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Item
number:
four:
we
don't
have
anyone
to
speak
to
this.
This
is
updates
to
the
heritage
grant
program
for
building
restoration.
Anyone
the
audience
want
to
speak
to
this.
It
is
the
same
funding
that
we've
had
it's
very
popular
program.
We
run
out
of
money
every
year
halfway
through,
but
is
that
is
that?
C
Okay,
thank
you
and
number
five
is
the
is
one
of
the
ones
that
vice-chair
Petoskey
has
declared
an
interest
on,
and
we
do
have
speakers
on
that
and
number
six.
Is
the
designation
of
Finnish
American,
the
company
tour
stickers
on
that
one's
okay,
so
we're
carrying
nothing
and
we're
starting
back
at
item
number
one.
C
So
the
first
item
is
finish:
three
and
a
half
Santander
Street
a
properly
designated
under
part,
five
of
the
interior,
Heritage
Act
and
located
in
the
motel,
was
Heritage
Conservation
District,
and
we
did
have
this
honor
agenda
last
time
and
and
it
was
deferred
to
this
meeting.
So
does
anyone
have
any
questions
of
staff
before
I
asked
the
delegations
to
come
forward
that
are
wanting
to
speak?
No,
so
our
first
speaker
is
fancying.
It
really
hair.
Did
you
come
back?
Did
you
want
to
speak
again
today?
E
Also
has
a
carport
right
next
to
it,
and
the
roof
of
that
carport
is
in
really
bad
shape
and
animus
dead
animus
fall
between
our
stone
wall.
Building
in
that
carport,
as
I
said
there
before,
there
are
many
rodents
that
housing
in
that
building,
so
I'm
just
wondering
what
the
city
will
do
about
the
adjacent
building.
If
that's
wind
arena
half
is
demolished
all.
C
F
A
Good
morning,
I
recognize
this
is
a
difficult
file,
because
I've
seen
the
property
and
it
is
in
terrible
condition.
However,
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
it
is
a
contributing
resource
and
Heritage
Conservation
District
Lower
Town
West
is
being
nibbled
the
way
until
it
looks
like
a
piece
of
Swiss
cheese
and
often
it's
argued
that
these
are
insignificant
buildings
and
indeed
that's
why
the
deaths
that
the
district
was
designated
because
it
is
a
it
was
at
the
time
of
designation,
at
least
a
coherent
collection
of
working
houses,
working
class
houses
and.
A
A
C
C
No
I'm
just
going
to
read
you
a
sentence
of
it
if
the
building
cannot
be
saved-
and
this
is
after
she's
pointed
out,
it's
clearly
a
case
of
demolition
by
neglect
and
it's
unfortunate
building
standing
by
us.
We
automatically
enforce
in
the
past.
We
all
know-
and
we
say
this
at
every
meeting
now
we
do
have
a
policy
at
the
city.
We
are
very
serious
about
maintaining
our
heritage
properties,
but
it
is
going
to
take
a
bit
of
time
while
we
deal
with
the
ones
that
were
neglected
so
badly.
C
So
in
this
case
the
question
that
is
being
asked
by
miss
Meilin
on
behalf
of
heritage
Ottawa.
If
the
building
cannot
be
saved,
it
should
at
least
be
subject
to
a
thorough
recording
in
any
salvageable
elements
such
as
porch
features
very
emotive
purpose.
Would
it
be?
Did
you
have
the
ability
to
have
a
look
at
that,
or
would
you
be
interested
in
doing
so
or
have
you
already
had
that?
What
can
you
determine
that
there
isn't
anything
I
know
that
the
last
thing
you
were
talking
about?
Even
the
windows-
you
don't
think,
are
the
away.
F
C
I
can
also
say
that
the
ward
councillor
breast
cancer,
that
chief
Larry
sent
an
email
supporting
the
demolition
yesterday,
Brennen
yeah
reluctantly.
You
know
he
understands
the
value
of
the
properties
that
we're
trying
to
save
I
think
it's.
How
we
go
forward
from
now
is
what
we
have
control
over
and
not
what
was
done
in
the
past,
and
we
can
sit
here
every
meeting
and
bash
everybody
that
hasn't
taken
care
of
it,
and
we
are
pretty
good
at
that.
But
really
you
know
understanding
what
we
need
to
do
to
change
that.
D
Think
that
there's
an
expectation
by
the
heritage
community
and
the
public
that
somehow
the
City
Council
has
drawn
a
line
in
the
sand
to
prevent
future
demolition
by
neglect
and
I.
Guess
people
are
kind
of
wondering
we're.
At
the
last
meeting
we
approved
the
demolition
of
the
building
on
Cumberland
and
and
memory,
and
now
this
one
will
there
be
one
at
each
meeting
that
the
and
keeps
moving
and
I
think
that,
from
what
we
understand,
the
new
reinforced
bylaws
that
the
council
has
approved
are
to
actually
make
this
effective.
D
As
of
now
and
I,
just
wondered
whether
or
not
selling
or
less.
They
could
comment
on
the
your
understanding
of
how
the
heritage
staff
will
be
kept
up
to
date
by
the
those
that
are
enforcing
the
property
standards.
Bylaws
say
on
a
monthly
basis
as
to
what
the
status
is
of
orders
relating
to
buildings
within
part5
heritage,
districts
or
part
four,
so
that
just
let
us
know
if
you
have
some
comfort
level
that
now
it's
going
to
be
monitored
closely
by
heritage
staff.
H
Through
you,
madam
chair,
yes,
since
the
the
list
which
we
have
talked
about
at
various
meetings
was
established
and
we
have
a
close
relationship
with
Linda
Anderson
and
the
people
that
work
for
her,
so
we
are
keeping
better
tabs
on
all
the
buildings
that
are
empty
and,
of
course,
with
the
stricter
enforcement
of
board
up
bylaws,
etc,
etc.
These
buildings
will
be
in
a
more
secure
state,
so
are
not
so
likely
to
deteriorate,
plus,
of
course,
that
list
is
generated
by
inspectors
by
my
staff
and
by
the
public.
H
So
if
there
is
a
building
that
that
a
member
of
the
subcommittee
is
aware
of
that,
we
may
not
perhaps
be
aware
of.
We
always,
and
you
can
always
tell
us
and
we
can
get
it
on
the
list
so
on
the
stricter
enforcement
can
be
put
in
place
and
these
buildings
will
we
mean
and
not
be
allowed
to
deteriorate.
C
Okay,
so
if
this
committee
I
want
to
get
to
this
step
beyond
that,
if
this
committee
approves
the
demolition
it
may
be
a
while
before
the
demolition
actually
happens
and-
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
conditions
that
are
cut
were
currently
there,
for
example
the
the
ones.
The
pictures
that
you
showed
us
last
time
missile
are
not
that's
not
allowed
to
continue,
because
that's
unfair
to
the
neighbors.
C
If
we
make
a
decision
on
demolition-
and
it
can't
happen,
I
want
to
make
sure
the
property
centers
are
going
to
go
and
make
sure
that
the
holes
in
the
roofs
are
sealed
that
the
animals
that
are
living
there
no
longer
have
access
to
to
enter
the
property
and
that
the
fear
of
fire
and
those
sort
of
things
are
the
best
of
the
ability
of
by
law.
Services
be
taken
care
of.
So
that's
dealing
with
the
fact
after
the
demolition
is
allowed,
because
that's
I
mean
it
puts
the
entire
heritage
district
at
rest.
H
Spoken
to
I'm
sure
welcome
to
regarding
this,
because,
of
course,
you
know
the
mandate
under
the
heritage,
a
casino
ends
with
the
recommendation
of
the
committee
and
the
issuance
of
a
heritage
permit,
but
again
they
assurance
that
something
will
happen.
So
if,
if
the
heritage
permit
is
issued
and
there's
no
immediate
action
than
property
standards
can
go
in
and
issue
board
up
orders,
and
if
these
aren't
undertaken,
then
they
can
go
in
after
seven
days
and
do
the
work
and
charge
it
back
to
to
the
property
owner.
So
there
is
a
relatively,
but
that's
if.
C
C
C
Okay.
Next
item
is
designation
of
the
and
reflect
house
at
593,
no
Avenue
West,
this
vacuity.
Would
you
like
to
have
a
presentation
on
this,
or
are
you
I?
Don't
know
that
stack
I
prepared
for
that
J
of
you,
which
I
perceive
a
presentation
on
this
okay?
Thank
you
California.
We
just
approved
the
demolition
of,
and
thank
you
for
your
correspondence
last
night,
and
we
also
have
asked
that
we're
going
to
follow
up
until
the
demolition
occurs
and
make
sure
that
the
property
is
as
safe
as
can
be.
Okay,
all
right.
F
Good
morning,
everybody
so
what's
before
us
for
the
community
today
is
the
designation
of
the
Alexander
Fleck
house.
The
Andrew
Fleck
house
is
already
designated
at
593
Monet
Avenue
West
on
their
part
floor
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
Now
it's
an
Affleck
is
Andrews
brother.
If
you
know
anything
about,
Andrew
was
Andrews
brother.
F
F
This
is
a
bird's-eye
view
of
the
property
right
here.
So,
as
you
can
see,
it's
quite
a
large
house
street
view
of
the
property.
So
this
is
along
Laurier.
Looking
east
northeast.
What's
the
property,
this
is
along
Bronson.
You
can
see
this
stone
retaining
wall
as
well,
looking
west
towards
the
property.
F
It's
an
excellent
example
of
the
Queen
Anne
Revival
style,
including
many
typical
details.
It's
two
and
a
half
stories
with
a
complex
roof
with
many
different
pitches
and
Gables
multiple
materials.
You
see,
brick,
stucco,
wood,
decorative
brickwork
and
tall
chimneys.
The
building
the
exterior
of
the
building
has
a
very
high
level
of
architectural
integrity.
