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Planning Committee meeting – March 10, 2015 – Audio Stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
B
Welcome
everyone.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
two
to
four
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
listed
above.
Only
those
who
make
all
submissions
today
are
written.
Submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
entire
municipal
board.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
interior
Municipal
Board.
B
Okay,
are
there
any
declarations
of
interest?
None.
Thank
you,
confirmation
of
minutes
at
February,
24th
2015.
You
know
they
carry.
Thank
you.
We
have
item
number
one.
Is
the
status
update
planning
committee
inquiries?
This
is
from
the
city
clerk
and
Solicitor
Department,
as
is
this
received.
Receive
second
item.
Is
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
469,
Terry,
Fox
and
Mitchell
and
I
will
say
that
we
have
someone
in
agreement
with
this,
so
we're
just
going
to
hold
that
and
we'll
come
back
to
it?
Okay,
maybe
mister.
Is
it
mr.
Alex
irani
ironic?
B
Did
you
want
to
speak
to
this
item?
Okay,
so
we'll
hold
it
okay.
Number
three:
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
1:54
O'connor
Street?
They
don't
have
any
speakers
on
that.
Does
anyone
want
to
hold
it?
Is
it
Carrie?
Thank
you.
Number
4
is
the
infamous
1110
Fisher
Avenue
and
we
have
know
we
do
have
a
speaker
on
it.
We
have
mr.
Phillips's
here
in
the
audience.
Does
anyone
on
the
committee
and
mr.
Phillips
there?
You
are
you're
in
agreement,
and
so
if
the
committee
carries
this
item,
you
don't
need
to
speak.
B
B
And
Heather
pearl
so
we'll
hold
the
item
and
then
we'll
deal
with
the
technical
amendment.
Then
Heather
are
you
here,
I,
don't
see?
Okay,
number
six!
We
have
no
speakers.
It's
the
proposed
amendment
to
bylaw
2014
to
39
development
charges
back
ground
study,
stormwater
management
on
a
drainage
system.
They
put
five
and
channelization
area
east
six.
As
that
carried
councilor
brain
carry.
B
Everyone
carried,
thank
you
and
we're
holding
number
seven
for
presentations,
and
we
have
an
additional
item
that
we
need
to
waive
their
rules,
for
you
want
to
do
that
right
now,
okay,
so
we
have
an
additional
item
that
I'm
going
to
ask
you
that
what
it
is
it
has
to
do
with
Wesley
clover,
the
former
Nepean
equestrian
park
and
counselor
sure
Ella
can
speak
to
it
and,
first
of
all
of
the
rules
waived.
It's
it's
time-sensitive
is
why
we
have
it
before
us
today.
C
There's
a
wave
DiNozzo!
Okay!
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
deals
with
the
Wesley
clover
parks
which,
by
the
way
the
it
plays
a
key
role
in
the
development
redevelopment
of
Belle's
corners.
So
it's
very
important
to
the
area.
As
you
all
know,
Shania
Twain
is
coming
to
Ottawa
on
the
27th
of
June
and
it
was
noted
that
the
Wesley
clover
site
is
not
currently
zoned
to
permit
a
concert
of
that
size.
C
It
would
be
a
temporary
rezoning
only
applying
to
this
event
this
day
and
pending
the
success
of
the
event,
the
NCC
will
be
moving
ahead
with
agreements
and
applications
to
on
behalf
of
Wesley
clover,
to
make
the
rezoning
permanent.
But
in
the
meantime
we
have
to
move
quickly
so
that
the
concert
can
go
ahead
and
so
that
my
daughter's
don't
disown
me
and
kick
me
out
of
the
house.
D
Bright,
it's
one
question
to
mr.
Miller
mr.
Moser.
This
is
the
second
such
temporary
change
in
as
many
weeks
for
major
events,
is
it
possible
to
review
those
parcels
plan
that
are
prone
or
potentially
very
well-suited
for
these
types
of
events,
to
ensure
that
the
property
owners
are
aware
of
their
zoning
and
they
don't
happen
upon
booking
a
major
celebrity
for
a
concert
and
then
we're
rushing
to
change
the
zoning
to
accommodate
them.
E
B
F
B
F
B
B
G
Good
morning,
the
motion
was
of
clarification.
The
applicant
had
requested
the
accessory
use,
building
475
square
metres
and,
in
fact,
there's
two
accessory
used
buildings
for
the
bicycle
storage
and
waste
management
facility,
and
so
the
intent
was
that
it
was
75
per
accessory
use
building.
So
in
a
cumulative
gross
floor
area
of
150
square
meters,.
B
H
Thank
you
for
giving
you
time
my
name's
Alexandra
Aaronic
I'm,
president
of
the
March
for
Community
Association
I'm
beyond
here
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
my
leadership
team
regarding
the
469
Terry
Fox
development.
We
have
four
comments.
One
first
is,
we
do
receive
a
package
and
therefore
can
give
written.
We
did
receive
email
notification.
We
just
feel
that,
due
to
the
history
of
this
development,
there
should
have
been
a
follow-up.
When
we
didn't
get
a
comment
in,
we
did
check
with
our
neighboring
community
association.
H
They
as
well
did
not
receive
a
package,
it's
quite
possible
in
the
rural
areas.
Mail
delivery
has
been
a
bit
spotty
recently,
but
we
would
just
like
to
make
sure
it
is
known
when
there
is
a
development
that
has
a
bit
more
of
a
history
to
it.
If
we
could
at
least
get
a
phone
call
to
make
sure
we're
good
with
it.
Second
is
we
support
the
stacked
units
because
they
reduced
a
building
footprint.
We
do
appreciate
this,
particularly
in
a
rural
area.
We
are
watching
the
encroachment
of
development
and
we
do
appreciate
these
densities.
H
We
did
have
a
question
regarding
the
Richardson
farmhouse
Heritage
status,
which
staff
did
dutifully
reply
to
us
and
we
are
satisfied
with
it.
We
just
would
like
to
know
to
make
sure
that
that
Heritage
status
is
maintained
and
that
has
an
integrated
Azura's,
its
single-family
dwelling
or
it
is
used
as
a
community
building.
The
fourth
item
is:
we
are
interested
in
the
solution
for
the
storm
water
management.
Pond.
H
We
did
see
the
report
from
staff
indicating
that
there
was
I
bi
group
prepared
a
report
in
October
2014,
stating
that
would
be
integrated
into
the
existing
service
area
and
that
it
as
well
as
the
interim
pond.
We
believe,
since
the
intern
pond
was
approved
in
2010.
We
would
actually
like
to
see
a
final
stormwater
management.
Pond
plan
approved
just
due
to
the
flooding
and
the
area.
Clear,
lawn
carp,
flood
plans
and
it
cannot
itself.
H
B
H
G
I'll
help,
but
just
all
three
of
his
comments,
so
in
terms
of
our
records,
do
indicate
that
the
Montreal
Community
Association
had
received
or
had
been
sent
out,
an
information
package,
and
that
was
at
the
end
of
October.
So
in
terms
of
it's
not
our
typical
standard
to
follow
up
after
those
mail
outs
have
gone
out,
they
did
receive
a
heads
up
because
they
are
a
registered
community
group
and
unfortunately,
I
didn't
hear
from
them
until
late
February
that
they
hadn't
received
anything
in
terms
of
the
Heritage
status.
G
It
is
a
designated
property,
and
so
the
proposal
is
using
the
heritage
building
as
an
accessory
as
an
auxilary
use,
building,
and
so
anything
that
would
be
changed
to
the
outside
of
the
building
would
have
to
go
through
our
heritage
group,
and
so
the
proponent
is
not
planning
to
make
any
changes
at
this
time
to
the
exterior
building
and
then
with
respect
to
the
storm
pond.
The
interim
storm
pond
has
been
designed
to
accommodate
the
increase
in
density
and
the
built
form
that's
proposed
through
this
zoning.
The
final
storm
pond
management-
sorry
final
storm.
G
H
B
D
Morning,
madam
chair
and
members
of
committee,
my
name
is
Greg
winters
I'm,
with
Nova
Tech
engineering,
I'm,
an
urban
planner
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
uniform
developments
here
to
speak
to
the
development
today
in
support
of
it.
I
believe
staff
have
adequately
addressed
the
comments
made
by
March
rural
Association,
but
if
it's
necessary
or
or
deemed
appropriate,
we
do
have
the
engineer
from
ibi
who
prepared
the
interim
stormwater
design
and
the
stormwater
management
for
this
particular
site,
and
they
can
speak
to
that
and
address
any
additional
questions
if
necessary.
I.
B
I
Wanted
to
say,
I
did
have
this
development,
one
of
my
town,
hall
meetings
and
I
did
advertise
that
to
the
community
that
has
on
my
email
newsletter
and
some
of
them
March
rural
people
are
on
that
Unilever.
So
that,
though
there
was
some
comments
on
it
there,
but
they
were
all
addressed
by
the
developer
at
the
time.
This
is
a
form
of
housing
that
we're
finding
is
a
good
way
to
get
higher
density
in
the
suburban
areas.
