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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee - 7 October 2021
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A
A
D
A
One
all
present,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
desjardins,
before
we
obviously
like
to
call
our
meeting
to
order
for
the
agricultural
affair
committee,
thursday
october
7,
2021
so
october,
first
week
of
october,
or
from
october
4
to
10,
it's
been
considered
the
ontario
agriculture
week.
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
with
your
announcement
I'd
like
to
make
a
few
comments,
what
does
it
mean
to
us
as
a
as
agriculture
and
rural
affair
committee
good
morning?
A
Everyone
thank
you
for
joining
us
for
today's
meeting
of
the
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committee.
I
don't
know
if
everyone
is
aware,
but
our
meeting
this
month
fought
right
in
the
midst
of
ontario
agriculture
week
agriculture
week,
2021
kicked
off
on
monday
and
we
run
through
the
weekend
just
in
time
for
thanksgiving.
A
I
can't
think
of
a
better
time
to
celebrate
the
farmers
of
ontario
and
of
ottawa
in
particular.
I
know
today's
agenda
is
mostly
dedicated
to
rural
zoning
applications,
but
the
first
word
in
our
committee
named
as
a
still
agriculture,
so
I'll
just
take
a
few
moments
to
recognize
the
important
role
agriculture
plays
in
this
city.
A
A
A
People
outside
ottawa
have
the
impression
our
economy
is
dominated
by
government
or
by
high-tech
industry,
but
the
fact
is
by
size
alone,
the
agricultural
sector
is
mass
massive
driver
in
our
city's
economy.
The
rural
economy
contribute
more
than
one
billion
to
ottawa's
gross
domestic
product,
and
it's
a
big
portion
of
that
generated
by
the
agricultural
activity.
A
Clearly,
agriculture
as
a
process
as
a
profitable
to
ottawa's
overall
economic
prosperity,
growth
and
diversity.
So,
as
agriculture
we
draw
to
close,
I
hope
to
take
some.
I
hope
you
take
some
time
to
reflect
on
the
important
role
that
farmers
play
in
our
lives
and
if
you
are
enjoying
a
meal
with
loved
ones
this
weekend.
I
also
hope
you
find
a
way
to
represent
the
local
farmers
on
your
thanksgiving
table,
nothing
tasted
better
than
local
grown
product,
and
nothing
is
critical
to
our
health
and
well-being
than
the
healthy
food
they
provided.
A
So
thank
you
for
your
announcement,
but
remember
our
farmers
in
your
prayer
this
weekend
on
thanksgiving
with
that,
we
will
start
our
meeting.
There's
a
chair
statement,
republican
for
open
zone
and
item
this
is
a
public
meeting
considered
the
proposed
upper
hands
of
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
announcement
listed
as
item
one
to
four
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mention.
Only
those
who
make
auto
submission
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendment
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
ontario
tribunal.
A
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
merit
to
the
ontarioland
tribunal.
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
recipient
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comment
on
this
amendment
prior
to
their
consideration
by
city
council
on
october
13th,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
or
council
coordinator
with
that
we
can
start
our
meeting
declaration
of
interest
cnn
before
we
start.
Obviously,
this
meeting
still
broadcast
through
zoom.
A
I
think
we
all
know
the
the
rules
of
participation
in
a
zoom
meeting,
confirmation
of
minute
minute,
25th
meeting
of
2nd
september
2021
of
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committee
is
the
minute
square.
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
item
number
one.
We
have
a
speaker.
We
might
also
have
a
small
presentation
from
our
staff.
So
we'll
hold
item
number
one.
A
Item
number
two
is
zoning
by-law
amendment
6420
and
64-31
ottawa
street
and
the
item
is,
we
have
no
speaker,
we
did
receive
two
codes.
No,
we
didn't
receive
correspond
this
one
right
there
mark.
We
have
that's
on
on
the
other
item.
This
item
number
number
two
zone
and
amendment.
We
we
just
have
technical
amendments.
E
Thank
you.
So
it
was
just
discovered
that
there
was
a
bit
of
an
error
in
the
in
the
map
attached
to
the
report.
So
the
motion
simply
says
that,
whereas
report
acs2021
pi
eps0112,
recommends
approval
of
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
6420-6431
ottawa
street
and
whereas
inconsistencies
between
document
one
location,
map
and
document,
two
details
of
recommended
zoning
have
been
identified
specifically
relating
to
the
holding
symbol
and
exception.
Numbers
therefore
be
resolved.
The
map
on
page
11
of
the
report
be
replaced
with
the
map
attached
here
too.
E
Be
it
further
resolve
that,
pursuant
to
the
planning
act,
subsection,
3417,
no
further
notice
be
given,
and
there
is
a
map
as
well.
That
was
an
additional
attachment
that
you
should
have
received
there.
It
is
there,
it
all
makes
I'm
sure
it
all
makes
sense
to
you
all.
The
map
of
all
the
different
spots
and
zonings
and
area
d
is
going
to
be
a
big
park
in
school.
So
that's
kind
of
cool.
A
A
A
B
Thank
you
good
morning,
mr
shariah.
There
is
a
little
mistake
and
staff
send
me
a
motion,
so
we
can.
Where
is?
Where
is
the
report
acs
2020
p?
I
e
p
s:
0
1,
1
3
details
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
1240
old
prescott
road.
