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B
So,
but
tell
me
more
about
your
goals
like
what
I
mean?
Would
you
be?
Are
you
interested
in
that
part
because
I'm
hearing
you
more
about
like
getting
into
production
like
say,
there's
mining,
or
maybe
the
Agricola's
like
tractors
and
other
things,
maybe
more.
The
heavy
equipment
part
that
you're
interested
in
he.
A
You
know
that
that's
true
and
I
think,
first
of
all,
congratulations
much
and
I
looked
at
your
welcoming,
pretty
impressive
and
you
know:
I
I
am
really
a
fan
before
anything.
So
in
fact,
just
looking
at
the
whole
OS
e
a
model
and
then
how
the
whole
vision
is
falling
out.
How
are
you
planning
for
the
future?
I
think
it
quite
fits
with
a
position
that
I
I
I
I
I
find
myself
sitting
in.
One
has
a
bad
bit
of
background
on
myself.
A
B
A
There
is
a
fence,
even
if
you've
got
the
know-how
of
how
to
do
fence
and
really
build
things
like
process
plants
and
all
those
kind
of
things.
The
issue
is
the
that
is
not
that
knowledge,
but
also
just
the
lack
of
knowledge
in
terms
of
having
the
capability
to
be
able
to
even
build
those
machines
or
those
units
that
you
really
need
to.
Can
you
know
a
enable
such
such
such
streams?
A
So
obviously
a
how
I
think
my
approach
I
has
been
over
the
years
was
just
to
really
be
sort
of
in
in
the
middle
of
the
whole
value
chain,
where
I
am
just
really
myself.
Also,
as
an
engineer,
I
become
somebody
who
does
more
like
package
engineering,
because
you
have
to
buy
out
a
lot
of
stuff
and
then
really
put
it
together,
for
you
know
something
feasible
that
can
work
so.
A
Hence
why
I'm
saying
I
appreciate
the
model
that
a
OSE
is
doing
and
then
I
understand
that
you
really
trying
to
take
on
a
bigger
problem
and
looking
at
the
50
construction
sets
that
you've
put
up
as
the
sort
of
the
the
fundamental
starting
point.
So
I
understand
the
model
completely
that
you
not
really
just
looking
for
set
up
for
that
it
really
printe
or
anything.
B
A
So
a
pretty
printer
for
me
as
an
individual
I,
haven't
really
been
much
more
involved
in
that,
but
there
is
nothing
the
museum
needs.
Who
can
I
my
my
knowledge
and
you
know
if
it
was
important-
it
is
very
important
so
I'll
surely
like
I
guess
a
road
will
be
a
measure
of
his
consumption
points.
Yeah.
B
A
B
A
Then,
you
know
screen
understand
it
from
your
point
of
view
that
you've
a
prototype
a
few
things,
and
at
this
point
you
are
much
more
comfortable
in
terms
of
the
3d
printing
surface,
we'll
just
RF
is
being
developed
and
with
the
ultimate
or
the
absolute,
a
whole
of
achieve
the
whole
set
ease,
so
I
I
think
I
really
comprehend
them.
Although
it's.
B
The
idea
that
we're
using
that
to
bootstrap
fun
like
basically
if
we
work
out
the
business
model
on
a
3d
printer,
the
intended
production
time,
is
like
we
spend
a
week
doing
that
production
run
shouldn't
take
more
than
a
week
in
a
month
and
that's
how
we're
designing
it
here,
just
really
optimized
and
all
the
workflow,
the
productivity
is
high.
We
can
we
know
we
can
produce
X
many
printers,
like
with
a
team
of
four
people.
B
We
can
probably
do
like
eight
printers
per
day
so
like
to
two
people,
a
two
printers
per
person
per
day.
So,
if
you
talk
about
like
say
a
quota
of
say
producing
like
twenty
printers,
you
know
that
would
be
like
five
days
with
four
people
and
that's
like
being
that's
with
four
people.
Now
you
can
get,
you
can
have
more
people
in
a
production
run
like
I,
think
optimal
number
may
be
like
12
or
24,
so
we
can
scale
that
up.
We
know
how
to
do
that.
B
We've
had
workshops
where
we
build,
like
12
printers
and
in
a
day
actually
with
12
12
participants.
So
we're
saying
that
okay,
here's
a
known
business
model.
We
know
that
3d
printing
is
hot
and
that's
it
that's
a
product
that
can
sell,
not
sure
how
well
that
works
in
South
Africa,
but
I
mean
if
you
were
to
do
it,
you'd
be
from
what
I
can
tell
the
first
3d
printer
manufacturer
in
South,
Africa
I,
don't
think
you've,
you
guys
have
any
3d
printer
manufacturers
do
not.
A
We
will
not
have
to
speed
with
that.
Obviously
there's
a
lot
of
buyouts
of
in
front
estates
I
think
they,
mostly
the
leading
manufacturers
on
that
side.
So
local
ena
I,
don't
know
if
Amy
yeah
I
know
a
few
years.
I
was
doing
a
project.
I
think
this
guys
who
came,
and
they
were
trying
to
do
some
3d
printing
into
the
mining
sphere,
whereby
they
were
actually
taking
the
actual
platinum
and
trying
to
make
jewellery
and
all
those
kind
of
things
in
in
that
aspect.
A
But
I,
don't
know
how
successful
I
didn't
really
follow
the
baby
dies
quite
well,
but
obviously,
in
terms
of
the
big
players
there
isn't
much
in
terms
of
people
who
supply
three
different
printers,
particularly
builders,
yes
yeah
sure
not
yet
yeah
I
think
the
next
sorry
muffin
Hey.
So
the
market
is
quite
day.
You
know
one
because
I
would
understand
the
the
edited
manufacturing
side
and
obviously
also
driven
with
a
lot
of
mining
as
they
when
I
am
an
Augustinian
astrocyte
in
South
Africa,
whereby
I
mean
there
is
quite
a
substance.
A
A
You
know,
as
I've
highlighted
previously
mining
a
and,
if
you
obviously
industrial
sites
like
car
manufacturers
and
all
those
that
might
need
you
know
a
bit
of
support,
and
just
generally,
you
know,
your
everyday
product
might
have
seen
what
you
do
with
the
cordless
trailers.
I
mean
I'm
sure
they
say.
There's
a
market
you've
done
the
breakdown
I've
seen
the
economics
around
it
so
which
I
think
also
a
market
like
that,
and
just
apart
from
the
sales
I
think
the
educational,
a
the
educational
side
of
things
as
well.
A
You
know
I
mean
it's
quite
something
that
you
can
really
push,
because
there's
a
lot
of
technical
and
and
sort
of
stems.
You
know
science,
technology,
engineering
and
mathematical
campaigns
that
we're
trying
to
push
a
locally
here.
You
know,
on
the
innovative
side,
obviously
trying
to
make
production
much
more
efficient,
much
more
clean,
a
much
more
greener.
Like
you
say,
let
loss
and
a
lot
less
labor
involved
and
I
can
pretty
print.
I
would
kick
most
of
those
boxes.
A
You
know
as
an
opposed
to
the
traditional
manufacturing
way
waste
of
manufacturing
as
more
parts,
particularly
small
parts,
I
mean
as
an
ethologist
myself.
I
know,
I
did
foundry.
It
was
one
of
my
majors,
you
know
and
I
just
know
how
how
complex
it
is
sometimes
to
get
things
done,
especially
what
we
used
to
do,
with
geometry
and
and
other
things
that
can
then
be
conventional
matrix
and
that
can
be
achieved
through
3d,
printing,
so
I
really
know
the
the
power
in
the
potential
in
the
in
the
in
the
in
the
technology
itself.
Me
yeah.
