►
From YouTube: Built Heritage Sub-Committee - Friday, November 13, 2020
Description
Built Heritage Sub-Committee meeting of Friday, November 13, 2020 - meeting stream.
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
A
A
Please
note
that
those
who
do
not
need
to
participate
in
the
meeting
can
also
watch
it
on
the
live
stream
on
the
ottawa
city
council,
youtube
channel
a
reminder
to
participants
to
please
keep
your
microphones
muted.
Until
I
call
on
you
to
speak,
I
will
provide
each
committee,
member
with
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
comment
on
each
item
in
the
order
in
which
they
raised
their
hand
in
zoom
committee.
A
Members
will
be
called
on
first,
followed
by
any
other
members
of
council
who
have
joined
the
meeting
for
panelists
the
raise
hand
option
is
found
at
the
bottom
of
the
participants
list
for
attendees.
You
will
find
the
raise
hand
button
at
the
bottom
of
your
zoom
window
and
for
those
calling
in
press
star
9.
To
raise
your
hand,
the
committee
coordinator
and
I
will
be
watching
for
those
cues,
the
usual
five-minute
speaking
limit
will
apply.
A
Members
are
also
reminded
to
submit
any
motions,
visual
supports
or
declaration
of
interest
in
writing
to
the
coordinator
at
their
earliest
convenience.
Although
the
deadlines
have
passed
for
residents
to
register
to
speak
and
provide
written
submissions
to
the
subcommittee,
residents
may
still
provide
written
submissions
to
planning
committee
and
or
council.
A
D
A
Seeing
none
are
the
minutes
for
the
meeting
of
october
13th
2020,
confirmed,
confirmed,
confirmed.
Thank
you
communications.
In
terms
of
communications,
we
have
received
a
status
update
from
staff
concerning
50
the
driveway
in
response
to
counselor
mckinney's
inquiry.
The
response
from
staff
has
been
added
to
the
record.
A
The
next
item
is
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development,
right-of-way
heritage
and
urban
design
services,
one
application
for
demolition
and
new
construction
at
three
at
390-394
bank
street,
a
property
located
in
the
centertown
heritage
conservation
district
designated
under
part
5
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
can
staff.
Please
provide
an
overview
of
this
report.
E
E
E
The
proposed
development
includes
the
demolition
and
the
demolition
of
the
existing
buildings
on
the
lot.
These
buildings
are
considered
non-contributing
buildings
in
the
hcd
and
they
are
likely
constructed
between
1950
and
1970
staff,
have
no
objection
to
their
demolition,
as
they
have
very
little
cultural
heritage
value
and
do
not
contribute
to
the
character
of
center
town
next
slide.
E
Following
the
demolition
of
the
existing
structures,
the
applicant
intends
to
construct
a
new
nine-story
mixed-use
building
in
their
place
with
residential
units
on
the
upper
floors
and
commercials
and
retail
space
on
the
ground
floor.
Two
levels
of
underground
parking
are
also
accessed
off
of
the
rear
lane.
E
E
E
E
E
So,
in
order
to
facilitate
this
proposal,
zoning
bila
application
is
required
for
relief
from
traditional
main
street
zone
provisions,
as
well
as
the
heritage.
Overlay
provisions
are
also
required
related
to
the
accommodation
of
a
pedestrian
easement
on
bank
street
and
to
facilitate
a
commercial
patio.
E
E
So
staff
have
reviewed
the
application
for
new
construction
using
the
centertown
hcd
guidelines,
in
particular
those
for
commercial
and
mixed-use
infill,
which
has
specific
guidelines
for
the
bank
street
corridor.
The
purpose
of
the
city
guidelines
is
to
encourage
the
maintenance
of
the
main
street
character
on
bank
street,
as
it
runs
through
the
core
of
the
hcd.
E
The
guidelines
seek
to
ensure
that
new
development
respects
the
quality
of
the
street
in
terms
of
height,
massing
setbacks
and
architectural
treatment
of
the
facades
in
general.
The
project
meets
these
guidelines
as
it
as
outlining
the
staff
report
in
terms
of
being
distinguishable
in
contemporary
design,
yet
also
sympathetic
to
the
character
of
the
area
in
terms
of
the
primary
red
brick
cladding,
the
form
of
brick
balconies.
E
I'd
like
to
spend
just
a
couple
of
minutes
to
go
through
some
of
the
rationale
for
the
first
two
conditions,
I'll
try
to
try
to
be
brief.
We
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
the
proposed
building
at
nine
stories
is
not
in
keeping
with
the
character
general
character
of
the
district
or
with
the
guidelines
typically
being
two
to
four
stories
in
height,
as
you
can
see
in
the
images
on
the
right.
E
So
the
key
consideration
for
this
proposal
was
to
ensure
potential
impacts
of
this
height
are
mitigated
and
that
the
historic
low-rise
character
bank
is
respected
and
reflected
in
the
design.
So,
although
the
applicant
has
made
efforts
to
reflect
the
character
in
the
proposal
in
terms
of
setbacks
of
the
north
and
south
corners,
the
brick
detail
and
the
form
of
the
balconies
which
the
architect
has
indicated,
are
inspired
by
layers
of
brick
recoursing,
these
references
to
that
low-rise
character
are
very
subtle.
E
So
staff
have
recommended
a
condition
requiring
the
applicant
to
introduce
an
additional
design
element
that
more
noticeably
reflects
that
lower
scale.
Turn
of
the
century
character
of
the
hdd
in
terms
of
best.
Achieving
this
staff
recommend
that
a
step
back
along
the
bank
street
facade
be
introduced
at
or
below
the
fourth
floor,
in
order
to
reference
that
historic
character,
particularly
the
buildings
across
the
street
next
slide.
E
For
instance,
it
might
be
a
string
course
or
a
brick
detail
that
could
take
cues
from
surrounding
historic
buildings
such
as
those
in
the
top
left
image
or
potentially,
to
extend
the
proposed
brick
screening
detail
above
the
square-shaped
balconies.
As
a
way
of
referencing,
some
of
the
other
brick
details
along
bank
street,
the
applicant
could
also
explore
the
introduction
of
a
lighting
plan
that
could
highlight
the
lower
floors
in
the
evening
and
I've
included
this
image.
Obviously
in
the
top
right.
E
Although
the
material
palette
is
generally
sensitive
to
the
center
centertown
character,
another
key
consideration
for
this
proposal
was
to
ensure
that
the
materials,
and
particularly
those
at
the
street
level,
were
highly
reflective
of
the
character
of
the
area.
So
the
proposal
includes
the
use
of
concrete
for
the
columns
on
the
ground
floor
on
the
north
facade
of
the
building,
however,
exposed
concrete
evokes
a
very
industrial
character
which
is
unrelated
to
centre
town.
E
Staff
have
reviewed
the
proposal
and
determined
it
meets
parks,
canada,
standards
and
guidelines.
Existing
buildings
are
of
little
cultural
heritage
value
and
the
removal
will
not
affect
the
over
overall
cultural
heritage.
Value
of
the
hcd
by
providing
ground
floor,
commercial
and
and
upper
floor
residential
units.
The
new
construction
meets,
maintains
the
associative
cultural
heritage.
Value
of
the
centertown
hce
staff
are
also
satisfied
that
the
proposal
meets
the
center
town's
secondary
plan
policies
and
cdp
guidelines.
E
E
E
A
Thank
you
mackenzie
for
that
excellent
presentation.
I
do
believe
that
we
did
receive
correspondence
that
was
submitted
to
the
clerk's
office
from
heritage
ottawa
and
we
do
have
a
number
of
registered
speakers
today.
We
do
have
jamie
posen
and
miguel
chombley
from
410
who
will
provide
a
visual
presentation
and
are
asking
for
more
than
five
minutes
jointly
possible
to
provide
that
presentation,
and
I
am
happy
to
provide
that
flexibility.
So
I
would
invite
410
to
begin
their
their
presentation.
F
Great
thank
you,
mr
chair,
just
wanna
make
sure
everyone
can
hear
me
first,
okay,
fantastic!
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
the
extra
additional
time.
Beyond
the
five
minutes.
We
do
have
three
members
of
the
team
who
will
be
part
of
this
presentation.
Although
we
don't
expect
it
will
be
strung
into
three
sets
of
five
minutes
totally
fifteen.
I
think
I
suspect
it'll
be
a
bit
less
than
that.
But
I'll
start
by
introducing
myself.
F
My
name
is
jamie
posen,
I'm
a
senior
planner
with
foten
consultants
and
with
me
here
from
the
team
I
know
miguel's
name
was
mentioned.
He
wasn't
able
to
make
it,
but
from
the
team
we
also
have
carl
bray
from
bray
heritage
who
provide
prepared
the
chips,
and
we
also
have
two
members
from
raw
architects,
roland
and
kirsten
who
designed
the
building
so
they're
quite
prepared
to
speak
to
design
elements
of
the
building
as
well.
F
So
the
developer
for
this
project
is
urban
capital.
We've
we
at
foten
have
been
working
with
them
for
several
years
on
on
this
project.
It's
taken
some
time
to
be
refined
to
the
point
where
everyone
was.
You
know
happy
with
the
design
to
bring
it
forward,
and
certainly
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussions
with
both
heritage
and
planning
staff
and
as
well
as
a
couple
of
visits
to
the
edrp
and
the
response
of
the
udrp
was
overwhelmingly
positive.
We
I
personally
have
have
not
experienced
such
a
positive
feedback
at
the
udrp.
F
Although
there
were
a
couple
of
suggestions,
one
of
the
suggestions
actually
is
reflected
in
the
image
you
see
before
you
in
the
presentation
and
roland.
I
think
we'll
get
into
a
little
more
detail
about
it.
But
essentially
the
suggestion
was
the
upper
brick
work
on
the
top
two
floors
of
the
brick
work
be
brought
southward
a
little
bit
to
just
increase
that
the
step
back
treatment
at
the
corner
of
james
street.
F
So
with
this,
with
this
change
we've,
we
as
a
team
have
arrived
at
this.
