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From YouTube: Built Heritage Sub-Committee - November 12, 2019
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A
A
A
If
there's
anyone
interested
in
speaking
on
either
this
item
or
on
the
Heritage
Register
item
a
reminder,
we
do
have
a
sign-up
sheet
up
at
the
front
of
the
room
by
the
door
and
you
can
register
there
if
you
wish
to
speak
today,
I've
asked
for
a
short
presentation
from
our
staff
on
this
and
I
believe
it's
David
Maloney
will
give
us
a
quick
overview
of
this
report.
David.
B
B
The
property
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
Florence
Street
between
Bank
and
Kent
Street
jacent,
a
four-story
contemporary
condo
building
and
across
from
the
Chinese
Canadian
Heritage
Center,
a
Trillium
Hall.
The
property
is
designated
under
part
5
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
located
within
the
center
town,
Heritage
Conservation
District.
B
The
existing
house
to
be
demolished
is
vacant.
The
house
was
structurally
damaged
due
to
a
showing
failure
subsequent
to
the
construction
of
the
condo
building
to
the
west
in
2011,
Collard,
&,
Associates
and
John
cook
&
Associates
have
assessed
the
structure
and
determined
that
restoration
is
not
feasible.
B
The
this
view
is
looking
east
from
Kent
Street
at
the
corner
of
Kent
and
forms
the
subject.
Property
is
identified
with
the
arrow,
and
this
is
the
north
side
of
Florence
Street.
Looking
west,
you
will
notice
a
consistent
height
of
between
two
and
a
half
to
three
stories,
with
red
brick
being
the
dominant
cladding
material,
the
three-story
flat
roof
building
at
43
Florence
visible
on
the
photo
and
the
right.
This
building
here
is
similar
in
form,
scale
massing
and
materiality
as
the
proposed
new
development
and
is
located
on
the
similarily
sized
lot
loops.
B
B
These
are
the
front
rear
and
west
side
elevations
of
the
proposed
new
construction.
The
primary
cladding
material
is
red,
brick
with
patterned
metal
panels.
Framing
the
paired
windows
glass
railings
span
the
perimeter
of
the
rooftop
terrace.
Please
note
that
a
minor
zoning
amendment
to
address
the
lot
area
lot
with
side
yard
setback
and
the
size
of
the
rooftop.
B
B
The
site
plan
on
the
Left
shows
a
simple
rectangular
plan.
The
landscape
plan
in
the
middle
shows
for
trees
to
be
removed
to
accommodate
the
new
construction,
with
four
new
trees
to
be
planted
in
their
place.
The
result
will
be
one
tree
in
the
front
yard,
which
will
be
a
street
tree
with
four
new
trees
and
one
existing
tree
in
the
backyard.
B
The
tree
in
the
foreground
in
the
photo
showing
the
front
yard
on
the
Left
will
remain
in
the
back
yard.
These
existing
trees
will
be
removed
with
four
new
trees
to
be
planted
with
time.
These
new
trees
in
the
rear
will
contribute
to
the
historically
important
tree,
canopy,
typically
found
within
the
middle
portion
of
blocks
in
center
town.
These
shaded
green
spaces
provide
sites
for
respite
within
the
urban
score
and
are
very
important
characteristic.
B
The
proposed
nine
unit
apartment
building
is
flat,
roof
clad
with
red
brick.
The
recessed
front
entrance
is
characteristic
of
neighboring
heritage
buildings.
The
front
facade
of
the
building
features
paired
multi
pane
windows,
which
are
stacked
on
all
three
floors
with
pattern:
black
metal,
spandrel
panels,
framing
the
windows
in
the
projecting
Bay,
through
consultation
with
the
applicant
team,
which
included
a
heritage
consultant
project,
has
improved
in
the
following
ways.
Red
brick
has
been
extended
to
all
four
facades
and
will
be
the
only
cladding
material
visible
from
the
street.
B
With
the
exception
of
the
pattern
metal
panels
used
on
the
recessed
Bay
above
the
entrance
and
the
framing
of
the
paired
windows
on
the
front
facade,
the
window
style
and
divisions
have
been
modified
to
better
fit
the
Heritage
context.
A
decorative
metal
cornice
has
been
added
across
the
top
of
the
projecting
Bay
I
guess
I
could
do
this
and
to
make
up
for
the
required
removal
of
trees
on
the
property.
B
A
C
C
B
B
C
B
C
A
A
Okay,
we'll
move
on
to
the
second
item,
which
is
additions
to
the
Heritage
Register
and
will
give
staff
just
a
moment
to
switch
out
there
again.
If
you
are
interested
in
speaking,
we
do
have
a
sign-up
sheet
at
the
front
of
the
room.
This
is
the
final
report
related
to
the
Heritage
rheumatory
project,
which
was
a
strategic
priority
from
the
last
term
of
City
Council
and
since
2016
heritage
staff
have
reviewed
more
than
30,000
buildings
now
across
the
entire
city.
So
this
report
in
front
of
us
today
is
the
last
stage
of
that
process.
A
So
we
do
have
a
number
of
delegations
signed
up
to
speak,
we're
going
to
start
with
the
staff
update
and
then
proceed
to
the
delegations
and
staff
have
recommended
just
like
back
in
June
when
we
received
the
last
report.
