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Planning Committee meeting – May 12, 2015 – Audio Stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
B
B
Official
comments:
this
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
men
miss
Lissa's
items
1
to
4
on
today's
agenda,
for
the
items
listed
above.
Only
those
who
make
all
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
interior
Municipal
Board.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
interior
ministry.
B
Board
of
counsel
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
120
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
180
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
a
comment
sheet
is
available
at
the
door.
If
you
wish
to
sign
up
to
speak,
please
do
so.
I
do
have
some
people
that
already
have
so
we'll
go
on
to
the
agenda.
No
many
declarations
of
interests
from
committee
members
seeing
none.
Thank
you.
Confirmation
of
minutes
of
the
28th
of
April
2015
are
those
caring.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
385
Sussex
Drive
we're
going
to
hold
that
we
do
have
a
speaker.
The
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
187
Metcalf
Street.
We
have
the
proponent-
is
here
to
speak.
To
answer
questions:
if
necessary,
does
anyone
have
any
questions
or
wish
to
hold
item
number
two
and
then
is
that
the
one
you
wanted
to
hold?
Okay,
sorry
hold
sorry
I
thought
you
were
talking
about.
One
item
number
three
item
number
three:
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
873,
875,
877,
contour
street
and
2705
2700
in
the
ward
of
Ennis.
B
We
have
only
the
applicant
to
speak.
Does
anyone
want
to
hold
this
item
or
does
anyone
have
any
questions
to
hold?
Is
it
who's
the
applicant?
Mr.
Berger?
Is
it
no
mr.
tiefer
hi?
Are
you
okay?
If
committee
supports
this
application,
you
don't
need
to
speak.
Thank
you
so
committee.
Is
that
Carrie
Carrie?
Thank
you.
B
Okay.
The
next
one
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
in
my
ward,
part
of
3872,
Green,
Bank,
Road,
okay
and
I.
Think
mr.
Denham
is
here
probably
just
to
speak.
If
we
have
questions,
I
have
no
registered
speakers.
Does
anyone
else
want
to
ask
any
questions
about
this
new
mental
development
in
south
Nepean?
B
It
is
different,
I'll
just
say,
because
we
have
a
wider
road.
This
is
the
start
of,
hopefully
improving
a
suburban
development,
making
it
more
livable.
Thank
you
and,
and
perhaps
lay-bys
by
the
schools.
I
mean
these
are
like
very
small
steps,
but
it's
nice
to
see.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
of
mr.
Denham
a?
If
not
can
we
carry?
This
item
carry
thank
you.
B
A
I
could
just
for
the
record,
say:
look
I've
been
choir,
Ian
on
the
splash
pads
that
was
put
in
in
February
2014
it
the
latest
update
on
their.
So
they
will
come
back
to
us
in
June
this
year.
It's
we're
gonna
lose
for
construction
seasons
on
how
long
it's
taking
staff
to
reply
to
this
so
I
hope.
There's
no
intention
to
delay
when
June
comes
around
I'd
like
to
put
that
on
the
record
right
now.
So.
B
C
B
Because
you're
right,
all
right,
I
suppose
that
received.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
so
we'll
go
back
to
the
beginning
and
a
first
held
item
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
385
Sussex
Drive,
and
this
is
a
staff
recommendation.
The
council
approve
an
amendment
to
the
zoning
bylaw
385
Sussex,
which
is
a
Notre
Dame
Cathedral
Basilica,
to
permit
a
temporary
parking
lot
for
maximum
of
three
years,
and
we
do
have
a
speaker
any
questions
before
I
go
to
the
speaker,
abduct
the
delegation.
Sorry
did
you
want
to
ask
your
question,
sir?
B
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
We,
the
Lowertown,
Community
Association,
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you,
of
course,
we're
speaking
against
the
application,
because
we
believe
it's
will
have
an
impact
on
efforts
to
ever
redevelop
the
entire
parking
lot
behind
the
Cathedral
I
think
we
should
be
clear
that
the
application,
even
though
it
looks
like
a
very
minor
corner
of
the
parking
lot
temporarily
riah,
prove
all.
In
fact,
what
you're
talking
about
is
an
amendment
that
will
affect
the
future
of
the
entire
parking
lot.
D
Let's
also
be
clear,
I
think
we
can
all
agree
on
this.
That
surface
parking
is
not
an
appropriate
use
for
that
land.
Now.
The
problem,
of
course,
is
that
for
much
of
the
parking
lot
has
been
grandfathered
and
there's
not
too
much
the
city
can
do
about
it.
The
corner
you
were
looking
at
this
morning,
however,
this
is
not
the
case
and
you
do
have
the
authority
to
do
whatever
you
like
with
that,
including
prohibit
parking.
D
D
I'm
charming
in
2003,
after
a
lot
of
discussion,
much
controversy,
the
city
agreed
to
let
the
church
tear
down
two
heritage
buildings
and
expand
the
parking
lot
to
the
corner.
We're
talking
about
this
morning.
At
the
time
it
stated,
its
intention
was
to
bring
forward
long
term
on
long-term
basis
plans
to
redevelop
the
site.
It
was
going
to
move
its
headquarters
from
Kilbourne
Avenue
and
bury
the
parking
completely
as
I
say.
D
After
a
lot
of
discussion,
the
city
basically
agreed
to
this
arrangement,
if
you
wish,
and
what
what
it
did
is
accepted
the
short-term
pain
of
more
parking
and
the
loss
of
two
buildings
in
return
for
the
long-term
gain
of
getting
rid
of
the
parking
completely.
That
was
the
understanding
that
was
reached
in
2003
2004
in
an
A&B
decision
in
September
2004.
It
was
recognized.
It
was
going
to
take
more
than
three
years
for
all
of
this
to
happen,
and
the
OMB
has
specifically
recorded
that
the
church
is
ruining.
D
More
temporary
applications
today
the
church
is
now
asking
for
the
fourth
time
permanent
parking
on
the
site.
In
these
circumstances,
we
believe
to
approve
a
further
temporary
zone,
would
be
a
terrible
mistake
and
send
absolutely
the
wrong
message
about
how
the
city
feels
about
surface
parking
in
the
central
area
in
the
market
in
heritage
district
particularly
were
to
heritage'
buildings
were
destroyed,
so
we
have
written
to
you.
You
have
a
letter
before
you
with
two
options.
Briefly,
the
first
one
is.
D
We
would
like
you
to
turn
down
the
application
effectively,
send
it
back
to
staff,
ask
them
to
return
you
and
they're
satisfied.
The
church
has
in
place
some
sort
of
plan
for
element.
Now,
if
that's
too
courageous
for
you,
if
you
wish
to
be
a
little
more
timid
this
morning,
the
second
alternative
would
be
approved.
The
application,
but
at
the
same
time,
in
some
way
shape
or
form,
send
a
very
clear
message
to
the
church
that
you're
not
happy
with
the
developments
on
this
file.
