Ottawa City Council Planning Committee, 25 Aug 2015

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Planning Committee meeting – August 25, 2015 – Audio Stream

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Okay, good morning, everyone, if I, can ask everybody to take their seats. Please.

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This is a public meeting to consider the proposed comprehensive official plan and zoning bylaw amendments listed as items one, five, six, seven, eight and fourteen on today's agenda for the items listed above. Only those who make all submission today or written submissions before the amendments are adopted may appeal the matter to the entero Municipal Board. In addition, the applicant may appeal the matter to the Ontario Municipal Board.

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If council does not adopt an amendment within 120 days of receipt of the application for zoning and 180 days for an official plan amendment, a comment sheet is available at the door for anyone wishing to submit written comments on these amendments or if you wish to speak to any other items on our report.

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So welcome everyone. That's the first past the gate. If you will planning me we're back to every two weeks, it's the little committee that keeps on givin, and so here we are on 25th any declarations of interest, none confirmation of minutes and those will be the minutes of July 7th 2015. Anyone have any changes or are they carried? Thank you.

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The minutes, the proteins of the CIL report, were very their simple deferral and there's no indication in the minutes as to whether it was being deferred for and so to have any comment on other than the audio that we could try to access, which is on and off at times, is their understanding as to what it was being deferred for.

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Mr. marks any comments on whether we need to add something to the deferral.

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So mr. chair forum, or madam chair, pardon me from for a purely legal perspective, the answer would be no. It is, of course, committees discretion as to whether or not they wish to insert a reason within the.

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You want to know, because.

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I thought that was part of the deferral motion last time, so.

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What are you thinking that you would like to add because I'm not looking for their.

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Elements to ensure that the report would contain the payback after a bridge financing and their elements to explore the.

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To everybody, and actually we receive no comments.

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Opinion as to what the final report should have but staff didn't ask members of committee yeah.

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Right in there to please come back with any comments, questions or anything in that memo, though, from.

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I did comment on the policy and I'm prepared to bring forward a motion with some amendments to the policy today.

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Which we're going to anyway, so thank you, so the minutes have been carry the first item was they postponed postponement in deferral from the 14:23 and 1449 Earl Armstrong, road and 4509, and 4515 line Bank, Road and.

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I've spoken with the counselor counselor cactus and yet at yesterday, and he has no objections to it at all. We do have a nephrology, OVA tech here. Does anyone have any questions.

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Well, we'll hold it then: okay, him I'm, holding cash and Lula Parkland of Policy amendments, designation of Lipsett house, 37, Oriole Drive in Roswell heights under part four of the Ontario Heritage Act. Anybody want to hold that or is it Carrie Carrie? Thank you updates to the City of Ottawa Heritage Register in Kitsch, asipi Ward I thought they were excellent examples. Does anyone have any questions want to hold that yours carried O'brien, Casa Grande is here on the next one?

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Okay, so that one's carried the register, zoning bylaw amendment 895, eagleson, Road and part of to Emerald Meadows Drive. We do have Brian Casa Grande from Fulton here on that item. Does anyone have any questions or see any need to not carry it? So mister Casa Grande? Where are you so? If the committee carries this item, you don't need to speak.

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Thank you very much. So as a carry thank you. Okay, Sonne bylaw amendment 33-23-33, 41 and 34 33, Navin Road and sixty three sixty Renault Road. We have no speakers any any questions from committee members. No is it Carrie? Thank you. Okay.

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We have a zoning bylaw amendment for parts of 90, Woodridge, Crescent and part of one other Bayshore Drive for the temporary parking lot for a two-year period for Bayshore. Does anyone have any questions on this? We have? No, we do have a speaker on this. Mr. Clark there there. You are no questions from. If committee is willing to carry this. Do you need to speak?

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Thank you very much. So was it carried? Thank you. Okay. Number 8. We have comprehensive zoning, bylaw 2008, 250 anomaly, amendments q3, 2015, pretty standard report. Does anyone have any questions about this? We don't have any speakers. Is it Kerry?

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Okay, number: nine front ending agreement for the tenth line pumping station sanitary overflow. We have no speakers on that and we don't need to defer it pardon.

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Madam chair, yes, we do need to defer okay.

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Who's here- and there is anyone here- a new audience for madami. Yes, mr. Murphy hi, all right so counselor tourney. Are you gonna move to furrow of the front ending agreement for the tenth line pumping station sanitary overflow? We check on some of the math here in this report so that we have a deferral. That's moved carried.

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Do we need just before we move on miss Fenton? Do we need to have longer than the next planning committee meeting madam chair I, believe that would be enough time for madam.

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E to confirm their budget.

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Okay, that's September the 8th great thank you.

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The next one will be holding an application to alter the city works, building, seven baby Road, a property protected under part for the entero Heritage Act, holding that one okay and will be also holding item number 11, which is the designation of Champlain oil gas station at 70, Richmond Road under part for the entero Heritage Act, remember, 12 has been withdrawn and that was the application to alter 122 daily Avenue, a property designator part 5 of the entero Heritage Act and located in the Sandy Hill West Heritage, Conservation District. So that's been withdrawn.

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Okay number 13 is the application to alter the transportation building, which is dorito Center at ten meadows, Center Street a properly designated part for the entero Heritage Act. Does anyone have any questions? We have no speakers on that one. Does anyone have any questions.

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That's Kerry, thank you and lastly, we have the Official Plan and zoning bylaw amendment 411 Cola by drive, that's the Westin and we have the applicant is here to speak. Does anybody on ston committee have any questions? Are you no miss Wallace? If committee is willing to carry this? Are you okay not to speak? Okay? So is this item Carrie? Thank you very much.

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Okay, we'll go back to the beginning, which is questions that counselor leaper has on the new shopping center, at line Bank and Earl Armstrong, and speaking to that Cheryl Cheryl, Cheryl, Cheryl, McWilliams and she's joined by Louise, sweet Lindsay and by Miss neden Leanne Sneden questions yeah.

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Thank you, madam chair, just a couple of very brief questions, and the reportedly made mentioned that the proponents had was unwilling to remove some of the parking spots in order to meet one of the recommendations of the urban design review panel. I think it was some of the proposed landscaping that the you DRP had recommended I'm just curious. How many spots would the proponent have lost had they followed the DRP recommendation.

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I'm sorry, but I really don't know the answer to that I'm filling in for why the other planners so I'm familiar.

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With his owning aspects, but that was really being.

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Looked at in more detail through the site plan control application, which is not yet approved for this site. Okay,.

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I we'll kick back to hard at this, but I think it is important. You know whenever the EDR P is making recommendation that we're doing everything possible to to try to follow it. I was just worried about the the north east side of the the proposed development. Is there any kind of pedestrian access that's been proposed in order to get people from the the residential area just across into the into the development.

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Mosquito Creek runs through there and it's a fairly significant.

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Environmental and geotechnical slope issue with that part of mosquito Creek.

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So we at this point would not be looking at having.

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Any sort of pedestrian crossing it would be a fairly significant bridge.

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Facility that would have to be constructed to to provide that access and.

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That was my third question, so it is intended to be a fairly natural landscape, not manicured it all just left banks as much a natural state as possible. I'm sure, thank you. That was all the questions. I have any.

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Questions. Thank you. Anyone else have any questions. So is this item carry carry? Thank you very much. Thank you. Just stop! Okay, so casually the Franklin policy amendments part did from July the 7th and who's going to be speaking to that Mr. Curry. Are you speaking to that? Let's say oh and mr. Shen yay dan, you should come forward.

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Mr. Mizzy missed you, everybody. Mr. Moser, it's a it's a party.

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Okay, we're not having a presentation, because we had one from the recently departed for Italy Jake Rupert at the last meeting, so we're going to go to know. First of all, who would like to speak to this pen, sir he'll be is first councillor Brockington.

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Councilor trying to chinko councillor Ali anybody else. Do you want to speak to it? Katherine.

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Okay, we'll go to counselor hubely first for questions, comments, motion, etc. Thank.

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You, madam chair, my intent, is lost these questions and then I do have a motion. Time I've been forward.

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Three parts of the report that, like staff to address one, is the suggestion that we'd be able to advance projects on the lifecycle risk using CIL funds. Currently, all the projects on the lifecycle is get funded. Those are decisions that are made in the budget year, depending on what money's available and so on and and the priorities set. Therefore, using the CIL funds to fund future projects is a guarantee or sorry, what's a guarantee of a theory create a process that would circumvent the normal budget process.

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So I'd like to hear from staff how they they think that this.

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Distance, the projects were funding this security. So could you somebody address that point? How you don't see this as circumventing the department process, foods.

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Here I think the city treasurer respond to that question.

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In the back, so the normal budget process counselor the allocation, the envelope that is allocated for park redevelopment or improvement is set each year and the projects are identified. You can only do that for basically the term though so it doesn't circumvent the pole, the budget process, because the envelope wouldn't change. All that would happen would be that a project that would be identified as being on the list to be done in 2018.

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If the counselor was so fortunate as to have enough cash Indian parkland in their account, they could say I'd like to accelerate that and have that done in 2016, so it doesn't circumvent the budget process. What it does is it creates for ISD who has who have to basically manage all these projects. They would have whatever the normal phenomenal budget in that year to do plus they would add on any that get accelerated by counselors.

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We can assume that there's money attached to every single project when.

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We do the budget, we do a forecast for future years and that forecast reflects what we have available and what we will be proposing to have available in each of those years. So it's a balanced budget. It's not speculative in that we put a whole bunch of projects there that we won't be able to fund. We only put projects on that forecast list that we have funding for.

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No, we will have funding for in that time, so the risk is that there could be something could happen and in fact that could change, because all of a sudden we are increasing nearing your contribution every year to capital, but there could be a chance that council decides during the budget process that they're not going to make that additional contribution and then those projects additional some of those projects would be at risk. But it's not a it's, not a wish list. It's a list. We give them our funding envelope and they fill it with projects.

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You don't see a concern with if we do an advance on a project to use your scenario, use CIL funds this year to advance a project that's listed for 2018 and any of those economic indicators make changes between now and 2018, and we can't fund that project. You don't have a problem coming up at the money to reimburse the CIO, which will just continue to grow and forever.

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The project gets pushed back because of a change in economic indicators. Then I would say that the repayment would also be pushed back. So if the project was there in 2018 and you advanced it and then all of a sudden council decides they're not going to increase the contribution and a project has to drop out through their priority listing.

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Isd would say these are the projects we can now afford and if that project, that god advanced now gets pushed into 2019, the from repayment would happen in 2019. That's the risk. The counselor takes.

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Yeah, that seems like an awful big risk and make an assumption here that counselors, that don't have a lot of CIL funds would be totally left out of any part renewal projects, because all the focus will now go on counselors that have the CIL funds to do this.

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Is d-does? There determines what needs to be done on a priority basis, not on who can fund it. So they look at the work that needs to be done and the highest priority gets done first, regardless of what word that is in okay,.

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Thank you. The committee will make a decision based on that I'm sure. So. My second question is counselors are usually the lead on sponsorship files during the last term, the council. We really need the awards. The sponsorship program, which I think comes out of mr. Sinise area and counselors, have embraced this way to do community improvements to quote and find partners within the communities. Local businesses, people like better community associations, I, want to do improvements in their communities. Typically, that involves on major projects and also major being more than $10,000.

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That involves some recognition by the city for people's contributions to those, whether it's a play, structure, spots pad or whatever, maybe tend to recognize the ones that are making those contributions.

