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From YouTube: Built Heritage Sub-Committee – 13 October 2020
Description
Built Heritage Sub-Committee
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
Participate
in
the
meeting
can
also
watch
it
on
the
live
stream
on
the
ottawa
city
council,
youtube
channel
a
reminder
to
participants
to
please
keep
your
microphones
muted.
Until
I
call
on
you
to
speak,
I
will
provide
each
committee,
member
with
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
comment
on
each
item
in
the
order
in
which
they
raise
their
hand
and
zoom
committee
members
will
be
called
on
first,
followed
by
any
other
member
of
council
who
has
joined
the
meeting
for
panelists
the
raise
hand
option
is
found
at
the
bottom
of
the
participants
list
for
attendees.
A
A
Members
are
also
reminded
to
submit
any
emotions,
visual
supports
or
declarations
of
interest
in
writing
to
the
coordinator
at
their
earliest
convenience.
Although
the
deadlines
have
passed
for
residents
to
register
to
speak
and
provide
written
submissions
to
this
subcommittee,
residents
may
still
send
written
submissions
to
council
on
either
item.
A
I'd
have
received
regrets,
so
I
have
received
regrets
from
member
conferti
and
and
also
counselor
moffett.
Could
the
committee
coordinator,
please
call
the
a
reminder
to
members
to
unmute
themselves
when
they
are
called.
C
A
A
E
My
name's
avery
marshall,
I'm
a
heritage
researcher
with
the
city's
heritage
planning
branch.
This
report,
additions
to
the
register,
recommends
listing
310
centertown
properties
on
the
heritage
register.
I'd
like
to
go
over
the
report
and
explain
why
these
properties
were
identified
as
candidates
for
the
heritage
register
and
what
listing
on
the
register
means
to
owners
next
slide.
Please
back
in
2013,
council
directed
the
center
town
heritage
study
through
the
centertown
community
design
plan
and
an
amended
secondary
plan
for
centertown.
E
E
The
reports
that
stem
from
the
centertown
heritage
study
include
listings
on
the
heritage
register
and
designation
listing
and
designation
are
separate
and
distinct
processes.
Designation
is
when
a
municipality
passes,
a
heritage,
designation,
bylaw,
the
bylaw
is
registered
on
property.
Title
and
changes
to
the
property
require
approval
from
the
city.
E
E
So
one
of
the
goals
of
the
centertown
heritage
study
was
to
undertake
a
comprehensive
review
of
heritage
resources
in
centertown
and
determine
if
centertown
properties
outside
of
the
existing
heritage,
conservation,
district's
merit
listing
on
the
register,
the
city
of
ottawa,
hired
era,
architects,
to
review
every
property
in
the
study
area
and
make
recommendations
based
on
their
findings
era.
Architects
is
an
award-winning
firm,
specializing
in
heritage
conservation
and
urban
planning.
E
The
centre
town
study
area
includes
the
core
of
centre
town's
historic,
residential
neighborhood.
The
area
contains
over
three
thousand
properties,
so
you
can
see
on
the
slide.
The
map
shows
a
black
line
with
the
boundary
of
the
study
area,
gloucester
street
dorito
canal
catherine
street
and
bronson
avenue.
E
The
yellow
area
is
the
existing
heritage,
conservation
district
and
the
purple
triangles.
Those
show
where
the
proposed
additions
to
the
heritage
register
are
located.
These
are
the
properties
before
you
today
and
listed
in
document.
One
of
this
report
you
can
see
the
distribution
is
relatively
even
on
the
east
side
throughout
the
golden
triangle
and
on
the
west.
There's
a
concentration
around
the
dundall
park
area
near
the
district
board
of
the
border.
E
E
E
The
centertown
heritage
inventory
outlines
the
classification
scheme
that
was
designed
to
identify
properties
with
heritage
value
and
which
could
be
candidates
for
an
appropriate
form
of
protection
under
the
ontario
heritage.
Act
such
as
listing
significant
resources
are
properties
that
are
cultural,
aesthetic
or
historical
landmarks
of
considerable
value.
These
properties
have
significance
beyond
their
immediate
context,
character.
Defining
resources
are
properties
that
play
an
important
role
in
defining
their
historic
context,
clearly
reflecting
a
characteristic
pattern,
activity
or
attribute
the
third
category
character.
E
E
E
E
So
this
is
a
screenshot
of
326
lion
which
currently
has
no
heritage
status
and
has
two
recommendations:
the
first
being
list
on
heritage
register,
the
online
consultation
ended
in
july,
and
we
received
77
responses.
The
comments
were
definitely
a
mix.
Many
were
looking
for
information.
Some
posed
further
heritage
protection,
while
some
supported
the
changes
next
slide.
E
E
E
Owners
of
listed
properties
are
required
to
give
60
days
notice
in
writing
of
their
intent
to
demolish.
During
this
time,
our
staff,
we
conduct
a
review.
We
inform
the
board
counselor
and
the
chair
of
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
that
we
have
received
the
application
to
demolish
during
this
time.
E
E
E
If
owners
want
to
request
removal
from
the
heritage
register,
we
have
a
forum
on
ottawa
dossier,
the
form
is
emailed
to
staff
and
we
bring
a
report
forward
on
removals
from
the
heritage
register.
Once
a
year
as
per
the
council-approved
heritage
register
procedures
document,
one
outlines
the
310
buildings
proposed
in
this
report
for
listing
on
the
heritage
register.
E
These
are
typical
center
town
buildings
that
give
center
town
as
look
and
feel
as
an
inner
city,
neighborhood
centertown
experienced
several
waves
of
development.
Modern
high
rises
give
center
town
its
character,
as
do
earlier,
red
brick
structures
two
to
three
stories:
high:
the
dates
of
the
buildings
range
from
the
1870s
right
to
the
1970s
and
include
designs
by
architects,
winnowski
cecil,
burgess
and
john
pritchard
mclaren
among
others.
Next
slide.
E
E
E
Another
example
of
a
detached
house
is
a
type
we're
calling
the
hip
roof
with
asymmetrical
gable
bay.
This
is
sort
of
an
ottawa
version
of
a
bay
gable
house.
This
is
a
typical
type
characterized
by
a
prominent
projecting
bay
that
extends
above
the
eaves.
There
are
many
variations.
The
main
roof
is
hipped,
sometimes
truncated.
The
projecting
bay
is
on
the
left
or
right.
These
examples
are
all
from
the
clearance
next
slide.
E
The
last
type
I'll
mention
there's
more
in
the
report
from
the
consultant,
is
the
row
house,
so
center
town
home
to
many
early
row
houses.
Typically,
these
are
long
rectangular
two-story
buildings
that
contain
a
number
of
units,
usually
three
to
five.
Many
were
built
with
porches
balconies
and
they
have
a
cornice
next
slide
piece.
E
So
of
the
310
properties,
142
were
billed
as
detached
houses,
87
are
row,
houses
48
are
semi-detached,
17
apartments
and
two
triplexes,
so
that's
nearly
all
of
the
buildings
were
built
for
residential
purposes.
Only
14
of
the
group
were
built
for
non-residential,
so
churches
schools,
those
types
of
buildings
next
slide.
E
In
terms
of
notification,
owners
were
mailed
a
notice
back
in
june
and
another
notice
in
advance
of
this
meeting,
stating
that
the
city
recommends
listing
their
property
on
the
heritage
register.
The
mail
out
included
details
about
how
to
participate
and
contain
the
property
information
sheet
following.
E
E
Identifying
properties
of
cultural
heritage
value
is
an
essential
part
of
a
municipality's
role
in
heritage
conservation.
These
buildings
were
identified
as
having
cultural
heritage
value
for
their
role
in
defining
the
character
of
center
town.
In
conclusion,
this
report
recommends
that
the
build
heritage
subcommittee
recommend
that
council
approve
the
addition
of
properties
listed
in
document
1
on.
E
A
Thank
you,
miss
marshall,
for
your
detailed
report.
Much
appreciated.
We
do
have
a
number
of
speakers
that
have
been
registered
to
speak
on
this
item,
but
before
that
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
that
we
did
receive
a
number
of
correspondence.
A
The
clerk
off
the
clerk's
office
did
receive
a
bit
of
correspondence
in
terms
of
this
item,
especially
around
their
their
opposition
to
the
addition
to
the
to
these
respective
properties
to
the
heritage
register
that
included
a
correspondence
from
kibera
udin
kabir
regarding
160
metcalf
street,
dated
october
8th
for
roos
of
a
witchcraft
group
of
companies
who
sent
an
email
which
also
includes
included
a
cultural
heritage.
A
We
did
receive
the
cultural
heritage
evaluation
report
prepared
by
john
stewart
of
commonwealth
historic
resource
management
dated
october
8th
regarding
267
bay,
street
joshua,
moon
of
early
robertson
hill
and
mcdougall
llp
sent
a
letter
dated
october
8th
regarding
205
catherine
street
and
staff
also
circulated
a
an
update
of
public
submissions
dated
october
9th.
Our
first
registered
speaker
is
kabir
udin
cabera,
who
will
be
talking
about
160
metcalfe
street.
B
A
I
know
that
cabera
is
calling
in
from
the
richmond
room
in
city
hall,
so
I
do
know
that
there
there
will
be
some
technical
support
that
will
be
provided
to
him.
If,
if
he's
not
able
to
log
into
the
call
right
now
and
requires
technical
support,
we
can
go
to
the
second
registered
speaker
farooz.
A
G
Thank
you
very
much
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
for
this
matter.
I
sent
a
letter
saying
you
know
how
what's
in
the
property
is
owned
by
captain
foods,
limited
of
which
I'm
the
part
owner,
and
I
take
care
of
the
building
and
do
the
maintenance
and
other
things
whatever
is
required.
G
They
owned
for
18
months
around
about
that
time
and
at
that
time
they
were
behind
in
texas
for
1881,
with
the
amount
I
I
mentioned,
6976
86
cents,
plus
the
included
the
interest
plus
the
water
bill
555.24,
which
were
paid
at
the
price
at
the
time
of
the
purchase.
G
G
G
So
I
took
care
of
them
and
took
took
the
the
the
first
and
second
floor,
the
fireplaces
out
out
of
those
or
out
of
the
building
as
well.
G
I
have
to
take
take
that
in
consideration
and
we
have
to
change
to
post
air
heating
system
and
also,
I
noticed
the
building
is
sinking
in
the
middle,
because
there's
too
much
there
was
blasting
going
on
around.
You
know
not
at
that
time,
but
you
know
later
on
and
also
the
heavy
traffic
on
the
road.
G
In
2005
there
was
second
floor,
we
had
office
space
and
I
I
changed.