This
design
that
everyone's
very
happy
with
and
very
committed
to
amongst
the
team,
we've
had
several
discussions
with
staff
on
you
know
detailing
why
we
feel
that
way
and
the
presentation
that
that
will
proceed
right
after
I
finish
speaking
here,
I
think,
will
detail
some
of
those
elements
and
and
where
the
thought
process
that
went
into
them,
both
from
an
urban
design
standpoint
and
from
a
heritage
standpoint.
F
F
We
feel
that
that
would
really
compromise
the
integrity
and
the
spirit
of
the
architecture
of
the
building.
And,
of
course
I
can
let
roland
speak
to
that
in
more
detail.
But
we
would
be
seeking
from
the
committee
a
request
to
have
that
one
condition
removed,
but
the
other
three
are
fine
and
we,
as
a
team,
are
happy
to
work
with
staff,
particularly
on
the
first
condition
on
possible
design
approaches
going
forward
into
the
site
plane
control
stage.
Now
I
seem
to
have
lost
the
presentation
here.
Was
that
deliberate
or.
F
F
This
is
an
image
that
we
did
prepare
for
a
meeting
with
staff
and
shared
it
with
them,
but
basically
to
give
an
impression
of
that.
How
that
variety
will
continue.
We
completely
anticipate
it
will
continue
into
the
future
and
it
will
not
necessarily
be
a
uniform
treatment
of
built
form
of
character
of
architectural
design
by
any
stretch
along
this
segment
of
bank
street.
F
So
I
think
that's
everything
from
me.
I
guess
yeah
just
to
conclude
by
by
saying
we
have
had
a
lot
of
discussions
with
staff
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
information
was
brought
out
during
the
staff
presentation.
In
terms
of
you
know.
Overall,
I
think
all
are
on
the
same
page
that
this
is
you
know
an
appropriate
treatment
for
bank
street
and
for
the
heritage
context,
with
the
exception
of
the
second
condition
that
I
mentioned
about
the
brickwork
on
the
columns
in
the
rear.
F
In
this
question
about
the
step
back,
we
believe
that
the
the
current
design
with
the
step
back
in
the
location
where
it
is
is,
is
the
right
approach,
and
it's
certainly
not
going
to
compromise
any
of
the
heritage
condition
along
the
street.
Of
course,
carl
and
roland
can
detail
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
carl.
G
G
The
next
thing,
I'd
like
to
say,
is
what
hasn't
changed
so
up
and
down
bank
street.
You
have
consistent
mixed
use,
you
have
residential
and
you
have
commercial,
you
have
buildings
built
to
the
street
line,
so
that
is
something
that
is
a
continuity
from
the
evolution
from
the
origins
really
of
this
neighborhood.
G
G
2B
does
deal
with
columns
and
one
thing
about
traditional
buildings
from
the
victorian
era
and
before
anything,
that's
really
classically
informed
columns
tend
to
be
round
and
certainly
in
a
corner
location
for
practical
purposes.
Squared
corners
tend
to
get
bumped
off,
and
the
plasters
that
were
shown
in
the
presentation
from
the
from
the
city
are,
of
course,
physically
attached
to
the
building
and
they're
on
the
commercial
side,
not
on
the
back
side.
G
So
it's
just
something
to
consider
when
you're
looking
at
the
essentially
the
residential
or
the
or
the
back
corner
of
the
new
building.
So
in
practical
terms,
what
would
make
sense
in
terms
of
an
actual
column,
shape
and
materiality
so
again.
In
summary,
I
feel
that
the
the
new
construction
meets
the
the
intent
and
the
guidelines
of
the
heritage
conservation
district
study.
G
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Eric
I'm
hoping
everyone
can
hear
me.
It's
rolling,
drum,
coltoff
raw
design,
architects
I'll
be
very
then
I
think
staff
and
jamie
and
carl
have
done
a
very
good
job
of
introducing
to
the
panel
the
design
of
the
building.
If
we
go
to
a
couple
of
slides
forward
eric,
so
this
this
one,
the
point
we're
trying
to
make
with
this
image
is
to
talk
about
bank
street
is
very
being
very
heterogeneous.
There
is
a
number
of
different
heights
along
the
street.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
And
then
this
is
the
corner.
Where
we're
talking
about
the
the
request
by
staff
for
brick
on
the
columns,
these
columns
can
not
be
in
the
same
plane
as
the
brick
above.
We
have
a
turning
movement
for
a
truck
that
we
need
to
accommodate
here.
We
also
think
that
this
is
sort
of
a
classic
maneuver,
rather
than
having
say
a
canopy
projecting
out
to
announce
the
residential
entry,
which
is
what
you're
looking
at
right
here.
H
We
have
actually
cut
into
the
building
to
create,
to
create
some
weather
protection
for
people
coming
in
the
front
door
of
the
building
and
to
basically
subtly
announce
that
this
is
the
front
door
and
the
entry
to
the
building
and
framing
that
we
think
with
just
a
simple,
concrete
column
is
the
way
to
do
it
again.
The
emphasis
here
is
having
a
quiet
design
to
the
building,
very
hopefully,
a
very
handsome
and
elegant
addition
to
bank
street,
but
not
not
something
that's
going
to
shut
out
loud.
H
It's
we
have
used
a
traditional
brick
color
to
emphasize
that
and
with
our
two
staff's
requests
to
further
study
that
sort
of
four
or
five
story
timeline.
We're
happy
to
do
that
within
the
language
of
the
building
that
you're
seeing
here.
So
things
like
a
very
subtle
brick,
coursing
lighting
features
to
emphasize
various
parts,
we're
entirely
happy
to
look
at
that
and
resolve
that
with
staff
going
forward.
Thank.
A
J
The
presentation's
very
clear
I
understand
the
architectural
aesthetic,
the
question
that
I
have
for
the
proponent
and
maybe
jeremy
posen
could
answer
this,
and
that
is
what
is
the
rezoning
application
in
terms
of
height
because
it's
not
in
the
staff
report.
It
just
mentions
that
there
is
a
going
to
be
a
request
for
additional
height,
but
the
members,
as
far
as
I
can
see,
don't
know
what
that
is.
Would
you
mind
telling
us
that.
F
Absolutely
thank
you
and
through
the
chair
effectively,
the
rezoning
that
will
be
coming
forward
to
planning
committee,
along
with
whatever
recommendation
comes
out
of
build
heritage
today,
will
seek
among
a
couple
of
other
things
rezoning
in
height
that
would
effectively
implement
the
policy
framework.
That's
already
there
in
the
secondary
plan,
so
the
secondary
plan
already
calls
it
being
a
traditional
main
street
designation.
F
All
along
bank
street,
basically
bottom
to
top
up
to
the
core
area,
allows
for
nine
stories
and
that's
exactly
what
is
proposed
here
is
nine
stories,
and
so
the
rezoning
application
that
incorporates
the
request
for
nine
stories
is
is
increasing.
You
know,
I
don't
have
the
numbers
in
front
of
me.
I
wanna
say
it
was,
I
think,
around
20
meters
and
then
the
request
would
be
for
something
like
30
31.
F
J
Thank
you
and
jerking.
I
have
a
second
question
if
I
might
in
looking
at
the
staff
report
the
recommendation,
I
think
it's
to
a
that
has
to
do
with
the
whole
question,
that
in
the
heritage,
conservation
district
guidelines
and
of
course,
recommends
a
two
to
four
story:
height
maximum,
and
then
this
is
in
conflict
with
existing
zoning
and
in
conflict
with
the
secondary
official
plan.
J
The
way
in
which
there
can
be
a
significant
gesture
to
this
recommendation
would
be
to
have
a
quite
a
distinct
setback
at
the
fourth
floor
along
bank
street,
and
I'm
sure
that
you
and
staff
had
long
conversations
about
that.
That's
quite
understandable
because
it
is
a
device
that
is
successfully
used
in
many
cities
to
to
recognize
the
you
know,
the
inheritance
conservation
district
guideline
of
establishing
a
human
scale
presence
at
that
level.
J
I
see
that
in
the
staff
report,
it
is
not
specifically
saying
approve
the
project,
but
introduce
a
setback
at
that
level
to
looking
at
some
more
subtle
ways
of
establishing
that
line,
would
you
be
prepared
to
introduce
a
significant
setback
at
the
fourth
level
as
part
of
it?
If
the
committee
really
asked
for
that.
F
I
think,
on
balance,
the
feeling
was,
first
of
all
that
to
incorporate-
and
actually
there
were
some
you
know-
experimental
drawings
prepared
for
for
this
reason,
to
show
how
a
setback
at
a
lower
level
would
actually
really
compromise
the
overall
design,
aesthetic
and
direction.
That
is
part
of
the
overall
vision.
I
guess
I
want
to
emphasize
just
as
a
in
passing
that
having
worked
with
many
many
developers
of
these
types
of
projects
over
the
years,
I
can
tell
you
that
the
commitment
to
this
design
is
is
purely
based
on
the
design.
There's.
F
No,
you
know
financial
incentive
behind
wanting
to
keep
a
little
bit
of
extra
floor
space
or
anything
like
that.
This
is
purely
based
on
the
integrity
of
the
design
having
everything
of
a
piece
and
not
and
not
compromising
that,
and
I'm
sure
rowling
can
speak
to
that
in
more
detail,
but
suffice
it
to
say
that
we
we
do
feel
that
first
of
all,
it's
an
appropriate
design
response.
F
Second,
even
from
a
heritage
standpoint
that
the
design
moves
that
have
been
made
on
the
north
and
the
south
and
still
having
that
step
back
up
on
the
top
stories
is
adequate
and
certainly
does
not
compromise
the
overall
heritage
character.
Of
course,
that's
more
carl's
expertise,
and
I
can
let
him
speak
to
that.
So
maybe
I'll
turn
it
to
maybe,
let's
start
with
carl
first
and
then
we
can
go
to
roland
after
that.
If
that's
okay
with
the
chair.
G
There-
I
am
yes
through
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
there
were
long
discussions
about
this,
and,
and
mr
podolsky
is
absolutely
right.
Quite
a
standard
approach
would
be
to
have
some
kind
of
differentiation
at
four
stories
in
the
guidelines.
Again,
I
would
refer
back
to
the
context
in
which
the
guidelines
were
prepared.
