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From YouTube: The Level Up Hour (E34): Certifying container pros
Description
Do you want to become a *certified* container pro but don’t know how? How can working with open source sometimes lead to a job using the same technologies? Today we'll talk with Michael Phillips and Chris Caillouet, two Red Hat Training team members, who share their experiences and how to become a recognized pro in the open source community, and what it takes to succeed.
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A
Good
morning,
good
afternoon,
good
evening,
wherever
you're
hailing
from
welcome
to
another
episode
of
the
level
up
hour
here
on
openshift
tv,
I
am
chris
short
executive
producer
of
open
shift
tv
and
I
am
joined
by
a
bevy
of
red
hatters
this
morning.
But
the
red
hatter
with
the
most
right
now
is
langdon
white,
the
illustrious
one.
How
are
you
this
morning?
Langthen.
B
B
Exactly
exactly
so
today
we
have
we're
gonna
talk
about
some
of
the
kind
of
training
department.
You
know
it's
always
a
hard
group
to
kind
of
name,
but
we're
gonna
talk
about
kind
of
what
they
do
and
why
you
might
be
interested
in
checking
out
what
they
do,
but
I
also
want
to
probe
a
little
bit
into
what
like
how
they
do
the
job,
because
I
think
it's
really
interesting.
B
Right
and
we'll
be
fine,
yes,
this
six
foot,
four
short
guy
and
you
know
so
if
you
wanted
to
go
and
as
as
we've
discussed
on
the
show
in
the
past,
red
hat
titles
are
a
lot
of
fun
and
challenging.
So
michael,
what
is
your
title
and
what
who
do
you
actually
work
for
you
know
what
group
you
work,
who
is
your
daddy,
and
what
do
you
do
because
we
do
we
change
the
names
of
the
groups
and
the
titles
and
the
stuff
like
every
other
tuesday.
C
C
Fine
yeah,
I'm
a
curriculum
developer
and
I
work
for
the
gls,
gls,
global
learning
services,
we're
part
of
the
curriculum
team,
so
there's
a
and
that's
kind
of
a
large
umbrella
that
involves
the
developers.
It
actually
involves
certification,
but
but
I'm
one
of
the
developers
who
works
on
creating
classes.
C
B
C
B
I
will
say
you
know
all
both
joking
and
serious
at
the
same
time
is
like
you
know,
one
of
the
lovely
things
about
open
source
right
is,
if
it's
annoying
you
if
it's
broken
you're
the
one
who
has
to
go
fix
it.
So
in
other
words,
you
know
if
you're
taking
a
class-
and
it's
not
you
know
it's
not
everything
you
hoped
it
could
be.
You
could
go,
become
an
instructor
right
and
then,
if
that's
not
a
you
know
everything
it
could
be,
then
you
go
and
become
a
curriculum
developer
right.
B
B
B
B
Probably,
but
if
you
want
to
know
more
about
the
show
and
the
program
that
it's
a
part
of
you
should
go
check
out,
red.ht
level
up
hour,
where
you
know
we
actually
have
and
we're
talking
about
training
today,
we
actually
have
some
access
to
some
free
training
or
or
at
least
discounted
training,
as
well
as
like
some
discounted
or
free
licensing.
You
know
so
there
there
are
some.
There
are
some
things
that
we
deliver
as
part
of
the
program
that
you
might
be
interested
in.
B
I
also
understand,
speaking
of
things
related
to
the
show
that
we
are,
and
but
I
feel
like
I
keep
saying
this,
but
the
swag
is
about
to
land
in
the
cool
store.
It
has
completely
new
color
theme,
we're
supposed
to
be
doing
new
slides
to
do
the
new
color
theme,
so
we're
not
gonna,
tease
it
until
it's
available.
So
you
know
you
heard
it
here
first,
but
if
you
go
check
it
out.
B
We
are
very
close
yes,
so
today
we're
talking
about
certifying
container
pros,
which
is
a
you
know,
a
pretty
good
name
for
basically
talking
about.
How
do
you
go
through
that
kind
of
certification
process?
Talking
about?
Maybe
some
training,
like
I
said
at
the
beginning
of
the
show,
I'm
interested
in
like
how
do
you
develop
these
curriculum
because
I'm
or
curricula?
B
It's
I
want
to
say
it's
june
16th
rings
a
bell
so
where
there
will
be
more
kind
of
in-depth
sessions,
we'll
cover
that
a
little
bit
kind
of
before
and
after
I
think
mostly
after
for
this
one,
you
know,
but
please
feel
free
to.
Let
us
know
what
you're
looking
forward
to
or
what
you
might
be
interested
in
talking
or
like
seeing
there,
and
maybe
we
can
talk
about
it
in
this
episode
like
immediately
before
we'll
be
dark.
B
If
you
have
multiple
wind
monitors
yeah,
it
moves
around
right,
so
you
have
to
like
hunt
for
it
every
time
so
getting
started.
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
you
know.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
about
and
is
kind
of
new
is.
Do
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
learning
subscription
thing
that's
been
going
on
that's
rolled
out
or
is
it
or
do
you
want
to
talk
about
one
of
the
yeah.
A
C
I
can
jump
in
with
that,
so
the
learning
subscription
is
you
have
the
ability
to
have
all
the
red
hat's
courses
available
to
you
kind
of
in
one
package
and
it's
it's
designed
for
you
know
student
who's
planning
to
learn
at
their
own
pace.
They
can
jump
in
from
class
to
class,
and
you
know
with
that
learning
subscription
lots
of
the
classes
have
videos
so
there's
a
video
classroom.
