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From YouTube: Ottawa City Council – August 28, 2013
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Ottawa City Council meeting – August 28, 2013
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A
B
You
mr.
mayor
welcome
tenor.
Michael
cardi
has
worked
and
lived
in
old,
Auto,
a
South
and
Sandy
Hill
for
20
years.
In
addition
to
his
work
as
a
solo
and
choral
singer,
he
is
a
freelance,
simultaneous
interpreter
and
radio
producer
Michael
has
just
returned
from
a
tour
of
Scotland
and
England
with
the
Christchurch
Cathedral
Choir
of
men
and
boys,
and
he
has
also
performed
several
concerts
recently
in
Germany.
Welcome
Michael.
C
D
A
A
For
five
years
as
chairman,
as
well
as
the
Kanata
Legion,
where
he
served
as
chairman
sergeant
of
arms
and
parade
commander,
he
was
also
a
founding
member
and
past
chair
of
the
pennies
Point
foundation,
where
he
helped
to
restore
the
property
and
negotiate
the
handover
of
the
property
to
the
city
as
a
heritage
park.
Major
Berry
is
a
22
year
member
of
unit,
seven
of
the
Korean
veteran
Association.
A
Where
is
currently
both
the
sergeant
at
arms
and
parade
commander,
he
is
also
an
avid
motorcyclist
as
part
of
the
local
chapter
of
the
Army
veterans
motorcycle
unit
through
his
named
rider
of
the
year
in
2009.
It's
fitting
that
we
have
major
very
receiving
this
award
in
2013,
which
is
the
year
of
the
Korean
veteran
in
Canada,
so
long
home
for
them
Avianca,
sis
Wow,
guys
it.
A
A
That
alone
would
be
reason
enough
to
celebrate
major
berry,
but
he
has
lived
a
life
of
service
to
this
community,
which
is
why
we're
here
today,
for
all
that
you
have
done
and
continue
to
do,
for
your
fellow
residents
and
fellow
veterans
in
Ottawa
I
want
to
sincerely
thank
you
for
your
service
to
our
community
and
it's
my
honor,
along
with
our
deputy
mayor
in
your
city,
councilor
Eli,
Olson
Terry.
To
present
you
with
the
bear
city
builder
Awards
a
job
well
done!
Congratulations.
A
G
F
Jeans
yeah
councillor
Tierney,
come
see
a
flurry
see
councillor
Clark
here.
C
A
See
you
have
quorum
sonde
process,
ville,
boo,
Vell,
bola
de
set
de
mint
price
confirmation,
the
minutes
July
17
2013
carried
declarations
of
interest,
including
those
originally
arising
from
prior
meetings.
Steve
Nunn
communications
as
presented
regrets
councillor
hubely
advise
you'll,
be
absent
from
the
council
meeting
of
the
28th
of
August
2013
motion
introduced
reports.
Most
important
present,
I
still
got
Balkan,
say
Holmes
Abe,
Louis.
A
Carried
okay,
so
first
item
is
the
Ontario
Lottery
and
Gaming
RFP
process
and,
as
you
know,
from
the
clerk's
memo
we'll
deal
with
all
three
items,
which
is
the
fete
commotion,
the
health
report
and
the
transportation
economic
development
studies
issue
that
are
all
on
the
agenda
today.
So
we'll
come
back
to
to
those
as
we
go
through
the
rest
of
the
agenda.
A
Environment
Committee
report
24
appalled,
numeral
vent
vent
cat.
The
committee
de
long
hit
on
all
PLAs
Co,
a
long-term
waste
conversion
agreement
come
back
to
that
fedko
will
come
back
to
the
OLG.
At
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
planning
committee
report,
number
53
ate
up
all
the
middle
sang-ho
wads
committee
de
lille
banned
yzma
item
8
&
9
should
be
held
together
on
eight
and
nine
carried
and
carried
zoning.
17
19
and
23
Robinson
Avenue
carried
zoning
for
60
sailor
on
boulevard
zone
as
cat
sees
it
open
revolt.
A
Sailor
doll,
carry
adopt
a
planning
committee
report,
number
54
zone,
as
wit
wit
system,
a
March
8
8
6
March
Road
carried
zoning
1
1
9
for
carp,
Road,
an
F
caption,
a
carp
carried
zoning
320
McCloud
Street
12,
a
McCloud
carried
adopt
a
Official
Plan
and
zoning
319
McCrae
Avenue
plan
oficial
a
zone
as
tois
saudi
sniff
avenue
McRae
carried
a
zoning
335
Michael
Copeland
Drive,
recite
promenade
Michael
Copeland
carried
bulk
consent
agenda
is
presented
as
anyone
wish
to
remove
anything
Callister
blowers.
I'd
like
to
hold
a
pine
un
placement.
A
Okay,
that's
item
number
d:
does
anyone
else
wish
to
hold
anything
on
the
bulk
consent
agenda
on
the
bulk
consent
agenda,
as
presented
Pineview
disposition
of
items
approved
by
committee
under
delegated
authority
received
okay?
So
we
go
back
to
the
first
item
and
I
believe
everyone
did
receive
a
copy
of
the
the
clerks
memo
which
lumps
all
of
the
items
under
the
OLG
RFP
process
together.
A
So
just
to
remind
people
at
the
deputy
clerk,
the
motion,
as
moved
by
Councillor
McCray
and
seconded
by
Councillor
tyranny,
I
believe
all
right,
so
just
to
remind
everyone
before
we
open
up
the
floor.
The
first
item
is
the
selection
of
Rideau
Carleton
with
the
allocation.
The
second
is
I'll
call
it
the
tyranny
motion,
which
is
the
Health
Department
recommendations.
A
E
In
addition
to
the
transitional
funding
in
19
2014
and
the
amount
to
be
set
by
the
province
survey,
part
of
the
Ontario
horse
racing
industry
panel
in
future
years,
whereas
having
this
information
will
provide
counsel
with
knowledge
about
the
funding
needed
to
keep
our
co-operation
operating
in
the
future.
And
where
has
concerns
expressed
about
having
any
business
given
preferential
treatment
as
to
the
location
of
a
casino
operation
or
as
count.
The
council
decision
on
the
procurement
process
and
location
for
a
casino
operation
would
benefit
from
having
information
about
the
future.
E
A
E
You,
mr.
mayor,
the
reason
I'm
asking
for
deferral
is
I.
Have
the
person
like
to
have
all
the
information
available
before
I
start
making
decisions
on
an
item
and
the
funding
that
our
CR
is
going
to
receive
to
replace
what
they've
had
from
the
slots?
Because
the
province
is
in
fact
cancelled
the
slaw
operation
at
casinos?
Already
there
just
maintaining
it
by
not
giving
them
a
percentage
of
the
retake
which
they've
had
up
till
last
March,
but
only
given
them
the
rental
income
and
because
they
have
said
they
think
that
they
can
operate
on.
That.
E
It
is
I
think
this
council
has
always
wanted
to
have
full
information
before
making
decisions,
so
it
causes
me
is
why
we
really
haven't
been
given
much
information
on
the
other
sources
of
revenue
for
the
racetrack
and
we
further
hastily
I.
Think
went
from
a
full
open
competition
which
we
originally
approved
to
1,
which
is
site-specific
without
having
all
of
the
information
on
the
financing
of
that
site-specific,
location
and
I.
E
Think
at
the
beginning
there
was
even
some
less
understanding
about
the
fact
that
the
slot
operation
has
already
been
cancelled
by
the
province
that
the
10m
10%
they
were
getting
from,
that
they
do
what
no
longer
receive
as
of
the
end
of
March.
They
have
received
some
this
year.
Obviously,
last
year
they
got
thirteen
point
four
million
for
that
calendar
year.
Now
they
get
only
whatever
the
rental
is,
and
we
don't
even
know
what
that
is.
E
So
this
is
just
a
request
to
make
sure
we
have
that
information
before
we
make
a
decision,
which
is
a
difficult
one,
I
recognize
and
one
that,
but
one
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
polarization
I,
don't
think
we
need
that
polarization
I
think
we
can
have
it
done
much
more
openly
and
not
create
hard
feelings
with
anybody.
If
we
have
the
information
we
deal
with
it
fairly,
we
allow
people
to
talk
to
each
other,
so
I
would
urge
council
to
say.