There
is
a
typo
graphical
error
in
document
two
of
the
report
for
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
1240
old
prescott,
whereas
the
details
of
the
zoning
exception
should
be
referring
to
a
maximum
log
coverage
of
25
percent.
B
A
A
We
have
the
applicant
represents
in
the
meeting,
but
if
doesn't
need
to
speak,
if
we
carry
this
item,
so
I
say
hello,
mr
israel,
I
know
you're
representing
the
applicant
in
this
on
this
file,
so
we
have
no
further
speaker
and,
like
I
said,
the
staff
will
be
responding
to
the
two
correspondents
we
receive
from
the
resident.
So
can
we
carry
item
three
okay,
carry
as
amended
and
thank
you
israel
for
coming
this
morning.
A
Thank
you.
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much
item
number
four
upper
hands
of
zoning,
bylaw
2008-250
anomaly
report
affecting
land
zone,
rural
commercial,
subzone,
11,
rc,
11,
and
the
item
that
the
actual
culture
aurora
affair
committee
recommend
council
approve
technical
amendment,
the
table,
21
2018,
c-r-c-11,
sub-zone,
revenges
of
zone
and
bylaw
as
detailed
in
document
2..
A
E
Just
a
really
brief
question:
if
I
may
go
ahead
map
attached
the
map
on
country
lot,
subdivisions
applications
registered
draft
approve
and
pending.
Can
I
just
ask
if
that
map
includes
all
of
the
applications
that
were
kind
of
rushed
in
in
2009,
with
the
pending
moratorium
that
was
put
in
place
at
that
point,.
C
A
So
so
we
receive
item
number
five.
The
receipt
you
see.
Thank
you
item
number
six
and
that's
a
commemorative
naming
proposal,
bert
dowler
park
and
and
that's
in
osgood
that
the
the
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committee
recommend
council
approved
the
proposed
to
name
unnamed
parkland
located
at
100
high
guardian
terrazz,
bert
daurapar,
and
I
believe
mr
chenier
is
here
and
that
have
any
question
about
these
items.
A
Okay,
very
great,
thank
you!
Okay,
so
we
have.
You
know
in
camera.
Item
we'll,
go
to
item
number
one
and
I
believe,
I'm
not
sure
who
and
who's
going
to
do
the
presentation.
But
we
do
have
a
small
presentation
on
item
number
one
before
I.
I
think
crazy,
tracy
that
the
applicant
planners
showed
on
the
screen,
but
we
have
to
go
to
our
presentation
first
anissa,
are
you
gonna?
Do
the
presentation
or
mr
brown
good
morning.
G
G
next
slide
and
the
subject
site
is
a
portion
of
the
property
known
as
7731
fernbank
road.
It's
located
on
the
north
side
of
fernbank
and
west
of
jenkinson
side
road,
the
subject
property
as
a
whole,
is
approximately
73
hectares
in
size,
but
the
area
under
consideration
for
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
is
only
a
portion
of
that.
It's
about
55
hectares
in
size
and
and
the
area
that
we're
talking
about
today
is
set
300
meters
back
from
fern
bank
road
next
slide.
G
G
Thanks,
okay,
so
the
applicant
has
submitted
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
application
to
allow
for
a
pit.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
rezone
a
portion
of
the
property
from
the
existing
zone,
which
is
rural
countryside
ru
to
mineral
extraction.
Subzone
two,
that's
any
two.
Now
subzone
two
permits
the
use
of
a
site
as
a
pit
only
and
not
as
a
quarry,
so
the
difference
is
important
and
the
difference
is
that
the
application
would
propose
to
extract
and
consolidated
material
like
sand
and
gravel,
but
not
bedrock.
G
Blasting
of
bedrock
would
not
be
required
at
this
site
at
staff's
request.
The
applicant
have
indicated
their
concurrence
for
the
further
inclusion
of
a
special
provision
in
the
zoning,
which
would
explicitly
prohibit
the
establishment
of
concrete
or
asphalt
batching
plants
on
site,
and
I
want
to
note
that
the
application
has
been
submitted
with
a
concurrently
filed,
license
application
to
the
province
under
the
aggregate
resources
act
to
extract
material.
G
The
application
to
the
province
pertains
to
the
same
area,
so
it
would
exclude
that
300
meter
piece
of
land
closest
to
fernbank
road
in
order
for
the
province
to
issue
this
license
at
the
appropriate
municipal.
Zoning
must
be
in
place
and-
and
I
will
say
that
I
have
correspondence
on
file
from
the
ministry
indicating
that
they
have
no
objection
to
the
application.
G
Further,
I
should
state
that
the
city
does
not
have
site
plan
control
over
aggregate
extraction
sites,
review
of
sites,
site
plans
and
operational
plans
is
complete.
The
ministry
of
northern
development
mines,
natural
resources
formerly
known
as
mnrf,
and
they
are
responsible
for
the
ongoing
enforcement
of
those
plans.
G
So,
on
the
next
slide,
we
can
talk
about
where
the
site
fits
within
the
official
plan.
The
site
is
designated
general
rural
area
on
schedule.
A
the
site
is
not
designated
as
a
sand
and
gravel
resource
area.
