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Meeting of the Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee and the Court of Revision - 2 December 2021.
Agenda and supporting documents available at www.ottawa.ca/agendas
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A
A
A
A
lot
of
them
begin
their
speaking
by
thanking
mark
for
his
patient,
helping
them
to
upload
their
material,
and
so
it
was
it
was.
It
was
good
to
hear
you
know,
recognition
from
the
community,
a
member
directed
to
to
our
staff
so
mark.
On
behalf,
my
colleague
on
this
committee
and
city
council.
We
want
to
wish
you
a
great
retirement.
I
hope
you
you
enjoy
your
your
time
with
your
partner,
your
family
and
and
you
keep
in
touch
with
us.
A
So
I
have
a
small
token
and
you
don't
have
to
declare
it
with
the
with
the
integrity
commissioner,
because
it's
not
very
expensive
so,
but
I
thought
in
case
when
you
leave
us,
you
forget
who
was
your
favorite
counselor?
I
have
a
sweater
made
with
eli
alciantea's
name
on
it,
so
you
remember
who
was
your
favorite
counselor
all
along
and
because
you
always
miss
those
gathering
here
in
ben
franklin,
so
brought
you
some
lebanese
pastry.
A
So
I
hope
you
enjoy,
and
I
will
deliver
it
to
you
today
to
the
city
hall,
because
I'm
leaving
ben
franklin
to
go
to
city
hall
so
mark.
I
hope
you
enjoy
your
retirement.
I
want
to
wish
you
a
merry
christmas
to
you,
your
partner,
your
family
and
thanking
you
for
many
years
of
of
serving
us
as
a
committee
and
as
a
counselor,
so
I
feel
privileged
working
with
you
the
longest.
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D
A
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
item
3
and
5
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mention.
Only
those
who
make
oral
submission
today
or
written
submission
before
the
amendment
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
might
appeal
the
method
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
A
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days,
precipitate
of
the
applications
of
for
zoning
120
days
for
an
official
planned
amendment
to
submit
written
comment
on
these
amendments
prior
to
their
consideration
by
the
city
council
on
december,
8th,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
or
council
body
with
that.
So
we
have
no,
no
regret
we're
all
here.
Declaration
of
interest
see
none
so
we'll
go
through
our
consent
agenda.
A
A
is
the
minute
confirmed,
kerry.
Okay.
Thank
you
item
number.
One
is
finance
service
department,
which
is
graph
operating
a
capital
budget.
Welcome
back
to
this
one,
we
have
a
presentation
from
mr
brown
and
miss
nelson
item.
Number
two
is
a
preliminary
engineer's
report
for
pizza
greek
municipal
drain
and
we
do
have
a
speaker.
I
believe,
on
this
one.
So
we'll
hold
item
two
as
well
item
number
three
from
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development.
A
So
this
item
obviously
is
going
to
planning
committee
as
well,
but
came
to
us
as
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
the
outdoors
commercial
patios
and
what's
up
in
front
of
us
that
the
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committee
recommend
council
approve
an
amendment
to
section
85
of
zoning
by
law
2008-250
as
detailed
in
document
one.
Can
we
carry
item
number
three.
A
Thank
you
item
number
four.
Is
the
street
closing
part
of
3730
carp
road
is
called
john
street
and
that
the
agricultural
rural
affairs
committee
recommend
council
approve
the
closure,
a
portion
of
unopened
road
allowance
located
at
3730
carp
road
bracket
john
street,
in
the
village
of
carp,
as
shown
in
document
time.
A
So
for
that
reason
we're
recommending
to
to
make
it
as
a
walkable
inside
the
subdivision
and
to
john
street
and
from
john
street
to
be
on
the
main
street
of
the
village
of
carp,
so
we
have
no
speaker
about
it,
but
I
think
the
applicant
have
someone,
I
think
to
speak
about
it.
If,
if
we
have
any
question
mr
brown,
do
you
need
that
anything
I
said
or
what
I
said
it
covered
most
of
it?
A
No,
I
think
you've
covered
it
well
chair,
since
I
live
not
too
far
from
it.
I
probably
know
this
file.
Quite
a
bit
so
on
this
item,
can
we
carry
item
number?
Four?
Okay?
Okay.
Okay.
Thank
you
item
number
five.
Zoning
by-law
amendment
4400
fighter
v,
road,
that's
an
oscar,
so
we
do
have
a
technical
amendment
moved
by
the
vice
chair.
Maybe
vice
chair,
you
want
to
read
your
technical
amendment.
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C
A
A
A
C
So
this
is
the
draft
budget,
2022
presentation,
my
name-
I
know
members
of
the
community
know,
but
for
the
folks
on
youtube,
my
name
is
adam
brown
and
I'm
the
manager
of
development
review
for
the
rural
area
in
planning,
infrastructure
and
economic
development
and,
as
as
I
said,
we've
got
the
draft
2022
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committee
budget
for
your
review
and
approval
today.
Also
presenting
with
me
is
jen
nielsen
who's,
the
manager
of
asset
management
in
the
infrastructure
services
group.
C
C
So
the
areas
of
review
include
the
development
review
process
for
the
rural
area,
which,
which
is
my
team
and
the
rural
affairs
office,
which
is
managed
a
substantive
manager
is
geraldine
wildman,
but
currently
acting
in
that
role
is
mix
phillips.