G
Things
have
changed
since
then,
also
in
terms
of
the
overall
context,
and-
and
you
saw
this
in
one
of
the
elevations-
that
roland
showed
it's
kind
of
a
hodgepodge
up
and
down
bank
street
in
terms
of
heights.
You
have
vacant
lots
that
kind
of
things
really
the
the
four-story
buildings
are
further
to
the
south
and
they're
re,
there's
a
small
grouping
of
them,
so
there
isn't
really
a
consistent
street
wall
and
the
other
thing
about
the
notion
of
street
wall.
G
So
the
pedestrian
feels
that
they're
kind
of
in
a
canyon-
and
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that
you
can
do
to
respond
to
that
well
and
one
of
them
is
setting
back
the
ground
floor
which
has
been
done
here.
The
other
is
to
make
the
the
facade
more
porous
and
I'll
leave
roland
to
discuss
that
in
more
detail.
G
But
with
this
the
setbacks
in
the
balconies
and
with
the
kind
of
patterned
approach
of
the
brickwork,
you
get
a
much
more
intricate
facade
here
up
up
the
face
of
it
than
you
might
otherwise
have
say,
with
a
commercial
building
where
it's
just
a
sheer
face.
So
those
are
some
of
the
subtleties
again
I'll
I'll
leave
it
to
roland
to
describe
things
in
more
detail.
But
that's
my
read
in
terms
of
what
fits
within
this
urban
context
within
the
hcd.
H
I
can't
I
can't
really
add
much
more
to
what
carl
and
jamie
just
said.
I
think
they
described
it
quite
adequately
in
in
looking
at
bank
street.
If
you
look
at
the
second
slide
in
the
slide
deck,
you
can
see
that
it's
a
very
heterogeneous
context
that
we're
going
into
it's,
not
not
a
consistent,
four-story
datum
that
one
would
look
at.
H
So
we
wanted
a
building
that
that
had
a
more
that
could
be
read
in
different
ways
as
one
went
up
and
down
the
street
that
made
a
nod
to
like
a
four
story:
data-
maybe
a
five-story
datum
that,
as
carl
said,
it
has
a
very
permeable
front.
Facade
you've
got
balconies
there.
You
also
have
the
the
brick
scrim.
H
You've
got
a
subtle
pattern
of
different
materials
that
are
working
to
create
an
an
interesting
and
facade
to
the
building,
while
yet
not
having
a
very
prominent
or
a
distinct
sort
of
line
of
at
four
stories
or
or
even
five
or
six
stories.
We
wanted
to
to
vary
as
one
went
along
the
streetscape
and
we
think
that
that's
a
good
way
to
contribute
to
this
context.
H
We
do
a
lot
of
midwives
buildings,
principally
in
toronto,
but
also
across
the
country,
and
actually
this
is
something
that
we're
always
struggling
with.
We
we
do
want
to
avoid
the
traditional
wedding
cake
that
one
ends
up
with.
If
you
just
say
you
gotta
have
a
step
four
stories
and
you
gotta
comply
with
this
angular
plane,
there's
a
real
risk
to
that
that
you
take
a
lot
of
flavor
out
of
your
city
by
insisting
on
this
consistency.
C
C
How
will
you
evaluate
whether
that
meets
this
condition,
because
when
we're
dealing
with
subtle,
subtle
design
elements,
it
can
be
very
difficult
to
determine
if
okay,
yes,
that
achieves
what
we're
looking
for-
and
I
think
barry
may
have
been
alluding
to
that
with
the
device
of
an
actual
physical
setback,
which
can
be
more
obvious
as
a
as
a
baseline
to
measure
whether
this
has
spoken
to
the
that
datum
line,
as
as
you
were
talking
about.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
more
a
question
for
staff
mr
chair,
but.
C
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
architect
for
explaining
the
design
elements
and
that
that
clarified
a
few
things
for
me.
I
tend
to
agree
that
cladding
those
columns
in
brick
doesn't
really
add
to
the
design
or
add
to
the
heritage
character.
You
might
consider
cladding
it
in
the
the
metal
panel,
like
the
dark
metal
panel,
that
you're
using
elsewhere
in
the
building
just
to
help
those
columns,
maybe
recede
into
that
that
corner
that
might
achieve
a
better
effect
and
sort
of
speak
a
little
bit
more
to.
C
A
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
I
also
overall,
I'm
happy
with
the
with
the
design
of
the
building
and
the
building
itself.
I
think
that
you
know
the
obviously
the
use
of
red
brick
is
is
important
and
you
know
the
different
design
elements
that
went
into
went
into
this.
You
know
important
infill.
I
have
to
remember
that
too
I
mean
this.
I
Is
you
know,
encouraging
more
and
more
people
to
to
live
downtown
to
you
know,
live
on
our
traditional
main
street
certainly
know
that
the
the
development
kind
of
across
the
street
at
mccloud
and
and
bank
and
gladstone
bank,
you
know
really
revitalized
bank
street
a
few
years
back,
you
know
actually
bankster
bia
was
able
to
expand
as
a
result
of
it.
So
in
terms
of
infill.
What
it
will
do
for
for
the
downtown,
I
think
is,
is
positive.
I
My
questions
were
my
main
question
was
very
similar
to
remember
podolsky,
so
I
won't
re-ask
it
you
have.
You
have
responded
to
that
and
I
think
it
will
come
up
again
later.
Just
two
quick
questions.
I
just
want
to
confirm
one
thing:
the
condition
be
that
you're
asking
to
be
released
from
brickwork
around
the
columns
you're,
just
referring
to
the
columns
then
that
are
on
james
street-
is
that
correct.
The
red
brick
would
remain
on
the
columns
on
bank.
Is
that
correct.
F
Yes,
so
to
to
release,
the
condition
is
exactly
as
the
member
has
put
in
mr
chair
effectively
that
the
design
will
remain
exactly
as
is
currently
proposed,
and
it's
only.
There
are
a
couple
of
slides
there
that
showed
the
columns
in
the
back,
at
least
that's
our
understanding
of
what
the
condition
is
referring
to.
I
Okay
and
you
know,
although
you
know
it's
not
a
game-
changer
I've,
I've
never
been
I've.
I've
never
been
fully
convinced
of
the
benefits
of
an
overhang.
I'm
just
I've
always
been
skeptical.
I
know
that
there's
another
one
being
that
was
proposed
on
somerset.
It's
not
been
built
yet
similar,
it's
a
taller
building
with
a
recessed
entry.
I
I'd
just
like
to
ask
your
opinion
of
you
know
of
of
our
staff.
You
know,
does
does
that
lead
to
in
your
in
in
your
professional
professional
opinion,
too
sort
of
a
darkened
entry
to
you
know.
Possibility
of
I
don't
know
just
I
always
think
of
you
know
a
place
for
garbage
to
blow
into,
or
you
know
just
a
bit
of
a
darker
space
and
again
I
I
don't
know
that
I
feel
strongly
about
it.
I've
just
I
just
have
never
been
fully
convinced
of
their
full
benefit.
F
Thank
you
for
the
question
and
through
the
chair,
I
I
assume
this
question
is
still
directed
at
us.
I
know
staff
was
mentioned
there,
but
okay,
so
I
guess
the
other
piece
of
clarification
is
to
confirm.
Is
it
referencing?
The
is
the
question
referencing
the
entrance
to
the
residential
on
the
james
street
side.
F
Okay,
so
I
think
the
the
overhang
that
is
being
described
here
is
somewhat
limited.
It's
actually
largely
to
incorporate
a
pedestrian
easement,
so
there
were
discussions
with
staff
on
the
planning
side
and
also
on
the
right-of-way
side
earlier
on
in
the
process
of
of
how
to
it
related
to
potential
roadwinding
and
these
types
of
things,
and
after
some
back
and
forth,
it
was
determined
that
the
most
appropriate
approach
was
to
have
a
pedestrian
easement.
F
Now
my
my
appreciation-
and
maybe
we
can
get
confirmation
from
raw
on
this,
but
my
understanding
is
that
it
would
be
at
grade.
So,
unlike
the
elgin
street
colonnade
that
I'm
picturing
in
my
mind's
eye
with
the
perfect
books
there,
I
think
it
would
actually
be
level
with
the
sidewalk
in
this
case.
So
I
think
it's
slightly
a
different
scenario,
unlike
that
that
step
up
that
you
get.
But
I
I
don't
know
if
roland
has
anything
to
add
to
this
discussion
about
that.
H
Yeah,
I
would
say
the
the
counselor
is
correct,
that
when
you
step
retail
back
significantly
from
a
from
a
public
street,
there
is
the
chance
that
you're
going
to
create
a
a
darkened
area
and
it's
not
attractive
for
retail.
That's
why
people
are
moving
away
from
these
sort
of
arcaded
storefronts
throughout.
In
this
instance,
as
jamie
said,
we're
just
accommodating
a
wider
sidewalk
at
the
street.
F
That's
right,
and
the
one
thing
I'll
just
add
as
well
about
the
lighting
is
one
of
the
conditions
before
the
committee
today,
as
a
recommended
direction
from
staff
is
to
have
a
lighting
plan
as
part
of
this,
and
certainly
the
ad
grade
treatment
along
bank
street
will
be
a
critical
piece
of
that.
Yeah.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
I
you
know
as
we
move
forward.
Obviously
I
sit
on
the
bank
street
bia
as
well
and
very
strong
bia,
and
certainly
in
terms
of
of
animating
the
street
and
looking
at
making
sure
that
it,
it
remains
kind
of
accessible
for
everyone
really
and
but
has
that
sense
of
being
busy
and
again
just
overly
animated,
really
is
important.
So
I
look
forward
to
those
conversations.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
chair.
I
wanted
to
expand
on
this
discussion
of
lighting
that
we've
been
having
in
regard
to
the
the
proposal,
particularly
as
it
concerns
condition
2a
for
that
step.
Back
bank
street
with
its
range
of
heights
between
vacant
lots
up
to
nine
stories.
It
has
quite
a
bit
of
light
that
penetrates
down
to
the
street
level
and
that
really
enhances
the
pedestrian
experience
and
the
public
realm,
which
I
think
for
me,
is
another
asset
to
having
one
of
those
having
a
setback
as
ever.
