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Community and Protective Services - 2022-May-19
Agenda and supporting documents available at www.ottawa.ca/agendas
B
B
Please
note
that
the
meeting
is
also
being
live
streamed
on
the
ottawa
city,
council,
youtube
channel
I'll,
make
sure
to
provide
each
committee.
Member
with
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
comment
on
each
item.
Committee
members
will
be
called
on
first,
followed
by
any
other
members
of
council
who
have
joined
the
meeting,
I'm
pretty
terrible
at
that.
So
if
you
put
your
hand
up,
first
you'll
probably
likely
get
to
go
first,
so
please
go
ahead.
B
B
B
Now
I
do
understand
that
we
did
have
one
delegation
that
had
technical
difficulties
registering.
We
will
allow
them
to
speak
today
on
item
number
one.
If
you
have
technical
difficulties
signing
into
the
meeting.
You
probably
can't
hear
me
saying
this,
but
you
can
you
can
contact
the
clerk's
office
at
committees
at
ottawa
ca
or
by
calling
613-580-2424
extension
41515.
B
C
Thank
you
for
having
me
today.
We're
excited
to
be
able
to
virtually
recognize
the
contributions
the
city
of
ottawa
has
continued
in
drowning
prevention.
Over
the
last
year,
the
societies
recognizes
affiliate
members
who
deliver
the
society's
training
programs,
promote
water,
smart
public
education
and
raise
funds
in
support
of
the
society's
drowning
prevention
mission.
C
Most
of
our
recognition
awards
are
presented
on
the
base
of
points
earned
by
affiliates
who
offer
life-saving
society
programs
point
values
reflect
the
degree
of
difficulty
or
amount
of
training
required
to
achieve
each
level,
including
programming
time.
The
point
system
is
outlined
in
our
annual
report
and
also
on
our
website.
C
C
C
C
The
next
award
we're
presenting
today
is
the
jocelyn
palm
cup
presented
to
the
affiliate,
who
makes
the
most
outstanding
contributions
to
the
society's
national
lifeguard
service.
The
jocelyn
palm
cup
is
inaugurated
in
1980
and
is
named
in
honor
of
the
society's
first
ontario
and
national
executive
director.
C
C
Additionally,
they
promoted
lifeguard
fitness
through
in-house,
stimulated
emergency
response,
competitions
and
weekly
fitness
challenges.
The
city
also
implemented
an
ongoing
cultural,
professional
development
for
their
head
lifeguards
in
areas
of
critical
thinking,
communication
to
customers,
problem
solving
and
more.
This
is
the
second
year
in
a
row.
The
city
of
ottawa
has
earned
this
award.
C
Congratulations.
The
society's
water
smart
award
is
another
honored
earn
on
merit
presented
for
outstanding
community
service
in
drowning
prevention,
education.
The
watersmart
award
is
inaugurated
in
1989
by
the
city
of
north
york
in
2021.
The
city
of
ottawa
brought
water
smart
messaging
to
the
community
by
creating
and
distributing
drowning
prevention,
coloring
books
offering
virtual
programming
during
stay-at-home
orders
and
using
high-profile
partnerships
to
target
multiple
demographics.
C
This
is
the
second
year
in
a
row
that
ottawa
has
earned
this
award.
Congratulations
on
earning
all
three
of
these
outstanding
awards.
I'd
like
to
thank
and
congratulate
all
the
hard-working
staff
of
ottawa
to
continue
all
of
this
hard
work
during
unprecedented
times,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
today.
B
B
I'll
send
you
a
photo
of
it
matt,
no
problem
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
ottawa.
Thank
you
to
the
life-saving
society
for
this
recognition,
we're
so
proud
of
our
lifeguards
here
in
the
city
of
ottawa
and
if
you're,
a
young
person,
or
maybe
a
not
so
young
person
watching
this
today,
we
are
always
recruiting
for
our
beach
and
our
pool
programs
and
we'd
love
to
have
you
who
knows
you
may
end
up
as
the
gm
of
parks
and
recreation
one
day
or
perhaps
a
city
councillor.
B
You
know,
despite
the
ongoing
covet
19
challenges
in
2021,
the
city
of
ottawa
continued
to
offer
a
wide
range
of
life-saving
society.
Certification
programs
which
encouraged
driving
prevention
awareness
and
prepared
ottawa
youth
for
employment
opportunities
at
indoor
and
outdoor
pools,
beaches
and
wading
pools
in
2021,
almost
800
000
people
attended
the
city's
free
supervised
swimming
at
beaches
and
public
wading
pools
city-wide.
That
is
huge
in
2021
lifeguards
at
the
city,
beaches
undertook
over
12
000
interventions
with
the
public
of
those
thousands
of
times
they
interacted
with
beachgoers.
B
B
It
is
16
pages
of
fun
of
sun,
fun,
water
and
bike
safety
messages
in
french
and
english,
including
many
favorite
ottawa
landmarks
to
visit
for
safe
water
fun.
My
daughter
and
I
libby,
but
we
very
much
enjoyed
coloring
it
in
the
city,
provides
safe,
sorry,
self-rescue
equipment
and
signage
at
popular
swimming
places,
and
we
offer
virtual
safeguard
classes
for
parents
and
daycare
workers.
We
now
have
nine
public,
accessible
water
wheelchairs
for
our
beaches,
two
of
them
right
here
in
orleans
at
petrie
island.
B
The
examples
of
stellar
community
service
would
take
me
all
day
to
list
and
I'm
sure
some
of
you
are
already
starting
to
say:
okay,
wrap
it
up
man.
I
just
want
to
say
that
none
of
this
would
be
possible
without
the
hard
work
of
our
dedicated
staff.
I'd
like
to
offer
my
sincere
thanks
to
each
and
every
person
who
contributes
to
ottawa's
life-saving
programs
for
doing
such
an
outstanding
job.
You
make
ottawa's
pools
and
beaches
a
safer
place
for
everyone
to
enjoy.
Thank
you.
E
B
Before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
highlight
some
of
the
agenda
items
that
we'll
consider
today,
public
policy
development
services
have
developed
a
new
bylaw
to
hold
owners
of
vacant
properties
accountable
for
managing
their
vacant
buildings
and
lands
through
a
new
permit
system.
This
bylaw
is
aimed
at
addressing
a
growing
issue.
As
of
october
2021,
there
were
260
known
vatican
vacant
properties
on
the
city's
list,
which
is
a
notable
increase
from
95
properties
in
2013
and
has
resulted
in
growing
demand
for
enforcement
from
the
city.
B
The
proposed
bylaw
also
responds
to
community
concerns.
The
city
has
heard
from
residents
and
business
owners
concerns
about
how
long
properties
remain
vacant
and
about
problems
they
cause
in
neighborhoods,
such
as
improper
maintenance,
garbage
accumulation,
graffiti
vandalism,
pests
and
so
on.
Having
a
bylaw
in
place
to
govern
vacant
sites
could
also
help
prevent
demolition
by
neglect.
B
B
B
They
also
bring
the
city's
regulations
in
line
with
other
municipalities
and
would
improve
the
industry's
ability
to
operate,
provide
service
to
residents
and
visitors
staff
are
on
hand
to
give
us
more
details
on
the
changes
and
several
representatives.
The
tax
industry
have
also
joined
us
as
public
delegations
to
let
us
know
what
they
think
now.
I
realize
these
measures
may
not
go
as
far
as
industry
or
the
union
may
may
like.
B
However,
in
the
last
few
months
of
this
term
is
not
a
time
to
be
doing
a
complete
overhaul
of
our
taxi
industry.
This
is
something
that
should
be
considered
first
thing
when
we
reconvene
we'll
also
receive
an
update
on
crime
prevention,
ottawa's
activities
and
accomplishments
in
2021
from
councillor
diane,
deans
and
executive
director
nancy
warsfold.
B
B
B
B
So
as
we
mentioned
item
number
one
is
the
vacant
property
bylaw.
We
have
three
delegations
on
this.
We
will
hold
this
item
or
so
we
have
four
delegations
on
it
now.
I
believe:
number
two
vehicle
for
hire:
bylaw,
the
amendment
to
insurance
requirements
and
taxi
industry
requests
for
taxi
cab
tariffs,
the
meter
rate
adjustment.
B
Recreation,
cultural
and
facility
services
item
number:
three:
is
community
partnership,
capital
program's
annual
report.
There's
no
presentation
planned
on
this.
Would
anyone
like
to
hold
it
or
is
this
item
carried
carrie
carried?
Thank
you.
Everyone
item
number
four
is
held
for
a
presentation
by
councillor
deans
and
nancy
wallswood.
This
is
the
crime
prevention,
auto
annual
report
and
the
crime
prevention,
auto
board
of
directors
nominations
we
can.
If
you,
if
you'd
like
to,
we
can
carry
item
number
five
unless
counselor
deans.
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
that
yeah
carried
okay,
great.
E
B
B
Yeah
great
entirely
reasonable,
we'll
hold
that
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Okay.
So
moving
on
to
item
number
one,
the
vacant
property
of
bylaw
we're
being
asked
today
to
approve
the
proposed
vacant
property
bylaws
described
in
the
report,
the
general
form
set
out
in
document
one
and
two
full-time
equivalence
to
bylaw
regulatory
services
to
enforce
and
administer
the
vacant
property
bylaw
to
be
funded
on
a
cost
recovery
basis
from
permit
fees
as
further
described
in
the
report.
B
There
are
further
amendments
to
the
property
standards
bylaw
to
address
pest
control,
grading
and
drainage,
foliage
standards,
vacant
properties
and
amendments
to
the
board
up
bylaw
as
well
to
address
any
unauthorized
occupancy
of
accessory
structures.
We
have
ryan
perrault,
valerie,
bietlow
and
jared
reilly
to
present
so
over
to
you.
C
Policy
development
services
led
by
valerie
bietlow,
is
presenting
staff
recommendations
for
new
vacant
property
regulations
following
its
review
of
the
city's
vacant
building
strategy.
However,
before
we
present
the
staff
report,
I
would
like
to
briefly
take
a
moment
to
highlight
some
of
the
work
undertaken
by
miss
biatlow
and
her
team
during
this
term
of
council.
C
Finally,
I
would
like
to
mention
the
important
work
undertaken
this
term
by
the
community
safety
and
well-being
team
within
public
policy
development
services.
This
team
developed
the
first
community
safety
and
well-being
plan
for
the
city
of
ottawa
and
successfully
managed
its
transition
to
the
community
and
social
services
department.
C
I'm
very
proud
of
this
team's
work.
Despite
the
challenges
that
arose
from
the
pandemic,
such
as
performing
this
type
of
work
in
a
virtual
environment,
the
team
persevered
to
help
achieve
council's
priorities
on
behalf
of
general
manager,
kim
ayotte
I
would
like
to
take.
I
would
like
to
congratulate
them
on
their
significant
accomplishments.
This
term.
H
I'm
joined
today
by
jared
reilly,
who
was
the
policy
lead
on
this
file?
I'm
also
joined
today
by
leslie,
collins
and
court,
curry
from
planning
real
estate
and
economic
development
and
joseph
mahoney
from
the
financial
services
department
who
can
provide
information
from
their
respective
areas
of
expertise
regarding
vacant
buildings
and
vacant
lands.
H
We
also
conducted
a
review
of
municipal
service
requests
for
vacant
buildings
and
vacant
lands
in
order
to
better
understand
the
nature
of
the
complaints
that
were
received
and
the
concerns
that
the
city
hears
from
the
community
about
vacant
properties,
as
well
as
to
understand
the
demand
that
these
vacancies
have
on
city
services
and
the
analysis
of
this
data
is
contained
in
our
report.
As
document
4.,
our
consultations
have
included
members
of
the
development
industry,
the
real
estate
sector
and
landlords,
as
well
as
a
small
number
of
current
vacant
building
and
vacant
lot
owners.
H
H
H
The
216
properties
on
the
cities
list
include
205
residential
units
staff.
Note
that
110
of
these
properties
on
the
city's
list
have
development
applications
or
plans
on
file.
There
are
also
96
properties
on
the
city's
list
that
have
no
known
development
plans.
Some
of
these
properties
appear
to
have
been
dormant
for
a
number
of
years.
H
Mr
chair
heritage
properties
are
included
in
the
proposed
permit
regime
to
ensure
that
they
are
identified
under
this
regime,
that
their
condition
is
proactively
assessed
and
that
the
owners
are
accountable
for
their
condition
so
that
heritage
resources
can
be
protected
and
that
demolition
by
neglect
can
be
avoided
next
slide.
Please.
H
The
cornerstone
of
staff's
recommendations
is
a
permit
regime
for
vacant
properties,
including
heritage
properties,
as
set
out
in
the
draft
by-law.
This
proposed
regime
will
increase
owner
accountability
for
vacant
properties
and
introduce
key
obligations
to
mitigate
the
negative
impacts
that
vacancy
can
cause
on
surrounding
communities.
H
Vacant
property
owners
will
have
to
obtain
a
yearly
permit
when
their
building
or
land
becomes
vacant.
They
will
have
to
hold
that
permit
during
the
entire
life
of
the
vacancy
of
the
property
until
it's
reoccupied
or
is
being
used
for
a
purpose
consistent
with
zoning
staff
are
proposing
some
limited
exemptions
to
this
permit
regime.
However,
properties
that
are
principal
residences
will
not
require
a
vacant
property
permit
in
order
to
account
for
snowbirds
or
for
owners
that
are
away
for
long
periods
of
time
due
to
work
or
for
other
reasons.
H
H
We're
also
proposing
exemptions
for
cottages
and
seasonal
homes,
as
well
as
vacant
properties
in
rural
zones
other
than
rural
villages
and
rural
residential
zones.
These
vacancies
do
not
tend
to
cause
the
negative
impacts
that
other
vacant
properties
can
have
and
that
we
are
trying
to
address
under
the
regulations.
H
H
These
fees
will
provide
complete
cost
recovery
for
two
additional
property
standards.
Officers
who
will
conduct
two
proactive
inspections
of
vacant
buildings
and
vacant
lands
per
year.
Address
service
requests
and
conduct
enforcement,
as
required
staff
are
also
proposing
a
two-year
permit
exemption
in
specific
circumstances
where
we
want
to
include
those
vacant
buildings
or
lands
in
the
permit
regime.
But
we
need
to
be
compassionate
about
the
particular
circumstances
of
the
owner.
H
The
permit
regime
is
expected
to
improve
the
identification
of
vacant
buildings
and
vacant
lands
across
the
city
and
improve
data
collection
about
them.
Staff
will
be
working
with
other
departments
to
share
opportunity
to
find
opportunities
to
share
data
about
vacant
properties,
to
assist
those
other
departments
in
their
business
lines
where
they
work
with
vacant
properties
as
well.
H
However,
the
amendments
to
the
property
standards
bylaw
and
the
board
up
bylaw
could
be
implemented
immediately
once
the
permit
system
is
in
place.
As
I
said,
select
data
on
vacant
properties
will
be
shared
where
possible,
with
other
city
departments,
to
support
their
business
lines
and
assist
them
in
addressing
their
issues
concerning
vacant
properties.
B
D
D
B
D
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
proposed
vacant
property
bylaw
be
amended
to
require
the
owner
to
maintain
civic
numbering
on
the
vacant
building
and
vacant
land
in
accordance
with
the
requirements
of
the
addressing
bylaw
by
one
adding
the
following
definition.
To
section
one
of
the
proposed
bylaw
addressing
bylaw
means
the
addressing
bylaw
of
the
city
of
ottawa,
bylaw
number
2014-78,
as
amended
and
or
any
successor
bylaw.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
this
motion.
We
work
with
staff
on
it,
so
be
it
resolved
that
the
proposed
vacant
property
by
lobbying
amended
by
one
add
in
the
following
subsection
to
section
4,
with
respect
to
permit
for
baking
property
and
registered
plans
of
subdivision
five,
not
withstanding
subsection
one,
the
owner
of
more
than
one
vacant
block
or
law.
I
On
a
plan
of
subdivision
registered
on
or
after
january,
1st
21st
at
2001,
basically
maybe
obtain
one
permit
for
all
vacant
laws
and
blocks
owned
by
the
owner
within
that
subdivision
other
than
those
law
and
blogs
for
which
an
occupancy
permit
has
been
issued.
Two
add
in
the
following
item
to
schedule:
a
as
a
follow
by
law,
additional
subdivision
log
or
block
fee
25
per
block
or
lot
for
one
year.
That's
one
motion,
mr
chair.
I
The
other
one
is
the
speaking
with
staff
and
legal
on
on
this
one
because,
as
we
all
know,
sometimes
we
hold
property
for
school
or
for
city
park,
so
be
it
resolve
that
that
proposed
baking
property
by
law
be
amended
by
adding
an
exclusion
in
subsection.
Seven
one
for
lands
located
in
a
plan
of
subdivision
that
are
reserved
as
a
future
school
site
or
park
locations.
B
B
B
Both
have
been
shared
in
the
counselors
shared
the
counselor's
sharepoint
and
shared
drive,
and
if
we
can
ensure
that
the
emotions
that
were
just
presented
are
distributed
to
community
members,
either
via
sharepoint
or
via
email,
so
they
can
be
considered
throughout
the
debate.
So
over
to
you,
miss
parrot.
E
E
E
Maintaining
adequate
insurance
is
vital
and
we
suspect
most
of
the
vacant
buildings
have
no
insurance
and
that
transfers
the
risk
to
neighbors
should
there
be
a
fire
building
and
hit.
Buildings
in
hintonburg
are
often
built
just
two
to
four
feet
apart,
so
a
fire
in
one
building
will
affect
neighboring
buildings.
E
E
We
support
the
new
enforcement
tools
outlined
in
this
report
and
we
also
support
the
idea
of
a
concierge
service
to
provide
a
one-stop
information
for
owners
of
vacant
properties,
and,
if
you
could
just
go
to
this
slide
is
good.
So
this
this
building
has
been
vacant
for
about
10
years.
