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B
A
So
Morgan,
are
you
traveling
a
lot
I
see
your
starting
to
travel
a
lot
more.
B
Not
not
so
much
for
work,
I
mean
this
is
my
only
work.
Travel
trip
that's
coming
up,
but.
D
A
All
right,
what
is
over
list
of
things
that
we
want
to
discuss
today?
Morgan
I
had
submitted
the
blog
post
last
week,
but
I
have
not
seen
it
being
posted.
So
I'll
follow
up
on
the
comments
and.
B
I'm
surprised,
it's
not
up.
Yeah
talk
to
Austin.
C
Okay,
I
guess.
The
first
thing
we
should
talk
about
is
the
the
easy
CLA
dco
thing.
Yes,
I
assume
everybody
here
has
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
issue
and
at
least
think
about
it
for
a
minute.
C
C
C
C
It
works
by
having
a
dco
bot
that
checks
all
contributions,
just
like
you
would,
if
you
were
just
using
a
dco
and
a
central
repository
of
it's
essentially
an
ignore
list
for
the
dco
bot
and
that
repository
is
protected
by
a
CLA.
So
if
you
sign
the
CLA,
you
can
then
add
yourself
to
the
list
of
users
ignored
by
the
dco
bot.
C
He
is
apparently
working
with
the
maintainer
of
the
dco
bot
to
get
that
Global
ignore
list
functionality
in
place,
since
it
actually
doesn't
support
it
right
now,
but
he
says
it's
a
minor
thing
and
it
just
hasn't
been
a
priority
for
him.
It
should
be
relatively
quick
to
do
if
anybody
decides
to
actually
spend
the
time.
C
It
seemed
to
me
like
a
reasonable
compromise
of
of
the
available
options.
Some
people
don't
want
to
contribute
under
a
CLA,
whether
it's
for
personal
privacy
reasons
or
other,
and
some
organizations
want
to
manage
their
their
CLA
signing
centrally
and
not
use
a
dco.
C
E
I
I,
like
the
solution,
I,
would
just
say
for
context.
This
is
not
something.
I
have
been
able
to
find
written
down,
but
I'm
having
a
memory.
This
is
probably
actually
everyone
else
on.
The
call
was
there
for
this
I
think,
except
maybe
for
Alita
when
we
were
doing
stuff
early
on
in
that
seed
governance
committee.
I,
think
that
some
organizations
and
I
don't
mean
like
I
organization
in
companies
just
will
not
do
dco
I
think
the
issue
is
that
Google,
specifically
just
won't.
Do
it
so
I,
don't
I
think
that's
correct.
E
That's
what
Sarah
Novotny
said
at
the
time,
I
think
that's
still
true,
I,
think
what
you
suggested
Daniel
seems
like
a
fine
solution.
I
will
say
it's
a
practical
matter
that
I'm
not
at
all
enthusiastic
about
saying
we're
not
doing
CLA
anymore.
Now
we're
only
doing
dco
it'll
just
be
some
kind
of
whack-a-mole
thing
with
a
bunch
of
other
reasons.
E
Yeah,
if
there's
a
hybrid
solution,
great
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I
think
that
makes
tons
of
sense.
There's
a
part
of
me
that
wants
to
tell
people
who
don't
like
to
put
in
their
address
just
to
enter
the
White
House
or
something
like
I
mean
I
I.
This
is
an
active
protest
or
something
but
but
whatever
I
mean
yeah,
we
can
do
that.
Daniel.
G
A
Worked
I
agree,
Ben
I
mean
I
again,
I,
don't
think
we
have
the
Choice
as
a
project
to
do
one
or
the
other
because
of
just
requirements.
You
know
from
different
groups
of
I
mean
you
know
committers
and
contributors
from
different
companies.
Yuri
did
you
want
to
say
something
yeah.
G
I
actually
again
for
context,
my
recollection
was
that
when
we
introduced
the
Google
set,
it's
not
that
they
so
how
to
put
it.
It's
not
the
sort
of
like
from
the
contribution
side
that
they
were
opposed
to
dco
versus
clo.
It's
from
the
consumption
side.