I
Just
so
I
have
similar
ones
just
down
the
road
from
there
eight
buildings
on
Terry
Fox
already,
and
they
sold
very
quickly.
They
have
an
elevator
in
them
they
have
underground
parking
and
then
three
or
four
stories
of
apartments
and
of
getting
other
ones
that
are
going
towards
I.
Think
I'm
gonna
have
two
more
developments
like
that
very
shortly.
We've
looked
at
this
in
our
expansion
lens
as
a
possible
way
of
getting
the
densities.
B
I
Absolutely
we've
had
experience
with
and
they
are
wood
construction
and
the
only
problem
with
with
construction.
You
do
get
a
bit
of
noise
between
the
floors.
That's
the
only
objection,
I've
heard
from
the
ones
that
are
in
existence
and
there
may
be
a
better
ways
of
making
soundproofing,
which
is
the
one
thing
that
seemed
but
other
than
that
people
really
like
them.
Perfect.
B
H
H
B
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we
have
anybody
else.
Have
any
questions
comments?
Okay,
so,
on
the
technical
amendment
from
councillor
hubely,
doubling
the
size
of
the
space,
the
amenity
space
is
that
carry
and
on
the
item
as
amended,
then
it's
carried.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
now
we're
going
to
item
number
five.
We
have
two
speakers
on
that.
B
J
I'm
heather
pearl
co-chair
of
the
Champlain
Park
Community,
Association
and
I
have
been
involved
in
the
infill
one
bylaw
consultation
from
the
very
beginning
five
years
ago,
so
I
probably
have
been
to
every
single
meeting
that
they
ever
had.
Well,
maybe
I
missed
a
couple,
but
we
were
here
in
2012
in
support
of
this
bylaw
and
basically
I'm
really
happy
to
be
able
to
restate
what
I
said
at
that
point,
that
we
commend
planning
staff
on
the
comprehensiveness
and
the
intelligence
of
the
sustained
consultation
process
and
support
the
full
implementation
of
this
bylaw.
J
We
are
not
about
River
community
and
we
have
a
number
of
very
large
trees
that
predate
Canada
and
we
have
gardens
and
green
spaces,
and
we
need
to
preserve
those
things
for
Ottawa
as
a
whole,
because
trees
are
the
lungs
of
the
earth
sort
of
thing.
Okay,
there
are
a
number
of
provisions
that
we
found
particularly
useful
during
the
past
three
years
in
which,
at
which
time
they
were
in
effect,
though
they
were
under.
You
know,
the
front
yard
averaging
was
one
of
them.
J
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
key
points
that
contributed
to
combative
compatibility
in
communities
across
the
inner
urban
area,
the
streetscape
character
analysis
which
has
been
put
in
since
that's
a
lovely
tool.
I
actually
took
it
out
for
a
ride
myself,
I've
used
it
I
went
through
the
whole
thing.
If
I
can
do
it,
anybody
can.
J
So
that
is
a
great
tool
and
I
think
it
makes
people
look
at
the
community
that
they're
building
in
because
these
communities
were
not
blank
slates,
we
are
pre-existing,
we
have
character,
we
have
very
active
communities
and
something
like
a
character.
Analysis
just
says:
look
at
where
you're
building
are
you
going
to
fit
in
and
we're
not
saying
be
like
everything
else
will
know
that
houses
are
going
to
be
bigger.
J
J
So
we've
always
been
interested
in
maintaining
community
character
and
we
find
that
everything
that
we're
looking
for
is
really
has
really
been
represented
in
or
the
tenets
underlie
the
infill
one
by
law
and
now
we're
looking
to
the
city
to
finally
get
this
passed,
it's
been
a
long
time
coming.
What
we
really
need
now
is
to
ensure
that
it's
enforced,
because
by
laws
that
are
not
enforced,
are
just
words
on
a
page
and
we
have
experience
of
bylaws
that
haven't
been
enforced,
even
though
we've
contacted
the
city.
J
So
let's
you
know
make
sure
that
this
thing
works.
It
has
to
education
of
all
the
people,
developers,
city
staff,
everybody
and,
let's
make
sure
it's
it's
it's
actually
going
to
work.
The
next
thing
is
there
were
a
whole
lot
of
process
changes
that
went
along
with
the
the
bylaw
in
2012
and
I
can't
stress
how
important
it
is
to
really
finally
get
these
process
changes
implemented
and,
in
particular,
the
ones
where
you're
getting
the
information
or
the
committee
of
adjustment.
So
they
can
truly
make
a
good
decision
again
a
lot
of
times
they
get.
J
They
get
their
plans.
They've
got
a
sketch
of
a
design;
they
don't
have
any
concept
of
how
it
fits
on
to
onto
into
the
community
and
onto
the
lot
and
so
giving
them
that
information
is
absolutely
crucial
and
they
need.
They
also
need
to
have
training
in
how
how
to
you
know
what
to
look
at
so
I
guess
really
I'm
so
happy
that
this
is
finally
passing
I'm
really
pushing
for
enforcement,
and
let's
get
these
processed
changes
going.
J
B
You
and
actually
I,
don't
know
how
you
did
it,
but
you
took
longer
than
the
buzzer
never
went
off
so
I'm,
just
asking
Chris,
but
I
wanted
to
rise.
So
thank
you
for
the
five
years
that
you
spent
working
on
that
with
people
like
you
and
people
across
the
city
that
get
involved.
That,
actually,
you
know,
give
us
a
really
good
go
forward
to
where
we
should
be
going,
but
just
say
the
case
for
anybody
who
might
know
what
sham
may
not
know
what
Champlain
Park
is.
Let
me
just
say
exactly.
E
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
engagement
going
back
a
couple
of
years
developed
through
the
info,
one
bylaw
with
the
developers
at
the
table,
as
well
as
community
associations
and
obviously
leader
in
that
providing
your
expertise
to
you,
where
the
Federation
citizens,
associations
and
other
community
associations
I
think
that
was
a
big
capacity
building
exercise
other
than
the
outcome
that
we
achieved
here
today.
So
just
to
say,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
B
A
Let
me
start
by
echoing
the
comments
from
councilor
leaper:
it's
been
a
real
pleasure
over
the
years
working
with
Heather
I've
done
a
number
of
projects
in
Champlain
Park
and,
with
one
exception,
they've
all
gone
very
smoothly.
I
won't
talk
about
the
one
exception,
madam
chair
members
of
committee,
there's
good
news
and
there's
bad
news
that
goes
with
this
report.
That's
before
you
today
that
the
bad
news,
quite
simply,
is
it's
taken
three
years
to
get
here,
which
I
think
is
unfortunate.
A
It's
a
reflection,
I
think
of
the
challenges
and
the
frustrations
of
the
industry
in
terms
of
working
with
staff
to
come
up
with
a
bylaw
that
is
understandable
and
B
is
actually
workable.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
the
industry
wanted
to
be
sure
that
we
had
a
bylaw
that
would
enable
them
to
actually
build
a
marketable
product.
A
The
the
relationship
with
the
community
associations
and
the
builders
that
I
work
with
I
think
it's
improving.
Every
time
we
get
together.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
infill
one
and
now
we're
talking
about
infill.
So
the
cautions
I
have
are
twofold.
One
is
that,
on
the
appeals
that
were
filed
with
respect
to
infill
one,
there
was
an
issues
list
I
prepared
for
the
hearing
that
was
scheduled
for
two
weeks,
starting
in
May.
A
There
are
27
or
28
issues
on
that
list
when
we
went
to
mediation
with
city
staff
in
January
the
industry,
scope
that
lists
down
to
7
issues.
What
that
means,
of
course,
is
that
we
left
21
issues
on
the
table
and
we're
just
have
to
wait
and
see
how
this
unfolds
so
I
think
one
of
the
important
things
let's
just
quickly
look
in
the
report.
I
can
recall
it's
still
in
the
report,
but
the
intention
is
to
come
back
and
report
back
to
planning
committee
I.
A
Think
it's
in
two
years
to
give
you
a
kind
of
a
report
card
on
how
things
are
going
so
we'll
see.
You
know
this
introduces
a
brand
new
concept.
There
streetscape
character
analysis.
The
industry
is
a
little
anxious
about
how
that's
going
to
work
and
how
it's
going
to
play
out.
So
I
look
forward
to
coming
back
and
see
where
we
are
in
in
two
years
time.
The
other
caution
I
have
is
infill.
A
My
next
meeting
with
the
community
associations
is
tomorrow
to
talk
about
infill
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
work
through
a
process
with
them
and
with
staff
who
have
been
invited
to
participate
in
those
meetings
to
reach
some
resolutions
on
infill
before
that
comes
before
you
I
hope
it's,
the
resin
won't
I
look
forward
to
the
discussions
on
infill
in
the
next
few
months.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thanks.
B
Very
much
Marie
and
thank
you
for
your
comments
on
how
good
it
is
that
the
staff,
the
community
and
you
and
the
industry
is
working
collaboratively
on
really
what's
very
important
in
and
leading
issues
I
mean
the
same.
