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Planning and Housing Committee - April 5, 2023
A
Catherine's
counting
this
down
good
morning,
everyone
welcome
to
the
planning
and
housing
committee.
Note
I
will
just
start
off
by
noting
that
we
are
located
on
the
unseated
territory
of
the
Algonquin
National
navigation,
whose
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continued
to
nurture.
This
land
is.
A
C
A
Thank
you
very
much
so
I'll
note
that
this
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
compo
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
in
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
4.1,
4.2
and
4.4
to
4.8
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted.
May
appeal,
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
May
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
A
If
Council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
bylaw,
Amendment
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments
prior
to
their
consideration
by
City
Council
on
April,
the
12th
2023,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
or
Council
coordinator.
We
have
a
relatively
quick
agenda
today.
I
think
there
are
no
delegations
for
most
of
the
items
so
for
the
applicants.
Just
before
prepared
I
will
be
asking
you
fairly
quickly,
whether
you're
prepared
to
see
the
item
carried
or
not.
A
C
A
Fantastic
on
to
the
agenda
we'll
see
what
we
need
to
hold
first
item:
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
326
and
330
will
broad.
There
are
no
delegations
on
this
item.
Did
any
members
of
the
committee
want
that
held
and
for
the
applicant
Nova
Tech?
Are
you
you
need
to
speak
if
we're
prepared
to
carry
this
item.
C
C
D
A
C
A
Have
nothing
to
say
amazing:
is
this
item
carried?
Thank
you.
We
are
going
to
hold
there's
a
delegation,
I
believe
from
the
hittenberg
Community
Association
on
the
right-of-way
patio
bylaw
update
new
Urban
Design
guidelines
for
commercial
patios,
and
there
is
also
a
staff
presentation.
If,
if
we
need
I,
think
many
people
have
seen
that
at
the
transportation
committee
next
item
on
the
agenda,
is
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
375
in
Orleans?
There
are
no
delegations
on
this
item.
Did
any
members
of
the
committee
want
to
see
this
care
held?
A
A
The
item
at
2140,
Baseline
Road-
there
are
no
delegations
on
this
item.
Evan
Saunders
and
Matt
mcgelliott
from
Photon
are
here
to
speak,
if
required.
A
few
members
of
the
committee
wish
to
have
this
one
held
no
Evan
or
Matt
at
Pho
10.
If
the
committee
is
prepared
to
carry
this
item,
did
you
still
wish
to
speak
to
it?
No
chair?
Thank
you
very
much.
Members
of
the
committee
is
this
item
carried.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
A
You
very
much
members
of
the
committee
is
this
item
carried
the
item
for
949
North
River
Road
in
Rideau
rock
cliff.
There
are
no
delegations
who
wish
to
speak
to
the
item.
Nathan
Peterson
with
Photon,
as
well
as
various
other
team
members,
are
here
to
speak
to
the
item.
If
need
be
members
of
the
committee,
if
do
you
need
this?
One
held
nope,
see
no
sorry
see
no
one
desire
to
hold
it
Nathan.
If
the
committee
is
prepared
to
carry
this,
do
you
still
wish
to
speak
to
it.
A
What
we
will
come
back
and
I
believe
the
first
item
that's
held
is
the
right-of-way
patio,
bylaw
updates
and
new
Urban
Design
guidelines
for
commercial
patios
I.
Believe
most
members
of
the
committee
have
seen
the
presentation.
Do
any
members
of
the
committee
really
want
to
see
the
presentation
provided
again
something?
F
Good
morning,
everyone
well
that's
the
fastest
meeting
ever
I
must
say
so.
We
do
support
the
addition
of
patios
along
traditional
main
streets.
We've
got
about
15,
patios
or
cafe,
table
areas,
and
they
really
do
enhance
and
animate
the
street.
But
we
have
one
issue
in
particular,
and
anyone
from
Transportation
committee
will
have
seen
most
of
this,
but
I'm
back
here
for
a
specific
reason
related
to
zoning.
F
So
if
you
could
bring
up
slide,
two,
please
regular
education
and
reminders
are
important
to
keep
the
clear
pedestrian
path
to
at
least
1.8
meters,
which
what
is
what
you
have
on
the
left.
So
when
you
get
those
A-frames
creeping
out
into
the
pedestrian
path
and
bikes
and
dogs
and
everything
attached
to
the
street
Furniture,
it
really
does
narrow
that
pathway.