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This report suggests that counselors should not be allowed to be recognized on those blocks or make those the CIL funds with the counselors name on it. Only the mayor's name and I find out.

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You suggested that counselors we're using this to promote themselves. It's it's a community improvement. I. Think everybody around this table goes into these arrangements with their partners to try to improve their community. It's not all about two hundred thousand dollars bad in the community. Just so one of us can put our name on it. So I would like to move the motion and I hope community will support it, but if it's 10k and above even as it is and never allowed to recognize the sponsors and the counselors can sign that.

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Thank you guide to those sponsors which is basically the plot, so I'm curious if you'd like to speak to it as to where that came from or if you're just happy with that amendment, then that's great we'll go forward with it.

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Mr, curry, are you doing this for sure.

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Just for clarification, counselor, there is no specific delineation of between mayor and counselor. In the report, the recommendation came from our consultations. Members of counsel said that they didn't want the cash no parkland fund spent on the promotion of anyone, and so that's why staff brought forward that recommendation. Certainly, we would continue to put plaques on major capital projects for existing policy in Parks and Rec. It is we wouldn't that, wouldn't that funny wouldn't come from cash in the parkland funds. It would rather come from their total project cost and.

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The way again arose that I find very objectionable is that you're suggesting this is some kind of promotional money. It's a thank you we're putting a thank you out to the people that paid for this, because we couldn't do this through the tax base. We've gone up to our community partners to provide us with benefits to the community and and they're, not something simple. It's something over 10k to me as a serious contribution to our community.

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I think there was two different things. You said, though, I.

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That the one where we were you started talking about sponsorship, where you're right counselors are very active. Councillor Wilkinson raised 750,000 dollars, working with rich Kraft for her Center and the mental rec center I worked with out and we've all done that in our wards and I. Think that that's different than have been there's two things here. That is permitted, certainly to have thank you to witchcraft Mentos what and have the appropriate name on as well, because you're doing the thinking and my right on that that that's currently them mr. Sanyal. Yes,.

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Show you alright, but for our sponsorship programs we do as a matter of course, negotiate and then include a thanks to the sponsor. In fact, the sponsorship program does have a budget for activation sponsorships, which includes that, for example, at the Mentos bar Haven, complex signage, both external internal, a variety of things that are negotiated with a sponsor to make sure they're properly recognized for their contribution. Right.

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Now, because the whole name is that, but the other part that you brought up counselor here, we if I'm correct, is that if and and I think that I've seen this somewhere over the summer if a project is totally funded through CIL, that is put forward by any of the counselors around this table or on council. Then in that case, if you, if it's the CI out from the particular ward, then there would not be a plaque correct.

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So, for example, I'm putting four hundred thousand dollars towards a skateboard park, I've been trying to save the money for three years. If I went and I said to one of the developers or to one of the large retail corporations Walmart whatever and I said, would you be interested in making this a lot better by adding three hundred and fifty thousand dollars or something? Then that's a sponsorship. But if it's just my contribution of the cios for a bar, Haven ward, then there wouldn't be any plaque. Is that correct? So.

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Let me give you a specific example gun. Madam chair, we did improvements to our ball field.

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We were able to find a community partner that was willing to put in a new scoreboard dugouts for the the little leaguers to get them out of the Sun, provide them some shade. You know they did some repairs to the fencing over.

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$35,000 there was no money in any budget to pay for a plot to thank the donor for doing that. So I took it upon myself to do that through the CIL funding, because it was a park, improvement I. Believe mr. Sangay helped me figure out how to do all that, but we had to use that.

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Project, if you will so the concern I, believe that that report was to do with smaller purchases of say, a thousand five thousand dollars small items that you know, someone might put plots all over the the award on something like that and I think we're all in agreement that we don't want to do that. I. Don't think this policy, however, is where we fix that I would suggest to committee members and and to council that we'll fix that in midterm governance.

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When we talk about our code of conduct, a simple change to what you're allowed to spend during the blackout period could have fixed that problem that we're trying to deal with there so I'll be bringing that up at midterm.

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Here, I'd like to have this policy amended to say that 10k and above on sponsorship files that we continue to do the plaques and if they're CIL funding being mixed in there, as you suggest that you know you're in partnership here as long as the contribution is more than 10k, that we be allowed to recognize that with a plaque.

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If the decision is made by the board councilor, who is elected, to make those decisions in that area by the people of that area, if the decision was made to do it, then I think it should be supported by the policy. That's what I'm asking for on that one I hope people will agree to it, one more, which is the the process.

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Change a and I'll say this. The changes have been approved in the park planning process that will start from a project manager, role from the concept to delivery, to a new advisory function of identifying requirements for a park and then coming back into the process afterwards after the park has completed to ensure that those requirements are not the the purpose of that was to allow us to speed up the work in parks. Council deeply. Can you tell us so you know you and I've talked about this.

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You've had delays waiting for park planners to be available to help you with projects. The whole idea of that change was to free up staff so that they could deal with the backlog. While we allow the developers to take on the responsibility to build those parks at the standards that we set, so what those changes I'm not trying to understand why we are still looking for three additional staff and a secondary question to that is I'm, hoping that the ratio throughout the department is not one manager.

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The two staff, which is what suggested in this report.

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Would be in parks, recreation in Tetra, and it's really.

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That was developed in 2012 that we recommended to Council was approved at the time and reflects the volume of, but the CIL funding stream has brought about, in addition to the regular capital budget stream and our grant and Community Partnership Program stream. That is.

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Certainly, since 2012 attest that there's been more to keep 2 FTEs I can also advise that the finding planners to do this matron. This type of work has been a challenge, especially with the positions being designated as only temporary.

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We have had difficulty attracting planners to the positions that are qualified and that can do the kind of work you're expecting. We've also had difficulty retaining them because, as soon as something comes in and that is permanent, they're gone and compounded with that is the collective agreement position that temporary positions. We can really only keep for up to a year.

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So those have been a challenge in keeping those positions, and that has resulted in some delays in dealing with the see I have projects that are coming at us and we can foresee that for the coming year, when we were some of the Canada 150 projects and the other.

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Pieces that we consultation.

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Fun staff positions to CIL funding versus to the normal budget process. That's supposed to supply enough staff to get the jobs done. The.

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Chair this was a strategy identified in 2012, an approved by council. As a way of addressing this new pressure and having.

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Reflect the fact that part of the cost of projects.

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And the growth should pay for it, and so that has not changed in this report. We were still saying we both should pay for growth.

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Is that looking to the operating budget or tax-supported probably be a difficult thing to achieve, given the constraints, and so the department's ability to add to FTEs at the player level is in this budget, climate I thought.

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There was a portion of every project that went towards staff costs, but when, when you say, growth phase, four goals, I thought we put that into the cost of the project to cover staff costs.

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We continue today get a 10%, maybe added to them, and those funds pay for the two positions that we're talking about. Okay,.

C

That's already came through the DC by our review to where we made that change that developers now take on the park, because we find they will build them. You know there was examples. Council plays not here today, but Bolivia an example of waiting 10 years for a park, because planners and other reasons we made that change in the review to allow developers to build those parks, a lot quicker because there's obviously benefits to them and to our communities to have the parks done.

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A lot quicker should not reduce the workload for these planners because there were project managers before I know. In my five years here, I've seen where so again, I.

B

Everybody has the five minute turn so I'm going to ask you to finish.

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Finish because then, just to let you know, councillor Ali, it's not as trying to speak, but he has a point of order that he wants to bring up and I'm going to ask mr. Michael coming on.

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I'll just make this one thing in us. Mr. Chan, you dance. My experience has been that the planners are almost project managers like they have been very involved in delivering the parks weight from start to finish.

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You know I, remember of these planners quite quite broad, because they've spent a lot of time in my office, because I've got some great parks built to my terminal council here and so I'm very proud of them, but they're doing a lot of work that I didn't think would have been part of the pipeline or duty, and so this move- and this can open the DC bylaw I saw. This- is something that so you made their jobs better and got them back to doing what we hired them to do and design and plan the parks.

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And maybe what the answer here, madam chair, is that we extend these temporary projects to the net budget cycle and see if those changes have made any difference in the workload this year. And if so, then maybe we have to picked us up in the budget process.

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I'm Chili's we're talking about if.

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You will two different types of parks, the one we did through the development charge about overall the new parks. So that is a separate if.

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You will Department planning group management deals with those new parks. Mr. sho-me shops deals with the existing.

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Parks so as we're talking about today in terms of.

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Cashing money, we read.

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And of the park, so the there was no if he will no benefit to mr.

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Shen a shot from the change in the development charges, dialogue because, basically, there's two different.

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Sets of party ciphers in it, so mr. Shen has a space for both I thought we had switched over to the planning, but the rehabilitation of both parks for.

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With mr. shanly sharp and the game, part of the funds do come from the cash in lieu of.

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The motion for those three changes of touch and.

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Just to be clear to everybody there you know assembly representing a growth ward I have contributed CIL funding to brand-new parks where there wasn't enough money to really do what the community wanted. Simple things like trees and that we just run out of money, adding a feature of swing, adding a gazebo on brand-new Coburn a park as a perfect example. Splash pad and they're raising money in the community supplementing a new park with some CIL so does happen that way too. But today what we're talking about is the is the typical CIL.

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Now councillor Shirley had a point of order. Just you don't really have to make it a point of order. Just say what you want to speak just.

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In the the first part of the motion, when you talk about plaquing- and you have the situation, you want to exist for the next year and a half, and then you want it subject to review by midterm governance, review I think it. The motion has to actually say that it will be reviewed material.

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Walking it was the the issue that I think we were trying to deal with with this policy with respect to smaller items for over 10,000 and spending during the election period, we can deal with.

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Consideration at midterm that.

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Would be Putin, madam chair, so.

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Perhaps you could yes.

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Madam chair thank.

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Which one there's a promotional after this is not promotional. This is a thank you to the sponsors and so I made it clear, but I guess not because it's.

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Also, historical.

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Historical well, a.

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Lot of plaques we have on buildings, people like to go around and see who was around at that time, who was part of it when you, when you do anything from Lansdowne to Miracle League, to anything like that at some point in the future, people want to see what was happening back then and I. Don't think we should stop doing it just because you know one member of council commemorated themselves so.

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Councillor hubely: what? Because you only the first speaker, they have a lot of speakers I'm going to suggest you have a look at this and then recommend changes because I think what's problematic. Is that any items that could be perceived as promotional there's a different way of writing that and I think that it's I think that it's.

C

Mr. mark, we should put something here about refer to a midterm. Kevin done a part together and get it circulate. Okay,.

B

So you take the time to do that and we're now it's councillor Brock, oh so.

C

Say you talk amongst yourselves.

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The long list can start talking councillor brockington, followed by councillor Turner chenko.

K

I would appreciate if you would all listen intently, that what I'm about to say now I want to thank staff personal for bringing this report to us. I think it's very important to on a cyclical basis, review our policies and bylaws and I think this is smart, and certainly there have been issues in the past that have been brought to the public's attention that I think have also contributed to the need just to review the policy and talk about what's best moving forward.

K

So I appreciate the dialogue that we're having here this morning and I do have a number of questions as well. Councillor hubli, as has touched upon some, which I will skip first of all, I want to flag on page to you talk staff talks about you will provide more information to councillors on priority projects, plan for future use the funding, that's critical for me to know what sort of a medium to long term plans are in our awards.

