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From YouTube: Ottawa City Council – June 12, 2013
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Ottawa City Council meeting – June 12, 2013
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
C
D
C
E
You
thank
you,
your
worship.
Mr.
mayor,
our
national
anthem
has
been
sung
today
by
three
talented
young,
ladies
to
them,
from
West
Carlton
secondary
school
they're,
all
involved
in
the
theater
and
musical
theater
for
a
number
of
years,
Harley,
my
father,
the
17
years
old
and
she's
from
multiple
and
she
learned
to
sing
before
she
learned
to
walk
Marley,
she's,
18
years
old
and
from
Woodlawn
she's.
She
got
to
strive
for
that.
She
began
singing
lesson
when
she
were
13
years.
Old
LeBlanc
is
the
home,
the
lighthouse.
E
So
that's
what
a
special
place
for
that
and
Jalen
she's
17
years
old
from
rural
Canada.
She
has
been
taking
singing
and
piano
lessons
since
she
was
4
years
old.
I
would
like
to
thank
these
young,
ladies
for
making
that
trip
to
the
City
Hall
and
think
that
they
are
from
school
to
see
internationally.
C
F
C
Well,
thank
you
very
much
to
those
young,
ladies
from
West
Carlton.
Merci
beaucoup
Ellis,
it's
John
de
West
Carlton
at
this
time.
In
our
schedule
on
our
agenda,
it's
the
mayor
city
builder
award
and
I'd
invite
mark
O'neil
to
come
forward
along
with
marks.
Counselor
counselor
Doug
Thompson,
as
we
recognize
mr.
O'neil,
and
it's
great
to
have
mark
here
and
members
of
his
family
welcome,
be
ever
do.
C
C
D
C
Emergency
people
call
when
you
combine
that
maze
of
numbers
with
where
technology
was,
then
you
could
imagine
how
difficult
it
was
to
get
immediate
assistance
for
a
very
serious
issue
that
people
needed,
whether
they
were
hurt
or
crime,
was
in
progress
or
there
was
a
fire.
Mr.
O'neill
saw
this
probe
problem
and
decided
to
take
action
in
1984
as
just
a
young
21
year
old,
Carlton,
University
student,
mr.
C
O'neill
joined
brothers,
Justin
and
Mark
Bologna,
and
many
of
us
know
Justin
as
the
emergency
physician
at
the
Ottawa
Hospital
and
I
had
the
honor
of
serving
with
Mark
Bologna
as
a
city
councilor
and
a
regional
councillor
and
Jerry
mcgovney
to
form
action
9-1-1.
In
order
to
get
local
leaders
to
establish
a
911
system
within
the
City
of
Ottawa
over
the
ensuing
four
years
they
rallied
public
support
for
this
project
and
on
June
22nd
1988
Ottawa's
911
system
took
its
very
first
call
over.
D
C
An
irreplaceable
service
that
has
saved
countless
of
lives
over
the
last
25
years
and
in
2012
alone,
fielded
over
290
thousand
calls
where
his
impact
on
the
safety
of
Ottawa's
residents
not
already
positive
enough.
Mr.
O'neill
was
also
a
founding
member
of
action.
Paramedic.
This
public
advocacy
group
successfully
lobbied
the
provincial
Ministry
of
Health
to
upgrade
the
skills
of
all
ambulance
attendants
to
advanced
care
paramedics
which
brought
hospital
level
care
to
the
site
of
the
emergencies.
C
Once
again,
this
is
now
the
norm
for
ambulances
and
thousands
more
lives
are
saved
each
year
because
we
because
care
can
be
administered
on-site
rather
than
just
in
the
hospital.
The
911
system
and
the
enhancements
to
the
service
provided
by
our
ambulances
are
two
of
the
most
critically
important
changes
for
the
health
care
system
that
our
community
has
seen
for
some
time.
The
service,
the.
D
C
System,
many
of
you
may
know
mark
is
the
president
and
CEO
of
the
Museum
of
civilization
and
possible,
as
well
for
the
War
Museum,
but
I.
Think
all
of
Ottawa
can
agree
with
me
that
we
are
in
debt
to
your
at,
for
your
advocacy
for
these
two
important
programs
that
you
helped
found.
I'm
thrilled
that
you're
able
to
join
us
here
to
be
recognized.
I
know
that
Mark
Maloney,
who
sat
around
these
council
table
eyes
watching
online
because
he
was
your
nominator
and
we
thank
him
and
Justin
and
Jerry
for
the
work
that
they
did.
C
But
this
is
really
quite
remarkable.
There's
a
very
good
story
and
today's
Ottawa
Citizen
that
talked
about
how
the
uncoordinated
approach
all
of
us
remember
many
of
us
remember
having
sticker.
You
know
fire
police,
ambulance,
poison,
control
center
on
the
phone
and
just
wasn't
the
cell
technology,
and
there
just
wasn't
the
capacity
to
go
and
remember
one
number:
you
had
to
remember
a
score
of
numbers
depending
on
the
emergency,
so
on
behalf
of
my
colleagues
on
City
Council
mark,
thank
you
for
your
foresight
and
leadership
back
twenty
five
years
ago
and
our
continued
success.
D
Thank
you
very
much.
Your
worship
and
members
of
City
Council
I'm
greatly
humbled
by
by
this
award
and
share
it
with
so
many
people
I
just
like
today,
to
just
to
also
underline
the
support
of
the
councillor
Peter
Clarke,
who
wound
up
being
very
helpful
in
this
campaign
and
I
also
just
want
to
say
hello
to
my
my
former
st.
D
Pius,
the
tenth
high
school
classmate
councillor
le
it's
a
real
honor
to
be
here
and
lastly,
I
would
just
like
to
dedicate
this
award
to
my
late
brother,
William
O'neal,
who,
at
one
time
worked
for
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
in
in
his
and
the
rest
of
his
career,
dedicated
his
work
to
cancer
research
and
treatment.
So
I'd
like
to
dedicate
that
him
today
and
thank
you
all
very,
very
much
for
this
award
this
morning.
Thank
you.
C
H
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
Your
worship
thank
you
for
holding
my
canes
for
minutes.
I'm
happy
to
be
here
today
to
recognize
a
number
of
outstanding
employees
who,
through
their
work
each
day,
have
made
our
city
a
better
place
to
work,
live
and
play
their
hard.
Work
should
not
go
unnoticed,
and
we
want
to
recognize
them
here
today,
because
their
commitment,
dedication
and
determination.
H
H
We're
very
very
good
companies,
and
it
was
a
very,
very
difficult
in
the
first
category,
making
people
a
priority.
The
recipient
is
Nadine
who
showed
when
Nadine.
Where
are
you
there?
You
are
please
come
on
down.
Nadine
was
nominated
for
her
outstanding
contributions
to
the
development
of
the
city's
older
adult
plan.
Nadine
receives
this
year's
award
for
a
commitment
to
the
building
of
collaborative
relationships
to
ensure
that
all
participants
in
the
older
adult
plan
initiative
listen
to
and
saw
their
feedback
reflected
in
the
final
City
OAP
action
plan.
H
H
H
In
the
second
category,
turning
ideas
into
results,
it's
my
pleasure
to
announce
the
city
managers
award
this
year
goes
to
city
archivist,
Paul,
Henry,
Paul,
please
come
on
down.
Paul
is
known
to
many
members
of
council
was
nominated
for
his
outstanding
achievements
and
contributions
to
the
City
of
Ottawa
archives
program
and
for
the
important
role
that
he
continues
to
play
in
educating
and
increasing
the
community's
knowledge
and
understanding
of
local
historical
events.
H
H
And
now,
for
a
final
category
demonstrating
leadership,
the
recipient
of
this
year's
award
is
Katherine.
Frederick
Director
of
Human
Resources
Kathleen,
please
come
down.
Katherine
played
a
prominent
role
in
leading
the
human
resources
department
through
a
significant
period
of
transformation
during
a
significant
change
time
of
significant
change.
Katherine's
leadership
style
fosters
creativity
and
encouraged
others
to
share
and
develop
ideas,
adopt
new
ways
of
thinking
and
embrace
embrace
new
processes
and
technologies.
Her
leadership
led
to
the
introduction
of
important
service
delivery
improvements
within
human
resources.
Congratulations.
H
C
C
I
C
Quorum,
the
minutes
adopts
on
the
process:
Bell
boo,
Levent
dearme
corporation,
the
minutes
22nd
of
May
carried
declaration
of
interest,
including
those
original
rising
from
prior
meetings,
don't
get
a
soda
coffee,
dentata,
Steve,
Nunn
communications
as
printed
regrets.
No
regrets
filed
to
date
motion
to
introduce
reports
counselors
else
on
Tyrion
homes.
Please
thank.
C
L
E
L
C
C
Pilot
project
for
Osgood
Ward:
it's
an
amendment
you'd
like
that
held
okay,
so
we'll
come
back
and
there's
an
amendment
from
councillor
Thompson
on
that
as
well.
Item
number:
three:
zoning:
five:
six:
four:
zero
Bank
Street;
seven,
one
zero
one
Marco
street
and
seven
zero.
Four
one
Mitch
Owens
Road
carried
Environment
Committee
number
report;
number
22,
environmental
stewardship,
Advisory,
Committee,
2013-14
work
plan,
carried
item,
number
five,
solid
waste
services
in
city
facilities,
2011
and
2012
update,
received
and
carried
by
the
number
six
councillor.
E
Seconded
by
Councillor
Hubli,
whereas
on
10th
of
June
2013
staff
issued
a
revised
document.
One
with
respect
to
the
2012
city
of
ottawa.
Consolidated
financial
statements
therefore
be
resolved.
Council
approved
the
2012
city
of
ottawa,
consolidated
financial
statements,
as
amended
by
the
replacement
of
document
1
for
the
version
circulated
on
june
10.
C
Okay,
so
on
the
amendment
from
staff
moved
by
Councillor
Elysee
to
my
council,
hubely.
Okay
on
the
report,
as
amended
carried
item
number
8
Landstown
partnership
plan
delegation
of
authority
for
administrative,
most
ready,
finalizing
scooter
lands
on
partnership
plan
legal
agreements.
Counselor
Timoshenko
would
like
to
hold
that
I
have
number
nine
capital
adjustments
in
closing
a
project
city
tax
and
there's
a
technical
amendment
by
a.
C
Chenko
item
number
11,
Ottawa,
Stadium,
300,
Coventry,
Road
status
report
and
negotiations
were
preferred
off
for
there
to
amend,
emotion,
so
we'll
hold
that
item
number
12
agreement
with
the
University
of
Ottawa
sports
field
at
200
leaves
Avenue.
Okay
item
number
13
planning
committee
report,
number
50s,
forty-three
blackburn
avenue
zone
as
kenneth
tois
avenue,
blackboard.
C
C
A
Thank
very
much
mr.
Matt
yeah,
this
very
short
motion.
It's
that
motion
number
fifty
5/1
be
reconsidered.
I'm
pleased
to
bring
this
motion
forward
because
I
think
the
last
time
we
voted
on
this
matter.
It
was
impacted
and
by
how
can
I
put
this
insufficient
information
or
some
confusion
about
what
happened
in
previous
meetings
in
relationship
to
the
minutes.
A
So
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
making
themselves
available
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks
to
answer
any
questions
the
councilors
had
in
relationship
to
those
minutes
and
what
happened
and
why
they
need
to
be
amended
and
I,
and
that's
why
I'm
supporting
and
bringing
this
motion
for
reconsideration,
because
I
think
everybody
around
the
table
now
has
had
their
questions
answered
and
can
make
a
reasoned
vote
on
this
particular
issue
going
forward.
So
thank
you
again
to
all
the
staff
that
that
put
to
put
the
hard
work
in
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
A
C
C
Okay,
so
now
we
have
the
motion
just
to
clarify
for
members
of
council.
This
is
the
motion
that
will
correct
the
minutes.
I
want
to
thank
all
members
of
council
for
working
on
this
over
the
last
two
weeks
and
particularly
no
counts
or
hewing.
That
with
them
is
taggart
to
give
that
clarification
and
I
believe
we
have
a
motion
by
council,
Wilkinson
Otis
councillor
Wilkinson
have
a
sailor
by
council,
a
glide
to
add
the
reports.