Padalski
had
recommended
so
in
your
design.
F
Thank
you
for
the
question,
mr
chair,
the
the
design
approach.
I
think
I'll
certainly
defer
to
roland
momentarily
in
answer
to
the
question,
but
I
think
suffice
it
to
say
that,
and
it
relates
to
the
the
previous
question
as
well,
that
that
the
integration
and
treatment
and
interaction
with
the
public
realm
was
absolutely
a
forefront
in
their
minds.
K
F
Heights
at
grade
and
the
treatment
of
the
pedestrian
easement
and
these
types
of
things,
there's
certainly
been
a
lot
of
discussion
with
staff
on
the
planning
side
as
well
included
in
that,
of
course,
was
a
shadow
study
that
was
included
as
part
of
the
application
for
the
zoning
amendment.
But
I
think
in
in
general,
in
terms
of
the
impact
of
the
mostly
positive
impacts
of
the
building
on
the
public
realm
I'll,
just
defer
to
roland.
Maybe
to
add
to
that
discussion.
H
Yeah,
as
as
jamie
said,
we
are
proposing
a
roughly
one
meter
step
back
at
grade
to
widen
the
pedestrian
sidewall
widening
the
the
area
free
for
pedestrians
in
the
public
realm
in
that
area,
the
building's
relatively
transparent
on
the
well
almost
entirely
transparent
on
the
ground
floor,
in
contrast
to
the
traditional
brick,
that's
used,
above
with
the
screen
and
the
balconies
etc.
So
there's
a
very
distinct
layering
between
the
retail
and
pedestrian
realm
and
then
the
more
private
residential
realm
above.
H
So
it's
very
open
and
public
in
terms
of
contributing
to
that
environment,
and
then
that's
repeated
yet
again
at
the
residential
entry
to
the
building
at
the
james
and
the
laneway
intersection.
So
there's
a
variety
of
depths
of
sidewalk
and
and
walking
surface
from
the
sidewalk
to
the
building
face.
As
you
go
around
the
building,
which
we
think
creates,
creates
some
additional
interest
and
variety
to
the.
L
Thanks
j,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
out
of
a
sunbeam
here
in
my
office,
quick
question:
your
interpretation
of
2a
just
so
we're
crystal
clear,
we're
all.
On
the
same
page,
the
staff
recommendation
says
the
applicant
in
consultation
with
staff,
introduce
an
additional
design
element.
Can
I
just
be
crystal
clear
what
your
expectations
are?
What
that
means.
F
So
our
expectations
of
of
what
the
condition
means.
So
I
guess
what
the
first
point
is
about
timing,
in
terms
of
it
being,
you
know
conditional
upon
moving
forward
by
the
site
plan
stage.
Then
you
know
these
are
the
typically
the
types
of
things
that
would
be
incorporated
at
the
site
plan
stage
which
in
this
particular
case
more
often
the
two
applications
cycling
and
zoning
are
submitted
together.
In
this
case
they
are
separate
and
only
zoning
has
been
submitted
so
far.
F
L
F
Yes,
we
are
it's
certainly
you
know
it
leaves
it
sufficiently
open-ended
that
we're
prepared
to
have
these
discussions
and-
and
there
will
be
some
some
back
and
forth
there,
but
there's
already
been
some
discussion
on
the
team
side
about
possible
solutions
or
address
ways
to
address
this,
or
at
least
to
get
the
conversation
started,
and
with
regards
to
that
there
was
some
reference
in
the
staff
presentation.
I
believe
about
some
some
examples
of
what
this
might
entail.
I
think
it
it
has.
F
Principally
it
has
to
do
with
the
the
creation
or
sort
of
recognition
of
where
a
datum
line
might
be
in
that
that
particular
brand
of
brick
work
that
might
be
done
or
these
types
of
things-
and
I
know
just
moments
ago,
roland
the
architect
did
mention
that
we're
you
know
quite
prepared
to
have
those
discussions.
There
might
be
some
possible
solutions
there.
That's.
D
Thank
you,
chair,
you'll,
be
pleased
to
know.
I
found
my
waving
hand
yeah.
My
question
just
comes
back
to
one
of
my
colleagues
ref
referred
to
and
it's
the
question
of
of
light
natural
light
and
the
impact
have
you
done
any
studies
on
the
impact
of
natural
light
on
the
streetscape
across
the
street,
et
cetera
as
part
of
your
overall
project.
F
Yes,
mr
chair,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Yes,
as
I
mentioned,
part
of
the
rezoning
application
was
to
prepare
a
shadow
study,
and
so
that
went
through
more
in
line
of
the
sort
of
rezoning
and
the
planning
side
of
things
before
separating
out
heritage,
so
to
speak,
but
that's
yeah.
That
was
part
of
the
initial
application
that
was
submitted
several
months
ago.
D
What
impact
it
would
have
if
there
was
a
more
significant
setback,
would
make
a
difference
on
natural
light,
especially
across
the
street.
You
are,
the
west.
Light
would
be
coming
across
from
behind
the
building,
and
it's
part,
I
think,
the
impact
of
heritage
on
a
traditional
streets
streetscape,
the
public
realms
experience
of
that
does
come
into
our
considerations.
F
I
think
one
thing
to
to
bear
in
mind
to
it.
Well,
two
things:
one
is:
if
we're
talking
about
a
step
back,
you
know,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
step
back
would
probably
be
a
meter
or
two
roughly,
even
if
it
were
incorporated,
and
I
don't
think
that
would
make
an
enormous
difference
in
terms
of
the
sunlight
experience
at
grade.
F
H
H
Our
experience
has
been
that
in
order
to
maintain
sunlight
on
the
opposite
side
on
a
north,
south
street
like
this
is
extremely
difficult
and
it
would
require
probably
a
45
degree
angle,
plane
almost
taken
from
music
curb,
so
any
building
taller
than
four
stories
is
is
gonna
shadow,
regardless
of
whether
it's
step
back
one
two,
three
meters,
we're
talking
about
a
nine
story
building
here,
and
that
is
the
planned
contest-
gonna
happen.
So
there
will
be
shadow
on
that
sidewalk.
H
The
one
thing
that
would
make
a
difference
that-
and
I
believe,
does
make
a
difference-
is
that
we
do
have
the
cut
out
at
the
actually
at
the
north
end
of
the
building
on
james
street,
where
we
have
at
the
lower
level
in
the
upper
level.
So
you
will
get
more
penetration
of
the
late
afternoon,
sun
onto
bank
street,
but
a
step
back
along
the
bank
street
facade
will
not
have
a
sig
any
significant
impact.
We
think
on
on
the.
A
A
K
Yes
thanks
very
much.
I
am
sean
barbara.
The
president
of
the
centertown
community
association,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
present
the
views
of
our
community
association
here
today.
First,
some
background
on
our
involvement
with
this
development
application.
We
met
with
a
fotent
over
a
year
ago.
I
think
in
fact
it
was
with
jaime
to
express
our
support
for
the
development
of
the
site.
However,
at
that
time
we
also
flagged
our
concern
with
the
building
design
that
we
continue
to
have.
K
Today
we
submitted
a
letter
to
the
city
which,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
is
included
in
the
city
report
when
the
proposal
was
resubmitted
a
few
months
ago,
we
requested
another
meeting
with
foten,
but
today
we
haven't
heard
back
from
them
on
this
next
slide.
Please
slide
two
summarizes
our
concerns
for
generations.
Bank
street
has
been
the
spine
of
the
downtown
core,
it's
a
hub
of
commercial
activity
and
and
an
important
gathering
place.
K
It
supports
a
vibrant
arts,
cultural
and
culinary
scene,
and
has
important
historic
significance
for
our
lgbtq
community
as
we
invest
in
intensification
in
centertown,
which
we
wholly
support.
We
need
to
protect
and
enhance
what
makes
bank
street
unique,
and
we
can
do
that
by
following
the
policies
and
the
guidelines
that
would
have
been
put
in
place
by
the
city
to
serve
that
purpose.
Next
slide,
please.
K
I
want
to
focus
on
two
of
those
policies.
The
first
is
the
centertown
community
design
plan.
In
section
6.4
of
the
plan,
it
outlines
the
importance
of
step
backs
for
all
buildings
in
excess
of
six
stories
in
section
6.5
on
heritage
context,
it
states
that
new
buildings
adjacent
to
heritage,
buildings
or
streetscapes
must
use
step
back
step
backs
to
modulate
facades
to
be
compatible
with
surrounding
heritage
structures.
The
current
proposal
clearly
fails
this
test.
There
is
no
step
back
on
80
percent
of
the
front
facade
to
make
it
compatible
with
the
surrounding
heritage
buildings.
K
K
The
second
applicable
policy
is
the
city's
building
guidelines
for
traditional
main
street,
specifically
guidelines,
10,
12
and
15..
Guideline
10
reminds
us
that
building
heights
should
bear
some
relation
to
the
width
of
the
street
bank
street
is
narrow
at
this
point.
Only
18
meters
between
the
property
lines
when
building
height,
exceeds
the
one-to-one
ratio
on
the
street-facing
facade,
as
it
does
with
his
proposal.
K
The
building
exceeds
what
the
guideline
describes,
as
quote
a
comfortable
sense
of
enclosure,
and
I
think
this
was
one
of
the
one
of
the
previous
speakers
kind
of
referred
to
this.
The
solution,
of
course,
is
to
step
back
the
upper
floors
of
the
building
to
get
back
to
that
pedestrian
comfort
zone
next
slide.
K
Please
guideline
12
makes
this
point
as
well:
to
preserve
the
heritage
character,
scale
of
bank
street
building
designs
must
include
step
backs
at
appropriately
low
levels.
Council's
traditional
main
streets
are
sunny
streets.
Guideline
15
suggests
buildings
be
designed
within
a
45
degree,
angular
plane,
so
our
main
streets
can
remain
sunny,
who
hasn't
watched
the
pride
parade
or
the
santa
claus
parade
on
a
beautiful
sunny
day
on
bank
street.
What
a
different
experience
this
would
be
if
you
were
surrounded
by
eight
and
nine
story.
Walls
unable
to
see
the
sun
next
slide.