They
say
like
they
don't
want
to
to
do
projects
which
don't
have
CLA,
because
then
they
contribute
to
staff
which
is
sort
of
like
has
a
more
vague
legal
ground
than
the
CLA
based
approaches.
Right.
G
C
I
mean
I,
don't
know
that
we
necessarily
need
more
commentary
on
the
thread.
I,
don't
know
whether
decisions
about
dco
versus
CLA
or
other
Solutions
require
TC
input.
C
G
My
concern
is
that
we
don't
know
if
it's
War
if
it
works
right,
that's
why
it
makes
sense
to
post
this
proposal
publicly
and
say
this
is
what
we
want
to
do
and
let
like
people
who
think
that
doesn't
work
for
them,
explain
why.
C
Yeah
I
can
I
can
comment
the
solution
on
the
on
the
community
issue.
C
I
would
be
surprised
if
anybody
said
it
was
that
it
doesn't
work,
because
some
people
are
saying
they
want
CLA
and
some
people
are
saying
they
want
dco.
Nobody.
G
C
Suggested
anything
else
or
said
that
they
don't
want
to
do
anything
or
you
know,
I
think
it
should
be
okay
but
yeah.
We
should
probably
make
a
con
I'll
make
a
comment
and
I'll
tag
the
GC
in
it
so
that
you
guys
can
either
thumbs
up
thumbs
down
or
if
you
have
additional
thoughts,
add
them
and
then
I
guess
we'll
give
it
I,
don't
know,
call
it
a
week
and
I
vote
on
it.
Next
meeting.
H
So
Austin
Parker's,
our
community
manager,
he's
also
the
only
person
who
is
not
on
the
GC,
who
is
a
project
manager,
project
maintainer
from
the
perspective
of
the
cncf,
so
he's
doing
a
lot
of
stuff
on
our
behalf,
around
Oto,
Community,
Day
and
other,
like
cnci
coordinating
activities
and
since
we're
the
other
people
who
do
that
work,
he
was
wondering
like
how
should
he
be
coordinating
with
that
stuff?
He
proposed
just
coming
to
these
meetings
is
easiest
way
to
do
it,
but
I
wanted
to
check
in
with
you
all
I.
H
H
A
A
Awesome
all
right,
I
I
think
we
already
covered
the
blog
post
a
bit
from
kubecon
again
I
will
work
with
Austin
to
get
this
up
and,
and
we
have
a
whole
bunch
of
activities,
I
think
Morgan.
A
We
might
want
to
attend,
we
might
want
to
Daniel,
we
might
want
to
get
a
bit
more
organized
about
you
know,
doing
dinners
or
anything
else
that
we
want
to
do
as
a
team
for
those
of
us
who
are
there
in
person
this
time.
So
should
we
like
have
a
just
a
slack
channel
for
the
you
know,
kubecon
hotel
at
kubecon
or
something
I.
A
It
might
just
happen,
you
know
the
right
on
the
channel.
We
don't
have
to
do
too
many
follow-ups
for
that.
Then.
H
A
H
A
B
F
A
F
F
A
F
Yep,
do
you
all
want
a
quick
update,
an
Hotel
unplugged.
A
Than
following
the
chatter
on
the
channel,
yeah.
F
15
of
those
are
in-person
paid
tickets.
54
are
for
virtual
tickets,
so
I
know
honeycomb
is
sending
out
a
notification
about
that
again
in
their
marketing
comms.
Today,
I'm
gonna
figure
out
how
we
can
get
it
in
some
sort
of
light
step,
email
thing.
If
anyone
else
wants
to
bubble
that
up
through
their
respective
marketing
teams
to
try
to
drive
traffic
to
it,
we
only
have
100
in-person
spots
so
but
I
know
several
of
you
have
said
you
will
be
there
and.
B
H
F
B
F
Well,
the
only
other
like
big
Community
thing
that
I
think
some
of
you
are
aware
of
is
the
CLA
issue
that
got
we.
A
Austin,
could
you
quickly
go
over
what's
happening
it
unplugged?
That
is
what's
the
program
right.
F
So
the
program
is,
there's
gonna,
be
it's
very
for
those
of
you
who
are
in
Texas
earlier
this
year
for
Oto
Community
Day.
