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A
I
got
a
notice
that
says
we're
live
streaming
right
rates,
hi
everybody
thanks
for
tuning
in
this
is
the
openjs
Foundation
standards
working
group
meeting
on
this
beautiful
November
29th,
thanks
for
tuning
in
so
we
have
a
few
things
on
our
agenda
today.
If
you
wanted
to
ever
propose
an
item
for
our
agenda,
you
just
Mosey
on
over
to
github.com
open
dash,
open
JS,
Dash,
Foundation
standards
and
open
an
issue.
A
So
that's
where
we
we
get
these
items
and
then
also
sometimes
things
that
I.
Remember
that
I
wanted
to
tell
you
all
about
so
announcements.
We
want
to
say,
have
a
good
meeting
to
our
friends
at
the
tc39
meeting
in
Spain
this
week
for
those
who
are
attending
in
person
eat.
Lots
of
you
know
him
on
for
us
and
for
those
who
are
dialing
in
from
the
West
Coast
I
hope
that
it's
not
too
bad
for
you
Jordan.
A
Another
quick
announcement
is
that
on
December
13th,
the
Linux
Foundation
has
a
standards
related
webinar
that
we're
promoting
to
our
projects.
It's
on
antitrust.
A
If
you
can't
make
it
that
will
be
recorded,
let's
see
other
announcements,
I
guess
we
are
moving
into
the
so
do
check
calendars
for
your
your
events
as
it's
probable,
some
meetings
would
be
canceled
during
the
during
the
holiday
break
Robin,
you
got
the
announcements
for
us
too
yeah.
We.
B
We
are
partnering
with
the
fintech
foundation
at
the
LF
for
openjs
in
finance
next
week.
Many
of
us
are
speaking
so
that's
December,
8th
in
New
York.
If
you
go
to
the
Linux
Foundation
event,
page
you'll
find
open
source
and
finance
conference
and
then,
of
course
our
Twitter
has
been
promoting
all
of
our
great
speakers
so
love
to
have
you
there
if
you're,
if
you
can
make
it.
A
That's
December
the
8th
right
yeah
next.
A
I
love
that
conference,
because
it's
in
a
really
cool
venue
and
the
venue
space
is
like
this
theater
space
and
so
you'll
have
like
the
speakers
on
stage
and
the
stages
are
decorated
for,
like
whatever
show
is
going
on.
So
it
might
be
like
a
super.
Dramatic
talk
as
a
result
of
the
location,
so
a
great
great
event
and
looking
forward
to
seeing
Folks
at
at
the
finance
Summit
in
New
York
all
right,
any
other
announcements
that
we
need
to
come
up
with.
I.
Think
I.
B
Think
we
have
a
board
meeting
on
Friday
we're
just
coming
off
of
one
that
we
had
at
the
open
source,
the
Linux
Foundation
member
Summit,
but
we'll
just
be
working
on
approving
our
budget.
For
next
year
we
had
a
working
session
last
year.
B
No
big
changes,
except
for
next
year,
I
think
we're
going
to
be
co-locating
with
the
open
source
Summits
instead
of
doing
a
standalone
openjs.
So
those
are
kind
of
the
big
big
things.
A
You
also
reminded
me
that
ecmas
by
twice
yearly
one
of
their
twice
yearly,
General
Assembly
meetings
is
on
Tuesday,
I,
think
of
next
week,
Tuesday
or
Wednesday
of
next
week.
It's
at
like
three
in
the
morning,
though,
are
my
time.
So
that's
also
a
a
probably
there'll,
be
some
announcements
as
to
New
Management
for
next
year,
and
things
like
that,
and
that's
also
where
they
lock
in
lock
in
the
specs
for
2023,
so
cool
spend
times
at
the
end
of
the
year.
Isn't
it.
A
Ecmascript
yeah
and
there's
there's
some
other
other
standards
that
get
they
they
only
lock
in
the
specs
at
certain
generals.
Simply
so
we'll
see
what
what
gets
released
all
right.
That's
it
for
announcements,
I
assume,
so
we
will
move
into
the
to
the
meeting.
A
We
have
a
couple
of
open
pull
requests
to
add
some
members,
which
is
one
of
my
favorite
things,
have
an
open
pull
request
for
for
layout
and
for
Toby.
These
have
been
approved
by
many
folks
on
the
call
opened
for
21
days
and
yeah
non-uh
any
any.
Are
we
cool
to
merge
cool,
okay,
I'm
gonna?