So
two
meters
is
a
more
appropriate
clearway
next
slide,
please
so
the
suggested
design
guidelines
we
we
do
agree
with
that.
F
F
Then
you
have
to
turn
another
90
degrees
to
get
back
on
that
straight
path,
and
you
can
see
that
it
is
a
bit
sloped
there
next
slide.
Sometimes
you
have
to
squeeze
past
people
waiting
to
cross
at
the
signalized
crosswalk,
which
is
probably
the
longest
pedestrian
light
ever
it
takes
forever
to
turn.
So
sometimes
someone
has
to
back
into
the
patio
entrance
to
let
others
squeeze
by
e
next
slide
is
the
same
intersection,
but
in
the
winter-
and
this
is
the
snowplow
can't
get
by
to
plow
this
intersection.
F
So
as
a
snow
mole
team
leader,
this
is
clearly
a
fail.
City
staff
have
now
required
the
patio
owner
to
clear
the
crosswalk
himself,
but
when
the
restaurant
is
closed,
it
still
doesn't
happen
so
winter
use
of
patios
and
removing
infrastructure
off
of
the
street
patio
infrastructure
is
a
concern,
and
so
this
has
resulted
in
a
lot
of
service
requests
and
next
slide.
F
Those
A-frames
just
keep
creeping
out
so
constant
reminders
are
really
important
so
that
people
can
actually
get
by
on
the
sidewalk.
So
we
submit
that
this
particular
example
is
an
example
of
ableism
and
it's
an
accessibility
and
safety
issue
for
those
with
low
or
impaired
vision
and
some
mobility
issues.
F
So
please
bring
an
equity
lens
to
these
guidelines
and
yearly
approvals
and
we're
happy
to
continue
to
work
with
right-of-way
staff
to
ensure
that
the
patios
enhance
the
community,
but
that
they
also
work
for
everyone
for
safety
and
accessibility
and
putting
pedestrians
at
risk
to
accommodate
patios
that
really
don't
fit
a
location
is
an
issue.
Thank
you.
A
D
Great,
thank
you
very
much,
Mr,
chair
and
Cheryl.
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
As
chair
of
Transportation
I
see
my
vice
chair,
Vice,
chair
kits
on
here
as
well.
We
have
made
note
of
what
you've
brought
up.
It
is
a
concern
for
sure
and
staff
are
making
note
of
it
as
well.
Just
so
that
you
have
some
assurance
that
your
presentations
that
these
delegate
as
a
delegation
isn't
isn't
just
something
that
we're
you
know
breezing
through.
We
actually
take
notice
of.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
attorney
for
staff.
I
know,
I,
saw
these
photos
and-
and
you
know,
there's
often
there's
been
a
lot
of
Correspondence
around
with
this
one.
Can
you
give
this
committee
some
reassurance
that
these
sort
of
situations
are
are
going
to
be
well
managed
if
we
approve
these
good
design
guidelines.
E
Thank
you,
chair
Lieber.
Yes,
we
can
certainly
work
directly
with
the
hintonburg
Community
Association
to
resolve
their
issues
and
we're
optimistic
that
the
guidelines
are
a
really
critical
step
in
terms
of
working
with
the
community
working
with
the
public
working
with
Council
and
business
operators
to
clearly
identify
what
those
requirements
are,
such
as
the
two
meter
clearway.
So
we
think
that
this
guideline
is
a
really
critical
document
to
get
everybody
on
the
same
page
and
in
addition
to
that,
in
this
instance
we'll
be
doing
a
walkabout.
This
spring
cnib
will
be
involved
as
well.
E
A
I
think
I
saw
that
come
across
my
desk
this
morning,
so
I'm
pleased
to
see
that
you're
taking
it
seriously.
Cheryl
has
asked
that
staff
make
a
site
visit
prior
to
authorizing
patios
so
outside
the
content
text
of
this
particular
one,
which
obviously
has
created
a
lot
of
discussion,
is
that
something
that
you
will
do
is
visit
the
sites
to
see
what
the
context-specific
constraints
might
be
before
approving
patios.
E
Through
you
chair,
it
is
a
challenge
given
the
volume,
so
we
have
approximately
170
permits
annually.
A
lot
of
them
are
returning
permit
holders,
so
we
are
aware
of
the
locations
where
we
have
issues
and
we
work
with
those
sites
specifically
and
we'll
go
out
in
advance
and
work
with
them.