It
has
had
a
couple
of
additions
over
time,
but
in
general
retains
its
many
of
its
historic
details
and
then
just
to
give
you
the
context.
F
F
The
provincial
policy
statement
also
states
that
significant
both
heritage,
resources
and
cultural
heritage
landscapes
will
be
conserved
and
then
section
29
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
is
the
piece
of
legislation
that
is
used
by
the
municipality
designate
properties
of
cultural
heritage
value.
However,
in
order
to
designate
a
property
under
part
4
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
it
must
meet
one
of
the
three
criteria
outlined
in
Ontario
regulation
or
906.
F
The
three
criteria,
as
you
may
be
aware,
and
you
will
become
increasingly
familiar
with
associated
or
design
a
physical
value
and
contextual
value,
so
I'm
just
going
to
quickly
go
through
each
of
the
criteria
as
to
why
this
building
meets
the
criteria.
So
on
your
design,
value
as
I
mention
it's
an
excellent
example
of
the
Queen
Anne
Revival
style.
We
don't
know
for
sure
who's
the
architect
was,
but
there
is
some
speculation
that
it
was
designed
by
the
same
architect
as
Andrew
flex
house
on
Broad
Street.
F
So
his
staff
recommendation
looks
like
thank
you.
The
staff
recommendation
is
that
the
community
recommend
the
issuance
of
a
notice
of
intention
to
designate
on
the
platform
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
According
to
the
statement
of
Heritage
character
that
is
attached.
As
document
five
to
the
staff
report,
I
did
submit
to
the
committee
coordinator
a
technical
amendment,
because
there
was
an
oversight
by
staff
in
that
document.
Five
of
the
staff
report
the
is
intended
to
be
excluded
from
the
designation,
so
it
would
just
be
the
exterior
of
the
of
the
original
portion
of
the
building.
F
C
A
A
C
E
Hey
welcome.
Thank
you,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
myself
and
my
husband,
Don
Wiggins.
As
owners
of
this
property,
we
would
like
to
State
for
the
record
that
we
are
opposed
to
having
our
property
designated
heritage.
We
realize
that
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
does
not
take
the
owners
wishes
into
consideration,
unlike
similar
acts
in
other
provinces,
which
Columbia,
for
example,
has
never
had
a
property
designated
against
the
owners
wishes.
E
We
find
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
an
infringement
of
our
rights
as
property
owners
stories
in
the
media
have
led
us
to
believe
that
the
vision
for
the
Ottawa
downtown
core
is
for
high
density
development
near
the
rapid
transit
stations.
Our
property
is
just
blocks
from
the
neutral
rapid
transit.
It
is
one
of
the
highest
points
in
the
city
with
magnificent
views
of
the
Ottawa
River
and
the
Gatton
Oaks
hills,
and
it
is
surrounded
by
high-rises.
This
makes
it
a
prime
candidate
for
development.
E
We
are
appalled
that
we
are
not
at
liberty
to
do
what
we
want
with
a
property
that
has
been
in
my
husband's
family
for
70
years
have
been
lived
in
this
home
with
the
intention
of
eventually
selling
it
for
proper
market
value.
The
Heritage
designation
will
reduce
the
market
value
of
the
property,
remove
the
option
for
development
limit
buyers
and
restrict
what
the
owner
can
do
forcing
the
heritage
designation
of
the
house
will
cost
us
millions
of
dollars.
Thank
you.
C
Understand
this
is
very
personal
for
you
obviously
and
you're
talking
about
you,
know
financial
future,
but
I
would
just
comment
that
there
are
other
examples
in
quite
close
to
your
area
planning
staff.
We
have
made
decisions
based
on,
for
example,
the
Christchurch
on
the
Scott
went
over
the
Ottawa
River
and
what
we
did
with
that
property
with
the
application
keeping
that
church
and
building
around
it.
C
G
C
F
Additions
or
alterations
to
designated
buildings,
we
look
at
impact,
so
we
don't
necessarily
look
at
you
know
sort
of
numbers
like
it
can
be
an
extra
feed
or
whatever
I.
Think.
As
mrs.
Quinn
mentioned,
the
site
is
a
web
site
for
redevelopment
in
terms
of
its
location
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
that
was
part
of
the
reason
that
we
excluded
dishes
that
are
at
the
rear
of
the
building
and
if
you
can
go
back,
there's
some
area
yeah.
So
if
you
look
at
this
slide,
we've
excluded
all
of
this
from
the
designation.
F
F
Councillor
Holmes
has
indicated
that
she's
supportive
of
the
designation
she
has
not.
There
haven't
been
any
discussions
around
what
the
potential
zoning
of
the
site
might
be,
which
I
think
you
know
could
be
difficult
to
do
without
you
know
some
sort
of
proposed
use.
We
don't
know
who
the
who
the
buyer
of
the
property
might
be
or
what
they
might
want
to
do
there
so
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
difficult.
The
Ontario
Heritage
Act
does
provide
for,
as
you
see
at
this
committee,
all
the
time
alterations
to
designated
properties.
C
Is
the
designated
it
will
be,
the
part
that
was
respected
with
an
application
and
I
think
that,
if
you
look
at
from
showing
that
excellent
picture,
that
shows
the
the
property
itself
is
quite
a
good
size.
I
would
think,
though,
that
we
are
looking
at
protecting
the
integrity
of
the
stone
wall
as
partner
battalion
with
what
councillor
Hobbs
were
saying
about
Bethany.
D
I
did
that,
because
the
helps
brought
up
the
the
back
to
Hope
Center
on
Wellington
Street,
and
in
that
designation
the
front
lawn
was
explicitly
included
as
part
of
the
Heritage
values.
In
this
case
there
is
no
mention
of
that,
and
what
it
suggests
is
that
development
could
conceivably
also
take
place
in
the
front
yard,
as
well
as
the
real
in
some
sort
of
assembly
with
the
Jason
properties.
So
they
could.
You
clarify
whether
or
not
you
know
the
the
statement
of
intent
and
the
Heritage
fathers
includes
or
excludes
the
front
yard.
F
Three,
madam
chair,
as
Vice
Chair,
pronounced
keys
well
aware,
the
the
front
yard
of
the
Bethany
Hope
Center
was
included
as
a
deliberate
sort
of
design
feature
and
Harwich
attribute
of
that
designation.
In
this
case,
I.
Don't
think
that
the
front
yard
is
is
a
significant
heritage
attribute.
However,
the
Heritage
attributes
that
are
listed
in
document
5
would
have
to
be
protected
and
respected.
So
I
think
significant
developments
in
the
front
yard
would
not
achieve
respect
and
protection
of
those
heritage
attributes.
F
So,
as
I
said
before,
any
proposed
development
on
the
site
would
be
assessed
and
its
impact
on
what
is
outlined
in
document
5
of
the
staff
report.
I
do
I
do
not
feel
that
there's
a
need
to
include
the
footlong.
It's
not
something
we
typically
include
other
than
when
it
is
considered
to
be
part
of
the
contextual
value
of
the
building.
D
You
I
just
think
it's
worth
noting
with
respect
to
what
mrs.
Quinn
said,
the
as
an
owner
of
a
property,
one
block
south
of
here-
that's
very
similar
to
this
and
is
her
touch
designated.
There's.
Certainly
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
there
is
a
financial
consequence
to
heritage,
designation
and
I.
Think
it's
one
of
the
weaknesses
of
the
act
that
there
is
no
meaningful
municipal
recognition
of
that
of
that
loss
that
takes
place
for
her
to
toner.
So
with
the
designation,
there
will
be
a
financial
impact,
I
think
and
there's
no
question
about
that.
H
Tax
tax
rebate
system,
the
City
of
Ottawa
consulates
into
that
and
certainly
is
still
on
our
radar.
One
of
the
issues
with
implementing
such
a
program
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
is
that
it's
incredibly
complicated
because
so
much
of
our
tax
base
is
grants
and
new
taxes
from
the
federal
government,
but
it
makes
it
harder
to
sort
out,
but
it
certainly
we
have
had
discussions
with
finance
about
it
and
we
continue
to
that's
one
of
our
priorities
to
do
that.
H
So
that
would
be
some
kind
of
a
relief
from
property
taxes
other
than
that
we
did
see
their
heritage
grants
today,
but
that's
a
very
small
program,
as
we
know,
designed
to
reach
wide,
but
not
to
offer
very
much
money
and
I.
Think
Leslie
just
pointed
out
to
me
that
one
of
your
one
of
your
attachment,
our
circular
communications
today,
was
the
the
financial
incentives
for
heritage
properties
from
the
ministry
of
tourism,
and
it
was
the
winter
in
2013
information
which
I
that
I
understand.
The
committee
assistant
has
circulated
to
members
of
the
committee,
so.
H
C
Perhaps
because
we
have
switched
gears
with
heritage,
respect
in
the
city
and
I
think
even
the
people
that
are
closest
to
the
heritage
of
the
city
of
Ottawa
and
have
that
kind
of
education
and
understanding
understand
that
we
have
made
those
changes.
I
would
like
to
see
a
discussion
come
up
on
the
agenda
with
finance
here
to
talk
about
what
kind
of
options
could
be
looked
at
so
that
when
we
make
these
decisions
we
have.
C
That
we
haven't
even
met
that
before
us,
but
we
should
have
that
discussion
and
so
that
the
there's
is
there
is
an
incentive
for
people
to
do
the
best
they
can
with
the
property
they
own.
That
is
a
value
to
the
residents
of
Ottawa
and
as
the
nation's
capital
residents
of
Canada
and
telling
their
story.
C
C
In
the
case
of
Bethany
house,
the
opportunities
of
now
have
come
forward
from
doing
just
that,
incredible
and
I'm
sure
that
I
can
tell
you
and
servant
councillor
Hobbs
good
as
well.