C
In
fact,
chris
and
I
were
both
involved
this
week
in
filming
a
course
called
do250,
it's
called
the
open
practices
for
the
devops
journey
and
so
classes
get
filmed
and
if
you're,
if
you
prefer
to
have
an
instructor
teaching
you
the
material
again,
it's
video
right,
but
you
you've
got
that
option
so
or
if
you
prefer
to
just
read
through
the
content
and
then
perform
the
exercises.
That's
that's
your
choice
too.
C
I
think
one
of
the
great
great
things
about
the
learning
subscription,
though,
is
that
you
don't
have
to
configure
a
development
environment
right.
So
that's,
that's
part
of
the
got.
Access
to
each
class
has
got
its
its
classroom
environment.
You
spin
up
and
you
can
blow
it
away.
You
know,
there's
it's
a
sandbox
right,
you
don't
have
to
worry
about.
Am
I
screwing
up?
You
know
this
this
server
over
here
and
I've
got
to
get
that
back.
You
know
it's
a
complete.
B
C
B
B
I
mean
even
the
reset
on
like.
If
you
want
to
do
two
different,
you
know
kind
of
training
exercises
right,
even
just
that
reset
is
often
a
challenge.
I
was
just
complaining
actually
about
one
of
the
cloud
services
that
I
used
their
command
to
create
a
bunch
of
stuff,
and
then
I
used
their
command
as
well
to
delete
a
bunch
of
stuff
like
or
sorry
I
you
know
I
said,
create
this
thing,
then
I
said
delete
that
thing.
A
B
C
C
A
C
C
So,
if
you're
dealing
with
openshift
there's
an
internal
image
registry
and
in
our
classroom
environment
at
least
in
in
some
of
the
classes,
we
have
we
just
default
to
using
nfs
storage
right
piece
of
cake
to
set
up.
It's
not
really
recommended
for
storage
right,
it's,
but
but
for
classroom
environments.
It's
it's
fine!
However,
if
we
have
a
class,
that's
dealing
with
storage
right,
you'd
really
want
to
set
up
storage.
Where
properly
right
and
and
again
you
could,
you
could
create.
C
I
mean
you
might
use
block
storage
with
just
a
different
persistent
volume
and
that's
easy.
But
if
you're
using
maybe
an
object
bucket
claim,
that's
a
little
bit
more
tricky,
and
so
you
know
I
had
done
the
initial
research
of
my
boom.
We
can
get
this
done
with
you
know.
Just
kind
of
switching
to
a
different
persistent
volume
yeah,
no,
that's
not
what
the
architect
wanted,
which
again
it
was
tough.
It
was
tough
trying
to
to
figure
out
what
what
I
need
to
do.
C
But
in
the
end
that's
what's
going
to
be,
that's
that's
what
the
the
student
hopefully
is
going
to
want
to
see.
You
know
yeah
yeah,
it's
tricky
a
little
bit,
but
we've
got
some
good.
You
know
instructions
on
how
you
can
get
this
configured
and
so
that's
right
right
now,
a
lot
of
the
courses
are
taking
a
little
bit
more
of
the
agile
approach,
where
we've
got
the
ideas
and
here's
the
things
we'd
like
to
cover,
and
then
we
start
doing
our
research.
You
know
trying
to
figure
out.
C
Can
we
make
this
work
and
there's
times
where
we'd
like
to
maybe
do
one
thing,
but
in
the
environment
might
be
prohibited
from
that?
You
know.
Speaking
of
the
learning
subscription,
you
know
in
the
past
openshift
3.
That
was
pretty
easy
to
set
up.
If
you,
if
you
wanted
just
to
create
a
sandbox
environment
on
your
own
laptop,
you
can
spit
up
a
couple
of
virtual
machines.
It
didn't
require
that
many
resources
openshift
four,
that's
a
little
bit
different
right.
C
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
like
I
like,
whenever
you're
doing
something
that
is
like
kind
of
sufficiently
difficult.
You
know
in
these
kinds
of
environments,
they're
very
hard
to
replicate
right
because
it's
like
you
know
if
I
want
to
go,
learn
about
the
storage
stuff
right.
The
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
configure
all
the
stuff
before
I
even
get
to
the
storage
right,
because
that's
going
to
take
me,
you
know
three
days
of
just
set
up
time.
You
know
of
of
all
the
rest
of
it
right.
B
You
know
and
I'm
just
kind
of
pulling
a
you
know
a
technology
out
of
the
hat
there.
But,
like
you
know
just
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
like
before
I
can
actually
investigate
it.
I'm
actually
I've
been
working
on
a
problem
like
that
right
now,
where
you
know.
Basically,
I
have
a
page
actually
pages
of
notes
about
just
getting
the
setup
to
get
to
the
point
where
I
can
actually
do
the
stuff,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
and
conveniently
enough
there's
nothing
like
training.
B
What
I
would
say
is
like
what
to
gloss
over
and
what
to
really
like
delve
into
like,
but
in
software
development.
I
mean
more
like
where
to
focus
my
like
profiling
effort.
You
know,
so
you
know
is
that
a
similar
experience,
like
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
getting
at,
is
like.
How
do
you
make
those
decisions.
D
So
we
have
to
go
out
there
and
try
these
things
in
our
own
environments,
massage
those
classroom
lab
environments
to
meet
those
needs,
and
then
we
start
a
feedback
cycle
both
with
our
architects
and
michael
also
mentioned
the
early
access
program.
