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Planning Committee meeting – June 9, 2015 – Audio Stream
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B
A
Thank
you,
everyone
for
for
attending
today's
planning
meeting.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments.
This
is
items
three
to
five
in
today's
agenda,
for
the
items
listed
above
can
I
just
ask
everybody
to
stop
talking.
Please
mister
genes,
hello,
I,
know
what
congratulations
on
being
the
new
chair
of
heritage
genre,
but
if
you
could
just
have
your
attention
for
a
few
minutes.
A
For
the
items
listed
above,
only
those
who
make
all
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
general
municipal
board.
In
addition,
the
applicant
will
appeal
the
matter
to
the
internal
Municipal.
Board
of
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
120
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
180
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment.
A
comment
sheet
is
available
at
the
door
for
anyone
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments.
A
A
Okay.
First
item
is
a
referral
from
the
agricultural
affairs
committee.
It's
the
amendment
or
a
modification
to
development
charge
bylaw
the
village
of
Richmond.
We
do
have
a
speaker
in
our
position,
but
council
vice-chair
tyranny
is
moving
a
deferral
on
this
item
until
the
june
23rd,
a
planning
meeting.
A
Thank
you
that
radiating
that
meeting
is
June.
The
23rd
is
and
miss
Cohen
are
you?
What
do
you
want
to
speak
to
default?
Are
you
okay,
okay,
thanks
very
much
okay,
so
I
am
too
is
the
amendment
of
modification
to
development,
charge
bylaw
portions
of
manitech
and
miss
Nolan,
so
you
have
you
here:
you'll
find
out
further
to
your
conversation
and
you'll
be
having
a
discussion
between
now
and
counsel.
A
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
is
this
Carrie
Carrie!
Thank
you.
These
are
both
sigh
accounts
for
chair
of
Eric
Scott
Moffitt's
items.
Number
three
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
1401,
only
no
zone
streets
and
I
have
no
one
to
speak
on
that
item.
Does
anyone
the
audience
want
to
speak
to
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
1401
only
Ozone
know
is
that
Carrie
then,
if
it's
a
really
quick
question,
ask
it
really
quickly.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
am
just
wondering
there's
an
exception
proposed
in
this
proposal
to
allow
for
parking
between
the
front
of
the
house
and
the
street
when
I'm
looking
at
the
site
plan,
I'm,
just
not
able
to
quite
see
where
that
is.
Maybe
somebody
can
come
off
line
and
show
me
exactly
where
that
parking
is.
A
A
A
A
Six
is
the
semi
annual
performance
report
to
Council
q4
and
q1
2015.
We
have
no
registered
speakers.
Can
that
one
be
Carrie?
Okay.
Thank
you.
The
next
one
is
proposed
2015
to
2018
term
of
council
priorities,
and
we
have
two
speakers
on
that.
One,
so
we'll
hold
that
one
number
eight
is
Habitat
for
Humanity
deferral
of
development
charges
for
979
Eve
Street,
one
for
1277
Cousineau
street
and
1279
Cousineau
Street
in
Orleans,
ward
and
rock
cliff
Lido
rock
record.
Does
anyone
want
to
hold
this
I?
Don't
have
any
speakers
register?
A
Okay,
she
will
hold
that
and
I'm
sure
you
don't
want
to
hold
by
American
Planning
Association
sustainable
Seattle
conference,
update,
received
unique
you're.
Just
lucky.
I
didn't
have
more
time
when
I
wanted
to
wait
till
the
next
planning,
because
I
had
like
five
more
sessions
than
I
was
going
to
write,
really
thought.
Geez
I
should
have
picked
the
one
on
Stockholm,
because
that
was
really
interesting.
But
at
some
point
I
just
said:
I
can't
do
this
anymore.
A
So
I,
just
if
I
could
have
everybody's
attention,
given
the
very
strong
interest
in
the
planning
committee
tour
last
Monday
and
the
client
relationship
leader
pilot
project
announced
on
that
tour.
I'd.
Ask
that
any
of
you,
if
you
wish,
would
be
a
good
time
now
to
ask
question
I
know
many
people
have
questions.
I
also
want
to
offer
you
the
opportunity
or
remind
you
that
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
we
booked
next
Monday
the
15th
as
our
workshop
for
a
work
plan
and,
as
you
know
well,
some
of
you
know.
A
Normally
we
would
have
approved
the
work
plan
a
long
time
ago,
but
because
it
was
an
election
year
we're
later
on
that
file,
so
the
work
plan
after
we
have
a
workshop
will
be
on
the
July.
The
8th
I
think
it's
July.
The
8th
is
the
is
the
planning
date
and
but,
if
you're,
a
no
counselor
egg,
why
is
waiting
with
bated
breath
to
ask
those
questions?
So
does
everybody
agree
that
you'd
like
to
do
that?
Okay,
so
everybody
sure
okay,
thank.
F
You
sure
I
guess
the
question
really
based
on
the
one
I
proceeded
a
lot
of
feedback
from
from
my
various
community
associations,
individual
residents
and
I.
Guess
it
boils
down,
is
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
community
is
that
they're
concerned
about
the
balance
of
this?
In
other
words,
they
want
to
know
why
this
and
and
I
understand
the
justification
for
it
and
I've
read
through
the
memos.
F
They
want
to
know
why
this
new
role
is
not
also
available
or
accessible
by
by
community
residents
or,
what's
to
assist
a
community
individual,
whether
it's
an
adjoining
property
owner,
a
community
association.
What
have
you,
if
they're
having
issues
with
getting
information
or
or
dealing
with
the
planning
application
from
their
perspective?
So
they
want?
What's
the
balance?
Okay,.
A
For
the
most
part
they
care
about
having
street
lights
turned
on
getting
streets
turned
over
to
the
city,
so
they
can
be
plowed
whether
the
park
is
finished,
yet
they
hold
garage
sales
and
they
try
to
leave
each
other
and
they
invited
they
get
involved
in
caring
day
and
stuff
like
that.
So
this
is
about
a
way.
The
recommendations
that
are
part
of
the
work
plan
are
inclusive
they're,
not
just
for
community
associations
or
for
all
the
residents
in
the
city
and
there's
some
really
good
ones
that
we'll
be
discussing.
A
A
This
is
one
point
of
contact
for
the
developers
who
pushes
their
own
decision
making
problem
solving
to
staff.
Well,
it
should
be
for
operational
issues
and
I
can
tell
you
just
as
an
example
yesterday.
Well
as
I'm
way
back
through
airports,
I
had
four
different
developers
to
contacted
me,
which
caused
me
just
like
a
tree.
A
A
You
may
not
get
calls
from
the
developer,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
right
now,
the
people
that
are
at
the
senior
management
to
make
the
decisions
of
how
best
to
operate
they
do,
and
so
do
I
and
subject
so
discount
vice-chair
tyranny
and,
quite
frankly,
it's
a
waste
of
time.
One
happens
that
way,
so
this
is
something
they
decided
to
do
as
a
six-month
I
think
it's
a
six-month
pilot
project
and
we're
not
adding
any
new
staff
and
we're
not
adding
to
the
budget.
A
F
A
The
workshop
and
then
I
will
count
on
all
members
of
council
to
have
interested
communities
and
community
associations.
Hopefully
you
have
time
to
draft
a
letter,
a
blog
but
a
letter
in
your
local
papers
to
tell
people
about
some
of
those
initiatives
that
they'll
be
most
interested
in
June.
The
8th
would
be
a
public
it's
on
the
agenda
as
an
item
and
then
it
will
go
to
council
I
think
the
next
day.
So.
F
A
A
We're
not
going
off
track
we're
very
much
on
track
with
everything
that
I
said
with
the
direction
we
wanted
to
go
and
I
can
tell
you
that
what
we
have
done,
starting
with
the
meeting
that
we
have
was
several
of
the
FCA
people
back
in
January,
is
we've
listened.
We've
listened,
we've
listened
on
the
tour.
We've
listened
when
Sheila
Perry
was
at
an
event
where
she
was
speaking
on
behalf.
We
had
a
panel
discussion.
We
listened
through
the
info
project
which,
before
used
to
be
quite
exclusive,
you'd,
have
you'd,
have
the
developers
over
here.
A
There's
cities
somewhere
here
the
communities
over
there
and
nobody
getting
together
and
and
that's
an
initiative
also
that
Miss
Sneddon
undertook
and
said,
wait
a
minute.
You
guys
you're
all
doing
your
own
thing
here.
You're
all
doing
your
own
thing
here
so
on
the
local
commercial
and
on
the
infill.
They
absolutely
brought
them
all
together
at
the
same
time,
and
we
found
that
very
effective.
That's
another
thing
that
we
learned
from
I'm
excited
about
your
action
on
Monday.
A
H
First
question:
we
just
received
the
semi-annual
port,
but
we
didn't
have
a
chance
to
acknowledge
what
what
looks
to
be
huge
improvements
in
on-time
performance
in
2014
in
terms
the
percentages
own
in
power,
amendment
obligations
that
are
each
City
Council
decisions
on
target,
a
hundred
percent
in
the
fourth
quarter
of
2014
and
similarly-
and
you
know
impressive
improvements
in
some
of
the
other
areas,
so
I
guess.
My
first
question
is:
what
problem
are
you
trying
to
solve
with
this
program?.
I
Madam
chair,
through
you,
yes,
there's
a
excellent
performance
ratings
and
certainly
will,
as
a
senior
manager,
we're
always
looking
at
continuous
improvement.
So
this
a
pilot
project
is
another
continuous
improvement
recommendation
for
a
change
in
business
process.
The
challenge
to
answer
your
question
counselor,
on
what
the
problem
is,
is
through
some
of
certainly
my
observations
that
we
have
any
large
organization
is
going
to
be
in
mood
to
escalate
issues.
There
are
always
complications,
there's
extenuating
circumstances.
I
There
are
situations
where
we're
not
having
the
standard
business
practice,
so
the
opportunities
where
we
need,
as
as
a
group,
to
be
able
to
those
situations,
and
we
need
to
ensure
consistency
and
ensure
that
applicants
are
following
due
process.
So
what
was
happening
is
these
things
were
being
addressed
on
an
ad
hoc
basis?
What
this
program
does?
Is
it
formalizes
with
providing
one
point
of
contact?
We're
then
able
to
address
issues
of
consistency
in.
H
Terms
of
that
point
of
contact,
can
you
just
explain
to
us
how
it
works?
You
have
hundreds
of
applicants
each
year
so
as
part
of
the
pilot
program,
how
does
it
work
if
any
applicant
who's
interested
in
being
a
part
of
this
program
signals
their
interest
and
then
you
would
assign
whatever
you're
calling
them
relationship
leaders
to
anyone
who
asks
for
that
or
is
there
a
screening
process?
Are
you
trying
to
target
a
particular
type
of
applicant,
a
small
one
that
say
maybe
doesn't
have
the
professional
experience
and
expertise
to
navigate
planning
issues
or.
I
Pilot
the
six-month
pilot
we'll
be
looking
at
twenty
of
our
major
development
firms.
That's
both
on
the
residential
and
commercial
side.