K
K
These
are
two
examples
of
mid-rise
buildings
that
use
step
backs
to
preserve
the
heritage,
character
and
pedestrian
friendliness
of
bank
street
next
slide.
Please
now
compare
these
guideline
compliant
buildings
with
the
design
proposal
rear
viewing
today,
there's
nothing
subtle
or
playful
of
this
proposal.
K
K
In
conclusion,
we
believe
this
proposal
can
meet
can
be
made
heritage
and
building
design
compliant.
If
and
when
the
building
design
is
compliant
with
existing
guidelines,
we
could
support
this
project
and
would
speak
to
it
at
the
planning
committee.
Until
then,
the
proposal
does
not
have
our
support
in
conjunction
with
councillor
mckinney.
We
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
work
with
our
proponent
to
ensure
compliance
with
centertown
planning
guidelines.
Thank
you.
A
I
Do
you
believe
that,
as
we
work
towards
condition
to
a
to
look
at
the
additional
design
elements
that
can
that
can
be
implemented
to
better
reflect
the
the
low
rise
character
of
the
existing
streetscape?
Do
you
believe
that,
through
that
process,
that
we
could
that
that
would
that
that
would
meet
your
request
for
a
process
to
to
make
changes
if,
if
the
applicant
is,
is
willing
to
do
so?
K
Thanks
council,
I
have
two
two
comments
on
that.
First
of
all,
I
didn't
hear
at
any
time
during
the
presentation
of
of
of
the
three
presenters
for
the
proponent,
a
suggestion
that
they
would
meaningfully
entertain
any
idea
or
of
a
of
a
setback
or
step
back
below
where
it
exists.
Now,
which
is
the
eighth
floor
so
clearly
as
as
as
you've
mentioned,
and
as
as
mr
padalski
mentioned,
and
as.
J
F
K
Fails
the
heritage
conservation
district
guidelines,
but
also
the
guidelines
for
traditional
main
streets
and
and
the
sierra
town
community
design
plan.
So
it
fails
on
three
fronts.
Having
said
that,
we
would
be
interested
in
participating
in
any
process
with
you
and
and
city
staff
to
to
find
find
a
solution.
But
for
us
it's
hard
to
envisage
a
solution
for
the
reasons
that
I
outlined.
That
would
incorporate
anything
other
than
some
sort
of
step
back
and
and
the
idea
and
and
just
to
pick
up
on.
The
point
was
made
earlier.
K
A
K
Interested
in
participating
in
in
a
process-
I,
I
must
say
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
by
the
recommendation
city
report
that
this
be
left
the
city,
the
general
manager
of
the
planning
department.
I
mean
this.
These
are
important
buildings
on
a
traditional
main
street
in
downtown
ottawa.
They
should
not
be
left
on
elected
officials.
There
should
be
decisions
of
people
who
are
elected
by
members
of
the
community
to
ensure
the
guidelines
for
buildings
in
their
community
are
complied
with.
Shouldn't
left
us
to
unelected
officials.
I
Okay,
now
I
appreciate
your
comments,
so
when
we
get
to
staff,
I
will
pose
that
in
terms
of
how
we
would
move
forward
to
ensure
that
condition
to
a
that.
Those
additional
you
know
elements
that
we
are
at
least
considering
the
use
of
step
back
to
to
meet
the
the
guidelines.
So
I
appreciate
that
sean
and
I'm
sure
you'll
still
be
listening
at
that
time.
So
you'll
have
the
answer,
and
there
is
time
between
now
and
when
this
goes
to
planning,
of
course,
to
do
that.
So
thank
you.
A
B
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
sean
for
speaking
today.
You
gave
several
examples
in
your
presentation
of
what
appeared
to
be
more
recent
developments
that
have
applied
this
step
back
approach.
In
your
experience.
Looking
along
bank
street,
is
this
essentially
a
reasonable
standard
that
is
typically
faithfully
applied?
Is
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is:
is
this
a
common
expectation
that
other
developers
have
taken
on
in
good
faith
on
the
whole.
K
Well,
I
think
the
experience
shows
that
some
have
and
some
haven't
and
the
the
the
problematic
nature
of
that
is
that
there
are
that
that
subcommittees
and
such
as
your
own
and
the
planning
committee
are
give
exemptions
to
developers
to
ignore
those
guidelines,
and
we
end
up
with
a
buildings
that
are
not
compliant
to
guidelines.
So
so
what
it
does
is
it-
and
I
made
this
point
elsewhere-
is
it
erodes
confidence
in
the
public
in
the
in
the
integrity
of
this
of
this
process?
K
K
As
I
said,
the
community
design
plan
the
the
heritages
to
guidelines
and
the
guidelines
for
traditional
main
street
when
those
are
routinely
routinely
ignored
and
and
developers
are
allowed.
I'm
not
anti-development
developers
are
allowed
to
build
buildings
that
are
controversial.
Those
guidelines
when
there
are
clear
examples
in
the
vicinity
of
where
those
of
buildings
that
are
complying
with
those
guidelines
yet
remain
commercially
viable.
K
It
erodes
our
confidence
in
the
in
the
process
and
and
and
and
I
think
it
does
a
disservice
frankly
to
the
democratic
process.
So
I
think
you
are
the
custodians.
You
are
the
guardians
really
of
the
public
trust
to
ensure
that
those
pro
those
guidelines
are
respected.
Acknowledging,
as
I
said,
that
there
are
times
when
you
have
to
be
flexible,
but
you
know,
as
I
said
before,
we
support
we
support
the
development
on
this
site.
We
and
we
have
no
problem
with
the
hype.
That's
not
the
issue
here.
K
A
L
L
Thanks,
I
guess
I'd
like
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
presentation
we
just
had
we're
being
asked
to
approve
a
recommendation
that
does
not
have
the
same
type
of
setbacks
and
angular
that
we've
just
heard-
and
I
just
want
to
give
staff
an
opportunity
to
comment
further
and
and
elaborate
for
the
committee.
Please.
L
E
E
Thank
you.
In
general,
the
project
meets
the
guidelines
of
the
center
hcd
plan.
You
know
I
spoke
to
how
the
project
is:
is
a
contemporary
design.
It's
distinguishable
from
the
surrounding
properties,
heritage,
properties,
but
sympathetic
in
in
terms
of
its
material
palette,
and-
and
you
know,
basically,
the
conditions
before
the
committee
today
are
to
further
improve
that
compatibility
with
dhc.
L
Okay,
I
am
pretty
much
open
to
the
applicant's
argument
about
the
the
pillars
they
were.
Their
argument
was
concrete
pillar
in
conjunction
with
the
brick
look
and
feel
of
the
exterior
is
a
sort
of
a
blended
modern
look,
and
I
accept
I
actually
accept
that
that
argument
that
they're
making,
which
would
mean
we
would
vote
against
2b,
which
is
your
recommendation
to
go
from
concrete
to
brick.
Do
you
have
any
further
comment
on
that
to
their
argument
about
it
being
a
modern
or
a
blended,
modern,
look
and
feel.
E
L
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
I
also
on
condition
b,
won't
support
it.
I
think
that
we
can
find
a
different
way,
especially
given
that
it's
around
the
corner
on
on
james
street,
but
on
on
condition
2a
with
the
the
additional
design
elements.
I
think
that
between
now
and
and
planning
committee,
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
work
with
the
with
the
community
and
and
the
applicant
and
staff
to
find
a
way
to
satisfy
the
design
elements
that
should
be.
I
E
Right,
okay,
thank
you,
counselor
and
through
mr
chair,
I
think.
Certainly
we
can
continue
to
work
with
the
applicant
and
with
yourself
and
perhaps
the
chair
as
well,
going
forward
prior
to
to
planning
committee
on
on
what
you
know.
Different
design
elements
can
be
introduced
into
the
design,
certainly
from
staff's
perspective
we
have.
We
do
have
a
strong
preference
that
it
would
be
the
introduction
of
that
step
back
at
the
fourth
floor
or
below,
but
we
do
want
to
be.
E
I
I
I
just
want
to
confirm,
then,
if
you
know,
if
we,
if
we
accept
the
recommendations,
as
is
with
condition
2a
moving
forward,
there
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
come
back
through
the
planning
process
to
get
that
that
step
back.
If
that's,
what
that
it
turns
out
to
be
the
best
way
of
breaking
up
that
massing
on
that
that
the
front
facade
is
that
correct.
E
Right,
I
thank
you,
member
comforti
and
three,
mr
chair.
I
I
mean,
I
think,
to
your
question
earlier.
You'd
asked
you
know
how
we
would
how
we
would
evaluate
any
changes
to
the
design
and
I
think,
obviously,
we'll
be
looking
at
how
any
changes
would
impact
the
guidelines,
the
the
centertown
hd
guidelines
and
ensure
that
the
intent
there
is
being
met
and
and
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
values
being
there's
no
impact
to
the
overall
value.
E
I
mean,
as
I
said,
I
think
the
preference
from
staff
is
to
introduce
that
step
back
and
but
I
think
we
are
open
to
those
alternative
methods
as
well.
I
think
it
would
be
a
potentially
a
combination
of
those.
You
know
all
options,
and
I
think
we
would
work
with
the
with
the
counselor
and
and
the
chair
on
to
determine
whether
it
was
appropriate
and
satisfy
that
condition.
C
B
B
E
Thank
you,
member
hustle,
through
mr
chair.
I
do
think
the
step
back
is
the
is
the
more
obvious
is
the
you
know,
most
obvious
approach
in
terms
of
reflecting
that
low
rise
character,
so
I
think
it
would
be
the
best
option
but,
as
I
said,
there
are
different
ways
to
kind
of
you
know
reflect
that
low-rise
character
as
well,
that
we
would
be
open
to.
D
This
is
in
terms
of
consultation
with
the
community.
I'm
just
wondering
throughout
this
process,
was
there
ever
an
opportunity
for
representatives
from
the
community
or
a
representative
from
the
centertown
community
association
to
review
and
work
with
staff
and
the
applicant,
as
has
been
the
case
in
other
hcds
in
the
city?
E
Thank
you
for
the
question
and
through
mr
chair,
so
we
do
have
a
pilot
program
for
pre-consultation
in
many
of
our
heritage
conservation
districts
across
the
city.
