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Description
It's been a few weeks, but we're back and ready to dig into the news we heard at Kubecon and Red Hat Summit. Many announcements revolved around lowering the barrier to entry for Kubernetes. At Kubecon we heard more about Kubernetes as the Control Plane for the Hybrid Cloud with Clayton Coleman's keynote, there were interesting sessions on CronJob API and a ton of talks on Helm. Red Hat Summit 2021 had many OpenShift announcements around API management, Apache Kafka and Red Hat OpenShift Data Science. We also had GitOps Con and Kubernetes on Edge Day. If you missed any of the sessions, now is your chance to catch up. Join us to discuss all the things and what everything could mean for the open source community at large.
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A
Good
morning
good
afternoon,
good
evening
and
welcome
to
another
edition
of
the
level
up
hour
here
on
openshift
tv,
I
am
chris
short
executive
producer
of
openshift
tv
host
with
the
most
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
I
am
joined
by
the
illustrious
langdon
white.
How
are
you
doing
langen's
been
a
while
yeah.
B
It
has
been
a
while,
you
know,
I'm
glad.
I
still
you
know,
warrant
the
illustrious.
Despite
my
lack
of
hair,
you
know
and
beard
I
have
so
maybe
it
is
really
just
me
and
not
my
samson,
you
know
experiential
or
whatever
yeah,
so
we've
had
a
a
few
weeks
off.
You
know
it's
it's
kind
of
hard.
We
got
to
figure
out.
I
think
we
need
to
rethink
how
we're
doing
our
interactions
with
these
conferences.
B
If
we
possibly
can
you
know
not
only
because
I
hate
having
the
hiatus
but
also
because
you
know,
I
think
we
could
like
integrate
better
on
the
flip
side.
I
think
it's
gonna
be
it
would
be
like
whatever
we
did.
I
think
it
would
be
a
lot
of
work,
especially
for
you.
You
know,
with
all
the
other
shows
you're
doing
but
yeah
yeah.
So
I
got
some
cool
new
contact
lenses
and
I
got
a
haircut.
B
B
But
you
know
what
I
don't
know
why
they
didn't
think
about
this,
but
I
was
like
yeah,
but
I
put
it
on
or
I
try
to
put
it
on
when
I'm
like
near
people
right,
because
you
know
kids
aren't
vaccinated
right,
because
you
know
you
still
have
a
five
percent
or
whatever
it
is
chance
of
you
know
getting
it
and
all
that
stuff
and
it's
like
I'd.
Rather,
you
know
I'd
rather
still
shoot
for
some
safety,
cautious,
yeah.
A
B
A
B
Oh
yeah,
what
is
going
on
right
right?
One
thing.
I
also
point
out,
I
heard
a
really-
and
you
know
it's
kind
of
a
teaser
for
the
rest
of
this
episode
and
I
feel
like
I've
seen
it
written
before.
I'm
not
sure
anybody
has
said
it
before,
but
I
was
watching
one
of
the
cncf
recaps
of
kubecon
and
one
of
the
you
know
and
they
introduce
everybody
on
the
panel.
B
A
B
B
Fall
into
play
there
right
right,
I
actually
got
like
I
got
a
speaking
to
in
an
early
job,
because
I
was
not
answering
the
phone
with
the
right.
You
know
good
morning
versus
good
afternoon
kind
of
thing,
and
it's
like
I
have
a
hard
time
figuring
out
when
those
lines
are
supposed
to
be
exactly
anyway.
Like
you
know
like
oh
no,
I
mean.
B
B
Supposed
to
do
it
because
I
decided
at
some
point
long
ago
that
I
should
do
it,
but
I
do
like
to
introduce
what
we're
doing
here
and
you
know
that
kind
of
stuff,
just
in
case
we
have
new
people,
we're
also
I'm
I've
been
working
on
a
catch
phrase,
for
you
know,
don't
forget
to
like
and
subscribe.
You
know,
because
that
sounds
very
trite,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
we
we
want
to
make
sure
people
get
reminded
of
the
show.
B
A
B
That's
actually
how
I
see
a
lot
of
twitch
shows
because
I
get
that
reminder
from
the
various
channels
I
subscribe
to.
So
this
is
the
level
up
hour
where
we
talk
about,
why
containers
are
cool
and
why
you
might
be
interested
in
getting
you
know,
starting
to
use,
containers
and
we've
run
many
many
episodes
now
talking
about
those
kinds
of
things.
You
know
from
tools,
containers
to
application
containers
and
then
getting
into
why
you
might
want
orchestration
on
those
containers
and
we
have
a
lot
more
content
planned
coming
up.
B
You
know,
but
today
we're
going
to
talk
about
summit
and
kubecon
so
getting
into
the
show.
We
have
us
on
twitter,
I'm
langdon
with
a
one
and
chris
short
is
chris
short
with
two
s's
and
you
can
join
us
on
our
discord
where
we
chit
chat
about
you,
know
software
things
and
we're
happy
to
see
you
there.
Basically,
I
clearly
need
another
cup
of
coffee
to
be
clear.
B
A
Right,
what
is
it
like?
My
morning,
I
usually
wake
up
in
the
morning
and
check
all
my
communications
feeds
and
then
send
out
internally
to
red
hatters.
You
know
the
daily
email
of
hey.
This
is
you
know
what's
coming
on
the
channel
today,
so
I
like,
I,
I
feel
like
I.
I
can't
schedule
those
emails
like
at
4
p.m.
In
the
afternoon.
Right
like
I
need
to
actually
make
sure
that
someone
hasn't
messaged
me
to
be
like
hey.
A
Oh
my
god,
this
thing
happened
in
my
life
and
I
I
can't
do
the
show
today
so
like
I,
wake
up
early
make
a
cup
of
coffee
now
drink.
Some
coffee
write
the
email
interact
with
the
kid
as
he
gets
up
and
then
start
my
day
like
normal,
and
I've
already
got
like
a
cup
of
coffee
in
the
can.
So
it's
it's
pretty
nice.
B
Well
of
my
three
kids
right,
there
is
only
one
of
them
who
gets
up
later
than
I
do.
You
know
and
we'll
sleep
till
two
in
the
afternoon,
if
you
know,
if
allowed
essentially,
but
the
other
two
are
like
up
at
the
crack
of
dawn
every
morning,
you
know
so
it's
kind
of
like
if
you,
if
you're
up
one
of
one
of
my
two
sons,
is
awake
already
and
it's
it's
time
to
it's
time
to
go
but
yeah.
B
B
Just
because
yeah
so
and
please
you
know,
remember,
file
issues
on
that
repo.
If
you
have
ideas
for
shows,
I
think
there's
one
issue
there
that
I
need
to
go
and
address
that
I
haven't
done
yet.
So
you
know
thank
you
for
that,
but
I
did
see
it.
I
just
haven't
processed
it
yet,
but
let's
see
what
else,
but
let's
go
on
to
red
hats,
yeah,
so
so.