B
Yeah,
what's
what's
your
vision
of
what
you'd
like
to
see
like
say,
and
you
know
like
say
it,
this
is
successful.
What
would
you
like
to
see
around
you
happen
so
you're
talking
about
Rustenburg,
let's
see
mm-hmm.
So
what
would
you
like
to
see.
A
Obviously,
like
you
say,
it's
very
primitive,
you
know
the
the
background.
I
come
from
the
place,
I'm
born
Chrystia,
the
with
a
kind
of
a
sort
of
where
richness
in
the
minerals-
and
you
know
whether
its
surrounding
and
the
local
there's
always
been
a
I
I
think
a
perception
of
being
difficult
to
sort
of
achieve
things
whereby
people
have
ownership
of
their
own
sort
of
minerals
and
people
are
able
to
sort
of
liberate
themself
I,
basically
becoming
their
own
sort
of
economic
I'm.
A
So
the
thing
that
is
lacking
the
most
obvious
is
technology
and
they
and
obviously
the
building
of
the
machines.
You
know
at
a
small
scale
level
and
then
right
now,
the
we
see
a
lot
of
traditional
business
that
are
operated
by
big
capital,
keep
sort
of
big
companies
that
are
really
big
corporates
and
really
coming
getting
everything
from
from
the
the
communities
and
then
just
by
virtue
of
not
having
you
know
the
power
and
the
muscle
to
can
do
things
ourselves.
A
So
obviously
we
sitting
with
the
community
that
obviously
they
are
not
really
realizing
any
opportunities
with
what
is
surrounding
them,
and
this
constant
there's,
a
belief
of
the
mindset
is
that
you
know
you
need
to
partner
somebody
big
to
can
do
almost
anything.
You
know
and
I
I
myself
as
a
person,
who's
really
been
trying
to
collaborate
or
sorry
to
contribute
to
others.
Communities
is
that
I've
been
trying
to
look
for
ways
that
can
sort
of
be
I
can
implement
with
the
community
show
them
how
things
are
done.
A
You
know
like
we
basically
building
small
processing
plants
which
are
not
necessarily
complex
or
difficult
or
anything
new,
but
then
at
least
you
know
in
a
in
a
scalable
way
that
a
community
can
learn
how
to
build
it
scale.
It
up
to
whatever
capacities
they
wanted
to
be
be
able
to
operate
and
sort
of
see
the
profit
and
live
of
that
sort
of
thing.
So
that
has
been
my
biggest
drive
so
I
mean
I
was
looking
at
technologies.
A
Simple
technologies
like
what
they
apply
in
also
in
agriculture,
because
normally
what
we
apply
in
in
mining
would
apply
to
the
agricultural
sector
as
well,
and
racemic
is
also
an
agricultural
place,
as
well
as
the
second
economic
contributor.
So
obviously
a
lot
of
the
machineries.
That
I
was
particularly
looking
at
things
like
your
optical
sorters,
which
I
think
the
there
are
quite
basic
tools
or
equipments
that
are
found
in
the
States.
But
you
come
locally
this
site.
A
You
find
that
there's
challenges,
because
you
can't
really
access
those
things
and
then
I
have
done
a
project
myself
whereby
buddy,
although
it
was
4:00
at
night,
it
wasn't
for
myself,
Utley
or
the
community.
It
was
a
we
basically
a
built
or
designed
a
plant
with
an
XRF
sort
of
based
sorta,
whereby
they
use
the
technology
to
sort
and
sort
of
get.
The
minerals
extract
the
minerals
from
the
a
basically
separated
from
the
the
temple
that
we
don't
want.
A
You
know
to
try
great
minerals
through
sort
of
a
a
plate
or
concentrate
the
minerals,
so
I
mean
those
kind
of
technologies.
I
always
felt
like
they
are
very
simple
things
that
can
one
can
implement
and
collaboratively
working
around.
Such
technologies
can
really
achieve
a
greater
goal
because
the
application
is
not
just
in
South
Africa.
Once
a
the
we
see
success,
it's
easy
to
also
roll
it
out
to
other
areas.
A
You
know
in
Africa,
whereby
you
know
the
East
need
for
for
such
a
digitalization
tools
or
technology
or
or
robotics
or
so
similar
to
the
3d
printer,
because
things
like
rotors
and
fins
are,
you
know
within
the
VB
sort
of
the
answer.
Bigger
a
bigger
problem,
so
mine
is
really
in
a
natural
Martian
is
to
really
answer
the
bigger
the
bigger
problem
you
know
of
a
having
people
being
freed
or
being
knowing
really
how
to
sort
of
when
we're
length
a
having
answers
to
their
own
problems,
everyday
problems
that
they
will.
A
B
B
A
Well,
like
I'm
saying
you
know,
for
a
process
plant,
obviously
export
you
would
have
to
you
taking
big
Chinese
you're,
taking
big
capacities,
local
market,
you
you
take
in
small
capacities,
but
currently
now
the
matters
were
under
with.
If
you
do
something
on
your
own.
Normally
the
export
market
market
works
best
for
the
local
communities
and
then
what
they
do
is
they
do
collaborative
or
selling
of
their
product.
B
A
A
Community,
so
what
happened?
Is
that,
because
of
the
previous
historical
issues
in
South
Africa
a
while,
you
find
communities
sitting
with
a
lot
of
remnants
and
land
which
is
really
rich
in
terms
of
these
minerals.
So,
in
the
current
for
the
project
that
IIIi
was
involved
in
its
community
owned
land
and
minerals,
the.
A
No,
they,
unfortunately,
the
multinationals
like
you,
okay,
I,
don't
wanna
mention
names,
but
then
what
would
happen
is
this
with
the
big
corporate
companies
is
that
they
they
own,
a
obviously
the
bigger
part
of
the
market,
so
they
already
have
sitting
with
a
big
mining
rights
and
all
those
kind
of
things.
So
what
you
find
is
these
pockets
of
land
that
is
in
the
community.
Hands
is
not
it's
something
that
you
know
historically,
might
have
been
in
forcefully
in
in
their
own
ownerships
or
own
hands.
A
But
then,
currently,
it's
been
sort
of
the
government
has
been
trying
to
give
it
back
to
the
communities
that
right
so
people
that
are
only
in
that
land.
So
that's
how
the
people
find
themselves
with
such
fortunes
and
then,
but
in
you,
I
mean
you
talking
compared
to
the
multinationals,
the
land
that
is
in
the
community
you're
talking
a
small
proportion
as
compared
to
what
the
the
big
multinationals
would
be
only
so.
B
A
No,
no.
What
what
would
happen
is
that
the
multinationals
so
historically
a
bit
of
a
history
on
the
Mayan
side.
That
years
you
most
of
the
land
was
in
the
hands
of
I,
think
the
government
and
then
obviously
a
over
the
years.
It
went
into
private
ownership
and
then
what
had
happened
is
that
how
they,
the
the
application
for
mining
and
processing
words,
is
that
you,
you
then
approach
this
the
sort
of
the
dignitary
or
the
the
ministry.
For
that
a
particular
a
felt
of
equality.
A
And
then
what
would
happen
is
that
the
the
license
are
not
issued
on
the
feature
of
ownership
of
land.
So
you
anybody
can
apply,
and
then
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
need
to
own
the
land.
So
you
find
that
the
land
is
not
even
owned
by
the
multinationals,
but
then
they
listen
from
the
private
owners.
You
know
collectively,
and
then
they
would
just
own
what
they
call
the
mining
rights
for
that
particular
mineral
of
interest.
A
A
And
then
what
would
happen
is
that
now,
when
the
whole
restitution
take
place,
is
that
the
the
government
will
then
take
the
land
back
in
terms
of
the
land
ownership,
but
not
necessarily
the
business
rights,
but
just
in
terms
of
shift
their
the
land
ownership
back
to
the
people
that
were
native,
maybe
to
that
area.