We
have
coming
up
the
building
better,
smarter
suburbs,
it's
it's
the
suburban
infill,
if
you
will-
and
so
we
I
know
how
hard
they
that
we've
been
working
on
that
as
well.
Mister
misery
did
you
want
to
say
anything
mr.
Lyon,
or
to
wrap
it
up.
Madam.
L
A
quick
question,
thank
you
and
I
certainly
share
the
congratulations
that
others
have
communicated.
The
good
news
is
that,
before
this
is
even
approved,
I'm
hearing
from
various
neighborhoods
in
my
ward,
who
are
not
currently
part
of
this
who
want
in
and
I
think
that's
a
very,
very
positive
sign
and
I
just
wondered.
If
staff
could
outline
the
process
whereby
parts
of
wards
which
are
included
in
in
phase
one
could
be
included
in
the
ambit
of
the
Bible.
Thank
you.
E
Madam
true,
through
you,
as
mr.
Chen,
has
indicated,
the
planning
committee
recommendation
that
went
with
the
revision
of
the
bylaw
back
in
August
and
indeed
the
zoning
strategy
that
first
was
presented
on
this
bylaw
included
a
two-year
monitoring
period.
So
in
terms
of
our
next
steps,
what
happens
now
is?
Should
committee
carry
our
recommendation.
E
B
E
Yes,
I
do
you
are
madam
chair.
In
short,
there
was
a
bit
of
wordsmithing
and
clarifies
that
the
streetscape
character
analysis
isn't
required
for
the
additions
of
existing
homes
that
don't
abut
to
the
front
or
the
corner
side
yards
makes
consistent
to
use
in
the
trim
habitat
floor
space
throughout
the
bylaw,
as
well
as
it
makes
a
question
to
the
term
apartment,
mid-rise
and
apartment
high-rise,
which
are
two
separate
defined
items
that
we
defined
last
summer.
B
Thank
you
any
questions
on
the
technical
member
who's
that,
because
that
carry
does
anyone
have
any
comments
on
the
on
the
item
itself
so
as
it
carried
as
amended.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
everybody,
okay.
So
our
last
item
that
we've
held
today
is
the
long
time
coming,
building
better
than
smarter
suburbs.
K
You're
ready,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
has
been
one
of
those
projects
that
everyone
agrees
is
necessary,
but
in
the
past,
I
have
not
had
the
mandate
to
go
forward.
So
I
want
to
thank
madam
chair
for
her
role
and
in
counselors
role
and
making
this
a
priority
for
the
city
in
a
big
city
like
Ottawa.
Suburban
development
is
a
constant
ongoing
activity
and
it
does
constitute
the
everyday
life
of
hundreds
of
people,
viewed
a
city
staff,
professional
consultants,
school
boards
utilities
and
the
development
industry.
K
But,
as
you
pointed
out
many
times,
madam
chair,
what
issues
start
to
accumulate?
You
have
to
take
a
step
back
and
bring
everyone
around
the
table
so
that
a
comprehensive
review
can
be
achieved.
This
is
what
is
before
you
today.
The
report
you
are
receiving
represents
two
years
worth
of
that
comprehensive
review,
a
big-picture
work
on
some
of
the
issues
we've
all
been
experiencing.
K
E
E
Some
of
the
highlights
a
very
fulfilling
and
comprehensive
discussion
that
has
occurred
over
the
last
two
years,
with
the
assistance
of
the
planning
partnership
consultant
that
we
hired
at
the
beginning
of
the
process
and
assisted
us
in
framing
some
of
the
discussions.
Basically
turning
around
the
reality
of
how
we
develop
suburban
neighborhoods,
one
of
the
things
that
opened
everybody's
eyes
is
that
suburban
densities
have
increased
by
70%
since
amalgamation.
We
are
building
suburban
neighborhoods
today
that
are
denser
than
the
Glebe
and
denser
than
sandy
Hill,
and
therefore
logistically.
E
We
need
to
take
a
more
holistic
approach
to
how
they
perform.
As
mrs.
Mehta
notice
noted,
this
is
a
good
client
service
to
the
residents
that
buy
properties
and
going
call
them
home
and
make
them
their
neighborhoods.
It's
interesting
as
well
that
the
types
of
homes
being
built
in
the
suburbs
has
dramatically
evolved
over
the
years,
almost
60%
for
the
housing
babies.
Button
is
being
built
in
Ottawa
suburbs.
M
Think
mr.
bivas
members
of
committee,
madam
chair,
and
from
the
crepe
shop
from
planning
apartment,
so
in
May
2014
report,
one
of
the
building
better
and
smarter
suburbs
was
approved
by
council
for
the
vision
and
principles.
When
we
look
at
the
mandate
of
building
better
and
smarter
suburbs,
it
can
really
be
summarized
in
four
words:
design,
live,
move
and
use.
M
New
subdivisions
need
to
look
at
innovative
designs
to
respond
to
past
and
current
challenges,
our
subdivisions
to
be
livable,
complete
communities
where
people
of
all
modes
of
travel
can
move
around
and
we're
talking
about
an
efficient
use
of
land
and
resources.
So
what
this
means
is
that
our
suburbs
will
be
land
efficient
and
integrated
well,
designed
and
financially
sustainable,
a
reminder
of
the
vision
that
was
approved.
M
You
can
see
it
on
the
slide
here,
but
essentially
the
message
is
that
the
principles
of
good
urbanism
should
apply
to
the
suburbs,
as
they
do
apply
to
other
parts
of
the
city.
So,
what's
before,
planning
committee
today
is
report
two
of
the
building
better
and
smarter
suburbs.
It's
the
strategic
directions
in
action
plan.
It's
broken
down
into
nine
chapters,
the
document
one!
M
M
We
want
to
look
at
options
of
planting
more
trees,
especially
in
the
context
of
viable
options
where
clay
soil
conditions
exist,
involving
OC
Transpo
early
in
the
process
so
having
them,
perhaps
attend
pre
consults
or
getting
them
involved
early
in
the
discussion
to
talk
about
new
bus
routes
and
more
transit
stations
can
go
in
a
new
subdivision.
We're
looking
at
reviewing
the
right-of-way
options,
there's
a
number
of
things
that
needs
to
be
addressed
and
reviewed
by
the
working
groups,
building
traffic
calming
measures
having
that
discussion
early
in
the
process.
M
Looking
at
on
street
parking,
this
captures
a
number
of
things,
such
as
the
city's
on
street
parking
policies
and
allowing
on
through
parking
permits,
or
even
as
much
as
saying,
is
there
enough
room
between
driveways
to
allow
and
on
street
parking
space.
We're
also
looking
at
through
this
project
the
ability
to
accommodate
residential
parking
on
a
property,
so
people
are
able
to
park
in
their
garage
and
on
the
driveway
without
having
conflict
with
sidewalks
or
the
street.
M
And
lastly,
another
quick
item
that
will
be
looked
at
by
queue
for
this
year
is
adding
information
to
purchasing
sale
agreements
for
new
homes,
to
clarify
parking
regulations
and
other
items
that
a
potential
purchaser
moving
in.
That
subdivision
will
have
full
knowledge
of
what
the
full
build-out
scenario
is,
where
sidewalks
are
going
to
go,
whether
intended
parking
is
to
be,
and
things
of
that
nature,
so
complete
transparency
for
a
resident
moving
into
a
new
subdivision.
M
To
give
you
an
example
of
some
of
those
quick
wins,
we're
talking
about
our
policy
of
clay
soils
and
tree
planting,
this
is
essentially
the
result.
You
get
a
streetscape
with
no
trees.
It's
a
city
policy
issue
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
through
this
policy
process,
where,
if
clay
soils
are
conditioned,
the
immediate
result
should
be
should
not
be
no
trees,
it
needs
to
be
looked
at
better
and
analyze.
What
type
of
soils
are
we
dealing
with?
Is
that
soil
condition
across
the
entire
subdivision?
M
M
Another
challenge
being
faced
that
will
be
looked
at
through
this
process
is,
is
the
parking
in
the
driveway,
so,
for
example,
here
you
can
see
that
the
dimension
between
perhaps
the
garage
door
and
the
street
is
really
like
one
and
a
half
car
lengths
and
what
happens
in
that
context
is
you
can
see
the
the
beige
vehicle
there
they've
tried
to
squeeze
in
a
second
vehicle
so
now
we're
having
issue
with
parking
and
vehicles
hanging
over
the
street,
it's
conflicting
with
on
street
parking.
So
this
is
another
area
and
challenge
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
M
We've
heard
from
residents
that
this
is
an
issue
and
we
need
to
respond
to
it.
Another
quick
example
of
the
on
street
parking,
so
that
this
is
about
the
dimension
between
driveways.
There
used
to
be
enough
room
between
driveways
to
actually
park
a
car,
because
if
you
leave
just
a
little
bit
of
room,
someone
will
try
to
park
there
and
you
get
this
effect
where
vehicles
are
hanging
over
driveways
and
causing
that
type
of
conflict
with
the
driveway
and
backing
out
into
traffic.