Those
are
the
two
main
groups
slide
so
from
an
operating
budget
summary
perspective,
the
development
review
rural
proposed
2022
budgets,
approximately
1.97
million
dollars
arac
members-
you
will
have
received
a
memo
as
well
on
rural
fees
for
planning
applications
just
to
explain
some
changes.
C
And
what
happened?
Was
the
council
approved
the
rural
fee
to
be
the
rural
increases
to
be
increased
over
two
budget
cycles?
So
the
first
half
of
the
fee
increase
for
rural
was
in
the
2020
budget
and
the
second
half
is
is
coming
forward
this
year
and
that
memo
will
explain
a
little
bit
more
in
depth.
The
the
rural
affairs
office
budget
for
2022
is
proposed
at
approximately
1.14
million
dollars
and,
as
members
of
this
committee
will
know,
rural
affairs
office
does
things
such
as
community
building
grants.
C
The
ottawa
smart
farm
partnering
with
regarding
the
city's
agricultural
mandate
with
groups
such
as
just
food
and
the
rural
affairs
office,
will
also
continue
to
fund
action
items
that
are
included
in
the
rural
economic
development
strategy.
So
the
total
of
those
two
sections
is
approximately
3.11
million
dollars.
C
So
the
operating
budget
as
far
as
changes
are
concerned,
there's
an
adjustment
of
55
000,
give
or
take
potential
cost
of
living
increases
increments
and
benefit
adjustments.
So
that's
that's
the
relatively
straightforward
operating
side
of
things
I'm
now
going
to
ask
jen
nielsen
to
take
over
and
talk
about
the
capital
budget
highlights.
E
Perfect,
okay,
so
the
proposed
2022
capital
budget
for
the
renewal
of
city
assets
is
approximately
4.4
million
dollars.
Three
million
dollars
is
for
guide
rail
renewal.
The
guide
rail
upgrade
installation
program
provides
the
necessary
funding
required
to
upgrade
substandard
systems
and
or
new
installations,
where
warranted
1.4
million
dollars
is
for
rural
road
upgrades
next
slide.
Please.
E
In
order
to
accomplish
the
initiatives
identified
in
the
capital
budget,
the
draft
2022
budget
would
draw
3.9
million
dollars
from
capital
reserve
fund
and
500
000
from
debt
next
slide.
Please,
the
city
of
ottawa
maintains
nearly
50
billion
dollars
in
existing
infrastructure
assets.
All
of
ottawa's
infrastructure
assets
are
safe.
We
apply
a
risk-based
approach
and
ensure
that
priority
is
given
to
critical
infrastructure
roads,
especially
in
the
rural
area,
remain
a
high
priority
for
ottawa
residents.
E
E
Due
to
additional
investment
this
year,
the
city
will
be
delivering
a
substantial
road
renewal
program
in
2022,
allowing
us
to
address
many
of
the
roads
that
have
been
concerned
in
the
rural
areas.
Here
are
some
highlights
of
the
rural
road
upgrades
and
road
rehabilitation
planned
for
2022
rural
road
upgrade
be
second
line
road
south.
E
E
Next
slide,
please
draft
budget
2022
includes
approximately
4.1
million
dollars
to
renew
and
rehabilitate
structures
in
the
rural
area,
which
includes
bridges
and
bridge
culverts,
highlights
include
design
of
the
limestone
road
bridge,
construction
of
piperville,
road
bridge,
culvert,
construction
of
the
brew
street
bridge
and
design
of
the
century
road
east
bridge
over
mud,
creek
municipal
drain
next
slide.
Please
key
rural
highlights
that
were
approved
during
the
standing
committee
on
environmental
protection,
water
and
waste
management
includes
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
its
municipal
drainage
works.
E
The
six
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
is
for
anticipated
capital
works
under
the
provincial
drainage
act.
These
are
legislative
requirements
and
include
petitions
for
drainage
improvements
and
changes
that
come
in
throughout
the
year.
It
is
a
cost
recoverable
program,
10.2
million
dollars,
investment
in
drainage
culverts,
including
the
design
of
over
60
culverts
and
construction
of
over
100
culverts
in
the
rural
areas.
E
This
funding
envelope
is
for
the
retrofit
rehabilitation
and
or
replacement
of
asset
components
at
the
six
communal
well-based
drinking
water
systems
that
serve
rural
municipalities
or
sorry,
rural
villages,
including
carp,
munster,
hamlet,
richmond,
kings
park,
richmond,
west
vars
and
greeley
shadow
ridge.
We
also
have
16.2
million
dollars
for
sewage
pumping
station
rehabilitation.
E
A
A
If
I
can
ask
you
a
question,
jan
about
1.4
million
for
or
I
think
what
I
think
you
have
it
on
is
in
is
a
new
road
rehabilitation
or
upgrade
sorry
1.4
upgrade
so
we're
all
road
upgrades.
So
in
the
last
couple
of
years
we
did
not
see
that
fund.
Am
I
correct,
like
we
didn't,
have
any
rural
road
upgrade.
E
So
for
the
program,
we
look
at
many
factors
like
traffic
volume,
residential
density,
road
condition,
drainage
condition.
We
also
take
into
account
special
considerations,
for
example,
if
the
road's
an
emergency
route,
if
it's
a
boundary
road,
we
take
an
input
from
public
works
as
well
regarding
maintenance
issues
such
as
community
sorry
network
continuity
of
paved
road
networks,
because
sometimes
we
get
smaller
chunks
of
gravel
pieces
like
a
gravel
portion,
that's
sandwiched
between
two
paved
portions,
which
can
be
difficult
from
a
maintenance
perspective,
remote
locations
that
require
different
maintenance
practices
and
safety.