So
I
think
it's
more
like
a
similar
story.
If
what
I
read
about
the
Las,
Vegas
I,
don't
know,
I
think
it's.
A
The
native
people
would
be
owned
in
the
land
and
then
but
then
the
multinationals
will
be
owning
the
business
rights,
but
then
it's
a
mutual
agreement,
a
very
stable
environment,
because
the
economy
and
everything
else.
It's
it's
it's
it's
it's
it's
quite
so.
The
model
works
at
this
point
in
time
because
and
then
so
yeah.
So
there
is
that
sort
of
the
arrangement
in
place
whereby
the
multinationals
work
with
the
communities
who
are
they
land
owners
or
so
the
yeah.
So
that's
how
so.
A
A
A
In
terms
of
you
know,
a
sort
of
creating
like
a
mutual,
a
sort
of
work
with
somebody
that
particularly,
is
not
just
one
person
because
I'm
trying
to
follow
the
the
idea
or
the
philosophy
that
the
goal
is
to
try
and
power
as
many
people
as
possible
with
the
the
works
that
would
normally
be
beneficial
to
one
person
if
the
information
is
not
shed
or
the
kind
of
work.
So
what
would
happen
is
that
the
lamp
that
is
owned
now
currently
that
I've
been
talking
about
so
much.
A
It's
not
even
a
my
my
my
own
sort
of
land
or
anything
like
that.
I
was
just
merely
a
part
of
a
process
to
try
and
uplift
the
community's
life,
but
I'm
in
no
way
really
for
my
long
term.
Looking
at
that
particular
community
or
anything
I
was
just
looking
at
generally
the
whole
they
the
communities
around
myself.
A
You
know,
but
in
terms
of
myself,
obviously
my
goal
was
to
obviously
try
and
have
my
own
facilities
whereby
I
sort
of
my
son-
yes,
so
just
to
have
my
own
facilities
and
really
where
I
can
do
my
own
developments.
But
then
the
target
will
be
obviously
the
communities
different
communities,
not
necessarily
one
particular
community.
A
Land
right
now,
I
was
in
the
process
of
getting
them.
I
do
have
learnt
not
that
big,
so
I.
In
fact,
just
before
the
call
I
was
tricky,
absolutely
I
mean
a
process
of
acquiring
a
piece
of
land.
A
Fact
it
will
go
in
perfectly
because
I'll
tell
you
what
has
been
happening
even
in
the
community.
You
know
as
much
as
we're
doing
processing
and
all
this
no
Kalihi
a
still
a
lot
of
that
gets
exported
and
for
one
reason,
is
that
we
we
don't
own
the
whole
value
chain
or
we
don't
locally
made
for
that's
a
finished
product
like
steel,
product
back
roads
and
your
whatever,
whatever
at
our
a
for
most
materials
like
your
stainless
steels
and
all
that.
A
A
A
To
to
a
little
jump
before
your,
so
it's
more
like
your
pre-concentration
air
levels,
I
would
say,
for
example,
the
comb,
the
current
market
and
export
you're.
Looking
at
about
we're,
putting
it
about
50%
chrome
content
to
now
I
approach,
whereby
we
don't
really
do
a
lot
of
finished
technology
and
so
you've
got
furnaces,
is
as
one
of
your
your
your
targets
as
well,
so
we
don't
really
have
a
lot
of
furnaces,
for
example,
to
obviously
take
it
further
to
the
final
sort
of
a
product
or
design
finishes
work.
A
Yes,
I'm
saying
we
know
we
normally
concentrate
up
to
a
stage,
for
example
in
your
in
your
process.
A
flow
diagram
would
normally
do
it
to
just
before
you
put
it
in
a
furnace,
so
there
isn't
a
lot
of
fineness
years.
So
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
famous
furnaces
that
are
in
small-scale
a
sort
of
a
that
would
be
also
the
needs,
because
I
mean
you
wanna
do
a
we.
Yes,.
A
B
B
A
Yeah
up
to
a
point:
okay,
III,
I'm
SLI.
In
fact,
myself
I've
sold
I
built
a
plant
and
then
reselling
the
minnows,
but
how
it
normally
were
to
me
I.
Nobody
did
never
get
to
the
point
of
export
in
and
and
how
it
gets
taken
out
of
the
country.
So
I
normally
end
at
the
hose.
We
normally
we
you
so
set
it
on
nfo,
be
sort
of
basis
whereby
the
seller
will
just
come
and
buy
it
as
we
take
it
off
the
plant.
So
I
haven't
really
been
explored
that
market,
but
it's
not
something
difficult.
A
I
cannot
show
you
I'm
sure
it's
easy
to
to
can
ship
it
by
the
way
I've
got
a
family
member.
That
side
who
lives
outside
I
think
he's
in
the
state
of
New
York.
So
it's
a
cousin
of
mine,
so
I
think
he
does.
A
lot
of
exporting
I
can
always
find
out
from
him
how
difficult
it
is
to,
but
to
organize
it.
Local
is
not
a
big
problem.
The
issue
is
just
on
the
export
side.
I,
don't
know
how
he
just
some.
B
A
Here's
we
we
we
do,
we
normally
the
crampo2,
they
expect
what
they
call
a
met,
spec
and
or
we
can
sometimes
methodological
specification-
is
they
which
is
about
forty
to
forty
four
percent
of
chrome?
Add
content
with
less
than
I
think
about
sixty
I
thinks
about
2
percent
or
3
percent
silica
inside
so
we
cause,
we
normally
put
it
through
a
spiral
wash.
So
we
don't
really
do
much
upgrade
like
I,
say
so.
Obviously,
the
next
step
from
there
it's
perfect
fit
for
a
finance.
A
For
example,
you
put
it
directly
into
a
furnace
and
then
depending
what
you
want
to
do.
If
you
want
to
make
a
low
as
Ferro
alloys
I,
don't
know
what
would
be
the
next
step
that
you
want
to
sort
of
pestle
but
yeah,
so
we
normally
take
it
up
to
the
methodological
specification
which
is
about
40
40
40,
44
%.
A
We
can
take
it
further,
but
it's
just
that
it's
much
more
economical
for
a
small
scale
to
take
you
to
that
point,
because,
obviously,
if
you
want
to
take
it
further
now,
for
example,
200
great
you'd
have
to
do
much
more
work.
You
know
add
a
few
stages
of
spiral,
a
concentration
and
illustrators
and
all
those
kind
of
things
so
just
to
avoid
a
big
plant
or
massive
plant,
and
we
we
normally
carry
that
about
the
entry
level,
which
is
the
methodological
grade
level
yeah.
B
A
B
B
A
B
B
B
Our
economy
really
sucks
at
it.
So
so
you
gotta
fix
that
fix
that
push.
You
know,
and
this
will
be
part
of
it
so
so
to
get
like
at
first.
Let's
just
get
get
get
some
basics
and
what
that
would
look
like,
is
it
actually
feasible
for
us
to
run
some
experiments
actually
smelting
and
smelting
this
stuff,
induction
furnace
or
electric
ease
or
arc
reduction
processes
like
we?
We
do
think
about
things
like
okay.
If
you've
got
silicon,
then
you
reduce
it
through
an
arc
to
make
yield
so
can
dioxide.
So
so
silicon
metal.
A
B
B
A
I
think
to
get
that
because
we
normally
use
a
and
f
f,
OB
I
think
the
autonomous
going
for
it's
a
little
bit
lower
now,
because
I
guess
the
demand
isn't
that
much,
but
then
obviously
on
normal
items,
you're
looking
at
about
a
thousand
grand
which
is
about
what
I
think
it's
a
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
really
I!