D
Now
we
understand
this
kind
of
message
is
probably
more
symbolic
than
meal,
but
symbols
are
important
and
it's
certainly
better
than
doing
nothing,
which
is
basically
what
the
staff
report
suggests
you
do
now.
Let
me
finish
by
saying
that
we
appreciate
very
much
the
important
role
the
archdiocese
plays
in
our
community,
especially
in
Lower
Town.
We
also
fully
understand
the
challenges
of
developing
the
site.
It's
it's
a
difficult
site.
There
were
lots
of
restrictions
because
of
this
Heritage
status.
The
church
will
have
to
probably
sell
land
to
find
the
money
to
fund
it.
D
So
it's
not
going
to
be
easy
for
them.
We
recognize
that
and
we're
not
trying
to
punish
the
church,
we're
not
suggesting
cut
off
the
park
and
immediately
we're
simply
urging
you
to
use
this
opportunity
to
push
them
just
a
little
bit
harder
to
take
a
look
at
the
possibilities
for
development.
I
think
everybody
would
agree
that
the
long
term
objective
is
to
get
this
site
redeveloped
we're
just
suggesting
that
use
this
opportunity
to
make
sure
it
happens
sooner
rather
than
later.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
I
like
the
fact
that
you've
made
two
suggestions
as
well:
very
productive
I'm,
going
to
I,
have
three
speakers
so
far
comes
from
this
bomb,
counselor
Pucci
Helzer
leaper,
and
do
you
have
any
questions
of
mr.
Tripp?
Do
you
have
any
questions,
mr.
Tripp,
mr.
Draper,
counselor,
leaper?
Sorry?
So
mr.
Tripp,
thank
you
for
coming
out
today.
You
can
take
your
seat.
They're
gonna
have
questions
or
staff.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
and
also
I
would
ask
the
colleagues
that
are
asking
questions.
B
E
A
E
F
The
long-term
plans
haven't
changed.
The
church
still
hope
at
some
time
in
the
future
to
develop
that
parking
lot,
but
I'm
not
going
to
mislead
you.
The
church,
I'm
gonna
mislead
you,
it
will
not
happen
in
in
the
short-term
I,
don't
have
to
speak
to
people
who
know
about
money
and
and
the
money
just
isn't
available
at
this
time.
The
church
serves
and
asked
each
of
you
in
your
communities.
The
church
serves
all
of
the
community
and
there
are
a
number
of
new
churches
being
built
throughout.
So
the
funds
have
to
be
spread.
F
E
F
Not
pretty
I
know
there
have
been
a
couple
of
discussions
with
some
developers,
but
my
counsel
I
have
to
tell
you
that
site
was
the
first
site
that
the
church
owned
in
the
City
of
Ottawa.
They
have
it's
their
masterpiece,
I
suppose
with
the
cathedral,
and
their
preference
certainly
is
not
to
do
a
ACO
venture
or
a
joint
with
with
a
developer.
It's
just
too
important
to
cite,
if
you
ever
been
in
the
cathedral,
you
know
what
I'm
saying
they're,
just
not
not
on
for
that
right
now.
That's
my
understanding.
E
Last
question
is
in
given
that
this
was
always
seem
to
be
a
temporary
extension
and
that
you're
telling
us
this
morning
that
there
are
no
immediate
plans
to
be
able
to
develop
the
site
if
a
temporary
extension
were
granted.
What
do
you
foresee
happening
in
2
or
3
years,
whenever
the
the
end
of
that
temporary
extension
is
given
I?
Think.
F
Counsel,
that
was
the
reason
that
the
permanent
rezoning
was
applied
for
so
he
wouldn't
have
to
come
back
in
in
the
three
years.
So
I
can
see
us
in
all
probability
being
back,
but
I
just
want
to
think
I
just
should
add
a
little
bit
to
the
practical
of
this
whole
thing.
If
you
look
at
that
lot,
there
are
85
spaces
that
are
zoned
for
fill
strange
commercial
parking.
F
The
57
spaces
can
be
used
for
Church
only
parking
notwithstanding
my
clients
purpose
objectives
to
develop
this
site
can
all
it
can
still
be
used
as
a
parking
lot.
It's
just
the
commercial
and
the
57
spaces,
and
my
submission
to
you
is
that
it
it
is
providing
a
need
in
the
in
the
market
area.
At
this
time,
I
can't
say
any
more
than
that.
Okay,
sorry.
E
E
G
Chair
the
parking
is
there,
they
could.
The
church
could
use
it
as
parking
for
their
use,
sort
of
an
accessory
use
to
the
church.
This
application
deals
specifically
with
the
ability
to
use
it
as
a
public
parking
so
allow
people
to
park.
They
are
not
associated
with
the
church,
so
it
could
remain
as
specifically
church
parking.
Yes,.
E
G
Chair,
that's
that's
correct,
there's
different
types
of
parking,
one
there's
parking,
that's
associated
with
the
use
and
you
can
provide
it
in
accordance
with
the
bylaw.
You
can
even
provide
more
than
with
the
biologic
wires,
but
it
has
to
be
associated
with
that
use.
What
the
Official
Plan
talks
to
a
surface
paid
parking
lots
like
we
have
here
in
the
center
town
the
talks
about
discouraging
those
are
getting
rid
of
them
in
favor
of
the
parking
structure
or
parking
underground.
G
So
when
they
use
this
to
have
parking
for
patrons
of
the
market,
that's
its
they're
paid
surface
parking,
a
lot
that
the
Official
Plan
is
speaking
to
it's
not
a
is
not
a
good
thing,
and
certainly
that
is
the
reason
why
the
staff
couldn't
support
a
would
have
ruined
the
application
which
they
came
in
support.
This
long-term
permanent
surface
parking
lot
for
paid
means,
but
that
is
the
conundrum
and
that,
if
it
was
just
provide
for
the
church,
it
could
be
church
parking.
Yes,.
E
So
the
issue
is:
if
we
encourage
the
commercial
use,
the
applicant
presumably
won't
be
incentivized
to
change
the
use.
If
we
don't,
then
there
was
an
incentive
because
there
isn't
actual
revenue
generation,
and
we
would
hope
that
the
applicant
would
then
sell
the
property
so
that
we
get
the
type
of
development
that
the
CDP
anticipated.
Madam
charity's.
G
B
B
Think
the
other
thing
before
we
go
to
your
house
or
couch
a
is
where
we
Arby's
visa
vie
the
Byward
market,
the
Rideau
realm
that
we're
working
on
the
other
pieces
that
will
come
forward
for
the
Byward
market
and
the
time
that
this
gives
us
as
a
temporary.
That
is
the
same
kind
of
timeline,
then
we'll
be
dealing
with
other
pieces
of
that
down
the
Byward
market
within
this
term
as
well,
and
that
to
how
that
all
fits
together,
I
think
is
going
to
be
important.
Thank
you
really.
Good
questions.
