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From YouTube: Planning Committee – February 24, 2015
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Planning Committee meeting – February 24, 2015 – Audio Stream
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C
D
E
F
B
B
Okay,
we're
gonna
call
the
meeting
to
order
everyone's
ready,
welcome
everybody.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
four
and
five
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
listed
above.
Only
those
who
make
all
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
interior
municipal
board.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
B
B
So
we're
going
to
go
through
the
agenda
and
see
if
there's
anything,
that
we
can
carry
on
consent
and
so
there
for
a
while
the
those
interested
in
the
audience
to
go
back
to
their
daily
business.
We
are
holding
number
one
which
is
a
designation
of
Broadview
public
school.
We
do
have
speakers
number
two.
Is
the
application
to
alter
110
Stanley
Avenue,
a
property
designated
under
part
5
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
located
in
the
Rockville
Park
Heritage
Conservation
District?
Do
we
have
any
speakers
on
that?
G
B
Definitely,
okay,
we'll
take
note
of
that.
So
that's
an
innuendo
but
you're
right,
I
didn't
even
notice
that
okay,
so
application
alter
1:10,
Stanley
Avenue
property
in
the
new
Edinburgh
Heritage
Conservation
District.
Does
that
carry
thank
you
as
amended,
if
I,
if
I
need
to
say
that
the
designation
of
st.
Anne's
rectory
under
part,
four
of
the
internal
parentage
Act?
Does
anyone
want
to
speak
to
that
item?
Oh,
it's
carry.
Thank
you!
The
zoning
bylaw
amendments,
31
80
and
3196
Albion
Road
south
and
a
portion
of
2059
Bank
Street.
B
B
B
Official
plan
amendment
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
for
43
for
45
and
47
McArthur
Avenue.
We
do
have
speakers
so
we'll
hold
that
number
six
is
the
2014
annual
report
pursuant
to
the
building
product.
Does
anyone
want
to
hold
that
item?
Oh,
is
that
carriage
carried?
Thank
you.
Okay,
number.
Seven.
Is
the
settlement
for
Terry
Fox
Drive
school
site
very
happy
to
see
this
before
us
today?
Are
there
any
speakers.
C
B
We
have
no
speakers.
Does
anyone
on
committee
runner
hold?
Can
we
carry
it?
Carry.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
Never
eight
is
the
license
of
occupation
for
stormwater
pond
four.
If
you
remember
this
was
notice
of
motion
in
the
last
the
last
committee
from
councillor
Kadri,
it's
in
his
area,
it's
the
maple
grove
facility
lands.
Does
anyone
over
this
vitamin?
Do
we
have
any
speak
there?
So
Chris
we
have
no
speakers.
Is
it
carrying.
B
C
That's
a
I'll!
Just
read
it
here
that
the
planning
committee
approved
that
council
be
requested
to
waive,
through
as
a
procedure,
to
consider
a
report
at
this
meeting
of
Wednesday.
The
25th
of
February
in
planning
committee
report
number
three
in
order
to
permit
construction
of
a
stormwater
pond
to
commence
to
permit
has
worked
as
much
work
as
possible
to
be
done
before
half
loads
rules
run
into
effect
to
accommodate
the
fall
closings
that
carried.
B
Thank
you,
oh,
and
if
the
repurposing
of
cashel
ooh,
this
was
a
notice
of
motion
last
committee
meeting
from
council
Lipa
and
that
is
to
take
some
money
that
was
set
aside
for
cash,
a
little
parking
payment
originally
for
streetscaping
on
Parkdale
and
since
that's
not
possible
to
move
that
money
to
for
improvements
to
the
wash
park.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
or
want
to
hold
that?
Is
it
Carrie?
Okay?
B
G
J
G
C
L
L
The
property
is
located
adjacent
to
Nepean,
high
school
and
together
they
form
a
large
campus
block
in
the
Highland
Park
neighborhood
at
the
corner
of
broad
view,
Avenue
and
Dovercourt
Avenue,
the
property
the
school
is
a
large
l-shaped
building.
The
portion
of
the
building
that
is
being
looked
at
for
designation
is
at
the
far
north
corner
of
the
site.
L
L
This
is
a
historic
photo
of
the
building.
It
was
constructed
in
1927
after
a
fire
destroyed.
The
earlier
school
on
this
site,
which
was
constructed
in
1916
in
the
this
photo,
is
circa
1933.
So
shortly
after
the
construction
of
the
building,
you
can
see
in
the
background
Nepean
High
School,
which
is
adjacent
to
two
Broadview.
L
This
is
a
photo
of
the
front
facade
of
the
building.
Today,
you
can
see
that
the
front
entrance
has
somewhat
been
altered
and
turned
into
a
window,
but
otherwise
the
building
remains
largely
intact
in
terms
of
its
architectural
style.
It's
an
example
of
the
collegiate
Gothic
style
of
architecture
and
is
characterized
by
the
red
brick
with
stone,
accents
the
symmetrical
facade,
the
flat
roof
and
the
two-story
construction.
L
The
building
has
had
several
additions
since
its
construction
to
accommodate
increased
enrollment
in
the
community.
You
could
see
from
the
aerial
photo.
It
is
a
large
l-shaped
building.
This
is
where
the
additions
all
connect
to
the
original
building,
so
the
South
facade
of
the
building
has
somewhat
been
altered
by
the
addition
of
this
piece
in
1947.
L
This
is
a
North
facade
of
the
building,
which
remains
largely
unchanged,
with
the
exception
of
that
window.
So
if,
if
the
other
additions
were
demolished
in
the
future,
it
could
be,
it
could
be
restored
based
on
the
historic
evidence.
These
are
just
some
photos
of
the
details.
You
can
see
it's
difficult
to
see
with
the
lighting,
but
above
the
front
door.
There
is
a
an
integer
with
the
words
public
school
on
it
all
of
the
cut
stone
detailing
around
the
windows.
The
window
units
themselves
have
been
replaced,
but
the
the
openings
remain
remain.
L
The
process
would
be
that
the
new
cut
school
would
be
constructed
once
it
is
constructed.
The
students
would
move
over
from
the
existing
school
to
the
new
building
and
the
old
building
would
be
demolished.
I've
just
shown
briefly
an
approximate
location
of
the
the
1927
portion
of
the
school
in
red
on
this
site
plan,
so
it
is
proposed
for
replacements
replacement
with
a
surface
parking
lot.
L
L
Secondly,
is
the
provincial
policy
statement
which
states
that
significant
built
heritage,
resources
and
cultural
landscapes
will
be
conserved
and
then,
finally,
which
is
the
piece
of
legislation
that
we're
dealing
with
today,
is
section
29
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
which
gives
Mina's
palate?
Is
the
ability
to
designate
properties
of
cultural
heritage
value
under
part
4
of
the
Act
in
order
to
be
designated,
a
property
must
meet
one
of
the
three
criterion
in
Ontario
regulation,
Oh,
906,
Ontario
regulation,
Oh
906
has
the
following
criteria:
design
physical
value,
associative
on
historical
value
and
contextual
value
and
I'll.
L
The
historic
associative
value
of
Broadview
public
school
is
that
it's
associated
with
the
development
of
public
schools
in
the
peein
township
and
the
development
of
Highland
Park.
It
is
the
only
remaining
school
constructed
in
school,
section
number
two
of
Nepean
Township
in
the
early
20th
century,
and
it
was
designed
by
the
local
architectural
firm
of
Richardson,
a
bro
who
were
well
known
in
Ottawa
and
around
the
Ottawa
Valley
for
the
construction
of
educational
buildings
and
we're
also
the
architects
of
Nepean
High
School,
which
is
next
door.
L
B
M
There
we
are,
my
name
is
Shirley
Siebert.
As
the
chair
said,
and
I'm
chair
of
the
Ottawa
Carleton
District
School
Board.
As
a
public
organization,
the
OCDs
be
recognizes
the
importance
of
preserving
our
both
heritage.
However,
we
are
mindful
of
our
mandate
to
educate
our
students
within
the
context
of
fiscal
realities
within
which
we
must
operate.
M
To
see
what
we
could
do
to
ensure
that
we
serve
the
entire
area
of
Westboro,
global
and
Highland
Park
neighborhoods
into
the
future,
we
carefully
examined
whether
or
not
we
could
use
the
existing
school
building.
We
found
that
we
couldn't
financially
financially
or
functionally
work
it
into
our
plans
for
student
space
and
the
problems
agreed
with
that
and
gave
us
funding
for
a
new
school
when
the
request
to
designate
part
of
Broadview
public
school
as
a
Heritage
Site
was
put
forward.
M
We
indicated
that
we
would
respect
any
decision
to
understand
but
wanted
to
understand
the
built
heritage.
Committee's
rationale
for
the
Dec
designation,
a
position
has
not
changed,
but
we
seek
clarity
on
which
attributes
of
the
building
were
identified
to
support
the
recommendation
for
designation
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
M
When
we
attended
last
week's
built
heritage
subcommittee
meeting,
we
heard
the
recommendation
that
appeared
to
be
based
more
on
our
ownership
of
the
building
and
our
ability
to
maintain
it
rather
than
the
demonstration
of
the
unique
features
or
characteristics
of
the
building.
I
would
like
to
invite
our
OCDs
be
senior
staff,
CFO
Mike
Carson,
to
explain
in
detail
our
concerns
in
order
to
help
shape
your
recommendations
to
the
council.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
N
Thank
You,
chair
I'll,
be
brief.
The
OCD
SB
owes
over
750
hectares
of
real
estate
across
the
city,
a
hundred
and
fifty
buildings.
We
truly
do
understand
our
role
as
a
public
body,
our
role
as
a
custodian
of
these
buildings
and
the
history
that
exists
in
the
history
that
we're
creating
when
we
maintain
these
properties
for
the
benefit
of
all
of
the
people
of
Ottawa
wherever
and
whenever
we
felt
that
it
was
possible
and
prudent.
We've
done
everything
we
can
to
preserve
and
enhance
our
buildings
for
our
use
today
and
for
the
years
to
come.
N
As
our
chair
indicated.
However,
our
first
mandate
is
to
meet
the
needs
of
our
current
and
future
students
in
the
case
of
Broadview
public
school.
We
knew
that
the
facility
required
work.
We
looked
long
and
hard
at
whether
or
not
the
existing
building
could
be
incorporated
into
the
new
construction
and
we
realized
there
was
no
business
case
that
supported
that.
We
also
understood
that
we
needed
to
be
able
to
keep
students
in
the
existing
school
while
new
construction
occurred.
N
As
the
chair
said,
we
attended
at
the
built
heritage,
Advisory
subcommittee
with
open
minds
to
better
understand
the
discussion
of
the
OEL
of
the
tower
the
issues
around
representative
of
unique
examples
of
this
form
of
architecture
and
I
need
to
say
to
you
that
we
are.
While
we
understand
the
issues
that
they're
raised
by
staff,
we
have
what
is
probably
a
better
example
of
the
same
style
of
architecture
by
the
same
architectural
firm
built
by
the
same
Nepean,
School
District,
immediately
to
the
North
Indian
High
School,
so
I
don't
believe
it's
a
unique
situation.
N
Having
said
that,
we
are
here
to
listen.
We
understand
the
city
and
our
commitment
to
this
preservation
discussion,
but
we
wanted
to
clear
up
some
possible
misconceptions,
as
there
was
much
discussion
at
the
previous
committee
meeting
around
future
uses
for
the
building
and
what
the
board
could
do
to
keep
the
building
alive
just
have
to
reiterate,
without
sounding
like
we're
whining.
Unlike
the
federal
provincial
and
municipal
governments,
school
boards
in
Ontario
have
no
ability
to
levy
taxes.
N
Capital
funding
is
granted
100%
by
the
Ministry
of
Education,
as
is
operating,
funding
monies
are
earmarked
for
specific
projects
and
we
have
very
little
latitude
within
that
funding
to
allocate
funding
for
other
purposes.
We
were
provided
capital
funding,
partly
provided
by
this,
the
province,
partly
out
of
our
own
reserves,
from
the
sales
of
other
properties
to
rebuild
782,
proper
pupil
spaces
on
the
Broadview
site.
N
We've
talked
to
the
ministry's
capital
programs
branch
and
we
can
confirm
that
if
a
decision
had
been
made
to
occupy
the
tower
with
students
either
permanently
or
even
temporarily,
the
funding
that
we
would
receive
would
be
reduced
commensurate
with
the
number
of
people
places
that
would
be
in
the
tower.
So
I
can
reiterate
for
you.
The
OCDs
B
has
no
plans
to
use
that
tower
for
pupil.
Accommodation.
I
also
need
to
indicate
to
you
that
leaving
the
structure
in
place
has
its
challenges
for
the
OCDs
B
we've
been
confirmed
to
us
by
the
ministry.
N
No
operational
funds
are
going
to
be
forthcoming
to
renovate
or
maintain
that
tower.
I
know
there
has
been
discussion
of
renovating
this
structure
economically,
but
I
need
to
point
out
the
challenges
given
the
tower
will
have
no
independent,
servicing
or
mechanicals
after
the
demolition
of
the
rest
of
the
building.
It
is
simply
not
achievable
to
renovate
this
building
inexpensively
we
that
we
would
have
to
if
the
building
were
designated
and
we
were
unable
to
demolish
it.
N
We
think
we'd
have
no
choice
but
to
look
to
disposition
either
by
sale
or
buy
lease,
and
neither
of
these
options
are
very
straightforward.
We
have
over
2,000
children
being
served
on
that
city,
block
and
I.
Think
most
of
you
are
aware
of
the
traffic
issues
that
we
face
and
our
goal
in
finding
a
user
for
that
building
would
be
to
try
to
find
one
that
was
compatible
with
the
safety
of
our
kids
and
not
increasing
the
congestion
that
already
exists
there.
N
We
are
surely
willing
to
look
at
innovative
possibilities.
We
know
that
these
partnerships,
though,
are
hard
to
come
by,
especially
when
you're
dealing
with
a
bottom.
That's
a
building.
That's
going
to
require
investment
from
top
to
bottom.
The
OSI
DSB
would
like
to
reaffirm
our
willingness
to
work
with
the
city
to
take
a
look
at
this.
N
However,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
this
building
is
designated,
but
we
need
to
understand
that
what
we
none
of
us
want
is
for
that
building
to
sit
vacant
boarded
up
and
eventually
disappear
to
a
state
where
we
have
to
demolish
it.
So
we'd
like
to
reiterate
what
we
said
to
the
subcommittee,
we
we
wanted
to
hear
more
about
the
unique
attributes
of
the
tower
we've
heard
from
of
that.
Some
of
staff,
if
part
of
the
subcommittee's
rationale,
was
a
belief
that
those
board
would
be
able
to
maintain
that
structure
or
make
use
of
it
itself.
N
Then
I
think
we
need
to
be
able
to
say
to
you.
We
won't
be
able
to
do
that.
I
want
to
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you.
We
value
our
partnership
with
the
city
of
Ottawa
and
we
are
always
willing
to
work
with
you
and
we'll
continue
to
work
with
the
city,
regardless
of
designation
or
not,
as
we
try
to
make
sure
we
can
serve
our
shared
community
and
our
65,000
students
across
the
district
every
single
day.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
E
You,
madam
chair
I,
just
want
to
understand
if
the
financial
implications
on
taxpayers
for
both
decisions,
whether
we
designate
or
not
just
so
it's
clear
in
my
mind,
so
if
we
designated
a
Heritage
Site
and
it,
and
if,
if
it's
used
for
people
spaces,
what
is
the
reduction
in
the
grant
or
the
monies
that
the
province
will
provide
you
to
rebuild
the
school
and
party
would
be
if
we
designate
and
you
don't
use
it
for
any
type
of
education
needs.
What
would
the
ongoing
cost
be
just
to
keep
that
on
the
books?
E
N
Chair
I
want
to
understand
the
question
I
want
to
reiterate:
we
have
no
plans
to
use
that
building
for
student
accommodation.
That
would
require
a
total
redesign
of
the
project
at
this
point
and
the
dollars
just
will
not
make
sense
for
us
the
cost
to
bring
that
up
to
an
acceptable
standard
that
would
meet
our
needs
for
permanent
accommodation,
for
students
is
probably
in
excess
of
five
million
dollars,
and
the
grant
change
would
not
cover
that.
So
that's
one
of
that's
the
first
part
of
it.
N
The
second
piece
is
that,
should
it
be
designated,
the
school
board
has
no
use
for
that
building
the
building
and
without
a
significant
investment
will
not
have
services,
so
we
would
move
to
mothball
it
to
try
to
preserve
its
value,
and
this
is
all
happening,
probably
in
the
summer
of
2017,
once
the
new
school
is
up
and
occupied.
While
we
try
to
identify
a
potential
investor
or
user
of
the
site,
mothballing
costs
can
be
significant
depends
on
the
neighborhood
depends
on
the
damage
that
you
incur.
E
And
just
thank
you
for
the
answer
and
just
to
clarify
the
three
you,
madam
chair,
the
the
Mandate
of
a
school
board
does
not
include
retaining
school
sites
which
are
no
longer
needed
for
education
purposes
for
even
community
purposes.