F
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
the
motion
is
steps,
so
I
know
one
last
time
I,
we
were
all
concerned
about
how
the
impact
of
what
was
it
passed
by
counsel
at
that
night
and
how
it
worked
with
that
section
that
was
emitted
from
the
motion
was
added
to
the
it
was
to
be
added
to
the
item
and
the
staff
have
come
up
with
I.
Think
a
good
way
of
dealing
with
this
I
had
spoke
with
him
about
and
said.
F
There
has
to
be
some
way
to
make
it
clear
of
what
the
council's
intent
was
and
that's
what
this
motion
should
be
doing.
I
don't
know
if
I
should
read
all
the
warehouses
are
just
the
resolve
laws
that
there
is
all
cause.
This
very
short
that
is-
and
this
you
require
is
to
be
like
clarity
to
the
decisions.
F
So
the
motion
is
that
the
memorandum
to
council
regarding
the
Preston,
Carling
strategic
directions,
Greenway
Nia's
concept
from
the
general
manager
planning
and
growth
management
and
the
memo
from
the
city
clerk
has
elicited
both
date
of
June,
7th,
2013,
Fiat
Panda
to
the
City
Council
minutes
of
April,
the
24th
2013.
Mr.
mayor,
the
intention
of
this
is
to
make
sure
that
the
work
that
was
done
at
that
meeting
is
clearly
understood
by
having
the
information
directly
with
the
minutes
at
all
times
and
I.
Do
they?
F
Memo
from
the
planning
planning
staff
has
indicated
that
the
concern
that
was
expressed
by
the
motion
that
was
passed
at
that
meeting
is
in
fact
not
a
really
a
problem,
because
the
application
was
in
prior
to
that
time
and
the
applicant
has
agreed
that
this
would
be
a
solution
to
the
minute.
So
I
think
it
should
solve
all
the
problems
that
were
raised
at
that
time.
M
Please
Thank
You
mr.
man,
mr.
man,
I
do
on
the
same
staff
for
for
going
back
to
the
I
was
gonna,
say
the
drawing
board,
but
it's
not
really
the
drawing
board
in
terms
of
trying
to
provide
the
clarity,
I
think
that
might
have
been
missing
at
one
point
and
ensuring
that
that
councils
will
is
properly
reflected
here
and
and
at
the
risk
of
some
levity.
I'm
not
amused
that
we're
still
kicking
us
around
eight
or
nine
or
ten
weeks
after
at
first
was
presented
at
Planning
Committee.
M
But
you
want
to
there's
one
point
in
here
in
I
tonight
and
I
think
the
clerk's
office
has
hit
it
on
the
head.
Some
of
the
confusion
that
was
kicking
around
is
that
somehow
the
motion
I
brought
forward
was
pushing
an
18-story
development
or
allowing
for
an
18-story
development,
and
we
heard
that
up
on
the
floor
here,
a
number
of
times
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
people
pick
up
on
that
in
the
in
the
information
that
we've
been
provided.
M
That
is
not
the
case,
in
fact,
if
anything,
it
probably
preempts
an
18-story
development
from
happening
there,
which
is
on
the
books
which
staff
have
already
indicated.
It
basically
is
a
complete
application
ready
to
go
whatever
would
happen
to
it.
I
won't
even
predict
this
does
the
opposite,
and
it
reflects
some
of
the
will
that's
out
there.
Not
all
of
the
will
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
point
does
that
misconception
does
not
get
spread
any
further.
Thank
you.
C
The
quo
concern
egg
lie
motion
which,
in
essence,
is
attaching
the
two
memos
to
the
report
on
that
carried
and
on
the
ridge.
Our
demotion
55:1,
as
amended
by
wilkinson
egg
lie
Garrett.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
The
next
item
that's
been
held
is
the
all
terrain
vehicle
trail
network
pilot
project
kal,
sir
Thompson
has
an
amendment
to
the
motion.
Councillor
Thompson.
L
Thank
you
very
much.
Your
worship
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
this.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
a
multi-use
pathway.
This
is
entirely
separate
item.
This
is
a
an
all-terrain
vehicle,
a
TV
network
pilot
project,
Roz
could
Ward
and
the
city
staff
the
road
says:
staff,
the
Rural,
Affairs
Office
and
the
City
Clerk's
office
have
been
we've
been
working
on
this.
L
That
section
6
of
the
proposed
by
be
amended
to
reflect
the
start
time
of
8
a.m.
rather
than
30
minutes
before
sunrise
and
folder
via
FURTHER
RESOLVED.
That
schedule,
be
it
a
bylaw,
be
amended
to
add
the
road
allowance
between
concession
to
lot
15
and
16
from
the
road
allowance
between
concession,
1,
&,
2,
Lots,
1516
easterly
for
940
metres
in
the
form
of
geographic
Township
of
Osgoode
and
further
be
it
FURTHER.
Resolved.
L
That
staff
be
directed
to
provide
an
update
to
the
agricultural
affairs
committee
no
later
than
November
2014,
highlighting
any
issues
and
concerns
that
have
been
raised
about
ATVs
operating
from
blanche,
field,
road
and
mr.
mayor.
Just
for
clarification
right
now,
all-terrain
vehicles
are
not
allowed
to
drive
on
the
road.
L
This
bylaw
would
allow
on
certain
Road
municipal
roads
for
the
ATVs
to
use
the
shoulders
of
the
road
to
get
from
one
trail
network
to
another.
This
is
part
of
a
the
township
of
North
Dundas
to
the
south
of
us
and
a
township
of
North
Granville
to
the
rest
of
us.
They
have
similar
bylaws
they've,
been
in
place
for
about
five
years
now,
and
they
have
reported
almost
no
problems
with
this
type
of
arrangement.
So
mr.
C
Ok,
thank
you
very
much
councillor
Thompson.
Are
there
other
comments
on
this
amendment
or
the
main
Oshin
salon
counselor
thompson,
sailor
kelsey
all
centuries,
amendment
carried
on
the
main
motion,
as
amended
carried.
Thank
you
very
much.
The
next
item
that
has
been
held
is
the
item
number
eight
land
stone
partnership
plan
delegation
of
authority
for
administrating,
administering
rather
finalize
and
executed
plans
for
lands
down.
Counselor
mishchenko
asked
that
this
be
held.
The
floor
is
yours.
Yes,.
N
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
some
questions
about
both
the
necessity
for
what
is
being
proposed
and
also
some
clarification
about.
What's
actually
involved
here,
as
I
think
we
all
know,
one
of
the
main
thrusts
of
concern
from
those
citizens
across
the
Ottawa
area,
who
opposed
this
particular
plan,
was
about
governance
and
oversight
was
a
belief
that
City
Council
was,
in
effect
through
this
partnership
plan,
giving
away
some
of
its
oversight
role
and
allowing
a
private
partner
to
have
excessive
control
over
this
site.
N
So
what
we're
hearing
from
from
some
people
and
I
must
admit,
I
have
some
concerns
as
well.
Is
that
this
bowels
into
that
narrative,
if
you
will
or
that
concern
that
we
are
as
council
delegating
even
more
authority
and
giving
away
some
of
our
oversight,
some
of
our
opportunities
to
scrutinize,
say
yes
or
no
impose
questions?
N
H
H
All
of
that
to
say
that
a
lot
of
these
things
are
a
lot
of
these
issues
are
I,
wouldn't
put
them
necessarily
in
the
order
of
housekeeping
they're
significant,
but
there's
a
lot
of
context
to
them.
The
agreement
speaks
to
what
the
issues
are
anticipated
to
be.
What
is
important
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
our
approval
or
consent
will
be
given.
H
There
are
a
lot
of
these
things
at
one
time
when
you
council
may
recall
some
members
mem
console
Mary
Karl,
there
was
council
had
directed
that
staff,
give
consideration
and
do
research
to
the
establishment
of
a
municipal,
Services
Corporation,
which
council
would
delegate
authority
and
responsibility
to
to
administer
the
agreement.
These
agreements,
in
the
end
council,
determined
that
and
based
on
staff
recommendation
that
admissible
Services
Corporation
was
not
the
way
to
go
that
a
committee
of
council
would
receive
an
annual
report
on
the
administration,
the
of
the
the
agreements
with
Oh
sake.
H
H
If
and
when
osei
GOST.
For
them,
it's
important
I
think
to
identify
that
the
the
recommendation
is
that
the
authority
not
be
delegated
to
myself
or
one
member
of
staff,
but
that,
in
reflection
of
the
fact
that
the
framework
is
the
legal
and
financial
constraints
that
council
approved
in
the
agreements
that
it's
myself
as
well
as
the
city,
clear,
concise
er
as
well
as
the
city
treasurer
that's
required.
The
three
of
us
are
consideration
prior
to
the
approval
or
consent
being
granted
and
that
we
report
back
on
an
annual
basis.
H
Nothing
nothing
new
other
than
the
recommendation
that
to
deal
with
those
items
that
are
identified
in
the
annex
to
the
report
that
the
authority,
rather
than
those
every
time
being
required
to
come
forward
to
comedian
Council
for
approval.
That
authority
be
delegated
to
staff.
To
do
such
to
do
that
and
to
report
back
to
Council.
When
that
authorities
have
been
used.
So.
N
H
Absolutely
mr.
mayor,
through
councillor,
Turner
Shenko
the
if
there
was
ever
a
request
from
oh
seg
that
was
outside
of
what
council
had
approved
in
the
agreements.
Those
would
come
back
to
council.
Of
course,
if
there
was
a
request
that
was
identified,
an
issue
that
was
identified
in
agreements,
however,
the
request
did
not
fall
within
the
financial
framework
that
was
approved.
H
Those
would
come
back
to
council
and,
quite
frankly,
if
there
was
ever
a
request
where
we
thought
that
there
was
some
greatness
around
that
the
three
of
us
sitting
here,
those
would
come
back
to
Council
as
well
so,
and
perhaps
the
city's
sister
would
like
to
speak
to
that.
But
we
will
be
conservative,
of
course,
in
the
use
of
this
delegated
authority,
should
council
provide
it.
Thank.
N
Imagine
we've
all
concerns.
Really.
We've
all
received
some
correspondence,
psychic
I
suspect
I'm,
not
the
only
one
that
has
some
particular
points
have
been
raised.
There's
a
concern
that's
been
raised
at
the
urban
park
budget
has
been
reduced
from
35
million
to
25
million
I.
Think
I
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
I
just
wanted
clarification.
Whether
that
is
in
fact
the
case
are
the
RFP
has
gone
out
to
tender,
I
believe
425
million
dollars,
but
the
overall
budget
allocation
to
the
urban
park
was
35.
H
Has
changed
in
the
the
the
work
program
that
was
approved
by
the
ldrp
and
then
by
counsel
for
the
in
terms
of
the
construction
of
the
urban
park?
I
think
the
significant
issue
that
speaks
the
difference
between
thirty
five
and
twenty
four
twenty
five
million
dollars
is
that
the
thirty
five
million
dollars
the
overall
urban
park
program
also
included
the
relocation,
the
the
renovation
and
refurbishment
reprogramming
adaptive,
reuse
of
the
horticultural
building,
which
was
a
approximately
a
ten
million
dollar
budget.
So
that's
the
difference
between
the
25
and
the
35
million
dollars.
I
thought.
N
H
That's
my
understanding.
The
I
mean
there
is
always,
as
you'll
recall,
some
of
the
discussions
being
an
ldrp
value
engineering
that
goes
on
as
the
as
designs
are
brought
through
to
final
construction
plans,
but
in
terms
of
the
elements
and
the
the
standards
that
the
ldrp
approved.
Those
are
all
part
of
the
documents
that
have
been
put
out
to
the
the
pre
qualified
bidders.
So
we.
N
Can
expect
that
the
bidders
will
look
for
ways
to
deliver
everything
we've
asked
for,
but
in
the
most
cost
effective
way
possible
and
we
would
be
scrutinizing
staffs.
Our
frontline
oversight
would
be
scrutinizing
to
make
sure
that
nothing
was
being
watered
down.
No
corners
cut,
that's
correct,
okay,
great
I'm,
counting
on
that
and
finally,
there
is
this
issue
of
mentos
sole
sourcing
construction
of
one
or
several
of
the
buildings
for
time
savings.