There's
an
opportunity
with
our
Rose
no
bears
that
we're
working
on
right
now
with
very
hope
and
who's
the
architect,
and
it's
specifically
because
doing
that
rezoning,
recognizing
the
importance
of
Bethany
house
recognizing
the
front
lawn.
The
developer
is
going
to
maintain
that
front
yard
is
investing
over
a
million
dollars.
C
Just
into
that
there's
an
opportunity,
that's
been
created
to
increase
the
size
of
Roswell
branch
is
one
of
the
lot
of
public
libraries.
Eight
priorities
that
has
to
be
improved,
increased
by
almost
a
third
of
the
size
and
that's
something
that
we're
working
on
as
well
and
so
to
listen
and
and
her
property.
That
should
was
ready
to
go
so
with
this
property.
That
was
your
property.
If
it
does
pass
the
committee
I
would
suggest
that
you
look
at
some
of
those
opportunities
that
Vice
Chair,
but
ask
is
talking
about
that.
C
G
Thanks
madam
challenged,
and
just
continuing
on
with
that
thought,
with
the
Bethany
Hope
House
need
to
clear.
We
went
through
this
rezoning,
asperton
person
of
the
heritage
designation,
so
that
so
the
developer
wouldn't
come
up
and
offer
less
money
for
property
because
it
was
designated
heritage
and
then
turn
around
and
ask
for
far
more.
Then
you
know
we
might
have
expected.
So
we
set
all
the
limits
on
that,
so
that
property
could
be
sold
for
a
fair
price.
G
If
that's
the
decision
of
the
home
of
the
owner
and
that
somebody
else
couldn't
come
up
after
and
and
wait
for
more
benefit
than
the
original
owner
could
do
so.
I
would
strongly
encourage
that
that
zoning
process
goes
on
and
in
the
case
of
the
definitely
Hope
House
that
was
done
as
part
of
the
community
design
plan
and
I,
don't
believe
there
was
any
cost,
then
for
the
rezoning
result,
the
rezoning
was
done
as
part
of
that
design,
plan
and
part
of
that
package.
G
So
that
might
be
another
thing
we
should
be
thinking
about
in
terms
of
heritage
properties
when
something
like
this
goes
on.
You
know
if
we
can
sort
of
include
that
as
part
of
the
package
so
that
homeowners
are
not
penalized
to
so
named.
Rezoning
is
quite
expensive,
so
okay,
maybe
for
a
developer,
but
if
it
difficult
for
them,
a
private
homeowner,
Thanks
Thank.
A
C
C
C
H
This
is
in
front
of
you
today
is
an
application
to
alter
the
Somerset
House,
a
property
designated
under
part
5
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
located
within
the
boundaries
of
the
center
town,
Heritage
Conservation
District.
It
is
located
at
the
corner
of
Somerset
and
Bank.
Street
has
a
Somerset
address,
although
it
appears
on
the
front
door
on
Bank
Street.
H
This
is,
it
was
constructed
in
the
early
20th
century
as
a
commercial
building
hotel
and
with
an
addition,
a
major
to
Somerset
about
a
decade
later.
It
is
very
typical
example
of
a
late
19th,
early
20th
century
commercial
structure
with
retailer
grade
residential
offices
above
bay
windows,
which
are
typically
to
let
in
more
light
a
corner
Tower
just
to
as
embellishment
in
very
regularly
spaced
windows,
with
beautiful,
brick
and
and
metal
detailing.
This
is
the
corners
is
all
metal,
and
that
is
the
building.
H
It
was
under
restoration
in
2007
when
there
was
a
mishap
and
the
building
collapse.
It
has
been
empty
ever
since
this
project
is
to
start
the
restoration
that
had
that
was
underway
at
the
time
and
to
add
to
the
building
and
to
get
it
back
to
be
a
central
focus
of
Bank
and
Somerset,
an
entranceway
to
the
Somerset
commercial
districts
and
which
is
BIA.
H
This
is
the
front
facade
or
the
Bank
Street
facade,
you'll
notice
that
there
they
window
that
you
saw
in
the
Heritage
photo
is
here.
This
one
is
gone.
It
will
be
this.
The
current
they
window
will
be
used
as
a
template
for
its
reconstruction
and
replacement.
Here
again,
your
drawings
show
that
there's
storefronts
on
on
somerset
that
work
had
commenced
at
the
time
of
the
accident,
and
it
will
continue
and
all
of
the
brick
detail
the
rentals
they
the
decorative
pattern
here,
these
windows,
the
juice
bars
and
or
openings.
H
They
will
all
continue
the
drawings
in
the
in
your
package.
Don't
have
these
in
a
great
amount
of
detail,
because
really
they
were
drawn
up
to
show
the
nature
of
the
addition
that
I
can
assure
you
that
the
restoration,
drawings
etc
that
were
developed
when
the
work
was
underway
in
2007
in
2008
will
be
continued
and
it
is
an
accurate
restoration.
So
here's
some
other
details
that
will
be
reproduced
again:
there's
lovely
arches
over
these
windows
and
they
walk
into.
H
They
will
be
there
so,
as
I
said,
designated
under
part,
five,
all
applications
to
alter
designated
buildings
require
City
Council
approval,
which
is
why
it's
here
today
the
application
is
to
continue
the
restoration
of
the
existing
building
of
the
green
city
with
storefronts
and
to
construct
a
two-story
addition
at
the
rear.
On
top
of
the
remains
of
the
existing
rear
wing.
This
portion
of
the
building
was
constructed
after
the
original
portion,
so
it
had
four
storeys
and
the
original
through
stories.
So
there
are
issues
with
Florida
ceiling
heights
that
have
always
existed
there.
H
So
here's
the
site
plan.
This
is
Bay
Street,
Somerset
Street.
The
new
portion
of
the
building
is
here
so
after
many
discussions
with
the
with
the
project
architect
and
trying
to
sort
out
how
we
were
going
to
do
how
to
accommodate
for
stories
when
this
is
through
stories
and
have
it
with
the
same
cornice
line,
the
the
we
came
up
with
the
idea
that
the
best
way
to
accommodate
this
was
to
introduce
a
completely
new
element.
This
is
a
principle
should
be
distinguished
from
old
and.
H
Accommodate
before
floors
and
sort
out
the
Florida
ceiling
issues
and
but
the
same
height
and
massing
of
as
the
existing,
so
here
this
is
the
restored
storefront
with
the
with
the
bay
windows
and
the
the
commercial
structure.
Commercial
spaces
at
great-
and
here
again
just
to
these
are
the
drawings
that
were
being
used
when
the
building
collapsed.
So,
as
you
can
see,
it
is
a
an
accurate
restoration
again
and
aside
with
the
with
the
with
the
door.
H
H
So
today
we're
asking
to
approve
the
application
to
alter
issue
the
Heritage
permit,
with
a
two
year
expiring
date
and
our
usual
delegate
authority
for
minor
design,
changes
to
the
planning
and
growth
to
Pete
to
our
department,
the
district
guidelines
that
is
consistent
with
the
district
guidelines.
One
of
them
is
where
possible,
original
proportions
should
be
reestablished.
This
does
so.
Consideration
should
be
given
to
restoration
of
the
upper
facades
in
conjunction
with
any
storefront.
H
Consultation
everybody's
from
washing
this
corner
very
closely
for
a
number
of
years
in
heritage
Ottawa
was
notified
of
the
applications
within
30
meters
of
the
property
we
are
notified
and
the
center
towns
citizens,
community
associations,
Somerset
BIA
Bay,
thanks
Reba
notified
the
CCCA
has
now
responded
and
is
in
support.
Everybody
is
in
support,
as
is
the
ward
councillor.
The
department
supports
the
application
because
it
meets
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
guidelines
that
were
approved
by
council
lose.
H
C
H
It
doesn't
because
when
they,
when
the
plans
come
in
and
we've
worked
with
the
architect
to
check
the
plans
against
what's
approved
and
the
the
elevations
I
show
that
involve
the
restoration,
though
that
was
an
approved
building
permit.
So
the
two
will
work
together
and-
and
we
will
not
sign
off
the
permits
unless
the
restoration
is
accurate.
So
you
don't
need
to.
You
can
just
trust
us
that
their
drawings
will
come
in
and
we
won't
sign
them
off
unless
it
is
a
restoration,
excellent.
C
C
Thank
you
and,
as
I
think
of
me,
I
know
I'm
the
only
counselor
that
was
on
counsel
when
we
had
the
the
back
of
the
building
fall
in
and
how
sad
that
was,
for
everybody
and
and,
of
course,
the
the
impact
it
had
on
that
part
of
Bank
Street
and
what
went
on
for
months
and
months
and
months.
This
is
truly
a
good
news
story
that
I'm
glad
that
everybody's
on
board
so
on
the
recommendation
is
carried.
Thank
you.
C
C
I
C
C
A
C
B
Good
morning,
on
behalf
of
the
Association
I'm
grateful
for
this
chance
to
add
a
little
to
our
letter
of
support
for
designation,
which
I
know
is
appended
to
the
staff
report.
Our
association,
like
many
others,
aims
to
foster
community
involvement,
creating
spaces
for
residents
to
help
shape
the
community.
Where
we
live.
We
aim
to
sustain
a
neighborhood.
We
all
feel
a
sense
of
belonging,
valued
and
where
each
of
our
stories
is
made
to
matter
about
a
year
ago,
uncertain
of
the
future
of
st.
Charles
Church.
B
Since
its
closing
in
2010,
we
began
to
wonder,
have
a
site
may
again
come
alive.
Early
this
year
we
began
working
with
a
number
of
community
partners
running
the
st.
Charles
design,
collective
Co,
organizing
a
to
evening
consultation
in
June.