Those
are
those
development
firms
that
have
multiple
applications,
so
we're
doing
with
those
that
may
have
five
six
seven
eight
applications
going
on
at
the
same
time.
So
the
pilot
itself
is
to
address
stronger
communications
internally,
stronger
communications
on
those
portfolio
and
the
management
of
the
portfolio
of
applications
and
stronger
communications
internally
with
staff.
I
H
Says
in
the
memo
that
this
is
a
volunteer
program,
can
you
explain
what
current
responsibilities
that
staff
are
executing,
which
they
are
no
to
be
able
to
execute?
Because
although
it's
called
a
volunteer
program,
I
assume
the
expectation?
Is
these
people
are
working
during
normal
working
hours,
they're,
not
working
evenings
and
weekends
to
fulfill
this
role?
So
can
you
just
explain
to
me
these
people
who
didn't
have
anything
to
do
and
now
you're
providing
them
something
to
do
or
they
have
to
draw
up
other
files
in
order
to
do.
I
I
I
H
H
Just
wanted
to
ask
about
the
focus
on
major
developers.
I
mean
my
reaction
to
your
answer
is
in
my
six
months
here.
I
haven't
noticed
that
the
larger
developers
are
having
any
problem,
navigating
City
Hall
by
developers
by
their
lobbyists
by
their
lawyers.
They
seem
to
be
very
sophisticated
players
so
again,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand.
Have
they
articulated
to
you
the
feeling
that,
notwithstanding
the
sophistication
that
they
need,
this
additional
level
of
single
single
point
of
contact,
I'm.
I
I
We've
got
limited
staff
resources
that
review
stormwater
water
wastewater
traffic
plans
with
planners
that
are
addressing
a
variety
of
issues,
so
it's
the
technical
review,
so
we
are
then
assigning
staff
to
work
on
a
more
balanced
and
consistent
approach
to
ensuring
that
the
work
is
getting
completed
from
an
application
processing
perspective.
So
it's
a
workload
management
and
it's
balancing
the
priorities
coming
forward.
I.
I
A
good
question,
madam
chair:
we
see
clients
and
a
number
of
of
forms
in
this
particular
case.
With
this
particular
pilot,
the
client
term
is
being
used
to
identify
those
that
are
filling
out
applications
and
and
paying
a
fee
to
the
city
for
services.
So
in
this
particular
case
in
this
particular
pilot,
this
is
the
view
of
using
the
term
client
that
does
not
limit
what
our
definition
of
clients
would
be,
whether
that
be
residents,
community
associations,
other
agencies
and
organizations,
yeah.
H
I
mean
I
guess
my
reaction
to
that
is
the
problem
with
that
sort
of
nomenclature
is
for
every
application.
There
is
an
applicant
and
then
there
is
a
public
interest
component
to
that
application,
and
lining
management
is
ultimately
a
form
of
regulation
and
it's
a
you,
are
serving
the
public
interest
and
so
I
think
it's
unfortunate
wording,
because
when
you
call
a
client
relationship
notwithstanding
that
there's
a
responsibility
for
timely
processing
of
applications,
I
think
we
all
understand
that
and
as
I
noted,
the
performance
is
vastly
improved
and
that's
a
good
thing.
H
It
suggests
that
the
Public
Interest
role
of
regulating
zoning,
which
ultimately
is
a
public
interest
function,
is
subsumed
by
some
responsibility
to
one
stakeholder
when
in
fact,
there
are
many
stakeholders
with
the
applicant
and
then
there
is
the
public
and
there
are
community
associations,
and
then
there
are
affected
neighbors
and
so
on,
and
so
I
think
part
of
the
public
reaction
were
hearing
about
is
the
fact
that
this
suggests
a
privileged
relationship
for
an
applicant
over
other
stakeholders
who
have
just
as
legitimate
a
claim
on
the
public
interest
as
an
applicant
does.
So.
A
I
think
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
what
you
said.
The
last
comments
you
made
about
the
fact
that
these
are
the
largest
developers
that
have
several
applications,
for
example
mr.
Phillips's,
in
the
room
here,
and
he
is
a
large
developer
and
it's
in
the
suburban
areas,
but
also
look
at
the
work
he's
doing
cultural
repos
area
right
now
they
have
multiple
files,
and
so
therefore,
it's
more
complex
think
you
heard
mrs.
A
Sneden
say
that
it's
important
that
we,
who
can't
do
everything
and
no
matter
how
many
applications
that
put
in
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
manage
them
all
at
the
same
time,
so
understand
those
priorities
they're
having
somebody
that
works
through
the
system,
so
that
I'm
not
getting
the
call
that
causes
the
call
that
causes
whatever
and
then
it
goes
down
the
chain.
It's
a
waste
of
time.
A
Quite
frankly,
when
simply
one
person
could
who
has
the
appropriate
context
and
again,
your
question
about
the
client
I
think
that
we
all
know
that
we're
in
the
customer
service
business,
no
matter
who
we're
serving
so
you
can
call
it
whatever
you
want
you
could.
We
could
call
it
a
you,
could
call
it
whatever
the
calling
it
is,
the
semantics
of
it.
The
fact
is,
is
this:
it's
a
decision
on
operations.
I
Them
yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
counselor
makes
it
with
some
good
points
around
the
perception
of
what
that
lens
and
I
think
other
words
that
have
been
used
and
been
floated
around
I
think
have
had
some
reaction
to
it
as
well.
Those
certainly
aren't
the
terms
that
we
are
using
for
this
program.
However,.
I
Different
names
really
is
a
business
process
change
and
less
emphasis
on
the
fact
that
we
would
be
eliminating
any
other
types
of
clients
that
would
deal
with.
We
have
a
process
in
place
where
we
engage
residents
and
community
associations
through
the
development
application
process.
That
will
continue
that
will
not
change,
will
only
see
that
improve
in
time,
and
this
does
not
put
anyone
in
any
type
of
an
advantage
in
processing
applications.
I
H
Thinking
about
these
issues
in
great
detail
next
week
and
I'll
tell
you,
my
interest
will
be
in
looking
at
ways
in
which
the
department
can
ensure
that
that
type
of
openness
and
accessibility
is
available
to
all
stakeholders
and
not
just
applicants.
That
would
be
my
priority
next
week.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
that's
fair
comment
and
I
think
that
you're
going
to
be
excited
by
some
of
the
things
that
are
already
planned
for
the
fall
again,
recognizing
that
how
many
times
we
heard
on
the
table
don't
have
public
meetings
in
the
summer
because
the
people
aren't
engaged
is
slightly.
These
things
are
set
for
the
fall
and
they're
building
that
what
we've
heard
and
listened
to
and
not
everybody
is
the
same.
Everybody
has
unique
needs
who's
next
councillor
key
of
A
and
then
councillor
Lake,
answer
Leifer
councillor
Qadri
councillor
Sorelli.
Thank.
J
You,
madam
chair
I,
want
to
actually
applaud
the
chair
for
efforts
here
and
miss
Nunn,
because
I
happen
to
represent
a
ward
that
has
a
lot
of
files
and
I
see
firsthand
what
you're
trying
to
solve
here.
I,
don't
see
it
as
an
exclusive
offer
only
to
developers,
I
think
we
as
councillors
representing
our
residents
in
most
cases
very
well.
You
know,
with
no
disrespect
to
my
colleague
as
he
said,
he's
drawing
these
conclusions
based
on
a
couple
months
worth
of
experience
here.
J
J
But
in
the
meantime
it's
our
job
and
I
think
we
all
have
to
remember
that
that
we
are
the
elected
representatives
of
the
community,
and
so
we
are
there,
whatever
you
want
to
call
a
client
service,
rep
or
whatever,
in
not
only
the
planning
process,
but
every
other
process
here
at
City
Hall.
So
thank
you
for
your
efforts.
Thank.
K
You
I
can
see
here
cancer
brain.
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
I.
Think
it's
important
to
note
too
that
the
comments
so
far
today
and
and
even
much
of
the
analysis
of
this
project
in
the
media
have
seemed
to
been
very
focused
on
infill
development
and
in
a
core
development,
even
the
the
stat
that
counts
the
respond
use
on
on
zoning.
K
From
from
all
aspects,
zoning
happens
and
then
there's
7,000
things
that
happen
after
that
that
need
to
be
coordinated
before
houses
can
start
to
be
built,
whether
its
infrastructure,
whether
its
utilities,
whether
it's
dealing
with
conservation
authorities,
for
you,
know,
traffic
patterns,
the
innumerable
ways
in
which,
having
a
point
person
to
manage
that
is
beneficial,
not
just
beneficial
for
the
applicant
to
the
the
the
viewpoint
that
has
been
expressed
so
far
seems
to
think
that
the
public
and
the
applicant
are
going
to
always
have
conflicting
views.
In
my
experience,
they're
not
conflicting.
K
The
public
just
wants
the
thing
done,
and
it's
red
tape
and
lack
of
coordination.
That's
stopping
it
from
happening,
whether
it's
that
new
mayor
that
needs
to
go
to
the
grocery
store
and
the
suburbs
can
open.
So
people
don't
have
to
drive
20
minutes
to
buy
groceries
or
go
to
the
gym
or
whatever
all
weather
services
are
coming.
It's
really
important
that
those
things
be
coordinated,
so
I
guess
my
question
amount
of
Miss
Neda
would
be.
Will
this
person
have
power
to
make
decisions,
because
if
they
don't
I,
think
it's
useless.
I
I'm
sure
there
is
a
good
question
in
how
we
are
arranging
this
program,
we're
going
to
have
the
2020
client
relationship
leaders
and
they
will
be
working
on
reviewing
issues
for
consistency.
They'll
also
be
having
open
access
to
the
management
staff
on
a
regular
basis.
So
if
they
have
issues
that
mean
to
be
escalated,
that
require
a
management,
support
and
decision
on
that
there
will
be
have
direct
access
to
the
managers
to
be
able
to
help
make
that
decision
they'll
be
delivering
that
response,
but
it
will
be
effective
in
the
way
better.
I
Expectation,
madam
chairs
of
the
emails,
would
go
to
the
claim
relationship
leader
and
they
wouldn't
have
to
go
to
mr.
Moser.
They
could
be
bypassed.
I
would
expect
that
if,
after
the
client
relationship
leader,
if
they
were
not
able
to
resolve
and
that
you
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
myself,
then
obviously
I
would
hope
that
you
know
escalation
would
go
from
from
that
perspective.
But
it's
the
expectation
that
we
are
eliminating,
that
wonderful.
K
So
again,
madam
chair
I
think
this
is
a
way
to
cut
red
tape.
Obviously,
we
need
to
ensure
that
the
public
has
sufficient
access
to
planning
applications.
They
have
all
the
information
on
the
apps
web
site.
Community
associations
are
circulated
all
the
technical
documents
in
hardcopy
we
had
a
planning
forum
three
or
four
years
ago.
We
have
planning
primers
three
or
four
times
a
year.
The
name
of
the
planner
who's
assigned
to
a
file
is
published,
as
is
their
email
and
direct
phone
number
I.
K
Think
there's
lots
of
access
for
the
community
to
planning
applications
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
need
to.