A
I
wanted
to
ask
you
yeah
yeah,
because
there's
there's
an
interesting
dynamic
here
that
happened
right
me
being
a
cncf
ambassador
and
kind
of
very
deeply
in
the
kubernetes
and
cloud
native
world.
I
spent
a
lot
more
time
focusing
on
kubecon
eu,
where
you
spent
more
time
focusing
on
summit,
so
we
kind
of
got
the
best
of
both
worlds
here.
B
For
example,
I
had
to
man
a
lot
more
booths,
for
example,
than
I
did
at
kubecon,
and
so
by
manning
a
booth
right.
I
have
to
spend
more
time
there
by
definition,
so
what
I
wanted
to
introduce
about
summit
so
this
so
what
they
did
with
summit
raid.
Is
they
broke
it
up
into
three
parts?
The
first
part
is
basically,
you
know
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
The
first
part
was
is
the
keynotes
kind
of
of
a
conference.
B
For
that
word,
you
know,
but
basically,
where
you
put,
you
know
x,
number
of
of
people
in
a
room
and
then
you
all
work
through
something
together,
and
so
this
was
the
first
one
and
you
know
basically
because
we
can
do
those
first,
two
things
much
more
reasonably
virtually,
whereas
the
third
one
is
very,
very
difficult
to
do
virtually,
although
we
have
some
ideas
that
we
might
be
doing
on
the
show
coming
soon,
not
on
this
show,
but
like
on
the
channel.
Sorry
right.
B
Where
may
we
do
some
some
kind
of
workshop
like
that
live
with
everybody
who
who
signs
in
which
I
think
might
be
fun
so
yeah
for
sure.
So
kind
of
so
this
one
was
kind
of
high
level,
but
what
I'm
trying
to
get
out
for
you,
oh
and
what
I
want
to
mention
too,
is
I
took
some
pre-show
notes
and
I
put
them
in
the
episodes
repo
so
that
if
anybody
wanted
to
follow
along
or
get
the
links,
I
don't
have
to
put
6000
links
into
the
chat.
B
Yeah,
hopefully
hopefully
it's
complete,
you
know
if
you
have
any
trouble
with
it.
You
know
file
at
issue.
Let
us
know
now
in
the
chat
you
know,
but
obviously
you
know
our
qa
team
on
the
show.
You
know
they're
still
recovering
from
summit
and
kubecon.
You
know
much
like
our
writers
yeah,
that's
for
any
long
time,
viewers
of
the
show
from
my
christmas
jokes,
but
there
were
some
detailed
bits
and
so
that's
kind
of
what
I
wanted
to
follow.
B
A
B
You
know,
but
you
know
to
like
you
know:
I
have
a
google
home,
you
have
an
alexa
whatever
product,
you
know,
hardware,
you
know,
and
so
so
we
see
a
lot
of
this
in
kind
of
the
home
automation
space.
You
know
which
has
been
trying
to
take
off,
for
I
don't
know,
20
years
or
so,
but
in
the
in
the
in
the
business
space
or
in
the
enterprise
space.
B
B
You
know
it's
like
a
lot
of
times
in
software,
financial
services
tends
to
drive
new
tech
right,
but
in
this
particular
case,
telcos
seem
to
be
driving
a
lot
of
that
new
tech.
And
so
that's
what
and
what
you
see
there
right
is.
You
know
things
like
cell
phone
towers
right
where
you
know
red
hat.
We
have
actually
a
long
history
with
working
those
with
those
kinds
of
organizations.
B
Rel
is
a
great
platform
to
put
in
a
cell
phone
tower
right,
but
we
want
to
go
all
containers
all
the
time
for
so
much
of
our
software.
The
telcos
are
trying
to
figure
out.
How
do
I
make
containers
that
do
you
know
telco
e
things?
I
don't
even
know
what
exactly,
but
how
do
we?
How
do
we
run
that
on
a
on
a
tower.
B
Just
as
foreign
right
like
yeah
yeah,
it's
it's
ridic.
It's
way
more.
If
you've
never
had
any
experience
with
it,
it's
way
more
complex
than
you
might
think
it
is.
You
know,
but
that's
where,
like
software-defined
networking
really
shows
its,
you
know
shows
its
value
right,
but
long
story
short.
There
was
a
good
talk
in
you
know
a
little
keynotey
but
called
hardware
accelerators,
the
future
of
data
centers
at
the
edge,
and
I
thought
that
was
really
interesting.
B
You
know
high
enough
level
that
I
could
still
parse
it
but
interesting
to
see
what's
kind
of
driving
it
forward,
and
that
was
with
chris
wright.
You
know
who
was
on
the
show
just
before
summit,
talking
about
kind
of
these
control,
plane
ideas
with
kubernetes
that
he
you
know
he
and
kelsey
hightower
were
talking
about
and
then
we'll
get
to
it.
B
But
now
clayton
coleman
is
also
talking
about
it
and
then
it
actually
came
up
in
one
of
the
recaps
for
kubecon
actually
later,
which
I
thought
was
pretty
interesting,
so
yeah
all
that
said
the
edge
stuff.
Don't
think
it's
not
for
you,
because
it
seems
like
it's
just
about
talk,
because
there's
a
lot
of
relevance
to,
I
think
almost
any
kind
of
software
industry
person.
B
You
know
whether
you're
an
administrator,
whether
you're
a
programmer,
you
know
in
some
ways
we're
pushing
back
to
the
days
of
being
having
really
constrained
technical
environments
right
these
days.
You
know
you
can
do
your
php
website
and
you
can
just
leak
as
much
ram
and
disk
as
you
want,
because
you
know
you
essentially
have
unlimited.
A
B
Right
so
yeah
so
check
it
out
and
all
right
so
moving
on
to
the
next
thing-
and
this
is
going
to
be
a
little
like
you
know,
kind
of
this
whole
episode,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
jumpy
right
because
we're
going
to
talk
about
you
know
each
talk
in
a
sense.
So
the
next
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
was
especially
for
all
you
admins
out
there.
There
is
a
project
kind
of
that
red
hat
has
been.
B
You
know,
trying
to
like
they've
put
a
bunch
of
people
on
it,
they're
trying
to
get
it
to
kind
of
take
off
more
or
whatever,
but
this
idea
of
operate
first,
okay
and
even
internally
to
red
hat.
We
had
this
concept
for
actually
going
on.
Quite
a
few
years
now
called
customer
one-
and
I
would
say
this
is
not
dissimilar
from
other
organizations.
Do
this
as
well.
But
basically,
if
you
produce
software,
your
first
customer
is
your
it
organization.
So
if,
if
your
it,
you
know,
sometimes
it
doesn't
map
right.
B
If
your
first
customer
is
your
own
I.t
department,
you
can
get
significantly
more
information
about
how
your
product
is
working
in
production
right.
So
this
operate
first
idea,
there
was
a
talk
called
operate
first,
informing
community
development
with
operational
insight.
So
this
idea
is
like
how
can
we
kind
of
spread
that
out
into
open
source
kind
of
in
general?
How
can
we
you
know?