Yes,
we
do
want
to
know.
E
We
do
want
that
information
and
we'd
like
to
have
it
before
we
make
a
decision
not
after
we
make
a
decision,
because
that's
not
the
way
we
normally
operate
and
it's
not
the
way,
I
think
it
should
be,
and
it's
simply
because
I
am
very
much
in
favor,
as
you
already
know,
for
a
very
open
process,
I,
don't
care
who
gets
a
casino
and
I'll.
Tell
you
right
now:
I,
don't
like
casinos!
E
E
They
will
do
that,
because
I
did
speak
to
somebody
at
a
mu
who
told
me
they
are
in
on
progress
to
do
that
so
I'm
not
looking
for
a
long
deferral,
I'm,
not
looking
for
a
final
provincial
decision
on
that
report,
because
I
think
the
report
will
be
very
good
and
will
probably
give
us
a
very
strong
handle
on
how
it's
going
to
be
done.
So
that's
why
the
request
is
here.
Mr.
E
mayor,
it's
not
to
say
anything
against
any
member
of
this
council
in
the
position
they've
taken,
including
yourself,
but
just
to
say,
I
as
a
person
feel
I
cannot
make
a
decision
without
the
information
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
that
before
we
make
that
decision.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Thank.
A
You
anyone
else
on
deferral,
okay,
I'm,
gonna,
recommend
we
not
defer
this
item
I've
indicated
in
the
past.
There
are
really
two
separate
issues:
the
horse
racing
industry
and
and
the
the
slots,
and
we're
tasked
with
dealing
with
the
o
lg's
responsibility,
which
is
the
slot
so
yeas
and
nays
on
deferral.
Please.
F
A
A
Yeah,
if
we
could
have
the
motion
on
screen
and
I
believe
it's
been
circulated
in
writing
as
well,
madam
deputy
clerks
and
if
his
counselor
harder,
not
haven't
it
was
sent
last
night.
So
if
we
get
copies,
otherwise
it
is
on
its.
It
won't
fit
all
on
the
screen,
but
councillor
Manette
for
debate,
please.
Mr.
A
H
Mr.
Mehra's,
can
you
give
other
people
the
opportunity
to
be
first,
you
know,
I,
don't
think
we
should
go
behind
not
have
a
at
least
someone
speak
today
about
this
issue
that
we've
been
dealing
with
for
two
years.
There's
been
a
lot
of
talk
in
the
last
little
while
as
to
how
this
situation
has
has
come
about
and
I
think
it's
I
think
it
it's
important
for
all
of
us
to
be
very
clear
that
this
is
not
the
provinces
fall
or
LG's
fault.
H
So
you
know
lessons
learned
and
I'll
be
supporting
what
I
supported
two
years
ago,
which
was
the
relatively
minor
and
small
expansion
in
Rio,
Carlton,
Raceway
I
think
putting
the
restrictions
on
it
or
since
the
restrictions
is
as
I've
said
before
is
silly.
If
we
want
the
raceway
to
actually
compete
with
with
Lachlan
me,
we
need
to
give
them
the
tools
and
resources
necessary
to
do
that.
So
I'll
support
the
the
relatively
small
expansion
and
I
will
no
I
won't
support
the
restrictions
all.
F
Thinking
for
that,
but
I'm
going
to
just
speak
to
this
one
as
opposed
to
others
that
may
come
along
following
up
on
what
councillor
bleh
was
saying.
If
we
were
back
a
year
ago
when
we
started
the
fair
and
open
process
which
was
to
approve
consideration
of
a
a
casino
for
the
City
of
Ottawa.
When
we
started
down
that
road,
our
goal
was
to
tell
the
OLG
that
we
are
open
to
recommendations,
you've
taken
the
information,
and
let
us
know
what
what
those
recommendations
would
be
now
before
us.
F
F
I
think
that
this
is
very
limiting
and
so
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
this
I'm,
not
supporting
the
Rideau
Carleton
as
being
the
sole
choice,
but
I'm
certainly
not
going
to
be
in
a
position
to
limit
what
is
there
to
what
is
there
currently
today
and
actually
the
21
gaming
tables,
which
aren't
there,
but
adding
that
I
see
that
as
being
a
city
that
last
week
was
awarded
the
economic
development
best
city
in
the
world
is
not
something
that
fits
in
well
with
that
award
that
we
we
undertook.
Thank
you
thank.
M
M
We
we
have
an
issue
that
we
didn't
ask
for
in
front
of
us
courtesy,
the
olg
and
that's
not
a
complaint.
It's
simply
a
fact.
It
was
an
issue
raised
at
the
provincial
level
and
it's
an
issue.
That's
not
black
and
white,
and
it
doesn't
have
a
simple
answer:
there's
no
single
solution!
That's
going
to
satisfy
our
absolutely
everybody!
You
have
those
who,
like
his
casinos
and
those
who,
don't
you,
have
various
businesses
and
potential
investors.
M
You
have
those
that
may
lose
their
jobs
and
income
if
those
can
who
can
enjoy
gambling
as
a
pastime
like
going
to
a
movie
and
those
that
are
significantly
impacted
by
it
and
need
our
help.
Those
are
just
some
of
the
issues
and
players
involved
at
at
all.
This
is
a
well
researched
and
practical
report
from
our
health
board,
saying
quite
pragmatically
that
we
have
a
problem
currently
and
it
will
likely
get
worse.
It
recognizes
the
gambling
in
one
form
or
another,
is
here
to
stay,
but
that
it
needs
to
be
addressed.
M
In
my
particular
circumstances.
Added
to
this
mix
is
my
role
as
a
councillor,
my
role
as
a
health
board
member
I
reached
out
to
my
community
in
a
variety
of
ways,
from
email
to
my
newsletter
to
holding
a
public
drop
in
earlier
this
month.
On
the
issue
of
casinos,
my
community
has
provided
me
with
several
consistent
themes:
one
we
don't
want
a
downtown
casino.
M
We
like
Rideau,
Carleton
and
its
location
3.
We
don't
want
a
second
gaming
facility
in
Ottawa
and
4.
We
are
concerned
about
social
and
health
impacts
of
gambling.
Taking
all
this
into
account
and
my
own
personal
views
on
gaming
and
casinos,
the
question
becomes:
how
does
one
vote
and
make
an
honest
attempt
to
respond
to
all
these
interests
issues
and
constituencies?
I
tend
to
be
pragmatic
in
my
approach
to
difficult
issues.
I
know
them
not
going
to
please
everyone,
no
matter
what
I
do.
M
In
some
cases
the
difficult
issues
open
up
the
opportunity
for
compromise,
so
that
a
number
of
issues
and
interests
can
be
addressed.
I
believe
that
our
CR
does
this.
To
a
certain
extent,
the
in
front
of
us
today
is
essentially
the
reaffirmation
of
the
21
gaming
tables
that
Council
has
already
approved.
I
voted
against
it
at
the
time
because
of
the
lack
of
a
report
from
the
Ottawa
Public
Health
port.
We
now
have
that
report,
and
it
too
is
pragmatic
and
forms
the
basis
of
the
amendment
I
moved
that
was
passed
at
fedko.
M
The
ten
proposals
are,
as
one
of
my
colleagues
referred
to
at
the
ten
commandments,
are,
in
my
opinion,
thoughtful
and
accepting
of
gambling
of
gambling
not
going
away,
but
at
the
same
time
needing
to
be
addressed,
I'm
not
suggesting
we
end
gambling
in
Ottawa,
but
that
we
deal
with
it
responsibly.
For
example,
we
allow
alcohol,
but
we
set
an
age
limit.
We
card
people
at
bars
in
the
LCBO
we
have
a
smart
server
program
and
police
enforcement
campaigns
to
name
just
a
few
initiatives.
M
M
The
motion,
along
with
the
amendment
that
I
proposed,
is
a
reasonable
way
to
address
this
situation
and
move
it
along
so
I
thank
everybody
for
their
support
of
fedko
I
hope
it's
still
here
today,
along
some
additional
counselors
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
on
the
matter.
Thank
you
all
right,
Thank.
B
My
original
vote,
regional
opposition
to
adding
the
gaming
tables
was
quite
simply
because
I
knew
just
enough
about
the
social
and
health
impacts
on
enough
people
in
this
province.