Kozak
Luce.
C
F
F
They've
been
there's
been
some
after
the
main
renovation
there's,
but
other
matters
that
have
have
had
to
be
dealt
with
and
there's
one
in
the
in
the
process
now
I
understand
and
that's
providing
access
for
disability
effort,
people
for
disabled
people.
That's
the
next
small
step
with
regard
to
the
Cathedral.
So.
C
F
Don't
like
to
give
fuzzy
answers,
but
I
think
it's
combined
counselor
that
they
are
using
some
of
it
to
do
improvements
to
the
cathedral
itself,
but
the
fund
is
is
there,
but
let's
face
it
that
that's
not
that's
what
I'm
going
to
get
that
site
develop
the
small
amount
I
agree
with
with
staff
on
that.
That's
not
good!
That's
not
going
to
happen
and
the
community
association
it
that
that's
a
small
amount,
no
matter
what
it
is,
do
it
in.
C
F
Think
that's
a
combination,
the
site,
I'm
told,
is
not
used
unless
you
have
a
large
funeral
or
a
large
wedding,
and
then
the
whole
site
is
reserved.
If
there
was
a
person
at
some
political
significance,
they
would
the
whole
site
would
be
during
the
week,
but
it
is
certainly
I
am
told,
used
on
Sundays
these
days.
Things
of
that
nature.
The
whole
site
is
being
used
for
the
church
and
it's
reserved
for
them
and
during
the
week
to
generate
revenue.
F
While
the
parking
lots
still
going
to
be
there,
because
mr.
as
mr.
James
has
explained
the
park,
there's
going
to
be
the
85
spots
that
can
be
used
commercially
and
the
55
just
used
for
churches,
so
that's
that's.
What's
going
to
happen,
it's
not
going
to
prevent
the
lot
being
used
for
parking.
It
is
going
to
prevent
the
55
spaces
to
be
used
commercial
for
commercial
purposes.
F
Well,
yes,
that's
that's
the
long-term
objective,
but
that's
why
I
said
earlier:
I
don't
want
to
mislead
anyone
that
isn't
going
to
happen
in
the
near
future,
but
in
fact
plans
were
draft
at
about
five
years
ago.
Extensive
plans
with
costing
the
whole
everything,
and
it
was
just
far
too
expensive-
it
wasn't
couldn't
nearly
meet.
You
know
their
budgets
for
the
next
number
of
years,
given
as
I
said
earlier,
the
other
ministries
that
they
have
to
deal
with
wrote
the
whole
city
it.
This
is
one
sight
of
I
think
something
like
85.
B
H
B
B
And
how
many
people
are
on
committee
met
with
their
church
members?
Anybody,
okay,
I,
think
that,
in
context
with
the
question
that
mr.
that
counselor
tha
asked
I
think
that
it's
important
that
you
have
some
idea
of
the
scope
of
the
income
that
the
church
is
benefiting
from
with
with
this
part,
so
I
just
think
it's
important
to
put
in
context
because
n
mr.
mr.
Lyte
misschien
busy
can
speak
to
that.
B
C
You
Matt
thank
you,
madam
chair,
in
preparing
for
this
item.
We
did
pull
background
material
out
and
when
this
matter
came
before
what
was
then
equivalent
of
the
planning
committee
back
in
2003,
the
archdiocese
did
speak
to
the
committee
and
outlined
that
the
revenue
to
be
generated
by
this
commercial
parking
lot
at
the
time
was
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
it
would
be
used
for
the
benefit
of
the
church.
Yes,.
G
I
G
I
B
And
and
because
I
did
meet
with
the
Monsignor,
I
can
tell
you
that
they
haven't
had
interest
in
that
from
the
outside
community
and
they
don't
have
interest
at
this
time
in
development.
It's
not
the
business
that
they're
in
and
it's
not
as
though
they've
had
parties
coming
to
talk
to
them
about
repurposing
or
putting
in
an
outside
stocked
garage
or
whatever.
That
might
be,
and
I
think
that
it
as
I
said.
Mr.
B
J
So,
what's
the
definition
of
a
long-term
use,
because
my
understanding
is
the
request
for
an
extension,
this
is
not
the
first
time
that
that's
been
before
the
Planning
Committee
and
I
just
want
some
clarification
on
the
number
of
times
that
one
time
so
far,
okay,
so
obvious
that
in
my
mind,
madam
chairs
12
years
is
12
years
and
if,
if
the
calculations
are
correct,
that
they're
earning
half
a
million
a
year,
that's
six
million
dollars.
So
at
some
point
a
decision
has
to
be
made.
I
was
just
joking
with
my
colleagues
on
both
sides.
J
It's
rare
that
a
Community
Association
comes
to
Planning
Committee
and
urges
us
to
develop
a
site
to
build
on
a
site
right
now.
That
has
a
parking
lot,
but
you
get
a
sense
from
the
community
that
surrounds
the
Basilica,
that
there
are
desires
to
get
the
project
going.
And
you
know
there
are
churches
in
river
Wars
and
certainly
churches
around
the
U
of
O,
where
I
was
a
student
that
rent
out
spots,
because
it
is
a
revenue
generator
because
some
churches
are
struggling
in
every
dollar
account.
So
I
have
sympathy
to
notre
dam.
Hang.
B
On
a
sec,
yep
you're
going
to
wrap
up
now
so
I
want
to
know.
Do
you
have
any
questions
of
mr.
Vyse
or
does
anyone
have
any
you're
going
to
have
questions?
Do
you
have
any
questions
of
them
because
I'll
come
put
you
back
on
the
list
very
well:
okay,
okay,
so
coughs,
oshri
questions,
I'd,
better!
All.
K
F
K
It's
more
than
once
a
week
because
major
funerals
are
held
there,
all
the
time.
I've
I've
gone
there
many
times
and
been
unable
to
find
a
place
to
park,
so
I've
I've
seen
that.
Secondly,
is
it
were
you
ever
asked?
I
know
the
answer
this
so
I'm
asking
anyway,
were
you
ever
asked
at
previous
temporary
zonings
to
make
a
commitment
to
construct
by
a
certain
date?
K
F
F
Mike
Genesis
2003,
but
no
there
was
never
any
date
given.
I
can
only
assure
you
that
it's
it.
The
church
would
love
to
get
construction
going
on
that
site
to
fulfill
their
mission.
They
were
hoping
to
move
the
what
their
activities
from
Kilbourne
there,
but
no
I
know
to
answer
your
first
question.
Yes,
there
still
will
be
parking
on
the
site
counselor
and
a.
B
F
F
B
B
K
K
Next
question
is
just
to
clarify:
actually
the
reason
you
would
want
to
temporary
rezoning
as
opposed
to
permanent.
Is
there
the
case?
If
you
grant
a
permanent
rezoning,
it
then
becomes
a
zoning
as
of
right
for
the
for
the
entire
future,
and
we
can
truly
step
in
or
Weiss
technically.