There
may
be
short
term
needs
that
a
school
board
might
be
able
to
to
help
a
community
yet
within
the
short
term,
but
the
long
term
mandate
of
a
school
board
is
not
to
get
in
the
business
of
community
use
facility.
Is
that
correct
that.
M
Is
absolutely
correct,
councilor,
Barrington
and
I
would
just
add
to
that
that
the
city
has
made
it
very
clear
that
if
we
were
interested
in
using
it
for
pupil
spaces
ourselves,
we
would
lose
30%
of
our
grant
from
the
city
and
they
would
not
provide
the
five
million
dollars
to
upgrade
it.
So
it
certainly
isn't
our
mandate
to
keep
that
building,
because
we
know
we
cannot
afford
to
use
it
ourselves.
Thank
you.
B
F
Thank
you
sure
see
we're
done.
Mr.
Carson
and
I
do
appreciate
the
the
spirits
of
cooperation.
Should
this
building
be
designated,
it
strikes
me
that
one
of
the
most
obvious
courses
would
be
to
dispose
of
the
land
in
order
to
find
a
new
use
for
it
and
in
my
role
as
city
city
councilor
for
this
neighborhood
I
think
I'd
want
to
make
a
significant
contribution
to
ensuring
that
that
happens.
Just
a
couple
of
quick
questions
of
clarification,
I
think
the
first
one
is:
when
would
the
building
be
slowed
for
demolishing
under
the
current
plan?.
N
Chair
I
believe
that
this
part
of
the
building
would
not
be
slated
for
demolition
until
probably
the
summer
of
2017.
We
need
to
get
students
into
the
school.
We
can
begin
some
of
the
interior
demolition
of
the
part
that
is
not
under
discussion,
but
I
think
we'd
want
to.
Although
we
haven't
finalized
that
part
of
the
construction
schedule,
we'd
want
to
do
that
work
when
the
school's,
when
that
both
of
the
schools
are
not
occupied.
So
my
my
estimate
is
beginning
in
that
period
of
May,
June
July
of
2017,
okay,.
F
N
Chair
we
haven't
the
the
we
are,
have
an
obligation
under
the
Education
Act
to
dispose
of
it
at
fair
market
value,
and
all
of
you
around
the
table
are
aware
of
how
those
discussions
progress.
When
you
determine
that
fair
market
value,
we
have
not
begun
those
studies
it
for
us
an
extremely
difficult
situation
because
of
the
the
actual
impact
it
has
on
our
ability
to
operate
that
site
to
serve
2,000
kids.
So
we
have
not
entered
into
those
studies
yet.
O
O
N
Chair
there
will
be
a
slight
savings
because
you're
you're
not
demolishing
immediately
some
of
the
some
of
the
parts
that
are
containing
designated
substances
and
obviously
there's
less
square
footage
that
you're
eliminating
at
this
time.
It
will
create
some
additional
challenges
for
us
in
ongoing
costs
in
terms
of
hoarding
and
making
sure
that
the
rest
of
the
building
remains
safe,
but
there
would
be
some
short-term
savings.
Obviously,
on
that
demolition
contract
we
have
attempted
to
quantify
those.
Yet,
though,.
O
M
Sense
is
that
to
find
a
kind
of
client
that
would
use
the
building
in
a
way
that
kept
2,000
students
safe,
would
be
very,
very
challenging
not
so
much
because
of
the
cost
of
actually
selling
the
building,
but
because
of
the
investment
that
such
a
client
would
have
to
make
to
renovate
the
inside
of
the
building.
It
is
not
a
good
building
site
at
the
present
time
so
based
on
experience.
M
N
The
only
thing
I'd
add
is
our
disposition
of
property
is
governed
by
one
of
the
regulations
to
the
act
and
we
are
required
when
we
declare
a
building
surplus
and
wish
to
dispose
of
it.
The
current
regulation
requires
it
to
circulate
it
to
public
bodies
and
then
there's
a
priority
list
of
who
can
respond.
It
starts
with
public,
with
the
publicly
funded
School
Boards
City
of
Ottawa
is,
if
not
second
on
the
list.
Probably
third
may
be
behind
the
universities
and
colleges.
So
that
would
be
that's
the
formal
part
of
the
process.
N
It's
not
unheard
of
for
us
to
have
some
informal
discussions
ahead
of
time
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
we
are
quite
prepared
designated
or
not.
Obviously,
we
believe
designation
is
not
required
to
begin
having
those
discussions
sooner
rather
than
later,
but
we
we
need
to
make
sure
it's
a
deal
that
works
for
us
as
well
as
everyone
else.
N
Chair
that
would
be
a
difficult
one.
We
you
know
there
is
we
deal
with
the
City
of
Ottawa,
for
example,
and
there
are
pieces
of
property
that
have
no
use
to
anyone,
but
us,
but
the
city
has
a
mandate
to
achieve
fair
market
value.
We'd
have
to
take
a
look
at
it.
Were
there
anytime,
you
establish
fair
market
value,
and
your
staff
will
tell
you
that
there's
all
sorts
of
factors
that
go
into
it
and
sometimes
there's
enough
negative
things
involved
that
it
drives
the
value
down.
So
it's
a
possibility.
C
P
You,
madam
chair
I,
just
feel
like
some
clarification
of
something
that
you
mentioned
in
your
presentation,
perhaps
staff,
but
would
like
to
weigh
in
on
this.
You
you
mentioned
if
I
heard
you
correctly,
that
Nepean
high
school
represents
the
same
style
and
and
from
the
same
firm
but
I
assume,
then
the
PM
high
school
is
in
much
better
condition.
Building
wise
and.
M
N
Chair
I
think
you
know
we.
We
recognize
the
importance
of
that
campus
to
the
neighborhood
into
the
city,
and
it
would
be
good
to
keep
one
example
there
and
if
and
when
the
days
come,
when
we
have
the
dollars
to
do
work
at
Nepean,
if
the
exterior
were
to
be
designated,
the
board
would
certainly
not
be
opposed
to
that.
N
L
Threw
you
mine,
I'm
sure
we
did
consider
in
high
school
as
well,
and
there
is
the
building
is
listed
on
the
Heritage
reference
list
and
it
is
of
interest
to
the
city
from
our
cultural
heritage
value
perspective.
You
will
note
in
the
staff
report
and
in
the
statement
of
reason,
that
I've
referred
to
an
MP
in
high
school
and
the
importance
of
the
two
buildings
together
as
forming
a
campus.
B
F
J
And
members
of
Planning
Committee,
as
you
probably
know,
I'm
vice
president
of
heritage
Ottawa
but
I
also
live
in
the
Park
View
area
and
was
a
parent
of
children
who
each
attended
that
school
for
ten
years
and
a
number
of
other
people
have
been
cooperating
on
what
we've
been
doing
here.
You've
heard
a
lot
of
this
already,
certainly
the
first
four
bullets
I'll
just
say
that
it
really
was
an
important
part
of
the
heritage
of
the
Township
later
city
of
Nepean
up
until
1950
when
it
was
annexed.
Heritage
Ottawa
supports
this
designation.
J
We
don't
object
to
the
demolition
of
the
rest
of
the
school
and
we
have,
for
several
years,
been
cooperating
with
the
parent
group
a
little
better
Broadview
and
with
the
school
board.
In
fact,
we
made
a
presentation
about
this
to
the
school
board
on
the
3rd
of
February
before
it
even
went
to
built
heritage
subcommittee.
You've
seen
this
picture
for
about
the
last
half
hour
also
also,
this
I'll
just
go
quickly
back
to
this
picture
from
the
staff
report
and
just
mentioned
that
the
area
that
we're
talking
about
is
approximately
2%
of
the
Broadview
site.
J
It's
at
the
farthest
corner
from
the
new
school:
it's
immediately
adjacent
to
Nepean
high
school.
In
fact,
there
are
3
floors
of
Nepean
high
school,
which
are
within
less
than
than
10
meters
across
the
laneway,
and
it
occupies
fewer
than
20
parking
spaces,
which
is
in
fact
in
excess
of
the
city
requirements
for
this
site.
According
to
information
that
staff
gave
that
built
heritage
subcommittee,
it's
a
very
small
portion
of
the
current
school.
J
The
rest
of
the
school
has
many
problems
and
we've
never
objected
to
the
demolition
of
the
rest
of
the
school
just
about
the
community.
This
map
from
1915
shows
Highland
Park,
but
also
Mackellar
Park,
which
was
founded
in
1911,
and
the
school
area
in
red,
Nepean
and
and
Broadview
were
placed
right
in
the
heart
of
this
community.
Today,
it's
a
very
walkable
community,
extending
from
Churchill
to
Sherbourne
east
west
and
from
Carling
to
richmond
north/south,
and
it
actually
represents
the
Western
third
of
kitch
asipi
Ward.
J
There
are
strong
historical
links
with
Nepean
high
school.
The
high
school
actually
first
met
for
its
first
year
of
operation
in
the
in
four
of
the
Broadview
classrooms.
It's
right
at
the
main
crossroads
of
the
community
to
over
court
and
and
Broadview
there
aren't
there
hardly
any
blood
for
designations
in
the
area.
Only
the
mezzo,
Jean
d'arc
is
is
really
in
the
in
in
the
area
and
without
talking.
J
Seen
from
the
pictures,
it's
two
stories
with
a
basement
ten
classrooms
all
together,
you've
you've
heard
the
rest
of
you've
heard
most
of
the
rest
of
this
at
the
back
in
the
1927
annex
were
the
the
former
boiler
room,
which
is
empty
space
at
the
moment,
and
two
washrooms
completely
renovated
in
recent
years,
providing
capacity
for
400
people
in
modernized
washrooms
that
do
not
connect
through
the
rest
of
the
school
to
the
to
the
city
services,
at
least
that's
the
understanding.
We
have
you've
heard
a
bit
about
the
cost
of
renovation
and
I.
J
J
The
just
finally
temporary
uses
you've
heard
reasons
why
it
shouldn't
be
used
for
instead
of
the
ten
portable
classrooms,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
if
it
was
the
ten
classrooms
in
this
building
would
be
a
substantially
smaller
footprint
and
were
there
for
free
up
green
space
on
the
rest
of
the
site
and
because
it's
adjacent
to
Nepean
high
school.
The
board
policy,
which
actually
recommends
that
grade
seven
and
eight,
should
be
linked
to
high
schools
rather
than
to
public
schools
could
be
implemented
in
future.
J
If
there
were
a
decision
to
incorporate
this
in
some
way
into
Nepean
itself.
But
those
are
not
what
you're
talking
about
today
now
you're,
basically
dealing
with
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
your
responsibilities
under
the
Ontario
Heritage,
Act
and
I
hope
that
you
will
approve
the
designation
of
this
important
landmark
for
the
reasons
that
you've
been
given
by
city
staff.
Thank
you
thank.
E
J
Understanding
this
is
the
School
Board's
business,
but
our
understanding
is
that
temporary
accommodation
and
any
fix
up
costs
for
temporary
accommodation
do
not
come
out
of
the
same
capital
budget
that
builds
the
rest
of
the
school.
Now
I
can't
give
you
expert
advice
on
that,
but
that
is
what
I've
been
told
by
people
who
do
know.
I
will
tell
you
that
this
whole
area
has
a
real
shortage
of
community
space
in
Collingwood,
which
has
just
passed
the
west
edge
of
the
area.
J
Twelve
spaces
capacities
are
up
to
300
people
in
some
of
the
spaces
in
that
church
for
community
uses,
because
there
are
no
city
facilities
in
the
area
whatsoever.
The
the
city
facility
is
not
actually
owned
by
the
city.
Dovercourt
community
center
Dovercourt
recreation
center
in
this
area,
but
completely
over
overcommitted
Dovercourt,
has
actually
been
injecting
community
organizations
that
have
been
using
it
for
many
years
because
they
are
totally
out
of
space.
So
community
uses
are
possible,
as
I
mentioned.
J
It's
right,
adjacent
to
Nepean,
high
school
and
and
a
physical
linkage
or
just
a
usage
linkage
might
be
possible
at
some
point
in
the
future.
If
it
were
decided
that
grade
7
&
8
should
be
part
of
a
high
school
rather
than
part
of
the
public
school.
But
that's
all
for
the
future,
and
you
did
hear
that
we're
not
talking
about
demolition
of
this
very
small
part
of
the
present
school
until
more
than
two
years
from
now.
Okay
and.
B
That
is
not
before
us
in
any
way,
and
in
fact
there
was
before
in
the
place
it
would
be
for
a
different
committee
and
one
that
does
its
analysis
very
well
across
the
city
of
what
the
needs
are
so
I
under
the
Heritage
Act.
That's
not
something
that
we
normally
ask
staff
to
do
to
take
into
consideration
whether
people,
and
if
it's
a
private
person
or
whether
it
is
in
this
case,
a
school
board
whether
they
have
the
money
to
do
something
to
maintain
it
it
it.
B
It
is
not
something
that
is
part
should
be
part
of
our
consideration.
Having
said
that,
the
and
I
know
councillor
Nussbaum
certainly
has
done
some
work
on
this
as
well.
The
city
has
every
intention
if
this
is
approved,
to
work
to
with
the
school
board,
to
give
it
the
best
leg,
for
whether
its
zoning
needs
or
etc,
to
make
it
a
viable,
a
viable,
a
place
in
the
community,
for
whatever
the
purpose
would
be.
That's
our
intention
and
you
wouldn't
have
any
other
questions
for
mr.
James.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
out.
B
D
I
My
name
is
Sarah
Ryan
I'm,
a
parent
with
three
kids
at
Broadview
and
I
live
blocks
away
and
I
support.
The
Harrises,
designation
and
I
encourage
the
planning
committee
to
vote
in
favor.
Retaining
the
small
village
school
located
adjacent
to
Nepean
high
school
at
the
top
of
the
hill
nestled
in
amongst
the
houses,
is
one
of
the
few
remaining
Harry
carriage
community
use
buildings
and
the
last
of
three
and
elementary
schools
built
by
the
village
of
West
burrow.
I
Here's
a
reminder
among
along
with
Nepean
high
school
among
the
homes
in
the
neighborhood
of
the
neighborhood's
past
in
history.
It
was
designed
by
a
local
architect
who
lived
on
the
street.
The
current
plan
is
demolished,
the
building
in
2016,
which
would
be
the
hundredth
birthday
of
the
original
school
which
broke
down
in
26
on
New
Year's
Eve,
when
the
caretaker
stoped,
the
old
coal
furnace
for
the
night
is
no
surprise.
That
renovating
is
the
renovating.
An
old
building
is
expensive
and
likely
more
expensive
than
building
a
new
building.
I
If
we
cannot
ask
a
public
school
board,
a
large
property
owner
in
the
city
and
keeper
of
many
heritage
buildings
in
the
city,
to
find
the
funds
the
will
and
desire
to
keep
a
heritage
building,
then
how
can
we
ask
private
entities
to
do
the
same?
I
believe
that
this
process
and
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
is
in
place
for
this
very
situation
where
a
landowner
has
gone
ahead
and
planned
to
redevelop
their
property
without
full
and
proper
consideration
of
the
heritage
value
and
then
claim
funding
as
the
issue
through
designation,
I
hope.
I
It
saves
this
neighborhood
landmark
a
handsome
schoolhouse
with
tall
ceilings
and
big
windows
like
the
room,
we're
sitting
in
Niall,
and
it
has
a
real
character
that
remains
an
excellent
structural
condition
that
has
had
fear
renovation
which
keeps
its
original
charm
function
and
use
again.
My
name
is
Sarah
I
live
in
the
neighborhood
and
I
hope
the
planning
committee
votes
in
favor
of
the
heritage
designation.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
You
Sarah,
but
I
just
want
to
clarify
something
before
you
leave
and
because
it's
was
not
fair
and
we
may
perhaps
you
don't
know
this,
but
the
school
board,
the
school
board
and
certainly
the
parents
abroad.
You
worked
very
very
hard,
as
you
know,
who
live
in
the
community
to
get
the
funding
from
the
province
at
no
time
was
this
place
designated
heritage?
It's
was
after
it
was
after
it
just
wanted
to
clarify,
because
it's
not
fair
to
say
that
they
have
a
deep
pockets
or
that
they
should
be
able
to
come
up
with
money.
B
L
B
I
Were
specifically
asked
to
hold
off
on
the
designation
process
for
two
years
until
the
funding
was
in
place,
it
was
always
an
issue
and
it
was
always
put
forward
to
the
Builder
better
by
the
community,
to
school
council
and
to
the
school
board
that
we
were
going
to
ask
for
heritage
designation,
and
we
were
specifically
asked
to
hold
off
and
we
did
so
if
the
designation
process
has
been
delayed.
It
was
that
request
of
the
community,
not
at
the
request
of
the
Heritage
people.
I
It
has
always
been
felt
that
this
was
a
heritage
building
and
that
it
should
be
retained
and
it
was
thought
it
began.
It
would
cause
problems
for
the
funding,
so
it
should
have
been
considered
at
the
beginning
and
it
was,
and
so
now
to
come
forward
and
say
funding
is
in.
The
issue
is
a
little
bit
confusing
to
me.
Other.