B
How
can
we
like
drive
communities
around
this
concept,
and
so
I
think
that's
really
interesting,
especially
if
you're
an
admin
you
know
as
something
you
might
want
to
get
involved
in,
because
you
know
like
as
a
as
an
admin
or
a
developer
right
like
you,
you
know
that
feedback
is
so
desperately
important
for
any
of
the
software
or
the
environments
you
run
in,
and
so
that's
that's
really.
What
they're
trying
to
get
to
is
like?
How
do
we?
B
B
B
Yeah,
actually,
some,
I
think,
directly
related
to
operate
first.
In
fact,
I
last
I
knew
they
had
some
openings
there.
They're
gonna
be
doing
some
really
neat
stuff
with
like
aiops.
I
know
that's
part
of
the
plans
going
forward.
You
know,
so
how
do
we?
You
know
operationalize
things
more
efficiently
than
we
do
already,
which
is
already
kind
of
ridiculous
right.
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
B
B
Yeah,
so
that
might
also
be
good
to
go
back
and
watch
yeah,
like
I
said
he's
just,
I
think,
he's
a
good
speaker.
I've
had
a
number
of
meetings
with
him.
You
know
over
the
years
about
various
different
things.
I
remember
a
very
funny
conversation
about
you
know
when
we,
when
red
hat
was
shifting
to
like
agile
methods
and
me
saying
something
along
the
lines
of
you
know.
B
A
B
He,
like
I
said
I,
you
know
I've
known
him
for
a
bunch
of
years,
so
you
know
I'm
mixing
up
conversations
with
him
right
in
the
sense
but
yeah
so,
okay,
so
moving
on
the
other
one
that
you
know
the
person
that
tends
to
do
our
big
splashy
demo.
Keynotes
right
is
a
guy
named
burst
sutter
and
I
think
he
does
a
great
job,
and
so
he
had
two
of
those
kind
of
big
shows.
B
I
think
the
second
one
I'm
trying
to
remember
which
one
was
which,
but
I
think
the
second
one
is
the
one
with
a
lot
more
like
tech
demo
and
the
first
one
is
a
lot
more
like
interviews
and
a
little
bit
of
demo.
So
the
first
one
was
augmenting
automating
and
advancing
workflows
with
red
hat
technologies
and
the
second
one
was
building
cloud
native
applications
with
artificial
intelligence
and
machine
learning.
B
Although
it's
a
little
late
now
of
like
interacting
with
the
audience,
they
actually
set
up
a
battleship
game
and
and
everybody
in
the
audience
can
play
and
they
had
a
leaderboard
and
all
this
stuff,
and
you
know
it's
a
lot
of
fun,
but
you
know
what
I'm
I'm
really
impressed
right
because,
literally
about
you
know,
I
this
weird
this
year
is
weird,
but
let's
just
say
in
a
normal
year,
right
red
hat
summit
would
have
come
and
gone.
It
would
have
been
like
in
april.
B
Call
it
somewhere
towards
the
end
of
may
is
when
he
starts
working
on
the
demo
for
the
following
summit
like
it
takes
a
lot
of
work.
You
know,
you
don't
see
it
in
that.
You
know
hour
hour
and
a
half
demo,
but
there
is
a
lot
of
energy
that
got
put
into
you
know
putting
that
keynote
together
and
just
the
ability
to
predict
the
future
about
what
software
we're
actually
gonna
ship
right,
I
think
is,
is
also
pretty
amazing.
Sorry
did
we
have
more
questions
in
the
show.
A
B
B
B
B
Okay
yeah,
so
like
it's
one
of
those
things
where
I'm
like
it's
one
of
those
things,
I
want
to
go
like
actually
check
out
and
kind
of,
don't
get
to
and
then
forget
about
and
then
come
back.
You
know
whatever.
But
if
you
go
to
the
summit,
you
know
on
demand
website
thing
or
whatever
there's
a
way
to
search
for
all
the
you
can
kind
of
see
all
the
sessions.
But
if
you
go
there
and
then
you
check
this
session
type
of
what
they
called
featured
sessions.
B
B
Runs
the
the
business
unit
that
we're
part
of
and
tracy
is
the
one
who
runs
the
engineering
team
for
openshift
and
then
chris
wright
is
on
there.
Clayton
coleman
is
there
both
of
whom
you
should
know
one
to
also
take
a
look
at,
although
I
didn't
actually
watch
it.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
it's
about,
but
going
by
who
it
is
kamal,
shah
and
kirsten
newcomer.
It
should
be
about
security,
should
be
amazing.
Yeah.
B
Details
yeah
so
definitely
worth
checking
out.
If
you
don't
recognize
their
name
it'll.
You
know,
because
the
only
problem
I
had
with
those
sessions
is,
I
they
didn't
have.
I
didn't
think
they
had
very
personable
descriptions
like
you
know
that
I
want
to
go.
Watch
this
one,
but
then
matt
hicks
is
also
there
and
then
there's
one
with
some
people
who
are
in
the
ai
group,
which
you
might
also
like,
but
also
may
not
recognize
their
name.
B
B
You
know
our
community
of
excellence,
he
might
even
run
it,
and
so
so
that's
a
good
one
about
kind
of
ai
and
machine
learning,
so
check
that
out
all
right.
So
sorry,
so
that's
so
that's
my
kind
of
recap
of
red
hat
summit.
Is
there
anything
else
that
you
wanted
to
add?
Besides
we
kind
of
talked
about
so
far.
A
B
B
They
still
haven't
gotten
the
chat
right.
They
still
haven't
gotten
the
hallway
track,
part
right
and
I'm
not
sure
that
kubecon
did
either.
I
think
kubecon's
mechanism
is
closer,
but
it's
still,
I
still
think
it's
problematic,
but
we
can
talk
about
kubecon
in
a
minute,
but
the
challenge
we
had
with
the
chat
so
what
they
did
was
they
set
it
up
so
that
it
was
all
almost
like
one
on
one.
A
B
To
know
what
people
are
are
thinking
about
what
they're
worried
about
both
as
a
you
know,
person
who's
going
to
a
conference
that
I'm
you
know
not
a
part
of
the
company
and
as
part
of
the
company.
I
want
to
know
what
everybody
else
is
saying,
and
so
they
set
it
up
so
that
it
was
very
one-on-one
which
I
I
will
say.
B
I
was
not
the
biggest
fan
of
you
know,
except
for
some
of
the
rooms,
some
of
the
community
rooms
they
had
it
set
up
so
that
it
was
more
just
kind
of
open.
But
you
know
I
I
don't
know
so
I
was
I
was
they
still
haven't.
They
still
haven't
figured
out
the
whatever
you
call
it,
the
the
hallway
track
really
or
the
booths
expo
hall
kind
of
feel,
in
my
opinion.
So
all
right.
So
now,
let's
move
on
to
cubecon.
A
So
like
them
running
this
effort
is
huge.
It
just
dropped
a
link
in
chat.
You
know
it.
They
have
a
two-hour
meeting
starting
now.
Basically,
so
just
show
up
see
what
you
can
learn
see
how
you
can
get
involved.
It's
really
going
to
be
a
great
resource
for
new
folks
coming
into
the
cloud
native
ecosystem.