There's
dumping,
there's
weeds
graffiti,
broken
into
yet
one
more
time
about
a
week
ago
and
next
slide.
E
Please
this
one
has
been
empty
only
for
about
a
year
and
it's
already
been
broken
into
three
times
in
that
time
period,
but
you
can
also
see
the
state
of
it
if
you're
living
across
the
street
or
beside
it.
Next
slide,
please
this
one
was
empty
for
about
four
years,
garbage
weeds
broken
into
once
next
slide.
E
B
G
Thanks
so
much
chair,
I
appreciate
the
time
to
speak
to
you
all
today,
as
per
my
written
submission.
What
we're
really
looking
for
here
is
an
exclusion
of
lots
under
subdivision
plans
of
subdivision
to
be
not
applicable
under
the
bylaw.
It
is
not
something
that
was
discussed
with
industry
or
made
clear
by
with
industry
during
consultations
over
the
past
few
months.
G
Certainly,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
vacant
buildings
and
derelict
lots
within
the
built-up
area,
but
we
were
very
surprised
to
see
within
the
draft
bylaws
released
nine
days
ago
now
that
this
would
include
lots
under
plans
of
subdivision
and
lots.
Really,
you
know
under
development
applications
that
clearly
I
don't
think
anyone
who
asked
for
this
work
to
be
done
would
have
considered
to
be
public
nuisances
or
pieces
that
were
concerns
of
health
and
safety.
I
you
know,
I
don't
think
that
that
really
covered.
G
My
prime
example
of
that
is
the
cost
that
counselor
al
shantiri
has
now
brought
up
of
when,
as
it's
currently
written
the
individual,
each
individual
lot
within
a
subdivision
would
be
subject
to
the
permit
fee.
Seventeen
hundred
dollars,
if
you
were
looking
at
that
now,
you
know
two
hundred
a
two
hundred
unit
development
would
be
two
thousand
dollar.
G
You
know
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
cost
every
year
on
that
now
clearly
I
know
that
that
wasn't
the
intent
of
this
bylaw
and
I
appreciate
staff's
efforts
to
come
to
a
compromise
on
what
that
cost
would
be.
It
would
also
apply
to
school,
like
lions,
that
we
are
legally
required
to
hold
on
to
like
schools
like
parks.
G
So
if
a
piece
of
land
for
a
school
board
is
sitting
with
the
developer
for
seven
years,
that
is
seventeen
hundred
dollars
every
year
and
maintenance
and
all
the
other
items
that
still
come
with
this
permit
by
the
way
that
would
be
required
and
added
on
to
the
cost
there.
I
know
that
wasn't
the
intention
of
council
when
they
asked
again
for
this
work,
so
I'm
appreciative
that
these
things
have
been
put
on
the
floor
to
be
excluded.
G
G
So
it's
it's
not
something
it's
another
piece
that
I
you
know
want
to
explore
more.
I
don't
have
enough
time
to
get
into
now,
but
I
certainly
will
we're
happy
to
see
the
ball.
I'm
not
trying
to
delay
the
bylaw,
I'm
not
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
want
it
to
target
the
issues
that
were
that
it
was
meant
to
target
right
now.
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
you
know
a
lot
of
overreach
and
a
lot.
G
I
G
G
So
I
understand
that
certain
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
for
derelict
properties
and
derelict
lots.
However,
it's
also
right
now
encompassing
every
infill
project.
That's
going
to
happen
in
this
city
and,
of
course,
as
my
favorite,
my
favorite
subject
is
the
official
plan.
So
I'm
going
to
tie
it
back
to
that.
This
official
plan
is
calling
for
195
000
homes
across
the
city
to
be
built
over
the
next
25
years.
G
A
quarter
of
those
45
000
homes
are
supposed
to
be
from
intensification
in
existing
neighborhoods,
so
staff
are
count
what
staff
are
counting
on
those
45
000
homes
to
come
by
converting
15
000
homes
to
three
three
unit?
Multi-Family
buildings?
Fine,
that's
that's
not
the
issue
here.
The
issue
is
as
soon
as
that
piece
of
lead
is
sold
to
a
developer,
to
tear
down
that
home,
or
it
may
do
major
conversions
to
a
through
to
a
three
unit
family
unit.
G
The
vacancy
tax
permit
is
going
to
apply
because
it
also
right
now
applies
to
the
time
that
covers
construction,
so
now
you're,
adding
seventeen
hundred
dollars
to
every
project
every
one
of
those
projects
that
the
city
is
counting
on
to
do
a
quarter
of
the
house
of
the
infill
housing.
You
know
that
gentle
density
housing
that
it
was
counting
on
for
in
existing
neighborhoods.
So
again,
it's
always
my.
I
feel
it's
certainly
my
job
to
point
out
anytime.
I
We
understand
you,
you
know
everyone
pass.
You
know
past
the
cost
to
the
you
know
to
the
homeowner.
We
understand
that,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
you
just
heard
the
previous
represented
talking
about
you
know
those
home
been
left
and
maybe
some
of
them
could
be
bought
by
developer
or
investor,
I'm
not
sure
who.
So
what
is
the
solution
to
that?
So.
G
So
let
me
clarify
I'm
certainly
if,
if
it's
been
bought
by
a
developer-
and
it's
been
sitting
there
for
four
months
right
now,
there's
a
four
month
a
a
a
four
month
waiting
period
before
the
permit
would
kick
in.
If
it's
been
sitting
there
for
four
months
and
permits
are
ready
and
no
one
is
doing
anything
anything
with
it,
absolutely
hit
them
with
hit
them
with
the
the
permit,
bylaw
and
make,
and
that
should
certainly
apply.
G
But
if
it's
been
changed
over
to
a
developer
or
to
a
builder
to
convert
into
a
multi-family
and
it's
an
active
building
site
people
are
on
it
every
day.
You
know
doing
the
development
right
then,
and
there
that's
that's.
I
don't
know
who
says
that's
still
a
vacant
home.
That's
going,
you
know,
that's
a
nuisance
property.
It's
clearly.
You
know
already
in
progress
to
be
built
and
and
be
developed.
So
if,
if
it's
an
active
building
site,
there's
no
reason
why
it
should
have
to
pay
the
permit
fee.
G
I
J
Great
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
jason
for
your
delegation
today.
I
think,
obviously
I
think
probably
this
upcoming
election
housing
affordability
is
certainly
a
front
burner
for
many
people,
and
I
I
hear
your
point
when
it
comes
to
this
and
hopefully
the
work
of
eli
and
working
with
myself.
These
two
motions
will
help
solve
these
issues
because
I
think
you're
correct.
J
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
related
to
do
you
feel
these
motions
are
going
to
help
with
that
unintended
consequence
that
you're
speaking
of
and
the
second
one
is
related
to.
How
long
have
you
been
working
on
this
bylaw
with
staff?
We've
always
had
a
great
relationship
with
goba,
and
you
know
it
seems
like
there's
some
concern
about.
Is
it
eight
days
two
months?
G
Sure,
well,
to
answer
the
first.
Yes,
I
do
think
it's
it's
going
to
resolve
a
lot
of
the
concern.
Again.
No
one
wants
to
see
an
additional
200,
000
or
more
dollars.
You
know
included
on
the
cost
of
doing
any
size
subdivision,
and
so
the
the
the
brief
timeline
of
consultations
here
is
staff.
Approached
me
about
the
end
mid
end
of
january.
G
To
start
talking
about
this,
we
invited
them
to
come
to
urban
infill
council.
Many
many
of
you
know
a
lot
of
the
players
on
that,
specifically
again,
because
the
discussion
was
about
vacant
buildings
and
derelict
lots
within
the
built
the
built
area.
At
the
time
we
had
that
discussion.
That
was
great
at
no
time
did
staff
kind
of
turn
to
us
and
say
hey
by
the
way.
G
Are
you
sure
none
of
the
greenfield
builders
or
suburban
builders
want
in
on
this
conversation,
because
it's
going
to
affect
their
lots
too,
like
there
was
a
there,
was
an
opportunity
to
bring
that
up.
That
never
happened.
I
provided
written
comments
back
after
this
after
our
urban
infill
council
meeting.
Again
still,
you
know
it
wasn't
brought
to
attention
again
we're
just
responding
to
what
staff
had
talked
about
at
that
point
then
mid-march.
They
issue
a
white
paper,
a
discussion
paper
and
a
questionnaire
about
it.
G
The
cover
note
to
that
white
paper
still
says:
building
a
vacant
building
strategy
review
and
the
paper
and
questions
that
are
circulated,
I'm
happy
to
provide
a
copy
to
anyone,
references
land,
you
know
three
times
and
it
certainly
doesn't
provide
any
context
that
this
is
going
to
encapsulate
suburban
development
as
well.
So
again
you
know
reading
into
it.
That
was
that's
all
the
context
we
had.
I
know
that
at
least
one
builder
who
does
both
infill
and
suburban
building
did
respond
to.
G
That
questionnaire
did
have
their
own
private
consultation
with
staff,
and
I
had
to
reach
out
and
ask
them
yesterday
say
when
you
did
these
things
like?
Did
you
get
any
any
feeling
or
any
indication
that
this
was
also
going
to
encapsulate
these?
These
subdivision
or
eight
lots
under
subdivision,
and
he
said
no
absolutely
not
we
are.
G
We
were
under
understanding
that
it
was
all
vacant
buildings,
so
the
first
real
indication
that
we
had
gotten
that
this
was
going
to
uncover
these
kind
cover
these
kinds
of
lands
wasn't
until
the
draft
bylaw
was
released
ahead
of
this
meeting,
which
was
the
10th
of
may.
I
then
this
was
this
issue
was
then
identified.
I
turned
around
turned
around
and
went
back
to
staff
on
friday,
the
13th
to
say
hey.
This
is
an
issue
for
charging
individual
lots.
They
said
they
would
look
at
it
and
come
back
to
me
on
tuesday.
G
They
finally
got
back
and
said:
okay,
here's
the
here's,
the
consequence
or
here's
the
compromise
on
the
fees,
but
we
still
very
much
want
the
permit
system
to
apply
to
vacant
lots
within
under
plans
of
subdivision,
and
you
know
either
24
hours
to
get
get
an
indication
either
way
on
a
response
from
member.
You
know
the
membership
that
I
have
just
isn't
simply
efficient
sufficient
time
for
me
to
be
able
to
do
that,
especially
you
know
two
days
before
may
24
weekend.
So
we
haven't
been
able
to.
G
J
Oh,
and
I
appreciate
that,
and
thank
you
for
bringing
it
to
our
attention,
I
mean
we
always
like
to
keep
good
relations
with
with
our
with
our
goba
folk
and
we
want
to
ensure
we're
all
swimming
in
the
same
direction.
So
on
that,
I
do
share
your
concern
about
the
infill
bylaw
when
that
comes
up.
I
think
that
is
where
this.
What
we're
doing
today
is
really
going
to
have
an
impact
I
have.
J
I
have
infills
in
my
community
that
literally
have
gone
on
for
three
years,
and
we
have
no
stick
to
be
able
to
deal
with
these
situations
and
it's
driving
me
absolutely
bananas.
So,
while
the
base
motion,
I'm
quite
supportive
of
I'm
happy
to
see,
thank
you,
councillor
lula,
el
shantiri,
for
bringing
these
forward,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
we're
doing
the
best
we
can
for
our
city.
So
thank
you
very
much
jason
for
joining
us
today.
Thank.
K
D
Jason,
thank
you
for
your
delegation.
I
I
I
understand
the
problem.
I
think
the
tool
used
is
probably
the
wrong
one
from
my
perspective,
so
I
want
to
understand:
are
you
not
trying
to
if,
if
one
of
your
members
has
land
or
property,
what
they're
doing
is
planning
to
build
and
and
the
impetus
of
keeping
a
vacant
building
is
a
demolition?
D
So
isn't
your
challenge
to
say:
hey
until
we
get
the
full
approvals
and
the
projects
are
underway.
What
we're
looking
for
is
to
advance
a
demolition,
and
so
so
I
I'm
seeing
your
head
nod,
I'm
saying
well,
that
was
part
of
my
questions
to
staff.
Is
that
we're
there?
We
have
a
demo
bylaw,
which
is
complex.
D
I
understand
its
historic
need
for
it.
I
understand
its
continued
need,
specifically
for
heritage
property
properties,
but
I
question
I
question
the
motions
here
and
I
wonder:
are
we
going
after
the
wrong
aspects
like
why?
Why
won't
you
ask
for
a
portion
of
a
waiver
to
the
demo
control
for
purposes
of
development
which
ultimately
would
make
you
make
your
members
not
because,
ultimately,
the
problem
we
have
is
a
real
problem,
which
is
if
a
building
is
vacant?
D
G
G
Basically,
it's
tied
to
also
having
a
building
permit
for
whatever
you're
going
to
build
next,
so
in
fact,
goba
did
suggest
both
to
the
staff
that
are
doing
this
spot.
This
bylaw
and
the
staff
that
did
the
vacant
unit
bylaw
as
well
to
say
you
know,
you've
got
the
city
has
got
to
divorce
a
demolition
permit
from
a
building.
Permit
that's
right!
Now.
G
You
basically
need
like
special
dispensation
to
be
able
to
knock
down
a
building,
even
if
it's,
even
if
it's
derelict
before
you
know,
without
a
subsequent
building
permit
for
what
you're
going
to
do
next.
So
if
it's
a
if,
if,
if
buildings,
if
vacant
buildings
that
are
derelict,
are
a
magnet
for
these,
you
know
public
nuisance
and
health
and
safety
and
everything
else,
then
the
city
has
really
got
to
maneuver
and
separate
that
demolition
approvals
process.
From
the
new
build
process
and
bringing
that
up,
I
brought
that
again.
D
If,
if
the
report
as
is,
gets
clearer
directions
on
the
demo,
the
demo
aspects
of
it,
then
I
think
it
keeps
everyone
accountable,
because
ultimately,
no
counselor
wants
to
see
a
vacant
building,
that's
at
risk
of
fire
or
risk
of
encampments
or
so.
Okay
can
I
capture
just
so
I
capture.
I
understand
that
why
the
motions
were
presented,
I
think
they're
in
good
faith.
But
ultimately
your
issue
is,
with
with
the
demo
control
aspects
of
this.
G
No,
that's
a
separate,
that's
a
separate
item,
the
there's,
a
there's
lots
that
are
under
plans
of
subdivision,
like
in
suburban
developments,
which
again
I
don't
think
anyone
considers
to
be
nuisance,
properties
right
that
other
development
isn't
around
or
it's
you
know
again
under
a
plan
of
subdivision.
So
it's
a
big,
bigger
piece
of
property,
but
I
do
agree
and
members
would
welcome
changes
to
the
demolition
bylaw
that
allowed
you
to
to
demo
a
building
without
a
subsequent
building
permit
already
lined
up.
D
D
I
have
no
issues
with
emotion,
but
I
don't
think
they
apply
necessarily
to
my
area,
so
I'd
love
to
exclude
my
area
frankly
from
it,
because
I
do
think
there's
some
risks,
but
I'm
I'm
in
favor
and
I'll
be
asking
staff
relating
to
reviewing
of
the
demo
control,
which
I
I
think
has
become
a
little
outdated
and
needs
some
refinement.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
delegation.
B
L
L
Usually
these
are
suburban
areas,
although
they
can
be
urban
areas
as
well
depends
on
what
the
property
is.
If
it's
new
property
without
having
had
built
on
before
the
plan
of
subdivision
exists,
is
your
concern
that
plan
of
subdivision
staying
with
no
buildings
on
it
or
when
the
buildings
are
starting
to
be
constructed
and
then
may
not
be
finished
in
the
future
just
to
if
you
could
just
separate
those
two
for
me.
G
The
way
we
understand
that
the
way
the
bylaw
would
apply
right
now,
all
the
lots
in
a
sub
in
a
subdiv
in
a
plan
of
subdivision,
whatever
their
stat,
whatever
their
state
is,
would
be
subject
to
the
vacant.
Vacant
properties,
bylaw
and
therefore
would
be,
you
know,
have
to
pay.
The
fee
have
to
do
all
the
the
obligations
underneath
it
as
well
and
again
as
it
was
written
or
certainly
as
it
was
distributed
a
week
ago.
G
That's
seventeen
hundred
dollars
for
every
individual
lot,
lots
that
you
know
already
have
are
already
registered
as
individual
properties,
lots
that
are
already
paying
property
taxes
right
by
the
developer,
like
those
are
yeah
that
that
is
the
issue
is
that
the
vacancy
permit
would
apply
to
each
one
of
those
individual
lots
right
away
and
again
I
I
just.
I
don't
believe
that
count
that
those
were
the
kinds
of
vacant
land
that
council
was
thinking
of
when
they
asked
for
this
work
to
be
done.
Okay,.
L
G
If
you've
got
a
plan,
that's
been
approved
and
all
the
lots
are
subdivided
and
ready
to
go.
You
are
losing
money
by
not
building
on
them
right.
You
need
to
you
need
to
sell
those
lots,
build
those
houses
and
move
on
with
your
life.
Builders
are
not
in
the
job
of
holding
on
to
land
they're
in
the
job
of
building
homes,
so
I
don't
see
it
as
an
incentive
to
push
building
faster
again,
it's
going.
G
All
it
is,
is
a
punitive
measure
to
those
types
of
lots
that
were
again
aren't
a
public
nuisance,
aren't
a
health
and
safety
hazard,
and
it's
only
going
to
increase
the
cost
for
all
those
new
homes
and
increase
the
cost
for
land.
That's
related,
like
again
parks
and
schools,
which
you
have
to
hold
on
to
as
part
of
that
subdivision
agreement.
L
There
is
more
of
a
an
incentive
there
I'll
be
interested
in
getting
staff's
view
of
it
and
and
why
they've
landed
here.
Are
you
aware
of
the
other
jurisdictions
that
do
this?
Well
with
the
vacant
property?