Where
folks,
who
have
joined
the
red
hat
learning
subscription
with
that
access
level
can
see
that
content
before
it's
published
as
a
full
course
and
say
this
is
looking
great.
D
This
exercise
really
hit
the
goals
of
what
I
was
looking
to
gain
in
this
particular
skill
on
openshift,
or
this
is
wildly
missing
the
mark.
I
really
wanted
to
see
more
of
this,
so
we
have
an
opportunity
to
listen
to
that
feedback
and
then
tune
our
content
along
those
lines.
Additionally,
from
the
internal
side,
our
architect
and
team
members
are
listening
to
business
trends.
Maybe
some
news
that
broke
we've
heard
of
you
know:
products
changing
names
and
whatnot.
D
We
have
to
be
abreast
of
that
or
what
what
features
may
be
coming
up
on
the
radar
since
our
course
projects.
Writing
a
single
course
can
take
several
months.
You
can
imagine
that
some
of
our
faster
moving
technologies
like
openshift
and
others,
could
have
a
change
in
that
a
period
of
time
from
when
we
conceive
a
course
to
when
we
deliver
a
course,
and
we
have
to
stay
on
that
cutting
edge
to
make
sure
when
we
put
something
in
your
hands,
it
isn't
stale
the
day
you
get
it.
So
that's.
B
Well
like
this
is
like,
I
think
that
must
be.
I
mean
you
find
this
hard
kind
of
across
the
board.
Right
and
kind
of.
One
of
the
reasons
I
like
doing
the
kind
of
streaming
shows
is
that
you
know
the
hard
part
about
video
is
it's.
You
know
it's
not
uneditable,
but
it's
uneditable
right.
It's
like
you
know.
If
you
do
get
a
product
name
change
right.
You
can't
just
go
through
and
you
know
change
the
the
terms
right
in
the
video.
B
But
so
I
imagine
like
kind
of
keeping
up
with
those
videos,
but
it
kind
of
leads
me
to
another
question
which
is
like
how
how
much
kind
of
feedback
do
you
get
from
people
and
part
of
the
challenge
that
you
must
be
trying
to
meet
or
related
to?
That
is
like
different
learning.
Styles
right
so,
like
you
know,
some
people,
like
you
know
like
me,
for
example,
I
actually
much
prefer
text
to
you
know
most
other
communication
forms.
B
D
B
D
It'd,
be
foolhardy
not
set
not
to
mention
that
the
entire
wraparound
team
of
services
that
we
have
from
world
class
tech
editors
to
a
team
of
titans
and
video
editing.
So
in
the
gls
organization
we
have
the
skills
and
and
professionals
really
targeting
to
make
sure
we.
We
have
that
on
point.
So
I
don't
necessarily
have
to
worry
about
my
grammar.
I
should
be
good
and
there's
skills
that
that
these
members
of
our
team
gift
us
they
run
workshops
to
help
us
write,
clean
and
better
pros.
D
I'll
sit
here
and
say
it
michael
mentioned
we're
recording
of
course
this
week.
There's
no
doubt
that
during
that
process,
we'll
get
stop
roll
back.
Let's
say
that
again
a
little
bit
different
and
they
keep
in
mind
how
agnostic
we
can
maybe
be
to
to
the
content
itself
so
that
that
may
be
a
drag
and
drop-able
module
to
populate.
C
C
C
For
for
me,
you
know
again,
I
think,
with
the
learning
subscription
right
so
that
that
gives
you
the
choice
of
which,
which
learning
style
works
best
for
you.
So
if,
if
you
like
to
read
well
yeah,
there's
the
the
course
is
all
there,
so
it's
an
html
and
you
can
read
through
it
and
you
can
go
through
the
exercises.
If
you're
more
visual
in
terms
of
seeing
someone,
maybe
maybe
even
auditorial,
you
can
watch
the
video
of
an
instructor
presenting
they
just
just
just
recently.
C
They
released
what
they
called
a
premium
version
which
has
all
of
that,
but
then
also
allows
there's
three
hour
segments
with
live
instructors
where
an
instructor
is
presenting
live,
and
you
can
actually
ask
questions
and
get
feedback
in
that
respect.
So
so
I
think
it's
trying.
I
think
the
learning
subscription
is
trying
to
address
those
different
learning
styles
and
you
can
choose
which
which
route
works
best
for
you.
C
A
C
C
Chris
short,
you
know
you
had
mentioned
or
when
we
were
chatting
about
troubleshooting
right,
so
sometimes
during
those
videos
I
would
actually
be
going
through
an
exercise
and
sure
enough
things
things
are,
gonna
are
gonna,
go
wrong,
and
so
those
videos
also
give
you
the
ability
to
sometimes
see
how
is
that
instructor
troubleshooting,
this
particular
issue.
Maybe
it's
a
simple
thing:
maybe
it's
a
little
bit
more
complex.
C
So
again,
each
of
one
of
those
modalities
can
offer
a
little
bit
different
style
and
and
last
thing,
that
to
kind
of
sand
that,
as
chris
mentioned,
there
is
a
group
of
people.
Besides
the
developers
and
one
of
those
key
people
is
an
instructional
designer
right,
so
that
instructional
designer
is
trying
to
look
at
the
whole
picture,
and
does
this
make
sense
from
an
instructional
standpoint,
regardless
of
what
the
architect
wants
to
put
into
it?
You
know
it
doesn't
make
sense
from.
B
B
Interesting,
I
I
think
part
of
the
part
of
what's
really
interesting
for
me,
for
this
is
like
it's.
It's
always
fascinating,
like
I
can't
believe
how
many
different
like
role
types
there
are.