E
So,
like
rail
cross,
rail
crossings,
steep
hills,
we
have
over
400
sections
of
gravel
road
in
the
city.
It's
a
lot
when
we're
looking
at
all
these
factors,
we
have
to
consider
a
prioritization
so
and
it
is
fairly
expensive
to
invest
in
gravel
road
upgrade.
So
that's
why
it
may
seem
like
the
list,
isn't
very
long,
but
we
are
kind
of
picking
away
at
it
year
over
year.
A
Well,
I'm
happy
to
see
we
have
increased
the
envelope
of
the
rural
road
upgrade,
but
I
don't
have
to
tell
you
I
think
you
hear
from
all
of
us.
I
have
two
roads
in
my
area,
believe
it
or
not.
We
turn
them
because
we
cannot
resurface
them.
We
turn
them
back
to
gravel
because
we
thought
maintain
them
as
gravel.
Road
is
more
economic
than
keep
patching
and
we
cannot
differ
so
two
roads
in
in
ward
five.
We
had
to
turn
them
back
to
gravel
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
funding
been
increased.
A
A
A
F
Yeah,
just
a
bit
of
background,
chair
well
it'll,
be
in
the
presentation,
but
this
is
a
required
meeting
under
the
drainage
act.
Council
appointed
a
drainage
engineer
on
in
june
of
2019
to
prepare
a
preliminary
report
for
kisl
creek
in
canada
north
and
the
engineer
has
prepared
his
preliminary
report
and
he'll
present
his
findings
in
his
presentation.
G
G
Nine
is
under
development
phase,
seven
and
eight
presently
drained
to
the
shirley's
brook
watershed,
and
there
has
been
a
petition
from
the
owners
of
those
lands
to
divert
the
flow
to
the
kizzle,
creek
and
and
ultimately
kizzle
municipal
drain,
so
on
this
plant
but
respectively,
the
part
in
the
dark
blue
line
is
what's
now
kizzle
creek,
it's
not
presently
a
musical
drain,
and
then
it
connects
just
north
of
the
leggett
drive
second
leg
to
the
existing
kissel
municipal
drain,
which
is
in
the
process
of
also
being
amended
next
slide.
Please.
G
Okay,
this
so
we
were
appointed
in
in
2019
to
prepare
a
preliminary
report,
and
this
is
a
result
of
petition
from
the
property
owners
in
in
phases
or
stages,
7
and
8
of
the
of
the
canada
northlands
next
slide
please
now.
The
purpose
of
the
print
report
is
allow
council
and
the
petitioners
to
evaluate
proposed
solutions,
including
cost
estimates
and
determine
which
option,
if
any,
should
proceed
next
slide.
G
G
So
the
idea
of
the
preliminary
part
is
to
provide
information
to
facilitate
decisions
for
a
future
process.
No
bylaw
is
made,
nor
is
it,
nor
is
construction
permitted
on
the
basis
of
the
preliminary
port.
The
final
engineer's
report
must
be
repaired
and
processed
to
facilitate
any
desired
construction
next
slide.
G
I
included
the
developer
and
and
representatives
the
city
of
auto
staff
and
the
agencies,
and
this
was
completed
october,
15,
2019
next
and
then
on
as
part
of
the
drainage
actors
requirement
for
a
so-called
on-site
meeting.
Sometimes
they
are
held
on
site
more
often
than
not
they're
held
in
a
facility,
so
this
was
held
on
november
13.
2019.
G
So
we've
looked
at
the
at
the
creek
and
to
accommodate
the
diversion
of
flows.
We've
indicated,
which
is
incorporated
in
the
draft
engineers
draft
preliminary
report
or
the
final
preliminary
report
modified
profile,
modified
cross
sections,
improved
culvert
capacity
and
there's
required.
Cleaning
of
clearing
of
lands
adjacent
to
the
drain
were
required
to
facilitate
work
next
slide.
G
So
the
proposed
works
include
modifications
of
the
existing
kizzle
creek,
which
is
presently
a
natural
watercourse
between
its
outlet
to
the
existing
kisl
municipal
drain,
which
is,
as
I
mentioned,
terminates
just
upstream
of
legget
drive,
and
it
continues
up
to
the
outlet
of
the
existing
beaver
pond.
So
it's
a
total
length
of
about
2.86
kilometers.
G
G
F
G
It's
it's
includes.
The
proposed
works
includes
modifications
to
the
cross
sections,
which
is
additional
width
for
capacity,
flattening
slopes
for
erosion
control,
often
in
in
these
existing
drains
or
even
existing
natural
water
courses
or
even
existing
mutual
drains.
There's,
because
the
slopes
are
very
steep,
there's
the
tendency
to
be
to
have
erosion
and
then,
in
addition,
there's
proposals
for
rock
protection
for
erosion
control
next
slide.
G
G
Next
now
the
preliminary
report
was
circulated
for
review
and
consideration
by
the
mississippi
valley
conservation
authority
for
consideration
under
the
fill
construction,
alterations,
waterways
and
wetlands
regulated
by
ontario
conservation
authorities
act.
Now
where
comments
are
received,
then
they
will
be
assessed
and
where
appropriate,
included.