M
M
It
really
depends
on
the
action
plan
item
itself,
an
example
of
guidelines
we'd
be
looking
at
the
urban
design
guidelines
for
green
fields,
talking
about
Street
patterns,
block
lengths,
block
lengths,
rear
lane
locations,
if
that's
an
option
and
the
use
of
smaller
park
types
and
how
those
spaces
can
be
programmed.
Other
action
plan
items
may
be
addressed
through
a
zoning
study
and
ultimately,
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
This,
for
example,
could
be
the
garage
location
and
parking
space
dimensions,
driveway
spacing
and
relay
in
design.
M
So
you
may
be
asking
me:
how
is
this
going
to
be
implemented?
How
will
this
all
work
out
over
the
term
of
council
we've
established
three
working
groups
to
really
look
at
the
the
background
document
of
the
strategic
directions
in
action
plan?
Those
working
groups
are
streets,
working
group
parks,
working
group
and
schools
working
group.
Each
one
of
those
groups
has
a
number
of
action
plan
items
that
will
be
reviewed
over
the
term
of
council
to
implement
those
plans
and
and
come
up
with
recommendations
for
different
options
of
how
new
subdivisions
can
be
built.
M
So
the
streets
will
be
looking
at
things
like
trees,
utility
placement,
stormwater
management,
snow
storage
and
traffic
calming
the
parks.
Working
group
will
also
be
looking
at
stormwater
management,
but
from
our
on
the
park's
perspective,
tree
protection
looking
at
different
park
types
so
incorporating
smaller
park
types
throughout
a
subdivision
and
again
the
tree
planting
concern
and
clay
soils.
The
schools
working
group
is
doing
a
number
of
things
as
well,
so
we
could
be
looking
at
pedestrian
and
cycling
facilities.
M
The
really
the
schools
need
to
look
at
a
better
efficient
use
of
their
land,
so
that
might
be
multi-story
schools
and
what
to
do
with
school
sites
in
a
temporary
situation
before
a
school
is
built
so
prior
to
school
sites
being
optioned.
Is
there
an
ability
there
for
a
developer
to
put
a
temporary
park
for
an
example?
M
We're
looking
at
other
things
through
schools
like
bus,
lay
by
student,
pickup
and
trim
were
lot
retention
so
what's
before
the
committee
today
is
the
strategic
directions,
an
action
plan
for
building
better
and
smarter
suburbs
and
essentially,
what's
being
approved.
The
recommendation
is,
it
is
a
background
document.
This
is
not
policy.
This
is
a
document
to
guide
the
working
groups,
to
discuss
each
action
plan
item
and
come
up
with
a
way
to
implement
that
item.
M
The
action
plan
really
guides
the
working
groups
for
implementation
during
this
time
of
council
and
the
work
plan
is
also
there
to
assist
the
development
industry
in
building
new
subdivision
products
that
really
align
with
building
a
lot
of
livable
Ottawa
and
lastly-
and
probably
most
importantly,
this
is
this-
is
an
item
of
good
client
services.
This
is
the
city
and
industry
responding
and
addressing
to
past
challenges
faced
by
citizens
moving
into
new
suburbs.
M
B
D
For
much
madam
chair,
so
my
motion
is
to
amend
the
report
recommendation
so
that
the
recommendation
reads.
The
planning
committee
received
a
report
including
document
one
building:
better
and
smarter
suburbs,
strategic
directions
in
action
plan
and
direct
staff
to
develop
a
multi-year
work
plan
in
consultation
with
suburban
councillors
and
members
of
the
sponsors
group.
D
Does
some
there's
some
interesting
and
potentially
beneficial
pieces
of
information
and
and
recommendations
in
the
background
document?
I'm,
not
sure
to
be
honest,
it.
It
completely
addresses
the
growing
concerns
that
we're
seeing
from
our
new
our
new
communities
and
also
given
that
one
third
about
of
the
OPA
76
lands
have
already
planned
have
already
been
planned.
Excuse
me
and
are
actually
being
built
at
present.
D
We
are
running
out
of
time
quickly
to
start
addressing
some
of
these
concerns
so
that
the
last
phase
of
urban
or
suburban
development
isn't
reduplicated
in
this
next
upcoming
phase,
so
very
interested
to
continue.
This
work
aggressively
before
the
other
CDP's
are
are
approved
so
that
the
this
information
can
be
put
into
that
into
that
process.
Working
with
the
industry
in
the
community.
D
The
one
question
I
do
have
right.
At
the
end,
you
mentioned
working
with
developers
to
get
temporary
parks
on
school
sites
prior
to
optioning.
Would
that
also
include
after
optioning,
because
what
has
happened?
Is
I
school
board's
want
to
buy
the
properties
so
that
other
school
boards
don't
buy
them
and
therefore
they
don't
face
competition
and
we
have
empty
school
sites
that
are
sitting
vacant
for
sometimes
between
five
and
ten
years,
if
not
longer,
because
they
haven't
met
their
provincially
required
numbers
to
justify
the
funding
of
a
new
school.
M
D
Notice
in
construction
of
the
success
right,
so
yes
for
a
period
of
time,
the
developer
still
owns
it,
but
then,
when
they
put
it
on
an
option
to
the
school
board,
the
school
board
only
has
a
certain
number
of
years
to
buy
the
property.
With
that
before
losing
the
option.
Often
they
need
to
buy
the
property
well
in
advance
of
them,
receiving
the
provincial
funding
to
physically
build
the
school
in
Cumberland
Board.
We
have
two
or
three
such
sites
and
there's
no
plan
to
build
the
schools
in
the
future.
D
So
we
have
these
overgrown
properties,
potentially
beautiful
pieces
of
green
space
in
the
decade
in
between,
but
can't
actually
be
used
for
anything
so
with
this
also
electro
actively
going
and
compel,
or
what
we
work
school
boards
to
at
least
pacify
these
pieces
of
land
so
that
they
can
be
used
for
frisbee
and
dog
running
and
all
the
other
stuff
that
you
might
want
to
do
on
it.
In
the
interim,
it's.
E
D
That
one
CDP
or
OPA
is
done
already
for
the
one
of
the
expansion
lands
areas
from
76.
Another
one
is
about
85%
done
and
shortly
coming
to
committee,
the
others
in
the
West
and
South
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I
would
imagine
our
progressing.
When
are
we
going
to
see
some
of
the
fruits
of
this
labor
so
that
that
information
can
be
put
in
and
can
be
used
as
in
those
CDP
s
and
other
and
other
processes?
As
we
plan
these
neighborhoods.
K
D
This
question
is:
are
the
planning
staff
who
actually
review
and
guide
these
items
through
the
process?
Are
they
linked
into
these
policy
changes,
because
if
they
are
not
aware
of
them,
if
they
do
not
agree
with
them,
if
they
don't
know
to
use
them
as
a
basis
for
approval
and
discussion,
then
nothing
will
actually
change
right.
So
before
we
have
approved
policies,
do
the
reviewers
actually
know
the
direction
that
this
committee
and
council
is
wanting
things
to
head
I'm.
K
Sure
I
could
probably
take
that
question
I'm
in
a
new
role
going
forward
and
so
I'll
be
taking
my
policy
work
with
this
project
into
development
review,
so
I'll
be
certain
and
can
guarantee
you
that
those
that
are
reviewing
you
will
have
an
understanding
of
the
policy
direction.
That's
going
forward.
Okay,.
F
You,
madam
chair,
I,
fully
support
what
council
ablai
was
saying.
There
is
significant
concern
that
the
the
suggestions
I
came
forward
in
that
review
do
get
translated
into
any
policies
that
come
out
of
this
one
comment:
I
want
to
have
two
to
their
presentation.
This
is
going
to
be
shared,
it'll,
be
posted
and
so
on,
I'm
gonna
suggest
on
the
page.
It
can
go
the
page
with
the
vision.
F
Simple
editorial
changed
use
a
different
color,
because
those
words
that
we
can't
read
of
the
words
that
we
really
wanted
highlight
it
in
there
correct
so
that
could
get
fixed
I'd
appreciate
it.
The
other
comment
I
have
for
this
is
in
there
you
mentioned
smaller
parks
at
several
locations.
But
what
who
you
are
talking
about?
There
is
the
option
to
go
with
smaller
parks,
correct.
We
are
not
doing
the
way
with
what
we
call
district
or
regional
parks
by
any
means,
it's
just
in
in
a
particular
suburban
site
plan.
F
If
you
will
we're
working
on
using
this
new
vision,
if
the
counselor
wants
to
not
have
big
parks
with
activity-based
parks
in
there
is
such
a
soccer
fields
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
just
wants
to
have
little
Park
apps
at
the
end
of
every
street.
That's
what
you're
going
for
there
there's
an
option
correct.
Yes,.
M
B
Another
option
might
be
those
large
large
sports
fails
that
y'all
need
could
have
a
group
of
developers
who
are
in
the
nearby
neighborhood
that
could
invest
in
land,
maybe
a
different
use
of
land.