To
be
concerned
that
adding
the
attraction
of
more
gaming
tables
was
not
a
good
thing
in
my
view,
and
I
did
not
want
to
go
down
that
road.
I
didn't
have
a
report.
B
B
What
we
also
have
is
informally
a
lot
of
information.
That's
come
to
us
about
the
economic
pros
and
cons
of
gambling
institutions.
We
did
not
call
for
a
formal
report.
I
think
we
should
have
I
wish
we
had,
but
a
lot
of
information
has
come
to
light,
whether
it's
through
more
journalistic
research
on
this
or
academic
studies
that
again
show
us
that
the
benefits
the
economic
benefits
of
gambling
institutions
are
highly
overrated.
B
They
tend
a
gambling
institution
tends
to
hollow
out
business
around
it.
Certainly
in
a
downtown
community.
The
impact
is
frequently
being
a
negative
one.
So,
ultimately
the
choice
of
whether
to
use
a
casino
or
to
promote
you
know
expand
access
to
gambling
as
economic
development.
The
proof
seems
to
me
that
it
doesn't
do
that.
It
isn't
really
a
useful
Avenue
for
Ottawa
to
be
pursuing
economic
development,
so
back
to
councilor
guys
comments.
Where
does
all
of
this
leave?
Who
leave
us
today,
with
the
votes
available
to
us?
B
I
find
myself
back
where
the
simplest
thing
is
to
not
vote
to
vote,
not
even
to
expand,
read
alcohol
in
race
way,
and
that
is
in
my
attempt
to
parse
my
way
through
our
various
options
here.
I'll
be
voting
again
not
to
expand.
I
will
certainly
be
voting
if
it's
still
relevant
at
that
point,
depending
on
the
outcome
to
support
the
health
recommendations
in
the
form
of
what
was
presented
by
the
Board
of
Health
and
the
motion
from
councilor
egg
lie.
Some
said
that
this
is
tying
the
hands
of
business.
B
To
impose
these
heavy-handed
rules
upon
them.
I
don't
see
it
at
all.
That
way,
when
we
license
an
institution
to
serve
alcohol,
when
we
license
an
institution
to
serve
food
or
to
be
a
corner
store
or
somebody
to
drive
a
bus
or
on
and
on
on
that
list
can
go.
We
recognize
that
there
are
risks
associated
with
that
and
we
provide
rules
that
protect
public
safety
and
try
to
find
a
balance
between
protecting
public
health
and
safety
and
allowing
business
to
go
ahead.
B
L
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
well,
mr.
mayor
this,
what
we
have
before
us
is
only
to
step
in
a
bungled
process
in
them,
but
I'm
not
going
to
rehash
how
we
got
here
and
all
the
twists
and
turns
that
happen.
I'm
gonna
focus
on
the
second
part
of
this
motion
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
this
motion
actually
came
about,
because
the
second
part
looks
like
a
regurgitation
of
the
egg-like
motion
from
committee
the
other
day
and
which
I
was
surprised,
that
it
didn't
get
more
reaction
than
it
did.
L
But
the
question
really
before
us,
the
original
question
should
have
been.
Do
we
want
a
casino
and
we've
never
really
asked
that
that
question?
If
you
don't
want
a
casino,
you
vote
against
it
and
try
to
kill
it
off
that
way.
Well,
that
horse
has
left
the
barn,
probably
the
only
time
we
asked
that
question
was
back
in
my
Gloucester
days.
We
actually
had
that
discussion.
We
actually
had
that
vote
and
I'm.
L
Probably
the
only
one
left
around
here
who
who
voted
in
favor
of
that
but
voted
in
favor
with
in
favor
of
it,
was
some
reluctance
and
the
reluctance
was
because
we
are
surrounded
by
gambling,
whether
it's
across
the
river,
whether
it's
horse-racing,
whether
it's
bingo,
whether
it's
lottery
tickets,
whatever
we're
surrounded
with
it
and
the
problems
that
exist
that
are
identified
in
the
health
report.
They
exist
regardless.
They
exist,
whether
you
put
in
a
downtown
casino,
whether
you
expand
Rideau
Carleton
whatever.
So
the
issue
really
before
us
is.
L
Do
you
want
to
move
ahead
and
I've
consistently
voted?
Yes,
move
ahead,
I've
held
my
nose
doing
that,
but
the
second
part
of
this
to
try
and
sort
of
twist
ourselves
in
knots
to
justify
why
you
could
have
a
casino
operation
or
expanded
Rideau
Carleton
operation
and
put
in
all
these
conditions,
you're,
basically
putting
the
blinders
on
try
and
ignore
the
reality
out
there
and
in
that
case,
go
back
and
just
vote
no
vote
against
to
completely
don't
twist
yourself
in
knots,
trying
to
justify
something
and
tying
yourself
down.
L
D
You
very
much
mr.
Maron-
and
this
has
been
a
very
unclean
and
and
sometimes
unclear
process
and
the
residents
that
I've
spoken
to
have
said
that
they
wanted
to
protect
Rideau
Carleton
Raceway,
that
they're
not
in
favor
of
expanding
gaming
in
any
large
way
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
but
they
also
believe
that
other
proponents,
such
as
sands
owner
Eugene
Melnick,
should
be
able
to
compete
in
some
way.
D
So
in
my
mind,
the
process
that
we've
or
the
product
that
we
have
arrived
at
today
at
least
satisfies
three
of
those
or
sorry
at
least
satisfies
some
of
those
goals.
So
the
process
has
been
about
trying
to
satisfy
those
three
goals.
There
was
an
additional
goal.
You
know
way
back
at
the
beginning
about
repatriating
gaming
dollars
from
Quebec
and
thanks
to
the
work
of
our
Board
of
Health.
We
understand
that
there
is
an
additional
goal
here
now,
which
is
to
access
monies
to
assist
in
the
mitigation
or
treatment
of
gaming
addiction.
D
So
with
a
total
of
five
goals,
this
motion
addresses
three
of
them:
it
caps
gaming.
At
its
present
level,
it
protects
the
Rideau
Carleton
Raceway
and
it
endorses
the
need
for
addressing
the
health
aspects.
The
two
things
it
doesn't
do
is
it
doesn't
address
the
repatriation
of
gaming
dollars
from
Quebec,
which
I'm
sure
if
the
OLG
was
following
this
process
along
and
I'm
sure
they
were
understanding
where
they
landed
in
Toronto.
There
was
some
hope
that
Ottawa
would
wind
up
with
an
expansion
of
gaming.
D
That
would
be
good
for
the
olg,
but
that
is
not
what
they're
going
to
wind
up
with
so
I
can't
imagine
that
the
oil
G
is
going
to
be
terribly
happy
about
this
outcome,
not
that
I'm
concerned
about
vol
G's
happiness
I've,
always
been
very
dubious
of
their.
How
they've
managed
this
process
along
and
then
the
second
piece,
of
course,
which
is
what
do
we
say
to
folks
like
mr.
Melnick
or
other
businesses
out
there?
Who
may
not
have
come
forward
to
have
said?
D
We
want
the
opportunity
to
do
something
in
this
city
and
I
think
we
talked
about
economic
development,
a
lot
and
I
think
there's
many
good
things
that
we
do.
But
we
have
a
case
here
where
you
know
we
have
an
individual,
a
businessman
who
came
forward.
Knight
I
always
used
mr.
Melnick
as
a
proxy
for
other
business
interests
that
are
out
there.
Who
are
saying
look
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
something
we
want
to
add.
D
You
know
for
some
purpose,
so
I
think,
irrespective
of
the
direction
of
the
motion
today
and
how
we
move
forward
in
terms
of
gaming
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
cautious
that
we
do
not
and
may
be
overt,
that
we
need
to
send
a
signal
to
business
interests
in
this
city
that
we
are
in
fact
closed
for
business.
That
a
vote
on
this
today
does
not
mean
that
we're
not
interested
in
helping
them
be
economically
viable
and
successful
in
our
community.
That's
in
their
interest.