I
mean
you
know
it's
like
as
soon
as
you
say,
one
I'm
like,
oh,
of
course
that
makes
sense
right,
but
then
but
kind
of
looking
at
it
from
the
abstract.
I'm
like!
Oh
there's
just
you
know,
you
know
this.
This
person
who
puts
the
whole
class
together,
you
know
and
also
kind
of
I've,
been
doing.
B
A
lot
of
you
know
kind
of
work
with
boston
university.
So,
like
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
students.
You
know
we
talk
about
classes
or
we
talk
about
like
learning,
new
things
or
whatever,
and
you
know-
and
I
think
the
vast
majority
of
cases
I
think
a
lot
of
those
professors.
You
know
kind
of
do
the
whole
kit,
but
it
seems
like,
but
I
know
they
have
support
infrastructure
as
well,
and
it's
just
kind
of
interesting
how
to
think
about
like
are
there?
B
You
know
there
really
are
different
skill
sets
in
there
and
much
like
you
know,
talking
about
programming
again
right.
It's
like
much
like
programming
having
one
person
who's
able
to
do.
All
of
them
is
pretty
rare,
and
you
know-
and
sometimes
you
know,
it
also
means
that
or
generally
means
that
they
are
also
of
like
medium
quality
at
all
of
them
right,
excellent
at
none.
You
know
so
it's
kind
of
interesting
to
see
the
specialization
you
know
kind
of
within
that
world.
B
You
know
making
you
know,
making
a
container
available
throughout
your
data
center.
That
has
like
all
the
tools
you
prefer.
You
know
those
kinds
of
things.
What
would
you
recommend
for
somebody
in
that
scenario
to
for
a
class
or
training
exercise
or
whatever,
to
be
able
to
adopt
containers
in
their
like
day-to-day
work?.
D
Sure
I
I
think
it's
important
you.
You
mentioned
what,
if
I'm
a
system
administrator
but
I'll,
take
it
a
step
back
further,
which
is
what,
if
you're
just
that
system
administrator's
manager,
we
have
veins
of
curriculum.
That
gets
you
all
the
way
through
the
I've
heard
of
containers,
but
have
no
concept
to
take
you
through
a
conversation
about
what
does
a
company's
transition
to
this
adoption.
Look
like
a
managerial
perspective
or
a
business
perspective
on
that
is
where
our
curriculum
introduces
these
topics
and
then
continues
onward.
D
That
puts
you
right
into
lab
environments
so
that
you
can
get
your
hands
on
the
keyboard
in
an
environment
already
built,
for
you,
like
michael
mentioned,
about
our
custom
classrooms
per
course
to
meet
the
needs
so
that
you
can
then
follow
along
in
either
the
whatever
modality
the
written
word
an
instructor.
You
know
teaching
this
through
a
video
format
or
even
sign
up
and
attend
a
virtual
class.
If
that's
your
learning
style,
where
you
have
the
interactions
in
these
classrooms
to
deploy.
D
If
you're
at
that
stage,
or
even
just
deploy
your
first
container
in
an
openshift
cluster,
if
it's
something
you're
really
novice
to
or
new
to,
we
like
to
explain
these
from
the
bottom
up
with
no
assumed
knowledge.
You
know
an
openshift
course
is
going
to
require
you
to
know
some
rails,
some
linux
back-end
skills,
but
we're
going
to
try
to
make
that
bar
of
entry
as
low
as
possible.
So
you
can
really
just
focus
on
this
new
skill
you're
trying
to
pick
up.
D
C
D
Bite
size
fashion
and
with
our
with
the
rhls
revisit
the
parts
that
didn't
make
sense
or
even
consume
them
in
multiple
modalities.
Maybe
you
learn
best
through
text,
but
on
this
topic
it's
challenging.
You
know
you
pivot,
and
you
also
watch
the
video
or
you
know,
maybe
rewind,
and
do
it
again
until
that,
until
that
skill
is
stuck
before
progressing
through
the
course
or
even
into
the
next
course
right.
A
D
B
And
what
about
kind
of
so?
You
know,
obviously
the
you
know
the
any
individual
class
can
only
cover
so
much
right
like
what's
the
what's
your
kind
of
recommendation
for
like
if
you
want
to
kind
of
widen
that
knowledge.
So,
like
you
know,
okay,
so
I
think
I
got
a
good
idea
of
like
how
to
execute
a
basic
container.
So
I
can
go
forward
right.
C
There
is
I'm
trying
to
remember
the
url.
I
don't
know
if
I
can't
remember
if
it's
yeah,
it's
learn.red,
learn.redhat.com,
okay,
so
learn.red
that
is
referred
to
as
the
red
hat
learning
community
and
that's
where
and
pretty
much
any
course
that
you
get
into
now.
It's
going
to
provide
that
that
url
for
students,
as
kind
of
a
a
place
where
they
can
network
with
other
students,
ask
questions.
C
Instructors
are
typically
paying
attention
to
that.
Some
developers
are
right,
so
sometimes
it
will
filter
into
developers.
Having
been
a
former
instructor,
I
still
get
a
lot
of
those
those
emails.
So
as
things
get
posted
there,
emails
get
generated
and
so
I'll
see
those
and
sometimes
respond
to
those
directly.
I
you
know
I
wanted
to
jump
back,
though
you'd
said
why
why
containers
maybe
and
I'd
say
that's
the
direction
things
are
going
in
in
a
lot
of
ways.
C
I
think
back
with
when
rail
seven
came
out
right,
so
we
had
for
a
long
time
and
it
still
continues
to
be
a
big.