K

So I can share that with the community talk about what the timelines are talk about with potential sponsors. What projects are coming and also you know what not is on staff's radar screen so again, I can develop a plan moving forward. So I wanted to fly that and let you know how important that is.

K

Skip over one point for a second, the the percentage by the formula that's used to distribute funds to the city accounts versus the reward account the 60/40 split. Can you just elaborate on how that number was derived.

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Discussion when the policy was I think in 2009 we reviewed the discussion in terms of what was the appropriate split.

C

Between the ward in citywide there's, some discussion of.

J

A 50/50 split between citywide and the wards and when the policy was approved by council, the decision was taken to split 6040 to be able to have used within the ward to to develop parks or redeveloped parks. So that was.

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That was the decision in terms of you know,.

C

This does not took place and again the majority going to look to the ward as opposed to citywide. Thank.

K

You one concern that I have about amending the policy to now allow funds to go into repairing or renewing lifestyle replacement projects which, up until now, have not been permitted is that we could run the risk that some words will have Cadillac style perks, because counselor led funds have a large number of funds available to them. My concern in River Awards is twofold.

K

Number one is I, have basically nothing in my account to draw from, and secondly, I have in the segments of my ward, very needy communities, which would always struggle to raise these funds and I draw on my experience as a school board trustee seeing various school councils struggle to raise funds for various initiatives within that school community, and we saw time and time again other school communities which were in affluent areas or had a much more involved school council able to raise tens of thousands.

K

There are some schools that raise hundreds of thousands of dollars in a given year and they are able to offer their communities a much more fulsome offering and so I'm concerned that, if my funds are now going to go toward so at least I'll have the ability to repair and renew Park assets in reward. I have nothing to contribute to that.

K

I probably will have nothing of significance to contribute this entire term of council, because there's so limited building or development in my ward to begin with the contributions to get anyone, a even a a simple play structure will take years to contribute to, and yes, the account is now out of deficit, but were about ten thousand dollars. I think the last report said so.

K

This is a concern of mine that there may be Wars just by the fact that some wards are and I put quotes on this blessed with development and able to generate a significant contribution to this to this fund that they will be able to keep pace with the needs of their community and there going to be other words that just simply can't do that.

K

So I would like to ask staff their comment on whether it would be acceptable to amend the formula used that directs funds to certain wards from 6040 to 100% for live award for this term of counsel, and the intent would be strictly to rebuild. An account that has been completely exhausted for I would defend very legitimate projects. The monies that were used last term of council any reward for Parks and Rec improvement were needed and were dispersed throughout the ward.

K

But if we're now going to amend a policy to allow all councillors to identify repair, renew or lifecycle work I'm at a significant disadvantage, because I have no funds and one way to address that is not to use taxpayer dollars but as to amend the formula so that when development takes place and monies do come in, we can fast track that development. By amending before for this term of counsel. So I'd like a comment on the feasibility of this I.

B

Think that that is actually something that staff are going to make a comment on your suggestion that you be allowed to have you know a different position than the rest. I think you do have some money in your account right now, it's in the positive. What is it do you know my.

K

Understanding it's about ten thousand, but I could be wrong.

B

So unless this staff wants to comment on it, I don't think it's fair to put that to them. If mr. Simo do you have any comment, the.

F

Memo that went out I think at the end of June, showed seventy five hundred in his account.

B

Okay, so please carry on, but it's not. It wouldn't be fair to have them comment.

K

I want to make sure it's legal. No one said it's, it's not something that can't be done, but mr. maryk.

B

Morning an exception for one word.

K

Madam chair I, don't think I could say it's illegal.

E

It is highly unusual.

K

I'm raising a flag that, if the policy what the proposal the proposed amendments did not include renewal, lifecycle, repair work which were not included up until now. I probably would be okay, not proposing this idea, but, like I, said I'm not going to be able to address any of those needs that exist either new needs or repair needs because there's no money. We just went through the priority initiative in July and mr.

K

Cheney indicated that counselors had 75 million dollars of new initiatives and there's a two million dollar pot that highlights the needs that exist in our community that we can't even address. My challenge is, as I've said many times, there are no funds to do that. So I need to think of innovative ways without going to the taxpayer to address the issues that exist in my community. Well,.

B

I can tell you that one new program from the province that would probably help you in the at-risk communities that you represent is a community hub program that they've just launched I. Think mr. minister and act.

B

They certainly sent me some information on it and I will actually be meeting in Toronto in a middle of September on that and some other stuff and I see that, as some arbitrators I think those are the opportunities, but also staff did talk about how they look at the city holistically and they prioritize projects as as from the highest that are necessary. So perhaps for you, you need to be if you're aware of situations and if you haven't already met with mr.

B

Chen yeh and probably you have and and certainly other you know, you have other partners as well in some of those areas. I think that that's the way I mean I can't speak for committee and council, but I as as mr. Marc said, it would be rare to have that sort of an exception made for one and if you look at the balances of and remembering that this is the first time we've ever been allowed to spend money on life cycle. So none of us have ever had that opportunity before it's interesting.

B

Did you have anything else that you wanted to say sorry to interrupt? You no.

K

I mean I've I've provided a fulsome list for the Canada 150, just like everyone else. Provincial funding that recently came out at mr. Shannon I've met many times. He's well aware of the needs in my ward and I continue to meet with many community partners in the grand scheme of things. Even if the formula was changed, it's probably an extra twenty five hundred dollars.

K

So you know that's two thirds of a park bench so I wouldn't be receiving a lot of new money, but I understand there would be a different formula used for one order over the others, and maybe that's open to debate and discussion. I'm gonna think about it between now and and council, madam chair and and maybe meet with staff to address this but I'm just putting the issues of my award on the table and everyone's well aware of the financial challenges that my account has for me and.

B

It goes the Council on September, 9th, okay, Thank You councillor Janko. Thank.

G

You very much and hearing both council hubely and Washington's comments so far. It just underlines how diverse this city is and the different needs of different awards and different situations. I can only speak with direct knowledge to to my own. A central award that has seen modest was a moderate info when compared to say kiss IPO or center town. We've got a.

G

You know medium amount of funds available to us in the cash in lieu fund, but it's there because, through very close consultation with my community associations, they've identified specific projects that they wanted to save money towards, so that when they have enough money was built up that work could be done. So what might like? Hey you've got a pot of gold that you're just sitting on you know waiting for the right day to spend. Rather that's been a conscious effort. Okay, we need to get to 120,000 to build something.

G

That's been identified as a specific need, and the situation in wards that are intensifying, of course, is you've, got more people using the very limited amount of parks and park facilities, so the wear and tear, or not, that the wear and tear isn't there in other parts, but it's particularly it's going to intensify along with the added population. So that's really where I'm. Coming from. With with my couple of questions here now my it has often been a frustration from community members when they've occurred with the existing policy. No I'm! Sorry, that's that's! Lifecycle! Repair!

G

That's maintenance! This money is for additional capacity, so to speak. You know the money was contributed in recognition that more people are living here. Therefore, we need more capacity. Of course, if you can't and very difficult to create a new Park in a dense urban area, so it's typically gone towards adding some new equipment. You know putting an additional slide on or something like that, while existing ones are sometimes deteriorating. So while I get that the pressure is being there, the frustration has been there that we can't spend it on repair.

G

The that's a double-edged sword, because now we may find ourselves for all the pressure is to put it in repair and our population is growing. So so we are not growing I'm, not sure in the end, how this is really going to turn into a question, rather than just flagging that this this is a double-edged sword. This is a concern.

G

Is there any sense from staff that you would feel the need to be putting the pressure on a councilor and the community? You know to be doing maintenance, I guess. What is your response to to to that fear that money that is being banked to add capacity is now going to be eaten up to do simple safety repairs. You know we're going to have to close that play structure unless this repair is done and guess what your cash in lieu is the only money available counselor. What would you like to do now?

G

Do you have any comments on that.

J

The life cycle dilemma, but that we've lived over the last few years has has been primarily focused on situations where a park amenity has lost, play, value and the community and the Lord cats. There wants to restore that, and that's everything from tennis courts that are so badly cracked that they they you can no longer play tennis to a whole variety of park, amenities benches.

J

You can no longer sit on that kind of thing and so kind of speaking to the notion of perhaps moving towards some words would move towards Cadillac versions, most of the real examples that we've had our park, amenities that are still two or three years away from being replaced. Yet no one can use anymore and that's where we're getting as staff we're getting a lot of public feedback and counselors as well.

J

You need to do something because people will go to the park or people won't use the park, because, what's there isn't so in those instances we found it difficult because often there are funds there, and the main thing that needs to be done in a park is to restore play value through an existing structure or amenity type of thing.

J

The other side. We appreciate that it's a slippery slope of getting into complete life cycle replacement, could remove things that still have life that could replace things that are really related to play value, but just to aesthetics or to better functionality of the park. So we struggle with it as well, and we hear the same complaints that some of the things that we have really do need to to be replaced not just fixed for another couple of years. I.

G

Certainly, haven't seen any parks in capital award threatening to become Cadillacs, I venture to say more, like Ladas being held together by binder twine in a few cases, maybe I'm going a little overboard there we're doing our best to keep them up to it to a decent standard, but nothing approaching a Cadillac I. Guess, that's really all what I.

G

What I, especially want to flag with any policy changes is that money, that's intended to add capacity in order to keep pace with growing population in a particular area, could far too easily be siphoned off and and used to to hold together. What's what's there now, and so we will just see you know 3,000 people using a park where 2,000 people did before with the inevitable. You know faster, wear and tear that that comes with that. So that's something I'll want to be very wary of as we debate and ultimately perhaps approve these policy changes.

G

B

Thank you councillor le and then counts relief.

A

Okay, thank you, madam chair I will be a bit random here, but the I guess.

A

My first point is when we're doing this question, if we look back to the arguments being given to council just eight months ago about what cash and move funds should be used for and why they couldn't be used for life cycle and repair those arguments that were given to us as of eight months ago as of five years ago, as of you know, six or seven years ago, they all made sense, at least up to eight months ago, so I'm wondering what changed I think what changed is there was no money put in the budget to do the life cycle and repairs, and you know that should not be the reason for changing a policy that otherwise seem to be meeting needs as they crept up in in each of the urban and quasi suburban Ward's.

A

At least what is the CIL fund normally used for I know in my ward and Jason woods and I think the councillor Brockington made a good point about this.

A

It's to do things like when projects occur, but lack certain elements that everyone thinks should be there like if, if splash pads built, but there are no benches included in the project, you can go and include a couple of benches if demographics change in your area- and you go from area that used to be young families and suddenly its majority senior citizens, they have different needs in a park, and we want to put those in and and deal with them when community suddenly creates a walkway through an existing Park and it's a beaten-down path and the community wants to formalize our path and need $15,000 to do it.

A

We can do that. This is the only source of moderate park improvements for existing communities. This is the only funding source for that and if we allow.

A

Cil funds to be used for a lifecycle and repair, then we know what's going to happen when the budgets written, they will look and they will say: okay, we don't have to fund as much into lifecycle and repair as we normally do, because we can count on the counselors to just cut that funding source the CIL funding source and use it to cover the shortfall in lifecycle and repairs. It stops us from doing responsible budgeting a bunch of time it it's a band-aid that covers really a gaping hole in the way we do.

A

The budget, and, what's strange to me, is the very arguments that were raised by all of staff up to just months ago and we're now being told they were wrong and that we should be doing the other thing. Well, I, look at what other cities do. Toronto is one that will use its its CI LS for repairs, but you go through most of the other cities in Ontario you'll find that half of them, the only source, are practically the only deal.