If
committee
members
wish
to
remove
any
property
from
the
list,
staff
would
reconsider
properties
for
either
of
these
reasons,
one
is
if
the
new
objection
is
received
today
that
staff
had
not
have
had
the
opportunity
to
consider
or
if
there's
new
information
provided
today.
A
That
would
warrant
a
reassessment,
and
this
report
goes
to
City
Council
on
November
27,
so
a
couple
weeks
from
now
so
staff
would
aim
to
complete
any
reassessments
before
that
goes
to
council
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
So
we
have
cash
flow.
Zero
and
Avery
Marshall
will
give
us
an
overview
of
the
report
in
front
of
us
today.
D
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
having
us
this
morning.
My
name
is
Costco's
arrow
I'm,
a
researcher
with
the
Heritage
inventory
project,
I'm
here
with
my
colleague
avery
marshall,
and
our
manager
heritage
services,
dana
Collings,
so
we're
talking
today
about
our
rough
city,
ride
reports
additions
to
the
Heritage
Register.
This
report
culminates
the
results
of
a
multi-year
study
known
as
the
heritage
inventory
project,
so
the
Heritage
imaginary
project
was
developed
as
a
way
to
identify
properties
to
list
on
the
Heritage
Register
and
to
ensure
that
the
Heritage
Register
is
comprehensive
and
up-to-date.
D
Following
completion
of
the
heritage
inventory
projects,
the
city
will
have
a
reliable
planning
document
to
consult
when
reviewing
development
proposals
or
permit
applications.
It
will
also
serve
as
a
publicly
accessible
source
of
information
about
cultural
heritage
properties.
The
project's
promotes
enhanced
public
understanding
about
an
appreciation
for
ottawa's
cultural
heritage
and
about
heritage
planning
tools
and
practices.
So
brief,
review
about
what
it
means
to
be
listed
on
the
Heritage
Register,
as
opposed
to
being
designated,
is
as
follows.
So
listed
or
a
non
designated
property
must
have
cultural
heritage,
value
or
interest.
D
There
is
no
known
no
requirement
to
notify
owners
before
or
after
adding
a
property
to
the
register.
No
Heritage
status
is
registered
on
title
with
the
property
at
no
alterations
on
interior
or
exterior
alternate
alterations,
additions
or
renovations,
and
60
days
notice
is
required
prior
to
application
for
demolition.
D
Designated
properties,
on
the
other
hand,
must
meet
more
stringent
criteria
under
Regulation
906
in
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
a
notice
of
intent
to
designate
is
required
by
law,
is
registered
on
title
applications
for
alterations
require
a
heritage
permits.
An
application
for
demolition
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
would
not
be
permitted
in
most
cases,
so
our
internal
502
properties
are
proposed
for
addition
to
the
Heritage
Register
as
designated
listings.
D
So,
as
we
said
in
the
in
the
previous
slide,
these
are
not
designated
properties
and
there's
a
and
there's
a
notable
difference
between
a
listed
property
and
a
nun
and
a
designated
property.
So
buildings
that
we've
identified
through
this
phase
of
the
project
include
residences
places
of
worship,
community
buildings
and
commercial
buildings,
and
we
have
also
identified
some
bridges
and
lighthouses.
D
So
each
structure
was
assessed
for
its
cultural
heritage
value
according
to
a
methodology
that
considered
both
design
and
context.
In
order
to
make
listing
on
the
Heritage
Register,
a
property
had
to
have
been
built
before
1980
it
had
to
meet
the
design
test
and
reflect
their
neighborhood
heritage
statement.
Attributes
the
design
test
required
that
the
building
express
a
particular
style,
showcase
local
designer
materials,
feature
architectural
elements
demonstrate
original
built
form
and
that
any
changes
alterations,
etc
to
the
building
are
sympathetic
to
the
original.
D
A
building
generally,
only
the
facade
or
facade
is
clearly
visible
from
the
right-of-way
were
considered
during
assessments,
staff
prepared,
neighborhood
heritage
statements
for
each
study
area.
The
statements
summarized
the
historical
settlement
patterns,
significant
historical
themes
and
heritage,
attributes
of
the
area
and
those
attributes
are
considered
during
assessment.
D
So
for
this
final
live
phase
in
the
reports.
Public
consultation
followed
a
similar
model
as
the
previous
reports,
so
a
notification
package
was
mailed
to
all
impacted
owners
and
that
notification
package
contained
a
letter
outlining
the
heritage,
inventory
project
and
providing
staff
contact
information.
It
contained
a
brochure
explaining
the
heritage,
inventory
projects
and
answers
to
frequently
asked
questions
related
to
being
a
property
listed
on
the
register.
I
contain
a
flyer
listing
dates
and
times
of
public
information
sessions
and
a
drop-in
day
and
an
in
from
information
sheet
about
the
property
being
proposed
for
the
register.
D
So
we
held
two
public
information
sessions
this
time
around
in
Ward,
7
and
Ward
19,
and
we
had
a
rescheduled
drop-in
day
at
the
west
car
client
center,
which
we
had
scheduled
for
May
of
this
year,
but
canceled
due
to
flooding
in
that
would
counselors
community
associations
and
heritage
organizations
were
also
notified.
