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C
C
Yeah,
that
was
definitely
a
factor
in
my
decision
to
not
stand
for
re-election.
B
C
The
torch
also
I
am
moving
to
work
on
other
things.
You
know
I
continue
to
very
much
steadfastly
support
hotel,
but
I
thought
couple
of
other
projects.
They
want
to
start.
B
A
I'm
on
a
recorded
call,
I
don't
represent
the
views
of
my
employer,
though,
should
we
there's
nothing
on
the
agenda?
I
guess
we're
waiting
for
a
couple
days
for
the
official
election
results
right
and
the
polls
don't
close
until
this
evening?
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
A
Only
thing
I
was
going
to
ask
I
mean
I,
think
drastic
might
be
the
only
person
who
knows
this
who's
on
this
call,
but
well
he's
not
on
his
call
either,
but
just
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
turnout
so
to
speak.
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
we're
able
to
capture
from
Helios
mid-election
but
it'll
just
be
helpful
to
understand.
I.
B
Think
it's
at
40
from
what
I
can
see
it's
approximately
out
of
500,
some
it's
at
about
200.
B
C
D
C
B
Realize
Ben,
if
you
go
to
the
you
know
the
page
that
you
received
from
Helios
and
if
you
click
on
the
voters
and
balance,
then
it
tells
you
the
number.
F
C
C
B
Exactly
cool
I
think
we
have
a
much
larger
number
of
active
or
qualified
candidates
members.
This
time.
B
So
I
think
the
only
other
topic
at
least
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
was
kubecon
again
Morgan
as
you
and
I
chatted
and
Austin
had
also
asked.
Austin
and
I
had
chatted
Also
earlier
I'm
I
have
a
Google
Docs,
based
on
a
slide
deck
based
on
the
previous
unit
decks
we
have
used,
but
you
know
kind
of
the
format
and
then
we
can
I
just
share
it
with
everybody.
On
the
you
know,
Ted
you
and
Austin,
and
me
and
Daniel
I
think
was
also
listed.
B
And
then
then
the
sections
are
carved
out,
but
we
can
take
whatever
we
want
to
and
just
kind
of
fill
it
in.
If
you
want,
if
we
if
we
want
to
and
then
maybe
we
can
regroup
at
kubecon
in
person
as
a
team
to
just
figure
out
who's
covering
what,
if.
B
I
reach
Monday
at
afternoon
Austin.
So
definitely
there
Tuesday
morning,
Yeah
Tuesday.
G
We've
had
quite
I
will
say:
we've
had
quite
a
bit
of
sort
of
last,
no
not
last
minute,
but
we've
had
a
lot
of
sponsor
promotions
over
the
past
like
three
to
four
hours.
Right
now
we
have
140
total
tickets,
so
35
paid
100
or
35
in
person.
105
virtual
I
would
expect
plus
10
on
that
actual
number
I'm,
not
sure
how
many
people
I
know
that
I
don't
think
any
of
the
organizers
are
registered,
for
example,
so
I
would
probably
put
a
set
of
50
to
60.
G
IRL
head
count.
I
know
some
of
the
speakers
on
open
observability
day
on
Monday
are
going
to
be
kind
of
telling
people
hey
come
come
to
this
thing
on
Tuesday
too.
G
So
on
that
note,
because
there
has
been
some
questions
about
this,
the
current
plan
that
I
have
is
to
and
I've
talked
to,
Linux
foundation.
Events
about
this
is
to
immediately
after
kubecon
will
lock
in
these
the
zero
day
event
perfect
for
open,
subject:
Community
Day
at
kubecon,
EU
and
kubecon
in
a
so
that'll,
be
Amsterdam
in
Chicago
next
year.
G
G
G
And
and
we're
also
working
to
kind
of
hopefully
have
some
really
durable,
like
a
really
good,
durable
format,
for
it
going
for,
like
virtual
breakouts
that
so
it's
not
just
sitting
and
watching
a
live
stream,
so
yeah
I
expect
more
on
that,
after
it
happens,
I
believe
everyone
that
is
I
think
everyone
that
is
hearing
me
is
going
to
be
there,
though,
if
they're
there
so
you'll
be
able
to
experience
in
person,
and
then
I
saw
the
project
meeting
has
do
you
know
Morgan.
D
B
A
D
G
One
thing
that
I'm
going
to
at
least
try
to
talk
to
someone
about
is
like
this
is
kind
of
the
second
time
in
a
row.
Now
that
we've
I
feel
like
I,
don't
want
to
say,
I'm,
not
snubbed,
it's
just
like
something.
Some
wires
have
gotten
crossed
and
we're
not
really.
You
know
they
apparently
lost
our
project
update.
So
we
were
never
considered
for
keynote
speaking
spots.