It's.
A
F
F
Gonna
have
a
little
opening
keynote
with
I.
Think
you
and
me
and
Morgan
we're
gonna
have
a
sort
of
maintainers
panel
with
anyone.
That's
there
physically,
so
you
and
Morgan
and
Daniel
I
think
there's
going
to
be
an
end
user.
Actually,
two
things:
there's
gonna
be
the
sort
of
end
user,
in-person
interview
and
then
sort
of
a
virtual
panel.
F
There's
a
lot
of
people
like
Reese
found
through
New
Relic
that
just
are
not
going
to
be
coming
but
would
like
to
participate
in
a
panel.
So
we're
just
gonna
do
like
a
virtual
panel
for
them
and
then
it's
going
to
be
a
bunch
of
breakout
sessions.
Awesome.
A
A
F
Going
forward
as
soon
actually
as
after
kubecon
as
soon
as
I
can
get
some
of
the
Linux
foundation.
Events,
people
on
the
line
I'm
going
to
formally
establish
like
Hey
we're
gonna,
do
an
EU
and
a
North
American
Hotel
Community
Day
as
a
day
Zero
in
front
of
the
respective
kubecons
and
our
my
compromise
solution
for
them
is
like
as
long
as
we
can
get
stream.
It
do
like
a
free
virtual
ticket.
F
B
F
Not
mince
words,
not
shitty,
and
if
we
can
figure
that
out,
then
that's
something
we
can
repeat
going
forward
and
I
think
that
and
then
we
can
just
establish
that
for
next
year
and
the
year
after
and
out.
A
Well,
I
think
that's
an
awesome
idea,
because
I
think
it
would
really
work
for
APAC.
Also
to
do
that,
and
you
know
again,
that's
like
a
big
gray
area
for
us
right
now,
because
you
don't
do
as
much
APAC
yeah.
F
A
A
lot
of
interest
from
various
Apec,
you
know,
customers
as
well
as
yeah.
F
F
G
F
G
A
F
But
very
excited
about
this,
and
also
hi
thanks
for
approving
my
idea.
I
honestly,
don't
intend
to
stay
in
this
role
for
forever.
I
would
like
to
get
it
on
the
right
foot
and
then
maybe
next
year.
You
know
you
can
bring
in
someone
else
for
this,
but
it
was
just
a
natural
kind
of
progression
of
what
I
was
doing
and
I'm
hopeful
that
I
can
get
it
onto
a
good
track.
So.
H
I
know
yeah
stay
on
and
add
another
person.
F
I
mean
if
you're
looking
for
someone
Wren
from
honeycomb
has
like
expressed
interest
and
I
would
not
have
I
would
not
oppose
that.
Having
an
extra
body
would
probably
be
helpful,
I
would
suggest
Liz,
but
they
she's,
apparently
a
field
CTO
now,
which
seems
probably
like
a.
H
A
A
F
That's
also
nice
I
would
I
would
say
that
until
we
get
some
of
the
I
mean
one
of
the
challenges.
I
think
is
I
mean
okay.
The
way
I
see
it's
two
things
like
we
do
need
to
get
more
than
just
me,
but
I
also
don't
want
this
to
become
like
five
or
six
people,
because
then
we've
just
replaced
the
kind
of
coordination
problems
we
had
before,
where
there
wasn't
where
there
was
sort
of
diffuse
responsibility
about
this
stuff
for
the
cncf
with
another
group.
That
is
also
diffused
responsibility.
F
So
maybe
we
pick
another
two
people
after
the
GC
elections
and
go
from
there,
and
then
we
have
like
three
people.
A
Couple
of
folks,
you
know
who
are
because
you
know
we
all
as
part
of
our
open
source
work.
Yeah
do
do
some
part
of
you
know
the
activities
that
you
are
deeply
involved
in
and
leading.
A
Let's
talk
a
bit
about
this,
you
know
in
more
detail,
maybe
a
face
to
face
at
kubecon
lots
of
you
know.
These
are
areas
that
the
project
needs
support
on,
as,
as
you
know,
we
continue
to
grow
yeah,
so
absolutely
Aston
well
called
out.