Think
it's
about
eighty
dollars
per
ton!
That's
the
round,
a
roundabout!
The
me
just
make
sure
that
right,
I
get.
A
So
it's
about
60
was
about
a
thousand
20s
with
about
66
talents,
the
time
of
the
phony
focus
and
chrome.
So
it's
not
a
so
that's
yeah,
so
I
mean
you
can
get
it
depending
one
day
at
the
time
a
you
can
even
get
it
lower
than
that.
Sometimes
you
can't
even
pay
less
than
that.
So
if
I'm
saying
to
ship,
obviously
a
true
estate,
the
containers
not
I,
don't
think
it's
even
a
difficult
process
that
one
I
think
I
can
it's
something
that
I
can
manage,
but
ongoing,
obviously
for
sustainability?
A
Yes,
so
the
answer
would
be.
It
was
like
you
saying:
I
mean
I,
think
I
looked
at
the
model
that
you
went
I
think
were
you
explaining
how
the
developing
countries,
and
then
with
the
current
economics
and
how
a
developing
countries
and
the
developed
countries
like
the
states
and
South
Africa,
which
is
a
time
in
the
developing
and
the
u.s.,
probably
been
the
most
developed
country
where
by
you
explain
in
the
secondary
and
the
primary
a
sort
of
motifs
of
the
economy,
so
I
think
South
Africa.
A
We
find
ourself
as
a
development
country
pretty
much
as
the
primitive
end
of
things
whereby,
even
if
we
have
there's
little
technology
and
less
more
then
much
more
labor
intense
stuff,
because
things
are
a
little
bit
more
behind
yes,
we'll
compared
to
the
to
the
big
developed
countries.
Leather
use
us
whereby
you
guys
will
probably
be
having
technology
and
all
the
right
stuff
in
that
place.
So
so
it
sort
of
completes
the
model
and
what
will
lead?
A
This
side
is
more
what
you
guys
would
have,
and
then
what
you
guys
would
need
is
what
you
guys.
What
would
have
this
side?
So
that's
why
I
think
it
makes
sense
in
a
collaborative
way
to
can
have
some
some
sort
of
way
also
to
work
around
those
things
because
to
complete
a
a
flow
sheet
for
assets.
It's
much
more
difficult
because
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
to
have
specify
that
on
the
technology
side,
to
you,
it's
a
little
bit
behind,
but
yeah.
A
B
A
A
A
B
A
B
B
A
B
A
B
B
A
B
A
Course,
yeast
there's
a
lot
of
we've
got
hematite
we've
got
given
the
yeah,
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
vinyl.
In
fact,
it's
more
abundant
even
than
the
chromite
it's
wrong
idea.
So
I
think
we
we
pretty
blessed
in
terms
of
the
minerals,
so
the
normal
occurrence
would
be
obviously
interested
back.
You
have
your
vanadium,
a
the
titanium
and
there's
a
lot
of
the
big
other
base.
Metals
like
nickel,
a
copper
and
your
cobalt,
which
I'm
also
seated
with
the
pgms.
A
It
was
platinum,
it's
much
more
intensively
involved
to
sort
of
extract,
I,
guess
with
the
current
flow
sheet
and
then
obvious
the
this
one
area
that
I've
also
been
trying
to
also
explore
a
bit
in
terms
of
simplifying
they,
the
flow
sheets
that
we
currently
use
it,
because
really
the
current
flow
sheet
is
quite
complex,
I'm
sure
you'd
be
very
familiar
in
terms
of
the
platinum
extraction.
It's
a
little
bit
more
involved
and
you
know
on
the
energy
side
and
for
small-scale.
A
Sometimes
it
becomes
a
little
bit
of
a,
but
if
you
we've
got
the
energy
and
the
technology
I
mean
those
are
some
other
things
that
are
also
sort
of
locally
is
elite
to
sort
of
fine,
not
that
easy.
But
then
obviously
we
can
also
source
those
and
then
I
know,
there's
a
lot
so
much
that
I
think
even
we
we
we
even
the
big
boys,
have
got
their
own
shape
and
then
there's
still
a
lot
that
is
still
up
in
the
hands
of
the
communities
and
the
local
people.
So
the
Earth's
armature
I.
B
A
B
A
B
What
are
the
politics
around?
That
is
that
I
mean?
Can
you
talk
to
the
politics
around
that
with
your
national
policies?
You
guys
love
that
know
that
you
guys
are
like
yeah
yeah
guys
just
have
it
extract
all
our
wealth,
it's
good
for
the
economy.
Now,
what
do
they
say
about
it?
Is
it?
Is
there
any
controversy
around
it
or
a.
A
A
Fortunately,
in
my
case,
I'm
somebody
who's
been
consulting.
In
fact,
in
that
sphere,
you
know
in
terms
of
organizing
main
travel
rights
for
small
people,
hey
I
mean
I,
mean
beginning
for
communities
and
all
those
kind
of
them
so
I'm
quite
familiar
with
that
process.
Of
course
it
is,
there
is
a
bit
of
politics
involved
as
normal
because
of
the
way
the
economy
works,
because
obviously
the
big
was
are
trying
to
put
the
red
tape
in
everything
that
you
know
the
communities
get
not
much,
but
then
there
is
a
way
of
working
around
it.
A
Particularly
one
thing
of
interest
would
be
things
like
a
DVD.
The
recycling
as
well
I
mean
there's
been
a
lot
of
people
who
are
trying
and
their
backyards
a
lot
of
recycling.
So
I
know
of
small
guys
that
are
successful
at
the
back
of
trying
to
do
their
own
thing
without
really
following
they,
they
the
traditional
roots,
but
it
is
possible
to
do
two,
can
do
a
complete
extraction,
there's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
resistance,
but
it
can
be
over
count
without
really
much
challenge.
A
All
you,
because
they
thing
is
that
the
government
has
gotta
buy
in
so
they've
got
certain
schemes
that
they've
said
because
I
mean
they.
They
also
targeting
a
small
guys
and
communities
particularly
and
to
also
try
and
do
things
on
their
own.
So
the
even
set
up
I
think
there's
a
Department
of
Trade
and
Industry,
which
is
particularly
set
up
to,
can
try
and
help
people
with
such
initiatives
whereby
we
can
see
the
communities
or
individual
people
owning
their
own
sort
of
facilities.
In
fact,
because.
A
Not
at
the
national
level,
that's
at
the
national
level,
so
they've
got
be
I
think
you
can
ever
look
at
it.
They
what
it
is
called
the
DTI
is
that
it's
a
the
National
Department
of
Trade
and
Industry,
whereby
they
really
support
the
small
industrialists
and
people
who
are
really
trying
to
take
initiatives.
I
mean
I,
am
a
member
of
that
I've
been
just
I,
haven't
really
been,
have
been
a
bit
dormant
over
the
years,
but
then
yeah
I
used
to
be
fair.
Okay,.
A
But
if
you
want
to
see
things
through
a
the
mentality
that
you
have
talked
of,
you
really
have
to
be
resilient
and
biy
kind
of
a
person.
You
know
so.
Hence
why
I
said
you
know
for
myself,
if
I
think
of
anything
I'll
rather
comfortably
to
see
through
a
rather
trying
sauce
from
myself-
or
you
know
the
my
close
contacts
and
not
necessarily
pursue
the
government
route,
because
it's
it's
a
little
bit
more
challenging
so
yeah
yeah
the.
B
A
Because
it's
not
long
I
I
think
I
was
working
for
about
not
until
the
last
three
years
and
then
I
think
the
company
is
about
two
and
half
years
old.