B
B
Them
maybe
the
friday
one
talks
specifically
about
this,
so
there
is
a
discussion.
There's
a
student
like
someone
who's,
I
think
he
says,
he's
a
junior
in
college
and
there's
a
student
on
there
and
you
know
like,
but
they
specifically
talk
about
this
initiative.
So
you
should
go
check
that
out.
If
you
want
a
lot
like,
if
you
want
to
kind
of
see
flesh
out
and
don't
forget,
you
should
go
check
it
out.
B
You
should
go
participate
even
if
you're,
not
a
student,
because
I'm
sure
they
want
mentors
right,
I'm
sure
they
want
help.
Bringing
more
you
know.
Students
in
you
know
one
of
my
big.
You
know
I
think
chris
and
I
both
share.
This-
is
that
you
know
it's
really
important
to
us
to
try
to
serve.
You
know
as
much
kind
of
of
the
underrepresented
community
in
our
software
as
we
possibly
can
get
right.
B
More
engineers,
and
and
so
from
all
walks
of
life
right
well-
and
you
know
it's
like
one
of
these
stupid
things.
You
know
it's
like.
I
remember
google
maps
right
being
really
problematic
for
a
use
in
walking
in
boston,
oh
yeah,
because
california
is
a
car
culture,
yeah,
and
so
when
in
kind
of
first
few
years,
so
I
want
to
say
early
google
maps,
but
still
like
not
not
for
like
a
minute.
B
Right
and
so
so
people
talk
about
underrepresented
right
as
being
you
know,
things
about
like
race
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
it's
really
the
whole
gamut
of.
We
need
different
perspectives
when
we
do
software,
because
otherwise
we
make
stupid
mistakes
based
on
our
own
knowledge
of
things
right
right
and
you
know
so.
We
need,
as
much
kind
of
you
know,
representation
as
we
can
get.
So
you
see
a
lot
of
student
initiatives,
right
programs
like
outreachy
or
the
google
summer
of
code,
or
you
know,
and
this
one
from
cncf.
B
So
you
know
and
like
I
said
it
helps
all
of
us
if
you
go
participate
as
a
student
or
you
go
participate
as
a
mentor
or
whatever
they
happen
to
call
it
in
in
that
particular
organization,
so
check
it
out,
yeah
and,
like
I
said
more
color
on
that
is
in
that
in
one
of
those
cncf
recaps.
I
can't
remember
which
one
though
so
cool.
A
A
So,
like
I
spent
the
day
kind
of
running
the
behind
the
scenes
you
know
doing
like
I
do
hear
producing
kind
of
deal,
but
like
watching
the
content,
it
was
just
like,
like
think
of
it
as
small
mind
explosions
throughout
the
entire
thing
right,
and
it
was
only
like
five
or
six
hours
long,
if
that,
so
it
was
just
like
wow.
People
are
doing
it
like
that.
Oh
wow,
okay
and
you
know
like
just
holy
smokes.
I
can't
believe
I'm
you
know
standing
up
vms
and
you
know
doing
anything
anymore
and
not
in
automated
fashion.
B
Yeah
I
watched
some
of
it
too.
I
mean,
I
think
that
was
that's
one
of
those
things
where
multiple
perspectives
helps
too.
What
I
really
liked
about
that
which
I
didn't
realize
at
first,
when
I
first
heard
about
get
off
con,
is
that
we
weren't
the
only
driver
right
we
works
was
also
a
big
driver
and
so
to
coin
the
phrase
get
off.
A
B
But
you
know
like
that.
I
I
think
we
saw
you
know
kind
of
a
wider
range
of
perspectives
there
yeah,
I
quite
liked
it
as
well.
You
know,
and
in
the
in
the
episodes
thing
that
I
linked
to
earlier,
there's
a
link
to
the
whole
playlist.
You
can
go
back
and
watch
the
whole
thing.
Obviously
you
can
try
and
interact,
but
it
will
be
harder.
You
know,
because
the
people
are
all
on
video
they're
unlikely
to
respond.
You
never
know,
but
yeah.
A
So
it's
possible,
I
mean
it's
on
the
working
the
get
ops
working
groups
page,
so
you
can
get
to
that
whole
playlist
here
I'll
drop
it
in
chat,
yeah
and
just
literally
run
through
all
those
talks,
and
it
was
just
awesome.
Even
the
lightning
talks
were
great
right
like
it's.
It's
really
unusual
to
like
get
a
few
nuggets
out
of
every
like
five
minute
talk,
and
we
did.
A
It
was
awesome
right,
so
yeah
and
we
also
threw
it
together
like
within,
like
four
weeks,
which
is
another
monumental
achievement
right
like
we
realized
we
needed
to
do
it.
We
realized
that
we
had
the
space
to
do
it
and
the
second
we
were
like
yeah
we're
making
this
happen.
It
was
just
off
and
running
and
right.
A
You
to
aubrey
mullick
christian
hernandez,
scott
rigby,
cornelia
davis,
sonia
from
weaveworks.
I
can't
say
her
last
name,
so
I'm
not
gonna.
Try
the
you
know
that
whole
team,
that
put
it
all
together
right
like
I
need
to
send
a
lot
of.
Thank
you
notes
because
they
hated
the
job
pretty
easy
for
me,
given
that
it
was
like
single
track.
Just
you
know,
keep
everything
fresh
and
new
and
ongoing
kind
of
deal
and
jump
in
when
you
have.
B
A
B
I
really
like
the
ai
ops
and
ml
ops
yeah
the
takeoff.
So
one
thing
I
wanted
a
sidebar
for
two
seconds
rebel,
assuming
that's
your
first
name
versus
a
title.
If
you
could
go
file
an
issue
at
the
the
github
repo,
I
got
you
we'll
link
it.
The
jenkins
question
that
you
have
or
whatever.
Maybe
we
can
cover
that
in
a
future
episode.
You
know
we
kind
of
we
kind
of
slip
things
into
that
into
that
queue.
Yeah
narendev
devsecops.
Yes,.
A
B
Right
yeah,
but
I
was
thinking
about
doing
because
we're
I
was
trying
to
get
some
more
security
kind
of
stuff
in
general
into
the
the
show
list
or
the
show
plan,
but
it's
not
for
a
bit
yet
like
so
maybe
like
like
end
of
june
or
something
I
can't
remember
where
it
is
on
the
list,
but
I
I
do
have
some
devsecops.
I
was
gonna
try
to
do
like
an
interview
with
somebody
who
knows
what
they're
talking
about
there.
You
know
I
you
know
I
often
say
or
joke
around
about.
B
I'm
totally
kidding,
however,
my
my
sophistication
in
that
space
is
relatively
low.
You
know
it's
it's
more
like
I
find
experts
and
I
do
what
they
tell
me
rather
than
try
to
learn
an
entire
new.
You
know
kind
of
world
on
my
you
know.
In
addition,
it's
just
like
I
do
with
ux
right.
It's
like
I'm,
not
gonna,
go
and
learn
everything
there
is
to
learn
about
user
experience.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
who
are
really
good
at
it,
so
I
do
what
they
tell
me.