D
D
D
G
People
about
this
yeah.
B
Let
us
know,
because
again,
we
can,
you
know,
know
and
help
influence
yeah.
G
Definitely
definitely
and
then
I
think
the
only
other
big
thing
is
the
project.
Booth
Rhys
Lee
has
been
working
on
getting
trying
to
get
some
stuff
there
for
the
project.
Booth
I
know
the
end
user
working
group
in
general
has
been
they've
got
some
question.
They've
got
some
like
standees
together
for
the
end
usual
survey
and
I.
G
Think
I'm
actually
I'll
ask
her
tomorrow,
because
that's
when
our
planning
meeting
on
this
is
and
see
if
we
can
get
some
like
dates
and
times
published,
so
that
people
kind
of
can
know
when
they,
if
they
want
to
drop
by
at
a
given
time,
to
kind
of
take
questions
and
do
whatever
I
know,
Ted
will
be
in
Detroit
and
has
his
Liberty
to
mostly
himself
and
so
should
be
able
to
spend
some
time
at
the
project.
Booth
as
well.
I,
however,
will
be
doing
work.
I
get
paid
for.
E
G
G
To
my
my
booth
by
a
variety
of
well-meaning
events,
personnel
and
PR
Personnel,
so
I
see
okay
and.
E
C
G
Well,
as
my
colleague
as
my
colleagues
in
this
call,
I
can
tell
you:
I
I,
do
just
fantastic
with
directions,
so
I'm
sure
I'll
be
all
around,
but.
G
B
There
is
also
a
dinner
that
the
that
Henrik
has
been.
You
know
getting
everybody
to
kind
of
join
in
for
from
it
was
started
initially
at
the
tag
meeting
in
for
observability
and,
and
there
are
about
13
people
confirmed
for
October
26th
Wednesday
evening
caught
down.
So
I
can
again
everybody's
welcome.
B
G
Think
the
only
thing,
the
only
other
thing,
I
I
figured
we
would
talk
about
this
at
the
project
meeting
is
if
we
wanted
to.
There
has
been
a
couple
of
like
some
more
posts
on
the
CLA
issue,
yeah.
B
Yeah,
definitely,
and-
and
here
we
have
geracio
it's
addressing,
did
you
want?
Do
you
want
to
date?
I
think
we
talked.
It
touched
a
little
bit
on
the
how
the
election
is
going
and
we're
excited
lots
of
folks
Jenny
in
you.
B
H
I
am
not
counting,
so
there
are
two
things
that
are
happening
over
that
that
did
happen
so
far
and
the
first
one
is.
We
added
about
I
think
eight
people
that
requested
exemption
all
people
who
requested
that
were
not
already
eligible
to
vote.
They
were
accepted.
They
were
all
known
to
at
least
two
of
the
of
the
GC
members.
H
So
we
just
approved
and
I
I
realized
that
I
don't
think
we
actually
have
a
process
of
or
anything
objective
to
decide
whether
or
not
people
would
be
you
know
exempt
from
the
rules.
It's
very
much
subjective,
I,
don't
know
if
I
like
it
not
to
have
any
kind
any
sort
of
guideline,
but
perhaps
this
is
something
to
discuss
after
the
election
and
for
the
next
election
for
the
2023.
B
Yeah
I
think
that's
a
very
good
call
out
did
I
say
because
we
had
the
same
issue
even
last
time,
except
that
you
know
I,
think
Liz,
Liz
and
I
and
Daniel
who
were
on
the
you
know
election
committee
last
time
we
conferred
with
each
other
and
and
then
you
know,
we
could
clearly
see
folks
who
had
participated
and
accepted
them
and
others
I
think.
E
From
what
I
remember,
we
also
accepted
everybody
I.
Think
one
thing
about
not
having
guidelines
is
that
the
the
whole
point
of
the
exemption
process
is
for
the
sort
of
intangible.
H
But
perhaps
some
guidelines,
so
not
not
rules
but
guidelines
like
what
is
what
is
acceptable.
What
is
a
an
outstanding
contribution
to
the
project
yeah
making
it
you
know
the
equivalent
of
20
contributions
in
GitHub,
for
that
is
it
is
attending
or
is?
Is
it
planning
one
event
enough
or
I?
Don't
know
you
know,
so
it
was
not
very
clear
to
me
what
the
bar
is.
H
It
was
not
a
problem,
I
think
for
this
election.
So
quite
a
few
people
or
pretty
much
all
of
them
were
prominent
people
helping
the
project
in
a
way
or
another,
but
it
might
become
a
problem
in
the
future
and
before
it
becomes
a
problem,
I
think
it
might
be
worth
having
examples
of
you
know
what
is
what
was
accepted
in
the
past,
and
so
so
we
have
like
a
guy
or
not
the
guideline,
but
we
have
examples.