We
should
approach
planning
as
a
combative
relationship
between
the
community
and
the
home
building
and
the
home
building
industry
home
builders,
whether
they're
in
residential
builders
or
commercial
builders,
employ
tens
of
thousands
of
people
in
our
city
and
if
red
tape
clogs
them
up,
those
are
people
that
don't
have
jobs
as
plain
and
simple
and
they
live
in
our
neighborhoods.
They
live
in
our
neighborhoods
in
every
part
of
the
city.
Thank
you
very
much
for
sure.
Thank.
I
I'm
sure
is
a
great
question:
we're
still
working
on
the
pilot
as
we
speak.
I'm
certainly
I'm.
Our
first
supporter
of
transparency
and
I
could
see
that
there
wouldn't
be
any
reason
why
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
share
that
information.
My
only
concern
would
be
just
in
terms
of
how
we
position
that
the
rule,
and
so
along
with
their
their
names,
I'd
like
to
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
familiar
with
what
the
rules
and
responsibilities
are
of
the
client
relationship,
we're
just
so
that's
clear
to
everyone
as
well.
I
D
Be
interesting
to
see
not
just
what
the
challenges
are,
but
just
day-to-day
the
operation
of
the
universe
between
the
developer
and
CI
LS,
what
our
developer
seeking
help
with
and
then
what
actions
are
our
CIOs
taking
in
order
to
deal
with
that,
just
in
the
interest
of
transparency,
this
is
my
final
question.
Is
this:
is
a
lobbying
activity
through
registrations
that
a
developer
has
approached
to
crl
with
help
with
an
issue.
I
Sure,
no,
they
would
not
show
up
on
the
lobbyist
registry.
That
would
only
show
up
with
the
manager
levels
of
meetings
for
health
managers.
This
is
a
staff
level.
So
what
this
does
is
it
really
puts
what
I
call
putting
the
power
to
the
edge
of
the
organization
so
putting
the
decision-making
process
on
day
to
day
operational
issues
to
the
staff
level
that
that
can
be
empowered
to
be
able
to
respond
to
those
day-to-day
issues?
D
I
My
chair,
for
you,
that's
not
the
intention
of
the
program.
I
I
see
this
as
regular
updates
and
communications
with
the
client
relationship
leader
as
a
relates
to
sort
of
day-to-day
operational
issues
and
a
lot
of
times
as
a
communications
challenge
that
we're
really
fixing
with
with
these
kinds
of
meetings.
I
just
want
to
point
out
to
everyone
as
well,
but
we
still
have
firewoods
responsible
for
each
one
of
the
applications
that
come
in
and
those
really
are.
I
You
know:
project
managers
for
processing
applications
and
the
client
relationship
leader
is
really
just
an
oversight,
function
for
sort
of
general
issues
and
concerns
that
come
up
so
I
to
make
an
answer.
A
short
answer,
no
I,
don't
believe
that
it's
for
the
process,
because
I
do
believe
we'll
still
see
those
issues
that
are
broader
nature
that
will
want
to
have
face
time
with
applicants
when
there
are
major
issues
with
senior
managers.
A
I
A
Depends
on
size
and
that
sort
of
thing
but
I
know
in
the
experience
of
those
of
us
in
the
southwest
and
really
has
a
ton
of
them
from
Bhargav
and
I,
don't
know
about
Riverside,
so
the
rights
to
Stateville
they're,
larger
they're
complex.
So
is
this
a
helpmate
for
them
when
there's
one
coordination
needs
to
have
happen?
Madam.
I
Chair
absolutely,
our
staff
are
carrying
multiple
files
and
they
are
dealing
with
multiple
applicants
and
multiple
parts
of
the
city.
So
this
client
relationship
leader,
it
will
be.
Oh,
it's
a
two-way
communication.
So
it's
it's!
Ensuring
that
we're
communicating
through
the
file
leads
to
the
client
relationship
leader
on
issues
that
they
may
be
having
with
a
particular
file
or
issue
that
this
person
can
then
play
a
bit
of
an
interface
and
help
support
them
and
in
achieving
what
they
need
to
achieve
or
following
due
process
with
their
file.
Absolutely.
A
You
know
because
it
is
very
competitive,
the
strategic
initiatives
you're
going
to
find
that
there
is
a
recommendation
to
review
the
standards
and
where
we
really
weigh
down
is
in
stormwater
and
roads
and
and
and
and
all
those
very
complex
things
as
councillor.
He
was
saying
and
councillor
bleh
when
you're
first,
starting
with
the
green
fields,
it's
unbelievable
and
capturing
and
connecting
those
dots.
It's
is
a
very
large
job.
A
So
having
that
point
of
contact
that
isn't
myself
or
your
well,
not
one
bu,
but
Kelso,
hubely
or
excepted,
which
gets
us
engaged
councillor,
Kadri
gets
us
all
engaged
and
we
are
then
you
know
chasing
down.
Who
really
to
talk
to.
This
is
a
person
that
will
know
that
it's
going
to
save
a
lot
of
time
and
also
from
my
perspective
and
it's
one
of
the
things
I
talked
about
in
my
inaugural
speech,
talking
about
the
urban
boundary
and
how
that
was
so
important
to
me.
A
B
B
I
Madam
chair,
the
file
leads,
the
staff
from
the
planners
are
responsible
for
their
files
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
Sometimes
there
are
issues
that
we
do
see
escalations,
so
there
may
be
complications
with
the
file
could
be
a
miscommunication
but
could
be
additional
decisions
that
need
to
be
made
because,
as
a
counselor
I
pointed
out
and
as
you
know,
as
well-
a
cancer
cadre
when
you're
building
in
Greenfield
there
is
it's
it's
a
complex
process,
so
sometimes
you
do
silver.
Second
thought
or
additional
supports
to
get
to
get
the
job
done.
I
B
In
my
community,
where
the
application
was
never
delivered
to
us,
I
was
too
late
or
whatever
the
case
is
yet
we're
not
offering
that
same
service
to
the
average
public.
To
anything,
the
public
really
has
is
to
read
the
report
called
the
planner
and
get
one
or
two
questions
answered
or
go
to
their
counselor
and
then
there's
a
restriction
on
that.
Also,
in
terms
of
four
was
mentioned
earlier
about
the
largest
REE
to
me,
I
think
you
were
creating
an
unfair
system
where
the
public,
in
terms
of.
I
I
Hasn't
changed.
This
really
is
an
internal
business
process.
It's
a
realignment
of
kind
of
responsibilities
within
this
particular
area
of
oversight
and
project
management,
I
have
a
number
of
applications
and
files,
as
relates
to
some
of
our
major
firms,
so
I
see
that
there
is
a
major
shift
or
change
in
the
process
that
residents
have
today.
I
L
A
Could
go
into
some
details
but
I
don't
think
that
would
be
appropriate.
We
have
a
plan
we,
but
we
we
planned
at
least
couple
weeks
ago
for
a
workshop
for
that
date
and
that's
the
day
that
we
are
going
to
be
discussing
all
that.
But
this
is
here.
I
think
I
will
be
surprised
if
you're
not
pleased.
Thank.
B
You
for
that
metal
chair
now,
just
one
further
question:
Matt
eregistry.
How
is
this
going
to
be
handled
through
the
lobby
registry
right
now?
If
the
public
calls
my
office
or
comes
to
meet
with
me,
I
have
to
register
that
and
so
the
day
in
terms
of
getting
what
I
would
classify.
In
my
humble
opinion,
as
extra
help.
B
B
F
Job,
madam
chair,
with
respect
to
the
public,
making
representations
with
respect
to
matters
planning
matters
before
the
department.
It's
my
understanding
that
they
do
not
have
to
register
with
respect
to
the
client
relationship,
leads
I'm,
going
to
be
discussing
that
with
the
city
solicitor
and
will
endeavour
to
ensure
the
committee
has
a
response
before
Monday.
A
A
Obviously,
don't
have
the
sensitivities
of
the
summers
with
community
associations
beyond
holidays,
so
the
six
months
would
start
a
few
started.
We
started
as
soon
as
you
figure
out
exactly
what
it
is
so
in
the
new
year
you'd
be
coming
for.
You
could
come
back
to
this
committee
with
a
report
on
how
it's
going
and
what
difference
it's
made
from
a
time
management
perspective
for
staff,
absolutely.
E
E
I've
heard
this
kind
of
dreamy
talk
about
rainbows
and
unicorns
relationship
between
applicants
in
the
city,
but
that's
fundamentally
incorrect,
fundamentally
legislatively
under
the
law
in
Ontario.
This
is
an
adversarial
relationship.
This
is
a
process
where
your
job
is
to
be
an
adjudicator.
It's
not
to
grease
the
wheels
for
anybody.
So
I'm
wondering
when
you
say
that
some
of
the
decisions
will
be
made
from
where
they
are
today
to
staff.
How
about
in
any
way
is
consistent
with
our
role
as
adjudicators
as
opposed
to
facilitators.
F
Chair
I
would
concur
with
your
comments
that
it's
not
an
adversarial
process,
certainly
the
role
that
the
legal
services
takes
on
and
Frontera
misma
board
is,
but
with
respect
to
making
an
application
and
running
that
through
the
process,
I
would
very
much
concur
that
it
is
a
regulatory
process
meant
to
see
that
planning
applications
are
dealt
with
in
a
timely
fashion,
but
calling
it
adversarial
I
I,
don't
think
it's
a
correct
characterization
of
the
process.
Well,.
F
A
C
Chair
this
particular
question
has
been
asked
of
many
municipalities
across
the
province
who
survey
this
kind
of
information.
We
keep
a
tab
on
these
statistics
ourselves.
Our
department
receives
approximately
500
applications
a
year
and,
as
mr.
mark
states,
I
would
think
it's
a
lot
if
we
hit
20
that
go
to
the
board.
Generally,
the
ratio
is
five
percent
or
less
of
the
applications
to
end
up
in
any
kind
of
om,
B's
type
situation,
and
many
of
those
are
settled
and
actually
don't
reach
a
point
where
the
board
members
a
decision
all.
E
K
A
I
I
would
like
to
respond
to
that.
Certainly,
we
did
take
close
look
at
the
language
in
which
we
have
used
and
selecting
the
name
of
the
client
relationship
leader
and
I
certainly
did
some
research
and
my
assessment
of
you
know
just
using
the
term
relationship.
It's
a
professional
ethical
relationship,
I.
E
I
Sure,
maybe
to
to
respond
the
client
just
and
just
to
clarify,
because
I
still
think
there's
some
understanding.
The
client
relationship
leader
is
not
going
to
be
independently
making
decisions
that
override
the
fire
lead.
The
file
leads
responsible
for
the
file.
There
are
times
when
managers
have
to
make
decisions.
The
issues
of
extenuating
circumstances,
there's
consultation
and
discussion
that
goes
on
this
client
relationship
leader
will
be
taking
direction
from
management
as
part
of
a
situation.
If
there's
an
issue
that
arises,
that
requires
a
management
to
intervene.
I
What
this
client
relationship
doing
just
as
much
as
addressing
issues
that
are
coming
forward
from
the
industry
they'll
also
be
addressing
and
ensuring
that
the
industry
are
following
our
policies
and
our
procedures.