Should
we
move
on
in
the
interest
of
time.
D
A
B
E
A
Yeah,
that's
fine
during
gopher.
A
I
think
Yuri
had
raised
this
question
and
again.
I
also
think
that
that's
a
very
thoughtful
question.
You
know
and
should
be
at
rest.
G
Well,
I
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
go
about
it,
but
it
feels
like.
There
are
two
aspects:
one
is
just
internal
retrospective
for
us,
but
also
some
sort
of
like
a
public
post.
It
seems
to
be
maybe
useful,
saying
like
Okay.
This
was
the
kind
of
the
work
that
was
done
by
GC,
something
like
that.
D
Yeah
on
the
first
topic
under
the
retrospective
I
think
we
could
have.
We
could
have
some
clarity
on
what
is
the
role
of
the
GC
in
general.
I've
had
a
couple
of
candidates
reach
out
to
me
asking
you
know,
I
want
you
to
be
a
candidate,
but
I,
don't
know
what
it.
What
AGC
member
does,
and
my
answer
to
both
were-
was
take
a
look
at
the
agenda
and
see
what
what
what
are
the
topics
that
we
usually
discuss
because.
A
I
couldn't
find
it.
That
is
interesting,
though
jurassi,
because
that
typically
shows
that
they're
not
really
worked
in
open
source
projects
before.
But
you
know
it's
a
fair
point:
I
mean
you
know
if
somebody
is
trying
to
just
read
something
and
figure
it
out,
but
that
also
shows
that
you
know
they're
not
very
used
to
large
projects
and
but.
A
D
Well
to
their
defense,
I
reach
out
to
them
and
and
said
they
would
be
good
candidates
in
those
cases
in
two
cases
and
they
they
asked.
So
what
does
aegc
member
G?
And
you
know
we
have
the
charter,
we
have.
You
know
everything
outlined,
but
it's
too
abstract.
You
know,
even
after
reading
that
we
I
think
it's
easier
to
just
go
over
the
agenda
to
see
what
we
actually
do
here.
D
So
perhaps
it
we
should
have
more
clarity
or
we
should
be
more.
You
know
less
abstract
in
what
is
the
role
of
the
GC
and
then
the
questions
of
that
that
you
already
mentioned
you
know
so,
perhaps
as
part
of
the
retrospection
we
can,
we
can
see
what
we
actually
did
over
the
past
few
years.
Yeah.
A
Yeah
I
mean
I
I,
think
that's
very
good
point
to
raise
durasi
and
having
a
retrospective
would
at
least
you
know,
make
sure
that
the
roles
and
responsibilities
are
clearly
called
out
again.
Many
of
us,
you
know
just
having
been
involved
in
different
projects.
No,
no,
this
instinctively,
but
obviously
it's
good
to
call
it
out
right,
clearly
and
and
the
but
the
other
question
that
again
comes
to
Yuri's.
A
You
know
initial
thoughts
there
is
that
what
is
the
role
of
the
TC
and
and
how
do
even
you
know
the
most
prolific
maintainers
on
the
project
ever
graduate
to
the
TC?
If
that
is
a
path
for
them
right,
and
is
that
even
a
path?
Because
that's
come
up
in
the
past-
and
you
know
again
the
way
that
the
hotel
TC
operates
today
is
very
much
based
on
the
initial
tenets
of
the
foundation.
You
know
formation
of
the
project
where
they
were
initial.
You
know
Founders
and
contrib
contrib
contributors
to
the
project.
G
Well,
I
always
so
like
in
my
mind,
sort
of
of
gcntc
as
these
two
like
legislative
and
executive
branches
of
the
project,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
there
is
a
pretty
weird
disbalance
in
that
because,
like
TC
is
Not
Elected
like
the
worst
way
at
the
same
time
like
as
I
mentioned,
an
email,
a
lot
of
motivations
that
you
read
in
the
candidates
for
GC
they're,
like
oh
I,
want
to
do
this
type
of
work.
Well,
nothing
stops
you
from
doing
that.
