
easiest
way
would
be
to
really
take
it
a
step
further
from
what
everybody
is
doing,
because
the
small
scalers
what
they
do.
Fortunately,
they
don't
er
lead
up
to
the
final
product.
C
C
C
A
Outside
to
china
and
the
us
or
various
countries
who
would
then
have
interest
in
taking
the
the
concentrate
feather
into
products
yeast.
So
in
fact,
I
think
bulk
of
it
is
shipped
that
way
as
a
concentrate
most
of
the
incoming
either
chrome,
because
now,
obviously
in
still
making
the
main
process
that
I
I
know
is
that
they
you
you
get
the
same.
A
Chromite
or
chrome
that
has
been
treated
through
the
spiral
washes
and
then
they
put
into
a
smelter
to
produce
your
ferrochromites,
which
now
become
your
direct,
fit
that
combined
with
your
depending
what
type
of
steel
you're
trying
to
make.
Either
you
can
put
your
your
other
nickels
or
manganese
or
other
other
other
ferro
alloys,
combined
with
the
ferro
ferro
ferrochrome,
to
make
your
stainless
steel
into
the
I
know.
A
A
You've
got
chrome,
which
is
the
sea
up
a
oxide
in
oxide,
your
iron,
you
can
either
add
your
peak
iron,
I
think.
Normally
they
add
your
pick
iron
or
scrap
metals,
to
make
up
the
depending
on
the.
So
sometimes
you
get
the
oil
that
has
got
a
bit
of
iron
and
then
you
can
just
drive
off
the
other
impurities
through
slack
chemistry
and
all
that.
A
But
then,
if
in
the
deficiency
of
iron,
you
can
add
either
your
peak
pick
what
they
call
peak
irons
or
your
scrap
really,
and
then
you
can
use
that
to
facilitate
the
iron
i9
in
the
chromite
fairness
or
fertile
making
ferroferal
ferrochrome
production
yeast,
but
it's
a
in
in
the
end,
it's
actually
a
combination
of
your
chromite,
which
is
your
chrome
oxide,
plus
your
a
bit
of
iron
that
you
either
add
or
depending
on
the
chemist
like
if
you
get
to
zoom
site.
A
That
would
be
the
best.
Imagine,
because
I
tell
you
the
the
potential
there
is
to
it's
it's
also.
So
when
you
look
at
south
africa,
they
normally
they
we.
We
normally
are
the
window
of
africa
not
in
in
in
any
other
way
in
terms
of
technology
and
the
investment.
And
what
would
happen
is
normally
because
of
the
abundance
in
the
in
the
continent
itself,
africa.
A
They
normally
sort
of
take
their
technology,
as
is
so
models
and
all
those
kind
of
things
that
we
use
in
south
africa,
be
it
small
scale
or
big
scale
and
to
implement.
So
africa
is
actually
the
market
that
you
could
potentially
be
looking
for.
If
that
is
implemented
successfully,.
A
More
likely,
yes,
because
a
lot
of
stuff
is
shipped
and
introduced
in
into
sa
a
most
of
the
time
and
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
r
d,
and
then
we've
got
also
a
lot
of
advancement
in
terms
of
methodological
and
process
engineering.
I
mean
we
there's
a
facility,
also
called
the
they
call
it
the
mintec.
It's
just
a.
D
A
Similar
to
so
they've
done
a
lot
of
r
d
over
the
years
in
terms
of
metallurgical
systems
and
whatnot,
but
what
if
they
have
not
really
focused
on
it,
give
a
chance
to
small
scale.
So
they've
been
looking
at
things
at
a
massive
scale
or
a
bigger
scale,
whereby
whatever
technology
that
they've
got
they've
implemented
rather
than
bigger
scale,
or
they
try
and
sell
it
to
the
bigger
the
bigger
corporates
and
all
that,
so
obviously
a
small
scale
is
a
requirement.
A
B
A
No,
I
I
I
I
okay,
so
what
I
do
is
I
there
are
people
that
are
like-minded,
particularly
if
maybe
it
happens
that
you
meet
the
guys
that
I
work
with
they're
very
positive
people,
thinkers
as
well,
who
also
have
got
visions,
short-term,
long-term
and
trying
to
look
at
things
that
can
change
really
civilization
like
as
you've
structured
it
properly.
You
know
and
ways
of
trying
to
do
things
at
the
localized
level
and
but
you
know
impactful
things,
so
there
are
people
like
that.