We
could
step
in
and
try
to
rezone
it,
but
it
wiII
be
headed
for
a
lot
of
trouble
versus
renewing
every
three
years
that
incorporates
the
protection
that
it
doesn't
become,
something
that
is
held
as
of
right
in.
G
G
A
B
C
You
Madame,
chair,
technically
what
you
have
before
you
is
not
an
extension.
The
Pontiac
actually
does
define
by
virtue
of
the
specific
legislation
or
paragraph
that
deals
with
this.
That
temporary
use
is
for
three
years.
It
expires
at
the
end
of
three
years.
That's
the
maximum,
and
should
you
want
to
consider
for
like
a
better
phraseology
and
extension
of
that
use,
committee
and
council
must
turn
its
attention
to
granting
a
new
temporary
used
by
law
for
three
years.
K
And
the
this
is
a
case.
The
temporary
may
not
be
the
correct
word
that
they
should
have
chosen
for
legislation,
because
there
are
properties
all
across
Ontario
that
renew
not
renew
but
get
a
new
application
every
three
years
and
that's
to
prevent
the
property
owner
from
holding
that
right
as
of
right
and
being
able
to
access
all
sorts
of
other
rights
and
privileges
that
they
couldn't
when
it
was
so-called
temporary.
C
A3,
madam
chair,
yes,
actually
this
section
of
the
Planning
Act
is
used
fairly
regularly
and
you're
right.
It
doesn't
make
permanent
to
use.
That's
not
in
the
long
run
desirable
for
the
municipality,
but
there
may
be
multiple
reasons.
Why
temporarily,
it's
helpful
at
the
last
committee
that
we
considered
the
concerts
that
would
be
on
the
for
the
one
day
only
temporary
use
bylaw.
So
these
reasons
why,
for
temporary
time
it's
it's
perfectly
fine
yeah.
B
J
J
My
head:
if
with
is
what
is
the
permitted
use
of
this
land
and
right
now,
it
is
being
used
for
something
that
it's
not
zoned
for
and
so
because
these
extensions
keep
being
granted
like
I
said
it's
very
fair
that
we
question
what
the
long-term
plans
are
for
this
land,
so
I
think
I'm,
damned
I
vote
in
favor
this
and
I'm
damned
if
I
vote
against
it.
Simply
because
if
we
vote
in
favor
I
think
we
send
the
wrong
message.
J
But
if
we
vote
against
we're
taking
away
parking,
that's
very
much
needed
in
the
market
area
and
we're
taking
revenue
away
from
the
church
that
I
think
they
have
the
right
to
earn
so
I,
don't
want
to
be
punitive,
then
vote
against
this,
but
I
do
want
my
concerns
noted
so
I
will
be
plugging
my
nose
and
voting
in
favor
because
ultimately,
I
think
that's
better
than
voting
against,
but
I
do
have
concerns
with
a
proponent
that
keeps
coming
back
here
every
three
years
for
something
that
it's
not
zoned
for.
To
begin
with.
Thank.
E
Le
yeah,
thank
you
sure,
I
had
sort
of
a
similar
intervention,
so
I
will
keep
it
short.
I
mean
I,
do
think
I
see.
My
role
here
is
being
to
defend
the
the
Official
Plan,
which
is
clearly
not
contemplating
the
use
of
that
site
as
a
parking
lot,
and
so,
given
that
this
is
now
the
fourth
extension
normally
three-strikes-you're-out
in
this
case,
I
agree
with
my
colleague,
councillor
brockington.
That
I
mean
I
think
there
is
some
sympathy.
This
is
a
not-for-profit
organisation.
E
There
are
specific
challenges,
however,
and
we
know
that
if
we
were
to
reject
this,
that
sounds
like
the
site
would
continue
to
be
a
parking
lot,
but
I
can
certainly
say
that,
assuming
that
the
applicant
applies
again
in
three
years,
I
will
vote
against
at
that
time,
and
I
would
certainly
encourage
the
applicant
to
to
take
this
period
of
36
months
to
try
and
find
a
solution
which
would
involve
the
development
of
that.
So
I
do
think.
E
There
are
interesting
examples
of
partnerships
where
the
church
could
lease
back
office
space
to
a
developer,
who
might
build
their.
So,
although
there
is
a
moral
hazard
problem
with
voting
in
favor
of
this,
I
hope
that
the
conditions
and
of
this
particular
case
are
such
that
you
know
we
can
encourage
the
applicant
to
start
thinking
about
ways
in
which
this
is
going
to
change
in
30
months
and
36
months
time.
Thanks
thank.
K
K
Jan
and
I
know
that
there
is
a
particular
medical
office
near
Sears,
where
they
have
had
temporary
reasonings
I,
think
they're
headed
on
40
years
now
and
and
they
just
continue
to
operate.
So
the
issue
here
I
think,
though,
is
number
one.
Those
if
we
accept
the
recommendation,
then
the
church
is
able
to
continue
its
plan
and
work
toward
as
long
to
enroll.
K
At
the
same
time,
it's
dovetailing
with
work
on
LRT
and
with
developments
in
the
market
where
everybody
is
working
together
to
a
target
and
it
allows
the
the
church
to
join
that
effort
and
probably
end
up
at
a
more
harmonious
outcome
than
would
have
would
otherwise
occur.
So,
finally,
you
know
you:
can
you
can't
force
the
church
to
have
the
money
to
actually
do
the
construction?
We
can
only
help
to
facilitate
that.
So
I
think
approving
this
would
be
the
right
thing
to
do.
B
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
have
any
final
remarks.
No
well.
We've
had
a
good
discussion
on
this
for
sure
and
I
appreciate
that
on
the
would
you
want
a
zena's
on
this
or,
as
ours
are
carried
carried
with
one
dissent
by
councillor
le
purr.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everybody
Thank
You
staff,
Thank
You
mr.
vice,
but
I,
think
mr.
Vyse,
you
have
a
strong
message
to
take
back
to
the
to
the
Catholic
Diocese.
B
B
E
Thank
you
chair.
This
was
a
question
staff
just
so
that
I
understand
the
nature
of
the
parking
requirements,
and
it's
due
to
my
ignorance
that
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
this,
not
enough
experience
with
it.
Yet
if
these
hundred
and
forty
sites
are,
if
the
recommendation
is
approved,
could
the
applicant
then
use
all
140
sites
for
say
commuter
parking,
so
it
gives
out
monthly
passes
in
a
way
that
would
prevent
the
commercial
spot
which
is
being
contemplated
in
that
building
from
having
use
of
those
hundred
and
forty
sites.
E
So
essentially
the
concern
or
the
question:
it's
not
a
concern
is
well.
Will
there
be
a
minimum
number
of
spaces
which
the
commercial
entity
will
allow
its
clients
or
customers
to
use,
or
is
there
a
risk
that,
if
the
applicant
sells
monthly
passes
for
all
forty
that
that
parking
will
not
be
available
for
the
commercial
space?