B
So
I
do
very
much
the
same
with
security,
so
I
was
hoping
we
could
get
an
interview
or
two
or
maybe
do
something-
that's
playful
in
in
the
devsecops
space,
so
keep
an
eye
out
for
that,
like
I
said,
I
can't
remember
exactly
when
I
was
thinking
about
doing
it,
but
I
know
it
was
like
june
july
time
frame.
So
you
know
if
you
really
want
to
see
it,
though,
please
make
sure
you
file
an
issue
as
well.
A
B
A
Was
gathering
on
tuesday
that
was
great
and
then
we
dove
straight
into
we
did
nine
office
hours
throughout
the
event
for
community
projects,
and
you
know
things
that
are
going
on.
We
talked
about
red
hat
certifications
which
actually
answered
a
lot
of
questions
that
people
had
about
the
search
themselves.
Oh
that's
good!
How
they're
structured
and
everything
else
like
that
episode,
I'm
actually
going
to
use,
is
like
hey.
You
want
to
know
more
about
certifications
here.
A
B
A
B
The
the
openshift
service
mesh
office
hour,
yes,
what
we
did
was
instead
of
doing
an
office
hour
from
like
a
project
perspective.
We
did
a
like
what
do
you
care
about
with
an
enterprise
like
like?
Why
do
you
care
about
the
product
right
versus
the
project?
And
I
thought
that
was
really.
We
got
a
lot
of
good
traction
on
that
and
a
lot
of
people
were
really
interested
in
that
conversation,
so
I
definitely
recommend
going
and
checking
that
out.
B
If
you
have
any
ideas
around
implementing
a
service
mesh
or
you
have
a
service
mesh,
because,
hopefully
we
answer
your
questions
about.
Why
you,
you
know
why
you
might
want
to
use
openshift
service
mesh
versus
using
like
istio,
you
know
or
or
some
other
open
source.
You
know
version
of
the
product
and
yeah.
So
sorry,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
because
I
like,
I
said
I
thought
it
it
went
way
better
than
than
I
think
any
of
us
were
expecting
yeah.
There
were.
A
A
couple
of
those
office
hours
where
it
was
like
over
100
chat
messages,
and
I
believe
yours
was
one
of
them,
yeah
right
where
it
was
like
wow
there's
so
many
questions
holy
smokes.
I
can
barely
keep
up
right
right.
Yes,
josh
burkus
and
I
were
both
very
busy
a
few
episodes
where
he
was
just
like
the
questions
were
coming
at
us
too
fast.
A
A
B
My
takeaway
from
the
service
mesh
one
is
that
I'm
gonna
have
the
same.
The
two
product
managers
that
we
had
on
this
on
that
office
hours,
I'm
gonna,
have
them
on
the
show
sometime
relatively
soon
and
do
you
know
kind
of
go
through
some
of
that
again,
you
know
probably
different
questions,
different
answers,
but
clearly
there's
a
you
know,
quote
unquote:
pen-up
desire
right
to
learn
more
about
service
mesh.
It
sounds
like
I
should
do
the
same
server
lists.
A
A
B
So
I'm
very
interested
in
both
of
those
things
yeah
like
many
things,
that
we
name
it
red
hat.
It
is
just
called
open
shift
service,
mesh,
yeah,
so
yeah.
I
I
think
we
took
a
page
from
microsoft
back
in
the
day
you
know
like
who,
who
else,
but
microsoft
names
their
database
server
sql
right.
You
know.
B
A
Paragraphs,
the
two
intro
paragraphs
were
about
kubecon
and
you
mentioned
the
hallway
track
specifically
and
that's
why
I
wanted
to
point
this
out
was
because
kubecon
is
very
hybrid
in
the
way
they
do.
Events
right,
there's
the
event
platform
where
things
happen,
but
they
also
integrate
the
cncf
slack,
which
gives
the
community
the
opportunity
to
do
whatever
it
wants.
So
there
was
a
hallway
track,
slack
channel
and
from
that
people
were
dropping
in
like
their
open,
zoom
invites
and
everybody
could
join
a
zoom
call
and
just
talk
to
each
other
and
interact.
A
So
I
made
sure
I
stepped
into
a
few
of
those.
I
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
just
about
you
know
life
in
cloud
native
land,
and
you
know
how
I
got
my
start
and
you
know
just
things
I've
gone
through
getting
to
where
I
am
today
and
that
I
found
incredibly
like
cool,
because
I
talked
to
people.
I've
never
talked
before
in
community
right
like
I
knew
they
were
out
there.
I've
seen
you
know
their
commits
or
whatever,
but.
A
B
Like
this
wasn't
this
is
my
project.
Yeah
chat,
hallway
thing,
whatever
there's
like
a
billion
different
rooms,
yeah
and-
and
I
think
that's
still
like
the
the
like.
I
understand
trying
to
focus
some
of
the
conversation
or
know
where
to
go
to
have
a
conversation
or
whatever,
but
I
think
with
the
digital
virtual,
whatever
world
you
can
crash
those
things
together,
better
and
still
people
can
thread
out
right,
particularly
in
something
like
slack
right.
You
can.
B
You
know
if,
if
you
kind
of
up
front,
make
sure
everyone's
kind
of
following
the
same
etiquette,
you
can
have
a
crazy
number
of
conversations
in
one
chat
room
right.
So
I
my
challenge
with
kubecon,
it
kind
of
goes
it's
it's
I
like,
I
said.
I
think
it
was
better
than
red
hat
summits,
one
which
was
just
point
to
point
right,
but
it's
still
too
tight
or.
B
A
A
I
intend
to
be
there
unless
red
hat
tells
me
not
to,
but
it
is
cncf.
I've
already
talked
to
their
events
team
we're
already
talking
about
the
contributor
summit
at
cncf
or
kubecon
na
and
they're
like.
We
are
expecting
this
to
be
a
fully
hybrid
event
right,
so
there
will
be
some
people
on
stage
in
theory,
physically
in
la
and
there'll,
be
a
lot
of
people
watching.
A
We
feel
because
the
world
is
still
going
through
a
pandemic,
so
that
I
think
is
going
to
be
interesting
and
that
I
feel
like
will
be
a
forcing
function.
Yeah.
Thank
you,
langdon,
a
forcing
function
for
kind
of
bringing
the
bridging
the
knowledge
gap
between,
like
all
these
vendor
chat
rooms
where
people
are
supposed
to
go
to
talk
to
vendors
like
the
red
hat
chat,
room
was
pretty
busy
right,
but
other
vendor
chat
rooms
were
not
so
like
when
every
vendor
has
a
chat
room.
That's
sponsoring
kubecon!
It
gets
very
diluted
very
quickly.
A
So
it's
you
know.
Every
vendor
needs
a
place
to
have
these
free-form
conversations
outside
of
the
booth
sometimes,
but
I
feel
like
with
meeting
play
the
the
platform
they
used
like
that
might
not
have
been
as
necessary
this
time
and
it
was
just
kind
of
like.
