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Planning and Housing Committee
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2023
A
Good
morning,
colleagues
Let's,
let's
get
underway,
welcome
to
the
planning
and
housing
committee
meeting.
A
D
A
You
very
much
I
will
just
note
Tim
attorney,
counselor
Tierney
is
expected
to
be
a
little
bit
late
today
and
counselor
kits
for
obvious
reasons,
we'll
be
doing
her
best
to
join
us
through
the
through
the
course
of
the
morning.
So
as
we
go
through
the
agenda,
are
there
any
Declarations
of
Interest?
A
None
confirmation
of
the
minutes
of
the
planning
and
housing
committee
meeting
number
two
Tuesday
January,
31st
2023
are
those
confirmed.
Thank
you
so
today.
The
only
substantive
item
that
we
have
on
the
agenda
is
consideration
of
the
plasma
planning
and
housing
budget.
We
have
a
number
of
delegations
today,
so
we're
going
to
go
with
a
presentation
from
Staff.
First
of
all,
and
then
there
will
be
delegations.
A
E
Okay,
thanks
chair,
so
whereas
year-to-date
temporary
construction
encroachment
permit
data
is
indicating
a
higher
than
anticipated
permit
issuance
and
whereas
staff
believe,
based
on
previous
years
and
the
strength
of
the
state
of
the
construction
industry,
that
this
account
will
have
a
year-end
Surplus
and
whereas
Council
approved
the
waiver
of
patio
fees
due
to
covid-19
in
2020,
2021
and
2022.
And
whereas
a
phased
in
approach
to
reinstating
patio
fees
would
mitigate
the
cost
to
businesses
in
light
of
rising
material
and
wage
costs
and
continued
economic
instability,
particularly
in
the
downtown
core.
E
And
whereas
applying
a
50
reduction
for
2023
would
allow
for
an
appropriate
phase-in
to
fully
reinstated
fees
in
2024.
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
monthly
that
this
summer
monthly
patio
rate,
the
winter
monthly
patio
rate
and
the
cafe
seating
per
annum
fee
be
reduced
by
50
percent
for
a
net
budget
impact
of
135
000
and
therefore
be
further
resolved
that
the
temporary
encroachment
Revenue
projection
be
increased
by
135
thousand
dollars.
A
Thank
you
very
much
so
that
motion
is
essentially
Revenue
neutral
within
its
own
budgets,
and
so
we
won't
have
to
find
an
offset
for
that
one.
So
we'll
vote
on
that
one
at
the
end,
with
any
other
motions
that
come
forward
so
to
kick
us
off,
then
I
would
ask
Mr
her.
Why
are
you
going
to
be
starting
this
off
don
her
wire?
Take
us
through
the
presentation.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chairs,.
F
Members
of
committee,
as
mentioned
I'm
Don,
herwire
I'm,
the
general
manager
of
planning,
real
estate
and
economic
development,
and
on
my
left
today,
Cyril
Rogers
will
be
presenting
the
draft
2023
planning
and
housing
committee
budget
before
I
turn
it
over
to
Cyril
I
thought
I'd
just
introduced
the
broader
team.
That's
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
committee
members
may
have.
We
also
have
Isabelle
Jasmine
Deputy
Treasurer
from
Finance
online
Donna,
gray,
general
manager
of
community
and
social
services
will
be
is,
is
here
with
her
team.
F
Part
of
her
team
is
Paul
Levine
acting
director
of
Housing
and
Lauren
Reeves,
the
manager
of
affordable
housing.
So
they
are
present
to
support
committee
today
also
present
as
David
Wise,
Economic
Development
and
long-range
planning,
Court,
Curry,
right-of-way,
Heritage
and
Urban
Design
sports.
F
Behind
me,
John
Buck,
building
code
Services
is
online
Derek,
Moody
planning
Services
is
present
and
to
my
right,
Charmaine
4G
from
our
business
support
group,
Gary
Baker
excuse
me
is
online
and
if
there's
any
questions
on
the
development
charge
front
here
he's
here
to
support
so
just
in
terms
of
the
agenda
today,
we
will
be,
as
mentioned,
going
through
the
operating
and
capital
budgets
and,
in
the
end,
recommending
a
budget
to
council
and
just
in
terms
of
the
areas
of
review,
a
quick,
oh
sorry,
to
advance
the
slide.
F
There
they
come
one
more
yeah,
but
just
a
reminder
in
terms
of
the
the
elements
within
the
bread
and
community
services
that
are
part
of
the
budget.
Today
it's
includes
our
right-of-way
Heritage
and
Urban
Design
planning
Services,
which
is
you
know:
the
development
review
function,
long-range
planning,
official
plan,
zoning
Etc
building
code
services
and,
of
course,
affordable
housing.
G
Thank
you
Don
good
morning,
chair
members
of
the
planning
United
committee,
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
an
overview
of
the
the
operating
budget
and
capital
budget.
As
Don
just
highlighted,
the
various
service
areas
within
this
committee's
budget
is
outlined
above
overall.
The
the
net
requirement
for
planning
and
housing
committee
budget
is
increasing
by
10.9
million
dollars,
which
is
a
1.3
million
dollar
increase
over
the
2022
budget
across
the
various
service
areas.
You'll
see
that
the
right-of-way
Heritage
and
Urban
Design
is
seeing
a
reduction
of
410
000.
G
That
is
basically
there
is
the
incremental
cost
associated
with
cost
of
living,
Collective
agreements
to
incremental
benefits
and
inflationary
pressures,
but
it's
offset
with
incremental
revenues
from
the
use
fees
across
that
service
area
for
planning,
Services,
very
similar
type
reasoning
behind
the
reduction
of
50
000.
When
you
compare
the
year-over-year
change
in
budget,
so
the
incremental
costs
associated
with
cost
of
living
adjustments,
inflationary
pressures
Etc
are
offset
with
the
incremental
revenue
for
this
service
area
building
coal
Services.
G
It
shows
zero
and
the
reason
behind
that
building
code
Services
have
a
different
structure,
so
they're
actually
funded
from
the
building
code.
Services
Reserves,
so
their
net
requirement
year
over
year,
is
contributed
to
your
or
taken
from
the
reserve
to
show
that
Net
Zero
change
year
over
year
on
the
affordable
housing
side.
This
is
the
operating
component,
so
that
is
showing
the
increase
of
1.5
compared
to
2022
and
that's
really
driven
from
the
the
housing
long-range
financial
plan
in
that
plan.
G
There's
a
commitment
to
grow
our
base
year
over
year
by
a
million
dollars
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
there's
additional
funding,
which
also
includes
an
additional
FTE
to
support,
affordable
housing
on
the
long-range
financial
planning
side.
The
235
000
increase
year
over
year
is
reflective
of
the
the
change
in
terms
of
the
again
the
cost
of
living
in
inflationary
pressures,
and
there
is
some
one-time
funding
in
there
for
a
employment
survey
that
will
be
planned
to
be
taking
place
in
2023.
G
next
slide.
Please,
the
capital
budget
for
this
committee
is
is
20.1
million
dollars
for
2023.
the
two
main
components
there
again
is
the
Housing
Services
contribution
of
15
million.
Again
this
aligns
to
the
the
long-range
financial
plan
for
housing.
So
that's
that
continuation
of
that
plan
and
the
other
big
ticket
item
would
be
the
in
the
Planning
and
Development
Area,
the
4.5
million
dollars.
That
investment
is
the
continued
investment
in
the
replacement
of
our
map
system,
which
is
being
replaced
by
the
Land
Management
System.
G
Moving
to
the
next
slide
in
terms
of
funding
the
overall
funding
for
this
program
is
53
or
10.5
is
funded
from
our
capital,
reserve
programs
or
sources.
We
do
have
3.6
million
or
18
from
a
debt
perspective.
There
is
development
charges
of
1.5
and
then
the
4.5
million
dollar
Revenue
Source.
That's
the
4.5
million
that
I
spoke
to
on
the
previous
slide.
G
That's
funding
that
Land
Management
System
and
that's
being
funded
from
the
various
fees
within
within
this
portfolio
next
slide,
so
that
it's
kind
of
a
short
presentation,
but
that's
the
the
end
of
the
presentation.
A
Thank
you
very
much
to
staff.
For
that,
so
I
know.
Councilor
low
you've
got
your
hand
up.
We
were
going
to
move
into
delegations,
but
was
there
a
point
of
clarification,
yeah.
D
G
H
Clarification
clarification
just
on
I
think
it
was
slide.
Three,
the
affordable
housing
budget,
it
just
it
showed
the
same
amount
for
2022
and
2023,
yet
a
1.5
million
dollar
increase
and
so
I
don't
know
if
you
can
go
back
to
that
slide.
But
it's
just
confused
by
that.
G
G
Yeah,
let's
be
catching
me
off
correct,
so
what
you're?
What
you're
seeing
here
is
the
the
2023
expenses
is
in
the
column
to
use
at
9.2.
So
that's
the
total
we're
not
showing
the
change
over.
We
don't
show
a
2022
in
this.
This
chart
here,
like
the
20
you're,
comparing
the
2023
expense
is
9.2,
that's
the
2023.,
so
we
don't
show
the
2022
column
before
that.
Okay,
thank
you.
The
the
net
change
is,
you
can
reference
in
a
detailed
book?
Okay,
thank.
A
You
very
much
so
we'll
we'll
turn
now
to
delegations.
We
have
one
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight
eight
or
nine
people
who
have
registered
to
speak
today.
First
I'm
gonna
ask
Mike
Bilt
house
with
the
Ottawa
Community
Land
Trust
and
then
Katie
you'll
be
next
after
Mike.
A
Good
morning,
Mike
you've
got
five
minutes
to
address
the
committee
thanks
for
being
here.
C
Thanks
so
much
good
morning,
everyone
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
about
our
cdu's
23
budget,
pleased
to
share
a
few
remarks
and
Reflections
on
behalf
of
the
Ottawa
Community
Land
Trust
I've
had
the
great
pleasure
of
meeting
with
many
of
you,
both
counselors
and
staff,
to
to
introduce
who
we
are,
but
just
to
recap
we're
an
incorporated
non-profit,
a
social
Enterprise,
pursuing
innovative
ways
of
trying
to
preserve
housing,
affordability,
In,
the
City
by
actually
acquiring
market-based,
affordable
housing
and
leasing
this
to
non-profits
in
our
city.
C
You
know
we're
steering
down
a
shrinking
supply
of
affordable
housing
and
it's
our
mandate
to
try
to,
as
starts
with
home
campaign,
identify
as
we're
trying
to
stop
the
loss,
and
so
I
want
to
share
a
little
bit
about
how
we
want
to
do
that
and
how
the
city
of
Ottawa
through
this
budget,
but
also
future
budgets,
can
participate
in
that
you've
likely
heard
that
across
Canada
and
here
in
Ottawa
as
well,
we're
losing
more
affordable
housing
than
we
are
building
it
and
that
is
naturally
occurring.
Affordable
housing
is
being
lost
through.
C
You
know
Renovations
and
Renovations,
but
also
just
increases
in
rent.
So
last
year,
in
the
city
of
Ottawa,
for
example,
a
unit
that
flipped
from
110
to
another,
the
average
rent
went
up
about
18
for
units
where
tenants
stayed
in
place.
The
increases
were
only
two
or
three
percent,
so
we're
trying
to
you
know,
acquire
a
rental
housing
and
turn
it
over
to
non-profits
and
hold
it
in
trust
so
that
those
rents
are
not
going
to
increase
as
much.
So.
How
do
we
want
to
do
this?
C
You
know
we're
working
on
a
couple
strategies
and
I
want
to
share
those
to
invite
the
city
to
participate.
Broadly
speaking,
we
aim
to
leverage
Community
impact
investment
to
secure
loans
that
would
be
needed
for
Acquisitions.
We
know
this
is
possible
because
we
see
it
happening
across
the
country.
We've
seen
the
park
deal,
Neighborhood,
Land,
Trust,
leverage,
investment
to
secure
mortgage
financing
and
then
repay
initial
initial
Equity
investors
over
time.
C
We
could,
then
you
know,
recycle
that
Capital
into
a
subsequent
acquisition,
or
you
know
and
I'll
talk
about
how
the
city
could
help
pay.
Some
you
know
support
paying
out
some
of
those
initial
Equity
investors
so
that
we
could
establish
a
revolving
Loan
Fund
to
purchase
again,
and
our
goal
is,
to
you
know,
preserve
some
of
these
affordable
units
that
are
at
risk
of
being
lost,
enter
into
lease
agreements
with
non-profits
to
help
boost
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
in
that
way.
So
how
could
the
the
city
participate
in
this?
C
We
know
that
the
15
million
that
the
city
has
allocated
for
new
capital
is
critical
and
we
don't
want
to
cut
into
that.
In
fact
that
needs
to
grow.
C
We
know
that
because
of
inflation
and
Rising
interest
rates
and
debt
service
costs,
15
million
today
is
not
what
it
was
even
a
few
years
ago,
but
we'd
like
to
see
it
supplemented
with
a
kind
of
acquisition
component-
and
this
could
you
know,
enable
the
city
of
Ottawa
to
purchase
and
transfer
properties
to
non-profits,
but
it
could
also
be
done
in
such
a
way
to
you
know,
make
funding
available
for
non-profits
or
the
Community
Land
Trust
to
actually
acquire
properties
when
they're
on
the
market.
C
In
those
situations,
but
we
can
learn
from
programs
like
the
multi-unit
residential
acquisition
program
that
the
city
of
Toronto
established
in
2019
or
2021,
and
in
fact
it
was
at
a
meeting
of
their
planning
and
housing
committee
and,
in
you
know,
conversations
with
City
staff
that
were
really
pursuing
some
Innovative
approaches
that
their
program,
mura,
the
multi-unit
resident
acquisition
program,
was
born,
and
so
you
know
we'd
love
to
see
that
in
fact,
last
year
alone,
in
Toronto
using
that
envelope,
which
is
only
10
million
a
year,
they
were
able
to
support
the
acquisition
of
six
properties
between
6
and
36
units.
C
Each
and
those
are
now
you
know
within
the
hands
of
non-profits
or
Community
Land
Trust
and
will
be
part
of
their
affordable
housing
for
years
to
come,
and
you
know
if
we
can
actually
purchase
even
median
Market
rental
properties
today
by
holding
those
in
trust
and
by
holding
those
with
non-profits
within
10
years.
Those
rents
are
going
to
be
far
more
affordable
than
if
those
properties
were
transferred
in
a
sort
of
financially
aggressive
kind
of
way.
So
the
city
could
could
help
in
you
know,
providing
support
to
pay
out
early
investors.
C
The
city
could
also
offer
short-term
loans
to
help
us.
You
know
manage
those
transactions
on
a
quicker
basis.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
about
simply
grants
or
contributions
and,
of
course,
we
know
and
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
about
land
and
you
know
I
think
we're
seeing
cities
across
North
America,
increasingly
recognizing
that
land
is
a
public
good
and
transferring
that
to
non-profits
or
Community.
Land
trusts
can
make
affordable
housing
increase
that
much
faster.
In
fact,
there's
legislation
right
now
in
front
of
New
York
City.
C
That
would
actually
require
the
city
to
prioritize
non-profits
or
Community
UAM
trusts
when
disposing
a
public
land,
so
I'll
pause
there.
There's
lots
more
in
the
brief
that
we
had
shared
with
you
happy
to
share
more
data
or
answer
questions.
We
know
that
you
have
the
vision
that
we
share
together
of
ensuring
everyone
has
a
home,
and
we
just
want
to.
You
know,
play
with
some
Innovative
approaches
to
help
advance
that.
So
thanks
very
much
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you
very
much
Mike.
So
first
up
I
see
councilor
troster.
J
Thank
you,
and
thanks
for
your
presentation,
Mike
it's
nice
to
see
you
I'd
really
like
for
you
to
expand
on
the
idea.
J
So
you
know
the
city
of
Ottawa
what
what
a
Land
Trust
might
offer,
as
you
say,
is
this
opportunity
to
allow
the
non-profit
sector
to
become
a
bigger
leader,
a
bigger
actor
in
The
acquisition
and
and
Lease
holding
of
non-profit
property,
and
then
you
ask
about
land
transfers
and
I
I
think
that
inherently
sometimes
cities
might
have
a
risk
assessment
of
these
actions
that
would
prevent
them
from
giving
over
land
or
giving
over
control
or
influence
of
affordable
housing
to
anyone
else.
J
Right
I
mean
if
there
is
a
shift
here,
a
transfer
of
risk.
Could
you
help
expand
on
what
the
opportunities
are
for
transferring
risk
for
the
city
so
that
we
know
what
we're
getting
in
return?
What
kinds
of
administrative
responsibilities
would
we
be
transferring
to
a
land
trust?
What
kind
of
you
know
organization
or
coalescing
responsibilities
would
be
transferring
to
the
land,
trust
that
would
help
us
understand
the
trade-offs
of
that
risk.
C
I
think
that
you
know
to
start
I
would
say
that
the
transfer
of
land
provides
perhaps
in
this
particular
economic
climate,
a
more
affordable
way
for
the
city,
so
to
start
a
more
affordable
way
for
the
city
to
help
grow
and
expand
its
ambition
and
our
Collective
ambition
around
the
development
of
affordable
housing.
C
C
You
know
the
land
trust
would
have
the
capacity
or
or
non-profits
we'd
have
the
capacity
to
engage
with
Community
hold
that
land
and
ensure
that
the
value
that
that
land
always
had
as
a
public
good
continues
to
serve
the
public
by
a
and
and
we
can
talk
about
the
development
process,
but
the
development
and
provision
of
affordable
housing
and
B.
You
know
we
know
that
that
provision
would
help
reduce
other
kinds
of
expenditures
in
meeting
social
need
and
ensuring
the
well-being
of
those
populations.
C
C
So
even
if
there
was
an
inability
on
day,
one
or
day
two
to
bring
together
the
resources
to
develop
that
property,
the
land
trust
would
actually
have
the
ability
to
hold
that
take
the
time,
that's
necessary
to
work
with
non-profits
or
others
and
and
flesh
out
with
the
development
concepts.
For
that
particular
property
would
be
so
I
think
that
you
know
it's.
C
It's
allowing
the
city
to
achieve
an
early
kind
of
win
without
risking
a
long-term
change
in
political
aspirations
or
political
will,
because
the
land
trust
and
it's
protected
by
nature
of
who
we
are
in
our
Constitution
and
our
bylaws.
C
You
know
that's
a
protected
investment
that
would
be
actually
transferred
over
and
and
you'll
see
and
there's
research
coming
that
the
alliance
and
others
have
been
putting
together.
That
shows
that
you
know
and
I
think
we
all
know
that
by
you
know,
making
land
available
either
either
as
a
direct
transfer,
I
have
no
cost
or
a
low
cost
or
even
and
I
think
you
know.
99-Year
leases
also
allow
for
this.
C
That
that
reduces
the
development
cost
by
you
know
25,
20,
25,
and
so
again
it
would
help
it
would
be
another
tool,
I
think,
to
kind
of
enable
the
development
of
affordable
and
perhaps
even
deeply
affordable.
If
we
can
stack
other
programs
on
top
of
deeply
affordable
housing.
J
Thank
you
for
that
and
I
wonder
as
a
follow-up
Please
Mr
chair.
If
you
can
describe
for
us
what
what
does
the
land
trust
achieve,
given
that
we
have
a
crown
corporation,
that
also
provides
affordable
housing
and
we
may
think
you
know-
or
we
may
presume,
that
we're
doing
all
of
our
best
work
through
Ottawa
Community
Housing
and
they
do
fabulous
work.
J
But
what
are
the
benefits
to
ensuring
that
we
have
strong,
multiple,
strong,
non-hop,
non-profit
housing
providers,
because
that
is
essentially
what
you're
working
to
support
is
a
lot
of
these
smaller
actors
that
might
have
a
variable
level
or
or
consistent
governance.
Let's
say
you
know
when
I
think
about
cooperatives.
You
know
you've
got
a
lot
of
boards
that
have
you
know
varying
experiences
in
governing.
Then
you've
got
just
some
smaller
housing
providers
like
gignol.
That
provides.
J
You
know
a
really
specific
cultural
supports,
for
you
know
persons
who
identify
as
indigenous
First
Nations,
metis
and
Inuits.
So
what?
What
is
the
benefit
that
Ottawa,
Community
Land
Trust
offers
those
small
non-profits
that
were
that
would
complement
the
work
that
Ottawa
Community
Housing
is
doing.
C
It's
a
great
it's
a
great
question
and
I
think
Auto.
Community
housing
is
such
a
critical
player
in
in
our
community
and
and
and
I'm
so
grateful
for
the
the
scaling
that
they've
been
able
to
do
and
that
they
will
continue
to
do
in
their
development
projects.
I
think
that
you
know
the
Community
Land
Trust
offers
a
way
to
concentrate
some
development
expertise
within
a
community-based
organization
that
would
allow
some
in
particular
some
smaller
non-profits
that
are
serving
various
populations.
I
mean
you
mentioned
indigenous.
C
It
could
be
newcomer
populations,
it
could
be
young
people,
you
know
various
populations,
these
organizations
might
not
have
capacity
or
experience
to
acquire
land
or
housing
or
develop
housing,
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
our
model
would
be
to
partner
from
the
beginning,
with
those
smaller
non-profits
removing
from
them.