Bylaw?
Are
you
aware
in
those
jurisdictions
if
they
have
permitting
systems
of
this
sort
for
plans
of
subdivision.
G
G
M
Thanks
chair
thanks,
jason
nice
to
nice,
to
see
you,
it's
been
a
while
yeah
just
because
we're
not
not
in
person,
so
we
don't
run
into
each
other.
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
I
I
I
I
understand
your
rationale,
certainly
around
plans
of
subdivision,
but
you're
not
you're,
not
necessarily
opposed
to
the
the
permit
applying
to
vacant
lots
like
in
in
in
the
you
know,
in
the
built-up
areas
being
underneath
this
regime:
okay.
Okay,
no.
G
M
F
I
do
notice
that
the
land
ends
up
to
be
a
bit
of
a
garbage
dump,
because
people
are
throwing
stuff
in
there.
They
figure
somebody's
going
to
clean
it
up
eventually,
with
this
particular
parcel.
So
would
the
school
board
be
responsible
for
the
per
permit?
Under
the
current
recommendations,
the
school
board
would
be
subject
to
the
the
permit
fee
is.
Is
that
what
we're
looking
at
here?
But
it
would
that,
would
that
be
fair
to
say.
G
This
held
a
piece
of
land
which
again
they
legally
have
to
do
the
right
now,
let
unless
the
the
amendment
goes
through,
they'd
be
paying
the
vacancy
permit
doing
the
upkeep
and
everything
else
like
that,
once
it
was
transferred
over
to
the
school
board
right
now,
the
school
board
would
have
to
get
its
own
permit
right
and
and
pay
the
fee
and
do
everything
else,
there's
no
ability
for
a
developer
or
whomever
owned.
You
know
any
land
to
transfer
to
the
next
ownership.
F
Interesting.
Okay,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
to
light.
I
do
I
do
feel,
though,
like
counselor,
al
shanteria
was
suggesting
that
I
think
we
have
to
continue
working
with
staff
to
to
address
this
in
some
because
the
demolition,
obviously
the
demolition
permit,
really
has
no
relevance
for
the
suburban
awards
like
mine,
but
I
don't
think
it's
fair
that
if
we
designate
a
piece
of
land
it
should
be
subject
to
fees
because
there's
there
is
no,
there
is
no.
F
B
C
C
A
C
C
B
F
Yes,
my
promotion
to
panelists
took
a
long
time
and
I'm
very
sorry
I
am
the
lead
comer.
I
appreciate
very
much
the
chance
to
speak
to
you.
I
will
be
hearing
appearing
on
behalf
of
heritage
ottawa
to
commend
this
bylaw
to
you
in
terms
of
the
protection
it
offers
to
heritage
vacant
heritage
properties
and
lands.
F
So
I
I
won't
go
into
all
of
the
details
in
my
in
my
submission,
but
I
hope
you
will
go
and
have
a
look
at
it,
because
there
are
some
very
important
aspects
with
relation
to
heritage
that
you
should
perhaps
consider
it
was
a
long
report
and
you
had,
I
didn't
read
all
of
the
bylaws
or
the
the
appendices
which
you
will
have
to
read.
So
I
think
it
is.
Accountability
is
certainly
one
of
the
the
best
things
about
this
by-law,
as
the
other
speakers
from
communities
have
said.
F
Not
knowing
who
to
call
is
very
makes
it
difficult
for
neighbors
to
monitor
the
heritage
properties
in
their
neighborhood
and
many
neighborhoods
are
very
concerned
about
their
heritage
designated
properties.
They
often
contact
heritage
ottawa
about
what
can
they
do
about
it?
The
the
name
of
the
owner
municipal
address,
of
course,
is
important
and
the
the
way
that
people
can
get
in
touch
with
the
owner
is
is
very
important.
F
I
know
there
is
monitoring
going
on
at
the
moment,
but
it
is
not
every
two
weeks
and
I'm
not
certain
about
the
photographs.
That
was
an
interesting
aspect.
The
bylaw
requires
that
photos
be
taken
on
every
inspection,
so
this
will,
which
will
help
establish
whether
or
not
there
is
deterioration
happening.
F
B
C
Okay,
yeah,
sorry,
the
reason
I'm
here
today
is
I.
I
was
not
really
involved
with
the
vacant
building
review
or
consultation
throughout
of
it
until
very
late.
After
the
white
paper
questionnaire
and
consultation
came
out,
and
when
I
was
looking
at
the
questions
that
it
struck
me
with
when
they
came
to
the
exemptions
that
a
person
or
an
owner,
who'd
gone
to
care
is
exempted
from
this
permit
fee,
and
I
needed
to
talk
to
staff
so
from
my
discussion
with
staff
about
this
it.
My
understanding
is
it.
C
It
will
be
required
from
anyone
who
any
owner,
whether
owner
or
renter.
To
be
honest,
that's
what
I
gained
anyway,
as
if
they
leave
the
property
for
more
than
or
for
more
than
a
year,
they
will
be
required
to
get
a
permit.
So
I
wanted
to
bring
this
to
your
attention
because
you
know
if
I
were
to
leave
overseas
for
work
and
come
back
within
the
year.
C
Like
one
of
my
teachers
did
a
retired
teacher,
I
will
not
be
required
to
get
a
permit
as
traffic
explained
to
me,
but
if
I
were
to
go
overseas
and
spend
more
than
a
year,
then
I
will
be
required
to
get
this
permit
and
I'm
not
really
sure
if
this
is
what
the
intention
of
this
permit
was
because
if
I'm
leaving
my
belongings
in
that
place,
I'm
not
thinking
it's
a
vacant
building
or
vacant
property.
So
could
you
clarify
from
staff,
because
this
will
hit
every
person?
C
It
could
actually
lead
to
discrimination
if
people
have
to
go
travel
for
work-
and
I
know
the
exemption
is
for
temporary
travel
and
snowbirds.
But
what
about
people
like
you
know?
I
went
overseas
for
two
years
when
I
got
married.
I
didn't
have
a
property
here,
but
if
I
did
under
this
bylaw
would
I
be
required
to
get
a
permit.
C
C
Yet,
at
the
same
time,
they're
requiring
to
have
the
contact
information
of
the
owner
or
property
management
put
on
every
vacant
property,
and
I
I
think
that
could
lead
to
another
safety
concern.
I
know
there
is
a
lot
of
examples
they
give
in
hamilton
that
it
works,
but
I
think
it
would
be
best
to
keep
this
information
private
with
the
city
bylaw,
that
they
could
contact
the
person
or
maybe,
with
community
association,
not
necessarily
put
up
as
a
sign.
This
is
a
vacant
property
or
vacant
building.
B
D
D
D
So
I'd
love
to
hear
your
comments
relating
to
the
two
motions
to
to
wave
particular
elements
for
development
properties
and
wondering
I'm
sure,
you've
heard
my
question
to
jason
relating
to
demo
control.
If
you
could,
if
you
could
respond
to
to
some
of
those
challenges
which
keep
vacant
buildings
up
for
infill
vacant
and
the
same
level
of
risk
that
you've
identified
in
the
report
for
longer
so
wondering
if
you're
able
to
maybe
address
those
two
elements.
H
The
intent
of
staff
with
these
regulations
was
not,
of
course,
to
increase
the
cost
of
housing
being
built,
and
we
took
mr
burgraph's
feedback
very
very
seriously
in
that
regard.
Staff
support
councillor
al-shanteri's
motion
that
the
permit
fee
structure
be
amended
so
that
the
developer
or
builder,
who
owns
more
than
one
lot
in
a
plan
of
subdivision,
only
have
to
obtain
one
permit
for
that
entire
plan
plus
25
dollars
per
lot
to
cover
the
additional
administrative
and
enforcement
fees
for
those
multiple
lots.
H
We
certainly
support
this.
We
feel
that
this
would
allow
these
lands
to
come
into
the
permit
system
without
having
an
undue
impact
on
the
co
on
the
cost
of
housing.
In
that
regard,
mr
chair,
mr
chapman
who's
here
with
us
today,
has
some
information
about
service
requests
that
city
staff
do
currently
get
with
respect
to
those
lands,
those
vacant
lands
that
are
slated
for
subdivision,
and
he
he
can
speak
to
that.
H
L
L
It
has
been
fairly
successful
over
the
last
22
years
since
amalgamation
in
the
city
of
ottawa,
preserving
housing
stock,
which
is
really
why
it
was
put
in
place
by
the
former
city
of
ottawa
and,
at
this
time,
staff
do
see
the
need
to
continue
with
this
tool.
It's
not
on
our
work
plan
to
to
do
a
wholesale
review.
L
That
said,
as
the
delegation
raised
today
and
as
you've
raised
as
well
counselor,
there
are
instances
where
there
may
be
a
public
benefit
to
seeing
an
earlier
removal
of
of
a
building
that
is
not
habitable,
and
so,
as
part
of
our
response
to
bill
109
you're
going
to
see
a
report
coming
forward
to
planning
committee
at
the
end
of
june
detailing
ways
in
which
we
can
respond
to
bill
109
and
improve
housing.
Affordability,
and
this
will
be
one
of
the
areas
that
we
may
wish
to
explore
in
the
coming
term.
Of
council.
D
L
I'm
happy
to
take
that
back
and
discuss
with
mr
willis
I'm.
I
think
that
some
of
the
issues
raised
today
are
bona
fide.
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
see
the
recommendation
from
staff
ever
to
eliminate
demolition
control.
We
see
it
as
a
valuable
tool
to
preserve
housing
stock,
but
we
know
it's
an
imperfect
tool
and
certainly
with
the
passage
of
time
since
it
was
first
implemented,
I'm
happy
to
take
that
back
and
and
we'll
respond
to
council
appropriate.
D
Okay,
I
wonder
clerk
if
we
could
just
reflect
that
in
the
minutes,
just
if
someone's
searching
searching
that,
I
think
that's
important.
The
the
other
aspects
is
in
relation
to
exclusion,
so
valerie
I.
I
have
no
particular
challenge
with
counselor
al-shanteri's
motion,
but
I
do
want
to
exclude
my
zone.
D
I
don't
think
it'd
be
appropriate
for
amassing
of
lots
and
and
waiver
of
those
vacancies.
So
unless
you
can
reassure
me
that
it
wouldn't
apply
them
to
my
community,
then
I
would
ask
for
an
exemption
of
the
area.
Is
that
something
that
you
could
clarify
unless
if
that
would
be
needed?
If
that's
my
goal,.
H
D
J
D
C
D
C
N
C
C
C
That
seems
like
a
reasonable
compromise.
My
last
question,
and
again
this
may
be
a
little
further
afield.
But
what
do
we
do
with
properties
and
some
of
you,
some
staff
on
the
line
will
know
which
property
I'm
talking
about?
What
do
we
do
with
properties
for
whom
we've
given
a
building?
Permit
construction
starts,
and
it
just
stops
and
it
stops
for
years.
C
In
dealing
with
this
is
I've
been
told,
there's
a
building
permit,
it's
been
issued,
and
you
know
I
have
one
property
in
particular
and
again
I
think
I
think
staff
knows
what
I'm
talking
about
it's
been
years
since
there's
been
any
work
and
it
sits
there
in
the
middle
of
a
neighborhood,
everybody
else
has
to
sit
and
look
at
it
live
across
the
street
from
it
will
will
this.
Will
this
bio
have
any
any
impact
on
that?
H
We
know
that
there
are
vacant
properties
on
the
current
list
that
have
gone
through
several
cycles
of
development
applications
or
for
which
multiple
permits
have
been
issued,
yet
they
remain
vacant.
And
so
we
are
conscious
that
those
properties,
if
they're
not
well
maintained
during
that
period
of
vacancy,
can
have
both
the
negative
impacts
on
their
neighbors.
That
we've
heard
about,
but
also
the
cost
for
city
services
are
there
in
terms
of
service
requests.
C
So
just
just
for
complete
clarity,
then.
So
if
someone
has
a
building
perm,
it's
been
sitting
there
for
three
or
four
years
and
minimal
work
has
been
done
on
the
piece
of
construction.
They
can't
hold
that
up
as
a
shield
and
say
no,
no,
I
got
a
permanent
all
good.
They
will
still
have
to
go
into
this
new
regime
and
will
still
be
monitored,
like
any
other
property
in
the
new
regime.
Correct.
L
Obviously
our
example
in
our
award
has
been
west
coast.
Video
and
we
managed
to
you
know,
have
have
that
demolished
very
recently,
but
it
had
been
there
for
11
years
before
that,
and
something
like
this
would
have
really
helped
incentivize
redevelopment
or
demolition
to
proceed
to
redevelopment
later
on.
L
H
H
L
Okay,
that's
that's
helpful
without
the
motion.
What
would
it
have
been
because
I
think
I
understand
it
makes
sense
to
me
on
that,
but
would
it
would?
How
would
it
have
changed
without
that
motion
and
just
trying
to
understand
it
would
have
been
have
to
get
a
permit
for
every
single
lot
on
the
side?
Yes,.
L
L
With
regard
to
the
subdivision?
Lots,
I
mean:
is
there
more
that
they're
they're
asking
for
in
this
case
it
was
mentioned
by
mr
burgrap
that
other
municipalities
don't
have,
I
think,
with
the
exception
of
hamilton,
the
vacant
lot
designation
within
their
vacant
bylaws
making
building
bylaws,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to.
L
H
H
H
Mr
chapman
is
here:
it
can
speak
to
the
nature
of
those
service
requests,
so
it
is
staff's
preference
that
they
be
included
in
the
permit
regime
with
that
modified
fee
structure
so
that
they
can
be
monitored
as
part
of
this
regime
going
forward.
But
in
that
regard
we
are
in
the
hands
of
of
committee.
O
What
I
can
speak
to
is
the
types
of
service
requests
that
that
we've
experienced
over
the
years
and
it
it
really
relates
to
particularly
when
some
of
the
lots
become
occupied.
So
the
houses
are
built
on
some
of
the
lots
and
people
have
moved
in.
We
start
to
get
complaints
about
waste
and
debris.
On
some
of
the
vacant
lots.
We
get
complaints
about
construction,
material
being
stored,
there,
garbage
dumpsters
being
left
on
site,
overflowing
long
grass
and
weeds
ponding
of
water.
L
Okay,
that's
helpful.
I
mean
that
was
kind
of
what
I
was
trying
to
raise
in
the
delegation
because
sometimes
you're
getting
some
build
out,
but
then
there's
a
number
of
other
lots
that
are
not
built
out.
So
there's
some
built
some
not,
and
that
happens
all
the
time
in
subdivisions
right.
So
that's
how
it
works.
So
I
I
think
I
I
better
understand
this
now
and
you
know
appreciate
the
the
staff
clarification
and
really
you
know,
excited
to
wholeheartedly
support
your
work
in
this.
A
A
I
think,
because
there's
properties
that
just
sit
there
and-
and
you
you
want
you
just
think
right
now,
like
with
intensification
these
could
be
put
to
good
use,
but
you
know
there's
nothing
to
to
get
things
moving,
so
I
appreciate
all
the
hard
work.
I
realized
that
the
majority
of
the
action
here
is
in
the
in
the
core
in
the
downtown
central
urban
areas.
So
it's
pretty
clear.
A
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I'm
I'm
actually
sympathetic
to
goba
in
terms
of
what
they've
raised,
and
I
appreciate
that
that
will
be
worked
out,
because
it's
clear
that
this
is
intended
for
those
nuisances
of
abandoned
buildings
and
properties
in
the
central
court.
Primarily
primarily,
but
we
have
to
keep
an
eye
on
it
and
but
I
think
it
was,
it
was
worth
raising
his
the
concerns
about
about
subdivisions
and
being
a
former
trustee.
I
know
how
long
a
school
lot
can
sit
there
before
you
get
the
funding.
You
know
it's.
A
It
takes
a
long
time
and
you
have
to
have
those
lots
ready
for
when
the
funding
comes
in,
so
they
would.
They
would
be
sitting
a
long
time.
So
I'm
glad
that
there's
some
clarification
on
that.
My
question
is
in
terms
of
of
a
lot
that
okay,
it's
it's
the
bylaws
come
in
and
the
lot
is
is
going
to
be
fine
because
it's
sitting
there
empty
and
it's
you
know
it's
it's
owned
by
in
some
cases.
In
my
I
can
think
of
a
couple
of
examples.
A
It's
owned
by
a
corporation,
and
maybe
they
don't.
You
know,
they're
just
playing
the
fines
and
nothing's
moving,
and
this
happens
with
abandoned
gas
station
lots
because
they're
brown
fields
and
they're
complicated
and
they
just
keep
keep
moving.
Is
there
anything
else
that
we
can
do
or
I
just
want
to
know
what
happens
in
a
situation
like
that,
because
I
can
see
that
being
an
issue.
H
H
Services
with
contact
information,
information
about
their
corporation,
of
course,
but
also
contact
information
for
a
representative
and
property
manager
if
they
have
one.
So
we
feel
that
we
have
accounted
for
corporate
owners,
they
will
be
accountable
under
the
permit
regime
as
well
in
terms
of
non-compliance.
H
A
H
Not
from
the
permit
perspective,
what
we're
proposing
is
not
to
interfere
with
other
planning
policies
that
deal
with
with
brownfields,
but
that
brownfield
owner.
If
the
building
remains
or
pardon
me,
the
lot
remains
vacant
after
120
days,
they
would
be
required
to
get
a
permit
so
that
that
a
lot
can
be
monitored
under
the
proposed
permit
regime.
A
Great,
thank
you.
The
I
do
have
a
vacant
house
that
is
sitting
there.
That
is
now
in
the
development
it's
been
bought
and
there's
a
development
proposed
with
that
since
there's
a
development
proposed.
I
know
this
is
this
is
what
we
were
talking
about.
Is
that
sort
of
on
its
way
then
well?
Do
they
have
120
days
to
knock
up
down
that
house
and
start
building.
H
A
M
Thank
you
chair.