It's
not
that
long,
they're
aspirant
being
my
own
man,
but
then
obviously
a
lot
of
support
I've
been
getting
particularly
from
the
same
company,
the
inner
American.
Those
are
the
days
that
have
been
really
supportive
of
our
company,
so
obviously
that
the
work
that
we
do
is
quite
decent
work
for
them,
and
then
they
were
hit
really
with
what
they
are
getting
in
terms
of
our.
A
So
they
keep
us
sort
of
in
business
but
then
yeah.
So
that's
what
I
do
at
the
moment.
So,
but
really
that's
not
even
my
vision,
because
I
think
it
was
just
the
method
of
really
trying
to
sort
of
have
a
making
it
out
on
my
own
cause.
I
was
first
trying
after
things
just
to
not
be
so
that
I
can
be
kinetically,
stable
and
then
obviously,
but
in
terms
of
sustainability.
A
I,
don't
really
think
consulting
it's
the
most
sustainable
business,
because
also
it
doesn't
also
line
up
with
my
sort
of
visions
for
for
from
now
and
obviously
in
the
longer
future,
but
yeah
the
moment.
I
do.
But
then
my
strong
has
interest.
Obviously
it's
it's.
It
simulates
ownership.
You
know
power
in
my
own
hands,
you
know
our
people
sense
and
everybody
else.
Genomic.
A
100%
is
my
son?
Yes,
so
because
ease
I
mean
I
think
it's
due
time,
if
not
the
best
time
to
do
it
now,
you
know
I
mean
as
I'm
sitting
with
a
lot
of
information
use
it.
We
met
a
lot
of
information.
I
mean
I,
followed
you
around
quite
well
and
then
I,
you
know
just
to
try
and
a
I
think
coming
together
will
really
answer
the
bigger
problem.
Like
you
put
it,
you
know
to
try
and
solve
the
biggest
problems
you
know
and
with
simple
solutions,
without
necessarily
reinventing
anything.
A
Iii
looked
at
the
attractor
funny
enough,
because
I
was
in
a
position
when
I
I
did
the
small
plan
that
I
was
talking
about.
I
mean
I
struggled
for
four
years
to
even
think
to
can
buy
a
front-end
loader,
believe
it
or
not
so
just
blown
away.
When
I
saw
your
tractor
online,
the
first
life
Jack
and
following
up
to
day
the
last
version,
six
and
I
was
amazed.
A
I
said
I
just
didn't
believe
how
how
how
you
made
it
look
easy,
but
yeah
I
mean
it
was
the
power
of
you
know
something:
that's
people
I
had
work
and
really
collaboratively,
and
you
can
do
that
in
seven
days.
I
struggled
for
two
years
to
try
and
raise
the
funds
just
to
buy
a
second
hand,
a
front-end,
loader
Wow.
B
You
think
about
it.
That's
really
insane
you
I
didn't
really
think
about
it.
Just
occurred
to
me
the
other
day.
It's
like,
because
someone
asked
me
well,
can
I
see
all
your
machines
here
and
it's
like
it's
be
amazing.
I
said
well.
We
don't
really
have
anything
here,
because
you
know
once
we
build
something
we
kind
of
like
take
it
apart
and
use
it
for
other
things,
so
we're
still
prototyping,
but
that's
it.
That's
a
good
point.
A
Really
it's
mind
blowing
at
the
same
time,
humbling
yeah,
because
I
mean
that's
my
approach,
because
I
I
look
I
haven't
really
done
a
lot
on
my
own,
but
then
obviously
the
ideas
are
there
and
then
obviously
the
vision
is
there
so
I
mean
seeing
what
you're
doing
and
then
I
I
think
it
can
play
the
compliment.
That's
very
well
because
yeah
also
what
he
trying
to
to
get
things
differently.
B
A
B
A
The
power
cube,
yeah
yeah
the
end.
Yes,
yes
and
the
modular
concept
I
mean
to
be
able
to
scale
up
anyhow.
There's
no
limitation,
I
mean
I,
asked
how
you
went
from
a
smaller,
still
scarce
casket,
and
then
you
can
actually
modular
rise
it
to
become
this
big.
Those
are
or
one
of
those
huge
equipment
and
I
really
follow
the
day.
I
think
the
first
principles
of
are
you
you
really
trying
to
achieve
that:
the
scalability
and
yeah
they
sort
of
the
design
or
life
and
the
efficiencies
and
all
those
kind
of
things.
A
B
B
Very
few
people
know
it's
some
people
who
are
maybe
the
people
that
do
know
it
are
the
very
mechanical
people
who
are
just
kind
of
the
dirty
just
people,
but
maybe
they
need
a
lot
of
the
people.
You
don't
have
the
vision
that
oh
well.
This
could
actually
change
the
world.
You
know,
so
it
takes
the
combination
of
those
two
sides.
Yes,
so
yes,
what
so?
What's
your
thoughts
on
the
immersion
in
terms
of?
Are
you
interested
in
starting
a
formal
ose
chapter,
a.
B
A
A
Okay,
all
right
so
I
just
wanted
to
particularly
I.
Looked
at
that
program.
Okay,
the
biggest
question
that
I
wanted
to
know
in
terms
of
one
taking
up
a
program,
vectors,
there's
a
one-year
option
and
as
the
Trier's
option
and
yes,
then
one
would
be
for
me
fast-tracking
and
then
other
one
would
be
much
more
forgiving
in
terms
of
time.
So
but
my
biggest
question
is
that
a
what
are
they?
What
is
the
real
output?
A
Is
it
a
so
if
you
micro-enterprise
the
OSC
and
then
you,
obviously,
by
that
time,
you'll
be
limit
enough
for
literate
enough
with
the
whole
principle,
the
whole
business
vision
and
all
that
and
in
terms
of
the
one
on
on
one
side,
how
how
you
is
the
aim
to
to
do
like
a
universe,
because
I
saw
you,
you
explain
the
model
that
it's
non-existent
at
the
moment.
What
you're
really
trying
to
achieve
is
a
combination
of
industrial
and
like
an
industrial
side.
A
B
Explain
what
the
thing
is
so
chapters,
so
you
got
a
our
model
of
change
is
muskrat
funding.
We
don't
want
to
bother,
certainly
rely
on
any
grants
because
or
foundations
or
because
they
can't
really
see
this
at
this
time.
Now
he's
the
model
there
is,
we
start
with
a
chapter
that
does
a
proven
business
model.
That's
collaborative,
we
always
collaborate
on
the
product.
We
make
it
better
and
so.
A
B
B
A
chapter
is,
you
requires
a
small
micro
factory.
If
you
talk
about
Hampus
you're
talking
about
a
land-based
facility,
that's
the
evolution
of
that.
So
it's
a
facility
that
offers
the
education
it's
like
a
university.
It's
not
housing.
It's
got
production,
it's
got
real
living.
So
it's
a
it's
a
residential
facility
like
a
university
campus,
but.
B
On
the
further
mission,
once
you
get
on
board
as
a
stable
chapter,
you've
got
an
economic
base.
Then
you
can
talk
about
expanding
your
programs
to
what
we
have
here.
We
have
the
minimal
here.
We've
got
some
housing
here.
We've
got
the
the
micro
factory,
we've
got
agriculture
and
just
an
integrated
facility
that
the
model
is
we're
saying:
okay,
we're
gonna,
create
units
of
societal
organization
that
are
like
I
mean
what
you
talk
about:
the
freedom
or
liberation
of
people.
B
These
are
units
of
points
of
light
that
show
that
you
can
live
peacefully
with
the
environment
and
with
the
rest
of
the
world
with
global
collaboration.
So
so
it's
a
facility,
that's
a
real
working.
It's
a
mash-up
of
the
University
and
eco
industrial
park,
a
farm,
a
business
incubator
and
all
of
that
in
one
it
also
does
land
stewardship.
