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B
We're
live
welcome.
Everyone
today
is.
B
B
Let's
see
if
you
all
want
to
jump
in
to
the
agenda
for
on
our
repo,
we
have
a
few
things
and
I've
missed
the
last
two.
So
I'm
going
to
count
on
you
all
to
bring
me
up
to
speed
issue
number
191,
the
public
calendar
for
the
web
standards.
Group
meetings
is
available.
B
If
you're
all
have
added
it
to
yours,
but
it's
a
good
way
to
sort
of
air
traffic
control.
What's
going
on
and
to
track
things.
C
B
No
questions
comments.
We've
got
a
reminder.
So,
let's
move
on
the
concise
guide
to
participating
in
web
standards
work
in
progress,
Michael
Champion.
Do
you
want
to
give
us
an
update
on
this,
since
I
had
missed
that
one
that
working
session.
E
Well,
we
we
discussed
this.
What
months,
six
weeks
ago,
the
last
time
we
we
met,
there
were
some.
There
were
some
good
I
I
had
put
out
a
sort
of
total
total
straw
man
that
people
critiqued
you.
E
Gave
some
good
critiques
of
and
suggested
sort
of
a
different
Focus
or
do
different
sort
of
structure,
and
we
threw
out
some
some
questions
one.
You
know
I
found
a
bug.
How
do
I
know
if
it's
a
standard,
the
implementation,
the
docs
are
something
else
and
then
I
have
a
feature
idea
request
for
for
the
web
platform
where
do
I
go,
and
so
so
anyway,
those
those
two
we
we
agreed
at
the
last
meeting.
E
Where
were
you
know
real
questions
that
people
would
would
ask,
and
that's
the
kind
of
thing
we're
trying
to
answer
in
here.
So
at
some
point,
in
the
last
month,
I
tried
to
flesh
that
out
with
some
text,
I
haven't
seen
much
in
the
way
of
critiques
or
or
further
edits,
but
I
pasted
the
Euro
to
the
document
we're
working
in
in
chat.
E
So
you
know
either
now
or
asynchronously.
You
know
suggest.
My
sense
is
that
my
prose
is
two
verbose
and
needs
to
be.
You
know,
trimmed
down
to
be
more
concise,
guideish
I,
you
know,
yeah
I,
think
that's
just
having
somebody
else
take
a
stab
at
that
would
probably
be
be
helpful
anyway.
E
I'm
not
trying
to
be
the
benevolent
dictator
of
this
document,
even
though
that's
kind
of
the
way
it
looks
at
the
moment,
but
you
know
I'm
I'm
happy
to
keep
doing
the
work
since
I
don't
have
a
day
job,
but
you
know
I
would
definitely
appreciate
some
some
feedback.
You
know
better.
You
know
more
questions
better
answer
to
these
questions.
B
B
G
E
I
mean
you
know:
Google
Docs
has
a
has
a
his
has.
You
know
edit
history
so
feel
free
to
go
in
and
and
edit
it,
even
if
you
throw
away
something
it
can
be
recovered
or
we
could
put
this
into
GitHub
and
and
have
issues
on
it
if
we
wanna
I'm,
not
sure
why
we
are
doing
it
in
Google
Docs
rather
than
GitHub,
but
so
as
the
de
facto
editor
I'd
say,
you
know
whatever
works
for
you
as
long
as
it's
in
writing.
E
So
either
issues
in
the
there
is
a
GitHub
issue
in
it.
We
could,
you
know
we
could
put
comments
or
comments
or
editorial
suggestions
in
the
document,
but
I
would
say
just
go
ahead
and
edit
it,
especially
if
it's
wordsmithing.
G
E
I
I
agree
with
that:
workflow
I
don't
have
a
good
sense
of
what
the
maturity
level
is.
I've
just
been
kind
of
doing
this,
as
well
like
I,
said
because
I
don't
have
a
day
job
and
nobody
else
needs
to
have
picked
it
up
and
run
with
it.
E
Yeah
I
know
so
I
mean
the
first.
The
first
iteration
got
some
some
pushback.