For
example,
in
bar
Haven.
We
use
that
we've
built
a
ultimate
field
beside
the
store
beside
the
snow
dome.
That's
very
much
temporary
use
the
temporary
use,
probably
for
10
to
15
years,
but
we've
captured
that
land.
F
Madam
chair
park,
I
have
in
my
area
that
council
Wilkinson
was
a
big
part
of
putting
the
landmass
together,
we're
creating
a
five
kilometer
track
within
that
park
for
racism
and
so
on,
and
so
that
obviously
requires
a
lot
of
land.
Yet
we
have
some
counselors
that
would
like
to
have
a
park
every
five
minutes
from
the
house,
and
so
that
requires
that
we
have
little
Park
pets
with
no
benches
or
just
a
couple
of
trees
and
that's
about
it
and
that's
fine
too,
if
you
know
I'm
looking
at
you
Toby,
that's
fine!
B
I
think
that
there
is
actually
a
desire
for
both
of
those
and
that's
what
we
heard
through
the
consultation
period.
We
didn't
have
as
broad
a
consult
consultation
as
we
will
and
as
we
go
forward,
I
think.
But
when
we
talked
to
people
they
said
we
like
older
parts
of
bar
Haven,
Orleans
cañada,
where
you
actually
have.
B
Those
connectivities
which
are
the
little
park
gets,
which
may
be
very
on
that
cost-effective,
but
a
place,
a
green
space
that
that
is
where
people
can
take
their
grandchildren
where
people
can
go
and
sit
and
read
a
book
etc.
Not
everybody
wants
our
parks
to
be
sports
and
that's
the
really
where
we've
gone.
We've
gone
to
a
massive
district
park
which
encompasses
everything
splash
pad
your
your
your
sports
field
use
your
soccer,
maybe
a
tennis
court,
maybe
a
little
toboggan
Hill
and
all
that's
cramped
into
into
one
spot.
B
F
Designs,
correct,
because
what
we're
talking
about
here,
if
I
understand
this
correctly,
is
the
vision
for
a
future
suburb.
It's
the
whole
area,
it's
not
a
small
couple,
Street
little
block!
What
we're
talking
about
is
the
future
communities
that
will
eventually
get
built
in
New,
Orleans,
kanata
and
bar
Haven.
It's.
B
And
family
Creek,
obviously,
but
in
your
building
on
what
counts
or
bleh
was
saying
you
know,
I,
don't
think.
No
sorry,
I
shouldn't,
say
I,
don't
think.
I
know
that
we're
not
going
to
wait
until
we
have
all
these
pieces
in
place,
for
example,
speaking
with
sue
Murphy
this
week
and
one
of
the
school
boys
has
come
in
asking
for
14
acres
on
strand
her
drive
14
acres
on
standard
Drive
seriously.
No,
you
know
what.
Fortunately,
this
I
think.
One
of
the
challenges
we
have
is
that
we
have
four
boards
in
Ottawa.
B
Okay,
they
don't
have
that
every
place
else.
So
therefore,
you
always
have
four
different
education
bodies
that
are
vying
for
land
and
if
you
look
at
the
Fernbank
lands,
which
is
going
to
be
a
huge
amount
of
the
density
that
we
need
to
achieve
to
sustain
the
urban
boundary,
half
of
that
land
is
for
everything
under
other
than
a
place
where
somebody's
going
to
live
so
that
include
your
stormwater
ponds.
B
And
I
and
and
mr.
Moser
met
with
one
of
our
NPP's
last
week.
This
is
not
the
first
meeting.
We've
had
a
mr.
big
lesson.
Illya
and
I
have
met
with
him
before
there's
a
real
interest
in
doing
something
very
proactive
in
our
city.
That's
going
to
change
the
face
of
those
who
are
proactive
in
Ontario
about
better
use
of
land.
So
when
the
the
for
words
they
put
up
there,
the
design-build
move
and
use
or
use
those
are
the
key
principles.
B
But
if
we
wait
we're
going
to
miss
the
opportunity
of
this
one
school
boy
that
wants
to
close
in
June
right
we're
talking
about
how
many
of
you
know
that
when
you
open
a
school
it
opens
without
a
playground.
A
parent
council
has
to
be
formed
two
years
it
takes
for
them
to
raise
the
money
for
a
play,
material
for
the
children.
We're
building
parks,
let's
happen,
and
there
is
nothing
to
stop
us
I
suppose.
B
What's
the
ministry
last
week,
there's
nothing
to
stop
us
from
having
that
collaboration,
where
our
investment
in
parks
and
playground,
and
that
is
a
benefit
to
the
school
takes
up.
Less
land
happens
faster,
makes
better
use
of
the
taxpayers
dollars
so
well.
We
need
to
actually
move
quickly
on
a
lot
of
fronts.
Those
quick
wins
one,
that's
not
there,
which
you
know.
We've
been
working
on.
Councillor
hubely
and
councillor.
B
F
The
last
question
I
had
first
off
was
the
reference
in
there
to
traffic
calming
measures
as
well
and
again
those
are
going
to
be
options
that
we
can
use.
For
example,
you
know
you
may
want
to
see
more
Complete
Streets
within
the
neighbourhood,
but
protect
your
arterioles
for
better
traffic
flow.
For
example,
it's.
E
Through
the
chair,
that's
correct,
the
point
is
to
make
sure
we
take
a
comprehensive
look
at
a
street
grid
and
at
the
stage
of
the
proper
timing
of
approving
a
plan
of
subdivision,
so
that
we're
not
later
needing
to
come
back
with
City
money
to
put
in
traffic
calming
measures
after
the
fact.
So
we
just
want
to
build
them
in
builders
day
out
great.
C
You,
madam
chair,
just
on
the
better
schools
piece
I
just
wanted
to
deal
briefly
with
an
irritant
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
become
one
in
the
suburbs
as
well
since,
as
of
what
11
months
ago,
my
word
was
declared
to
no
longer
be
a
suburb.
Okay,
the
on
the
the
traffic.
Sorry,
the
drop
off
plans
for
schools,
even
where
you
have
lay-bys
all
right.
C
Some
schools
is,
you
know,
have
decided
to
handle
their
drop-off
plan
by
simply
saying
you
can't
drop
off
anyone
inside
our
property
and
they
just
push
their
responsibility
on
to
the
city
on
the
street,
where
we
actually
don't
have
a
plan.
Okay
and
then
the
reality
is
people
still
drop
off
their
kids
in
the
way,
buys
and
and
in
the
in
parking
areas
that
were
configured
for
that.
C
E
B
And
you
know
that
you're
talking
about
the
lay-bys
or
the
kissing
right,
the
kissing
right,
all
of
the
suburban
schools,
have
got
some
version
of
a
kiss
in
mind.
The
problem
is,
as
the
school
board
has
decreased,
the
amount
of
transportation
so
where
you
used
to
have
30
buses
or
something
now
you're
down
to
two,
the
school
often
decides
that
that
kissing
right
is
now
only
for
those
two
buses,
not
for
all
the
parents
who
now
have
had
in
one
case
of
Saint,
Anders
256
kids
kicked
off
the
bus
and
once
that
time,
so
it's.
C
Completely
unrealistic
to
on
paper
say:
you're,
not
dropping
off
kids
when
every
single
morning,
I
Drive
by
the
BIG's
parents,
complain
and
lots
of
people
are
dropping
off
their
kids
and
there
is
no
other
place
for
them
to
drop
off
their
kids.
So
we
can't
allow
school
boys
to
say
no
drop
offs.
Well,
it's
unrealistic
and
can.
B
You
put
the
picture
back
up
that
has
the
that
shows
the
road
cut
and
that's
smallness,
of
the
road
cut
yeah
there.
So
if
you
think
that
that's
town-ho's,
if
you
think
of
that
as
berrigan's,
that
beragon,
which
is
a
bus
route,
just
a
north
sea
transport
bus
route
directly
on
route
to
to
strand
her
park
and
ride,
it
has
in
one
block
across
from
those
the
high
school
the
with
over
two
thousand
students
and
beside
it
a
public
school
with
over
a
thousand.
B
So
three
thousand
students
now
I
can
tell
you
that
we
have
no
I,
don't
cross
and
gorges
at
one
intersection
to
try
and
manage,
because
you
also
have
the
school
buses
that
are
picking
up
for
other
boards
on
this
street.
The
buses
that
can't
get
through
because
the
parents
are
are
stopping
desperately
even
throwing
the
kids
into
the
middle
of
the
street.
We
get
that
it's
a
big
big
part
of
where
we,
where
we
need
to
go
in
fact.
B
The
police
having
to
come
up
with
the
bylaw
people,
I
mean
in
the
situation
like
that
they're
out
there
every
single
week,
I
know
that
I'm
sure
Rick
you're
seeing
Abele's
coins,
but
we're
really
seeing
it
in
all
those
areas
where
it
is
car-dependent
people
are
going
to
be
driving.