At
this
point,
center
town
hasn't
been
included
in
that
pilot,
so
the
consultation
was
through
our
general
heritage,
permit
circulation
process
and
also
through
the
zoning,
the
zoning
application
technical
circulation.
Where
comments
were
provided.
D
Okay,
thank
you,
and
the
representative
from
the
community
association
seems
to
have
indicated
that
attempts
following
their
initial
feedback
to
the
applicant
attempts
to
reach
out
to
them
again
didn't
really
get
very
far,
so
I
think
we've
had.
I
think
we
can
infer
a
limited
exchange
between
the
two
here.
So
I
think
perhaps
what
I
will
do
is
wait
until
the
mr
chair
opportunity
for
us
to
make
comments
at
which
time
I
will
then
a
comment
on
my
colleague's
most
recent
suggestion.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Can
everybody
hear
me?
I
just
wanted
to
back
up
what
mckenzie
had
said
here
regarding
the
process
and
how
this
ends
up
in
front
of
this
committee
or
how
we
get
to
a
final
approval
on
this.
So
in
reference
to
the
condition,
as
mckenzie
has
noted,
we
feel
that
a
step
back
is
the
preferred
option.
B
B
A
L
I
would
like
to
amend
to
a
to
include
the
local
counselor,
and
so
mr
chair
2a
reads
the
applicant
in
consultation
with
staff
comma.
I
would
like
to
add
the
words
and
the
local
counselor,
and
that
way
throughout
the
remaining
process,
the
local
counselor,
who
is
in
tune
with
the
community,
can
be
kept
in
the
loop
on
this
process.
So,
mr
chair,
that's
an
amendment
I'd
like
to
make
to
this
motion.
L
Okay,
colleagues,
I'm
gonna
vote
against
2b.
I've
stated
previously
that
I
do
believe
that
a
modern
blend
is
acceptable
for
what's
being
proposed
and
I'm
not
fixed
to
the
brick
columns.
I
understand
the
argument
that
staff
are
making.
I
don't
think
it
is
a
detriment
to
the
overall.
You
know
building
once
complete
to
have
those
concrete
columns
to
me.
This
is
a
very
minor
detail,
but
I'm
just
stating
for
the
record
my
my
thinking
on
this,
so
I
will
be
voting
against
2b
so
chair.
L
I
think
we'll
have
to
tease
that
one
out
and
vote
on
that
separately
and
then
the
other
matters
of
this
motion.
I
will
be
supporting
so
it's.
I
think
this
is
definitely
going
to
look
better
for
bank
street.
I
can
tell
you
I'm
not
in
love
with
the
current
structure.
I
think
it
adds,
quite
frankly,
absolutely
nothing
to
this
district
that
the
building
that
we
have
now
so
glad
to
see
the
evolution
of
this
corridor
and,
what's
being
proposed,
I
think,
will
be
certainly
a
net
benefit
to
this
part
of
bank
street.
A
F
J
J
Maybe
we're
thinking
you
know
moscow
and
the
soviet
buildings
that
stepped
up,
but
really
you
can
actually
create
excellent,
contemporary
design
playful
design
by
incorporating
a
setback
along
this
entire
block,
which
could
vary,
I
mean
it
could
vary
up
and
down
a
bit
could
be,
let's
just
say,
approximately
four
stories
I
would
leave
that
to
the
architects
to
to
handle.
So
it
seems
to
me
that
this
proposal
is
a
huge
vote
of
confidence
for
backstreet.
J
It
meets
so
many
objectives
that
we
have
for
the
revitalization
and
intensification
of
our
the
core
of
our
city
and
bank
street,
in
particular
the
introduction
of
mixed-use
building
and
residential
retail
upgrade.
I
think
this
is
a
very,
very
positive
thing
and
the
architecture
that
raw
has
come
up
with,
I
think,
is
a
very
it's
more
than
adequate.
J
It
has
some
gifted
qualities
to
it,
which
I
quite
admire,
and
I
think
that
I
would
encourage
the
the
the
architects
and
the
planners
in
this
case
to
seriously
take
into
consideration
the
recommendation
of
this
committee
if
we
agree
to
specifically
calling
for
a
setback
as
an
amendment,
to
recommendation
to
a
and
work
with
that
and
achieve
something
that
is
playful.
That
contributes
a
building.
J
That
somehow
gives
a
sense
of
scale
for
the
entire
sea
like
rotterdam
did
when
it
rebuilt
its
downtown.
You
know
in
the
1950s,
so
having
said
that,
I
would
certainly
support
the
staff
recommendation
but
amend
to
a
in
order
to
incorporate
a
setback
there,
and
I
agree
with
councillor
rockington
and
others
that
recommendation
to
be
requiring
the
cladding
of
the
concrete
in
brick.
I
wouldn't
support
that.
I,
like
the
architect's
language
here.
J
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
I'd
like
to
begin
by
also
reiterating
what
my
colleague
barry
has
said
about
and
others
today
about
how
important
this
project
is
for
bank
street
the
potential
to
revitalize
this
area
of
the
heritage.
Conservation
district
is
fantastic.
I
think
there's
lots
of
positive
potential
here.
I
think
the
design
is
good
and
it
just
it,
but
where
it,
it
has
not
met
expectations.
D
I
also
would
support
councillor
brockington's
recommendation
that
we
vote
on
the
two
conditions
separately.
I
do
not
support
2b
either,
and
I
also
support
bringing
councillor
mckinney
the
local
award
counselor
into
the
into
the
process
going
forward,
and
I
think,
also
from
a
broader
perspective,
engaging
the
community
association
in
future
plans
like
this,
I
think,
is
really
just
really
really
important.
So
I
I
perhaps
I
leave
it
to
my
colleague
also
who
first
brought
this
up
to
come
up
with
the
wording.
So
that's
that's
my
those
are
my
comments.
A
Thank
you
so
much,
and
I
will
also
add
to
this
discussion.
I
I
agree
that
the
existing
buildings
are
non-contributing
and
support
their
their
demolition
to
enable
the
proposed
construction
to
to
precede
the
proposed
development,
in
my
estimation,
would
provide
new
mixed
use.
That
would
be
a
welcome
addition
to
the
streetscapes
and
the
neighborhood
while
meeting
the
recommendations
outlined
in
the
care
in
the
cultural
heritage
impact
statement.
J
Thank
you
just
one
point
that
I
think
should
be
tabled
in
our
discussion
here
and
that
is,
there
have
been
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
about
the
potential
value
of
a
step
back
like
this
in
providing
more
light,
more
natural
light
into
bank
street.
I
think
that
we
should
recognize
that
this
will
not
have
any
effect
on
committing
more
natural
light
into
bank
street
winter
or
summer.
J
J
J
You
know
precedent
for
future
developments
that
continue
to
add
to
this,
but
I
think
we
should
concede
that
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
the
addition
of
more
light
into
bank
street
in
this
block
and
by
the
way,
I
think
that
I
didn't
mention
it
to
the
developers,
but
I
do
really
really
like
and
respect
their
transparency
at
grade
to
animate
the
pedestrian
experience
by
having
a
glazed
storefront
and
sending
it
back
slightly.
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
say
that
before,
but
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
now.
A
I
appreciate
that
and,
like
I
said,
I
know
that
members
had
been
providing
comment
during
the
period
to
question
staff.
So
that's
I.
I
do
welcome
the
the
comments
that
you
have
provided
and
I
wanted
to
see
if
anybody
else
had
any
continuing
comments
to
make.
As
we
await
the
amending
motion
from
staff
and
I
do
see
that
councillor
brockington
has
raised
his
hand.
L
A
Approach
well,
I
do
see
that
we
have
two
motions
drafted
that
would
split
the
vote
on
recommendation
to
be
after
amendments
have
been
considered
and
then
the
balance
of
the
recommendations,
whether
amended
or
not,
will
be
considered.
But
I
I
I
do
in
a
sense
want
to
defer
to
the
word
counselor
here,
but
I
think
what
I
was
hearing
was
a
certain
level
of
instruction
towards
setback.
A
I
Yeah,
if,
if
I
may
chair,
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
committee
members,
I
think
that
going
into
this,
certainly
we
were
looking
at
condition
2a
as
a
way
of
making
the
the
design
that
front
facade
more
in
line
with
the
hc
hcd
guidelines.
I
think
the
conversation
today
really
will
strengthen
that
as
we
as
we
go
forward.
I
I
I
think
that
it's
you
know
if
it
were
on
bank
street,
it
you
know
different,
but
the
fact
that
it's
around
the
corner
on
james
an
entry
to
driveway
commercial
driveway
mostly-
and
I
think
that
there's
just
no
real
need
to
have
red
brick
at
that.
At
that
point,
and
and
certainly
any
time
you
know,
red
brick
is
exposed
that
way,
and
especially
on
a
column
that
gets
damaged,
it's
almost
impossible
to
fix
and
it
becomes
a
bit
of
an
eyesore.
B
Chair,
I
believe
the
motions
are
available
if
the
committee
wishes
to
consider
them
and
if
I
may,
there
would
be
the
unless
there's
some
direction
from
the
chair.
There
would
be
the
the
two
amendments
considered.
First,
the
most
recent
amendment
would
be
considered
first,
so
remember,
padalki's
motion
to
add
the
step
back,
followed
by
the
earlier
proposed
amendment,
councillor
brackington's
motion
to
add
the
wording
for
the
ward
counselor.
B
A
A
F
J
A
Yeah
yeah,
excellent,
and
so
I'm
I
know
it's
small
on
the
screen.
So
I'm
willing
to
read
this
motion
that
to
report
recommend
recommendations
be
amended
to
modify
clause
2a
to
read
the
applicant
in
consultation
with
the
staff
and
the
ward
councillor
introduce
a
step
back
at
the
fourth
story
on
the
bank
street
facade
to
better
reflect
the
low
rise,
historic
character
of
bank
street
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
general
manager,
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development
department
prior
to
site
plan
approval.
L
H
B
B
A
B
J
D
J
J
A
L
I
B
B
D
A
M
Thank
you.
How
does
it
sound
okay,
good
morning,
okay,
perfect
members
of
committee,
I'm
avery
marshall,
I'm
a
researcher
with
the
city's
heritage
planning
branch.