You
know
that
hey
these
aren't
really
questions
that
real
web
developers
care
about
and
we
sort
of
we
reworked
it
anyway.
E
E
Well,
are
people
looking
at
it,
I
mean
do
we
want
to
just
sort
of
so
I
found
a
bug?
How
do
I
know
if
it's
a
standard,
the
implementation,
the
Dax,
is
something
else.
E
B
G
B
H
B
C
G
G
Think
people
are
lost
even
in
how
in
even
in
which
spec
they're.
The
feature
in
question
is
in
like
how
do
I
find
the
right
spec
like
even
that
question
is
non-trivial.
It
seems
trivial
to
us
if
we've
been
in
standards
for
a
while,
but
actually
even
to
me,
like
it's
not
always
obvious,
which
spec
contains
each
each
feature
so
I
would
say.
G
Probably
the
first
step
is
to
look
up
the
feature
itself
like
on
mdn,
which
often
links
with
spec
contains
it
and
then
like
go
to
the
spec
through
that,
like
at
least
to
me.
That
is
how
I
I
find
like
which
spec
contains
it's
each
feature
like
mdn
seems
to
be
the
best
source
for
that.
G
E
So,
oh,
so
the
the
how
to
read
it
we
had
did
we
have
we
had
a
heart.
How
do
we
redispect.
C
B
We
actually
have
Jordan
I,
believe
we
recorded
your
Workshop.
We
have
that
on
openjs
world
I
have
to
check
the
YouTube
channel,
but
we
could
also
link
back
to
that.
D
D
E
E
And
then,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
convinced
that
the
language
of
the
spec
is
not
either
unambiguous
or
doesn't
match
what
my
implementation,
you
know
browser
Library,
whatever
does
then
I,
then
my
at
the
at
some
point
you
find
you
find
the
bug
database
associated
with
a
spec
to
see
if
anybody's
reported
is
that.
Does
that
make
sense.
D
C
D
A
browser
or
okay
or
node
or
Deno
or
right
and
then
like
the
first
thing,
would
be.
Does
the
feature
you're
using
also
exist
on
browsers
or
if
you're
in
a
browser
also
exist
in
node
or
data
or
whatever.
If
it
exists
across
things,
then
it's
either
part
of
the
HTML
spec
or
part
of
the
JavaScript
spec.
If
it
exists
only
in
the
environment
you're
in
then
right
like
if
you're
in
a
browser,
then
it
might
be
the
browser
spec,
but
it
that
defines
it,
but
it
in
order.
D
And
then,
if
you
want
to
figure
out,
if
your
browser
is
broken,
try
it
in
another
browser
right
and
like
so.
You
kind
of
have
all
these
debugging
steps
to.
Assuming
that
you
don't
know
where
your
the
source
of
Truth,
for
your
thing
is
right
because,
like
it's
I,
don't
know
it's
just
it's
somewhat
complex,
because
then
you
have
things
like
set
timeout,
which
are
part
of
the
HTML
spec.
D
D
So
I
like
I,
just
I,
think
that
if
we
want
to
provide
simple
instructions,
then
I
think
we
would
have
to
start
with
first
you've.
Let's
assume
you've
already
figured
out
that
the
thing
you're
looking
at
is
a
JavaScript
language
feature
go
here
if
you've
already
figured
it
out.
It's
a
web
browser
feature
go
here
right,
but
the
the
steps
of
how
to
figure
it
out
are
I.
Think
relatively
complex
and
environment.
Specific.
E
I'll
stop
talking
in
circles,
yeah
yeah!
Well,
so
maybe
there
isn't
a
concise
answer:
I
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
anyway
I'm
just
trying
to
execute
the
will
of
the
community
or
not.
C
G
How
do
you
look
up
like
the
whole
process,
like
you
know
how
finding
what
spec
it
is
finding
whether
this
is
actually
in
the
spec
or
if
it's
a
browser,
bug
reporting
the
bug,
if
it's
actually
a
browser
bug
which
that
one
is
finding
whether
it's
already
reported
like
you
know,
maybe
that's
not
a
good
example,
but
like
taking
some
actual
thing
from
like
start
to
finish
and
describing
each
step
might
make
this.