Thank.
G
You,
madam
chair,
the
hundred
forty
spaces.
There
still
was,
you
know,
there's
a
grocery
store
there
on
the
property
and
there's
still
about
a
requirement
for
that
grocery
store
that
the
applicant
would
have
to
adhere
to
I.
Think
it's
about
sixty
spaces
in
accordance
with
the
zoning
bylaw.
It
would
be
in
an
infraction
of
the
zoning
bylaw
if
they
were
used
for
for
other
purposes.
G
E
G
The
zoning
are
recommends
of
that
of
the
parking
that
the
residential
club
is
I
can
be
set
at
36.
That's
at
the
8.3%
parking
requirement,
which
is
typical
for
downtown.
It
should
not
result
in
any
on
street
on
street
parking
within
the
surrounding
area,
so
that
would
leave.
I
think,
there's
36
for
that
and
60
is
96.
G
E
Sorry
now
the
your
second
intervention
confused
me,
because
it
says
here
in
the
report
that
allowing
140
the
existing
176
parking
spaces
on
the
first
two
levels
of
underground
parking
to
be
used
for
public
parking
will
not
negatively
impact
the
goals
related
to
transit,
ridership,
etc.
So
when
you
talked
about
the
additional
commercial
spaces,
is
that
above
and
beyond
the
hundred
and
seventy
said
no,
madam.
G
Chair
there's,
there's
176
on
the
first
two
levels:
36
would
be
set
aside
for
the
for
visitor
parking
and
the
others
would
be
set
as
the
where
public
parking
could
occur.
Now,
whether
or
not
they
charge
for
those
whole
amount
or
not
that's
up
to
the
applicant.
If
for
the
for
the
other
hundred
and
were
there,
they
could
charge
people
to
go
down
and
use
it
and
be
open
to
the
public.
G
There
would
be
parking
there
for
the
grocery
store,
but
it
should
also
be
remembered,
not
I'm
sure
that
there's
the
opportunity
to
share
that
parking
there
will
be
different
peak
times.
The
grocery
store
might
psay
Saturday
mornings,
where,
as
parking
during
the
during
the
weekdays
would
be
for
the
four
people
it
could
be
commuters
or
it
could
be
people
visiting
Parliament
Hill
to
go
downtown.
They
would
have
the
opportunity
to
share
that
parking
and
sort
of
double
up
on
the
use.
If
you
will.
E
If
I'm
a
customer
of
Sobeys
and
it's
a
Wednesday
morning
and
I'm
driving
to
do
my
grocery
shopping,
is
there
not
a
risk
that
I
go
down
into
the
garage
or
there's
a
sign
out
front?
That
says
all
140
spots
are
taken
because
they
have
purchased
monthly
passes
and
there
is
therefore
no
commercial
parking
for
that
enter
bondsmen.
E
G
E
B
E
B
Operation
that
will
require
the
Builder
to
have
that
relationship.
If
you
think
about
the
Loblaws
and
Ledo
Street,
for
example,
that's
different
cuz,
you
don't
have
a
building
in
that,
but
you
think
about
the
way
they
work
their
parking
there.
A
lot
of
people
do
park
there
publicly,
but
I
mean
they
do
have
a
system
that
benefits
the
people
that
actually
drive
there.
Yeah
I
think
we're
gonna,
see
a
mix
of
people
driving
and
walking
and
taking
the
bus,
etc.
B
It's
I
was
by
actually
on
by
the
side
of
it
on
the
peon
Street
yesterday,
normally
when
I'm
gonna,
if
I
Drive,
downtown
I'm
coming
down
Metcalfe
and
turning
on
the
pian
to
come
directly
into
the
garage
yeah
when
I
was
walking
by
took
the
time
to
look
at
it
and
it's
excited
to
see
the
the
inside,
the
so
be
store
and
it's
getting
close
to
opening
I,
don't
I'll
ask
what
the
data
is,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
those
good
questions
and
now
we're
going
to
go
mr.
Stanton.
B
H
H
If
I
could
just
step
back
and
look
at
the
sort
of
project
history
a
little
bit
to
give
some
background
in
2008
Claridge
filed
for
an
application
to
the
city
for
the
20-story
residential
towers
on
2010,
the
site
plan
was
approved
by
the
city
and
condos
sales
were
launched
in
2011
construction
began
and
for
the
455
units
in
a
3
phase
build
in
2014
the
first
residents
moved
in
and
now
in
2015.
There
is
a
request
by
Claridge
for
zoning
bylaw
amendment
to
public
parking
as
a
permitted
use
our
corporation.
H
Our
association
understands
that
the
Tribeca
parking
garage
is
really
over
built
in
terms
of
capacity
understanding
is
that
there
was
a
pre-existing
geotechnical
condition.
There
was
a
leader
clay
to
deal
with
and
they
had
25
meters
below
street
level
to
hit
bedrock
those
conditions
and
not
market
conditions.
That
drove
the
number
of
the
size
that
the
design
and
size
of
the
parking
garage
after
exhausting
the
parking
sales
to
the
residential
unit
buyers
and
the
commercial
sales
as
well
or
the
commercial
parking
for
sofie's.
H
There
is
a
surplus
amount
of
parking
in
the
garage,
and
it's
our
understanding
that
Claridge
is
looking
to
recapture
a
portion
of
their
initial
capital
investment
associated
with
this
construction
through
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
In
addition
to
this
amendment,
the
applicant
is
suggesting
that
the
number
of
visitor
parking
stalls
we
do
be
reduced
from
forty
five
to
thirty
six.
In
order
to
maximize
the
revenue
from
these
parking
stalls,
our
association
fully
understands
and
appreciates
the
city's
Planning
Department
objectives.
H
As
stating,
as
stated
in
the
planning
committee
report,
the
official
plan
has
an
objective
to
promote
public
transit
in
a
number
of
ways,
including
a
reduction
in
available
parking
spaces.
It
also
states
a
short-term
public
parking
should
be
meet
the
needs
of
the
local
businesses
and
should
be
below-grade
when
possible.
In
addition,
the
Senator
Town
secondary
plan
encourages
parking
to
support
local
businesses
and
that
parking
should
be
real
great
when
possible.
H
Present
the
relevant
part
of
the
Tribeca
west
tower
disclosure
statement
and
I
have
copies
for
you,
if
necessary,
dated
March
1st
2010,
which
is
required
under
the
condom.
Ontario
condominium
act.
This
disclosure
was
supplied
to
all
condo
owners
by
Claridge
prior
to
their
purchase,
and
article
16
of
the
disclosure
clearly
states
that
45
parking
stalls
will
be
allocated
for
visitor
parking
in
the
commercial
component
of
the
parking
garage.
H
H
The
appellant
suggests
that
a
number
the
number
of
required
visitor
parking
stalls
be
set
at
45
as
originally
designated
in
the
disclosure
statement,
and
that
public
parking
be
added
as
a
permitted
use
in
the
amendment.