Do
that
thumbs
up
all
the
way
around.
A
There
we
go
done
and
done.
We
welcome
Toby
and
Leia
as
full,
regular
members
of
our
working
group.
All
right
next
item,
so
we're
talking
a
little
bit
about
events
for
next
year.
As
everybody
probably
remembers,
we
made
a
calendar,
a
public
calendar
to
track
events
that
are
happening
in
2023
with
our
particularly
our
liaison
organization,
so
we're
helping,
hopefully
to
prevent
calendar
conflicts
that
arise
so
there's
just
a
general
reminder
to
help
us
make
sure
that
those
are
up
to
date.
A
A
Reproached
just
kidding
no
approach,
we've
been
approached,
I
heard
the
same
thing.
Oh
sorry,
that's!
Okay!
No!
Please.
A
Funny
way
to
say
that
we're
all
in
trouble
no
approached
by
some
folks
who
want
to
pull
together
a
a
workshop
on
security
for
web
application
developers
at
the
w3c
for
those
who
aren't
familiar
with
w3c
style
workshops.
These
are
generally
very
curated
and
conversation
driven
events.
A
So,
as
a
result,
these
aren't
big
conferences,
but
rather
100
people
or
less
even
gathering
together
to
discuss
you
know
specific
problem,
spaces
and
ways
in
which
either
open
source-
or
you
know,
Community
groups
or
technical
working
groups
at
the
w3c
might
might
respond
to
gaps
or
needs
and
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
A
So
this
is
led
by
Dan
applequist,
who
is
at
Snick,
and
his
is
the
tag
chair
for
w3c
and
he's
asked
us
to
see
if
there
are
some
books
from
openjs
Foundation
who
would
like
to
volunteer
to
serve
on
the
on
the
group
to
create
the
call
for
proposals
and
and
put
this
package
together.
So
request
is
simply
put
a
couple
of
names
from
our
community
who
would
be
interested
and
obviously
have
some
domain
expertise
to
be
able
to
either
author
some
proposals
or
to
review
proposals.
A
So
that
is,
you
know,
a
a
request,
and
so
we,
the
goal,
would
be
to
have
a
proposal
to
the
w3c
to
consider
about
just
after
the
first
of
the
year
and
then
we'd
work
out
the
timing
of
like
the
when,
where
that
kind
of
thing.
So
anyway,
that's
it.
That's
the
that's
the
long
and
the
short
of
it.
A
Of
the
group
that's
trying
to
propose
it's
not
really
a
group
like
it's.
It's
Dan
from
Dan
from
Snick,
slash,
w3c
Dom
from
w3c
crobe
from
open
ssf,
our
node
from
all
of
the
above.
So
it's
just
a
some
folks
are
kind
of
in
a
combo
of
w3c
standard
space,
plus
Security
Plus
web
Webby.
C
A
C
Happy
to
review
anything
I'm
consistently
skeptical
of
security
recommendations
for
web,
in
the
sense
that
they're
often
inconsistently
correct.
A
Yeah
I
can
share
in
in
our
slack
actually
I'll
do
that
after
this
call.
C
A
I,
don't
want
to
go,
dig
it
up,
but
it's
just
a
I
think
the
group
has
met
a
couple
of
times
to
to
discuss
and
the
possibility
and
now
they
want.
They
want
to
open
a
open
conversations
up
with
more
folks
and
certainly
want
our
group
at
the
table.
So.
A
All
right,
so
if
you
think
that
you
might
be
interested
in
that,
let's
let
us
know
in
the
standards
Channel
and
we
will
get
you
info,
so
you
can
think
about
participating
and
helping
out
it's
interesting
and
then
oh
and
then
Robin
are
briefly
mentioned
in
the
announcements.
We
want
to
do
we're
doing
smaller
events
in
2023.
So
one
of
the
questions
to
our
group
will
be.
A
Do
we
want
to
potentially
ask
for
some
space
at
one
of
these
smaller
co-locations
to
have
a
standards
working
group
meeting
in
person
as
part
of
a
summit
or
something.
B
And
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
conference,
we
had
this
year,
we
had
two
or
three
tracks,
depending
on
the
day
and
one
almost
an
entire
day
was
sort
of
Standards
related
content.
The
way
we
curated
that
we'll
have
fewer
speaking
slots
this
year,
we'll
have
15,
which
is
still
significant.
But
the
question
is:
do
you
want
to
have
your
own
like
a
collab
Summit
only
in
the
standards
kind
of
space
or
or
something
else.