Oh
we've
always
done
this
in
the
past.
We
might
as
well
do
it
again
kind
of
thing
right
right,
so
I'm
hopeful
that
cubecon
and
a
like.
We
can
actually
focus
more
on
interaction,
as
opposed
to
like
just
getting
people
to
the
right
place.
You
know
hopefully.
B
B
You
know,
and
I
thought
this
I
think
was
his
first
conference
that
he
was
running
and
his
quote
afterwards
is
like
do
we
just
put
these
things
on
so
people
can
come
and
complain
about
how
we
put
it
on.
So
I
feel
a
little
bit
like
we're
doing
that
having
run
a
bunch
of
conferences.
I
totally
understand
that
experience.
You
know,
so
I
will
shout
out
right,
like
both
red
hat
summit
and
kubecon
like
to
the
organizers.
I
know
it
is
a
ridiculous
amount
of
work.
It.
B
Gonna
get
any
everything
right
period,
you
know,
so
please,
please
take
all
our
commentary
as
constructive
feedback.
It
is
not
meant,
as
you
know,
like,
knocking
the
vast
amount
of
work.
That's
done
even
at
the
show
and
kind
of
in
person
right
like
I,
both
jokingly
and
seriously.
So
I
wear
a
lot
of
vans.
The
brand
you
know
the
shoe
brand
and
at
the
first
dev
conf
us,
I
blew
out
the
side
of
a
pair
of
vans
from
walking
around
so
much
yeah.
B
Oh,
that's
fire
yeah,
so
you
know,
like
I
said
all
you
know,
criticism
aside.
Please
it
is,
you
know
shout
out
to
anybody
who's
ever
organized
a
conference.
It
is
so
much
work
and
we
we
recognize
that
and
even
even
even
a
bad
conference
is
still
awesome
right.
You
know
so
so
please
do
keep
that
in
mind
and
we're
just
commenting,
as
you
know,
future
improvements
all
right.
What
else
should
we
talk
about
with
kubecon.
A
B
B
B
B
A
B
Yeah
we
can,
we
can
you
know
we
can
always.
You
know
we
do
a
polaroid
yeah.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
was
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
very
difficult
to
wrap
your
head
around
when
you're
going
from
you
know
kind
of
a
traditional
software
deployment
kind
of
model
to
something
that
is
event-driven
or
cloud-native
or
whatever
is
how
do
you
run
repetitive
tasks
because
they're,
not
this?
B
One
thing
is
sometimes,
I
think
difficult
for
people
to
wrap
their
head
around
is
like
okay,
but
I
need
to
run
a
batch
job.
How
do
I
do
that
right?
So
there's
a
talk
about
cron
api,
which
is
this
newish
thing.
Excuse
me
to
do
exactly
that.
I
think
did
they
they
might
have
just
gone
like
v1
like
they
just
hit
some
milestone.
I
can't
remember
what
it
was.
B
Yeah-
and
I
think
that's
why
it
was
kind
of
getting
some
traction,
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
go
check
out
that
talk
maybe
go
check
out
that
project,
because
I
know
it's
one
of
those
questions
that
as
a
you
know,
more
traditional
software
development
environment.
It
can
be
a
challenge
to
kind
of
wrap
your
head
around.
B
B
B
I,
you
know
basically
a
gidopsy
type
solution,
but
it's
not
it's
actually
a
packaging
mechanism
for
a
you
know,
a
binary
application
and
when
I
say
binary
application
these
days
when
we're
talking
about
cloud
native
that
may
be
67
different
pieces
of
software
right,
because
it's
all
the
different
services
and
how
they
come
together
to
deploy
an
application.
So
when
we
say
when
I'm
saying
application
here
I
mean
like
wordpress,
which
includes
a
database
and
a
web
server
and
all
that
other
jazz
right.
B
It's
not
just
the
php
component,
so
helm
is
a
packaging
mechanism,
for
you
know
kind
of
cloud
native
applications,
so
at
least
for
me
going
into
it.
That
would
be
a
very
helpful
piece
of
data
because
I
went
into
it
thinking
it
was
a
not
ci,
but
but
ci-esque
or
git
ops-esque,
where
you
know
I
could
basically
push
code
and
out
would
come
application.
That's
not
really
what
it
is
and
I
think,
at
least
for
me
instructions
talks
all
that
stuff
make
up,
make
a
lot
more
sense.
B
B
Some
it's
a
little
weirder
right,
so
it's
like
it
has
a
different
approach
to
the
problem
of
of
communicating
with
others
right.
So
maybe
I
don't
know,
but
I
thought
it
was
cool
and
they're
really
good.
I
think
they
were
also
less
constrained
for
time.
So
so
I
think
they
they
had
a
lot
more
latitude
to
kind
of
walk
all
over
the
place
which
was
cool.
B
Then
we
also
mentioned
the
office
hours
already
and
those
I
thought
were
were
really
interesting
better
than
we
normally
do
for
those.
I
thought,
because
we
usually
do
at
most
conferences,
most
in-person
conferences.
If
we,
if
red
hat,
has
a
booth,
we
do
office
hours
at
those
booths
in
a
similar
concept.
B
These
you
know
like
in
my
opinion,
we
should
keep
doing
them
virtually
even
at
in-person
conferences
like
if
they
were
really
accessible,
it'd
be
really
cool.
If
we
could
actually
incorporate
the
virtual
component
of
an
office
hour
with
like
it
in
person,
you
know
throw
it
up
on
a
screen
somewhere
and
there's
a
bunch
of
people
crowded
around
for
the
office
hour,
but
then
there's
also
a
bunch
of
people
coming
in
virtually
really
really
good.
B
B
A
B
Yeah
so
go
check
that
out.
That
is,
you
know
it
is
a
little
bit
more
focused
when
you
talk
about
edge
about
you
know.
How
do
you
orchestrate
containers
in
you
know
on
edge
devices
but
still
a
good
little
one
day,
kind
of
conferency
thing
the
link
to
it
is
in
the
github
repo,
so
you
know
go
check
it
out
if
you,
if
you
want
to,
I
think
I
I
think
I
checked
all
of
this
to
make
sure
you
could
actually
still
watch
it
on
demand.
B
B
Right,
okay,
so
so
yeah,
so
that's
the
thing
is
that
you,
you
might
still
have
to
register
like
red
hat
summit.
You
definitely
have
to
register
and
then
you
can
go
and
watch
any
of
these
things
that
or
at
least
everything
that
I
could
find
you
know
or
everything
I
mentioned.
I
checked
to
make
sure
you
can
still
watch
it.
Kubecon
similar,
I
don't
know
about
the
kubecon
fee,
but
I
do
know
you
have
to
register
I'm.
B
Obviously
I
was
obviously
already
registered,
so
I
don't
know
about
what
happens
if
you
register
at
this
point
so
point
I
don't
know
either
yeah,
but
the
github
con
is
already
on
youtube.
The
kubernetes
on
edge
day,
I
think,
is
also
there,
but
I
didn't
actually
check
that
one
in
detail
and
then
the
office
hours
are
definitely
there.