So
this
client
relationship
leader,
it's
a
two-way
communication
in
terms
of
supports,
so
we
see
this
just
as
much
as
ensuring
everyone's
following
the
rules
in
terms
of
the
regulatory
environment
that
we
work
with
them.
Most.
C
You,
madam
chair
committee,
and
counsel,
retains
its
authority
to
approve
zoning
bylaw
amendments,
for
example
Official
Plan
amendments,
but
the
vast
majority
of
planning
applications
that
the
department
reviews
we
have
delegated
authority
to
approve
those
applications
given
to
us
by
Council,
I,
would
say
less
than
100
of
the
applications
we
receive
a
year
make
it
2-1
the
many
cookies
that
deal
with
planning
applications.
The
remainder
of
the
files
are
with
us.
C
E
A
What
I'm,
not
understanding
so
this,
what
you're
going
to
have
to
have
to
explain
anything
to
staff,
and
obviously
myself,
that
has
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
a
person
in
this
pilot
project
he
was
going
to.
He
was
going
to
connect
the
dots,
an
approved
application
to
complete
the
process.
How
does
that
have
anything
to
do
with
what
you're
talking
about
that's?
What
I
miss
her.
E
A
No
decision-making
for
this
person,
an
example
say
I
am
say,
I
become
a
great
successful
developer
in
this
city,
which
is
the
leap
of
faith
for
sure,
but
say
that
I've
got
people
that
are
you
know
something
in
council,
reapers
revitalising
at
those
corners
and
maybe
in
the
form
of
land
that
you-
and
I
often
talk
about
in
Statesville-
can
add
up
our
Haven
and
Orleans.
Okay
I
got
a
lot
on
my
plate.
A
Okay,
the
planner
has
already
brought
us
the
information
and
that
planner
continues
to
work
with
the
communities
with
the
with
the
applicant
with
all
of
us,
but
the
difference
is
that
this
person
then
takes
that
takes
that
approved,
approved
application
and
connects
it
to
the
various
components.
There's
no
decision-making.
It's
actually
somewhat
of
a
tour
guide.
Would
that
be
a
good
analogy?.
I
I'm
sure
there's
a
great
analogy
of
some
strengthening
communication,
strengthening
communications
with
the
applicants,
internal
staff.
We
deal
with
a
number
of
different
departments
within
the
city,
and
so
it
is
often
a
challenge
as
it
is
our
way
of
making
sure
that
we've
dotted
our
eyes
and
crossed
our
teams.
So
this
is
additional
supports
that
helps
to
strengthen
those
communications
internally,
as
well
as
it
is
with
their
applicants.
E
A
My
question
would
be
give
us
an
example
of
a
couple
of
the
developers
you're
talking
about,
and
you
can
ask
miss
Linton
if
they
would
even
be
ones
that
would
be
going
through
this
pilot
process.
Maybe
that's
part
of
it.
Maybe
that's
part.
The
difficulties
of
you
heard
councillor
hubei
councillor
very
talking
to
and
the
vast
difference
between
the
type
of
large
companies
that
are
moving
building
tracks
of
homes
from
from
start
to
finish
in
an
in
a
Greenfield
area.
Maybe
that's
the
difference
that
that
you're
not
getting
because
you
have.
B
E
I
E
E
A
I
K
Please
mr.
mark,
under
the
current
rules,
is
regular.
Business
is
not
registered
through
a
planning
application.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
my
understanding.
Okay,
so
only
those
conversations
that
the
developer
or
the
app
can
excuse
me
is
requesting
for
some
kind
of
change
of
process,
practice
or
regulation.
All
of
those
are
the
ones
that
are
registered.
F
K
A
You
does
anyone
else,
have
any
questions
prior
to
our
going
back
to
the
how
old
items?
Okay.
Well.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
great
dialogue
committee,
members
and
those
that
are
in
attendance,
appreciate
it
look
forward
to
our
meeting
on
or
not
a
meeting,
it's
a
workshop
on
on
Monday
and
the
location
may
change.
So
just
so,
you
have
a
heads
up
kind
of
like
box
into
a
very
small
room
right
now:
okay,
so
going
back
to
the
held
items.
The
first
item
is
item
number
five
and
I.
A
A
D
You
out,
you
just
have
a
couple
of
brief
questions
about
the
trees
that
I
saw
in
the
photos
of
the
site.
The
proposal
right
now
is
to
you:
I
have
to
assume
that
I
Barnett
remove
some
of
those
significant
trees
that
are
at
the
front.
Can
you
talk
to
me
about
any
efforts
that
were
made
to
save
those
any.
I
D
D
I
B
A
A
A
A
A
And
for
the
planning
committee
over
the
next
four
years,
the
priorities
that
we
choose-
regard
decision-making
in
our
city
and
our
decisions.
We
need
to
support
our
objectives
and
all
initiatives
need
to
contribute
to
achieving
these
objectives
and
for
the
complaining
committee
you're
going
to
hear
that
the
objectives
are
integrating
the
transit
network
into
the
community,
which
is
absolutely
important,
because
that
hasn't
been
the
way
supporting
our
culture
and
we're
talking
from
the
planning
committee
about
the
heritage,
culture
and
supporting
their
built
heritage.
A
Strengthening
public
engagement
and
we've
talked
a
lot
about
that
today
and
things
that
we
haven't
already
done
and
things
that
we
will
do
over
the
next
three
and
a
half
years
and
demonstrating
sound
financial
management
and
all
these
are
worthy
objects
and
strategic
initiatives.
That
will
be
this
committees.
Responsibility
will
make
a
real
difference
in
the
lives
of
our
residents
and
impact
the
city
in
a
positive
way.
The
Rideau
Street
initiative
will
create
a
beautiful
place
that
people
will
want
to
experience
we're.
A
Currently,
we
have
a
harsh
bus,
mall
and
the
neighborhood
program
that
councillor
Dean's
will
be
speaking
to
will
be
setting
up
a
pilot
to
revitalize
and
rejuvenate
low-income
neighborhoods
and
updating
our
heritage.
Reference
Desk
we'll
make
sure
the
history
of
the
city
doesn't
appear
and
that
it
is
a
risk
that
has
value
and
concern
is
farm
will
be
steering
that
and
the
Public
Engagement
Improvement
Program.
We
can.
A
We
constantly
are
working
on
that
and
that's
going
to
help
residents
have
a
better
understanding
of
planning
matters
and
how
to
get
their
opinions
heard
in
the
big
one.
I
think
to
$50,000
a
year
for
three
years
going
forward.
Is
the
infrastructure
standards
review
we
have
to
review
for
them,
but
to
their
first
would
be
the
roads
and
the
stormwater.
A
A
Until
we
really
get
into
it-
and
we
approve
these
initiatives,
no
one
will
see
what
those
are,
but
in
this
case
it's
a
better
reader
stream,
a
pilot
that
a
revitalize
in
the
Jeevan
age
community
and
set
an
example
to
do
so
all
across
the
city.
It's
about
preserving
a
history,
empowering
their
residents
and
ensuring
wise
use
of
taxpayers,
money
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
before
they
get
started
and
I
think
we
should,
we
have
a
slide
up
there.
A
A
E
E
Is
staff
prepared
to
recognize
that
that
may
mean
that
may
not
always
mean
spending
more
money
like
I
know
the
day
before
amalgamation,
the
costs
of
a
traffic
light
in
Nepean
was
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
a
day
after
amalgamation.
There
was
one
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
and
nobody
in
Nepean
noticed
the
upgrade
in
the
lights.
So
that
leads
me
to
leave.
There
could
be
some
flexibility
in
our
standards
on
those
things.
G
I'm
sure,
yes,
exactly
that's
that's
part
of
what
we're
looking
at
when
the
council
sponsors
group
on
the
development
charges
were
reviewing
the
development
charges
and
how
much
project
costs
it
sort
of
came
to
the
fore.
We
need
to
take
a
hard
look
at
what
our
standards
are,
what
things
cost
and
that's
going
to
be
part
and
parcel
of
this.
We.
G
D
You
well
my
question
relates
to
the
strategic
initiative
number
54,
which
is
the
improved
public
planning
or
improve
public
engagement
in
planning
matters.
Can
you
take
me
through
how
that
proposed
600km
spending
over
the
course
of
four
years
would
actually
be
spent.
Yet
what
is
it
that
we
need
to
spend
money
on
to
improve
our
and
improve
our
consultation.
G
G
D
The
tools,
the
consultation
start
to
cost
less
and
less
and
I
remember
the
consultation
and
consultations
and
I
participated
in
you
know
two
of
those
workshops
on
the
glutton
for
punishment.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
cultural
change
and
language
change
that
don't
necessarily
cost
a
lot
of
money,
as
council
did
not
approve
the
spending
of
those
six
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Does
that
mean
that
our
public
engagement.
I
You,
okay,
really
some
of
the
money
will
be
look
for
for
online
tools
and,
yes,
the
online
tools
they
have
come
down
in
in
price
for
crowdsourcing
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
also
what
some
of
the
funds
will
be
used
for
is,
as
Peggy
stated,
when
we
go
out
to
the
community
and
to
the
residents
for
different
auction
items
and
initiatives.
Also,
it
will
be
for
staff
for
having
facilitators
who
are
out
in
the
communities
that
can
it's
their
expertise
to
facilitate
some,
what
they
can
be
difficult
meetings
and
to
allow
the
subject
matter.
D
A
H
The
idea
of
having
online
budget
app,
which
is
interactive,
number
of
other
cities,
have
done
it.
Hamilton,
Calgary,
to
name
two
I'm
just
looking
at
this
item,
because
obviously
the
challenge
in
whatever
you
put
forward
is
finding
funds.
Is
this
$150,000
a
year,
the
type
that
could
potentially
be
a
source
of
funds
for
this
kind
of
online
app
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
decision
to
go
down
that
road.
I
H
I
Online
tools
in
relation
to
when
we're
looking
at
the
different
online
tools
that
could
be
crowdsourcing,
so
am
I
doing
consultation
engagement
with
the
public.
It's
there's
different
methods
that
have
been
used.
In
other
municipalities,
we
like
to
look
at
those
methods
not
necessary,
so
we
have
to
further
investigate
that.
Okay,.
H
This
is
not
the
place
to
have
the
conversation,
but
this
will
be
a
question
that
all
those
that
for
Council,
because
it
does
strike
me
as
a
possible
part
of
money
that
we
could
use
to
fund
other
broad
public
consultation
needs
if
we
can't
find
funds
elsewhere
in
the
budget.
So
I'll
just
put
that
out
as
notice
that
this
might
be
something
I'll
come
back
to
actual
council
I
just
want
to
turn
to
item
6c.
The
infrastructure
standards
review.
Is
this
something
that
comes
up
and
I?
Don't
know
if
I'm
looking
at
mr.
G
H
That
sounds
great,
and
this
is
you
know,
comment
that
I
would
made
on
that.
I
don't
want
to
single
out
infrastructure
Steiners,
because
it's
an
important
issue,
but
it
strikes
me
that
a
lot
of
the
items
on
strategic
initiatives
list
don't
really
strike
me
as
term
of
council
priorities
that
came
from
council.