D
D
I
understand
the
importance
of
the
health
aspect,
but
at
the
same
time,
with
another
hat
on
from
an
economic
development
perspective,
I
think
we
need
to
send
a
very
clear
message
and
an
overture
to
business
that
this
does
not
mean
that
we
are
closed
and
it
does
not
mean
that
we
are
not
interested
in
helping
you
develop
for
your
benefit
for
our
benefit
for
the
benefit
of
our
residents.
Your
businesses
in
the
city
of
Ottawa.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
You
mr.
mayor
I
think
this
counter.
This
council
knows
that
I
have
spoken
on
this
a
number
of
times
but
I'm,
not
speaking
in
favor,
for
any
one
business
I
never
happened
all
the
way
through
this
I've
always
spoken
only
about
the
open
process
that
we
should
be
doing
with
any
business
operation,
any
business
opportunity
that
we
might
have
in
the
city,
and
with
that
sir,
we
started.
E
Somebody
put
one
motion
forward
to
say
we
shouldn't
have
any
casinos
in
Ottawa
I
would
vote
for
it,
but
we've
had
a
mixed
message
here:
we've
mixed
things
up,
because
it's
mixed
up
the
income
for
RCR
and
keeping
it
viable
with
the
proposal.
Call
that
you
put
out
for
the
provinces
asks
us
to
do
and
they
divide
to
provide
a
financial
benefit
which
we
are
doing
at
this
motion
passes
for
any
one
business
over
and
over
others
is
illegal
under
the
Miz
black
and
people
say
well,
the
shots
are
already
there.
E
So
we're
not
doing
that.
But
you
have
to
remember
that
the
slot
operation
was
cancelled.
As
of
March,
it's
no
longer
the
same
as
it
was
before,
or
maybe
when
we
passed
our
first
motion
and
the
province
by
cancelling
that
and
putting
in
a
new
system.
We
are
operating
under
that
new
system
and
if
we
give
a
financial
benefit
to
approach
to
a
business
under
the
new
system,
we
could
face
challenges
under
the
provision
of
the
missile
Act,
which
does
not
permit
municipalities
to
benefit
individual
businesses
and
I.
E
Think
that's
something
that
has
not
been
properly
thought
through
on
this
I've
seen
the
legal
opinion
we
got
and
the
legal
opinion
does
indicate
that
there
is
a
potential
problem
there,
probably
not,
but
it's
as
potential
and
I,
don't
think
if
council
members
have
really
thought
this
one
through
that
way
and
I
think
they
should
they
business.
That
was
just
mentioned
about
whether
sending
a
message
to
the
business
community.
The
message
were
sending
to
the
business
community.
E
I
have
heard
from
many
of
them
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
high
tech
businesses
nothing
to
do
with
this
operation.
They
are
appalled
at
what's
happening.
They
say
you
are
saying
to
business
very
directly,
but
if
we
can
find
a
special
thing
about,
somebody
will
benefit
them
over
anybody
else
and
that's
not
the
way
we
should
be
operating
as
a
council.
It's
not
the
way
that
I
would
like
to
operate.
I
think
you
should
remember
that
we
are
very
dependent
on
technology
indices
in
this
city.
E
Technology
industries,
by
their
very
nature,
can
locate
anywhere
and
I
would
not
like
to
see
that
people
get
upset
over
the
city
and
we
had
a
couple
of
other
incidents
in
the
past
so
that
some
of
these
businesses
say.
Why
should
we
bother
and
I've
heard?
That
said,
because
I
deal
with
the
technology
industries,
all
the
time
I've
heard
it
said
that
what's
happening,
why
would
the
only
high-tech
dia
in
this
city
speak
out
against
the
proposals
say?
It
has
to
be
open
and
fair
right.
E
Why
does
a
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
in
the
West
End,
where
there
are
a
lot
of
Technology
industries,
say
the
same
thing
they
they're
saying
we
want
to
work
with
the
city.
We
wanted
to
be
fair
for
the
businesses
in
this
city
and
when
you
start
making
preferential
treatment
of
one
over
the
other,
because
they
say
that
they're
not
going
to
have
the
money
when
we
know
for
perfectly
well,
the
money
is
coming
in
a
different
format.
E
Then
they
get
very
nervous
about
the
city
and
I
say
to
practice
appointed
that
we've
taken
this
approach.
I
will
be
supporting
the
health
issues
in
here.
If
the
first
one
passes
because
I
think
that's
important
and
that
the
first
motion
passes,
which
is
to
sole-source
at
which
I
will
be
voting
against,
then
I
will
support
the
one
about
the
funding
for
the
roads
and
things
like
that,
because
that's
if
it's
going
to
go
there,
I,
certainly
don't
want
the
city
having
for
tax
bill
to
have
the
services
that
they
would
need
there.
E
But
I
really
am
disappointed
that
this
took
this
particular
change
in
direction
and
then
got
worse
as
we
went
along
and
that
this
council
has
not
been
open
to
really
looking
at
the
long
term
ramifications.
Even
the
motional
says
we
should
do
an
economic
analysis
of
benefit
of
the
racetrack
rather
than
potato.
Why
don't
we
do
it
for
the
benefit
of
having
it
at
this
at
the
Ernst
and
Young
Centre
or
the
or
the
Scotiabank,
Place
or
other
areas?
O
O
This
is
something
that
is
very
unfortunate,
also
there's
a
certain
reality
as
to
the
investments
that
were
made
in
the
Regal
Rideau
Carleton
racetrack,
and
it
has
to
be
recognized,
and
there
was
investments
on
a
part
of
the
city
and
the
private
sector
and
whether
it's
the
right
location
or
not,
it's
still
a
site
that
was
chosen
at
one
point
and
another
thing
that
has
to
be
considered
in
all
of
this
is
access
to
gambling.
I
think
that
Kelsi
Louis
described
it
adequately.
I
think.
O
If
you
want
to
spend
money
playing,
you
can
go
online,
you
can
go
to
the
corner
store,
you
can
play
slot
machines
or
the
bingo.
So
there's
a
lot
of
impact,
but
we
have
to
realize
that
gambling
is
available
everywhere,
so
the
impact
is
already
felt
it.
It's
still
unfortunate,
but
as
a
society
we
are
just
reacting.
O
L
You
remember
some
of
the
downtown
councillors
were
saying
no
to
a
downtown
casino,
and
that
was
clear
because
we
want
to
support
mom-and-pop
shops,
local
businesses,
that
are
in
byward
market
that
are
on
Rideau
street
and
we
didn't
want
to
and
other
areas
we
didn't
want
to
say:
hey
tomorrow,
you're
gonna
have
a
big
casino.
We're
gonna
have
an
entertainment
aspect
to
it,
and
a
restaurant
and
they're
gonna
suck
all
the
energy
from
our
traditional
Main
Street
into
that
facility.
That
was
the
start
of
the
debate
for
the
downtown
councillors.
L
We
said:
wait
a
second
we're
putting
a
lot
of
energy
and
investment
into
our
streets
into
our
local
businesses,
working
through
our
economic
development
branch
working
through
BIA
s
and
we're
seeing
successes,
people
recognize
areas
of
our
city
for
the
mom-and-pop
shop,
for
the
diversity
of
commercial
businesses.
So
today
it's
a
no
it's
in
a
weird
spot,
because
we've
gotten
rid
of
that
issue:
it's
not
downtown!
So
we,
the
downtown
councillors,
have
gotten
our
win
right.
We've
gotten
the
position
where
we
will
not
see
a
downtown
casino.
L
That
said,
you
know:
where
do
we
land
in
terms
of
the
public
health
impacts
we
recognize
their
existing?
Are
they
going
to
grow?
Well,
you
know,
that's
something.
That's
debatable
and
on
the
other
hand,
we
have
to
be.
We
have
to
be
very.
Very
cautious
of
you
know
that
investment.
There
is
a
current
investment
on
that
site
where
there
is
gaming
and
that
needs
to
be
recognized.
Missy.
I
I
Now
that
we
have
a
report
before
us
from
the
Health,
Department
and
I
want
to
commend
the
Department
took
them
several
months
and
a
good
deal
of
work
and
people
had
to
be
pulled
off
by
their
work
in
order
to
join
a
team
to
work
on
this
report,
it's
clear
having
talked
to
40
agencies
and
done
the
research
necessary,
it's
clear
that
we
are
not
solving
or
helping
the
problem,
the
people
with
problems,
so
we
don't
have
the
funding
from
the
Lyne,
which
should
come
from
the
OLG.