C
So
it
allows
I
think
for
those
organizations
to
maintain
the
the
I'll
say
that
you
know
the
culture
of
that
organization
and
offering
the
housing
to
their
populations
I,
think
and
and
by
doing
that,
you
know,
I
think
the
relationship
then
allows
for
the
the
independence
of
those
organizations,
while
also
allowing
something
like
the
Ottawa
Community
Land
Trust,
to
develop
some
scale
so
that
we
can
start
to
cross
subsidize
projects,
not
just
development
but
also
Acquisitions,
because
I
think
that
acquisition
piece
is
really
important.
C
So
I
think
that's.
You
know,
I
think
about
some
of
the
unique
value
I
think
I
would
just
maybe
End
by
by
saying
you
know
we
are
really
we're
really
working
with
the
auto
Community
Foundation
and
others
in
the
city
to
leverage
Community,
investment
and
I.
Think
in
that
way,
you
know
we
can
create
an
entity
that
welcomes
Community
investment,
while
also
potentially
welcoming
public
dollars
or
the
transfer
for
land
in
ways
that
I'm
not
sure
that
other
organizations
have
the
ability
to
do
right.
C
So
we
have
the
flexibility
of
mobilizing
community
and
coalescing
resources
around
an
entity.
So
you
know
our
our
goal
is
to
be
complementary
to
existing
organizations
where
that's
that
I
hope
that
that's
clear
but
are
trying
to
provide
I,
guess
scaled
up
capacity
for
some
of
those
other
organizations.
J
Thank
you
I
think
that's
important
to
note,
as
we
think
about
how
we
invest
and
how
we
support
multiple
partners
that
there
is
actually
a
strength
in
that
kind
of
Mosaic
of
providers
and
that
all
all
the
benefit
to
community
the
benefit
to
the
people
living
in
those
communities
will
be
strengthened
by
that
approach.
So
thank
you
for
your
delegation
today.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you
very
much.
Council
Johnson,
thanks
for
your
patience,
counselor
troster
hi.
A
I
First,
I'll
start
with
an
anecdote
before
I.
Ask
a
question
so,
prior
to
being
elected
and
I'm
still
involved
in
Refugee
settlement
and
support,
work
in
Ottawa
and
I
was
tasked
several
months
ago
with
trying
to
find
housing
for
a
family
of
four
yeah
in
Centertown,
because
the
children,
the
family,
have
been
supplementing
a
home
just
down
the
street.
For
me.
Actually
the
children
were
already
in
school.
They
had
they
had
friends,
they
did
not
want
to
leave
the
neighborhood.
This
was
also
a
family
from
the
2s
lgbtq
community.
I
So
understandably
they
wanted
to
be
close
to
culturally
relevant
Services
I
found
a
unicorn.
You
don't
find
these
very
often
a
home
that
is
owned
by
a
non-profit
provider
in
Ottawa,
a
three
and
a
half
bedroom
home
right
downtown
and
this
family,
who
are
newcomers
they've,
been
in
Canada
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
both
both
women
family
adults
work
full-time,
but
you
know
for
about
twenty
dollars
an
hour.
They
were
able
to
rent
a
three
and
a
half
bedroom
home
for
sixteen
hundred
dollars
a
month.
I
That
is
unheard
of
in
the
city,
so
this
is
not
deeply
affordable.
Housing
rent
geared
to
income
that
you
would
see
in
an
Ottawa
Community
Housing
building.
This
is
the
kind
of
housing
that
get
that
we
call
the
missing
middle
that
allows
families,
often
with
two
income
owners
to
be
able
to
have
a
good
life
in
the
city
and
I
wish
that
this
is
something
I
could
reproduce
over
and
over
and
over
again.
I
Another
story,
I'll
tell
you
is
through
the
hours
and
hours
of
door
knocking
during
the
campaign.
I
frequently
met
people
in
the
same
building,
who
had
a
differential
in
rent
of
a
thousand
dollars
or
more
for
the
exactly
the
same
apartment,
and
the
only
difference
was
that
the
people
with
the
lower
rent
moved
in
a
couple
of
years
ago,
the
people
with
the
higher
rent
moved
in
later,
and
we
have
no
provincial
tenancy
control.
I
So
there's
apps:
not
only
do
we
not
have
rent
control
for
buildings
that
were
built
after
2018
there's,
absolutely
no
regulation
that
prevents
a
landlord
from
jacking
the
rent
to
whatever
level
he
or
she
chooses
between
tenants,
and
so
what
I
heard
over
and
over
and
over
again
was
people
who
either
felt
that
they
couldn't
upsize
or
they
couldn't
downsize
families
that
are
over
housed
seniors,
who
maybe
have
a
home
or
an
apartment.
That's
too
big
for
them,
but
if
they
downsized
it
would
actually
be
a
lot
more
expensive
and
then
also
families.
I
You
know
a
couple
living
in
a
one
bedroom
that
really
wanted
to
have
a
kid.
But
again,
even
just
just
trying
to
get
a
second
bedroom
would
cost
another
thousand
or
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
month.
So
thank
you
for
for
indulging
me,
but
Mike
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
how
an
investment
in
the
community
Land
Trust
might
be
able
to
help
solve
this
problem,
because
I
think
it
downtown
absolutely
and
across
the
city.
C
There's
a
report
from
the
the
Canada
standards
Association
somewhat
of
an
unusual
Source
in
my
mind,
but
that
I
that
I
mentioned
in
in
the
brief
that
we
shared
that
talks
about
you
know
how
Acquisitions
really
don't
form,
there's
no
real
funding,
program
or
program
at
any
level
of
government.
C
You
know
the
BC
Province
dance
is
an
exception
right
now,
and
what
I
mentioned
in
trauma
is
a
bit
of
an
exception,
but
by
and
large
we
have
very
few
Public
Funding
programs
in
Canada
to
support
Acquisitions
and
yet
by
trying
to
capture
some
of
that
naturally
occurring
is
the
language.
That's
used
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing.
C
You
know
by
by
helping
to
acquire
some
of
that
we
can
actually
help
prevent
the
loss
and
the
bleed
of
our
affordable
housing.
What
that
Canada
standards,
Association
report
notes
is
that
you
know
Community.
Land
trusts
have
actually
shown
that
there
are
ways
to
help.
You
know
slow
that
lead,
but
of
course
you
know
they
struggle
with
resources.
As.
D
C
Non-Profits
to
be
able
to
make
those
Acquisitions,
that's
not
just
about
the
land
trust,
so
I
think
that
by
by
bolstering
the
financial
capacity
of
entities
like
the
land,
trust
to
be
able
to
then
engage
as
other
Market
actors.
Would
you
know
when
we
make
an
offer
on
a
property?
That's
listed
at
that
moment,
we're
not
doing
that
with
any.
You
know
public
subsidy.
C
We
would
be
competing
with
any
other,
potentially
interested
Reit
or
pension
fund,
or
other
you
know,
small
investor
that
would
like
to
have
that
property.
So
you
know
I,
think
by
bolstering
the
Community
Land
Trust
we're
both
stream
and
entity
that
can
actually
have
some
capacity,
some
agility
to
be
quick.
You
know
by
setting
up
some
kind
of
a
Loan
Fund,
whether
whether
we
continue
to
do
that
with
the
Community
Foundation
or
others.
C
We
can
be
ready
when
those
properties
are
available.
Then,
of
course
you
know
we
would
have
the
commitment
to.
If
there
are
existing
tenants
within
those
units
we
would
we
would
not
evict.
The
idea
would
be
to
stabilize
those
existing
tenancies
and
if
the
units
were
available
to
ensure
that
they
are
priced
at
a
rent
that
would
be
affordable
it
it.
You
know,
unless
there
is
public
support
those
those
units
would
likely
not
be
deeply
affordable
from
day
one.
C
We
can't
entertain
that
right
now,
but
we
would
ensure
that
the
units
do
not
increase
in
rent
in
a
dramatic
fashion
like
that,
18
or
or
you
know
that
we've
seen
on
other
other
landlords,
so
I
feel
like
I'm,
offering
a
really
wordy
response,
but
I
think
that
essentially,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
participate
in
the
marketplace
in
the
way
that
the
market
is
structured,
they'll
participate
as
an
organization
that
has
the
financial
capacity
to
do
that,
and
we
will
then
mobilize.
C
You
know
whether
it's
the
equity
investors
over
a
very
short
period
of
time.
You
know
we're
working
with
tapestry
Capital
to
establish
a
community
Bond
camp
came
to
to
leverage
more
patient
Capital.
You
know
we
want
to
put
some
of
those
mechanisms
in
place,
but
in
order
so
that
we
can
participate
in
the
market.
That's
that's
really.
Our
goal.
I
Thank
you
so
much
I
I
will
just
also
note
that
another
opportunity
for
acquisition
that
I
think
is
quite
urgent
is
around
rooming
houses,
specifically
in
Center
town
I
have
a
case
right
now,
where,
where
there's
a
really
terrible
conditions
in
a
particular
rooming
house
where
bylaw
is
very
sure,
you
know,
we
might
end
up
in
a
situation
where,
where
the
license
is
removed,
but
the
problem
is
even
those
those
conditions
are
absolutely
terrible.
I
If
that
housing
is
removed
from
the
market,
there
will
be
11
to
13
individuals,
instantly
made
homeless,
and
so
I
know
that
our
community
services
department,
our
housing
department,
have
had
conversations
in
the
years
over
rooming
houses,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
to
that
committee's
radar,
because
it's
certainly
to
this
community's
radar,
because
it's
certainly
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
talk
about.
My
last
question
to
you.
Mike
is
so
I
understand,
you're,
not
making
a
specific
Financial
ask
for
this
budget.
C
Thanks
so
much
yeah
I
think
I
I
think
that
you
know
a
complimentary
envelope
that
would
support
Acquisitions.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
you
know
what
we're
bringing
to
the
table
Community
investment
and
we're
doing
as
much
as
we
can,
but
we
can
go
deeper.
We
we
can
go
wider
in
terms
of
more
Acquisitions
and
we
can
achieve
a
deeper
level
of
affordability,
with
City
support
for
those
Acquisitions.
So
that
could
come
in
the
form
of
Grants.
C
It
could
come
in
the
form
of
short-term
loans
to
help
us
acquire
it
could
come
in
the
form
of
forgivable
loans
or
a
big
time
in
the
form
of
land
which
we
mentioned
so
I.
Think
that
as
we
work
towards
2024,
you
know
I
think
that
and
we're
hearing
it,
whether
it's
Scotiabank
or
others.
C
We
need
to
double
our
ambition
and
so
I
think
we'll
be
looking
for
some
kind
of
a
program
vehicle
that
would
allow
the
city
to
participate
more
easily
in
either
those
short-term
loans
or
a
program
like
that.
C
You
know,
like
Toronto's
Lira
program,
the
multi-unit
residential
acquisition
program,
we're
working
out
what
those
amounts
would
be,
but
I
think
that
and
and
we're
having
great
conversations
with
City
staff
on
what
that
business
case
would
look
like
and
and
how
many
units
I
think
the
one
maybe
I'll
just
leave
you
with
one
anecdote-
and
that
is
you
know,
the
city
of
Toronto
is
mura.
C
Program
offers
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
an
affordable
unit
and
150
000
to
preserve
a
rooming
house
unit,
and
so
you
know
I
think
that
there's
a
value
of
new
developments,
but
when
we
know
how
much
you
know,
I
think
the
rhi
announcement,
the
other
day
was
about
18
and
a
half
million
that
would
get
40
40
some
odd
units.
You
know
the
the
capital
amounts
that
are
being
given
for
new
construction
are
considerably
higher
and
the
timelines
considerably
longer
in
achieving
affordable
outcomes.
C
So
I
think
that
you
know
we're
looking
at
a
smaller
ask
per
unit
and
we're
offering
a
vehicle
that
would
be.
That
would
be
quicker,
so
I'll
leave
it.
There.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
Kavanaugh.
K
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
Mike,
a
pleasure
to
see
you
again,
I
appreciate
your
your
coming
today
and
I
know
you
don't
have
the
specific
ass
today
I'm
now
chair
of
Ottawa,
Community,
Housing
and
obviously
we're
the
city
is
Partners.
We
are.
The
city
is
our
shareholder,
the
only
shareholder
for
Ottawa
Community
Housing,
and
when
we
do
things
mostly
on
a
big
scale,
how
do
you
see
what
you're
doing
with
the
land
trust
fitting
in
with
what's
happening
with
Ottawa
Community
Housing.
C
Thanks
so
much
counselor
and
and
again
you
know,
Ottawa
Community
Housing
is
such
an
important
player
in
the
community
and
when
I
think
about
you,
know,
I
think
it's
some
900
odd
units
that
are
currently
under
development
at
some
way
at
some
point
in
the
pipeline,
the
Ottawa,
Community
Housing
is
overseeing
and
that
kind
of
scale,
certainly
the
you
know
the
land
trust
we
don't
have
that
capacity
Nor
today.
Do
we
have
that
aspiration.
C
So
I
think
that
you
know
there's
a
scalar
difference
right
now,
I,
don't
know
and
and
I
think
that
you
know
through
och's
capacity
and
and
the
kind
of
the
scale
of
the
developments
that
are
underway
right
now.
My
understanding
is
that
you
know
Auto.
Community
housing
is
less
I,
don't
know
what
the
right
word
is
less
interested
or
you
know
it's
less
in
their
business
model
to
say,
acquire
that
sixth
unit
walk
up
in
Center
town
or
a
12
unit.
C
You
know
building
in
Daniel
or
someone
else
in
the
city
and
so
I
think
that
there's
there's
there's
you
know,
there's
space
for
two
actors
who
are
playing
someone
different
roles
on
the
idea
of
you
know
if
the
land,
trust
or
other
non-profits
were
to
to
receive
land.
I.
Think
at
this
point
and
and
we've
had
great
conversations
with
OCH,
you
know
Senior
Management
as
well.
C
We
have
a
lot
that
we
can
learn
from
Och
and
I
think
that
OCH
can
share
its
capacity
and
its
expertise
in
development
to
help
to
help
grow.
You
know
whether
it's
a
particular
non-profit
developer
or
the
land
trust
in
its
own
development
project.
So
I
think
that
you
know
I
I,
think
it's
important
that
we
have
a
sector
with
multiple
strong
community-based
organizations
and
I.
Think
it's
also,
you
know,
probably
fair
to
acknowledge
that
that
even
OCH
has
its
own
limitations
and
capacity.
C
You
pay
in
terms
of
you
know:
I,
don't
know
that
any
organization
could
at
one
time
envisage
20
or
30
different
developments
at
the
same
time,
so
I
think
what
we're
also
trying
to
say
is.
You
know
we're
offering
another
path
to
help
the
community
scale
up
its
provision
of
affordable
housing
more
quickly.
So
you
know
we
have
a
lot
to
learn
from
Ottawa,
Community,
Housing
and
I
think
that
we
want
to
walk
the
path
where
we
play
complementary
by
different
roles.
K
Yeah
I
appreciate
that
and
don't
get
me
wrong,
I'm,
not
saying
that
there's
no
room
for
other
players,
because
you
know
we
need
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
and
it
can't
be
all
done
at
once
by
one
organization
it
there
might
be
other
things
that
are
happening
at
the
same
time.
K
Have
you
looked
at
approaching
things
like
faith-based
groups
or
or
clubs
or
others
that
have
land
Holdings?
That
are,
you
know,
they're,
they're,
enrollments
or
populations
are
dwindling?
Is
that
part
of
it
as
well,
because
I
see
those
things
happening
across
the
city
are?
Are
you
specifically
looking
at
government
lands,
or
what
do
you
you
know?
Is
that
part
of
it.
C
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question:
I
think
that
right
now,
I
mean
we're
such
a
young
organization
that
that
you
know
that,
certainly
on
our
radar
and
there's
an
openness
to
that,
I
wouldn't
say
that
we
have
made
any
specific
pitches
or
asks
to
you
know
a
faith-based
organization
or
another
group
that
has
land
or
property
that
they're
looking
to
to
make
available.
You
know,
there's
some
amazing
examples.
C
I
think
earlier
this
week
a
faith-based
Community
in
in
Ottawa
prevented
on
a
project
that
they're
working
on
with
with
a
non-profit
provider
and
I.
Don't
you
know
when
I
get
into
details,
so
I
think
some
of
those
those
relationships
are
happening
and
if
we
can
support
those
and
learn
from
them
at
this
point,
I
think
we
would
I
guess
my
answer
is
absolutely
yes.
C
We
would
love
to
entertain
those
ideas
and
I
think
that,
as
we
grow
out
our
capacity
and
our
model,
we
will
increasingly
seek
out
those
opportunities
as
well.
If
we
can
play
you
know
a
valuable
role
to
help,
especially
as
a
faith
Cooper
in
other
community
realize
it's
it's
aspirations
to
contribute
to
to
affordable
housing
Solutions.
So
you.
C
Yes,
in
the
sense
of
absolutely
open
and
excited
about
those
possibilities.
K
And
capital
are,
are
you
asking?
Are
you
eventually
I
know
you're
not
asking
anything
today
buddy?
Where
are
you
looking
for
the
capital.
C
C
We
are
looking
to
establish
with
the
foundation
a
fund
where
folks
could
make
contributions,
and
we
would
be
absolutely
interested
in
in
growing
that
fund
that
could
provide
a
source
of
capital
that
may
either
be
in
one
of
forgivable
loans
or
outright
contributions,
and
so
that's
I
think
one
space
and
I
think
that
you
know
right
now.
We're
really
looking
to
kind
of
grow.
That
space
I
think
we're
hearing
that
there
is
a
philanthropic
community
in
in
this
city.
C
That
really
wants
to
be
a
bigger
partner
in
in
achieving
solutions
to
affordable
housing.
So
I
think
that's
that's
a
key
space
and
I
think
that's
where
our
focus
is
right
now,
on
sort
of
tapping
into
a
space
that
hasn't
been
leveraged
to
the
same
degree
you're
in
Ottawa
and
down
the
road.
C
You
know,
no
doubt
we
will
we,
we
will
seek
out
capital
in
the
same
spaces
that
nonprofits
are,
but,
but
always
in
collaboration,
I
mean
we
would
never
develop
a
property
for
ourselves
to
manage
it,
but
always
be
in
in
partnership
with
the
non-profit,
and
so
we
would
support
their
their
their
requests
their
seeking
out
without
Capital.
When.
C
Absolutely
thank
you
for
actually
clarifying
that
because
yeah,
absolutely
we
you
know
our
aspiration
would
be
to
establish
lease
arrangements
with
with
both
co-ops
and
non-profit
housing
providers.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
Kevin,
I'm,
Mike
I,
don't
see
any
further
questions
from
members
for
you.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation
today.
Burkholder
Harris
with
the
alliance
and
homelessness
is
with
us
here
in
the
room.
A
Come
on
up
Katie
and
after
Katie,
Valerie
Wright
and
Lynn
Markell
with
the
Council
on
Aging
will
be
following
this
delegation
good
morning.
I
know
you
know
the
rules.
You
have
five
minutes
to
make
a
delegation
to
committee
foreign.
M
As
you
said,
my
name
is
Katie
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
The
Alliance
to
end
homelessness
in
Ottawa,
we
represent
over
70
agencies
and
partners
in
the
housing
and
homelessness
sector
and
we're
all
working
together
to
end
homelessness,
as
is
this
Council
I
want
to
start
by
saying
that
homelessness
is
not
inevitable
and
there
are
solutions
to
this
crisis
across
the
country
and
the
world.
We
have
seen
communities,
reduce
homelessness
and
end
it
altogether.
We
know
that
affordable,
non-profit
housing
is
at
the
core
of
the
solution.
M
You're,
probably
going
to
hear
that
message
a
lot
today.
Mass
homelessness
is
a
relatively
new
phenomenon
in
the
60s
and
70s
Canada
produced
almost
20
000,
affordable
non-profit
units
every
year,
as
funding
decreased
for
this
type
of
housing
stock,
Mass
homelessness,
developed
for
the
past
50
years,
we
have
predominantly
relied
on
the
private
Market
to
resolve
this
housing
crisis.
As
Council
troster
said,
that's,
not
working
housing
has
become
a
commodity.
One
in
five
buyers
in
the
market
is
an
investor
potential.
M
First-Time
home
buyers
are
increasingly
forced
into
the
rental
market,
driving
up
rental
prices
for
all
the
average
Market
rent
in
Ottawa
today
for
a
one-bedroom
apartment
is
two
thousand
dollars.
Clearly,
relying
on
the
private
Market
alone
is
not
going
to
work.
Fallout
from
the
housing
crisis
means
that
as
a
city,
we
spend
30
million
dollars
on
emergency
shelter
costs
every
year.
People
experiencing
homelessness,
who
engage
with
police
cost,
roughly
25
million
dollars
a
year.
We
spend
over
15
million
dollars
a
year
on
keeping
people
in
hotels
because
there
is
not
enough.
Affordable
housing.
M
Ending
the
housing
crisis
in
our
cities
means
that
we
invest
at
least
as
much
money
in
Solutions.
We
do
know
this,
knowing
that
in
the
long
term,
costs
go
down
because
providing
housing
is
far
less
expensive
than
managing
homelessness.
In
order
to
make
our
city
affordable,
the
smartest
capital
investment
we
can
make
is
in
non-profit
housing.