So,
as
with
the
last
report,
we
tracked
all
responses
and
feedback
from
property
owners,
residents
and
stakeholders
following
the
notifications,
information
sessions
and
drop-in
days.
Our
responses
included
questions
and
comments
about
the
heritage
inventory
projects.
D
Additional
information
about
property
is
supplied
by
the
property
owners
request
for
reassessments
and
request
for
removals
from
the
proposed
list.
We
also
had
several
property
owners
requests.
Applications
for
designation,
most
of
the
properties
included
in
this
report
are
located
in
wards,
1,
5,
7
and
19,
and
that's
the
light
yellow
area
on
the
map.
These
are
properties
that
were
originally
scheduled
to
be
included
in
our
June
2019
report,
but
were
postponed
from
addition
to
the
register
at
that
time
due
to
flooding
in
the
spring
of
2019
and
the
tornado
in
the
fall
of
2018.
D
The
report
also
includes
properties
that
were
identified
after
the
June
report,
as
well
as
for
properties
that
were
deferred
from
addition
to
the
register
in
June.
So
following
the
conclusion
of
the
heritage
inventory
projects,
this
fall
staff
estimate
that
the
Heritage
Register
will
contain
approximately
7500
95
properties.
This
is
a
total
based
on
a
number
of
listed
and
designated
properties
across
the
city
of
the
3960
listed
properties.
D
D
So
once
the
report
is
assuming
the
report
is
approved
and
the
Heritage
inventory
project
is
complete,
all
results
will
be
made
available
on
Autobots
EA
and
on
geo
Ottawa.
So
we've
taken
a
screen
cap
from
a
section
of
geo
Ottawa
where
the
Heritage
layer
contains
listed
and
designated
properties
as
well
as
properties
and
Heritage
Conservation
districts.
D
D
So
our
report
is
recommending
that
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
recommend
that
council
approves
the
addition
of
502
properties
to
the
city
of
Ottawa's.
Heritage
Register,
as
non
designated
listings
to
approve
technical
amendments
to
address,
is
listed
in
document
9
and
to
discontinue
use
of
the
Heritage
reference
list
and
following
approval
of
this
report,
this
report
will
have
completed
the
Heritage
inventory
project.
It
will
have
updated
the
Heritage
Register
in
all
remaining
areas
across
the
city
and
it
will
have
achieved
a
strategic
initiative,
44
a
which
was
a
major
major
council
strategic
initiative.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
so
we
will
come
back
to
staff
for
questions
afterwards,
although,
as
we
go
through
it
delegations,
we
may
have
questions
for
staff
as
we
go.
We
have
five
delegations
registered
to
speak,
I'm,
not
sure
if
they're
all
here
yet,
but
the
first
is
Gordon
Ryan.
Mr.
Ryan,
you
here
today
come
on
up
to
the
front,
while
you're
making
your
way
I
just
wanted
to
check
with
staff.
D
Thank
you
chair,
so
any
property
owner
who
submitted
to
us
or
Eric
we
agree,
assess
all
properties,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
there
was
a
request
to
be
removed
from
the
register
based
on
new
information
believed
that
the
project
or
the
property
doesn't
meet
the
criteria
for
the
project
or
any
other
reason.
We
just
did
a
preemptive
reassessment
of
all
properties.
Okay,.
A
A
On
our
committee
coordinator
is
making
notes,
if
there's
any
properties,
that
the
committee
feels
warrant
reassessment
before
this
goes
to
council.
Our
committee
coordinator
is
keeping
a
tally
of
addresses
and
we'll
provide
direction
to
staff
after
our
delegations.
So
mr.
Kord
and
mr.
Ryan,
pardon
me
Gordon
Ryan
I
have
your
address.
Here
is
four
three
three
four
upper
Dwyer
Hill
Road.
Is
that
correct?
A
E
Good
morning
and
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
today
at
this
subcommittee
meeting
I
received
your
heritage
inventory
project
brochure
was
first
quarter.
This
year
was
before
the
flood.
I
have
some
concerns,
with
my
property
being
on
this
register
list.
I
submitted
my
concerns
to
mr.
peel
about
a
month
ago
and
I
outlined
why
I
feel
my
property
should
not
be
on
this
register
list
I.
E
My
three
main
points
were
I
was
concerned
with
being
on.
This
list
would
affect
my
property
value.
I
did
get
a
response
back
saying
that
there's
been
no
known
reason.
Why,
being
on
this,
Heritage
List
would
affect
my
property
value.
I
just
want
to
be
aware
that
I
don't
live
within
the
actual
urban
area
of
Ottawa.
I
live
almost
40
kilometers
west
of
Karp
well,
I
know
in
some
areas
of
the
city
being
on
the
heritage.
E
My
second
concern
that
I
had
was
that
I
understand.
There's
not
a
lot
of
restrictions
with
this
inventory
project,
but
I
am
concerned
that,
as
time
passes,
councils
change
this
committee
members
change
that
I
we
may
start
getting
more
stringent
conditions,
or
even
you
know
there
may
be
different
phases
of
heritage
which
will
affect
me
in
the
future.
E
The
response
I
received
back
from
the
committee
was
that
it
was
up
to
the
province.