Please
keep
in
mind
that
the
promised
45
dedicated
visitor
stalls
is
substantially
less
than
the
current
as
a
right
city.
Zoning
requirements,
which
are
calculated
by
as
by
0.2
for
residential
unit,
and
if
you
use
that
rate
there
would
be
87
visitor
parking
stalls
I
just.
B
A
B
C
Through
you,
madam
chair,
yes,
the
point.
2
ratio
which
equals
87
spaces
is
the
calculation
based
on
the
zoning
bylaw.
But
it's
been
a
long
established
practice
in
the
downtown
that
we
apply
when
we
were
reviewing
projects
and
areas
of
intensification
in
the
downtown
to
promote
public
transit
use,
walking,
etc.
That
we
use
the
long
established
minimum
downtown
visitor
standard,
which
is
0.8
3
spaces
per
unit,
which
is
exactly
what
this
proposal
will
meet,
which
is
36
and
and
many
of
the
developments
that
this
committee
sees
over.
The
last
number
of
years.
B
B
I'm
gonna
ask
that
you
just
explain
a
little
bit
about
the
logistics
of
how
your
parking
is
working
is
I.
Think
that
that
would
be
I
know
will
be
helpful
for
me,
but,
for
example,
people
that
are
going
to
for
visitors
parking.
Are
they
paying
anything
people
with?
What
kind
of
a
mechanism
do
you
have?
People
are
taking
a
ticket,
they
have
a
pass.
How
do
they?
How
do
we
know
that
it's,
for
example,
that
would
be
using
the
so.
A
So
she
enter
that
party
rise
rather
for
Saudis,
rather
for
the
small
commercial
attendant
future
tenant.
Rather
for
visitor
parking
without
pay,
that's
just
the
two
levels
of
parking
in
partnership
with
Saudis
and
we
would
provide
a
Redemption
system,
so
they
are
able
to
credit.
The
purchasers
they
feel
should
be.
B
D
D
D
B
E
I
just
did
just
a
question
that
came
up
as
a
result
of
the
applicants
statement.
So
if,
if
the
visiting
parking
is
is
paid,
which
is
the
deal
that
they've
made
with
the
condo
corporation,
then
do
you
anticipate
that
visitors
to
this
corporate
to
this
condominium
will
find
street
parking
in
order
to
avoid
the
costs
of
parking
in
a
parking
garage?
And,
if
so,
does
this
have
any
act
on
the
concern
of
on-street
parking.
G
E
You
know
just
we
need
to
be
clear-eyed
about
the
fact
that
this
that
sounds
to
me
like
it's
not
going
to
resolve
the
side
street
parking
issue
because,
as
was
talked
about
a
Transportation
Committee
last
week,
people
are
price
sensitive
when
it
comes
to
parking.
So
we
can
anticipate
that
visitors
to
this
site
will
look
for
cheaper
on
street
parking
first
before
entering
the
garage
which
again
I'm
not
objecting
to
the
application.
B
G
Yes,
madam
chair
and
yes,
if
on
street
parking
and
the
shortage
of
on
street
parking
in
some
ways
means
it's
a
vibrant
community,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
problem
that
a
vibrant
community
has
and
the
alternative
would
be
if
other
people
already
parking
they're
like
impacting
ution
short
supply,
now
I
would
say
almost
forced
to
go
and
pay
for
parking
for
the
convenience
just
to
have
a
parking
spot.
So
it's
sort
of
a
double-edged
sword
there.
We.
B
You
know
this
is
a
big
option
and
for
people
to
have
a
place
to
park
as
well,
because
lucky
on
street
is
always
a
premium,
no
matter
what
time
you're
down
here,
maybe
Sunday
morning
for
brunch
or
something
you
get
lucky
and
even
have
any
other
questions,
okay,
so
on
the
on
the
report?
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
We're
going
to
go
to
our
last
item
that
which
is
the
presentation.
B
B
So
the
reason
we
have
this
before
you
is
because
staff
have
worked
hard
to
try
and
make
something
that's
easier
for
the
communities
to
work
with
and
for
anyone.
That's
interested
in
applications
to
work
with
it's
sort
of
like
the
five
W's
of
you
know,
so
that
you
say
well.
Who
is
this
well?
Where
is
that?
Well,
why
are
they
doing
it?
That
kind
of
a
thing
trying
to
simplify
it
in
the
past
you're,
getting
sometimes
too
much
information
which
actually
wasn't
even
clear
enough
to
understand
what
it
was
we
were
sending
out.
K
B
B
C
This
is
part
of
a
larger
year
or
so
long
approach
to
reexamine
our
public
engagement
efforts
and
reprioritize
and
refresh
them,
and
the
committee
members
are
probably
most
familiar
with
our
new
development
signage.
That's
out
there
in
the
public,
which
is
one
us,
our
ward
in
the
last
year.
So
that's
part
of
the
overall
strategy
to
better
public
engage,
and
so
at
this
point,
I
can
turn
it
over
to
them
to
take
you
through
what
we've
been
doing
recently.
A
Thank
you.
Can
everybody
hear
me
that
work?
Okay,
I'm
sure
how
to
members
of
planning
committee?
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
I'm
really
pleased
to
be
in
front
of
you
today
to
highlight
some
of
the
recent
work
of
business
services
branch
to
improve
the
public
circulation
packages
for
development
applications.
What
you
will
see
today,
as
mr.
Rosie
mentioned,
is
a
continuation
of
the
planning
and
growth
management,
2014
public
engagement
strategy
and
follows
the
launch.
Last
year
of
the
new
on-site
signs
for
development
applications.
A
The
material
provided
to
our
residents
as
part
of
the
circulation
package
has
been
refreshed.
Enhanced
and
modernized.
Technical
reports
and
plans
continue
to
be
available
through
the
online
DevOps
tool.
To
answer
councillor
Ellie's
question:
I:
don't
want
to
take
away
from
the
presentation,
so
I'd
now
like
to
turn
it
over
to
miss
Fergie
and
mr.
Saiga
to
provide
the
presentation.
L
The
contents
of
the
presentation
are
the
goals
that
we
have
over,
that
will
outline
of
revising
the
circulation
packages.
What
was
in
scope,
the
enhancements
that
were
made
and
a
comparison
of
the
current
and
the
revised
circulation
packages,
the
goals
in
accordance
with
the
corporate
public
engagement
strategy?
We
ensured
that
everything
that
we
do
is
in
accordance
with
a
public
engagement
strategy,
we're
also
demystifying
the
development
review
process
using
and
you'll
see
many
times
throughout.
The
presentation.
L
What
was
in
scope
for
the
application
types?
We
utilize
the
application
types
that
are
chosen,
most
frequent
application
types
for
the
first
three
that
we've
chosen
are
the
xoring
bylaw
amendment
120
meter
circulation,
the
plan
of
subdivision
again
with
120
meters
circulation
and
then
the
site
plan
control.