A

The only target or practically the only target of CIL funds is to create new parkland.

A

That's the majority across Ontario and go to other cities, and they want to make sure that anything spent on anything that CI ELLs are spent on is an actual improvement to a park, and the reason for this is the reason for the tax for the CIL tax is to the parkland that company's developers were supposed to give to the city, so when they can't give the parkland they give money to enhance, expand and improve our parks, they're, not giving it for repairs and life cycle. That's not the purpose for which we tax. So they're me.

A

There is a clause in legislation that lets you use it for repairs in life cycle, but most recognize that the purpose of the tax is to add to the parks that are there, it's not to become a funding source of operations of the city, so I think it's just inappropriate to to allow C ILS to be used for this purpose. Secondly, I think if we do allow it to use for this purpose, it's the beginning of the end.

A

In fact, it may be also the end of this source of funding for moderate park improvements in existing neighborhoods you're. Never gonna have that problem. You know in in the suburbs, beyond the green belt, because there are all these BDCs to pay for parks and you can actually acquire a new land and make new parks, but you can't do that in the middle of city view. That was a lot of you heard in the last budget. Consultations. So I think that element while it it looks sweet it looks attractive.

A

It's the cheese in the mousetrap and we will regret doing it and our communities will regret that they will no longer have an opportunity to try to make modest improvements to their communities. Park.

B

I'm going to ask mr. Malick to comment.

F

And so, first of all, as the counselor pointed out, it's not illegal, but act up. She does allow you to use this. This running for repair and replacement of existing park. Assets.

F

Number two I guess I would say: I, don't see this change as being in any way affecting how ISD comes up with their priorities every year for doing park, repairs and replacements. It's going to be the same process they're not going to look at this and say well, we won't give anything to 12, because we know they have lots cash in the park line.

F

They get an envelope, they go through a process and they identify the priorities on a city wide basis, so even councilor Washington, who has know very little money in his account if his parks are a priority, they'll be done with city money as opposed to cash in lieu of park, land and money and I guess. My last comment is: is that you're right?

F

This came about because this last budget there were a number of parks that councillors had expected to be done, but the priorities had to change because of changes in legislation and how we dealt with the electrical code and so Parks got pushed off, and so they wanted to advance those. So we considered this so the question became: are you going to tax more for this, or are you going to look at what right now you're, looking at 13 million dollars in your cash and the park grant fund? Are you going to dip into that?

F

Instead, it became a question of taxation from increasing that or using resources. You already have available to you. The legislation permitted it. It was a simple decision to say: let's change, the rules, we wrote ourselves to make them comply with the provincial rules to allow that to happen, to give this corporation more financial flexibility, to allow councilors to have work done when it needs to be done, as opposed to waiting until we get that little meager increase every year in in that Park renewal project account and that's my comments concert. Thank you.

A

You know and our only budget consultation that we had in the West End last time. You know it's easy to say: well, it's not going to affect what the priorities are, but when a group did asked for money for their project, the answer given was: why don't you use the CIL fund? Well, that's not what the CIL fund was supposed to be for and so no matter how you slice it.

A

If it's being used to prevent taxation, that's one way to look at it, but you're also taking the money out of its current use to be used for an operational purpose and because the annual lifecycle and repair is an OP is well most people view it as an operational function of the city. It's not to enhance an existing facility.

B

Like a mature, say, I just wanted to point out too that yes, counselor brockington is cash. Allu is low at seventy five hundred or so, but so is councillor Taylor at nineteen and councillor Dean's at twenty six thousand I just.

B

Okay, so I'm just I'm, just saying that- and sometimes it's because a previous counselor or a current councillor invested a lot of money into a project that was important. The next speakers, council reaper on the issue of growth and then the suburbs that never being a problem. That's not true. We are new subdivisions. Our developers pay that the mental rec center was how was the percentage paid for by development charges.

B

Kevin was at 91% something like that, but my point is in a community like Kanata or Orleans or bar Haven, where we're not all a new place. We have got lots of need sure we're not as old as when I was six months and lived in city view and early 50s, but we do have areas like from the late 60s, where those people want to have up swash pads. They want to have stuff like that and that will never be.

B

We have parks also that have those metal, slides and so I've often said to the hell, are the four of the dr. Levey I've said to him.

B

You should be saying: don't let your little kids butts hit those slides, because it's a hot day, while they're drinking water get them to throw them on the slide, I mean we have those in the burbs as well, so the ability to use sea ILS, which we never have, which is part of this package at I, think it's a selective opportunity that we can that we can take when we know it's not going to rise on the calendar any faster for the staff they're looking at it without any people involved, we all represent those people whose tiny little tissues are going down, that hot hot hot metal slide.

B

Don't you wanna, kill, sir. We please.

D

Hope to speak to and ask a question of and that I'm hoping we'll see go through overall package of recommendations goes through and as I listen to the debate around the table, I'm still not certain that I'm comfortable supporting the the bigger recommendations, I'm absolutely hearing from my residents, the the discomfort with using cashing your funds to fund our life cycle renewal. They are asking me to stand tight to the principle that maintenance of our parks is a function of what they pay.

D

Taxes for and I'm, very cognizant of that groups like the green space, Alliance I'm, also not sure I'm comfortable and after listening to our treasurer, with the concept of creating an obligation against future budgets.

D

Moving kind of all over the place priorities are changed and we've seen some high-level shifts in priorities require ISD and n parts to spend money on projects they hadn't anticipated spending money on creating obligations against future budgets is not something I'm necessarily comfortable with, but a couple of things in the package are really attractive. First, I want to congratulate staff for speaking so strongly in a report to the need for more transparent reporting.

D

This is something that the residents of my community have been seeking for a couple of years now I'm looking forward to having those those really transparent conversations with our with our residents. The second piece of it is the with respect to project selection. How do we select the projects that are going to be funded with cash in Europe I? Take a look at my award.

D

I've probably got 20 different projects, all of them very legitimate, representing millions of dollars worth of asks if we were to fund them all it's difficult for me as a councillor with the limited resources. I have to do a rich job of consulting with my residents in terms of how that money should be spent.

D

I am grateful for the suggestion and the report that staff are going to set up a process, lend some resources to the effort to create some priorities for us and spending that money I think that'll be a big help to councillors and particularly busy urban awards like mine, where there are so many assets on the table and to that end, I've been asked, and my understanding is that there are a number of counselors who would like to be part of a pilot in terms of how we set that new process out it'll take some time to get it right and I'm wondering if staff will take it as a direction that in establishing that process, that they would pilot it.

D

In some of our urban wards. First particularly capital Somerset, we drove an E and kitch asipi Ward's.

J

Through the chair, yes, we would take that direction from committee to look at those words as pilots. Thank.

D

You and I'm very interested to continue listening to the discussion around offending lifecycle versus versus. Not this is a critical discussion for us, as we face some very lean budgets moving ahead and what our approach to budgeting is going to be and what residents have all about think that they're getting when they pay their tax bill every year, Thank You mr. chairman, great Thank, You councillor Lieber, just reminded my Ward's. Also urban Ward feel free to throw me in the mix there.

D

F

Thank you vice chair, I have to say that when I first landed here and got that first memo with that number beside my name, it was met with both amusement and amazement. Amazing, because I'd never had a number like that. Attached to my name, as many of you know, it's my cash in lieu is is large, which amusement because, as soon as I started looking at some of the things that that we need to do in center, town I realized that it's actually not a lot of money.

F

What we need in center town here is new green space. We need new opportunities for parks, and you know we can. You know we can have all the nice shiny, new equipment that that we want. But you know, as as we intensify it, you know it gets used, and it's just not enough space. We have entire communities throughout throughout the world that actually don't have a park available to them.

F

Many of them, you know, count on their local schools and for that kind of park space, so, which is a whole other discussion around how we might you know, start partnering with our with our school boards. So for for me, you know I, look at you know how do you?

F

How do you separate out what what the real needs in a community are like like center town and I understand the needs of the suburban needs, absolute, you know, and that we have people moving in there too, and and they need for, for you know some way or somebody new, but.

F

Our parks, the lifecycle for our parks, was meant to be covered through our normal budget process. It is what people expect the tax dollars to pay for. It's not was not meant to be covered by the money that we receive because of the intensification of development in our wards. That was meant to enhance our parks. I have got examples in my ward of the you know: three parks that were recently enhanced, a new skateboard that I invite anyone to go out and get and watch.

F

You know hundreds of kids every day enjoying that new splash pads. That is what the cash in lieu is meant to to cover.

F

So my concern is that, for the downtown world like the one I represent, is that if I am going to start lending myself, money for renewal and life cycle as much as a million dollars might seem like a lot of money when I'm working at building a new part, finding an opportunity for a new park and I always- and there are lots of opportunities- we've got lots of surface parking that could be that could be replaced with green space. We've got abandoned homes that we could purchase you know and and create green space.

F

But that is a lot of money to do. That million dollars doesn't go far whenever you're looking at establishing one or two small parks in in the downtown and they're crucial. We do not have enough green space in the downtown, so you know I I also have not. You know: I've not decided on I'm gonna land on this, but I think that for me, I'm, not convinced that setting a policy where I'm going to start lending myself, money for renewal and life cycle, which was really a function of our budget and our taxes.

F

And if we, you know we're not attached, so it's not high enough, then that's something that we as council me to look at, but I don't see anywhere in this policy where the words or the neighborhoods that need new parkland that they're going to that. That's going to be made any easier. So I don't know if anyone wants to comment- or you know just take that away, but that is that is where I struggle with agree with counsel, good things in this report and in dealing with parkland and parks in in a city.

F

That's as diverse as ours is difficult and I know what the pressures are in the suburban communities. I was fortunate enough to work with suburban council for years. I understand it quite well and I want to make sure that whatever we come out with today is you know best for the entire city.

F

I understand that the pressures are you know award as well, as has a lot of lower-income communities so, but in terms of creating new parkland in terms of even compelling developers to actually find ways of providing our downtown communities with parkland might cost them a little bit more, but but I think it's it's incumbent upon us as a city to make sure that, as we're intensifying we're getting additional green space, I.

B

Think that there's two things happening here, I think that the what we're talking about today will not include that new parkland in your word, for example, but certainly that's why, with this section 37, where you do accrue more money, the developers by law have to pay a certain amount of money when a park cannot be built, and so you really have those two options. I see what your goal is more with meeting with the mr.

B

McNair Gord McNair and his team, and having them be on the alert for opportunities that you can apply for funding and using your resources and working with the capacity of projects you know coming along. That's probably your best bet, because they're not going to be looking for a new parkland, and nor are we able to get that kind of money unless it's a very large project. Mr. Bizzy.

E

Thank you, madam chair, perhaps I could provide. It is election comet that for a number of awards inside the Greenbelt, the department is looking at for larger sites, sites that have a lot area of greater than four thousand square meters of actually using the Planning Act provision.

E

The legislative authority to take a conveyance of land, because at ten percent to four thousand you'd have a four hundred square meter size park which is actually meaningful, and so we've engaged in discussion with the development industry to to let them know it's a path we want to explore and start to actually obtain land, rather than only cash all the time that.

B

May be a workshop take away councillor leaper. It was working on the community forum with me that we may want to have that as an item I I, ask you court to take that to Charmaine to discuss might be something that would be of great interest to the people, particularly those that are going to come out to provide them with a workshop. During that event, when is in November, the 9th.