This
simply
means
housing
that
is
set
apart
from
the
private
Market,
where
there
is
no
profit
motive.
It
includes
everything
from
Supportive
Housing
to
co-ops.
M
Rental
costs
are
tied
to
an
individual's
income,
rather
than
average
Market
rents,
ensuring
that
a
household
only
pays
30
percent
of
their
income
on
rent,
while
Market
rents
will
continue
to
escalate.
Non-Profit
housing
provides
affordable
housing
stock
in
perpetuity,
and
that
part
is
key
further.
In
contrast
to
the
call
Simply
for
more
Supply
to
regain
balance
in
the
market,
non-profit
provides
actual
competition
to
the
private
Market,
because
there
are
real,
affordable
options.
M
Increased
private
Supply
will
not
solve
our
housing
crisis
as
long
as
so
much
of
the
market
is
made
up
of
investors
setting
the
terms
with
little
incentive
to
reduce
costs.
We
urge
committee
members
to
act
boldly
and
double
the
capital
expenditure
for
non-profit
housing.
Today
that
was
set
in
2015
from
15
million
to
30
million.
We
know
that
15
million
no
longer
buys
what
it
did
seven
years
ago.
In
real
terms,
the
amount
of
money
for
non-profit
housing
is
going
down.
M
Rather
than
up
this
goal
comes
from
starts
with
home
campaign
we
launch
for
the
municipal
election.
We
set
a
target
of
doubling
the
yearly
number
of
new
non-profit
housing
options
in
the
10-year
plan
from
500
to
1000..
We
propose
this
doing
largely
through
a
non-profit
housing
acquisition
strategy
where
the
city
of
Ottawa
or
a
Community
Land
Trust
purchases,
older
rental
housing,
likely
to
be
demolished
and
turns
it
over
to
non-profits.
There
are
few
things
more
important
to
creating
a
healthy,
vibrant
city
than
affordable
housing.
M
I'm
encouraged
that
16
members
of
this
Council
have
endorsed
in
whole
or
in
part.
That
starts
with
home
campaign.
You
are
in
good
company
with
over
160
endorsing
organizations.
The
broad-based
support
demonstrates
that
non-profit
housing
is
no
longer
thought
of
as
a
social
service
sector
issue
alone,
but
foundational
to
making
our
City
livable
small
business
groups
such
as
the
Board
of
Trade
and
Ottawa
Coalition
of
bias
supported
it,
because
if
you
can't
afford
to
live
here,
you
can't
work
here.
Either.
M
Hospitals
endorsed
it
because
hallway
medicine
is
largely
due
to
people
unable
to
leave
because
they
have
no
affordable
home
to
go
to
seniors
advocacy
groups
endorse
because
there
are
no
affordable
harvesting
options
in
their
neighborhood
as
they
look
to
downsize
and
want
to
age
in
place.
Community
associations
endorse
because
members
increasingly
see
visible
homelessness.
Oh
boy,
one
minute
and
school
boards
endorsed
because
kids
are
going
to
school
hungry
when
parents
have
to
choose
between
rent
and
food
I,
encourage
you
to
think
in
terms
of
an
eight-year
timeline
rather
than
a
four-year
timeline.
M
Given
the
new
faces
around
Council,
most
of
you
will
be
here
in
eight
years.
We
can
get
a
lot
of
housing
built
in
eight
years
in
the
New
Rapid
Housing
Initiative.
Funding
for
Ottawa
announced
this
week
as
well
as
a
rejigging
of
the
National
Housing
strategy
to
Target,
smarter,
non-profit
housing
and
an
increasing
level
of
public
will
is
there
to
tackle
this
housing
crisis
seriously.
M
We
can
do
so
much
better.
We've
seen
better
and
we've
done
better
in
the
past
when
Canada
did
not
have
mass
homelessness.
The
difference
is
that
we
invested
deeply
in
affordable,
non-profit
rental
housing
I
urge
you
to
increase
our
City's
Investments
towards
non-profit
housing.
Also,
it
is
cheaper,
smarter
and
more
compassionate
to
invest
in
making
sure
that
everyone
in
our
community
has
a
home.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
First
up
with
questions
for
you
and
our
number
of
counselors
with
questions.
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
Councilman,
art.
H
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
thanks
for
being
here,
I
wanted
to
ask
a
series
of
questions
around
this
topic.
What
do
you
think
was
the
number
one
priority
in
the
last
municipal
election.
M
H
Yeah
I'd
agree
with
you
and
I
think
the
polling
that
was
done
in
that
election
agreed
agreed
with
that
as
well.
How
many
counselors
do
you
think
of
the
candidates
ran
on
a
priority
of
increasing
this
particular
budget
item.
M
So
we
did
have
16
counselors
endorse
in
part
one
whole
11
counselors,
endorsed
entirely
the
hole,
starts
with
home
platform
and
five
endorsed
partially
and
of
the
comments
from
those
who
endorsed
partially
I.
Think
actually,
if
we
sat
down
at
a
table
and
hashed
it
out,
we
probably
agree
in
whole.
So
I
think
there
is
wide
set
support
and
Beyond
The,
Campaign
I
would
say
this
Council
and
what
I've
heard
and
seen
there
is
widespread
commitment
from
Council
to
see
the
affordable
housing
crisis
dealt.
M
I
wish
I
could
say
why
that's
exactly
the
case.
You
know
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
silver
bullets
but
affordable
housings,
as
close
as
we
can
get
to
one
and
I
say
that,
with
the
caveat
of
it
affects
every
area
of
our
lives.
So
when
you
look
at
other
costs
that
we're
spending
on
crisis
management,
often
related
to
housing,
crisis
and
homelessness,
we
are
significantly
spending
more
on
those
short-term
Solutions
than
we
are
in
long-term
Solutions.
My
gut
would
say
it
just
takes
time
to
build
housing
I.
Get
that
that's.
M
Why
non-profit
acquisition
is
so
critical
that
number
I
think
everyone
has
drilled
into
their
minds
of
one
to
seven
we're
losing
so
much
faster
than
we
can
build,
is
really
critical,
so
I
do
think
that
may
be
part
of
it.
It
is
really
hard
to
see
that
be
a
goal
when
you
don't
necessarily
get
to
see
in
the
next
two
years
or
three
years,
a
result
from
that.
H
So
I
guess
safe
to
say
and
confirm
this
for
me.
I
guess
that
the
budget
around
affordable
housing
for
New,
Capital
dollars
and
builds
wouldn't
be
reflective
of
both
the
public
sentiment
that
we've
seen
nor
the
counselor
sex
sentiment,
nor
the
Electoral
sentiment
of
candidates
who
ran
and
lost
or
ran
in
one
likely,
not
reflective
in
this
budget
of
what
the
city
wants.
Yes,.
M
I
would
agree
with
that
and
I
would
also
add.
Scotiabank
recently
sent
a
report
saying
that
we
need
to
double
our
non-profit
housing
investments.
This
is
a
narrative
that
has
shifted
in
the
last
number
of
years,
because
I
think
as
a
country,
we
recognize
how
serious
this
issue
is.
So
I
would
also
add
that
that
there
is
widespread
support
for
that,
and
all
of
you
have
had
calls
on
a
Friday
afternoon
at
4
pm
from
a
family
ready
to
be
evicted.
M
I
Hi
Katie,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
so
I
you
mentioned
very
briefly
that
it
is
cheaper
to
provide
housing
than
to
allow
homelessness,
to
continue
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
elaborate
on
that
and
tell
us
why.
M
So
I
think
in
general
I
mean
a
key
part
of
this
are
sort
of
two
ends
of
the
spectrum.
Let's
think
of
people
who
have
very
significant
High
needs,
and
then,
let's
think
of
people
who
are
falling
into
the
shelter
system
may
not
be
staying
there
as
long
and
actually
could
probably
self-resolve
we've
seen
a
pretty
significant
chunk.
M
Who
can
do
that
resolve
quite
quickly
kind
of
in
a
two
to
three
week
range,
but
for
people
at
the
high
end
of
the
spectrum
we
are
seeing
them
getting
stuck
and
they
consume
about
20
percent
or
they
are
about
15
to
20
percent
of
the
homeless
population,
but
they
often
use
about
80
percent
of
the
resources,
so
Supportive
Housing
is
desperately
needed
there.
M
When
you
add
in
supports
compared
to
emergency
responses,
it's
a
very
different
story
in
terms
of
cost
I
think
in
the
housing
first
study
it
was
every
ten
dollars,
you
spend
you
save
nine
dollars
and
sixty
cents,
so
it's
pretty
much
cost
neutral.
When
you
start
to
look
at
those
numbers
on
the
other
end
of
the
spectrum,
you
know
any
shelter,
stay
or
somebody's
saying.
M
But
those
runs
in
the
private
Market
are
driving
up
in
part
because
we
don't
have
enough
competition
from
the
non-profit
sector.
So
I
think
that
you
know
you
see
that
spectrum
of
cost
and
as
soon
as
you
are
are
homeless,
I
mean
there's
the
social
cost.
Just
of
the
stress
that
is
on
a
person
experiencing
homelessness
at
its
most
basic
it.
You
know,
increases
Mental,
Health
crisis.
Imagine
a
kid
going
to
school,
who
woke
up
in
a
shelter
that
morning
you're
looking
at
Food
insecurity.
M
It
can
change
the
trajectory
of
someone's
life
and,
when
I
think
about
the
number
of
folks
on
that
lower
end
of
the
spectrum.
They
never
needed
to
get
to
shelter.
If
we
think
about
our
system
as
a
last-minute
system,
we
are
spending
so
much
more
money,
but
they
never
needed
to
hit
the
shelter
system.
We
can
do
so
much
better
on
the
prevention
side
to
alleviate
the
stress
on
our
current
system
as
well.
I
Thank
you
and
I
will
share.
There
are
families
that
live
in
shelters
that
go
to
my
daughter's
school
and
there
are
a
number
of
them
that
had
to
delay
the
start
of
school
by
a
couple
of
weeks,
because
the
school
board
couldn't
figure
out
how
to
get
a
school
bus
to
the
to
the
motel
shelters.
So
I
mean
this
is
a
small
example
of
even
just
the
learning
loss
that
occurs.
I
I
also
wanted
to
share
a
statistic
that
I
thought
was
absolutely
mind-blowing
from
options
by
town
and
that
provides
Supportive
Housing
to
chronically
up,
formerly
chronically
homeless
individuals
in
Ottawa
they
have
a
94
success
rate
in
keeping
formerly
chronically
individuals
housed
after
two
years.
That
is
a
shockingly
successful
statistic,
so
I
want
to
really
encourage
us
to
start
thinking
about
how
we
can
scale
up
those
models,
and
the
other
thing
I'll
just
say
is
that
the
number
one
thing
that
business
owners
in
the
neighborhood
want
to
talk
about
is
ending
homelessness.
I
Every
single
one
of
the
executive
directors
of
the
five
bias
that
I
sit
on
in
Somerset
Ward.
It
is
their
number
one
concern
because
they
are
not
social
workers,
they
are
not
addiction
workers,
they
are
not
homelessness,
Outreach
workers
and
they
are
doing
this
work
because
of
the
individuals
who
they're
dealing
with
in
and
around
their
businesses,
and
so
their
demand
is
also
very
strong
for
a
bigger
investment.
I
just
have
can
I
direct
a
question
to
staff
Mr
chair.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
troster
councilor
Kavanaugh.
K
Thank
you
chair.
Oh
thank
you.
So
much
Kate
for
coming
today.
As
always,
I
appreciate
you're,
reminding
us
of
all
the
things
that
we
we
need
to
do
and
how
important
this
is.
I
think
there's
still
a
lot
a
lack
of
understanding
about
what
affordable
housing
means
and
in
terms
of
deeply
affordable
housing
and
what
cmhc
calls
affordable
housing
and
it
concerns
me.
K
We
work
with
developers
who
are
you
know
they
might
offer
a
couple
of
floors
of
affordable
housing
with
the
cmhc
definition
versus
deeply
affordable
housing,
which
of
course,
OCH
offers,
and
we
want
to
offer
a
lot
more
we're
ready
to
do
it.
So
can
you
talk
about
that.
M
Yeah
I
mean
I.
Think
one
of
the
biggest
missed
opportunities
is
that
three
percent
of
the
National
Housing
strategy
has
actually
gone
towards
deeply
affordable
housing.
The
majority
of
it
has
gone
to
private
sector
developers,
subsidizing
housing
that
was
probably
going
to
get
built
anyways
in
this
market
and
based
on
formulas
that
rely
on
Market,
rent
so
and
I
I.
M
Think
the
frustrating
thing
is
you
know:
upper
levels
of
government
are
setting
these
definitions
of
affordable
housing,
sometimes
conflicting
in
and
of
themselves,
and
then
the
city
has
to
pick
up
the
scraps
and
deal
with
what
that
actually
looks
like
on
the
ground.
So
cmhc
has
set
affordable
as
30
percent
of
someone's
gross
income.
So
that
is
one
definition,
and
then
they
have
a
few
others,
depending
on
what
the
benefit
is.
M
The
one
that
I'm
familiar
with
and
Donna
and
the
housing
staff
may
be
able
to
correct
me
if
I've
got
it
wrong,
but
is
that
affordable
for
a
lot
of
the
programs
that
have
come
out
of
the
federal
government
from
the
National
Housing
strategy?
Affordable
is
80
percent
of
average
Market
rent
and
then
I.
M
Think
of
that
80
percent,
the
household
is
meant
to
pay
30
percent
of
their
income,
there's
math
involved,
which
is
not
my
forte,
but
that's,
that's
my
general
understanding
of
what
it
costs
any
time
that
we
tie
housing
to
average
Market
rent.
We
are
making
a
mistake
and
we
are
rendering
people
into
unaffordable
housing
situations.
M
So
we
know
that
average
Market
rent
is
detached
from
income
completely
if
we
are
paying
two
thousand
dollars
for
a
one
bedroom
apartment.
So
I
think
in
those
definitions
where
we
really
want
to
land
is
at
that
30
percent
of
gross
income.
Imagine
if
everyone
in
this
city
was
paying
30
percent
of
whatever
their
income
is
on
affordable
housing.
They
have
70
percent
of
their
budget
to
live
work
and
play
in
this
city.
That
is
a
significant
game
changer
for
our
local
economy,
for
people's
participation
in
community.
M
It
is
poverty
reduction
in
a
significant
way
overnight.
I'm
never
going
to
advocate
that
we
don't
need
to
increase
wages
and
we
don't
need
to
increase
social
assistance
rates.
But
if
we
only
add
money
where
people
are
dealing
with
the
private
sector-
and
we
don't
beef
up
on
non-profit
options,
we're
not
actually
getting
there
when
we
have
profit
motives
intersecting
with
human
rights,
we
all
lose.
K
Okay,
thank
you.
It's
well
said
I
mean
when
I
see
the
waiting
list
of
12
000
for
for
our
in
our
registry.
It's
absolutely
shocking
and
I
and
I
desperately
want
to
get
it
down,
but
the
the
issue
is
is
large
scale
building
of
of
housing.
It
hasn't
been
a
factor
in
decades
in
absolute
decades
and
we're
trying
to
get
back
we're
trying
to
get
back
into
it.
I
just
want
your
comments
on
on
just
the
importance
of
of
that
yeah.
M
And
and
can
I
add,
maybe
as
a
teaser
we're
going
to
be
bringing
a
report
next
month
on
scaling
up
non-profit
housing
in
Ottawa.
We
know
the
city
does
not
have
boatloads
of
money.
We
recognize
the
fiscal
challenges
you
are
under,
but
you
do
have
land
as
Mike
was
saying,
and
you
do
have
tax
levers
that
you
can
also
be
using
so
we'll
be
presenting
that
I'm
really
excited
to
bring
that
to
counselors
I'll,
be
following
up
with
all
of
your
offices
to
set
up
meetings,
but
there
is
real
opportunity
right
now.
M
It
is
not
the
time
to
be
unambitious.
We
can
do
this
and
I
would
love
to
see
Ottawa
leading
the
pack.
We
also
have
more
government
land,
so
we
really
can
lead
the
pack.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
today.
I
really
appreciate
the
questions
and
thoughtfulness
with
which
you
engage
this
issue.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you.
Councilor
Kavanaugh,
Katie
I
have
a
question.
This
Council
and
this
committee
are
being
asked
we're
under
pressure
to
approve
a
lot
of
new
development
to
really
increase
the
supply.
In
your
view,
is
there
some
level
of
private
market
supply
that
could
be
built?
That
would
be
sufficient
enough
to
create
the
downward
pressure
to
make
a
lot
more
housing
a
lot
more
affordable
to
a
lot
of
people.
M
No
cost
is
what
the
market
will
Bear
right
and
the
market
will
bear
a
ridiculous
amount
of
money
for
rent
right
now,
because
so
much
of
our
housing
market
is
made
up
of
investors
and
of
the
investment
class
within
our
housing
market.
50
are
people
who
own
just
two
properties
right.
This
is
not
only
about
REITs
and
real
estate
investment
trusts.
This
is
actually
about.
M
You
know,
I've
considered
it
like
people
who
say:
okay,
I
have
one
mortgage,
maybe
I
can
leverage
it
probably
to
pay
you
for
the
other
mortgage
I
have,
which
is
I,
think
what
a
lot
of
folks
do,
because
they
also
have
entered
into
mortgages
that
don't
make
sense,
so
I
think
in
that
sense,
unless,
unless
we
see
a
provincial
commitment
to
real
rent
control,
we
cannot
build
enough
private
Supply
to
tackle
the
housing
crisis.
A
I
didn't
want
to
get
leading
with
that
question.
I
appreciate
the
reply.
Thank
you
very
much.
Katie.
Are
there
any
other
questions
from
any
other
members
of
the
committee?
No.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation
today.
As
always
a
great
deal
of
respect
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
so
up
next
and
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
either
Valerie
or
Lynn
Valerie
Valerie
Wright,
with
the
Council
on
Aging
Valerie.
Are
you
in
the
room
on
the
call
I'm.
A
You
are
Valerie,
you
have
five
minutes.
Welcome.
You
have
five
minutes
to
make
a
delegation
to
the
committee.
Oh.
N
Thank
thank
you
so
much
for
giving
us
the
time
to
do
this
today
and
thanks
for
Katie,
because
she
said
a
lot
that
I
don't
have
to
say.
My
name
is
Valerie
Wright
and
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Council
on
Aging,
page
friendly
planning
and
housing
committee.
The
COA
is
a
planning
and
advocacy
organization
that
has
represented
the
voice
of
older
adults
in
Ottawa
for
more
than
40
years.
I
am
an
older
adult
who
just
celebrated
my
70th
birthday,
and
the
conversation
in
my
age
group
usually
goes
like
this.
N
Should
I
go
should
I
stay?
Will
I
be
able
to
stay
in
my
home
as
I
age
remaining
as
independent
as
possible,
or
will
I
move
to
a
condo
or
a
rental
where
I,
like
my
bank,
just
be
a
little
bit
easier?
If
I
move
will
I
be
able
to
easily
access
basic
needs,
we'll
have
the
support
of
an
active
Community
around
me
will
I
be
able
to
afford
it,
and
I
am
one
of
those
over
house
seniors
that
Ariel
spoke
about
earlier.
N
Our
age
friendly
housing
committee
has
some
very
strong
concerns
regarding
the
state
of
availability
of
affordable,
age-friendly
housing
in
Ottawa.
Most
older
adults
want
to
stay
in
their
homes
as
long
as
possible
and
out
of
institutionalized
settings,
there's
a
gap
in
Alabama
of
appropriate
and
deeply
affordable
housing
options
between
living
at
home
and
long-term
care.
N
We
have
two
recommendations:
One
Ottawa
needs
to
increase
the
range
of
age-friendly
housing
options
that
are
both
deeply
affordable
and
accessible,
that
provide
access
to
services
and
that
allow
older
adults
to
age
in
place
and
community
and
number
two
Ottawa
needs
to
encourage
and
invest
in
Innovative
building
models
that
incorporate
age-friendly
design,
encourages
connections
and
relationships
across
a
range
of
Ages
income
levels
and
backgrounds
and
helps
to
meet
the
housing
needs
across
a
person's
life
span.
How
do
we
do
this?
N
The
municipal
budget
must
provide
funding
this
year
to
increase
affordable
housing
to
a
thousand
more
households
and
targeting
at
the
minimum
eighteen
percent
of
this
to
new,
affordable,
renting
house,
well,
housing
for
older
adults.
This
percentage
should
be
increased
annually
so
as
to
reach
25
by
2036..
N
To
achieve
these
goals,
we
have
one
recommendation
that
Capital
expenditures
be
increased
from
15
million
to
30
million
a
year
beginning
this
year
to
help
build
social
housing.
A
home
is
more
than
four
walls,
and
older
adults
in
Ottawa
are
very
diverse.
Demographic
Investments
are
needed
in
Innovative
housing
models
such
as
naturally
occurring
retirement
communities
with
Supportive
Services
programs
marks
for
short
multi-generational
housing,
co-living,
co-ops,
affordable
retirement
and
assisted
living
residences.
We
are
very
pleased
to
say
that
working
with
Teresa
Kavanaugh,
we
are
getting
ottawa's
first
official
Newark
SSP
established
at
Ambleside.
N
Drive
accessibility
is
a
key
factor
to
being
able
to
live
safely
in
one's
home
as
one
ages.