In
the
final
engineering
report
and
in
the
final
engineers
report,
it
gets
circulated
to
various
agencies,
including
the
conservation
authority,
fisheries
and
oceans,
mecp
and
and
ultimately
there's
a
requirement
to
either
get
an
authorization
letter
or
a
permit
next
slide.
A
H
The
drainage
act
process
is
holding
up
development
too
many
developers
require
resolution
of
sufficient
outlet
in
the
flooding
issues.
The
stage
7
and
8
serviceability
study
requires
the
beaver
pond
outlet
control
structure
to
be
upgraded
and
another
engineer's
report
to
update
the
section
78
section
78
report
will
be
revisit
will
be
reviewed.
There
are
problems
with
the
k,
l
and
100
stacy
applications.
H
Ncc
has
plans
for
improving
conditions
downstream
and
valuable
parcels
are
being
tied
up
due
to
in
the
canada
north
business
part.
Due
to
the
city's
failure
to
remove
the
old
channel
when
the
new
channel
was
created
for
the
march's
village
and
golf
course,
the
city
has
informed
cleveland,
they
would
need
to
submit
a
section
for
a
petition
to
add
their
clothes.
H
H
H
All
studies
in
flood
plain
mapping
have
been
chaining
changing
catchment
areas
and
modeling
parameters
and
have
conflicts
with
the
the
culvert
features.
The
final
report
should
not
rely
on
the
preliminary
report,
as
all
studies
are
unreliable.
The
section
78
report
should
be
tabled
before
any
changes
are
made
next
slide.
Please.
H
H
H
Extreme
topography
bedrock
and
limited
working
spaces
impact
the
ability
to
use
this
method
if
used
costs
may
escalate.
The
report
did
not
have
any
cross-sections
that
showed
these.
These
ravine
conditions
next
slide.
Please
downstream
flooding
prevents
sufficient
outlet
old
channel
and
march
carling.
Tributary
flows
need
to
be
resolved
and
included
in
the
studies
to
make
lands.
Developable,
the
2017
mapping
adds
more
floodplain
and
over
tops
the
downstream
railway
and
many
downstream
roads
club
link,
measured,
beaver
pond
2019
water
levels
and
calibrated
the
embassy
model
and
found
higher
water
levels
than
the
other
studies.
H
H
H
A
D
I
I
hope
you
don't
mind
me,
calling
you
faith
faith
is
that
okay,
yeah
okay
number
one!
I'm
just
wondering
your
it's
a
very
detailed
summary
that
you've
given
us
on
this
on
the
strain
issue.
I'm
just
I'm
curious
about
your
background.
I
think
it
sounds
as
if
you've
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
in
this
area.
H
H
I
have
been
monitoring
west
end
development
ever
since
2010
because
of
the
west
end
flooding,
and
I
re
I
review
drainage
engineers,
reports
and
all
sorts
of
stormwater
reports
and
and
that
sort
of
thing,
so
I've
got
quite
a
bit
of
knowledge.
I'm
also
a
science
librarian
and
I'm
a
trained
researcher,
and
I
do
considerable
research
whenever
I
do
make
comments.
D
So
you're
saying
in
your
report
that
staff
hasn't
the
drainage
report
has
hasn't
been
tabled
at
20.
It
hasn't
been
tabled.
The
2016
report
has
been
tabled
is
that
in
fact
accurate?
Yes,
it
hasn't
been
tabled.
Okay
and
what's
being
proposed
now
for
the
kizzle
creek
you're.
Seeing
some
potential
problems,
are
we
ignor?
What
do
you
think
we're
ignoring.
H
It's
very
deep
you'll
see
on
my
drawing
on
my
slide
that
showed
all
of
the
cross
sections
that
there's
a
lot
of
it's
very
high,
and
my
other
concern
is
that
the
old
channel
wasn't
removed
when
the
marshes,
village
and
golf
course
were
built
in
2002
2003.,
so
it
spills
and
it
shows
up
as
it's
still
there.
It's
got
another
tributary
coming
in
from
march
and
carling
area
and
it
spills
into
that
area.
Mvca
maps
say
it's
floodplain,
but
it's
it's
shouldn't
be
floodplain
because
it
it
was.
H
H
H
With
the
wrong
elevations
or
the
you
know
the
wrong
culvert
sizes
that
you
know
I
I
compared
the
aecom2015
and
mvca
colored
sizes
as
to
the
ones
that
are
being
used
by
ncc
and
all
the
other
developments
and
they
they're
all
different.
I
mean
you,
you
don't
know
what
the
elevation
is
and
yet
they're
they're
designing
buildings
and-
and-
and
you
know
it's
it's
preventing
preventing
development
in
the
canada
north
business
park-
that
brt
is
is
starting
to
and
the
new
special
economic
district
is
starting
to
escalate.
H
H
You
know,
there's
flooding
the
marshes
village
flooded
in
2004
hurricane,
france's
march
pumping
station
also
did
but
they've
made
changes
there
I
mean
they
have
a
berm,
but
they've
made
changes
there.
So
I'm
not
sure
how
how
the
system
is
being
impacted.
The
north
canada,
trunk
sewer
is
going
in
on
the
downstream
leg
drive
and
from
what
I
saw.
There's
not
much
clearance
there
to
upgrade
that
that
culvert
they've
got
water
mains
they've
got
storm
sewers
coming
into
it.
They've
got
the
the
new
trunks
who
were
coming
through
it.
H
D
D
We've
got
lots
of
development
the
business
park.