The
province
was
driving
this,
but
in
discussions
with
Miss
Fullerton
who's,
my
local
MPP,
she
told
me
that
it
actually
is
the
mandate
of
the
City
of
Ottawa,
of
how
this
is
how
this
project
is
enforced
again,
and
my
third
concern
when
I
read
through
your
pamphlet,
two
of
the
items
for
the
criteria
war
demonstrates
original
building,
massing,
shape
and
volume
and
any
additions
or
modifications
respect.
E
The
original
form
now
I've
recently
purchased
this
house
about
five
years
ago
and
from
what
I
can
dig
up
through
the
building
records
approximately
early
90s,
the
previous
owner
put
a
fairly
significant
addition
onto
my
house.
It
does
not
match
the
existing
brick
facade.
It's
modern
white
siding
its
increase.
E
The
footprint
by
its
almost
doubled
the
entire
footprint
they
added
a
kitchen
living
room,
bathroom,
mudroom
laundry
room
in
a
two-port
garage,
so
I,
I
I,
put
these
concerns
forward
to
the
committee,
and
the
response
I
got
back
was
because
we're
looking
at
my
property
looking
at
the
front
door,
looking
northward
that
didn't
count.
But
my
house
is
located
in
the
middle
of
a
500
acre
field.
You
can
see
this
addition
from
every
single
direction,
except
if
you're
standing
right
in
the
front
door.
So
I
I
disagree
with
the
response.
E
A
F
D
Thank
you
for
the
question
chair,
so
no
number
of
properties,
in
fact,
many
many
many
properties
on
that
we've
identified
through
the
heritage
inventory
project
have
had
a
duration.
So
you
know
a
lot
of
them
have
been
reclad.
The
roofing
has
changed,
porches
removed,
etc.
But
we
don't
look
at
additions
of
the
rear
of
the
property.
We
don't
go
on
private
property.
D
So
in
order
to
be
consistent
with
our
assessment,
we
only
assess
what
we
can
see
looking
ahead
on
the
property
unless
it's
on
a
corner
lot
and
and
the
house
was
designed
to
kind
of
take
advantage
of
that.
That
corner
like
there
are
many
properties
as
you
approach
them,
especially
in
the
rural
area
that
you
can
see
that
there
are
additions
on
the
back,
I
mean
we
don't
expect
people
to
even
in
18
19th
century
size
houses.
D
F
D
So
something
like
a
porch
that
you
know
if
there
was
a
wraparound
porch
on
a
building
if
it
was
if
it
was
to
be
enclosed,
such
that
the
front
facade
of
the
building
is
hidden
behind
the
addition.
If
a
one-story
addition
was
put
on
to
the
front
the
true
story,
traditional
gothic
cottage
I
fit
projected
out
of
the
front
of
the
building.
If,
if
a
third
story
was
added
to
a
building
that
was
built
as
a
two-story
and
the
roof
line
was
altered
significantly
and
things
like
that,.
G
D
Thank
you
so
the
the
city
it
was.
It
was
a
council
initiative
to
do
the
Heritage
inventory
project
and
to
undertake
that
project
to
update
the
Heritage
Register.
The
Ontario
Heritage
Act
requires
municipalities
to
keep
the
Heritage
Register
properties,
so
the
Heritage
Register
requirement
is
mandated
by
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
the
way
that
we
updated
our
register
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
was
council
direction.
G
D
G
Mr.
chair
would
staff
be
revisiting
the
property
because,
as
we
have,
staff
did
not
go
behind
and
see
the
new
addition
actually
I
believe
there
was
two
additions
if
I
remember
correctly
from
their
presentation
would
start
be
going
back
and
with
the
permission
from
the
from
the
homeowner
to
visit
that
site
staff.
D
We
reviewed
the
photographs
that
we
took
of
the
property
from
the
right-of-way
facing
the
front
of
the
building,
as
is
how
we
we've
assessed
all
of
our
properties.
We
did
take
a
look
at
Google,
Street,
View
kind
of
looking
at
approaching
the
house
from
both
directions
along
the
driving,
Hill
Road
and
again.
For
the
most
part,
the
the
addition
is
is
a
minimal
has
minimal
impact
on
what
is
visible
from
the
right-of-way.
The
one
side,
where
the
addition
is
visible,
if
you
were
to
you,
know,
take
the
side
of
the
house.
D
G
G
A
A
A
This
committee
should
be
stick
to
the
two
criteria
that
we
have
set
and
the
process
that
we
set
for
staff
in
terms
of
reevaluation
x'
and,
in
this
case
I,
would
suggest
to
my
committee
members
that
an
on-site
visit
is
not
going
to
change
staffs
evaluation
or
is
it
part
of
the
process
that
we've
set
as
part
of
the
overall
heritage
review?
We
have
30,000
properties
that
we've
identified
and,
after
today's
meeting
potentially
3,500
is
it
buildings
that
have
been
added
I.
Just
it's
a
point
in
time.
A
Assessment
and
we've
set
the
criteria
to
to
simplify
into
that
streamline
the
process
as
much
as
possible,
and
in
this
case
since
there's
no
new
objection,
nor
is
there
any
new
information.
I,
don't
think
a
site
visit
would
be
warranted.
That
would
be
my
my
opinion.
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
if
any
committee
members
think
otherwise
on
this
one.
H
H
D
Just
wanted
to
ask
staff
mr.
riah
mentioned
that
he's
concerned
that
the
rules
might
change,
and
you
know
new
heritage
programs
might
come
into
place.