D

B

A second it's in November, it's a Saturday in November and we're just starting to work on it. Okay, that would be good. Thank you very much councillor Kadri and then counter tyranny and then councillor bleh. Thank.

J

You very much, madam chair. It's got a couple.

E

Of questions, first of all in terms of the a nossa different program, but the funding committed under the strategic initiative of two million dollars annually.

E

The items that I read on there is leverage other sources, internal or external funding, in order to be qualify. Your project for that I just put out a survey in my community. It based on that kind of request of a two million dollar envelope and not for the Fed two million, but just you know what projects would qualify so far. I received something like 31 different ideas from the community on park improvements, and so my question come is not necessarily from that funding aspect, but also from the standards aspect.

E

I mean there are some parts that at least in my area that are 40 50 years old. That do not require me to current standards highly having those current standard upgrades because I know before they were handled through the park budget and now, if there is suggesting that renewal of assets could be done through CIL I, don't know whether I want to spend my money on parts that have fallen behind the standards. So if you have a comment on that, I'd appreciate it.

J

Okay, so yeah, you are correct that right now, for the most part, standards pieces of equipment that fall beyond standards are generally replaced through the lifecycle program when they come due when I spoke earlier about some of the frustrations. We're hearing in the wards is that often those things that that need replacement that are beyond standard or a past?

J

You know model that no longer kids play on. We often get the pressure to increase them and that's where we've received most of our requests, the spencey il when something isn't being used, but for the most part it goes back to you, the mr.

J

news life cycle program or special initiatives through communities and we've seen a lot through our Community Partnership Grants program, for example, of communities that just don't want to wait and have the ability to fundraise and we will match their funding, but those are really the only avenues and often that isn't enough to move things along in some communities fast enough. We are getting. You mentioned the strategic program, that's approved for this year. We are getting from a lot of the councillors there.

J

Their list of events standing needs and a lot of them do relate to those kinds of situations where you have outdated equipment that still theoretically functional but of no interest to the community, and they want to see it replaced with something more modern, and that is figuring very prominently on the list that we're receiving across the city. And thank you for that. Mr. shaniyah.

E

But my question still remains that in terms of the CIL funds, if we're allowed to use those funds for renewal projects, what does one be eligible to be applied to standard projects of where the project doesn't? You know does fall under upgrade through the city program? And if so, then, why would that be the Nala suddenly changing that perspective of city funding on stand on parts that are not approved by current standards?

E

For example to me, that's a function that has always been a city park function upgrade those and that's where it should remain and not be chosen out of CIL funds.

I

Through the chair, I think will be helpful if I turned it over to Kelly Martin, acting manager, asset management, to talk about how we prioritize lifecycle improvements every year and a little bit about what goes into the infrastructure services side of the equation. Kelly chair.

D

The ISD has, as you know, stewardship over the renewal and life sup program for a number of assets. Park Park assets, including we do, as was indicated through the treasurer in a number of questions earlier.

D

Work at identifying deficiencies, standards or function on the use is, is one but paramount in its safety or changes in legislation that rise to the top in terms of priority. But we do take all of those factors into consideration. We work within affordability, envelopes, as was indicated, and we prioritize projects on that basis to formulate our annual programs in the instances where there's quite obviously has has been in the past a under the funding or shortfall. The funding to address the priority needs. We then look at at our envelopes.

D

From a tax perspective, there were a number of assets, as I indicated that it were funded through taxes, not only parks but buildings, and we and we have have a review of where the pressures are and to the extent that we have capacity our envelopes. We balance within those I do want to point to the fact, as well.

D

I think it was touched on July 7th that the the life cycle, renewal programs did identify a need to to increase funding that was brought to Council in 2012 as part of our comprehensive asset management program and and the the program that was established following that, and we are looking at increased funding to our life cycle programs on the tax side as a result of that, with view of doubling approximately what had been historical funding by 2022.

D

So from an overall perspective, we put safety and legislative requirements. Obviously at the top of the list, functional functional use is considered in there, but it it it is factored in. As as we can schedule it.

E

Thank you very much and thank you.

B

Thank you, you see where I am now counselor tyranny and then counselor bleh.

D

Thank you, madam chair. First of all, I didn't want to think that I dance, you name your department, I, think you're the hardest working guys in the city, so I say that all the time and I'm trademarking that that's yours.

D

Dan was exceptionally hard. That being said, I represent a reward. That is its asset allocations. I said, I get something: no I'm, not the grease of CIOs like Riley, but I'm in the lower bracket and I have concerns about a couple of things that I've done in the past. I want to ensure I can continue today. So if I can give you just a couple of quick examples and if I could stop response on them, it will help me make a better decision.

D

Was the library in my area is situated next to this pass wave pool now, based on the list of ineligible projects, it says anything associated in the plans. That's not a public park, so a park, it is City City land I want to put revitalize that piece of land in between with a bench and take some weeds out. Can I apply my CIL as to that I.

I

Believe you may but I just like to confer with mr. mark.

D

I'm sorry, madam chair I was reading to draft motion or I apologize. Well, that's a question so I guess within these new rules it actually highlights the fact. If it's not a public park, we can't apply that money and in this situation, I have a splash wave pool and library next to each other, with a small swath of land in between both which is full of weeds.

D

I want to put a bench and move on, so people can read books beside the library will I be able to apply my CIOs to that with this new regime. If.

K

E

The scenario the swath of land is: is it C? What is it city-owned? It.

D

Is but it is not designated as a park I.

K

Don't believe there'd be a problem with that. Madam chair yeah,.

D

So you can, you can see why I just I have to ask the questions now, because we can't go back in the time machine later and I'm not getting a real, solid yeh on that so I'm a little concerned. Another example, mr.

B

Busy has comment on.

D

B

E

Madam chair attached to the report in the appendix is the actual cash in real parkland policies and an ineligible project, one of the defended a definition section of the very last page under ineligible. It says any capital project associated with land is not a public park, so it's ineligible. If it's not related to a public park. Correct.

D

And I think that's the fear. I have is being able to meet those changes so.

B

Maybe what you want to do is change it to park or for facility. Would that be okay? Mr. oak, yes,.

K

Madam chair, so.

B

Did you want to consider that well.

D

Yeah I think I'll definitely be having chair and that's one example. Another example would be we did an expansion on the splash wave pool. The diving club that wanted to use that, for their lane, swings didn't have the pedestals I was able to have four back in 2011. I was able to apply some see, I am on each other's. Yet those diving platforms, otherwise they're gonna, be under dive. Schools would I be able to apply my CIL funds under this new regime. In a similar situation.

J

The chair generally, the tests we've put to that is that they'd be permanent capital improvements to the recreation facility and in this case, because these dive pads were considered that they were deemed eligible and I, don't see anything in this policy. That would change that. No.

B

I, don't like I'll, give you an example: the the Canadian metal League Championship over the last several years myself and with the help of councillor Taylor, have you see, ILS put flag poles up, I used mine for the scoreboards for the pitcher's cages and all that kind of stuff, though, because it's a four it's a benefit and and with scoreboards on a facility which is their media building, so I think that's something that we're doing already.

B

There would be nothing different if I was used, the Walter, Baker and investments that I've made over the years through CIOs in that place as well. So I think that the term Park is I. Think unless mr. mark says differently and you have to add facilities, Park is a place where recreation takes place. Maybe.

D

I'm, actually interpreting a different I think it's actually illegal and mr. Mack will correct us. If we don't change this wording now we could be handcuffing ourselves to just that is defined as a park and.

B

Would be changing what we're already doing so advice mr. mark should be just err on the side of caution and add facilities.

K

Madam chair, erring on the side of caution is, is always easiest. I will note that I have been generous in my interpretations with respect to areas.

C

Where the amounts can go in the past.

D

But tidying up the wording to make it clearer as to eligibility would be desirable, so maybe staff would like to provide a replacement wine iqs Pusha for it as a motion, if need be, whether it's city, land or city facility, whatever or city owned? If, if that's the correct wording, I, definitely like to see that where the weather's directional requires a motion, maybe you can answer that. Madam shell I will write something up. Thank.

B

You very much yeah and just to be clear. So what we're saying is the large shopping, complex, chaplain, Mills marketplace and bar Haven, for example, has one bench I mean? Ideally you know I can't tell you how many people have asked said: I'd love to walk there, but I need a rest and walking people whatever all ages, and yet that would not be something that I could contribute or counselor characters could contribute to it's, not a city facility right.

D

Yeah, so that was one example so and then also same with the diving platform example. So those are two concerns, and hopefully whatever wording staff comes up with will will resolve that issue. So we can Canyon continue to still do what we do in our communities I. Also going through the report, the I was of one mind trying to respect the taxpayer, which I always do the FTU situation seems to be you've served me on it. We ever and maybe I can ask for comments on that on the facts.

D

You know when it comes to cycling. We've taken a strong stance in the city. We actually employ people to focus on that, but we don't apply the same level of criteria or support to our parks. Department. Having a dedicated FTEs focused on parks, I think is critical. Maybe I can get get some feedback from you. Mister Shani, on that through.

J

The chair, as I mentioned earlier, it's critical that we have a sufficient number of planners available to take on these projects.

J

As counselors now as general ideas get generated out in the ward and and request the Spence, CIL money comes forward, and it's everything from the small projects to it's, a very the more complex, multi-million dollar plus projects. Our experience over the last two years is that without planners dedicated to the CIL projects, there will be unacceptable delays in terms of getting getting these projects rolled out, and so that's. Why? Not only does this report recommend continuing what was approved in 2012 of funding planners through the CIL fund?

J

We're also recommending that the positions be made permanent so that we have a better opportunity to attract and retain these hard to find skilled positions in our minds. Having experienced planners that know the words know, the types of projects and get them done efficiently is critical to good administration of this program, and so that's why the recommendation is what you see in the report and thank.

D

You for explaining that because I think you know when we see FTEs being added or a requirement for FTEs everyone's flags go up around here, because we know it's going to be tight for several years, but miss Kay is here. You've sold me on it, I'll be supporting that aspect of it, because parks are very important and we have to spend a little more time on them. I think last question: we look at a scenario like the Miracle League park that has been built.

D

There was lots of people involved and I didn't really get a lot of clarity on if we even spend one dime of CIL money, afters blocking the road or not I, think the question was kind of there. It wasn't fully answered in a situation like New York, a league where there is lots of great sponsors and people. I came out with the councillors name or councillors. Names be allowed to be on a plaque like that where it was a group effort, there was a lot of money involved.

J

Through the chair, I can advise that there was no CIL money. The city did contribute 50% of the project, but it was done through the major capital partnership program and I. Don't believe there was any specific recognition to to the ward councillor. Okay,.

D

Thank you very much. Thank.

B

You councillor I think.

E

You have much my chair. A couple, quick questions on the prohibition of the plaques has read the policy that prohibition is only on projects that are funded through CIL, not rec, centers and other larger facilities, such as Lansdowne, etc. Through.

I

The chairs, solely through project pipes that are solely funded by CIO, perfect.

E

A question to the treasurer MS Simic is that your understanding that if CIL funds are used for life cycle, that that CIL is then paid back once that life cycle project comes to, would have otherwise come up in the budget? Or is it you use it? That project falls off the list and it's done.

F

I've made at the last meeting there was a motion put forward. The report does not recommend that but I believe a motion was put forward to have it repaid back in my crack through.

I

The chair motion was afford, staff were directed to review the issue and- and we did and set it in the memo. But there is no motion before or no amendments to the report.