A
bunch
of
training
is
rel
curriculum
right
and
there
used
to
be
a
track
system
administration,
one
two
and
three
and
and
when
rail
seven
came
out,
there
was
maybe
at
the
very
end
of
the
assist
administration.
Three,
maybe
like
a
paragraph
or
two
about
containers,
a
casual.
C
B
C
C
But
now
I
mean
chris,
I
don't
I
don't
know
how
many
classes
we
have
now,
but
I
said,
there's
probably
at
least
10
if,
if
not
more
openshift
classes
and
it's
taken
about
a
third
of
the
training-
and
you
know
I-
I
guess
another
kind
of
along
those
those
same
lines.
So
as
an
instructor,
there
was
always
a
yearly
instructor
conference
and
most
of
the
instructors,
their
bread
and
butter
was
teaching
rel
courses
right.
That
was
the
bulk
of
the
courses
and
every
year
I
was
like
come
on
you
guys.
C
Let's
you
know,
learn
containers
learn,
ansible
learn,
you
know,
learn
these
other
things.
We
know
that
these
other
courses
are
gonna
start
picking
up
and
it
was.
It
was
pulling
teeth
right.
Sometimes
it's
tough
to
it's
tough,
to
venture
off
into
something
new
when
you're
comfortable
doing
what
you're
doing.
I
don't
know
that
I'd
want
to
be
one
of
those
instructors.
That
only
knows
rail
right
now,
especially
if
you're
a
contractor
that
that
pool
is
going
to
get
tight.
You
know
the
the
number
of
classes
has
switched
over
to.
C
A
B
D
D
Demand
for
the
courseware
people
are
growing
these
skills.
Moving
from
that
traditional
system
administrator
into
these
newer
roles
and
newer
spaces
and
what's
nice
is
our
curriculum
stays
both
on
the
cutting
edge,
and
we
maintain
that
catalog,
of
course,
as
the
courses
expand,
it's
daunting
for
us
to
version
bump
up
every
course
in
the
catalog,
but
we
take
on
that
task.
So
that's
one
of
those
challenges
on
staying
on
that
bleeding
edge
is
if
you're
going
to
expand
your
courseware,
which
is
what
your
customer
wants.
B
D
C
D
Using
openshift
or
seeing
those
cli
tools
that
bleed
you
into
that
next
year
of
life,
maybe
you're
hyper
focused
on
learning
some
automation
skills
with
ansible.
Well,
if
you
went
through
a
rail
course
and
saw
that
course
journey
all
the
way
through
to
completion
it,
it
gives
you
a
good
clue
and
a
good
footing
to
then
branch
out
into
ansible
or
branch
out
into
a
learning
journey
in
openshift.
So
we
do
a
pretty
seasoned
job.
D
D
Especially
with
the
red
hat
architect
level,
certified
architect,
where
you
get
to
go
cherry,
pick
some
technologies
to
expand
beyond
the
engineer
to
really
hyper
focus
on.
What's
what's
more
important
in
your
walk
of
life,
you
can
learn
an
array
of
certain
or
you
can
gain
an
array
of
certifications
out
of
our
courseware
to
form
an
architect
certification
and
that
can
include
specializations
and
things
of
any
nature
of
our
products.
But
we
have
injected,
and
even
the
system
administrator
courses
in
rail,
yeah
and.
D
C
B
Yeah
yeah,
so
so
there
probably
is,
but
I
mean
like
who's
going
to
ask
me
for
a
quantum
computing
certification
right.
You
know
whereas
like,
but
I
think,
like
you're
like
having
a
certification
out
there,
having
training
out
there
really
is
a
ratification
that
this
thing
is
probably
here
to
stay
right.
It's
not!
You
know.
This
is
not
a
fly-by-night,
you
know
or
attempt
at
a
technology
that
looks
cool.
B
You
know,
like
you
know,
we've
had
many
of
fits
and
starts
red
hat
included,
even
myself,
included
in
things
that
we've
tried
to
pull
off
and
it
just
kind
of
haven't
materialized.
But
you
don't
put
the
effort
into
creating
training
exercises.
Creating
you
know,
training,
content,
et
cetera,
certifications.
B
Generally
speaking,
unless
there's
something
there.
That's
quote
unquote
like
real.
You
know
I,
like
honestly.
Quantum
computing
is
actually
probably
a
bad
example,
just
because
it's
actually
been
around
as
a
concept
for
20
years
or
so,
and
so
it's
a
little
bit
weird.
You
know
I
was
trying
to
think
of
some
other
like
what's
new
hotness,
that's
probably
not
gonna
stick,
you
know,
but
those
are
always
hard
to
predict.
B
Hence
the
point
right
so
you
know
so
I
think
you
know
at
least
your
team
right
really
feels
like
this
container
stuff's,
probably
going
to
be
a
thing,
and
you
know
and
and
the
technology
has
been
around
for
at
least
20
years.
You
know
it
was
just
we
never
really
had
a
good.
Basically,
you
know
it
never
had
a
good
entry
point
for
most
people.
You
know
the
the
widest
usage
was
probably
using
rpm
build,
you
know
which
is
kind
of
amusing,
but
okay.
D
Any
administrator,
any
technologist
could
appreciate
even
a
business
mind.
Someone
leading
a
business
should
be
familiar
with
this
concept
so
that
they
understand
the
best
value
they
can
get
for
the
dollar
out
and
return
on
investment
when
you're
writing
an
application
and
giving
it
out
to
the
world.