G
E
Yeah,
the
the
GC
does
also
serve
as
like
a
checking
a
balance
or
something
and
I'd
say
in
the
whatever
number
of
years
it's
been,
there
have
been
I,
don't
know
a
couple
times
when
that's
maybe
felt
necessary
and
I
think
actually
has
been
someone
helpful,
but
we
have
not
been
a
very
proactive
group
about
addressing
I
think
what
I
would
call
like
the
product
side
of
open,
Telemetry
and
open
core
product
project,
which
is
not
that
would
typically
be
run
by
the
you
know,
the
organization
you
know
Confluence,
basically
the
product
lens
of
Kafka.
E
That
kind
of
thing
we
don't
really
have
one
of
those
I
think
that's
been
a
failure
or
a
missed
opportunity
for
otel
all
along
I.
Think
it's
I
think
it
would
actually
be
quite
valuable
to
have
some
sort
of
body
with
an
hotel.
E
That's
that
has
the
capacity
to
set
product
like
goals
in
terms
of
like
what
outcomes
we're
trying
to
achieve
and
so
on,
but
it
gets
really
Tangled
Up
in
the
individual
Opex
decisions
of
the
contributing
organizations
that
are
kind
of
out
of
our
control,
but
I
think
that's
been
like
the
tension.
The
DC
I
think
we
all
kind
of
want
to
be
thinking
about
end
users
and
customers
and
so
on,
but
we're
we're
a
genuinely
multi-vendor
Coalition
here
and
it's
just
almost
impossible
to
do
that
kind
of
planning.
E
The
way
that
the
various
organizations
are
structured
so
I
like
the
idea
of
the
DC
continuing
to
exist
as
a
check
into
balance.
The
proactive
end,
user-focused
product
thing
still
feels,
like
the
biggest
missed
opportunity,
same
voted
by
a
long
shot.
I,
don't
think
the
GC
is
very
well
structured
to
solve
that
unless
everyone
wants
to
kind
of
open
the
books
on
their
own.
You
know
Opex
planning,
which
I
think
is
going
to
be
real
hard
for
a
bunch
of
competitors
to
do
so.
B
Time
and
attention
to
do
it
like,
like
a
kubecon
Valencia
I,
was
running
like
we
came
up
with
a
cool
roadmap
with
people
there.
It's
not
like
an
official
document,
but
I
wasn't
really
able
to
propagate
that
or
act
on
it,
because
my
time
is
limited
and
I.
Just
there's
only
so
many
hours
in
the.
A
But
Morgan
you
know,
on
the
other
hand,
you
know
we
have
I
have
many
times
where
you
know
when
I
was
at
AWS,
but
even
today,
I
cared
about
you
know
having
a
road
map
which
is
clearly
you
know
at
least.
B
A
To
everybody
and-
and
we
wondered
you
know-
we
have
discussed
this
before
as
a
group
where,
where
does
this
responsibility
sit?
Could
we
have
a
work
group
that
within
the
TC
or
DC
or
wherever,
but
you
know
it
is
something
that
people
are
interested
in
doing
I'm
happy
to
contribute
time
there?
But
if
you
don't
have
a
mechanism
for
doing
that
right,
that's
process.
B
A
H
From
my
back
and
forth
with
the
TC
on
this,
because
I
I
have
felt
that
there's
been
a
bit
of
a
tension
where
I
feel
like
it's,
the
TC's
responsibility
to
kind
of
create
a
road
map
and
be
organizing
the
other
contributors
like
you
know,
in
other
words
engineering,
but
at
a
higher
level
and
I
feel.
Like
often
the
the
TC
members
are,
are
very
heads
down
in
code
like.
H
The
the
the
middle
ground
that
I've
gotten
to
them
with
before
I
went
on
sabbatical
was
just
that
we
could,
if
they
could
get
more
project
management,
help
like.
If
we
could
find
Project
managers
technical
project
managers
to
work
with
them,
then
they
would
be
able
to
to.
H
C
A
C
I
think
that
somebody
here
should
start
an
email
thread
to
try
to
figure
out
when
we
can
schedule
that
time.
H
H
C
Totally
not
a
thing.
We
need
to
address
that
yeah,
but
yeah
not
to
not
right
now,
not
today
so
Ted,
you
said
you'll
you'll,.