A
I
would
I
I'm
Keen
to
see
us
do
something
I
think
it'll
kind
of
depend
on
what,
but
what
we're
able
to
kind
of
get
done
at
the
beginning
of
the
end
of
this
year,
slash
beginning
of
next
year
and
kind
of
where
some
of
the
projects
and
things
that
are
happening
are
falling,
but
I
thought
the
the
standards
track
at
openjs
world
was
a
was
a
great
great
resource
and
I'd
love
to
you
know
repeat
that
in
some
way,
maybe
we
can,
if
it's
not
part
of
the
event,
maybe
it's
something
that
we
do
on
a
more
ongoing
basis.
B
A
Summits
not
I
mean
there'll,
be
some
stuff
that
we
do,
which
is
like
Ultra,
broad,
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
Niche.
A
You
know
more
more
specific,
more
specifically
relevant
to
this
population,
so
like
like
they'll,
be
we've
got
these
tactical
things
like
the
antitrust
training,
I
think
is
applicable
to
anybody
working
in
any
standards
project,
but
then
there'll
be
stuff,
like
the
community
specification
webinar
that
we
just
did
is
relevant
to
open
source
people
who
want
to
do
a
project
but
not
necessarily
relevant
a
hundred
percent
to
the
web
standards
community,
so
I
think
there's
a
there's
lots
of
room
to
to
make
more
specific
resources
and
materials
as
we
are
with
the
with
the
concise
guide,
cool
cool
and
then
the
last
thing
that's
calendar
related
is
you
know,
hey
it's
nearly
the
holidays,
which
is
hard
to
believe.
A
It's
like
five
more
weekends
until
next
year,
my
eyes
get
really
big,
so
December
27th,
meeting
I
think
is
for
sure
canceled,
and
my
next
question
to
this
group
is
if
we
will
have
a
quorum
for
December,
13
or
if
people
are
taking
off
earlier
or
you
know
yeah.
A
So
maybe
let
us
know
you
know
if
you
plan
to
attend
or
plan
to
be
absent
rather
on
December
13th,
so
we
can
make
a
call
early
to
keep
or
cancel
that
that
session
yeah
all
right,
I
think
that's
ever
calendar
related
anything
else
about
calendars.
C
A
It's
cool
all
right,
then.
That
brings
us
to
I.
Think
the
main
course
if
you
will,
and
that
is
the
concise
guide.
Let
me
pull
that
up
because
it
shows
I
do
not
have
it
open
on
this
machine.
Dagnabbit.
A
C
B
A
Yep
got
it
got
it
got
it
so
I
think
Leia
was
going
to
grab
for
us,
but
I'm,
just
double
checking
here
that
she
doesn't
appear
to
have
had
a
chance
to
get
to
it,
but
she
she'd,
given
us
a
approximately
two
week
or
yeah
a
little
bit
longer
time
lead
time
that
she
needed
to
pull
some
examples
from
the
CSS
working
group,
specifically
to
kind
of
pad
pad
this.
With
with
something
tangible.
A
And
we
wanted
to
add
a
a
slow
chart
of
sorts.
It
looks
like:
does
anybody
anybody
handy
with
the
visuals,
maybe
want
to
do
something
graphical
foreign.
A
A
Yeah
yeah,
you
guys
do
not
want
my
design
work,
but
I
could
we
could
do
a
just
do
like
a
rough.
A
B
A
A
I
could
dab
at
that
I,
don't
mind,
and
then
you
know
I
also,
once
we
kind
of
tighten
this
up
a
little
bit.
I'd
love
to
have
some
friends
at
mdn
too
see
if
they
have
some
contribution
that
they
would
add
to
this
as
well
as
folks
who
do
a
lot
of
technical
writing.
A
B
A
Yeah
so
so
I
can
share
this
with
actually
I'll.
Do
that
right
now
and
get
their
thoughts
and
do
that
right,
meow.
A
All
right,
I
mean
just
drop
this
into
a
slack
note
with
them:
okay,
friends,.
A
Right
so
so,
Robin
from
like
a
obviously
we
need
to
to
polish
this,
to
you
know
not
ready
for
publication
today,
but
in
terms
of
timing
and
kind
of
being
able.
When
would
you
like
to
see
us
launch.
A
B
A
Great
yeah
I
mean
just
looking
at
they.