I
wanted
to
change
it
to
the
part
of
the
restaurant
because,
most
of
the
time
it
was
vacant-
and
there
were
the
taxes
were
very
high.
So
I
I
applied
this
second
floor
to
be
part
of
the
restaurant
and
then
I
I
I
was
told
because
I
have
to
pay
12
000
parking
in
liu
and
diana
who
madame
diana
home,
was
the
elder
lady.
G
At
that
time-
and
I
told
her-
I
don't
have
that
kind
of
money,
and
I
I
you
know
I
can
pay
a
panic
for
each
parking
and
she
said
no
either
you
have
to
pay
or
I'll
put
it
on
the
heritage
list
and
which
I
didn't
want
it,
because
I
knew
the
building
building
is
in
a
very
bad
rundown
shape.
So
I
didn't
wanted
that
thing
to
happen.
So
I
ended
up
paying
12
000,
because
I,
which
I
suffered
great
deed
of
hardship
and
I
also
to
renovate
the
building.
B
And
one
minute
left
sorry,
one
minute
left
one
minute.
G
Okay,
in
the
end,
I
will
you
know,
there's
some
other
things
to
talk
to
about,
but
in
the
end
I
would
like
the
committee
member
to
please
come
and
have
a
look
inside.
What
is
there
to
put
on
the
heritage
and
it's
it
doesn't
make
any
sense.
The
other
thing
is
with
the
with
the
building
as
a
27
story.
Building
at
the
back,
you
can
see
on
the
internet
that
has
done
a
lot
of
damage
to
the
building.
It
has
cracked
and
is
sliding
inside
the.
G
The
report
of
the
from
the
explorer
text
give
what
was
before
they
started
building
and
what
is
now
so
I
the
matter
now
is
in
the
hand
of
the
lawyers,
because
the
building
is
sinking
and-
and
I
like
I-
I
request
and
ask
appeal
the
people
of
on
the
committee
to
come
and
have
a
look.
What
is
there
and
then
make
a
decision?
A
Thank
you,
mr
khabir,
for
your
deputation.
We
do
have
a
question
for
you
from
councillor
brockington.
I
G
G
There
are
no
stack
pipes,
there's
a
lot
of
thing
inside
which
are
which
are
not
very
good.
I
keep
propping
it
up.
I
keep
putting
the
metal
post
to
see
I
can
carry
on
for
the
time
being,
because
I
don't
have
the
money
to
redevelop
it.
So
this
is
the
reason
and-
and
it's
and
it's
not
worth
putting
this
building
in,
because
it's
already
split
and
it's
sliding
into
the
big
dick
they
made
for
27
story
building
and
that
they,
the
matter,
is
in
the
hand
of
the
lawyer
to
seek.
G
They
cannot,
and
I
was
told
by
the
by
the
builders
you
know
which
I
which,
in
whom
I
have
the
trust
he
said
this
has
to
be
done
from
the
bottom
up.
You
cannot
repair
the
building
like
this.
It
has
already
gone
down
and
it's
still
sliding
and
my
tenants
who
are
they
were
the
restroom
by
backdrop
they
have,
they
left
the
building
because
the
building
they
couldn't
open
the
door.
G
G
So
they
they
left
and
then
another
idea
entered
somebody
else
who
has
not
paid
anything
and
he
has
demolished
a
lot
of
things
inside
and
he's
walked
out
as
well
because
of
this
cover
19..
So
I
don't
think
there
is
any
need
to
put
this
this
present
on
the
heritage
list,
because
you
can
see
from
outside.
I
put
the
the
metal
roofing
because
the
there
were.
There
was
always
a
lot
of
problem
with
the
with
the
eyes
falling
in
winter,
for
which
I
was
always
worried
about
the
people
walking
on
the
on
the
street.
G
G
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
I
would
very
much
like
you
all
of
you
to
come
and
see
make
an
appointment.
You
know
when
you
have
a
time
I'll
I'll
show
you
everything
inside
and
you'll
you
will.
You
will
believe
that.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
I
think
that
there's
a
question
from
member
padelski.
C
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
camilla.
If
you
would
stay
on
the
line
for
a
moment,
my
questions
to
you
and
if
you
can't
answer
it,
perhaps
staff
can
answer
it,
and
that
is
that
on
the
era
report,
your
property
is
identified
as
a
character
defining
resource
which
is
the
second
highest
level
category
outside
the
district.
And
did
you
receive
and
understand
the
heritage,
survey
and
evaluation
form
that
was
prepared
for
this
property?
C
I
guess
my
question
to
you
is:
did
you
receive
it
and
did
you
get
advice
on
the
validity
of
it
and,
if
not,
has
the
city
actually
prepared
a
full
heritage,
serbian
evaluation
form
for
this
property
and,
of
course,
all
the
other
310
properties.
G
I
haven't
received
anything
as
far
as
I
know,
because
I
always
you
know
I
always
follow
what
whatever
is
going
on,
but
I
haven't
received
that,
but
I
think
I
just
want
to
bring
something
else
out.
I
talked
to
the
I
think,
the
the
heritage,
the
planners
and
I
asked
them.
I
if
I
remember
correctly,
I
asked
them
to
come
and
have
a
look
and
they
they're
just
making
it
to
see
and
sitting
inside,
but
they
are
not
coming
to
see
what
is
there?
G
And
I
I
and
I
I'm
not
in
in
in
this-
you
know
situation
that
I
be
able
to
demolish
today
and
rebuild
it,
because
I
don't
have
those
resources,
I'm
I'm
busy
with
a
farm
which
I'm
developing
as
a
as
a
pioneer
in
building
the
farm
from
scratch,
and
I'm
busy
with
that
as
well
and
the
rest
of
the
rest
of
the
time.
I
spend
here
take
care
of
this
on
day
to
day,
so
that
so
that
we
keep
on.
C
Yes,
it
does
perhaps
chair
king.
We
could
ask
the
staff
about
the
circulation
of
the
survey
and
evaluation
form
for
this
property
and
all
the
other
properties.
Absolutely.
G
And
again,
I
will
very
much
I
really
request
all
the
respectable
members
of
the
committee
to
come
and
have
a
look
that
that
that
will
be
my.
You
know
I'll
thank.
A
You,
mr
cabera,
we
we've
noted
that
and
now
we're
asking
staff
to
respond
to
member
pedopsky's
inquiry
about
about
outreach.
E
Mr
kavir
and
the
other
owners,
it
included
a
property
information
sheet,
so
it's
not
the
same
type
of
document
as
the
heritage
survey
form
that
was
mentioned,
the
heritage
survey
form
is
something
used
when
we're
designating
a
property.
It's
the
ontario
regulation,
906
criteria
for
the
listing
on
the
register.
That's
not
the
criteria
that
the
city
has
used
and
it's
not
what
our
consultant
has
looked
at.
E
We
looked
at
a
different
type
of
review
that
really
focused
on
architecture
and
on
context,
and
we
submitted
that
document
to
the
owners
in
the
mail
out
so
that
went
through
the.
I
guess
the
year
built
the
estimated
year
built,
it
went
through
the
architectural
style
and
also
had
notes.
For
example,
160
metcalf
is
a
corner
property,
so
it
contributes
to
two
different
streetscapes,
so
that
was
the
material
that
was
sent
and
we
didn't
hear
anything
back
in
terms
of
concerns
or
errors
on
this.
B
A
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
now
we
have
our
next
speaker
who
is
registered
on
the
list,
mr
farooz
wahab,
so
please
go
ahead.
F
No
problem,
no,
it's
okay!
I
get
it
all
the
time,
no
problem,
so
just
a
bit
of
a
history
on
the
file
richcraft
is
actively
looking
to
develop
the
property
at
68
cooper.
As
part
of
our
due
diligence.
We
have
contacted
city
heritage
staff
on
several
occasions
over
the
last
year
discussed
the
heritage
value
of
the
property,
after
which
we
were
left
with
the
clear
impression
that
the
city
had
no
interest
in
the
property
and
no
intention
to
designate
subsequently
through
the
centertown
heritage
study,
we
were
informed.
F
We
submitted
a
cultural
heritage,
evaluation
report
with
our
consultant,
chrm
and
sorry
to
challenge
the
recommendations
and
we're
informed
that
the
recommendation
remember
the
recommendation
will
still
stand.
Our
report
assesses
the
potential
heritage
value
against
the
current
provincial
regulations
and
we'd
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
have
john
stewart
speak
to
the
evaluation.
Why
the
property?
Our
property,
should
not
be
listed
specifically.
K
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
john
stewart
is
next
on
the.
H
List
good
morning
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
I
was
engaged
by
witchcraft
to
have
a
look
at
68
cooper
street,
probably
two
years
ago,
and
at
that
time
I
spoke
with
heritage
staff
and
questioned
what
the
the
if
any,
the
the
city's
plans
were
and
was
told
that
they
had
no
intention
of
designating
and
no
intention
of
incorporating
this.
H
So
when
this
this
came
along,
witchcraft
asked
me
to
develop
some
sort
of
an
analysis
to
determine
whether,
in
fact,
there
was
value
and
why
it
was
considered
a
character,
defining
property
and
basically,
what
I
prepared
is
a
identification
and
evaluation
under
ontario
regulation,
0906
criteria
for
determining
heritage
value.
H
You
look
at
the
property,
it's
a
mid-block
location.
It's
on
the
south
side
of
cooper
street,
bound
the
block
between
carthage
to
the
west
and
the
driveway
to
the
east.
The
the
house
originally
is
one
of
27
residences
built
on
cooper
street
between
the
driveway
and
cartier
street.
It's
the
only
one
remaining.
H
The
the
property
has
literally
been
orphaned.
It
sits
in
the
adjacent
to
a
parking
lot
which
extends
from
over
to
carchi.
H
H
The
only
traditional
or
heritage
property
in
the
area
is
the
1929
catholic
church,
which
is
on
the
corner
in
terms
of
the
property
itself
and
the
review
that
was
taking
place.
It's
the
building
itself
is,
is
it's
a
nice
piece
of
architecture?
It
was
quite
a
handsome
building,
and
for
that
reason,
when
we
did
the
evaluation,
we
incorporated,
the
property
has
design
value
and
it
was
determined
to
be
an
example
of
a
style.
H
It's
a
standard
form.
It's
1895.,
it's
a
red,
brick
asymmetrical.
Sorry,
I'm
looking
for
the
term
hip,
roof
and
asymmetrical
gable
in
terms
of
the
other
criteria
it
does,
it
doesn't
display
a
high
degree
of
craftsmanship.
It
doesn't
display
technical,
scientific
in
terms
of
historical
associations.