They
accommodate
with
four
kids
are
kicked
off
of
a
bus.
B
C
Of
the
points,
though,
is
that
it's
bad
enough
now,
but
starting
September
when
the
reduce
transportations
in
place,
you
had
schools
where
parents
would
drive
into
the
parking
lot
and
go
in
a
natural
loop
drop
the
kid
off
and
they
come
back
out,
and
you
have
schools
now
talking
about
closing
that
off
and
pushing
it
all
to
the
street
and
if
that
gets
pushed
to
the
street
and
if
it
gets
built
that
way.
So
it's
pushed
to
the
street.
We
have
a
much
more
serious
neighborhood
a
traffic
problem
than
we
ever
had
before.
B
Interest
in
this,
and
that's
one
thing
why
we
struggled
and
that's
what
councillor
blame
of
the
motion,
because
we
didn't
want
it
to
be
just
about
the
parking
and
that
but
the
parking
at
schools
on
streets
when
the
snow,
removal,
etc
etc,
is
a
profound
issue
in
in
the
suburban
areas
and
I
know
you
guys
are
saying
you
don't
have,
but
we're
talking
about
the
lay-by.
It's
better
use
of
it.
B
I
I
I'm
thinking
that
we
have
to
within
the
community
design
plan
in
fact
put
some
of
the
principles
in
that
we
want
this
project
in
order
to
have
them
sooner
than
later,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
is
an
acceptable
way
to
go,
because
certainly
we
have
some
ideas
of
how
to
handle
parking
issues
and
things
like
that.
Yeah,
that's
the
policy,
yet
we
don't
want
to
lose
them.
So
that's
just
a
clarification.
Make
sure
that
can
happen.
I
Also
you
talked
about
that
the
street
grid
and
that's
the
layout,
but
the
grid
has
to
also
take
account
of
all
the
other
things
we're
having
to
do
now.
So
you've
got
all
these
creeks
we're
now
preserving,
which
is
why
we
have
a
lot
of
strip
parks
and
cannabic,
because
we
used
to
preserve
them
still
do.
I
Maybe
a
small
talk
lot
or
something,
but
not
a
large,
nothing
else,
no
playing
fields
and
things
like
that
in
different
places,
so
they're,
more
accessible,
I
think
that's
what
you're
talking
about
a
little
bit
I
think
with
the
small
park
there's
a
little
one
in
Arcadia.
They
just
done
on
the
corner.
It's
the
only
park.
They
got
right
now,
but
it's
a
tiny
little
place
in
the
corner,
but
it
has
some
green
space.
It
has
a
bench
as
a
few
trees
and
things
doesn't
have
a
tot
lot
on
it.
I
E
Correct,
madam
chair,
and
to
the
comment
about
the
straight
lines
of
streets
on
a
grid.
This
is
again
something
that's
mentioned
in
the
in
the
document
as
sort
of
a
general
element.
Obviously,
the
the
most
important
thing
that
came
out
of
the
discussions
with
the
working
group
is
connectivity.
A
grid
doesn't
need
to
be
in
straight
lines
and
a
grid
can
be
at
different
angles
depending
on
the
topography
and,
of
course,
that's
understood,
but
the
connectivity
of
the
street
system
is
what
really
we're
talking
about.
It's.
I
Very
hard
to
do
you
got
a
golf
course
in
the
middle,
which
causes
serious
problems
with
kids
going
to
school,
but
I'll
get
to
that
at
the
time.
I'm
working
on
that
one,
the
insurer
about
the
large
parks
like
when
I
got
Walter
Baker
Park,
that's
90.
Acres
of
land
I
was
able
to
purchase
that
quite
reasonably
at
that
early
time,
which
made
a
huge
playing
field
area,
and
we
did
that
because
so
much
of
Canada
is
wrong.
I
It's
really
hard
to
put
as
a
soccer
field
on
Rock
and
we
need
so
I
think
take
a
look
at
doing
more
of
that.
I
think
there's
a
in
the
East
End.
They
have
a
large
area,
the
Greenbelt,
where
they
have
a
whole
lot
of
soccer
fields.
Some
things
that
wag
is
in
the
green
bill.
Those
kind
of
things-
and
we
have
green
built,
lands
around
working
with
the
NCC
to
have
some
of
those
rather
than
being
in
farmland,
possibly
being
in
playing
field
lands.
Because
then
you
can
concentrate
them.
I
I've
always
thought
we
should
let
the
soccer
club
tried
to
get
it
from
the
NCC
next
to
the
Eagle.
Some
Park
and
I
got
perfect
parking
there
in
the
weekends
and
evenings
and
nobody's
going
to
work
huge
flat
field.
That's
got
some
corn
on
it.
That
could
have
been
a
number
of
soccer
fields.
So
I
don't
know.
If
that's
in
that,
but
and
as
we're
developing
the
higher
densities,
it's
used,
as
you
said,
70%
higher
it's
very
difficult
to
deal
with
that
and
still
have
playing
fields.
E
Madame
sure,
that's
exactly
the
point.
I
think
one
of
the
big
takeaways
here
is
obviously
that
we
want
to
be
land
efficient
and
to
avoid
working
in
silos
or
in
isolation.
So
we
are
talking
about
how
we
can
intelligently
combine
different
things
on
space
so
that
it
achieves
a
number
of
different
goals
and
objectives.
So.
I
Our
community,
the
school
boys,
never
had
money
to
build
the
schools.
We
knew
where
they're
going.
We
actually
got
the
school
board
to
give
us
permission
to
build
a
community
center
designed
to
fit
into
the
future
school
before
the
school
was
built,
and
then
the
school
was
built
attached
to
the
community
center.
So
you
always
had
some
usage
of
it.
I
think
there's
three
done
like
that:
it's
in
a
public
school
they
did
it
in
Glen
Karen
they
did
it.
I
We
did
it
in
the
first
school
in
bridle,
wood
and
I
think
we
need
to
look,
but
during
the
school
boards
of
how
we
can
have
some
flexibility,
providing
community
services
on
school
property
and
the
timing
can
change
they
actually
did
at
preliminary
design
of
the
school.
So
we
could
build
the
community
center
there
and
all
the
playing
fields
and
everything
they
paid
for
by
the
municipality,
because
the
school
park
never
has
have
money
to
do
that.
So
we
have
playing
fields
on
school
board,
property
that
were
paid
for
by
the
municipality
and
some
agreements.
I
That's
why
we
tried
to
put
the
parks
near
the
school,
so
we
could
integrate
those
things.
Sometimes
the
soccer
fields,
half
on
school
property,
have
us
on
city
property.
There's
no
reason.
We
can't
do
that
again
and
I've
found
recently
that
they're
putting
fences
between
schools
and
Parks
stupid
I,
wouldn't
let
them
do
one
I
put
it
they've
had
to
do
something
said:
I
got
them
put
a
little
berm,
because
the
kids
can
walk
over
it,
but
they
there's
our
another
school
where
they're
Spencer's
with
gates
on
it.
I
They
can't
get
into
the
park
unless
they
actually
get
a
it's
a
field
trip.
So
I
think
we
look
at
that
kind
of
flexibility.
If
they
don't
higher
densities,
we
have
the
school
sites
are
getting
smaller
and
we've
got
to
be
able
to
do
some
of
that
type
of
work.
It's
not
everywhere,
maybe,
but
in
some
places
and
the
tour
through
the
traffic
dries
all
of
us
nuts,
but
I
have
a
new
school
that
was
built
and
they
had
a
nice
time.
I
B
I
Look
at
what
I
worked
with
the
city
and
school
board
to
do
some
traffic
situations
on
the
street,
which
is
all
we
had
left,
and
we
now
have
ten
minute
parking
on
the
school
side
before
and
afters
before
school
Thompson
after
no
park,
no
stopping
across
the
road.
Those
aren't
running
a
cause.
I
think
these
are
things
you
have
to
look
at
and
it's
partly
the
traffic
calming.
I
So,
as
we
can
plan
ahead
of
time,
then
people
know
what's
expected:
they
don't
move
in
and
I'm
Sabbath
community
street
is
battling
and
half
the
people
wanted
and
process
friction
among
the
community.
So
I
think
these
are
things
we
need
in
to
try
to
get
some
of
those
into
our
community
design
plans
simply
because
we
need
those
now
and
that's
doing
them
after
the
fact
is
terribly
terribly
difficult
and
very
expensive.
Madam.
K
Chair,
if
I
could
just
add
that
the
councilors
really
pointing
out
some
some
of
the
issues
that
we
have
been
bringing
up
and
we've
been
and
talking
further
with
the
Minister
of
Education
and
the
recent
discussions
that
we've
had
in
going
forward
with
the
meanings
we
wanted
to
undertake
with
the
school
boards.
So
there's
a
really
good
point
and
I
will
certainly
isn't
going
for
the.
A
I
That's
why
I'm
raising
them
now
and
make
sure
they're
out
there,
and
the
last
point
I
wanted
to
mention,
was
about
on
the
dry
ponds.