Our
aim
is
to
engage
the
community
enabling
residents
to
articulate
any
significance
that
they
attach
to
the
site,
while
as
we're
empowering
with
information
and
tools
to
articulate
their
aspirations
for
the
South's
future.
B
There
are
60
participants
attended
each
night
residents
photos
and
we
learned
of
the
church's
social
history.
We
heard
about
how
central
the
building,
and
indeed
parish,
life
more
generally,
had
been
in
previous
decades
residents
desire
to
emphasize
how
much
of
community
life
was
based
on
the
parish
community.
Another
resident
explained
and
I
quote
to
May
10
as
a
soar
that
parallels
and
that
facilitates
in
Vincennes
DePaul
liquid-air
play
scout.
They
do
do
that.
That
was
seen.
Charles
Adam
you
open
site,
that's
on
there
and
even
for
non
parishioners.
B
Be
heard
of
the
church
have
begun
a
landmark,
a
part
of
an
everyday
landscape
that
is
unique
to
this
community
from
another
resident
that
is
own
music
ceased
Aswath
supposed
to
make
Gleason
sell
their
care
of
dementia
community.
The
church
is
the
heart
of
the
community
throughout
these
two
evening,
as
we
heard
of
a
clear
desire
to
see
the
space
again
play
its
role
as
a
place
for
gathering
as
a
hub
on
beechwood
that
connects
communities,
the
our
community
association,
I
believe
at
the
Heritage
application
exposed
even
more
of
the
significant
history
to
us.
B
We
recognized
to
the
importance
of
retaining
in
this
building.
They
represents
a
major
element
of
our
community
story
for
myself
as
an
Anglophone
I
can't
help
but
see
the
rich
heritage
and
the
significance
the
st.
Charles
Royals
for
the
francophone
community.
The
building
stands
as
a
reminder,
previous
experience
as
a
symbol
of
a
community
struggle,
but
also
have
its
strengths
and
its
broad,
representing
the
rather
francophones
to
flourish
in.
B
Francophones
Anglophones
and
all
Canadians
to
hear
these
stories
until
then
from
them,
and
so
in
September
our
board
over
and
we
voted
to
support
this
application.
We
see
designation
as
a
way
of
ensuring
that
our
communities
remain
rooted
in
our
past
and
we
see
designation
as
providing
a
way
of
ensuring
that
the
identity
of
this
Main
Street
and
the
Beachwood
remains
unique
and
true
to
itself.
Of
course,
they're
no
longer
a
gathering
site
for
a
parish
st.
Charles
has
continued
to
serve
as
a
gathering
place.
B
We
know
that
we're
driving
in
a
square
around
the
church
has
served
as
a
unique
rich
setting
for
neighborhood
festivals,
say
children
jeans
walk
the
beach
if
it
starts
to
stray,
and
we
hear
through
our
consultations,
participants,
identify
ways
to
creatively
reimagine
the
inside
of
this
building,
drawing
them
in
strengths.
The
map
team
is
a
social
harbor
in
new
ways.
Perhaps
a
performance
space
then
into
a
market,
a
concert
hall,
the
francophone
cultural
center.
B
We
aim
to
see
the
next
chapter
of
this
story,
Alliance
and
trials,
to
continue
to
play
a
role
as
an
anchor
for
social
connection,
for
public
gathering
and
for
community
building
as
another
participant
noted
in
gee
own
respect
for
the
stories
of
the
former
community
is
critical,
but
we
need
to
reevaluate
the
evolution
of
this
community.
What
will
bring
today's?
Can
you
know
get
together.
This
is
a
new
lead,
and
so
with
respect
for
the
past
and
with
an
eye
to
the
future,
we
offer
full
support
to
a
designation
of
centralized
church.
Thank
you
thank.
C
I
Yes,
men
I
met
kazaaam
I'd,
like
to
start
by
saying,
thank
you,
because
all
of
the
involvement
of
the
community
has
started
with
the
leadership
of
the
Community
Association,
and
you
demonstrate
once
again
that
an
historic
French
community,
with
a
strong
French
presence
even
today,
can
work
with
different
diversity,
different
language
and
recognize
some
of
the
historical
elements
that
are
of
one
or
multiple
descendants,
so
you're
the
community.
So
station
is
an
example
of
supporting,
what's
right
for
the
community,
no
matter
which
French
Catholic
non-catholic.
Whatever
the
background
might
be.
I
My
question
to
you
today
is
related
to
the
future.
Whatever
the
outcome
is
to
a
designation,
no
designation,
we
know
that
the
church
juice
is
probably
going
to
change.
Can
you
maybe
articulate
you've
spoken
about
some
public
spaces,
some
of
the
potential,
but
what
is
from
the
community?
From
your
perspective,
what
would
be
the
desired
outcome,
and
do
we
see
even
through
a
designation,
a
redevelopment
of
elements
of
the
site?
How
does
that
working
in
your
mind?
I
B
Think
I
want
to
be
careful
that
I
don't
express
so
my
thoughts
as
representing
either
the
Community
Association
the
community
at
large.
There's,
no
doubt
that
the
consultations
in
June
we
heard
and
the
consultations
and
in
the
application
has
not
yet
been
submitted,
and
so
everything
was
sort
of
open
in
that
consultation
from
repurposing
to
completely
development.
But
I
think
we
heard
a
common
theme
and
that
was
to
keep
this
space
as
a
space
of
gathering
and
as
a
space
for
the
community
to
connect
with
one
another
I
think
there
was.
B
B
With
gardens
outside,
certainly
a
gallery
space,
perhaps
a
banquet
hall
or
something
that
could
be
used
for
weddings
and
so
on
and
I
think
having
less
clear
is
that
an
interior
designation
is
not
being
sought,
and
so
there's
I
have
create
a
potential
that
could
be
used
on
the
inside.
So
as
sort
of
a
social
and
cultural
habit.
B
I
think,
what's
really
significant
to
you
is
that
you
know
the
building
is
located
geographically
in
what
was
very,
very
much
connects
to
communities
north
of
beechwood
as
well
and
I
think
and
the
photos
they
can
come
shown
that
its
location
provides
opportunities
for
being
a
bridge
between
these
different
communities.
So
maybe
I'll
stop
there.
I
think
that
there
are
lots
of
possibilities.
We
know
at
examples
across
Canada,
certainly
repurposing
churches
for
a
whole
host
of
creative
purposes,
and
we
know
there's
a
lot
of
energy
to
work
there
zones,
ok,.
D
Will
try
to
make
it
really
brief?
You
mentioned
all
sorts
of
uses
for
it
and
I
just
one
simple
question
and
that
is
on
whose
ticket
would
this
take
place?
Currently
the
church
owns
that,
are
you
seeing
them
supporting
these
things
at
their
cost,
or
would
you
see
the
city
somehow
buying
this
property
and
repurposing
it,
and
if
so,
is
this
something
that
the
city
has
even
expressed
any
interest
in
thinking.
B
B
These
and
other
partners
to
participate
in
this
conversation
and
we're
grateful
that
over
the
summer
and
as
last
week
there
has
been
a
dialogue,
and
so
I
am
tation.
I
think
was
anyone
who
is
interested
in
their
site
to
participate
in
this
conversation
with
us,
and
we
hope
that
there's
a
response
to
those
ideas
and
an
intention
just
sort
of
honor
those
so
I,
don't
know
that
it's
my
place
to
speak
to
who
will
do
that?
I.
Think
the
power
hope
is
that
it
retains
its
community
orientation.
C
C
J
I
Honest
advice
except
town:
some,
the
service
guilty,
my
tralala
pallid
applied
users
actual
which
mechanically
proto
that
'
so
solo
to
see
actual
behave,
Rama
a
decent
accuracy,
Barry
Podolski
Karen
is
Anita.
Solar
system
are
C&C,
qfr,
debería,
Steven,
Oken,
automatron
Tasha
me
not
an
expert
system
Danica,
not
a
massive.
Our
baton,
efficient
modernization,
soccer
motorcycle
have
near
the
su
sitio
Sicily
pointless
exam
later
on
up
an
appetite
is
a
vp8
on
the
coyote
to
jockey.
K
Morning,
madam
chair,
my
name
is
Mike
Steinhauer
I
am
the
resident
abroad
for
the
application
for
designation
for
st.
Charles
Church,
while
the
application
may
have
been
submitted
by
one
individual
being
myself.
I
would
like
to
convey
to
this
committee
that
the
conversation
and
what
to
do
with
this
building
the
conversation
about
preserving
this
building
has
been
the
topic
of
much
discussion
since
the
1960s.
K
There
was,
then,
the
sixties
of
the
parish
first
considered
demolishing
the
church
in
order
to
construct
a
brand
new
church
to
better
serve
their
needs.
Several
decades
later,
as
most
of
you
know,
the
church
was
identified
as
an
important
note,
an
intersection
in
the
Beachwood
community
design
plan
and
the
building
itself
was
recognized
as
a
significant
landmark
on
beach,
with
internal
discussions
on
the
future
of
the
site
were
launched
in
2010
after
the
final
mass
was
held
at
st.
Charles
in
September.
That
senior
and
my
reason
as
mr.
K
stating
community
partners,
including
the
Bank
Association
and
Missouri
Park,
Vanier,
that
a
two-day
co.design
consultation
welcoming
the
community
to
envision
the
futures
for
this
building.
The
official
application
for
heritage
designation,
further
fueled
this
discussion
and
mobilized
a
small
group
of
people
of
residents
to
drum
up
support
from
the
broader
communities.
K
The
response
to
the
application
has
been
strong,
and
thus
this
is
no
longer
my
application,
but
the
Rada
has
become
the
application
of
the
broader
community,
a
community
composed
of
Anglophones
and
francophones,
a
community
composed
of
residents
from
Vani
and
from
outside
of
Rani,
a
community
composed
of
residents
from
both
sides
of
Beachwood.