Approval
for
new
builds
should
incorporate
the
principles
of
Universal
Design
and
ensure
20
percent
of
all
retrofit
units
be
accessible,
not
to
mention
how
Innovations
and
Technology
will
make
it
easier
for
older
adults
to
stay
at
home.
Why
ottawa's
over
65
population
will
see
significant
growth
in
the
next
decade
and
expected
to
reach
25
by
2036
2035.
N
current
housing
options
are
financially
difficult
for,
and
Out
Of
Reach
for
many
older
adults
with
low
to
moderate,
fixed
incomes.
That's
under
70
000.
25
of
older
ottawans
are
renters
with
54
percent
of
those
spending
50
percent
of
their
income
on
housing.
The
social
housing
waiting
list
for
available
housing
is
over
twelve
thousand
the
seniors
making
up
over
40
percent
on
this
list.
N
N
As
a
side
note,
the
Council
of
Aging
is
advocating
for
the
creation
of
an
older
adult
advisory
committee
at
City
Hall
to
work
towards
some
of
these
goals.
The
benefits
there
are
many,
but
the
evidence
is
clear.
It
is
more
cost
effective
in
the
long
run
for
the
city
and
better
for
the
health
and
quality
of
older
adults
and
their
families
to
enable
older
people
to
live
in
their
own
Community
as
long
as
possible.
N
In
conclusion,
we'd
like
to
see
an
increase
in
the
capital
budget
to
30
million
a
target
of
18
of
all
new
social
housing
for
older
adults,
investment
investments
in
Innovative,
housing
models
and
incorporation
are
the
principles
of
Universal
Design.
Affordable
housing
is
needed
not
just
for
older
adults,
but
for
households
and
families
of
all
types
and
sizes.
The
decisions
made
will
impact
the
quality
of
life.
My
age
group,
as
we
move
on
to
the
next
stage
of
Our
Lives.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
kind
attention.
A
Sorry,
thank
you
very
much.
I
know
members
have
some
questions
for
you,
starting
with
the
councilor
Kavanaugh.
K
Hi
Valerie
thanks
very
much
for
coming
out
today
very
much
appreciate
it
and
appreciate
your
advocacy
for
seniors.
It's
I
I,
don't
think
people
think
of
seniors
as
being
in
need,
because
you
think
of
baby
boomers
as
doing
well.
But
there,
of
course,
is
a
lot
of
seniors
out
there
that
are
on
fixed
incomes
that
are
quite
low
and
and
I've
seen
it
in
our
Ward.
K
I've,
seen
it
throughout
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
Ottawa
Community
Housing
has
senior
buildings
and
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
accessibility,
because
it's
not
necessary
from
from
what
I've
learned
it's
not
necessarily
fully
accessible,
necessarily
like
for
a
wheelchair,
but
as
people
age.
K
You
need
certain
features
in
in
in
buildings
to
just
to
make
sure
that
they
can
stay
Aging
in
place,
which
is
a
program
by
the
way
that
Ottawa
community
housing
has
which
is
the
equivalent
of
what
we've
talked
about
for
Ambleside,
which
is
the
norak
program,
naturally
occurring
retirement
communities.
So
I
just
want
to
ask
you
a
bit
about
that.
N
I'm,
not
an
expert,
but
there
are
some
features
that
would
make
staying
at
home
much
more
likely
that
a
senior
will
stay
healthy,
such
as
a
walk-in
shower
tubs,
are
very,
very
dangerous
and
get
more
dangerous
as
you
age
and
other
simple
things
like
levers
on
doors
instead
of
knobs
people
with
arthritis,
can't
turn
knobs
kind
of
thing
and
just
lower
cupboards
that
kind
of
thing
it
it's
not
a
costly
item
when
you
incorporate
it
into
new
builds
it's
it's.
These
features
are
not
very
costly.
N
It's
when
you
already
live
in
a
house
and
then
need
to
do.
Renovations
and
accessibility
is
not
just
for
seniors.
There
are
many
many
people
out
there
with
disabilities
who
would
work
much
better
in
a
home
with
accessible
features.
K
N
We
do
too
we're
not
looking
at
us
as
the
sole
group
that
needs
assistance
we're
there.
We
want
affordable
housing
for
everyone,
because
the
society
is
just
so
much
healthier
when
everyone
has
a
safe
place
to
go
home
at
night
rest,
their
head
turn
on
their
TV
and
have
a
good
meal.
Mental
health,
social
health
are
all
determined,
are
all
determined
by
having
a
safe
place
to
live.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Kavanaugh,
councilor
Johnson
has
questions.
J
Hi
Valerie
thanks
for
your
presentation
today,
so
this
might
be
so.
I
am
interested
in
the
concept
of
being
over
housed
because
I
think
when
we
have
over
housing
it's
actually
a
pretty
costly,
and
this
is
where
we
start
blurring
the
lines
between
community
and
Social,
Services
programs
and
and
planning.
But
you
know,
having
over
housing
is
not
being
effective
with
the
resources
that
we
have
to
provide
affordable
housing
right.
J
So
we
see
it
in
our
social
service
or
our
our
community
housing
Provisions,
where
people
are
are
over
housed
and
and
don't
have
anywhere
else
to
go
so
you're
not
going
to
Turf
them
out.
You
know
because
they
don't
have
anywhere
to
go,
but
there
might
be
a
family
of
three
or
whatever
that
are
looking
to
move
in
and
often
this
is
a
a
senior
that's
aged
in
place.
So
can
you
help
clarify?
For
me?
J
I
was
hearing
both
that
you,
you
understand,
that
you
are
over
housed,
but
you
also
might
want
to
have
Aging
in
place
programs
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
the
clear
the
the
ask:
do
you
imagine
the
afford
portable
housing
Capital
increase
to
to
to
be
purpose-built
rental
housing
for
seniors,
so
that
then
you
can
move
out
of
your
homes
and
then
have
Aging
in
place
networks
or
how
do
all
of
these?
These
different
asks
connect
for
me.
N
Well,
I
think
that's
a
very
good
question,
but
it
doesn't
have
a
very
simple
answer:
every
older
person
is
a
unique
individual
that
has
unique
needs
and
that's
why
providing
a
number
of
options
for
older
adults
is
probably
the
best
idea.
N
For
me,
part
of
the
reason
I'm
not
moving
is
because
it's
much
cheaper
for
me
to
stay
at
home,
a
person
whose
income
is
seventy
thousand
dollars
cannot
afford
a
one-bedroom
apartment
in
Ottawa.
That's
that's
kind
of
when
you
see
an
income,
a
senior
on
a
fixed
income
of
40
or
45
000.
They
can't
move,
they
have
to
stay.
Put
so
I
think
some
seniors
would
like
to
move
into
a
building
of
all
seniors.
N
My
preference
would
be
to
move
into
Teresa
Kavanaugh's
Newark,
where
it's
multi-generational
there's
a
variety
of
people
living
in
the
building,
and
there
is
a
significant
number
of
seniors,
but
there's
programs
in
place
that
will
provide
for
my
needs
as
I
age.
So
there
is
a
PSW
or
a
coordinator.
Who
is
there
who
can
meet
some
of
my
needs
and
not
overwhelm
the
health
system,
and
I
have
neighbors
that
have
a
supportive
Community,
because
that's
the
whole
goal
of
a
norc
is
to
provide
a
supportive
community,
so
I
would
move
if
I
knew.
N
I
was
moving
to
a
supportive
community,
but
everybody's
different.
So
I
can't
answer
for
a
single
older
person.
J
Thank
you
for
connecting
that
I'm
trying
to
sort
of
draw
out
the
relationship
between
private
market
and
non-uh
profit
Market
housing,
because
it
is
a
spectrum
and
I
and
I
think
we
are
trying
to
to
get
there
if
I
think
about
our
neighborhoods
and
Valerie
you're.
You
live
in
college
Ward,
so
it's
it's
literally
your
neighborhood.
We
have
these.
J
You
know
three-bedroom
homes,
great
size
where
we
both
have
seniors,
who
are
aging
in
place
because
their
income
doesn't
allow
for
them
to
move
out
to
purpose-built
rental
housing,
and
what
we
also
have
is
a
secondary
dwelling
units
where
we
have.
You
know
three
up
three
down
student
housing,
where
those
students
are
also
trying
to
find
an
affordable
place
to
live,
and
neither
solution
is
actually
meeting
the
needs
of
the
people
that
are
living
in
the
houses.
J
So
without
the
purpose-built
rental
housing
that
is
Affordable
in
nature,
we
will
not
be
able
to
unlock
our
private
Market
housing
for
the
full
potential
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
so.
These
invest
assessments
are
are,
as
as
people
are
articulating,
as
as
I'm
hearing
really
supposed
to
be
imagined
as
part
of
a
private
Market
solution,
they're,
not
disparate.
If
you
don't
invest
in
one,
you
won't
see
relief
in
the
other
and
well,
if
you
don't
invest,
let's
be
directional.
J
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I,
don't
see
any
other
questions
from
committee
members,
so
thank
you
very
much
Valerie
for
the
delegation
we're
going
to
move
on
in
a
moment
to
Alex
Calton
with
the
Federation
of
citizens,
associations
followed
by
some
delegation
from
the
Ottawa
Mission.
A
We
have
four
more
delegations
and
what
I'm
proposing
is
that
when
we're
through
with
those
four
delegations
we'll
take
a
15-minute
break
just
to
refresh
and
then
come
back
and
and
deal
with
the
city
staff,
and
thank
you
very
much
councilor
Johnson
for
bringing
it
back
to
the
budget
issue
at
the
end
of
of
the
last
round
of
questions,
Mr
Cullen
Alex
Cullen
with
the
Federation
of
citizens
Association.
So
you
have
five
minutes
to
address
the
committee.
L
L
We
have
70
Community
groups
who
are
members
of
our
association
and
we're
in
every
Ward,
except
two
in
the
city
of
Ottawa
and
I
can
tell
you
that
we
hold
monthly
meetings
and,
during
my
time
as
president
I'm
now
the
past
president,
one
of
the
issues
that
came
forward
at
our
Open
Mic
sessions
on
a
very
frequent
basis
was
Committee
of
adjustment
you're
dealing
with
community
of
adjustments
budget
today
and
that's
why
I'm
here
to
address
these
issues
I've
been
raised
by
the
community.
L
So
when
these
issues
were
being
raised
by
the
community
about
the
opaqueness
of
the
process,
their
difficulties
in
participating
in
the
process,
we
just
didn't
accept
the
the
complaints
we
actually
held
a
workshop
with
Committee
of
adjustments
and
Michelle
Lamar,
the
Secretary
of
Treasurer.
Was
there
Scott
Handel
one
of
the
panel
members?
Was
there
we
had
a
panel
of
people
from
different
Wards
from
communities
that
participate
in
the
process
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
how
the
system
worked
and
what
best
practices
that
led
to
a
second
Workshop
that
looked
at
okay?
L
How
can
we
make
this
process
work
better
for
everybody
involved?
We
also
participated
in
the
recent
KPMG
operation
review.
Maybe
you'll
hear
from
community
of
adjustment
on
the
outcomes
of
that
operational
review.
We
did
participate
in
that.
We
support
most
of
the
recommendations
that
are
going
forward.
They
haven't
worked
because
of
the
workload
the
additional
workload
of
Committee
of
adjustment
as
more
of
the
city's
growth
goals
are
going
to
be
accommodated
by
intensification.
You
will
hear
from
committee
adjustment
asking
for
resources
to
accommodate
a
fourth
panel
to
deal
with
that
workload.
L
Well,
so
what's
the
issue
with
the
workload
clearly
there's
more
applications
coming
forward,
but
if
people
don't
understand
how
the
process
works,
then
there
are
more
hearings,
more
disputes
and
what
we're
recommending
are
some
simple
measures
that
will
help
make
the
process
more
transparent
and
in
particular,
as
you
know,
the
city.
The
committee
of
adjustment
is
a
city
committee
delegated
by
Council
to
deal
with
minor
variances
consents.
Severances
has
four
tests
under
the
planning
act
to
evaluate
every
application
that
comes
through?
Is
it
consistent
with
the
city's
official
plan?
L
Is
it
consistent
with
the
provision
of
the
zoning
bylaw?
Is
it
good
planning
and
is
it
minor,
so
planning
staff
your
own
City,
Planning
staff,
provide
the
advice
to
Committee
of
adjustment.
Community
adjustment
has
no
planning
staff
of
their
own
and
often
when
the
application
comes
through
two
Committee
of
adjustment.
The
report
from
planning
staff
is
no
objection
that
is
not
helpful
to
the
community.
Here
you
have
an
application
for
Community
adjustments,
something
happening
in
the
community.
You
get
to
go
through
the
file
to
see
the
drawings.
L
You
would
like
to
talk
to
a
city
planner
to
better
understand
what
can
be.
Adjustment
will
deal
with
that's
a
feature
that
should
be
embedded
in
the
process,
but
you
would
also
like
to
understand
what
are
the
four?
What's
the
rationale
from
a
planning
staff
when
they
say
no
objection?
Well,
what
is
the
rationale
under
the
official
plan?
Where's
the
rationale
under
the
zoning
bylaw?
What's
the
rationale
under
good
planning,
the
city
has
infill
guidelines
that
are
supposed
to
be
respective.
So
let's
hear
about
that.
L
So
what
we're
asking
for
is
that
planning
staff
provide
to
both
the
public
and
the
community
of
adjustment,
the
rationale
behind
the
four
tests-
we're
not
asking
for
reams
of
paperwork.
There
are
clearly
budget
implications
here,
but
something
better
than
no
objection.
The
last
thing
I
want
to
touch
on,
and
there
are
other
recommendations
here
is
a
matter
of
appeals.
L
So
Bill
23
now
makes
it
restricts
appeals,
a
community
of
adjustment
decisions
to
the
applicant,
but
the
practice
of
the
city
when
there
is
an
appeal,
is
not
to
appear
in
those
circumstances,
we're
planning
staff,
City,
Planning
staff
have
offered
a
city
position
and
Committee
of
adjustment.
A
city
committee
has
adopted
that
position.
Then
we
believe
the
city
is
obligated
to
defend
that
position
at
a
committee
of
adjustment
hearing
appeal
hearing,
so
that
clearly
has
budget
implications.
We
understand
that
there's
there,
these
implications.
Are
there?
That's?
A
Thank
you
very
much
Alex
and
some
very
legitimate
assertions
of
of
actions
that
can
be
taken.
So
thank
you
for
putting
that
forward
on
behalf
of
the
Federation
and
I
believe
that
Lane
Johnson
has
a
motion
that
she
would
like
to
put
on
the
table
now.
J
Thank
you,
chair
I'd,
like
to
move
a
motion
that
we
refer.
The
FCA
document
guidance
for
the
city's
Committee
of
adjustment
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
and
to
the
city's
planning
real
estate
and
economic
development
department
for
their
review
and
comment
and
to
provide
a
summary
by
the
end
of
2023..
A
Thank
you
very
much
so
that
motion
is
on
the
table.
We
can
debate
that
and
vote
on
it
at
the
end
of
the
staff
component
of
today's
proceedings.
Are
there
any
questions
for
Mr
Cullen
with
respect
to
the
presentation?
That's
been
made,
see
none
Alex.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
and
with
that
I
know
we
have
a
delegation
from
the
Ottawa
Mission,
followed
by
Mary
Stewart
with
cafes
and
I.
Think
alien
is
here.
Aileen
welcome
to
planning
housing
committee.
O
Thank
you,
councilor
leaper,
and
thank
you
everybody
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
feedback
on
the
city
budget
I
just
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we
do
at
the
mission.
In
addition
to
providing
emergency
shelter,
we
also
provide
meals
to
our
shelter
guests
and
vulnerable
people.
Through
our
food
truck
program.
Last
year,
we
provided
over
938
000
meals
across
our
community,
so
that's
almost
one
meal
for
every
person
who
lives
in
this
city.
O
We
also
provide
mental
health
and
addiction,
treatment,
programs,
primary
hospice
and
dental
care,
Housing,
Services,
educational
support,
job
training,
spiritual
care
and
clothing
to
thousands
in
need.
We
are
a
housing,
Focus,
shelter
committed
to
a
home
for
everybody
as
a
human
right.
We
do
place
people
into
housing
on
a
regular
basis
and
we
also
own
three
apartment
buildings
of
our
own
to
place.
People
into
housing
in
2020
city
council
voted
unanimously
to
declare
a
housing
and
homelessness
emergency.
O
We
appreciate
the
support
in
this
budget
for
housing,
including
operating
and
repairing
social
housing,
rent
supplements,
housing
allowances
and
support
for
homelessness
programs
such
as
ours.
Having
said
this,
the
15
million
dollars
for
new,
affordable
housing
in
the
budget
has
not
increased
since
it
was
introduced
in
2019.,
we're
concerned
by
this,
because,
as
we've
discussed
before,
every
one
unit
of
affordable
housing
built
in
Ottawa
seminar
lost
average
rents
have
increased
more
than
14
percent
in
2022,
so
for
smaller
units,
that's
just
over
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
month
and
for
larger
units
such
as
three
bedrooms.
O
It's
almost
twenty
four
hundred
dollars
a
month,
so
there
is
very
little
to
no
affordable
housing
in
Ottawa,
given
the
pandemic,
inflation
and
other
factors,
many
people
are
turning
to
food
banks
and
meal
programs
such
as
ours,
in
order
to
pay
their
rent.
Another
indication
of
the
fact
that
there
is
no
affordable
housing
in
this
town
is
the
fact
that
10
percent
of
people
who
live
in
Emergency,
Shelters,
such
as
ours,
are
working.
O
We
appreciate
and
are
actually
very
grateful
for
the
city
support
of
Ottawa
Community
Housing,
with
whom
we
partner
on
a
regular
basis
to
place
clients
into
permanent
housing
and
also
through
our
food
truck
program
with
stops
at
OCH
buildings.
Having
said
this,
there
are
over
12
000
individuals
on
OCH,
wait
list,
many
of
whom
actually
wait
for
years
and,
lastly,
by
the
city's
own
estimates,
there
are
over
200
people
currently
sleeping
outside.
This
is
an
unsafe
at
any
time,
but
in
the
winter
time
it's
a
public
health
emergency.
O
We
do
understand
that
the
city
is
in
a
very
difficult
position,
adjudicating
competing
needs
and
also
you
don't
have
the
ability
to
run
deficits
and
they're
not
desirable.
In
any
event,
we
know
also
that
you
need
support
from
the
provincial
and
federal
governments
to
meet
the
need
for
housing
as
well.
We
know
that
the
city
pegged
the
15
million
dollar
figure
in
the
repressed,
refreshed
10-year
plan
for
housing
when
it
was
introduced
in
2020,
however,
has
been
mentioned
by
other
speakers.
O
So,
given
that
the
total
City
budget
has
increased
year
over
year
since
2019
and
is
now
more
than
5
billion
dollars,
we
urge
this
committee
and
city
council
to
increase
the
allocation
for
new,
affordable
housing
from
15
to
at
least
20
million
dollars.
If
not
more,
the
poll
mentioned
earlier
by
councilor
Menard,
83
percent
of
people
in
Ottawa
want
new,
affordable
housing
in
this
town
and
they
want
action.
O
Urgent
action
on
homelessness
and
I
know
that
the
4.5
million
dollars
allocated
for
Community
safety,
health
and
well-being
is
not
part
of
your
individual
budget,
and
we
are
grateful
for
this
new
money.
But
given
the
impact
of
the
pandemic,
the
ongoing
homelessness
and
opioid
emergencies,
inflation
and
other
factors,
we
urge
city
councilors
as
a
whole
to
increase
this
funding
allocation
to
reflect
the
new
Need
for
support,
including
new
Supportive
Housing,
and
with
that
I'd,
be
happy
to
answer
any
of
your
questions.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Arlene
first
up
I,
see
councilor
Kavanaugh
has
questions
for
you.
K
Thank
you
very
much
Aileen
and
very
much
appreciate
the
work
that
the
mission
does
and
and
for
everything,
you're
you're,
holding
things
together
and
basically
on
on
what
we
it
is,
what
we
have
been
unable
to
do,
we're
not
making
enough
affordable
housing
I
think
it
should
be
made
clear
that
what
you're
asking
for
is
an
increase
for
affordable
housing,
that's
money
that
does
not
go
to
the
mission.
This
is
money
that
would
take
away
clients
from
the
from
the
mission
so
that
so
less
of
them
are
having
to
use
it.
O
Yes,
as
we
like
to
say
at
the
mission,
we're
happy
to
see
you-
and
we
hope
we
never
see
you
again,
because
nobody
wants
to
end
up
in
a
homeless,
shelter,
homeless,
shelters
and
other
social
programs
exist
because
of
deficits
in
public
programming.
O
So
we
have
homeless
shelters
because
there
is
no
affordable
housing
and
we
also
don't
address
homelessness
before
it
occurs.
So
we
are
at
over
capacity
now
when
the
pandemic
was
was
declared.
We
work
with
the
city
of
Ottawa
to
divert
clients
to
other
shelters,
so
that
was
the
first
time
we
were
at
under
over
capacity
for
the
first
time
in
over
four
years,
and
now
we
are
at
over
capacity.