H
The
property
was
owned
by
the
original
owner
was
a
e.j
o'connor.
Who
was
a
clerk
at
the
post
office
and
other
other
owners
are
local
local
businessmen
within
the
area.
H
In
terms
of
yield
as
a
potential
yield
for
information,
it
does
not
apply
and
then,
in
the
category
three,
the
contextual
value,
as
I
said
earlier,
the
the
property
has
been
orphaned,
it
literally
sits.
Can
you
go
to
page
four
of
the
document?
Please
I
it
literally
sits
in
a
parking
lot.
It's
here
and
high
rise
all
around
it
and
the
church,
as
I
said,
was
the
is
the
only
one
in
the
area
go
to
the
next
slide.
H
Please
next
page,
please
sorry
again,
looking
from
in
front
of
the
building,
you
can
see
the
high-rise
and
looking
the
other
direction
towards
the
the
canal.
It
again
is
is
surrounded
by
high
rises.
The
conclusion.
B
H
Left.
Thank
you.
The
conclusion
that
we
came
to
was
that,
in
fact
it's
as
a
as
a
building
it
there
is
physical
value,
but
the
fact
that
it's
been
left
completely
without
context.
H
D
Hi,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
john,
for
that.
I
think
that
you,
I
think
you
actually
answered
my
question
in
your
last
sentence,
but
I
will
ask
it
just
so
that
I
I
have
a
clear
understanding.
So
is
the
is
your
concern
being
on
the
register,
because
you
you
know,
would
feel
that
there
would
be
some
risk
to
redevelopment
if
you
had
to
wait
for
the
60
days
for
demolition,
or
is
it
that
you
feel
that
it
could
you
know
it?
D
It
may
lead
to
an
actual
designation
and
also,
I
guess
my
next
question
will
well
no
I'll
ask
this
of
you
as
well.
Like
you
know,
you
did
also
mention
it's.
You
know
the
hip
roof
asymmetrical,
gable
style
and
outside
of
its
context,
it's
physical
context.
D
Do
you
agree
that
it
would
be
difficult
to
put
other
very
similar
properties
on
the
register
and
not
include
this
one?
That
looks
very
much
like,
like
the
others,
mostly
all
mclaren,.
H
I
think,
if
you're
dealing
directly
with
the
architecture,
I've,
no,
I
have
no
question
that
the
building
isn't
it's
it's
a
pattern
book,
queen
anne
style,
it's
a
it's
a
nice
building,
it's
it's
red,
brick!
I
think
really
what
I!
What
I
question
is
why
you
would
want
to
put
that
on
as
a
character,
defining
feature
when
the
character
of
the
area
is
completely
completely
altered.
It's
surrounded
by
by
high-rise.
It's
it's
identified
as
an
area
for
larger
scale
buildings.
H
It
doesn't
really
represent
what
whatever
historically
was
there.
What
presently
today
is
the
intent
of
that
area.
So
I
question
whether
or
not
from
that
from
that
point
of
view,
whether
or
not
it
would
make
sense
to
move
it
forward.
I
think
if
you're
talking
about
character,
defining
it
doesn't
define
that
area
anymore.
It
definitely
is
a
is
a.
I
guess,
an
orphan
in
that
particular
setting.
D
Okay
and
I'll
follow
up
with
staff
after
on
that
on
that
question,
but
just
back
to
them.
My
first
question
just
want
to
confirm.
Then
your
your
opposition
is
to
having
it
just
registered,
even
rather
than
or
is
it
that
you
worry
that
it
would
lead
to
designation,
because
we're
just
talking
about
being
included
on
a
register
right
now,
right.
H
Yes,
at
this
point,
I
think
the
question
is:
why
would
the
city
want
to
register
a
property
that
doesn't
represent
what
they're
they're
promoting?
If
I
mean,
if
it's
not
character,
defining
because
character
defining
is
in
fact
you
take
a
look
at
the
area
and
it
doesn't
define
that
area
anymore.
It's
it's
the
one
remaining
building
of
the
26
that
were
on
that
street,
so
it
to
me
it
it's
not
a
logical
process
that
the
city
is
going
through
in
this
particular
case.
D
Okay,
no,
I
appreciate
that
so
at
the
end
of
the
at
the
end
of
the
delegations,
I
will
have
some
questions
for
staff.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Mr
stewart.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
stewart.
The
next
registered
speakers
are
michael
casey
and
ursula
mullens
of
soloway
wright
llp,
who
are
speaking
and
addressing
the
ten.
The
driveway.
M
Good
morning,
members
of
the
committee,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee
and
members
of
council,
this
all
started
this
all
started
a
couple
of
years
ago,
and
we
received
a
original
notice
and
the
original
notice
says
that
the
architectural,
the
primary
architectural
style
pretend
the
driveway
is
modernism.
M
We
agree
with
that.
The
assertions
that
have
now
been
made,
as
we
have
moved
through
the
process
center
on
the
brutalism
nature
of
the
design-
and
I
take
exception
to
the
building
falling
into
that
category.
M
L
M
M
Okay,
so
there's
another
the
next
picture
down,
please
I
apologize.
Okay,
the
balconies
are
fluted,
the
underside
of
the
balcony
is
fluted.
The
front
face
of
the
balcony
is
floated
the
front
of
the
building.
The
ends
of
the
building
are
articulated
the
there
is
no
monolithic
mass
of
concrete
here.
This
is
all
precast.
M
M
You
will
all
remember
that
the
national
art
center
went
to
great
expense
to
de-brutalize
its
entrance
last
summer
in
the
summer
before,
with
the
massive
change
on
elgin
street,
so
we've
got
a
building
that
sits
on
a
podium
is
been
maintained
quite
well
by
us
and
will
be
around
for
many
many
years
to
come.
I
am
a
practical
person
in
dealing
with
practicalities,
the
ability
for
me
to
empty
out
186
unit
apartment
building
and
and
do
so
within
a
60-day
period.
That
would
prevent
you
from
doing
anything
is
not
possible.
It's
not
practical.
M
I
come
back
so
you
know.
I
I
don't
know
what
you're
trying
to
protect
here
and
I
I
I
think
it's
you're
protecting
the
wrong
thing.
What
are
the
design
elements
of
this
building?
You
know
when
I,
when
I
read
the
the
the
the
criteria
it
talks
about
local
design
skills.
Well,
the
firm
that
designed
this
was
rose
and
caruso
and
they
came
from
montreal.
M
It
talks
you
talk
about
cornish
features.
The
building
doesn't
have
a
cornish
at
all.
It's
got
a
precast
panel
that
it
there's
no
porches
as
such
they're
balconies.
The
doors
are
not
carved
or
trimmed
they're
glass
for
a
demonstration
of
original
building,
massive
shape
and
volume.
M
I
would
argue
that
there's
a
thousand
buildings
throughout
ottawa
that
have
the
same
shape,
perhaps
not
volume,
some
smaller,
some
larger
and
massing
and
depth
broadly
square-
would
be
another
good
example
additions
or
modifications.
None
have
been
done
to
this
building
one
minute
left
yep.
When
you
look
at
the
neighborhood
heritage
statement,
attributes
that
should
be
considered
a
would
be
reflecting
thematic
and
cultural
references.
M
There
are
none
here.
It
contributes
to
the
heritage
fabric
of
the
street.
In
fact
the
the
houses
on
the
street
were
removed
and
this
new
modern
building
was
installed.
M
I
don't
think
that
it
has
common
attributes
with
lindsay
or
collegiate
its
neighbor
or
the
armory.
Its
neighbor
two
blocks
away
connects
to
the
landscape.
No,
if
we
changed
the
landscaping
completely
when
the
building
was
built,
you
know
he's
known
for
a
historical
incident
or
this
person
living
there,
not
not
so
far.
There
is
still
a
future.
M
So
in
conclusion,
I
would
like
you
to
not
add
10
driveway
and
impose
any
listings
on
it.
I
think
that
your
time
could
be
far
better
spent
on
on
properties
that
are,
in
fact
of
heritage
value.
Thank
you.
L
And
so,
if
I
may
now
just
make
my
submission
slightly
different
than
mr
casey's,
we
wanted
to
take
the
this
is
not
just
there's
no
disrespect
meant
to
staff
or
era,
but
the
information
that
was
actually
provided
to
attend
the
driveway.
In
regards
to
why
this
was
proposed
to
be
included
on
the
list
was
really
quite
inadequate.
It
was
one
page
it
had
approximately
20
words
saying
early
brutalism,
without
an
explanation
as
to
to
what
that
really
meant.
L
So
you
know
we
do
look
for
additional
information
from
the
city
should
they
proceed
forward
with
any
of
the
future
studies.
Nevertheless,
it
is
our
submission
that
this
does
not
satisfy
the
criteria
for
inclusion.
Mr
casey
went
into
this
some
of
the
specifics
in
regards
to
the
building,
but
one
of
the
notable
things
about
the
er
a
report
is
that
most
of
the
buildings
they
identified
or
recognized.
L
You
know
whether
it's
the
reports
that
the
the
photos
in
the
report,
or
even
many
of
the
examples
you're
going
to
hear
spoken
to
specifically
today,
are
the
houses,
the
red
brick
houses.
That
is
very
typical
of
the
center
town
character,
as
opposed
to
this
building,
which
is
very
much
unlike
that,
as
mr
casey
said,
it
was
actually
the
typical
santa
town
community
that
was
demolished
in
order
to
construct
this
in
1970s.
L
L
Building
and
and
of
note
today
was
the
first
time
I
actually
heard
that
it
wasn't
the
the
reg
0906
criteria
that
was
not
applied
by
the
city
nera,
so
that
that
regulation
is
what
comes
out
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
and
it's
what
they
look
at
when
they're
determining
whether
or
not
to
assign
heritage
interest
to
it.
So
it
does
look
at
design
or
physical
value.
Is
it
rare
or
unique,
high
degree
of
craftsmanship?
L
Does
it
demonstrate
a
high
degree
of
technical
scientific
achievement
which
we
submit
does
not
apply?
In
this
case?
It's
not
associated
with
a
historical
theme
event
or
person,
and
the
property
doesn't
have
any
contextual
value
either.
It
doesn't
define
or
support
the
character
of
an
area.
It's
not
linked
to
the
surroundings.
It's
not
a
landmark
building.
Now.
L
Having
said
that
again,
going
back
to
the
ara
report,
it
it
talks
about
character,
supporting
resources
and
it
identified
this
building
as
having
a
character
supporting
resource,
but
it
doesn't
really
and
sorry
the
criteria
that
era
refer
to
in
order
to
determine
that
is
the
period
of
development.