A
B
A
You
know
definitely,
yes,
that's
why
I,
I
think,
oec.
I
think
it
really
answer
a
lot
of
things.
I
think
maybe
it
could
be
that
maybe
people
are
also
not
aware,
but
I
know
you
are
in
most
platforms,
but
then
I
I
think
sometimes
it
also
takes
a
bit
of
time
to
get
to
people,
because
you
know
people
are
more.
Yes,
yes,.
C
B
B
So,
let's
see
so.
Are
you
then?
Okay
with?
So
what
are
you
most
interested
like
when
we
start
on
this?
Do
you
want
to
start
building
the
3d
printers,
or
do
you
want
to
go
like
straight
to
like
as
soon
as
you
can
to
the
torch
table
and
maybe
start
making
machines
or
like?
How
would
you
because
initially
in
a
program,
I
said
okay
here,
you
start
with
the
printers
learn
to
build.
A
Yeah,
okay,
okay,
obviously
I
want
it
all,
but
in
reality
that
I'm
trying
to
be
to
be
to
be
as
repeaters,
I
want
to
adopt
your
model.
I
see
you
are
using
a
very
agile
system.
You
know
very
rapid,
you
want
to
get
things
done
and
I
think
that's
my
my
approach
as
well.
You
know
so
for
me:
it's
the
material.
If
I
start
with
a
3d
printer,
a
touch
table
a
either
start
for
me
is
fine
as
long
as
what
I,
what
I
can
try
and
do
is
that
I
I
want
to
get
it.
A
You
know
sort
of
up
and
running
or
within
a
on
pa
within
as
repeat
as
possible
as
well.
So
I
think
that
is
the
ultimate
goal
so
that
in
the
end
we
can
achieve
a
lot
with
the
time
that
we
will
you'll
be
probably
mentoring
me
and
then
going
through
the
immersion
program
and
all
that.
So
it's
it's
it's
it's
so
the
3d
printers.
I
think,
because
we've
started
a
lot
of
work
there.
A
I
don't
know
how
much
between
that
and
the
touch
tables
and
all
that,
but
I
would
say
maybe
we
can
split
it,
that
we
start
with
this
one
and
the
3d
printers,
and
then
we
can
move
on
to
maybe
the
touch
tables
and
then
or
maybe
we
can
see
if
time
allows
we
can
move
them
parallel.
So
it's
really
material
for
me
because
it's
just
a
matter
of
one
making
time
and
really
being
much
more
sort
of
radical
and
repeat
about
it.
B
B
Is
it
okay
for
you
that,
basically,
we
keep
the
curriculum
like
instead
of
defining?
Oh,
we
go
like
because
I
started
by
saying:
okay,
here's
40
weeks
so
keep
it
flexible
like
basically
what
keep
it
flexible
and
and
as
soon
as
you
have
results,
we
move
on
to
the
next
thing
and
always
kind
of
agile,
keep
saying
okay.
Now
we
need
to
do
this
and.
A
I
know
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
so,
but
I
think
it
will
be
best
if,
if
it
really
means
that
I
I
if
I
take
a
box,
we
move
on
to
the
next
and
then
we
become
a
little
bit
flexible
because
I
think
maybe
systematically
following
a
long
process,
might
sometimes
be
a
bit
more,
not
as
agile
as
maybe
as
a
but
I
don't
know
also
depending
on.
I
also
don't
want
to
jump
the
cut
or
the
horse.
A
C
A
A
C
D
A
B
A
A
Yes,
I
wanted
more,
hence
I
get
two
or
three
guys,
and
then
we
do
it
yeast,
because
it's
just
that
I
mean
yeah.
That's
that's
more
a
practical
way
of
doing
it
because
the
more
the
people,
the
quicker
they.
Obviously
you
can
get
fenced
our
knees.
That
was
the
plan
that
I
initially
had,
but
then
I
was
not
really
even
trying
to
target
sort
of
the
the
engineers.
A
Even
I
mean,
if
I
get
guys
that
I
can
can
really
do,
because
I
also
want
to
take
up
the
skills
you
know,
because
sometimes
the
degree
leaves
you
useless
and
then
you
don't
know
how
to
weld.
You
don't
know
how
to
do
anything.
So
I
also
want
to
be
doing
things
myself
and
that's
the
very
reason
why
I
always
want
to
be
yes.
Yes,.