If
you
will
time
efficiencies,
contracts
will
be
going
to
mentos.
H
So
the
the
construction
of
the
mixed-use
buildings
was,
as
council,
remember
the
responsibilities
of
o
sake.
They
are
doing
that
they're
managing
that
construction
program,
the
the
use
of
the
term
sole
sourcing
o
sake
has
the
flexibility
to
contract
with
with
never
they
wish
to
build
those
mixed-use
buildings.
H
The
issue
why
it's
identified
as
an
example
in
the
report
of
where
the
agreements
require
a
sec
to
get
the
city's
consent
in
that
regard
is
that
there
are
in
several
places
in
agreements,
requirements
that
should
osage
wish
to
transact
with
a
non
arm's
length
party,
and
in
this
case
Minto
is
a
non
arm's
length
party,
because
there
is
a
Minto
forms,
part
of
the
ownership
of
o
sake.
They
require
the
city's
approval
in
that
case,
and
those
are
blanket
statements
that
are
in
there
and
it's
identified
that
they
require
the
city's
approval.
H
To
do
so.
Such
approval,
in
terms
of
you
remember
me
talking
about
the
criteria
in
terms
of
reasonable
or
non
reasonable
in
terms
of
the
city,
did
not
provide
the
approval.
The
requirement
in
this
case
is
that
if
it's
an
arm's
length
transaction
that
the
transaction
is
identified,
that
it
does
not
involve
any
additional
profit
for
a
non
arm's
length
party
ie
that
the
transaction
will
be
at
or
below,
market
value
and
I
can
tell
you
that
our
staff,
a
repto
staff,
have
looked
at
the
fee.
H
N
Thank
you
well
I.
Thank
you
for
answering
these
questions
that,
for
the
most
part,
has
delayed
all
of
my
concerns.
I
certainly
urge
you
and
I
supposed
to
triumvirate
in
front
of
us
wherever
there
is
the
slightest
doubt
or
gray
area,
as
you
put
it
that
the
opportunity
to
come
back
to
Council,
to
debate,
to
do
our
job
as
overseers
that
we
have
that
opportunity.
Thank
you.
O
H
The
city's
procurement
policy
would
typically
call
for
a
competitive
tender
process
to
construct
the
building,
but,
as
I
was
indicating
in
response
to
County
Council
turn
councillor
ankles
question
the
while
the
agreement
with
our
seg
required
that
to
happen
in
terms
of
the
buildings
that
we
were,
the
funding,
the
stadium
and
the
urban
park.
Buildings,
which
were
all
competitively
tendered
osage,
is
not
required
to
competitively
tender.
H
The
the
contracts
to
construct
the
mixed-use
buildings
I
can
tell
you
that
I
know
they
went
through
a
competitive
process,
but
it
was
not
exactly
the
same
as
the
city
would
run
where
it
was
posted
on
marks.
You
know
anyone
who
met
the
qualifications
to
be
able
to
compete.
They
they
went
through
an
invitation
process,
but
I
can
tell
you
it
was
competitively
ten.
There
was
competition
in
the
process
that
they
used
to
hire
the
contractors
to
build
the
mixed-use
buildings.
O
H
H
O
H
H
What
oh
seg
has
decided
is
that
it
makes
better
sense
for
the
contractors
who
will
be
building
the
over
builds
on
the
buildings,
both
the
residential
and
the
office
tower
to
manage
the
the
construction
of
the
in
buildings
that
are
underneath
them.
It
will
result
the
you
know:
better
integrated
planning,
scheduling,
project
management.
H
City
approval
to
do
that
other
than
the
fact
that
Minto
is
an
arm's
length
party
to
o
sake
and
so
they're
caught
by
the
general
provision
that,
if
they're
ever
they're
not
allowed
to
have
non
arm's
length
transactions
to
the
extent
that
they
wish
to
for
good
reason
as
I.
We
believe
it
is
the
case
in
this
instance.
They
require
the
city's
approval.
To
do
so.
H
Example
would
be
the
in
maybe
not
construction
related,
but
in
the
future,
to
the
extent
that
oh
say
wishes
to
the
agreement
speak
to
what
is
a
repair
or
a
refurbishment
of
the
stadium
is
an
example,
and
it
sets
dollar
values
that
o
seg
is
allowed
to
to
invest,
reinvest
in
the
stadium
to
refurbish
it
once
it
gets
to
a
certain
dollar
value.
That
requires
city
approval
acting
reasonably,
and
that
would
be
another
example
of
an
approval
that
we're
recommending
the
consideration
of
be
granted
to
staff.
So.
O
H
H
H
Off
the
top
of
my
head,
I
can't
think
of
examples
where
that
would
be
the
case.
But
of
course,
if
we
thought
that
what
they
were
asking
was
in
some
way
going
to
have
an
effect
on
their
surrounding
community,
we
would
consult
with
the
work
counselor
as
we
as
staff
know.
They
need
to
do
whenever
there's
a
an
issue
that
staff
are
considering.
O
O
H
No
concern
with
a
more
frequent
reporting
on
the
use
of
this
delegated
authority
we
identified
annually
because
we
know
that
on
an
annual
basis,
there
will
be
a
very
comprehensive
report
on
what
has
taken
place
that
Lansdowne
again
I'm
thinking
more
post
construction
during
operations,
where
here's
a
here's,
a
reporting
on
the
tivity
that
took
place
on
the
site
on
the
financial
performance
of
those
things.
Okay,.
E
O
F
You
do
you
to
Camp
Kilpatrick
mr.
Kilpatrick
I
was
looking
at
some
of
it.
I
think
it.
The
aula
delegate
authority
had
things
in
this
chart
because
some
of
them
are
things
I,
think
that
would
be
of
interest
to
people
more,
like
the
approval
of
retail
releases
of
thing
and
I,
fully
understand
and
support.
The
fact
that
you
have
to
make
decisions
very
quickly
and
Grady
approval
through
a
committee
of
sign
is
a
very
slow
process.
F
It'd
be
more
contentious
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if
I
think
you'd
understand
which
bills
are
because
we've
debated
them
for
many
times
over
the
last
few
years,
that
it
is
something
that
has
been
contentious.
But
there
should
be
some
information
put
out,
even
if
it's
just
a
little
quick
memo
saying
that
all
the
leases
that
have
been
approved-
and
these
are
thought
they
are
because
these
are
the
ones
that
the
public
is
going
to
question
they're
already
questioning
a
little
bit
about
giving
you
too
much
delegated
authority.
F
F
F
So
these
are
the
kind
of
things
that
have
a
long-term
impact
on
the
city
or
could
have,
and
those
are
the
ones
that
I
think
you
have
to
have
really
strong
diligence
and
not
just
from
yourself
but
from
people
have
technical
knowledge
on
these,
so
I
take
it
that
in
things
like
that,
you
would
first
say
for
retail
mortgages.
You
would
get
somebody
who
understands
retail
mortgages
I,
don't
think
we
have
anybody
on
staff
that
really
does
to
make
sure
that
they
are
not
going
to
be
debt.
H
We
also
added
you
need
to
provide
that
information
to
the
city
and
and
the
city
needs
to
approve
it
prior
to
anything
into
entering
into
those,
but
it
it's.
It's
there's
a
lot
of
detail
in
there
because
it
was.
It
is
an
important
issue
and
it
was
important
to
establish
at
the
time
the
agreements
were
entered
into,
what
the
what
latitude,
o
sake,
would
have
in
terms
of
the
retail
mortgages
percentages
of
market
value
term.
All
of
that
kind
of
thing
more.
H
I
would
say
very
little
worry.
We
had
some
of
the
best
legal
expertise
available
from
blg
on
I
mean
Marty
gross,
which
council
knows
probably
learn
more
preeminent
private
public
sector
partnership
lawyers
in
the
country
very,
very
familiar
with
retail,
all
kinds
of
commercial
leases
and
structures
like
that,
and
he
was
instrumental
in
developing
what
we
negotiated
with
those
like
in
those
agreements.
So
it
is
very,
very
tightly
wrapped.
Okay.
F
So
what
we're
really
saying
is
I
as
long
as
they're
making
just
the
I'll
call
them
a
routine
type
of
approvals,
because
it's
just
moving
forward
under
the
agreements.
I
have
no
problem
with
any
of
that.
If
there's
something
extraordinary,
because
things
can
happen
that
you
don't
think
ahead
about
some
possible
think
of
everything,
there's
something
that's
complicated.
I
would
expect
that
you
would
send
a
memo
or
something
out.
F
That's
been
the
what
was
happening
in
the
past
and
I
would
expect
that
to
happen,
and
and
I
would
like
to
have
a
little
bit
more
frequent
reports,
not
necessarily
the
end
of
year.
One
might
be
much
more
detailed,
but
at
least
this
a
brief
outs
kind
of
what
types
of
things
have
been
approved
on
a
more
frequent
basis.
Yes,.
H
F
A
Councillor
Dean's
motion
about
more
reporting
and
a
position
that
might
comfortable
that
you're
going
to
be
exercising
your
due
diligence
and
going
forward,
but
on
that
point,
I
just
want
the
actual
process
it's
going
to
be
going
through
because
it
sounds
like
what
we're
doing
here
is
giving
you
so
authority
to
go
ahead
and
make
decisions.
Yet,
when
I
read
the
committee
recommendation,
you're
not
going
to
do
any
of
that
as
I
read
it
without
first
consulting
and
concurring
with
with
the
gentleman
on
the
lady
sitting.
A
H
Mr.
mayor
I
go
yes,
first
of
all,
the
answer
is
yes,
I
can
see.
Maybe
no
I
can
see
where
there's
there's
room
to,
maybe
is
it.
The
city
manager
has
a
delegated
authority,
or
is
that
the
the
three
of
us
and,
if
you'd
like
to
I,
can
tell
you
that
it
will
take
three
signatures
to
approve
it,
but
that's
not
what
the
recommendation
specifically
speaks
to
and
I'd
be
happy
with
an
adjustment
to
make
it
clear
that
all
three
of
us
would
need
to
agree
to
provide
the
approval
or
consent.
I
understood.
A
K
C
Counselor
Dean's
and
egg
lied
that
the
words
quarterly
and
be
inserted
just
before
the
term
annual
report
in
recommendation
2
and
we've
heard
from
the
city
manager
you're
comfortable
with
this.
So
on
the
amendment
carried
on
the
report
as
amended:
okay,
descent
by
councillor
Dean's
all
right
item
number
nine.
C
C
Capital
adjustments
in
closing
approach,
so
council
shall
chenko
and
counselor
Sanko
to
the
cent
item,
number
nine
capital
adjustments
and
closing
of
project
city
tax
and
rate
support
it.
We
do
have
celts
from
the
net
I
believe
has
a
man,
men
and
just
to
recall.
We
have
already
approved
the
McRae
pops
amendment
with
respect
to.
J
Fund
in
2001
for
funding
to
come
community
related
projects
in
Cumberland
and
staff
worked
with
the
counselor's
office
and
community
members
to
maximize
the
opportunities
for
reinvestment
in
their
perspective
communities
and
whereas
one
Chancellor's
of
all
funds
who
are
committed
and
therefore
not
given
the
opportunity
opportunity
to
add
additional
funds,
not
McRae's
attorney
6,000
to
14.
We
use
for
additional
projects
mean
completely
by
December
to
turn
e
1st
2013.
What
this
means
I
mr.
J
C
N
Thank
you
very
much.
I
should
be
specific
question
that
I
really
want
to
bring
out
a
point
more
than
anything
here.
I
think
there
is
a
public
perception.
We
are
fall
into
that
when
we
pull
out
a
piece
of
plastic,
whether
it's
to
pay
the
corner
store
or
to
pay
the
City
of
Ottawa
that
somehow
there's
no
cost
to
that
transaction.
N
Virtually
no
cost
or
no
class
tasks,
no
cost
to
the
recipient
of
the
money,
and
yet
I
know
that
there
is
a
cost
and
sometimes
a
significant
one.
Can
you
describe
to
me
the
layers,
if
you
will
of
cost,
if
I
or
any
other
citizen
were
to
decide
to
pay
for
any
service,
including
our
taxes,
that
the
city
delivers
with
a
credit
card
and
particularly
I'm
interested
in
the
difference?