Is
it
pre-1875
or
is
it
1876
to
1914
this
building
does
not
qualify?
L
Is
it
an
expression
of
an
early
or
a
notable
or
rare
development?
This
building
really
is
not
remarkable
in
regards
to
any
of
those
categories,
and
it's
also
not
part
of
a
grouping
or
a
streetscape.
L
So,
regardless
of
whether
we
look
at
the
regulation
or
era's
study
criteria,
this
building
just
doesn't
seem
to
fit
into
any
of
the
categories
as
to
what
makes
it
remarkable
or
heritage.
So
based
on
that,
it's
it's
not
an
indication
of
brutalism.
It's
it's
not
remarkable.
We
don't
believe
it
should
be
listed
on
the
city's
heritage
register
at
this
point
in
time.
A
Submission
thank
you
for
your
submission
all
right
for
your
joint
submission.
I
don't
see
any
questions
from
the
subcommittee,
so
the
next
registered
sorry.
D
A
I
know
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
ask
after
the
submissions.
Okay.
Thank
you
excellent.
So
thank
you
for
your
submission.
The
next
registered
speaker
is
joshua
moon
from
pearly,
robertson,
hill
and
mcdougall
llp
speaking
to
205
catherine
street.
N
N
N
We
only
got
the
evaluation
sheet
on
friday,
although
it's
actually
not
labeled
as
an
evaluation
sheet,
and
it
does
have
a
little
bit
more
information,
but
not
a
lot.
So
there
was
only
nine
business
days
from
the
date
of
formal
notice
to
this
hearing,
so
no
effective
time
to
spend
time
with
staff
or
the
consultant
or
make
comments
or
get
their
comments,
and
certainly
over
the
long
weekend
we
couldn't
make
arrangements
for
that.
N
N
Perhaps
you
can
create
a
category
of
properties
that
can
go
later,
if
there's
no
resolution
or
no
submissions
that
change
staff's
mind
or
your
mind
eventually,
at
a
subsequent
hearing,
I
think
that
that's
the
strongest
and
first
position
of
the
owners
of
this
property-
it's
just
too
short
a
period
of
time
in
any
event
while
being
on
the
registry
list
is
not
designation,
that's
understood.
We
know
it.
N
So
I
have
a
little
bit
of
knowledge,
and
so
I
did
go
to
regulation
0906
to
look
at
what's
the
ultimate
test
in
the
end,
not
the
test
that
your
staff
are
applying
and
your
consultants
are
applying
here
at
the
registry
stage.
What's
the
ultimate
test
for
designation
and
in
my
written
submission-
and
I
hope
you
take
the
time
to
read
it
at
least-
make
a
preliminary
statement
and
I'm
not
professing
that
it's
a
professional
opinion
similar
to
what
some
professional
consultant
could
give,
but
by
any
standard
205
catherine
street
would
never
be
designated.
N
N
My
client
tells
me
40
years
ago,
when
the
family
and
he
acquired
the
property.
There
was
three
or
four
courses
of
glass
block
he
added
on
to
make
it
some
eight
or
ten
or
twelve
layers
of
glass
block.
He
changed
the
building
and
I
list
the
changes
so
effectively.
You're
saying
grant
reid
is
heritage,
not
the
building.
N
N
I
N
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
because
I
don't
know
the
availability
of
staff.
One
would
think
it
would
be
enough
time
and
I
it
would
be.
Availability
of
staff
meetings
are
actually
convenient
now
because
they're
all
not
done
in
person
they're
done
by
this
technology,
so
certainly
that
that
is
achievable
it's
a
month
away,
and
presumably
there
could
be
some
time
fair.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
brockington,
and
thank
you,
mr
moon,
and
now
I'd
like
to
call
again
on
jon
stewart
of
commonwealth
historic
resource
management
to
speak
to
267
bay
street.
H
Thank
you
very
much
to
chair
267
bay
street.
This
is
a
it's
a
two-story
corner,
building
constructed
in
in
between
1902
and
1912
as
a
as
a
drugstore,
and
it's
continued
to
carry
on
the
operation
as
a
sort
of
a
service
commercial
service
building
within
the
neighborhood.
H
Bay
street,
basically,
we
took
a
look
at
this
again
using
the
criteria
0906
and
to
determine
whether
or
not
it
would
be
considered
appropriate
to
designate
this
building.
If,
if
it
came
to
pass,
I
think
mr
moon
referred
to
precursor
to
analysis.
H
I,
the
the
building
itself,
has
it's
a
it's
a
nice,
it's
a
it
was
a
nice
little
building.
It
was
part
of
a
larger
larger
structure.
There
was
a.
It
was
attached
to
a
a
two
and
a
half
story,
end
gable,
and
just
recently
the
property
has
had
an
18-storey
apartment,
building
built
right
next
to
it,
with
the
balconies
overhanging
and
again
this
situation.
It
occurs
that
you
have
a
reasonable
building
that
has
been
modified
over
time.
H
H
H
I
wonder
again
whether
this
there's
a
logic
in
going
forward
with
registering
this
and
and
placing
it
in
a
situation
where,
in
fact,
the
the
merits
of
the
of
the
context
and
the
merits
of
the
building
do
not
deserve
the
the
recognition,
particularly
as
character
defining.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you,
mr
stewart.
I
don't
see
questions
for
you
from
the
subcommittee,
so
the
final
registered
speaker
for
today
on
this
item
is
david
fleming
of
heritage
ottawa.
F
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
am
the
chair
of
the
advocacy
committee
for
heritage
ottawa.
I
want
to
congratulate
city
staff
on
bringing
this
matter
forward.
It's
it's
nice
to
see
more
more
buildings
being
considered
for
the
register,
and
this
is
a
I
think,
we're
still
feeling
our
way
along
with
this
process.
F
I
remember
when
the
first,
when
the
first
properties
were
proposed
for
inclusion
on
the
register,
one
of
the
challenges,
one
of
the
challengers
said
that
this
was
a
trip
wire
to
designation,
that
somehow,
once
a
property
was
put
on
the
register,
then
the
next
thing
it
would
automatically
become
the
city
would
want
to
register
it
as
a
designated
property
under
the
ontario
heritage
act.
F
This
hasn't
been
the
case
and
I
think
in
the
city
staff
report,
they
mentioned
that
all
the
applications
for
demolition
have
subsequently
been
approved
for
properties
that
are
on
the
register.
So
it
hasn't
been
a
trip
wire.
It
hasn't
been
even
a
precursor
for
analysis,
as
as
the
previous
speaker
noted,
so
I
think
it's
it's
a
process
and
we're
feeling
our
way
along.
F
I
think
it's
very
legitimate
for
people
to
challenge
this
and
I
think
the
more
challenges
that
are
that
are
made
to
to
the
decisions
and
to
the
recommendations,
the
more
we're
going
to
be
able
to
fine-tune
our
our
heritage
register.
F
I
guess
I
I
urge
you
to
to
give
serious
consideration
to
the
properties
that
are
that
are
on
the
list
and
look
forward
to
other
properties
being
proposed
for
the
register
in
the
near
future.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
mr
fleming,
and
I
don't
see
questions
for
you
from
the
subcommittee.
So
does
the
subcommittee
now
have
any
questions
for
staff.
A
And
I
know
that
counselor
mckinney
had
a
question,
so
I
will
let
her
lead
off.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair,
thank
you
to
everyone
who
came
out
today
and
to
to
staff.
This
has
been
a
long
process
that
has
been
challenged
by
a
pandemic
and
the
way
that
we
work.
So
it's
it's,
it's
good
to
have
it
in
front
of
us.
D
You
know
we
we
I'm
fortunate
enough
to
be
that
counselor
that
represents
center
town,
and
it
is
one
of
the
most
important
in
terms
of
its
heritage
from
a
heritage
aspect,
one
of
the
most
important
neighborhoods
in
in
in
the
city,
and
you
know
I
I
support
the
the
entire
heritage
study
as
we
move
forward,
and
you
know,
starting
today
with
the
with
the
inventory,
we've
been
down
this
road
before
in
other
neighborhoods,
and
I
think
that
you
know,
while
much
of
the
same
concerns
have
been
raised,
you
know
at
while
we
considered
other
additions
to
the
register
each.
D
So
so
I
do
appreciate
the
challenge
to
to
the
register
as
well,
but
on
that
my
questions
for
staff,
if
you
could,
because
much
of
the
conversation
today
revolved
around
the
definition
of
character,
defining
resource
and
what
that
means
in
terms
of
a
building
within
its
context,
we
heard
that
words
like
orphan
and
unfortunately
there
are
many
what
I
think
are
important
heritage
buildings
just
from
there
just
from
their
characteristics
that
are
that
are
surrounded
by
parking
lots,
because
we
have
too
many
parking
lots
in
the
in
the
downtown.
D
So
can
you
just?
Can
you
just
explain
to
us
what
the
the
definition
I
know
it's
written
down
here,
but
when
we
talk
when
you
talk
about
character,
defining
does
that
mean
it's
defined
within
its
context
like
by
its
neighbors
within
a
block
within
within
you
know,
the
the
entire
district.
E
Yes,
certainly
so
I'll
read
the
the
definition
from
era's
report
character.
Defining
resources
are
properties
that
play
an
important
role
in
defining
their
historic
context.
E
So
in
this,
when
I
say
historic
clinics
we're
looking
at
the
entire
study
area,
so
we're
looking
at
the
neighborhood,
the
bulk
of
the
center
town
neighborhood,
the
entire
centertown
heritage
study
area
that
that's
the
context
in
general
and
certainly
we're
then
looking
at
era
had
grouped
into
three
segments.
So
we
have
sort
of
the
golden
triangle.
We
have
central
center
town
and
then
we
have
west
of
bank.
So.
E
And
staff
we
looked
at
it
again
within
that
neighborhood
context,
so
which
section
of
the
study
area
did
it
fall
into,
and
then,
after
that,
we
do
look
at
often
you
know
across
the
street
around
the
corner
that
closer
sort
of
block,
if
you
will
okay
I'll,
continue
with
the
rest
of
the
description,
so
character,
defining
resources,
properties
that
play
an
important
role
in
defining
their
historic
context,
clearly
reflecting
a
characteristic
pattern,
activity
or
attribute
of
the
area
and
I'll
just
mention
so
pattern
activity
or
attribute
an
activity
that
could
be
something
like
commerce
like
a
corner
shop.
E
A
pattern
could
be.
You
know
the
the
way
that
a
certain
brickwork
is
done,
or
you
know
the
design
of
the
building
and
attributes
of
the
area.
Some
of
the
attributes
of
the
area
are:
are
that
layered-ness
of
it?