H
They
strike
me
as
important
issues
that
staff
have
identified
that
need
to
be
funded
and
that's
great,
but
the
question
will
arise
is
why
weren't
those
items
identified
in
the
budget
if
they
were
important,
as
opposed
to
crowding
out
and
amount
of
money
that
represents
about
one
percent
of
the
budget,
which
is
what
the
German
council
priorities?
It's
a
tiny
lot
of
money
compared
to
the
many
billions
we
spend
each
year
and
so
again,
I'm
not
expecting
an
answer,
but
just
to
give
to
give
a
notice
that
I
mean
one
of
the
issues.
H
I
think
the
council
has
to
look
hard
at
over.
The
course
of
the
coming
weeks
is:
are
these
priorities
of
the
elected
officials
around
the
council
table
or
are
these
items
that
we
didn't
sufficiently
fund
and
in
our
budget,
and
we've
got
to
look
for
budget
answers
as
opposed
to
strategic
initiatives?
Answers
for
a
lot
of
these
so
again,
I
don't
want
to
pick
on
that
item
and
I'm
not
expecting
an
answer,
but
I
think
it's
important
because
we
may
have
to
come
back
to
some
of
these
items
around
full
council.
Thank
you
and.
A
Thank
you
for
that
and
I
just
want,
because
you
weren't
here
in
the
last
term
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
with
graduate
question
about
crowdsourcing
in
that
sort
of
tool.
The
largest
public
engagement
we've
ever
had
at
the
city,
since
amalgamation
was
building
a
livable
Ottawa
and
we
use
today's
tours,
which
was
the
the
outsourcing
through
the
social
media,
etc,
and
we've
never
had
such
a
large
number
of
people.
And,
interestingly
enough
was
it
wasn't
just
the
people
who
are
always
engaged
in
what's
happening
here.
A
J
You,
madam
chair
and
since
councillor
Nussbaum,
put
the
question
out
there.
Maybe
I
can
provide
some
information
on
the
answer
on
the
Standish
review,
because
I
was
very
involved
with
the
chore
and
the
former
chair
on
development
charge.
Bylaw
review
with
staff.
Mr.
mojo
had
part
of
the
the
the
changes
that
were
made
in
the
last
tournament
council
for
everybody's
benefit
is
when
we
did
the
transportation
master
plan.
We
added
an
affordability
lens
to
where
we
said.
J
We
would
only
build
what
we
could
afford
to
build
and
we
promised
to
build
what
was
on
that
list.
We
would
find
the
money
to
do
it.
The
next
step
in
that
process
in
the
development
charge,
bylaw
review,
was
to
look
at
the
affordability
of
the
projects
even
further
and
one
of
the
things
we
found
as
a
city
we
often
charge
or
including
projects,
contingency
funds
in
the
range
of
50
percent
and
higher,
where
pre
well,
every
other
municipality
uses
15
20
percent
contingencies.
J
So
we
wanted
to
look,
and
part
of
this
review
would
be
to
look
at
what
makes
up
these
contingencies.
Why
are
we
needing
such
a
high
contingency
fund?
Why
can't
we
identify
the
cost
in
the
projects
better
than
what
we
are
doing
today?
How
can
we
get
there?
So
it
is
a
very
important
piece
of
the
review.
J
J
Asking
questions
to
staff
opposition
I
just
wanted
to
answer
it.
Councillor
new
news
farms
planned
its
review.
Why
it's
there
and
why
it's
important
on
the
housing
one
my
understanding
is
here:
Planning
Committee
is
only
when
we
are
doing
the
new
bills.
We,
the
Federal
Housing
to
the
city,
to
build
new
existing
or
anything
like
that.
J
So
if
we
want
to
create
new
and
affordable
housing
options,
if
we
want
to,
as
I've
said
in
the
past,
I
think
the
city
should
be
getting
out
of
the
landlord
business
for
the
only
landlord
that
you
read
about
in
the
papers
that
are
unable
to
maintain
our
properties
to
the
standard
that
every
other
landlord
in
the
city
lives
up
to
based
on
our
criteria.
The
if
we
want
to
get
into
options
where
we
partner
with
other
landlords,
to
build
more
affordable
housing
and
better
affordable
housing.
G
Yes,
they
could
be
something
that
certainly
wouldn't
be.
We
would
do
within
PGM
all
the
planning
work
in
terms
of
being
able
to
lay
out
the
program
and
be
involved
if,
when
the
community
is
selected,
doing
the
work
with
all
the
stakeholders,
all
the
land
owners
to
be
able
to
arrive
at
a
strategy
of
how
it's
going
to
be
redeveloped
and
then
leave
it.
Leave
it
to
existing
organizations
existing
land
owners,
the
one
to
come
in
and
work
to
do
the
program
itself.
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Mr.
chair.
Excuse
me,
with
respect
to
the
first
priority
with
respect
to
the
Rideau
Street
streetscaping
I
just
had
a
question.
The
4.5
million,
which
is
identified
for
the
capital,
is
all
identified
in
2015
and
I,
given
that
this
is
a
multi-year
project,
why
are
there
no
funds
allocated
in
future
years.
F
Mr.
chair,
as
I
understand
it,
this
is
a
capital
amount,
that's
allocated
and
then
for
capital
like
it
can
extend
further
we're
still
very
much
involved
in
determining
exactly
the
scheduling
for
the
works.
We're
moving
forward
and
finalizing
the
functional
design
initiating
a
pro
process
for
the
RFQ.
A
RFP
clearly
does
vest
high
directly
to
the
construction
activity
with
respect
to
RTG
in
the
Confederation
line.
M
Thank
you
and
can
I
just
be
informed
whether
when
we
embark
on
these
types
of
capital
projects
that
benefit
multiple
players,
including
in
this
case
the
the
Rideau
Center,
which
is
owned
by
Cadillac,
fare
the
reto
Street
BIA.
Do
we
have
other
entities
that
contribute
to
the
capital
costs
of
these
types
of
projects
and,
if
so,
have
these
players
contributed
any
funds
towards
the
capital
landscaping
of
Rado
street.
F
We
are
very
much
working
on
identifying
who
some
of
those
partner
contributions
would
be
coming
from.
Cadillac
Fairview
very
clearly
has
indicated
a
willingness
to
contribute
could
be
a
good
portion
of
the
necklace
street
light
revitalization
and
we're
seeing
whether
or
not
there
might
be
an
ability
for
them
to
actually
contribute
a
100%
of
the
mikveh
Street.
Revitalization.
Also,
some
of
the
reinstatement
work
that
will
be
done
by
RTG
we're
looking
to
pull
that
and
have
that
contribution
back
into
the
capital
project.
F
There's
certain
other
enhancements
that
are
being
undertaken
at
the
request
of
others
and
those
enhancements
would
be
paid
for
by
those
other
parties,
in
particular,
Cadillac
failure,
also
the
BIA
on
their
expose
that
they're
looking
to
have
installed
along
with
us
truly.
My
understanding
is
that
the
BIA
will
be
contributing
to
that.
M
M
I've
identified
before
that,
this
street
has
been
redeveloped
and
redesigned
multiple
times
in
my
lifetime,
let
alone
the
history
at
Rio
Street,
and
there
are
a
number
of
issues
that
affect
Lido
Street,
that
capital
upgrading
won't
solve.
So
I
supported
this
ultimately,
because
I
think
it's
needed
I'm,
certainly
not
going
to
push
back
on
it,
but
I
would
certainly
like
to
see
other
main
players
contribute
to
the
total
cost,
because
they
are
me
players
and
beneficiaries
of
what's
going
to
happen
there.
So
those
are
my
comments
on
Rio
Street,
with
respect
to.
A
M
Just
for
clarification,
madam
chair,
with
respect
to
the
the
si
for
improve
public
engagement
and
planning
matters,
did
I
hear
or
did
I
not
hear
correctly.
That
staff
would
come
back
to
us
before
this
goes
to
council
to
further
explain
how
the
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
per
year
will
be
spent.
Did
I
hear
that
or
not
madam.
M
C
M
But
we're
approving
a
plan
that
covers
four
years.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
why
do
you
need
150
and
2018?
Why
do
you
need
150
and
2017?
Why
do
you
need
150
and
2016
what's
different
about
2018,
then
that
you
won't
be
doing
in
2015
I,
don't
need
all
those
details
now
and
I'm
officially
requesting
it
so
that
before
we
have
this
matter
again
before
us
on
July,
8th
I
can
have
those
details.
C
There
may
be
some
need
for
some
higher
level
expertise
at
facilitation,
and
so
this
repeats
each
year,
because
if
we
go
down
a
path
after
the
roundtable
that
we
may
want
to
have
such
facilitation
expertise,
we
just
don't
want
it
for
the
one
year.
We
would
like
it
for
the
whole
term
of
council.
So
that's
why
that
dollar
amount
repeats
on
a
per
year
basis.
M
I'll
just
note,
as
my
final
comment,
that
this
126
page
document
that
I've
been
reading
the
past
few
weeks.
There
are
many
essays
where
were
asked
to
spend
hundreds
of
thousand
dollars,
if
not
millions
of
dollars,
and
there
are
two
sentences
that
explain
how
those
monies
are
going
to
be
spent.
So
that's
a
drawback
or
an
issue:
I
have
with
the
size
si
process
where
very
limited
details
as
to
how
the
project
will
fold
or
what
the
project
actually
contains.
M
F
I
think
mr.
Shea
just
just
a
very
quick
comment
and
then
a
question
regarding
the
$600,000
for
improve
public
engagement
in
planning
matters.
Bring
it
on
I
think
that's
that's
a
fabulous
initiative,
in
fact
a
question
whether
or
putting
enough
money
into
that
report
of
the
last
discussion.
We
had
around
the
new
the
new
program
that
our
program
has
being
in
debt.
F
Cuz
I'm
excited
if
we
have
two
of
them,
if
we
have
one
next
week,
that's
telling
about
more
access
to
planning
planning
staff,
and
then
we've
got
a
fun
to
enhance
larger
public
engagement.
I'm
very
excited
about
that.
So
I'm
hoping
the
answer
is
yes,
it's
two
different
things,
but
all
mr.
Mazzy
looks
like
he's
about
to
answer
that
question.
Miss
Missy.
C
C
So,
while
the
vast
majority
of
the
department's
work
plan
is
day-to-day
operations
like
the
issuing
of
building
permits
in
the
review
of
planning
applications,
what
we're
in
a
focus
on
next
Monday
is
the
hundred
or
so
proposals
for
studies,
CDP's
heritage
conservation
districts
and
put
some
priority
ranking
to
them
and
try
to
map
out
what
we
tackle
over
the
next
four
years.
In
terms
of
that
bucket
of
the
work
plan
that
may
or
may
not
be
informed
by
what
this
committee
and
other
committees
consider
in
terms
of
what's
important
from
a
strategic
initiative.
F
Okay,
because
I
thought
I
heard
the
chair
say
that
there
were
going
to
be
things
I'm
unrolling,
so
to
speak
next
week.