My
gold
card,
my
airmiles
reward
card,
so
I
understand
it.
Those
also
have
extra
costs
related
to
that
and
who
bears
those.
N
D
A
good
question
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
the
acceptance
of
payment
cards
is
not
is
not
free
to
the
retailer
and
as
a
retailer,
when
the
city
accepts
credit
cards,
it
does
cost
us
money
the
amount
of
the
money
that
it
costs
us
depends
on
the
particular
card
that
is
presented
by
the
person
who
who
wants
to
pay
for
a
transaction.
D
The
range
of
those
costs
go
from
about
1
and
3/4
percent,
I
believe
2.63
percent.
The
plain-jane
cards
that
have
no
rewards
no
cashback
associated
with
it
would
be
at
the
lower
end
and
the
loyalty
cards
that
have
1%
2%
cash
back
or
airmiles
Aeroplan
vacation
rewards.
They
would
be
at
the
higher
end
when
you
in
the
agreement
that
you
sign
with
you
require
when
you
agree
to
accept
credit
cards,
you
are
not
able
to
discriminate.
D
You
cannot
say:
I
will
not
take
this
card
because
it's
going
to
cost
me
more
because
of
its
rewards,
but
I
will
take
the
the
lower-cost
ones.
If
you
have
two
people
standing
in
front
of
you,
three
people
standing
in
front
of
you
one
paying
cash
one
playing
with
a
plain-jane
credit
card
and
one
playing
with
a
loyalty
card.
At
the
higher
end,
the
city
would
receive
3
different
amounts
of
money
for
that
transaction.
D
N
That's
where
that
money
comes
from
that
allows
that
nice
credit
card
company
to
make
poor
bank
to
make
those
bone,
but
benefits
available
to
you,
absolutely
that's
correct,
so
this
proposal,
then
this
recommendation
we
have
in
front
of
us,
is
really
to
try
and
acknowledge
that
there's
a
convenient,
and
it's
not
that
we
want
to
discourage
citizens
from
using
their
cards
by
any
means.
There
is
a
cost
and
we
have
to
compensate-
or
at
least
we
have
to
show
how
that
cost
is
being
borne
exactly
okay.
F
Have
one
quick
question:
it's
only
the
D,
the
third-party
providers
and
you
say,
gave
an
example.
Is
the
the
court
system
where
they
charge
their
own
fees?
Is
there
any
possibility
that
the
city
would
take
some
of
the
things
we
already
do
now
and
make
them
into
third-party
providers,
because
that
when
we
contract
things
out,
that
does
happen.
That
would
then
end
up
increasing
fees
to
people.
It
was
just
going
to
be
there
the
things
that
we're
doing
now
going
to
stay
as
City
operations,
so
they
don't
have
anything
additional
happening.
D
F
D
F
C
F
G
F
G
The
debate
committee
and
had
to
do
a
specific
wording,
mr.
mayor
in
the
report,
that
staff
would
be
using
reasonable
efforts
to
find
parking
with
regards
to
the
850
parking
spots.
So
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
world
houses.
Mr.
mayor
just
develop
for
be
resolved,
one
that
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
request
for
offers
for
a
best-effort
to
lease.
The
Ottawa
Stadium
facility
in
the
long
term
specify
that
the
city
is
committed
to
ensuring
that
850
parking
spots
will
be
made
available.
G
On-Site
weekday
evenings
and
weekends
to
support
baseball
operations
in
the
event
of
a
future
development
of
a
city
in
Perham
and
number
two
that
the
term
reasonable
efforts
identified
in
the
report
currently
before
council
be
replaced
by
the
phrase
assistance
that
is
not
contractually
obligated
in
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
request
for
offers.
So,
mr.
mayor,
what
this
motion
does
is
provide
specificity
to
council
and
we're
making
this
decision.
G
It
provides
good
language
for
staff
to
rely
on
when
they
are
doing
requests
for
offers
and
in
the
event
that
anyone
who
accepts
the
opportunity
to
work
with
the
city
comes
back
and
wants
to
try
to
understand
what
reason
the
efforts
meant.
We've
actually
now
confirmed
what
the
intention
of
the
the
people
draft
in
the
contract
at
the
time
was,
and
the
intention
is
that
when
I
do
our
very
best,
but
we
are
now
contractually
obligated,
so
we
don't
put
ourselves
in
a
situation
that
are
being
faced
to
arbitration
decision.
Great.
C
J
C
D
M
Puzzled,
how
we
go
from
what
the
road
is
that
we've
been
down
here,
where
we
come
from,
let's
say
a
couple
of
failed
endeavours,
baseball,
endeavors
and
other
the
ashes
Rises
something
bigger
better
and
more
expensive
and
I've
got
a
few
questions
to
staff.
How
we
came
up
with
these
recommendations
and
I'm,
not
sure
whose
right
person
ask,
because
it's
more
of
the
economic
development,
real
estate
development
questions
as
opposed
to
baseball
or
recreation
and
etc.
M
So
Kent
I,
don't
fear
the
right
one
to
start
with,
I
was
looking
at
the
previous
report
and,
as
council
approved
the
approved
the
previous
report
and
we're
we're
ready
to
invest
5.7
million
dollars
plus
operating
costs.
We
had
quite
a
debate
about
well
what
kind
of
a
py
or
how
many
bodies
would
be
required,
etc.
So
so
we
were
committed
that
point
four
five
point:
seven
million
plus
operating
costs
to
come
up
with
a
franchise
that
would
play
here
and
we
went
out
to
the
market.
M
E
H
We
staff
learn
through
the
the
last
effort
was
that
it
is
going
to
require
a
higher
initial
investment
in
the
it's
not
just
enough
to
to
to
invest
in
the
deferred
life
cycle
maintenance
of
the
facility
that
the
facility
is
going
to
need
to
be
refurbished
as
well.
If
it's
affiliated
baseball
that
that
we're
targeting
there
was
a
range
of
what
was
discussed
with
the
people
that
were
engaged
in
that
process,
it
ranged
from
ten
to
thirty
million
dollars.
I
want
to
highlight
that's
an
initial
investment.
H
M
Recollection
was,
though,
the
the
5.7
million
that
we
were
committed
to.
None
of
that
was
going
to
be
recovered
if
I
remember
correctly.
In
fact,
the
I
think
the
rent
agreements
that
we
were
probably
going
to
enter
into
at
least
allow,
and
we
had
barely
covered
the
you
know
the
cost
of
keeping
the
doors
open,
and
there
wasn't
really
an
optimism
that
we
were
gonna.
We're
gonna
recover
any
money
towards
the
capital.
In
fact,
we
weren't
going
to
be
able
to
cover
the
our
own
operating
costs
for
the
stadium.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
H
Correct
there
was
a
contribution.
The
last
report
identified
that,
in
addition
to
that
investment
in
terms
of
the
ongoing
life
cycle
maintenance
facility
that
both
the
city
and
what
was
proposed
and
under
the
least
not
at
that
time,
there'd
be
contributions
from
the
city
and
the
tenant
towards
lifecycle
reserve
fund.
Now.
M
In
the
meantime,
we're
proceeding
with
the
the
overpass,
the
pedestrian
overpass
from
the
train
station
or
the
the
transit
station
over
to
the
other
side
of
the
Queensway,
which
will
serve
not
just
a
stadium
but
the
whole
site,
plus
the
other
facilities
around
there.
How
much
are
we
investing
in
that
one
again.
O
I
M
When
I
look
at
what's
the
potential
for
development
on
this
site,
what
I
see
in
this
report
is
that
we're
actually
tying
our
hands
here
in
the
sense
that
you
look
under
future
developments
and
it
talks
about
any
offer
needs
to
acknowledge
that
the
city
will
be
undertaking
a
strategy
to
exercise
its
development
opportunity
in
the
parking
lot
area
of
the
site,
which
is
fine,
I'm
fully
in
agreement
with
it.
But
we're
basically
saying
we
wouldn't
do
this
for
ten
years
and
I'm
trying
to
understand
here.
M
We
are
building
an
old
pedestrian
overpass
that
links
up
to
our
transit
system,
a
tram
by
the
way,
a
station-
that's
well
served
right
now,
probably
better
serve
than
it
will
be
under
LR
in
the
future.
So,
but
we're
basically
saying
we
won't
even
look
at
this
for
ten
years
and
when
we
do
look
at
it,
any
responder
that
comes
forward
needs
to
identify
any
potential
disruption
anticipated
during
the
construction
phase
and
propose
measures
to
mitigate
those
disruptions.
We're
basically
telling
any
potential
respondent,
and
this
isn't
the
baseball
respondent.
The
way
I
read
it.
M
H
Stopped
felt
that,
if
we're
talking
about
a
longer
term
lease
that
we
should
make
a
structure
need
to
be
clear
that
the
city
would
have
the
option
to
redevelop
that
parking
lot.
The
ten
years
was
focused
on
again
what
we
heard
from
some
of
the
proponents
about
the
amount
of
time
that
they
would
require
to
build
a
stable
baseball
operation.
H
And
we
put
those
in
because
frankly,
we
felt
that,
if
we
were
not,
council
is
not
prepared
to
acknowledge
that
those
would
be
things
that
the
city
would
agree
to.
In
order
for
the
redevelopment
to
move
forward,
that
we
would
likely
not
receive
proposals,
because
ongoing
parking
was
identified
as
a
critical
issue
by
people.
M
Some
of
us
were
holding
our
noses
because
of
the
price
tag
already
because
of
and
we're
basically
going
on
a
whim
and
a
prayer
and
crossing
our
fingers
closing
our
eyes,
hoping
something
would
come
out
of
it
that
would
preserve
the
stadium,
preserve
baseball.
That
obviously
hasn't
happened
when
we
went
out
and
kick
the
tires,
it's
very
obvious.
M
The
market
is
telling
us
there
isn't
an
interest
under
the
conditions
that
we
went
on
and
we
need
to
stick
a
lot
more
money
into
this
and
you
mentioning
10
to
30
million
and
that's
the
initial
investment
at
what
point
did
we
decide
it's
baseball
with
a
little
bit
of
side
development,
as
opposed
to
looking
at
the
full
sight,
the
full
value
of
the
site
and
the
development
potential?
So
can
you
tell
me
what
is
what
is
the
size
of
the
site?
What's
the
value
of
the
total
site
and
have
our
economic
development?
H
We'll
have
to
get
back
to
you
with
that.
I
can
tell
you
that
that
type
of
focus
on
the
site
hasn't
the
last
time
that
we
looked
at
that
in
a
deep
way
was
back.
I
think
it
was
a
previous
term
of
counsel
and
previous
council
consider
whether
or
not
they
wanted
to
look
at
a
different
redevelopment
scenario
for
the
entire
site
or
whether
or
not
there
was
the
opportunity
to
keep
baseball
as
part
of
the
long
term.
Vision
for
that
site.
H
This
council
and
as
a
reporting
case,
indicates
in
the
background
this
council
18
months
ago,
was
very
clear
that
they
wanted
to
to
run
an
exercise
to
identify
if
it
was
possible
to
secure
a
long
use
for
that
facility
related
to
the
purpose
of
the
facility
when
it
was
built
not
as
baseball
operations
but
I.
Think
sorry.
M
To
jump
in
but
I
think
what
happened
was
we
as
I
said,
we
crossed
their
fingers
and
did
all
kinds
of
funny
things
hope
and
some
would
come
out
of
it.
We
went
out
to
the
market.
The
market
is
giving
us
an
answer,
and
yet
we're
back
here
proposing
something
similar
but
more
expensive,
more
even
more
long-term.
M
If
we,
if
we
continue
at
this
report,
we
will
lose
like
opportunities,
we'll
lose
potential
development
that
could
be
happening
there.
That
question
hasn't
been
asked
and
that's
what
that's
where
we
should
have
gone
from
the
2012
report
when
it
didn't
materialize.
The
way
we
expected,
as
opposed
to
say
and
let's
get
in
even
deeper-
and
you
know,
there's
an
expression
out
there
about
a
pig
in
a
poke
and
I
think
by
approving
what's
before
us
today.
M
C
M
E
You
worship,
I,
think
there
are
a
couple
things
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
here.