I
think
doing
it
in
this
we'll
call
it
a
new
way
if
the.
D
D
D
D
On
board
with
this,
and
at
that
point
in
time,
it'll
be
how
how
do
we
take
a
nap
re-architect
and
then
deploy
and
scale
in
this
new
way,
and
that's
the
skills
that
exist
in
our
courses
for
years
now
and
we're
seeing
a
huge
surge
towards
with
the
kind
of
content
we're
creating
and
being
asked
to
create
from
the
community
at
large.
Now.
B
So
you
know
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
kind
of
just
jump
on
there
for
a
second.
So
a
lot
of
thing
a
lot
of
time,
I
think
any
people,
people
who
work
at
enterprises
are
in
the
enterprise
right
or
even
like
medium
business
right
whenever
they
hear
the
word
startup
they
get
nervous.
But
the
thing
to
recognize
is
that
the
techniques
that
a
startup
is
using
are
applicable
inside
your
medium-sized
business.
B
All
the
time
right,
and
so
my
stupid
example
of
this
is
like
one
of
the
organizations
I
consulted
to
would
crank
out
a
new
movie
website
every
three
months
or
so,
and
they
did
them
on.
I
think
they
were
drupal
and
you
know,
and
basically
they
just
had
to
crank
it
out.
It
was
a
very
you
know:
low
edit.
You
know
low
change
functions
right.
It
just
basically
put
up
the
you
know
the
trailer
of
the
movie.
B
By
dropping
the
effort
for
any
individual
movie,
you
know
website
to
to
the
level
that
it
deserves
right,
which
is
kind
of
a
near
zero
right,
and
so
I
think
that's
so
don't
I
guess
what
I
would
caution
is
like
take
everything
what
you
said,
which
I
completely
agree
with,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
just
apply
to
like
some
early
stage
company.
You
use
a
lot
of
those
same
techniques.
You
know
you.
D
B
All
right
so
same
question
to
you,
michael,
so
you
know
what
do
you
think
is
like
the
big
thing
that
you
would
like
people
to
take
away
about.
You
know
why
you
know
containerization
and
or
kind
of
like
what
you
know.
Training
and
certification
is
important
about
that,
for
you
know
kind
of
the
audience
that
we
have.
C
I
I
think
part
of
the
takeaway
for
me
is
think
about
updates
and
security
right
I
mean
how
many
times
have
you
talked
to
someone
who's
like?
No,
we
don't
update
our
servers
because
we
don't
know,
what's
going
to
break
right,
it's
working
now.
I
I
yes,
there
might
be
security
updates,
I'm
not
going
to
apply
them
yeah.
I
mean
updates
with
containers
oftentimes,
especially
if
you're
getting
a
container
coming
from
red
hat
right
or
maybe
you're,
using
the
universal
base
image.
These
are
getting
updated
for
known
issues.
C
I
I,
if
I'm
a
web
developer,
I
don't
necessarily
care
right.
I
don't
care
about
how
that's
getting
set
up.
I
want
my
container
to
be
secure
or
if,
if
I'm
legacy
architecture,
I
want
my
system
to
be
secure,
but
I
don't
want
to
have
to
worry
about
that.
You
know
if
you
go
to
the
container
ridge,
red
hat's
container
registry.
C
C
C
I
don't
necessarily
care
about
that.
I
want
it
to
be
secure
and
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
getting
those
images
patched,
so
I
might
build
a
new
container
where
it's
going
to
pull
the
latest
image
with
those
you
know
base
container
image
where
those
those
issues
have
been
resolved,
at
least
for
now
right.
You
know
those
couple
months
later
that
that
that
image
will
have
maybe
some
other
issues
that
that
will
be
discovered.
B
Conveniently
enough,
thank
you
for
the
segue
on
the
9th
of
june,
so
it's
like
three
or
four
weeks
from
now
we're
actually
having
the
team
from
the
health
index
on
the
show
to
to
talk
about
like
how
it
actually
works
underneath
but
yeah.
That's
that's
one
of
the
things
I
think
is
really
one
of
those
kind
of
you
know.
Bites
you
later
problems
with
containers.
Is
you
know?
Yes,
it's
immutable,
oh
my
god,
it's
immutable
right
is
the.
The
challenge
is
that
you
have
to.
You.
B
Do
have
to
maintain
that
health
and
I
think,
that's
you
know
when
you
go
and
just
read
the
blog
posts
on
the
internet
of
how
awesome
containers
are
they
kind
of
gloss
over
that
whole,
like
maintenance
component
of
your
application
in
a
container,
because
there's
there's
so
many
different
variables
about
that?
Also
talking
a
little
bit
about
the
afraid
to
update
your
servers,
you
know,
speaking
from
personal
experience,
I
took
over
a
data
center
for
an
organization.
B
Some
friends
of
mine
had
started
working
with
the
company
and
I
was
afraid
to
install
poppet
at
the
time
because
it
was
basically
the
only
one
available
out
there
because
of
like
what
it
might
do
to
the
server.
So
I
would
do
updates
you
know,
but
you
know
like,
and
so
I
ended
up-
writing
an
nginx
plug-in
that
would
actually
do
updates
as
if
they
were
nginx
checks,
not
nginx
nagios,
and
you
know
so
it
was
horrifying.
B
But,
like
that's,
that's
like
the
perfect
scenario
like
like
this
containers
make
all
that
kind
of
stuff
so
much
easier
because
you
can
have
a
golden
record
right.
You
can
have
a
golden
image
that
you
regularly
update
and
then
you
can
roll
out.