That
would
include
his
property
in
a
more
significant
way.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
question
was
addressed
with
him
and
that
he
was
reassured
that
being
on
this
list
does
not
mean
like
a
grandfathered
and
program
in
the
future.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
he
understands
the
implications
and
then
he's
a
shirred
a
little
bit
that
it
won't
affect.
D
It
won't
affect
his
property
in
the
future.
I,
don't
know
if
that
specific
question
was
answered
before
him,
but
thank
you
yeah.
When
we
spoke
at
the
West
Carlton
cloud
service
center
and
then
again
by
email,
a
laid
out
that
was
for
the
Heritage
Register
are
set
by
the
province
under
the
Heritage
Act
and
that
it's
not
up
to
the
city
to
suddenly
blanket
designate.
D
A
All
right,
any
other
questions.
Okay!
Thank
you.
Mr.
Ryan,
our
next
delegation
is
Mark
Alexander
lodge
secretary
for
the
Huntley
loyal
orange
Lodge
number
55,
which
is
at
three
zero:
zero.
Three
Karp
Road
mr.
Alexander
here
this
morning.
I
know
he
had
signed
up
previously,
so
perhaps
with
the
weather
he's
not
able
to
be
here:
okay,
David
Fleming
from
Heritage
Ottawa.
I
What
is
every
minute,
I've
spoken
at
previous
meetings
in
support
of
the
Heritage
Register
and
the
inventory
program
I
want
to
congratulate
staff
for
all
the
fine
work
that
they've
done
on
this
and
I
just
want
to
address
some
of
the
issues
that
have
come
up
prior
to
prior
to
this
meeting.
At
last
meeting,
the
representative
of
one
of
the
property
owners
said
that
he
considered
this
a
tripwire
for
designation
with
the
idea
that
the
city
was
trying
to
identify
all
of
these,
and
eventually
they
would
be
designated
her.
I
The
Ontario,
Heritage,
Act
and
I
just
wanted
to
I
guess
stressed
that
the
opposite
is
true,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
and
what
the
city
is
trying
to
do
is
to
identify
what
our
heritage
cultural
resources
are
potentially
and
the
only
thing
that
this
does.
It
just
gives
the
the
the
city
a
second
chance
to
look
at
a
building
before
and
to
delay
any
demolition.
It
does
not
affect
any
additions
to
the
building.
I
It's
only
deals
with
demolitions
and
what
it
does
is
just
extend
the
period,
so
the
city
get
a
chance
to
look
at
it
and
I.
Think
we
had
a
very
unfortunate
incident
here
last
month
and,
and
there
was
a
there-
was
a
building
that
would
have
been
on
this
list,
but
but
it
was
demolished
because
the
list
was
delayed
at
19,
March
Road,
and
you
realize
what
happened
with
that
one.
I
It's
a
way
of
identifying
cultural
heritage,
cultural
resources,
it's
a
very
positive
thing
and
I
really
don't
think
that
to
argue
that
it
somehow
affects
the
value
of
a
property
means
anything
I
think
it's
what's
pointed
out
that
anytime
anybody
has
ever
applied
to
demolish
a
building,
since
the
since
the
registry
has
has
been
in
effect,
the
demolition
has
been
approved,
so
it's
obviously
not
present
preventing
people
from
demolishing
buildings.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
any
questions
for
mr.
Fleming
all
right.
Thank
you,
David.
Our
next
delegation
is
Michael
Aronson.
Mr.
Aronson
are
you
here
today
at
9:05.
Kaleem
I
also
want
to
point
out.
Our
colleague
counsel
Brockton
pointed
out
that
the
delegation
for
the
Huntley
loyal
orange
Lodge
they're,
not
here
today,
but
they
did
submit
correspondence
to
the
committee.
So
we
have
that
on
file.
Ok,
mr.
Aronson,
it's
9:05,
Kaleem
Avenue,
kil
LEM.
J
Morning
and
thank
you,
we
have
mixed
feelings
about
our
house
being
considered
to
be
added
to
the
registry.
On
one
hand
we
really
enjoy.
Our
house
are
very
proud
of
its
looks
and
have
no
concerns
or
about
its
architectural,
designation.
Okay,
the
concerns
are
more
potentially
financial
in
the
future.
J
J
The
concern
is
not,
for
today
we
like
our
house,
we
plan
to
live
in
it
as
long
as
we
can.
The
concern
is
financial
in
the
future
at
some
point,
when
we
are
no
longer
capable
of
living
in
that
house,
we're
going
to
have
to
sell
it
and
the
money
from
that
house
will
fund
our
care
going
down
the
road
at
this
point
because
of
the
potential
designation
on
the
register
and
as
I've
been
as
it
had
been
explained
to
me
by
city
staff,
that
should
someone
buy
the
house
and
choose
to
demolish
it.
J
The
city
requires
60
days
notice
to
review
the
application
and
at
which
case
they
could
determine
that
and
move
it
to
become
a
heritage
property
which
would
defeat
the
purpose
of
somebody
potentially
to
meet
the
purpose
of
someone
buying
the
house.
Should
they
wish
to
demolish
it
and
build
something
else
in
its
place.