B
So
because
your
possibilities,
like
you,
really
understand
it,
and
then
you
can
talk
about
being
having
the
good
authority
to
know
exactly
what's
possible
and
what's
not
and
how
much
it
should
cost
and
all
of
that
so
you're
a
much
better
leader
and
you
can
then
assess
for
yourself
without
relying
on
others.
Like
someone
says
it's
impossible:
no,
it's
not!
Here's!
Here's
how
I
did
it.
You
know
yep
yep,
that
we
we
need
that
like.
I
have
that,
like
so
far
things
like
people
will
tell
me
you
can't
do
this.
You
can't
do
that.
B
B
C
B
Talk
about
the
printer
so
but
before
we
go
there,
so
let's,
let's
talk
about
so
let's
maybe
just
start.
Let's
so
let's
talk
about
things
like
it
sounds
like
you're,
comfortable
with
the
idea
that
I
am
here
at
your
disposal
to
teach
you
whatever
you
need
and
we
keep.
C
A
B
A
B
C
B
B
A
Well,
yeah,
that's
what
you
can
discuss.
I
don't
know
how
how
you'd
want
it
you
do
you
want
it.
What
is
the
preferred
method
of
doing.
C
C
B
B
A
Yeah
I
either
way
yes
or
because
what
I
was
thinking
is
hey.
I
just
want
to
talk
about
the
course,
because
I
did
the
the
material
list
and
then
the
pricing
update
on
the
material
list.
I
don't
know
if
you
so
I
managed
to
get
it
to
about
800
in
terms
of
the
parts,
but
that
was
through
some
optimization
that
I
did
so.
I
I
posted
it
back
on
the
lock.
I
don't
know
if
you
managed
to
see
that,
because
I
know
so
in
terms
of
the
cost
breakdown
that
we
initially
had.
A
I
think
we
we
spoke
about.
I
think
there
was
the
10k
in
the
us
dollars
and
that
we
spoke
about
for
the
tuition
and
then
I
think
that
was
the
parts
and
all
that.
So
that's
what
I
wanted
to
keep
you
would
keep.
A
B
A
Okay,
all
right,
and
then
now
that
brings
me
to
another
point,
because
obviously
I
see
some
of
the
items.
That
is
great
how
you
put
it
I
saw,
but
some
of
the
items
have
got
lead
times.
For
example,
I
don't
know
which
part
I
was
looking
at
because
some
some
of
them
I
find
it's
actually
cheaper
to
get
it
from
ali
express,
for
example,
and
then
they
do
yeah.
A
A
That
will
mean
practically,
maybe
we're
looking
at
about
four
weeks
before
or
five
weeks,
even
before
I
can
assemble
or
acquire
all
the
the
parts
that
are
necessary
for
my
sort
of
for
me
to
start
with
the
the
practical
work
and
then,
but
in
a
sense
of
the
situation
I
wanted
to
ask.
Maybe
because
I
I'm
handling
a
bit
of
a
offense,
is
it
possible
that
I
can
do
maybe
over
two
months
like
a
two
two
payment
terms?
Can
I
do
something
like
that,
maybe
over
two
months
or
something
like
that,
is
it
possible?
A
C
A
B
A
Because
you
know
what
happens
is
that,
unfortunately,
if
you're,
a
small
guy
there's
a
lot
of
a
sort
of
the
payment
is
not
as
great
as
what
you
would
make.
You
know
if
you,
if
you're
a
big
somebody,
is
because
there's
a
bit
of
I
give
you
an
opportunity.
Therefore
you
have
to
sort
of
you
negotiate.
You
work
at
negotiated
rates.
So,
for
example,
when
I
used
to
work
as
an
engineer
for
a
company,
I
would
make
more
money
than
if
I'm
working
now
as
a
consultant
myself,
the
raise
will
vary.
A
D
B
B
B
There
you
are
oh,
I
was
asking:
what
is,
what
does
your
partner
do
for
a
living.
A
A
A
B
Nice,
okay,
that's
really
cool
and
do
you
guys
have
kids
yet
or.
D
B
A
Yes,
like
I'm
saying,
I
think,
there's
two
guys
I
I
always
I
mean
share
the
stuff
with
them
after
we
speak
or
whatever,
whatever
I'm
doing
just
to
keep
them
up
to
date,
so
they've
shown
interest.
I
would
say
about
two
guys
that
I
work
with.
They
have
shown
interest.