First
of
all,
contrary
to
the
myth
that
many
people
are
trying
to
propagate
the
discussion
about
cost
for
this
project,
when
it
talks
about
ten
to
thirty
million
dollars,
that's
not
a
net
cost
to
the
taxpayers.
That's
a
gross
cost
of
changes
that
could
be
made.
If
certain
proponent
proponents
were
to
come
forward
with
a
different
configuration
of
an
offer
and
within
that
type
of
business
model,
there
would
be
revenues
to
the
city
that
would
offset
costs.
E
There
would
be
assumption
of
costs
by
the
partner
and
so
you're,
not
looking
at
anywhere
near
the
kind
of
of
frightful
figure
that
some
people
want
to
put
out
there.
Secondly,
I
think
it's.
This
is
a
simple
question
of
what
you
want
to
do
with
the
stadium.
We
have
a
purpose-built
stadium
built
for
professional
baseball
and
it's
not
built
for
Little
League
baseball,
it's
not
built
for
soccer.
It's
built
for
professional
baseball.
We
have
this
facility
that
has
been
paid
for
by
the
public,
a
public
facility
that
sits
there
right
now
neglected
without
basic
maintenance.
E
Having
been
done
on
it
for
the
past
well
more
than
a
decade,
and
so
the
question
is:
what
do
you
do
with
it?
Do
you
tear
it
down
and
put
up
condos
or
whatever
it's
going
to
be,
since
they
seem
to
be
the
solution
to
everything
now
or
do
you
try
to
make
it
work
and
recognizing
that
if
you
don't
you're,
probably
not
going
to
get
one
back
for
many
many
decades,
I
think
the
right
decision
is
the
decision
Council
made
last
time,
which
is
to
try
to
make
it
work?
E
E
Well,
this
report
and
this
recommendation
lets
us
create
a
different
business
model
by
actually
letting
somebody
else
propose
a
different
model,
different
configuration,
different
setup
at
the
stadium
and
different
relationships.
So
it
really
opens
it
up
to
more
opportunities
to
ones
we
hadn't
envisioned
before
to
ones
that
could
be
a
lot
more
successful.
F
H
F
Thirty
million
in
things
of
this
nature-
and
that
is
just
saying,
depending
on
what
happens
this
may
happen-
it
may
have
to
pay
it.
It
may
be
paid
recovered
from
not
promoted
or
not,
because
that
all
that
would
come
back
at
a
later
date,
depending
on
what
comes
out
from
this
seeking
for
proposals.
Was
that
I'm
not
correct
in
that?
Yes,.
H
H
H
F
Well,
so
gonna
have
to
look
at
this
again,
but
the
I
just
don't
want
to
approve
any
additional
money
until
we
really
see
what
it
would
mean
and
how
it
would
be
paid
back
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
That
goes
with
it,
and
that's
that
you're
confirming
so
I
can
tell
the
people
are
complaining
to
me.
That's
the
situation.
That
is
the
situation.
Thank
you.
O
To
make
a
good
decision
about
the
future
of
the
stadium,
we
really
need
to
understand
what
it
has
cost
and
I've
heard
some
of
my
other
council
colleagues
ponder
about
when
we
pull
the
plug
and
at
some
point,
I
actually
think
the
time
is
coming.
I
actually
think
that
we
need
to
consider
options
other
than
trying
to
find
a
tenant
when
a
tenant
doesn't
exist
and
we've
tried
several
times
unsuccessfully,
where
we
keep
losing
money
on
the
stadium,
it
keeps
causing
our
taxpayers
money.
O
It's
valuable
developable
land
with
LRT
coming
to
it
and
I
think
it's
time
that
we
considered
our
options
on
the
site
beyond
just
a
stadium.
Where
doesn't
seem
to
be
anyone
wanting
to
play
so
I
would
say
to
mr.
Kirkpatrick
Moebius
direction
to
one
add
up
how
much
this
has
cost
the
taxpayers
of
Ottawa,
because
I
think
the
number
would
be
very
large
and
start
looking
what
the
options
will
be
for
redevelopment
beyond
just
a
ball
team.
H
Mr.
mayor,
we
can
do
the
research
on
the
first,
that's
information
that
we
can
put
together.
The
second
piece,
though
I
think,
is
consistent
with
councilor
blows
BOCES
position,
which
is
a
different
direction
and
the
the
one
the
report
recommends,
which
is
consistent
with
the
last
direction
were
given
by
counsel
and
I
would
suggest
that
council
should
provide
different
direction
before
we'd
undertake
that
work.
Thank.
O
C
I
think
if
we're
gonna
go
down
this
path,
we'll
go
and
ask:
how
much
does
every
Recreation
Center
in
the
city
lose
because
guess
what
they
lose
money
I
believe
the
Greenville
community
center
loses
money.
I
believe
that
library
and
green
borough
loses
money,
we're
not
a
profit
center
in
these
facilities,
do
cost
taxpayers
money
and
we
can
go
down
one
of
two
paths
we
can
are
there
as
counselors
Shirley
pointed
out,
try
again
and
not
give
on,
or
we
go
down
the
path
that
we
say
we're
gonna
get
out
of
that
business
altogether.
I
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
I
believe
that
the
proposal
is
quite
interesting.
You
know
some
of
my
colleagues
remember
the
stadium
a
few
years
ago
and
you
must
concede
that
there
were
some
very
good
years.
The
stadium
was
totally
filled
to
capacity
for
several
years.
Of
course,
it's
difficult
to
see
the
difficulties
of
the
recent
years,
but
I'm
totally
in
favor
of
having
several
uses
in
this
site.
So
when
we
turn
to
the
public-
and
we
ask
for
offers
to
various
interests,
there
should
be
more
than
one
use.
Baseball
is
great.
I
Majority
of
the
time
baseball
is
only
sixty
days
a
year.
We
have
over
300
days
left,
we
could
have
commercial
use,
we
could
have
other
sport
uses
there
and
when
we
look
at
the
use
of
our
recreational
and
cultural
facilities
in
Ottawa,
the
ones
that
work,
the
best
are
the
one
that
have
more
than
one
use.
It's
rare
that
we
have
just
a
plain
arena
now
or
just
a
plain
pool:
there's
many
other
uses
combined
with
it.
I
So,
of
course,
while
talking
to
the
various
employees,
I
was
reassured
to
know
that
there
might
be
advantages
for
the
group
that
will
be
interested
yes
with
baseball,
but
yes,
with
other
uses
and
I'm,
even
happier
to
note
that
there
will
be
other
sport
uses
that
will
complement
the
baseball
so
I'm
in
agreement
with
what
is
being
proposed
and,
of
course,
like
you
said
it
may
not
be
a
white
elephant,
but
we
need
to
have
long-term
use
for
this
stadium.
It's
a
fantastic
stadium.
I
J
Mr.
Mehra,
as
far
as
studying
how
much
money
has
been
put
into
it,
I'd
like
to
put
another
equation
into
that
study.
If
you're
going
to
do
all
much,
it's
been
fun
into
it.
Can
you
also
calculate
how
much
economic
development
is?
The
city
benefited
from
them
in
a
stadium
when
it
was
in
full
use?
How
much
tourism
has
been
benefit
to
the
city
to
the
city
of
animal
when
it
was
in
for
moose
and
I?
Guess
it's
very
hard
to
equate.
H
J
H
H
J
H
On
experience
in
the
last
series
of
discussions
where
we
negotiated
a
lease
with
a
broker,
there
wasn't
an
owner
at
the
table
at
the
time
we
got
into
further
extended
negotiations
about
the
lease
when
ownership
potential
ownership
groups
came
to
the
table
and
we
don't
have
the
time
for
that
and
frankly,
it's
not,
we
believe,
not
the
most
effective
process.
So
we
want
to
know
that
a
proposal
is
coming
from
an
ownership
group,
as
as
indicated
has
that
I'd
owns
or
will
own
a
franchise
that
will
be
relocated.
J
A
Mr.
Marr,
my
my
seating
arrangement
this
morning
is,
is
very
opportune,
because
I
find
myself
thinking,
there's
merit
and
what's
counselor
DeAnza
said.
There's
also,
there's
also
merit
in
what
counselors
really
said
this
morning.
I
I
think
that
we're
getting
near
the
end
of
looking
at
this
project
and
trying
to
decide
if
we
can
make
a
go
of
it.
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
that
we
need
to
give
it
one
more
so
to
speak.
College.
Try
we're
going
to
do
this.
A
Let's
do
it
right
and
that's
why
I
counselor
Manette's
Amendment
concerns
me
because
I'm
thinking
that,
if,
if
brokers
are
out
there
within
the
various
leagues,
that's
one
of
the
ways
of
doing
business
by
the
city's
saying
we're
not
going
to
deal
with
a
broker,
we
are
cutting
ourselves
off,
potentially
from
potential
deals.
Potential
options
out
there.
H
Last
time
was,
it
was
a
an
agent
that
responded
to
the
rfo,
and
it
was
then,
after
the
the
deal
that
the
the
agent
had
proposed
the
council
had
agreed
to.
Then
we
were
sent
away
to
negotiate
a
lease
that
a
subsequent
that
an
owner
when
one
was
brought
to
the
table
would
be
accepting
if
I
wish
to
have
consultants
wish
to
have
an
agent
wish
to
have
a
broker
that
was
working
with
them
or
negotiating
an
assisting
them
in
negotiating
with
the
city.
That's
fine,
but
what
wasn't
there?
The
last
time?
H
H
A
N
N
You've
got
to
say
something
here:
I've
worked
for
more
than
twenty
years
previously
in
the
sports
and
sports
management
field
involved,
with
all
sorts
of
organizations,
building
sports
facilities,
managing
them,
bidding
them
bidding
on
major
games
and
there's
one
thing:
that's
absolutely
true:
councillor
flurry
who's
done.
His
studies
in
this
field
is
welcome.
Connect,
oh
this
I'm
sure,
which
is
a
whole
lot
of
public
money
has
been
spent
on
getting
franchises
on
building
facilities
and
on
trying
to
keep
them.
N
Professional
sports
is
heavily
subsidized
by
the
taxpayer.
That's
a
reality
of
it.
Elected
officials
have
to
decide
whether
they
want
to
be
doing
that,
but
to
pretend
that
public
money
isn't
being
spent
on
it
and
that
somehow
it
will
pay
for
itself
and
it
will
earn.
Revenue
runs
counter
to
all
of
the
studies.
Internationally,
it
costs
money
to
the
taxpayer
to
have
professional
sport.
N
We
can
judge
for
ourselves
so
that
we
think
that's
right
or
that's
wrong.
I
think
there's
a
fundamental
difference
between
recreation,
centers
and
a
stadium
like
this.
This
is
pretty
much
a
one
use
professional
sport
type
of
facility.
It
wasn't
designed
to
have
the
bad
or
public
come
in
and
use
it
often
and
have
access
to
it.
N
So
I
am
completely
comfortable
with
the
idea
that
we
pay
for
out
of
tax
dollars
by
recreational
facilities
that
the
general
public
can
use
and
does
use
as
close
to
365
days
a
year
as
possible,
I'm
extremely
uncomfortable
with
a
facility
that
is
very
lightly
used
and
now
as
a
prospect
of
not
being
much
better
than
that.
So
I
find
myself
at
a
point
right
now,
where
I
want
it
to
work.
I
want
baseball
to
come
back
to
Ottawa
and
to
make
it
work
this
time.
N
N
K
K
K
The
farm
system
moved
with
it
and
ever
since
then,
we've
been
scrambling.
The
question
now
is:
can
we
get
an
affiliated
franchise,
whether
it's
double
a
single,
a
whatever
it
is,
is
moot?
Can
we
do
it
if
it's
a
four
yet
and
I
think
we'll
be
fine?
You'll
see
the
future
stars
suggest
about
costs
to
add
up
all
the
costs
over
the
years?
Well,
we
get
out
up
all
the
cost
of
the
old
train,
for
example,
which
I
have
no
use
for,
but
if
you
don't
have
used
for
baseball
stadium,
don't
pan
it.
K
You
know
lost
opportunities.
We
have
a
lot
of
real
estate
developers
on
this
council.
I
can
tell
the
public
believes
that
rough
school,
that's
what
we
are,
but
the
reality
is
to
do
not
very
many
lost
opportunities.