O
But
you
know
we
routinely
graduate
people
from
our
addiction
and
Trauma
services,
programs
from
other
programs,
and
then
they
end
back
end
up
back
in
the
shelter
because
there's
no
affordable
housing
by
the
city's
own
point
in
time
count
that
was
released
yet
last
year,
10
of
people
who
live
in
affordable.
How
are
in
shelters
are
actually
working.
O
We
released
our
impact
report
last
year.
We
did
it
outside
at
a
press
conference,
because
pandemic
restrictions
were
still
in
place,
so
we
put
up
a
tent
to
afford
covered
seating
for
people
outside
and
the
one
of
the
two
people
who
came
to
put
up
that
tent
said.
Oh
can
I
speak
at
this
event
and
I
looked
at
him
and
I
said
well.
Why
would
you
want
to
do
that?
O
And
he
said
because
I
live
here,
I
can't
afford
an
apartment
so
think
of
that
going
to
work
every
day
and
then
coming
back
to
live
in
America,
an
emergency
shelter
because
there's
no
affordable
housing
for
you.
So
yes,
we
need.
We
desperately
need
new,
affordable
housing.
We
also
need
Supportive
Housing
for
clients
that
have
higher
needs.
I
mean
places
like
options
by
Town
salus
other
supportable.
Housing
providers
do
a
marvelous
job,
but
we
need
more
of
those
spaces
now,
particularly
with
the
severe
impacts
of
the
pandemic.
The
opioid
crisis,
food,
inflation
Etc.
K
O
K
You
and
I
I
love
the
statistic
from
councilor
troster
on
the
success
of
by
Town
options
by
John;
pardon
me,
which
is
very
encouraging.
I
Yes,
when
you
speak
about
the
fact
that
15
million
dollars
this
year
is
not
going
to
buy
you
the
same
as
15
million
dollars
a
few
years
ago,
I'm
also
wondering
if
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
more
to
the
increased
need
since
the
pandemic
that
you've
seen
in
the
community
in
terms
of
Housing
and
homelessness,
I'm,
certainly
hearing
from
residents
and
business
owners
that
the
problem
is
much
more
visible
because
there's
a
lot
more
people
who
don't
have
any
place
to
go
so
I'm
just
interested
in
what
you're.
O
O
Our
food
truck
program
started
in
September
2020,
with
one
truck
and
five
stops
at
various
points
throughout
the
city,
and
now
we
have
two
trucks,
34
stops
and
we
serve
over
7
000
meals
a
week
and
the
fact
that
we
served
just
under
a
million
meals
last
year
is
a
testimony
to
how
many
people
are
hungry
in
this
town
and
how
many
people
have
to
turn
to
food
banks
and
meal
programs,
because
they
have
to
pay
their
rent,
which,
as
I
said,
has
increased
by
over
four
fourteen
percent.
O
We
see
more
and
more
people
coming
to
our
shelter.
We
see
more
and
more
people
who
are
suffering
from
significantly
increased
mental
health
problems.
The
level
of
anxiety
amongst
people
who
are
either
staying
in,
shelters
or
people
who
are
sleeping
outside
has
increased
dramatically.
It's
a
situation
we
deal
with
routinely,
particularly
in
the
summertime,
when
more
and
more
people
are
sleeping
outside
in
terms
of
the
opioid
crisis.
The
I
don't
like
the
word
illicit
drug
Supply,
but
the
drugs
that
people
buy
on
the
street
is
practically
all
poisoned.
O
So
we
deal
with
overdoses
every
single
day
at
the
shelter
it
is
very
disturbing
for
other
clients
and
very
upsetting
for
our
staff.
So
on
all
of
these
indicators,
more
clients
coming
in
for
emergency
housing,
more
clients
suffering
from
mental
health
and
addiction
problems,
more
clients
who
are
hungry
not
only
at
the
shelter
but
all
across
the
city
of
Ottawa.
The
increase
in
need
has
been
substantive
and
dramatic.
So,
yes,
we
have
far
increased
needs
as
a
result
of
the
the
pandemic
and
now
food
inflation.
A
O
A
So
Mary
Stewart
at
cafes,
Europe
next
followed
by
Mary
Huang
and
then
Joseph
ostrovsky,
we'll
round
out
the
delegations
this
morning,
Ms
Dort
welcome
to
planning
and
housing
committee.
We
have
five
minutes
to
make
a
delegation
to
the
committee.
Q
Fantastic
perfect,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
Q
This
is
my
first
public
delegation,
so
I'm
excited
to
be
here,
and
it
was
enlightening
to
hear
from
all
the
other
public
delegations,
so
my
name
is
Mary
Stewart
and
I'm
Cafe's,
climate
and
environment
coordinator
operating
on
unseated,
unstrendered,
Algonquin
and
ishtabe
territory.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Q
Thank
you,
so
I
think
most
of
you
probably
know
cafes
Community
associations
for
environmental
sustainability
was
founded
in
2010
and
is
a
forum
for
representatives
of
community
and
residence
associations
to
meet
exchange
and
engage
with
the
city
of
Ottawa
on
environmental
issues,
and
our
members
include
representatives
from
Urban,
suburban
and
Rural
communities.
You
can
move
to
the
next
slide.
Q
Thank
you
so
today,
I'm
going
to
speak
briefly
to
the
city's
high
performance
development
standard
and
why
it
is
important
that
we
fund
incentives
for
it
to
be
met,
as
it
did
not
receive
mention
in
budget
2023,
and
this
is
a
subject
that
cafes
has
done
much
advocacy
around
in
in
2022.
So,
in
short,
the
idea
behind
Green
Building
standards
is
that
a
stitch
in
time
saves
nine.
We
know
that
it's
much
less
costly
and
more
beneficial
from
an
admissions
perspective
to
build
better
rather
than
to
retrofit
later.
Q
The
budget
includes
some
funds
to
retrofit
a
city
building,
but
we
also
need
to
see
funding
for
Green
Building
standards.
So
how
can
we
ensure
that
we're
building
in
a
way
that's
truly
Net
Zero,
but
also
preserves
the
natural
environment
and
creates
safe
resilient
and
connected
communities?
Next
slide,
please.
Q
So
we
know
that
an
enormous
share
of
ottawa's
emissions
come
from
buildings
having
accounted
for
46
percent
of
City
Community
emissions
in
2020,
incorporating
Energy,
Efficiency
and
Emissions
reductions.
Measures
and
new
building
design
is
essential
for
achieving
the
city's
emissions
reductions.
Target.
Q
The
high
performance
development
standard
is
one
of
the
20
priority
projects
identified
in
energy
Evolution.
Not
only
this,
but
the
standard
will
be
important
to
bolster
climate
resiliency
and,
if
implemented
in
an
ambitious
matter,
will
help
achieve
the
city's
overall
climate
and
environmental
goals,
as
it
includes
considerations
for
electric
vehicle
charging,
waste
diversion
and
solar
panels.
Next
slide,
please.
Q
So
in
April,
2022
city
council
approved
the
high
performance
development.
Standard
cafes
applauds
the
city
for
their
work
on
the
standard,
but
there
remain
holes
in
terms
of
its
application,
notably
recently
with
Bill
23.
This
has
restricted
the
breadth
of
the
buildings
that
the
standard
applies
to
and,
for
this
reason,
it's
important
to
ensure
that
the
standards
can
still
be
met.
As
of
right.
Now
we
don't
see
the
standard
in
budget
2023
and
in
the
engage.
Q
Q
So
if
we
don't
have
sticks,
we
need
to
find
carrots,
so
cafes
urges
the
city
of
Ottawa
to
consider
incentives
to
in
order
to
meet
the
Green
Building
standard
incentives
are
supposedly
under
development
for
tiers
two
and
three,
but
where
is
the
funding
for
them?
Examples
of
incentives
could
include
development.
Trade
rebates,
though
I'm
not
sure
about
this,
with
Bill
23
local
Improvement
charge,
financing,
Community,
Improvement
plan
tax,
increment
rebate,
expedited
reviews
and
Awards.
Q
This
would
make
obvious
sense
for
or
make
sense
for,
the
obvious
implications
for
emissions
reductions
and
environment,
but
also
for
cost
savings
and
affordability.
Many
measures
to
increase
Energy
Efficiency
lead
to
long-term
savings
and
further
many
of
these
measures
are
more
difficult
to
and
costly
to
make
once
a
building
is
constructed,
so
it
makes
sense
to
build
them
into
the
process
from
the
beginning.
Cost
savings
have
implications
for
low-income
folks,
notably
when
we
think
about
the
inability
to
retrofit
one's
dwelling
as
a
renter.
Q
This
is
important,
as
we
know,
we're
in
a
housing
and
affordability
crisis
and
move
to
the
next
slide.
Please
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
one
illustrative
example,
which
was
Karen's
place
in
Ottawa,
a
42
unit
apartment
building
that
provides
Supportive
Housing
to
adults,
living
with
mental
illness
and
concurrent
challenges,
and
was
the
first
affordable
housing
project
to
receive
the
passive
house
standard
in
North
America.
So
the
energy
demand
is
comparable
to
that
of
one
average
single
family
home.
Well,
each
unit
is
projected
to
only
cost
about
thirty
dollars
a
year
to
heat
and
cool.
Q
So
this
example
demonstrates
how
sustainable,
affordable
housing
provides
an
opportunity
for
municipalities
to
combat
the
ongoing
housing,
affordability
and
climate
crises
together
and
next
slide,
please
so
with
that.
Kathy's
hopes
that
the
committee
will
consider
the
need
for
incentives
and
implementing
the
high
performance
development
standard
and
the
ways
in
which
ensuring
this
standard
is
followed
can
build
a
more
sustainable
and
livable
Ottawa
for
all.
Even
though
implementation
measures
for
the
standard
are
currently
weak,
this
doesn't
prohibit
meaningful
attempts
to
ensure
that
the
standard
is
met.
H
You
very
much
chair
and
thanks
for
being
here,
Mary
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
on
two
things:
number
one:
the
the
bill
23
changes,
because
you
mentioned
it's
applying
to
it
limits
our
ability
to
apply
it
to
certain
buildings
and
I
was
hoping
you
could
expand
on
that,
and
just
I'm,
just
referencing
that
bill
23
came
out
was
severely
going
to
restrict
the
amount
of
use
of
hpds,
but
then
they
changed
it
in
the
second
round.
H
That,
and
my
understanding
from
our
legal
staff
is
that
this
this
allows
us
to
implement
the
hpds,
as
we
initially
sought
to
from
that
planning
committee
previously
approved.
So
I
just
want
to
get
your
perspective
on
that
first
and
then
second
round
on
Bill
23
and
where
you
see
it,
where
you
see
it
as
a
limiting
factor
in
application
for
the
city
and
then
I'll
have
a
second
question.
Chair.
Q
Absolutely
that
that's
a
good
question,
so
from
my
understanding,
the
initial
bill
23
severely
restricted
the
ability
for
municipalities
to
enact
their
high
performance
development
standards.
From
my
understanding,
though,
this
was
changed
at
this
point.
There
were
changes
made
to
the
site
plan
control
that
mean
that
now,
if
a
building
has
10
units
or
less
it's
exempt
from
the
site
plan,
control
and
and
with
that
means,
it's
exempt
from
the
12
tier
one
requirements
under
the
site
plan
control
on
for
the
high
performance
development
standard,
okay,.
H
That's
the
point
that
I'll
see
clarification
from
legal
in
our
planning
staff
at
at
some
point
and
perhaps
I'll
just
ask
for
an
email
from
staff
on
that
particular
point.
I
I
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
on
where
we
can
enact
and
where
we
can't
enact-
and
you
know
that
was
my
concern
too,
and
raise
it
just
with
staff
as
well.
On
the
second
question,
just
I
guess
your
recommendations
for
strengthening
the
hpds.
H
Can
you
send
those
around
to
counselors
and
just
perhaps
highlight
them
here
today,
I
didn't
know
a
committee.
We
did
make
some
changes
to
this
and-
and
we
got
you
know,
implemented
these
in
the
in
the
first
place,
which
is
a
start,
and
obviously
these
can
improve
every
every
term.
But
if
there's
specific
areas
that
you
want
to
see,
it'd
be
helpful
for
me
to
know
exactly
what
those
are
and-
and
if
you
have
some
information
now
also
helpful,
just
getting
a
little
more
specific
than
the
presentation
offered.
So.
A
Counselor
and
I
I
will
just
we
obviously
have
a
delegation
in
front
of
us
who's
prepared
to
speak
to
it,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
addressing
the
the
budget
considerations
primarily
today
and
we
will
have
opportunities
to
take
a
look
at
high
performance
development
standards
through
the
the
course
of
the
the
tournament
Council.
But
if
there
are
elements
Mary
that
you
feel
play
into
today's
consideration
of
the
budget,
I
know
we'd
be
grateful
to
hear
those.
Q
Yeah
thanks
in
terms
of
the
budget,
I
think
what
we're
really
asking
for
is
is
one
an
update
as
I
know,
I
think
there
are
supposedly
developments
on
actual
incentives
for
tiers
two
and
three
of
the
high
performance
development
standard
that
aren't
currently
required
through
the
the
site
plan
control.
Q
So
an
update
on
on
what
exactly
is
is
happening
with
that
and
actually
getting
some
of
these
in
some
incentives,
as
a
budget
line
would
be,
would
be
important
to
actually
see
to
see
what
we
need
to
to
to
to
see
some
kind
of
incentive
for
this
for
the
high
performance
development
standard.
Q
Otherwise
cafes
did
a
wrote,
a
full
report
that
was
comparing
the
Ottawa
High
Performance
development
standard
to
Toronto's
green
standard,
showing
some
holes
in
areas
for
improvement
that
could
be
sent
around
that
I
believe
Cafe
is
presented
on
at
previous
committee
meetings
in
2022.
H
C
Q
H
Very
much
chair
and
yeah,
if
you
could
just
follow
up
with
me
over
email,
that
would
be
helpful
and
appreciate
working
with
you
thanks.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilman
Mary
I,
don't
see
any
of
the
questions
from
members
for
you.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation.
Today
we
have
two
more
delegations,
Mary
Wang
and
Joseph
ostrovsky,
we'll
finish
it
up
Mary.
If
you're
on
the
zoom,
you
have
five
minutes
to
address
the
committee.
R
R
Vice,
chair
grower
and
counselors,
my
name
is
Mary
Huang
and
I
am
the
President
of
Central
Community
Association,
the
co-chair
of
cca's
housing,
affordability,
working
group
steering
committee
member
and
treasurer
of
the
Ottawa
Community
benefits
network
I'm,
the
member
of
the
task
force
to
revitalize
Ottawa,
downtown
and
I'm.
Also
on
these
Council
on
Aging
house,
a
housing
committee
today,
I
am
here
speaking
to
you
as
an
individual
and
residence
Center
town
since
I
wasn't
quite
prepared
enough
to
get
get
it
ready
to
get
things
approved
through
CCA.
R
Three
years
ago
we
just
declared
a
housing
and
homelessness
emergency.
When
8
619
people
were
recorded
as
homeless
and
an
estimate
200
people
were
speaking
sleeping
well.
The
estimate
has
only
gotten
the
situation.
I
only
got
Awards
where
we
have
a
lot
more
people
homeless
in
the
in
our
city
and
more
neighbors
are
sleeping
well
recently,
I
spoke
with
Parkdale
Food,
Center
and
High
Jinks,
and
both
noted
a
lot
more
people
needing
help
with
food,
including
significant
number
of
seniors
that
have
not
that
had
not
been
there
before.
R
They
had
not
seen
before
the
high
rent
increase,
as
noted
by
the
cmhg
rental
housing
report
out
January
2013,
which
stated
that
the
rents
in
Ottawa
have
increased
about
70
percent
higher,
on
average
for
new
tenants
on
turnover
in
Ottawa,
combined
with
inflation.
Around
seven
percent,
more
people
are
struggling
to
make
ends
meet
and
the
homelessness
we
can
see
on
on
the
street
is
getting
worse
too.
The
Scotia
Bank
VP
Rebecca
yell,
published
a
report,
January
18
title
Canadian,
housing
affordability
hurts
in
which
she
stated
candidate
needs.
R
Ambitious
urgent
strategy
for
social
housing
can
I
stock.
A
social
housing
represent
just
3.5
percent
of
its
total
housing
stock,
and
that
is
about
half
of
the
average
of
our
peers
for
oecd
and
G7
countries
to
improve
things.
This
is
an
effort
that
requires
all
levels:
all
levels
of
government,
including
the
city
of
world
war,
Senator
Community,
Associated,
a
community
Workshop
from
homeless
sister
housing
last
year
and
recently
did
a
workshop.
Sorry,
a
working
group
session
on
grooming
house
just
to
delve
into
some
of
the
issues.
R
Steve
palmway
stated
that,
depending
on
the
time
here,
you
use
some
to
15.
Units
of
moderate,
affordable
housing
under
750
are
lost
for
each
unit.
The
government
built
we
are
losing
the
war
on
housing
and
homelessness.
Rooming
houses
is
essential
part
of
the
housing
consume.
It
is
an
affordable
option
for
people
of
low-income.
Also,
some
women
houses
have
also
seen
price
increases,
especially
when
ownership
changes,
and
but
it
does
not.
It
does
provide
some
with
an
affordable
rental
option.
R
City
staff
clarify
that
the
number
of
rooming
houses
have
declined
from
around
450
in
the
1970s
to
current
state,
which
is
about
85
licensed
rooming
houses
with
more
than
a
thousand
residents.
R
If
the
city
of
order
actually
put
the
people
of
Ottawa
first,
then
this
is
a
situation
where
the
status
quo
is
not
sufficient
and
the
strategy
will
fail.
The
people
of
Ottawa,
a
15
million
dollar
Budget
on
the
same
level
as
last
year,
affordable
housing
budget
and
with
the
increasing
construction
costs
and
higher
interest
rate.
This
is
essentially
a
reduction
in
the
projects
and
housing
units.
The
budget
can
support.
R
Given
the
real
estate
environment,
the
acquisition
funds
acquisition
of
existing
rental
housing
makes
the
most
sense
and
it
gives
the
best
passport
value
for
money
for
affordable
housing
for
our
residents.
Rental
housing
buildings
are
valued
at
discount
cash
flow,
so
interest
rate
Rises
the
asset
value
declines.
R
This
is
a
good
time
for
nonprofit
housing
organization
to
go
shopping,
but
to
do
so,
they
need
to
have
access
to
funding
I'm,
asking
the
planning
and
housing
committee
to
recommend
to
the
council
to
take
the
15
million,
affordable
housing
budget,
as
is
but
add
an
additional
15
million
dollar
to
start
a
revolving
acquisition
loan
funds
for
small,
moderate
priced
buildings
and
rooming
houses.
There
could
be
some
look
later
to
see
something
can
be
done
to
extend
to
conversion
projects
of
office
to
residential
for
Ottawa
downtown,
similar
to
what
Calgary
has
done.
R
So
this
is
my
presentation
for
today.
Thank
you
for
listening.
A
I
Hi
Mary.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here,
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
just
speak
to
the
impact
in
the
rise
in
rents
in
the
neighborhood
and
the
the
increase
in
homelessness,
how
you
think
that's
impacting
the
revitalization
of
downtown
Ottawa
and
and
what
you
think
the
budget
of
this
committee
could
do
to
help.
R
R
I
know:
Karen
Lee
at
high
chance
talked
a
lot
more
than
I
do
for
when
they
come
to
for
for
food
and
help
and
hygiene
school,
or
they
actually
do
some
Outreach
I
I,
know
also
the
the
pandemic
funding
ran
out
in
December,
where,
for
example,
used
to
drop
off
15
meals
a
week
at
high
Chance
by
that
stock,
starting
from
February
last
year,
and
that's
probably
in
December,
because
there's
no
funding
and
I
think
with
a
revitalization.
R
The
Ottawa
tourism
person
Catherine
have
said
that
it's
becoming
very
much
of
an
issue
with
tourists
coming
in
the
firework
markets,
probably
a
little
bit
worse
off
than
the
center
town.
But
it's
the
the
homeless
issue
is
quite
high
in
the
center
town
and
and
it's
really
a
shame
that
there's
no
place
for
them
to
go
and
keep
warm
when
the
nights
are
cold.
R
I
had
talking
to
a
young
man
in
his
probably
late
20s
early
30s
and
the
Esso
gas
station
were
back
in
Glaston
and
he
said
this
was
probably
a
little
bit
over
a
year
ago.
He
said
he
was
living
in
shelter
for
most
of
2020
and
he
was
living
on
the
street
in
2021..
R
We
have
a
significant
issue
and
some
at
some
stage
it
will
no
longer
be
able
to
choose
between
food,
rent,
medication
and
other
items
and
they
may
become
homeless.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
troster,
Mary
I,
don't
see
any
other
questions
from
committee
members.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation
today.
I
appreciate
that
our
last
delegation
today
is
Joseph
ostrovsky
Mr
ostroski.
You
have
five
minutes
to
address
the
committee.
S
S
There
are
over
10
000
families
on
waiting
lists
for
social
housing
in
a
city,
hundreds
of
people
are
lacking
permanent
shelter
and
while
the
city
is
investing
time
and
resources,
including
money
into
Solutions,
we
do
believe
that
the
proposed
budget,
Here
Comes
short
on
that,
even
apart
from
chronic
underspending
at
all
levels
of
government
and
a
lack
of
ambitious
targets
that
you
know,
we've
had
increases
of
construction
costs
since
2020,
and
the
proposed
budget
here
uses
the
Housing
Services
long-range
financial
plan
from
2020
to
justify
the
the
proposed
spending
here
and
obviously
that
won't
be
enough
to
to
fulfill
the
requirements.