The
the
everything
seem
a
bit
a
little
bit
more
concrete.
H
Gonna,
chime
in
here
and
and
plant
an
animal
identification
there's
like
a
process
called
dichotomous
key,
and
it's
a
series
of
questions
like
this.
That
you'd
ask
you're
like
does
it
have
three
leaves?
Does
it
have
two
leaves,
does
it
have
and
it
helps
you
you
know
get
to
identifying
what
the
biology
is,
but
I'm
imagining
there
could
be
a
similar
type
of
schema
here.
D
But
that's
what
I
meant
about
like
the
the
first
steps
of
the
flow
chart
are,
are
many
and
complex
so
like
if
we
want
to
start
from
the
end
like
from
the
destinations
of
the
flowchart,
then
like
we
can
get
a
lot
of
things
covered
before
we
get
into
the
complex
Parts,
but
it
is
unfortunately
just
a
very
complex
reality.
If
you
don't
understand,
if
you
don't
understand
anything
about
your
problem
and
you're,
trying
to
figure
out
what
your
problem
is,
that
that
is
a
daunting
task.
E
I'm
not
I,
certainly
can't
commit
the
time
and
don't
have
the
expertise
to
really
do
a
credible
job
of
you
know.
Some
of
this.
You
know
untangling
the
complexity,
so
I
don't
know.
Maybe
two
weeks
is
Well
published
in
two
weeks
is
may
or
may
not
be
feasible,
for
you
know
the
kind
of
work
we're
talking
about
here,
but
that
would
be
a
very
iterative
Community
process
to.
E
E
Yeah
I
think
we
would
probably
want
the
document
a
little
more
so
the
goal
of
in
two
weeks
having
the
document
be
able
to
a
place
where
hey
we've
got
kind
of
this.
This
first
first
attempt
and
we
really
need
your
help
on
you
know.
You
know
what
kind
of
problems
you're
having
and
you
know
what
kind
of
things
could
a
document
like
this
help
you
with
yeah.
C
F
C
E
I'm
snowed
in
maybe
anyway,
I'm
happy
to
do
the
the
mechanical
work,
but
I'm,
just
not
in
this
world's
day-to-day
enough
anymore,
to
to
really
have
a
good
sense
of
what
the
target
audience
needs
and
what
technical
depth
of
answers
they
would.
They
would
be.
They
would
find
helpful.
B
G
B
E
B
So
next
up
submit
Foundation
ballot
for
w3c
Board
election
I
do
know
that
happened.
Yeah.
B
B
Community
Fund
Luke
is
actually
working
on
at
least
the
reimbursement
process
for
Community
Fund,
which
is
a
little
clunky
across
our
cross
project,
Council
and
lives
in
a
few
different
places.
For
any
of
you
who
have
traveled
on
behalf
of
the
foundation,
you've
all
experienced
our
clunky
process.
B
D
You
know
ticket
or
similar
transportation
to
the
event
right
like
just
and
like
keep
the
dollar
amount
roughly
out
of
it,
but
just
because
it's
always
going
to
be
like
all
of
us
can
just
pull
up
like
Travelocity
or
Google
or
whatever,
and
look
for
flights
and
then
be
like
yeah.
That's
in
the
ballpark
and
so
like
it
might
be
nicer
to
just
say:
have
us
say:
yes,
go
ahead
and
buy
your
ticket
and
then
when
they
put
the
amount
we
can,
then
they
can
update
it.
C
D
H
F
B
I
think
just
linking
the
standards
I
mean
the
standards
is
part
of
the
Cross
project
Council,
but
the
CPC
already
had
done
some
work
on
just
eligibility
right
criteria
in
which
I
put
a
link
active
participant
of
one
of
the
projects
or
groups
and
then
again
there's
the
process.
That's
the
clunky.
B
You
see
our
standards
participation
applications
it's
blank
when
probably
you
all
are
looking
at
the
same
thing.