J
That's
where
our
concern
is
not
not
the
the
image
of
the
house,
how
it
looks,
we're
very
proud
of
it,
but
going
down
the
road
and
again,
even
though
provincial
of
the
province
sets
the
master
guidelines
for
it,
there's
nothing
to
say
that
they
couldn't
change
it
in
the
future
to
make
it
more
restrictive
to
people
whose
houses
are
currently
on
the
register.
So
concern
again
is
not
about
it
going
on
the
register.
It's
potentially
what
could
happen
to
it
down?
A
F
You
mr.
chair
I
guess
this
was
the
first
staff
first,
sir.
Well,
if
you're
added
to
the
register,
it's
not
untitled,
it
does
not
impact
the
impact
assessment.
Your
property
value
will
not
go
up
or
down
as
a
result
of
going
on.
The
register.
I
think
the
fear
that
some
owners
have
is
the
perception
of
prospective
purchasers
of
your
home,
of
what
this
may
mean
talk
to
me
about
the
triggering
it
within
the
60-day
period,
where
you
get
the
notification
of
the
intention
of
the
of
the
owner.
K
B
F
F
I
think
that's
fair,
and
we
should
you
know
that's
human
nature,
but
the
facts
are
that
if
you're
added
to
the
registers,
not
untitled
impact
doesn't
know
from
what
I
understand
and
our
job
is
the
chair
and
I've
done
with
staff
and
some
amendments
to
some
of
the
documentation
that
we're
going
to
provide
future
folks
is
to
clarify
with
them
that
yes
there's
a
process.
But
we
don't
see
people
who
own
properties
on
the
register
being
impacted
negatively
and
that's
what
we
have
to
reinforce
with
folks
over
and
over
again.
L
You
chair:
it's
is
the
ward
councillor
for
a
downtown
Ward.
Of
course,
I
have
hundreds
of
properties
that
have
been
designated
I've
got
heritage
overlay,
we're
very
proud
of
all
of
that,
and
I
also
have
many
many
new
addresses
that
have
gone
on
to
the
the
register.
So
I've
I've
had
this
discussion
many
many
times
over
the
last
over
the
last
years.
You
can
you
can
imagine
and
I
guess
you
know,
although
with
an
update
of
the
registry,
rather
it's
not
likely,
but
you
even
if
you
weren't
on
the
registry.
L
If
your
house
has
got
a
heritage
and
cultural
value,
you
can
still
be
added
through
the
same
process.
So
it's
not
the
first
step
to
just
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
and
I
just
want
to
I
think
it's
important
that
that
people
know
that
if
you
know
that
the
register
is
not
a
prerequisite
for
designation,
is
that
correct?
You
can
have
your
home
designator,
whether
you're
on
this
register
or
not
I.
D
L
Thank
you,
I,
just
think
that
that's
important
to
remember
that
if
your
home
does
have
heritage
or
cultural
value
and
it
meets
the
criteria
that
could
still
happen,
this
is
not
a
prerequisite,
is
not
that
first
step
towards
that
and
as
we've
heard
from
staff
and
I
see
it
goes
through
over
my
desk
many
times,
we
do
get
demolition
permits
and
to
date
in
the
last
couple
of
years
they
have
all
been
accepted.
So
I'll
just
leave
that.
Thank
you.
J
A
H
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
hearing
me
I'm,
actually,
not
the
home
owner
of
this
property.
The
property
is
owned
by
my
mother.
I
have
power
of
attorney
for
her
and
I'm,
also
her
realtor,
and
we
had
to
remove
my
other
mother
from
her
home
three
years
ago,
and
my
brother
had
intended
to
demolish
this
property
and
build
a
home
for
his
family.
This
spring,
he
changed
his
mind
and
we
began
to
empty
the
home
and
I
put
the
property
on
the
market,
and
I
saw
a
bit
and
the
property
was
due
to
closed.
H
Today,
however,
the
buyer
discovered
when
they
went
to
the
planning
office
that
the
property
was
due
to
be
added
to
the
registry
today
and
the
buyer
launching
an
extension
on
closing.
So
this
is
a
perfect
example
of
the
potential
buyer
having
concerns
over
what
they
might
be
able
to
do
with
that
property
because
of
the
registry,
and
it
certainly
impacted
the
sale
of
my
mother's
home,
whether
it
actually
goes
through
or
not,
is,
is
still
unknown
at
this
point,
so
that's
one
side
of
things.
H
The
other
is
that
I'm
here
to
request
a
reassessment
of
the
property
because
she
was
not
living
in
the
home.
We
did,
despite
my
efforts
to
collect
her
mail.
I
did
not
receive
a
notice,
so
we've
not
had
an
opportunity
to
go,
and
you
know
registrar
concerns
about
this
property
and
I
do
actually
have
a
number
of
concerns.
H
H
A
A
A
A
M
D
And
thanks
for
the
question,
so
it
depends
on
the
building.
I
mean
if
we,
if
the
house,
you
know,
has
peeling
paint
and
you
know,
window
is
boarded
up
and
some
shingles
are
missing
on
the
roof,
but
everything
is
intact.
We
might.
We
might
say
that
it
meets
our
criteria.
It
demonstrates
original
form
if
there
are
no
additions
or
if
the
additions
respects
the
original
form
of
the
building.
If
all
the
other
elements
are
in
tight,
so
yeah,
we
would
probably
say
that
it
does
need
two
criteria.