Also,
we
go
post
if
there
is
an
issue,
but
if
there's
a
new
patio
proposed,
we
certainly
can
look
at
various
options.
E
If
there
is
missing
information
related
to
utilities,
we
certainly
can
do
that
for
some
of
our
new
patios
there's
also
a
circulation
process.
So
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
really
important
mechanism
both
for
the
communities,
so
the
community
and
members
of
council
will
be
circulated
for
new
patios
right
away,
patios
within
their
Ward.
So
it's
an
opportunity
for
people
to
identify
if
there's
anything
that
we
may
not
be
able
to
to
know
about
on
the
ground
that
that
we
can
address
in
advance
of
issuance
of
a
permit.
A
G
G
You
probably
know
the
area
well
and
a
lot
of
seniors
have
asked
us
you
know:
can
they
not
take
up
so
much
the
sidewalk,
but
the
other
option
from
the
all
the
designs
that
are
in
the
report
is
to
have
a
walk
through,
but
I.
Don't
know
that
I
think
people,
because
they're
very
polite,
think
oh
I
can't
walk.
This
is
the
middle
of
a
restaurant
and
people
are
eating
and
I
don't
want
to
be
saying.
Oh
look!
That's
nice
to
chicken
wing
there.
G
So
you
know
you
get
they're
a
little
embarrassed,
so
it's
not
clear
to
them
and
and
particularly
for
seniors
that
they
think
oh
I,
wouldn't
just
walk
into
somebody's
eating
area
is.
Is
there?
Is
it
part
of
it
at
all
that
there
are
signs
saying
please
walk
through
the
center,
because
this
patio
does
come
right
out
and
the
only
alternative
is
to
walk
into
oncoming
traffic.
E
E
So
in
terms
of
signage,
it's
certainly
something
that
we
don't
have
indicated
in
the
guidelines
for
right-of-way
patios,
but
in
that
instance
you're
flagging.
It's
certainly.
Hopefully
the
guidelines
will
system
or
providing
some
clarity
in
terms
of
how
they
can
design
things
to
be
more
pedestrian
friendly.
Super.
G
E
Through
you,
chair,
I,
think
that's
an
excellent
suggestion.
I
think
we
we
circulated
okobia
at
the
outset
of
this
process
and
now
that
the
guidelines
are
upon
Council
approval,
we'll
we
will
move
back
with
a
Cobia
and
any
bias
that
are
interested
and
provide
them
with
a
copy
of
the
guidelines
and
and
I
think
support
them
as
necessary
right,
even
if
it's
on
private
property.
So.
E
H
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
so
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
what
this
might
mean
for
my
ward,
I
support,
College
Ward
and
we
don't
have
commercial
on
Main,
Streets
or
minor
corridors.
Yet,
and
so
I
I
asked
my
staff
to
look
at
the
streets
that
might
be
affected
in
the
future,
and
some
of
them
that
were
coming
up
were
Meadowlands
Tallwood,
Center,
Point,
Navajo,
south
of
Baseline,
Iris
and
Maitland.
H
So
I've
missed
a
couple
opportunities
that
transportation
to
talk
about
the
implications
for
that,
but
we
can
come
around
to
it
again,
but
can
you
sort
of
cast
forward
for
us
for
the
wards
that
might
see
zoning
change
in
the
future?
How
we
might
be
able
to
capitalize
on
some
of
this
Economic
Development
opportunity,
because
the
vibrancy
that
these
patios
bring
is
is
wonderful
and,
and
it
really
it
creates
an
attractive
area
for
people
to
enjoy.
I
want
to
welcome
this
kind
of
development
for
my
minor
corridor
and
Main
Streets
moving
forward.
H
E
So
I
think
it's
an
excellent
flag
for
our
team
to
be
looking
out
for
opportunities
on
some
of
these
minor
corridors
city-wide
in
more
Suburban
locations
that
are
evolving
to
provide
public
realm.
You
know
beyond
just
a
park,
so
it's
definitely
an
excellent
flag
and
something
we
try
to
get
in
at
the
ground
floor
and
and
make
sure
that
there's
opportunity
for
a
public
realm
that
can
be
animated.
I
Just
to
build
on
what
the
what
Mark
mentioned,
you
know
we
do
as
we
as
we
look
at
some
of
these
communities.
You
know
Bell's
Corners
is
an
example
on
Robertson
Road,
where
that
Community
was
developed.