I
also
want
to
thank
staff.
This
has
been
a
long
time
coming
and
we,
you
know
for,
for
various
reasons,
don't
want
homes
to
be
left
empty,
while
people
are
living
in
shelter
and
becoming
homeless
at
a
growing
rate
in
the
city
and
also
the
effect
it
has
on
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
M
So
you
know
so
the
even
even
with
the
the
the
vacant
property
aspects
of
of
the
bylaw,
I'm
I'm
encouraged
often-
and
I
just
wanna
just
want
to
make
a
note,
because
I
know
we're
not
dealing
with
it
today,
but
it's
come
up
like
that
demolition,
control
and
and
its
connection
to
building
permits,
and
I
can
understand
because
I
would
rather
not
have
a
derelict
building.
I
would
rather
have
you
know
a
temporary
use
like
a
community
garden
or
park
space.
M
But
what
happens
99.9
of
the
time
is
that
you
don't
get
park
space,
even
though
you're
supposed
to
or
you
don't
get
landscape
space.
Even
though
you're
supposed
to
we
get
parking
lots.
We
have
parking
lots,
especially
in
the
downtown,
because
parking
lots
are
worth
much
more
money
than
buildings
are
we're
actually
gonna
have
an
application
in
front
of
us
for
one
on
nepean
street,
where
we're
gonna
be
asked
to
take
down
affordable
housing
for
parking
lot
coming
up.
M
So
I
just
wonder
from
staff's
perspective,
I
I
know
I
noted
like
on
page
12
that
that
the
bylaw,
the
property
standards,
part
of
the
bylaw,
is
anticipated
to
says,
reduce
stormwater,
runoff,
soil
erosion,
pooling
water
by
requiring
vacant
properties
where
they've
been
demolished
to
be
graded
with
more
permeable
materials.
So
will
you
have
with
this
with
this
bylaw
and
the
required
ftes?
M
Will
you
have
the
enough
resources
in
place
to
ensure?
Because
it's
it's
just
not
happened
today,
the
you
know,
owners
of
these
lots
just
set
up
parking
lots
and
then
they're
impossible
to
remove
you
can
go
after
them,
but
once
they're
established
we
cannot
get
rid
of
them.
So
will
this
give
you
what
you
need
for
bylaw
to
go
in
and
ensure
that
parking
lots
are
not
established
where
buildings
have
come
down
or
where
they
are
down
or
where
we
have
vacant
lots
that
we're
able
to
enforce
the
provision
for
no
parking.
H
M
And
just
and
just
to
clarify,
I
I
understand
that
if
it's
already
got
a
legal
use
for
parking
that
that
it
doesn't
apply,
but
what
happens
time
and
time
again
is
buildings
come
down.
I
can
point
if
I
had
a
google
map
right
now
of
my
of
of
somerset
ward,
I
could
show
you
dozens
of
examples
where
buildings
have
come
down
and
they've
just
turned
into
parking
lots,
and
I
mean
roger,
can
confirm
they're
almost
impossible
to
get
rid
of
and
they
just
become.
Non-Conforming
is
what
happens
so,
I'm
just
looking
for
that.
M
O
So,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
in
in
cases
where
I
mean
the
permit
is
still
is
still
applicable
here,
because
these
are
still
vacant
lots
following
the
demolition
of
the
property,
keeping
in
mind
that
we
do
have,
we
are
getting
two
or
the
recommendation
is
to
get
two
dedicated
resources
to
be
able
to
enforce
provisions
of
this
bylaws.
So
there
will
be
regular
monitoring
of
these
vacant
properties,
so
that
will
certainly
help
with
you
know.
Taking
timely
and
effective
enforcement
on
those
on
those
illegal
uses.
M
Okay,
so
that
was
a
that
was
my
other
question.
Is
you
know
for
that,
for
monitoring
empty
lots
where,
where
building
has
just
come
down
or
where
you
know
they
don't
have
their
you
know,
parking
is
a
legal
use
also
to
have
the
owner
or
somebody
on
behalf
of
the
owner,
attend
to
a
vacant
building
every
two
weeks?
How
are
we
going
to
ensure
that
this
is
occurring.
O
Mr
chair,
so
those
those
checks
will
be
done.
You
know
based
on
previous
activity,
so
I
you
know
we,
let's
be
honest
here.
I
think
it
you
know
will
be
two
inspections
per
property
per
year
is
what
our
mandate
is,
but
these
problematic
properties
that
that
we're
all
speaking
of
they'll
they'll
have
a
lot
more
attention
and
these
requirements
provisions
of
the
bylaw,
for
you,
know,
bi-weekly
inspections
and
and
also
logging,
the
information.
So
they
need
to
take
photos.
They
need
to.
O
You
know,
log,
the
time
that
they
were
there
and
any
remedial
work.
That's
occurred,
those
those
logs.
We
can
request
that
information,
so
we'll
be
monitoring
that
if
we,
if
we
show
up
on
the
property
and
see
that
there's
obvious
violations,
we'll
be
asking
for
those
logs
and
verifying
that
information
to
ensure
that
those
inspections
by
the
property
owner
occurring.
M
And
sorry,
just
one
one
last
question:
I
love
the
idea,
obviously
of
having
contact
information
on
on
buildings.
I
do
believe
that
it
will.
It
will
reduce
the
the
issues
that
that
neighbors
see.
How
do
we
ensure,
though,
that
it
goes
to
a
real
person?
I
mean
we
have
I'll,
throw
it
at
somerset
house
as
an
example,
but
we
have
you
know
others
where
I'm
not
sure
that
we
even
know
who
the
owners
are.
So
how
how
will
we
ensure
that
that
contact
information?
O
M
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
express
my
support
for
the
recommendations
before
us
today.
I
know
that
this
is
primarily
an
urban
core
issue,
but
it's
not
only
an
urban
core
issue.
It
extends
into
communities
such
as
the
one
I
represent,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
vacant
derelict
buildings
that
are
neglected
and
the
properties
that
are
neglected
have
a
grave
negative
impact
on
the
abutting
communities,
and
it's
been
a
frustration
even
to
be
able
to
identify.
E
Have
one
roger
knows
it
well
that
I
believe
the
the
owner
of
the
property
is
out
of
the
country
has
been
very
difficult
to
reach
and
deal
with.
It
has
been
a
huge
draw
on
bylaw
services
and
clearly
a
regulatory
regime
is
necessary
to
be
able
to
appropriately
deal
with
these
problem
properties,
and
there
is
no
doubt
that,
to
the
extent
this
new
regulatory
regime
will
act
as
a
deterrent
for
leaving
properties
vacant.
In
a
time
when
we
have
a
housing
crisis.
I
think
that
this
is
also
a
positive
outcome.
E
B
B
B
I
B
Thank
you.
Counselor
agreed
item
number
two
for
which
we
have
delegations
as
well,
and
it's
been.
We
have
no
no
presentation
planned
on
this
item.
However,
we
do
have
delegations.
This
is
the
vehicle
for
hire
bylaw
the
amendment
to
insurance
requirements
and
tax
industry
requests
for
taxi
cab
tariff,
the
meter
rate
adjustment.
F
O
So
it's
you
know
just
speaking
to
the
the
taxi
cost
index.
So
we've
worked
that
formula
and
we've
determined
that
there
is
a
tolerance
for
the
10
increase.
So
that's
what
staff
is
recommending
today
and
that's
what
was
requested
by
the
industry
and
then
the
second
piece
is
the
the
insurance
and
we
we
have
done
some
consultation
with
the
stakeholders
and
representatives
of
the
drivers
through
the
union,
as
well
as
the
taxi
brokers,
and
we
think
that
we
have
concurrence
here
and
support.
O
What
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
to
help
the
drivers
out.
We
understand
that
and
I'm
sure
that
most
the
committee
members
here
have
heard
from
the
industry
that
it's
very
difficult,
if
not
impossible,
to
obtain
the
the
five
million
dollar
cgl
requirement,
so
we're
we're
making
the
recommendation
to
to
reduce
that
to
two
million
dollars.
Part
of
the
review
that
we
did
was,
you
know,
checking
with
other
municipalities
not
only
across
ontario
but
across
canada
and
the
only
other
municipality
we
were
able
to
find
that
had.
O
B
I
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Our
second
delegation
is
george
jarwan.
Please
accept
the
prompt
to
become
a
panelist
so
that,
once
we're
finished
with
the
first
delegation,
you
can
jump
on
so
josh.
Please
accept
the
prompt
to
join
us.
Wonderful.
Thank
you
so
much.
Our
first
public
delegation
today
is
sayad
abdul
latif
dashani.
B
Q
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
give
me
to
speak
to
you
on
this
issue
of
taxi
licensing.
My
name
is
latif
dot
channel,
so
you
have
the
ability
of
dot
journey.
I've
been
taxi,
licensed
drivers
and
owner
for
the
last
20
years.
I've
been
actively
involved
in
the
city
of
gloucester,
campbell
and
ottawa,
new
city
of
ottawa,
all
the
way
in
preparing
their
bylaws
or
amending
their
bylaws
and
as
well
as
power
transfer
bringing
to
taxi
industry.
Q
I
had
a
excellent
meeting
with
mr
rogers
chapman
yesterday
and
I
thank
you.
I
thank
him
for
his
understanding
and
I,
although
I
made
a
written
submission
in
full
details
of
all
issues
concerned
to
the
taxi
industry,
but
I
concentrate
only
on
the
two
issues
and
the
item
right
now
and
leave
that
as
our
concern
for
your
attention
that
you
have
the
written
submission
in
front
of
you,
and
I
really
appreciate
and
support
that
proposal
of
increasing
the
tax
emitter.
Q
Q
Q
Before
the
amalgamation,
there
was
one
million
liability
and
until
2004
or
five
or
six
and
then
became
two
million,
then
jumped
to
five
million.
Five
million
is
not
only
has
increased,
their
know
increase
their
liability,
but
it
was
impossible
to
get
one
and
especially
for
two
over
200
taxi
drivers
there
out
of
the
taxi
services
connection
with
their
taxi
company.
Because
of
the
disagreement
on
the
issue
of
paying
dispatch
fee,
they
could
not
get
any
insurance
and
their
plates
that
there
was
life-saving
and
spend
millions
of
dollars
on
that
they're.
Q
I
know
that
the
insurance
is
liability
or
revolution
is
part
of
the
other
levels
of
the
government,
the
municipal,
but
you
as
our
politicians,
our
government
and
as
our
regulator.
First
of
all,
you
can't
regulate
something
which
is
impossible.
Second,
it's
your
much
better
position
than
me
or
my
union,
or
my
taxi
companies
to
go
to
the
provincial
and
federal
government
to
make
it
affordable
and
accessible.
Q
If
you
look
at
the
bylaw
of
the
city
of
gloucester
and
licensing
department
in
2014,
there
were
2700
taxi
driver
licenses,
and
now
it
it
went
down
to
11
or
1200.
So
this
1500
full-time
job
that
sometimes
the
taxi
or
double
shift
like
night
shift
and
and
in
this
shift
and
and
for
the
weekend
they
have
different
ships.
It
came
down
to
eleven
or
twelve
hundred
and
they
are
barely
making
money
for
survival
or
or
providing
the
service.
R
Q
It's
going
to
have
a
very
negative
consequences
on
their
family
and
kids.
Socio-Economic
consequences,
so
overall
of
the
taxi
industry
boiler
has
needed
much
as
as
mr
share
you
mentioned
in
the
in
the
opening,
and
also
mr
chapman
said
that,
but
I
think
you
you
said
that
it's
end
of
the
term.
You
want
to
leave
it
for
that
for
the
for
early
next
year.
Q
Q
F
Thank
you
chair
just
one
quick
question
for
the
delegation,
sir.
My
understanding
is
that
there's
not
a
big
difference
in
the
premium
for
two
million
versus
five
million
dollars
liability.
You
seem
to
be
saying
the
opposite.
To
that.
Can
you
give
me
an
idea
how
much
two
million
in
in
coverage
would
give
you
or
would
cost
you
in
comparison
to
five
million?
F
F
So
you
say
three
to
four
hundred
dollars
for
for
a
year
or
a
bunk,
three
or
four
hundred
dollars
a
month.
That's
the
change
in
the
premium.
I
think
we
I,
if
we're
not
it
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
I
thought
we
were
going
to
remove
the
provision
that
you
must
have
five
billion.
You
can
now
have
less
liability.
Is
that
do
I
have
that
correct
is
staff
there
well.
Q
Q
Much
better
than
than
five
billion,
yes,
but
all
more
than
that.
I
really
like
the
city
as
our
representative
as
a
licensee
that
that
you
require
us
to
to
provide
this
kind
of
insurance
deal
with
your
provincial
and
federal
counterpart,
for
accessibility
in
in
and
and
fairness
and
availability
of
the
insurance.
Q
B
S
S
S
That
is
truly
unfair
to
pay
for
a
service
that
we
did
not
receive
the
during
the
emergency
pandemic
time.
Covetry
connections
terminated
our
plates
with
the
company.
After
31
march
2021,
we
went
to
the
labor
board.
We
told
us
that
we
had
a
union
and
that
they
could
not
help
us
with
this
issue,
and
when
we
went
back
to
the
union
they
told
us
we
were
no
longer
a
union
member
due
to
the
fact
that
we
had
not
paid
the
taxes
standard,
rent
fee
and
our
union
fee.
S
S
S
I
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
george
for
your
presentation,
george.
You
know
city,
council
or
city
government.
We
can't
tell
the
either
the
union
or
the
owner
of
coventry
how
to
run
their
business
all.
What's
on
the
front
of
us
today,
george
and
hear
me
out:
what's:
staff
and
union
and
counselor,
we
work
together
with
staff
and
mr
chapman
he's
gonna,
you
know,
introduce
the
you
know,
lowering
the
insurance
from
5
million
to
2
million.
I
I
Okay,
my
other
question
to
you
is:
would
you
be
also
happy
to
see
increase
to
the
meter
it's
been
recommended
by
mr?
You
know
chapman,
and
we
work
also
with
the
union
and
and
my
colleague
to
get
to
that
point.
Are
you
in
agreement
with
that,
because
those
are
the
things
we
can
do.
I
can't
control
what
others
do.
B
J
J
Would
that
be
a
fair
assessment?
Yes,
okay,
so
so
on
that
note,
I
I
just
want
to
express
my
sincere
thanks
to
you,
george.
I
know
it's
been
a
very
tough
couple
of
years.
I
I
know
you
personally
and
and
your
your
lovely
family
and
it's
been
really
difficult,
and
hopefully
this
will
help
correct
some
of
the
things.
My
colleagues
and
myself,
I'm
already
seeing
a
lot
of
nodding
heads
or
I
think
we
this
is
going
to
pass,
and
hopefully
that
will
make
things
better.
S
B
T
Good
morning,
can
you
hear
me
we
cancer?
Oh
I'm,
sorry!
Thank
you,
okay.
I
am
I'm
sorry
to
be
here
today
because
of
all
these
issues,
but
I'm
just
hoping
to
be
able
to
point
out
to
council
about
some
of
the
bylaws
that
are
preventing
all
of
us
all.
The
people
who
lost
their
jobs
during
the
pandemic
from
coming
back
to
taxi
and
one
of
the
bylaws,
especially
not
no
new
drivers
are
coming
into
taxi
because
of
some
of
the
bylaws.
T
T
Yes,
insurance
will
be
a
lot
cheaper
to
all
of
us,
but
the
main
issue
that
I
want
to
discuss
was
is
how
the
accessible
taxis,
so
many
of
them
there's
couple
of
bylaws
on
for
that
on
the
accessible
taxis,
one
that
I
saw
a
bylaw
where
many
drivers
were
being
charged
and
they
were
like
if
at
a
time
when
they
receive
and
a
call
for
an
accessible
car,
and
they
were
not
able
to
do
it.
The
next
day
they
were
called
into
the
inspector's
office
and
they
were
given
fines.
T
T
T
The
other
bylaw
that
is
on
the
books.
Now,
that
is
preventing
these
accessible
vehicles
from
coming
online
or
investing
again,
is
that
every
accessible
or
every
license.
Every
taxi
license
have
to
be
working
with
a
broker,
with
a
taxi
broker
and
since
coventry
connections
preventing
all
these
accessible
and
plate
owners
from
coming
back
to
coventry
connections
unless
they
go
and
they
pay
them.
The
last
two
and
a
half
years
of
stand,
rent
that
they
haven't
been
working
and
that
could
come
up
to
way
over
ten
thousand
dollars.
T
Well,
I'm
just
hoping
that
council
would
look
at
these
bylaws
that
is
preventing
all
plate
owners
and
new
drivers
from
coming
into
this
into
taxi,
and
the
unfortunate
thing
is
all
these:
plate.
Owners
are
seniors,
they're
way
over
65
and
they
are
all
ready
to
leave
and
if
they
leave
there
is
nobody
to
replace
them.
That
is
the
one
number
one
issue
that
we
need
to
look
at:
no
one
to
replace
all
these
drivers
they're
all
over
65
and
70-
that
came
back
just
to
try
and
salvage
something
from
their
investment.
B
N
Thank
you,
chair,
good
morning
to
mr
hajjar.
It's
good
to
hear
from
you
again.
It
certainly
has
been
a
trying
time
for
the
industry
over
many
many
years,
not
just
limited
to
cobid.
As
my
colleague
counselor
al
shantiri
stated,
we're
today
focused
on
two
main
things.
One
is
the
meter
rate
and
the
other
is
the
insurance,
but
you
have
quite
properly
elaborated
that
there
are
a
lot
more
challenges
in
this
industry,
in
addition
to
an
outdated
meter
rate
and
some
of
the
insurance
challenges.
So
thank
you.
N
We
hopefully,
as
a
committee
we'll
get
to
that
in
the
next
term
of
counsel.
I
want
to
ask
you
a
question
about
actually
counselor
al
shanteri's
motion
that
he's
put
on
the
floor
and
counselor.