I
think
that's
yeah.
If
anyone
wanted
to
say
something.
A
A
Of
difficult
to
make
numerical
or
quantitative
guidelines
for
this
I
mean
you
know:
I
went
through
that
spreadsheet
too
right,
it's
like
all
of
them
seem
totally
legitimate.
I
was
actually
kind
of
surprised
in
some
way
that
some
of
those
folks
who've
actually
done
a
lot
for
hotel.
That
weren't
already
admitted
by
the
like
automated
stuff,
but
it
makes
sense
because
they're
mostly
doing
like
public
face
stuff
which
actually
I
think
we
really
benefit
from
I'd
say
this
would
be
hard
for
it
to
be
quantitative.
A
The
whole
reason
that
we
have
the
exception
process
is
for
people
who
don't
make
it
to
the
quantitative
thing.
Maybe
we
could
make
it
more
qualitative
I
think
to
me
the
the
key
things
are
sustained
and
like
noticeable
in
some
way
right.
It's
like
people
in
the
community
will
know
who
you
are.
Maybe
it's
like
you
get
a
few
people
to
vouch
for
that
or
something
but
I
don't
mind
it
being
qualitative
I
think
that's
the
whole
point
of
the
exception
process.
A
I
just
want
it
to
be
to
be
something
where
you
can
do
it
in
a
month
right.
It's
like
like
for
Michael,
like
he's,
done
a
lot
for
hotel,
but
over
the
course
of
years
and
somehow
I
didn't
qualify
right
so
I'm
do
you
know
what
I
mean,
but
there's
like
some
sort
of
social
component
and
a
Time
component
I
would
be
fine
with
that,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
make
it
like
this.
Many
talks
as
many
articles
whatever,
just
by
the
nature
of
the
point.
E
Yeah
but
I
think
like
getting
thumbs
up
from
two
maintainers
there's
a
lot
of
maintainers
and
if
you
don't
know
two
maintainers
that
you
can
get
a
thumbs
up
from
then
yes,
I
agree.
E
B
E
A
lot
of
people
that
make
significant
contributions
that
that
the
GC
may
not
interact
with
regularly
like
there's
only
one,
nine
or
ten
GC
members.
So
no.
B
Absolutely
I
I
think
Daniel
is
totally
a
spot
on
because
there
are,
you
know,
active
contributors
in
very
specific
areas
and
they
don't
necessarily
you
know,
interact
with
every
one
of
us
all
the
time
right.
So,
but
it's
also
that
you
know
this
was
a
similar
conversation
that
occurred.
You
know
again,
I
think
a
year
or
a
year
and
a
half
ago
on
members
right.
B
How
do
you
define
members
and
and
what
does
contribution
mean
and
again
it
goes
back
to
you
know
how
we
Define
inclusiveness
and
adversity
on
the
project
right,
yeah.
E
E
B
E
E
E
Was
gonna
say
two,
like
you
just
said,
all
the
people
that
you
approved
at
least
two
GC
members
were
familiar
with.
B
H
I
shared
I
think
I
shared
on
the
GCE
channel,
but
I
pinged
only
the
GC
election,
okay.
H
H
The
only
concern
that
I
have
in
asking
two
maintainers
to
watch
for
exceptions
is
just
a
matter
of
timing,
so
for
the
next
one
we
would
probably
need
to
have
a
bigger
time
window
between
closing
the
form
and
starting
the
election,
because
right
now
it
is
like
very
much
in
the
next
day.
So
we
have
a
exemption
form
closing
in
one
day
and
the
other
days
of
action
already
so
I
think
because
of
time,
zone
issues
and
so
on.
H
I
would
then
ask
at
least
a
couple
of
days
for
for
for
exemption
process
to
run,
so
we
close
the
form
one
one
day,
and
then
we
have
two
days
for
people
to
be
approved
by
other
maintainers,
and
then
we
have
to
find
a
way
of
of
publishing
this
list
of
people
with
the
maintainers
I.
Don't
know
how
formal
that
should
be,
or
if
that
should
be
a
GitHub
issue
or.
H
Yeah
one
thing
that
I,
so
the
second
thing
that
I
that
I
I
was
a
little
bit
uneasy,
was
mentioning
all
the
people
who
requested
exemptions
on
a
GitHub
issue.
I,
don't
know
if
people
wanted
to
I
know
this
wanted
to
be
shown
as
people
who
requested
exemptions,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
trauma
at
all.
It's
just.
E
A
I
think
that's
actually
really
important.
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
think,
especially
if
there's
it
turns
out
in
this
case,
I
think
they're
all
approved,
but
if
we
had
denied
one
I
think
we
need
to
explain
why
you
know
for
transparency.