The
suggestion
that,
for
example,
the
pedra
pedestrian
cycling
bridge
across
the
highway
is
somehow
related
to
the
stadium
is
incorrect.
It's
to
service
LRT
from
both
sides
of
the
highway.
You
know
we
get
into
these
things
and
this
whole
process
that
we've
been
involves.
K
K
K
We
talk
about
professional
sports
heavily
subsidise.
Certainly
in
most
cases
that's
true,
but
you
wouldn't
suggest
for
a
minute.
We
close
down
Scotiabank
place.
You
wouldn't
for
a
minute,
suggest
we
close
down
the
Lansdowne
football
field.
I
think
we
need
to
have
like
we
do
with
everything
else,
a
broad
interest
in
what
this
community
should
have
and
a
broad
range
of
services.
K
Amateur
sports
is
heavily
heavily
subsidized
by
the
taxpayer,
and
not
everybody
has
the
ability
to
partake
that
a
lot
of
seniors
tell
me:
why
are
we
paying
for
a
ball
stadium,
our
Sports
Plex,
because
we
don't
use
it?
Why
are
we
paying
school
taxes
because
we
don't
use
it?
This
whole
community
is
based
on
a
a
weave
of
mutual
caring
and
responsibility.
The
fact
that
the
ball
stadium
after
years
of
neglect
is
likely
to
cost
us
a
little
more
to
get
it
back
in
shape
is
is
a
reality.
K
But
if
you
look
at
the
pre
amalgamation,
City
of
Ottawa
didn't
do
any
maintenance
on
its
roads
and
sewers
for
a
long
number
of
years
we're
paying
a
fortune
now
to
build
that
up,
and
it's
it's
it's
a
reality.
The
reality
is
that
if
you
neglect
your
infrastructure,
whether
it's
the
stated
infrastructure,
the
sewer
infrastructure,
the
roadway
infrastructure,
you
pay
a
price
and
usually
a
bigger
one
and
I-
think
that
that
what
we
need
to
do
is
try
to
remember
this
is
one
community.
K
C
M
You
mr.
mayor,
yes,
I,
do
have
a
motion
here.
I
think
that
actually
responds
to
some
of
the
comments
and
concerns
I
heard
from
others,
even
others
who
are
professing
support
for
the
report
before
us
who
have
some
of
the
similar
concerns.
So
the
motion
motion
basically,
is
that
this
report
be
deferred
and
that
staff
assess
or
evaluate
the
do,
an
appraisal
of
the
value
of
the
site.
M
M
There
was
already
some
uneasiness
back
in
February
of
last
year
when
we
dealt
with
the
previous
reincarnation
of
this.
This
project
and
the
market
has
shown
us
that
there
isn't
the
real
will
and
desire
to
have
a
baseball
franchise
in
there.
So
we're
gonna
go
out
and
try
it
again.
We're
gonna
sweeten
the
pot.
We're
gonna
try
to
do
all
kinds
of
things.
In
the
meantime,
there
are
missed
opportunities
out
there,
and
these
opportunities
that
are
being
lost
could
be
bringing
value
to
the
city,
and
we
always
talk
about
economic
development.
M
Every
aspect
that
we
that
we
bring
forward.
Well,
there
is
an
opportunity
for
economic
development.
I
know
my
colleague
wants
staff
to
tell
them.
What's
one
of
the
economic
benefits
of
having
an
empty
stadium,
I
can
tell
them
what
that
is.
I
know
you
can't
quantify.
You
know
the
joy
on
children's
faces.
There
can't
be
much
joy
when
they
can't
get
into
the
stadium
most
of
the
time
and
when
there's
nothing
going
on
there,
it
is
a
prime
location,
we're
investing
in
the
pedestrian
overpass.
M
There's
there's
one
of
the
one
of
the
main
LRT
and
not
LRT
stations,
but
transit
stations
as
they're
being
converted
to
LRT
the
train
stations.
On
the
other
side,
the
connectivity
to
the
train
yards
I
think
those
are
all
positive
developments
too
somehow
hands
with
this
proposal
before
us
and
to
basically
say
we
won't
entertain
anything
for
ten
years
and
in
ten
years
time.
M
If
somebody
comes
forward
with
a
proposal,
we're
gonna
tie
our
hands
further
and
say
by
the
way
anything
you
do
with
the
parking
lot,
which
is
the
only
area
you
can
develop,
you're
on
the
hook
for
making
sure
there's
850
spots
in
some
way
or
another
and
you've
got
a
remedy:
the
situation
for
whoever's
in
the
baseball
stadium,
who
probably
isn't
even
covering
the
cost
of
the
stadium.
At
that
point,
so
I
heard
something
about
learning
lessons.
M
Well,
there's
a
lesson
in
history
and
we've
got
lots
of
history
here
and
if
the
lesson
is,
don't
repeat,
repeat,
repeat,
do
something
right
and
do
it
differently.
The
last
thing
is,
we
can
all
follow
the
Pied
Piper
on
this
item
and
vote
for
the
report
before
us
or
vote
for
this
amendment.
I
think
the
right
way
to
go.
The
prudent
way
to
go
is
to
go
back
to
staff
and
I
gotta,
admit
I'm
a
little
puzzled.
That
staff
would
have
brought
this
report
forward.
I,
don't
know
what
what
the
marching
orders
were.
M
Don't
take
this
the
wrong
way,
but
I
would
expect
that
there
would
have
been
more
they're
saying
this
is
what
we
can
do.
This
is
the
value
of
this
land.
This
is
what
the
future
holds
for
the
land
not
to
maintain
an
empty
stadium.
That's
going
to
cost
us
and
I
know
that
I
know
the
tender.
Thirty
million
isn't
I
mean
it's
referenced
in
the
report,
we're
not
committing
to
that
cost,
but
the
way
government
policy
works
and
there's
a
great
document
out
there
that
talks
about
somebody
that
comes
up
with
this
idea.
M
M
M
mayor,
while
I
still
have
a
couple
of
seconds,
I
liked
your
comparison
to
community
facilities,
community
halls,
I,
don't
know
if
you
mentioned
parks,
libraries,
those
are
things
that
come
very
naturally
to
a
city
and
right
now
we
face
a
situation
where
we
have
stripped
down
our
budget
so
much.
For
instance,
our
soccer
for
is
paid.
Every
cent
is
paid
for
by
user
fees.
We
have
parks
right
now.
M
We
don't
even
have
7500
dollars
in
our
minor
capital
partnership
in
this
year's
budget
to
allow
our
communities
that
have
raised
thirty
to
forty
thousand
dollars
to
get
a
canopy
put
up
in
their
part,
because
the
seventy
five
hundred
dollars
isn't
there.
If
you're
gonna
spend
money,
if
you're
gonna
invest
money
in
community
facilities,
you
put
it
in
community
halls,
you
put
it
in
parts,
you
put
it
in
in
what
really
serves
your
community,
you
don't
put
it
in
a
stadium
that
may
attract
some
ball
players
from
somewhere
else.
Thank
you.
Well,.
C
E
This
motion,
this
deferral,
motion,
I,
think
people
need
to
step
back
and
and
see
the
signal
that
this
motion
itself
could
send.
If
we
don't
treat
it
properly,
we
have
a
proposal
by
staff.
That's
there
for
a
very
good
reason,
and
that
reason
is
that
there
are
other
people
interested
who
have
come
forward
with
other
creative
models
for
dealing
with
this
and
our
formal
way
of
doing
it
or
if
the
former
motions
that
we
passed
didn't
leave
enough
slack
room
for
those
to
be
considered.
E
So
the
proposal
deferring
the
proposal
will
mean
we
cut
out
those
people
and
those
groups
from
coming
forward
with
their
models
and
their
solutions
to
our
stadium's
future.
But
if
I
think
this
deferral
motion
gives
us
an
outstanding
opportunity
to
signal
to
those
out
there
who
are
interested,
that
we
are
committed
to
the
stadium
and
to
doing
our
best
to
make
a
new
partnership
work.
So
I
think
a
strong
vote
against
this
deferral
motion
does
exactly
that
tells
those
who
are
interested
and
they
are
out
there
that
we're
serious
about
this
and
I
think
that's.
J
C
O
Do
think
it's
important
to
note
that
this
is
not
the
first
time
that
we've
looked
for
another
team
we've
been
doing
this
over
and
over
and
over
over
again,
so
the
definition
of
insanity
is
doing
the
same
thing
over
again
and
expecting
a
different
result.
I,
don't
know
why
we
expect
a
different
result
when
every
time
we've
gone
down
this
path,
we've
found
out
that
there
isn't
a
team
and
that's
the
reality
and
the
cost
of
having
an
empty
stadium
is
a
real
cost
to
our
taxpayers.
I
thought
counselors
made
a
really
good
point.
O
Our
Parks
and
Rec
budgets
are
strained.
We
can't
put
the
money
into
Parks
and
Recreation
in
this
city
that
that
we
should
be
putting
into
it,
and
yet
we
put
millions
of
dollars
into
an
empty
stadium
and
I
think
it's
it's
not
fair
to
compare
the
thousands
and
thousands
of
visits
that
our
community
centers
and
our
libraries
get
every
year
and
the
communities
that
they
serve
with
an
empty
stadium
that
doesn't
get
visits,
and
you
know
just
ask
ask
yourself
this
over
the
last
15
years.
How
many
days
has
that
stadium
been
empty?
O
O
Giving
up
financially
in
terms
of
other
parks
and
recreation
programs
in
the
city
that
we
could
have
funded
if
we
were
putting
money
into
that
empty
stadium
and
nobody's
saying
make
a
decision
today.
We're
just
saying
take
the
time
at
this
point
in
this
process,
to
explore
the
options
and
at
least
understand
what
the
opportunities
are
before
we
go
down
this
path
yet
another
time.
Thank
you.
Thank.
K
Mayor,
if
you
look
at
the
report
in
detail,
the
timelines
for
the
report
are
to
have
a
response
by
the
end
of
this
year.
If
you
start
deferring
it
now,
there
will
be
no
response
by
the
end
of
this
year,
so
in
other
words,
deferring
it
as
a
sense
saying
that
that
we're
finished
with
it
so
I
will
not
support
deferral.
I
will
support
the
timelines
that
are
in
the
report.
K
E
A
Question
for
staff
from
in
a
comment
on
the
deferral
motion.
If
this
motion
was
to
go
ahead
and
be
successful
this
morning,
based
on
the
work
that
you've
done
so
far
obscure
Patrick,
what
would
be
the
impact
on
a
potential
deal
if
we,
if
we
deferred
and
sent
you
back
to,
do
the
various
research
that's
been
requested.
H
It
would
it
would
mean
that
there
is
no
chance
for
a
tenant
to
be
operating
baseball
in
that
stadium
in
2015,
and
some
of
the
indication
that
we
had
from
some
of
the
prospective
owners
who
were
talking
to
the
last
time
around
there
is
a
connection
between
when
it
when
they
could
start
and
their
interest
in
being
here
to
start
at
all.
So.
H
Some
of
the
some
of
the
people,
the
prospective
owners
that
we
spoke
to,
they
are
interested,
but
they
are
interested
in
starting
in
2015
the
longer
it
is
delayed
in
terms
when
they
could
potentially
start
markets
change
things
become
more
there's,
there's
lots
of
predictability,
so
I
think
I.
Finally,
I
apologize
I
think
the
marketplace
there's
greater
interest
in
being
able
to
be
here
if
they're
able
to
start
in
the
2015
season
versus
post
their
seasons
past
that
time.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you,
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
before
one
of
the
main
reasons
that
I
ran
for
council
last
election
was
when
I
kept
hearing
from
people.
Was
the
council
of
the
day
deferred
things
we
consider
things
put
things
off?
This
is
a
council
so
far
that
has
been
a
doing.
Council
we've
taken
projects
in
hand
and
we've
moved
them
forward.
We've
done
that
with
LRT.
A
We've
done
that
with
with
the
Lansdowne
Park,
and
this
is
another
project
that
we
have
to
make
the
decision
on,
and
we
have
to
move
it
forward
to
to
my
colleagues
who
have
said,
we've
discussed
this
and
it's
been
around
for
a
long
time.
It
has
been
around
for
a
long
time.