E

So the recommended recommendation is that it will not be. There is no recommendation to repay it later correct perfect. So, given that I don't understand all the concern and consternation to be perfectly honest, I don't understand how this is an urban or suburban issue. If there's a park in center town that needs to be renewed, and it's not in the budget for a few years, and you want to use CIL fill your boots. What it means is a park in my area goes up the list. Vice versa.

E

If I choose to renew a park later, a parking area goes up the list- you're elected, to use, good judgment, there's 24 people here that are have control of what happens if staff use it as an excuse to not fund renewal, which I don't think they'll. Do you know, as per the answer from the treasurer, we can change that we can push back against that. We can give them direction, though there has to be X dollars or renewal.

E

It's up to every councilor to use their discretion, use their judgment as to whether or not replacing that play structure is the priority or adding a splash pad in this other park as a priority. That's what you're elected to do is to make those decisions, and also like I'm, pretty sure that the project or the the investment still needs to get the approval of the general manager of planning growth management and the general manager of Parks and Recreation.

E

That's how I understood the project, so there should be some control on doing things that are perhaps unneeded. Is that still the case.

I

Correct that that provision of the policy remains so.

E

There is no reason for you to create a Ferrari. If you still have a lot of you know, you should get some good advice as to whether or not that's a good investment or not. What this policy is doing is giving you the flexibility. We have the money, we don't have to raise taxes to get it use it for new stuff, use it to replace old stuff. It's on you and the voters will decide if that's a good choice for your community or not so I, really don't under continuing obligation.

E

There's oversight from professionals in both recreation and pro and planning to provide you guidance and advice, and, as I said, if we, if we get budgets that go down the line that some people are concerned of well we're gonna use CIL as an excuse not to fund renewal. Then we push back on that and say where's, the rule, that's what our job is.

E

This is just opening the flexibility so that we all have some resources at our disposal and if you don't want your CIL accounts to be really big if you're saving up for that project, whatever that is create an account for that project and move the CIL money over and then it's not in your CIL account anymore.

E

It's in the project account and then you can do pay-as-you-go for that project and you don't have the pressure of dipping into your CIL to do the renewal because you're paying as you go for this big mega project you're working on all this does is provide flexibility to us to get the things that our community wants. I, don't see why there has been this much consternation and and and delay and dithering over this it's money. We have we're all elected to use, good judgment.

E

Do it or not, use your judgment or not, let's use it where everyone games it the best place to be to be spent. Thank you very much, madam chair. Well,.

B

Said, thank you very much. Okay. So oh yeah, we have a deferral motion which will go first. So if that councillor sure Ellie wants to read his deferral motion, okay,.

A

I will do that as soon as thank you, but first of all, I just want to answer some of those questions. First of all, stop it. First of all, I want to hear your motion. Okay, the motion is be resolved. The in the report providing forward the 10% surcharge, funding three permanent FTEs and requiring quarterly reporting the approves further resolve. The balance of the report be deferred for further consideration at the same time as midterm governance review and what you're.

B

Saying is defer the report, with the exception of investing in the three fold and.

A

It was also steep and and the reporting, because I think the reporting should happen as well. So that's an error in the typing of the motion, but.

A

B

So that's the motion. There's a motion of two fell on.

B

And now you're going to speak to it, and if anybody wants to speak to defer all okay, okay.

A

So again, first of all, I just want to clear up a couple of misconceptions from the previous couple of interventions. First of all, staff are not here to provide oversight on councillors. Councils are here to provide oversight on staff, and that is one of the primary functions of an elected official.

A

We are the ones that are elected to set priorities, we're the ones who are accountable to the voters. Everybody else is operating to fulfill the wishes of counsel, and so it's important that we not ever relinquish our duty to conduct oversight on staff. Secondly,.

A

You can only spend it all at one time and if the dollar is there to be spent on improvements or enhancement to parks, but instead you spend it on life cycle, maintenance or repairs. It cannot be spent on enhancing and improving on on the parks. The reason we created this tax was to enhance and improve our parks to create and if we could or if we couldn't to enhance it and and improve in a modest or minor way, existing parks.

A

Secondly, I never for one minute thought that staff will change the way they prioritize projects as a result of a change in CIL regulations. I think they will continue to provide the same professional recommendations. That's not where the problem happens. The problem happens with us at budget time, like at the last budget, where we had a perfectly good list and we're putting almost no money in to fund that list. They can give us a perfectly good list.

A

If we have a budget that doesn't fund that list, it will make it almost obligatory that we use our CIL funds, which were collected for a different purpose and use them for normal life cycle maintenance at the city. So, no matter how you cut it, changing the regulations from those that we followed and those a staff defended for so many years are going to create the exact repercussions that staff warned us they would when staff were who are taking the other point of view.

A

So if we notice so so, the I was already on the list before you asked me for the motion, so.

A

B

Just so everyone knows, I mean I, think I've been more than fair and I haven't stuck to the five-minute rule. Everybody's had a good chance to talk so right, so you're down two seconds now so.

A

On on the motion, I don't think there is common agree on what the plaquing issue is supposed to mean or what the definition of an allowed placard is lawed plaque is I, don't think there is agreement by all of council along well. Maybe this committee I don't know, but not by all of Council, on what CI LS should be used for and whether changing that will mean we have known no additional funding put in the budget for park, removal and upgrades.

A

And thirdly, I, don't think there's been enough contact with the public about what the two pockets of money should be used for. There are a lot of community groups out there who see this as the CCI l funds as a only opportunity to make any kind of improvement to their parks and when they see that money suddenly eligible for use for every day, life cycle and repairs, they know what's gone. Okay,.

B

Thank You counsel, a.

E

Yeah I am just to respond, so the use of indetermination of seattle projects is a delegate authority from Council to councillors. That needs to be approved by the the two directors as I said, and if you want to hold a rider you can by coming to Council and council, as a group can override it. So no one is seating, any decision-making, power or authority.

E

Second of all, you get to decide if it's for renewal or for new parks or new amenities and the community will hold you to account for that decision. One way or the other deferring this all it does is delay what improvements we might make to our community, starting maybe this fall and into next spring. You know if you're planning a big hundred thousand two hundred thousand, maybe even bigger park project. You need to start working on it now and for it to get into the ground next year.

E

If you want to do a big play, structural replacement, which would be renewal, you have to start this fall to get it done now. Get it started for next spring. All word by deferring we're just delaying the opportunities for those investments in our community. There's no reason to delay it. If you don't want to use your sale for life cycle, don't use your CIO for life cycle, yep, plain and simple. If you want to gives everyone the opportunity to make the investments that are important for their community, it's an option.

B

We didn't have before counselor here being in Kelso brockington. Thank.

C

You, madam chair, my colleague, comes to play on this. As you said earlier, we are paid to make these decisions. We are elected by our community to make these decisions and I think there's no need to defer. This we've had a very discussion of the issue today, as I mentioned earlier, I've got two emotions here, prepared I've worked with staff to ensure the motions are proper. So after we deal with deferral, if you choose not to defer I'm prepared to move those motions, and hopefully a good policy will come out of this.

C

Thank you, madam chair. Thank.

B

You on deferral, council Brockington then followed by councilor tyranny. Haiya counselor attorney beta.

D

Thank you, madam chair. It's turning me a bit of a bird's nest. Now these are the different motions we've discussed on where things should go and where they shouldn't go and who knows where things are, you know superseded or not the monies you're spending, if you want or not I, have a bit of a situation with that.

D

We change the rules around how we manage traffic in our communities and councillors might not be aware of this yet, but those nice speed boards that we put up again my name's online when we go to move them around now we gotta pay out of that traffic fund to move those speed boards. That was a service that was provided before. If we go ahead and say now, we're gonna, you say: I asked for upgrades you opening Pandora's Box, it's gonna change the game.

D

Of course, you're gonna have to go to see how able to do the upgrades. It's a very different than sure when you go down this road. Also, we know that times are tough. The economy is gonna change. So, with always confusion, always people in front of me about the different motions. It's a bird's nest, the one thing that I can definitely see and just seeing relative is you have to use or something that's critical. The reporting is critical in this week's a year.

D

Two years till we can get this package put together, better I think so and for that reason I'll be supporting counselor Shirley's motion today.

B

Okay, so on default, we're going to have gays and nays, and this is on counselor Ellie's to fail motion. The deferral motion is.

B

Be resolved that the items of a report providing for the 10% surcharge, funding three permanent three FTEs and requiring quarterly reporting be approved, but be it further resolved that the balance of the report be deferred to be further considered at the same time as mid governance, I remind everyone that this is the second time we've had this before the planning committee. We have had every opportunity to have input for longer than that Mr curry. When did Jake first start reaching out when when did that happen? Do you remember my.

I

Baby was really made, madam chair. Okay,.

B

So this has been before us: I mean I've, presumed that people that our counselors have spoken to their community organizations that are involved in that sort of thing. So I guess I have to ask what is the purpose of the deferral but there's two parts to it. Did you want it separated two parts? Okay, so on the phone we have a council brain, no council, Brockington, no.

E

B

Sure Ellie Kendrick Luce no.

E

Counselor hubely no council Reaper. Yes,.

B

Counselor spoon counselor cadre vice chair chanting. Yes,.

I

B

No one two, three, four, five, six, two: three against deferral: okay, now I have a serious do. I have all of the motions that are going to be before me. Just ask me because there's three of them, so the first one is and they're all moved by Councillor field. Lee. Thank you for that work, whereas counselors usually are the lead on sponsorship. Files in the sponsorship program requires recognition by the city that the city cannot provide all the extras that communities want from the tax-supported budget.

B

Therefore, be it resolved that the following clause in the cash in lieu of parkland policy, which is the one that's in there right now, any items that could be perceived as promotional, including plaques or engravings, containing council members, names, pictures or likenesses, be amended to read, plaque, engravings, etc.

B

Acknowledging the funding source as a cash in lieu of parking account are not permitted on items with the value total value less than $10,000, and be it further resolved that the issue of sponsorship during the blackout period in respective members of council not seeking re-election, be reviewed during midterm governance.

B

Okay, so do you want yeas and nays on that as well, yeas and nays on that council brain? Yes,.

E

Council brockington, yes, council, sure, Ellie, no.

B

Counselor cliché, yes,.

E

B

E

Yes, how's your paper: yes, because counselor Kathy, yes, vice-chair.

B

Channing and myself, yes, one two three, four: five: six: seven to two I'm just going to mark these mr. panner that way: okay I'm in second, we have is where Abney by Councillor hubely well as changes have been approved in the park planning process that will move staff from the project manager, role from concept to delivery, to a new advisory function of identifying minimum requirements for a park and then coming back into the process after completion to ensure requirements are met. Just to be clear.

B

This is about new parks, right foot vote, anybody who doesn't understand where, as the benefits of these changes are still being confirmed- and it would be premature to make permanent the three positions, therefore be it resolved that the clause issue, six, adding three permanent positions be deleted.

B

Did you want to say at this time or just deleted period?

B

Okay? So on that, that's the second hubely counselor blame.

I

B

Sorry, if this is the one that says, therefore be resolved, the clause issue six, that's the one with the three permanent positions yeah. So if you support this, if you support this you're voting against the permanent positions, well, glad that that's clear.

C

Changes to the DC bylaw and initiatives that we have underway that are free, not the part planners, so that they can do the work in the areas that I've been waiting for planners so and it's too early in the process to make sure that they're going to address the waiting list. But why would you make positions permanent and then have to lay somebody off in a year's time if the program works the way we envision it will. So that's what you're faced with you know.