I
appreciate
your
your
insight
in
this
and
I
I
would
hope
that
other
members,
when
we
start
talking
to
mr
robinson
and
staff,
we
put
those
questions
to
them,
but
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
your
work
and
for
and
for
your
concern
and
interest.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
B
Thank
you,
counselor
also
interior
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
presentation,
I
don't
have
a
presentation,
so
it's
I'm
just
really
here
in
support
of
the
preliminary
report,
and
I
think
I
sent
a
letter
yesterday.
Hopefully
you
got
it
and
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
this,
this
sort
of
that
diversion
of
the
water
of
seven
and
eight
into
casual
creek
is
somewhat
of
a
result
of
2006
omb
decision,
which
was
to
try
as
much
as
possible
to
to
to
preserve
trillium
woods.
B
Otherwise,
we
would
have
to
take
down
some
of
the
trillion
woods
trees
to
build
upon
to
service
seven
and
eight
I
mean
this
has
been
ongoing
for
a
long
time.
Right
now,
we're
developing
in
phase
nine
we'll
be
ready
to
start
developing
in
seven
and
eight
in
2023.
So
we
hope
that
this
is
approved
today
and
and
goes
on
to
council
and
somewhat
of
an
expedited
process
to
get
on
with
the
final
seven
and
eight.
Thank
you
very
much,
I'm
here
for
questions.
If
you
have
any.
A
F
I
can
add
a
couple
of
comments
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
she
references
the
2016
section
78
report.
That's
improvements
to
the
existing
kizzle
drain.
That
report
has
been
drafted.
It's
with
the
regulatory
agencies
for
comment
currently,
so
it
is
underway
and
the
the
main
reason.
The
main
responsibility
of
the
drainage
engineer
in
this
case
is
to
design
the
drainage
works
downstream
of
the
development
to
ensure
that
all
of
these
there's
a
legal
and
a
sufficient
outlet,
and
that
all
of
these
concerns
are
addressed.
So
there's
been
modeling
done
through
there.
F
Modeling
that's
been
agreed
upon
by
the
developers,
consultants
and
the
city,
so
all
of
these
things
will
be
taken
into
account
again.
This
is
a
preliminary
report
very
high
level.
The
details
will
be
flushed
out
in
the
final
engineers
report.
If
it's
approved
but
I'll
andy,
would
you
like
to
add
anything.
G
But
there
have
been
very
extensive-
and
I
emphasize
the
very
discussions
and
negotiations
and
input
from
the
national
capital
commission
with
respect
to
this
area
and
any
impact
on
it
and
in
fact,
they've
they've
done
a
a
study
of
their
own
on
on
the
channel
and
what
what
wants
to
be
incorporated
there
and
we've
incorporated
that
into
our
report,
they're
also
quite
interested
in
in
maintaining
water
levels
in
that
area.
I
don't.
G
I
can't
speak
for
them
to
say
that
that
that
if
there
was
some
increase,
that
that
would
be
a
major
issue
but
based
on
everything
we've
heard,
their
concern
more
is
is
having
having
water
available
as
it
sort
of
exists.
Today.
Now
one
of
the
couple
of
things
that
we
have
proposed
in
that
that
report
again
has
had
a
great
deal
of
input
and
it's
been.
G
It's
been
taken
a
lot.
We
submitted
our
report,
I
think
in
the
fall
of
2017,
so
that
we're
still
working
on
it.
We've
recently
submitted
to
the
other
agencies
for
review,
but
it
does
include
an
upgraded
size
of
of
pipe
through
the
beechburg
rail
corridor,
which
is
close
to
the
downstream
end
of
that
that
drain
plus
increased
capacity
on
the
leggett
drive,
culvert,
and
so
we've
looked
at
at
all
of
those
aspects
in
that
regard,
so
that
I
think
it's
it's.
G
H
G
There
are
many
other
issues
that
have
to
be
resolved
with
whether
it's
conservation
authority,
the
city
or
other
agencies,
which
which
relate
to
some
of
the
items
and
issues
that
were
raised
in
the
presentation,
but
our
our
focus
was
was,
and
is
basically
on
that
section
of
the
drain
and
looking
at
it
from
the
point
of
view
of
the
municipal
drainage
act
and
preliminary
port
to
determine
what
would
need
to
be
done
in
order
to
accommodate
this
diversion.
If
it
was
otherwise
approved.
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I
note
that
you
say
there
are
a
lot
of
issues
that
faith
had
raised.
So
at
what
point.
This
is
a
high
level,
but
at
what
point
are
you
confident
that
those
that
those
issues
will
be
addressed
and
that
there
is
a
coordinated
plan
for
this
entire
area?
I
don't
know
if,
as
with
what
she's
saying,
is
accurate
that
you
know
it's
piecemeal,
but
I
guess
every
every
bit
of
development,
then
you
look
at
the
drainage.
D
G
G
G
A
Thank
you
counselor
last
week
I
did
manage
to
connect
with
our
new
colleague,
councillor
curry,
and
she
met
with
dave,
ryan
and
aaron
moore,
and
we
talk
about
this
one
and
I
see
she
you
come
to
our
committee.
Welcome
councillor,
curry,
I'm
not
sure.
If
you
have
any
question
today,
I
know
we
met
with
you.
We
answered
some
of
your
question.
I,
if
you
have
any
question
today,
I'd
like
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
to
ask
them.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
also
want
to
make
a
comment
that
I
had
I've
spoken
to
former
councillor
suds
and
I've
also
spoken
to
former
councillor
marianne
wilkinson
on
this,
and
I
have
a
pretty
good
understanding,
I
think,
of
what
is
being
proposed
here.