How
there
were
waves
of
development
and
how
you
may
have
had
an
older
building,
and
then
it
had
an
addition,
or
it
was
expanded,
and
even
how
different
waves
came
in
before
you
know
the
the
second
world
war
and
then
continuing
today.
D
It
it
does.
It
does.
Thank
you
about
ten
percent
of
of
the
buildings
that
you
looked
at
in
center
town
in
in
in
what
was
within
the
study
area
about
10
percent
have
been.
D
Recommended
for
addition
to
the
register
is
that
is
that
unusually
high?
Is
it
about
average
whenever,
in
the
you
know,
in
the
past
you've
looked
at,
I
don't
know,
maybe
you
can't
answer
that
today
I
might
be
putting
you
a
bit
on
the
spot.
I
just
thought
of
it
while
you
were
speaking
earlier
actually,
but
I
just
wonder
you
know,
if
that's
if
10
is
an
average
of
what
is
added
to
a
register
from
a
study
area.
E
Oh
sorry,
yeah,
I'm
not
sure
I
can
give
you
a
full
answer,
but
I
do
think
other
neighborhoods
that
have
existing
heritage
conservation
districts.
A
lot
of
the
buildings
are
already
captured
within
those
districts.
So
somewhere
like
sandy
hill,
for
example,
I
or
a
lower
town,
I
think,
would
have
maybe
similar
numbers.
Perhaps
the
glebe
is
a
better
comparison.
It's
a
bit
of
oranges
to
apples
again,
but
certainly
the
glee,
you
know,
also
has
two
heritage
conservation
districts
and
also
has
a
similar
number
of
properties
on
the
register.
E
D
And
if
I
could
sum
up-
and
I
know
that
I'm
missing
some
nuances
here-
but
if
I
could
you
know
sum
up
the
concerns
of
owners
and
their
representatives
today
who
who
have
submitted
comment
to
us
one,
the
key
concern
is,
you
know
how
this
could
lead
to
designation
and
what
that
means
as
a
kind
of
a
precursor.
D
Do
you
know
on
average,
how
often
how
you
know?
How
often
do
we
designate
property
without
it
ever
being
on
the
register,
I
mean
seems
to
me:
it
happens
all
the
time
right
like
you
can
you
can
go
from
not
being
on
a
register
to
being
designated.
Is
that
that's
correct.
E
That's
absolutely
yes,
absolutely
correct,
there's
no
requirement
when
you
designate
a
property
or
when
staff
move
a
report,
that's
asking
for
a
designation,
there's
no
requirement
in
there
for
it
to
be
listed.
First.
There
are
different
tools
that
we
use.
Really.
The
register
is
something
we're
looking
at
to
monitor
and
track
how
fast
we're
losing
buildings,
especially
in
an
area
like
center
town
designation,
has
a
different
goal
and
that's
preservation.
Long-Term
preservation.
D
Okay,
and
do
you
know
offhand
how
many
demolitions
have
been
have
not
been
granted
because
buildings
were
on
the
register
in
the
last
year,
say
two
years.
E
So
the
stat
I
have
is
a
little
bit
longer,
so
we
changed.
We
shifted
to
a
chris
council
approved
procedure
in
and
this
is
our
staff
from
the
report.
So
we've
received
18
notices
of
intent
to
demolish
so
60
days
notice.
We've
received
18
of
them,
so
18
owners
came
forward
and
told
us,
through
our
form
online,
that
they
were
planning
to
demolish
the
building,
and
so
we
started
the
clock
and
in
every
instance
the
clock
expired
and
there
was
no
notice
of
intent
to
designate
issue
by
council
and
that's
and
that's
something.
E
D
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think
that
you
know,
I
think.
That's
that's
important
to
note
also.
You
know
the
reason
we
do
this
is
so
that
we
are
tracking.
You
know
our
our
our
heritage.
We
are
tracking
the
cultural
value
of
our
built
form
in
our
neighborhoods,
and
you
know
I
compare
it
a
little
bit
sometimes
to
you
know,
trees
like
I
get
a
really
good
reason
once
a
day,
sometimes
certainly
once
or
twice
a
week
why
large
trees
should
come
down
in
center
town,
and
it's
it's
much
the
same
thing.
D
It's
like
you
know
we,
we
have
to
know
what
the
value
of
something
is
and
what
the
what
the
aggregate
value
of
something
is
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
it
is
protected,
and
you
know
we're
at
least
giving
a
sober
second
thought
to
to
demolition,
and
you
know
when
I
think
about
10
driveway.
Absolutely
it's
not
going
to
be
demolished
in
60
days.
So
I'm
just
not
sure
that
I
understand
fully
the
rationale
for
not
wanting
it
on
a
register.
D
A
Thank
you,
councillor
mckinney
and
councillor.
Brockington
is
next
with
questions.
I
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
staff
for
their
good
work,
certainly
a
unique
part
of
our
city
center
town
and
beautiful,
somerset
ward
and
appreciate
the
report
before
us
today.
I
just
wanted
to
walk
us
through
the
five
objections
that
we
heard
this
morning
and
and
I'm
going
to
comment.
I
will
have
a
few
questions,
mr
chair,
but
I'm
going
to
intertwine
my
commentary
with
questions
just
to
get
it
all
out
at
one
time.
I
The
first
was
160
medcalf.
I
have
no
issues
with
this
being
on
the
register.
I
have
no
questions.
I
I
don't
think
there
was
a
case
made
here
to
pull
it
off.
68
cooper
was
next.
I
think
the
delegate
made
the
case
for
me
why
it
should
be
on
the
register
when
he
said
it's
the
last
of
27
of
these
homes
on
cooper
street,
which
I
think
is
very
sad.
It's
a
it's
a
very
distinct
building
and
I
think
this
is
why
we
have
a
built
heritage
subcommittee.
I
So,
as
we
heard
at
at
previous
meetings
where
people
were
quite
concerned
about
what
this
would
limit
them
to
do,
which
basically
isn't
anything
I've,
no,
I
have
no
objections
at
all
with
68
cooper
on
the
list
I'll
just
get
to
the
last
one
267
bay
street,
a
unique
looking
building
again,
I
have
no
issues
with
it
coming
on.
I
mean
staff
has
made
their
case.
If
people
have
objections
on
the
committee,
they
can
speak
up,
but
I
do
want
to
talk
to
two
items.
One
is
205,
catherine.
I
The
representative,
mr
moon,
claimed
there
was
insufficient
notice
and
I
want
to
ask
staff.
Would
you
be
opposed
if
I
put
a
motion
forward
deferring
this
item
to
the
november
13th
meeting
and
that,
in
order
to
give
mr
moon
and
the
owner
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
staff,
due
diligence
will
be,
you
know
met,
and
we
may
ultimately
be.
I
I
Okay,
mr
chair,
I
would
I
would
like
to
move
a
motion
that
for
property
at
205
catherine
street,
that
the
recommendation
to
add
be
deferred.
One
month.
I
Okay,
I
I
want
to
chime,
I'm
I'm
not
even
the
heritage
expert.
So
I'm
looking
to
my
colleagues
to
comment
on
the
10
driveway,
I'm
struggling
on
the
10
driveway.
I
think
you
know
a
case
has
been
made
that
by
the
proposed
by
the
representative
of
the
owner,
that
it
should
not
be
added.
I
I'm
willing
to
put
a
motion
on
the
floor
that
this
come
off,
but
I
want
to
hear
from
colleagues
first,
mr
chair,
so
I'm
I'm
I'm
just
putting
my
thoughts
out
there
and
it
will
defer
to
my
colleagues,
but
I
want
to
wait
until
others
have
spoken
before
I
move
that
motion,
but
I
want
to
sort
of
float
my
intent
at
this
time.
A
Thank
you
and
I
see
that
member
padelski
also
has
some
questions.
C
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
chair
king
one
of
the
by
the
way,
just
as
an
aside,
it
is
really
heartening
to
see
that
of
the
310
properties
that
are
recommended
for
the
for
the
list.
C
There's
only
five
property
owners
that
have
concerns
with
this
either
in
terms
of
the
process
and
timing
or
the
substance
of
the
report,
I
mean.
I
think
that
what
this
demonstrates
is
that
the
public
in
centertown,
the
public
generally
has
provided
support
for
the
whole
of
the
of
the
register
in
other
neighborhoods.
So
I
think
that
this
is
a
tribute
to
a
kind
of
synchronous,
shared
values
between
planners
and
city,
council
and
and
the
public.
There's
one
thing
that
I
want
to
ask
to
the
staff.
C
If
I
could-
and
that
is
on
the
in
the
era
report-
they
include
classification
of
buildings
both
inside
the
district
and
outside
the
heritage,
conservation
districts,
the
classification
or
the
significant
resource
in
a
red,
the
character,
defining
resource
and
a
kind
of
orange
and
then
and
so
on
down
the
line
in
the
case
of
10
driveway,
the
representatives
of
the
owners,
the
lawyer
and
one
of
the
owner
builders
talked
about
the
city,
advising
that
this
was
classified
as
a
character-defining
resource
a
second
category,
but
in
looking
at
the
era
map
of
the
district,
it
is
identified
as
a
significant
resource.
C
So
can
you
help
the
committee
members
understand,
given
the
fact
that
there
isn't
a
heritage,
inventory
and
evaluation
form
for
this?
Whether
it
is
the
first
category
which
era
is
recommending
to
proceed
with
designation
or
is
it
the
second
category?
So
could
you
clarify
that
and
then
I
have
a
follow-up.
C
So
if
I
can
understand
that
in
the
era
report,
which
I
read
very
carefully,
they
are
recommending
that
a
significant
resource
which
staff
has
now
endorsed
in
your
own
views,
that
this
is
a
candidate
for
designation
under
part.
Four.
The
interior
here
exact.
E
I
would
say
that
there's
potential,
certainly
as
a
character,
defining
resource
and
considering
the
classification
from
the
era.
K
C
I
understand
turkey.
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
that
the
whole
process
you
know
of
developing
the
inventory
and
lists
has
had
difficulty
with
over
the
last
number
of
years
is
that
the
level
of
research
that
was
enabled
by
the
program
was
relatively
superficial.
I
mean
the
amount
of
energy
and
research
that
was
applied
to
the
various
neighborhoods
left,
a
lot
of
doubt
as
to
whether
or
not
the
evaluation
criteria
of
regulation.