However,
our
official
plan
is
quite
clear
that
there
is
no
implied
restriction
to
applications
for
mineral
aggregate
operations
outside
of
the
areas
that
are
defined
and
previously
designated
as
sand
and
gravel
resource
areas
and
that's
section
3741
of
the
official
plan.
G
So
a
sand
and
gravel
pit
is
a
permitted
use
in
the
general
rural
area,
subject
to
a
zoning
by-law
amendment
and
an
official
plan.
Amendment
is
not
required
next
slide
in
considering
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
a
new
mineral
extraction
site
in
the
general
rural
area,
staff
considered
relevant
policies
in
section
372
and
374
of
the
official
plans.
So
those
key
considerations
are
that
it's
incapable
pardon
my
cat
that
it's
in
keeping
with
the
rural
character,
it's
compatible
that
we
consider
impacts
to
natural
heritage
as
well
as
consider
traffic
impacts.
G
I'll
reiterate
that
the
proposed
is
a
sand
and
gravel
pit
pits
are
generally
smaller
scale
and
shorter
term
operations
than
bedrock
quarries.
They
do
not
involve
drilling
blasting
or
rock
crushing,
and
therefore
pits
may
not
need
to
be
as
widely
separated
from
sensitive
users
than
quarries
might
be,
based
on
the
information
that
the
applicant
has
submitted
to
accompany
their
license
application.
G
We
know
that
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
pit
above
the
water
table,
and
our
official
plan
indicates
that
the
area
we
should
be
considering
for
pits
above
the
water
table
is
150
meters.
That's
the
area
of
influence
I'll
note
that
there
are
no
residences
within
150
meters
of
the
of
the
site.
The
site,
as
I've
said,
is
proposed
to
be
set
back
more
than
300
meters
from
fernbank
road,
which
would
result
in
a
setback
to
the
nearest
dwelling
on
the
lucas
lane
residential
subdivision
of
more
than
325
meters.
G
So
with
any
extraction
operation.
I
understand
that
there
is
concern
for
noise
and
dust.
The
province
is
the
lead
agency
for
regulating
these
items
and
with
aggregate
extraction
licenses
the
provinces
and
is
responsible
for
ensuring
that
those
matters
are
are
enforced
within
provincial
limits.
So
the
applicant
is
required
to
mitigate
dust
on
site
and,
due
to
the
proposed
setbacks
to
sensitive
receptors
staff,
feel
that
these
matters
can
be
appropriately
mitigated
through
measures
required
by
the
province
in
terms
of
natural
heritage.
G
The
application
was
supported
by
an
environmental
impact
statement
that
indicates
that
there
will
be
no
significant
impacts
to
natural
heritage
features.
The
report
insight
plans
have
been
reviewed
by
staff
and
the
province
is
also
reviewing
for
natural
heritage
impacts,
as
well
as
species
at
risk
impacts
in
terms
of
traffic.
If
I
can
ask
that
we
go
back
to
slide
three,
I
believe
it
was
the
map
of
truck
routes.
G
The
application
was
supported
by
a
transportation
brief
and
it
was
updated
in
2019
with
2019
numbers.
I
I
believe,
and
it
discussed
the
exit
and
entry
point
of
the
operation
onto
fernbank
road
and
it
looked
at
traffic
volumes
on
fernbank
road.
Determining
that
the
access
point
will
function
satisfactorily
and
the
proposed
traffic
volumes
are
within
those
expected
for
the
road.
G
The
application
proposes
two
hall
routes
being
on
fernbank
east
towards
jenkinson
or
fernbank
west
dryer
hill
road,
munster
road
will
not
be
used.
Fernbank
road
is
a
truck
route.
It's
shown
in
blue
on
the
map
before
you
and
it's
in
blue,
because
it's
a
restricted
load
route,
which
means
that
during
the
spring
thaw
period
only
so
for
several
weeks
there
is
a
restriction
on
loads.
Otherwise
it
is
a
truck
route.
G
G
In
terms
of
road
noise.
We
don't
we
don't
really.
We
don't
measure
road
noise
on
any
roads.
Nevertheless,
an
acoustical
report
was
submitted
with
the
application
and
the
noise
consultant
assessed
noise
levels
under
existing
traffic
conditions
and
repeated
the
assessment
addressing
the
forecast
of
heavy
vehicles
on
the
route,
and
it
was
deemed
reasonable
approach
to
assessing
the
difference
in
noise
levels
and
was
satisfactory
to
staff
staff
are
aware
that
the
site
will
generate
an
increase
in
road
noise.
G
G
G
A
A
H
H
As
you
know,
my
name
is
colin
hurd
and
I
am
the
current
president
of
the
northwest
coolburn
community
association
or
nwgca,
representing
the
many
homes
and
businesses
that
characterize
this
diverse
area.
It
is
a
well
established
subdivision
of
mostly
log
homes,
also
known
as
heritage
corners.
Some
of
us
have
been
residents
here
for
close
to
40
years.
H
I'm
aware
that
copies
of
a
letter
and
a
detailed
report
that
we
submitted
to
the
coordinator
have
been
distributed
to
the
committee
members,
counselors
and
other
staff.
Probably
I've
requested
this
opportunity
to
speak
today
to
state
that
as
a
long-standing
community,
we
are
adamantly
opposed
to
the
rezoning
of
the
subject:
property
in
1996.