The
cncf
tv
stuff
now
keep
in
mind
for
cncftv
the
recaps
unless
they
capture
those
to
youtube
somewhere,
those
are
going
to
disappear
off
of
twitch.
They
do
they're.
A
B
B
B
Right
exactly
yeah,
so
the
first
two
links
in
the
github
page.
There
are
the
like
main
links
to
summit
and
kubecon,
which
is
where
you
go
like
register.
If
you
haven't
already-
and
you
know
hopefully,
hopefully
you'll
be
able
to
figure
it
out
right,
it'll
it'll,
let
you
into
it.
You
know
I
I
apologize,
but
I
did
not
want
to
open
private
browser
re-register
all
those
kinds
of
things
to
try
to.
A
B
B
A
One
last
thing:
if
you
have
time,
I
did
a
talk
at
kubecon
and
believe
it
or
not.
Folks,
it
was
my
first
talk
of
kubecon
ever
and
the
reason
why
it
was
because
it
was
a
panel,
I'm
usually
too
busy
at
kubecon
doing
other
things.
I
don't
have
time
to
do
a
talk,
so
this
was
actually
the
first
opportunity
because
it
was
virtual
and
because
I
was
doing
so
many
things
and
it
was
time
shifted
into
the
eu
time
zones.
A
B
A
There
was
a
talk
early
in
the
conference
about
non-code
contribution,
and
then
there
was
a
talk
about
the
upstream
marketing
team,
which
is
what
I'm
working
on
right
now,
which
is
essentially
just
getting
stories
out
there
to
people
and
when
we
say
stories,
what
you
do
every
day
is
a
story.
Right
like
an
experience,
is
a
story.
A
failure
is
a
story
that
you
can
tell
right
and,
and
that
kind
of
we
need
more
people
like
that.
A
That
can
write
that
can
help
us
with
social
media
right,
like
our
entire
social
media
process,
is
driven
by
github
and
github
actions
like
we
don't
use
like
tweetdeck,
unless
we
have
to
kind
of
thing
right,
like
it's,
it's
very
much
github
driven,
but
that
was
all
done
by
this
upstream
marketing
group,
which
falls
under
the
communication
community
part.
So
like
we
talked
about
that
myself
chasm
fields
from
google
piyush
from
digitalocean
and
matt
broberg,
also
from
red
hat,
so
yeah
check
out
that
talk
just
search
for
my
name
on
the
scene
yeah.
B
Before
we
do
that
one
thing
I
did
want
to
say:
I
thought
you
were
going
slightly
differently
with
that
was
your
first
talk.
Cubecon
na,
please
definitely
submit
a
talk.
It
will
be
a
challenge
to
get
it
accepted
right.
There
are
a
lot
of
talks
submitted
for
kubecon
and
a
in
particular
eu
tends
to
be
a
little
bit
easier
to
give
a
talk
at.
B
However,
the
conference
I
run
devconf
us
is
a
relatively
small
conference,
but
its
mission
in
life
is
to
be
appealing
for
or
to
be
a
place
for
new
speakers.
So
if
you
are
a
new
speaker-
and
you
haven't
done
a
lot
of
talks
before
take
a
look
at
dev
conf
us,
our
cfp
is
also
open,
so
go
check
that
out.
If
you
are
interested-
and
you
know-
and
that
might
be
a
place
to
do
your
first
talk
and
maybe
kubecon
na
is
for
next
year.
B
A
That
had
squabbles
with
the
selection
process.
Our
selection
process
is
very
open
right,
like
we,
we
wrote
a
blog
post
about
it
in
2018
and
we
still
have
to
refer
to
it
to
people
because
they're
like
I'm
so
mad,
my
coupon
talk
didn't
get
accepted.
It's
like
there's
thousands
of
entries
right
and
the
maintainer
track
is
like.
A
A
B
Running
a
conference
right
I
mean
it's
like
you,
you
both
you
want
to
give
opportunities
to
new
speakers.
You
want
to
make
sure
the
conference
is
appealing
to
attendees
and
informative
right.
You
want
to
you
know
you
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
whatever
the
new
you
know.
Whatever
the
organization
that's
kind
of
sponsoring,
the
conference
is
kind
of
putting
at
the
forefront
the
things
that
it
thinks
are
important.
B
You
know,
like
you,
have
all
these
competing
interests
and
when
you
have,
you
know
a
thousand
ten
thousand,
whatever
high
quality,
you
know
things
to
choose.
Amongst
you
know,
it's
just
like
stuff
is
gonna
fall
out.
You
just
don't
have
unlimited
time
as
well
as
you
know,
and
you
may
not
even
need
all
those
needs
perfectly
you're
doing
your
best.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
competing
interests
in
in
trying
to
build
a
good
conference
agenda
or
conference
program,
so
so
don't
take
it
personally.
Try.
B
And
also
I
mean
part
of
it
is
also
having
a
reputation
helps.
So
if
you
don't
go
and
give
a
bunch
of
talks
at
things
like
dev
confused
or
you
know
and
then
kind
of
you
you
it's
just
like
any
other
career
right,
it's
like
you.
You
need
to
start
at
the
kind
of
entry
or
level
and
then
grow
from
there.
You
know
it's
even
down
to
stupid
stuff,
like
you
know,
does
your
abstract
explain
what
you
want
to
talk
about?
Well,.
B
So,
even
if
you're
a
brilliant
speaker,
if
you
don't,
if
you
don't
write,
abstracts
well
you're
still
in
trouble
right,
so
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
learn
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
trying
to
do
like
I
said
as
part
of
this
conference-
and
I
know
other
conferences
are
doing
this
more
now
too,
is
guidance
right.
It's
like
help.
You
write
abstracts.
You
know
we
actually
do
speaker
coaching
so
to
a
bunch
of
conferences,
but
we
even
do
attendee
coaching.
B
A
Nothing
is
stupid.
Everything
is
a
doubt
for
beginners
yeah
total,
exactly
and
if
you're
doubtful
we're
in
a
good
enough
community,
where
the
culture
is
great
enough,
that
you
can
just
ask
right
and
literally
anybody.
That's
in
a
position
of
semi-leadership
can
help
you
right,
like
everybody
wants
to
help
you
get
in.
B
B
And
I'm
going
to
answer
j
if
you
did,
because
you
know
I'm
obviously
biased
but
defconfus
is,
I
want
to
say
it's
september,
2nd
and
3rd.
It
is
on
the
devconf
website,
which
is
intuitively
enough
to
have
us.
So
all
right,
it's
important!
Third,
you
are
correct.
Look
at
that.
I
know
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
a
little
weird,
because
that
will
be
like
it's
right
around
then,
when
I
have
to
take
my
son
to
college
for
the
first
time
and
the
first
time
he
was
always.
B
A
B
Sometimes,
questions
are
still
dumb
in
my
personal
experience
with
asking
noah
friction
with
3
900
points,
joe
fuzz
still
static
at
2
300
points.
We
need
joe
to
come
back
or
start
submitting
points
again,
detective
conan
kudo,
who
I
don't
think
I
saw
him
here
today,
but
is
definitely
around,
but
I
had
to
jump.