This
report
additions
to
the
heritage
register,
centertown
heritage
study,
recommends
listing
442
center
town
properties
on
the
heritage
register.
M
It's
quite
similar
to
the
the
report
and
the
presentation
that
you
saw
in
october
I'd
like
to
go
over
the
report
and
review
how
these
properties
were
identified
as
candidates
for
the
heritage
register,
and
also
look
at
the
difference
between
what
you're,
seeing
today
in
this
report,
versus
what
we
brought
forward
in
october
next
slide.
Please.
M
M
The
heritage
register
is
the
city's
official
list
of
properties
with
cultural
heritage,
value
or
interest,
and
it's
important
to
mention
that
listing
properties
on
the
heritage
register
and
designation
are
separate
and
distinct.
Designation
is
when
a
municipality
passes,
a
heritage,
designation,
bylaw,
the
bylaw
is
registered
on
property.
Title
and
changes
to
the
property
require
approval
from
the
city.
M
Designation
is
not
what
we
are
talking
about
not
today.
We're
looking
at
listing
properties
on
the
heritage
register
listing
is
a
tool
we
use
to
track
and
monitor
demolitions,
there's
no
bylaw,
and
there
are
no
approvals
from
the
city.
The
only
heritage
act
requirement
is
60-day
notice
in
advance
of
demolition.
M
M
M
So,
as
I
said,
this
report
stems
from
the
centertown
heritage
study.
One
of
the
goals
of
the
centertown
heritage
study
was
to
undertake
a
review
of
resources
in
centertown
and
determine
if
the
property's
merit
listing
on
the
heritage
register,
the
city
of
ottawa
hired
a
consultant
to
review
every
property
in
the
study
area
and
make
a
recommendation
based
on
their
findings
era.
Architects
was
hired,
they
are
an
award-winning
firm.
They
specialize
in
heritage
conservation
and
urban
planning.
M
M
M
The
heritage
evaluation
looked
at
26
different
factors
for
each
of
the
properties
that
included
the
roof,
shape,
cladding
style,
building
type
associated
history
and
the
built
environment
for
its
context,
that
data
was
captured
in
an
inventory
form
which
is
available
in
the
consultants
report.
As
appendix
c.
M
M
I
want
to
emphasize
this
question
of
character
because
the
answer
is
a
determining
factor
in
whether
the
property
is
recommended
for
the
heritage
register
or
not
properties,
that
define
or
reinforce
character
are
recommended,
as
listings
on
the
heritage
register,
defining
properties.
Those
are
the
properties
that
we
looked
at
in
october
for
the
centertown
report
that
came
forward
then
character.
Defining
resources
were
the
bulk
of
the
properties.
In
that
list
today,
the
report
before
you
looks
at
properties
that
reinforce
characters,
reinforce
character.
M
M
It
demonstrates
a
high
degree
of
craftsmanship
the
photo
in
the
center.
This
building
is
quite
similar.
The
look
is
quite
similar.
The
design
is
a
bit
simpler,
yet
the
features
are
intact
and
then
on
the
right.
The
design
of
the
building
here
is
again
quite
similar.
The
the
design
is
readable.
There
have
been
a
few
changes,
primarily
primarily
a
new
opening
on
the
upper
floor
and
some
alterations
to
the
porch
it's
difficult
to
see
in
the
photo.
The
masonry
was
redone.
M
M
Semi-Detached
buildings
are
a
common
type
in
center
town,
so,
on
the
left
again
a
photo
of
a
building
with
quite
a
sophisticated
design
with
many
features
intact
in
the
center
a
bit
simpler,
design
with
a
central
dormer,
the
two-story
porch
is
intact.
Even
the
transom
windows
are
in
place.
On
the
first
floor,
the
transoms
are
the
windows,
just
above
the
main
doors
and
on
the
right.
The
design
is
nearly
the
same,
however,
we're
not
seeing
a
porch.
M
The
upper
floors
were
converted
to
windows,
although
the
building
on
the
right
maintains
centertown's
character,
it's
not
recommended
as
a
listing
on
the
heritage
register,
so
the
next
slide,
so
the
last
set
of
examples
I'll
show.
So
these
three
are
the
hipped
roof
buildings
with
a
gable
bay,
again
quite
a
common
building
type
for
centertown
and
on
the
left,
you'll
notice.
M
The
bay
is
quite
wide
in
the
center,
a
planer
version
same
building
type,
the
windows
are
rectangular
and
it
does
have
some
wood
elements,
so
there's
barge
board
in
the
gable
there,
and
so
the
right
side
photo
again
a
similar
design,
but
no
wood
or
brick
detailing
the
porch
has
lost
its
pediment.
The
window
style
has
changed,
so
it
was
determined
that
it
maintains
character
rather
than
reinforcing
or
defining
it.
M
So
after
the
preliminary
assessment
was
done,
it
fed
into
the
classification
classification
scheme
that
was
used
for
the
centertown
heritage
study
inventory.
So
there
are
five
classifications,
significant
resources,
character,
defining
resources,
characters
supporting
resources,
those
with
no
classification
and
those
that
were
vacant
at
the
time
of
inventory.
M
M
M
So
properties,
in
that
third
tier
character,
supporting
resources
were
further
refined
by
how
they
contribute
to
the
character
of
their
centertown
context.
They
were
determined
to
either
reinforce
character
or
to
maintain
character.
Note
that
the
term
we
saw
earlier
define
is
not
used
here.
Define
was
used
exclusively
for
the
upper
two
tiers
in
this
tier
character.
Supporting
is
either
reinforce
or
maintain
properties
that
reinforce
character
are
recommended
as
heritage
register
listings
properties
that
maintain
character
are
not
so.
This
report
presents
properties
in
the
third
tier
character,
supporting
resources
that
reinforce
character.
M
M
M
M
Just
very
quickly,
I
wanted
to
show
this
image.
I
know
it's
a
bit
hard
to
see,
but
the
triangles
here
on
the
map.
This
is
the
centertown
heritage
study
area.
They
show
where
the
proposed
heritage
register
listings
are
located.
So
specifically
in
the
report
before
you
today,
everything
in
document
one
is
shown
here
as
a
triangle,
so
everything
is
outside
the
existing
heritage,
conservation
districts
and
there's
relatively
even
distribution
throughout
the
golden
triangle,
and
also
in
the
western
area
and
heavy
clusters
along
the
cloud
street
in
the
east
and
then
around
somerset
in
the
west.
M
Again,
just
another
view
of
what
you're
seeing
in
document
one,
the
400
buildings
in
this
report
are
representative
of
centertown's
building
stock.
These
buildings
are
generally
clad
in
red
brick,
two
to
three
stories
high
and
were
built
before
the
first
world
war,
reinforcing
center
town's,
look
and
feel
nearly
all
of
the
buildings
were
constructed
for
residential
use.
The
overwhelming
majority
are
detached
homes
next
slide.
Please.
M
M
M
Following
a
decision
by
council,
property
owners
will
be
mailed,
another
notice,
informing
them
the
property
was
or
what
was
not
listed
on
the
register
altogether.
Owners
would
have
been
notified
on
three
separate
occasions
in
2020
and
in
addition
to
owners,
we
also
notified
heritage
ottawa,
the
centertown
citizens,
community
association,
the
working
group
for
the
center
town
heritage
study
and
also
board
councillor
catherine
mckenny,
who
supports
the
goals
of
the
study
next
slide.
Please.
M
M
M
A
Thank
you,
miss
marshall,
for
the
in-depth
presentation.
It's
much
appreciated
as
we
move
on.
I've
noted
that
we
have
no
speakers
registered
on
this
item.
However,
we
did
receive
correspondence
from
residents,
so
we've
had
residents
objecting
to
the
addition
of
203
flora
street
residents
opposed
to
the
addition
of
557
mcleod
and
residents
as
well
opposed
to
66
park
avenue,
as
well
as
540
through
to
546
lion
street
north.
A
J
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
chair
king.
I
should
say
that
I'm
very
impressed
with
the
comprehensiveness
of
this
portion
of
the
centertown
register
report
and
I
think
your
presentation
was
quite
clear
as
it
relates
to
the
identification
of
characters
supporting
properties
that
are
identified
for
on
on
the
list.
Just
a
small
thing.
M
So
it's
that
hipped
roof
with
asymmetrical
gabled
bait,
and
in
this
case
it
was
determined
that
it
was
a
character
supporting
resource
because
it
has
those
elements
intact.
So
it
has
the
two-story
porch.
It
has
brickwork
with
some
detail.
It
has
each
of
each
of
those
elements.
The
information
that
was
shared
with
the
owner
is
that
you
know
we
have
the
year
built
19
second
1910,
so
again
that
first
period
of
build
out,
it
represents
that
that
first
development,
the
primary
style
being
a
queen
anne
revival
and
vernacular.
M
M
So
again,
the
the
year
build
on
file
is
circa,
1910
primary
style,
queen
anne
revival,
with
a
vernacular
influence,
brick
from
gable
two
and
a
half
story,
so
just
to
get
in
to
the
weeds
a
little
bit
on
this
one.
I
guess
from
what
I
can
see
in
the
photo
in
front
of
me.
It
has
wood
barge
board
with
quite
a
lot
of
detail.
M
It
has
an
enclosed
second
floor
porch
with
heavy
like
a
wide
eaves
with
it
looks
like
wood
element
to
me
in
the
photo,
looks
like
the
the
window.
Style
is
intact,
perhaps
a
bit
of
stucco
detailing
as
well,
and
so
we
are
seeing
sort
of
a
more
refined
level
of
craftsmanship
and
skilled
masonry.
In
this
example,.
M
So
66
park,
this
is
a
two-story
building,
so
this
style
here
is
a
bit
different.
It's
flat
roof
edwardian,
classicist
influence,
italianate
influence
built,
probably
closer
to
1900.
The
gear
I
have
in
front
of
me
is
1902,
and
in
this
one
again
we
have
a
primary
cornice
wood.
That's
intact,
there's
a
secondary
cornice.
It
looks
like
that's
also
intact.
M
The
windows
have
kept
their
segmental
arches
and
the
porch
has
a
pediment.