C
0906
light
was
really
being
applied
in
order
to
help
people
understand
not
only
members
of
the
billed
terrorist
committee,
but
the
public
generally
about
whether
or
not
the
the
listing
is
on
route
to
being
a
designation,
and
I
think
this
is
something
perhaps
that
we
need
to
work
with
in
the
center
town
study
here,
we're
pretty
lucky
and
that
there's
only
a
few
exceptions
to
broad
acceptance
and
trust
of
the
you
know
the
cities
program,
and
so
my
answer,
my
question
has
been
answered,
but
I
think
that
I
would
be
generally
supportive
of
counselor
brockton's.
C
Intent
that
there
should
be
quite
a
bit
more
work
done
perhaps
on
these
five
properties,
and
perhaps
they
all
are
deferred
of
sufficient
time
to
be
able
to
go
through
a
more
rigorous
process
of
evaluating
of
whether
they
are
significant
resources
or
character,
defining
resources
or
something
lower
down
the
chain.
I
think
we
owe
this
to
helping
the
public
city
councillors
and
ourselves
to
understand.
C
You
know
how
buildings
are
evaluated
and
how
they
are
eventually
designated
and
what
actions
are
taken
on
them.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you,
member
padelski,
for
that
as
a
follow-up
to
staff.
Since
I
see
that
there
are
no
other
questions,
I
I'm
curious
about
the
amount
of
resources
that
were
applied
to
the
number
of
review
of
properties
that
are
are
to
be
listed,
especially
attend
the
driveway,
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
speak
as
well
to
the
merits.
I
guess
the
the
heritage
merits
that
the
owners
had
issues
with
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
staff,
interpretation
of
of
the
of
the
of
the
heritage
benefits.
E
So
certainly,
I
think,
maybe
I'll
just
start
by
saying,
so
we
as
staff
here
at
the
city
and
and
our
consultant
area,
we
did
spend
resources
reviewing
all
of
the
buildings
in
this
report
and
I'll
just
mention
the
review
that
was
conducted
by
the
consultant
and
by
staff.
It
was.
It
was
not
0.906.
We
didn't
review
every
property
for
designation
and
I'd
like
to
offer
our
legal
counsel
today,
christine
enta
a
chance
to
speak
to
us.
I
think
that's
very
important
to
mention.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
think
one
of
the
problems
that
we
have
is
that
the
only
place
in
the
act
that
refers
to
the
criteria
for
determining
cultural
heritage,
value
or
interest
is
that
that
regulation,
the
the
906.
So
I
can
appreciate
why
my
colleagues
turn
to
it.
However,
that
regulation
is
only
with
respect
to
looking
at
the
criteria
that
are
set
out
for
the
purposes
of
clause.
J
29
1a
of
the
act,
which
is
with
respect
to
actual
designation
of
a
property,
and
what
we're
dealing
with
today
is
the
register,
which
falls
under
section
27
of
the
act,
and
so
while
the
language
does
speak
to
it,
you
know
in
terms
of
27
1.2,
that
says
we
can
add
properties
to
the
register
that
have
not
been
designated
but
for
which
a
municipality
feels.
There
is
some
cultural
heritage
value.
J
They
are
two
separate
tools
used
by
staff.
They
are
two
separate
tools
permitted
under
the
act
and
while
it's
easy
to
conflate
that
statement
of
being
of
cultural
heritage,
value
or
interest
and
then
automatically
going
to
the
regulation
for
the
prescriptions
for
designation
staff
really
do
use
a
broad
list
of
characteristics
in
taking
that
snapshot
for
the
process
of
adding
properties
that
are
not
yet
designated.
J
And
you
know,
as
I've
said,
the
act
permits
both
and
there
should
be
an
understanding
that
the
act
permits
both
and
the
difference
in
the
process,
because
I
think
that
misunderstanding,
the
process
is
what
leads
to
this
fear
that
staff
have
taken
a
look
at
the
regulation
and
added
this
as
a
precursor
to
designation
which,
which
we've
heard
from
staff,
does
not
actually
happen.
J
A
So
just
for
clarity,
then
in
broad
strokes,
then
the
registry
is
really
inventory
which
is
utilized
for
tracking
versus
designation,
which
is
really
a
tool
for
for
preservation.
J
That
is
correct,
mr
chair,
okay,
and-
and
so
I
just
it's-
it's
a
it's
not
incorrect,
but
it
is
misleading
to
look
at
that
regulation
and
assume
that
that
is
the
only
criteria
that
is
looked
at
when
preparing
this
resource.
In
terms
of
the
register
for
the
purpose
of
the
report
and
the
310
310
properties
we
have
before
us
today,.
A
So
then,
my
inclination-
and
I
don't
know
what
others
on
the
committee
subcommittee
would
see
here,
but
my
inclination
would
be
for
I
guess,
ensuring
that
the
majority
of
the
properties
are
placed
on
the
registry
minus
205,
katherine
because
of
the
concern
around
procedural
fairness.
A
When
I
hear
concerns
around
procedural
fairness
and
proper
consultation
and
that
that
being
raised,
you
know
I
I
always
take
hiddens
to
that
and
want
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
proper
amount
of
time
where
staff
actually
does
consult
with
the
property
owner.
So
that
that's
just
my
perspective,
I
did
have
one
more
question,
which
also
concerns,
I
suppose,
the
the
precinct,
the
vicinity
of
the
driveway.
A
I
noticed
that
50,
the
driveway
was
not
recommended
for
listing
in
the
register
through
this
report,
and
I
was
just
curious.
Why.
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
question
I
can.
I
can
answer
that
question
about
50
the
driveway,
so
you're
you're,
absolutely
correct.
50
of
the
driveway
was
one
of
the
properties
identified
by
era
as
as
a
as
a
property
to
be
added
to
the
register
and
also
a
potential
candidate
for
designation
under
part
4..
B
It
was
intended
to
be
part
of
this
report.
However.
Over
the
summer,
the
city
received
an
application
for
demolition
with
respect
to
50
of
the
driveway,
so
as
per
the
city's
op
policies
that
provide
the
city
to
give
immediate
attention
to
threatened
resources,
staff
initiated
the
designation
process
for
that
for
that
property.
D
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
I
actually
have
an
inquiry
that
I
wanted
to
list
on
this
subcommittee
meeting
on
50
the
driveway,
so
I
don't
know.
Maybe
this
is
a
good
time
to
to
put
that
out
there,
because
it
helps
to
wrap
up
that
conversation
a
bit.
A
Yes,
I
do
appreciate
that,
and
I
think
we
have-
I
guess,
written
a
copy
of
your
of
your
inquiry
for
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
D
A
I'm
not
seeing
any
more
questions.
Do
any
of
the
members
have
any
more
comments
on
this
item.
A
D
A
Yes,
please
go
ahead.
Vice
chair
quinn,.
K
Thank
you,
councillor,
mckenney.
Thank
you,
chair
king.
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
comment.
I
I'd
like
to
thank
miss
enter
for
clarifying
that
as
clearly
as
she
did
and
supporting
the
staff's
position
on
the
reason
for
the
register
and
its
role
as
a
monitoring
and
tracking
tool,
and
I
think
with
that
understanding
before
us,
I
have
no
objection
in
supporting
the
properties
that
that
have
been
questioned
this
morning.
K
I
will
support
council
brockington's
emotion
regarding
the
property
at
205
catherine
street,
to
buy
a
little
more
time
there
under
the
circumstances.
Obviously
some
sort
of
a
glitch,
but
I
do
support
adding
attend
the
driveway
on
the
register.
K
I
think
it
is
a
very
good
strong
example
of
a
lightly
brutalist
building
in
spirit
and
materials,
and
I
do
know,
for
instance,
for
councillor
brockington
the
there's
a
publication
put
out
by
heritage
ottawa
in
2018
on
the
historic
apartment,
buildings
of
ottawa
and
10.
K
The
driveway
is
included
in
that
book,
so
I
think
it's
probably
maybe
worth
having
a
look
there
and
it's
also
constructed
in
1970
very
much
part
of
that
transition
period
for
that
part
of
center
town
following
you
know,
one
of
the
city's
first
zoning
bylaws
that
encouraged
high-rise
development
in
center
town,
and
it's
part
of
that
history.
K
It's
part
of
that
that
that
period
and
what
evolved
and
what
what
was
developed
before
sort
of
breaks
started
to
be
put
on
it,
because
there
was
such
a
massive
demolition
of
of
houses
in
order
to
enable
that
that
it
that
sort
of
went
off
the
deep
end
in
some
respects.
But
it's
part
of
that
history
of
a
center
town,
and
so
it
I
think
it's
it's
worth
maintaining
on
the
registry,
and
so
I
will
be.
I
will
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendation
and
council
brockington's
motion.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
vice
chair
quinn,
and
I
see
that
member
podeski
also
has
his
hand
raised.
Yes,.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
You
asked
for
comments
and
I
think
that
I
will
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendation
with
councillor
rockington's
amendment
there
for
the
delay
on
205
catherine.
But
I
think
that
this
is
a
moment
where
the
three
of
the
cases,
three
of
the
properties
that
are
subject
to
discussion
today,
that
have
taken
a
certain
amount
of
our
time,
namely
10
driveway,
205,
catherine
and
also
catherine
mckinney,
raised
the
question
of
50
the
driveway.
These
are
all
buildings
which
are
mid-century
modern,
constructed
after
the
second
war
and
also
into
the
60s
and
70s.
C
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
difficulty
with
in
determining
whether
or
not
they
should
be
on
the
register
or
whether
they
conform
to
regulation
0906
is
inhibited
in
our
city
by
the
fact
that
we
have
not
done
a
full
inventory
and
evaluation
of
our
mid-century
modern
portfolio
buildings.
C
But
ottawa
has
never
yet
initiated
this
program,
which
means
that
the
three
properties
that
we
were
talking
about
today
are
kind
of
orphans
inside
of
an
intellectual
and
survey
and
evaluation
vacuum,
and
I
would
suggest
that
the
sooner
we
can
get
this
full
inventory
of
mid-century
modern
buildings
into
our
program,
the
better
we
will
be
in
understanding
them
and
also
being
able
to
assess
whether
they
should
be
designated
or
not.
So
that's
my
comment,
sir
king,
and
I
think
that
I
appreciate
the
chance
to
do
that.
A
Thank
you,
member
podeski,
and
I
do
have
some
some
comments
myself.
Pursuing
the
protection
of
built
heritage
ensures
the
protection
of
buildings
that
represents
a
combination
of
aesthetic,
historical,
cultural
and
and
social
importance.
Consequently,
I
I'm
pleased
to
support
the
addition
of
buildings
to
the
heritage
register,
based
on
the
comprehensive
center
town
heritage
study
presented
to
us
today,
notwithstanding
205
katherine
street,
for
additional
consultation,
as
we
haven't
heard,
I'd
like
to
congratulate
our
our
professional
city
staff
for
their
efforts
concerning
this
study
and
enlisting.