If
I
get
the
interpretation
of
your
motion
wrong,
please
jump
in,
but
mr
hajar
right
now,
when
a
taxi
car
is
at
the
end
of
five
years
of
age,
the
owner
is,
it
needs
to
replace
it
needs
to
have
a
younger
car
on
the
veal
vehicle.
N
We've
capped
the
age
of
the
vehicle
to
five
years
and
counselor
alcantary's
moving
a
motion
which
I
strongly
support.
That
increases
the
age
from
five
years
to
seven
years,
which
I
think
is
an
appropriate
thing
to
do.
However,
in
his
motion,
he
talks
about
this
being
applied
to
hybrid
vehicles
or
fully
electric
vehicles,
and
I'm
just
I
want
to
give
the
counselor
a
chance
to
to
chime
in
as
well.
But
mr
hajjar
do
you
know
how
many
drivers-
and
I
know
this
is
probably
anecdotal,
but
a
drive,
hybrid
vehicles
versus
electric?
N
T
T
That
way
will
also
give
the
gas
driven
cars
where
also
in
a
collision.
If
a
car
is
seven
or
eight
years
old,
that's
been
on
taxi
for
three
years
again.
The
insurance
totals
it
at
fifteen
hundred
dollars.
Pay
him
fifteen
hundred
dollars
now
for
that
guy
to
replace
his
car
again
he's
looking
at
25
000,
but
I'm
also
hoping
to
remove
that
five-year
limit
or
any
limit
at
entry
level
so
to
give
us
a
chance
for
new
drivers
to
come
in
for
any
driver
to
come
in
now.
T
N
Okay,
I
I
understand
your
point
of
view
going
from
five
years
to
seven
is
better
for
the
industry
right.
It
gives
it
gives
guys
an
extra
two
years
to
keep
their
car
on
the
road.
What
I'm
trying
to
understand
is,
in
addition
to
the
hybrid
and
electric
cars,
how
many
cars
in
service
now
are
not
those
just
gas
powered.
Are
we
excluding
a
number
of
drivers
from
this
motion.
T
N
I
I
I
think
you
know
I'm
gonna
follow
up
with
staff
when
we
are
during
this
and
and
we'll
see,
but
keep
in
mind
in
in
2023
is
going
to
be
a
full
review
to
the
taxi
by
law
and
age
limit
and
other
issues.
So
I
believe
this
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction
and
I
hope
you
would
agree
this
is
everything
almost
what
we
can
do
to
help
to
help
that
industry,
which
is
we
all
agree,
suffer
quite
a
bit
during
the
pandemic.
B
C
C
So
I,
with
respect
to
the
motion
that
councillor
argentini
put
that
he
excluded
the
gas
cars
he
just
mentioned
the
hybrid
and
and
the
electric
cars.
I
would
say
that
if
that
will
be
changed
to
include
all
the
cores,
the
the
the
cars
that
are
operating
as
not
just
hybrid
and
electric
and
second
thing
that
last
year
I
guess
or
before
the
pandemic,
the
the
problems
were
lobbying
or
the
province
were
having
meetings.
C
For
the
taxi
for
the
taxi
drivers,
I
don't
know
if
they
will
be
responsible
or
just
do
some
recommendations,
for
that
is
the
the
city
of
ottawa
or
the
council.
You,
the
council,
are
involved
in
dealing
with
this
issue
and
do
you
have
any
information
with
respect
to
this,
and
the
last
thing
I
would
like
to
mention,
because
I'm
not
prepared,
I
wish
I
was
prepared
for
this
meeting
better
than
what
I'm
doing.
C
Last
week
there
was
election
for
the
long
calling
in
ottawa
and
ask
I
asked
some
people
who
knows
who
are
working.
They
said
they
are.
There
are
600
dry
drivers
that
are
working,
maybe
they
operating
on
the
same
car
like
one
in
the
night,
one
in
the
in
the
day,
so
we
have
over
1200
licensing
in
the
city
of
ottawa,
so
be
aware
that
half
of
the
plates
are
shelved.
I
don't
know
with
the
city
or
coventry
or
like
my
plate,
is
in
my
garage
for
almost
two
years
now.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you,
mr
hammut,
for
your
presentation.
It's
just
to
answer
your
question.
You
have
asked
what
can
we
include
the
the
gas
card
and
I
want
to
thank
my
colleagues
so
speaking
with
mr
chapman,
we
agree.
We
can
include
the
gas
car
to
my
motion,
so
staff
will
be
amending
the
motion
to
include
gas
car
after
seven
years.
So
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
my
colleague
for
bringing
up
to
our
attention
and
thanks
to
you,
mr
hamut,
for
also
bring
it
to
us.
B
R
My
name
is
amrit,
president
of
unifor
local
1688.
We
represent
taxi
drivers
in
city
of
ottawa
and
some
cities
today,
I'm
appearing
in
front
of
you
to
support
the
motion
made
by
my
own
counselor,
elijah,
terry
okay.
Today
we
are
working
under
the
meter,
which
was
amended
15
years
ago
and
we're
working
on
the
same
rates.
R
Everything
is
more
expensive.
Some
of
you
will
remember
that
many
times
we
were
offered
meters.
I
appear
in
front
of
this
committee.
You
can
see
some
of
you
present
in
that
community.
You
offer
the
meter
increase
and
I
stand
up
and
I
say
thank
you
very
much.
We
don't
need
it
and
he
gave
us
a
standing
ovation.
R
I
still
remember
that
today,
we're
asking
for
meter
increase,
because
now
it's
very
very,
very
difficult
to
operate
a
taxi
cab,
whatever
taxi
driver
make,
is
gone
to
either
company
or
gas
companies
or
other
companies
is
very
difficult
to
make
a
living
these
days
by
driving
a
cab.
Now,
as
I
said,
gas
is
more
expensive.
Insurance
is
expensive.
R
R
Is
the
entry
of
the
car
into
the
system?
If
I
want
to
change
my
car
today,
five
year
old
car,
I
can
bring,
but
you
are
changing
it
to
seven
and
I
I
support
it
again,
just
to
clarify
that
actually
of
the
car
in
order
wise
years,
so
you
can
buy
a
new
car
and
do
it
for
tears
or
buy
a
five-year-old
car
and
drive
for
four
years.
R
R
And
the
city
in
previous
years
had
a
approach.
What
we
need
to
do
is
change
the
provincial
law.
When
ptc
companies
came,
then
provincial
government
changed
the
law
for
them,
but
they
keep
on
promising
taxi
drivers,
but
they
still
didn't.
I
understand
now.
The
provincial
election
is
going
on
once
is
over.
I
will
urge
city
of
ottawa
to
write
a
ladder
or
cooperate
with
the
industry,
to
ask
the
new
minister
in
charge
to
change
the
insurance
act.
That
will
be
a
big
big
relief
to
the
taxi
industry,
but
again
whatever
you
are
doing
today.
R
We
appreciate
that
and
wish
for
that.
I
forget
to
tell
you
with
me-
is
two
gentlemen:
one
is
vice
president
of
this
union
brother
bahadun
issa
and
brother
nego,
says
sega
the
secretary
trailer
of
the
local
union.
I
really
appreciate
what
you're
doing
today
for
us-
and
I
am
I'm
open
for
any
questions.
N
N
We
have
had
a
very
fluctuating
rate
increases
over
the
years
in
the
staff
report.
They
provide
the
history
of
rate
increases
over
the
last
20
years.
Some
years
there
have
been
absolutely
no
increases.
In
fact,
rates
have
been
frozen
for
over
10
years,
which
I
can't
understand
that
situation.
Other
years
it's
been
10
7,
it's
been
all
over
the
place.
N
N
N
N
R
The
problem
is,
it
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
change
those
meters
from
a
rate
rates.
Okay-
and
it's
not
fair
to
tell
taxi
drivers
to
pay
now
to
go
and
change
the
meter.
Then
five
months
later
go
do
it
again,
plus
what
we
are
asking
is
supported
by
most
of
the
customers
we
drive
x
is
using
public
is
whenever
you
pass
by
a
gas
station.
R
N
I
Good
morning,
I'm
rick
and
again
congratulations
on
your
on
your
election
as
and
also
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
previous
union
leadership
as
well,
working
together
with
our
staff
to
get
where
we
are
today
and
so
and
enrique.
I'm
sure
you've
been
listening
to
the
discussion
this
morning
and
I'm
hoping
we'll
get
your
support
for
what
we're
presenting
today.
I
At
the
same
time,
staff
agreed
to
include
a
gas
car
as
well
for
up
to
seven
years,
and
I
think
that's
that's
a
good
compromise
and
thanks
to
my
colleague
again
for
bringing
that
up,
but
the
in
moving
forward
enrique,
we
need
we
need.
We
need
to
establish
that
working
relationship
with
the
city
and
and
the
union.
I
We
can
again,
we
get
sometimes
call
oh,
the
the
the
the
owners
doing
this
or
the
conversation.
We
can't
interfere
with
private
business,
but
what
we
can
do
we
can
work
with
you
and
I
know
staff.
They
start
discussion
about
the
accessibility
and
I
know
there's
some
accessibility
play
driver.
They
return
the
place
because
it's
not
affordable
for
them
to
stay
in
the
business
during
the
pandemic.
R
I
I
think
many
of
you
know
me
and
for
me
it's
the
fifth
term.
I
am
starting
as
a
president
of
the
local
union
and
most
of
you
I
have
already
worked
with
and
we
believe
in
working
together
and
that
will
continue,
although
we
were
not
treated
nicely
in
2016,
but
I
promise
you
in
the
future.
We
will.
We
will
work
with
you
and
the
staff
and
everybody
else.
J
J
B
Excellent
comments:
counselors
cheney,
would
you
realize
how
difficult
this
period
has
been
for
this
entire
industry?
Mr
singh,
I'd
also
like
to
extend
my
congratulations
on
your
most
recent
election.
We
are
very
much
looking
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
you.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
delegation
today.
We
truly
appreciate
you
taking
the
time.
B
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Perhaps
I
can.
I
can
read
the
final
motion
just
been
drafted
by
staff.
So
therefore
be
it
resolve
that
council
delegate
authority
to
chief
license
inspector
to
permit
standard
and
accessible
taxi
plate
holder
to
licensed
people
that
are
up
to
seven
years
model
of
age
where
the
modern
year
of
the
vehicle
is
not
included
in
the
vehicle
calculation
provided
the
vehicle
meet
the
taxi
cab,
the
vehicle
requirement
of
the
vehicle
for
higher
bylaw
2016-272
as
amended.
That's
such
a
delicate
authority
be
in
place
until
march
31st
2023.
E
O
E
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
staff
is
supportive
of
this.
This
motion
again,
I
think
it's
important
to
mention
that
we
recognize
that
the
taxi
industry
has
changed
significantly
over
the
last
several
years
and
that
you
know
what
used
to
be
with.
You
know
two
drivers
on
a
vehicle:
we're
not
we're
not
seeing
that
anymore.
We're
vehicles
we're
on
the
road
24
7
we're
not
seeing
that
anymore.
O
I
think
there's
there's
some
ability
here
that
you
know
that
we
we
need
to
review
the
the
age
limit
of
these
vehicles
and
to
try
and
support
the
industry
as
well,
and
the
other
concern
is
of
course,
as
mentioned.
You
know
it's
it's
the
market
right
now
and
it's
the
avail
availability
of
these
vehicles.
So
it's
it's
very
difficult
for
for
the
drivers
to
to
find
these
vehicles.
New
drivers
coming
on
to
the
fleet.
O
Well,
I
I
think
you
know
it's
important
to
to
understand
that
it
is.
The
safety
of
the
public
is
absolutely
paramount
for
us,
and
that's
that's
why
these
regulations
are
in
place.
But
again
you
know
in
in
assessing
what
we're
seeing
right
now
in
the
vehicles,
the
the
kilometers
that
are
being
traveled
by
taxis.
Currently,
I
think
there
is
some
tolerance
here
to
to
allow
the
entry
age
limit
for
the
vehicles
to
increase
to
seven
years.
E
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I
wanted
to
talk
about
the
insurance
and
the
liability
that
going
from
five
million
to
two
million
dollars,
so
just
from
a
scenario
perspective.
If
there
were
a
bad
accident
and
there
was
a
claim
for
more
than
the
two
million
dollars
because
we're
the
regulator
and
probably
frankly
have
the
deepest
pockets,
I
would
contend
that
in
all
probability
whoever
was
suing
would
be
suing
the
city.
E
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair
council,
I'll
defer
part
of
this
answer
to
legal.
I
know
stuart
huxley's
on
the
call
here
and
I
think
he
could
offer
some
insight
on
the
insurance,
but
I
will
remind
you
that
the
the
reduction
in
the
insurance
is
being
recommended
here
today,
as
is,
is
in
regards
to
the
the
commercial
general
liability,
and
that
applies
to
the
taxi
plate
holders.
It's
a
business
license.
It's
a
business
insurance.
O
N
N
N
N
E
Okay,
that
that'd
be
great,
because
I
I
mean
I
don't
disagree
with
reducing
to
two
million
dollars,
given
the
challenges
that
the
industry
is
facing,
but
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
be
very
clear
that
we
may
be
transferring
liability
to
the
taxpayers
under
some
scenarios.
I
I
just
think
we
need
to
to
be
aware
of
that.
E
Another
question
for
mr
chapman
just
wanted
to
understand
the
the
10
increase.
I
also
don't
disagree
with
that.
It's
been
a
number
of
years
since
there
has
been
an
increase
and
clearly
with
gas
prices,
and
you
know
just
costs
rising.
I
understand
that
that
this
is
the
time
for
an
increase.
So
I
I
don't.
I
don't
disagree
with
that.
I
just
wonder
if,
in
all
probability,
we
would
expect
the
ptcs
to
follow
suit
and
also
increase
their
rates
by
10
percent.
O
So,
thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
Unfortunately,
you
know
there
is
no
authority
at
this
point
to
to
regulate
the
the
rates
being
charged
by
the
ptc
companies,
but
what
I
can
say
is
that
we
do
monitor
those
rates
and
are,
generally
speaking,
what
we've
found
so
far
is
that
the
ptc
rates
are
very
close,
if
not
equal
to
what
the
taxi
rates
are
currently.
E
E
Okay
and
just
one
final
question,
I
know
it's
not
really
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
today,
but
we
did
hear
from
a
couple
of
the
presenters
and
concerns
they
have
with
the
monopoly
in
the
coventry
connection-
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
understand.
It
is
westway
still
not
operating
at
least
some
of
the
service.
Is
there
not
some
option
for
those
drivers.
O
O
B
N
Sir,
thank
you.
Certainly,
the
introduction
of
the
private
transportation
vehicles
hurt
our
taxi
industry
and
then
the
pandemic
came,
and
then
the
federal
government's
decision
to
allow
employees
to
continue
to
work
at
home
are
three
significant
shocks
to
this
industry.
That's
hurt
them
within
the
last
decade.
N
O
O
So,
mr
chair,
just
to
clarify,
the
five-year
limit
is
for
new
vehicles
being
introduced,
the
fleet,
so
those
are
new
vehicles
coming
on
the
fleet,
so
they
have
to
be
five
years
or
less
currently,
but
age
limit
for
when
they
have
to
replace
the
vehicles
that
are
currently
on
the
fleet
remains
ten
years.
Okay,.
N
O
Mr
chair,
yes,
that's
correct,
so
new
vehicles
coming
on
must
be
five
years
or
less
the
the
rationale
for
that
is
that
you
know
taxi
cabs,
averaging
anywhere
between
75
and
100
000
kilometers
a
year,
it's
again
about
the
safety
to
the
public
right.
It's
you
know,
as
these
vehicles
increase
with
the
kilometers
and
usage
of
the
vehicle.
N
Of
taxis
must
meet,
must
meet
maintenance
requirements
right,
there's
there's,
I
think,
annual
and
even
quarterly.
So
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
argue
this
much
today.
I
certainly
want
to
look
at
this
more
with
the
full
review
next
year,
but
I'm
as
a
passenger
I
get
into
a
vehicle.
I
want
it
to
be
safe
number
one.
N
N
It
makes
it
more
expensive
for
the
driver
and
it
makes
it
more
expensive
for
me
because
we're
forcing
the
driver
to
get
a
brand
new
vehicle
which
puts
costs
up.
So
we
have
to
look
at
this
going
forward
if
we
have
maintenance,
mandatory
maintenance
that
must
be
done.
The
age
of
the
vehicle
is
irrelevant.
N
My
last
point,
mr
chapman,
for
you
to
comment
on
is:
is
the
fluctuation
in
the
rates
ten
percent
one
year
followed
by
seven
percent
five
percent
three
years
in
a
row,
a
22
increase,
and
then
we
had
this
massive
gap
where
there
were
no
requests
for
any
type
of
fair
increase
to
reflect
inflationary
costs
that
happen
in
the
industry.
Many
many
factors,
gas,
wear
and
tear
in
the
car.
Other
factors
are
we
headed
towards
again.
N
This
might
be
something
that
we
talk
about
next
year
and
I
want
to
save
everyone
some
time,
but
a
10
increase
is
going
to
hurt
some
of
our
passengers
and
I'm
not
at
all
debating
against
the
need
for
it.
I
get
it
because
it's
been
so
long
since
we've
addressed
this,
but
I'd
rather
see
something
phased
in
five
percent
july.
First,
five
percent
december
first,
but
mr
singh
talked
about
there's
a
cost
to
drivers
to
amend
the
fair
machines.
Could
you
comment
on
that?
N
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
that's
a
great
question.
Counselor
there
is
a
significant
cost
to
the
drivers
for
updating
the
meters
or
amending
the
meters
to
the
new
rate
and
and
and
to
in
addition
to
that
staff,
bylaw
and
rectory
staff
are
required
to
do
meter
inspections,
to
ensure
the
accuracy
of
those
meters
and
to
reseal
those
meters.