Unfortunately,
we
don't
go
inside
buildings.
D
N
Good
morning
morning,
don't
you
mr.
gentleman
apologize
for
being
late,
but
I
had
to
deal
with
a
lot
more
snow
load
south
into
the
city
than
there
is
in
here.
So
today,
I
was
asked
to
come
and
speak
on
behalf
of
mr.
Dale
Wilson.
The
resident
reversible
master
of
Huntley
owns
Lodge
number
55,
that
particular
building
at
our
concerns.
N
It's
only
used
in
the
summer
months
spring
to
fall
and
granted
there's
a
large
lot
there
on
that
corner,
but
it's
not
all
our
property.
Some
of
it
belongs
to
the
United
Church
across
the
street.
So
anyway,
we're
just
objecting
to
being
I,
guess
forced
into
declaring
as
a
heritage.
Building,
yes,
the
warrants
are
for
that
particular
Lodge
was
issued
and
back
in
eighteen
think
it
was
1843
or
something
like
that
or
1839.
So
it
has
been
around
that
they
haven't
always
met
in
that
particular
building
and
that
structure
does
have.
N
It
is
a
two
level
building.
We
need
him.
The
lodge
room
upstairs,
but
the
bottom
part
has
had
some
water
damage
over
the
years
and
we
don't
use
it
at
all,
and
so
we
we
just
object
to
being
classified
at
a
Heritage
Site,
even
though
that
may
be
the
building
does
look
fit.
The
part
I
guess
from
a
visual
look
out
of
it,
and
you
know
so
I'm
just
here
to
object
that
we'd
prefer
not
to
be
part
of.
F
D
Sure,
thanks
for
the
question
so
3003
carb
Road
is
a
concrete
block
structure.
It's
built
on
a
symmetrical
form.
The
main
floor
is
raised.
It's
got
a
evenly
spaced
windows
at
the
front.
It's
located
near
an
intersection.
It's
cop,
Road
and
I
apologize.
I,
don't
know
the
east-west
road,
sorry
Mickey
side,
road
yeah,
so
the
context
is
quite
high.
There
it's
located,
as
as
the
owner
said
across
from
the
church,
so
yeah.
So
it's
got
high
contextual
value
and
high
architectural
value.
D
F
D
H
N
H
Did
mr.
Wilson
have
an
opportunity
to
contact?
You
too,
were
you
able
to
answer
his
concerns?
Certainly
I'm
hearing
a
misunderstanding
with
the
terms
of
the
building
being
classified
as
heritage,
which
is
certainly
not
what
happens
when
the
building
is
added
to
a
register,
there's
a
whole
other
process
that
has
to
be
undertaken
before
a
building
is
classified
as
heritage
entity
on
Theriot
Heritage
Act.
So
could
you
just
maybe
address
that?
Please.
K
Certainly
I
had
a
number
of
email
exchanges
and
phone
calls
with
mr.
Wilson
and
I
think
what
he
meant
by
not
sure
about
yourself,
but
I
know
when
I
spoke
with
mr.
Wilson
on
the
phone,
he
used
the
term
heritage
building
in
terms
of
a
listed
heritage
building,
and
he
was
familiar
with
with
the
difference
but
did
not
want
to
purchase
on
behalf
of
the
lodge
conveyed
to
me
that
he
did
not
wish
to
participate
in
any
any
heritage
project
at
all.
A
I'm
gonna
ask
what
I'm
gonna
recommend
to
the
lodge
is
we
checked
the
heritage
staff
I
think
there's
perhaps
a
bit
of
a
miscommunication
or
lack
of
information
about
what
the
this
Heritage
Register
listening
on.
This
register
actually
means
for
the
lodge
and
any
future
plans
you
may
have
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
reach
out
and
set
up
a
meeting
with
with
the
staff,
and
they
can
review
with
you.
You
know
what
this
does
and
doesn't
mean
in
terms
of
being
added
to
the
register
list.
Okay,
thank
you
for
being
here
this
morning.
C
D
Thanks
for
the
question,
we
did
actually
have
a
slide
that
broke
down
every
report
and
how
many
numbers
were
out.
We
took
it
out
and
for
the
interest
of
time
that's
a
three
Heritage
inventory
project,
we're
estimating
about
3400
were
identified
and
then
added
to
the
register
so
of
the
3900
or
so
on.
The
register
as
a
listed
property
3400
or
so
we're
identified
through
the
Heritage
inventory
projects.
C
K
Correct
thanks
I
would
offer
to
that.
The
scope
of
the
project
was
much
bigger
than
those
30,000.
So
we,
if
you
look
at
the
number
of
properties
in
Ottawa
built
before
1980
in
1980,
was
our
cutoff
year
that
were
not
febrile
and
not
within
federal
campuses,
etc.
That
actually
were
in
school.
The
number
is
is
much
bigger,
so
probably
over
a
hundred
thousand,
but
we
don't
have
a
firm
a
number
on
exactly
how
many
main
buildings
were
reviewed
as
part
of
the
project,
but
it
is
quite
significant.
K
C
Think
it's
important
to
help
us
all
understand
and
put
it
all
into
perspective,
quantitatively
and
and
qualitatively
so
I.
Don't
know
if
I'm
on
comments
part.