A
As
we
know,
section
27
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
allows
municipalities
to
include
on
the
municipal
register
properties
of
cultural
heritage,
value
that
have
not
been
designated.
This
process,
as
we've
heard,
is
commonly
known
as
listing
listing,
isn't,
is
a
means
to
formally
identify
properties
that
have
cultural
heritage,
value
or
interest
to
the
community.
The
purpose
of
section
27
is
to
address
a
common
problem
faced
in
protecting
heritage
buildings,
that
of
buildings
being
demolished
and
replaced
before
they
can
be
assessed
for
their
heritage
value
through
the
registrar.
A
The
city
ensures
that
listed
buildings
are
not
lost
before
being
identified
or
being
formally
recognized.
In
a
long
heritage
designation
process
as
a
community,
we
should
note
that
the
listing
of
a
property
to
the
registrar
does
not
automatically
lead
to
heritage.
Designation
listing
a
property
on
the
heritage
register
also
does
not
prevent
owners
from
making
repairs,
alterations
or
additions
to
their
properties.
A
What
it
does
ensure
is
that
city
planners
have
60
days
to
assess
a
building
to
determine
if
it
warrants
protection
before
potential
demolition.
This
is
contrasted
with
the
20
days,
a
typically
required,
pursuant
to
the
building
code
act
for
a
decision
to
be
made
on
a
demolition
permit
as
a
tool.
The
registry
allows
city
staff
and
counselors
to
provide
a
period
of
public
notice,
especially
in
scenarios
when
buildings
are
at
risk
of
demolition,
along
with
opportunities
to
promote
knowledge
and
enhance
understanding
of
the
community's
cultural
heritage.
A
A
And
I
believe
that
we
are
seeking
an
amending
motion
to
this
report
concerning
205
catherine.
A
So
I
see
it's
on
the
screen.
I
I
would
invite
counselor
brockington
to
read
the
motion.
A
Thank
you
councillor,
brockington,
is
the
motion
carried
all
right.
Thank
you.
Is
the
report
carried
all
right
all
right?
Thank
you.
This
report
is
scheduled
to
be
presented
to
council
on
october
28th.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
ontario.
Heritage
act
proposed
regulations
pursuant
to
bills
108.,
and
I
do
believe
that
vice
chair
quinn
has
a
a
motion
to
be
added
to
this
report
to
the
agenda.
K
Yes,
I
do
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
king
I'll,
read
the
motion
now
eric,
whereas
the
build
heritage
subcommittee
agenda
16
was
distributed
to
two
members
and
published
to
ottawa.ca
on
october
1st,
and
the
report
for
this
item
was
distributed
and
published
on
october
9th
of
this
year
as
soon
as
it
was
available
and
whereas
the
ministry
of
heritage,
sport,
tourism
and
cultural
industries
on
september,
21st
2020
invited
comments
on
proposed
regulations
under
the
ontario
heritage
act
to
be
submitted
by
november
5.
K
A
O
Good
morning,
mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
apologies
for
the
little
dance
we
were
doing
there
trying
to
get
the
camera
working.
I
do
have
a
brief
set
of
slides
if
it
would
be
helpful
for
the
committee.
O
O
So
the
report
before
the
committee
today
is
a
bit
of
an
overview
on
the
legislative
changes
that
have
come
from
bill
108.
It
was
prepared
by
both
planning
staff
and
legal
staff.
So
I
have
mr
garrett
shrum
is
here
with
us
as
well
to
answer
any
legal
questions
there
might
be
or
provide
any
additional
comments.
O
O
Many
of
the
amendments
for
the
ontario
heritage
act
were
delayed
until
the
associated
regulations
could
be
drafted
after
some
initial
consultation
in
january
2020
in
january
2020.
There
had
not
been
any
movement
by
the
province
until
september.
21St
of
this
year
we
presumed
due
to
kovit
when
the
draft
regulations
were
released.
O
O
So
this
slide
shows
the
heritage,
the
impacts
of
bill
108
on
the
ontario
heritage
act.
So
this
is
already
been
approved
by
the
province,
but
just
as
a
refresher
for
the
committee,
all
appeals
under
the
ontario
heritage
will
now
go
to
the
land,
use
planning
appeals
tribunal,
and
this
includes
appeals
related
to
designations.
So
right
now,
appeals
to
designations
are
forwarded
to
the
conservation
review
board
designations
under
part.
Four
I
should
say,
but
now
the
land
use
planning
appeals
tribunal
will
retain
the
final
say
on
designations.
O
What
we
would
normally
call
alterations
to
remove
a
heritage
attribute
so
similar
to
the
application
that
the
committee
heard
earlier
this
year
regarding
the
removal
of
the
chapel
at
19175
main
street.
These
will
now
follow
a
new
process
and
be
processed
as
applications
for
demolition
of
an
attribute
which
has
a
different
process
associated
with
it.
Under
the
act,
bill
108
gave
the
minister
the
power
to
prescribe
principles
to
guide
decision
making
on
heritage
issues.
O
O
So.
The
regulations
which
were
released
for
comment
on
september
21st
fulfill
a
number
of
outstanding
items
from
bill
108,
which
I
just
reviewed.
The
regulations,
as
I
said,
are
very
technical,
but,
to
give
you
a
big
picture
idea
of
what
the
regulations
do,
they
prescribe
principles
to
guide
decision
making
under
parts
four
and
five
of
the
act.
These
include
languages,
language
that
says
that
decisions
of
council
shall
consider
the
cultural
heritage
value
of
the
property.
O
The
timeline
I
noted
in
the
previous
slide
of
90
days
to
issue
a
notice
of
intention
to
designate
is
further
defined
in
the
regulations
for
properties
where
there
is
an
associated
official
plan.
Amendment,
zoning
by
law,
amendment
or
plan
a
subdivision
application
staff
will
have
to
bring
forward
a
report
to
build
heritage
subcommittee
and
city
council
within
90
days
of
the
notice
of
a
complete
application
under
the
planning
act.
This
is
a
very
short
timeline.
O
The
regulations
do
also
provide
some
exceptions
to
this
90-day
rule,
including
where
the
owner
is
in
agreement
with,
with
the
city's
approach
to
designation,
the
regulations
prescribe
the
contents
of
a
designation
bylaw,
so
this
will
require
an
update
to
our
existing
work
and
also,
we
foresee
some
issues
with
the
land
registry
office,
which
we
hope
will
be
resolved
as
a
result
of
the
provincial
legislation
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
a
new
process
that
must
be
followed
after
the
demolition
or
removal
of
a
building
or
heritage
attribute
on
a
designated
property.
O
So
basically,
this
process
would
require
council
to
reconsider
whether
the
property
retains
its
cultural
heritage
value
after
the
removal
of
an
attribute
next
slide.
Please,
the
regulations
also
prescribe
mandatory
application
requirements
for
applications
under
part
four
of
the
act.
This
requires
an
update
to
the
city's
processes
as
well,
and
the
regulations
prescribe
the
materials
to
be
included
in
appeals
to
lpat
and
provide
transition
measures
for
items
that
commence
prior
to
proclamation
next
slide.
O
Please
so,
in
general,
staff
support
the
goals
of
the
regulations
to
bring
greater
consistency
to
processes
under
the
ontario
heritage
act
across
the
province.
However,
after
discussions
with
heritage
planning,
colleagues
and
other
municipalities,
we
believe
that,
in
order
to
support
the
reality
of
implementation
of
these
regulations
at
the
municipal
level,
there
are
four
key
concerns
that
we've
identified.
O
The
key
issue
is
the
timing
of
the
proposed
proclamation.
The
ministry
is
proposing
january
1st
2021
as
the
implementation
date
for
all
legislative
changes
and
regulations.
O
The
regulation
comment
period
does
not
end
until
november,
the
5th,
so
the
city
will
have
less
than
2
months
to
prepare
for
significant
changes
to
our
work.
Earlier,
consultation
from
the
ministry
had
proposed
an
18-month
phased
approach
to
the
implementation,
given
the
current
pandemic
and
existing
pressures
on
staff
resources.
Implementation
in
two
and
a
half
months
from
now
poses
a
significant
challenge
for
the
heritage
planning
branch
through
the
letter
attached.
O
As
you'll
see
on
pages
six
and
seven
of
the
staff
report,
the
changes
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
work
of
our
of
of
the
heritage
planning
branch.
The
second
issue
we've
identified
is
the
use
the
language
used
in
the
principles
for
decision
making.
Staff
are
concerned
about
the
vagueness
of
the
proposed
language
conflicts
with
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
the
delayed
release
of
the
updated
ontario
heritage
toolkit
which
you
may
be
familiar
with.
O
This
is
an
associated
document
that
provides
additional
interpretation
and
guidance
for
municipalities
in
undertaking
designation,
listing
and
alterations
under
the
ontario
heritage
act.
The
third
item
is
the
proposed
process
for
the
demolition
or
removal
of
buildings
or
heritage
attributes.
O
Believe
this
process
is
too
onerous
as
it
relates
to
both
minor
alterations
to
remove
heritage
attributes
such
as
windows
or
doors,
and
should
be
better
detailed
to
reflect
only
the
demolition
or
removal
of
a
building
or
structure
that
has
cultural
heritage
value
according
to
the
bylaws.
So
the
way
that
this
is
currently
written
staff
would
be
required
to
follow
this
process
if
somebody
wanted
to
remove
a
modern,
1995
garage
that
just
happens
to
be
located
on
a
designated
property.
O
Finally,
as
noted,
the
regulation
includes
prescribed
events
for
the
issuance
of
a
notice
of
intention
to
designate
so
those
prescribed
events
are
the
notice
of
a
complete
application
under
the
planning.
Act
and
staff
believes
that
these
that
the
pers,
the
proposed
prescribed
event,
is
too
early
in
the
process
to
allow
appropriate
time
to
consider
a
property
for
designation.
O
So
these
issues
are
detailed
in
the
letter
attached
as
document
one
and
the
chart
attached
as
document
two
provides
more
detailed
comments
on
several
other
issues.
We
are
proposing
that
both
of
these
documents
be
forwarded
to
the
ministry
for
their
consideration,
and
then
I
just
have
one
last
slide
if
you
could
go
to
the
next
side,
please
thank
you.
O
So
I've
talked
a
little
bit
about
what
the
changes
are,
and
I've
alluded
to
the
fact
that
these
will
have
significant
impacts
on
our
work,
but
just
to
give
the
committee
an
idea
of
how
how
this
will
truly
impact
us
as
we
move
forward.