H
The
province
requested
the
then
regional
municipality
of
ottawa,
carlton
rmoc
to
rezone
all
privately
owned
lands
from
jenkinson
road
to
dwyer
hill
road
from
general
rural
to
mineral
reserve.
This
would
have
sterilized
these
properties
and
made
them
worthless
to
the
owners.
After
four
years
of
investigation,
the
rmoc
made
a
well-informed
and
correct
decision
to
deny
the
rezoning.
H
H
If
so,
you
would
know
that
our
rural
community
is
already
surrounded
by
no
less
than
four
quarries,
all
of
which
are
less
than
three
kilometers
from
our
properties.
We
are
subject
to
regular
blasting,
constant
truck
and
heavy
equipment
traffic
along
fern
bank,
road
and
munster
road
and
noise
and
dust
from
quarry
operations.
H
H
H
Actually,
it's
at
the
intersection
of
fern
bank
and
munster
base.
Basically,
there
is
an
extremely
dangerous
traffic
situation,
with
very
little
with
very
large
loaded
trucks,
turning
off
jenkinson
road
onto
fernbank
and
just
picking
up
speed
as
they
approach
that
monster
road
intersection
and
traffic
already
converges
on
that
intersection
from
three
directions.
H
Since
100
years
of
aggregate
and
supply
has
already
been
identified
and
protected
by
the
city
through
existing
zoning
and
the
subject,
property
was
not
identified
in
any
of
the
aggregate
resource
reviews
as
being
required
to
meet
city
supply
needs.
Due
diligence
should
have
been
done
before
the
proponent,
for
this
rezoning
purchase
the
property.
If
that
had
been
the
case,
no
reasonable
aggregate
operator
would
have
purchased
the
property
to
resold
this
land
for
a
very
marginal
resource.
Using
incomplete
and
suspect,
information
would
bring
the
city's
decision-making
process
in
these
matters
into
sharp
focus.
H
It
will
be
the
precedent
that
sets
the
stage
for
an
increasing
litigious,
ledges,
litigious
and
expensive
zoning
op
process,
with
a
dedicated
support
from
our
counselor
scott
moffat.
As
president
of
the
northwest
goldberg
community
association,
I
come
before
you
today,
representing
a
strong
and
united
community
to
request
that
you
make
the
only
responsible
decision
for
ottawa's
future
reaffirm.
I
F
H
F
H
F
F
H
F
H
A
D
Hello:
everyone,
as
mentioned
my
name,
is
stephanie,
I'm
a
wife,
a
mother
of
two
young
boys
and
a
resident
of
heritage
corners.
Our
move
to
lucas
lane
last
year
was
not
just
a
change
in
postal
code.
It
was
our
family
moving
to
our
dream
home
and
providing
the
life
we'd
always
wanted
for
our
children.
D
D
As
is
always
the
case
over
time.
Our
street
has
seen
some
of
its
founding
families
move
on,
and
younger
families
with
children
move.
In
again,
this
street
is
very
much
alive
and
active,
and
can
often
you
can
often
find
these
families
walking
together
some
with
their
dogs,
doing
the
loop
from
lucas
lane
to
fern
bank
down
munster
and
back.
D
D
D
I
understand
that
what
you're
looking
for
is
more
focused
on
numbers
and
figures,
but
I
implore
you
to
put
yourself
in
the
shoes
of
the
families
that
would
be
impacted
by
this
proposed
gravel
pit
and
truly
give
thought
to
the
health
and
safety
implications
it
would
pose,
consider
it
as
if
it
were
your
own
families
and
your
own
health
here.
Thank
you.
A
I
Very
good.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
committee
members.
My
name
is
tracy
zander.
My
company
is
called
zander
plan
and
the
professional
planning
consultant
I've
been
working
with
the
property
owner
for
several
years
on
this
project.
Some
of
you
may
recall
there
was
a
previous
application
for
a
pit
and
quarry
license
on
this
application.
I
Before
I
got
involved
that
application
was
withdrawn
and
as
you've
heard
from
your
staff,
what
you
have
before
you
today
is
just
the
application
for
a
pit
above
the
water
table.
Next
slide,
please
I'll
do
my
best,
not
to
duplicate
what
your
planner
has
has
clearly
covered.
This
is
an
excerpt
from
the
city's
geo
ottawa
zoning
map,
with
the
subject
property
kind
of
outlined
in
the
center
of
the
screen.
You
can
see
the
subdivision
that
the
residents
have
spoken
to
to
the
southeast
and
a
number
of
pitts
and
quarry
license.
I
Applications
surrounding
that
and
this
property
is
founded
on
the
call
it
the
north
side
by
the
transcanada
trail
next
slide,
please
so
the
application
that
you
have
before
you
is
the
zoning
amendment.
There
are
two
applications
happening
in
parallel:
the
zoning
amendment
under
the
planning
act
and
the
aggregate
pit
application
under
the
aggregate
resources
act
so
I'll.
Just
briefly
speak
to
both
of
those.
I
We
provided
some
additional
information
to
staff
and
eventually
this
application
was
deemed
complete
in
january
of
2020,
so
we
are
18
20
months,
since
this
application
was
deemed
complete
by
the
city
and
so
we're
moving
towards
a
decision.