You
know,
and
you
start
looking
at
this-
is
really
where
the
orchestration
stuff
starts
coming
in
too
right.
So
you
can
roll
it
out
in
a
canary
way
and
like
actually
test
it
and
stuff,
and
so
you
can
have
this
kind
of
like
relatively
managed
environment.
B
That's
way,
less
keeping
you
up
at
night.
I
think
because
it's
just
doing
its
thing
rather
than
you
know
being
constantly
like.
I
think
most
content,
you
know,
except
from
like
operating
system,
people
or
whatever
it's
like.
It's
very
point
in
time.
You
know
it's
like
you,
never
have
to
worry
about
it
ever
being
changed
again.
You
know
it
just
will
magically
happen
somehow
or
you
know,
because
it's
coming
from
developers
who
are
like
yeah
I'll,
just
delete
it
and
write
a
new
one.
You
know
it's
like
me,
so.
B
D
What's
nice
in
the
openshift
space
is
the
deliberate
intention
to
develop
those
features,
the
automatic
updating
and
security
awareness,
alerting
and
monitoring
on
that
is
really
deliberately
built
in
and
it
is
included
in
the
training
as
well
how
to
leverage
some
of
these
features.
But
the
motion
of
open
shift
development
is
to
make
those
tests
either
all
obvious
or
automatable
in
the
future.
So
that's
what's
great
is
the
hard
and
daunting
parts
are
becoming
easier
in
a
container
world.
B
Yeah
yeah
and
I
really
think,
like
you
know,
even
when
you're
like
there's,
you
know,
there's
different
scale
levels
right
and
we
can
do
a
lot
of
stuff
with
podman.
We
can
do
a
lot
of
stuff
with
ansible
plus
pod
man
and
we
can
do
a
lot
of
stuff
with
openshift
and
different
scales
require
kind
of
different
levels
of
you
know,
input
on
that
particular
application.
You
know
or
a
particular
goal,
like
you
know
you.
I
think
this
is
the
other
one
of
those
things
that
people
don't
talk
about.
B
Enough
is
like
there's
a
big
huge
difference
between
six
or
seven
nines
of
up
time
and
two
nines
of
uptime.
Do
you
really
need
the
six
or
seven
nines
of
uptime?
Or
would
you
be
actually
like
my
movie
website?
Example,
it's,
like
you
know,
is
two
nines
plenty.
Probably
you
know
like
what
happens
if
the
trailer
you
know
I
mean
if
the
trailer
site
goes
down
once
you
know
every
so
often
I
mean
so
what
you
know,
people
just
reloaded
or
you're
gonna
miss
two
people.
B
B
A
D
A
B
A
A
B
Cool
all
right,
so
why
don't
we
jump
to
the
sweet,
sweet
internet
points
and
then
we
will
come
back
and
get
and
see
if
there's
any
questions
in
the
meantime-
and
you
know
if
there
are
not
any
questions,
then
we'll
kind
of
do
some
a
little
bit
of
a
closing
and
call
it
a
day.
All
right,
so
gonna
share
my
screen
again.
You
know
eventually,
once
I
find
the
correct
button.
B
Yes,
so
the
sweet,
sweet
internet
points
is
a
way
for
people
to
gather
points
for
coming
to
the
show.
That's
that's
the
primary
mechanism.
People
generate
points
for
another
way
is
to
make
suggestions
for
content
for
the
show,
and
so
you
get
some
points
for
that
as
well.
By
and
the
way
you
do,
that
is
going
and
filing
an
issue
on
the
github
repo
and,
let's
see
another
way,
is
actually
to
make
an
edit
like
a
pull
request
against
the
show
notes
about
the
show.
B
So
if
you
want
to
contribute
to
anything
like
further
reading
or
if
you
notice
a
bug
like
the
one
I
had
from
last
week,
which
I
put
in
the
wrong
date
for
when
the
show
aired,
you
know
stuff
like
that,
so
that's
another
way
to
earn
points.
There's
a
few
others
on
the
activities
page,
which
I
let's
see.
Do
I
have
the
link
on
the
actual
repo,
which
is
sorry
loading.
B
B
Excuse
me
and
so
yeah.
So
then
we
just
kind
of
present
the
leaderboard
and
we
sometimes
do
some
shout
outs
to
people
who
have
participated
in
the
show
or
sorry
or
who
are
new
to
the
show.
So
we
have
a
little
bit
of
that
today,
so
yeah,
so
it's
just
a
fun
little
thing
we
do
to
you,
know
kind
of
help,
engage
with
our
audience.
You
know,
and
so
I
highly
recommend
it.
I
would
really
like
to
see
you
know
all
my.
B
A
B
B
Please
be
very
careful
with
your
email
address,
because
if
you
type
it
in
incorrectly,
it
will
find
you
as
two
different
people
which,
in
my
opinion,
is
not
a
bug,
but
it
is
something
that
periodically
I
go
back
and
check
to
make
sure
that
it's
correct.
So
I
found
that
a
little
bit
today.
So
if
you
see
some
a
little
bit
of
weirdness
in
the
points,
that's
why
so
no
friction
with
3
900
points,
joe
fuzz,
with
2300,
detective
conan,
kudo,
2,
000
points
and
bacon
fork
with
1700.
B
I
would
also
like
to
give
a
shout
out
to
sloane:
was
there
nick,
who
I
don't
know
if
they're
here
today,
but
they
submitted
for
like
four
or
five
of
the
early
episode
shows
in
the
last
couple
weeks,
so
they've
been
going
back
and
re-watching
shows
so
just
keep
in
mind.