Yet
mr.
chair,
whether
you're
asking
for
others
can
I
make
a
few
more
comments
or
absolutely
yep.
Yeah
continue,
I
think
it
is
having
followed
the
Heritage
Register
inventory
project
for
a
number
of
years
now
years
now,
I
think
that
we
ought
to
recognize
that
this
was
a
very
ambitious
project,
with
very
limited
resources
and
in
some
ways
this
is
not
trying
to
be
pejorative.
C
It's
quite
superficial,
I
think
that
the
researchers
know
that
they
didn't
have
the
energy
or
the
resources
to
really
investigate
the
merits
of
each
property
or
evaluate
them
in
a
form
that
will
tell
the
property
owner.
You
know
where
they
stand
in
terms
of
no
heritage
interest
to
being
a
candidate
for
designation
under
part
four.
So
it's
been
a
very
crude
process
in
a
way
and
that's
again
not
being
negative
about
it.
C
It
was
it's
the
nature
of
the
animal,
but
I
think
that
it's
important
to
be
able
to
put
as
much
information
about
the
process
as
possible
kind
of
findings
at
this
point
on
the
city's
website,
so
that
of
those
thousands
of
properties
that
are
now
on
the
register.
People
have
a
better
understanding
of
where
the
process
has
led
to
it
and
the
criteria
that
may
be
used
should
they
apply
for
a
demolition
permit
or
are
concerned
that
their
neighbors
have
a
similar
property
that
has
been
overlooked.
C
So
I
think
that
it's
time
to
focus
on
the
educational.
What
did
we
learn
from
this?
And
what
did
we
overlook
and
be
candid
about
that
and
then
be
alert
to
the
future
as
to
what
may
emerge
when
it
comes
to
redevelopment
of
these
properties
or
moves
to
designate
them
either
by
the
community
groups
or
heritage
districts,
so
on
and
so
forth?
So
I
think
that
status
report
would
be
very
good
and
maybe
even
done
by
a
third
party
so
that
those
close
to
it,
you
know,
can
learn
from
it
as
well.
C
A
F
Thank
You
mr.
chair
just
a
question
for
staff.
We
in
the
spring
received
a
letter
from
the
Catholic
Archdiocese
and
they
objected
to
the
identification
of
a
number
of
their
properties,
mainly
churches,
on
the
list
or
to
be
added
to
the
head
register
list.
Do
you
have
a
feeling
about
what
their
real
concerns
are?
Is
it
similar
to
homeowners
that
at
some
point
they
feel
that
the
property
will
become
you
know.
F
Prohibited
from
any
major
changes,
I
know
in
speaking
with
the
Holy
Cross
parish
in
my
ward,
that
was
their
main
concerns.
They
had
some
upcoming
renovations
or
it's
within
their.
You
know
medium-term
plans
and
they
didn't
want
to
be
handcuffed
in
any
way
to
to
alter
their
property,
but
is
that
the
main
theme
that
you're
getting
I
assume
you've
sat
down
with
them,
given
the
number
of
properties?
Can
you
just
offer
some
comment.
K
In
the
conversations
that
we
had,
one
of
the
largest
concerns
was
a
post
war,
so
anything
after
world
war,
two
so
modern
architecture,
post
war,
churches,
religious
architecture,
in
that
post-war
period
was
something
that
wasn't
recognized,
perhaps
as
being
heritage.
And
so
there
was
certainly
a
disagreement
between
our
criteria
and
looking
at
what
makes
a
modern
church
or
how.
How
different
does
it
look
from
churches
before
the
war
that
kind
of
thing,
and
so
that
was
when,
when
peace
I
took
away
that,
perhaps
we
need
to
to
be
more
clear
on?
K
There
was
concern
and
in
how
it
met
the
context,
and
our
approach
for
all
of
the
villages
was
using
the
Official
Plan
village
boundaries,
and
so,
if
a
building
fell
within
the
Official
Plan
village
boundaries,
we
did
consider
it
contributing
to
the
village
character
in
the
rural
area.
It
is
difficult.
Sometimes,
when
you
drive
to
tell
when
did
I
enter
the
village
when
did
I
leave
it,
it's
just
a
different
density,
but
we
did
stick
consistently
through
all
I,
think
26
villages
to
use
the
Official
Plan
boundaries.
K
F
I
appreciate
that
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
their
letter
because
of
the
quantity
of
properties.
Again
in
my
word,
685
Walkley.
This
is
Holy
Cross,
Roman,
Catholic
parish.
They
say
that
we
again
find
this
building
to
have
few
features
that
merit
its,
including
to
an
important
tool
like
the
registry.
I
am
comfortable
with
the
addition
of
this
church
on
the
registry
and
speaking
with
them
quite
a
while
ago,
trying
to
understand
their
concerns.
Again.
It
was
a
concern
that
it
would
limit
their
ability
to
do
something
with
a
building.
F
A
Any
other
comments,
I
would
like
to
say
thank
you
to
staff
for
their
work
over
the
past
three
years.
On
this
thirty
thousand
buildings,
twelve
thousand
photos
a
citywide
heritage
inventory
for
the
first
time
in
almost
twenty
years
of
an
amalgamated
city.
It's
no
small
feat
and
I
also
appreciative
of
the
lessons
learned
along
the
way
these
reports
were
presented
in
phases
and
I.