S
And
so
we
hope
the
committee
takes
that
into
account
when
approving
the
planning,
the
proposed
budget
here
and
so,
and
we
also
look
forward
to
the
proposed
to
the
upcoming
2023
update
to
the
Housing
Services
long-range
financial
plan
that
was
mentioned.
S
I
believe
in
it
was
in
the
mentioned
in
the
Ottawa
Citizen
in
June
of
last
year,
and
we
hope
that
that
comes
soon,
because
any
delays
in
in
these
sorts
of
spending
and
approvals,
and
things
like
that,
makes
developments
more
expensive
because
we're
dealing
with
inflation,
construction
costs,
interest
rates
increasing
over
time.
S
So
anything
that
can
be
done
as
quickly
as
possible
is
is
obviously
better
and
that
the
city
of
Ottawa
can't
rely
necessarily
on
other
levels
of
the
government
to
maintain
the
levels
of
funding
that
they're
supplying.
Now
changes
in
government
do
occur.
Things
are
unpredictable,
and
so
it's
obviously
better
for
the
city
of
Ottawa
to
spend
more
of
its
own
money
as
much
as
possible
and
as
also
was
mentioned
by
by
other
people.
S
Even
apart
from
the
tremendous
human
cost
and
suffering
that
happens
as
a
result
of
people
not
having
shelter,
there's
also
the
financial
aspect
to
it
to
the
city
that
housing
first
initiatives
getting
people
off
the
street
and
into
homes
saves
the
city,
tens
of
thousands,
even
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
per
person
in
other
city
services
that
that
people
are
engaging
with
instead
of
instead
of
just
dealing
with
the
how,
instead
of
just
being
given
housing
as
well.
S
Something
that
wasn't
mentioned
is
we're
looking
forward
to
the
upcoming
Community
Improvement
plan,
which
I
believe
is
coming
out
in
this
month
and
will
be
approved
in
March,
which
will
hopefully
incorporate
the
suggestions
in
the
consultations
that
happen
there,
as
well
as
parts
of
the
mayor's
platform
on,
for
example,
providing
relief
for
application
fees
and
development
charges
for
non-profits
and
affordable
housing,
particularly
near
Transit,
and
also
other
ways
of
using
City
finances
to
accelerate
these
types
of
housing.
S
So
we
hope
that
the
planning
committee
takes
into
account
that
in
March
there
may
be
proposals
that
affect
that
sort
of
Revenue
stream
from
from
various
fees
in
terms
of
accelerating
affordable
housing
and
again,
we
hope
that
this
happens
as
quickly
as
possible
because
delays
are
are
a
concern
for
construction
and,
finally,
just
as
a
general
point
for
the
city's
finances
in
terms
of
the
activity
of
the
planning
and
housing
committee.
S
We
hope
that
the
planning
committee
acts
to
accelerate
infill
housing,
which
is
obviously
a
net
positive
to
City
finances
and
to
slow
sprawl,
which
is
a
net
negative
to
the
city's
finances
and
so
obviously,
including
in
that
is
spending
more
on
the
sort
of
on
dense
and
affordable
and
social
housing,
which
is
something
the
city
can
immediately
fund,
which
can
help
act
as
intensification
but
as
well.
Well,
we
were
disappointed
in
the
delay
to
the
zoning
bylaw
review,
because,
again,
the
you
know
are
particularly
complicated.
S
Zoning
by
law,
with
446
Provisions,
very
convoluted,
involving
all
these
Amalgamated
City
bylaws,
and
so
we
hope
that
that
would
have
been
able
to
be
resolved
faster
and
not
delayed,
as
it
was
at
the
last
planning
committee
meeting,
because
and
and
so
as
was
mentioned
at
the
last
planning
committee
meeting.
Excuse
me:
staff
I
I.
S
Somebody
asked
if
staff
might
have
more
of
a
need
for
funds
if
that
would
accelerate
the
zoning
bylaw
review,
and
so
we
definitely
support
any
sort
of
resources
that
the
planning
and
housing
committee
can
supply
here
for
the
zoning
bylaw
review
to
ensure
that
that's
completed
as
quickly
as
possible.
Thank
you
very
much,
foreign.
A
The
delegation
are
there
any
questions
from
members
seeing
none.
We
will
wrap
that
up.
Mr
ostrowsky.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
being
here
today.
So
those
are
our
public
delegations
members.
What
I'm
going
to
propose
is
we
take
15
minutes
before
we
come
back
when
we
come
back
we'll
have
the
opportunity
to
post
questions
to
staff,
make
wrap-up
statements.
A
There
are
two
motions
that
are
on
the
table:
one
addressing
the
patio
fees,
one
addressing
the
referral
of
the
fca's
CFA
asks
to
staff,
as
well
as
the
roadmap
motion
to
approve
today's
budget.
Let's
see
in
15
minutes.
Thank
you.
A
H
It
seems
to
me
that
if
we
were
factoring
in
inflation,
since
we
had
this
we'd
be
more,
you
know
16
point
8
or
around
17
million
today,
so
I
guess
how
do
staff
propose?
We
combat
the
inflation
that
we're
seeing
and
ameliorate
this
budget
so
that
we
don't
have
a
real
Dollar
Cuts
to
affordable
housing
Capital
in
the
future.
G
Having
said
that,
and
it
was
referenced
earlier
today,
obviously,
there's
been
some
significant
changes
in
the
in
the
market
condition
in
terms
of
inflation
in
the
last
couple
years
and
we
are
committed
to
refreshing
the
long-range
financial
plan
this
year.
So
my
goal
would
be
to
have
this
plan
refreshed
in
time
for
the
2024
budget.
H
Okay,
that's
that's
helpful
to
know
last
term
or
last
I
guess
I
think
it
was
last
year
two
million
of
the
15
million
was
allocated
to
private
sector
incentives
for
developers
for
what
might
be
shorter
term
housing
rather
than
the
long-term,
predictable
sustainable,
affordable
housing
that
can
be
purchased
through
public
housing,
Och
and
otherwise.
I'm
just
wondering
is
that
is
that
two
million
dollar
change
from
you
know
within
that
50
million
still
present
and
and
and
apparent
in
this
budget,
or
is
it
15
million?
H
Just
for
you
know
permanent
sustainable,
affordable
housing.
T
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
so
the
two
million
dollars
that
we
had
allocated
in
advance
to
the
changes
of
the
provincial
government
to
private
incentives.
That
was
part
of
the
budget
we
withdrew
last
year
and
we
put
that
money
back
into
our
existing
15
million
dollars
and
we've
allocated
that
to
a
construction,
ready
project
and
we're
not
anticipating
to
include
that
into
the
2023
Capital
program.
This
year.
Okay,.
H
Good,
no
and
I
think
we
talked
about
this
during
the
governance
review
as
well
I'm
happy
to
hear
that.
Obviously,
this
is
a
line
item
that
that
needs
to
be
much
improved
and
I.
Think
you
hear
from
delegates,
but
you
also
hear
from
the
public
on
a
regular
basis.
We
all
heard
it
during
the
election
I.
Think
many
of
us
ran
on
the
platform
of
helping
to
increase
this
budget.
H
Is
it
still
true
that
that
you
know
I,
think
Syed
I
talked
about
this
previously
that
that
increasing
this
Budget
on
the
capital
side
could
lead
to
more
Federal
and
provincial
dollars
matching
dollars
in
the
future?
Is
that
still
accurate.
T
Mr
chair,
we
haven't
had
confirmation
in
terms
of
matching
dollars
at
this
point
in
time.
I
think
the
intent
and
what
we're
hoping
is
you
know
to
continue
to
try
to
get
those
matching.
The
lrfp
is
based
on
the
premise
of
a
third,
a
third,
a
third,
so
our
15
million
would
get
matched
with
each
level
of
of
government.
So
we're
still,
you
know,
would
be
advocating
strongly
for
that.
T
I
think
an
important
piece
that
we're
going
to
do
this
year
is
given
that
what
we
would
normally
do
is
we
would
come
to
committee
each
year
with
a
with
a
one-year
Capital
plan
for
the
15
million
dollars
in
terms
of
how
we're
going
to
allocate
that
what
we're
intending
to
do
this
year
in
the
capital
plan
that
will
come
to
forward
to
this
committee
is
look
at
the
entire
term
of
counsel,
the
60
million
and
look
at
how
we
would
propose
to
the
plan
to
spend
that
60
million
dollars
over
this
term
of
counsel
and
then
depending
on
each
Year's
approval.
T
H
I
appreciate
that
it's
just
that,
it's
not
it's
not
enough.
We,
we
There's
real
Dollar
Cuts
happening
as
a
result
of
inflation
to
this
budget
line
item.
This
budget
line
item
should
be
at
least
doubled
and
indexed
to
what
is
inflation
at
this
point,
if
you
look
at
the
the
total
amount,
it's
it's.
You
know
one
large
Road
widening.
H
That's
our
entire
Capital
spend
on
affordable
housing,
so
I
think
that's
not
where
the
city
of
ottawa's
priorities
are
and
I,
don't
think
the
budget
reflects
accurately
what
people
would
say
about
this,
nor
what
counselors
have
said
in
the
election,
so
I
was
disappointed
to
see
us
just
continue
on
with
this
amount
in
the
budget,
given
it's
not
reflective
of
of
public
sentiment
or
nor
counselors
platform
promises.
H
If,
if
nothing
else,
I
don't
know
what
else
you
could
rely
on
for
performing
a
budget
than
those
types
of
priorities
in
the
polling
we
saw
and
the
sentiment
we
saw
than
that,
and
so
I
don't
understand
how
we
came
back
with
this
number
and
we
see
other
increases
in
the
budget,
but
nothing
here-
and
this
is
this-
is
a
huge
priority.
H
So
we
need
to
at
least
double
that
I
hope
to
see
it
at
least
double
you
know,
if
not
this
year,
then
the
next
year
and
I
guess
the
last
question
would
be
just:
did
staff
see
a
rule
for
that
Land
Trust?
We
we
heard
a
great
presentation
from
Mike
today
on
on
a
land
trust
of
what
could
be
ameliorated
on
the
not-for-profit
side,
whether
it
be
land
Capital
dollars.
H
Other
Acquisitions.
Did
the
staff
see
a
role
there
in
dystaff,
see
a
role
for
the
city,
helping
to
fund
that
that
piece.
T
H
A
Thank
you
very
much
to
councilman.
Just
as
a
quick
reminder.
I
know,
a
number
of
members
of
the
council
are
participating
in
today's
meeting.
We're
not
members
of
the
committee.
If
you
do
want
to
put
a
motion
forward,
councilor
Gower
has
agreed
to
always
put
motions
on
the
table
if
they
come
from
somebody
on
a
neutral
basis
and
the
rules
of
the
budget
process
are
such
that
we
need
to
come
out
of
today
with
any
additions
to
any
particular
part
of
the
budget
being
offset
by
offsets
in
another
part
of
the
budget.
A
A
R
E
You
can
call
me
whatever
you
want.
Is
that
actually
what
what
Cyril
had
just
shared
there
was
significant
that
the
long-range
financial
plan
for
housing
would
be
updated
this
year
rather
than
next
year.
So
that
is
significant.
Is
that
still
going
to
be
a
10-year
plan?
Is
that
what
staff
are
contemplating
or
will
be
a
different
time
frame?.
G
Through
the
chair,
no
the
plan
would
be
the
same
duration
in
10
years.
I
think
you
know
the
importance
is
originally.
We
had
planned
for
2024
so
next
year.
They'll
do
that
update,
but
I
think
it's
a
priority
for
me
and
my
team
to
come
back
this
year
in
time
for
the
2024
budget
to
inform
the
changes
that
we're
experiencing.
E
Okay,
picking
up
something
councilman
art
had
asked
hypothetically.
If,
somewhere,
we
were
to
come
up
with
another
5
million
or
10
million
or
15
million
somewhere
in
our
our
capital
budget
elsewhere.
Committee
of
the
whole
would
that
immediately
open
up
funding
from
other
levels
of
government.
If
we
were
able
to
go
to
the
province
or
federal
government
this
year
and
said
we
have
another
5
million.
Would
that
result
in
money
that
we
could
leverage
from
them.
T
Mr
chair,
we
have
not
seen
that
when
we've
made
our
15
million
dollars,
investment
we're
not
seeing
matching
dollars
coming
from
other
levels
of
government
to
the
community,
we're
seeing
like
the
rhi
that
just
came
out
specific
Project
funding
or
dedicated
funding
to
meet
objectives
that
we
would
do
in
one
time
instances
the
province
has
given
us
our
allocation
through
the
OPI
program,
which
is
the
funding
source
that
they
provide
to
our
capital,
and
it's
about
4.7
million,
so
short
of
matching
the
dollars
that
we
would
be
expecting
now.
T
I
know,
there's
continued
advocacy
efforts
and
would
that
change
potentially,
but
we
have
not
had.
We
have
not
seen
that
equal
matching
before
we
did
have
social
service
relief
funding,
which
ended
in
March
of
this
year.
That
was
some
opportunity
to
match
that
funding
with
other
levels
of
government.
But
we've
had
no
commitment
from
other
levels
of
government
to
match
that
moving
forward.
E
Okay
on
that
rapid
Housing
Initiative,
so
there
was
an
announcement
this
week
of
I
think
it
was
18
and
a
half
million.
How
does
that
show
up
in
our
budget?
Is
it
already
accounted
for?
Can
you
just
explain
how
the
accounting
works
on
a
on
that
kind
of
Grant
from
the
federal
government.
T
Yes,
Mr
chair,
so
that
is
one-time
funding.
That's
come
through
the
federal
government.
So
that's
on
top
of
the
15
million
that
you
would
see
in
the
capital
budget,
so
that
money
we
wouldn't
have
it.
You
know
we
wouldn't
have
had
that
knowingly
in
in
as
we
developed
the
budget
that
that
money
was
coming
and
it
is
one-time
funding.
T
So
that
would
be
on
top
of
the
15
million
that
18
million
dollars
is
for
specific
housing
as
well
targeted
with
the
federal
program
with
specific
criteria,
but
it
absolutely
adds
to
the
number
48
additional
units
that
we
could
develop
in
the
next
18
months
as
part
of
our
Capital
program
on
top
of
the
15
million.
So.
E
T
No
Mr
chair,
we
did
we
anticipated
and
we're
hoping
for
rhi
funding,
so
we
went
ahead
and
did
an
RF
RFI
with
the
community.
We
have
a
number
of
projects
more
money
than
we
or
more
projects
than
we
would
actually
have
money
to
to
move
forward
on
that
we're
not
anticipating
any
surplus.
Okay.
T
Yes,
they
would
be
from
round
one
and
two
where
we
still
have
not
dispensed
that
money,
we're
awaiting
Milestones
or
payments
in
that
okay.
E
B
F
So,
thank
you,
Cheryl
start
and
serial
may
wish
dad.
So
that
amount
is
still
within
the
Housing
Services
budget.
Bill
23
did
remove
Housing,
Services
or
affordable
housing
as
an
eligible
service.
So
there
is
a
a
1.1
million
dollar
impact
there.
But
at
this
point
staff
are
relying
on
the
provinces,
signaling
or
I'll.
Call
it
signaling
to
make
us
whole
with
respect
to
those
DC
impacts.
E
Okay
and
I
think
Bill
23
also
exempts
a
number
of
charges,
development
charges,
Parkland
and
so
on.
Do
we
have
a
dollar
amount
on
on
how
much
that
may
benefit
affordable
housing
providers
over
the
course
of
the
year.
E
Okay,
okay
last
question:
the
replacement
of
the
map
system.
I
know
what
it
is:
it's
4.5
million
dollars
as
a
cost.
What
does
that
mean
from
a
efficiency
or
a
process?
Point
of
view
for
the
department-
and
why
is
this
an
investment?
That's
that's
being
made.
F
I'll
start-
and
perhaps
Derek
may
wish
to
add
on
so
so
really
it's
the
you
know,
foundation
for
for
moving
forward
in
terms
of
our
current
system
is
well
past,
its
shelf
life.
We
need
a
a
new
system,
that's
you
know,
transparent
and
folks.
Can
you
know
track
their
applications
effectively?
It'll
help
us
in
our
reporting
obligations
moving
forward,
it's
really
setting
up
our
whole
development
review,
building
code,
community
of
adjustment,
it's
a
foundational
element
in
terms
of
moving
forward
and
modernizing.
F
It'll
reduce
staff
time
that's
spent
on
the
current
system,
so
there
there
will
be
efficiencies.
Certainly,
okay,.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Council
Vice,
chair,
glauer,
counselor
King.
U
Thank
you
so
much
chair
and
I
wanted
to
ask
a
question
concerning
I
guess:
Heritage
planning,
which
is
in
conjunction
with
this
budget.
As
we
know,
the
the
drop
budget
currently
will
reduce
the
city's
Heritage
planning
Department's
budget
by
twenty
six
thousand
dollars
in
2023.
U
Appreciating
the
fact
that
what
is
before
committee
and
Council
right
now
is
a
transitional
budget,
I
was
wondering
if
staff
can
explain
the
process
to
engage
counsel
concerning
outlining
the
future
stock
requirements
that
will
be
needed
to
accommodate
Heritage
designation
assessments
that
will
be
required
in
the
in
the
wake
of
Bill
23.
F
My
chair
I'd
ask
Mr
Court
Curry
to
respond.
V
Thanks
Don,
chair
King,
you
raise
a
very
good
point:
we're
currently
right
now
reviewing
Bill
23
Bill
109
implications
on
our
heritage
planning
program.
Budget
2023
does
include
a
one-time
FTE
for
our
heritage,
Conservation
District
plan
development
to
bring
them
in
alignment
with
Bill
109,
focusing
in
on
Sandy
Hill,
lower
town
and
byward
working
with
Mr
herwire
and
Miss
forgey.
We
are
reviewing
our
operational
resources
that
are
required
and
those
will
be
subject
to
a
further
report.
This
spring.
U
I
appreciate
that
I
think
it's
important
to
to
underline
that
there
will
be
challenges,
obviously
for
Heritage
staff
with
reviewing
items
that
are
the
heritage
registry
and
that
there
will
be
a
process
that
will
obviously
involve
Council
to
review
the
expenses
and
needs
for
the
upcoming
budget
processes
is
very
important
to
to
underline.
U
My
other
question
involves
an
item
that
I
that
I
raised
I,
think
at
finance
and
Corporate
Services,
just
surrounding
the
Investments
that
we
are
going
to
be
making
in
new
mapping
which
I,
which
I
know
that
a
staff
touched
upon
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting,
so
I'm
wondering
if
staff
could
talk
briefly
about
the
Investments
allocated
to
mapping
and
weather
and
how
this
will
include
the
development
of
3D
modeling,
which
we
understand
could
be
an
excellent,
a
tool
to
assist
with
public
consultations.
W
Well,
thank
you
chair.
The
digital
twin
exercise
has
been
something
that
staff
have
indeed
been
working
on.
There
has
been
funds
that
have
been
allocated
for
that
those
funds
are
coming
from
primarily
from
the
the
new
zoning
bottle.
Exercise
is
the
source
of
that,
but
the
the
intention
for
digital
twin
is
not
simply
just
for
zoning.
It
is
intended
to
provide
much
more
sweeping
benefits
across
the
cities.
It
works
its
way
through
geomatic
staff
continue
to
work
with
with
staff
to
develop
those
plans.
W
U
I
appreciate
that,
and
especially
since
that
was
a
directive
that
really
emerged
from
the
new
official
plan
process.
I
was
just
wondering:
do
we
have
as
explicit,
spend
and
explicit
date
and
time
for
implementation
of
these
new
technologies
and
software.
W
With
respect
to
the
digital
twin
exercise,
zoning
staff
are
already
using
that
technology
right
now
with
the
development
of
the
the
zoning
process.
They
go
through.
We're
also
looking
to
leverage
that,
with
our
I.T
Department,
to
bring
that
in-house.
That
is
something
that
we
are
looking
to
do
over
the
course
of
the
Year.
Currently
right
now
it
is
accessed
through
a
an
external
provider.
U
Appreciate
it
and
that's
my
my
first
set
of
questions,
thank
you.
Joe.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
councilor
King,
just
a
quick
note
to
the
committee.
I
fielded
a
few
questions
for
members
who
are
contemplating
how
to
dissent
on
capping
the
cap
of
the
affordable
housing
capital
budget
at
15
million.
There
is
a
part
of
the
road
map
motion
that
speaks
to
the
planning
committee
capital
budget
on
page
36
and
I'll
be
seeking
a
a
separate
vote
on
that
part
of
the
roadmap
motion,
assuming
that
the
rest
may
pass
in
its
entirety.
Councilor
Johnson
questions
for
staff.
J
Okay,
sorry
about
that,
okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
Donna
when
we
were
talking
about
rhi
and
I
just
want
to
get
you
to
expand
a
little
bit.
I
understand
that
they
are
certainly
contributing
18.5
million
dollars
and
that
that
is
a
good
thing
and
that
the
federal
programs
are
a
good
thing.
But
what
are
we
still
not
able
to
achieve
with
our
current
budget
for
the
15
million?
What
is
it
that
you
would
like
to
be
able
to
do
that?