B
Okay,
how
about
a
little
more
a
little
more
so
the
word
have
you
heard
me
talk
about
movement.
A
D
A
Is
is,
of
course,
because
we
we
we're
talking
entrepreneurship
at
a
different
level,
but
obviously
in
in
in
in
the
context
that
you've
put
it
now.
Yes,
I
do
see
myself
as
that
kind
of
a
an
entrepreneur.
A
I
don't
know
if
I
I
really
understood
it
100
percent
but
yeah,
but
I
think
really
it's
to
change
the
world,
while
also
trying
to
sustain
your
life,
and
you
know
making
a
means
for
your
life
as
well.
If
I
understood
it
correctly,.
B
A
B
Of
taking
on
a
big
goal
is
that.
D
A
Personally,
I
don't
have
a
problem
because
I
look
at
the
I
mean
I've
always
taken
goals
that
I
think
were
a
little
bit
up
above
my
my
my
my
reach,
but
then
I
I
always
look
to
try
and
obviously
break
new
ground
and
look
for
whatever
goals
that
I
can.
So
I
think
it's
attainable.
B
A
In
my
view,
I
I
would
say
a
lot
of
well.
Unfortunately,
it
has
to
be
political
because
there's
a
lot
of
economical.
At
the
same
time,
because
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
shift
in
terms
of
economy
where
a
few
are
enjoying
really
the
privileges
at
the
cost
of
many
people
really
sort
of
be
being
being
being
forgotten.
You
know,
because,
as
simply
of
what
the
system
is
now,
you
know
so
at
least
my
view
would
be
the
other
way
around
of
that.
A
B
A
Yes,
that's
what
I
obviously
want
to
do
yeah
so
because
I
I've
started,
I
think,
also
just
a
little
bit
before
to
try
and
you
know,
sort
of
change,
a
bit
of
lives
and
impact
people
that
I
can
impact
that
I
come
across,
but
then
yeah.
A
So
it
really
well
aligns,
I
think,
with
the
osce
goal,
to
try-
and
I
guess-
sort
of
give
people
the
civilization
and
even
oneself,
because
I
think
really
also
to
forget
about
oneself
as
well
will
be
will
be
a
problem
as
well,
because
I
think
one
also
needs
to
also
be
be
stable
enough
to
can
sustain
for
now
in
the
future
and
yeah
so,
but
looking
at
the
bigger
goal.
Yes,
yes,
definitely.
A
Well,
I
don't
know
in
terms
of
soft
skills,
I
think
I
do
have
a
because
by
nature,
I'm
a
self
self
driven
person.
You
know
I
I
don't
really
sort
of
like
to
wait
for
affirmation
or
anything
like
that.
I
normally
just
get
up
and
do
it
myself,
you
know
and
when
I
you
know,
I
I
pass
or
I
feel
that
I
think
remains
a
question,
but
then
I
I
always
get
up
and
do
it.
So
I
believe
I
can.
I,
in
terms
of
obviously
skills
are
something
that
you
you
get
along
the
way.
B
D
A
Think
technical,
practical
skills
mentioned
because
I
think
a
lot
of
what
what
a
person
got
involved
in
was
more
theoretical
stuff.
Where
you
you
deal
with
the
sciences
from
behind
the
textbook
and
the
desk,
but
then
really
getting
to
do
the
job.
You
know
all
the
work,
the
practical
stuff,
it's
it's
those
skills
that
one
needs
so
more
artisanal
kind
of
skills
and
obviously
a
yeah,
so
obviously
those
kind
of
skills
you
know
to
be
able
to
build
yeah.
I
think
those
are
really
the
the
most
because
I
mean
putting
the
puzzle
together.
A
Then
one
will
be
complete
in
terms
of
self-sustainability,
because
the
issue,
I
think
that
with
a
person
as
a
graduate
is
that
you
normally
just
have
one
skill
and
it
becomes
it
limits.
You
really
yeah.
A
B
So
oh
yeah
so
like,
for
example,
welders,
would
make
more
money
than
you
would
or
yes,.
A
Yes,
yes,
I
mean
logically
one
would
say
okay,
but
you
I
can
argue
with
because
you'd
say
no
this
and
that,
because
you
graduate
and
that,
but
in
reality
it
sort
of
makes
sense,
because
those
are
the
guys
who
do
the
actual
sort
of
work.
So
that's
why
I
think
those
skills
are
really
sort
of
a
must
for
every
person.