It's
a
very
small
amount
of
money.
I
The
741
thousand
that
we
have
given
to
us
is
nowhere
near
the
need.
We
are
seeing
just
the
tip
of
the
iceberg.
Rita
wood,
which
has
the
highest
number
of
addicted
people
in
their
care,
have
seen
no
increase
in
their
funding
since
2007,
and
yet
the
numbers
of
people
have
increased
greatly.
But
it's
obvious
that
we
are
not
providing
the
care,
the
prevention
that
we
should
be
providing.
I
So
you
see
before
you
there's
a
request
for
the
2
million
from
the
province,
which
we
certainly
hope
that
we
will
find
some
improvement
to
the
funding
coming
from
the
province.
There's
also
a
request
from
the
city
for
the
city.
So
there
are
13,000
people
in
the
area
who
have
problems
with
gambling
and
of
that
number.
2000
have
severe
problems
and
there's
only
280
people
who
have
self-reported
who
have
come
forward
to
the
organisations
like
Rita
wood
asking
for
help.
So
it's
the
tip
of
the
iceberg
that
we
see.
I
This
is
a
hidden
problem.
People
are
ashamed,
but
it's
a
terrible
problem.
People
lose
their
housing,
they
lose
their
families
in
extreme
they're.
Trying
to
commit
suicide,
so
I
think
we
all
have
to
take
that
responsibility.
If
we're
going
to
increase
gambling
an
opportunity
in
this
area,
we
need
to
ensure
that
we
can
deal
with
the
people
who
are
badly
affected
by
that
gambling
and
it's
clear.
The
majority
of
residents
can
gamble,
treat
entertainment,
like
any
other
piece
of
entertainment,
go
to
a
movie.
I
The
similar
sort
of
situation,
but
there
is
the
vulnerable
population,
some
of
those
lonely
seniors
some
of
those
young
men
who
think
that
they
are
smart,
I
think
they're
smart
enough
to
beat
the
system
so
they're,
very
current
categories
of
people
who
are
badly
affected
by
gambling
in
our
community.
So
you
have
before
you
today
a
request
to
the
city
for
a
percentage
of
funding
that
comes
as
our
commission
from
the
olg
for
hosting
as
a
host
city.
I
We
are
getting
a
million
dollars
more
as
a
result
of
the
increase
in
gambling
here
and
we're
asking
for
a
small
percentage
of
that
six
point:
five
percent,
which
is
three
hundred
and
fifty
thousand.
That
is
a
small
piece
of
the
money
that
comes
to
the
city
and
along
with
the
provincial
funding,
and
we
certainly
hope
to
greatly
increase
the
provincial
funding
that
will
be
coming.
I
We
need
to
realize
that
the
city
also
has
a
responsibility
that
we
need
to
be
responsible
to
be
able
to
work
with
the
agencies
that
are
working
in
this
field
that
are
so
badly
underfunded.
We
need
to
be
out
doing
much
more
prevention.
We
need
to
be
at
letting
people
know
the
signs
of
addiction
the
early
signs
so
that
they
can
start
to
look
to
try
to
control
their
own
behavior.
None
of
that
is
happening
at
the
moment.
I
It's
just
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
people
who
have
been
so
badly
affected
that
have
come
forward.
So
mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
the
Health
Board
is
asking
that
for
the
2014
budget
that
the
350
be
included
for
debate
at
budget
time,
as
with
any
other
request
that
comes
forward,
that
is
either
number
six
on
the
annex
a
and
so
that
comes
forward
from
the
health
board
to
the
city.
I
Asking
for
your
help
to
assist
us
with
those
people
who
are
badly
affected,
so
I
won't
be
voting
for
number
one,
which
is
an
increase
in
gambling,
because
we
are
not
even
capable
of
having
the
funding
and
the
wherewithal
to
treat
the
people
who
are
already
in
trouble
without
increasing
the
capacity
for
more
gambling
opportunities.
Thank
you
thanks.
J
J
J
Program
and
I
urge
them
to
work
with
Felton
to
improve
the
process
and
currently
insist
I,
do
not
support,
as
I
mentioned,
that
central
the
ego
motion,
because
I
feel
can
be
resolved
to
nolg
process
right
now.
Our
motion
will
not
change
demographics
where
and
when
people
gamble
will
still
go
to
the
Quebec
tuna
got
no
side
will
go
to
Reno
Carlton.
J
J
J
P
You
mr.
mayor,
well,
that
said:
go
the
other
day.
I
asked
for
the
question
be
divided,
because
I
feel
that
the
second
motion
has
a
motion
to
council.
If
we
adopt
the
health
report
we've
adopted.
The
second
motion
I
believe
that
the
health
report
should
go
to
the
province
and
to
OLG
for
guidance.
I
do
not
believe
we
need
to
get
specific
in
the
way
that
the
Ten
Commandments
were
distributed.
That
day.
On
the
other
hand,
we
start
talking
about
picking,
favorites
and
doing
things
like
that.
P
Well,
if,
in
fact,
a
racing
report
comes
out
and
says
that
they're
going
to
be
supportive
of
the
racing
industry,
then
our
our
motivation
for
supporting
our
CR
disappears.
So
the
realities
are
that
we
might
be
back
at
this
in
about
two
months
and
that'll,
be
just
delightful.
I've
enjoyed
this
this
debate
considerably,
not
I,
think
we
have
to
look
at
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
and
frankly,
as
somebody
said
earlier,
this
file
has
been
a
bit
of
a
mess.
In
fact
I
think
is
a
big
mess,
but
that
was
taken.
P
P
Gambling
addiction
treatment,
surprise
day
under
fun,
hospitals,
they
under
fund
all
kinds
of
things,
and
we
can
sit
here
and
well
at
them,
but
that
the
reality
is
that
they
sit
and
try
to
set
priorities
with
what
money
they
have
and
they
set
priorities,
and
that's
what
they're
going
to
do
in
this
case.
In
any
event,
so
I
think
that,
despite
the
rhetoric
that's
going
on
today,
that
we
have
can
overdo
it.
With
this
part,
two
of
the
motion.
Q
You
very
much
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
I.
Do
not
believe
today.
Today
is
a
bad
day
for
business.
I.
Think
if
you
take
a
rather
narrow
view,
that
is
to
say
that
the
the
Senators
can
only
succeed.
If
we
support,
though,
are
their
real
estate
interests
around
the
Scotiabank
or
around
the
Canadian
Tire
Center
I
believe
that
there's
other
opportunities
to
support
the
Sens
and
I
think
we've
shown
a
record
as
a
council
and
as
a
municipality
to
support
senators.
We
are
working
with
them
on
on
a
new
sense
flex.
Q
We
have
a
sense
box
Weston.
We
are
working
with
them
to
attract
major
events.
We
have
had
the
Women's
World
Hockey
in
the
men's
world
hockey
and
we're
working
with
them
very
closely
to
promote
tourism
and
to
make
Ottawa
the
destination
for
every
Canadian
and
as
many
international
visitors
as
possible
in
2017.
So
I
do
not
accept
that
this
is
not
a
business
friendly,
City
I
do
think,
there's
opportunities
for
the
sense
to
diversify
their
their
interests
here
and
we've
seen
from
the
awards.
Q
We've
received
and
we've
also
seen
the
many
many
entrepreneurs
who
have
succeeded
in
our
in
our
community
that
it
is
possible
to
to
succeed
and
we've
got
to
again
a
long
list
of
people
who
have
had
successful
business
opportunities
and,
as
this
council
show
leadership
in
working
with
the
business
community
in
redeveloping
lands
down,
despite
what
was
a
very
difficult
process.
So
for
me,
when
I
was
at
committee,
mr.
mayor,
it
wasn't
so
much
about
the
business
climate.
Q
It
was
more
about
the
sad
state
of
the
economics
of
the
NHL
and
we
live
in
a
in
a
community
that
has
a
smart
small
market
franchise
that
has
to
compete
with
some
very
large
teams,
and
the
onus
is
on
the
NHL
I
think
to
make
that
work
and
we'll
do
what
we
can
with
the
levers
that
we
have
to
help
the
Senators.
But
I
don't
think
it's
to
just
focus
on
the
real
estate
interests
around
the
Canadian
Tire
Center.