In
fact,
and
councillor
Clark
and
comes
left.
Larry
may
concur
with
the
statement.
K
It
is
a
rare
achievement
when
all
four
resident
associations
that
borders
and
charged
short
site
agree,
the
application
has
to
support
the
vanakkam
utilization
due
member
Community
Alliance,
the
Lindy
communication
and
the
rock
lift
park,
whereas
the
Association
I
will
use
this
time
to
restate
what
has
already
been
placed
in
my
application.
However,
I
do
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
those
individuals
and
organizations
that
have
lent
their
support.
The
list
is
land
can
name
everyone,
and
many
of
the
individuals
are
here
in
the
room.
K
K
This
is
an
exciting
time
for
veining
and
also
an
exciting
time
for
beach
fruit
Avenue.
As
we're
trying
to
build
this
Main
Street.
However,
heritage
designation
is
also
a
necessary
step,
an
obligation,
the
obligation
of
this
new
generation
of
residents
to
commemorate
and
honor
to
community
the
built
the
neighbor.
K
C
I
A
group
that
really
brought
this
sort
of
to
the
forefront
and
now
or
today,
that
the
the
the
decision
period,
but
all
the
thought
process
involving
all
of
the
community
representatives
on
both
sides
of
beechwood
and
and
all
of
the
surrounding
communities.
It's
because
of
you
of
the
inner
group.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
C
D
Yeah,
thank
you
for
inviting
me
to
appear
before
you.
I
have
made
a
written
submission
which
I
presume
all
of
you
have
received.
Yes,
I
am
the
past
president
of
the
octopod
present
residents
Association
and
appear
on
their
behalf.
Our
president
has
already
sent
a
letter
to
the
city
and
to
other
people
say
that
we
have
total
support
to
save
this
heritage
in
a
building.
The
previous
speakers
have
said
a
lot
of
things
that
I
was
going
to
say
about
the
building.
It's
a
landmark.
D
It's
the
really
the
only
landmark
on
Beachwood
Avenue,
as
you
know,
but
each
end
of
picture
is
underrated
redevelopment.
The
Kavanagh
Esso
station
is
being
rebuilt
with
businesses
and
condos
the
other
end.
The
the
the
building
that
was
devastated
by
fire
is
also
being
under
rebuilt
with
condos
and
Residential's
residences
about
so
this
is
all
we
have
left
and
it
is
a
marvelous,
marvelous
piece
of
architecture.
You
may
ask
well
if
it
cannot
serve
as
a
church
anymore
and
was
only
deacons
created
just
a
few
months
ago.
What
use
is
there
for
it?
D
Apart
from
this,
a
visual
of
the
wondrous
splendid
ignorance
I
like
to
look
at
what
has
been
done
with
st.
Bridget's
Church
in
centre
town,
which
was
the
wavy
Irish
immigrants
church
that
was
also
slated
for
demolition,
I
understand
until
a
number
of
concerned.
Citizens
said
no.
No,
this
churches
is
splendid.
It's
a
landmark.
There
should
be
another
use
for
it,
and
so
that
has
happened.
It
was
designated
as
heritage
number
of
concerned.
D
Citizens
got
behind
it
and
it
is
now
a
marvelous
facility
for
the
arts,
culture
and
that's
are
very,
very
popular
and
very
much
in
use.
We
some
of
us
at
least
I,
think
most
of
us
see
a
similar
use
for
this
church.
It's
there
are
other
facilities
in
the
area,
but
they're
much
smaller,
where
you
can
hold
cultural
events,
but
nothing
on
the
scale
of
this.
D
We
see
this
as
being
a
landmark
facility
where
we
draw
people
from
Vanier
and
with
the
francophone
in
the
background
from
Rockler,
where
I
live
with
this
mix
of
people
and
nubert,
separate
cetera,
using
this
facility
to
the
fall
and
I
think
with
with
the
help
of
interest
in
concerned
citizens.
This
church
can
clearly
be
saved
and
then
and
be
maintained.
Understand
it
is
at
the
moment,
is
the
financial
burden
on
the
on
the
Roman
Catholic
Diocese.
D
We
would
like
to
see
some
way
of
avoiding
that
and
doing
something
about
it.
That
will
take
a
little
time.
This
has
only
happened
in
the
last
couple
of
months,
but
we
think
we
should
be
given
an
opportunity
to
do
that,
but
we
think
would
be
a
wonderful
facility,
as
I
say,
for
all
arts
culture
groups
getting
together
and
saving
this
wonderful
landmark
and
putting
it
to
good
use.
The
inside
is
gorgeous
the
outside
is
gorgeous,
and
it
would
be
it's
a
it's
a
beacon
right
in
the
middle
of
them.
D
We
get
the
the
light
on
top
working
again,
it'll
be
a
wonderful
beacon
on
Beachwood
Avenue
for
for
many
years
to
come.
So
that's
about
all
I
have
to
say
I've,
given
you,
my
written
submission
were
fully
supportive
of
what
is
being
proposed
for
this
for
this
church
from
the
other
communities,
Vanier
nieuwenburg
sectors
that
were
all
behind
it.
D
We
want
to
see
it
succeed
and
we're
willing
to
put
to
work
to
make
it
succeed,
we'll
go
out
and
we'll
find
people
who
are
prepared
to
to
support
it
financially
and
otherwise
to
make
it
a
success
and
that
they
could
be
a
wonderful
facility
and
an
effort,
it's
well
worth
designating
and
and
saving.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
C
L
L
L
Phenomena
Danny
Alida
presence,
concezio
Canada.
Instead
of
all
the
regiment
said,
don't
shake
people
up.
A
little
is
the
another.
You
understand
dues,
notice,
Donna,
commissioners,
even
one
la
langue,
française
de
FEV
annual
a
person.
Second
le
francais
in
the
fair,
ever
see
visit
a
double
blank,
cetera
deafness,
a
physical
artemis,
Dionisio
concept,
e
Messick,
read
it
mesquite
per
se
mob
KFC's
killed,
riservato
young
mistress
of
public
Tartarus
sector
privy
the
tip
religions
be,
is.
L
E
I
Emmeline
Kazama
geminate
planet.
The
reckon
I
tried
to
scatter
fear
for
my
father
about
sorry,
PA
macabre,
so
chic
Michael,
a
belly
button
up
in
the
depth.
Cosmos
on
the
resume
is
thicken
a
sauce
district
at
Manya,
altitudes
of
M
square
values.
Sanders
solution
so
sans
reduce
our
own
history,
Busquets
dtk
metal,
Apatow
to
to
sizzle
anoxia
Tasha
Jonas
co-op
at
sponsor
pyaar
karoon
for
our
contributor
effects
on
our
pocket
is
usually.
K
First
of
all,
I
think
the
member
is
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
when
I
say,
we
I
think
it's
important
to
say
laughter
that
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
two
parish
communities
that
are
the
owners
of
the
property
marry
me
get
this
and
not
on
the
road.
Vanier
I
also
Natasha's.
She
accompanied
the
QA
oversee
their
nominee
leadership
that
upon
us
down
Wilshire
Cousineau,
because
you
know
the
presence
it
a
disaster.
K
Ladies,
so
mister
Cousineau
is
also
part
of
the
parish
leadership.
They
arrived
at
this
decision
so
and
when
I
say
we
this
morning,
it's
not
me
who,
speaking
as
we
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
two
parishes,
the
francophone
Catholic
parishes
that
are
the
owner
of
the
property,
as
well
as
on
behalf
of
the
archdiocese,
our
role
as
says
that
the
parishes
have
asked
for
the
property
to
be
sold.
But
it's
subject
to
approval.
There's
poor
subject:
repeated
Archbishop
according
to
procedures
of
the
archdiocese.
K
K
They
envisioned
a
new
church
action,
new
complex
everything,
included
a
church
and
have
the
greatest
flexibility
as
to
what
would
go
there.
They
they
anticipated
demolition
of
the
church.
So
it's
important
to
say
the
the
context
of
their
decision
and
what
their
own
plans
were
and
what
their
own
plans
would
be
saying
that
if
that
was
our
plan,
why
should
it
really
be
imposed
on
someone
else?
One
of
the
things
I
want
to
note
is
that
in
the
document
provided
to
the
subcommittee
document,
by
which
understand
would
be
the
formal
proposal.
K
Today
we
seek
not
a
document
to
see
this
Medina
francais
should
then
they
they
copy
or
non-jew
personnel
Sanatana,
the
civil
AR
VAR
ax,
a
the
documents.
Are
you
see
this?
When
did
they
shall
not
succeed
to
the
EDS
cells
and
circular
ducky,
not
an
ugly,
so
the
Darkman
division?
French
is
available
to
the
committee
and
also
it's
available,
arch-nemesis
and
website.
So,
looking
at
the
three
criteria,
the
first
one
designed
or
physical
volume.
K
This
is
basically
a
Catholic
Church
perspective
in
Ottawa.
St.
shawl
is,
in
many
respects
an
important
church,
no
question,
but
the
contacts
are
we
look
at
in
terms
of
our
of
our
important
heritage
churches.
It's
not
in
the
same
category
and
unfortunate
I,
don't
think
in
Ontario
we
have
a
classification
or
categories
of
importance
of
heritage
properties.
It's
not
in
the
same
category
we
would
say,
is
if
three
closest
neighbors
not
to
Dan
Cathedral,
which
is
actually
a
designated
historic,
National,
Historic
Site,
st.
Brigid's
that
we
heard
about
this
morning.
K
There's
some
facts
upon
need
to
be
clarified
about
that,
but
I.
Don't
we
don't
have
time
this
morning
and
sat
down?
There
was
lots
of
coverage
and
same
time
when
there
was
the
issue
of
it
possibly
been
closed
and
sold.
It's
not
in
that
same
category.