B
B
Q
There
has
been
an
unimaginable
eight
additions
to
this
building
that
took
him
all
the
way
through
to
the
back
Street,
and
what
I
found
with
this
element
is
it's.
It's
poured
concrete
construction.
It's
got
tile
between
the
ER
the
floor.
Joists,
the
outside
walls
are
solid
masonry.
There
can
tile
structural
clay
tile.
It
is
an
extremely
solidly
built.
Building.
I
was
quite
amazed.
It's
probably
the
strongest
part
of
the
whole
complex.
Q
The
the
other
additions
from
the
1950s
are
steel
frame,
work,
web
steel,
joist,
all
full
of
asbestos,
fireproofing
and
all
kinds
of
problems.
This
building
predates
all
that.
It's
solidly
built
you
could
park
a
car
on
the
second
floor,
the
original
hot-water
radiators
are
still
in
use
from
the
1920s,
and
it's
true
that
the
mechanical
and
the
electrical
systems
had
been
removed
from
the
building.
Q
They
will
only
take
a
note
in
the
1950s
and
put
in
a
basement
in
another
part
of
the
complex,
and
then
the
steam
line
was
running
a
tunnel
across
the
parking
lot
to
this
building.
But
the
biggest
efficiency
is
that
it's
it's
not
been
properly
balanced.
The
systems
in
this
part
of
the
complex
it
it
actually
would
improve
the
building
to
have
a
mechanical
system
and
electrical
room
placed
back
in
the
original
boiler
room,
but
to
say,
but
it's
structurally,
not
not
that
good
or
something
is
totally
untrue.
This
is
a
solidly
built
building.
Q
It
was
made
to
last
and
it'll,
be
here
for
another
hundred
years.
I
think
is
you
have
the
word
planners
attached
to
your
committee.
I
think.
The
important
thing
that
is
being
lost
here
is
that
there
is
a
streetscape
value
on
Broadview
Avenue.
This
building
established
that
institutional
appearance
of
that
Street,
and
this
would
be
a
terrible
loss
to
demolish
an
element
of
that
streetscape.
Now,
that's
speaking
and
as
an
architect
and
I,
don't
think
that's
bothered
enough.
Q
The
other
interesting
part
of
this
building
is
a
two-story
of
a
basement
and
a
lot
of
negative
things
have
been
said
about
the
classrooms
in
the
basement,
but
this
is
a
very
special
building.
It
has
a
very
shallow
foundation.
They
probably
only
dug
down
three
or
four
feet
all
that
ground.
You
see,
those
terraces
were
all
brought
in
with
topsoil
to
create
that
look,
and
those
basement
windows
are
four
feet
high.
These
are
very
desirable
rooms.
These
were
the
original
shops,
Home
Economics
rooms
in
the
basement.
Q
This
is
a
it's
a
very
useful
building,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
get
this
across
the
this
is
honestly,
it's
in
very
good
condition.
It's
fully
functional
need
to
bring
it
to
fire
code
standards.
They
they
introduced
of
one
our
fire
rated
enclosure
of
both
stairs
it's
operating.
It
just
needs
some
care
Thank.
P
Q
P
Q
To
a
general
contractor
the
other
night
that
I
use
a
lot
of
projects,
he's
done
a
lot
of
these
a
lot
of
the
work
on
bad
view
school
and
he
said,
there's
no
way
you
can
put
a
unit
cost
on
the
the
renovation
on
this
building.
This
is
a
closet
case.
We'd
have
to
break
it
all
down.
If
you
praise
the
furnace,
you
price
the
electrical
system,
replacing
the
doors
at
the
one
end,
it's
a
very
complicated
calculation.
You
can't
go
perc
this
thing,
five
minute:
five,
five
million
is
it's
a
ballpark.
I
B
B
Depending
on
what
the
purpose
is-
and
the
fact
is-
is
that's
not
before
us
today
either,
however,
the
strong
resolve
of
the
planning
department
to
work
if
it
is
designated
if
committee
and
council
do
to
convene
to
designated
the
strong
resolve
is
to
work
with
them
to
one
not
stop
them
in
any
way
to
slow
them
down
in
building
their
new,
their
new
school,
but
it
to
help
with
the
proper
zoning
that
may
be
necessary
in
order
to
get
good
value
for
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
out.
I.
B
G
You
just
thought
I
would
report
briefly
on
the
discussion
before
the
bill.
Harwich
subcommittee,
which
considered
this
item
the
subcommittee
heard
from
a
lot
of
public
delegations
both
for
and
against,
and
you
very
correctly
stated
sure
harder
that
what
the
question
before
the
bill
head
of
subcommittee
similar
the
question
before
the
Planning
Committee,
is
whether
or
not
to
designate
under
Section
29
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
whether
or
not
the
property
meets
the
Ontario
regulation.
G
Oh
906
criteria,
the
physical
value,
the
historical
value
and
the
contextual
value
and
I
think
miss
Collins
did
an
excellent
job
of
providing
staffs
advice
on
why
this
this
building
does
meet
the
designation.
That
said,
there's
no
question
that
there
is
a
human
element
to
this
and
I
think
it
is
important
to
note
a
few
things
that
came
out
of
the
discussion,
because
I
know
that
that
colleagues
are
also
it's
hard
to
separate
the
question
before
us
from
some
of
the
more
as
I
say,
human
elements.
G
One
is
that
the
designation
is
for
the
exterior
only
so
nothing
stops
either
the
current
or
future
owner
from
completely
changing
or
gutting.
The
interior
of
that
building
second
thing
is
planning.
Staff
have
been
very
clear
that
if
they're,
if
there
is
a
designation
and
there
is
a
need
for
an
amended
site
plan-
that
the
delay
would
be
weeks
and
not
months
or
years
so
planning
staff
have
indicated
a
willingness
to
work
with
the
school
board
on
a
revised
site
plan,
and
it
should
be
noted,
as
you
saw
on
the
drawings,
that
the
building
occupies.
G
What
is
now
scheduled
to
be
a
parking
lot.
Planning
staff
have
said
that
there
are
21
too
many
parking
spots
for
what
is
required
for
that
site.
So
it's
clear
that
a
smaller
parking
lot
and
not
play
space
for
for
children.
Excuse
me
for
children
would
be
the
consequence
of
keeping
the
building
fifth,
that
there
was
no
cost
increase
in
the
new
school
construction.
I
think
that's
important,
because
I
know
that
parents
were
worried
about
whether
this
would
cause
some
siphoning
off
of
the
capital
funds
which
were
made
available
to
the
new
school
and
six.
G
And
this
is
my
last
point
that
under
neither
option
would
children
be
housed
in
the
original
school
and
I
think
that
was
very
important
for
the
parents
who
were
here
during
the
build
heritage
conversation.
It
was
important
for
them
to
hear
that,
so
that
just
gives
you
a
bit
of
a
flavor
of
the
human
dimension
of
the
conversation
but,
as
you
said,
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
recommended
unanimously
to
designate
the
property
Thank
You
Jay.
Thank.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
yeah,
I.
Think
the
the
only
question
before
us
is
whether
on
planning
principles
and
heritage
principles,
this
designation
should
happen
all
of
the
I
guess.
95%
of
what's
gone
on
here
today
has
been
discussing
the
plight
of
the
property
owner
which
I'd
like
to
see
at
other
heritage
discussions.
Well,
it
doesn't
happen
because
we
always
focus
on
the
question.
That's
in
front
of
us,
so
you
look
at
the
question
as
in
front
of
us
and
the
only
evidence
entered
into
it
today.
All
points
to
approving
the
recommendation.
B
F
Miss
Collins
through
through
the
chair,
one
of
the
things
that
we
hear
in
heritage
designation
discussions
is
often
there
are
other
examples
of
this
building.
Why
save
this
one?
When
there
are
others?
Is
there
any
indication
in
the
act
that
it's
intended
to
stand
to
protect?
The
last
example
standing
I
mean
what
is
the
thinking
in
the
heritage
community
of
preservation
of
culturally
and
architectural
II
significant
buildings
when
our
multiple
examples.
L
Through
you,
madam
chair,
that
is
a
question
that
frequently
comes
up
and
to
answer
it
we
look
to
Ontario
regulation.
Oh
nine,
oh
six,
which
is
at
page
24
the
staff
report.
It
lays
out
the
criteria
that
we
use
to
designate
buildings.
It
does
look
at
things
like.
Is
it
a
rare,
unique
example?
Or
it
also
looks
at
things
that
is
it
a
representative
example?
So
the
goal
the
goal
the
Heritage
Program
in
the
city
is
to
tell
the
story
of
Ottawa
through
its
buildings.
L
We
can't
tell
the
story
of
the
history
of
the
school
board
and
Nepean
through
a
school
in
center
town.
It
doesn't
tell
the
same
story,
so
we
are
looking
to
conserve
buildings
representative
examples
of
buildings
throughout
the
city.
So
we
look
at
geographic
area.
We
look
at
different
architects.
We
look
at
different
histories,
so
the
historical
value
here
is
different
than
the
historical
value
of
another
school
and
the
city
built
around
the
same
time.
The
the
design
value
may
be
the
same.
People
say
oh
well,
canopy
and
high
school
is
collegiate
gothic,
it's
next
door.
L
Yeah
it
is,
but
the
design
value
is
not
the
only
thing
that
we
look
at.
So
we
are
looking
at
the
contextual
value,
the
landmark
value
of
this
as
a
complex
as
an
educational
complex.
So
to
answer
your
question,
no,
the
thinking
is
not
we
designate
the
best,
the
only
the
most
wonderful
the
last
remaining,
but
it
is
to
designate
a
wide
variety
and
a
representative
sample
throughout
the
city.
F
F
It's
important
that
when
we
have
the
opportunity
to
preserve
some
of
that,
especially
in
a
neighborhood
that
is
changing
as
quickly
as
it
is
that
we
take
advantage
of
the
opportunity
to
do
so
so
I
will
be
supporting
staff
recommendation
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
how
the
vote
turns
out.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
Thank.
C
Very
much
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
ensuring
planning
staff
work
with
either
for
accelerating
the
site
plan
or
zoning
options.
I
think
I
have
open
planning
files
in
my
ward
alone
and
my
experience
isn't
that
there's
a
lots
of
extra
planning
staff
in
time.
So
how
are
you
accommodate
that
additional
vigor
mr.
Moser.
O
Through
you,
madam
chair
council,
a
we
received
the
site
plan
application
about
two
weeks
ago
on
January
28th.
It
is
in
circulation.
It's
obviously
gand
a
heightened
profile
based
on
what's
come
before
the
two
committees.
I
can
assure
you
that
we
will
process
it
as
efficiently
and
as
effectively
as
possible,
including
any
changes
that
might
be
required
come
out
of.
Should
your
comedian
counsel.
C
This
is
giant
building
there
now
right
or
there
there
will
be
if
we
accept
the
approval
today.
So
clearly
the
site
plan
will
need
to
change
to
accommodate
the
giant
building.
That's
not
anticipated
so
I'm
I
guess
my
point
is
or
my
question
is:
there
will
be
not
staff
redirected
from
other
areas
of
review
to
ensure
that
this
meets
the
timelines
that
were
already
committed
to
with
the
original
application
submission
not
through.
O
O
Through
you,
madam,
show
the
zoning
for
the
site.
Now
it's
a
school
sites
of
the
zones
institutional
should
in
the
future.
The
school
board
wish
to
divest
itself
of
this
property
sell
it.
I
would
think
that
they
would
go
through
a
process
of
consent
to
sever
and
require
probably
a
rezoning
in
this
case
to
change
the
use
two
or
four.
This
way
the
new
purchaser
might
want
to
have
a
use.
That's
beyond
what
the
institutional
use
provides.
Perfect.
C
E
You,
madam
chair
I,
I,
want
to
take
us
back
to
what
a
designation
will
actually
do
to
the
tower.
Just
so,
it's
clear
in
my
mind,
I'm
still
fairly
new
around
here.
What
does
a
designation
do
to
a
building
over
the
long
term
with
respect
to
the
impact
on
the
need
for
renovations,
physical
work?
Even
demolition
is
demolition
just
totally
off
the
table
when
we
designate
it
with
this
heritage
value.
What
is
the
exact
impact.
L
3,
madam
chair
council
Washington.
If
the
building
is
designated,
if
the
school
board
wanted
to
demolish
the
building
in
two
years
and
ten
years
and
or
somebody
else
wants
to
demolish
the
building
in
the
future,
there
is
an
application
process
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
where
the
owner
can
apply
to
come
forward
for
debt
for
demolition.
So
potentially,
if
the
building
is
designated
today
and
in
five
years
we're
seeing
it
sitting
there
boarded
up
and
there's
no
new
use
for
it,
and
somebody
wants
to
come
in
and
apply
for
demolition.
L
E
So,
just
along
those
lines,
I,
just
if
someone
were
to
retain
this
site
that
the
tower
itself
and
wanted
to
build
some
physical
structure
around
the
tower,
they
would
have
to
maintain
the
exterior
brickwork
the
exterior
structure
of
the
current
tower,
but
they
could
do
whatever
they
want
on
the
inside.
Is
that
correct.
L
That's
correct
document:
six
of
the
staff
report
is
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
and
that's
like
a
one-page
document
that
would
be
appended
to
the
designation
by
law
and
that
outlines
specifically
what
would
be
included
in
the
designated
portion
of
the
building.
It
specifically
excludes
the
exterior
and
it
excludes
all
the
new
additions.
So
anybody
who
wanted
to
adapt
the
building
for
a
new
use
residential
community
use
whatever
could
completely
renovate
the
interior
of
the
building.
E
You
just
confirm
Adam
share
through
staff
or
the
chair
of
the
built
heritage
subcommittee.
If
the
criteria
that
were
used
to
formulate
their
recommendation
to
Planning
Committee
were
exclusively
set
out
in
the
Ontario
regulations:
zero,
nine,
zero
six
or
where
there
other
criteria
used
to
come
up
with
their
recommendation.
L
E
B
B
Has
to
be
an
application
first
that
comes
forward
for
the
designation,
and
you
know
we
do
have
a
register
which
counselor
this
one
can
speak
to
how
that's
going
to
be
cleaned
up
as
part
of
the
work
plan
over
this
term
of
counsel.
Having
said
that,
however,
we
have
what
we
have
before
us
today.
I
know
it
does
speak
to
that
and
the
fact
that
those
two
did
come
down.
We
can't
I
can't
speak
to
that.
E
Just
like
to
repeat
my
concerns
of
what
the
impact
will
be
on
the
taxpayer,
if
we
retain
a
tower
that
has
no
heat
water
or
light
that
will
be
boarded
up,
they'll
be
very
difficult
and
I
know
we're
not
debating
what
the
the
potential
uses
for
the
site.
It's
going
to
be
very
hard
to
use
the
site
for
anything
other
than
a
long-term
home
for
squirrels
and
sparrows,
because
that's
what
it
will
be
a
site.
E
That's
boarded
up
with
no
heat,
and
you
can't
do
that
so
I'm
very
concerned
about
setting
an
unrealistic
expectation
in
the
community
when
we
say
we're
going
to
designate
a
heritage
value
I
think
the
site's
beautiful
I
would
love
to
see
a
plan
for
this,
that
that
is
my
goal
as
well.
But
when
we
look
at
what
is
lacking
on
the
interior
of
those
basic
utilities,
who
is
going
to
take
this
over
again?
Not
for
us
to
answer
today?
E
I'm
just
saying
we
can
designate
all
we
wish
and
have
this
expectation
set
in
the
community
that
it's
going
to
be
retained
and
someone's
going
to
take
it
over.
It's
not
the
school
board's
mandate.
They
are
not
going
to
use
this
for
pupil
needs,
so
they're
gonna
dispose
of
it.
I
can't
see
them
wanting
to
retain
that,
but
no
one's
gonna
come
forward
and
take
that
on
at
least
I
think
it's
unlikely
that
that's
gonna
be
the
case.
So
we
can
designate
this
today.
B
H
H
H
B
R
B
B
You've
heard
the
concerns
of
most
of
my
colleagues
that
were
outside
of
what
we
had
before
us
today,
but
rest
assured.
That
is
our
commitment
to
you
that
we
will
work
with
you
on
on
the
future
of
the
designation.
Should
it
pass
City
Council,
as
you
said,
as
you
said,
we're
not
going
to
mr.
Carson
it's
a
2017
before
there
would
be.
B
You
know,
you'll
be
looking
at
if
you
would
have
been
looking
at
doing
this
demolition.
It
gives
us
the
time
and
I
know
that
the
counselor
for
the
area
is
going
to
be
keen
to
make
sure
that
he's
he's.
Looking
at
working
with
you
as
well,
and
mr.
Moser
has
said
to
me
personally
that
they
will
do
their
part
to
make
sure
that
opportunities
as
they
make
themselves
available
will
be
you'll,
be
helped
in
that
area.
So
thank
you
very
much
everyone
for
coming
out
on
this
item.
B
C
To
put
up
before
us,
yes,
we're
just
getting
the
slideshow
prepared
before
us.
We
have
an
official
plan
and
zoning
amendment
that
applies
to
443
through
447
McArthur.