J
T
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
and
I
think
the
counselor
raised
the
issue
around
the
escalating
costs,
the
pressures,
the
contingency
requirements
that
we
have
on
our
existing
Capital
program,
interest
rates
like
all
the
converging
factors
and
so
Council,
set
in
the
last
term,
a
council,
clear
objectives
in
the
housing
and
homelessness
plan
and
in
the
lrfp
around
the
number
of
units,
500
units
that
we
would
develop
each
year
with
with
those
constraints,
we
can't
meet
that
Council
objective
to
deliver
that
plan
that
Council
set,
but
I
think
the
challenge
is:
is
that
we're
not
really
clear
yet
around?
T
T
Think
for
this
term
of
counsel
and
I
think
what
Cyril
has
raised
is
you
know
the
need
to
do
a
long-range
financial
plan
to
put
the
converging
factors
in
front
of
council
and
then
for
Council
to
make
a
decision
around
how
they
want
to
proceed
with
those
Investments
either
to
meet
meet
those
existing
targets,
change
them
based
on
the
assumptions
of
other
levels
of
government
or
make
more
investment
based
on
your
priorities,
and
the
intent
this
year
is
to
do
that.
T
Work
to
put
that
in
front
of
council
so
that
you
can
make
the
decisions
that
you
need,
and
our
intent
is
that
by
doing
the
four-year
Capital
program,
with
the
60
million,
that
Council
has
already
committed
over
the
entire
term
and
start
to
plan
that
out
that
that
also
gives
you
an
understanding
of
which
projects
just
with
Municipal
funding.
You
can
advance
within
the
city
with
against
that
long-range
financial
plan.
So
we're
thinking
those
two
pieces
are
really
going
to
give
you
the
information,
then
to
set
your
priorities
as
a
term
of
council.
J
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
because
I
think
that
18.5
million
is
kind
of
like
oh,
you
know.
Oh
we're
going
to
get
a
real
cash
injection
here,
and
it
is
true
and
I
and
I
and
I
absolutely
value
that
program,
but
it
there
is
an
application
process.
J
You
can
be
screened
out
of
that
funding,
based
on
the
criteria
that
the
federal
government
puts
forward,
and
so
we
can
achieve
certain
objectives
with
that
line
of
funding,
but
not
others,
and
so
we
will
still
need
to
have
a
strategic
plan
within
Council
of
our
of
our
of
our
more
local
picture
and
what
the
pieces
are.
So
I
appreciate
your
clarification
on
that
and
then
the
similarly
now
that
you
used
an
acronym
in
a
very
quick
way,
but
it's
a
okri
oshri.
It's
the
provincial
contribution
at
four
point:
some!
X
J
T
So
I
think
the
short
answer
is
it
hasn't,
so
it's
stayed
relatively
consistent
over
the
years
that
amount.
Okay,.
J
Yeah,
so
we
we
still
have
some
shortfalls
that
we're
looking
to
achieve
with
that.
A
third,
a
third,
a
third
and
I-
know
we're
all
anxious
to
get
to
to
get
to
work,
to
figure
out
how
so
thank
you
to
Mr
Rogers
for
suggesting
that
we'll
have
a
plan
in
place
and
to
Donna
as
well.
Okay,
so
I
have
a
couple
other
questions
so
I
understand
through
the
vacant
unit
tax
that
we
were
going
to
be
seeing
an
increase
to
our
affordable
housing
Capital
line
as
well.
G
J
Yes,
so
that's
why
we
don't
see
it
here
in
in
this
piece,
because
it's
going
towards
the
reserve
exactly
the
housing
Reserve.
Thank
you
for
that
clarification
and,
and
then
my
other
questions
are
really
about
looking
at
some
overtime
lines.
So
this
might
be
something
that
should
be
regular,
easily
apparent
to
me,
but
I
was
wondering
why
what
kind
of
pressures
we
were
creating
for
over
time
within
our
right-of-way
Heritage
and
and
Urban
Design
departments,
as
well
as
our
building
code
departments?
What's
going
on
there.
V
Thanks
chair
I
can
speak
for
right
away:
hydrogen
Urban
Design
they're,
mostly
being
generated
by
our
Inspection
Services
Branch,
so
that
branch
is
made
up
of
our
60
development
inspectors,
Capital
inspectors,
water
inspectors
and
right-of-way
inspectors,
construction
season,
obviously
very
strong
last
year,
and
so
we
work
at
24
7
operation
for
the
number
of
projects,
specifically
on
the
capital
side,
where
we
need
to
line
up
with
our
Capital
partners
this
year,
we're
forecasting
as
well
a
significant
surge.
The
construction
season
has
has
elongated.
V
Certainly
over
the
last
few
years,
work
is
already
being
done
on
the
2023
Capital
program.
So
it
is
a
constant
pressure,
but
we
do
get
monthly
reporting.
We
do
have
the
appropriate
controls
in
place
to
monitor
overtime
and
we
will
be
right
sizing
the
budget
as
appropriate.
J
And
and
I
assume
that
those
those
factors
for
overtime
are
part
of
the
collective
agreements
with
with
the
staff
in
your
department.
So,
as
these
things
change,
do
we
get
an
opportunity
to
review
what
overtime
controls
we
have
and
whether
or
not
there's
some
a
way
for
us
to
to
re-jig
it
so
that
we
don't
see
a
surge
as
you've
described.
V
It's
a
great
question:
a
lot
of
our
work
is:
is
seasonal
and
So.
Within
the
branch
we
do
look
at
covering
providing
growth
opportunities,
but
also
covering
off
where
we
have
capacity
issues
with
existing
stuff
to
minimize
our
overtime
needs,
but
on
the
macro
level,
yes,
we
are
tracking
our
our
overtime,
Trends
and
working
with
HR
on
identifying
with
my
colleague,
Mr
Buck
who's
on
the
line
in
building
code
Services
how
we
can
look
to
mitigate
overtime
on
a
on
across
departmental
basis,
foreign.
Y
Very
similar
to
what
Mr
Curry
has
just
indicated,
you
know.
Certainly
we
look
for
opportunities
to
be
very
efficient
in
our
resources,
and
you
know,
certainly
over
time
is
typically
only
authorized
with
the
appropriate.
You
know
permissions
through
the
supervisors
and
whatnot
hour.
Overtime
in
building
code.
Y
Services
is
largely,
is
largely
allocated
to
our
inspections
team
as
well,
and
you
know,
certainly
the
summer
season
is
our
busy
season
as
well
as
following
up
after
you
know
whether
it
be
a
climatic
event
like
the
Windstorm
or
or
even
right
now,
unfortunately,
what's
going
on
in
the
East
End,
but
we've
made
some
strides
in
our
hiring
this
past
year
and
that
we're
actually
very
proud
of-
and
we
don't
anticipate
over
time
to
be
as
needed
to
cover
off
our
day-to-day
volumes
as
it
previously
has
been.
G
Yeah
Mr
chair
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
for
point
of
clarification,
so
the
overtime
is
governed
by
Collective
agreements,
so,
as
per
like
those
are
the
rules
that
we
follow
from
overtime
perspective
and
then
from
a
building
code.
Just
to
add
to
what
John
said,
you
know:
they're
governed
by
the
building
code
reserves
so
they're
kind
of
fully
funded.
So
to
the
point
you
know
it
is
the
variability
that
kind
of
drives
that
over
time
in
terms
of
demand,
supply
and
demand.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
additional
clarification,
councilor
troster.
I
I
The
first
question
I
have
is
so
we
were
told
by
the
mayor's
office
and
also
by
your
former
colleague
Saeed,
that
the
that
50
million
dollars
for
the
multi-faith
Housing
Initiative
dream
project
at
lebreton
Flats
was
included
in
this
year's
budget.
Can
you
confirm,
if
that's
the
case.
T
Mr
chair
so
the
capital
plan
that
I
spoke
about
when
we're
looking
at
the
60
million
over
the
term
of
the
council.
That
is
one
of
the
initiatives
that
will
be
included
for
options
for
Council
to
consider
around
where
that
money
and
that
investment
would
actually
be
made
over
the
term
of
council.
So
there'd
be
a
number
of
recommendations,
number
of
options
that
that
would
be
included
and
we're
contemplating
that
you
know
contemplating
that
project.
The
50
million
that
they're
looking
at
in
that
60
million
dollar
Capital
plan.
Okay,.
I
T
We
will
give
Council
an
overview
of
all
of
the
pressures
and
then
and
the
needs
and
put
together
a
recommended
package
for
council's
consideration.
Okay,.
T
It's
being
contemplated
in
that
entire
plan
and
I
think
once
we're
not
we're,
not
finished
the
plan,
we're
still
looking
at
all
of
the
projects
and
initiatives
that
we
actually
have
and
the
pressures
that
we
actually
have
so
be
premature
for
me
to
commit
that
that's
actually
there
today,
but
it
is
in
the
mix
of
all
the
projects
that
Council
will
have
for
consideration
around
where
they
put
that
funding.
Okay,.
I
That's
very
different
from
what
my
office
was
told.
So
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
I,
a
simple
question:
why
is
there
no
increase
in
the
capital,
affordable,
housing
budget?
You
know
my
understanding
is
we're
raising
taxes
by
2.5
percent
and
we're
seeing
almost
another
2.5
in
revenue
from
development,
which
is
another
five
percent
increase
into
the
city.
Why
is
why
is
it's
still
15
million
dollars
and
or
and
not
any
higher,
given
the
rate
of
inflation
or
given
just
the
general
tax
increase
across
the
city.
G
Through
the
chair,
so
again
that's
what
the
long-range
financial
plan
that
was
approved
IB.
It
was
a
previous
tournament
Council
and
we
looked
at
it
over
to
10-year
term
or
10
years,
I
guess
and
we're
really
building
that
City's
contribution
of
15
million.
So
this
budget
does
include
an
incremental
million
dollar
base
increase
to
achieve
that
steady
state
base
of
15
million
over
the
term,
so
I
think
over
the
life
of
the
long-range
financial
plan,
so
each
year
of
this
plan
we're
adding
a
million
dollars
to
the
base.
G
So
if
you
refer
to
one
of
the
pages
in
the
operating
budget,
you
see
that
million
which
helps
for
the
the
15
million.
That
means
there's
less
debt
being
applied
to
it.
So
if
you
reference
long-range
financial
plan,
there's
a
table
which
we
show
the
growing
the
base
to
get
to
that
15,
that's
steady
state
of
15!
So
in
previous
years
we
did
add
some
debt,
then
we're
reducing
the
debt
requirement
as
we
grow
the
base
to
get
to
that
15
million.
I
Yes,
okay
and
just
another
question
so
hearing
that
there's
approximately
4.4
million
dollars
that
we
expect
to
receive
from
the
vacant
unit
tax.
So
you
said
it's
being
added
to
the
capital
budget.
Could
that
be
applied
to
the
or
it's
being
added
to
the
reserve
fund?
Could
that
be
applied
as
additional
Capital
spending
for
this
year?.
G
T
Yeah,
so
in
the
long-range
financial
plan
it
was
contemplated.
Revenues
would
make
up
that
15
million.
So,
as
Cyril
said,
the
vacant
tax
is
a
revenue
that
supports
the
15
million
dollars.
So
your
point
is
that
spend
of
the
15
million
dollars
is
contemplated.
The
additional
revenues
from
the
vacant
tax
being
applied
to
create
that
15
million.
G
So
I
apologize,
maybe
for
clarity.
So
right
now,
if
you
look
at
the
housing,
Reserve
continuity,
our
forecasted
ending
balance
for
2023
is
15
million
dollars.
So
there's
15
million
dollars
sitting
in
the
housing
Reserve
at
the
end
of
2023.
I.
Think
most
of
that
is
an
ear
Mark
for
contingencies
on
existing
projects.
So
maybe
Donna
you
can
clarify
me
on
that
component.
I!
Think!
That's
the
clarity
you're
looking
for
counselor.
T
Yeah,
so
that
15
million
dollars
that
you
see
in
the
reserve
existing
was
part
of
allocated
to
contingencies.
On
our
existing
plan,
where
we
were
experiencing
funding
shortfalls,
where
encrypting,
we
had
shovel
ready
construction
ready
projects
that
all
of
a
sudden
we're
experiencing
exponential
cost
increases.
So
we
took
about
50
million
and
we've
allocated
to
those
particular
projects
as
part
of
our
Capital
plan.
I
Well
just
say:
the
only
reason
that
multi-faith
housing
is
is
coming
to
the
city,
for
15
million
is
because
their
own
inflationary
costs
with
the
project
that
was
actually
fully
costed
out
with
with
staff
funding.
So
that's
just
one
example,
so
with
all
due
respective
staff
who
works
super
hard
on
this
budget,
but
it
came
with
a
political
agenda
which
was
to
stay
within
a
very
specific
tax
rate.
I
I
I,
don't
think
this
comes
even
close
to
meeting
the
need
and
the
ambition
that
we
need
in
the
city
on
affordable
housing
and
every
single
day.
We
get
calls
from
people
about
to
be
evicted
from
rooming
houses
who
have
no
access
to
housing,
who
are
on
the
brink
of
homelessness,
and
it
is
absolutely
devastating
to
tell
them
that
the
waitlist
for
affordable
housing
is,
you
know,
10
years
long,
12,
000,
people
long
and
I,
just
don't
see
a
significant
movement.
This
can
make
a
difference
in
that
direction.
I
So
I
do
plan
to
dissent
on
this
section
of
the
budget,
but
it
is
with
hope
that
we
can
move
forward
in
another
Direction
and,
if
there's
opportunities
on
March
1st,
to
find
a
way
to
at
least
fund
the
difference.
The
cost
of
construction
inflation,
which
is
I,
know
something
that
councilor
Johnson
has
been
asking
around
about
too.
It
just
seems
to
be
enormously
unfair
and
inadequate.
That
there's
in
real
dollar
amounts
there's
absolutely
no
increase
to
Capital
funding
for
affordable
housing.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
truster,
and
it's
been
clarified
for
me
that
if
you're
voting
for
the
rest
of
the
budget,
it
is
particularly
page
53
that
you
will
be
dissenting
on
for
those
who
want
to
do
that
so
counselor
Kavanaugh
is
next.
K
Thank
you
very
much.
Yeah
I
realized
that
staff
have
worked
really
hard
on
this
we're
just
we
just
had
that
rapid
housing
funding
announcement
for
48
units,
18.5
million
dollars
and
I
I
understand
this
is
not
new.
This
is
something
we
already
knew
about,
but
can
you
just
write
us
through
the
specifics
of
that
18.5
million
and
how
it
works
with
our
our
our
own
money
that
we
have
put
aside
for
housing.
T
Thank
you
Mr
chair
for
that
for
the
question.
I
think
that's
a
really
important
question
and
I'll
I'll
have
our
manager
of
affordable
housing.
Lauren
Reeves
speak
about
what
that
money
is
and
some
of
the
what
counselor
Johnson
spoke
about
some
of
the
limitations
and
the
benefits
of
it.
X
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
so
the
rapid
Housing
Initiative
funding
is
a
pot
of
money
that
is
tied
to
a
number
of
requirements,
and
so
it's
not
very
flexible
in
terms
of
how
we
can
allocate
those
funds,
not
like
our
our
city
capital,
for
example,
which
gives
us
a
lot
more
flexibility.
The
rhi
funding
must
pay
for
100
percent
of
the
cost
of
of
the
units,
so
we
must
deliver
48
units
and
they
will
allocate
18.5
million.
X
There
is
no
financing
permitted,
so
we
would
need
if
we
chose
to
submit
for
approval
a
project
that
had
a
a
value
greater
than
that
a
project
cost
greater
than
that.
We
would
need
to
subsidize
that,
as
you
know,
we
don't
have
additional
funds,
so
we
are
trying
to
find
a
project
that
has
48
units
for
18.5
million,
the
it
must
Target
a
client
group
of
homeless
or
at
risk
of
homelessness.
25
of
the
clients
must
be
women,
women
with
children.
X
It
needs
to
be
affordable
for
20
years,
which
is
great,
and
what
else
should
I
have
I?
Think
that's
it,
but
the
the
money
doesn't
go
as
far
so
when
we
use
our
15
million
dollars.
X
We
are
typically
just
providing
an
equity
component
to
a
project
and
so
that
15
million
can
go
much
farther
than
than
the
rhi
funding
would
go,
which
must
pay
for
the
whole
project.
K
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I
appreciate
it
very
much
so
there's
certain
tags
and
so
you're
out
searching
for
projects
that
are
kind
of
teed
up
you
you've
got
you've,
got
projects
that
get
teed
up
and
are
are
ready
to
go.
I
expect
we
have
a
number
of
those,
because
you
have
to
do
all
that
work
ahead
of
time.
T
Yes,
Mr
chair,
so
we've
done
in
our
RFI
to
the
community
and
we
have
a
number
of
projects
that
are
ready
for
that
funding
more
projects
than
we
actually
have
funding.
For
so
we
can
advance
that
those
expenditures
quite
quickly.
K
So
just
give
me
an
idea
of
how
many
we
have
teed
up
that
that
are
looking
for
funding
that
are
like
this
is
beyond
the
ones
that
we
wish
and
hope
for,
but
ones
that
we've
actually
started
to
do
our
homework
on.
T
So
my
understanding,
Mr
chair
is
that
we
have
a
roughly
about
five
viable
options
that
we
think
could
meet
the
criteria
that
we
could
actually
move
forward
on,
and
we
would
need
to
be
selecting
that,
based
on
the
dollar
value,
to
do
the
work
to
select
how
many
and
which
ones
we
would
actually
move
forward.
On.
K
Okay
yeah:
this
is
this
is
important
to
know,
and
you
just
do.
The
math
18.5
million
for
48
units
means
it's
about
38,
500
per
unit.
Is
that
roughly
the
cost
I
mean
so
that
mean
our
own?
15
million
would
get
roughly
39
units.
E
X
A
half
million
would
would
provide,
are
15
million
under
the
long-range
financial
plan
was
anticipated
to
provide
about
150
units.
It.
K
Okay,
so
15
min
15
million
is
about
150
150
units,
pardon
my
math,
so
that
that's
that's
very
important.
Yeah
I
have
a
question
about
are
using
our
own
land.
There
are
cases
where
we're
going
to
have
land
that
is
available
that
the
city
owns.
How
do
we
factor
that
into
the
cost?
Is
that
a
bonus
like
if
it,
because
it's
our
own
land,
we
don't
include
it
in
that
15
million
or
housing
costs
in
the
budget.
T
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
I.
Think
that's
an
important
Point
and
follow
up
to
some
of
the
delegations
is
that
we
do
provide
land
and
we
have
provided
land
for
non-profit
organizations
to
develop,
but
on
affordable
housing.
In
terms
of
the
mechanics
of
how
that's
applied,
I'll
ask
Lauren
to
answer
that
in
terms
of
how
that
is
part
of
their
contribution
agreements.
X
Thank
you,
Mr
chair.
No,
the
land
is
provided
at
nominal
value.
Essentially
it's
at
no
cost,
and
we
also
find
that
we
need
to
to
allocate
additional
Capital
dollars
as
well
to
to
make
the
project
whole,
but
it
certainly
does
allow
the
non-profit
organization
to
leverage
the
value
of
the
land
when
it
does
finalize
its
financing.
K
Okay,
that's
it
I,
think,
that's
important
to
know
and
I
think
that's
helpful
to
know.
I
I,
it's
a
it's
a
bonus
as
it
were.
So
when
we're
referring
to
projects
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understood.
You
were
talking
about
five
projects
being
ready
to
go,
but
were
you
talking
for
that
for
the
rapid
housing
funding?
We
just
got
her
overall,
but
that'd.
T
Be
a
lot
more
Mr
chair,
no,
that
is
just
for
the
rapid
housing
and
when
we
did
the
call
for
proposals
in
terms
of
what
we
believed
were
going
to
be
the
criteria
based
on
previous
programs.
We
have
over
a
thousand
projects
that
are
ready
in
the
community
for
affordable
housing.
T
Units
units
yeah,
okay,
a
thousand
that
would
be
Wishful
a
thousand
units
over
how
many
projects
one
Thirty,
35,
probably
about
35
projects.
K
Yeah,
yeah
and
I,
you
know
I
can't
help,
but
think
of
Ottawa
Community
Housing
will
be
a
big
part
of
that
and
we'll
certainly,
we
would
be
welcoming
any
any
help
that
we
can
on
in
terms
of
those.
So
much
appreciated,
I
have
a
a
different
question
in
terms
of
planners.
K
One
of
the
things
I
keep
hearing
about,
and
this
is
from
Ottawa
Community
Housing
and
it's
also
from
other
developers
is,
is
the
time
it
takes
for
applications
to
go
through
and
how
they
want
streamlining
to,
because
of
the
fact
that
this
money
has
usually
a
tag
on
it.
For
you
know
time
limit,
you
must
spend
it
before,
and
you
know
in
a
certain
year
and
then
the
process
takes
so
long.
K
Could
this
be
resolved
with
more
planners
I
I,
wonder
if
we
have
a
shortage
and
and
if
we're
having
trouble
hiring
them
or
you
know,
because
I
feel
like
we're.
Our
planners
are
great,
but
I
I
feel
like
they're
very
overworked.
F
Mr
chairs,
certainly
you
know
we
are
seeing
challenges
in
Ottawa
across
Ontario
in
terms
of
firing
planners
right
now.