There
were
several
rounds
of
review
comments
from
your
staff
and
you
know
got
bit
mired
in
covet
of
course,
but
here
we
are
provided
additional
information
this
summer,
and
this
is
the
statutory
public
meeting
for
the
zoning
next
side
slide.
Please.
I
I
Since
that
time
we
have
worked
to
address
various
agency
and
ministry
comments,
so
conservation
authority,
algonquins
of
ontario
several
ministries,
as
well
as
some
neighbor
comments
to
date.
All
of
the
agency
and
ministry
comments
have
been
addressed.
The
ministry
of
natural
resources,
ministry
of
northern
development
and
minds
apologize
whatever
their
title
is.
Today
all
of
the
ministry
and
agency
comments
have
been
resolved
and
they
have
issued
clearance
letters
saying
they
are
fully
satisfied.
The
outstanding
objector
from
the
ara
process,
as
you
heard,
was
the
northwest
goldberg
community
association
next
slide.
I
I
We
have
already
filed
a
final
submission
package
to
the
ministry
we
filed
that
a
week
or
so
ago
indicating
we've
met
all
of
the
requirements
for
public
notification
and,
as
your
staff
have
indicated,
the
outstanding
matter
is
this
planning
act,
application
for
the
zoning
amendment.
The
ministry
cannot
issue
the
pit
license
until
the
planning
act
decision
is
made
a
next
slide,
please.
I
So
I
I
won't
repeat
this
you've
heard
from
your
staff,
the
purpose
of
the
zoning
to
rezone
from
rural
countryside
to
mineral
extraction
sub
zone
two.
I
will
ask
for
the
next
slide,
though
this
is
a
an
excerpt
from
one
of
the
site
plans.
It
shows
the
the
operations
plan,
but
what's
meaningful
here.
Fernbank
road
is
on
the
right-hand
side
of
the
screen
and,
as
your
staff
have
indicated,
the
license
area.
I
The
rezoning
area
is
300
meters
set
back
from
the
north
side
of
fernbank
road
inside
that
license
area
will
be
a
berm.
The
vegetation
and
the
natural
area
intervening
will
remain
in
place,
as
the
one
of
the
previous
speakers
indicated,
the
road
the
entrance
to
the
site,
the
entrance
will
be
realigned,
so
you
can
see
that's
the
thick
black
line.
It
would
be
realigned
to
line
up
with
munster
road.
I
I
There
is
an
outstanding
objection
with
the
the
community
association,
so
I
anticipate
the
aggregate
application
will
land
at
the
ontario
land
tribunal,
but
the
ministry
will
not
make
their
decision
without
the
the
city
making
a
decision
on
the
planning
application
I'll
leave
it
at
that
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
A
I
I
don't
I
don't
have
that
statistic
in
front
of
me:
it's
going
to
obviously
depend
on
how
how
busy
the
pit
is,
depending
you
know,
on
projects
that
would
would
require
the
drawing
of
aggregate
from
this
site
at
any.
Given
time.
I
unfortunately,
a
counselor
did
not
have
the
statistics
from
the
traffic
study
in
front
of
me,
but
the
city
does
have
that,
and
hopefully
it's
been
passed
on
to
you.
I
F
I
Mr
chair,
so
I
think
the
traffic
study
quantified
the
potential
worst
case
traffic
if
the
site
was
operating
at
its
max
and
the
traffic
study
concluded
that
the
roads
here
could
support
that
traffic.
So
I
think
that's
an
absolute
worst
case
number,
but
I
can't
imagine
that
would
be
occurring
on
a
daily
basis.
F
I
Through
mr
chair,
I
don't
think
I
said,
there's
a
not
a
lot
of
demand.
I
I
don't
know
how
much
extraction
is
going
to
occur
here
on
a
daily
basis.
The
property
owner
asks,
through
the
license
process,
to
to
license
kind
of
a
maximum
annual
tonnage
from
the
site
that
all
of
the
pits
and
quarries
in
this
area
have
a
maximum
annual
tonnage.
So
that's
what
he
has
requested.
I
I
I
don't
know
on
a
daily
basis,
how
much
is
going
to
be
extracted,
it's
going
to
depend
on
demand
and
where
that
material
needs
to
be
hauled
to
to
meet
the
needs
of
individual
products
abroad
projects.
My
apologies,
why
are
we
licensing
this
site?
Well,
as
you
know,
aggregate
is
finite.
This
site
has
been
identified
by
my
clients
as
having
sand
and
gravel
resource
on
it.
That
is
valuable
and
worth
licensing,
and
the
the
provincial
policy
statement
says
very
clearly
that
there
is
not
a
requirement
to
demonstrate
a
need.
F
I
Through
mr
chair,
so
one
of
the
requirements
of
the
ministry
in
the
licensing
process
and
any
information
we
provided
to
the
city
is
to
do
a
hydrogeology
study.
Do
a
number
of
test
wells
and
assessments
on
the
site
to
establish
where
the
water
table
is
on
the
site,
and
so
the
pit
license
plans
cannot
show
the
pit
extraction
going
into
the
water
table.
In
fact,
it
has
to
stay
above
the
water
table
and
that
would
be
a
monitored
and
assessed
as
a
pit
operate.
So
this
is
the
same
in
every
pit
and
quarry.
I
F
So
I'm
told
that
the
area
that
would
be
required
for
a
turning
lane
off
burn
bank-
that's
a
small
area!