The
application
is
to
amend
the
city's
Official
Plan
and
zoning
bylaw
and
specifically
with
regard
to
our
traditional
Main
Street
Official
Plan
policy
and
zoning
desk,
miss
Nisha
2%.
B
Last
design,
when
you
change
your
hair
color,
they
welcome
back
so
Kerstin
is
before
us
today
and
just
because
and
obviously
I
even
know
who
she
is,
but
I
can't
even
tell
from
the
distance.
So
I
think
that,
in
order
that
we
you
get
to
know
the
planners
in
your
neck
of
the
woods,
but
I
think
that
it's
really
helpful
for
us
to
know
those
from
other
places
as
well.
So
you
can
put
a
face
to
a
name
so
welcome
today.
Yes,.
S
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
name
is
Kirsten
the
time
the
file
leader
for
the
two
applications
were
considering
today,
443
through
to
447
McArthur.
So
infront
of
us
who
just
have
a
location
map
outlined
in
red,
is
the
site.
It
consists
of
three
smaller
properties
that
have
been
consolidated
into
one
through
ownership.
As
you
can
see,
it
is
west
of
Salem
Beauregard,
approximately
175
metres,
just
to
give
some
context.
The
three
surrounding
properties
outlined
in
yellow
are
owned
by
the
same
property
and
are
currently
the
site
of
the
bel-air
Lexus
Toyota
dealerships
and
showrooms.
S
Just
a
brief,
I
guess
pictures
of
the
site.
This
is
the
site.
It's
currently
used
for
a
surface
parking
associated
with
the
surrounding
dealerships
and
then
just
moving
around
can
see
the
existing
buildings,
the
toyota
dealership
across
the
street
and
then
key
corner
to
the
subject
property.
And
then
this
is
a
cross
on
the
west
side
of
Main
Street,
the
Lexus
dealership,
so
the
site
is
designated
in
the
Official.
Plan
is
a
traditional
Main
Street
traditional
Main
streets
are
identified
and
targeted,
as
is
for
intensification
policy.
S
So,
pursuant
to
the
TM
designation,
this
site
is
zoned
for
traditional
Main
Street.
The
traditional
Main
Street
zone
accommodates
a
wide
range
of
uses,
retail
commercial
office,
as
well
as
residential
and
institutional.
It
does
exclude
auto
eat
related
uses,
including
service
stations.
It
is
intended
to
promote
compact
mixed-use
development
and
to
ensure
street
continuity
and
compatible
development.
S
The
develop
proposal
that
was
the
subject
of
the
two
applications
today
is
for
an
automobile
service
station
limited
to
servicing
only
so
it
would
not
include
any
retailing
of
Motor,
Vehicles
or
fuel
or
any
other
automobile
related
products,
and,
along
with
that
develop
proposal,
we
have
four
outdoor
parking
spaces.
The
building
itself
will
have
obviously
service
bays
offices,
a
mezzanine
and
then
underground
parking.
So
just
to
show
you
what
that
would
look
like.
S
That
would
be
used
to
access
underground
parking,
and
these
are
renderings
provided
by
the
applicant
to
show
what
it
would
look
like.
The
top
picture
shows
what
its
proposed
to
look
like
along
McArthur
Avenue.
As
you
can
see,
it's
a
solid
facade
of
glass
with
no
front
door.
The
access
is
to
be
proposed
off
the
side
facing
Main
Street.
You
can
see
the
service
bay
doors
as
well
as
a
pedestrian
door
as
well.
S
So
the
applicant
has
requested
amendments,
the
official
plan,
as
it
does
not
permit
this
type
of
use.
They
have
requested
an
exception
for
the
site
specific
for
a
site,
specific
exception
to
this
policy
and
then
in
line
with
their
request
to
amend
the
opie
they've
requested
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
to
permit
this
type
of
use
on
the
site,
as
well
as
for
a
site-specific
performance
standards
for
landscaping.
The
location
of
the
front
door
as
well
as
parking
and
staffs
recommendation.
S
Department
recommendation
is
that
the
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
are
be
refused
to
permit
this
use
the
Official
Plan
tradition,
Main
Street
calls
for
pedestrian
oriented
in
transit,
friendly
environment
and
for
the
streetscape
to
evolve
into
that
planned
function
over
time
so
and
the
overall
automobile
service
station
is
not
consistent
with
this
plan
function
for
teams,
and
so
our
conclusion
is
that
it
be
refused.
So
from
that,
we
welcome
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
Thank
you.
P
P
O
Through
you,
madam
chair
councillor,
Haley
it's.
This
is
not
a
new
designation
that
applies
to
the
street.
In
fact,
it's
been
that
traditional
Main
Street
for
longer
than
a
decade.
The
old
plan
had
it
as
a
traditional
Main
Street
in
2005,
and
the
new
plan
kept
that
designation.
So
it
is
not
that
this
applicant
was
surprised
by
a
new
designation.
It
always
has
been
this
designation.
O
O
There
was
a
rezoning
that
permitted
the
expansion
of
the
auto
related
uses
on
the
northwest
corner
of
McArthur
in
May
I
believe
was
2006.
I
can't
speak
to
the
details
of
the
debate
that
occurred
at
that
time.
All
I
can
say
is
that
it
in
a
designation
is
traditional,
Main
Street,
then
or
now.
This
type
of
use
is
not
permitted
in
that
designation
and
requires
an
OPA
I.
O
H
Okay,
just
to
get
some
perspective
here,
can
you
outline
what
was
on
this
property
before
the
properties
were
assembled
by
the
owner,
because
that,
first
of
all
one
point
out
the
owner
is
not
no
major
developer.
The
owner
is
the
owner
of
a
business,
probably
isn't
really
wrapped
in
following
our
changing
planning
policies
from
year
to
year.
But
can
you
outline
what
was
on
that
property
and
what
the
community
concerns
were
at
the
time.
S
Do
you,
madam
chair,
the
three
properties?
I?
Guess
a
assembly
ownership
over
time,
starting
with
the
most
easternmost
property?
Well
actually
have
three
properties
at
one
time
did
have
old
houses
that
have
been
converted
to
commercial
uses
and
over
time
the
property
owner
has
been
purchasing
these
properties
and
demolishing
the
existing
building.
Most
recently
I
believe
the
latest
one,
which
is
the
corner
property,
was
in
2010,
so
I
cannot
speak
to
any
community
concerns
at
that
time.
O
B
Weren't
here
for
one
thing
but
I,
you
know
at
council
shirelle,
we
may
have
the
only
ones.
I
think
that
were
here
when
this
first
started,
but
I
think
that
if
I
recall
correctly,
there
was
a
issue
in
the
neighborhood,
with
the
traffic
associated
with
some
of
the
businesses
that
encouraged
the
local
councillor
to
go
to
the
owner
to
suggest
that
maybe
he'd
start
looking
at.
Would
he
be
interested
in
helping
them
out
with
possibly.
B
And
we
were
flies
on
the
wall,
but
that's
that's
how
it
won't
happen,
but
that's
before
us
today
is
a
brand
new
brand
name
entered
official
plan.
We
put
the
zoning
into
place.
That's
why
staff
are
sticking
with
the
certainty
that
what
that
means
and
that's
why
they've
come
up
with
the
recommendation
that
they
have
today.
Okay,.
H
O
Through
you,
madam
chair,
on
this
stretch
of
MacArthur,
we
have
had
one
or
two
confidential
pre
consultation
meetings
with
potential
applicants
in
terms
of
one
or
two
of
the
properties
on
the
street,
but
you're
right.
The
street
is
slow
to
change
over
to
a
fully
realized
traditional
Main
Street,
but
right
now,
I
count
62
permitted
uses
that
are
allowed
under
the
traditional
Main
Street
zoning
for
these
properties.
O
One!
That's
not
on
that
list.
Is
this
auto
related
uses,
and
so
what
we
would
like
to
see
long
term
is
the
rehabilitation
of
streets
like
this,
so
that
they
become
more
pedestrian
friendly.
They
have
a
finer
grain
to
them,
there's
not
as
wide
rights
of
ways
they're
more
neighborly
in
terms
of
their
context.
Granted
there
is
this
dealership
on
three
corners.
That
doesn't
mean
it's
appropriate
to
just
make
it
on
four
corners
long
term
to
turn
the
street
into
traditional
meister.
But
so
my
next
question.
H
Is
the
the
kickstart
or
catalyst
for
new
construction
on
a
street?
Don't
you
think,
that's
often
when
you
get
something
that
is
like
a
gateway,
that's
like
one
new
development,
so
you
get
that
last
corner
under
this
type
of
development.
Isn't
it
going
to
be
more
appealing
to
people
who
are
looking
at
MacArthur
to
relocate
to
MacArthur.
O
Through
you,
madam
chair
I,
think
allowing
an
auto
related
use
like
this
is
not
a
neighborhood
related
use.
It
draws
in
people
by
way
of
auto,
it
doesn't
necessarily
fully
serve
the
local
neighborhood
like
a
butcher
shop
would
or
a
restaurant
or
a
hardware
store.
Is
it's
a
different
type
of
use
and
appropriately?
So
the
city
has
said
that
these
type
of
users
should
be
on
arterial
Main
streets,
not
traditional
Main
streets.
B
C
O
Through
you,
madam
chair,
when
I
referred
to
the
long-term
plan
mission
for
the
street,
it
wasn't
related
to
capital
planning
on
behalf
of
the
city.
It
was
related
to
councils,
approved
official
plan
policy
and
zoning
that
sees
on
this
street
in
the
long
term
that
it
turns
into
a
traditional
Main.
Street
and
I
can't
predict
for
you
how
long
it
will
take
for
properties
to
redevelop.
O
C
O
Through
you,
madam
chair,
no
those
two
uses
you
refer
to
I,
don't
believe,
are
permitted
to
the
type
of
uses
that
would
be
permitted
are
the
ones
that
you
would
normally
see
on
a
traditional
Main
Street,
such
as
a
bank
or
a
community
center,
a
daycare,
an
office
mix
juices
like
converted,
dwelling
or
bed-and-breakfast.
It's
a
variety
of
the
standard,
any.
C
O
C
C
C
B
K
Well,
madam
chair
members
of
committee,
my
name
is
bill.
Holzman,
the
planning
consultant
part
of
the
development
team
of
professionals
that
were
engaged
by
Bel
Air
Group
accompanies
the
president,
is
Michelle
Perrin
he's
here
now:
I'm
gonna
rearrange
my
I'm
gonna
be
five
minutes,
but
I'm
gonna
rearrange
because
I
think
it's
very
important
to
answer.
One
of
the
members
comments
about
2007,
because
that's
very,
very
important,
I'm
gonna
read
very
very
briefly
from
the
staff
report
in
2007.
When
the
northwest
corner
there
was
an
old
service
repair
and
automobiles.
K
Okay,
there
we
go
so
the
northwest
corner
is
the
site
that
we
were
was
referred
to
in
2000.
A
very
important
this
family
has
been
in
business,
had
properties
here
since
1970
for
40
years
they
sell
cutters,
they
repair
cars,
they're,
not
planning
consultants.
However,
back
in
2007,
under
an
official
plan
that
had
a
designation
of
traditional
Main
Street,
they
were
wanting
to
expand
and
to
modernize
that
Lexus
dealership.
This
is
very
important
because
the
the
site
had
on
its
two-thirds
an
existing
service,
repair
and
car
dealership.
However,
it
was
not
properly
zoned.
K
Okay,
they
wanted
to
add
to
it.
Staff
acknowledged
that
they
would
then
bring
it
into
conforming
zoning
and
add
another
piece.
The
official
plan
clearly
said
at
that
point
and
I'm,
quoting
from
the
2007
staff
report
policy.
Three
six
three
six
outlines
that
existing
gas-powered
service
stations,
oughta
move
the
sales
and
drive-through
can
traditional
measures
that
are
permitted
under
the
zoning
existing
of
the
date
of
the
adoption
would
be
permitted
to
continue
so
right
away.
It
didn't,
however,
staff
did
not
recommend
at
that
time
an
OPA.
They
suggest
a
rezoning.
K
My
clients
were
very
thankful
for
that
and
they
appreciate
it,
but
that
would
lead
them
to
say
thank
we
welcome
in
this
neighborhood,
so
that
was
the
genesis
for
the
approval
of
2007
and
I.
Should
tell
you
too,
that
the
staff
report
rightly
so
highlighted
the
urban
design
elements
of
that
project?
2007,
you
saw
a
photograph
if
you're
an
award-winning
building
with
glazing
and
all
these
things,
that's
the
strong
reason
relied
upon
the
urban
design
flash
for
a
fast
forward
to
today.
It's
the
same
thing.
It's
essentially
the
same
thing.
K
They
also
in
two
years
ago
were
permitted
an
expansion
to
the
Bel
Air
Toyota
on
the
southwest
corner.
Now
they
had
the
zoning,
but
again
city
cooperates
and
they're,
very
thankful
for
that
they're,
just
carrying
on
with
a
vision
they've
had
for
40
41
years
now
to
complete
the
picture.
So
you've
heard
a
number
of
other
things
which
I
won't
repeat
in
terms
of
went
on
so
I'll
just
go
back.
The
staff
report
actually
I
believe,
is
very
fair.
In
fact,
I
think
it's
very
helpful
to
our
case.
For
these
five
reasons.
K
First
of
all,
so
I'm
not
go
into
that.
It's
a
limited
service
station,
a
service
station
has
a
connotation
of
you,
know
all
sorts
of
other
things.
No,
it's
very
limited
to
the
one
idea
in
behind
a
curtain
wall,
but
the
staff
report
helps
us
I
believe
very
strongly
in
five
cases.
First
of
all,
it
states
clearly
that
this
use
would
be
compatible,
especially
because
of
the
three
surrounding
corners.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
really
appreciate
that.
K
Second,
it
also
says,
through
their
report
and
the
attached
from
the
communitisation
that
they
built
very
strong
relationship
with
their
neighbors
over
the
course
of
time.
You
heard
an
incident
or
a
couple
incidents
about
how
they
acquire
these
properties.
The
BIA,
the
Community
Association,
is
very
complementary
to
their
activities
that
have
been
going
on
in
our
fixture
of
MacArthur
for
over
40
years.
Third,
the
staff
report
acknowledges
the
proposals
consistent
with
the
broad
policy
stage,
the
PPS.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
appreciate
that
because
it
is
forth.
K
The
staff
report
also
highlights-
and
this
was
to
one
of
the
counselors
comments-
that
this
traditional
mainstream
is
actually
a
hybrid.
It
actually
has
many
of
the
characters
as
of
an
arterial
Main
Street,
partly
because
of
look
what's
going
on
there,
partly
because
there's
no
on
street
parking
and
a
number
of
the
other
elements
that
are
very
and
I
think
mister
would
seat
correctly
States.
It's
a
challenge
to
turn
it
towards
and
and
and
realize
this
dream
of
the
traditional
Main
Street.
So
we're
looking
at
all
these
things
together
at
10,000
feet.
K
Looking
down
now,
one
of
the
things
again,
the
lack
of
on
street
parking
is
critically
excessive,
any
traditional
Main
Street
and
they
do
rightly
say
that
there's
a
plan
for
some
capital
improvements,
it's
in
your
TPM
I,
looked
at
it.
It's
not
before
2031
that
there
be
any
money
invested
in
those
kind
of
improvements
to
make
it
a
pedestrian
friendly
environment
with
maybe
widened
sidewalks
and
bus
lanes
and
on
street
parking,
not
till
after
2031.
What's
gonna
happen
between
now
and
then,
how
is
this
grade?
K
K
T
K
Would
you
there
we
go
so
this
is
one
just
around
the
corner
overview
Mercedes
major
renovation.
This
is
their
service
repair.
Again,
it's
not
quite
on
the
edge
of
the
street
because
of
traffic
issues,
but
you
can
see
the
glazing.
You
can
see
an
entrance
on
the
side
for
cars.
You
don't
see,
though
you
can't
see
the
hydraulic
lifts,
you
can't
you
can't
hear
the
noise
and
you
know
they.
K
They
have
that
kind
of
experience
going
on
on
the
three
corners
now
and
they
have
a
great
relationship
with
neighbors,
and
you
see,
there's
no
neighbors
here,
community
association
sent
in
actually
something
that
was
quite
helpful
to
unsupportive
in
general
terms
for
us,
so
if
they
were
really
offensive,
if
they
were
really
a
use,
that
was
not
welcomed.
You
know
you
better
believe
that
there
would
be
community
meetings
and
every
people
coming
out
it's,
but
they
have
a
great
relationship.
They've
earned
it
over
40
years,
I'm
just
going
to
wrap
up
here.
K
So
in
conclusion,
the
their
options
that
we
can
introduce
into
the
proposed
building
now
to
make
palatable
if
that's
needed
against
some
of
these
other
type
of
uses.
In
the
fullness
of
time,
the
building
can
and
likely
will
be
reconverted
anyways
to
other
uses,
a
higher
and
better
use,
and
you
know
these
buildings
have
a
lifespan
anyways.
If
there's
a
higher
and
better
use.
We
know
that
in
other
areas
of
the
city
the
Westborough
the
gleb's
are
was
so
you
know
there
will
be
these
these
reuse
of
buildings
and
new
additions.