So
now
we
have
to
make
that
final
decision
and
move
forward
or
not
move
forward
and
I.
A
Don't
want
to
see
the
slippage
that
would
bring
us
back
to
the
previous
council
and
things
get
styled
projects
don't
happen
and
resonance,
get
frustrated
with
the
lack
of
action
at
the
council
table,
so
I'm
gonna
go
against
deferral
and
I'm
going
to
support.
I'm
gonna
support
this
report.
Thank
you.
D
A
good
number
one,
maybe
two
years-
is
there
a
plan
where
we
go.
There's
a
tipping
point.
We
have
to
say:
okay,
we
have
to
make
some
new
decisions,
so
I'll
be
working
with
with
staff
right
now
to
see
if
I
can
get
that
friendly
amendment
put
together
and
put
some
kind
of
parameters
around
how
far
we're
gonna
go
with
this.
Is
that
even
possible?
Mr.
Roker.
C
Think
maybe
we
should
explain,
though
there
are
some
time
limits,
because
this
has
to
come
back
in
order
to
meet
the
deadline.
Mr.
Kilpatrick,
because
I
think
councilor
Tierney's
point
is
a
good
one,
but
I
believe
there
is.
You
have
a
time
line
to
come
back
to
Council.
This
fall
if
I'm
not
mistaken.
Yes,.
C
So,
if
you're
satisfied
with
that,
counselor
I
think
that
accomplishes
what
you're
trying
to
do
and-
and
we
do
have
a
time
line,
because
the
baseball
schedule
for
Winter,
Meetings
and
so
on
as
such-
is
that
satisfactory
to
you,
okay,
okay
on
anyone
else
under
for
I'm,
just
going
to
speak,
go
very
briefly
against
a
deferral
for
a
number
of
reasons.
This
was
a
report
that
our
counsel
asked
for,
and
staff
have
come
back
and
respected
counsels
view
defying.
It
is
not
going
to
solve
the
problem.
I
think
it's
only
going
to
complicate
the
problem.
C
You
know,
I
had
a
great
opportunity
on
the
weekend
to
be
with
councilor
egg
live
in
councillors,
rally
at
the
40th
anniversary
of
the
nepean
sportsplex
and
councillor
harder.
Was
there
as
well
and
I
could
well
imagine
back
40
years
ago
the
debate
that
took
place
around
the
Nepean
council
table
at
that
time.
This
is
way
too
expensive.
C
It's
too
ambitious
who's
heard
of
a
complex
before,
because
everything
was
very
much
a
single
pad
use
or
a
single
gymnasium,
and
yet
they
had
the
wisdom
in
the
foresight
to
move
forward
and
it's
become
a
role
model
and
today
we're
with
CalSTRS
harder
and
Moffitt
and
to
rush
and
Wilkinson
and
Hobbs
at
the
naming
ceremony
for
the
new
complex
in
bar
Haven,
and
then
we
have
a
new
complex
coming
in
in
Canada
this
fall.
There
were
lots
of
people,
I
suspect
back
in
the
day.
C
That
said,
you
know,
let's
give
up
on
building
a
neat,
East,
End,
Art
Center,
and
the
number
of
failures
that
that
went
into
eventually
seeing
the
creation
of
the
Shankman
Center
and
people
didn't
give
up.
They
didn't
defer,
they
didn't,
you
know,
throw
in
the
towel
or
wave
the
white
flag.
So
the
notion
that
we've
been
trying
this
time
and
time
again.
This
councils
only
tried
this
once
we
were
not
successful
and
will
be
asked
to
go
back
a
second
time.
C
Lessons
learned
of
what
what
happened
in
the
last
go-around
we're
not
asking
for
any
dollars.
Above
and
beyond
the
life
cyclamate
and
installers
and
permission
for
staff
to
go
and
rent
out
the
facility
for
community
use
and
on
an
interim
basis,
so
I
think
it
would
send
a
very
negative
signal
to
any
potential
investor
number
of
people
vote
for
deferral
or,
if
even
to
four
wins.
C
It
would
in
essence,
kill
this
process
and
we'd
be
back
probably
in
another
year,
trying
to
decide
what
to
do
with
the
stadium
and
guess
what
the
state,
the
stadium
will
deteriorate
even
more.
So
the
notion
that
we
keep
pouring
money
into
an
empty
stadium
is
not
quite
true.
The
fact
is
that
successive
councils
have
not
put
the
dollars
into
the
stadium
to
maintain
it.
I
remember
our
old
city
manager
and
councilor
Dean's
will
remember
John
Burke
very
well.
He
used
to
call
the
baseball
stadium,
Lansdowne
and
training,
because
we
saw
what
happened.
C
You
don't
put
enough
resources
and
attention
at
Landsdowne
guess
what
happens?
The
building
is
condemned,
it
has
to
be
shut
down
now
the
building
has
to
be
shut
down
on
the
second
floor,
so
we
don't
want
to
go
down
that
path.
We
have
an
investment
tax
dollars
paid
for
this
site
and
we
want
to
at
least
see
if
there
are
other
opportunities
to
use
the
baseball
stadium
on
a
go-forward
basis.
C
All
of
us
will
have
a
very
serious
discussion
if
we're
not
successful
in
this
round,
because
at
some
point
you
can't
keep
going
on
and
on
and
on,
you
have
to
decide
alright.
What
is
the
next
plan
for
that
site
and
that
will
be
a
more
challenging
debate
for
all
of
us
around
the
table.
There's
no
question
about
that,
but
to
simply
give
up
and
have
this
defeatist
attitude
after
one
attempt
I
think
is
irresponsible
on
our
part
and
I'd
urge
you
to
vote
against
deferral
so
on
deferral,
yeas
and
nays.
Please.
I
L
C
E
C
O
O
2006
prior
to
January
1st
2019,
on
the
condition
that
the
equal
annual
payments
are
made
commencing
no
later
than
June
30
of
2014,
and
that
such
annual
payments
are
not
in
arrears
and
bit
further
resolved
that
this
interest
waiver
shall
end
in
respect
of
any
property.
So
of
subsequent
to
the
notice
of
the
first
applicable
quarter.
Provision
meeting
for
such
property.
Mr.
O
mayor
I
can
tell
you
that,
for
whatever
reason
we
we
are
a
long
way
back
in
collecting
these
fees
for
local
improvements
and,
as
my
grandmother
was
to
say,
and
all
that
time,
there's
a
lot
of
water
that
goes
under
the
bridge
and
what
I
we
went
out
to
a
public
meeting
and,
and
we
I
think
I'm
a
similar
canned.
Mr.
O
O'connor
will
tell
you
that
it's
not
that
people
don't
feel
that
they
should
pay,
but
they
do
feel
that
when
10
years
or
more
has
elapsed
that
their
economic
and
financial
situations
in
many
cases
have
changed
and
they
they
made
a
compelling
point.
I
think
that
an
interest
relief
would
be
given
that
the
city
didn't
build
them
for
a
10-year
period.
So
mr.
okona
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
if
you
could
comment
on
this
and
say
whether
or
not
the
city
is
recommending.
This
I
must.
D
Know
from
from
my
office's
point
of
view,
I
can
confirm
that
myself,
mr.
mark
the
treasurer
and
a
line,
gothy
I,
did
in
fact
attend
the
public
meeting
in
the
ward
councillors.
Ward
I
will
also
advise
that
people
spoke
very
passionately
about
this.
They
spoke
very
candidly
about
the
fact
that
this
was
a
a
matter
that
was
more
than
a
decade
in
the
making
so
to
speak
and
I
think
it.
D
It
was
also
very
candid
when
they
indicated
that
well,
some
of
the
residents
may
have
set
aside
funds
originally
to
pay
this
matter
off
in
a
timely
fashion,
but
other
agencies
that
are
risen
in
household
matters
and
as
the
councilor
indicated,
personal
circumstances
meant
that
they
spent
the
money
elsewhere.
So,
with
regard
to
the
motion
before
you,
I
can
advise
that
my
office
is
in
favor
of
this.
Yes,
Thank.
B
You
mr.
Mann,
mr.
deputy
mayor
I,
want
to
follow
up
just
on
that
point
with
mr.
O'connor.
Many
of
us
have
projects
in
a
ward
that
are
both
new
and
old
local
improvements,
they're
very
difficult
processes
to
latch,
because
the
stakes
are
high
for
some
of
the
home
owners
and
it
can
be
very
costly
process.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
mr.
acardo
that
what
we
approved
in
this
motion
is
not
just
a
special
case
for
this.
K
What
counsel
Dean
said
I've
talked
to
some
of
the
homeowners
involved
in
this
I
appreciate
the
work
that
mr.
O'connor
and
mr.
Mack
have
done
on
this
and
I
know
the
residents
do
as
well
and
they've
made
it
very
clear
that
they
understand
that
they
need
to
honor
this
debt.
But
what
has
happened
there's
over
the
time
period?
They
thought
they.
D
D
Happen
to
sit
on
the
corner
revision
for
for
these,
and
these
local
improvements
and
I
know.
We've
had
several
come
forward
and
council
had
had
a
motion
that
helped
address
some
issues
where
maybe
the
ownership
of
the
property
changed
and
they
weren't
realistically
aware,
but
I,
don't
necessarily
know
that
I
mean
all
these
all
these
people
have
signed
up
for
this.
D
If
there
are
60%
of
people,
they
all
know
what
they're
getting
into
and
when
it
when
it
comes
about
and
I
guess
like
we
have
what
maybe
11
12
of
these
outstanding,
the
largest
one
happens
to
involve
an
ethic
it's
most
of
these
60
homeowners
at
most
mansik
is,
is
over
five
hundred
so
far
very
different
eyes.
It
says
businesses
involved
and
that
comes
in
about
2008
2009.
That
period
went
through
the
construction
period
was
2009-2010.
D
A
D
D
D
I
D
When
they
went
on
sign
on
to
a
local
improvement,
everyone
is
when
they
do
so.
I
know
the
period
the
processor
went
through
a
magic
and
I
know
how
divisive
it
was
and
how
contentious
it
was
for
the
residents
involved.
They
know
what
they
got
into
when
they
signed
up
for
them.
They
know
there
was
interest,
they
have
the
ability
to
pay
up
front
in
one
lump
sum
with
no
interest
or
they
can
pay
overtime.
Some
of
those
are
10
years,
so
much
20
years.
D
C
F
K
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
somewhat
disappointing
that
we're
finally
getting
around
to
addressing
this,
the
costs
of
not
addressing
it,
have
been
significant.
On
the
other
hand,
these
local
improvements
and
any
others
that
we
contemplate
are
signed
up
by
the
residents
and
full
awareness
of
the
total
cost
of
project.
At
that
time,
and
as
councillor
Moffat
said,
they
could
pay
all
of
it
where
they
could
put
it
on
taxes
over
a
ten
year
period
or
twenty,
even
sometimes,
depending
on
the
size
of
it.
So
when
we
start
talking
about
this,
this
is
not
about.
K
This
motion
is
to
give
them
relief
for
interest
where
the
interest
was
incurred.
Seven
eight
years
ago,
minimum
up
to
fifteen
well,
frankly,
I
don't
know
whether
we
should
be
forgiving
them
interest
at
all.
I,
certainly
don't
agree
that
we
need
to
extend
that
to
to
spending
a
million
and
a
half
dollars
for
the
to
level
the
playing
field
so
to
speak.
I
certainly
wouldn't
support
extending
it
all
the
way
I've,
certainly
contemplate
voting
against
extending
it
at
all.
D
Miss
mr.
mayor,
it's
certainly
going
to
be
sass
intent
to
be
much
more
vigilant
with
regards
to
these
matters,
and
I
did
want
to
make
one
minor
clarification
with
regards
to
the
eight
local
improvement
charge,
areas
that
were
that
may
be
subject
to
this
type
of
dispensation,
and
two
of
them
were
actually
City
driven
projects,
so
they
weren't
under
the
petition
process.
So
those
individuals
did
not
have
a
did
not
have
a
say-so
to
speak.
E
Thank
you,
your
worship,
my
my
point
of
order
is
we
have
a
notice
of
motion
from
councillor
Dean's
I.
Think
the
motion,
via
the
so
called
amendment
from
councillor
Moffat,
is
really
a
separate
motion
covering
a
different
time
period,
for
which
I
think
we
should
have
received
notice
so
I'm
asking
for
a
ruling.