They
say
that
really
by
the
15th
is
sort
of
the
last
yeah
kind
of
moment
where,
before
the
end
of
the
year,
you
want
to
get
things
out
before
then,
or
also
people
miss
it
because
of
they're
out
of
office
or
they're
whatever
so,
okay,
after
start
of
the
year,
yeah
good
deal.
A
Yeah
so
oh,
this
was
a
reminder
Leia's
out
today,
but
she
just
reminded
us
that
the
tag
election
is
open
to
to
vote.
I.
Think
we
already
voted
I,
don't
actually
know
that
so
I
will.
We
did
a
vote
recently,
so
I'll
go
double
checking
I
think
we
voted
so
we'll
be
announcing
I
suppose
soon.
A
Anybody
who,
who
was
selected
from
the
w3c
election
I,
think
we'll
also
may
have
some
friends
who
are
going
to
be
serving
in
leadership
roles
at
ekma
that
will
be
announced
at
their
meeting
next
week,
and
so
this
is
also
sort
of
another
good
moment
in
time
for
you
to
think
about
your
affiliations
and
your
participation
in
different
groups
for
next
year.
A
If
you
want
to
consider
being
an
openjs
representative
to
one
of
our
liaison
orgs,
let
us
let
us
know
thanks
for
the
reminder,
Leia
well
times
cool
is
there
any
other
I
mean
we
kind
of
rocketed
through
today,
which
is
great
I
love
an
efficient
meeting,
but
also
want
to
make
space
for
any
other
business
that
the
group
may
have
today.
D
We
we
said
we
would
check
on
the
statuses
of
a
b
nominations
and
see
if
we
wanted
to
to
make
any.
There
are
five
people
already.
In
my
opinion,
that's
a
good
it's.
So
anyway,
there
will
be
a
there
will
be
an
election.
There's
some.
You
know
great
great
candidates
like
Wendy
Reed
contact,
Chalik
elekatamad,
somebody
from
China,
oh
yeah,
Mike,
Pro,
Rock,
who's
really
stepped
up
on
the
AC
lately,
so
I
don't
feel
any
need
to
compete
with
any
of
them.
D
I
mean
I
was
one
time.
I
was
thinking
if
we
got
some
we'll
name
names,
but
some
people
who
I
thought
would
not
want
to
see
on
there
just
slip
in
without
being
elected,
but
that's
not
the
case.
D
There
there's
definitely
going
to
be
an
election.
There
are
some
good
candidates.
I
see
no
reason
for
us
to
beat
the
bushes
or
twist
your
arm,
Jody
Jory,.
A
A
Yeah,
so
those
sound
like
really
good
candidates,
so
I
guess
we'll
be
casting
a
ballot
soon
for.
D
Yeah
we
can,
we
can
talk-
and
you
know
next
time
about
who
who
we
want
to
actually
vote
for,
but
it's
one
of
those
it's
hard
to
rank.
It's
going
to
be
hard
hard
to
rank
peoples,
but
there's
some
really
obvious
yeah
people
who
are
well
aligned
with
our
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
so
so
I'm
happy,
I'm,
happy
I'm
nobody's
twisting
my
arm
to
run
since
I.
Don't
get
paid
to
do
that
anymore,
yeah
I,
don't
know
we
Toby
was
looking
for
sponsors,
I
presume
he
hasn't
gotten
any.
A
That
is
one
of
those,
and
you
know
I
think
that
I
think
the
a
b
is
a
great
example
of
how
useful
a
group
is
and
in
open
source
and
can
be
right
and
they're,
not
they're
not
paid
right.
That's
a
like
almost
another.
Those
folks
really
dedicate
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
to
w3c
community
and
process
and
helping
the
working
groups
and
it's
hard
work.
It's
not
always.
You
know.
D
Yeah
back
in
the
day,
Microsoft
paid
me
to
spend.
You
know
a
very
good
chunk
of
my
time
at
that,
but
they
they
laid
off
everybody.
Who
ever
did
that
kind
of
work
in
the
last
couple
years
so
or
or
allowed
to
retire?
D
So
but
yeah,
it's
just
not
a
well.
It's
partly
the
rise
of
Open
Source
you
can,
you
could
have
Microsoft's
calculation
was
they
could
have
a
bigger
economic,
bigger
technical
impact
for
the
for
the
salary
Dollar
by
contributing
Engineers,
who
would
Drive
implementations
rather
than
you
know,
project
managers
who
would
drive
specifications
so.
A
Well,
I
I
hear
you
that
it's
the
pendulum
is
going
to
swing
back
the
other
way.