So
there's
significant
enforcement
costs
as
well
to
introducing
two
meter
increases
in
a
year.
N
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
I
think
that's
good
information
for
this
committee's
consideration
and
again
I
no
one's
arguing
the
need
to
adjust
the
rates.
It's
it's
a
lot
at
once.
That's
my
point
and
I
look
forward
to
a
more
extensive
review
next
term
of
office
so
chair,
even
though
I
don't
get
a
vote
today,
when
this
comes
to
council,
I
will
be
voting
in
favor.
Thank
you.
A
It's
kind
of
well-known
news
that
it's
hard
to
get
these
vehicles,
but
I'm
wondering,
if
there's
some
sort
of
compromise,
to
still
encourage
that,
because
a
little
worried
that
we're
not
if
we
make
it
just
you
know
carte
blanche
on
all
vehicles
when
the
original
intent
of
the
motion
seemed
to
be
to
encourage
the
use
of
electric
vehicles.
So
what
what
kind
of
compromise
can
we
make
here
to
still
encourage
that
and
understanding
that
there
is?
A
I
Mr
chair,
absolutely
we
are,
but
you
just
said
it:
counselor,
the
hybrid
and
the
electric
is
almost
impossible
to
find
a
vehicle
these
days
and
that's
why
we
were
trying
to
encourage
the
people
to
own
them
to
keep
them
for
a
couple
of
years.
But
my
colleagues
get
suggested
what
about
clean
car?
Even
if
it's
on
gas-
and
we
said
yeah-
we
can
you
know
we
can.
We
can
work
with
that
as
well,
so
to
to
leave
that
inside
or
if
there
is
an
incentive
for
electric
I'm
high.
A
I
understand
perhaps
it
can
be
delayed
so
that
by
a
certain
year
that
they
look
to
you
know
that
we
delay
the
start
up
of
the
ask
for
them
to
go
to
hybrid.
You
know,
like
a
you
know
that
by
a
certain
date
your
certain
year,
I
I
think
it
needs
to
be
played
with
a
bit
more,
but
I
I
really
like
the
direction
you
were
going
and
I
I
just
worry
that
that
was
lost.
I
B
J
Great
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
and
what
a
great
discussion
today
and
I'm
glad
to
see
we're
dealing
with
some
of
these
issues
that,
frankly,
I
think
two
dollar,
a
liter
plus
gas
rates
out
of
our
controllers
municipality,
is
really
creating
a
pressure
on
people
and
our
workforce,
and
I
know
eli
and
riley.
Myself
are
all
simpatico
on
this.
Just
just
to
reiterate
mr
chapman
chief
chapman,
there's
municipalities
in
ontario
mississauga
toronto.
J
O
J
Oh
belleville,
yes,
that
big,
you
know
bel
vegas.
That
being
said,
and
I
have
friends
down
there
by
the
way.
I
hope
they
don't
hear
this.
That
being
said,
I
I
you
know,
I
I'm
I'm
less
concerned
on
the
safety
aspect.
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
good
precedent
and
thank
you
to
stuart
for
for
speaking
to
that
point
also
to
teresa's
point.
I
think
we
all
want
to
get
to
the
wait.
The
sooner
people
can
get
an
electric
vehicle,
the
better.
J
J
So
I
all
have
to
say
the
even
the
length
of
the
vehicle
you're
quite
correct,
they're
they're
they're,
shutting
their
engines
off
they're,
not
wasting
gas,
they're
they're,
not
driving
as
much
they're
doing
point
a's
to
point
b's,
so
the
age
of
the
vehicle
and
again
I'm
I'm
agreeing
with
councillor
brockington.
I
I
don't
have
an
issue
on
the
safety
aspect
of
it.
Vehicles
are
way
safer,
we're
way
more
fuel
efficient
these
days
than
they
were
even
10
years
ago
20
years
ago.
So
I
just
do
want
to
thank
you
roger.
J
I
know.
Eli
and
myself
have
been
in
your
non-stop
for
several
years
about
this
because
a
lot
of
our
residents-
this
is
their
business,
and
you
know
some
of
them
have
had
to
go
and
start
working
at
local
stores
and
things
during
the
last
two
years
and
finally,
there's
a
silver
lining
where
they
can
get
back
to
the
business
that
they
know
best
is
helping
people
and
driving
people
around
the
neighborhood.
So
anyway,.
I
The
pandemic
was
a
big
hit
on
them,
more
than
probably
any
other
business
because
they
didn't
qualify
for
rent
subsidy,
didn't
qualify
for
for
staff
and
support
or
any
any
any
funding
was
available
from
other
government,
even
including
municipality,
where
we
reduce
property
tax
on
on
the
businesses,
we
couldn't
be
able
to
help
that
industry
now
they're
asking
for
liberal
health.
Ten
percent
of
the
meter
increase
council
bracket
and
I
agree
with
you,
but
let
me
tell
you
overnight:
the
gas
increase
when
a
lot
more
than
10
percent
increase,
and
we
have
no
choice.
I
You
and
myself
another
to
go
back,
that
we
don't
do
it
for
business.
We
can
avoid
some
chips
if
we
can,
but
if
you
are
a
taxi
driver,
you
can't
so
I'm
I'm
asking
my
colleague
to
support
this
motion.
I
agree
with
the
council
kavanagh.
The
intent
was
to
to
to
have
more
of
hybrid
electric
vehicle
in
the
fleet,
but
I
mean
we're
not
you
know,
we
all
know
that's
not
going
to
be
option
available
anytime
soon.
I
If
you
like
to
you
know,
we
can
modify
the
motion
and
to
keep
both
between
now
and
council
meeting
I'll
be
happy
to
work
with
the
council.
That's
not
a
problem.
I
want
to
thank
all
my
colleagues,
for
you
know,
hearing
what
the
what
the
driver's
been
go
through
and
and
looking
for
more
importantly,
is
what's
going
to
come
in
2023.
I
But
for
now
I
believe
this
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
The
2
million
insurance.
Well,
that's
2
million
across
all
the
municipality
of
ontario,
with
exception
of
one
and
nothing
said
the
driver.
If
they
want
to
feel
safe,
they
can
buy
five
million
dollars,
so
they
can
buy
seven.
They
can
buy
ten
if
they
feel
needed.
I
don't
think
that's
on
the
municipality
to
control
that
and
create
that
monopoly,
where
half
of
those
taxes
have
to
leave
the
business,
because
they
cannot
afford
to
buy
the
five
million
dollars
insurance.
I
So
again,
I
don't
want
to
take
away
from
all
the
hard
work
staff
did
with
with
the
with
the
taxi
union
drivers,
previous
leadership
of
the
union.
Even
with
that
community
connection
we
get
where
we
are
today,
and
I
believe
this
motion
will
serve
what
you
are
trying
to
to
do
right
now
and
I'm
looking
for
your
support
and
counselor
kavanagh
you
and
I
we
can
work
on
something
it
will
be.
I
B
I
B
B
One
would
drive
the
taxi
for
12
hours
and
then
would
get
out
drop
it
off
at
the
other
guy's
house,
he'd
drop,
it
drive
him
or
her
home
and
then
drive
it
for
another
12
hours.
That
simply
is
not
what
we're
seeing
now
we're
not
seeing
two
drivers
on
the
same
vehicle
or
three
drivers
on
the
same
vehicle.
We're
seeing
one
single
driver
driving
one
one
shift,
so
the
wear
and
tear
on
the
vehicle
is,
is
about
half
of
what
it
was
before.
B
I
think
that
that
it
is
incumbent
upon
us-
and
I
think
that
it
that
that
is
important-
that
that
this
distinction
is
made
and
that
councillor
al-shantira
has
brought
forward
this
motion
today.
I
think
it's
entirely
helpful
but,
as
we
said,
we've
we've
got
a
lot
more
work
to
do,
and
we
know
that
you
know
in
the
in
the
dying
months
of
this
term
of
council.
B
I
think
that
we're
doing
as
much
as
we
can
with
the
resources
that
we
have
to
to
to
move
the
needle
on
it
a
little
bit.
But
you
know
comprehensive
review
of
our
relationship
with
the
taxi
industry.
Just
simply
is
not
something
that
we
can
accomplish
before
the
senate
term,
and
I
think
that
staff
have
worked
in
good
faith
along
with
members
of
this
committee
who
participated
in
a
very
thoughtful
discussion
today
on
this
item.
B
So
again,
my
thanks
to
staff
to
to
all
counselors
that
have
engaged
on
this
item
and
and
to
our
partners
in
the
taxi
industry
for
continuing
to
provide
accessible
service
to
to
our
community.
We
we
certainly
do
appreciate
it
very
much
so
council,
russian
tyria
is
called
gays
and
nays
on
on
his
motion
and
so
joey.
If
you
will
call
the
role
please.
E
C
A
H
C
B
B
B
Number
three
passed
on
consent
and
therefore
we'll
move
on
to
crime
prevention,
ottawa
annual
report
2021
that
the
community
protection
services
committee
recommended
that
council
receive
the
report
for
information
presenting
on
the
report.
Today
we
have
the
chair
of
crime
prevention,
ottawa,
councilor,
diane
deans,
along
with
nancy
warsfold
and
rob
boyd.
The
program
manager
from
sandy
hill
community
health
center
is
going
to
be
on
hand
as
well,
and
a
powerpoint
presentation
is
planned
so
over
to
you,
counselor.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
this
item.
As
you
all
know,
crime
prevention
ottawa
continues
to
play
an
impactful
leadership
and
convening
role
addressing
safety
issues
in
our
communities
as
a
small
funder,
cpo
strategically
allocates
money
to
develop,
promote
and
support,
emerging
and
overlooked
priorities
as
a
knowledge
broker.
Cpo
leverages
its
established
networks
to
disseminate
good
practices
in
community
safety,
as
with
many
organizations,
cpo
has
had
to
pivot
its
work
throughout
the
pandemic.
E
I'm
proud
of
the
work
that
cpo,
the
cpo
team,
has
been
able
to
produce
throughout
the
pandemic
and
look
forward
to
seeing
the
organization
continue
to
address
these
complex
issues
as
we
move
forward.
In
addition
to
a
brief
overview
of
our
annual
report,
we
will
also
be
sharing
some
groundbreaking
research
with
you
today
about
the
safety
needs
of
drug
users.
In
our
city.
There
seems
to
be
no
research
done
at
all
on
victimization
from
the
point
of
view
of
drug
users,
even
though
this
is
likely
the
most
victimized
population
among
us
before.
E
E
Nancy
has
been
a
figurehead
at
cpo
for
many
years
and
under
her
leadership,
cpo
has
been
able
to
support
so
many
communities
and
vulnerable
groups
in
our
city.
She
has
done
so
much
good
work
with
her
small
team
and
it's
hard
to
imagine
cpo
without
her
at
the
helm
on
behalf
of
all
of
us
here
today,
thanks
nancy,
for
your
leadership
and
now
over
to
you
for
a
brief
summer
summary
of
our
work
in
2021
and
then
I
will
turn
it
over
to
our
community
partner
for
the
research.
P
So
to
the
next
slide,
please
last
year
we
presented
to
you
our
new
strategic
plan,
which
focuses
on
four
priorities:
neighborhoods
youth,
gender-based
violence
and
vulnerable
adults.
We
also
have
cross-cutting
priorities
on
anti-racism
and
inclusion
and
mental
wellness.
This
report
focuses
on
our
actions
to
forward
these
priorities.
P
Cpo
is
known
for
our
well-attended
events.
Our
biggest
success
last
year
with
over
1500
participants,
was
a
series
of
eight
webinars
which
showcased
different
approaches
to
responding
to
mental
health
crises.
We
spotlighted
examples
from
ottawa,
niagara,
eugene,
oregon,
edmonton
and
toronto.
We
did
this
with
our
partners.
The
social
planning
council
of
ottawa,
the
ottawa
black
mental
health
coalition
and
min
washington
lodge
these
webinars
are
still
available
online
for
viewing
live.
P
Please
we've
continued
to
focus
on
the
biggest
barriers
facing
youth
with
research
on
employment
and
criminal
records
and
with
startup
funds
for
an
innovative,
family-based
approach
to
street
violence
life.
Please,
our
work
on
gender-based
violence
continues
to
evolve
with
projects
focusing
on
creating
safe
spaces
for
2s,
lgbtq
plus
youth
and
with
a
focus
on
online
and
cyber
violence.
P
Please
we
continue
to
support
many
individual
neighborhoods,
both
through
funding
and
through
our
committee
participation,
and
we
also
seek
to
build
city-wide
initiatives.
A
lasting
contribution
to
neighborhood
wellness
has
been
the
development
and
ongoing
support
of
the
post-incident
neighborhood
support
networks
in
partnership
with
rita
rockwood
community
resource
center
live.
Please.
P
Moving
to
our
new
priority
on
vulnerable
adults,
we
hosted
two
tame
home
takeover
training
sessions
with
172
registrants
and
we
also
consulted
with
numerous
organizations
outside
of
ottawa
with
regards
to
replication
requests,
but
perhaps
most
important
slide.
Please
I'd
like
to
welcome
rob
boyd
the
oasis
program
director
at
sandy
hill
community
health
center
rob
has
been
a
long
time
advocate
for
the
health
and
safety
of
drug
users.
He
has
stewarded
this
extremely
interesting
research
on
creating
a
safer
downtown
for
all
over
to
you,
rob.
K
K
K
K
We
put
together
an
advisory
committee
of
people
with
limited
living
experience
of
marginalized
substance
use
and
then
they
developed
and
implemented
a
survey
to
get
for
for
their
community
to
understand
their
safety
concerns
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
right
that
you
know,
two-thirds
of
the
respondents
to
these
surveys
indicated
that
they
did
not
feel
safe
from
violence,
sometimes
or
most
of
the
time.
Next
slide.
Please.
K
These
are
some
of
the
recurring
themes
that
came
up
so
these
were
both
kind
of
you
know,
suggesting
certain
things,
but
also
just
open
comments
from
people,
and
there
are
a
variety
of
things
and
that
people
had
identified
safety
in
in
several
different
ways.
So
there
was
physical
safety
from
harm
of
assault.
It
was
safety
from
overdosed
from
the
toxic
drug
supply.
K
There
is
also
safety
theft
and
then
also
psychological
safety.
So
a
lot
of
talk
about
safe
space
and
stigmatization
around
what
what
the
needs
of
the
community
are
next
slide.
Please
and
then,
when
we
asked
people
who
use
drugs,
what
types
of
things
are
known
to
help-
and
this
is
again
a
general
open
question
to
them,
and
you
could
see
the
types
of
things
that
they
had
suggested
would
be
a
benefit
to
them.
K
K
Using
these
sites
now
qualify
that
a
bit
in
that
there
there
is
a
specific
recommendation
from
this
community
that
they
would
like
to
see
some
better
training
of
police
and
security
services
on
how
to
approach
and
what
the
needs
of
people
these
drugs
are
and
the
impact
of
some
of
the
ways
that
enforcement
is
being
undertaken,
impact
them
and
then,
in
some
cases,
actually
certainly
increase
the
unsafe
conditions
that
they
that
they
are
existing
next
slide.
Please.
K
They
certainly
thought
more
globally
and
and
around
things
that
would
be
outside
of
the
scope
of
some
implementable
projects,
at
least
at
the
level
of
an
organization,
but
I
think
that
there
could
well
be
some
things
here
that
the
city
could
look
at.
Some
of
these
are
advocacy
pieces.
As
we
know,
this
is
a
you
know,
municipal,
provincial
and
federal
area.
K
All
all
players
need
to
be
at
the
table
when
we're
talking
about
trying
to
address
some
of
these,
these
big
social
issues,
but
there
are
certainly
some
things
here
that
I
know,
for
example,
the
career.
The
city
is
currently
looking
at
in
terms
of
more
drop-in
hours
and
more
drop-in
spaces,
and
so
I
think,
continuing
to
look
at
things
that
the
city
could
be
involved
in
that
are
kind
of
outside
the
scope
or
scale
of
what
individual
organizations
might
be
able
to
do
is
an
important
outcome
of
this.
This
research
next
slide.
K
K
Connect
them
to
services,
meet
some
practical
needs,
and
I
have
to
say,
like
it's,
really
really
important
when
we're
thinking
about
any
long-term
solution
to
the
problems
that
we're
facing
in
in
the
downtown
core.
That
people
who
use
drugs
need
to
be
present
in
these
conversations
and
that
we
have
lost
a
lot
of
leadership
and
capacity
over
the
last
couple
of
years
amongst
people
who
use
drugs,
and
that
is
really
important
that
we
invest
in
some
community
development
initiatives.
K
K
Here's
the
the
recommendation
around
peer
involved,
training
program
for
security
and
police
and
and
then
as
another
item
that
came
forward,
is
that
over
the
last
couple
of
years
in
ottawa,
we
have
seen
an
increase
in
the
use
of
crystal
methamphetamine.
This
is
fairly
new
to
us
in
the
city
of
ottawa
and
that
we
would
certainly
benefit
from
more
training
and
learning
about
how
to
respond
to
the
needs
of
people
who
use
crystal
meth
next
slide.
K
So,
looking
for
some
solutions,
around
kind
of
the
broader,
larger
storage
belongings
to
keep
them
safe,
but
also
some
really
practical
things
around
items
of
high
priority
for
them
that
they
want
to
have
some
capacity
to
keep
safe
on
the
person.
So
this
could
be
identification.
It
could
be
money,
it
could
be
drugs,
but
so
the
idea
of
money
belts
or
fanny
packs,
or
something
like
that
where
people
can
have
kind
of
a
greater
sense
of
I'm
going
to
protect
these
things.
K
The
community
has
experienced
a
lot
of
loss
a
lot
of
death.
We
continue
to
see
opioid
toxicity
deaths
rise
in
the
in
the
province
in
the
city
of
ottawa
and
there
has
been
a
significant
increase
in
the
homeless
population
unrelated
to
overdose
mortality,
and-
and
this
is
just
layering
on
in
terms
of
all
the
other
losses
that
people
have.