K
So
that
can
happen
that
helps
realize
the
the
golden
official
I
understand
that
I
understand
what
you
try
to
get
to,
but
there's
just
so
many
impediments
here
and
there's
already
so
much
invested
in
the
area
that
we're
asking
for
a
site-specific
OPA
we're
not
gonna
want
to
change
the
designation.
We
don't
think
it's
an
offensive
designation
for
a
traditional
major.
It's
just
not
gonna
happen.
K
So
that's
a
development
of
this
type
will
actually
help
stimulate
investment
along
that
Street
because,
as
one
of
the
speakers
said,
there's
been
one
new
building
in
the
past
other
than
these
three
in
the
past
40
years,
and
it's
a
free-standing
pad
with
a
piece
of
pizza
out
in
front
of
the
Freshco,
that's
great,
but
that's
the
old
one,
and
only
so
I'll
just
cut
it
off
at
that
point.
Michelle
do
you
have
anything
to
add
at
all?
Maybe
go.
P
Thank
You
Madame
chair
and
there
can
never
be
enough
committees,
I,
just
I,
hope.
You've
been
involved
with
the
planning
and
working
with
the
city
for
years,
and
your
mother
was
obviously
very
involved
with
how
these
rules.
If
you
will
come
about
I'm
wondering
if
you
understood
what
I
just
learned
today
that
traditional
Main
Street
means
we
only
want
you
to
do
business
with
the
locals.
There's
that
your
understanding
across
the
city
of
that
designation.
K
Through
the
chair
of
the
member
in
the
the
designation
is
one
that
first
of
all
generally
recognizes
a
certain
circa
of
construction,
pre
in
1945,
I
believe
generally,
as
opposed
to
the
new
arterial
main
streets,
which
are
the
Carling
avenues
and
the
Hazeldine
roads.
So
so
right
away.
There
was
a
different
function
back
then
there's
a
different
Street
cross-section,
but
the
most
important
thing
is
so
it
can
cater
to
people
that
will
drive
cars
but
also
can
be
walking
to
it
have
those
pedestrian
elements.
K
So,
unfortunately,
this
site
has
actually
some
residential
on
both
sides,
and
those
people
will
would
come
perhaps
to
use
the
local
shops,
but
they
also
will
come
to
bel-air
Toyota,
Bel,
Air,
Scion
and
bel-air
Lexus.
They
have
cars,
they
they
come
there
and
business
they've
been
expanding,
so
I
think
that
it's
it's
it's
for
the
local
area,
but
it
also
as
a
functioning
street.
That's
going
to
have
bus
services.
Gonna
bring
people
from
from
all
over.
P
P
B
Having
said
all
that,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I
have
a
question
for
you.
Does
anyone
else
have
any
questions?
Okay,
I
have
a
question
for
you.
Mr.
Powell,
when
I
met
with
you
yesterday,
you
were
talking
about
the
fact
that,
as
part
of
your
relationship
with
Alexis,
that
this
is
a
condition
that
they
have
said
that
you
must
have,
if
you're
not
able
to
do
this
on
this
site.
What
is
your
option
then?
B
B
R
H
Is
to
protecting
our
lectures
right
now,
because
Alexis
came
in
Karen
20
years
ago
and
when
he
came
in
it
was
a
joint
venture
with
with
Tara
and
as
time
went
by.
You
know:
Alexis
exchanged
the
luxury
market
in
Canada
and
in
the
United
States
as
far
as
that
goes
to
they
wanted
to
have
the
high
luxury
market,
I
guess
to
a
higher
level.
H
H
The
only
one
left
on
the
court,
so
I
anyways
it
took
us
years
to
adjoint
all
these
properties
together
to
make
the
committee
much
nicer
to
look
at
the
new
lectures
assertion
that
we
built
on
a
couple
years
ago,
which
we
was
granted
by
the
city
tourists
to
go
ahead
and
do
that
was
phase
one
of
phase
two
phase.
Two
is
actually
it's
nice
to
sell
a
product,
but
it's
also
nice
to
be
able
to
service
it
to
the
expectation
of
these
guests.
H
So
when
I'm
dealing
with
master
dice
and
and
BMW
and
and
then
Kerouac
and
all
these
high-end
stores,
I
need
to
be
able
to
deliver
the
type
of
services
that
these
customers
are
expecting
from
us
right
now.
I
cannot
deliver
with
only
half
of
the
building,
so
this
was
actually
phase
1
to
phase
2
like
I
was
saying
I
mean
we
had
sex
option
on
me.
H
Remember
heads
you
know
school
school
kids
going
to
school
on
because
they're
stopping
in
front
of
that
sex
shop
with
bill,
not
dolls
and
all
kinds
of
I
mean
I've,
seen
it
all
on
MacArthur
and
I'm,
so
shocked
that
I
just
want
to
just
finish
the
job
that
we
started.
40
years
ago
I
mean
we
just
built
a
brand
new
facility,
known
easy,
which
I'm
sure
you're
aware
of
I
mean
it's
a
45,000
square
building.
We
have
Kia
Toyota
and
then
hundreds
it
back
on
now
Bernoulli's.
H
It's
steady,
the
oil
companies
buildings
that
we've
put
together
and
I'm
sure
with
mister.
That
can
actually
confirm
that
we
just
open
that
in
December,
so
we've
been
I,
guess
putting
our
having
sold
out
there
for
making
desi
business
and
reinvesting
in
their
community
I
mean
I've,
helped
to
schools,
backyards,
Tora
green.
We
put
new
pipes
everywhere,
I
mean
we
helped
hospital
anyways.
B
Saying,
but
for
the
staff
that
have
to
look
at
what
the
designation
is
or
what
it
allows?
That's
why
they've
come
forward
with
their
decision,
based
on
that?
You
know,
I,
think
you're,
hearing
from
a
lot
of
other
people,
the
sensitivity
to
the
reality,
as
opposed
to
this,
the
the
ability
of
the
staff
to
operate
outside
of
what
their
limitations
are.
Councillor
leaper
has
a
question.
B
F
F
Thirty
years,
I
was
like
twenty
thirty
years
and
then
the
second
point,
mr.
Holtzman,
you
and
I,
were
chatting
yesterday
about
this
development.
This
is
a
neighborhood
that
is
is
likely
to
undergo
some
of
the
changes
that
I've
seen.
For
example,
in
my
ward,
there's
still
a
fair
bit
of
affordable
homes
in
here
it's
our
two,
which
are
three.
It's
probably
going
to
start
to
see
some
of
the
gentrification
pressures.
F
One
of
the
things
that's
really
helpful
in
in
a
neighborhood
is
having
a
traditional
Main
Street
and
the
vision
for
traditional
Main
streets,
just
taking
it
from
the
staff
report,
is
to
develop
as
more
pedestrian
friendly
environments
with
a
full
complement
of
cycling
and
transit
services.
I'm
wondering
we
spoke
yesterday
and
I,
don't
know
if
you've
had
any
further
thoughts
about
the
possibility
of
leasable
commercial
space
in
front
of
this
building
to
animate
the
street
a
bit
more
while
putting
the
automobile
servicing
in
behind.
K
The
three
that
threw
the
chair
delay
to
the
member
the
building
would
be
designed
to
be
really
looking
like
a
showroom
anyways,
which
is
retail
sale
of
cars.
Those
cars
and
high-end
cars
would
be
parked
within
the
building
waiting
for
waiting
to
for
the
mechanic
to
move
it
around.
We
also
would
have
boutique
retail
in
it.
We
have
a
parts
supply
and
we
have
the
ability
for
some
display.
K
Cars
want
to
tie
it
together
with
the
Lexus
dealer
across
the
road,
there
would
be
likely
a
second
floor
that
would
have
their
offices,
so
there
are
a
number
of
other
uses
other
than
that
one
offensive
use
which
would
be
in
behind
the
screen
wall.
Obviously
a
key
integral
part
of
it
in
terms
of
third
party
retail
we've
talked
about
that.
That
may
be
very
difficult,
but
again
over
time
now
you
know
anything
is
possible.
There's
a
market
there.
If
there's
convenient
on
street
parking
there,
you
know
because
it
has
to
be
feasible.
K
H
H
Are
those
gonna
be
part
of
this
function
on
this
building?
Yes,
so
just
on
that,
coming
back
to
staff,
you
mentioned
on
slide
number
I.
Guess
it's
five
or
six
about
traditional
Main
Street
zones.
The
top
line
says,
accommodates
a
retail
commercial
office,
residential
and
institutional.
What
is
the
difference
between
what
you're
describing
in
this
policy
was
what
they're
suggesting
that
they
will
be
operating
out
of
this
dealership
in
terms
of
commercial,
for
example,
a
retail?
B
K
Idea
being
is
that
at
the
high-end
dealership
she
can
go
in
and
get
probably
a
$500
leather
jacket
that
has
the
Alexus
low
going
people
buy
those
and
some
of
that
that
type
of
boutique,
retailing,
obviously
associated
with
their
brand
I,
should
tell
you
that
we're
not
asking
to
remove
all
those
other
uses.
We're
saying
add
this
other
use
to
it.
So
there's
still
the
opportunity
over
time
and
maybe
sooner
than
later,
but
we
don't
promise
that
that
all
the
other
uses
the
58
that
mr.
K
meets
he
talked
to,
but
of
course,
they're
still
going
to
be
permitted
and
when
there's
a
marketplace
for
that
and
there's
a
generation
of
activity,
they
could
be
evolving
to
that.
So
we're
asking
for
the
addition
of
this
use
in
the
zoning
unlimited
and
a
couple
of
performance
standards
that
we
can
work
on
that
tie
in
with
the
site
plan,
and
the
other
thing
is
of
course
the
Official
Plan,
though
needs
the
read
out.
K
You
know
needs
a
site-specific
on
that
corner
those
three
Lots
to
say:
there's
a
no
P
policy
of
traditional
Main
Street,
but
on
that
particular
three
Lots
and
concession
on
the
register
plan.
A
service
station
as
defined
would
be
permitted
an
additional
permitted
use
and
that's
happened
in
cases
across
the
city.
The
White
City.
P
H
Official
plan
designation,
I
think
we
have
to
be
more
clearer
on
that
designation,
more
concrete,
because
right
now,
I
mean
just
that.
One
statement
is
overlapping
in
many
uses
under
retail
or
commercial
for
that
matter.
How
do
we
ask
business
owners
to
participate
in
that
zoning
or
the
designation
when
their
themselves
don't
know?
What
exactly
does
that
mean?
I
mean
if
they
were
opening
a
gas
station
and
even
aghast
today
sells
confectionery
items,
for
example,
so
they
become
a
retail
store.
H
Obviously
so,
based
on
those
kind
of
things
I
think
you
know,
we
need
to
revise
a
relook
at
the
zoning
bylaw
for
traditional
Main
Street,
maybe
the
different
designations
of
traditional
Main
Street.
For
an
example,
the
traditional
Main
Street,
the
MacArthur,
may
be
different
designation
than
the
traditional
Main
Street
in
my
ward,
in
terms
of
still
on
Main
Street,
and
then
you
base
those
designations
on
individual
streets.
Now
people
are
served,
that'll
open
up
every
traditional
Main
Street
for
designation.
There
are
some
ways
similar
Main
streets.
H
Are
you
know
in
Richmond,
Richmond
Road,
Bank,
Street,
algún
Street?
Those
could
be
magnetic.
Those
could
be
some
of
the
different
traditional
Main
streets,
but
to
put
this
designation
on
every
traditional
Main
Street
you're
handcuffing
that
I
consider
to
be
a
very
successful
business
partner
in
that
part
of
the
community.
By
putting
this
kind
of
designation
and
if
they're
interested
I
know,
you
got
an
offer
from
councillor,
Healey
I'll
open
up
radium
auto
park
instead
swell
for
you
to
come
and
do
business
with
us.
O
H
H
I
appreciate
that
comment,
but
my
concern
still
is
that
the
definition
of
these
traditional
Main
streets
are
very
cloudy
and
very
hard
to
interpret
in
the
community
from
a
business
perspective
and
all
also
from
other
uses
perspective
and
I
understand
it's
council
policy
on
this,
but
I
still
would
recommend
that
we
go
back
and
revisit
the
wording
on
that
policy.
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
O
C
Store
so
they
probably
wouldn't
even
apply
for
it,
though
I
guess
isn't
the
point
if
they
don't
have
the
lot
width.
That's
yes,
that's
correct,
just
because
you're
calling
it
mr.
Minsky
is
very
reminiscent,
I
recall
in
University
news
coverage
in
perhaps
council,
her
and
kal
stroller,
both
here
and
that
opposition
to
a
grocery
store
going
on
a
traditional
Main
Street
in
West
Boyle
and
oh,
my
god.
It
was
going
to
ruin
the
community
and
as
I
Drive
and
walk
through
Westboro.
C
Now
my
I
don't
live
there,
but
my
sense
is
that
that
grocery
store
is
at
the
heart
of
the
community
and
plays
a
very
important
role
in
the
daily
lives
of
everyone
who
lives
around
it.
I
think
we
got
locked
very
much
into
some
of
these
notions
and
hypotheses
and
visions.
We
have
absolutely
no
money
to
deliver
on
and
it
frankly
in
if
we
were
to
accept
the
recommendation,
I
think
we'll
hold
this
part
of
the
city
back.
C
B
B
And
who
are
the
questions
for
not
for
the
delegation?
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
go
to
counter
tyranny,
then,
who
asked
questions
of
the
delegation,
then
we'll
release
the
delegation
and
I
would,
and
we
also
have
the
item
that
we
have
left
is
the
budget,
and
we
have
quite
a
few
speakers
on
that
one.
Thank
you.
C
Great.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
now.
My
question
is
actually
to
bail
because
we
worked
together
on
other
files
in
the
East,
End
and
I'm
noticing
kind
of
a
pattern.
It's
it's
really
unfortunate.
Just
literally
ten
seconds
down
the
road
at
the
former
target,
or
soon
to
be
former
target
which
employs
a
lot
of
people
in
the
neighborhood.
That's
folding
up
its
doors.
Do
you
see
any
real
other
opportunities?
Just
you
know,
because
you
know
auto
dealers.
Isn't
your
your
specialty?
It's
kind
of
everything.
K
Number
of
uses,
but
they
haven't
been
realized
and
they
won't
be
there's
this.
This,
like
Colonel
landowner,
acquired
the
properties
over
seven
years
from
2008
to
2012,
with
an
expectation
and
received
approvals
from
the
city
for
this
type
of
use.
It's
a
clustering
of
of
the
uses.
If
this
was
parachuted
in
as
of
a
third-party
opportunity,
then
I
I,
myself,
wouldn't
even
support
it.
So
I
see
this
as
a
very
logical
use.
K
I,
don't
see
it
as
moving
so
far
away
from
the
Official
Plan
I
see
it
very
similar
and
the
same
rationale
that
was
used
by
staff
to
defend
the
approval
in
2007
and
I
should
add
again
when
you
mentioned
the
target.
Sir
timing
is
very
important
here
and
things
change
the
industry
changes.
We
work
very
hard
on
the
revamping
and
reconstruction
of
the
zellers
and
for
issues
far
beyond
this
committee
and
council
and
and
and
be
applicant
that
that
store
came
and
went.
It's
a
shame.
So
there
are
windows
of
opportunity.
K
C
C
Last
year,
especially
in
my
ward,
we've
lost,
you
know
a
Mac,
so
when
DS
and
RB
is
a
future
shop
targets,
I
mean
if
we
can't
even
hold
on
to
the
large
names
I,
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
get
a
butcher
or
a
barber
or
I.
Think
timing
is
probably
the
right.
The
right
way
to
approach
this
one.
At
the
same
time,
I
think
we
do
have
to
respect
the
work
Michael's
done
to
date.
C
G
G
Penhall
and
his
family
are
important
members
of
the
community
and
have
been
an
important
business
in
the
neighborhood
for,
as
you
heard
many
decades,
but
the
primary
reason
why
the
Community
Association
opposes
the
request.
Is
that
they're
really
vision
in
the
community
for
MacArthur
to
evolve
into
a
traditional
Main
Street?
And
you
know
the
view
that
I
heard
was.
You
know,
as
we
start
thinking
about
the
future
of
that
Street?
G
We
really
do
want
certainty
and
predictability,
and
about
12
days
ago
or
13
days
ago,
we
as
a
council,
approved
a
fairly
fundamental
harmonization
of
zoning
on
our
traditional
and
arterial
Main
streets
to
conform
with
the
Official,
Plan
and
I.
Think
that
was
appreciated
by
a
lot
of
different
stakeholders
and
what
what
were
being
faced
with
here
is
essentially
amending
the
Official
Plan
a
mere
13
days
after
we
went
through
what
I
think
was
a
really
important
exercise
with
the
goal,
ultimately
of
reducing
the
amount
of
spas
owning
that
happens.
G
parelle
is
an
important
contributing
member
of
that
neighborhood.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
community
association
feels-
and
I
agreed
with
them,
that
to
preserve
and
protect
that
longer-term
vision
of
the
traditional
Main
Street,
we
do
have
to
ultimately
protect
the
official
plan
absorb
it
and
provide
greater
certainty
and
predictability
moving
ahead.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
H
Yep,
thank
you,
I'm
sure.