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion
today.
I
think
what
we
saw
through
the
process.
Mr.
Q
mayor,
is
the
cracks
starting
to
show
on
a
process
that,
should
we
open
that
bird
or
will
be
very
divisive,
very
disruptive
and
very
destructive
for
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
I.
Think
we've
lived
through
that
with
the
north/south
cancellation.
My
community
was
the
epicenter
in
terms
of
impact
of
that
decision
and
I
would
say.
It
probably
took
five
years
for
the
community
to
start
to
heal
and
for
this
council
to
begin
the
healing
process
to
get
over
it
and
focus
on
some
citywide
priorities.
Q
So
I
don't
want
to
go
back
in
time
and
reopen
what
will
be
a
very
disruptive
process
that
will
Pit
one
part
of
the
city
against
another
part
of
the
city,
because
what's
bad
for
business,
mr.
mayor
is
when
we
have
a
council
that
is
not
focused
that
is
divided
and
that
is
not
working
on
the
number
one
priority
of
the
municipality.
That
is
the
infrastructure
of
this
city.
So
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion
today
again.
I
want
to
keep
that
door
closed
so
that
we
don't
have
a
divided
council.
Q
We
don't
have
a
divided
city,
there's
too
much
much
competition
in
the
world
right
now.
We
need
a
council
that
is
focused
on
the
priorities
of
the
residents
and
I
want
to
see
this
revenue
begin
to
trickle
into
our
city.
So
we
can
deal
with
the
the
the
growth
of
our
schools,
the
pressures
on
our
hospitals
and
the
infrastructure
that
we
we
need
to
maintain
and
to
invest
in.
Thank
you,
sir.
Very.
G
G
We
have
no
recourse
if
our
CR
fails
and
they
have
no
guarantees
that
they
will
or
will
not
allowing
the
addition
of
21
gaming
tables
will
not
ensure
our
see
our
success
on
its
own,
let
alone
be
able
to
compete
against
the
world-class
latinum
in
casino,
which
is
one
of
our
goals
by
adding
a
casino
into
the
city.
If
a
mandate
is
to
compete
with
said
casino
across
the
river,
then
we
must
provide
them
with
a
luxury
of
playing
with
a
full
deck
of
olg
RFP
conditions.
G
Anything
other
than
that
is
a
is
a
casino
in
name
only
which
I
believe
it
was
not
the
intent
of
oil
G.
So
in
reality,
are
they
not
really
getting
a
casino
instead
we're
getting
harness
racing
with
slots
and
a
few
tables?
How
is
that
considered
an
improvement
over
what
we
have
today
having
a
RC
R
as
the
sole
benefactor
in
this
process
successfully
isolates
others
by
going
back
on
the
terms
that
we
had
agreed
to
last
fall,
which
stated
no
limits
on
location
with
an
open
competition.
G
I
continued
it
as
I
said
early
a
continued
support,
Canadian
Tire
Center
as
a
possible
location.
Having
said
that,
I
also
supported
in
fall
about
considering
RC
R
as
part
of
the
process
going
forward
as
a
city.
If
we
are
committed
to
having
a
world-class
entertainment
venue,
then
we
must
the
people
who
know
the
business
to
fairly
compete
for
that
opportunity.
It
must
be
provided
without
limitations.
Beyond
the
Ontario
lottery,
gaming
corporations
prescribed
guidelines.
G
We
need
to
open
the
city
to
city
of
Ottawa
to
business.
We
as
a
city
need
to
be
magnet
for
investment
in
order
to
continue
our
successfully
compete
without
city
with
other
cities
as
being
a
superior
place
to
live,
work
and
play.
It
is
in
our
mandate
to
work
for
the
progression
of
the
city
as
a
whole.
As
a
council
for
this
city,
there
is
a
saying
that
has
its
origin
from
a
logging
industry,
let
the
chips
fall
where
they
may.
G
In
this
casino
debate,
we
as
councillors,
have
lost
our
focus
for
our
end
goal
and
now
we're
worried
about
how
and
where
to
place
those
chips
by
voting
yes
to
our
CR
as
the
preferred
location,
we're
not
making
a
compromise.
Well,
I
think
I'm,
making
a
mistake.
As
a
council,
we
have
lost
focus
on
the
issue,
the
issue
of
a
casino
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
I.
G
N
We
know
that
anecdotally,
at
least
in
a
number
of
instances,
when
you
a
full-blown
casino
to
an
existing
restaurant
bar
area
or
anywhere
near
it,
you
have
sort
of
a
nuclear
bomb
effect
where
you
pretty
much
incinerate
that
entire
industry
around
the
new
casino,
so
without
any
evidence
to
the
contrary,
without
any
evidence
or
market
studies.
That
would
show
that
we
wouldn't
have
that.
Then.
As
far
as
I
was
concerned,
the
downtown
casino
became
a
bad
idea
until
proven
otherwise,
and
it
never
was.
N
The
people
of
Osgood
were
fortunate
during
this
whole
subject
to
have
counselor
Thompson
working
for
them,
because
I
know
he
saw
this
coming.
He
schooled
each
one
of
us
in
the
value
of
of
the
Rideau
Carleton
Raceway
and
slots
he
schooled
each
one
of
us
in
the
value
not
only
to
his
ward
but
across
the
city.
So,
as
the
issue
evolved,
we
had
the
evidence
on
that
part
of
it.
N
I
quickly
came
to
the
view
that
the
best
solution
to
this
problem
that
was
imposed
on
us
from
Queens
Park
was
to
protect
Rideau,
Carleton
Raceway
and
the
thousand
jobs
that
affect
the
thousand
families
and
to
sort
of
pompeii
fi
Rideau
Carleton
keep
it
as
it
is,
and
then
have
a
competition
through
the
rest
of
the
city
for
a
potential
full-blown
casino
in
the
rest
of
the
city.
As
we
went
through
our
different
approaches
to
this,
we
ended
up
with
mr.
Melnick
and
others
coming
to
us
at
the
beginning
of
the
summer.
N
At
the
end
of
the
spring,
saying
hey,
why
don't
you
freeze,
Rideau,
Carleton
and
all
we're
asking
for?
Is
that
you
ask
the
province
for
permission
to
have
a
second
zone
where
you
can
have
a
competition,
citywide,
four-second
or
a
real
full-blown
casino.
We
were
asked
to
do
that.
We
were
told
at
that
time
that
that
was
the
request
and
we
did
it.
Then
we
discovered
that
the
province
simply
would
not
entertain
that
as
an
option.
N
So
in
my
opinion,
the
best
solution
was
taken
off
the
table
and
we
were
left
to
make
a
decision
among
the
rest
and
I
think
the
right
decision
for
Ottawa
the
right
decision
for
respecting
our
rural
members
of
the
city
and
for
respecting
a
significant
rural
institution
and
economic
development
engine
in
the
city
is
to
protect
Rideau
Carleton.
So
it's
not
the
best
decision,
but
it's
the
least
worst
and
the
best
one
available
to
us.
So
I
will
urge
members
of
council
to
support
the
motion.
Thank.
R
Thank
you,
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
well,
mr.
mayor
I
have
sat
at
this
table
and
I've
listened
to
several
with
my
colleagues
talk
about
the
botched
process,
a
very,
very
bad
process.
It's
gone
from
bad
to
worse,
it's
the.
What
was
it
the
the
least
worst
decision
and
I
think
you
know
if
you
have.
If
you
recognize
that
you
have
a
botched
process,
you
have
a
really
bad
process.
R
Then
what
makes
you
think
you're
getting
a
good
solution
from
a
really
bad
process,
and
that
leads
me
to
remind
you
that,
a
year
ago,
in
October,
when
we
started
this,
we
were
told
that
OLG
had
a
gun
to
her
head
that
we
were
in
a
big
hurry
that
we
had
two
weeks
we
had
to
get
on
with
this,
there
was
no
deadline.
Let
me
just
remind
you
today
there
is
no
deadline.
R
Olg
has
not
set
a
deadline
for
us
to
move
forward,
and
not
one
of
us
around
this
table
has
a
mandate
from
our
constituents
to
go
down
the
road
of
more
casinos
for
the
City
of
Ottawa.