B
So
part
of
our
work
is
we
want
to
reform
agriculture
to
to
a
more
perennial
based
form
of
Agriculture,
so
we've
got
some
experiments
and
plant
breeding
here
as
well
that,
but
it's
basically
your
village,
your
global
village.
So
that's
like,
if
you're
interested
in
that.
That's
not
where
we're
talking
about
here,
but
if
you
start
a
chapter,
we
have
a
growth
path
that
that's
your
first
step
start
a
chapter.
You
know.
The
first
thing
you
need
to
learn
is
how
to
produce
things
and
how
to
collaborate,
so
collaboration
and
production
ye.
B
On
to
expanding
the
programs
running
programs
like
immersion
trainings,
like
the
summer
of
extreme
design-build,
which
was
cancelled
this
year
and
program,
doing
more
more
things
in
on
a
land
based
facility.
Where,
then,
you
can
be
talking
things
about
like
ok,
how
do
we
develop
enterprises
around
agriculture,
like
aquaponic
greenhouses
or
community,
supported
agriculture
operations?
So
it's
a--,
it's
basically
your
civilization
in
a
small-scale
operation,
mm-hmm
yeah!
That's
that's
the
growth
track
where
our
goal
is
to
develop
technology,
because
we've
got
we're
like
thirty
percent
done
with
all
the
stuff.
B
Ok,
if
you
see
the
status
of
completion
on
the
wiki
yeah
until
2028
is
our
cutoff
for
ok,
whatever
technology
we
have
by
that
time,
we're
gonna
run
with
it
and
run
with
it
into
the
next
phase,
which
is
now
focusing
on
building
the
the
osc
campuses
worldwide
and
as
we
go
to
that,
I
would
like
to
create
as
many
chapters
as
possible
that
becomes.
This
become
the
seeds
of
the
campuses
later
on,
because
we
have
to
on
board
people
like
we
don't
just
start
a
campus
out
of
nowhere.
B
A
B
B
Once
again,
you
heard
me
saying
my
TED
talk.
That
is
only
the
beginning.
So
now
we've
got
the
chapters,
so
the
OSE
camp
is
like
the
chapter
we
talk
about
right
now.
Is
your
region,
your
region
for
rustenberg,
let's
say
the
advancement
track
if
you're,
if
you
grow
with
oh
I,
see
that
would
be
to
make
a
national
chapter
like
that
will
be
then
for
South
Africa.
Yes,
that
could
be.
You
could
be
someone
else
in
South
Africa,
but
it's
open
collaboration.
So
we
could.
B
A
B
A
Make
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
yeah,
so
it's
quite
big
honestly,
because
I
think
we've
got
SEC
as
one
may
be.
What
you
call
the
special
economic
zones
and
I
think
look
a
bought
assets.
You
see
them
if
you
want
to
see
them,
but
I
guess
in
business,
it's
you
have
to
globalize
things
and
you
really
kind
of
have
to
think
not
at
a
local
level.
A
You
have
to
start
thinking
things
at
a
much
bigger
big
endeavor,
of
course,
like
anything
else,
I
appreciate
that
you,
but
you
have
to
start
with
a
you
know,
obviously
the
smaller
steps
and
obviously,
and
then
they,
the
one
part
that
I
also
appreciate,
is
that
I
understand
that
you
trying
to
do
this
as
disruptive
and
as
rapid
as
possible,
so
like,
for
example,
when
you're
running
the
the
production
you
want
it
to
be
a
day
which
I
really
appreciate
and
I.
Think
it's
all
yes.
A
So
then
I
have
me
so
that
that's
my
life
as
well,
but
then
the
next
question
that
I
would
have
obviously
would
be
around
the
their
payments.
I
mean
it's
the
it
stated
quite
clearly
in
terms
of
capital
wise.
What
was
I
think
it
was
about
10k,
a
ten
thousand
US
dollars
in
I.
Think
twenty
twenty
thousand
US
dollars
on
in
for
therefore
the
whole
in
30.
But
then
I
wanted.
A
A
so
one
is
were
a
factory
this
running
history,
this
capital,
so
what
happens
is
the
tuition
will
be
like
on
a
weekly
basis,
a
whereby
I
saw
the
program,
obviously
for
the
whole
breakdown
today
from
the
different
courses,
our
training
that
one
after
go
through,
then
that
has
to
be
spread
a
around.
Obviously,
so
the
three
years
would
break
that
will
make
the
time
I
guess
much
lesser
than
what
would
be
required
in
a
one.
Yes
and
the.
A
Asking
about
particularly
about
time
I
want
to
give
my
time
for
this,
but
my
my
biggest
challenge
is
that
I,
myself
personally
I'm
also
running
an
offense
and
then
I
didn't
want
to,
because
it's
more
like
an
income
for
now
on
my
side,
I,
don't
have
to
know.
Does
it
mean
now
I
have
to
be
solely
into
this
on
a
full-time
basis,
or
is
it
okay
if
I
assemble
my
own,
which
can,
if
I'm
not
available
or
you
know,
maybe
attend
a
certain
classes
or
modules
or
dues
attend
to
certain
things,
particularly
on
the
program?
B
Much
time
we
have
available
to
to
commit
to
the
program
right
now
like
because
the
way
we
conceptualizing
it
we're
saying
like
not
a
lot
of
people
are
gonna
have
like.
Oh
yeah
drop
everything,
and
you
can
do
this
for
a
year
of
time.
People
typically
have
their
things,
so
I
was
thinking
that
okay,
two
years
you
can
take,
is
basically
50%
of
the
time.
So
essentially
like
a
minimum
of
like
20
hours
per
week
that
you're
doing
this,
you
have
to
learn
all
the
skills
you've
got
to
learn
the
production,
you're
gonna
learn.
B
So
you
have
to
be
able
to
grasp
the
concept.
So,
okay,
one
is
the
technical
skills
which
is
okay,
here's
how
we
produce
effectively,
but
the
picture
is
much
bigger.
The
bigger
part
of
that
is:
how
do
you
collaborate
effectively
with
others,
because
to
achieve
the
goals
we
wants
to
do
like
you
said
it's
about
joining
with
people
like
yourself
with
people
who
are
collaborating
all
with
each
other,
but
that's
a
skill
set.
What
tools
do
you
use?
How
do
you
do
it?
A
B
Kind
of
a
sprint
or
design
or
build
event
that
there's
a
whole
social
technology
around
that
that
to
learn.
So
that's
why
we
want.
Ideally,
that
would
be
you,
but
if
you
want
to
have
a
team,
yeah
I
mean
that's,
you've
got
to
have
a
team
right,
so
I
think
that
it
would
be
good
that,
if
you
were
to
show
up
your
team
could
show
up
with
you
right.
I
think
it
would
be
good
that
you,
you
kind
of
I,
mean
someone's
kind
of
got
a
hold
the
ultimate
responsibility
for
that.
You
know,
especially.
A
B
A
Geez
I
I
wanna:
do
it
myself,
I
wanna,
do
it
all
hour
an
hour
and
then
everything
I'm,
I'm,
keen
I'm
in
a
myself
100%,
not
even
25%
of
it,
but
then
I'm.
Just
thinking
about
I
just
wanted
to
understand.
The
whole
philosophy
of
inter
is
sort
of
passing
it
on
to
really
the
other
people,
because
it
will
be
myself
my
face
and
everything,
but
obviously
just
in
the
background
in
me
they
should
be
other
people
that
are
my
support.
A
Sort
of
that
needs
to
be
also
involved
in
sort
of
a
up
to
speed
or
up
to
date
with
what
we're
trying
to
sort
of
achieve
ye.