It's
moved
by
myself
that
the
staff
recommendation
be
deleted.
The
official
plan,
amendment
and
rezoning
application
be
approved
and
that
staff
be
directed
to
bring
forward
the
details
of
the
official
plan,
amendment
and
rezoning
when
the
matter
rises
to
Council
and
as
I
listened
to
the
applicant
over
the
past
couple
of
days.
In
here
today,
at
the
hearing,
a
couple
of
things
became
really
clear
and
my
memory.
H
It
was
severely
jogged
as
I
recall
the
ongoing
soap
opera
with
former
councillors,
and
especially
in
trying
to
improve
the
atmosphere
and
the
develop
ability
of
that
corridor
over
the
years.
And
you
know
what
essentially
happened:
is
the
city
through
its
council,
the
applicant
to
assemble
those
properties
and
closed
off
the
fourth
corner
of
those
properties,
with
a
related
use
specifically
to
get
rid
of
the
previous
uses,
because
the
community
did
not
want
those
previous
uses
at
that
location.
H
H
H
H
So
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
just
from
the
common
sense
perspective
to
approve
this
I
also
think
the
city
certainly
did
everything
to
lead
the
applicant
to
believe
that
something,
reasonable
and
and
in
harmony
with
what
exists
today
would
be
approved
in
the
future.
And
thirdly,
if
anybody's
going
to
get
something
going
there
that
attracts
other
people
to
build
and
to
build
according
to
the
new
plan,
it's
going
to
be
this
applicant
because
he
appears
to
be
the
best
asset
of
that
corridor.
So
that
is
why
I'm
moving
this
motion.
Thank.
C
E
E
When
I
look
at
those
four
corners
and
I
already
see
three
of
the
four
corners
with
automotive
type,
either
a
sales
center
or
service
center
I
I
can't
in
good
conscience,
say
that
for
this
fourth
remaining
corner,
we're
going
to
oppose
the
same
type
of,
in
this
case,
an
automotive
service
center.
When
you
look
at
basically
it's
two
floors
and
we
look
at
the
design
plan
for
that,
this
will
not
detract
from
the
community
I
think
it
will
add
to
the
community.
E
If,
if
these
four
corners
had
no
automotive
service,
centers
or
service
bays,
then
I
would
be
much
more
hesitant
to
approve
what
the
proponent
is
advocating
us
to
to
Grant's,
but
given
that
this
intersection
already
has
this,
that
they're,
low-rise
and
I
would
much
rather
have
a
bit
more
traffic
than
the
types
of
businesses
that
councillors
rally
alluded
to
used
to
exist
here
so
I
to
look
forward
to
the
ongoing
redevelopment
of
MacArthur
and
other
traditional
Main
streets
in
this
city.
But
I
agree
with
the
motion.
That's
been
put
on
the
floor
at
this
point.
E
B
You
very
much
and
I
think
that
that
everyone
has
had
their
saying
except
John
for
myself.
I
am
going
to
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendation.
I
promise
in
the
very
first
meeting
of
the
planning
new
planning
committee
that
I
would
defend
our
official
plan,
defend
our
community
design
plans.
Having
said
that,
I'm
very
honest
with
you
and
saying
that
I
think
that
in
this
case
there
should
be
an
exception.
B
Drafted
and
approved
for
this
specific
corner
based
on
what
was
in
the
immediate
vicinity
around
it.
I'm
sure
that
if
council
supports
that
we're
going
to
get
to
something,
that's
going
to
complete
that
that
corner
so
I'm
going
to
call
yeas
and
nays
on
the
Sorelli
motion
to
that
the
staff
recommendation
be
deleted
and
that
the
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
application
be
approved
and
that
staff
be
directed
to
bring
forward
the
details
of
the
official
plan
amendment
and
rezoning
when
the
matter
rises
to
Council,
okay,
so
counselor
bleh.
Yes,.
C
E
H
H
B
Kadri,
yes,
vice
chair,
turning,
yes
and
myself.
No,
so
that
is
approach,
seven
it
to
three.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thanks
for
your
time,
I'm
cognizant
of
the
time,
mainly
because
I
set
the
rules
of
12:30
a
night
and
I
know.
A
lot
of
people
have
been
waiting
for
quite
a
while
I
mean
ask
mr.
Moser
to
race
like
a
banshee,
to
get
into
the
seats
to
give
us
a
little
presentation
on
our
on
their
own
budget,
and
then
we
have.
B
T
Madam
sure,
while
we're
getting
set
up
or
here
today
to
look
at
the
bulk
of
the
planning
in
both
management
budget,
both
operating
capital
and
also
the
affordable
housing
budget,
again
operating
and
capital
in
attendance
today,
since
the
Treasuries
is
with
us,
Aaron,
burry
and
part
of
his
housing
team
is
is
with
us,
as
well
as
the
the
managers
from
planning
a
growth
management
for
the
2015
budget.
Really,
it
is
a
maintains
the
status
quo
from
from
last
year.
There
are
no
new
FTEs
for
any
of
the
the
groupings
that
are
in
this
budget.
T
The
numbers
are
self-evident
in
terms
of
what
we're
looking
to
the
office
business
services
that
we
have
the
development
services.
This
includes
the
urban
and
suburban
group.
It
does
not
include
the
real
group
that
is
dealt
with
through
the
Iraq
budget.
We
have
our
policy
and
urban
design
group
and
two
components
of
the
the
building
service
code
services
branch,
one.
T
Looking
at
the
based
adjustment
in
terms
of
monies
that
we
had
as
one-time
monies
last
year,
we
are
not
receiving
them
this
year,
so
that
will
have
an
impact
on
our
ability
to
deliver
some
of
our
services.
We've
increased
the
user
fees
by
the
two
percent,
which
we,
which
is
done
in
each
of
the
each
of
the
budgets
and
on
the
user
fees.
T
I,
have
two
small
amendments
that
are
required
to
the
user
fees
in
this
area,
and
one
relates
to
just
a
technical
amendment
related
to
our
science
program,
where
we
put
those
signs
up
for
notifications,
the
the
fees
in
the
the
draft
bottle
bill
reflect
our
new
contract.
We
just
signed
so
there's
a
motion
that
we
put
forward
on
what
defying
that.
T
Indeed,
the
fees
have
gone
down
and
then
we
wanted
to
add
a
new
fee
for
very
small
legal
fees
related
to
easements
and
so
that'll
be
captured
in
an
amendment
to
the
the
user
fees
next
slide,
please.
So,
as
I
said,
these
are
the
highlights
are
basically
we're
maintaining
which,
within
our
department,
in
both
the
areas
most
of
our
money,
goes
into
our
salaries,
so
that
just
the
compensation
that
we
have
through
agreements.
T
So
I'll
go
back
to
the
so
he's
just
one
of
them
when
I'm
up
in
terms
of
the
summary
of
the
capital
Authority.
Basically,
it's
again
related
to
mostly
related
to
the
affordable
housing
in
terms
of
our
revenue
is
coming
from.
You
know,
other
levels
of
government
reserves
and
basically
development
charges
which
contribute
to
it
to
a
degree.
T
So
that's
basically
the
programs
we
have
the
there's.
Are
there
another
part
of
the
of
the
program
that
will
be
coming
forward
sort
of
called
the
strategic
citrus
to
tree
jaques
and
strategic
initiatives
that
money
has
been
set
aside
for
operating
over
the
the
next
four
years?
There's
a
little
over
twenty
million
dollar
set
aside
for
operating
strategic
initiatives
and
theirs
in
terms
of
capital.
There's
a
92
million
dollar.
T
If
you
will
fund
that
council
in
May
and
June
will
determine
where
they
want
to
spend
this
money
over
this
term
of
council,
so
they
will
allow
council
to
arrive
at
his
term
of
council
priorities.
Then
it
will
allow
the
departments
to
turn
their
mind
to
specific
work
programs
that
we
will
carry
out
over
the
next
term
of
this
term
of
council.
T
In
terms
of
the
the
bulk
of
what's
in
front
of
committee
is
the
is
the
planning
department,
Finan
girlf
Najma
department,
our
colleagues
from
affordable
housing
are
part
of
this
component.
They
they
really
you
know,
lead
and
and
support
the
development
of
new,
affordable
housing
with
the
intent,
certainly
to
advance
the
housing
and
homeless
plan.
T
In
terms
of
the
capital
highlights,
there
are
six
previously
approved
projects
going
ahead
this
this
year
with
a
total
of
two
hundred
and
sixteen
units,
and
in
2015
this
year,
there's
19
million
dollars
for
new,
affordable
housing
that
certainly
using
the
affordable
housing.
Ontario
program
you
know,
will
leverage
that
with
city
funds
and
of
initiatives
for
the
2015
to
2020
period
so
but
I'm
sure
that
was
basically
the
the
Banshee
version
of
doing
the
the
budget
and
certainly
prepared
to
answer
any
any
questions.
That
committee
may
have.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
mr.
Moser,
we,
as
I,
said
before
we
started.
We
have
seven
speakers
we're
going
to
go.
Two
speakers
and
I
have
already
forming
a
list
of
questions
and
counselor
here,
please
at
the
top
of
the
list.
So
if
anybody
wants
to
have
questions,
the
delegations
put
your
name
on
the
list,
so
our
first
person
up
is
mister
of
a
Sullivan.
B
A
Sorry
for
the
delay,
I
don't
mean
to
stand
in
between
you
and
your
lunch.
I
just
have
one
slide
that
will
quickly
bring
up
I
do
I,
don't
need
to
advance
it.
It's
a
single
flight.
So
if
you
just
put
it
up,
that's
fine,
so
my
name
is
Ray
Sullivan
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
CC
OSI
were
a
nonprofit
housing
organization,
a
landlord
and
a
non-profit
developer
I'm.
Also
a
director
of
Catco,
which
is
our
sister
corporation,
that
provides
development,
consulting
services
to
other
nonprofits,
including
a
number
of
currently
underway
city
funded
projects.
A
I'm
coming
to
you,
because
I
have
a
concern
that
the
city
might
be
taking
a
step
backwards
from
some
of
the
achievements
that
we've
achieved
over
the
past
12
years
when
it
comes
to
supporting
the
development
of
a
new,
affordable
housing.
So
if
I
can
ask
for
your
indulgence
in
a
bit
of
patience,
I
want
to
recap
some
of
that
progress.
Over
more
than
the
past
decade,
going
back
to
the
early
2000s,
there
was
no
federal
or
provincial
program
to
support
the
creation
of
new,
affordable
housing.
A
My
organization
worked
with
the
City
of
Ottawa
to
pilot.
What
is
now
the
action
Ottawa
program
and
part
of
that
program
was
a
system
that
allowed
the
city
to
waive
fees,
development
charges
and
levies
associated
with
the
development
to
make
a
project
that
much
closer
to
being
economically
viable,
and
it
worked.
We
developed
a
couple
of
small
projects
in
the
early
days
of
that
program.
A
Now,
of
course,
when
the
city
is
waiving
those
charges
and
fees
what's
actually
happening
for
many
of
them
is
that
the
housing
services
branch
is
paying
those
charges
and
fees
on
behalf
of
the
non-profit
developer,
but
that
was
an
important
step
and
an
important
step
in
the
absence
of
federal
and
provincial
housing
programs.
Several
years
after
that,
we
were
quite
fortunate
that
what
is
now
the
investing
in
Ottawa
Power,
sorry
investing
in
affordable
IAH
program
was
created
by
the
federal
provincial
government.
A
It
added
a
lot
of
cash
to
that
action,
Ottawa
program
and
it
allowed
us
and
other
nonprofits
and
the
city
to
work
together
to
make
significant
progress
in
2009,
the
city
started.
Collecting
development
charges
to
raise
funds
for
affordable
housing
infrastructure
and
their
modest,
but
over
the
past
five
years
the
city's
managed
to
raise
just
over
two
million
dollars
in
those
development
charges
and
it's
an
important
source
of
funding
as
well.
The
2011
budget
was
very
significant.
A
This
is
the
budget
where
the
city
committed
14
million
dollars
of
its
own
money
for
affordable
housing
and
poverty
reduction,
and
significantly
there
were
seven
very
specific
envelopes
for
that
investment.
The
seventh
envelope
was
four
million
dollars
per
year
in
capital
for
the
creation
of
new,
affordable
housing
under
the
authority
of
this
planning
committee,
not
added
as
much
as
forty
percent
to
the
federal
and
provincial
dollars
that
were
being
made
available
as
well.
A
A
That
shows
the
past
several
years
the
current
year
and
what
we
think
we
can
expect
for
the
next
several
years
and
I
want
to
compare
what's
going
on
in
2013
and
and
ask
the
questions
about
what
we
can
expect
in
2016.
All
of
these
figures
are
taken
from
published
city
budget
documents
from
2012
to
2015
the
first
line
I
H.
This
is
the
federal
provincial
dollars
that
are
part
of
your
capital
budget.
That's
before
you
today,
the
first
three
years
in
the
chart
2012
to
2014
were
part
of
that
extension
over
twenty
five
million
dollars.
A
Everyone
was
very
pleased
that
as
much
as
48
million
was
renewed
for
the
next
five
years,
and
you
can
see
here
how
it
plays
out
in
in
each
of
those
years
the
next
line.
This
is
the
city's
own
money,
the
housing
and
homelessness
investment
plan
that
four
million
dollar
envelope.
That
was
part
of
the
14
that
the
city
committed
in
each
of
the
the
last
years
from
the
last
term,
but
is
no
longer
part
of
the
capital
budget.
That's
before
you
the
part,
that's
new
and
there's
those
development
charges.
A
So
it's
taken
five
years
to
build
up
to
just
over
two
million
dollars.
It's
great
to
see
the
commitment
in
2015
that
we
can
make
that
part
of
the
package
to
build
new,
affordable
housing.
But,
of
course,
once
we've
spent
it.
It's
it's
gone
and
we
can't
expect
more
than
four
or
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year
because
that's
the
rate
at
which
the
city
is
collecting
those
develop
and
charges
and,
of
course,
the
housing
reserve.
So
the
for
millet,
the
five.
B
C
C
This
year,
within
the
social
housing
budget
pressures,
we
had
nine
point
three
million
dollars
in
budget
pressures
and
those
could
not
be
absorbed
within
the
convenient
social
services
budget.
So
we
made
a
determination
that,
in
order
to
work
within
the
two
percent
and
not
cut
other
services
to
vulnerable
individuals,
we
needed
to
move
that
four
million
dollars
to
cover
off
the
pressures
in
social
housing.
In
addition,
we
move
two
million
others
plus
we're
looking
at
over
a
million
and
a
half
and
other
solutions
that
we
have
to
find
by
the
end
of
term.
B
C
Essentially,
these
pressures
are
related
to
mandatory
indexes
that
the
city
has
to
pay
out
for
social
housing,
so
social
housing,
it's
in
terms
of
increases
in
mortgages,
increases
in
rent,
rent
gift
income
insurance.
All
of
those
costs
we
are
required
to
pay
to
social
housing
providers.
That's
where
the
nine
point
three
million
dollars
comes
for
those
are
best
estimates.
We
always
hope
to
do
better,
but
in
this
climate
we
can't
expect
to
do
better.
In
many
instances
we
mortgaged
a
lot
of
the
properties
together
with
our
partners.
C
F
C
F
A
C
F
Housing,
you
know
these
four
million
dollars.
Thh
IP
are
gone
this
year.
Well,
we've
seen
a
top-up
by
the
characterises
sort
of
one
time
from
the
development
fees
we've
seen
a
top-up
from
housing
reserve.
Those
probably
won't
continue
it
anywhere
near
the
same
rate.
Moving
forward
with
those
four
million
dollars
in
capital
dollars
gone
moving
forward
for
the
next
step
four
years.
What
is
the
impact
for
you
as
a
low-cost
housing
builder
yeah.
A
And
you
know
the
contribution
coming
through
the
federal
government.
The
federal
and
provincial
governments
in
the
IH
is
a
bit
richer
in
2015,
because
there's
a
five
million
dollar
quick
start
bonus,
but
it
goes
back
to
its
regular
level
of
ten
million
after
that
and
that
four
million
that
the
city
was
kicking
in
you're
talking
thirty
to
forty
new
homes,
you're
talking
thirty
to
forty
people
who
were
homeless,
who
needed
supportive
housing
who
needed,
affordable
housing
who
won't
be
able
to
get
it?
A
B
Write
it
down
and
we'll
deal
with
it
after
we
have
all
of
the
delegations.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
Sullivan
for
coming
out
today
is
serene
carrier
here.
Oh
there,
you
are
already
thank
you
very
much
Wow
and
followed
by
Chad
Rollins,
so
Chad.
Maybe
you
could
come
up
and
get
ready
in
the
in
the
sidecar.
Thank
you
go
ahead.
Okay,.
I
Good
afternoon
counselors-
and
thank
you
very
much
for
hearing
me
today-
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
cooperative
housing
Association
of
Eastern
Ontario,
so
we
represent
about
3000
units
of
affordable
rental
housing
or
run
democratically,
so
were
formed
as
cooperative
enterprises
and,
together
with
the
city
about
half
of
our
co-ops,
are
under
a
service
agreement
with
the
city,
half
fall
under
operating
agreements
with
CMHC
or
are
out
of
their
operating
agreements.