So
again,
I
do
see
a
lot
of
elements
there.
That
would
tell
me
the
integrity
is
quite
strong
and
also
that
not
only
does
it
reflect
the
character
of
the
area,
but
it
also
reinforces
what
we're
seeing
on
the
street
and
for
that
building
type.
M
M
There's
a
wood
cornice
here
and
I
can
see
it
stretches.
It
looks
like
it
has
n
brackets
and
again
it
looks
like
the
openings
are
intact.
The
brickwork
looks
good,
it's
quite
simple,
and
certainly
I'm
not
seeing
a
lot
of
features
here,
but
I
do
from
what
I
do
see.
It
looks
like
there
haven't
been
significant
alterations
other
than
the
porches
have
been
removed.
M
M
J
Well,
thank
you
for
that
explanation.
I
think
that
it
is
quite
remarkable
that
out
of
the
442,
there
were
only
four
property
owners
that
questioned
being
put
on
the
register,
so
I
think
that's
really
quite
remarkable
and
quite
rewarding.
I
would
suggest
I'm
prepared
to
vote.
You
know
in
favor
of
the
whole
list,
but
I
think
that
when
we
come
to
the
very
subtle
assessment
of
whether
or
not
it
is
character
supporting
worthy
of
register
and
character,
maintaining
this
may
be
lost
on
many
people.
J
It's
very
very
subtle,
and
I
think
that
I
compliment
you
on
the
work
that
has
been
done
and
I
think
that
the
process
of
triage
that
you
have
accomplished
certainly
seems
to
be
successful
in
getting
public
support
because
of
the
few
number
of
exceptions
that
have
complained
about
this.
So
I
think
that,
given
the
fact
that
the
heritage
register
is
not
particularly
onerous
and
that
it's
not
necessarily
leading
to
a
part
for
designation,
I'm
comfortable
to
support
this
unless
others
have
other
opinions,
but
thanks
very
much
avery
for
this.
I
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
staff.
It's
quite
the
undertaking,
and
here
we
are
at
you
know
at
the
second
report,
and
now
we
have
an
obligation
as
a
as
a
city
and
and
strong
cities,
you
know
do
what
they
can
to
maintain
their
their
heritage,
to
ensure
it's
protected
and-
and
it's
not
always
easy,
but
you
know
this
committee
over
the
years
has
done
a
commendable
job
of
that
and
and
the
work
that
you've
done
here.
I
I
But
that
has
been
maintained
over
time,
so
it
it
means
that
it
means
a
lot
to
myself
as
the
local
representative,
but
to
the
community
on
the
whole,
and
I
think
that
that's
why
you
know
we
can
propose
hundreds
of
of
properties
to
be
included
on
the
register
and-
and
you
know
we
we
only
end
up
with
a
handful
and
not
to
not
to
dismiss
that
handful,
and
I
was
glad
that
member
podelski
asked
the
question
in
that
avery
that
you
were
able
to.
To
answer
to.
I
I
thought
a
pretty
pretty
decent
degree
on
why
they
were
included.
So
I
just
just
one
quick
question.
I
support.
I
strongly
support
the
report
and
recommendations
of
the
report
happy
to
see
it
go
through
when
we're
looking
at
the
the
different
levels
in
the
register,
and
I'm
I
I
don't
know
if
this,
if
you
can
answer
this
definitively,
but
you
know
when
we're
looking
at
significant
resources
and
character,
defining
resources,
there
could
be
some.
You
know
especially
character
defining
there.
I
M
I
think
it's
quite
difficult
without
having
the
the
60-day
notice
and
that
rationale
in
front
of
us,
but
I
think
generally,
I
would
want
to
see
there
be
a
strong
historical
association
that
tells
us
more
about
it.
I
don't
know
that
it
would
be
focused
on
architectural
design.
I
think
we'd
be
we'd,
have
to
see
more
history
there
and
and
a
strong
context
there.
That
would
be
in
addition
to
that
integrity
and
and
that
character
that
we
were
talking
about.
M
So
I
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
906
criteria
for
part,
four
designation
we'd
have
to
make
sure
that
we
have
quite
a
strong
case
in
in
one
of
those
three
areas:
architectural
design,
history
or
context,
and
I
think,
with
the
csr,
the
csrs,
the
characters
supporting
resources.
We
need
to
have
extra
scrutiny
on
that
design,
piece
that
architectural
piece-
and
I
don't
know
that
it
would
be
there
in
each
case,
but
I
think
there's
potential
for
it
being
there
in
each
case.
I
A
A
If
not
I'd
like
to
echo
councillor
mckinney's
comments,
the
main
focus
of
the
town
heritage
study,
as
we
know,
was
to
review
approximately
3
000
properties
located
within
the
centertown
heritage
study
area,
in
order
to
identify
which
have
heritage
value
and
are
strong
candidates
for
listing
in
the
heritage.
Registrar.
A
Based
upon
the
comprehensive
report
presented
to
us
today,
which
primarily
evaluated
buildings
with
character,
supporting
resources
that
contribute
to
the
overall
character
of
the
centertown
community
character.
Defining
resources
are
properties
that
play
an
important
role
in
defining
the
historic
context,
really
clear,
providing
a
clear
reflection
of
the
characteristic
pattern,
activity
or
attribute
of
an
area
and
the
ministry
of
heritage
at
the
province.
Notes
that
identifying
properties
of
cultural
heritage,
value
or
interest
is
an
essential
part
of
our
municipality's
role
in
heritage
conservation.
A
A
A
M
Yes,
certainly,
this
is
a
brief
presentation
in
just
a
minute.
Will
I
get
my
self
organized
here?
Okay,
so
this
report
addition
to
the
heritage
register
citywide,
it's
a
city,
wide
report,
we're
recommending
21
properties
across
ottawa
on
the
heritage
register,
so
again
the
heritage
register.
That's
our
official
list
of
properties
with
cultural
heritage,
value
or
interest
next
slide
heritage,
standing
heritage,
planning
staff.
Part
of
me
reviewed,
21
properties.
In
this
report
we
consider
each
to
have
cultural
heritage,
value
or
interest
and
that's
a
link
to
architectural
design,
community
history
or
to
neighborhood
context.
M
Many
of
these
properties
are
recommended
as
a
way
to
correct
addressing
errors
or
omissions
from
the
heritage
inventory
project
and
also
the
sandy
hill
heritage
study
several
come
to
us
as
a
result
of
recommendations
from
community
design
plans.
The
two
shown
here
on
this
slide.
Oh,
I
forgot
to
go
to
the
next
slide.
I
messed
up
and
ahead
of
us.
M
M
M
As
I
said
in
the
previous
presentation,
the
only
requirement
is
a
60-day
notice
in
advance
of
demolition,
and
we
do
a
review
during
that
time.
We
look
at
906,
we
look
at
potential
for
designation
and
if
we
don't
move
forward,
we
don't
find
that
it
warrants
designation,
the
60
days
expire
and
the
demolition
proceeds
again.
There's
no
concern
with
repairs,
alterations
additions.
M
M
In
terms
of
notification,
owners
were
mailed
a
notice
in
advance
of
this
meeting,
stating
that
the
city
staff
recommend
listing
their
property
on
the
heritage
register.
The
mail
out
included
how
to
participate
in
the
meeting
today
and
also
a
property
information
sheet
with
again
a
custom
photo
and
details
about
the
property.
M
M
The
provincial
policy
statement
does
say
that
long-term
economic
prosperity
should
be
supported
by
encouraging
a
sense
of
place
and
by
conserving
build
heritage,
resources
and
then
section
27
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
does
allow
municipalities
to
list
non-designated
properties
of
heritage,
value
or
interest
on
the
municipal
heritage
register,
and
so
the
three
photos
are
examples
that
buildings
with
staff
are
recommending
for
the
heritage
register.
This
is
a
property
on
arthur
street
in
west
centertown.
M
The
center
photo
that's
saint
andrews,
presbyterian
church
in
richmond
village
and
then
on.
The
right
is
wendover.
26
wendover
in
old
ottawa
south
in
closing
staff,
recommend
that
the
build
heritage
subcommittee
recommend
that
council
list
these
21
properties
in
document
1
on
the
heritage
register
in
accordance
with
section
27
of
the
ontario
heritage
act.
Thank
you
for
listening.
A
A
A
A
Specifically
and
I
don't
see
hands
raised
so
I
would
just
like
to
note
that,
as
we
know,
the
purpose
of
section
27,
as
as
reintegrated
by
a
staff
concerning
the
ontario
heritage
act,
is
to
address
a
common
problem
faced
in
protecting
heritage
buildings,
that
of
buildings
being
demolished
and
replaced
before
they
can
be
assessed
of
their
heritage
value
through
the
registrar.
The
city
ensures
that
listed
buildings
are
not
lost
before
being
identified
or
being
formally
recognized
in
the
long
heritage
designation
process
as
a
community,
especially
on
a
city-wide
basis.
A
We
should
note
that
the
listing
of
a
property
to
the
registrar
does
not
automatically
lead
to
heritage
designation,
listing
a
property
on
the
heritage.
Registrar
also
does
not
prevent
owners
from
making
repairs,
alterations
or
additions
to
their
properties
to
reintegrate.
What
it
does
ensure
is
that
city
planners
have
60
days
to
assess
a
building
to
determine
if
it
warrants
protection
before
potential
demolition.
A
This
is
contrasted
with
the
20
days,
typically
required
pursuant
to
the
building
code
act
for
a
decision
to
be
made
on
a
demolition
permit
as
a
tool.
The
registry
allows
both
city
staff
and
counselors
to
provide
a
period
of
public
notice,
especially
in
scenarios
where
buildings
are
at
risk
of
demolition,
along
with
opportunities
to
promote
knowledge
and
enhance
understanding
of
the
community's
cultural
heritage.
A
The
next
items
on
the
agenda
come
from
the
office
of
the
city,
clerk
number
four
status,
update,
built
heritage,
subcommittee
inquiries
and
motions
for
the
period
ending
november,
2nd
2020..
There
isn't
a
presentation
on
this
item.
As
we
know,
based
on
policy
and
procedures,
we
report
the
status
of
inquiries
and
motions
that
are
before
committee's
subcommittees.