So,
like
I
said
my
my
thinking
was
that
or
my
understanding
was
that
I'm
going
to
set
up,
obviously
a
trend
set
of
people
that
are
also
like-minded,
that
always
always
going
to
be
also
involved
in
to
the
some
way
directly
or
indirectly.
You
know
so
I
just
wanted
to
see
how
they
are
able
to
understand
how
do
I
fit
everybody
into
the
picture
so
about
I.
A
Think
it's
kind
of
clear
I
think
it's
okay,
I
think
how
you've
broken
it
down.
You
know,
obviously,
with
a
two-year
program:
I
looked
at
it.
For
me,
it
looked
like
something
that
I
can
work
with.
Definitely
even
though
one
year,
but
then
I
just
didn't
want
to
be
a
probably
because
there's
a
bit
of
transition,
because
I'm
also
sort
of
at
the
forefront
of
the
business,
the
consulting
business.
A
You
know
and
there's
about
six
engineers
or
so
that
me
that
I
thought
I
under
meet,
and
it's
quite
also
a
bit
of
a
responsibility
that
I
have
on
the
other
side.
So,
but
not
that
being
any
issue,
that's
something
that
can
stop
me
from
being
really
involved
myself,
but
they
add
this
this
that
you
could
anticipate
that
you
know
I
might
not
be
up
to
so
so
at
least,
but
I
saw
you
said
somewhere
that
it
needs
to
be
two
people
that
are
also
in
front
if
I
understood
it
very
well,.
A
B
B
A
B
B
A
A
Maybe
the
one
year
program
yeah
just
work
like
this,
come
to
this,
because
it's
all
about
traction,
I,
guess
so,
once
you
catch
on
to
the
end
to
their
movement,
nice
and
oh
now
mean
Yi's,
so
I
think
for
now
just
to
to
get
the
intro
and
things
right
it
just
to
get
into
the
into
the
movement.
Type
of
dance,
Allah
be
safe
and
do
that
two
year
and
then
obviously
move
on
to
the
to
the
accelerated
program
may
be
okay
once
off.
So
the.
B
A
Yes,
because
you're
also
trying
to
pass
in
front
also,
normally
you
know
to
others.
You
also
trying
to
spark
the
mind
of
others,
and
you
know
because
I
mean
in
my
team,
there
are
people
that
I
also
might
be
a
bit
more
creative
than
myself
and
then,
but
obviously
with
you
know,
a
combination.
We
realized
that
we
can
do
a
lot
and
much
more
and
then
what
one
person
would
do.
A
I
didn't
want
to
limit
everything
to
myself.
You
know
that
my
capabilities
limits
everything
so
that
we
can
have
much
more
creative
juices
and
people
that
guy
I
mean
there's
guys
who
are
like
natural
engineers
in
our
team,
there's
guys
who
are
like
electrical
engineers
other
process
engineers
and
they
like.
Although
I
know
it's
it's
it's
it's
not
really
a
the
the
undergrad
degree
behind
it.
A
The
whole
thing
is
about
really
the
creativity,
the
spirit
how
you
mindset
and
although
but
I
mean
the
skill
sets
I
looked
at
the
requisite
skill
sets
or
what
one
will
will
learn
out
of
it.
You
know
things
like
using
ket
being
able
to
design
such
things.
I've
got
girls
who
are
much
more.
Also
quicker
in
terms
of
doing
designs
a
it
might
not
necessarily
be
on
freak
out
or
anything,
but
I
mean
distance,
are
interchangeable
and
much
more
similar
in
terms
of
principles.
B
Just
one
thing:
I
must
emphasize
to
make
clear
here's
an
idea
of
toolchain
uniformity.
Yes,
we
call
that
tool
change
the
generous
e,
but
just
to
be
clear,
you
will
have
to
do
freecad
because
so
yes,
the
skills
might
be,
they
might
be
able
to
learn
it
faster,
but
also
they
might
be
able
to
learn
it
slower
if
they
are.
A
B
Are
not
willing
to
have
an
open
mind,
I've
seen
people
who
know
other
software
and
they're
like
oh,
this
is
different.
I'm,
not
gonna,
learn
it
because
they
don't
like
it
they're
already
used
to
one
way
of
doing
it.
But
the
point
is
in
order
for
the
global
collaboration
to
happen.
Everyone
has
to
be
able
to
use
the
same
tools.
Otherwise
you
always
are
fighting
the
little
differences
and
inconsistencies.
B
So
we
all
use
the
same
operating
system
and
the
same
tools,
because
the
only
way
like
if
you're
gonna
run
your
printer.
That
printer
has
to
be
the
same
as
my
printer.
If
we're
gonna
be
able
to
collaborate
fully
on
quality
control,
everything
else,
the
distributed
quality
control
requires
a
uniform
toolset
both
in
the
software
and
the
hardware
so
and
that's
very
powerful,
because
once
you
have
a
standard
set
that
can
expand
worldwide
in
a
rapid
way.
B
But
if
you're,
all,
if
you
got
like
a
hundred
different
machines,
it's
like
one
breaks
and
you
don't
have
the
parts
and
you
don't
know
what
to
do
it
might
not.
If
it's
not
open
source,
you
wouldn't
even
be
able
to
get
the
parts
necessary,
so
everyone
is
open-source
same
tool
chain
for
uniformity
of
the
result.
Does
that
make
sense
for
quality
control
purposes?.
A
100%,
yes,
I
I,
think
I
fully
understand
the
protocol.
I
know
the
the
responsibility.
I
know,
I'm
even
I
think
I
went
even
through
the
specification
and
I
would
understand
really
why
you're
trying
to
do
that
as
someone
who's
quite
involved
in
also
a
lot
of
quality
assurance
and
quality
control
stuff.
So.
B
A
Yes,
we
do,
it,
I
mean
once
we,
because
we
do
designs,
hey
what
we
do.
We
consult
and
not
just
consult,
but
we
also
design
plans,
say
or
improve
or
do
optimization
kind
of
projects
and
yeah.
Obviously
a
I
mean
the
for
one
to
mark
something
successfully.
There
has
to
be
a
control,
a
sort
of
quality
control
systems
in
place,
so
I
do
a
lot
of
quality
stuff.
You
so
I
understand
the
uniformity,
quite
quite
perfectly
because
yeah,
it's
one
something
Universal
we're
not
trying
to
come
up
with
our
own
creative
ways.
B
B
Okay,
excellent
and
then
then
is
the
next
point
so
tuition
we
covered
year
now,
okay,
as
far
as
the
materials.
Actually,
what
we
can
do
is
put
that
on
your
side.
You
don't
have
to
pay
us
that
and
I
say
that,
because
okay,
alright
I
looked
at
shipping
and
firm
us
to
ship
stuff
over
to
you,
like
I,
just
looked
at
like
20
pounds,
it's
like
five
hundred
dollars.
That
would
be.
B
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
B
A
What
they,
the
phenols,
will
be
quickly
just
on
the
recycling
on
V.
So
is
it
purely
when
to
be
recycled
for
the
peoples
of
the
of
the
printing,
so
you
can
sauce
so
to
make
it
source
of
a
low
candy.
Yes,
so
user
really
recycle
the
okay?
Okay,
but
then
yes,
but
in
terms
of
them
the
quality
specification.
Let's
say
you
doing
like
your
your
Cuadrilla,
obviously
there's
various
materials
and
obviously
the
recycling
has
to
also
be
quality
control
right
to
get
obviously
the
correct
compositions
and
all
that
material
chemistry.
B
A
B
A
A
Interesting
and
then
my
next
question
just
one
that
I
just
also
just
wanted
to
see
if
I
can
read
up
on
it
and
a
bit
of
ways
in
which
one
can
look
at
the
recycling
process.