C

Man up make the decision today to leave it and we see how this works or deferred and do nothing yeah.

B

Because I think that there's like there's like yak and yak here, there's two different things entirely. What you're talking about is about new parks and what this is about: CIL, so staff, Kevin or or Dan or for it. Anybody.

J

Can suggest only reiterate, there are two separate part: planner teams, one in planning and growth management that looks after at the development of new parks works with developers. There are planners in my shop that looked after the of existing parks and CIL projects, for most of which are in existing parks. The two positions that are in this report are to help support existing parts, the use of CIL funds to do the projects that are generated out of the 23 Ward's.

J

So we don't really at this point, benefit from any of the changes that may have gone on in planning and growth management.

B

And just to add to that, the one other position is the ISD position, which would be doing the opposite. No.

I

Just to clarify to have that person make sure the park is actually built that person actually that's.

B

What we're saying the same thing? Okay! So that's what so you're saying not let any of them accounts are.

E

Blatant I think this is really critical right, because the answer we just got and no offense mr. Chen yeh- is that if we don't delete those, if we, if we allow those two positions to be filled or created, there is no incentive for parks and PGM to talk and then save money on the resources. Pgm is theoretically saving parks, planning resources with our new parks development program, the parts planner used to do everything manage the consultant.

E

Do the problem mean the whole thing now the developers are basically doing everything and the parks planner is have some mild oversight. With the counselors office, there dis encouraging the departments to talk together and move resources around for yes, they're held in separate departments, but at the end of the day, more or less the same functions. I think you should encourage.

A

That coordination- let's see.

E

A

E

Do if they need some bridging hire, someone temporarily but I'd, prefer to see if they can coordinate work together, as actually either use those savings in PGM to help parks or how it's going to work before we go and create two or three new new positions can.

B

I just ask a question of staff, then, based on what you just said, our structure, the our org chart, if you will doesn't work that way and that's why you have this separation right and what it should. We all have different opinions on how things work and what's taken us a long time to get to where we are today. But that's not what's up for discussion today.

B

Right that'll be discussion that that we have at a later date, so before I go to Council Brockington council early for councilor, Sher, Ali, Khan, search and Shenko I wanted to on this one item. I wanted to just ask you to tell us succinctly why you need the full time. I know you've spoken to it, but I think that we need to understand that and how it's going to be paid for. We know that that's going to be our 10%.

J

The two positions that were created as part of the 2012 report, with the 10% levy to pay for them of CIL projects, was a reflection that counselors had a level of frustration that the delivery on projects given the short construction season and the volume of projects that Ward CIL funding had created.

J

Projects in the timely fashion, and so these positions are dedicated to very specifically take the projects that are generated from the CIL and delivering on those the rest of the unit works on tax funded capital projects, our grant projects that are generated, the generate capital projects, and it's simply a volume thing, and in fact, if the resources from other departments that could come and do that.

J

That's not I, don't believe that that is a reality at this point that both units, both the new Park Planning Unit and the existing Park Planning Unit on their plate. Thank.

B

You so there's mr. Moser just comment. Mr. Moser, on the benefit, you see two staff resources with the new.

B

That we have established.

B

Thank you very much. Okay,.

B

Parkington counselor, Parkington I think.

K

The question you asked was the main one instead of debating as just what is the impact on the department's without this and whether or not we are willing to accept that risk or that impact I'd like to know if, if we decide not to proceed with staff, but we want to deal with this at budget time, what the impact is in between now and then, if anything.

E

B

Continue on with temporaries, which has been problematic for them, keeping the resources and they've been losing those people that they brought in to do that, the, but that type of project so.

K

Do members of the committee want to address this now or take them out and have a more fulsome discussion of budget time? I think that's the question that we should be considering. Thank you.

B

Okay, but if you're thinking of that you may want to amend the motion casually /. Thank.

D

You and looking to understand the the relationship between the 10% surcharge or the charge on me, the fees versus what it's actually going to cost to hire these three FTEs we've had some really rich years, multi-million dollar years in terms of revenues coming in. Presumably in a year in which there is seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, for example, being allocated to planners the three up to ease. Do we have are not going to cost us anywhere near that much.

D

How are we proposing to handle the the difference between what's coming in with that ten percent versus what they actually cost, because one of the advantages I do here the disadvantages that you're speaking to of having them temporary contracts, contract staff it can expand and contract according to see the activity that's taking place in our in our parts, portfolio I think we're creating a bit of a disconnect here between, what's actually coming in versus a fixed cost year after year.

J

Through the chair, some of their concerns were raised in 2012 and over the last two years, I think it's borne out that, even though we have in some years collected a bit more than we've spent, that's mostly because of difficulty filling the positions on a temporary basis, but we had agreed that we would look at the amount of dollars that are being collected through this program and if they became excessive, if we were collecting more than we actually needed, then we would adjust that to do that, because we don't want to create a surplus needlessly and that's not our intent.

J

The ten percent was an estimation that, as we look at the projects that came in and what we potentially would have made, we found staff and been able to retain them. It would have been just about right, but I think that would be essentially to continue to monitor that and then, if we hit a point where we said you know really before the for seeing a little bit, we really we really don't need to take to ten percent. Then then we simply wouldn't I. Think.

D

It'd be interesting to see that analysis in terms of real dollars between the what discrepancy there is, if any, between ten percent versus what we actually need. So thank you.

B

A

Right, yes, so back a couple years ago, staff just mentioned that we did go through the one change council tried to make to a budget was to add one park. Planner I, don't know. If you remember that debate, we debated for close to three hours at budget time about the horrific impact on a budget where we have 17,000 employees of adding one park planner and through that process we ended up saying no so I, don't think we want to rely on that process to achieve the outcome.

A

We're looking for here, because the outcome we're looking for here is actually to get things moving in the in the department and I. Think staff have laid out a very persuasive case today as to why we need to go ahead with this one now I I, also like mr. Shinde sense of humor, where he said that they do their best not to create surpluses and they've, certainly certainly proven able to do that. So, let's, let's, let's stick with the need.

A

We have in front of us today what's address that need today, because it's a need of today and we can still examine how we funded later a budget time if we want to make the change, but today, I think they've made a strong case, for example,.

B

If the 10% isn't doing the funding isn't sufficient to do the funding, they want to hear that information as well councillor shaker last speaker to this motion. Please.

G

Thank you very much and yes, we do have to go back a couple of years and remind ourselves where this came from. I was actually the one who, after two years in office, had frankly been embarrassed too many times. I was not engaging in hyperbole, where I brought to our attention that I could not get new garbage cans installed in Borough Park I could not get new benches. Why? Not?

G

Because we did not have the parks planning staff to go through the projects, things as simple as that I could not spend the money that I had because we did not have the staff I tried to get permanent staff added and, as councillors really reminds us council balked at that, and so the workaround of the 10% was the way of dealing with this.

G

We were not particularly happy with that, because that was 10% less to actually go towards the projects, but realizing that this was a compromise to be made in order to get the staffing that was supported and we found ourselves in this situation. However, in 2015 I am almost as embarrassed because it is almost as hard to get projects rolled through because we have had trouble retaining hiring and retaining staff. Why?

G

Because they're temporary, so we have heard from our top managers that, based now on close to three years experience with this 10% approach that we are not being successful in hiring and retaining the staff we need. So that is a problem that we have now I, don't see it changing. We have to deal with it now, or else I will have to continue to tell all the residents of my community and many of you will sorry I've got the money.

G

You got the need, but we can't process the projects we've identified because we're not able to retain retain staff. The proposal is that we make the staff permanent so that we attract good and we keep good people and they get better and more efficient and we get to work with them and they get to know our communities I think. That is why we need to continue to support this program and not a motion to defer.

B

Okay, Thank You counselor here before I, wrap up by this motion just.

C

A quick point, like I'm hearing councillors, concerned about using CIL funds for lifecycle purposes, but I'm, getting the sense that we're willing to start using CIL funds to staff which, instead of using the normal budget process, we want to start using our CIL funds, hire staff.

B

E

That's why we have been using them on a temporary basis.

J

C

To turn them into permanent position so therefore you'd be using CIL funds to create permanent positions. I, really doubt it's gonna stop at the three, but from what you're saying you'd like to have a lot more staff, that's what you want to use your CIL on in your area. That's great! But I, don't want my CIL funds going towards staff. I want to go to my community and say that this cache that was raised because certain communities did not take park space or Park Place wasn't available.

C

It went to improving green space, not hiring full-time staff. That may not be needed in two years time and.

B

Mr. Mazzy was just talking to me the fact that, when that analysis is done and we aren't going to have reporting if this has passed on to really past the quarterly, as we go on deferral and it's in the report- the quarterly reporting, we will identify that and he said that three staff people if it works out that they're not needed as there's attrition and that sort of thing and remember those of us on the Planning Committee, which are the majority people at table. How aggressive our work plan is in this term as well.

B

So, but thank you for that on the motion. Where is it? So? This is the motion that says that, whereas changes have been approved in the park planning process of a new staff and project manager, role from concept to delivery, to a new advisory function of identifying minimum requirements for a park and then coming back well as the benefits of these changes are still being confirmed, and it would be premature to make permanent the three positions, therefore be it resolved that the clause issue, six, adding three permanent positions be deleted. So on that we're gonna.

B

Take days and days again, everybody on board with what we, what it's asking: okay, counselor Blaine. This is on the QB motion. Yes, yes, Kenzie Brockington! Yes, because of shoe Ellen Oh,.

E

Councillor kucheng, yes, counselor here bring yes, counselor Lupe, no.

D

B

Coast recovering yes based you're tuning.

D

B

Myself, no and that's five four in support two for against, so that nation wins.

B

Does this motion going to do these motions all go to council miss mr. mr. mark? Yes, madam, thank you very much. So we have another one and it's from cancer he'll, be that the clients on phone, any of lifecycle projects be amended to apply only to projects. The treasurer confirms our forecasted to be abundant to be funded in that budget year. That council.

C

Moving, if I could just ask for clarification on this because sometimes heard just before wrap-up from staff I think Mr curry mentioned that. Currently the report is not recommending that we do the front ending. If that's the case, we don't need this motion unless somebody around here wants to create a front ending model which I'm not really interested.

G

C

Thought I heard Mr curry, say just before wrap up that. Currently there is nothing in this report that would create the front ending mechanism. I know I was one I think I heard some other counselors talked to that that we thought that the report was recommending creating a fun ending model where you would use CIL to front-end projects as far out as 2018 just.

I

To clarify it share, the report still does recommend that you can front end bet that the word cancer balance is not paid back, not pay back. There is discussion in July whether the word balance should be repaid back. The report is still unamended. They're not.

C

Madam chair I withdraw the motion because I'm okay with that recommendation, okay.

B

So we're withdrawing that one.

B

My last one is from counselor Tierney I. Think it's a really clarification a be. It resolved that the clause, any capital project associate associated with land, that is not a public park, be replaced with the following any capital project associated with land. That is not either one of a public park or being used for recreational purposes. Okay, clear is that carriage or do we need yeas and nays. Look.

D

Book reading is reputationally assuming.

B

E

From councillor, Blake is solely if a private right, if a private enterprise has a soccer field, a recreation at the recreation facility, it doesn't say it has to be a city-owned piece of land, that's being used for recreation, just says: land, that's being used for recreation. So are we gonna get in? Let's put city money into the center or something let's say exactly so.