That
would
give
the
the
public
some
comfort
about
some
balance
versus
the
project
we're
talking
about
today.
But
you
see
me
saying
something
different.
So
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
clarity
here,
because
what
you
learned
what
you
spoke
about
earlier
today
was
clearly
about
process
the
new
leadership
role,
but
now
you're,
saying
Monday:
you're
not
going
to
talk
about
process
in
terms
of
communities
you're
going
to
talk
about
specific
projects.
F
F
F
Process
was
about
engagement
and,
and
next
we
didn't
talk
about
specific
projects
such
as
CDP's,
that
sort
of
thing-
but
I
thought
you
had
said
madam
chair-
that
part
of
what
you're
going
to
talk
about
next
week
would
bring
some
balance
from
the
community
side
to
the
project.
That's
B.
That
was,
we
talked
about
sort
of
first
thing
this
morning,
so
the
client
relationship
yoga
so
is
Monday
about
process
or
somebody's
about
that
process.
It's
not
Wendy's.
A
About
the
work
plan
and
it's
a
workshop
and
it's
very
much
for
our
counselors
to
discuss
what
staff
are
recommending
that
we
based
on
a
lot
of
feedback
from
a
lot
of
us
in
the
first
six
months
and
what
the
direction
that
they
need
to
complete
or
go
forward
in
and
a
lot
of
it
will
be
about
public
consultation.
As
you
can
see
behind
me.
But
on
Monday.
It
is
about
the
the
work.
A
As
you
know,
we
as
council,
we
support
policy,
we
set
a
budget
and
it's
up
to
staff
to
implement
that
within
the
budget
under
the
policies
approved,
and
it's
simple
doesn't
matter
what
department
is
that's
just
the
way
it
is
we're
not
in
charge
of
operation
or
anything.
What
we're
looking
at
Monday
is
having
listened
and
in
the
case
of
public
consultation.
A
I'll,
give
you
one
thing:
okay,
I'll,
give
you
one
that
I
didn't
want
to
give
you
because
I
think
it's
really
Natan,
but
something
we
really
listen
to,
but
I'll
give
you
an
example
and
it's
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
cost
more
money,
as
you
heard,
with
the
client
relationship
later,
but
it's
about
being
effective
and
efficient.
So
one
of
the
ideas
is
that
came
up
was
sorry
LeeAnn
and
Michael.
Scoop
you
here,
just
just
blame
it
on
me.
Committee
of
adjustment,
isn't
is
a
Herculean
beast?
A
Okay,
they
didn't
inner
core.
You
know,
Greenbelt
communities
are
far
more
impacted
by
it
than
anybody
in
the
suburban
and
the
rural
area
and
several
times
over
the
last
several
months
we
have
heard
just
in
passing.
It's
not
even
like.
We
said:
hey
what
do
you
think
about,
or
how
would
you
really
like
us
to
do?
It
was
like
you
know:
it
would
really
help,
because
we've
had
thousands
of
people
that
have
gone
to
our
planning
primers.
It
would
really
help
if
we
had
a
planning
primer
in
committee
of
adjustment.
A
Guess
what
it's
on
the
list
for
Monday,
sorry
to
scoop
everybody,
but
the
fact
is:
that's
just
one
of
the
examples
of
having
listened
to
them.
That
actually
makes
it.
Who
does
that
benefit
that
benefits
the
community
associations
right
in
a
very
significant
fashion,
and
it's
going
to
be
very
fulsome.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
that
that
you'll
see
as
part
of
the
work
plan
it's
having
listened
to
them
and
determining
yeah
that
has
real
value
to
them.
That's
something
really
important!
A
So
that's
where
we
are
in
the
fall
again,
not
starting
in
the
summer
time,
but
we're
hoping
that
that's
something
that
you
really
really
appreciate
that
that
we've
heard
that's
important
to
the
public.
Okay.
Thank
for
that.
Okay,
that's!
The
sort
of
thing
we'll
be
discussing.
I
mean
we're.
Obviously
we're
not
just
focused
on
that.
It's
a
a
large
work
plan
right,
but
we'll
have
all
of
our
little
dots.
They
want
us
to
put
on
their
favorites
around
that
stuff.
I'm
told.
J
A
Least,
favorite
part
Thanks,
councilor
Eggman,
good
question.
Okay,
so
I
have
two
speakers,
and
one
of
them
is
hang
on.
So
I
put
my
glasses
on
what
they
do
with
that
valency
Reynolds
and
GE
Williams
come
on
forward
and,
as
you
are
I
just
want
to,
let
you
know
that
I'm
not
sure
why
you're
here
today,
because
I
think
you've
been
steered
wrong.
I,
don't
think
this
is
the
place
that
you
really
want
to
come
and
talk
to
come
on
up
bring
the
baby.
A
They
ought
to
replace
them
and
you
say:
make
cancer
a
Mikkel,
sir
miss
lemon
also
well.
Thank
you,
I.
Don't
know
why
you're
here,
except
to
tell
you're
from
Rockland
Hamlet
preschool
I
was
talking
to
councillor
Dean's
and
saying
Chancellor
James
you
may
want
to
pay
attention.
Is
this
may
be
something
you
want
to
bring
over
to
your
community
community
and
Protective
Services,
but
apparently
then
surprise,
okay,.
I
I
I
So
good
morning,
and
thank
you
for
giving
us
a
few
minutes
to
talk
to
you
so
I
don't
see.
This
is
Julie
lily
and
we're
here
on
behalf
of
blackburn
hamlet,
preschool.
We
understand
that
you're,
considering
today
planning
for
your
strategic
initiatives
that
have
already
been
identified,
but
we
would
like
to
appeal
the
council
to
committee
to
consider
one
more
related
to
health
in
caring
communities.
I
Preschool
is
a
non-profit
cooperative
established
in
1971
and
run
by
a
parent
volunteer
board
of
directors.
Presently,
the
preschool
runs
for
half-day
programs
for
preschoolers
and
toddlers.
It
employs
one
full
time
and
through
part-time
teachers
and
serves
approximately
50
families.
Each
year
from
our
community
blackburn
handle
it
areas
in
our
lanes
and
Bradley
estates.
I
The
preschool
is
kind
of
located
in
a
small
old
building
leased
from
the
city
and
on
January
23rd
of
this
year,
the
city
notified
the
preschool
that
the
lease
would
be
terminated
in
June,
citing
the
cost
of
maintenance
and
repairs
for
maintaining
since
receiving
the
notice.
The
Board
of
Directors
and
a
team
of
volunteers
has
worked
intensively
to
find
a
new
location.
However,
given
the
short
time,
limited
resources
and
the
licensing
rules
and
deadlines,
these
efforts
have
been
unsuccessful.
I
We've
been
working
with
our
councilor
Jody
Minich
to
find
a
solution,
so
the
preschool
won't
be
forced
to
close
its
doors
on
June
30th.
We
are
hoping
for
an
extension
that
our
current
location
to
give
us
time
to
establish
in
your
location-
and
this
is
where
we
get
to
the
strategic
initiatives.
The
community
of
Blackman
Hamlet
has
really
rallied
around
the
preschool,
which
is
at
the
heart
of
this
community
and
has
been
for
generations
as
a
cooperative
preschool
parents
are
actively
involved
in
their
children's
education
and
also
in
running
the
preschool
day
to
day.
I
In
this
way,
the
preschool
has
been
a
focal
point
for
families
where
connections
are
made
with
each
other
and
where
a
spirit
of
volunteerism
and
community
service
is
built
in
our
tight-knit
community.
We
recognize
and
appreciate
the
support
over
the
years
and
would
really
like
to
continue
working
cooperatively
on
a
long-term
solution
that
will
keep
the
preschool
as
an
integral
part
of
our
community
for
generations
to
come.
I
If
a
group
of
dedicated
parents
and
teachers
have
been
able
to
accomplish
this
much
and
I
didn't
we
can,
in
future
generations
for
the
children,
the
Venice
ward,
with
the
support
of
the
city
and
their
counselor
Jody
Minich,
we
are
asking
for
you
to
make
early
childhood
education
the
strategic
planning
priority
for
the
community
of
black
bean
omelet
and
for
the
East
End
of
Ottawa.
Thank
you.
N
City
I,
don't
think
it's
a
strategic
initiative
in
front
of
planning,
committee
and
I
think
your
issue
is
a
specific
issue
about
your
lease
arrangement
and
the
pressure
that
your
childcare
facility
is
facing
so
I
think
perhaps
best.
If
we
take
this
offline
I,
don't
think
it's
a
planning,
strategic
initiative
and
I'd
be
happy
to
work
with
you
and
put
you
in
touch,
perhaps
with
Erin
Barry,
who
is
the
director
of
community
and
social
services
or
receives
child
care
and
see
if
there's
anything
that
we
can
do
to
assist.
Thank.
A
N
N
Vitalization
and
lead
development
program
aims
to
improve
the
health.
I
would
see
and
livability
of
low-income
neighborhoods
and
where's.
The
program
we'll
identify
one
neighborhood
to
pilot
this
program
based
on
specific
criteria,
which
should
include
opportunities
for
public
partner,
private
partnerships,
redevelopment
of
vacant
plans
and
the
potential
to
increase
land
values
through
zoning
and
whereas
the
admin
Hetherington
community
as
a
neighborhood
with
considerable
social
pressures,
including
a
significantly
higher
number
of
social
housing
units
lower
than
average
incomes.
A
population
density
that
is
almost
double
the
city
average.
N
A
higher
density
average
for
single-parent
homes,
a
higher
rate
of
recent
immigrants
and
a
higher
overall
percentage
of
immigrants
living
in
the
community.
And
whereas
the
city
company
owns
a
vacant,
8
acre
parcel
of
land
in
the
community,
known
as
1777
de
Hetherington
Road,
which
would
be
an
ideal
initial
site
for
redevelopment
to
support
the
program
goals
and
whereas
hydro
major
landholder
engineering
area
currently
has
an
interest
to
divest
a
portion
of
their
land
and
is
willing
to
consider
partnering.
In
this
project
of
Albion.
N
Hetherington
is
the
selected
site
and
whereas
council
recent
will
adopt
an
amendment
to
the
Official
Plan,
which
includes
the
rear
designation
of
rocky
road
from
hand
to
Bank
Street
as
no
turret
and
Main
Street,
which
would
allow
for
increased
density
and
land
values
to
attract
private
partners.
And
whereas
we
have
a
one-time
opportunity
to
partner
with
hydro
Ottawa
now,
prior
to
their
land,
being
divested.
N
Recognized
as
a
site
to
launch
this
program
based
on
the
unique
opportunities
available
in
the
neighbourhood,
as
listed
above
for
the
result
that
the
language
of
strategic
initiative,
39,
neighborhood,
revitalization
and
redevelopment
program
be
amended
to
include
Albion
Hetherington
as
a
site
for
this
project.
Madam
chair.
N
Si
39
through
the
strategic
initiative
process
and
I,
did
that
so
that
there's
no
confusion.
Let
me
be
clear:
this
is
not
about
och
och
has
their
own
separate
process
that
is
looking
at
all
och
properties.
This
is
that's
a
very
different
initiative.