I
have
not
heard
from
the
community
that
there
are
serious.
C
A
B
F
Thanks
to
you,
mr
chair,
so
that
study
counselor
was
forwarded
to
the
drainage
engineer.
Any
any
past
studies
were
forwarded
to
andy
for
consideration,
but
it
again
this
this
process,
there's
two
processes
underway
here,
just
to
clarify:
there's
the
existing
improvements
to
the
existing
drain,
which
is
has
status
and,
and
it's
actually
a
very
short
section
of
drain
through
that
property,
meaning
the
ncc
property
and
then
there's
this
petition
under
section
four,
which
is
to
extend
the
drain
up
to
the
beaver
pawn.
F
G
Highlighted
in
there,
if
I,
if
I'm
correct-
and
they
correct
me
on
this-
if
I'm
not
it
was,
it
was
meant,
I
think,
to
be
a
like
a
section
65
report
to
to
change
the
status
which
really
is
is
is
of
the
lands
which
is
fairly
limited,
but
they
did
highlight
in
that
a
number
of
issues
which
are
similar
to
what
we've
included
in
in
our
report.
In
other
words,
the
channel
capacity
needs
to
be
looked
at
culvert
sizing
so
that
it
it
is
there,
I
might
add
we.
G
These
this
can
be
accommodated
without
having
any
negative
impact
on
what
primarily
on
water
surface.
Elevations
is
what
we
we
didn't
want
to
come
up
with
something
where,
where
the
floodplain
would
be
impacted
negatively
in
other
words,
would
would
be
higher
than
it
presently
is.
So,
and
in
the
end
we
did
preliminary
hydraulic
analysis
on
this
again
has
been.
F
All
right,
you
just
add
to
that,
go
ahead
here.
If
you
don't
mind,
sorry,
if
I
could
just
add
the
the
flows
that
are
proposed
to
be
directed
are
just
the
minor
flows.
So
it's
this
it's
the
two
year,
less
two-year
storm
event
and
less.
That
would
be
in
the
storm
sewer,
basically
that
outlet
to
the
pond,
the
major
overland
flows
are
still
to
be
directed
through
shirley's
brook.
B
All
right
I
mean
we've
been
getting
a
lot
of
these
I
mean
obviously,
as
suburban
development
goes.
It
goes
into
the
rural
area.
It
confronts
a
number
of
these
previously
established
real
musical
drains.
I
mean
we
had
one
at
the
last
meeting
with
savage.
Of
course,
we've
dealt
with
o'keeffe
miswa
drain
and
flew
ellen
and
faulkner,
and
monahan
and
arbuckle,
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
If,
if
we
didn't
have
the
applicants
go
through
the
drainage
act
process
to
find
outlet
for
these
developments,
what's
the
alternative
for
them?.
F
The
city
taking
an
easement,
perhaps
getting
agreements
with
numerous
landowners
is
highly
unlikely,
so
the
drainage
act
has
been
around
for
a
hundred
and
some
odd
years.
I
think
it's
one
of
the
oldest
statutes
in
ontario.
Just
for
that
reason,
and
what
it
does
is
allows
landowners
to
collect
water
and
discharge
it
on
downstream
properties,
and
the
drainage
engineer
ensures
that
there's
a
legal
and
sufficient
outlet
for
that
water.
Otherwise,
these
developments
couldn't
occur
in
most
cases
because
they,
the
city,
can't
grant
that
right.
The
planning
act
can't
grant
that
right.
F
F
Well
then,
it's
a
civil
matter
through
you,
mr
chair.
It's
a
civil
matter
between
landowners,
so
the
the
nice
thing
about
the
drainage
act
is
we
don't
end
up
owning
the
drains,
but
we
administer
the
act
under
the
provincial
legislation,
so
it
gives
the
municipality
the
authority
to
win
and
maintain
these
dreams
and
ensure
that
the
flows
the
conveyance
continues.
F
Without
that
there
be,
it
would
be
a
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
A
bit
of
a
gong
show
because
you're
right,
if
one
landowner
decides
not
to
maintain
their
drain
or
keep
their
their
drain
in
good
working
order,
it
would
cause
flooding
upstream,
so
they
they
need
a
legal
and
a
sufficient
outlet
and
that's
exactly
what
the
drainage
engineers
task
is
and
the
drainage
engineer's
role
is
in
this
is
to
ensure
that
any
approved
development
has
a
legal
and
sufficient
outlet.
B
F
That's
correct
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
before
we
bring
any
final
engineer,
support
to
canadian
council,
all
of
the
unnecessary
permits
and
approvals
are
are
contained
in
that
report
of
the
appendices,
so
the
permits
from
the
conservation
authorities
dfo
the
other
provincial
ministries,
such
as
the
mecp.
All
of
those
permits
are
included
in
the
engineers
report,
so
that
council,
when
they're
considering
the
port
report,
know
that,
if
it
gets
approved
subject
to
any
landowner,
appeals
that
the
construction
can
continue
and
the
drainage
works
can
be
constructed.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
councilman
mafia.
Those
are
good
questions.
Actually,
for
someone
been
on
this
file
working,
I
think
council
clearly
mentioned
all
three
council.
We
had
to
work
with
there,
but
there's
a
little
bit
more.
We
work
with
council
peggy
phelp
made
that
in
the
days
as
well
on
this
file.