I'm
looking
at
it
probably
is
very
similar
to
the
collaborators
applications
and
that's
maybe
we
need
to
Define
if
that's
the
same
or
different,
because
this
whoops
the
chat
did
go
through
it's
weird
there
we
go.
G
F
B
B
D
B
I
didn't
know
this
person,
but
the
collab
space
had
recommended
this
person
for
travel,
so
we're
seeing
it
kind
of
pop
up
around
our
community
spaces.
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
problem,
we
need
to
fix
the
CPC
level
or
make
a
recommendation
from
each
working
group,
but
I
would
sort
of
tend
to
think
that
each
sort
of
working
group
or
collab
space
would
make
a
recommendation
on
who
they
want
to
send
and
support.
C
E
So
a
concrete
scenario:
the
the
four
w3c
Advisory
board
members
who
were
elected
to
the
board
of
directors
are
all
resigning
from
The
Advisory
Board,
and
there
will
presumably
be
a
special
election
to
fill
their
seats.
I
mean
it's
it's
quite
plausible
that
somebody
in
our
community.
E
You
know
I,
think
Jory
and
Brian
have
declined
I'm
available
in
principle,
but
you
know
so
many
more
are
active
in
the
you
know
in
you
know,
trying
to
drive
an
agenda
like
the
relationship
between
the
the
JavaScript
open
source
community
and
the
the
standards
Community
I
I
think
would
be
a
a
great
candidate
there
so
anyway,
but
assuming
so,
would
that
say
one
of
us
got
elected
to
the
Advisory
Board.
Would
we
basically
just
to
apply
for
reimbursement
on
a
case-by-case
basis?
E
With
the
you
know,
standards
working
group
kind
of
designate.
This
person
is
I'm
kind
of
like
we
did
with
Leah.
As
somebody
who
is,
you
know,
rep
representing
Us
in
some
sense
or
or
you
know
being
sponsored
by
us.
What
would
the
the
kind.
C
B
It's
where
I
think
it's
nice
to
have
its
own
section,
because
I
think
it's
with
the
CPC
it's
on
a
case-by-case
and
you
have
to
get
you're
supposed
to
get
pre-approved,
although
it's
confusing,
but
if
you're.
If
somebody
has
a
year,
the
standards
working
group,
for
example,
could
say
no
we're
going
to
fund
somebody
for
the
year
right,
and
so
then
they
can
just
be
reimbursed
it's
different
than
a
community
person
going
to
speak
at
an
event
or
participate
in
a
collab
Summit,
so
yeah.
G
F
C
E
Organization
but
but
yeah
the
there
would
be
an
assumption
that
that
the
that
that
it's
approved.
B
B
But,
as
you
can
see,
the
the
work
that
the
CPC
did
on
on
eligibility
criteria
again
I
want
you
all
to
determine
how
you
would
require
how
you
would
determine
the
eligibility
criteria
also
know
that
we
do
have
Dei
scholarships
as
well,
so
there's
always
room
for
that
and
all
of
our
working
groups
and
collab
spaces.
C
A
B
A
B
H
Yeah
I've
mentioned
that,
so
it's
funny,
you
know
it,
you
send
emails,
and
then
you
get
back
replies
that
are
a
little
bit
different
than
like
what
you
actually
asked.
So
I've
mentioned
many
times
like
hey.
You
know,
here's
that
same
link
that
you
just
shared
with
these
LFX
documentation
that
was
worked
on
and
what
I've
gotten
back
was.
H
For
them
to
be
a
user
is
kind
of
what
I
got
from
jewelry
said:
that's
why
we
weren't
using
it
because
they
would
have
to
be
an
official
user,
so
it
I'll
have
a
meeting,
probably
after
we
get
back
from
the
member
Summit
to
Hash
it
out,
but
there's
lots
of
ideas
in
these
threads
and
just
trying
to
bring
it
together
but
seems
like
right
now.
They
want
us
to
use
build.com
for
this,
but
you
know,
maybe
maybe
the
back
end.