So
we
have
for
many
years
in
the
in
in
ottawa,
had
an
annual
celebration
called
drug
user
memorial
day
in
july.
K
K
And
this,
of
course,
could
you
know
dovetails
nicely
with
the
with
the
idea
of
that.
You
know
from
that,
then
you
know
developing
some
specific
training,
but
but
an
opportunity
for
and
over
police
over-policed
community
to
be
able
to
to
to
come
to
the
table,
to
have
some
of
these
conversations
that
we
hope
might
might
improve,
improve
the
police's
ability
to
intervene
in
these
situations
and
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
B
F
K
K
K
K
F
F
K
K
And
unfortunately,
the
number
is
much
larger
than
that,
because
again
we
have
five
booths
yeah
in
our
in
our
site.
So
if
you
look
at
you,
you
would
need
to
add
in
some
of
the
inner
city
numbers
from
the
trailer,
some
southwest
public
health
and
it's
it's
a
much
larger
number
we're
talking
in
the
thousands.
F
K
K
We
don't
collect
any
data
with
in
relation
to
residents.
I
would
say
that
you
know
from
our
experience
and
from
the
experience
of
sites
across
the
country
that
most
people
don't
travel
great
distances
in
in
terms
of
using
services
like
supervised
consumption.
So
I
think
my
guess
would
be
that
it
would
be
a
high
percentage
who
are
living
in
the
areas
around
the
site
within,
say
a
50
20
minute
walking
distance
of
the
sites.
Okay,.
F
I'm
just
wondering
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
data
collection
would
be
an
important
part
of
a
survey
number
one,
because
we
don't
really
know
if
we
don't
know
who's
using.
I
mean
I
understand
there
is
the
anonymity
factor,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
data
collection.
Could
you
could
I'm
not
suggesting?
Maybe
you
do
have
that
some
kind
of
data
collection,
but
how
do
we
know
that
if
you
know,
if
we
don't
understand
who
these
people
are,
maybe
the
services
that
they
require?
F
K
We
so
we
do
actually
do
quite
a
bit
of
data
collection
and
we
do
a
significant
amount
of
reporting
on
the
supervised
consumption
services.
I
do
25
reports
a
year
to
the
provincial
and
federal
government
on
this
one
program,
so
it's
actually
an
over-reported
program
relative
to
anything
else
that
we
do.
Those
data
do
include.
You
know
posting
references,
referrals
to
things
like
substance
use,
treatment,
social
services.
K
We
would
probably
get
to
a
better
number
now
than
we
could
before
we
had
the
sites
in
existence
when
it
was
really
really
difficult,
then
then,
to
count
and
then
you're,
just
looking
at
those
who
are
using
the
sites
as
well,
because
you
know
that
this
is
an
issue
that
is
really
across
auto.
I
don't,
I
doubt,
there's
a
ward
that
doesn't
isn't
touched
and
impacted
by
the
opioid
crisis.
F
K
K
No,
we
don't
have
enough
services,
I
mean
you
know.
I
think
that
we
we
need
to.
I
mean
this
is
across
the
board,
like,
I
think
you
know,
I
think
that
we
would
benefit
from
more
geographically
placed
supervised
consumption
services,
but
we
also
need
more
access
to
substance,
use
and
mental
health
treatment
services.
So,
as
I
think
across
the
board,
there's
a
lot
more
need
for
service.
F
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
suppose
I
just
have
one
one
very
brief
question.
Before
moving
on
to
our
colleagues
and
I
think
that
councillor
meehan
touched
on
it
a
little
bit
these
mitigative
measures
to
ensure
that
that
we're
reducing
harm,
I
think,
are
entirely
laudable.
We
would
like
to
see
more
investment.
B
I
do
believe
personally
that-
and
perhaps
this
is
this
is
born
out
in
in
the
research
that
drug
use
is
a
is
a
symptom
of
of
a
mental
health
issue
and
and
not
necessarily
its
own,
its
own
standalone
issue.
People
tend
to
you,
know
not
wake
up
in
the
morning
and
decide
that
today
is
the
day
that
I'm
going
to
try
and
elicit
substance.
B
You
know
unless
there's
other
mental
health
issues
that
are
ongoing,
that
access
to
to
early
intervention
and
access
to
intervention
when
it
comes
to
you
know,
treatment
programs
within
the
city
of
ottawa
will
be
so
important
to
tackling
this
opioid
crisis
and
this
illicit
drug
crisis
that
we
have
going
on
right
now.
Can
you
describe
what
what
programs
are
available?
What
what
funded
taxpayer
taxpayer-funded
programs
or
public
programs
are
available
to
somebody
you
know?
Should
they
decide
that
you
know?
K
K
Opioids
that
are
really
difficult
for
people
to
to
remain
engaged
in
care,
so
there's
a
huge
gap
in
our
system
right
now,
around
access
to
injectable,
opioid
egg
and
it's
treatment
and
the
gap
is,
is
that
the
high
dose
formulation
of
hydromorphone
is
not
available
on
the
provincial
formulary.
So
this
is
something
that
we've
been
advocating
for
for
a
number
of
years.
So
that
way
we
can
actually
get
people
up
to
to
match
the
doses
of
fentanyl
that
are
in
the
street.
K
So
you
know
for
other
types
of
substance
use
treatment
we
have
sar,
which
is
our
main
referral
source
for
anybody,
who's
looking
to
get
into
either
residential
or
outpatient
substance
use
treatment.
So
we
would
make
the
referral
into
them.
They
would
do
the
assessment
of
need
and
then
they
would
be
referred
to
the
various
treatment
organizations
within
the
city
or
within
the
province.
K
If,
if
it's
more
indicated
that
they
would
go
out
there
in
the
area
of
mental
health,
I
think
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
movement
that
has
been
made
recently
in
terms
of
the
mild
to
moderate
mental
health
for
people.
So
the
one
call
one
click
type
of
initiative
or
the
kids
come
first
with
certainty.
You
chio,
I
forget
what
the
g01
is
called
right
now,
but
in
terms
of
the
severe
mental
illness
and
stuff
that
we're
seeing
on
the
streets,
we
certainly
need
a
bigger
investment.
B
I
wasn't
aware
of
the
issue
of
the
replacement
therapy
and
the
potency
issue.
Thank
you,
I'm
that's
all
I
always
love
when
you
know
I
can
come
to
a
committee
and
learn
something.
I
really
really
do
appreciate
that
so
much.
This
is
absolutely
something
we
need
to
be
continuing
to
advocate,
for
this
is
certainly
a
mental
health
crisis,
and
the
drug
crisis
is
a
symptom
of
that.
There's.
D
B
M
M
You
know
from
an
alternate
perspective,
so
it's
it's
nice
to
see
you
here
and
and
presenting
to
us
the
you
know
the
the
issues
faced
by
by
people
who
use
drugs-
and
you
know,
while
we
have
a
you,
know
an
award
I
represent
as
well,
so
we're
set
west.
We
have,
you
know,
supervised
consumption
services
we
still
have
got.
M
I
mean
I
think
you
know
we
have
to
move
beyond
calling
it
an
opioid
crisis.
It's
it's
a
poison
drug
crisis,
really
people
are
being
poisoned
every
day
and
we're
allowing
it
to
continue.
I
mean
decriminalization
is
certainly
what
what
needs
to
happen
safe
supply,
decriminalization.
We
know
what
the
what
the
we
know.
What
the
answers
are.
M
We
just
don't
have
the
political
will
to
to
make
that
happen
at
different
levels
of
government,
but
I
just
wonder:
rob
you
know
in
terms
of
providing
safe
space
and
again
just
coming
back
to
somerset
ward,
because
in
in
in
this
ward
in
this
neighborhood-
and
you
know
I
look
for
you-
know-
added
resources
all
the
time
that
and
they
don't
exist.
Like
I
go
to
the
city,
they
don't
exist.
Nothing.
Nothing
exists
like
for
me
to
get
one
or
two
people
to
be
able
to
just
walk
through
don
donald
park.
M
It's
you
know,
we
don't
have
data
on
that
as
a
city.
I
know
what's
happening
because
I
go
into
a
lot
of
roomy
houses,
but
so
people
living
in
roomy
houses,
who
are
you
know
using
drugs
but
then
looking
for
their
safe
space
and
that's
often
in
public
spaces,
especially
now
with
colvid
or
you
know,
as
a
result
of
covid.
You
know
in
public
parks,
for
example,
and
and
the
the
threats
that
they
face.
You
know
from
others.
You
know
who
have
more
predatory
behaviors.
M
Is
that
something
that
you've
looked
at
and
have
considered
in
terms
of
what
the
what
we
need
to
do
as
a
city
to
keep
people
who
have
no
other
space,
except
for
public
space
to
to
congregate,
to
come
together
to
they
use
in
public?
Obviously
we
have
our
consumption
services,
but
which
is
not
always
available,
so
is
that
is
that
something
that
that
cpo
is
is
looking
at
is,
is
considering
and
has
recommendations
around.
M
You
know,
or
you
know,
groups
working
in
donald
park
that
they're
brought
into
the
conversation,
because
we
we
really
have
to
you
know
we
really
have
to
come
up
with
with
solutions
and
and
those
solutions
will
you
know
we
will
need
some
funding
to
go
towards
them,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
just
wanted
to
put
in
a
marker
and
for
people
living
in
rooming
houses
and
and
needing
that
public
space.
Thank
you,
chair.
K
And-
and
I
would
say
just
to
respond
to
your
point
around-
you
know
public
spaces.
You
know
there
is.
There
was
a
reference
to
that
in
the
themes
and
and
what
would
work,
and
so
there
was
something
with
regards
to
kind
of
like
a
designated
camping
spot,
and
so
that
was
speaking
about
safety
needs
in
public
space
and
you're.
Absolutely
right,
I
mean
a
lot
of
our
drop-in.
K
Centers
are
inside
buildings,
often
inside
basements
and
buildings,
and
things
like
that
and
when
the
weather
gets
nice,
people
don't
want
to
be
there
necessarily
they
like
to
be
outside.
So
how
do
we
create
these
spaces
outside
where
people
feel
safe?
So
I
think
that's
a
really
important
challenge.
A
They
really
need
services
and
it's
a
challenge,
because
when
you
have
when
you're
a
landlord
but
you're,
that's
the
job,
but
there's
not
the
services,
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
time
to
talk
about
it.
There's
a
provincial
election
going
on
and
I
believe
these
are
the
funds
that
should
be
coming
from
the
province
since
it's
health
related.
A
I
don't
think
anyone
says
it
about
alcoholism,
but
it's
just
one
of
those
things
that
we
have
to
get
over,
and
I
like
your
comment
because
there's
people
who
are
alcoholics
too,
and
that
seems
to
be
probably
more
sympathy
for
for
people
rather
than
than
the
drug
addicts.
I
really
I
really
appreciate
the
work
of
like
the
recovery
day
ottawa's
recovery
day.
I
I
think
that's
great.
It
just
makes
it
so
that
people
can
talk
about
it.
A
K
Yeah,
thank
you
yeah.
So
it's
definitely
I
mean
if
you're
talking
about
you
know
why
things
are
being
done.
Why
they're
not
funded
like
stigma
is
the
answer
to
those
questions
like
you
know,
it
is
a
huge
economic
impact
and
safety
impact
as
we're
talking
about
on
community.
But
the
fact
that
you
know
all
levels
of
government
are
not
actively
fully
engaged
on.
This
has
absolutely
to
do
with
their
perceptions
of
drugs
and
the
people
who
use
them
and
that
there
is
a
a
differential
that
exists.
K
You
know
based
on
the
substance-
and
this
has
been
you
know,
demonstrated
you
know
throughout
canadians,
canadian
history
of
drug
policy
and
the
american
history
that
it's
very
racialized.
It's
very
you
know,
then
what
drugs
are
legal
and
what
drugs
are
illegal
is
completely
arbitrary
determination
and
it
really
had
to
do
with
the
skin
of
the
people
who
were
using
using
these
drugs.
So
so
that's
a
that's,
a
very
live,
very
real
impact
in
terms
of
of
criminalization,
but
also
accessing
and
leveraging
services
for
people.
K
So
so
absolutely-
and
you
know,
as
as
you're
having
conversations
with
constituents
it's
around
just
correcting
some
of
that,
I
think,
is
really
important-
that
you're
using
person
first
language
is
of
course
very
important
as
well
and
situating
the
person
and
also
recognizing,
as
somebody
it
was
counselor
luloff.
But
you
know.
K
People
are
in
this
position
for
a
reason,
and
a
lot
in
that
reason
has
really
been
outside
of
their
control.
That
has
been
these
structures
around
them
that
have
drawn
them
into
this,
and
that
you
know
using
substances
is
the
only
solution
that
they
see
or
the
only
relief
that
they
get
from
the
social
conditions
under
which
we
require
them
to
live
in
the
psychological
distress
of
being
completely
disconnected
and
cut
off
from
from
our
community.
A
J
Great,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
I
think
more
and
more
people.
I
look
at
my
colleagues.
We
all
see
the
situations
that
are
occurring.
How
many
times
we
may
have
a
family
member
or
acquaintance.
That's
hey.
Can
you
shoot
me
50
bucks
and
you
know
exactly
what's
going
on
and
it's
just
a
downhill
spiral
for
for
these
people
and
a
lot
of
these
people?
Are
they
don't
have
money?
J
They
can't
get
into
private
institutions,
and
I
guess
I'm
just
looking
for
a
comment
based
on
on
what
you
see
for-
and
I've
heard
this
firsthand
from
a
family
member
that
that
has
a
a
crack
addiction
that
they
can't
get
into
any
of
the
places
unless
they
get
into
shelter
systems.
First,
to
be
able
to
get
back
in
to
get
the
required
help
necessary
because
fentanyl
is
the
prevailing
drug
of
the
day.
I
believe
what
is
there?
Is
there
a
solution
to
this?
J
J
K
Yeah,
it's
definitely
a
struggle,
and
certainly
my
heart
goes
out
to
families
and
loved
ones
of
people
who
are
struggling.
It's
a
really
difficult
thing
to
watch
what's
going
on
and
to
be
powerless
because
you
are
powerless
right.
That
person
is
making
decisions
that
that
you
might
not
agree
with,
or
that
you
know
is
harming
them
and
it's
a
hard
position
for
people
to
be
in.
I
think
I
think
it's.
K
It
really
speaks
to
an
under
investment
in
treatment
in
general,
which
is
the
problem,
and
so
therefore
you
know,
if
you
want
to
increase
people's
access,
you
actually
have
to
build
more
treatment.
I
think
it's
also
important
to
to
note
that
you
know
treatment
services
as
they
are
now
are,
are
pretty
woefully
underfunded.
So
I
think
that
we
need
actually
an
investment
just
to
get
the
industry
up
to
a
livable
standard.
In
some
cases
not
everybody
needs
to
have
residential.
I
some
definitely
would
benefit
from
it.
K
I
I
haven't
heard
that
anything
about
you
having
to
go
through
the
shelter
system
to
get
access
to
to
that
ad.
So
I
would
encourage
people
to
continue
to
to
make
application
to
star
service
access
to
recovery
here
in
ottawa,
which
is
that
centralized
place
to
place
people
in
services
and
and
to
look
at
what's
the
best
match.
I
mean,
I
think
you
know
mentally
and
I
think,
based
on
how
we
we
understand
things
from
popular
culture
if
you're
not
within
the
system.
Everybody
kind
of.
K
To
rehab,
everybody
has
to
go
to
a
residential
in
order
for
this
to
work.
That's
that's
not
the
case.
There's
lots
of
really
good
interventions
that
can
be
done
in
the
community
that
have
equally
good
outcomes
so
just
being
open
to
to
that
is
another
option,
but
it's
definitely
we
need
a
whole.
We
need
a
whole
host
of
different
types
of
interventions
for
people,
because
the
other
piece
that
I
just
want
to
say
is
being
cautious
around
managing
expectations.
J
J
R
J
N
N
N
And
so
I
thought
it
was
a
very
powerful
tool
when
I
was
a
community
association
president
actually
helping
pilot
that
project
and
and
now
on
the
other
side.
After
being
elected.
I'm
seeing
you
know,
neighborhood
programs
such
as
the
one
in
jasmine
crescent,
and
also
the
one
that
has
been
implemented
in
overbrook
to
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
more
of
a
societal
approach
rather
than
an
enforcement
approach
per
se.
N
One
that's
more
focused
on
social
service
intervention
than
than
enforcement,
which
I
think
is
very
important.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
shed
some
more
light
on
some
of
the
neighborhood
based
initiatives
that
that
you're
undertaking
and
the
way
that
you're
seeing
those
initiatives
evolve.
P
P
Thanks
counselor
king,
in
fact,
the
research
that
rob
just
presented
started
out
as
it
is
as
a
neighborhood-based
project
and
the
the
beginnings
of
the
discussions
with
sandy
hill
was
really
around
a
multitude
of
safety
issues
in
their
area.
But
it
quickly
became
apparent
that,
in
the
absence
of
dealing
with
the
safety
issues
facing
drug
users,
we
couldn't
really
be
addressing
the
safety
issues
for
other
populations.
P
P
N
Well,
I
appreciate
that
answer.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you've
done
over
your
your
career,
especially
with
crime
prevention
ottawa
at
the
city.
I
think
that
it
has
paid
dividends
in
in
communities
and
I
have
to
agree
with
you.
I
think
that,
as
we
move
more
towards
normalcy,
we
will
see
a
greater
community
cohesion
when
we're
able
to
interact
with
each
other
once
again
in
a
more
normal
fashion.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
the
effort
that
you've
brought
to
cpo
and
to
the
city.
N
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
and
sorry
rob.
I
missed
your
presentation,
but
as
as
you're
in
the
award,
I'm
privileged
to
get
the
stats
and
the
feedback.