Would
your
with
the
company
foot
the
bill
to
put
a
turning
lane
in
there?
If
you've
got
that
many
trucks,
you're
going
to
be
backing
up
traffic
on
on
frinbank,
can
you
build
that
into
the
the
site.
I
I
Perhaps
one
of
your
staff
can
comment
on
that,
but
to
my
knowledge
so
far
that
hasn't
been
discussed
or
required
by
the
city,
the,
as
I
said,
the
the
current
entrance.
If
you
were
to
visit
the
site,
the
current
entrance
to
this
site
does
not
line
up
with
munster
road,
but
the
proposed
entrance
to
the
site
for
the
pit
would
line
up
and
basically
make
a
four-way
intersection,
but
there's
been
no
discussion
of
turn
lanes
to
my
knowledge.
E
Thank
you,
tracy.
We
heard
from
staff
presentation
that
your
client
has
a
commitment
not
to
use
monster
road
you're,
coming
out
at
a
four-way
stop
on
monster
road
monster.
Road,
of
course,
along
with
firm
bank
road,
was
in
was
kind
of
upgraded
to
a
restricted
load
truck
route.
Just
in
the
last
two
years.
E
The
truck
route
south
of
falloffield
road
is
a
full
truck
route
right
through
the
village
of
munster
and
right
down
to
franktown
road.
It
sees
a
lot
of
traffic
right
now,
because
quarries
that
operate
in
the
vicinity
of
your
applicant's
property
are
accessing
the
village
enrichment
and
construction
going
in
richmond.
Of
course,
we
know
richmond
is
the
going
to
be
the
fastest
growing
community
rural
community
in
in
rural
ottawa.
It
has
the
capacity
for
two
to
four
thousand
more
units
in
the
next
25
years.
E
I
I
Well,
that's
the
that
is
in
fairness.
That
is
a
challenge
I
don't.
You
know
it
can
be
written
into
the
site
plans
and
education
and
awareness
through
the
the
pit
operator
with
his
with
his
staff
and
the
trucks
that
use
the
site.
Once
you
leave
the
site.
Aside
from
the
pit
operator,
educating
his
his
staff
and
his
truckers,
it's
implemented
through
the
site
plan,
I
guess
that
the
ministry
enforces.
E
Yeah
so
minto
and
mancing
made
a
commitment
not
to
use
mantic
main
street
or
not
to
use
century
road,
and
yet
I'm
after
them
constantly
to
subcontractors
to
get
off
mantic
main
street
and
off
the
century.
Road
commitments
are
nice
and
all
they
sound
good,
but
they
actually
have
no
legislative
bearing
on
anything
that
we
can
actually
hold
them
to
account
on
it.
So
it's
a
nice
idea,
but
if
the
road
is
actually
permitted
to
have
trucks
on
it,
they're
going
to
use
it.
A
F
Thank
you
chair.
I
guess
my
question
is
I'm
going
to
repeat
myself:
the
regional
municipality
prevented
this
type
of
application
and
zoning
application
to
go
ahead,
and
I'm
just
wondering
what
has
changed.
Is
it
just
that
the
the
road
has
been
upgraded
that
there's
a
truck
route
in
there?
Now
I
I
I
it
this
kind
of
application.
If
you
even
followed
the
council,
it
just
just
just
distresses
me
that
we
changed
the
zoning
and
I
I
just
don't
understand
what
what
has
changed.
F
G
F
C
Thank
you
chair.
I
was
just.
I
would
like
to
get
staffs
some
staff
context
so
reading
the
counselor's
comments
in
the
report
about
the
2012
agriculture
aggregate
resource
area
review,
can
staff
give
us
some
context
as
to
why
that
review
was
conducted,
what
the
objectives
were
and-
and
I
guess
how
that
may
apply
to
this
application.
G
C
A
A
A
And
can
you
tell
us
why
is
it
is
the
requirement
for
the
zoning
approval
from
the
city
before
the
promise
maker
decision?
Is
that
unusual?
Because
in
the
past
we
know
we
didn't,
recommend
the
let's
see,
expansion
of
a
landfill,
but
the
promises
still
went
ahead
and
you
know
approved
the
ea
without
the
city's
acceptance.
So
can
you
explain
us
why
this
one?
They
need
the
zoning
for
the
ministry
to
give
the
approval.
J
Yes,
chair:
the
approval
of
technical
documents
such
as
the
ea
is,
is
one
matter.
The
issuance
of
the
license
for
operation
is
dependent
upon
the
facility
meeting
other
requirements,
including
municipal
municipal
requirements,
under
the
municipal
act.
You
know,
I
know
we're
dealing
with
a
planning
act,
application
for
zoning,
but
under
the
municipal
act,
sections
124
deals
with
its
quarries
extraction
sites.
J
A
municipality
can,
you
know,
have
restrictions
on
a
on
a
pit
or
a
warrior,
an
extraction
site
through
through
a
by-law.
We
typically
here
in
the
city
of
ottawa,
do
that
through
zoning,
where
we
regulate
everything
from
from
setback
to
potentially
hours
of
operation
as
well.
Under
the
municipal
act,
section
129,
I
think,
deals
with
noise,
odor
and
pollution
and
of
course
we
we
have
regulations
on
that
as
well.