So
there's
yes,
there
is
always
we're
always
on
the
prowl
for
for
new
Talent,
as
as
people
leave
and
move
on.
K
Okay,
but
is
is,
is
that?
How
is
that
reflected.
F
For
the
use
of
the
language
there
in
terms
of
the
specifics,
we
do
prioritize
these
files.
F
Quite
often
there
are
challenges,
and
sometimes
there
is
you
know,
I'm
thinking
of
a
recent
example,
there's
a
change
in
the
plan
that
has
been
previously
approved
that
affects
och's
time
and
and
unfortunately,
those
kind
of
situations
do
require
time
to
work
through.
So
certainly
we
do
prioritize
these
files
to
the
extent
we
can,
but
as
as
plans,
sometimes
change.
There
is
additional
time
required
to
work
through
and
us
Derek
if
he
has
anything
that.
Z
Just
add
that,
as
part
of
our
work
in
responding
to
Bill,
23
and
Bill,
109
We
are
continuing
to
look
at
opportunities
to
streamline
our
planning
process
to
bring
some
of
those
processes
forward,
and-
and
you
know,
we
do
have
dedicated
timelines
or
legislative
timelines-
that
we
have
to
respond
under
Bill
23.
And
so
you
know,
while
it
would
be
nice
to
have
you
know,
a
countless
number
of
new
planners
or
Engineers
to
work
on
files.
At
the
same
time,
we
are
also
seeing
we're
looking
for
ways
to
streamline
within
our
own
process.
Z
You
know
at
this
point
in
time
it's
it's
probably
a
little
premature
to
be
looking
to
ramp
up
staff
numbers
when
we
haven't
yet
seen
signals
of
the
housing
market,
picking
up
activity.
And
so
you
know,
there
is
some
validity
to
the
concerns
raised
by
our
applicants,
whether
it
be
OCH
or
others
around
around
our
timelines
and
we're
continuing
to
work
to
find
solutions
to
that.
K
Okay,
oh
thank
you
I,
appreciate
that,
and
you
know
I
worry
about
it.
I
mean
we
worry
about
bus
schedules,
you
know
and
and
how
we're,
because
the
shortage
of
drivers
we
have
issues
in
keeping
up
so
I
I
figure,
it's
the
same
bottleneck
with
planners
and
that
we
this
and
I
imagine
that
the
workload,
if
maybe
you
can
you
can
tell
me
this
is-
is
a
workload
from
the
provincial
legislation,
an
issue
in
terms
of
just
the
planners
times.
It
overall.
Z
I,
don't
know
that
there'll
be
a
through
the
chair.
I,
don't
know
that
there
will
be
a
significant
increase
in
workload
as
a
result
of
those
timelines.
It
is
looking
to
constrain
the
applications
to
within
a
certain
window.
So
you
know
there'll
be
a
greater
intensity
on
an
application
in
that
window.
Z
But,
overall
you
know
it's
dependent
on
the
number
of
applications
we
receive,
and
you
know
the
amount
of
effort
that
we
have
to
go
through
that
there
there
are
some
reductions
expected
as
a
result
of
some
of
those
provincial
changes,
the
the
increase,
for
instance,
and
the
number
of
units
that
are
exempt
from
site
plan
control
will
have
an
impact
on
on
our
application
numbers
as
well,
and
and
should
hopefully
free
up
resources
as
we
go
through
the
transition.
K
Okay,
that's
all
for
now!
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
Brockington.
AA
Thank
you
chair
before
I
ask
a
few
questions.
I
just
wanted
to
state
that
I
had
left
earlier
to
make
a
presentation
at
the
Police,
Services,
Board
finance
and
audit
committee
meeting
and
I
just
note:
it's
difficult
to
balance
two
major
committees,
budget
meetings
at
exactly
the
same
time.
So
if
we
can
have
better
coordination
next
year,
that
would
be
appreciated.
AA
I
just
want
to
Echo
us
previous
comments
about
the
dollars
allocated
for
new
housing
in
the
capital
budget
councils
declared
an
emergency
in
housing
and
homelessness.
We
have
inflationary
costs,
impacting
the
industry
I've
never
seen
such
a
greater
Focus
for
my
residence
on
housing
and
homelessness
issues
than
there
is
right
now,
so
that
Echoes
or
aligns
with
counselor
Menards
comments
earlier
on
and
I
do
think
there
needs
to
be
greater
movement
here
in
this
budget.
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
my
comments
to
that
as
well.
AA
My
one
question
on
the
budget
page
53,
the
15
million
dollars,
is
broken
down
into
three
different
pockets
of
money.
Tax
supported
is
about
two-thirds
dedicated
and
the
one
is
debt
and
the
other
development
charges.
So
could
staff
just
talk
me
through
these
three
pots?
Are
we
spreading
it
out
Simply
to
spread
it
out,
so
one
budget
line
doesn't
have
to
provide
the
15
million
dollars
all
at
once
or
why
isn't
it
333
about
one?
Third,
one?
Third,
one
third
just
talk
me
through
this
develop
this
splitting.
Please.
G
Through
the
chair,
yes,
so
in
terms
of
the
long-range
financial
plan,
what
that
reflects
is
you
know?
We
started
this
plan
in
2021
and
I'll
reference
it
right
directly.
At
the
time
we
had
a
six
million
dollar
base,
and
then
there
was
you
know,
one-time
funding
of
7.7
million.
Our
plan
over
the
term
is
basically
over.
The
terminal
lrfp
was
to
grow
our
base
to
10
million.
G
So
we're
right
there
right
now
in
terms
of
the
base
contribution
from
a
cash
perspective
that
overall
plan
to
get
to
15
million
was
also
a
component
of
the
debt
and
some
DC
charges.
If
you
do
look
at
the
overall
plan,
we
had
we
had
more
debt
in
the
earlier
years,
but
then
we
slowly
reduced
some
of
that
as
we're
building
the
base
up.
So
that
goes
back
to
my
earlier
comment
in
this
budget.
G
If
you
reference
the
operating
section,
there's
a
one
million
dollar
increase
to
build
that
base
so
from
a
cash
perspective
of
the
15
million,
we're
building
that
base
to
10
million
in
cash
and
then
the
other
components
to
get
the
residual
5
million
to
get
to
the
15
million.
And
it's
a
component
of
some
debt
and
then
some
DC
charges.
AA
And
sticking
with
that
that
page
page
53
of
this
budget
right
now,
the
multi-year
plan,
according
to
this
page,
is
15
million
dollar
investment
in
2024
2025
2026.
AA
Is
that
still
the
plan
on
paper
now
until
there's
a
different
course
of
action
approved
by
Council.
G
Through
the
chair
correct,
so
this
plan
is
aligned
to
the
existing
lrfp,
which
I
committed
to
earlier
the
comeback
this
year.
With
a
revision
of
that
plan,
excellent.
AA
Okay,
I
think
there
would
be
some
benefits
to
if
staff
could.
Please
provide
all
members
of
council
with
a
slide
that
I
saw
as
part
of
the
housing
briefing
that
we
had
in
this
room
a
couple
weeks
ago,
some
colleagues
reference
the
city's
investment
in
housing
on
an
annual
basis
to
be
15
million
dollars
and
I
think
the
presentation
indicated
it's
closer
to
200
million,
because
there's
a
difference
between
brand
new
housing,
that's
being
built
versus
contributions
to
co-ops
and
affordable
housing
and
social
housing
and
the
upkeep
of
social
housing.
AA
Good
to
take
into
if
we're
contemplating
changes
to
this
budget,
the
other
questions
I
have
are
more
directed
to
Mr,
herwire
and
I.
Think
it
piggybacks
on
what
counselor
Kavanaugh
was
getting
to,
and
that
is
in
my
eight
plus
years
now.
I've
never
spoke
to
anyone
in
the
planning
department.
That
said,
you
know
Riley.
We
have
nothing
to
do
or
we
look
out
the
window.
We
just
wish
an
application
would
come
in.
It's
the
exact
opposite.
It's
we
are,
and
these
are
my
words
overwhelmed
every
year.
AA
Yes,
there's
some
fluctuation
in
numbers,
but,
with
you
know,
pressures
of
hiring
staff
retirements.
AA
AA
Staff
always
try
and
give
us
an
answer
that
says
yes,
we'll
make
do
with
what
we
have.
But
what
is
the
reality?
That's
happening
are
benchmarks
being
met.
Are
there
red
flags
with
these
provincial
timelines?
What
are
you
anticipating
for
a
refund
levels
in
this
year,
in
particular,
if
we
could
have
a
better
understanding?
That
would
be
great.
F
Thanks
for
the
question,
I'll
start
and
either
Mr,
Moody
or
Mr
Rogers
may
wish
to
add.
So
certainly
we're
looking
at
that
right
now,
the
bill
109
Bill
23
impacts.
We
will
be
bringing
a
report
forward
in
Q2
that
look
at
those
additional
resources
that
we're
in
the
process
of
identifying.
Given
the
timeline
issue,
conservation
authorities,
reduced
role
in
the
planning
process,
a
number
of
factors
at
play
there,
so
we
will
be
bringing
that
report
back
to
committee
for
consideration
and
certainly
in
terms
of
a
budget
impact.
F
The
province
did
shift
the
effective
date
to
July
1st
of
this
year.
So
we
wouldn't
see
those
impacts.
You
know
based
on
the
timelines
till
till
late
in
2023,
so
we're
we're
anticipating
you
know,
minimal
impacts
as
a
result
of
those
changes
for
2023
and
in
the
in
the
meantime,
we're
working
on
that
report
that
will
hopefully
address
any
gaps.
Z
Foreign
just
to
add
to
that
Mr
chair
from
a
staff
perspective,
you
know,
I,
think
it's
I
I
certainly
appreciate
the
counselor's
empathy
towards
our
staff
and
our
staff
have
gone
through
throughout
the
pandemic,
an
incredible
Surge
and
applications
and
development
activity
through
2020
and
2021
and
I'm.
Conscious
of
that,
and
certainly
there
was
a
great
deal
of
fatigue
and
stress
Honor
on
our
staff
and
and
I'm,
not
insensitive
to
that
we
have
had
a
reduction
in
application
volumes
coming
through.
Z
Z
And
so,
at
this
point
in
time,
I
I,
you
know,
while
I'm,
while
I'm
conscious
of
my
staff
and
their
well-being
and
their
ability
to
provide
excellent
service
to
our
clients
I'm,
also
in
a
period
where
we're
seeing
a
decline
and
in
activity
levels
and-
and
you
know-
and
that
is
something
that
is
of
of
concern
to
me
as
well
and
I.
Z
That
we
can,
you
know,
find
a
more
sustainable
level
for
development
and
be
in
a
position
to
respond
when
the
housing
market
sort
of
ramps
back
up
and
and
that
we're
we're
seeing
more
activity.
You
know
as
we,
if
we
do
see
those
signals
coming,
that
would
be
a
more
appropriate,
a
more
appropriate
time.
In
my
opinion
to
be
coming
forward
with
with
an
ask
for
additional.
AA
Resources:
okay,
fair
enough.
Thank
you.
Can
staff
confirm
that
this
budget
allocate
sufficient
resources
to
complete
the
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
review.
F
AA
That's
good,
thank
you.
When
does
the
planning
work
plan
come
before
this
Council.
AA
F
The
intention
is
to
outline
the
you
know
the
work
plan
items
over
the
the
term
of
counsel
and
indicate
what
staff
are
able
to
deliver
based
on
existing
resources.
And
then
you
know
look
at
if
there
were
additional
resources
provided
what
we
could
deliver.
So.
AA
Okay,
fair
enough
and
now
into
the
minutia,
because
this
stuff
drives
me
crazy,
Road,
Cut,
Road
cuts
I,
see
there's
a
fee
for
Road
cut.
My
issue
is
Road
cuts
that
are
not
brought
back
to
the
same
road
condition
left
to
Four
Season
and
become
part
of
the
roller
coaster
ride
that
motorists
go
through
on
roads,
Can
staff
talk
to
me
about
my
understanding
is:
there's
a
greater
awareness
and
frustration
from
the
public
about
quote,
unquote,
fixing
or
Road
cut
and.
AA
Monitoring
within
the
first,
let's
just
say
year
of
the
condition
of
that
fixed
Road
cut,
which
in
many
cases
is
not
fixed
to
the
standard
that
we
expect.
So
who
pays
for
that
to
be
fixed
again
and
what's
basically
the
warranty
that
the
city
holds
the
contractor
to.
V
The
chair,
I'll
I'll,
start
that
one
we
do
have
four
right-of-way
inspectors
that
are
full-time
assigned
to
row,
cuts.
That
was
an
investment
that
Council
made
two
years
ago.
We
received
about
7
000
Road
cut
applications
last
year,
so
it
is
quite
substantial.
We
do
have
a
two-year
warranty
process
in
place,
so
those
four
inspectors
are
mandated
to
go
back
and
inspect
the
work
and
cash
bonds
where
necessary
and
or
undertake
enforcement.
You'll
note
in
the
budget.
AA
V
So
we
undertake
chair
three
inspections
through
the
duration
of
those
two
years,
one
when
the
cut
is
put
in
oftentimes,
it's
a
temporary
cut,
if
it's
the
winter,
a
second
midterm
cut
and
then
a
final
cut
to
where
we
would
reduce
the
warranty,
Bond
95
percent
of
the
time.
The
issue
is
resolved
through
through
collaboration
and
the
cut
is
redone
five
percent
of
the
time
we
do
contract
the
work
to
be
redone
ourselves.
AA
Okay,
that's
great
thank
you
for
that.
My
final
question
is
regarding
the
implementation
date
of
new
or
fee
increases
for
various
permits
and
perhaps
licenses
as
outlined
in
the
budget.
The
date
is
April
1st.
Is
there
a
requirement
to
notify
the
public
30
days
notice
before
the
fees
can
be
implemented
or
why
are
they
not
implemented
the
day?
This
budget
will
be
passed
which
will
be
March
1st.
G
So,
from
a
from
an
overall
perspective,
I
can
speak
to
really
it's
the
time
for
us
to
get
those
fees
through
the
system
and
get
them
active
is
what
it
comes
down
to.
Is
that
like
we
can
prejudge
and
have
it
ready
to
go
so
we
click
the
button
per
se
on
March
1st,
so
it
gives
us
that
a
little
bit
of
window
to
kind
of
get
it
in
play
in
the
election.
You
obviously
think
shift
in
a
normal
year.
AA
Great
thanks
to
Mr
chair
for
the
opportunity
to
ask
those
questions.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
Brockington
Council
Johnson.
J
Thank
you,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
Charmaine
and
your
team
a
couple
questions.
I
know
that
you
are
planning
a
town
hall
I
think
in
the
month
of
March
to
to
discuss
the
implications
for
Bill,
23
and
Bill
109
on
planning.
I
I
am
very
much
in
support
of
Greater
transparency
in
public
education
when
it
comes
to
these
types
of
changes
within
planning.
It's
a
really
hot
button
issue.
Obviously,
planning
changes
and
seeing
your
neighborhood
changes
within
this
budget.
J
Are
there
other
anticipated
public
participation,
moments
or
civic
education
opportunities
that
are
coming
forward
or
looking
to
2024
and
Beyond?
Do
you
have
continued
aspirations
to
to
grow
those
types
of
offerings
like
I
know
the
planning
primer.
You
do
twice
a
year.
You
know
I
used
to
work
with
Barb
everybody
loved
it
small.
You
know
they
were
always
very
well
attended,
so
you
know
how
can
we
invest
in
creating
greater
public
participation
in
our
planning.
P
Actually
tonight
there
is
a
planning
primer
that
we're
doing
tonight
for
the
public
as
well,
and
they
always
do
I'm
always
very
encouraged
and
surprised
how
we
get
to
so
many
participants
each
and
every
time
we
will
be
doing
on
March
7th.
We
will
be
doing
bill
23
and
and
bill
109.
again
it
I
find
planning,
is
complex
and
so
putting
it.
So
the
public
can
understand
what
planning
is
and
the
changes.
P
Also
we
do
do
electives,
so
we
will
be
doing
electives
throughout
the
year
for
an
education
and
awareness
piece,
and
so
as
legislation
changes,
we
will
be
going
out
and
Advising
the
public
with
those
changes
and
the
electives
we
do.
We
did
one
on
Heritage.
We
did
one
on
the
DC's
DCS.
We
will
be
doing
an
elective
on
DC's
as
it
comes
due
in
May
2024.
So
all
of
those
opportunities,
the
zoning,
will
be
a
big
piece
with
the
new
bylaw
of
the
zoning.
P
A
K
Thank
you.
I.
We've
just
heard
that
the
the
number
of
applications
are
down
from
the
that
are
coming
in.
I
was
just
at
the
housing
Summit
yesterday
who
confirmed
that
too.
What
real
estate
persons
who
are
involved
in
that
in
terms
of
workload
for
the
planners,
and
this
is
budget
related?
Is
it
a
good
time
to
up
the
non-profit,
affordable
applications
at
that
time,
when
we
see
that
the
workload
is
dropping
on
the
on
the
commercial
and
for-profit
applications.
F
Foreign
ly,
we
would
welcome
applications
and,
as
we
heard
yesterday,
typically
when
there's
a
downturn
in
the
in
the
private
sector,
housing
market
there's
often
a
corresponding
increase.
So
certainly,
we
would
be
well
positioned
to
support
any
of
those
applications
that
come
forward.
K
Thank
you
and
I
I
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
those
primers.
Those
are
really
helpful
and
to
the
public
I've
been
advocating
for
them
to,
for
people
to
go,
see
them
and
I
would
ask
that.
Maybe
we
consider
in
the
future
one
specifically
on
Interurban
and
outer
Urban,
so
that
for
for
specific
audiences,
that
would
be
very
helpful.
Thank
you.
AB
A
So,
currently,
we
have
two
motions
on
the
table,
one
of
which
would
refer
the
Federation
citizens,
association's
suggestions
for
the
CFA
two-step
and
a
CFA
for
reply,
and
the
other
motion
addresses
patio
fees
by
facing
in
the
increase
in
a
way
that
is,
revenue
neutral
within
its
own
budget.
AB
A
One's
suggested
they're
going
to
bring
a
motion
at
today's
committee
meeting
we're
going
to
work
within
the
rules
that
require
an
offset
yeah,
but
a
committee
as
a
whole.
Of
course
those
rules
change
so
right
now
there
is
no
motion
to
change
the
amount
of
money,
that's
being
dedicated
on
the
capital
side
to
affordable
housing.
AB
A
I'm,
more
than
happy
to
extend
some
latitude
to
push
anything.
That's
that's
critical!.
AB
A
A
Did
anyone
want
to
wrap
up
or
or
make
any
further
statements
before
we
move
to
a
vote?
Councilor
Brockington
just.
AA
On
the
FCA
motion,
the
delivery
date
is
the
end
of
this
year
and
I'm
just
wondering,
because
this
is
one
of
the
the
think
part
two
of
the
motion
was
to
talk
about
staff
comments
coming
to
this
committee
by
the
end
of
the
calendar
year
and
I'm.
Just
wondering
why
that's
so
late.
Is
that
not
possible
to
be
done
by
the
end
of
Q2.
A
F
Thank
you
chair.
We
did
not
comment
on
the
you
know
the
timeline,
but
I
guess
the
unknown
is,
is
how
long
it
would
take
the
committee
of
adjustment
to
to
respond
to
their
piece.
As
you
know,
we
do
have
multiple
reports
coming
in
terms
of
you
know:
Bill
23,
Bill,
109,
work,
plan,
housing
pledge,
there's
a
lot
coming
in
the
next
few
months,
so
I
I
would
Endeavor
to
deliver
as
soon
as
possible,
but
I
would
hate
to
say,
like
Q2.
AA
A
A
That
amenable
as
a
friendly
motion
to
the
to
the
Mover
fantastic
so
with
that
friendly
Amendment,
then
so
with
a
summary
by
the
end
of
Q3
2023.
Is
that
motion
carried?
Thank
you.
We
also
have
a
motion
with
respect
to
patio
fees
and
phasing
in
the
increases
to
those
is
that
carried
buried?
Okay,
so
put
the
roadmap
motion
on
the
board.
A
It
is
essentially
a
motion
to
approve
the
proposed
planning
and
housing
committee
budget
broken
down
into
multiple
phases.
I
I
think
what
I
would
simply
ask
is
whether
a
committee
is
willing
to
approve
the
motion
as
a
whole
and
Shout
out
your
descents
to
page
53.
If,
if
you
still
choose
so,
is
that
motion
carried.
AA
A
From
counselor
Kavanaugh
councilor
troster
councilor,
Brockington,
counselor,
Johnson,
excellent,
okay.
So
that's
the
vote
on
the
budget
that
is
Kerry.
Thank
you
very
much
staff
for
your
work
on
that
and
thank
you
very
much
to
colleagues
for
their
work
in
in
exploring
the
budget,
and
this
is
obviously
one
of
the
most
important
jobs
that
we
have
moving
on
through
the
rest
of
the
agenda.
I,
don't
believe
we
have
any
in-camera
items.
Are
there
any
notices
of
motion
or
subsequent
meeting
seen?
None?
Are
there
any
inquiries
seen
none?
We
have
no
other
business.
A
The
meeting
is
adjourned.
Thank
you
very
much.
Colleagues.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
on
February
27th.