There's
now
the
120
meter
circulation
with
this
one,
but
we
create
a
highway
shape
because
it's
a
lot
of
interest
in
the
site
plan
control
applications.
L
So
the
enhancements
as
I
mentioned
plain
language
as
you'll
see
throughout
the
presentation
plain
language
is
important:
a
streamlined
format.
You
will
see
that
the
information
is
now
presented
in
bullet
form
are
numbered
lists
to
facilitate
reading
images
of
the
proposed
development.
The
same
images
that
are
on
our
on
site
signs
you'll
see
this
in
the
circulation
packages.
Well,
when
they're
available
a
highlight
sheet,
the
highlight
sheet
is
new
and
the
sheet
explains
a
development
application
and
the
development
review
process
that
relates
to
the
type
of
application.
L
L
So
what
everyone's
been
waiting
for
the
introduction
letter
as
you'll
see
here?
This
is
how
it
exists
today
and
we
have
moved
towards
engaging
and
straight-to-the-point
title
you'll
see
that
we
frame
the
language.
Is
it
the
same
language?
That's
on
the
development
application
sign
is
in
our
introduction
letter.
We
again
use
plain
language.
We
break
up
the
information,
so
it's
important
forms
here.
L
The
highlight
sheet
so
again,
this
is
brand
new.
It's
addition
to
the
circulation
a
package,
and
what
we
want
to
do
here
is
demystify
the
development
application.
So
here
what
you're
looking
at
you'll
see
that
we
define
what
is
zoning
and
what
the
bylaw
amendment
and
what
changes
can
be
made.
So
here
it
gives
all
the
frequently
questions
that
our
planners
are
asked.
We
now
have
it
in
a
easy,
read
format.
It
also
explains
on
the
back
of
the
sheet.
L
It
explains
the
sequence
of
development
of
development
review
process,
so
it
goes
from
a
step
by
step.
It
provides
ways
for
the
residents
to
get
involved
during
the
development
review
process.
So
here
again,
you'll
see
that
we're
seeing
how
to
get
involved
and
it
outlines
of
different
options,
how
they
can
get
involved
and
again
for
more
information
where
they
can
get
more
information
again
where
they
can
able
to
contact
the
planner
while
we're
pushing
them
to
the
websites.
L
So
now
we're
on
to
the
application
summary.
The
redesign
application
summary
has
similar
language
as
the
new
development
notice.
That's
out
Messiaen,
so
they're,
where
it
was
before
and
again,
we've
used
the
same
language
as
we
can
that's
on
the
sign.
So
it's
consistency
in
language.
Again,
you
can
see
that
we've
moved
towards
more
plain
language.
We
have
everything
that
actually
it
reads
it's
engaging
and
it
reads
well
and
also
sorry,
just
one
more
click
here
also
once
again
everything
with
us:
how
do
they
stay
informed
it?
How
do
they
get
involved?
L
L
You
know
we
refresh
it
a
little
bit,
but
we
really
haven't
changed
it
that
much.
But
when
there
is
a
street
level
view
of
proposed
development,
it
will
be
included
in
this
circulation
package.
So
when
there
is
a
picture,
we
will
include
it
and
again
this
would
be
consistent
with
the
current
practice
for
the
development
on
sign
signage.
L
And
now
we've
just
moved
to
a
more
straightforward
form
for
residents
complete
and
also
as
you'll
see
here,
what's
the
best
way
to
reach
them
and
that
we
can
ensure
that
they're
getting
future
notification.
Here
you
can
see.
The
comment
area
for
comment
was
very
small,
and
here
you'll
see
that
we've
moved
it
not
only
in
that
space,
but
we
really
encourage
residents
to
provide
their
feedback.
C
C
A
A
E
I'm,
just
with
regard
to
the
letter,
it
was
their
decision
made
or
commute
over
the
history.
I
noticed
that
the
name
of
the
of
the
applicant
is
not
on
the
letter
so
versus
what
is
the
reason
for
that?
And
secondly,
if
if
someone
did
want
to
find
out
who
the
applicant
was,
how
would
they
go
about
doing
that?.
L
B
L
I
Thank
you
very
much.
This
is
move
forward.
I
think
one
piece
of
feedback
with
respect
to
the
Ottawa
about
CA
/e
DevOps
point:
oh,
that's
in
the
form,
once
people
are
there
that
can
be
somewhat
counterintuitive
to
use.
Just
above
that
section,
you've
listed
the
file
number,
the
the
DevOps
number.
Can
we
make
it
clear
that
that
number
will
help
drive
people's
navigation.
L
Madam
chair,
we
have
no
way
of
knowing
who
is
attendant
and
who
is
actually
the
owner
like
if
it's,
if
they're
right,
if
they're
rented
out
or
that.
But
what
what
happens
is
the
Box
slips
that,
if
we're
doing
an
open
house
or
an
information
session,
and
the
back
flips
will
actually
be
right
to
the
address
to.
I
L
B
To
show
you
my
nail
box,
the
occupant
would
open
it
up
unless
we
just
put
the
ball
to
occupant
yeah,
so
I
think
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
if,
with
all
due
respect,
I
think
that
some
people
are
never
going
to
be
interested
anyways
and
people
that
are
tend
to
be
engaged
and
leave
the
local
papers.
We
with
the
council,
blogs,
read
the
you
know
your
letters
and
etc,
etc,
and
this
is
another
tool
that
makes
it
simple.
If.
I
I
may
again,
respectfully
during
the
recent
door
knock
with
respect
to
the
local
commercial
study.
For
instance,
there
any
number
of
people
who
are
renting
semi-detached
houses
in
one
part
of
my
ward
had
the
local
commercial
study
proceeded
as
it
was
going
to.
They
could
potentially
of
working
up
one
day
next
to
a
gelato
shop.
They
had
no
indication
at
all
that
this
study
was
under
way
and
as
far
as
I
can
tell
in
large
part,
that
was
because
they
were
tenants.
The
landowners
had
received
notifications,
but
not
the
occupants
of
the
houses.
B
That's
something
that
we
have
to
take
on
for
sure,
because
I
think
that
we
go
beyond
what
other
municipalities
do
in
notification
and
we
obviously
take
it
seriously,
which
is
why
we
have
come
up
with
a
simpler
format
that
has
far
less
words
and
you
might
have
a
chance
of
understanding
them.
Even
if
you
have
never
looked
at
one
before
and.
A
K
The
material
looks
good,
at
least
as
as
the
initial
material
submitted
to
people,
but
I
think
there
are
two
things
we
need
to
be
protective
of.
One
is
that
the
consultation
received
goes
to
the
people
who
actually
make
the
decisions.
No
I
don't
want
to
see
a
repeat
of
when
we
did
the
garbage
consultation
back
four
or
five
years
ago,
and
all
the
consultation
was
collected
and
members
of
council
didn't
see
it.