B
G
G
Right,
but
if,
if
you
submit
an
invoice,
I
mean
I'm,
not
a
tax
expert,
so
I
might
be
wrong.
But
my
my
impression
is
that
if
you
submit
an
invoice,
then
it's
basically
a
tax
wise
registered
as
income.
And
then,
when
you
do
your
taxes,
you
can
also
like
list
the
same
receipts
as
expenses
and
have
that
deduct
have
that
deducted.
But
with
the
current
process,
it's
basically
a
reimbursement
from
the
get-go.
G
So
you
don't
even
have
to
like
declare
it
as
income,
because
it's
not
income,
it's
a
reimbursement
and
for
the
folks
that
are
in
the
US
on
their
visa
listing
things
as
income
and
then
subtracting
from
them
is
a
problem
like
I've
done
it
for
other
reimbursements.
Like
you
know,
Boku
was
co-funding.
My
travel
and
Boku
required
an
invoice,
but
it
always
makes
me
a
little
bit
worried
and
I.
G
I
know
that
this
is
the
case
with
like
most
people
that
are
here
on
a
work
visa,
because
it's
oh
well
work
or
student
visa
has
the
same
restrictions
because
like
if
at
some
point
in
the
future,
like
users
might
desire
to,
might
might
decide
to
look
too
closely
to
your
tax
returns
and
say.
Why
do
you
have
all
this
income
from
U.S
Source
companies,
because
that's
not
technically
allowed
well.
G
So
my
understanding
is,
there
are
two
ways
for
a
company
that
pays
that
reimburses
you
to
do
it
one
way,
it's
basically
a
reimbursement
from
the
get-go
and
you
don't
have
to
declare
it
as
income.
The
other
way
is
you
invoice
them
and
then
they
pay
they
pay
it
the
same
as
any
regular
invoice,
and
in
that
case
you
have
to
declare
it
as
income
and.
D
We
should
not
be
reimbursing
people's
expenses
in
such
a
way
that
it's
considered
income
like
we
can
absolutely
use
something
that
that
takes
receipts
and
validates
them
right,
but,
like
yeah
I
mean
I
I
think
that
I
feel
like
those
are
that's
an
important
concern
that
should
be
distinct
from
the
vendor
that
we
use
to
manage
this
stuff
or
the
website
we
used
to
manage
this
stuff
is
that
we
should
definitely
not
be
paying
it
out
as
income.
D
That
I
mean
that
that
also
would
have
an
issue
for
U.S
citizens
as
well,
because
that
affects
our
our
taxes
too.
So,
like
I,
think
I,
don't
think
you'll
find
anyone
who
wants
that
to
be
treated
as
income,
so
I'm
on
board
with
that
as
a
concern
I
just
I
would
be
suspicious.
I
would
be
surprised
if
bill.com
uniquely
created
that
problem.
G
G
B
G
There
is
actually
something
yeah,
so
tag
nominations
end
next
week,
November
8th,
so
I
wasn't
sure
what
I
should
do
like
who
I
should
ask
if,
like
does
openjs,
want
to
nominate
me
again,
like
should
I
open
an
issue
somewhere.
G
It
was
Brian
Cardell
that
opened
it
I
think
really.
C
G
G
I
think
so
I
mean
it's
a
lot
of
work
and
it's
a
lot
of
unpaid
work,
but
also
I
think
it's
important
work
that
needs
doing
so.
I
I
decided.
If,
if
I
can
find
support,
then
I'm
willing
to
run
again.
E
I'm
getting
beating
the
bushes
for
support
as
she
did
yeah
when
she
was
on
the
ab
s.
B
You
know
I
was
looking
for
that
issue
as
well.
B
B
G
G
Maybe
I
could
ask
Brian.
Maybe
he
remembers
where
this
was
posted.
A
G
B
B
B
F
B
G
Yeah,
open
JS
Foundation
just
links
to
the
home
page.
There
was
my
statement
from
last
year,
not
last
year.
Two
years
ago,.
G
B
It's
good
old
slack
search,
let's
see,
I,
think
that's
it.