None
of
us
campaigned
on
that.
That
was
not
on
our
radar,
so
I
I
would
just
remind
you
all.
There
is
no
much
we
do
not
have
to
make
this
decision
today.
R
I
thought
councillor
Wilkinson
made
a
really
good
point
earlier,
but
it
would
be
very
nice
to
know
what
impact
on
our
CR
with
this
report
that's
coming
out
in
just
a
couple
of
weeks
before
we
make
this
decision.
Frankly,
I
thought,
as
a
member
of
council,
be
very
nice
to
understand
the
economic
impacts
of
gambling
on
our
community
and
and
if
it's
actually
a
net
drain,
as
many
suggested
is
before
we
make
a
decision,
but
we
still
don't
have
that
information
we.
Finally,
thankfully,
to
dr.
levy
and
his
team,
have
the
health
impact.
R
It's
very
clear.
The
more
access
to
this
type
of
facility
that
you
have
the
more
people
end
up
with
addictions.
We
are
preying
on
a
most
vulnerable
citizens
by
going
down
this
road,
so
I
ask
myself:
what's
the
rush?
Why
today,
what
you
might
say,
it's
been
a
whole
year.
Well,
frankly,
the
work
hasn't
been
done
to
take
us
to
a
good
decision
and
we
don't
have
any
compelling
reason
that
we
have
to
decide
today.
So
why
not?
R
Why
not
have
more
of
a
community
conversation
as
many
other
municipalities
did
as
the
City
of
Toronto
did?
They
went
out
and
they
consulted.
We
have
not
even
clearly
articulated
what
our
goal
is
of
going
down
this
road.
Originally
it
was
to
repatriate
dollars
as
I
understood
it
from
across
the
river.
Well,
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
the
goal
today.
Now
it's
to
save
the
horses
from
the
glue
factory
or
to
save
Rideau
Carleton
Raceway.
But
then
again
we
heard
from
mr.
R
lauric
just
two
days
ago
that
they
have
transitional
funding
and
they're,
not
in
jeopardy.
Now
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
the
rush
is
to
make
a
decision
which
I
actually
thinks
a
bad
decision
and
I
fear,
because
this
council
set
out
a
process.
That
said,
we
would
have
a
fair
and
open
and
competitive
process
for
a
casino
one
that
I
didn't
vote
for
so
didn't
agree
with.
But
this
council
made
that
decision.
R
Then
we
do
in
a
boat
face
in
the
middle
of
the
process
and
we
may
be
saving
the
horses
but
losing
putting
in
jeopardy
our
hockey
team
and
I.
Think
if
you
ask
that
question
to
the
residents
of
this
city,
which
would
you
rather
save
horses
or
or
the
Ottawa
Senators
I,
think
you
get
a
different
answer,
so
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
cautious
about
moving
forward
on
this
I.
R
Don't
you
know,
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
around
this
table
that
would
probably
like
to
just
get
this
over
with
get
it
done,
get
it
off
our
plate
and
make
it
go
away.
I
don't
believe
it's
going
to
go
away.
This
is
not
gonna
go
away.
We
have
from
this
Deloitte
just
two
days
ago,
saying
he's
gonna
be
back
here
asking
for
expanded
gaming
at
Rideau,
Carleton
and
I
have
to
tell
you,
as
the
chair
of
the
transit
Commission,
to
have
several
million
visits
to
a
facility.
R
That's
in
a
rural
area
not
served
by
public
transit
at
all,
it
does
doesn't
have
the
servicing
doesn't
have
the
road
access.
Do
we
really
want
to
have
that
in
that
area?
Is
that
the
proper
area
to
put
that
type
of
facility
I
mean
I?
Think
there's
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions,
I
think
when
you
know
at
the
very
beginning
we
said
this
process
has
gone
awry.
Well,
let's
recognize
it's
gone
awry,
that's
recognized!
This
is
not
a
good
decision.
There's
more
work
to
be
done.
R
We
do
need
more
public
input
into
this,
and
let
me
just
finish
by
reminding
you
everybody
that's
come
here
to
speak
to
council
that
did
not
have
a
vested
interest
said
not
to
more
gaming.
They
all
said.
No,
they
don't
believe
the
municipalities
on
their
way
up
should
have
more
gaming.
It's
municipalities
on
their
way
down
that
expand
gaming
as
sort
of
a
last
resort
to
try
and
save
their
municipalities.
That's
not
Ottawa
we're
the
national
capital
of
a
g8
nation
and
I
think
we
can
do
better.
Thank
you.
S
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
chair.
Yes,
this
has
been
a
long
whiny
road.
We
can
all
agree
on
that
and
I
was
part
of
the
group
of
five,
as
Diane
mentioned,
I
voted
against
the
og
process
from
the
outset,
I
found
it
very
rushed.
I
always
had
concerns
and
felt
theology
was
very
shifty
in
many
respects.
I
think
we
learned
a
lot
over
time
and
we
all
had
our
own
individual
reasons
out
of
the
five
of
us
why
we
voted
the
way
we
did
back
then
some
it
was
a
health
issue,
I
think
councillor.
S
Holmes
would
be
very
clear
on
that.
She
has
a
major
concern
with
the
health.
Some
it
was
about
a
downtown
casino.
Were
you
going
to
stick
it
between
the
mission
Shepherd's
that
you
know
we
have
issues
downtown
that
should
be
addressed
and
a
casino
is
not
the
Magic
Bullet
to
any
of
them.
You
see
in
other
cities
like
Toronto,
they
turn
down
50
million
dollar
hosting
fees.
Why?
S
Because,
if
you're
winning
on
one
side,
you're,
possibly
losing
on
the
other,
the
one
thing
I've
heard
time
and
time
again
in
wife,
supported,
read
or
called
and
race
way
from
the
outset
is
because
even
people
that
are
against
gambling
say
leave
it
where
it
is
just
leave
it
where
it
is.
It's
planned,
entertainment.
Yes,
it's
far,
it
means
you
have
to
get
your
current
plan
to
go.
S
There,
you're
not
gonna,
sneak
off
your
lunch
hour
and
spend
your
hard-earned
money
at
the
table
and,
yes,
it
will
be
perceived
as
a
bit
of
a
nanny
state
situation.
You
know
keeping
people
from
spending
their
money
at
casinos,
downtown,
I'm,
okay
with
that
and
and
some
of
the
concepts
that
come
up
that
are
proposed
by
a
councillor
egg.
Why
I
don't
agree
with
all
ten
of
them?
I
think
some
of
them
kind
of
hamper
us
in
some
respects,
they're
just
recommendations
to
the
province,
but
some
of
them
are
great.
S
You
know
six
hours,
shutdown,
time
Wow.
You
can't
gamble
between
3:00
and
9:00
a.m.
I'm
sleeping
at
those
hours.
I.
Think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
It
gives
a
bit
of
a
break
when
you
look
at
the
the
you
have
to
leave
the
gaming
table
to
go
to
the
bank
machine.
Well,
that
doesn't
mean
you're,
leaving
the
building
and
driving
back
to
the
city
to
get
your
cash
to
go
back
to
the
tables
you're,
leaving
your
seat
for
20
feet
to
go
to
the
bank
machine
downstairs.
S
So
a
lot
of
people
that
are
going
on
about
all
we're
going
to
lose
lots
of
revenue
because
of
all
the
health
aspects
tied
into
the
recommendations
that
were
submitting
to
the
province.
I
wouldn't
give
too
much
credence
to
those
those
people
bringing
us
forward.
I
think
we
have
a
good
solution
here.
Leave
it
where
it
is.
It
protects
the
existing
revenue
that
we
couldn't
use
in
the
city
for
things
like
Polly,
snow
and
in
our
streets,
all
those
things
that
protects
that
aspect
of
it.
S
K
K
K
If
I
had
in
my
way
and
I've
said
this
probably
a
hundred
times
if
the
og
can
go
back
to
the
drawing
board,
scrap
the
modernization
plan
and
start
from
scratch,
that
would
be
open
and
fair
I'm
still
then,
hopefully
fostering
something
else
that
maybe
someone
could
do
if
they
could
come
back
CLG
and
say:
let's
go,
let's
go
back
to
the
drawing
board.
Let's,
let's
stop
this
I
mean
it's
hurting
mr.