Quite
often,
I'm
happy
to
see
colleagues
engage
and
you
know
I
I
do
think
that
it
a
bit
like
a
the
the
recent
article
that
I
was
discussing
with
the
chair
recently
from
fcm
carol,
carol,
saab,
wrote
about
housing
and
and
all
how
all
levels
of
government
really
need
to
pay
attention
on
the
housing
crisis
and
can
do
interventions.
D
I
think
addictions
is
a
bit
of
the
same
where
and
recognizing
some
of
the
the
city
challenges
or
the
people
challenges
in
cities
can
also
support
the
health
response
that
are
that
are
needed,
particularly
in
large
canadian
cities.
So
I
wanna
thank
you
for
your
work.
I
I
know
it's
not
easy.
I
know
it
continues
to
evolve
and
in
case
I
missed
it,
and
I
apologize.
Can
you
do
you?
Have
the
stat
handy
of
someone
that
was
injecting
drugs
a
few
years
ago?
D
K
Yeah
so
yeah.
So
thanks
for
the
question,
because
it
was
not
part
of
the
presentation
so
as
that's
one
of
the
big
shifts
that
fentanyl
had
done
with
us.
So
when
we
started
our
advocacy
and
all
of
our
planning
around
the
supervised
consumption
services,
we
were.
We
were
looking
at
a
model
of
oxycontin
and
hydromorphin,
like
those
were
the
drugs
that
were
actively
circulating
in
the
unregulated
supply
at
the
time
and
that's
what
we're
basing
it
on.
K
So
each
opioid
is
different
in
terms
of
its
level
of
toxicity
or
potency
and
also
they're
different
in
terms
of
how
long
they
last
in
the
body.
So
so
we
were
basing
it
on
on
models
drug
that
people
would
require
three
to
four
injections
per
day
in
order
to
kind
of
keep
themselves
well
in
their
in
their
use
with
fentanyl.
It
is
a
much
higher
potency
but
much
much
shorter,
acting
drug
so
that
the
average
number
of
injections
has
jumped
to
nine
to
13.
K
so
and
people.
So
what
that
means
that
people
continuously
feel
dope
sick
and
that's
you
know
what
drives
a
lot
of
their
their
sense
of
desperation
and
things
like
that,
and
it's
just
more
frequent
needed.
You
know,
puts
people
into
this
cycle
of
of
use,
acquire
money,
purchase
drugs
use.
You
know
that
that
it's
really
difficult
for
them
to
get
traction
to
begin
working
on
other
things,
and
we've
actually
begun
to
shift
some
of
our
resources
to
match
that
reality.
K
Where
we
we
had
some
case
management
resources
that
were
very
goal
oriented
for
people,
and
we
we've
really
shortened
that
to
say
what
are
some
of
the
immediate
needs
that
people
have.
How
can
we
get
traction
under
their
feet
so
that
way
they
can
hopefully
start
moving
on
some
things
and
then,
as
we
can,
we
can
help
to
stabilize
them.
So
it's
really
it's
a
really
challenging
thing
and
it's
challenging
several
levels
of
intervention
as
to
how
do
we
respond
to
this?
Really,
you
know
game-changing
shift
in
the
drug
supply.
K
So
I
I
don't,
I
don't
know
off
top
my
head,
the
2021
data
for
it.
I
think
it
is
slightly
higher
than
the
2020
data,
which
was
a
big
jump
we
went
from.
I
think
it
was
68
to
overdose
deaths
in
the
city.
We
have
seen
a
really
significant
increase
in
the
number
of
overdose
interventions
in
our
site,
and
I
would
expect
that's
the
same
across
so
you
know
last
2021.
This
is
the
data
that
I'm
more
familiar
with
2021.
We
had
over
700
overdose
interventions
on
the
site.
K
None
of
those
resulted
in
a
fatality,
but-
and
then
we
had
you
know,
a
significant
number
of
those
did
require
the
administration
of
naloxone,
which
is
kind
of
an
indication
of
severity
for
us,
because
we
would
typically
start
with
oxygen
for
people
and
then
a
smaller
percentage,
but
still
not
insignificant
required
multiple
doses
of
naloxone.
So
you
know
in
terms
of
a
proxy
of
of
how
much
more
death
we
would
have
had.
K
If
you
look
at
that,
naloxone
administration
as
a
proxy
things
could
have
been
a
lot
worse,
so
we
know
that
they
have
continued
to
rise,
but
just
not
at
the
same
rate,
but
I
don't
have
the
numbers
for
2021.
They
are
available.
I
think,
on
the
public
health
ontario
website,
they
have
an
interactive,
attractive,
opioid
tool,
and
so
you
can
get
access
to
at
least
some
up
to
date,
there's
always
a
lag
and
a
delay
in
overdose
data,
as
the
coroner
investigates
cases.
D
K
That
question
did
come
up
earlier.
It's
really
difficult
to
characterize
the
size
of
this
this
population
because
they
tend
not
to
identify
themselves.
You
know
and
in
general
ways,
and
then
the
services
that
we
offer
are
often
anonymous,
and
we
don't.
We
don't
actually
currently
have
any
of
these
broad
surveys
that
are
happening
in
these
bigger
research
projects
that
might
be
able
to
get
us
to
a
closer
approximation
of
that
number.
K
But
I
think,
as
I
said
earlier
like,
it
is
really
clear
that
we
underestimated
the
number
of
people
who
are
injecting
drugs
and
it
is
reasonable
to
think,
given
that
you
know
other
substance.
Use
has
gone
up
over
the
last
two
years.
If
you
look
at
what
we
know
in
terms
of
alcohol
and
cannabis,
use
that
very
likely
injection
drug
use
has
gone
up
over
the
last
two
years
as
well.
D
D
Now
and
I'll
show
you
some
of
those
those
challenges
and
that's
why
I'm
so
adamant
about
the
importance
of
a
key
to
a
unit
with
the
lease
on
the
range
of
services.
I
I
do
want
to
bring
some
attention
to
a
strong
partner
collaboration
between
pathways
for
recovery,
the
health
and
resource
centers
and
oph
relating
to
safe
supply,
which,
which
I
think
is
is
certainly
part
of
the
response
spectrum
and,
I
think,
rob
highlighted
very
very
carefully.
D
So
I
do
see
a
a
bright
light
if
we
can
get
residents
to
have
their
own
units
with
a
key
and
if
we
can
offer
expanded
safe
supply
to
those
who
can
directly
benefit
from
it,
then
we
really
remove
some
of
the
stigma
issues
and
we
remove
directly
the
community
impact
issues
and
I
know
rob
rob's
on
the
front
line
of
those
conversations
with
the
health
ministries
and
so
on,
but
just
so
that
we're
giving
a
bit
of
a
voice
to
these
programs
they're
important.
They
start
at
inner
city
health.
K
K
D
Yeah
so
so
I
just
think
it's
important
for
council
and
the
public
and
and
and
the
media
to
understand
we're
identifying
a
a
real
community
pressure,
but
there's
some
system
gaps
and
system
barriers
to
accessing
a
clean
drug.
As
as
you
and
I
would
go
see
a
doctor,
we
go
to
our
pharmacy,
get
a
prescription
and
and
then
wherever
we
would
take
that
that
prescription,
that
drug
we
wouldn't
be
stigmatized
and
unfortunately
that
is
not.
That
is
not
entirely
available
to
to
residents
here
in
our
city.
D
D
You
were
always
diligent
in
bringing
forward
the
voices
of
and
validating
what
what
residents
were
saying
in
businesses,
and
you
kept
the
city
partners
as
well
as
ops
and
others
accountable
to
those
conversations,
and
I
think
you
you've
done
a
a
really
good
job,
where
no
one
could
put
you
in
a
corner.
You
were
always
based
on
facts.
You
were
always
engaging
folks,
you
were
always
open
to
to
bringing
forward
solutions
and
and
and
and
if
residents
were
or
or
if
residents
or
stakeholders
weren't
factual.
D
You
would
also
have
a
a
very
really
good
way,
a
really
professional
way
of
clarifying
those
points,
so
you
will
be
missed.
I
want
to
thank
you
I
I
did
reach
out
to
the
clerk's
office
and
it's
no
in
no
means
a
a
question
of
questioning
the
organization
or
an
individual
or
the
board
or
anything,
but
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that,
as
part
of
the
governance
review,
that's
coming
up
for
council
that
we
do
look
at
opportunities
and
the
future
of
governance.
D
I
I
know,
for
example,
we
have
the
safety
and
well-being
plan.
That's
out
there
there's
some
some
efforts
around
mental
health,
there's
cpo,
so
I
don't
know
where
it
lands.
I
don't
have
a
personal
opinion,
but
I
just
do
want
to
make
sure
that
that
the
crime
prevention
ottawa
as
one
of
the
city's
agencies
boards
commissions,
is
included
in
the
upcoming
governance.
D
Okay-
and
I
don't
want
to
bring
fear
here,
I
do
think
the
work
is
important.
That
work
is
valuable,
but
I
do
think
it's
also
important
to
modernize
with
all
that
we've
gone
through
and
and
the
opportunities
here
to
respond
to
some
of
the
growing
pressures
in
our
city.
We
need
to
equip
an
organization
like
cpo
to
respond
to
to
respond
in
a
in
an
effective
way.
So
again,
thank
you.
Everyone.
Thank
you,
nancy.
I
hope
that
we'll
have
a
chance
to
properly.
Thank
you
in
person.
D
E
B
Yeah
we
did
pass
the
second
coin:
prevention,
ottawa
board
of
directors
nominations.
Thank
you,
counselor
deans,
for
your
kind
words,
very
glad
to
support
that.
We
have
no
in-camera
items
today,
counselor
fleury.
I
do
believe
that
you
wished
to
lift
a
piece
of
information
previously
distributed
for
comment.
D
D
Not
only
is
it
important
for
us
to
meet
our
ghg
targets,
it's
also
important
for
us
to
ensure
that
the
quality
of
air
in
arenas
is
is
it
is
top
notch.
I
lived
and-
and
you
lived
yourself
when
we
were
in
pools-
and
there
was
chloramines
up
the
yin
yang
and
lifeguards
were
itchy
eyes
and
so
on,
and
certainly
the
attention
of
aquatic
staff
at
the
time
to
bring
in
the
uv
systems
so
that
we
could
lower
the
the
concentration
of
chlorine
made.
D
A
significant
difference
to
employees
made
a
significant
difference
to
all
pool
users,
and
I
think
we're
a
bit
at
the
same
cost
for
for
ice
resurfacers
in
our
city
to
protect
our
employees
and
protect
arena
users
with
green
technology.
So
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
the
ipd
and
looking
forward
to
to
the
future
program
and
procurement.
B
D
Chair-
and
this
is
in
light
of
some
of
the
recent
reporting
for
the
osgood
rooming
house-
I've
been
working
diligently
with
city
staff
and
in
the
community
on
this
matter
for
a
number
of
years,
and
I'm
happy
to
see
that
the
coroner
is
involved,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
that
we
properly
present
some
of
the
challenges
and
and
what
the
city
is
doing
about
it.
So
here
it
goes
for
years.
D
This
reality
continues
to
have
several
severe
and
at
times
tragic
impacts
on
tenants
of
rooming
houses
who
are
forced
to
live
in
unsanitary
and
unsafe
conditions
to
help
ensure
accountability
on
the
part
of
the
landlords
on
rooming
houses.
Can
staff
respond
to
the
following
questions
and
report
back
at
the
earliest
possible
meeting
of
cps
one?
How
many
rooming
house
addresses
are
there
in
ottawa
totaling
how
many
individual
units
two?
How
many
notice
of
violations
have
been
issued
to
property
to
owners
of
rooming
houses
yearly
over
the
last
five
years
and
three?
D
How
how
many
notice
of
violations
were
issued
because
of
proactive,
bylaw
inspections
yearly
over
the
last
five
years?
I
believe
there
might
be
foreign
how
many
proactive
bylaws
for
how
many
proactive,
bile
inspections
at
rooming
house
has
resulted
in
actions
taking
notice
of
violation,
fines
and
repairs
made
by
the
property
owner
five.
Does
the
city
proactively,
investigate
rooming
houses,
known
to
have
repeat
property
standards
and
fractions?
If
so,
how
often
and
six
what
is
the
city
doing
to
ensure
safe
living
conditions
for
residents
in
rooming
houses?
Thank
you.
B
R
B
J
J
I've
watched
the
escalation
over
the
years,
I'm
working
with
them
with
with
the
the
city
manager's
office
at
this
point
to
figure
out
what's
going
on,
I
don't
want
finger
pointed
between
stage
one
or
stage
two
forgive
me
and
the
city
somebody's
got
to
take
responsibility.
We've
got
to
find
a
solution.
J
I
have
condominium
corporations
all
over
the
place
that
now
have
to
spend
seven
eight
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
rat
trapping.
I
have
communities
in
my
neighborhood
they've,
never
seen
a
rat
before
and
they're
popping
up
all
over
the
place,
so
just
to
get
to
the
inquiry.
Beaking
hill,
several
residents
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood
of
stage
2
light
rail
construction
have
been
battling,
the
increase
of
rat
infestations
in
direct
correlation
to
the
construction.
J
This
is
an
issue
for
the
entire
stretch
of
the
lrt
stage
to
roots,
especially
in
east,
and
not
limited
to
my
ward,
like
the
western
theresa's,
it's
been
probably
by
my
colleagues
and
and
reported
in
recent
cbc
news
articles
that
I've
been
working
on
this
for
a
little
while-
and
I
just
saw
the
cbc
article
a
couple
of
days
ago.
So
clearly,
there
is
an
issue.
We
are
fielding
complaints
of
multiple
condominium,
corporation
residents,
incurring
costs
for
rat
abatements,
and
this
has
become
a
persistent
situation
that
will
not
resolve
itself.
J
This
is
a
city
communicated
information
residence.
What
are
the
next
steps
go
forward
to
get
rid
of
this
nuisance
and
provide
the
assistance
to
those
that
are
affected
and
again
I'm
just
looking
for
the
solution.
I'm
not
looking
for
finger,
pointing
even
to
get
sewers
abated
is
becoming
more
and
more
of
a
challenge,
but
hopefully
this
inquiry
will
drive
the
results
that
are
needed
for
the
east
end
colleagues
and
councillors
kavanaugh
as
well.
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
this.
We
truly
do
appreciate
it.
I
know
that
there's
been
so
much
effort
being
put
in
by
staff
with
you
know,
baiting
around
certain
areas,
but
when
you
have
to
send
them,
600
addresses
over
the
course
of
the
summer
to
deal
with
this.
It
certainly
is
an
administrative
burden
on
our
staff,
and
it
certainly
has
felt
very
acutely
by
the
residents
that
have
you
know
either
trapped
or
found
dozens
of
rats
on
their
property
over
the
course
of
the
summer.
So
truly
appreciate
this
inquiry.
B
I
have
an
inquiry
regarding
mitigation
strategies
to
address
ambulance
level,
zero
events.
This
is
something
that
all
of
us,
I
believe
at
one
point
in
time,
have
spoken
about
over.
The
course
of
this
term
is
something
that
councillor
deans
was
very
involved
in
trying
to
fix,
as
a
former
chair
of
cps
and
and
councillor
suds
before
moving
on
to
another
level
of
government.
This
is
something
that
we
all
deeply
care
about
in
the
city
of
ottawa.
B
In
january,
2022,
mayor
jim
watson
and
I
sent
a
letter
to
the
ontario
minister
of
health,
christine
elliott,
requesting
the
minister's
assistance
in
solving
the
long-standing
and
systemic
issue
of
paramedic
offload
delay
at
ottawa.
Hospitals,
as
noted
in
the
letter
offload
delay,
continues
to
be
a
significant
contributor
contributor
to
level
zero
events.
B
That's
when
there
are
no
ambulance
available
to
transfer
a
patient
across
our
city.
The
letter
also
noted
that
there
were
750
level
zero
events
in
ottawa
in
2021
a
considerable
increase
over
the
previous
year.
Since
then,
the
paramedic
chief
has
reported
to
local
media
on
multiple
occasions
that
the
ottawa
paramedic
service
continues
to
incur
significant
offload
delay
at
hospitals,
which
has
led
to
an
increase
in
several
instances
of
level
zero
inner
city.
I
would
like
an
update
on
the
current
offload
delay
in
level
zero
situation
in
ottawa.
B
While
I
am
incredibly
pleased
with
the
work
the
ottawa
paramedic
service
is
doing
to
mitigate
this
issue,
it
effectively
represents
a
transfer
of
responsibility
from
the
provincial
government
onto
our
municipal
services
and
something
that
should
be
paid
for
with
a
larger
tax
base
across
the
entirety
of
the
province
of
ontario
is
being
transferred
onto
the
property
taxes
of
the
city
of
ottawa.
We
are
paying
for
extra
paramedics
to
stay
at
hospitals.
These
are
paramedics
that
could
be
in
trucks
out
there
serving
our
community.
B
Let's
get
to
the
bottom
of
this,
let's
ensure
that
the
province
is
providing
the
proper
funding
for
health
care
in
our
city
moving
forward,
so
that
our
paramedics,
who
are
out
there
every
single
day
serving
residents,
can
do
their
jobs
rather
than
sitting
in
a
parking
lot
at
the
honorable
hospital
or
geo.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
B
B
Thank
you
to
everyone
for
the
spirited
and
respectful
discussion
today
on
some
items
that
you
know
tend
to
to
cause
us
a
little
bit
of
heartburn
in
the
city.
Seeing
everyone
collaborating
together
on
this
committee
means
a
great
deal
to
to
everyone
and
to
our
residents.
So
thank
you
on
adjournment.
Is
the
motion
carried
carrie?
Thank
you,
wonderful.
We
are
adjourned.
Thank
you.
Everyone.
The
next
meeting
of
cpsc,
is
scheduled
for
thursday
june
16th.
Following
that
we
will
take
a
break
and
then
we
will
return
again
until
august.