I,
think
we've
use
those
in
the
past
very
successfully
and
the
it
does
save
having
a
a
lot
of
mosquitoes,
which
is
a
problem
and
B.
It
does
mean
that
you
can
use
the
land
all
year
for
other
purposes
much
of
the
time
and
where
it's
possible
to
do
that,
I,
don't
think
it
has
to
only
be
on
the
in
the
parks.
What
are
you
doing
that?
I
But
one
person
brought
to
me
say
why?
Don't
we
use
and
driveways
having
them
put
on
real
driveway
so
that
water
can
go
down
into
the
driveway
instead
of
running
off
in
areas
where
it's
difficult
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
you're,
using
looking
at
other
techniques
of
handling
drainage
and
runoff
and
things
that
will
actually
reduce
the
need
for
ponds
which
are
both
costly
to
build
and
costly,
to
maintain
and
have
things
that
would
be
a
more
permanent
solution
for
the
drainage
built
right
into
the
each
lot.
Each
piece
of
land
and
me.
B
I
Should
start
doing
that
right
now,
I
think,
there's
no
reason
why
an
existing
subdivision
they
couldn't
be
putting
some
of
those
into
practices
a
good
way
of
seeing
how
well
they
work
as
well.
I,
don't
think
I
waiting
for
those
things
I
think
is
wrong
because
we're
finding
the
Train
is
just
getting
for
quite
a
problem.
I
think.
B
L
Thank
You
chair
I
may
not
be
a
suburban
councillor,
but
I
read
the
action
plan
with
great
interest
and
it's
hugely
important.
If
you
think
that
I
read
somewhere
that
90
percent
of
the
expected
growth
in
our
city
is
happening
outside
the
Greenbelt,
so
I
think
this
type
of
reporting
approach
is
hugely
important.
The
failure
or
success
of
our
city
depends
on
initiatives
like
this,
so
I
take
a
huge
interest
in
it.
L
The
other
reason
I'm
interested
in
it
as
I'm
in
the
midst
of
a
draft
CDP
involving
a
new
subdivision,
which
is
the
old
rock
laverre
base,
which
is
going
to
house
between
five
and
ten
thousand
people.
So
many
of
the
principles
and
ideas
in
this
report
are
relevant
to
me
and
to
residents
of
my
ward
and
along
those
veins.
L
People
wanted
to
be
able
to
have
the
choice,
to
drive
or
walk
or
bike
to
pick
up
a
loaf
of
bread
or
a
bag
of
milk
or
whatever
it
was,
and
so
as
a
result,
Canada
lambs
accompany
the
proponent
in
this
case
was
very
careful
and
from
what
I
can
tell
has
done
an
excellent
job
of
incorporating
kind
of
Main
Street
principles
within
this
larger
community.
I
didn't
see
much
of
that.
In
this
action
plan
there
was
a
very
small
mention
of
local
commercial,
but
no
mention
of
Main
streets
and
I'm
wondering
why
that
is.
L
Is
that
a
reflection
that
there
wasn't
as
much
interest
among
the
people
who
were
consulted
or
counselor
hubli
mentioned
arterioles,
which
are
clearly
critical
for
transportation,
but
as
there
being
any
thought
to
developing
out
of
narrower
kind
of
two-lane
streets
that
people
can
can
walk
to
grab
their
coffee?
That
village
atmosphere
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
seeking
and
again
I
didn't
see
a
lot
of
reference
to
it
in
this
action
plan.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
a
reason
for
that,
if
there
isn't
that
appetite
there.
B
Actually
and
came
up
yesterday,
we
were
starting
to
work
on
the
employment
strategy
and
councilor
egg.
Why
is
one
of
the
sponsors
on
the
trip-
and
he
was
talking
about
that
specifically
and
how,
in
a
more
traditional
labor
like,
for
example,
in
the
suburbs,
the
new
mental
rec
center,
for
example,
will
be
a
hub.
That
would
also
be
a
walk
to
cycle
to
place
where
you'd
get
good
coffee,
not
your
usual
canteen
kind
of
stuff
right,
but
as
far
as
what
we
have
done
to
try
to
achieve
that
has
failed
abysmally.
B
B
It
sounds
good
on
the
street
like
colonnade
Road,
you
would
think
with
all
the
people
living
in
behind
that
there
would
be
an
interest
to
go
and
take
your
dry
cleaning
pick
up
your
coffee,
maybe
a
little
meat
shop
in
that
there
hasn't
been
any
take
up
on
it.
So
it
just
reflects
a
different
lifestyle,
I
think,
and
so
that
may
come
up,
but
it's
more
likely
to
happen
where
weathers
materials
connect
with
or
with
a
very
strong
collector.
B
So,
for
example,
you
have
your
second
cup
on
the
corner
of
strand
hood
and
Green
Bank
right
people
can
walk
to
there.
They
also
can
drive
to
there,
but
they
can
walk
to
there
as
well.
We
just
have
found
that
it
hasn't
been
where
we've
actively
tried
to
do
that.
It
hasn't
been
successful,
so
I'm
sure
it's
going
to
come
up
during
the
conversation,
because
it's
a
fulsome
conversation,
that's
interesting
and
and
you're
going
to
have
the
largest
infill
project
in
the
city
for
sure
at
Rockland,
yeah.
L
I
guess
I
mean
the
one
thing
there
was
a
lot.
There
was
talk
in
terms
of
the
principles
of
having
live-work-play
I
mean
that's
another
feature
of
the
Rockefeller
base
are
going
to
be
a
lot.
The
ideas
to
have
a
lot
of
jobs,
but
again
in
the
actual
public
consultations.
I
heard
a
lot
of
interest
in
the
idea
of
kind
of
strolling
and
you
tend
not
to
stroll
down
a
six-lane
arterial.
You
stroll
down
a
two
or
a
four-lane,
Main
Street,
so
I
guess
the
question
for
that.
The
stagger.
L
L
E
E
So
if
there
is
an
opportunity
through
and
the
work
that
we
do
in
zoning
to
provide
opportunities
and
those
will
be
explored,
but
going
into
new
areas
that
don't
have
established
CDP's,
there
is
definitely
an
ability
to
start
to
look
at
how
all
these
things
can
come
together.
There
have
been
examples
from
members
of
our
building
industry
and
other
municipalities
of
products
that
they
may
want
to
bring
to
Ottawa,
where
there
exists
a
possibility
to
start
with
a
building
that
is
only
residential
at
the
beginning.
E
But
because
of
the
way
it's
shaped,
and
because
of
the
zoning
permissions
that
are
put
in
from
day
one
as
the
subdivision
fills
out
and
as
there
is
a
critical
mass
of
people
that
can
be
customers
to
store
that
location,
then
the
transformation
can
happen
at
the
of
a
key
and
we're
certainly
interested
in
those
options.
And
it's
something
that's
very
much
on
our
minds.
As
we
deal
with
all
this.
L
F
I
may
just
add
to
it
and
perhaps
answer
your
question
around
what
took
place
on
the
discussion
we
reversed
mean,
like
arterioles
on
the
outside
of
the
community,
would
be
you
know,
four-lane
arterioles,
with
inside
the
community
being
what
we
were
referring
to
as
complete
streets,
which
would
fit
your
description
where
you
could
walk
cycle
drive
at
a
slower
pace,
but
we
wanted
to
protect
the
arterioles.
For
you
know
your
70k
roads,
for
example,
so
that
those
that
want
to
go
somewhere
in
a
hurry
in
their
car
will
get
out
on
the
air
cereals.
F
Those
that
want
to
walk
and
cycle
will
be
safer
on
the
inside
streets
at
a
much
lower
speed,
and
that's
where
starts
work
on,
don't
let
traffic
calming
measures
and
like
roundabouts,
and
so
on
that
we
could.
Currently,
we
don't
have
a
miniature
roundabout
design,
that's
approved,
but
we're
trying
to
get
one,
and
that
would
work
very
well
in
communities
such
as
what
you're
describing
okay.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Thank,.
B
Good
and
we
do,
and
it
is
peer,
defamed
and
peers.
The
are
you,
the
president
of
the
chair
of
the
greater
Auto
Home
Builders
Association,
he's
also
a
longtime
brand
planners
senior,
laugh
letter,
or
vice
president,
probably
out
giving
you
the
right
title
for
tartan
homeland
development.
Well,
compare
thanks.
H
How
we
do
is
throw
management,
the
relationship
between
parks
and
schools,
our
industry
in
doing
the
designs,
our
suburbs
and
our
subdivisions
have
always
had
to
address
these,
but
they've
always
been
addressed
in
silos.
Each
are
those
items
of
their
agencies
or
their
departments,
protecting
them,
setting
up
the
regulatory
environments
and
working
in
silos.
So
it
hasn't
been
a
great
appreciation
for
the
relationship
between
all
those
items
and
what
results
through
a
domino
effect
are
represented
in
those
slides.
H
You
saw
earlier
this
slides,
showing
streets
with
no
trees
is
like
slides,
showing
conflicts
of
parking
and
cards
and
driveways
overhanging
onto
roads,
etc,
etc.