Who's
at
least
got
an
ambition
to
do
things
and
really
understand
them
and
lead
them.
A
A
B
Likes
because
because
you
know
that's
the
operating
system
for
linux,
right,
ubuntu,
right.
A
For
linux,
yes,
I
know
a
lot
of
the
software
guys
use
that
for
the
to
build
as
their
building
block
for
their
for.
B
D
A
B
D
A
But
I
mean
yeah,
there's
there's
quite
a
in
the
hardware
side.
I
think
there's
a
bit.
I
think
at
the
moment
is
really
osc.
That
does
that
on
the
hardware
side,
I
know
a
lot
of
software
guys
do
a
lot
of
that,
or
at
least
they
pushed
it
to
a
limit,
the
open
source
idea,
but
yeah
on
hardware.
I
think
os
is
the
only
guys
that
are
really
doing
it
at
the
moment.
D
A
Yes
and
then
just
one
question,
obviously
I
know
it's,
it's
still,
maybe
a
a
a
a
bit
of
a
longer
genuine
as
well,
but
in
terms
of
maybe
opportunities
they
do
arise.
A
Let's
say
we
get
into
machinery
and
then
there's
obviously
an
opportunity
for
commercializing
the
staff
like
tractors
and
all
those
kind
of
things
just
association
out
there,
and
how
does
now
that
sort
of
get
structured
because
I'm
sure
most
opportunities
are
there
as
well,
because
I
mean
some
people
obviously
will
still
want
to
remain,
not
necessarily
in
a
position
whereby
they
want
to
build
things,
but
they
prefer
position
whereby
they
have
tools
that
can
help
them.
You
know,
but
they.
B
Yeah
we
we
want
to
keep
things
open,
so
I
mean
there
is
no.
B
A
A
B
A
A
D
B
D
B
D
B
B
A
B
B
C
D
D
B
D
B
A
B
B
Well,
there's
not
a
lot
of
it,
not
a
lot
of
it
around.
B
Well,
a
lot
of
the
americans
get
kind
of
lazy,
and
then
you
get
you
get
people.
B
D
A
A
Now
I'm
happy,
I
think
we
spoke,
I
think,
about
with
attempts,
and
then
we
can
split
it
maybe
twice
over
in
terms
of
the
payment
and
then
I'll
just
carry
on
with
the
sourcing.
So
I
don't
know
if
you're
gonna
have
a
look
at
the
at
the
the
final
breakdown
so
but
yeah.
A
I
think
the
realistic
way
it
is,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
all
the
specifications
and
and
and
and
and
all
those
are
actually
conforming
to
what
was
initially
a
a
what
what
is
actually
the
the
natural
specification
and
then
once
I've
checked
the
specification,
then
I'll
I'll,
just
give
it
to
you
so
more
like
just
a
final
quality
check
of.
B
B
B
B
A
But
there's
a
couple
of
people
that
I
think
I
I've
seen
that
even
some
of
the
people
that
I'm
trying
to
source
from,
I
think
they're
already
running
their
3d
printer
businesses
and
stuff
like
that.
So
but
I
wasn't
sure
if
really
because
I'm
following
that,
I
haven't
really
even
familiarized
myself
with
all
the
parts,
because
I
was
just
so
slowly
focusing
on
getting
the
price
and
then
that's
what
I'm
saying
I'll
just
revisit
and
see
what
the
specification
and
the
parts
are
and
all
those
kind
of
things.
A
B
B
C
B
D
A
No,
no,
I
hate
you,
yes,
mason.
Let
me
just
try
and
see
because
I've
got
the
I'll
just
go
through
the
through
the
technical
details
and
then
I'll
just
raise
any
flag
if
there's
any
but
then
yeah
whatever
that
I've
listed,
it
seems
like
it's
so
simple
locally,
but
unless,
if
it
was
not
there
initially,
but
it
looks
like
all
the
stuff,
that's
understood
here
are
so
simple.
B
A
A
B
D
A
A
D
C
A
A
So
then
I'll
have
to
look
at
the
printed
parts
and
then
see
what
what
I
come
up
with
in
terms
of
sourcing
them,
but
where
I
I
I
don't
come
when
I,
if
I
can
come
up
with
some
of
the
parts
I'll
just
let
you
know
to
see
to
compare
like
you
said
on
your
side.
If
you
cannot
print
and
ship
them
this
side.