I
think
it
totally
makes
sense.
Okay,
you
make
it
more
obvious
that
those
are
the
rules
of
the
road.
You
know
for
exceptions
that,
by
the
way,
you're
going
to
be
listed,
but
I.
G
G
And
not
to
give
us
a
few
like
future
me
or
anyone
on
this
call
work,
but
it
might
be
good
as
a
follow-up
for
the
next
GC
to
like
when
you
do
have
basically
to
go
through
the
roles
and
to
like
kind
of
individually
be
like
well.
Why
weren't
you?
Why
didn't
you
already
qualify
like
try
to
do
a
little
audit
of
the
process?
And
you
know
because
if
there
is
some
a
number
of
people
that
aren't
becoming
members,
and
maybe
they
should,
then
we
should
at
least
like
categorize,
that
and
figure
out
yeah.
G
Like
I
can
say,
I
can
speak
from
experience
here,
like
a
lot
of
people
on
sort
of
the
comms
and
user
side
like
there
was
a
bit
of
a
Catch
22
of
like
well
we're
doing
all
this
stuff
sort
of
in
a
community
fashion
or
end
user
fashion
right.
But
it's
not
code
contribute.
You
know
it's
like
this
wasn't,
so
this
wasn't
necessarily
A
use
case
that
was
considered
when
the
membership
stuff
came
up
right.
G
B
I
think
Austin
again
just
to
be
clear:
we've
always
been
very
welcoming
of
everyone
working
in
the
on
the
community
side.
Oh.
G
That's
the
kind
of
output
I
would
like
here
is
that
we're
making
it
easier
for
people
to
prove
to
have
sustaining
contributions
and
not
having
work
just
get
lost
in
like
slack
chats
and
Google
Docs,
where
it's
not
visible
to
not
only
to
the
org,
but
also
to
like
their
employers.
If
their
employers
cared
about
such
things,.
H
Yeah
so
I
I
totally
agree
with
that.
But
I
think
this
discussion
should
happen
at
the
cncf
level,
because
our
source
of
information
is
Dev
stats
and
the
contributions
is
as
defined
in
devastates.
B
H
Totally
agree
that
you
know
docs
contributions
or
select
discussions,
or
you
know
things
like
that
should
be
counted
towards
contributions,
but
it's
it
should
really
be
part
of
the
same
self-defense.
G
Yeah,
maybe
a
good
thing
to
chat
about
something
I.
B
Think
it
might
be
worth
you
know,
creating
an
issue
actually
taking
that
up
to
the
cncf
in
terms
of
Hey
that
you
know
our.
We
have
a
very
large
project,
we're
very
you,
know
diverse
project,
and
it
can
we
actually
get
that
reflected
in
what
you
count
as
contribution.
H
Yeah
the
final
thing
that
I
have
to
share
about
the
election
is
we
had
a
bug
and
I
think
you
are
all
aware
of
this
bug
where
Dev
stats
produces
usernames
in
lowercase
only
and
when
we
upload
when
I
uploaded
this
file
to
Helios
and
people
log
in
they
handles
just
says,
you
know:
you're
not
allowed
to
vote
or
you're,
not
part
of
this
election
because
of
the
most
by
accident
and
the
casing
of
their
designs.
H
I'm
I'm,
trying
to
find
some
time
to
to
open
APR
on
on
Helios
to
you
know,
fix
this
or
to
start
a
discussion
there,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
care
about
that
on
the
next
election.
But
this
is
the
other
source
of
work
that
is
over.
Yeah
is
the
other
thing
that
I've
been
doing
for
the
past
few
days
is
basically
monitoring
slack
and
seeing
people
complain
directly
to
me,
you
know
I'm
not
able
to
do.
H
B
H
So
that's
but
that's,
but
it's
been
working,
I
think
about
I,
don't
know
10
15
people
perhaps
have
been
me
and
I've
been
fixing
them
as
soon
as
I
see
the
request
and
that's
fine
I.
B
Think
I'm
Jurassic
to
your
point.
Let's
already
is
on
it.
H
All
right
so
so
I
I
don't
know.
So
perhaps
someone
should
well
that's
true.
That's
a
job
for
SEO.
So
perhaps
someone
could
open
a
pure,
perhaps
me
or
or
lazy,
if
you
prefer
to
fix
that
so
that
we
don't
have
to
care
about
that
next
year.
C
F
C
F
H
F
H
This
is
something
that
I've
noted
down
for
me
to
discuss.
It
I
think
we
even
added
which
options
were
evaluated
in
the
past
and
something
to
evaluate
next
next
year.
H
D
B
I
have
them
Mario,
I.