Somewhat
consumer
was
talking
about
I
tend
to
agree
with
councillor,
but
that's
a
totally
different
thing.
N
We're
talking
this
one
that
I
submitted
is
talking
about
taking
a
neighborhood
a
low-income
challenged,
neighborhood,
whether
the
resources
that
the
city
is
expending
are
numerous
and
trying
to
find
a
different
way
to
help
that
community
and
it's
not
just
about
opium
Hetherington
I,
think
it
can
be
about
many
communities
that
could
use
a
helping
hand,
but
we
have
to
start
somewhere.
We
have
to
find
a
way
that
will
chart
a
path
for
other
communities.
Mr.
N
Tourists
were
told
to
avoid
and
a
community
that
was
a
drain
on
city
resources
today
is
Lake,
is
a
thriving,
healthy
and
vibrant
neighborhood
that
attracts
residents
across
the
spectrum.
It
is
a
true
success
story
in
a
renowned
renowned
landmark
in
the
housing
sector.
Other
communities
across
North
America
have
done
this,
but
Ottawa
has
not
and
I
think
it's
time
for
Ottawa
to
start
leading
in
this
field
is
the
right
place
to
start,
because.
N
That
we
can
use
to
leverage
and
we've
been
looking
at
some
unique
revenue
tools.
The
city
has
never
used
before
I've
been
working
with
a
renowned
planner
letter,
Vancouver's
names,
Leo
Beasley,
who
suggested
some
revenue
tools
that
municipalities
and
North
America
have
used
that
we
haven't
I'd
like
to
work
on
this
initiative,
because
I
think
it's
important
I
think
it's
very
important.
N
Now
I
have
to
tell
you
that
some
of
my
colleagues
have
suggested
to
me
that
we
need
a
separate
process
to
select
the
neighborhood
and
I'm
struggling
with
this
idea,
because
I
thought,
as
clumsy
as
this
has
been.
In
my
view,
the
air
size
is
that
process
that
we
have
through
this
been
asked
to
submit
I
submitted
DSi
for
this
one
I,
don't
believe
anyone
else
submitted
an
SI
for
a
revitalization
of
a
community.
I
did
and
I
would
like
to
oblique
this
initiative.
N
So
I
think
this
is
the
process
and
I'm
not
sure
that
we
need
another
process
to
determine
which
community
would
be
selected.
Isn't
that
what
the
earth
is,
and
perhaps
if
we
had
had
a
better
si
process,
if
we
had
met
together
as
a
council,
would
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
together
and
work
through
these
things,
we
wouldn't
have
this
clumsy
process
where
there's
some
confusion
about
how
we
get
to
our
goal.
N
But
for
me
the
goal
really
is
to
look
at
revitalization,
revitalization
of
some
of
our
neediest
communities
that
we
try
and
find
a
better
way
to
to
help
those
communities
become
healthy
and
vibrant
communities
where
all
of
us
would
like
to
live
and
where
children
families
would
like
to
see
their
children
come
back
to
those
communities
someday
not
encourage
them
to
leave.
So
I
strongly
urge
my
colleagues
to
support
the
motion
that
will
be
put
forward
by
councilor
Cloutier
this
morning.
N
C
N
Participate
in
this
process,
how
do
I
hydro
owns
a
nine
acre
parcel
of
land
in
that
neighborhood
I
should
probably
know
it
is
currently
Ottawa
hydros
head
office.
They
are
divesting
of
that
property,
probably
not
in
total
problem
part,
but
in
significant
parts
they
have
purchased
a
new
property
and
they're
going
to
be
moving
to
that
new
location.
So
it
is
their
intention
to
divest
of
at
least
a
portion
public
four
and
a
half
five
acres,
something
like
that
of
this
site
in
in
in
Hetherington
and
in
conversation
with
both
Conrad.
N
He
has
said
that
he
would
like
to
have
hydro
participate
in
that
process,
but
they
want
to
do
it
now.
They
don't
want
to
wait
because
they
want
to
move
on.
They
obviously
like
to
to
find
purchaser
for
their
property,
and
they
recognize
that
working
with
the
city
would
be
ideal
for
them.
But
the
time
is
now.
A
B
E
I'm
just
supported
in
the
what
I
hope
people
turn
some
of
the
attention
to
is
the
the
history
and
developing
turmeric
council
priorities.
It
used
to
always
be
the
case
that
counsel
would
meet
together
as
a
group
over
a
two
or
three-day
period,
either
it
lands
down
or
Pineview
or
some
location
like
that
and
Nepean.
We
we
have
straw
from
your
house,
but
it's
another
story.
Yeah
I
know
I
know
that's
what
we
did.
E
E
It
realize
that
cost
too
much
and
then
pair
that
list
down,
and
we
would
end
up
with
with
a
list
of
priorities
for
council,
and
we
did
that
because
our
responsibility
is
to
represent
the
public,
is
to
exercise
discretion
and
and
just
and
ability
to
assign
priorities
without
necessarily
feathering
that
discretion
to
a
system
and
third,
is
to
conduct
oversight.
So
in
order
to
do
those
things,
council
would
meet
and
come
up
with
the
rest.
E
We
still
have
that
primary
responsibility
and
that
primary
responsibility
is
to
exercise
discretion
where
there
may
not
be
a
precise
system
in
place
in
any
one
case,
so
the
one
time
we're
making
a
change.
If
we
do
so
with
this
motion,
this
is
the
one
time
when
they
can't
change
and
I
think
it's.
It's
not
right
to
say
that
this
whole
thing
should
go
down
without
a
single
major
change
by
council.
E
So
I
think
it's
important
that
in
this
process
we
do
participate
and
we
do
make
a
change,
especially
when
it's
as
as
important
and
valuable
proposal
as
this
one
you
know,
are
there
other
places
that
you
can
work?
Yes,
there
are,
and
probably
my
ward,
but
you
do
have
to
pick
one
to
start.
You
have
to
be
big
boys
and
girls
and
pick
one
to
start
and
see
if
it
works,
see
how
it
can
be
improved
in
the
future
and
I
know
our
Lord
will
benefit
by
having
things
improve
in
Hetherington.
E
There
is
an
interconnection
through
the
city
and
I
know
that
will
happen
so
I
think
it's
a
great
thing
and
I
think
that
you
know
if
we're
going
to
subject
this
particular
change,
the
single
change
we're
making
to
an
additional
process.
Just
because
we
made
the
change
then
I
wonder
why
we
don't
subject
every
single
recommended
si
to
that
same
process.
Take
each
one
of
them
and
say:
is
there
some
other
way
we
could
have
spent
the
money
or
some
other
place
if
we're
not
prepared
to
do
that?
E
If
we're
prepared
to
just
accept
99%
of
BS
is
that
come
recommended
to
us
and
we
make
only
one
change,
then
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
add
an
additional
process
to
that
one
change,
so
I
will
support
the
recommendation
of
councillor
Luce
and
councillor
Dean
city,
councilor,
cliche
and
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
something
that
benefits
the
entire
city.
J
You
Matt
and
Jeff
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
this
is
the
beauty.
What
I
love
so
much
about
municipal
politics
is,
as
councillor
Dean
says
this
time
we
both
agree
and
I
like
there's
good
things
to
what
you're
saying.
I
I
really
do
see
that
as
a
community
that
needs
to
be
revitalized
where
we
differ
is
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
limiting
ourselves
to
the
one
community
I've
been
saying
for
years
that
we
need
to
get
out
of
the
landlord
business,
and
this
is
where
I
see
it.
J
Ottawa
housing
having
a
role
and
I,
would
hope
that
our
colleagues
and
yourself
will
work
with
councillor
flurry
because
I've
met
with
him
he's
got
great
ideas.
A
I'm
excited
about
his
leadership
on
Ottawa,
housing
and
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
take
$250,000
to
pay
for
a
consultant
and
maybe
get
nothing
out
of
it.
That's
what
worries
me
about
that
plan.
J
We've
got
to
make
concrete
steps
in
revitalizing
Heatherton
we've
got
to
revitalize
our
housing
properties
in
councillor
McKenna's
ward,
around
the
table
I'm
looking
at
councillor,
leaper
I'm
sure
you
could
probably
benefit
from
a
process
where
we
try
to
move
forward
on
the
housing
file
as
a
whole.
Certainly
they'll
have
to
be
pilot
projects.
Hetherington
could
be
one
of
them.
J
You
know
Rochester,
sorry,
Thank,
You,
councilman,
Kenny,
Rochester,
I
fully
would
support
being
one
of
the
pilots
as
well.
I
just
urge
my
colleagues
to
give
council
Fleury
a
chance
at
to
tell
you
what
he's
trying
to
get
done
under
that
file
and
see
if
we
can't
support
having
them
all
go
forward
as
pilots.
Okay,
thank
you.
L
L
L
They
can
exist
together,
I
see
what
counts
is
asking
for
as
a
city
building
exercise.
Would
this
not
have
implications
for
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
och
good
I,
don't
see
that
it
needs
to
be
one
or
the
other
and
I
wonder
if
you
know
I
I
think
that
what
we're
doing
with
och
and
I
said
on
the
board
with
och
and-
and
you
know,
this
pilot
not
have
citywide
implications,
we're
not
talking
about
going
out
and
redeveloping
we're
talking
about
a
process
for
looking
at
a
community.
L
That
looks
very
much
like
all
of
our
other
communities
and
seeing
what
works
and
then
I
questioned
you
to
staff
or
to
to
anyone
here
that
that
cares
to
to
respond
is
I,
see
I,
don't
see
that
one
has
to
replace
the
other
I
think
that
they
can
both
exist
and
even
though
I'm
not
on
the
on
the
planning
committee
I,
would
you
know,
support
the
the
strategic
initiative
in
councilor
games.
This
war
can.
A
A
H
Thank
You
chair,
actually
I,
think
counselor
Dean's,
as
presentation
has
raised
for
me
just
a
few
process
questions
about
the
strategic
initiatives.
So
if
this
was
a
strategic
initiative
put
forward
by
councillor
Dean's
that
was
specific
to
Hetherington,
what
other
counts
were
put
forward,
an
alternate
that
did
not
include
Hetherington,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
we
ended
up
with
language
that
didn't
reflect
councillor
Dean's.
His
initial
requests
to
have
a
discussion
as
council
about
$250,000
for
Hetherington
mr.
box.
C
H
So
what
we
had
is
a
situation
where
councillor
Dean's
had
a
strategic
initiative,
but
she's
just
articulated.
We
don't
see
it
reflected
in
the
draft
report
and
then
staff
used
the
occasion
of
this
request
to
essentially
propose
a
different
strategic
initiative.
So
I
guess
from
a
process
point
of
view,
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
have
an
opportunity
amongst
ourselves
as
council
to
debate
and
discuss
to
teach
initiatives
which
each
of
us
think
are
important.
So
this
was
a
councillor
led
proposal.
I
think
it
ought
to
be
one
that
we
have
a
discussion
on.
H
B
C
K
Is
next
I
think
you
how
much
mind
share?
There's,
no
doubt
that
Hetherington
needs
revitalization.
That
I
think
is
abundantly
clear
to
all
of
us.