B
B
So
all
you
do,
is
you
go
and
fill
out
the
form
you
don't
have
to
put
your
real
name
in,
as
you
can
tell
at
least
we
ask
for
your
real
name,
but
we
also
ask
for
what
do
you
want
your
nickname
to
be
so
that
if
we
put
your
name
on
the
screen,
it
will
just
be
a
nickname,
you
know
and
it
can
be
related
to
your
twitch
name
or
not.
It's
entirely
up
to
you.
B
You
know,
but
it's
whatever
you
like.
However,
you
want
to
do
it.
You
can
also
say
private
for
your
nickname
and
if
you
do
that,
that
means
I
will
never
show
any
information
about
you,
including
the
number
of
points
you've
earned
any
you
know,
name
that
I
have
for
you,
etc.
So,
in
fact,
we
have
one
of
our
leaders,
who
was
private
and
then
switched
changed
their
mind
eventually
and
they
didn't
lose
their
points
they
just
kind
of
continued
on
their
merry
way.
A
B
B
B
B
You
can
hit
me
on
twitter
or
whatever,
but
this
is
all
a
brilliantly
and,
as
several
people
have
noticed
in
the
past,
occasionally
with
bugs
a
hand-built
little
thing,
we've
had
a
lot
of
we've
had
a
lot
of
more
success
with
the
internet
points
and
stuff
than
we
entirely
were
expecting,
and
then
we
also
ran
into
lots
of
fun
challenges
regarding
corporate
approval
of
software
and
that
kind
of
stuff
to
getting
it
into
like
a
real
platform.
As.
B
A
B
That's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
and
then,
of
course,
we've
also
been
trying
to
get
the
challenge
of.
How
do
we
have
extrinsic
rewards
right?
So
can
we
give
you
all
swag
or
something
for
collecting
the
points
that
has
also
run
into
a
number
of
challenges?
You
know
things
like.
We
have
to
make
sure
we
have
t's
and
c's.
We
decided
to
get
a
new
cool
stuff
store
vendor
in
the
middle.
So
it's
been.
B
It's
been
a
fun
pandemic
year
for
gamification,
but
you
know
so
message
me
on
twitter
or
discord.
I
can
tell
you
how
many
points
you
have.
It's
actually
been
a
while
I
used
I
was
doing
periodically
on
discord.
I
was
doing
like
a
top
20
list
instead
of
the
top
whatever
I
do
on
the
show.
Six,
so
maybe
I'll
go.
Do
another
top
20
into
discord
sometime
soon,
but
yeah
feel
free
to
message
me
and
I
will
get
you.
B
B
So,
let's
see
what
are
we
doing
next
week?
Oh
next,
oh
next
week,
right,
okay!
So
next
week
we
have
like
three
guests.
I
think
it's
three
people
we're
kind
of
going
back
and
forth
and
how
many
people
are
going
to
come,
but
we
have
some
people
coming
on
who
actually
develop
our
training
classes
and
our
certification,
exams
and
stuff
like
that.
B
So
they're
gonna
come
on
the
show
and
talk
about
their
transition
to
like
virtual
training
and
transition
to
virtual
certifications
and
that
kind
of
stuff
which,
if
you've
ever
taken
a
certification
before
with
red
hat,
was
I
don't.
I
don't
like
there
were
very
few
options
to
do
it
virtually.
It
was
almost
all
in
person.
It
was
yeah.
A
B
Yeah,
so
that's
who's
gonna,
be
on
the
show
next
week
is
some
members
from
that
group
you
know
and
to
to
talk
about
that
stuff.
So
please
join
us
for
that.
We're
gonna
take
another
swing
at
docker,
compose
after
that.
In
the
episode
after
that,
and
then
you
know,
we
have
a
bunch
more
stuff.
After
that
we
have
the
health.
I
finally
found
a
person
who
can
come
on
the
show
and
talk
about
the
container
catalog
health
index.
B
Nice
excuse
me,
which
is
in
a
few
weeks
you
know,
and
but
obviously
based
on
availability
based
on.
You
know,
y'all
yelling
at
us
in
the
chat
these
things
can
change,
so
you
know,
keep
an
eye
on
our
twitter
feeds
or
whatever,
for
you
know,
consistent
accurate
information
about
whatever
the
next
show
is.
But
this
is
what
I
know
right
now,
chris,
you
want
to
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
else
is
happening
on
the
channel
today
this
week,
absolutely.
A
I'd
be
happy
to
the
the
next
show
coming
up
at
11
eastern
1500
utc,
I'm
back
in
utc
time,
not
cs
cest
time.
That
was
actually
a
thing.
Yesterday
I
had
to
deal
with.
My
brain
was
stuck
in
central
european
time.
Anyways
we're
gonna
be
talking
about
just
core
os
like
straight
up.
What
is
core
os
under
the
hood
of
open
shift,
ask
an
openshift
admin
at
11.,
and
then
the
eric
show
the
scalable
multiplayer
game
design
with
openshift.
A
That'll
be
on
in
the
background,
as
I'm
like
scheduling
out,
new
shows
and
mini
series
and
stuff.
So
in
that
regard,
I
I
would
like
to
tell
y'all
that
we're
gonna
do
some
call
for
code.
Shows
this
summer
we're
going
to
be
doing
some
neat
new
stuff
to
bring
to
the
channel
as
well
as
hopefully
incorporating
more
points
across
the
entire
channel.
Not
just
langdon
show
so
yeah.
There's
a
lot
in
store
today.
A
A
B
A
B
B
We'll
definitely
probably
talking
about
it
coming
up.
The
learning
subscription
is
basically,
like
you
know,
some
level
of
like
kind
of
all-you-can-eat,
buffet
kind
of
training
and
certification
stuff.
You
know
think
like
if
you've
ever
used,
o'reilly
safari
same
kind
of
idea.
I
don't
know
what
the
t's
and
c's
are
exactly.
You
know
the
different
levels
that
kind
of
stuff-
but
you
know
that
is
that
is
a
much
more
cost
effective
way
to
go
after
it.
B
B
The
developer
sandbox,
yes,
the
developer
sandbox
is
super
nice.
You
can
go
and
basically
get
an
experimental
like
ins
like
for
you
to
experiment
instance
of
openshift,
not
experimental
like
as
in
alpha
class
software,
and
you
can
go,
and
you
know,
make
your
own
project
and
go.
You
know,
deploy
all
the
things.
We
actually
had
an
episode
about
that
on
this
show.
B
And
then
there
was
another
show
on
the
channel
in
like
january,
when
it
launched
going
through.
You
know
how
to
work
it.
You
should
find
all
that
on
our
a
playlist
like
on
the
on
my
channel's
playlist
or
sorry
on
the
level
up
our
playlist,
the
show
channel
the
show
play,
I
cannot
talk,
you
show
playlist,
you
can
find
the
dev
sandbox
stuff
there.
If
you
want
to
find
the
other
dev
sandbox
one,
you
can
just
kind
of
search
the
actually.