So
that's
not
the
only
thing.
A
F
And
just
an
administered
chair,
the
nice
thing
about
these:
is
their
user
pay
right?
So
these
these
costs?
Any
costs
associated
with
the
drain
are
assessed
back
to
the
benefiting
land
owners,
their
private
communal
systems
with
legal
status
under
provincial
legislation.
But
I
agree
with
you:
a
hundred
percent
yeah.
A
Yeah,
so,
what's
on
the
front
of
us
today,
is
that
the
agriculture
and
rural
affair
committee
recommend
that
council
approve
the
preliminary
engineers
report
for
hazel
creek
municipal
drain
and
instruct
the
engineer
to
prepare
a
full
engineers
report
and,
according
with
section,
10
subsection
5
of
the
drainage
act
of
ontario.
So
that's
when
I
in
front
of
us,
can
we
carry
that
item
or
we
need
asynas
or
carried
it's
item
care.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
This
court
will
now
convene
for
the
first
setting
of
the
court
afrovision
under
section
46
of
the
drainage
act.
The
following
appeals
have
been
received
by
the
clerk.
We
have
jeff
nanu
and
we
do
have
dave
ryan,
the
drainage
superintendent,
any
owner
of
land
assessed
under
the
engineer's
report,
who
have
not
provided
written
notice
of
appeal
to
the
clerk
in
advance
of
this
hearing
should
identify
themselves
to
the
clerk's
assistant
at
this
time.
With
respect
to
be
heard,.
A
B
A
C
G
G
G
C
Thank
you
good
morning,
everyone
so
yeah.
My
client
is
jeff
leno,
his
property
of
butts.
It's
parcel
roll
number
10,
which
is
directly
above
the
storm
water
retention
pond,
which
is
being
constructed,
and
so
during
the
construction
of
that
stormwater
retention.
Pond
there's
been
the
contractor
there
trespassed
onto
mr
lune's
property
and
destroyed
a
number
of
his
trees
and
has
completely
altered
the
landscape
of
his
land.
C
So
I'm
sure
you
can
appreciate
his
hesitancy
here
in
seeing
now
that
the
drainage
or
the
drain
is
going
to
now
be
crossing
his
land
in
a
new
path.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
and
appealing
here
today
to
you
to
what
could
I
tell
my
client
is
his?
Is
the
benefit
here
for
him
for
having
the
drain
run
through.
F
Yeah
so
again,
this
the
the
court
can't
really
hear
these
arguments.
These
are
arguments
that
should
have
been
brought
forward.
The
meeting
to
consider
of
which
mr
lanu
wasn't
was
notified
drains.
Typically,
the
way
the
assessments
work
is
they're
assessed
to
benefiting
landowners.
So
having
a
legal
outlet
on
your
property
through
the
drainage
act
process
is
a
benefit
to
your
property.
F
G
C
G
Sorry
is,
is,
I
think,
it's
also
important
to
understand.
I,
I
understand
the
concern
raised
by
mr
benson.
If
adjacent
property
owners
have
gone
on
his
property
and
have
done
damage,
there
are
other
mechanisms
to
take
care
of
that.
It's
not
really
a
drainage
act
process
and
in
this
case
the
in
that
area
there's
an
existing
drain
there,
it's
not
a
missile
drain,
but
it's
it's
the
drain
so
that
the
work
that's
proposed
is
basically
will
improve
that
section
of
drain.
A
B
Thanks,
I
was
going
to
really
just
say
what
what
mr
robinson
just
said
in
terms
of
making
that
connection,
because
I
think,
even
if
you
go
to
the
tribunal,
you
have
to
understand,
I
mean
your
clients
understand,
there's
a
risk
there
right,
because
there's
a
there's
a
risk
there
that
the
tribunal
could
assess
costs
of
the
tribunal
appeal
back
on
the
landowner.
So
it's
important
to
know
sort
of
all
the
details
before
you
make
that
decision,
and
certainly
my
first.
B
A
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
So
since
no
further
question,
I
need
to
read
this
and
that
the
member
of
the
court
of
revision,
one
received
a
report
of
the
engineer
appointed
under
the
drainage
act,
entitled
amendment
to
the
engineers
report
for
the
established
municipal
drain
date
in
september
2021,
to
invest
for
the
first
chair.
A
F
A
F
This
is
just
a
tactical
correction
to
the
report,
so
there's
there's
numerous
landowners
in
the
watershed
and
one
of
the
roll
numbers
had
a
typo
in
it.
It
was
an
eight
instead
of
a
nine,
and
so
this
this
is
not
unusual,
but
so
the
appeals
coming
for
under
my
name
but
the
two
landowners
that
it
affects
have
been
notified
duly
notified.
So
I'm
basically
submitting
this
appeal
on
their
behalf,
so
that
the
engineer
can
correct
the
roll
number
on
their
property,
so
you
have.
Unfortunately,
you
have
to
hear
this
appeal.
F
Consider
the
appeal
rule
on
the
appeal
and
then
we
have
to
notify
the
landowners,
and
then
we
have
to
come
back
in
february
for
a
second
court,
at
which
time
only
those
two
landowners
can
can
can
appeal
again.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
convoluted
process,
but
so
my
appeal
is
just
to
correct
a
roll
number
that
was
incorrectly
identified
in
the
initial
report.
So
but
again
both
landowners
that
were
affected.
There
was
a
bit
of
confusion,
there
have
been
notified
and
they
have
no
issues
with
it.