There
are
a
number
of
neighborhoods
in
Ottawa.
They
need.
Revitalization
can
benefit
from
such
an
initiative
as
this
my
fear,
in
identifying
one
too
early
in
the
process
without
there
being
an
economic
analysis
without
there
being
a
social
impact
analysis
without
there
being
an
analysis
of
infrastructure
capacity
without
there
being
an
analysis
of
traffic
patterns
and
transit
and
such
and
another
is
transit,
I'm
just
saying.
K
I
think
there
should
be
AI
think
there
should
be
a
review
of
all
opportunities,
so
we
have
a
broad
picture
of
what
what
those
are
and
then
we
can
make
decisions
appropriately,
trying
to
identify
one
without
any
background
information
other
than
we
know
Hetherington,
and
we
think
it
should
be
revitalized
I
think
is,
while
well-intentioned
I
think
is
not
the
proper
process
we
should
be
going
forward
through.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
You
I
know
you
want
to
speak
again,
but
we
have
to
wait
and
see
if
any
page
you've
already
spoken
briefly.
Anybody
else
want
to
speak.
Oh
sorry,
I
thought
I
already
I
just
put
you
on
the
wrong
list.
I
put
you
on
the
wrong
list.
You're
next,
though
counselor
Brockington
and
did
you
want
speak
answer
me
because
I
didn't
have
any
list
Kesha
Brockington
thank.
M
What
this
entails
talking
about
engaging
stakeholders
talking
about
private
public
investment
in
partnerships,
redevelopment
of
vacant
lands,
but
I
want
to
have
a
clear
distinction
in
my
mind.
What
have
we
done
in
communities
in
the
past
and
present
to
make
them
better,
and
how
will
this
motion
be
one
step
above
that?
So
what
is
that?
What
is
staffs
true
interpretation
of
the
motion,
as
it's
written.
G
G
M
G
The
financial
aspects
of
it
all,
because
there's
limitations
on
what
the
city
and
och
can
do
in
terms
of
dollars
how
we
draw
the
private
sector
in
to
be
able
to
participate.
So,
yes,
that
would
that
would
come
forward.
But
at
the
same
time
we
do.
If
this
motion
passes,
we
would
be
certainly
having
our
eyes
focused
on
the
habit
having
two
area
and
move
forward
with
that
and.
M
Finally,
madam
chair,
very
briefly
on
the
issue
of
the
location
and
the
identification
of
the
location,
I
see
this
really
or
even
discussed
pilot
project,
but
you
really
need
to
start
with
one
neighborhood
first
and
we
need
to
learn
from
measure
from
and
learn
the
outcomes
of
this
project
and
we
find
it
going
forward
because
if
this
is
successful
and
if
we
can
adopt
best
practices
that
councillor
Dean's
identified
in
I
believe
she
said
Atlanta,
then
we
can
roll
this
out
in
other
neighborhoods.
So
we
can.
M
We
can
create
a
priority
list
based
on
various
criteria
that
these
neighborhoods
have.
So,
let's
do
it
with
one.
Certainly
I:
don't
dispute
that
this
neighborhood
has
its
share
of
challenges
and
can
benefit
from
some
significant
improvements
and,
like
I
said
my
own
Ward
has
similar
challenges
but
being
a
neighbor
of
the
the
Albion
Hetherington
community
I
would
support
this.
M
E
Thank
you,
I'm
sure,
just
wander
just
a
couple
of
the
other
issues
raised.
One
was
that
you
know
the
notion
that
we
might
as
well
go
through
this
process,
because
the
same
outcome
is
possible
at
the
end
of
it
at
the
end
of
an
additional
process.
Well,
that's
not
necessarily
true,
because
if
we
leave
now
we
have
the
Hydra
partnership
to
work
with,
and
that
offers
us
many
more
opportunities.
E
My
second
issue
there
was
a
second
point.
I
want
to
remind
people
of
us.
We
are
here
to
exercise
discretion.
We
are
not
here
to
always
farm
things
out
to
a
set
of
equations
to
arrive
at
our
outcome.
If
all
you
have
to
do
is
that
we
could
sit
down
once
every
term
hand
over
all
of
the
criteria
and
equations
and
leave
there'd
be
no
reason
for
us
to
be
here,
but
we
are
here
to
recognize
proposals
that
are
responsible
and
make
sense
in
to
intervene
with
our
discussion
and
exercise
that
that's
our
responsibility.
E
You
know
I
remember
last
term
there
was
a
lot
of
work
done
by
economic
development
to
try
to
remedy
the
situation
in
both
corners
and
one
of
the
things
that
came
out
of
that
process,
along
with
some
other
processes,
was
the
proposal
for
CIP
in
the
city.
So
this
was
begun
to
remedy
Bell's
corners.
We
get
through
the
process
and
council
determined
not
to
pick
those
corners
as
the
recipient
of
the
CIP,
but
to
pick
or
liens
and
at
the
time
I
thought
that
was
a
foolish
decision,
but
I
kept
telling
myself.
E
But
my
point
is:
council
exercises
discretion
and,
in
the
end,
I
think
they
were
right
and
council
rosewood
benefits
by
it
and
I
think
that
we
can
never
be
afraid
to
exercise
our
discretion
when
we
know
that
by
moving
forward
today,
we
will
create
progress
by
not
moving
forward.
Today,
we
will
spend
the
same
amount
of
money
on
a
study
that
may
hopefully
point
is
in
the
same
direction.
That
may
not
so
so
thanks.
A
So
most
of
my
meetings
with
an
exceptional
Board
had
been
a
major
American
cities
and
I've
seen
a
lot
of
people
hold
up.
Our
agency,
Park,
like
it's
like,
which
is
a
purse,
got
nothing
on
some
of
the
stuff
that
I've
seen
and
the
reason
that
I
got
Hetherington
when
she
was
telling
me
what
she
was
talking
to
me
about
how
blown
away
she
was
by
what
she
saw
was
because
Hetherington
has
all
of
the
right
criteria
to
be
successful
in
a
pilot.
A
It
has
available
employment,
it
has
transit,
it
has
a
mix
of
housing
providers,
it
has
available
land,
it
has
the
amenities.
That's
that
successful
communities
need
to
be
healthy.
It
does
so
I
got
that.
However,
I
still
tried
up
until
half
an
hour
ago
to
talk
councillor
Dean's
and
going
through
a
process,
a
process
whereby
we
would
have
the
criteria
set
down
on
the
issue.
Only
of
factors
like
I
just
talked
about,
because
I
have
a
good
understanding
of
what
makes
so
successful
and
how
they
affect
change.
A
For
me,
anyone
who's,
making
this
about
a
competition
between
Ottawa,
community
housing
and
having
jen
is
just
downright
wrong.
Autokey,
a
housing
is
doing
a
lot
of
really
good
stuff
and
they're
looking
at
some
major
investments,
but
you
have
to
have
in
order
to
have
this
pilot
be
effective
for
every
place
across
the
city,
and
last
week
I
asked
mr.
Barrie
for
a
map
of
Ottawa
as
to
where
afford
subsidized
or
any
kind
of
housing
was.
A
There
are
dots
on
top
of
each
other
from
one
end
of
the
city
to
the
other,
so
opening
it
up
for
a
two-month
process
to
discuss
where
possibly
it
could
be,
sounds
like
it
would
be
transparent
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
because
I
have
the
knowledge
and
I've
actually
seen
the
impacts
of
what
this
dozen
cities
I've
always
thought
myself.
That
Hetherington
would
be
a
natural.
A
A
As
far
as
the
best
opportunity
for
the
rest
of
our
city
and
I,
don't
think
the
$250,000
is
a
sufficient
amount
of
money
to
do
it
properly.
Quite
honestly,
but
you
know
what
we
are
not
going
to
be
in
any
way
embarrassed
by
the
amount
of
money
we
are
contributing
to
to
affordable
housing
in
the
city
under
the
mayor's
leadership
in
his
first
term
when
he
ran
it
was
a
pillar
that
he
was
proud
to
champion,
and
he
supported
that
so
much
more
than
we've
ever
been
putting
in
before
so
I.
A
J
A
A
A
A
M
You,
madam
chair
Midas,
note
in
the
report
of
the
staff
report
that,
under
the
current
development
charges
by
law,
the
exemption
of
development
charges
for
affordable
housing
extends
only
to
units
that
are
owned
by
a
non-profit
or
charitable
housing
organizations.
So
that
explains
why
I
guess
Habitat
for
Humanity
is
not
included.
But
my
question
is
what
other
entities
has
the
city
waived,
these
types
of
charges
for
and
is
there
criteria
that
the
city
uses
for
these
exemptions?
M
Are
they
one
offs
one-off
requests
by
the
organization,
or
do
we
follow
a
list
that
we
have
agreed
on
in
the
past
that
these
cases
would
just
be
automatically
approved
through
the
normal
process?
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
who
is
Council
normally
approve
these
types
of
exemptions
for
and
who
do
we
reject
them.
G
I
was
going
to
confer
with
mr.
mark,
but
the
dénouement
charges
viola
itself
lays
out
what
you
know
what
the
criteria
is
for
exemptions
in
terms
of
different
different
organizations
that
may
want
to
come
and
ask
for
an
exemption
every
exemption
that
his
ass
of
the
normal
charge
viola
has
to
come
to
Council
for
decision
so
comes
through
committee
and
then
to
to
council.
So
this
would
be
a
situation
where
no
committee
can
and
and
Council
make
the
decision
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
they
want
to
approve
this
exemption
or
not.
But.
A
Know
we
used
to
do
we
used
to
mean
probably
two
or
three
terms
ago
in
councillor
le
we
remember
this
one.
We
used
to
give
exemptions
to
hospitals,
for
example,
so
there
was
expansion
of
the
queen's
accountant
hospital.
We
would
forgive
development
charges
or
of
the
more
we
would
give
development
charge,
and-
and
so
there
are
other
examples,
but
we
change
that
and
we
change
it.
I
think
in
2002
terms
ago,
I
believe.
F
Was
an
amendment
made
in
2004
with
respect
to
those
programs
and
while
the
debates
been
continuing,
I
have
been
able
to
call
up
the
development
charge
bylaw,
and
so
there
are
two
other
areas
where
the
bar
law
allows
for
exemptions
by
counsel.
One
is
where
it
specifically
authorized
by
resolution
of
council
development
on
land
owned
by
a
nonprofit
corporation
provider
of
child
care
and
long-term
care
facilities,
and
then
actually
and
we're
specifically
authorized
by
resolution
of
council
development
on
on
land,
where
public
facilities
being
provided.
J
C
H
A
I
would
I
would
ask
that
the
appropriate
person
meet
with
council
brockington
and
given
the
foursome
report
on
on
this
topic,
its
own
good,
anything
else.
So,
on
this
item,
everybody
carry.
Thank
you,
many
notices
of
motions
for
consideration
subsequent
meeting.
No,
how
about
increase
no
other
business.
We
already
dealt
with
just
remind
everybody
that
we
have
our
workshop
as
a
committee
on
Monday,
the
15th
at
11:30,
and
you
may
see
a
change
on
the
location
I
look
forward
to
that.