So
I
myself
am
a
co-op.
I
Member
and
and
I
have
a
roommate
who's,
a
teacher,
and
so
a
few
months
ago
she
was
speaking
with
her
great
four
students
about
homelessness.
Without
hesitations,
her
students,
a
student,
said
everyone
should
have
a
home
when
asked
why
the
response
was.
Was
the
right
thing
to
do?
Duh
they're
great
for
it
now
these
I
deal
with
students
and
behavin
are
certainly
not
alone.
The
fact
that
the
city's,
the
city
of
Ottawa's,
10-year
housing
homelessness
plan
includes
the
priority
that
everyone
has
a
home
is
telling
that
includes
some
very
lofty
and
audacious
goals.
I
Ending
chronic
homelessness
is
an
audacious
goal.
We
and
the
affordable
housing
sectors
strongly
support
the
city's
plans.
In
fact,
were
partners
in
the
solution.
We've
enjoyed
many
successes
in
the
past
few
years.
The
14
million
dollar
investment
in
2010
was
a
huge
milestone
and
it
was
an
audacious
commitment.
I
Unfortunately,
the
budget
tabled
in
2015
is
not
quite
as
audacious.
We
in
the
not-for-profit
sector
know
well,
the
pressures
and
challenges
of
presenting
a
budget
that
meets
everyone's
needs.
The
task
before
you
is
a
challenging
one,
and
we
certainly
appreciate
that.
We're
not
the
only
ones
asking
for
money,
but
an
affordable
home
is
a
basic
need,
and
many
people
rely
on
this
to
help
them
find
this.
So
you've
heard
some
of
the
numbers
from
Ray
and
I'd
like
to
add
the
voices
of
3000
households.
She
was
called.
I
Our
sector
needs
cities
of
the
city's
financial
commitment
now
and
in
the
next
four
years
to
reach
the
audacious
goal.
That's
we've
sat
together.
The
40,000
people
in
her
core
housing
need
in
our
city
need
that
commitment,
we're
all
excited
to
see
new,
affordable
housing
being
developed,
but
having
the
carpet
roll
up
behind
us
and
having
to
sell
off
other
units,
it
becomes
a
real
risk.
If
the
budget
is
not
only
maintained
but
also
grown,
the
mayor
stated
last
week
that
affordable
housing
was
one
of
Ottawa's
key
priorities.
I
I
rode
you
to
support
the
roadmap
set
out
before
us
by
reinstating
lis,
full
14
million
dollars
and
going
further
making
an
additional
two
million
dollar
commitment
in
2015,
and
many
councillors
supported
this
during
the
campaign.
Our
coop
members,
the
tenets
of
non
profit,
not-for-profit
Housing
and
those
waiting
for
an
affordable
home
are
looking
to
you
to
make
the
financial
commitment
to
our
capital
needs
in
our
sector.
I
F
I
G
B
D
D
While
I
speak
here,
this
should
just
play
on
its
own
and
give
you
a
bit
of
a
photo
tour
of
Sandy
Hill
good
morning.
Madam
chair,
are
we
good
afternoon
now?
Perhaps
madam
chair
councillors,
thank
you
for
having
me
today.
My
name
is
Chad
Rollins
I'm,
president
of
action,
Sandy
Hill
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
giving
Ashe
the
opportunity
to
provide
our
input
regarding
the
draft
operating
and
capital
budget.
D
We
want
to
emphasize
to
you
today
how
Heritage
Preservation
can
advance
one
of
the
city's
own
stated
priorities,
namely
economic
development,
specifically
the
growth
of
tourism
and
small
business
sandy
hills
community
of
astonishing
national
historical
importance
has
been
home
to
seven
fathers
of
Confederation
and
eat.
Prime
ministers,
in
addition
to
numerous
national
luminaries,
including
Sir
Sandford
Fleming,
World
War,
one
finest
Billy,
Bishop
acclaimed
photographer
use
of
Kirsch
Archbold
Landman
of
Confederation
poet
to
numerous
Supreme,
Court,
justices,
etc,
not
to
mention
Canada's
own
Bletchley
Park.
D
Indeed,
the
very
neighborhood
itself
has
contributed
to
the
development
of
the
story
of
both
Ottawa
and
Canada.
Sendhil
includes
more
than
850
pre-war
buildings,
such
six
heritage,
conservation,
districts,
29
individually,
designated
heritage
properties,
one
National,
Historic
Site
at
Laurier
House
and
one
heritage
landscapes,
traffic.
D
In
addition,
many
of
the
fine
old
mansions
survived,
including
31
as
embassies
or
legations,
the
2010
Sandy
Hill
heritage
study
noted
the
parts
of
Sandy
Hill
retain
a
very
high
percentage
of
original
construction,
and
this
fact
alone
allows
the
area
to
stand
as
an
example:
the
evolution
of
urban
domestic
architecture
in
central
Canada
over
time.
Several
cities
have
leveraged
their
built
heritage
as
a
driver
for
economic
development.
As
evidence
of
how
this
approach
could
work
for
Ottawa
I'd
like
to
bring
three
brief
examples
to
your
attention.
D
Today,
Winnipeg
Manitoba,
for
instance,
has
implemented
a
heritage
conservation
tax
credit.
They
did
that
in
1998
and
it
provides
a
credit
for
up
to
50%
of
the
cost
to
repair,
stabilise
and
rehabilitate
designated
buildings
and
preserve
their
heritage
elements
now.
I
know
we
have
a
grant
in
Ottawa,
but
that's
limited
to
$5,000.
This
has
no
limit.
D
Final
example,
I'd
like
to
raise
is
Asheville
North
Carolina,
which
is
home
to
the
historic
Biltmore
Estate
that
house
alone
attracts
million
visitors
a
year
and
has
spawned
its
own
tourism
industry,
which
now
includes
an
inn
winery
and
agriculture
and
reproductions
businesses.
The
direct
economic
impact
of
built
includes
4,400
jobs,
139
million
in
wages,
238
million
in
value-added
expenditures
and
27
million
in
state
and
local
taxes.
Ashe
believes
that
the
preservation
of
sandy
hills,
rich
heritage
can
bring
similar
economic
opportunities
to
Ottawa.
D
This
budget
provides
an
opportunity
to
realize
some
of
that
potential
through
strategic
investments
with
a
bleed,
preserving
and
protecting
sandy
Hills
heritage
resources.
We
ask
first
for
monies
to
be
allocated
for
completing
and
implementing
the
Uptown
Rideau
community
design
plan
that
is
now
underway,
including
incentives
to
encourage
rehabilitation
of
our
traditional
Main
Street,
updating
sandy
her
secondary
plan
in
order
to
guide
future
development
in
our
neighborhood.
D
Adopting
the
report
of
the
2010
Sandy
Hill
heritage
study
and
implementing
its
recommendations
and
as
regards
the
Heritage
Tax
Credit
Ashe
proposes
that,
pursuant
to
the
province
of
Ontario's,
municipal
planning
and
financial
tools
for
economic
development
handbook,
the
City
of
Ottawa
established
a
heritage
tax
credit
to
encourage
good
stewardship
maintenance
and
conservation
of
heritage
properties.
It's
worth
noting
that
the
u.s.
National
Park
Service
undertook
a
study
of
the
economic
impact
of
the
u.s.
federal
historic
tax
credit.
My
out
of
time.
B
B
Tell
you,
and,
and
just
so
you
know,
I
mean
that
is
something
that
is
on
our
radar.
I
know,
I'm,
just
the
recently
passed
chair
of
the
built
heritage,
counselor
Nussbaum,
as
they
current
chair
and
and
mister
Lizzy,
is
the
lead
staff
person
on
this,
and
we
know
that
we
could
do
a
lot
more
with
some
kind
of
well,
certainly
more
than
the
five
thousand
dollars
it's
capped.
It
I
think
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
is
the
entire
budget.
Here.
H
B
That
purpose,
if
something
that
we
take
seriously,
would
like
to
work
with
the
Heritage
Ottawa
and
yourselves,
but
I
think
it
has
to
be
something
that
comes
from
the
province
for
funding,
because
I
think
miss
Similac
who's
sitting
there
in
the
audience
could
probably
her
hair
started
well.
Well,
big
gray,
when
you
were
talking
about
those
kinds
of
numbers,
but
it
shows
that
there
could
be
a
business
case
made
and,
and
that
could
be
part
of
the
consideration
I
just
wanted
to.
G
B
B
Yes,
wait?
No
I,
don't
need
I,
don't
don't
come
up
yet
and
also
Susan
me
me.
Yep
I
met
you.
Yes,
thank
you,
okay!
So
for
the
committee
members
presuming
that
everyone
takes
five
minutes
and
then
there's
discussion,
do
you
want
to
break
at
12:30
I
think
we're
going
to
lose
a
couple
of
members,
and
but
oh
do
you
want
to
stay
or
an
extra,
probably
15
minutes
or
so?
What
do
you
say,
you're
good
to
say,
I
hate
to
break
the
rules.
So
are
you
ready
thank
you
yep
five
minutes,
I.
M
Remove
some
slides
to
save
time
and
no
movement
done
a
written
submission
to
so.
Hopefully
that
will
help
I
wanted
to
start
by
saying
that
that
Japan
and
Korea
lead
the
world
in
public
toilet
provision.
European
cities
like
Oslo,
London
and
Paris
take
public
toilets
into
rapid
transit
stations
and
on
the
streets
for
granted.
Australia
has
17,000
public
toilets.
New
Zealand
is
a
leader
in
the
world,
even
Washington
DC,
which
shut
down
a
number
of
their
toilets
after
9/11
have
now
introduced
a
number
of
new
ones
in
their
modern.
M
In
there's,
a
new
Silver
Line,
that's
happening
in
many
other
places
in
the
world.
Toronto
has
toilets
in
many
of
its
stations.
I
think
most
of
you
are
familiar
with
our
pitch
about
the
toilets
in
the
Confederation
line,
which
will
have
10,000
users
per
hour.
So
I
won't
talk
to
you
about
that.
They're
designs
for
these
toilets
can
be
attractive,
safe
and
economic
there's.
A
number
of
advances
have
been
made
in
how
toilets
are
designed
and
they
make
a
big
difference
for
how
people
use
them
and
how
people
feel
about
them.
M
The
interiors
can
resist
vandalism
and
for
easy
cleaning.
I
received
a
picture
one
today
that
was
an
article
from
Atlanta,
but
one
today
that
was
quite
amazing
and
I've,
sent
it
to
councillor
bleh
and
councillor
ugly,
and
the
other
problem
of
course,
is
toilets
for
people
who
are
severely
disabled.
We
have
none
in
the
city
in
Glasgow,
they
have
40.
So
we
made
a
number
of.
We
have
a
number
of
suggestions
for
the
planning
committee
and
that
network
might
be
able
to
be
developed
and
the
first.
M
So,
when
you're
looking
at
developments
like
the
windmill
development,
consideration
that
were
toilets
going,
who
pays
for
them
is
absolutely
crucial
with
the
transportation
committee
policy
definitely
needs
to
be
developed
around
the
provision
of
public
toilets
and
we've
made
that
pitch
to
transit
into
transportation
committee.
But
we
have
opportunities
in
stage
two
in
Park
and
Ride
lots
and
in
other
major
bus
line
locations
to
make
sure
that
those
happen
there
needs
to
be
requests,
a
requirement
that
large
parks
and
public
buildings
have
at
least
one
toilet.
M
That's
unisex,
accessible
and
has
street
access
that
can
be
opened
when
programming
is
closed
as
we've
reduced
recreational
programs
in
parks,
for
example,
we've
reduced
access
to
many
of
the
toilets,
as
we
were
just
hours
and
libraries
we've
reduced
access
to
toilets.
So
we
think
that
there
could
be
retrofits
of
some
of
these
buildings
to
make
them
have
at
least
one
unit
available.
M
The
other
thing
that's
of
concern
to
your
committee
is
the
an
understanding
that
open,
accessible
public
toilets
in
part
fit
the
definition
of
expanded
recreational
opportunity
when
you're
looking
at
the
allocation
of
development
charges
right
now,
it's
not
considered
to
fit
and
the
park
lagged
under
either
Strathcona,
where
this
would
make
a
big
difference.
There
are
ways
that
development
charges
could
be
used
to
build
them.
M
We
are
asking
for
the
creation
of
an
interactive
map
like
this
one
in
London
have
them
in
many
many
other
cities
like
Seoul
and
Sydney,
indicating
where
public
toilets
are
available.
There
are
hours
of
operation,
there,
accessibility
and
that's
basically
the
end
of
our
presentation
to
you
unless
there's
questions
madam
chair,
thank.
B
M
If
I
could
just
say,
I
do
think
is
a
the
consideration
of
what
the
public
will
have.
Access
to
toilets
is
a
very
important
part
of
the
planning
of
any
new
development,
and
at
this
point
we
don't
think
that's
part
of
it
and
that
we
think
it's
important
consideration
for
your
committee.
So
I
just
appreciate
your
time.
Thank.
N
First,
the
need
to
modify
the
Mandate
of
the
Heritage
subcommittee
so
that
it
is
empowered
to
advise
on
all
aspects
of
heritage
in
relation
to
applications
under
the
Planning
Act,
not
just
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
that's
making
it
similar
to
other
Ontario
Municipal
heritage
advisory
committees
and
we're
going
to
be
submitting
some
detailed
comments
on
that
to
the
mandate
review
for
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
in
the
next
month
to
increase
the
city's
financial
capacity
to
to
address
developing
proposals
for
priorities
of
heritage
interest
and
in
heritage
conservation
districts
in
a
more
timely
manner.
Considerably.
N
Now
ask
the
question
of
Leslie
Collins
today.
Why
was
it
that
the
business
of
the
designating
the
barb
use
came
so
late
in
the
process?
And
it's
so
late,
because
we
don't
have
the
resources
in
our
heritage
planning
section
to
be
proactive
to
do
that
type
of
those
properties
that
we
should
be
considering
for
designation.
N
By
the
previous
council
and
hope
that
that
will
continue
and
that
you
have
the
resources
for
city
staff
to
continue
that
the
current
budget
for
the
oversubscribed
heritage
grant
program
for
building
restoration
is
an
excellent
incentive
for
citizens
to
restore
heritage
properties.
It
currently
a
monster
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
between
30
and
35
property
owners
to.
N
B
You
very
much
and
I
think
that
miss
Maitland
thank
you
for
staying
during
the
morning,
but
certainly
we've
made
great
strides
in
our
you
know:
focus
on
heritage
and
support
of
heritage
and
working
with
the
Heritage
community.
I.
Thank
you
for
coming
out
today
and
for
continuing
to
do
so.
Thank
you,
mr.
B
R
B
M
Thanks
I
won't
actually
start
by
commending
the
city
and
the
the
housing
staff
at
the
city
for
the
amount
of
support
that
we
in
the
sector
have
received
for
the
last
several
years.
I
wanted
to
tell
you
a
good
news
story
in
2014,
I
multi-faith
has
initiative
who
I
represent,
won
the
action,
Ottawa
investment,
affordable
housing
and
we
have
received
a
substantial
amount
of
money,
including
some
quickstep
money
which
will
allow
us,
but
to
build
98
200
more
units
for
the
focus
on
families.
M
M
M
What
I'm
saying
is
that
working
with
us
is
a
better
way
to
go
and
us
working
with
you
as
a
better
way
to
go
and
we've
really
kind
of
focused
on
that.
We
put
together
a
sector-wide,
an
initiative
called
broadening
the
base
where
we're
looking
at
how
to
leverage
different
monies
out
of
the
sector
to
support
affordable
housing
in
the
city.
M
The
city
has
a
10-year
plan
that
you're
working
towards
the
end
of
homelessness
in
the
city
for
the
next
over
the
next
ten
years,
and
we
all,
as
I,
said
before,
we're
all
working
together
and
we're
asking
you
to
stay
the
course.
The
loss
of
the
four
million
out
of
capital
investment
into
operational
will
have
an
impact.
B
I
I
I'll
just
reiterate
something
that
I
said
when
I
was
sitting
I,
think
probably
in
this
chair
last
year,
and
that
was
how
incredibly
proud
I
was
of
the
leadership
that
this
council
took
in
addressing
homelessness
and
housing
and
I
to
actually,
as
the
executive
director
of
Ottawa
solace
benefited
from
similar
monies
and
we're
building
a
42
unit,
building
in
Ottawa
South
that
actually
will
be
hopefully
going
up
this
summer
and
over
the
course
of
the
fall
five
million
dollars
of
that
came
from
the
city.
And
that's
what
an
answer
to
your
earlier
question.
I
That's
what
that
money
gets!
You
is
home
for
42
people,
not
a
temporary
shelter
who
are
doing
the
best
in
this
city
to
meet
an
unmet
need,
but
an
actual
home
where
someone
can
go
in
the
door
lock
that
door
and
it's
their
place.
They
have
their
own
mailbox.