A
Well,
I'm
glad
you
you
mentioned
is
just
a
check
box
in
in
the
application
and
the
ministry
required
from
from
the
municipality.
So
my
question
to
you
is:
are
staff
based
on
policy?
They
they?
They
recommend
approval
of
this.
But
if
we
say
no
to
this
to
that
check
in
the
box
what
yeah
that
means
they
go
directly
to
the
lpat
or
they
go
directly
to
the
ministry.
J
There
is
no
guarantee
as
to
what
direction
they
may
take
chair
in
a
in
a
refusal
or
if
we
are
at
the
lpat,
there
is
no
guarantee
that
the
ministry
will
provide
direction
or
comments.
I
have
been
at
the
former
municipal
board
with
respect
to
quarry
operations
in
the
past,
where
the
city
has
requested
submissions
from
the
ministry
in
terms
of
the
operation
of
a
particular
site,
and
they
have
been
silent.
So
there
is
no.
A
Okay,
I'm
trying
to
establish
is
basically
staff
have
no
choice
but
to
make
recommendation
of
approval
based
on
the
policy,
because
we
just
heard
from
staff
and
the
applicant,
they
don't
have
to
prove
they
need
that
pit.
They
don't
have
to
justify
the
need
for
the
pit,
but
our
policy
is.
Is
we
have
to
check
that
box
after
zoning
change
before
it
goes
to
the
ministry?
That's
that's
when
that's
on
the
front
fast
right
now,.
J
Mr
chair
planning
staff
can
probably
address
the
planning
analysis
a
little
better
than
I
can
with
this,
but
it
is
my
understanding
that
an
applicant
does
not
have
to
prove
that
this
is
a
requirement
at
any
level.
However,
whether
or
not
they
need
to
justify
this
in
this
particular
area
at
the
ministry,
I'm
unaware
of
that.
I
I
don't
know
what
goes
into
the
licensing
application
at
the
ministry
for
this
type
of
operation.
A
C
I
guess
I'm
just
looking
for
staff
to
confirm.
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding
the
counselors
comments
correctly
and
that
they're
conveyed
correctly.
We
have
to
have
three
planning
horizons
of
land
that
is,
is
zoned
or
available
for
aggregate
resource
use.
A
planning
horizon
is
20
years,
so
we
have
not
only
the
required
60
years,
but
we
have
100
years
currently
zoned
for
aggregate
so
is.
It
is
the
interpretation
that
we
have
absolutely
plenty
and
way
more
than
we
even
need
to
satisfy
the
province
and
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
aggregates.
G
So
some
same
response
I
provided
last
time.
The
city
does
have
that
analysis
of
aggregate
resources
that
have
been
designated
to
to
meet
that
planning
horizon.
Nevertheless,
our
official
plan
does
not
restrict
individual
applications
for
site
site-specific
applications
for
resources,
and
there
is
no
need
to
demonstrate
that
there
is
need
for
additional
resources
and,
if
adam
wants
to
add
addition
to
that,
that's
fine.
C
You've
summarized
well,
and
he
said
exactly
that-
there's
I
don't
know
the
exact
number
of
years
of
aggregate
that
has
been
designated
in
the
official
plan
through
the
through
the
designations
of
the
bedrock
and
santa
gravel
areas.
It
it's
certainly
a
long-term
horizon.
There's
no
doubt
about
that.
But
as
a
niece
said,
there's
it's
the
language
is
clear:
in
the
op,
that's
site-specific
extraction,
zoning
bylaw
amendments
can
be
applied
for
and
that's
what
this
particular
applicant
has
done
and
gone
through
the
process
as
per
vlp.
C
J
Chair
at
this
time,
I
would
be
hesitant
to
make
statements
on
what
a
potential
argument
would
be
from
the
city
on
this.
However,
I
will
advise
that,
should
this
committee
decide
to
refuse
the
staff
recommend
the
staff
recommendation
today,
reasons
must
be
provided
to
accompany
the
refusal
of
the
staff
recommendation,
and
so
that
that
is
certainly
something
that
that
staff
can
can
assist.
This
committee
with
in
terms
of
technical
details
for
planning
approvals.
C
G
That
metamenta
is
correct.
The
the
site
is
not
under
our
site
plan
approval,
the
we
don't
have
site
plan
approval,
the
ministry
of
natural
resources
and
forestry
would
be
the
approval
authority
for
those
details.
I
believe
standard
setbacks
of
30
meters
are
what
are
currently
illustrated
on
the
operations
plan.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
won't
be
I'll.
Be
brief.
Most
of
the
question
my
colleague
asked,
but
I
have
a
question
to
clarify.
Maybe
mr
brown,
this
is
a.
This
is
a
site
we're
talking
about,
usually
when,
when
when
we
have
a
application
situation
like
that,
we
only
have
to
do
lifting
on
the
zoning
property
if
it's
already
has
zone,
but
this
is
here
we're
talking
totally
different.
This
is
a
full
blown
rezoning
on
that
property.
Can
you
please
clarify
that,
for
me,.
C
Yes,
that's
correct,
so,
as
we
were
talking
about
earlier,
there
are
areas
designated
in
the
official
plan
for
future
extraction
and
quite
often
they're
for
lack
of
a
better
term
pre-zoned
with
a
mineral
extraction
zone
and
a
holding
provision
where
there
are
certain
issues
that
must
be
reviewed
by
planning
staff
before
the
holding
provision
can
be
removed
and
staff
have
delegated
authority
to
do
so.