You
know
in
the
60s
and
70s
with
a
more
Auto
focused
development
pattern
with
you
know,
building
set
far
back
from
the
street
as
we
are
looking
at
a
lot
of
these
developments
and
Redevelopment
of
those
commercial
areas.
We
are
seeing
those
buildings
come
up
forward.
A
good
example,
not
quite
in
your
ward,
I,
don't
think
I.
I
Think
it's
just
outside
of
your
ward.
Is
the
the
former
I
think
it's
Confederation,
High
School
site
at
Baseline
and
I
want
to
say
Maryville,
but
it's
not
memorable
there
Woodruff.
Yes,
you
know,
and-
and
there
is
an
opportunity
for
patios
with
some
of
those
commercial
developments
that
come
forward
there
and
there
was,
as
we
went
through,
that
site
plan
application,
while
I
wasn't
involved.
I
am
aware
that
there
was
Provisions
for
patios
along
that
sidewalk
and
an
extra
width
of
sidewalk
included
there.
H
Great
we'll
look
forward
to
that
as
part
of
our
conversations
moving
forward
with
the
with
the
official
plan
in
place.
I
know
that
the
residents
of
college
Ward
and
likely
other
Urban
outer
Urban
Wards
are
really
interested
in
creating
those
walkable
neighborhoods
and
supporting
local
businesses.
So
we
just
need
to
make
the
right
environments
for
them
to
build
so
that
we
can
shop
there.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Seeing
no
further
questions
are
the
report
recommendations
to
approve
the
Urban
Design
guidelines
for
commercial
patios
in
document
2
carried.
Thank
you
very
much.
That
leads
us
to
our
final
item
on
substantial
agenda.
366
Winona,
Avenue,
councilor
Johnson
had
asked
that
that
be
held.
So
when
staff
had
an
opportunity
to
take
their
seats,
I.
H
H
Hi
Masha
nice
to
meet
you
and
thank
you.
Mr
chair
for
the
Indulgence,
so
I
had
exchanged
some
some
notes
with
Masha
yesterday,
but
I
was
hoping
that
we
would
be
able
to
create
a
teachable
moment
for
me
about
the
stormwater
management
plan
for
Winona,
because
I
think
that
again,
you
know
as
we're
welcoming
density
into
some
of
the
other
neighborhoods
storm.
H
H
Is
why
I'm
making
sure
it's
all
about
me
right
now,
so
the
maximum
post-development
release
rate
during
the
100
Year
event
was
calculated
to
be
equal
to
the
maximum
allowable,
so
just
within
that
sentence
as
a
layperson
when
something
is
equal
to
the
maximum
allowable
and
with
no
wiggle
room.
That
makes
me
think
that
it's
at
a
threshold
that
ends
up
being
of
concern.
H
So
can
someone
help
me
to
understand
when
something
is
equal
to
a
maximum
allowable
that
there
actually
is
a
threshold
for
error
where
we
get
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
create
situations
like
I
know
the
area
that
this
this
development
is
coming
into?
It's
at
the
bottom
of
Churchill.
They
already
have
a
great
deal
or
they
have
had
some
issues
with
pooling
and
then
freezing
which
creates
sort
of
ice,
rinks
and
so
I.
H
Just
I
wonder
what
that
means
this
equal
to
the
maximum
allowable,
and
you
did
send
me
back
a
the
way
that
it's
mitigated,
which
is
that
an
inlet
control
device
is
proposed
to
control
the
release.
But
that's
not
actually
what
I'm
thinking
about
I'm
thinking
about
what
does
it
mean
when
something
is
equal
to
a
threshold?
Is
that
good
enough
for
us
when
it
comes
to
storm
water
management?
That's
my
question.
J
So
the
you
know
through
you,
Mr
chair,
thank
you
for
the
question
it
it
meets
our
standards
and
the
storm
weather
Water
Management
report
demonstrates
that
that
the
applicant
is
providing
the
storm
water
management
on
site
and
because
the
application
was
Prior
had
the
Cyclone
control
application.
Also
not
only
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
application.
J
We
had
the
chance
to
review
this
storm
water
management
capacities
and
quantity
control,
and
the
application
also
will
be
an
agenda
for
April
19
Committee
of
adjustment
comment
hearing,
sorry,
and
during
that
time
it
will
be
also
reviewed,
and
if
the
conditions
will
be
needed,
they
will
be
imposed.
Okay,
okay,
thank.