So
what
was
needed
was
a
comprehensive
review
of
all
these
items,
which
was
initiated
by
the
city,
and
we
greatly
applaud
and
appreciate
the
fact
that
David
asked
us
to
partner
with
them,
rather
than
doing
it
in
the
context
of
sitting
setting
up
more
regulatory
restrictions.
H
Subdivisions
result
in
into
consequences
one:
either
we
give
up
more
room
so
that
everybody
can
have
their
turf,
which
flies
in
the
face
of
intensification
policies
mandated
inertia
plan
or,
secondly,
we
create
more
expense
for
our
consumers
and
effect
the
portability.
So
the
approach
you're
taking
is
is
one
that
I
think
will
work
quite
well.
We're
looking
forward
to
sitting
in
with
you
working
groups,
one
of
them
of
re-started
and
again
I
thank
staff
and
I.
Thank
the
sponsors
group
for
taking
this
initiative.
B
And
and
I
thank
you
here
and
those
of
you
of
the
representatives
of
the
builders
that
you
participated
from
day
one
in
this.
It's
important
they're,
the
partners.
They
are
the
people
who
have
the
skin
in
the
game.
They
have
the
money
to
do
it.
They've
also
got
a
lot
of
expertise.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
as
councilor
bleh,
has
that
often
he
says
we
need
the
flexibility
of
topography
and
geography
and
often
what
we
have,
because
we've
had
no
choice.
It
is
just
the
way
it
is.
B
The
developer
was
forced
because
of
policy,
etc
to
put
the
same
kind
of
stamp
under
the
sit
on
the
same
size
of
property,
even
though
it
could
have
been
much
better
if
there
had
been
flexibility,
so
I
think
that's
part
of
it
too,
but
recognizing
the
fact
that
we
have
a
role
to
play.
The
developers
have
a
role
to
play
and
how
do
we
make
our
suburban
areas
more
livable?
B
You
know
what,
when,
in
the
last
term,
we
went
through
a
building,
livable
Ottawa,
and
it
was
from
that
really
that
we
came
up
with
building
better
smarter
suburbs
and
that
name
it
was
through
that
process.
Where
we
heard
a
lot
about
what
people
wanted,
we
had
more
people
engaged
than
ever,
but
we
didn't
have
a
fit
for
the
suburbs
so
and
we
have
spent
the
time
on
the
worlds
we
have
spent
the
time
of
infill
1
no
infill
2.
B
You
know
the
commercial
designation
all
of
that
stuff
that
we
really
have
given
attention
to
high
buildings,
low
buildings.
You
know
Main
streets,
what
that
all
looks
like,
but
as
far
as
the
suburban
area,
even
though
it
has
its
included
in
urban
design,
it
never
has
had
the
attention
to
distinction.
I
think
that
makes
it
different
makes
it
unique
and
recognizes
the
lifestyles
of
people
that
have
chosen
to
live
there.
So
we're
going
to
continue
with
a
it's,
a
full
term
work
the
the
one
that
thi,
but
is
the
trenching?
B
K
Madam
chair,
just
that
it
has
been
a
very
interesting
exercise
and
we've
got
all
the
stakeholders
at
the
table,
so
I
think
with
the
collective
minds
going
forward.
We
really
are
gonna,
see,
results
and
I
know.
Counselors
will
be
looking
for
those
results
and
looking
for
those
as
soon
as
possible,
and
certainly
want
to
take
your
points
well
in
terms
of
the
CDP's
that
are
underway,
we
have
been
sharing
our
information
as
we
move,
along
with
staff
that
are
working
on
the
CDP's,
so
these
things
will
be
running
in
parallel.
K
B
B
E
I'm
sure
you're,
referring
to
the
tally
of
intensification
dwelling
units
in
the
past
five
years,
that
need
the
provincial
definition
of
intensification
and
it
just
so
happens
that
bar
Haven
is
the
top
of
the
chart.
In
the
past
five
years
under
the
provincial
definition
of
intensification,
there
has
been
eleven
hundred
and
fourteen
dwelling
units
built
in
your
ward,
and
that
really
opens
our
eyes.
B
E
B
E
We're
almost
at
forty
today
and
that's
you
know
without
county
the
subdivisions
that
have
townhouses,
so
things
have
really
changed
and,
to
put
in
perspective,
I
mean
the
densest
small
lot
singles
in
center
town
are
about
57
units
per
hectare,
but
the
typical
large
lot
singles
that
you'd
see
in
in
older
neighborhoods,
like
the
Golden
Triangle
and
the
Glebe
clocking
at
about
3035.
So
technically
speaking,
I
mean
even
from
that
measure.
E
The
density
of
development
in
the
suburban
areas
has
surpassed
the
traditional
densities
of
single,
detached
dwellings
in
the
older
neighborhoods,
and
that's
remarkable,
what's
been
happening
in
the
older
neighborhoods.
Typically.
Is
that
what
used
to
snow?
What
started
out
as
a
single-family
dwelling
was
divided
up
into
apartments,
and
so
the
density
has
been
evolving
with
that,
but
just
in
terms
of
new
construction,
which
you're
seeing
now
in
the
suburban
areas
is
a
very
advanced
level
of
maturity
in
terms
of
density.
Thank.
B
H
Briefly,
madam
chair
I
found
first
of
all
this
discussion
very
interesting
and
certainly
embrace
the
the
document
and
the
theme
of
design
live,
move
and
use,
and
you
know
I've
never
really
considered
myself.
An
urban
counselor
or
even
a
suburban
counselor
reward
is
right
in
the
middle
of
the
city
and
I've
heard
people
describe
the
ward
as
both
of
those
at
times,
depending
where
you
are
we're
very
South
by
the
airport
and
were
as
north
as
Carling.
H
So
we
have
the
best
of
those
two
but
really
I'm
a
City
of
Ottawa,
counselor
and
I
embrace
and
focus
on
issues
that
affect
the
world
Ward
as
much
as
I.
Do
the
urban
core
as
much
as
I
do
the
sort
of
the
suburb
so
as
as
far
as
what's
before
us
today,
I'm
I
too,
like
councillor
Nussbaum,
are
very
focused
and
appreciate,
and
I
applaud
all
the
work
that
the
councillors,
the
suburban
councillors,
have
invested
thus
far
so
I'm
very
motivated
to
see
this
before
us.
H
They
have
to
park
illegally
park
on
side
streets,
walk
the
kids
across
usually
a
busy
road
to
get
to
the
school.
The
school
has
insufficient
parking
and
insufficient
space
within
the
parking
law,
particularly
in
the
winter.
So
I
don't
want
to
get
into
this
issue
now
either.
Just
to
emphasize
with
you
that
this
is
an
issue
that
we
need
to
to
look
at
together,
a
sort
of
a
bigger
scope
issue
and
try
and
come
up
with
some
solutions.
H
E
The
three
working
groups,
which
will
have
representatives
from
all
departments
that
touch
suburban
development,
will
be
tackling
issues
along
the
way
in
the
process
and
that
we
won't
wait
to
bring
everything
back
years
from
now,
as
mr.
McCreight
and
his
presentation
mentioned,
he
listed
a
number
of
quick
wins
and,
as
you
spoke,
the
joint
utilities
Trench
initiative
is
one
of
them.
So
this
is
an
ongoing
process,
not
one
that's
destination
base,
but
journey
based.
B
Thank
you
very
much
just
in
summary
them
I
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
to
the
staff
and
where
you
are
very
new
on
this
file.
So
I
will
never
thank
in
absentia,
Peter
Giles,
but
certainly
LeAnn,
and
allow
the
the
the
suburban
councillors
that
have
been
very
engaged
in
it
and
and
our
home
building
industry
in
the
City
of
Ottawa.
That
there's
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
we
are
going
to
achieve
some
productive
solutions.
B
New
ideas,
Ottawa
will
be
a
different
place,
I
think
in
in
the
suburban
communities,
it'll
be
a
better
place
and
I
think
I'd
be
a
model
that
other
means
to
be
able
to
use.
So
looking
forward
to
it
and
looking
forward
to
some
big
implementation
of
some
key
wins:
the
dry
ponds
the
trenching
this
year,
certainly
I'm
making
progress
on
the
collaboration
with
the
school
boards,
with
good
building
etc,
which
would
include
civic
spaces.
You
know
that
kind
of
thought
really
thinking
outside
the
box.
So
thank
you.
B
B
L
Very,
very
briefly,
chair
pursuant
to
the
governance
report,
which
asked
us
to
convene
to
discuss
the
future
mandate
of
the
beverage
subcommittee.
We
held
a
session
on
Friday
morning
over
three
hours
which,
as
you
say,
was
very
very
useful.
Thanks
to
all
the
staff
who
were
there,
mr.
Mazzy
and
company
I
felt
like
we
make
great
great
steps
in
terms
of
developing
some
options
for
what
the
committee
might
do
over
this
term
of
Council,
which
will
be
coming
to
the
Planning
Committee
in
due
time.
Thanks
thank.