This
is
a
different
situation
in
that
this
area
is
designated
general
rural
and
was
not
designated
in
the
in
the
official
plan
for
future
extraction.
C
B
Thank
you,
mr
brown,
and
I
know
that
mr
chair,
like
I
read
the
comments
from
my
counselor
colleague
I'll,
be
supporting
councillor
moffett,
because
we
do
have
a
plenty
of
resources
and
we
do
have
plenty
of
aggregate
available
in
the
market.
In
the
meantime,
unless
we
have
shortage,
then
it
will
be
a
different
story,
but
anyway,
those
are
my
comment.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
stopping
for
the
report.
E
G
A
E
C
E
E
C
E
A
E
Thanks
so
my
comments,
counselor
gower
was
referencing.
Some
of
my
comments.
I
was
heavily
involved
in
the
in
the
official
plan
review
back
in
2013
and
the
aggregate
review
that
we
did
citywide
with
robin
vanderland
at
that
time,
and
we
were
doing
a
village
review
at
the
same
adam,
adam
and
robin
we're
working
closely
together
on
those
on
those
matters.
E
E
E
We
settled
on
the
fact
that
we
had
120
years
of
supply
for
aggregate
resource
for
limestone
extraction
and
we
had
60
years
supply
for
santa
gravel.
Originally
this
site,
the
application
was
for
a
quarry
license.
It
was
for
a
limestone
resource
zoning.
It
was
not
for
sand
and
gravel
extraction
and
it
was
certainly
for
more
than
just
above
the
waterline
of
course,
in
this
area.
E
When
heritage
corners
was
built-
and
I
I
don't
just-
have
an
affinity
toward
harris
corners
because
the
name
of
the
street
is
lucas
lane,
which
happens
to
be
the
name
of
my
two
oldest
boys-
it's
it's
that
it's
it's.
It's
got
its
fair
share
of
of
quarries,
there's
1500
acres,
zoned,
either
mineral
extraction
or
mineral
resource
within
three
kilometers
of
of
lucas
lane,
whether
it's
south
side,
most
of
it
is,
is
north.
We
we
had
an
application
for
a
taggart
corey
in
this
area.
E
Recently
the
community
was
concerned
about,
but
we
did
approve
it.
We
approved
it
because
the
property
was
zoned
mineral
reserve.
The
intent
was
that
it
would
become
a
quarry.
So
it
did,
this
site
was
not.
The
site
was
never
identified
for
for
mineral
extraction.
We
we
know
that
that
the
rmoc
made
that
decision.
Of
course
that's
a
political
decision
and
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
asking
for
today
as
well.
We
know
what
the
financial
policies
does
now.
E
The
price
policy
on
on
on
protecting
lands
is
interesting,
somewhat
vague
and
then
it
just
says
we
have
to
protect
as
much
aggregate
resources
as
reasonably
realistically
possible.
Well,
in
the
1990s,
it
was
determined
realistically
possible
with
that
60
60
years
that
three
planet
horizons.
I
don't
believe
we
need
this.
I
believe
we
need
this
site
in
order
to
achieve
what
we
need
at
the
city.
It's
not
our
obligation
to
zone
properties
just
because
someone
buys
it
and
they
want
to
use
it
for
such
when
a
developer
buys
primary
culture
lands.
E
It's
not
our
obligation
to
give
them
the
right
to
be
able
to
develop
on
it.
I
would
say
the
same
is
true
here
that
it's
not
our
obligation,
just
because
a
quarry
operator
has
purchased
this
site
with
the
intention
of
a
quarry.
I
realized
what
we're
seeing
here
is
for
a
santa
gravel
pit,
but
the
original
application
was
for
a
quarry,
and
not
just
300
meters.
Actually,
with
the
whole
site
was
the
recommendation
to
the
to
the
province
and
to
the
city
was
to
zone
the
entire
site
for
a
quarry.
E
I
would.
I
would
suggest
that
getting
the
me2
zone
is
a
step
toward
a
quarry
when
you've
exhausted
the
santa
gravel
resource
you
still
own
a
site
that
has
ample
amount
of
limestone
underneath
and
you
can
still
seek
to
get
that
cord.
It
doesn't
belong
here.
We
have
plenty
in
this
area
already,
as
as
shown
through
our
aggro,
our
very
own
aggregate
resource
study.
We
have
plenty
across
the
city,
close
access
to
market
we've
already
got
it
covered.
E
A
D
A
Nays,
so
the
motion
carried
that
on
a
report
as
amended.
Okay
as
amanda
with
the
motion,
obviously
absolutely
scary.
Thank
you.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
to
staff.
This
is
thank
you.
This
is
nothing
really
directed
to
ourselves.
That
did
what
the
policies
and
I'm
it's
up
to
us.
I
think
to
make
that
change.
I
find
it
is.
Ironically.
A
The
promise
need
us
to
do
this,
but
anyway
that's
for
another
debate,
but
thank
you,
anita,
adam
and
traffic
staff
for
participating
today
in
the
meeting
open
mic
session,
we
have
no
one
correct
much.
No
one
signed
up
for
open
mic
session,
correct,
okay
notice
of
motion
for
construction
and
of
subsequent.