K
H
Thank
you.
Your
worship
and
I
just
want
to
begin
by
thanking
you,
mr.
mayor,
and
your
staff
and
reader
Carlton
for
their
work.
As
the
ward
councillor
I
certainly
have
been
heavily
evolved
with
with
the
mayor
and
his
staff
and
with
Rideau,
Carleton
and
I
just
want
to
say
publicly
and
before
my
colleagues
it's
been
a
pleasure
to
work.
I
know
we
didn't
always
agree,
but
we
have
been
a
over
able
over
the
past
two
years
to
come
up
with
the
compromises
and
that
have
brought
us
to
this
stage
today.
H
Iii
just
want
to
mention
something.
If,
if
13
years
ago,
the
slots
had
gone
to
the
Palladium
or
whatever
was
called
13
years
ago,
I
wonder
if
the
people
who
are
perhaps
a
little
hard
on
me
for
defending
a
real
Carlton
would
feel
the
same
way
about
not
defending
the
slots
if
they
were
at
I
would
at
in
Kanata,
so
I
think
Gloucester
too
so
I
think
mr.
H
H
H
But
you
know
we
have
probably
a
thousand
people
in
the
south
end
of
the
city
that
work
at
Rideau
Carleton
within
the
slots
and
at
the
track,
and
that
pumps
about
twenty
million
dollars
into
the
local
economy
in
the
south
end
of
the
city
is
lacking
in
business
and
development.
We're
trying
to
enhance
that
and
I
know
the
mayor
of
South
Dundas
is
here
and
a
lot
of
his
residents
work
at
Rideau,
Carleton,
North,
Dundas,
Russel,
Kemp,
Ville
and
in
the
south
end
of
the
city.
H
So
it's
very
important
business
venture
for
us
I
spoke
to
the
deputy
clerk
and
I
have,
as
I
indicated
earlier
over.
Seventy
thousand
petitions
that
have
been
delivered
while
they're
here,
but
I
can't
deliver
them
to
the
deputy
clerk
personally
because
they're
too
heavy
for
me
to
carry
over
to
her.
But
70,000
people
have
said
we
want
Riedl
Carlton
to
stay
as
it
is
and
and
be
enhanced
and
I
think
that
that
is
important,
that
we
that
we
follow
those
those
wishes.
H
So
I
would
just
ask
that
we
support
the
position
of
the
1250
slots.
21
gaming
tables,
oh
I,
think
we
all
with
exceptions
one
or
two
supported
the
zoning
for
that
Rideau
Carleton
may
come
back
in
the
future
and
ask
for
an
expanded
number
of
tables
and
that's
well
within
the
right
and
they'll
have
to
go
through
a
process
in
the
City
Council
and
staff
will
have
to
work
with
them
to
to
support
that
if
they
wish
to
do
that.
So
with
that,
mr.
H
mayor
I
just
want
again
to
thank
to
you
and
your
staff
and
Rita
Carlton
for
the
support
that
they've
given
me
over
the
past
two
years,
they've
been
both
groups
are
very
professional
and
the
way
that
they've
worked
with
myself
and
our
residents
and
I
look
forward
to
the
passage
of
this
and
moving
forward
to
support
the
south
end
of
the
city,
the
Rideau
Carleton
Raceway,
the
province
and
the
city
as
a
whole.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
You
councillor
Thompson,
any
of
these
speakers
on
the
item
just
offer
a
few
comments.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
respectful
comments
today.
This
is
obviously
been
a
long
and
somewhat
divisive
issue
both
around
the
council
table,
as
well
as
in
the
community
itself.
I
also
want
to
thank
many
members
of
council
who
took
the
time
to
come
to
the
fedko
committee
meeting
on
Monday.
A
This
provided
many
members
that
counsel
myself
included
with
an
opportunity
to
debate
the
proposal
to
revert
to
the
Rideau
Carleton
Raceway
as
the
city's
only
location
for
a
gaming
facility
and
I,
don't
want
to
repeat
everything
that
was
said
at
that
committee.
However,
I
do
want
to
emphasize
something
that
which
may
not
have
been
stated
clearly
enough
in
the
last
few
days.
This
is
not
a
popularity
contest
between
the
Rideau
Carleton
Raceway
and
the
Canadian
Tire
Center,
but
we
cannot
have
this
debate
while
pretending
that
we
don't
have
an
existing
facility.
A
An
existing
gaming
facility
in
our
community,
many
residents
across
the
city
have
told
me
and
other
members
of
council
that
we
should
simply
leave
the
slots
where
they
currently
are.
There's
no
such
thing
as
a
consensus
view
on
this
issue.
We
could
spend
another
thousand
hours
debating
this
issue
and
we
would
not
have
greater
agreement.
A
Majority
of
individuals
and
councillors
who
spoke
to
me
on
this
item,
in
fact,
did
not
want
a
casino
in
their
ward.
It
was
very
plain
and
simple,
as
this
item
first
began,
to
take
shape.
I
had
a
number
of
you
come
and
say
you
just
didn't
want
it
in
your
ward,
you
supported
the
Prince
principle
of
having
a
casino
and
I
think.
A
Ultimately,
what
ended
up
happening
was
that
there
was
an
evolution
of
the
proposal
that
we
see
before
us
that
really
started
with
my
resolute
back
in
March
2011
to
simply
add
21
table
games
to
the
existing
facility.
No
Council
has
heard
the
views
from
residents
who
do
or
do
not
want
a
gaming
facility
in
the
West
Stand
and
the
downtown
core
anywhere
near
the
parliamentary
precinct
near
the
market,
in
the
East
End
and
so
on.
A
Now
the
City
of
Ottawa
inherited
the
slots
operation
from
the
then
city
of
Gloucester,
and
it's
been
an
operation
for
the
last
13
years
or
so.
Niz
contributed
significantly
to
our
economy,
particularly
the
rural
economy
and
the
racetrack
you
just
celebrated
its
fiftieth
anniversary,
and
today
we
have
an
opportunity
to
turn
the
page
and
move
forward
and
start
discussing
issues
which
I
think
are
much
more
relevant
and
important
for
our
city.
We
have
a
busy
fall
ahead
of
us.
We've
got
the
budget,
our
final
budget.
A
As
a
council
of
the
transportation
master
plan,
we
have
the
official
plan,
we
have
the
cycling
plan
and
infrastructure
plan.
We've
got
a
lot
on
our
plate,
which
I
believe
are
a
much
greater
interest
to
the
public.
Then,
as
constantly
debating
we're,
a
gaming
facility
should
be
now,
we've
all
received
hundreds
of
emails
and
petitions
and
have
had
countless
conversations.
We've
had
three
public
meetings
on
this
that
we're
well
attended
levels.
We're
hopeful
sit
today's.
O
A
To
move
forward
on
this
issue
and
that's
not
a
bad
thing,
a
diversion
of
opinion
and
and
points
of
view
is
healthy,
but
I'll
be
voting
in
a
manner
consistent
with
the
motion
that
was
unanimously
sent
to
FATCA
on
July
17th
that
we
all
recall
from
that.
We
asked
the
province
whether
we
could
have
two
zones.
A
We
base
that
on
the
fairness
principle
of
Toronto
having
two
zones,
and
we
are
a
much
larger
geographic
area
that
was
relayed
to
us
really
at
the
last
minute
on
Monday
and
we're
told
no
and
the
backup
position
of
the
fallback
position
for
our
council
was
to
go
back
to
the
original
Carleton
motion.
I'll
also
be
supporting
councillor
eggless
friendly
amendment,
which
he
made
to
councillor
Taylor's
motion
at
fedko,
which
sets
out
a
list
of
public
health
recommendations
for
the
industry
to
consider
that
are
aimed
at
addressing
the
serious
issue,
a
problem
gambling.
A
It's
my
understanding
that
Rita,
Cole
and
raceways
indicated
they'll
receive
these
recommendations
in
the
constructive
manner
that
they're
being
made
I'm
under
no
illusions
that
the
olg
is
not
going
to
simply
accept
every
single
one
of
those.
Some
of
them.
Perhaps
will
see
the
light
of
day
and
and
will
make
the
situation
better
for
those
people
who
have
gambling
addictions
and
others
may
be
discarded,
Shepley
them
all
show
me.