They
just
got
a
summary
from
from
staff
and
and
we
voted
based
on
that
for
it
to
be
consultation.
K
K
That's
that's
in
the
one
going
to
the
residents
I'm
talking
when
they
send
an
answer.
They
have
to
be
comfortable
to
know
that
it's
going
number
of
counsel,
because
right
now,
I'm
getting
two
types
of
people
phoning
us
on
different
issues
with
not
this
issue.
But
issues.
Are
they
right
into
the
general
city
website
where
a
they
either
assume
that
we
got
it
when
we
didn't
or
be
they're
frustrated,
because
they
don't
know
for
sure
that
we're
getting
it
so.
B
K
L
K
B
A
Madam
chair
I
know
that
this
has
been
looked
at
in
the
context
of
other
consultation.
I
recall
that
it
was
raised
by
counselors
rally
in
the
last
term,
I,
so
two
thoughts,
a
I
would
think
that
it
would.
It
would
only
be
an
upon
request
to
the
counselor,
because
some
members
of
council
may
not
wish
to
receive
copies
of
all
forms
and
on
the
privacy
aspects.
I
will
ensure
that
you
receive
a
response
and
all
members
of
committee
within
this
week
with
respect
to
that
aspect.
I'm
not.
K
Get
back
to
you,
okay!
Well,
if
it,
if
it
is
the
same
law
which
I
believe
it
is
we
hand
on
the
rest
of
the
corporation,
then
we
simply
need
an
indication
on
there
that
your.
If
your
comment
will
be
sent
to
your
councilmember
and
the
opportunity
to
opt
out
of
that
if
they
want
to.
But
again
we
make
the
decisions,
not
staff.
B
Or
staff,
so
they
don't
have
to
think
about
which
of
the
23
people
plus
the
mayor
want
to
have
that
information
and
so
I
think
as
part
of
what
your
little
investigation
mr.
mark
would
be
on
the
privacy.
Perhaps
you
could
give
some
thought
to
what
staff
would
have
to
add
very
simply
to
the
form
that
shows
that
that
information
would
be
shared
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
the
most
simple
way
and
then
simply
direction
to
staff,
and
there
may
be
some
files
that
come
forward
that
you
may
want
all
the
information.
B
D
K
My
second
question
is
when,
when
groups
become
concerned
about
an
application,
my
experiences,
no
matter
how
much
information
you
put
on
the
website.
They
not.
We
have
no
problem
with
it
being
that
larger
volume
they
actually
want
more
of
it
and
they
read
every
single
word
in
it.
So
I
want
to
ensure
that
all
of
that
stuff,
that
is
there
now
in
DevOps,
will
still
be
there
for
people
to
search
including
the
studies,
technical
studies,
including
the
traffic
studies,
including.
K
Elevations,
sometimes
they
have
market
analysis
and
all
of
those
things
that
went
into
the
inputs
in
staff
recommendations
remain
there
on
the
site.
Even
if
you
have
this
this
as
sort
of
a
primary
layer
that
people
will
look
at
because
it's
simpler
for
the
worker
bees
of
the
communities
who
have
to
sort
through
everything
I
still
want
to
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
still
going
to
be
there
and
that
if
somebody
wants
to
appeal
our
decision,
all
of
that
stuff
is
still
there.
So
do
we
get
that
assurance.
K
B
Very
much
anybody
else,
so
I'm
I
did
another
five
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
very
much
for
the
presentation
and
thank
you,
mr.
Mazzy,
for
your
leadership
and
I
wanted
to
say
that
last
Wednesday,
the
entire
staff
of
planning
growth
management
met
in
two
different
sessions,
one
in
the
morning
with
half
the
staff
one
in
the
afternoon
at
the
nepean
sportsplex
and
the
whole
theme
was
partnership
and
there
was
some
sub
themes
that
came
up
like
no
surprises
from
mrs.
Madden.
That's
her!
That's
her
particular
theme
and
it
was
led
by
mr.
B
Mazzy
and
it
was
very
well
done
and
Charmaine
was
the
lead
I
think
in
organizing
it.
I
spoke
at
both
sessions
and
it
was
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
relationships
in
the
end.
Remember
the
fact
that
were
in
the
customer
service
business,
so
it
was
a.
It
was
a
good
day
and
I
hope
that
the
feedback
that
you're
getting
from
it
supports
that
have
you
received
feedback
from
staff.
Yes,.
L
B
On
our
first
meeting
that
we
had
where
I
was
speaking
about,
building
blocks,
charmagne
was
mentioning
the
panel.
What
happened
at
the
panel
was
we
had
pierre
de
frame
from
the
industry.
We
had
sheila
perry
from
the
FCA
and
myself
and
mr.
Mizzy,
and
we
all
had
the
same
questions
and
then
staff,
where
I
were
encouraged
to
ask
other
questions.
B
What
was
remarkable
that
here
we
are
just
about
six
months
into
our
new
term
and
no
our
first
year
and
the
desire
to
have
that
the
building
blocks
and
the
the
better
community
consultation
that
it's
evident
in
the
comments
that
were
made,
there's
so
much
more
collaboration,
so
staff
are
doing
a
great
job
in
in,
but
bringing
all
that
together.
The
vice
chair,
attorney
and
I
have
been
pretty
to
several
opportunities
where
we
have
seen
them
thanks.
Very
much.
B
B
Good
other
business
I
have
other
business
I
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
on
June,
the
1st,
if
you
haven't,
got,
received
an
invite,
yet
we're
going
to
be
having
a
tour.
Our
first
planning,
both
management,
tour
and
Natalie
in
my
office,
is
going
to
be
taking
the
lead,
along
with
mr.
Hawaiian
and
his
staff,
and
we've
decided
on
to
start
at
center
town
and
go
west,
and
so
we're
going
to
go.
B
It
actually
has
four
accesses
to
the
416
and
417,
and
the
time
has
come
for
that
kind
of
a
look.
So
councillors
shall
we
be
taking
the
lead.
We're
going
to
come
back
here
and
mr.
casey,
who
built
the
merit,
the
lovely
building
here
that
looks
like
ghostbusters
in
front
of
us
here,
we'll
get
off
the
bus
he's
going
to
give
us
a
tour
of
the
merit.
Folks
from
me
from
the
media.
B
You're
welcome
to
attend
as
well,
and
certainly
other
members
of
council,
the
other
thing
that
we're
going
to
be
doing,
and
we
don't
have
a
meeting
date
yet,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
mid-june.
It's
going
to
be
a
work
session,
a
working
session
for
members
of
planning
committee.
We
do
this
once
a
term
we'll
be
talking
about
strategic
initiatives,
a
work
plan
and
work
that
what
we
have
before
us
and
talking
about
things
that
you
would
also
like
to
include
that
hour
can
be
a
can,
be
achieved,
not
pie
in
the
sky.