Even
if
we
just
look
at
the
architecture,
I
think
I'm.
Never
looking
for
a
new,
classical
style
of
construction
of
churches
in
Quebec,
Santa,
Anas,
probably
I,
would
I
would
suggest
as
a
better
models
out
and
the
darks
diocese.
K
K
One
of
the
things
that
always
operates
in
terms
of
looking
at
our
churches
and
the
cathedral
is
probably
the
Pawnee
example.
The
emphasis
is
not
the
outside,
where
the
emphasis
is
the
inside
and
if
mr.
Stein
house
application,
you
can
see
what
the
church
looked
like
when
it
was
in
its
full
glory.
It's
far
from
that,
so
looking
at
from
the
Catholic
Church
perspective
in
terms
of
architectures
sacred
art,
central
has
lost
really
its
value
in
terms
of
being
an
example
of
Catholic
Church
architecture,
because
yeah,
because
mainly
because
of
the
interior.
K
It
is
around
the
person
once
you
know
about
it.
You'll
see
document
you'll
see
the
information
we
have
here
the
position
the
committee
would
be
with
the
church
named
after
with
the
church,
the
street
named
after
them,
and
also
the
one-nil.
He
has
sufficient
recognition,
contextual
value
I
mentioned
already
earlier
how
the
comedian
sells
the
to
parish.
Communities,
who
are
the
owners
of
the
property,
looked
at
incorporating
part
of
the
existing
structure,
but
in
the
context
of
the
demolition
of
existing
Church.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
morning.
Thank.
A
Now
Monsignor,
we
have
had
a
fair
number
of
people
in
the
who'd
have
asked
us
to
designate
this
and
the
typical
different
differences.
There.
Two
differences
of
view,
one
as
the
owner,
which
some
of
us
wonder
who
pays
for
the
correction
if
it
is
designated,
but
the
reality
is
that
the
we
feel
in
the
context
of
where
it
is,
and
that
Street
that
it
has
merit
as
a
cultural
heritage.
A
When
you
say
it's
not
like
st.
Anne's
well-known
and
it's
not
like
the
church
and
Sarsfield
or
the
one
in
Rockland
and
many
others
were
built
with
the
steeples
and
and
the
granite,
but
it
is
significant
to
the
to
the
community
and
I
I,
wonder
how
we
reconcile
that
significance
with
the
aims
and
objectives
that
you
stated
for
the
church.
If
the
church
wished
to
redevelop
it,
there
has
been
really
no
initiative
that
I'm,
where
I've
did
the
church
actually
submit
something
to
the
Miss
pally
to
to
do
something?
With
this
they.
K
Had
two
proposals
from
to
developers
to
look
at
it
a
redevelopment
of
the
site,
but
the
community
themselves
came
to
decision
that
they
didn't
have
the
resources
to
build
on
that
site.
So
it
never
got
beyond
conceptual
planning,
but
they
say
they
had
serious
planning
a
negotiation
with
two
developers
but
did
not
go
forward.
In
the
end,
they
made
a
decision
that
the
project
today
did
not
have
the
resources
and
considering
the
future
of
their
community.
They
didn't
want
to.
They
made
a
decision
not
to
go
forward
with
any
kind
of
development
of
the
site.
K
A
I
I
K
Evaporate
the
time
for
Jericho
Ziggy's
predicament
of
a
public
community.
She
indeed
example
acidic
that
was
shampoo,
just
an
aqua
freak
until
his
eglise
donated
necessary.
That's
not
the
server
yet
and
I.
Don't
open
d'italia
says
you
do
constantly
daily
population
cut
the
lake
flacco
phone
app.
Let's
count
aid,
also
Saturday,
when
a
pastor
done
on
documentaries,
Olivar,
conradasia,
citizen,
a
little
plz
discount
a
family,
a
lot
met,
Nam,
Corrigan
upper
class
Sean,
francophone
catholique
de
sector
know
the
decisions
they
do.
K
Joe,
please
DS
self
optimum
or
presented
a
community
front
of
fun
to
see
sector
law,
hello,
senior
thousand
degrees.
You
surgery,
the
brown
decision,
concern
of
the
Avenue
de
bad
Seema
concern
La
Paz
case.
It's
the
division
test,
jumping
up
into
mutant
killer
on
the
Fed
appropriate
answer,
/
honor
to
really
because
velocity
ourselves
reputable
to
the
game.
Donna
she
deserved.
Ottawa
support
occur
when
the
correction
less
active,
da-ad
session.
K
K
Catholic
Conference
issue
regardless
marry
media
trees,
etc.
So
you
see
it's
encountered.
A
Charlaine
Danika
one
Pascal
delivers
our
email
chief
rakaats
Atticus
met.
Now
they
calculate
the
build
on
de
a
la
llamada.
The
zip
risk
italicum
that
the
discharge
of
a
passive
is
just
another
not
regard
for
this
ECG
that
Antonia
cut
suit
to
barely
database.
Wonderful,
three,
a
series
series
series:
IVR
Emma
in
presence
francophone,
the
nearest
Catholic
evangelist
ashes,
is
saturated.
A
E
A
E
E
E
E
It's
not
I
know
what
the
parish
does
not
support
this
designation,
but
perhaps
we
haven't
looked
enough
to
see
what
alternative
uses
could
be
made
of
the
church
and
mr.
person.
I
spent
two
and
a
half
years
doing
this,
but
we
haven't
come
to
the
end
of
that
exploration,
and
this
designation
is
is
to
allow
us
to
continue
to
look
at
it,
but
the
landmark
element
remain,
as
mr.
E
C
C
M
Toss
on
the
pepperoni,
a
Ponzi
scheme
from
the
cemetery,
passive
layer,
explanation,
Edie,
yes,
even
Bank,
arsenic,
Monsieur,
casino,
old
on
the
Sun,
so
tape
and
pedis
to
discuss,
but
there
may
faster.
No,
no
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
circular
compound
whose
were
delicate
said,
suggests
algebra
five.
She
respect
lesson.
That
was
kid
wha.
M
M
M
This
church,
not
the
constructed
Church
itself,
but
the
site
represents
something
of
great
significance
nationally.
The
fact
that
it
is
the
birthplace
of
Lord,
who
does
our
cat,
see
that
art
is
very
significant
and
I
think
it
should
be
recognized
as
such,
now
not
for
its
architectural
value
because
and
I'm
not
an
expert
there,
but
I
I
think
I
recognize
that
there
may
not
be
that
much
significance
on
the
on
the
church
itself
in
the
of
its
architecture
and
I.
Listen
to
the
Muslim
speeches.
M
Comments
where
I
may
disagree,
however,
is
the
historical
and
the
cultural
significance
is
individuality,
say
Esquivel,
who
ask
Alicia
key
or
sometimes
even
do
CE
o
Casa
de
la
nación,
the
demo
day,
indie
singer.
She
on
the
historic
Nacional
I,
have
visited
a
number
of
national
historic
sites,
distinguished
where
the
it's
been
built
up
magnificently
goals
in
Quebec,
where
there
was
all
the
immigrants
for
a
long
long
time
had
to
go
to
in
quarantine.
M
The
news
director
here
you
know
so
there
are
about
hundred
close
to
175
I,
think
historic
sites
in
the
country
under
the
administration
of
Parks
Canada.
Looking
at
the
time
here
and
and
over
time,
these
get
developed
and
rebuilt
and
to
designate
the
historical
significance
and
I'm
hoping
that
the
proponents
of
various
positions
would
consider
a
timeout.
If
you
will
perhaps
some
assistance
from
the
city
in
to
the
community
to
look
at
the
possibility
of
obtaining
historic,
national,
historical
designation.
M
Now
it
may
take
away
from
what
the
community
wishes
in
terms
of
the
community
center
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
that's
why
I'm
putting
it
as
an
idea,
but
if
there
was
an
interest,
I
wouldn't
I'm,
committing
to
trying
to
help
but
I've
been
distracted
over
the
last
few
years
with
the
bridge
issue.
I
have
to
focus
on
that
for
a
while,
and
that
seems
to
be
in
advance
now
so
I
can
perhaps
take
something
else
on
and
I
think
the
historical
significant,
the
significance
of
leopards
out
cannot
be
underestimated.
M
C
But
I
think
that
what
we've
heard
today
and
all
of
us
have
which
side
you're
on
is
they
collectively
there's
an
interest
in
working
together
and
today,
what's
before
us
is
whether
or
not
we
designate
st.
Charles
Church
that
very
interesting
points.
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
it:
I,
don't
think
that
you've
been
didn't,
think
you've
been
elected
as
long
as
we've
been
looking
at
that
bridge,
even
when
you've
been
elected
for
a
very
long
time
anyway.
I
H
H
If
this
building
is
designated,
it
is
protected
as
heritage
attributes
are
protected,
it
could
become
a
Walmart,
it
could
become
a-anything
because
we
cannot
the
heritage
designation
does
not
regulate,
use,
there's
only
regulates
use,
so
if
it
is
designated
and
sold
by
that
the
archdiocese
and
purchased
by
a
by
somebody
that
they'll
have
to
protect
it
and
its
attributes,
they
will
not.
There
is
no
requirement
that
it
continue
to
be
to
serve
a
community
use.
There's
no
requirement,
that's
a
church
by
it.
H
It
is
a
property
that
will
be
bought
and
sold
free
on
the
market
and
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
I
admire
the
aspirations
of
the
community
to
find
a
use
for
this,
but
we,
the
Heritage
Act,
does
not
govern
use
and
it
does
not
stop
the
owner
from
selling
the
property
to
whomever
they
choose.
No,
a
National,
Historic
Site
does
not
protect
use
unless
it's
owned
by
the
federal
government,
then
they
would
have
to
buy
it
yeah
so,
but
National
Historic
Site
doesn't
even
protect
building
fabric.