A
F
And
we've
already
reached
out
to
them,
mr
chair,
and
so
what
we
need
just
today
is
just
to.
If
the
court
agrees
with
the
with
the
correction
with
the
appeal,
then
we
will
notify
that
we'll
need
it
we'll
get
something
in
writing
from
the
committee
coordinator
from
the
court
just
and
we'll
notify
those
landowners,
but
they
because
the
decision
affects
their
properties,
not
monetarily,
but
just
logistically.
We
have,
we
have
to
reach
out
to
them
and
notify
them
of
the
decision
of
the
court,
and
then
they
have
an
opportunity
to
come
back.
F
You
know,
typically,
if
you
were
to
remove
money
from
one
land
owner
to
another,
it
would
allow
them
to
come
back
and
appeal
that
decision.
Well,
that's
essentially
what
we're
doing,
but
we're
not
moving
any
money
around.
It's
just
a
tactical
correction.
So,
but
under
the
drainage
act
we
have
to
reconvene
as
the
court
in
the
at
the
next
meeting,
which
will
be
february
and
those
two
land
owners.
I
mean:
there's
no,
there's
no
monetary,
there's,
no
there's
nothing
financially!
That
affects
this
decision,
but
it's
just
the
way
the
process
works.
So
yeah.
F
C
F
Yeah,
it's
not
really
a
deferral
tim,
it's
just
the
fact
that
the
decision
so
they're
going
to
make
a
decision.
I'm
assuming
today
to
agree
to
the
appeal
to
to
correct
that
rule
number,
and
then
we
have
to
notify
the
two
landowners
that,
where
they're
that
were
affected
by
this,
this
mistake
in
their
role
number
and
then
they
have
an
opportunity
to
come
back
to
appeal
that
decision
of
the
court
which
they
won't.
If
this
is
just
a
technical
issue,
again
we're
not
moving.
F
Typically
at
a
quarter
revision
ford
has
the
authority
to
move
costs,
say
from
land
owner
a
to
land
owner
b,
and
then
that
decision
is
is
conveyed
to
the
landowners
that
are
affected
and
they
have
an
opportunity
to
come
back
and
appeal
that
that
decision
of
the
court.
But
in
this
case
it's
it's
a
technical
issue,
we're
dealing
with.
C
Is
that
correct?
Mr
iron?
That's
awesome,
and
I
apologize
to
mr
mr
desjardins
for
not
having
this
money
but
to
allow
the
appeal
correct
the
roll
numbers
in
accordance
with
the
submissions
of
mr
ryan
and
to
set
to
notify
staff
to
notify
the
two
concerned
landowners
and
for
there
to
be
a
further
sitting
of
the
quarter
revision
on
february.
Third.
A
So
right
now,
what's
on
front
first,
the
request
from
dave
ryan
to
to
here-
or
we
heard
his
his
appeal,
and
we
agree
with
that
and
and
from
here
on,
mr
ryan,
you
will
reach
out.
Do
you
need
a
letter
from
from
the
chair
or
you're
going
to
send
the
letter
to
the
last
to
the
resident
to
the
land
owner?
F
We
would
just
need
a
written
record
of
the
decision
and
then
we
will.
We
will
contact
the
landowners
with
the
cover
letter
just
to
explain
the
situation
again.
We've
already
reached
out
to
them
if
they
realize
it
was
just
a
tactical
errors.
But
yes,
if
we
get
the
written
decision
from
the
court,
we
will,
we
will
notify
the
landowners
of
the
next
court
again
they
they.
They
have
an
opportunity
to
submit
an
appeal
which
I
don't
think
they
will,
but
the
court
will
have
to
convene
again
just
to
for
that
purpose.
F
A
Yeah,
what's
what
was
missing
from
us?
Is
anyway,
it's
okay,
it's
not
in
the
material,
but
obviously
we
heard
you
and
we
agree
and
we're
giving
you
direction
to
to
carry
on
so
for
us,
mr
martinez,
anything
else.
We
need
to
do
at
this
point
other
than
receive
the
report
and
and
also
render
our
decision
to
to
mr
ryan's
request.
A
Yes,
mr
chair,
okay,
so
I
don't
have
a
motion
friendly,
but
you
heard
so
we
received
a
report
and
also
we
if
we
agree-
and
I
hope
I
think
only
the
five
of
us
can
vote
on
this-
one
councilor
mafik
myself,
councillor
jerus,
council
of
pitts
and
council
gower,
it's
the
five
member
of
the
court
provision,
so
the
five
member
agreed
to
receive
the
report
and
agreed
to
give
to
render
that
decision.
They
appear
for
mr
ryan.
F
A
Oh
okay:
now
we
just
have
okay,
so
this
court
accept
right.
Oh
sorry,
let
me
read
it
off
stranger
decision
at
the
conclusion
of
the
hearing.
If
appeals
have
been
filed
and
the
court
has
decided
that
there
shall
be
no
change
as
assessed
in
as
stated
in
the
engineer's
report,
but
correction
to
the
roll
number
for
id
one.
A
Five,
then
the
chair
has
stated
the
following:
this
court
denied
the
appeal
submitted
by
mr
jeff
leno,
or,
in
this
case
his
lawyer,
this
court
adopt
the
following
update
to
the
assessment
schedule
in
the
engineers
report
dated
september
20
21st.
Our
reference
to
the
roll
number
associated
with
the
parcel
151
shall
be
corrected
to
500
301.