O
This
slide
provides
an
overview
of
some
of
the
impacts
on
the
heritage
planning
branch.
As
a
result
of
both
the
legislative
and
regulation
changes
to
the
ontario
heritage
act,
the
new
legislation
requires
that
the
city
update
and
create
several
new
procedures
and
tools
to
assist
in
the
conservation
of
heritage
resources.
O
These
are
detailed
at
the
top
of
page.
Six
of
the
staff
report,
but
generally
include
a
new
system
for
screening
all
planning
applications
updates
to
the
cultural
heritage,
impact
statement,
terms
of
reference,
new
processes
and
procedures
for
listing,
removing
and
processing
objections
to
properties
on
the
register,
a
new
tracking
system
for
application,
timelines,
new
designation
procedures
and
new
procedures
for
holding
and
documenting
public
meetings.
O
In
addition
to
the
internal
process
updates,
the
broader
impacts
of
the
legislation
and
regulation
are
also
noted
in
terms
of
timing.
If
the
ministry
does
not
take
the
city's
recommendation
to
delay
implementation,
there
will
be
impacts
on
the
city's
heritage
heritage
action
plan,
including
several
priority
projects
such
as
the
central
town
heritage
study
that
you've
heard
about
today.
O
The
lower
town
of
byrd,
market,
hcd
updates
staff
are
concerned
that,
as
a
result
of
the
additional
research
and
administrative
requirements,
it
will
be
difficult
to
meet
statutory
deadlines
and
there
will
be
impediments
to
other
priority
projects
for
the
branch.
This
may
result
in
the
loss
of
significant
build
heritage
resources.
O
Once
the
ministry
confirms
the
implementation
schedule,
staff
will
bring
forward
the
necessary
processes
for
approval
and
any
resourcing
requests
in
future
budgets
and
or
reports.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
the
committee
might
have,
and
I'd
also
like
to
offer
the
opportunity
for
my
colleague
mr
trump
from
legal,
to
add
anything
that
perhaps
I
missed.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
O
A
You-
and
I
don't
know
if
garrett
has
anything
else
to
add
before
we
ask
nothing
to
add
to
mr
thanks
very
much.
Thank
you.
Well,
thank
you
for
that.
Does
okay.
The
subcommittee
have
any
other
questions
for
staff
on
this
on
this
item,
and
I
see
that
vice
chair
quinn
has
raised
her
hand.
K
Thank
you,
chair
king.
Just
a
clarification
in
your
report.
Miss
collins.
You
mentioned
that
staff
is
recommending
a
delay
from
the
regulations
coming
into
effect
in
january
2021.
A
Were
there
any
other
questions
I
did
have
just
one
quick
question.
I
know
that
you
know
this
is
new
legislation
and
we
don't
have
you
know
much
more
data
around
it,
but
I'm
just
curious
about
the
the
staffing
requirements.
You've
noted
that
heritage
would
require
more
staff
to
undertake
this
work.
Is
there
enough
information
from
the
province
to
determine
what
those
staffing
requirements
would
be.
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
At
this
time.
I
don't
think
we
have
that
information.
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
see
what
the
implementation
schedule
is
and
then
sort
of
feel
out
how
those
changes
impact
us.
So
I
would
imagine
that
it
would
be
next
year
before
we
would
know
that.
A
Excellent,
thank
you
and,
and
I
do
see
that
member
padelski
has
a
question
as
well.
C
O
We
recently
coordinated
a
session
with
colleagues
from
about
10
other
municipalities
around
the
province,
including
some
of
the
other
big
cities,
and
everybody
is
focused
on
this
timeline
as
being
a
challenge,
so
we
are
seeking
it
as
a
blanket
exception,
not
not
that
it
just
be
ottawa,
because
I
think
every
municipality
in
the
province
is
facing
similar
issues
regarding
kovid
and
staffing
and
all
that
sort
of
thing,
and
this
short
implementation
timeline,
because
although
we've
known
that
the
legislation
has
you
know,
is
coming
forward
and
these
changes
are
coming,
we
couldn't
really
do
any
of
the
work
to
update
our
processes
until
we
knew
what
the
regulations
were
going
to
say
and-
and
we
just
found
that
out
in
september.
O
A
And
apologies
on
the
on
the
order.
I
skipped
this
on
the
agenda.
I
do
see
that
we
had
david
fleming
from
heritage
ottawa
registered
to
potentially
speak
on
this
item,
so
I
just
wanted
to
check
to
see
if
mr
fleming
still
wanted
to
provide
a
submission.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
yeah.
No,
we
support
this
100
percent,
we're
just
getting
into
looking
through
these
regulations.
Now
our
bit
have
some
concerns
that
we
hope
we
will
be
able
to
raise
with
city
staff
as
the
as
the
implementation
goes
on,
certainly
to
do
that
between
now
and
january,
I
think
is
going
to
be
a
real
challenge.
We
100
support
the
the
letter
from
the
mayor.
Thank
you.
A
A
And
seeing
no
other
comments
is
report
carried
all
right.
This
report
will
be
presented
to
council
on
october
28
2020.
A
A
And
I
see
that
thank.
J
J
D
I'm
on
a
second
zoom
call.
Sorry,
yes,
as
I
said,
as
I
stated
earlier,
this
is
in
reference
to
50
the
driveway,
which
was
brought
up
earlier,
and
a
special
meeting
of
build
heritage
subcommittee
was
called
on
august
24th
2020
for
the
consideration
of
the
issuance
of
a
notice
of
intention
to
designate
50
the
driveway.
The
meeting
was
cancelled
as
staff
and
the
property
owner
initiated
discussions
on
the
future
of
the
property.
D
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
councillor,
mckinney,
for
that
for
that
inquiry.
So
that's
in
receipt
for
for
staff
to
follow
other
business
planning,
circulation,
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
and
bylaw
amendment
proposal
summary
for
100
argyle
avenue
has
been.
A
My
sorry,
my
internet
had
cut
out
there
for
a
little
bit.
Counselor
brockington
for
others.
A
Well,
I'll
I'll
go
to
that
and
then
I'll
I'll
jump
back
so
there
there
are
two
planning
circulations
on
the
agenda
which
were
distributed
to
members
prior
to
the
meeting.
Members
of
the
public
had
the
opportunity
to
comment
through
a
devops
on
ottawa,
dot,
ca
and
ontario
heritage
act.
Ontario
heritage
application
will
be
required
for
the
project
at
100
argyle
avenue
and
would
be
considered
here
at
subcommittee.
A
An
application
has
not
been
submitted,
but
but
is
a
requirement
for
this
project
for
four
range
roads
staff
will
consider
the
related
ontario
heritage
act,
application
under
delegated
authority,
and
that
is
it,
but
I
will
jump
back
to
other
business
for
councillor
brockington.
I
Thanks
jerry,
I
wasn't
sure
whether
this
is
an
a
public
inquiry
or
other
business,
and
that
is
could
staff.
Please
issue
a
memo
to
committee
members
outlining
their
proposed
2021
work
plan,
I'm
very
interested
to
know
what,
in
particular,
what
other
communities
are
going
to
be
under
review
for
the
heritage
register.
The
there's
been
some
talk
about
a
community
in
my
ward,
and
so
I'm
just
interested
if
they
could
very
briefly
outline
their
plans
for
2021.
O
Sorry,
yes,
that's
no
problem,
mr
chair.
We
can
provide
that.
A
Excellent
and
councillor
brockington,
would
you
like
that,
in
the
form
of
a
formal
direction.
A
Well,
I
think
that
a
formal
direction
there
is
is
appropriate
so
that
that
information
can
come
back
to
a
subcommittee.
I
do
see
that
member
podeski
has
his
hand
up.
C
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
This
is
just
a
follow-up
on
our
discussion
about
the
the
centertown
surveyed
analysis
heritage
program.
Could
we
also
ask
staff
to
in
a
memo
of
some
kind,
just
report
back
on
whether
or
not
a
an
inventory
and
assessment
of
mid-century
modern
buildings
in
ottawa
is
actually
on
the
work
plan,
or
can
it
be
on
the
work
plan
and,
if
so
when?
C
Because
it's
an
important
tool
that
will
be
needed
in
order
to
be
able
to
assess
the
buildings
that
might
be
coming
forward
for
designation,
and
I
think
that
it's
something
that
has
been
raised
before
by
the
heritage
community
over
the
last
decade,
and
I
would
like
to
know
whether
or
not
it
has
made
its
way
onto
work
plan
and,
if
so,
when.
Thank
you
very
much.
O
Mr
chair,
I
can
provide
mr
padalski
with
an
answer
now.
Perhaps
we
can
provide
an
update
later,
but
I
guess
the
short
answer
is
that
a
specific
project
related
to
modern,
a
modern
inventory
is
not
currently
on
the
work
plan.
It
is
a
project
that
we
believe
we
should
undertake
in
the
future,
but
we
see
it
as
part
of
a
sort
of
a
grouping
of
larger
projects
where
the
register
continues
to
evolve
over
time.
O
So
we
see
doing
sort
of
an
inventory
of
cultural
landscapes,
looking
at
sort
of
properties
that
maybe
have
better
represent
the
diversity
of
our
community,
so
maybe
not
architecturally
that
interesting,
but
have
important
architect
or
historical
value
or
associative
value
to
different
communities,
and
then
I
think
other
projects
such
as
looking
at
a
broader
modernist,
inventory
and
and
perhaps
other
sort
of
rural
inventories.
That
kind
of
thing
are
on
our
plans
for
the
future
as
their
heritage
register
evolves.
O
C
C
I
think
that,
in
dealing
with
the
heritage
of
the
core
of
the
city,
particularly
the
huge
portfolio
of
buildings
built,
you
know,
after
the
second
world
war,
we
should
be
really
taking
the
lead
of
those
other
cities
that
have
made
an
effort
to
to
do
this
some
time
ago,
and
I
think
that
we're
behind
schedule
on
this
to
our
disadvantage,
and
so
I
think
that
this
should
be
an
agenda
item
in
the
future
this
coming
year.
But
for
the
moment
I
appreciate
your
your
report
on
that.
Thank
you.
Leslie.
A
And
thank
you,
member
polioski
for
that
question,
and
once
again,
I
think
we'll
also
take
that
as
a
formal
direction
to
staff
to
to
provide
a
response
to
both
the
member
and
subcommittee.
Is
there
any
other
business
for
for
this
meeting.
A
Seeing
none
we
move
towards
adjournment
on
adjournment
is
demotion
carried
carried.
Thank
you
we're
adjourned.
Thank
you
everyone.
So
our
next
regular
meeting
is
scheduled
for
friday
november
13
2020.
have
a
great
day
thanks
chair.