If,
whether
councillor
Moffitt's
motion,
it
is
really
a.
C
G
You
mr.
mayor
I
put
my
name
a
seconder,
because
I
wanted
to
have
the
discussion.
Quite
frankly,
as
councillor
Moffat
said,
counselor
Kadri
and
councillor
Moffat
and
I
have
the
an
enviable
job
of
being
the
the
court
of
revision
and,
if
I'm
successful
in
the
next
election,
just
to
be
on
the
record,
I
won't
be
on
it
the
next
time.
It
is
I
think
that
I
understand
individually,
where
everybody
is
coming
from,
who
have
these
local
interests,
local
area
charges
impacting
parts
of
their
ward,
but
make
no
well
I'd.
Actually
before
I
go
on.
A
G
G
So
you
see
when
you
think
about
it,
those
two
I
think
you
could
argue
a
case
that
they
should
be
forgiving.
We
just
we've
had
a
couple
of
meetings,
that's
court
of
revision
and
we
had
a
fairly
contentious
one
or
Leggett,
and
so
now,
as
councillor
Wilkinson,
said
that
that
one
she's
brought
up
the
fact.
Well,
it
was
before
2006.
So
therefore
that
would
have
to
be
adjusted
to
which
I'm
sure
would
alter
the
figures
as
well
and
we're
talking
when
you're
talking
about
in
$71,000.
G
It's
still
one
hundred
and
seventy
one
thousand
dollars,
especially
after
you
know
the
pressures
that
we
know
that
we're
all
facing
in
our
parks
and
any
a
number
of
places
really
and
in
the
fact,
mr.
mayor,
that
you've
led
the
charge
on
holding
the
line
on
user
fees
for
every
year
of
this
term
of
counsel.
So,
with
the
exception
of
the
page,
a
and
the
Innes,
then
everybody
else
knew
that
this
was
the
deal
and,
as
I
said,
to
one
person
who
came
to
the
court.
G
C
D
Thank
you,
worship.
You
know.
We've
had
we've
had
two
or
three
weeks
to
consider
councillor
Dean's
motion
the
financial
impacts
of
the
the
Moffitt
harder
amendment
are
potentially
a
significant.
Why
I
move
that
we
refer
the
amendment
to
the
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee,
so
that
a
proper
report
on
its
impacts
on
the
financial
impacts
etc
can
be
presented
to
Council,
so
that
we
can
have
a
more
fulsome
discussion
and
understand
precisely
what
it
is
that
we'd
be
agreeing
to
instead
of
trying
to
work
it
on
the
fly
on
a
napkin
this
afternoon,.
L
C
Right
so
we
have
a
motion
now
to
refer
this
to
fedko.
I
would
urge
members
of
council
not
to
support
referral.
We've
had
a
very
strong
opinion
from
the
treasurer
and
from
our
senior
legal
counsel
that
the
deans
egg
lie
motion
makes
sense,
there's
rationale
behind
it,
there's
legal
justification
for
it,
but
his
counsel
harder
pointed
out.
We
all
of
a
sudden
accept
the
Moffitt
motion.
It
becomes
a
free-for-all
and
it
sends
a
very
bad
signal
that
you
know.
C
Maybe,
if
we're
late,
sending
a
bill
in
a
couple
of
weeks
and
something
else
guess
what
that'll
set
the
precedent.
Well,
let's
just
hold
our
breath
and
make
sure
we
don't
get
that
bill.
So
I
think
you
know,
with
all
due
respect
to
calcium,
often
I
understand
where
he's
going,
because
he
has
some
constituents
that
are
seeing
this
debate
go
on
and
say:
why
should
some
constituents
get
in
and
not
others
I
think
the
three
rationale
points
that
mr.
mark
brought
forward
do
make
sense.
C
They
make
sense
to
support
the
deans,
my
motion
and
equally
they
support
us
not
supporting
the
Moffitt
motion.
So
we
do
have
a
motion
from
councilor
bleh
to
refer
the
Moffitt
harder
motion,
which
is
we
now
know
harder,
doesn't
support,
but
you'll
keep
your
name
on
it,
I
suppose,
okay
to
fedko,
so
I
would
council
off
it.
I.
C
F
I
D
I
J
C
A
very
historic,
more
like
his
counselor
Thompson,
supported,
accounts
or
Dean's
motions.
Congratulations
to
you!
Both
that's
right!
Counselor
do
rush.
Has
a
motion
saying
by
councillor
lsanty,
which
has
been
given
previous
notice.
Counselor,
do
rush
on
the
emotions.
Mr.
mayor
yesterday
also
braless
as
a
conflict.
M
C
D
C
B
Doors
please
thank
you.
Mr.
Mehra
SJ
had
the
opportunity
to
attend
the
swearing
in
of
our
debauch
ceremony
for
our
new
police
recruits,
who
was
joined
by
yourself
mr.
mayor
and
the
chief
of
police,
councillor
frontier,
as
well
as
councillor
harder,
and
what
struck
me
was
out
of
a
dozen
or
so
officers,
though
five
of
them
were
there
proudly
wearing
their
military
medals.
B
Many
from
the
Afghanistan
war,
and
it
struck
me
that
we
are
on
the
right
track
if
we
are
hiring
and
recruiting
people
who
have
military
experience,
who
I
think
can
very
easily
convert
those
skills
and
abilities
to
jobs
here
at
the
City
of
Ottawa.
So
some
time
ago,
mr.
mayor
was
approached
by
the
parliamentary
secretary
of
veterans
affairs,
of
a
national
initiative
to
hire
veterans
who
are
retiring
or
who
are
leaving
the
military,
and
what
this
motion
is
calling
on.
Mr.
B
Mehra's,
that
we
participate
in
this
program
and
is
really
a
simple
notion
that
we
share
our
job
postings
with
the
Veterans
Affairs,
so
that
they
can
then
distribute
them
to
the
veterans
community
and
they
have
an
opportunity
to
compete
for
these
these
jobs.
We
would
also
I
think
mr.
mayor
take
the
opportunity
to
reach
out
to
the
military
community
here
in
the
City
of
Ottawa.
This
is
the
the
headquarters
of
the
Department
of
National,
Defense
and
I.
B
Think
over
the
years
there
has
been
perhaps
a
bit
of
a
curtain
between
the
residents
and
the
military
community
here
and
I.
Think
there
is
some
considerable
benefit
if
we
start
to
reach
out
to
them,
because
we
do
do
recruitment
for
firefighting.
We
do
we
do
recruitment
for
the
police.
We
do
as
a
city
about
that.
We
are
a
great
employer
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
staff
include
the
military
on
their
outreach
and
recruitment
activities
in
this
motion.
I
think
mr.
B
mayor
is,
is
appropriate
for
the
nation's
capital
city
that
has
a
very
large
military
community
that
we
see
almost
on
a
daily
basis
when
we're
commuting
into
work
or
for
walking
around
the
downtown
core.
So
I'm
asking
for
the
support
of
colleagues
that
we
sign
up
for
this.
This
initiative
and
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
a
motion
that
is
supported
by
staff
and
they
see
it
as
being
feasible
and
really
does
not
incur
any
additional
expense.
The
city
of
Iowa.
Thank
you
great.
C
The
other
comments,
thanks
to
councillor
to
rush
now
center
on
the
motion
carried
motions
requiring
suspension
of
the
rules
of
procedure.
We
have
at
least
two
that
I'm
aware
of
count
slow,
try
to
chanko
place
on
suspension
for
construction
of
parking
facility
over
topo
train
on
suspension
kind,
councillor,
chatter,
chenko,
please
thank.
C
N
For
once,
this
is
any
request
for
noise
exemption
at
Carlton.
Oddly
enough,
I
am
moving
a
motion
for
a
noise
by
exemption
to
allow
overnight
at
work
when
I
can
hear
it
from
my
own
bedroom
window.
So
it's
with
much
trepidation
that
I
bring
this
forward
and
I'm
in,
but
I
wanted
to
qualify
from
from
staff.
Mr.
N
L
L
L
L
N
For
clarity
for
everyone,
the
motivation
for
this
it's
this
is
not
I,
suppose,
a
private
sector
that
is
looking
to
save
money
by
speeding
up
the
work
as
I
understand
it.
It's
actually,
you
could
say
it's
the
city
imposing
the
deadline
through
the
need
to
put
the
o
train
back
into
operation
by
a
hard
date
that.
L
Is
correct,
M
we,
the
city,
is
doing
work
on
expanding
the
o
train.
Now
the
arena
shut
down
to
August
29th,
and
then
there
do
some
track
testing
and
then
it'll
be
an
operation
on
September
3rd
Carleton
has
to
be
out
of
our
way
by
that
date,
there's
a
drop-dead
date.
They
had
a
very
aggressive
schedule.
There
was
a
very
little
slippage
in
it
and
we're
getting
to
the
point
now
that
they
needed
to
work
at
night
to
meet
they
drop-dead
date
of
getting
out
of
our
way
by
the
29th
of
August
and.
L
N
G
You
mr.
mayor,
the
nearest
homes,
I
think
900
meters
away,
which
is
twice
the
distance
I.
Think
of
what
an
acceptable
bus
stop
is.
The
fact
is,
is
the
Carlton,
University
and
I
know
this
for
a
fact
when
speaking
with
mr.
McNair
and
with
Robin
and
other
people
and
with
people
from
Carlton,
this
has
been
a
very,
very
difficult
project
for
them.
Ok,
and
it's
costing
tons
of
money
to
the
University
and
as
you
heard,
it
needs
to
happen
because
of
the
work
that
we
made
for
the
old
train.
So
let's
just
vote
for
it.
B
B
It
is
recognized
by
the
Government
of
Canada
and
that
we
take
steps
to
commemorate
this
very
special
milestone
through
a
flag
raising
and
through
a
proclamation
for
the
week
of
July,
June
25th
of
July
1st,
and
that
a
park
in
my
war
to
be
named
after
a
local
Korean
veteran
who's
been
an
outstanding
citizen
for
the
city
of
ATO
by
the
name
of
mr.
Gus
asked,
and
his
name
has
been
submitted
to
the
commemorative
naming
process
and
I'll
be
asking
for
Council's
approval
at
the
next
meeting.
Thank
you
all
right.
E
E
D
Think
you
missed
me:
I
was
going
to
introduce
in
there
was
a
motion,
but
staff
have
indicated
they're
happy
to
take
this
as
direction
so
with
the
will
of
Council
to
live.
The
rule
saw
for
some
direction
to
our
city
staff
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
sir,
is
that
the
mr.
mr.
Kirkpatrick
write
a
letter
to
the
province
to
reaffirm
the
sea
of
Ottawa's
position
at
Ohio.
D
174
should
be
uploaded
to
virtual
responsibility
and
request
the
province,
assume
full
responsibility
and
obligation
for
Ola
174
as
soon
as
possible,
and
that,
if
a
response
to
the
seas
requests
is,
is
no
staff
asked
the
problems
to
allow
the
city
by
way
of
an
appropriate
regulation
to
designate
parts
of
our
174
as
a
toll
highway
under
section
subsection
41
of
the
Municipal
Act
2001.
If
council
chooses
to
do
so
in
the
future,.
M
You
mr.
mayor
I
just
just
want
to
know
from
the
clerk
in
terms
of
the
status
of
any
any
requests
that
we've
made
in
the
past,
and
you
may
recall
that
well,
first
saw
this
term.
Mr.
mayor,
there
was
a
motion
that
councillor
Manette
had
made
with
respect
to
uploading
the
174,
which
I
believe
you're
ruled
out
of
order,
but
there
had
been
previous
requests
to
the
province
to
upload
the
174
I
wonder
if
the
clerk's
office
can
remind
us
of
those
requests
and
what
happened
to
them.
First.
M
D
D
I
M
Mr.
man
I'm
just
writing
out
now
we
became
aware
I
think
earlier
this
week
that
some
emails
were
being
blocked,
whether
to
staff
or
whatever.
My
inquire
is
if
this
has
been
a
common
practice
who
would
have
authorized,
who
would
authorize
any
blockage
of
of
emails
and
has
any
of
this
applied
to
city
councilors?
Mr.