They
make
their
own
friends
they
choose
when
they
can
come
and
go
and
for
our
clientele,
which
is
exclusively
people
who
are
severely
and
persistently
mentally
ill.
That
is
a
huge
success.
I
It
allows
them
to
do
all
kinds
of
things
that
they
didn't
think
possible
before,
because
they
have
a
place
that
they
can
call
their
home
and
in
congratulating
council
last
year.
For
that
bold
step
of
the
14
million
I
would
urge
you
to
continue
that
trend.
It's
not
just
for
bragging,
because
at
the
time,
that's
basically
what
I
referred
to
when
we're
out
there
speaking
at
conferences
and
events
and
challenging
other
cities
to
follow
Ottawa's
lead.
The
first
thing
that
comes
out
of
people's
mouths
is
Ottawa.
I
Yes,
Ottawa,
nothing,
coober,
not
Calgary,
not
those
big
light
cities.
This
city
took
tremendous
leadership
and
a
risk
when
it
committed
to
14
million
dollars,
which,
for
many
of
us
in
our
private
lives,
doesn't
sound
like
much.
Except
this
morning,
I
spent
an
hour
entertaining
a
potential
benefactor,
and
the
first
question
he
asked
me
was:
how
much
does
the
city
putting
forward
and
I
am
very
proud
of
how
I
answered
him?
I
B
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
out
and
thank
you
for
being
a
champion
for
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
Ottawa,
and
that's
really,
if
you
think
about
it,
for
those
of
us
that
have
been
around
I,
guess,
there's
working
around
this
table,
it's
just
really
councillor
Kadri
and
shurelya
myself
before
mayor
Watson
became
the
mayor
we
didn't
have
that
focus
and
that
investment,
and
that
was
one
of
his
pillars
of
the
first
time
that
he
did.
He
ran
yes,
welcome.
R
Thank
you
good
morning,
so
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
Eli's
to
end
homelessness
representing
approximately
50
organizations
in
our
city,
the
serve
individuals
were
homeless,
honorably
housed
or
on
pathways
to
stability
through
affordable
and
supportive
housing
of
late
I
want
to
step
back.
I
want
to
step
back
for
a
second
and
talk
about
how
of
late.
I
have
actually
been
feeling
an
incredible
amount
of
hope
and
feeling
a
positive
momentum
in
our
city,
community
and
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
what
is
happening
is
happening
within
that
context.
Obviously,
this
has
been
frustratingly
long.
R
Winter
we've
come
through
a
holiday
season
where,
once
again,
we
see
the
incredible
commitment,
a
community
to
try
to
contribute
to
solutions
and
there's
a
fantastic
charitable
response
that
we
see
every
holiday.
I
would
also
say
that
well
sometimes,
there's
a
heaviness
in
discussions
of
homelessness.
I
think
my
recently
I've
been
seeing
a
positive
sense.
Not
that
not
a
question
of
whether
we
can
end
homelessness,
but
a
branding
of
the
base
of
support
towards
finding
solutions
to
do
exactly
that.
R
I
think
people
our
community,
are
looking
for
a
collective
space
where
their
contribution
can
make
a
difference
and
if
they
are
out
of
hope
in
current
and
recent
research,
because
we
are
fortunate
to
have
a
growing
body
of
encouraging
evidence
that
points
to
a
possible
future
where
homelessness
does
not
need
to
be
the
status
quo
and
I
point
to
that
has
been
repeated
several
times
this
morning.
The
creation
of
a
10-year
plan
and
the
14
million
dollar
housing
an
almost
disinvestment
plan
that
has
been
helping
to
guide
that
you
know.
R
Work
I,
truly
am
quite
happy
to
speak
of
the
city's
lead
role,
your
role
as
a
lead
partner
in
all
of
this
work,
indeed,
establishing
the
14
million
hip
in
2011
was
aboard
ambitious
and
robust
instrument.
It
was
a
leading
policy
and
program
move
the
municipalities
across
the
province
of
Ontario,
knowing
that
this
was
drawing
from
upload
money
could
have
only
dreamed
of.
It
was
this
56
million
increase
from
2011
to
2014
that
have
made
all
kinds
of
new
housing
units,
rent
supplements
and
so
on
possible,
and
that
has
paid
off.
R
There's
curiosity
there's
a
lot
of
questions
about
this
two
million
in
new
investment
that
was
promised
in
the
election
campaign.
Why
is
it?
Why
is
it
not
here
curiosity
why
the
city
is
proposing
to
reallocate
dollars
from
one
area
within
the
housing
homelessness
envelope
areas
there
were
new
investments
towards
inflationary
pressures
elsewhere.
Of
course,
it's
important
that
we
protect
our
social
housing
investments
of
years
past.
That's
a
positive
step,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
enough
for
us
to
get
ahead
in
the
last
few
years
alone.
R
Individuals
and
groups
have
worked
hard
to
get
the
city
to
see
development
charges
for
affordable
housing.
We
fought
hard
to
increase
the
prudential
homelessness
dollars
and
chippy.
We
fought
how
to
increase
investments
in
affordable
housing
and
now
to
see
the
city
of
drawing
on
these
resources
to
counter
an
inflationary
pressure
and
fill
other
gaps
is
a
little
bit
frustrating
the
political
direction
for
this
cost
neutrality
is
challenging
in
the
concepts
with
ever-growing
need.
In
2013,
you
adopted
our
city's
10-year
plan.
R
We
are
through
2015
gonna,
be
one
fifth
of
the
way
through
that
plan
and
with
the
measures
proposed
in
this
budget,
we
wonder
in
order
to
complement
the
ten-year
aspirations
that
are
embedded
in
the
plan.
I
guess.
Perhaps
we
had
a
long
term
investment
plan
to
make
a
ten-year
aspirations
reality.
How
do
I
need
to
know
the
new
inflationary
pressures
won't
come
around
how
we
might
fill
gaps
in
2015?
What
do
we
do
in
2016,
17
and
18?
The
10-year
plan
is
premise,
tapana
hope
for
future
cost
savings
with
ending
chronic
homelessness.
R
We
can
reinvest
dollars
currently
funding
our
emergency
response
into
new
preventative
efforts.
Yes,
the
city
and
we
working
with
you-
are
working
hard
to
transition
to
a
system
that
adequately
and
appropriately
recognizes
housing
first,
but
we
can't
get
there
overnight
and
we
can't
get
there
if
we
are.
If
we
stop
investing
in
solutions,
we
can't
get
there
without
holding
to
the
investment
that
you
began
in
2011.
R
So
in
closing,
I
guess
I
affirm
that
you
have
been
the
lead
and
we
look
forward
to
you
being
the
lead
on
an
ongoing
basis.
It
allows
us
to
it
at
broadening
the
base
of
support,
rather
than
spending
so
much
energy
to
protect
the
resources.
We
have.
We've
been
hearing
a
lot
about
how
2015
is
to
be
feared.
Momentum
for
Ottawa.
We
are
be
sure
that
this
momentum
is
there
for
people
on
pathways
to
housing
solutions
as
well.
We
know
the
strategic
initiatives
are
still
coming
thanks.
B
C
P
You
for
the
opportunity,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
I
just
want
to
ask
you
a
question
like
I,
read
a
lot
of
what
you
put
out
and
I
think
in
the
area
of
this.
What
I'm,
gathering
out
of
these
presentations
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
in
agreement
with
this
I,
take
the
position
that,
while
mr.
P
Barrie
and
his
people
do
an
awesome
job
with
what
we
do
give
them
to
deal
with
funding
I'm
hearing
stories
today
about
how
the
group
before
you,
for
example,
were
able
to
leverage
the
money
so
instead
of
the
city
building
and
running
the
houses
that
maybe
we
need
to
start
looking
at
getting
better
leverage
out
a
little
bit
of
money
that
is
available
and
start
partnering
more
with
agencies.
Would
you
agree
to
that.
R
They
would
say
that
right
now,
I
mean
that
is,
in
my
view,
effectively
what
is
happening
right.
The
municipal
dollars
that
are
given
towards
new
development
are
being
used
by
housing
providers
like
those
referred
from,
and
many
others
to
leverage
additional
dollars
from
the
private
sector,
from
other
levels
of
government
and
so
on.
So
I
think
right
now.
The
seed
that
you
are
providing
is
hoping
to
do
that.
If
we
remove
that
seed
I
think
we
take
a
step
backwards,
agreed.
P
The
other
question
that
always
troubles
me
in
this
whole
discussion
on
affordable
housing
is
this
list
of
10,000
or
9,500
names,
and
we
call
it
all
homelessness
when
in
fact,
there's
not
very
many
of
those
people
that
are
homeless.
It's
it's
a
need
for
either
they
want
to
upsize
or
downsize.
It
could
be
to
seniors.
The
kids
are
gone
through
in
the
3-bedroom
they'd
like
to
go
to
something
smaller,
maybe
without
a
yard
that
they
would
have
to
maintain
and
so
on.
R
Are
what
every
household
I'm
at
least
has
in
common?
Is
that
they're
spending
more
than
30%
of
their
income
on
whatever
housing
arrangement
they
have?
We
also
know
that
within
that,
10,000
are
several
thousand
the
fall
under
special
priority
groups,
those
being
situations
or
violets
those
meeting
for
their
own
health
and
well-being
or
safety
a
new
place
to
live,
including
those
who
are
currently
living
within
our
shelter
system.
We
have
on
any
given
night
over
1,000
folks
in
our
shelter
system
alone,
let
alone
those
who
are
hidden
homeless.
B
B
Can
we
put
this
up
roadmap
I
know,
but
I
want
this
up.
We
have
a
technical
motion
that
counselor
vice
chair
attorney
is
going
to
be
moving
on
user
fees.
It's
actually
good
news,
and
but
otherwise
we
have
a
roadmap
and
what
I'm
gonna
suggest
that
we
do
with
our
smallest
budget
is
that
unless
you
have
I'm
going
to
say,
for
example,
user
fees,
we'll
have
the
technical
motion,
the
technical
motion
speaks
to
signs
yeah
go
ahead,
any.
O
B
So,
actually
the
what
were,
what
we're
doing
is
having
revenue
neutral.
We
don't
we're
not
making
money
on
their
signs
and,
surprisingly,
our
brand-new
signs
that
actually
show
people.
What
something
is
going
to
look
like
are
going
to
cost
us
less
money,
and
so
that's
really
why
we're
adjusting
adjusting
that
as
an
example
but
before,
but
so
just
to
finish,
how
we
would
do
that
I'm,
not
asking
you
to
vote
on
that.
Yet
I
just
needed
it
up
front.
Is
that
I'm
gonna
ask
a
favor.
Has
any
questions
of
staff
on
the
budget?
B
P
You,
madam
chair
first
off
question
for
mr.
Moser
presentation:
I
didn't
see
a
lot
about
plans
to
do
any
hiring
or
fill
any
vacancies.
Can
you
talk
to
that?
Like
we
know
in
the
past,
some
of
the
work
going
through
the
area
is
getting
delayed
because
there's
a
shortage
of
staff
and-
and
so
I'd
like
to
hear
if
you've
got
some
plan
and
that's
there's
enough
money
to
help.
You
bring
that
stuff
in
I'm.
T
Sure,
as
I
said,
the
presentation
we
are
not
looking
for
any
new
FTEs,
but
certainly
if
we
have
vacancies,
we
will
continue
to
fill
those
FTE.
So
so
some
areas
we,
you
know
we
have
some
vacancies,
I,
think
we
have
about
six
or
seven
vacancies
across
the
department
in
the
planning
area,
and
we
are,
you
know,
on
a
program
to
fill
those
so
in
terms
of
we're
dealing
with
the
other
resources
that
we
do
have
we're
not
looking
for
any
additional,
and
you
know
the
only
other
thing
I
would
say
in
in
the
budget.
T
We
have
been
one-time
items
that
we
had
to
help
us
with
some
of
the
of
the
planning
for
the
light
rail.
We
do
not
have
those
funds
anymore,
so
it
you
know
it's
gonna
limit
to
a
degree
ability
to
deliver
our
policy
plans,
but
you
know
we
will
deal
with
that
when
we
bring
for
our
work
program
to
committee
good.
Thank
you,
madam.
G
You
chair
just
on
that
that
last
point
through
you,
madam
chair
on
the
reduction
I,
guess
it
was
of
$745,000
in
policy
development
and
urban
design,
which
mr.
Moser
explained
by
saying
that
there's
more
focus
on
Tod
S
and
less
on
C
DPS.
As
far
as
I
understood,
would
mr.
Moser
have
any
thoughts
on
whether
or
not
this
reduction
is
going
to
impact
on
the
execution
of
CDP's?
So
we've
already
heard,
even
in
this
term
a
lot
of
communities
express
an
interest
in
fulfilling
a
CDP.
G
T
Madam
chair
I
think
the
short
answer
is
yes,
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
be
very
mindful
when
we
bring
forward
our
work
program
in
terms
of
what
we're
going
to
be
able
to
accomplish
over
this
this
term
of
counsel.
You
know
we
we
have
done.
You
know
we.
Certainly
over
the
last
term,
we
we
did
a
lot
created
a
lot
of
policy,
but
you
know
there's
still
up.
T
There
is,
if
you
will
a
list
that
we
could
still
go
into
in
terms
of
the
some
of
the
not
so
much
the
CDP's,
because
CDP's
we
use
for
their
ease
of
growth,
but
you
know
we.
We
certainly
have
interest
expressed
in
preps,
looking
at
some
of
the
older
cps
that
we
have
an
example
this
morning
where
mr.
Rawlin
spoke
about
interested
in
looking
at
the
existing
Sandy
Hill
plan,
which
was
we
have
done
many
many
years
ago,
but
you
know
we
will
be
limited.
I
mean
we've.
C
C
C
T
Madam
chair
understanding
that,
in
terms
of
the
council,
be
looking
at
strategic
initiatives
in
may/june
and
then
following
that,
we
would
then
come
and
have
a
discussion
on
the
work
program
for
this
committee
over
the
term
of
of
this
council.
So
we
haven't
worked
out
the
details
yet,
but
we
we
did
at
the
beginning
of
the
last
term
of
planning
committee.
We
did
go
off-site
and
talked
about
priorities.
I
the
chair
and
I
have
spoken
about
that
opportunity
as
well
this
time,
so
we'll
be
looking
to
do
that.
T
B
And
probably
because
everybody's
schedules
are
filling
up,
I
know
councillor
vice-chair
attorney
as
FCM
duties,
and
some
of
you
are
going
to
ask
who,
how
many
of
you
are
going
to
the
FCM
councillor,
Nussbaum
I,
think
counselor
Luce,
so
I
think,
and
that
is
the
end
of
May
1st
of
June.
So,
let's,
let's
fill
up
at
our
date,
Thank
You
anyone
else,
okay,
so
as
I
was
describing.
If
we
can
come
back
and
look
at
this
world
map
again
with
the
first
one
being
that
the
planning
committee,
this
is
moved
by
Councillor
tyranny.
B
The
planning
committee
recommends
that
council
City,
as
committee
of
the
whole,
approved
the
planning
committee
2015
draft
operating
capital
budget
as
follows.
The
first
one
is
the
planning
and
growth
man
excluding
Ontario
Building
Code
budget.
As
follows:
a
is
user
fees,
that's
pages
10
to
17.
We
do
have
the
technical
amendment
that
that
vice
chair
attorney,
move
on
the
technical
amendment
is
I'll
deal
with
that
separately
because
it
is
entirely
separate.
It's
fixing
it
up.
Is
that
Carrie?
Okay?
So
then
does
anyone
want
to
hold
pages
10
to
17?
B
B
Okay,
then,
on
the
planning
and
development
capital
program,
page
38,
with
the
individual
projects
listed
on
39.
Anyone
have
questions
on
that.
Is
that
Carrie?
Thank
you.
So
now
we're
into
Building
Code
services,
the
Ontario
Building
Code
budget
as
follows:
there
user
fees
on
our
on
page
26
to
28
Carrie
and
the
operating
resource
requirement
is
on
page
23
as
I
carry
okay
and
so
now
we're
going
to
the
affordable
housing
budget
as
follows:
a
is
the
operating
resource
requirement.
That's
on
page
30
that
Carrie
thank
you
and
the
capital
program.
B
Page
36,
individual
project
listed
on
page
37.
Is
that
carried?
It
is
good,
so
therefore,
just
make
sure
that
the
Planning
Committee
consider
the
relevant
portions
of
the
draft
2015
operating
and
capital
budgets
and
forward
its
recommendations
to
council
City
as
the
whole
for
a
consideration
that
means
to
be
held
on
Wednesday
March,
the
11th
carried.
R
B
We
got
it
we're
good
okay,
we
just
you,
know
yeah.
Well,
that's
the
sense
coming
towards
us.
You
know
that
you
take
that
pregnant
pause
because
very
very
likely.
Okay
types
SLE
one
that
could
be
pregnant
here.
Maybe
that's
the
wrong
terminology
that
notice
of
motion
any
notices
of
motion.
How
about
inquiries
can
I?
Ask
everybody.
We're
not
I
know
that
it
sounds
like
we're
having
a
good
time
up
here,
but
we're
not
finished
yet
increase
any
though
other
business.