But
that's
maybe
you
know
not
yeah.
B
D
But
yeah
for
the
last
couple
years
it's
been
hard
to
find
peop
big
companies
who
want
to
pay.
You
know
the
senior
salary,
senior
level
salaries.
You
know
quarter
time
or
whatever
to
to
to
do
this
kind
of
work.
A
So
here's
another
interesting
guide
we
could
make
you
just
you
just
made
me
think
of
this.
Like
maybe
for
our
next
guide,
we
could
do
a
concise
guide
to
like
careers
in
open
source
and
Open
Standards,
like
I.
Think.
D
D
One
again,
you
say
it's:
it's
periodic
I
mean
15
years
ago,
when
I
was
just
getting
started
at
Microsoft
there
was
a
standards,
career
Trek,
you
know,
and
that
somehow
evaporated
and
then
there's
just
nobody
who's
who's
doing
that
work
anymore.
As
far
as
I
know,.
D
Yeah
so
we'll
be
ready
for
the
next
right
swing
of
the
pendulum.
Yeah
I
mean
it
does
make
a
lot
of
sense
that
when,
if
there's
only
one
implementation
of
a
spec,
because
it's
just
it
it's
in
an
open
in
an
open
source
project,
then
it
makes
sense
for
the
you
know,
collaboration
to
be
about
what
it's
supposed
to
what
the
code
is
supposed
to
do,
not
how
the
code
you
know
actually
operates
so
I
can
I
can
easily
see
this
swinging
back.
A
Yeah
and
I
I
think
it
will
so,
let's
make
a
guide
for
the
folks
who
want
to
do
a
you
know,
a
career
track,
and
you
know
and
I
think
also
the
like.
The
the
careers
in
open
source
is
another
thing:
that's
shifted
slightly
where
before
I
think
at
least
when
I
kind
of
grew
up
on
on
this.
A
It
was
the
case
that
there
were
a
lot
of
small
agencies
like
the
company
that
I
worked
at
doing
open
source
and
maintaining
open
source
projects
like
grunt,
as
both
a
Open
Source
service,
but
also
you
know,
is
a
part
of
like
you
know
our
business
and
I
think
that's
not
as
common
anymore,
a
pattern
so
sort
of
interesting
how
that's
shifting
well.
A
Yeah
I
I
would
say,
like
a
Galia
was
one
of
those
that
sort
of
made
it
yeah,
that
kind
of,
and
that
has
grown
so
it
and
they,
but
they
did
it
I
think
by
really
focusing
on
the
niche
open
source
like
browser
engine
compiler.
D
That's
a
good
point:
they
they
looked
for
what
the
gaps
between
the
the
implementations
are
and
said:
hey,
we'll
happily
fill
them
for
x,
amount
of
money
and
people
stepped
up
to
to
to
do
that.
To
get
you
know,
features
written
for
Safari
or
whatever
you
know,
I.
B
Think
there'd
be
a
lot
of
interest.
I
blogged
about
this.
After
my
Grace
Hopper
experience
working
the
booth
on
the
floor,
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
know
how
to
use
open
source
Technologies,
but
not
no.
They
don't
know
how
the
sausage
is
made
right
and
the
consensus
model
and
the
collaboration
piece.
It's
just
you
know
just
not
really
it's
not
what
they're
taught
I
talked
to
some
of
the
professors
on
the
on
the
ground
as
well.
They
don't
really
teach
that
at
computer
science,
universities
either.
D
A
It
was
made
it
that
reminds
me
of
a
book
that
I've
started
to
read,
bring.
A
The
club
in
2023
it's
it's
kind
of
an
old
book,
it's
democratizing
Innovation
by
Eric,
Von
hippel
and
it
kind
of
gets
to
it's.
So
it's
it's,
maybe
like
10
years
old
at
this
point,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
the
ideas
about
how
open
source
and
Open
Standards
sort
of
Drive
like
Democratic
Cooperative
Innovation
is
really
really
good.
A
C
A
Yeah
Luke's
just
got
it
in
there
so
right
so:
okay,
that's
I,
think
it
for
I
mean
this
is
definitely
the
end
of
the
agenda
because
now
I'm
talking
about
books
that
I
read
so
anything
else
before
we
conclude
for
today,
if
not
we'll
see
everybody
on
on
the
standard
select
and
and
at
our
December
13
meeting.
Unless
folks,
let
us
know
that
you
won't
be
able
to
make
it
yeah
all
right.