But
then
what
I
wanted
to
know
a
because
now,
with
the
control
that
you've
got
in
place,
we
pur
Li
just
going
to
start
with
the
cordless
drill.
A
so
if
I'm
not
mistaken.
Well,.
B
A
I
see
yes,
no
definitely
a
I'm
sure
like
this
right,
I
mean
the
it's
definitely
gonna
work,
so
obviously
that's
gonna
be
have
to
be
an
input
in
terms
of
sales
marketing.
I
one
thing
I'm
sure
a
I
mean
the
biggest
revenue
will
be
from
the
educational
side,
and
then
you
also
have
that
industrial
support
that
you
could
have,
but
then,
on
the
educational
side,
I'm
sure
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
buy-in,
definitely
so
yeah,
but
always
the
yeah.
A
They
are
that
that
you
say
I
think
much
and
they,
the
idea
is
also
to
explore
a
few
things
as
well.
One
would
also,
once
his
on
board,
be
able
to
solve.
Also
start
thinking
about
other
ways
of
trying
to
maybe
also
advise
you
in
terms
of
what
I
might
think
would
be
things
maybe
to
consider
as
well
yeah.
B
A
B
Right
now
we
know
that
running
the
education,
immersion,
build
workshops
and
selling
printers.
That's
that's
capable
of
sustaining
us
right.
Yes,
that's
why
we're
saying?
Okay,
let's
try
that
as
step
number
one
for
a
South
Africa.
If
we
find
we
need
to
pivot
to
some
other
things,
I
mean
there's
the
whole
realm
of
okay.
Now
you've
got
the
3d
printers.
What
about
making
parts?
How
soon
can
we
get
that
cordless
drill
as
a
product
or
a
3d
printed,
electric
motor
or
just
plumbing
fittings
or.
A
B
B
A
True,
yes,
because
I
know
they
another
guys.
What
would
they
would
do?
Would
we
obviously
get
a
lot
of
these
things?
I
guess
from
cuz,
I
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
you
see
online
when
you
see
Google
3d
printers,
but
then
it
depends
on
their
support
and
all
those
kind
of
thing,
because
sometimes
you
you
just
get
something
online
and
you
just
build
it
at
the
back
of
your
house.
A
B
A
That's
what
I'm
saying
yes,
then
you
keep
on
buying
that
which
is
where
they
want
you
to
keep
on
buying
the
aftermarket
it's
best,
and
then
you
you
into
that
trap
and
then
you,
basically
not
even
you
know
a
seeing
any
potential
out
of
that
year,
yeah
so
I'm,
I'm,
King
and
then
I
think.
Obviously
one
would
also
add
a
bit
of
value
in
terms
of
the
product,
a
that
we
can
do
as
well.
A
B
B
A
All
right,
Martin,
I,
think
I'm,
happy
and
then
I
would
really
love
to
know
we.
Obviously
we
there
is
no
formal
going
to
in
terms
of
kick
I
would
dim
this
as
a
kickoff
sort
of
meeting
so
because
I
am
really
a
kind
of
person.
I
don't
want
to
put
too
much
weight
in
two
things:
I'd
prefer
to
just
jump
into
it
and
then
crawl
his
lives
and
get
going.
A
So
obviously,
the
next
point
I
believe
from
your
side
that
received
a
bomb
and
then
I
just
start
with
the
sourcing
process
for
the
material
and
then
I
I
should
advise
once
I'm
sorted
with
the
issue
of
length,
because
I'm
trying
to
look
for
space
this
space,
the
ROM
target
and
once
I've
got
that
space.
I'll
also
keep
you
up
to
date
and
yes,
I.
A
B
A
A
A
Yep
so
there's
a
bit
of
safety,
and
so
you
might
need
a
bit
of
a
bigger
space
and
then
just
the
other
thing
that
I
also
wanted
to
ask
because
I
think
I've
taken
it
up
on
the
life
life-track,
hey
guys,
it's
sorry,
a
initially
a
our
guys,
because
you're
also
just
also
trying
to
look
at
ways.
I
know
that
this
you're
not
dealing
with
that
chaps
at
the
moment,
you're
just
looking
at
the
3d
printers.
A
That's
fine
for
as
I
understand
that
I
follow
everything,
but
in
terms
of
with
the
interest
that
our
guys
way,
we
have
in
the
life
track
as
a
side
project
in
our
spare
time.
Can
we
get
a
bit
of
support
from
your
side
if
we
need
it,
because
the
guys
wanted
to
kicks
that,
but
I
don't
want
to
anything
to
contradict
or
interject
what
we'll
be
doing
on
a
on
a
on
a
on
a
sort
of
full-time
basis.
I
know
they
did
they.
A
What
we're
doing
is
it's
a
different
chapters
and
3d
printers,
but
out
of
interest
the
guys
were
asking
me
about
the
life
track
and
then
just
wanting
to
know
because
they've
taken
a
particular
interest
and
just
looking
at
it
and
seeing
if
it's
something
that
can
be
built
and
also
a
locally,
but
that's
just
something
on
the
side.
Is
it
possible
or
is
it
too
much
well.
A
This
is
my
team.
I
mean
my
team
just
to
your
sort
of
means.
Yes,
yes,
I'm,
not
taking
people
outside
it
was
like
I'm
saying
I
I
am
I'm,
trying
to
also
have
a
team
that
is
sort
of
well.
We,
let
me
just
put
it
this
way.
We
we
we
want
to
have
an
engineering
team
as
well.
It
is
sort
of
involved,
so
they,
like
I,
said
they
detector
or
sort
of
sparked
our
interest
India
on
yeah.
B
A
B
B
A
B
A
A
B
A
A
B
A
Do
understand
one
thing
at
a
time:
caves
just
be
good
they're.
The
focus
and
everything
else
perfectly
well
is
not
that's
fine
in
motion,
I,
respect
that
and
then
I
just
got
going
with
the
I
look
forward
to
then
they
you
know
and
then
I
don't
work
on
my
side
a
what
could
be
expected
this
week,
because
I
also
saw
the
issue
of
logging.
A
obviously
I
didn't
want
to
come.
I
wanted
to
follow
the
protocols.
So
what
does
one
look
like,
for
instance?
B
B
B
On
the
wiki
and
I've
seen,
and
you
can
click
on
anything
and
you
see
what
I
wrote
or
what
I
learned
about
a
new
design
or
whatever
I
log
everything
so
that
you
can
take
it
and
we
can
collaborate
readily
like
you,
don't
have
to
ask
me:
oh
well,
send
me
your
file.
No,
it's
already.
There
just
take
a
look
at
it
and
let
me
know
what
you
watch,
what
you
think
you
know
just.
B
A
Yes,
I,
I,
truly
believe
in
that
that's
powerful
and
yes,
so
I
got
when
I
to
understand
the
protocol,
because
I'm
the
kind
of
person
that
also
and
to
sort
of
follow
right,
right,
I
didn't
want
to
come
in,
and
you
know
start
doing
my
own
things.
So
when
I
go
there
I
know
existing
platforms,
particularly
for
because
I
know,
you've
said
a
lot
of
platforms
for
different
things.
I
just
also
want
to
sort
of
have
things
in
the
right
order.
Yeah.
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
I'm
sorry
I
should
well
well
what
I
need
like
there's
a
list
of
about
50
items.
So
basically
I
want
to
see
what
watch
what
you
find
so
so,
next
to
my
link,
they'll
be
laying
this
where
you
can
see
exactly
what
the
part
is
paste
in
the
link
that
you
have,
because
then
we
can
sum
it
up
and
then
we
can
actually
say.
Oh
the
printer
is
gonna
cost
this
much
in
South
Africa
just
for
the
parts.