If
you
don't
have
all
the
points
you
can
get,
but
you
want
to
get
more,
you
can
also
go
back
and
re-watch
old
shows
and
basically
take
the
code.
That's
here
and
it
will
be,
it's
still
valid.
B
A
C
B
A
B
A
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
would
be,
I
think,
that'd
be
pretty
awesome
and
yes,
but
we
we
very
much
want
to
as
well
what
we
really
want
to
do.
Actually
is
we
want
to
send
you
free
stuff
based
on
your
internet
points?
That
is
the
biggest
gate.
You
know
not
to
mention
some
vendor
changes
and
things
like
that
from
our
swag
providers.
There's
a
lot
going.
A
B
B
B
Okay,
I
was
looking
forward
to,
but
so
yeah.
If
you
go
back
and
watch
old
episodes,
you
know
you
can
catch
up
to
everybody
else
who's
there
and
I
think
narendev
is
primarily
in
the
lead
because
of
show
idea,
suggestions
and
netherland
hackum
has
kind
of
done.
His
differentiation
actually
around
doing
a
pull
request
a
while
back
with
some
code
changes
so
yeah
so
participate
and
there's
more
points
grabbing.
The.
A
A
A
If
you
have
any
questions,
just
ping
me
via
email
or
on
twitter
at
chris
short,
I'm
looking
through
doesn't
look
like
it's
like
some
people
have
signed
up
for
learn.redhat.com
already,
which
is
awesome.
Thank
you
so
much
and
I'll
hack
them
found
the
playlist
good
job
yeah.
No,
it
doesn't
look
like
there's
any
points,
but
thank
you
to
everybody
for
participating
in
the
conversation
today,
we
already
have
over
a
hundred
chat
messages,
which
is
an
astounding
achievement
for
one
show.
So
that's
awesome.
Thank
you.
Everybody.
B
D
Yeah
I
appreciate
it.
You
mentioned
somebody
in
chat,
went
to
learn.redhat.com
low
barrier
of
entry
free,
get
in
the
conversations
you
can
get
a
lot
of
wealth
of
knowledge
there
and
then
see
what
course
is
right
for
you
to
step
into
an
actual
courseware
for
your
learning
journey.
I
think
that's
the
best
way
to
go
figure
out
where
you
need
to
be
to
calibrate
your
own
conversation
we're
all
in
unique
spots
in
our
careers.
It's
been
a
pleasure
chatting
with
you
folks
too.
So,
thanks
for
having
us.
B
Yeah,
no,
we
really
appreciate
it
and
you
know,
do
keep
in
mind
for
everybody
in
the
audience
right.
If
you
are
watching
this
live
and
you
think
of
something
later,
you
can
always
come
back
to
the
show
if
you're
watching
this
in
you
know
in
some
future
history
time,
you
know
you
can
always
come
on
the
show.
B
You
know
we
do
the
show
every
week
and
feel
free
to
ask
us
questions,
and
you
know
if
we
get
enough
of
them,
we'll
ask
you
know
these
guys
back
or
we'll
ask
some
of
their
colleagues
back,
so
we
can
get
some
different
faces
to
come
on
the
show,
and
you
know
so
you
know
we
can
always
we
can
always
cover
it
again.
If
there's
something
else
that
comes
up
that
you
didn't
think
of
right
now.
B
You
know
it
occurs
to
you
at
two
in
the
morning
tonight
or
occurs
to
you
after
you
play
around
with
learn.openshift.com
or
the
learning
subscription,
but
definitely
check
it
out.
You
know,
like
you
know,
people
learn
different
ways
if
you're
having
trouble
getting
your
head
wrapped
around
this
container
stuff,
try
something
like
training.
You
know.
Other
people,
you
know
just
it's
not
just
the
the
gurus
right,
don't
just
you
know,
learn
by
you
know,
reading
something
and
putting
all
the
pieces
together
all
the
time
right.
You
know.
B
A
Yeah
absolutely
so
check
this
out,
there's
going
to
be
an
episode
called
splat
and
the
vsphere
problem
detector.
I
can't
wait
to
bring
that
on
because
I
literally
had
to
ask
andrew
what
is
splat
and
that's
all
gonna
be
explained
as
explained
on
the
calendar.
So
if
you're
not
a
subscriber
of
the
calendar,
let
me
drop
you
a
link
to
it,
so
you
can
go
in
there
and
look.
B
B
A
It
and
then
at
noon
today,
we've
got
a
special
openshift
comments,
briefing
with
cyber
arc.
So
getting
you
know,
iam
working
with
cyberark,
that's
going
to
be
fun,
and
then
we
have
a
special
red
hat
enterprise.
Linux
presents
we're
actually
gonna,
be
talking
about
like
the
file
system
and
the
structure
of
linux
and
like
that
standard
and
then
where
to
find
things
and
all
that
fun
stuff.
So
yeah,
it's
gonna
be
a
busy
day
here
on
the
channel.
A
B
Next
time
we're
gonna
take
another
swing
at
docker,
composed
podman,
which
I
actually
thought
was
gonna,
be
this
episode,
because
I
got
them
totally
reversed
and
then
had
a
massive
panic
attack
last
night
at
like
nine
o'clock,
I
was
like,
oh
my
god,
we're
doing
the
wrong
show,
so
I'm
very
excited
for
it,
because
I
was
all
teed
up
to
do
it
today,
so
it
will
be
next
next
wednesday.
You
know
same
bat
time
same
bat
channel
and
thanks
so
much
for
coming
yeah.
We.