C
That's
important
for
us
to
be,
as
we've
heard,
from
a
lot
of
a
variety
of
people
today
from
all
aspects
really
in
both
communities
and
and
the
church
community.
The
recreational
part
of
the
community,
cultural
community
and
I
think
that
and
that's
certainly
that's
important,
that
we
understand
that
I
see
that
I'm
not
done
yet
I
saw
it.
I've
got
eyes
on
the
side
of
my
head.
I'm,
the
mother
I've
got
them
in
the
back
to
my
head,
but,
as
I
said
previously,.
C
Has
to
do
one
thing
today:
we're
not
being
asked
to
talk
about
programming
they're,
all
that
big
as
to
whether
it
should
be
a
church
will
be
asked
whether
we
as
the
built
heritage,
Committee
of
the
City
of
Ottawa,
the
staff
recommendation
on
the
designation
of
this
property
of
this
church.
Okay,
not
the
inside
idea.
So
that's
what
we're
being
asked
to
so
to
get
into
the
semantics
of
it.
That's
not
our
job
to
do
that.
C
Maybe
a
job
that
Celso
Fleury,
who
is
sits
on
the
community
Protective
Services
Committee
at
some
point
they
want
to.
But
as
long
as
the
church
also
owns
it,
they
have,
they
have
absolutely
the
right
to
do
whatever
they
want
to
with
with
the
building
plus
it's
whether
or
not
it
should
have
a
heritage.
Designation.
C
D
H
I
I
I
Appointee
and
I'll
say
it
in
English,
because
I
think
it's
very,
very
important.
The
community
on
both
sides
that
then
the
archdiocese,
the
business
improvement
in
group
does
not
want
to
see
this
babe
is
building
vacant.
We
want
to
see
uses,
and
you
know
through
that
this
designation,
we
don't
just
want
to
see
an
empty
church
with
a
designation
that
will
not
make
the
community
happy
so.
C
A
I,
don't
believe
designation
would
restrict
the
creative
redevelopment
of
the
site,
which
is
what
the
church's
document
on
page
2
says.
Church
does
not
favor
a
heritage,
designation,
strict
Avista
limit
a
creative
redevelopment
I,
don't
believe
that
this
designation
would
actually
do
that.
What
we
want
to
do
is
protect
the
heritage,
shell
of
the
building,
I,
guess,
and
lots
of
possibilities
exist.
That
could
be
done
to
maintain
that
it's
like
Friday's
over
here
and
places
like
that.
So
I
think
that
that
the
the
arguments
in
favor
of
designation
are
quite
clearly
stated.
C
C
N
N
Just
by
way
of
background.
So
you
understand
the
context
our
company
has
been
in
Ottawa
for
its
entire
existence.
Over
a
hundred
years
main
office
is
on
Richmond
Road.
Some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
it,
it's
at
Richmond
and
Kirkwood,
and
it's
somewhat
similar.
Looking
building.
We
have
a
reputation
in
that
area
and
I.
Think
councillor
Hobbs
will
be
able
to
confirm
this
so
being
very
sensitive
to
the
community
and
maintaining
the
heritage
aspects
of
the
building.
We're
facing
a
number
of
challenges
in
our
industry.
N
We
are
significantly
smaller
than
our
European
competitors
about
1/10
the
size
or
very
capital-intensive
business.
We
have
I
think
been
very
lucky
that
our
German
competitor
decided
to
abandon
Canada
and
they
were
a
tenant
of
the
building.
That's
under
consideration
today
and
in
a
rather
interesting
twist
from
that
you've
been
hearing
from
other
present
presenters
today,
I
sort
of
view
us
as
the
rescuer
of
this
building.
We
in
fact
bought
it
from
a
developer.
N
We
heard
that
there
was
a
move
by
the
tenant
to
abandon
printing
in
Canada.
We
went
to
see
the
developer,
who
had
plans
to
essentially
demolish
the
building
and
redevelop
that
was,
there
was
no
use
for
the
building
in
his
current
state,
except
for
one
company
in
the
country,
and
that's
us
so
we
made
an
offer
which
they
found
acceptable
and
tenth
now
is
to
continue
the
purpose
that
this
building
has
had
for
its
entire
existence.
N
N
A
company
employing
nine
hundred
people
in
Canada
are
so
in
in
Ottawa
1,400
around
the
world,
who
are
growing
relatively
rapidly
in
spite
of
our
small
size,
but
we
need
the
ability
to
raise
funds,
so
we
can
keep
reinvesting
and
one
of
those
principal
sources
of
funds
is
the
mortgage
value
of
the
properties
we
own
designation.
Will
reduce
that
value
and
will
impair
our
ability
to
expand
and
to
create
employments
in
Ottawa
I.
N
N
Last
year,
our
US
subsidiary
was
awarded
the
contract
to
produce
the
news
high
secured
driver's
license
for
New
York
State,
that
contract
valued
at
about
80
million
dollars,
and
it's
generated
significant
employment
in
Canada
and
in
the
u.s.
we
could
not
have
bid
that
contract.
If
we
had
not
been
able
to
assure
ourselves
that
we
could
triple
the
size
of
our
facility
in
Virginia
between
September
and
April,
we
started
the
process
in
September.
N
Last
year
we
occupied
the
expanded
building
in
April
of
this
year,
and
that
was
because
the
contract
delivery
dates
are
so
short
on
things
we
bid
on
there.
Well,
restrictions
such
as
designation
may
not
mean
you
can't
make
changes,
they
can
mean
you
can't
make
them
in
time,
and
you
know
it's
unlikely
that
this
particular
building
we're
talking
about
today
would
require
significant
change,
but
where
it
might
need
changes
is
in
the
area
of
security
of
the
facade.
N
N
I'm
indebted
to
miss
Collins
for
all
the
efforts
she
put
into
researching
the
building,
there's
clearly
some
heritage
value
to
this,
but
I
would
suggest
to
you
that
it's
minimal
and
when
you
read
her
report,
you'll
see
she
uses
words
good,
unlike
words
like
excellent,
that
you've
seen
in
other
presentations,
but
we
value
the
heritage,
value
of
it
and
and
the
building
actually
fits
nicely
into
our
corporate
image.
If
you
look
at
the
building
on
crooked,
it
looks
somewhat
like
this.
N
As
the
center
elevated
section
we've
replicated
that
with
our
new
building
of
Auriga,
we
have
75,000
square
feet
out
there.
We
did
it
in
Virginia
with
our
new
facility
there
and
then,
when
we
expanded
the
facility
from
6000
square
feet
to
27,000
in
Virginia.
We
continued
that
replication
of
the
corporate
image
that
you
see
in
that
picture
in
front
of
you
right
now,
I
did
bring
along
pictures
of
all
those
buildings
if
you're
interested.
So
my
argument
to
you
is
this
is
the
odd
situation
where
it's
in
the
community
interest
to
actually
not
designate.
N
If
the
community
wants
the
purpose
of
this
building
to
continue
and
for
its
heritage
aspects
to
be
preserved,
we
are
the
best
chance
for
this
city.
For
that
to
happen,
and
that's
our
intention
within
a
year
there'll
be
200
people
working
in
that
building.
It
will
be
continuing
to
provide
services
related
to
banknote
and
secure
document
production
in
Canada
and
for
governments
around
the
world,
and
you
know
III
think
you
don't
necessarily
want
to
do
something
that
frustrates
our
ability
to
continue
the
use
as
it
exists
today,
and
preserve
that
heritage
aspect
and.
C
And
I
think
that
you've
made
all
the
points
and
I
have
a
question,
sure
I
think
the
intent
I
mean
the
intent
has
never
been
to
designate
the
entire
warehouse.
It
has
been
the
facade.
It
has
been
that's
the
important
thing
so,
based
on
what
you
are
saying
from
a
business
perspective,
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way
that
that
can
be
protected,
but
not
necessarily
like
say,
for
example,
you
needed
to
expand,
but
it
appears
would
appear
that
with
rezoning
you
could
bring.
C
F
F
McAfee
and
I
have
had
extensive
conversations
about
the
issues
of
security
and
the
issues
of
needing
to
move
fast
and
that
sort
of
thing
and-
and
that
was
all
to
account
when,
in
addition
to
the
fact
that
we
felt
that
the
front
portion
of
the
building
was
the
only
portion
that
you
know,
I
told
the
story,
the
site
is
quite
large.
I
don't
know
we
have
you
can
see
here
on.
F
The
map
is
very
big
here
at
the
very
front,
so
there
is
still
a
lot
of
room
at
the
back
there
to
expend
and
and
before
before
Canada
bank
that
had
purchased
the
property.
We
thought
that
had
been
purchased
by
developer.
So
we
were
thinking
of
ways
in
which
the
site
could
we
develop
and
maintain
that
front
portion.
C
There
are
changes
to
the
needs
in
order
to
protect
businesses,
and
we
certainly
have
seen
that
with
the
possible
into
the
future
of
the
move
of
DMD
to
the
Nortel
building.
I
mean
it's,
we
are
too
so
the
securities
for
them
are
increasing.
I
think
there's
a
recognition
that
this
is
an
important
facade
and
that's
why
they,
the
report
is
before
us
today,
but
I
would
not
want
to
be
in
a
position
where
we
have
at
due
consideration,
give
them
the
ability
to
continue
to
hire
to
other
people
that
work
there.
C
C
F
C
Of
timing,
are
we
talking
about
say,
for
example,
just
just
hypothetically
an
opportunity
knocks
on
their
door.
They've
got
to
be
able
to
respond
to
it
within
six
months
or
something
like
that.
Is
there
even
a
remote
chance
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
of
having
that
play
through
in
a
timely
fashion?
In
six
months,
oh
yeah
I.
F
D
N
Us
please
I,
can't
give
you
an
exact
number
right
now,
but
you
can
see
roughly
the
portion
of
the
property
that
is
affected.
When
we
go
to
a
bank
and
say
you
know
how
much
money
will
you
give
us
against
the
security
of
this
property?
We're
looking
at
the
whole
thing,
not
just
part
of
it,
and
they
don't
want
to
get
into
issues
of
now?
What
impact
does
that
now
have
on
the
developability
of
the
property
in
the
future?
We
don't
intend
a
development.
N
N
We
use
the
money
to
buy
equipment
to
put
inside
the
building
and
and
so
that,
I
need
to
know
that
I'm
going
to
get
maximum
value
out
of
that
property
and
and
the
other
issue
that,
if
I,
could
just
jump
in
on
the
nimbleness
issue
and
I
recognize
that
we
can
approach
the
city
after
designation
for
approval
to
do
various
things.
But
to
go
back
to
my
New
York
example,
we
could
not
have
bid
that
opportunity.
G
Thanks,
madam
chair
I'm,
very
much
a
mystery
kept
me
for
coming
today.
I
just
do
want
to
point
out
that
I
really
appreciate
as
well,
that
you've
been
actively
participating
in
the
Community.
Design
is
taking
part
in
this
in
this
area
of
a
Gladstone
CDP
and
as
part
of
that
process,
and
we
have
indicated
and
assured
the
planners
that
there
are
no
intentions
to
do
something
drastically
different
with
this
property.
G
C
G
N
The
issue
remains
the
same
and
in
fact,
when
I
did
meet
with
Miss
Collins
in
the
building.
One
of
the
things
she
focused
on
was
really
the
only
significant
architectural
feature
in
the
interior,
which
is
the
aluminum
security
screen
in
the
main
lobby
and
the
desire
of
the
city
to
see
that
preserved.
Of
course,
nobody
in
the
public
ever
sees
it
because
nobody
in
a
public
can
get
inside
this
building.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
moot
point,
but
just
yesterday,
I
was
with
our
security
staff
and
they
were
looking
at
it
thinking.
G
G
Business
venture
that
you
have
to
go
through
forward
with
right
now,
trying
to
because
I
know,
you've
just
bought
this
building,
and
there
are
probably
changes
that
have
to
be
made
to
it.
And
if,
if
we
were
to
defer
it
or
to
do
something
different
today,
would
you
be
willing
to
still
work
with
their
heritage
planners
to
discuss
any
of
those
changes.
N
N
C
N
C
F
B
See
that's
something
that
we
could
do
because
then
that's
you
wouldn't
need
to
designate
it
now
and
then,
if
anyone
ever
want
to
come
forward
in
the
future
to
demolish
it,
then
we
would
then
have
the
ability
designated
then
that
we
we
don't
handcuff
the
current
owner.
It
was
clearly
gonna,
keep
it
in
the
current
condition
and
then
should
they
sell
it
in
50
years
time
or
whatever
it
is.
We
could
then
look
at.
Doesn't
it
then
to
protect
the
facade
at
that
time?
F
Just
to
comment
on
that,
adding
it
to
the
register
would
only
protect
from
demolition.
It
would
give
us
the
60
day
stay
on
demolition.
It
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
alterations.
So
that's
just
something
for
the
committee
to
consider.
So
obviously,
we're
not
concerned
with
demolition
at
this
point
in
time,
but
the
committee
I
don't
know
if
the
committee
has
concerns
or
ongoing
alterations,
but.
C
We
had
the
surprise,
Statesville
area
property,
that's
actually
part
of
a
future
industrial
park
or
whatever
home
there.
There
was
on
the
registry,
it
wasn't
even
on
the
registry,
but
it
was
on
the
watcher.
It
was
on
the
right.
So
but
it's
still
my
point
is:
it's
still
triggered
a
reaction
and
that's
I
think
what
else
there
Moffat
is
going
with
this.
So
if
it
was
on
the
registry
of
definitely
will
trigger
notification
of
yourselves
and
therefore
the
committee,
should
they
wish
to
do
something
truly
outrageous
with
it
or
community.
C
At
this
point,
we
may
be
deferring
it,
but
I
want
to
miss
hold
to
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
before
we
actually
put
the
deferral
on
the
table
so
she's
not
just
coming
up
to
speak
to
Joe.
So
could
I
ask
you
to
take
a
seat
for
a
moment.
If
we
need
you
to
come
back
we'll.
Have
you
come
back?
Thank
you
very
much
Linda.
Would
you
come
forward?
Please.
E
Thank
you
a
good
morning,
I
am
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
Hintonburg
Community
Association
I
did
send
in
some
comments
yesterday
we
do
support
the
proposed
designation
of
this
building
and
it
is
a
significant
building.
As
you
can
see,
it
takes
up
an
entire
city
block.
It
has
quite
a
presence
in
the
neighborhood
and.
E
The
piece
that
has
been
proposed
for
designation
I
also
question
somewhat
the
loss
of
development
value
as
councillor
Hobbs
has
pointed
out
and
someone
else's
where
I
think
designation.
Those
very
often
a
density
transfer
permitted.
If
this
particular
person
were
to
be
resumed
as
a
result
of
the
community
design
plan,
which
is
highly
likely
given
its
proximity
to
a
transit
station
and
a
proposed
transit
station.
E
E
E
Could
be
of
interest
as
well
if
it
became
the
lobby
of,
for
example,
a
condo
building,
some
other
commercial
property?
However,
that's
very
far
in
the
future,
so
I
would
certainly
recommend
that
that
you
do
carry
through
with
the
designation,
if
not
I
would
prefer
our
defer
to
continue
discussions
towards
eventual
designation
to
the
notion
of
registry.
E
The
registry,
as
Miss
Collins
pointed
out,
does
not
protect
the
building
for
maturation.
The
reference
list
is
your
early
notification
system
and
it
is
already
on
the
reference
list.
So
a
deferral
is
preferable
to
the
registry,
so
that
that
would
be
my
recommendation
too.
If
you
decide
not
to
designate
and
I
guess,
I
should
just
mention
that
we
had
done.
We
would
like
to
have
added
to
the
Heritage
characteristics
the
front
lawn
and
dry.
It's
the
presence
of
the
building
on
Gladstone
Avenue.
E
C
G
Yep
I,
just
I
just
want
to
I
appreciate
miss
Collins,
especially
I
know.
This
is
an
architecture
that
you
were
very
interested
in
with
this
type
of
architecture
and-
and-
and
you
know,
the
community
does
love
this
building,
and
but
I
have
to
say
this.
This
particular
company
is,
you,
know,
I,
just
my
heart
lifted
when
I
heard
they
had
bought
this
building
and
we
no
longer
sort
of
were
under
threat
of
something
terrible
happening
to
this
building.
I
have
a
great
faith
in
in
the
bank.
Note
company
they're
an
important
company
in
Ottawa.
G
They
they
employee,
they're,
one
of
the
largest
employers
in
Ottawa
and
and-
and
you
know,
I
know
some
of
their
other
property
in
catches.
It
be
it
down
on
Richmond
Road
that
they
care
very
much
for
their
front
lawns
and
and
facade,
and
and
have
a
lot
of
integrity
and,
as
mr.
McKechnie
has
shown
us
by
being
here
today,
by
also
by
taking
part
in
the
community
design,
plan
process
and
and
we've
received.
G
A
lot
of
assurances
and
I
have
no
reason
to
not
not
believe
that
that
that
the
company
would
honor
those
so
I
would
be
interested
today
and
in
just
turning
down
this.
This
application
for
heritage
at
this
time
and
and
making
sure
that
it's
on
the
registry,
as
we've
discussed
and
and
allowing
the
bank
note
company
to
to
do
what
they
need
to
do
at
this
point,
it
just
being
new
owners
of
this
building
and
also
with,
as
mr.
McKechnie
had
agreed,
to
continue
to
work
with
the
with
with
you
on.
G
You
know,
whatever
needs
to
be
done
to
to
get
this
building
to
a
state
where
they
can
securely
operate,
so
that
would
that
would
be
how
I
am
leaning
to
to
turn
down
the
application.
Today,
with
the
motion
to
put
it
on
the
registry
and
and
with
the
assurances
of
mr.
McKechnie
I
feel
we
could,
we
could
do
that
safely.
G
C
Charges,
registry,
and
so
just
on
that
again,
so
that,
if
there's
any
confusion
in
the
know
very
small
audience
doing,
that
will
assure
that
if
there
is
going
to
be
any
change
that
we
have
an
opportunity
or
you
it,
you
are
alerted
to
it.
We
have
an
opportunity
for
it.
But
I
would
just
ask
you
mr.
McKechnie
to
come
back
up
for
a
minute,
because
within
this
room
we're
not
the
financial
games
that
you
are
and
I
would
want
to
ask
you
that
would
not
limit
your
ability
to
receive
support
through
banks.
I.
N
C
K
A
C
C
On
the
on
the
staff
recommendation,
we
can
be
voting
all
in
favor
of
refusing
the
staff
recommendation
at
this
time.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think,
we've
accomplished
what
we
need
to
for
the
community
for
the
Heritage
community
and
for
what
your
business
is
today
and
what
how
it's
being
operated.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
out
today,
but
I
just
have
to
go
through
a
little
bit
of
procedure.
Stuff
I
go
back
and
find
my
agenda
again.
A
C
C
Okay,
well,
we
have
two
tickets
and
it
is
a
three-day
event
and
I
suggest
that
between
yourself,
myself
and
Natalie,
we
can
divide
it
up
and
and
make
use
of
it.
So
we
have
a
learning
experience
gains
that
good
okay,
so
that
solves
that,
and
then
there's
no
judgment.
Okay,
thank
you.
I'll
see
you
on
remember
the
four
tooth
and
I
just
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
built
heritage
can
be
are
lasting
longer
than
they
planning
committee.