K

Madam chair there's another closet that says it has to be sitting home. There is another cause, it says it has to be city-owned.

B

Okay, so is this motion carry carry? Thank you. I.

B

Think that's a mr. Feeny! Oh.

F

B

We have a direction, there's a direction to staff that councillor Reaper, oh I, know it's been a fun time. We've got people that are waiting for the next two items and 12:30 is approaching. If there's a miracle that we can get it in by 12:30 and I, think it's possible, we won't be taking a lunch and we'll just do it, and but I may have to come back and ask you to waive the rules. Okay.

B

So on this item there is direction to staff from counsel Reaper, that staff introduced a pilot program for the awards of Rito Vanier, Capital, Somerset and Kitsch asipi to address the shortage of cash in lieu funding and prioritize park improvements accordingly. Now I think that that's going to have to be voted on on, because otherwise every person around the table is going to talk. Don't forget all of you get large amounts of section 37, which none of us get right, so I mean there's like two sides to this.

B

So it's a direction but I, and usually you don't have to support. We don't have to vote on it, but I just can tell the sands. Are shifting right.

B

Normally but again, normally we don't vote on a direction correct. Mr. mark.

K

That's correct, madam chair, so.

B

If you wanted to keep that as a direction, I would suggest, because it's just being thrown out today. Sorry it comes away. Do you have a suggestion? Why.

E

So I have some questions because I don't know what a pilot project would mean, but I think there has to be some unity around a direction as well right. If there's that's the whole point of it, it can't just be well I'm, gonna direct them to not raise taxes next year. I can't just be by myself yeah like yeah.

B

Exactly so, I think that what I would I would suggest that we do so. We parked this for today and just have a direction to staff that we receive a memo from the department with comments on how that could work, that'd be okay, all right, good, okay, so on the report as amended, do you want yeas and nays, or do you are we just going to carry it.

J

B

And nays, hang on till I find my pattern. Here we go on the report as amended: okay, counselor Blaine. Yes, in.

E

B

Ellie no chemistry, Luce, yes, cows are hubely. Yes,.

C

With big smiles that.

B

You're then change your mind: council reaper, no cancer, Kadri. Yes,.

D

B

Chair tyranny, no.

D

B

Myself, yes, one two three, four: five: six to three in favor of the item as amended I have thank you, everybody and thank you. Everybody in the audience for a stay at hanging in here, I'm sure that you're all constituent somewhere that will benefit from this discussion. One thing that I have to do is asked a councilor tyranny. If you remember, we deferred item number nine, which was the front ending agreement for the tenth line, pumping station sanitary overflow and we said September the 8th would be it could come back.

B

The the applicant or the fund ending company madami has asked that that be September 22nd, so I need the rules waived that we can discuss this move by Councillor, bleh and then councillor Tierney. Are you willing to move that so we'll come back to us on September 22nd? Is that Carrie Carrie? Thank you? Okay! So now we're off and running to item number 10 and Miss Collins is going to be coming up and does anyone want a we had a presentation at built heritage?

B

Does any more the presentation on this, or would you like to have pictures up on the screen with that? Suffice pictures and we do have registered speakers so we'll go to the speakers. First I think. Okay, all right so I have two speakers. I have, and this is the application to alter the city works, building, seven baby Road, a property recently protected under part for the Antonio, Heritage Act and just um I just wanted to say as well on that last report before well.

B

You're getting ready, miss Collins is that you know we need to understand that that and because of all the conversation, I think that everyone will know that the report is progress because it makes the handling of those funds a lot clearer and more transparent for the public. Therefore, especially with that quarterly reporting, so Plus further discussion ahead as possible.

B

This fall at the community forum, which is on November, 7th, Saturday November, 7th. Okay, you ready.

H

Thank you, madam chair I. Don't know if the committee would like a brief intro to the windows situation. Yes, okay, so just everybody on the committee should have received a memo from mr. Mizzy. Regarding the windows at the seven Bayview site, there was a direction from the built heritage subcommittee for staff to reevaluate. The proposed windows proposed replacement windows for this project with the proponent. So we did that and I can show you a couple of options that we have looked at. These are the existing windows.

H

Most of the windows in the building are proposed for replacement with new aluminum windows that have a compatible pattern to the existing window, but not exactly the same. So this was the direction to staff director to work with the project team to explore improvements to the windows.

H

So last week we met with the applicant and looked at two options so replacing the windows on the front elevation with new windows that replicate the historic window pattern or replacing all the windows that were proposed for replacement with new windows that replicate the historic windowpane pattern. So this was option one. So you can see this sorry I've got to get the right Mouse here.

H

This shows the replaced windows here and over here with windows that match what is there already and then on this side? Elevations, you would have something that is different than the historic pattern, and then this is option two, which shows the windows being replaced all across the building with windows that match the existing historic windows staff and the proponent both agreed that this option. If, if there was to be another option, this option is the better one.

H

The building is not a building that is seen only from the front because of the way it's angled on the site and so having two different types of windows was seen as not very unified for the design of the building. This option would an additional, approximately $100,000 on the cost of the part of the windows. Overall, the current cost for the proposed replacement windows is approximately four hundred and five thousand so be about a twenty five percent increase in the overall cost.

H

So that's that's up to the committee to consider that was the direction we received from Bill Terry subcommittee to bring this forward to committee and council in advance of their consideration of the report based on feedback from both the both councilor looper and the Community Association and the heritage community. On this item.

B

Why don't I have the delegations come forward? First, okay and hold questions. Is that sound, fair? Okay? So first up I'd like to invite Ian Frazer director of the Innovation Center at Bayview, yards Nancy, Milosh and Carolla blow Dorn bulton kerala was irate. The first is a Corolla or Corolla Road, both followed by David jeans.

F

Thank you, madam chair members of the committee. My name is Nancy Milosh and I have Ian Frazer here with me, who is also on the board of directors for the Innovation Centre I. Think they're, primarily here to answer questions, but we're certainly here in support of the staff recommendation.

B

And as I say, there's any questions in I, don't know if you have comments great and I just will say while resting or chatting there. If anybody wants to ask questions of the applicant, please let me know, but I was speaking with the mayor yesterday and he was talking about how he looks at this opportunity for the city as one that we had with the horticultural building and the net benefit for the city.

B

With that investment that we made, and if you remember we we've just recently quite when did we designate this was in April yeah, so just this year that we designated it because it's important it's sort of like the same situation and look at how amazing that the investment in the horticulture Center has been so. My question is, since nobody has said that they have a question. How does the timing affect you? If, for example, we were able to find $100,000 somewhere if there was the willingness of the committee to find that?

B

How does that affect your timing? I.

F

Might ask them is Liana just a comment or not? Who is our owner's representative, but the building has to be delivered by fall of 2016 in order for invest Ottawa to move from.

B

Their current location on Aberdeen Preston straight over to the new building, so.

F

It's on the project.

E

Renovation lease that it's on a very tight tight timeline, but I just asked her off. If you have any.

F

B

Yes, thank you. So we've discussed that with the architects this morning, the.

H

Design-Build team and if we were to request the change at this point, it wouldn't have a substantial impact on the schedule because we are still between 50%, complete design documents and 95% review sets. So hopefully that wouldn't have a major impact on the schedule at this point. Well,.

B

That's important but I guess as important I did contact mr. Bashir and we have the information from Miss Collins as well, that there isn't a funding source for the hundred thousand dollars. Are you all in agreement of that there isn't some extra cash money.

J

B

I understand, okay, so does Soquel. Sir glai has a question to what.

E

Level is the design already.

B

What do you mean by that are.

E

We in a class like how, far along in the design early so.

J

F

To get a quick review, the project was.

H

Tendered as a design-build tender, so we had basically a conceptual design that was provided by the design-builder. They have a fixed contract price for that design. So any.

E

Changes that we would make.

H

At this point,.

E

Would be considered a change order to their contract.

F

85 percent contract.

H

Documents so very close to having tender documents ready for construction. Sure.

E

So the chances of finding the money say these internal of the project. I think at this point are probably pretty low. Typically, you run into things that add cost says you're building, not things that save money so I'd be hesitant to it would be nice. Maybe if you could have these upgraded windows, but if we want to keep to a fixed budget envelope, I'm, not sure that that's really that's really possible.

B

Thank you good question. Counselor leaper questions, counter brockington as well. This is to the delegation. Okay, thank you very much for coming forward and I'll. Ask mr. David jeans to come forward and then counselors. If you have any questions of staff after the delegation after you've asked mr. jeans questions. If you have mister jeans is, is a president of Heritage oughta was that the title or chair.

I

President and chair of the board, so you may be for my sins.

I

Presentation which I've just forwarded to the members of the committee which we presented at built heritage subcommittee, there was a very vigorous discussion of that committee, which was in line with the concerns that we had raised, particularly in paragraphs 3, & 4 of our submission, but I want to say, first of all that we were strongly supportive of this adaptive, reuse and of the city leading the way in adapting such a decaying building of significant heritage value in a prominent location to a to a new use and certainly showing the way and setting a standard for the private sector to follow.

I

So we have the concern about the windows and and I think that option two is that you're looking at here is a great improvement over the very small number of windows that were actually going to have a heritage of sensitive restoration before we were supportive of the main entrance to the building, which is also a major intervention, but was really justified as an essential part of the adaptive reuse and, in fact, the whole design. In this picture.

I

You can also see that there's a connecting passageway added up on the roof, which we also think is a sensitive part of the design, so we're happy with the design, but we also mentioned in in our submission that the city itself, previously with the designation of the Briarcliff Conservation District, stressed how important window treatments are in in respecting Meritage buildings, and so we had the concern that this would really be sending the wrong signal to the private sector of the city didn't meet its own standards on on this important development.

I

So I think that's all I have to say and I hope that you can go with with option 2. Thank.

B

You thank you, mr. Jane's. Some any comments on mr. Jane's comments with silence.

H

I, don't think so. I think the fact that they replacement windows different is acknowledged in the report as potentially having a negative impact on the Harwich value of the building. But the proposed windows that are recommended for approval in the report are deemed to be compatible as well, so windows are not or something we could always consider in with great detail and not usually discussed as public places.

B

Thank you any questions of mr. Jane's Thank You, mr. Jane's, okay, that is it for the speakers throughout the delegation, so questions councillor brockington thank.

K

You, madam chair our staff, revising the recommendation or is the original recommendation. What we have proposed.

B

E

You, madam chair, no, the recommendation in our report still stands. Can.

K

I have a better understanding of what benefits there would be if we proceeded with the replacement windows other than the look to them. What additional benefits, if any, are there by proceeding with the replacement windows over the original windows original, not meaning original the building but original to the renovated plan.

H

The windows in this building were identified as one of its heritage attributes at the time of designation, so they are considered to be a significant feature of the building. The proposed replacement windows of the department is recommending approval of through the report are not an exact replica which doesn't meet entirely. The standards and guidelines for the conservation of Historic Places in Canada, so replacing them with a replica would more closely meet those standards which have been adopted by council and would unify the the look of the building. So it's a design benefit only.

K

So what I'm struggling with is whether or not we wish to arena debate now or just questions.

B

K

I would like to hear from others if others wish to speak, but what I'm trying to wrestle with is by respecting the heritage value of the building. The look and feel that building and I applaud the fact that the Innovation Centre is moving into the center because in an essence, will retain and restore a building. That certainly needs significant TLC about whether the additional funds to get a window that is more like the original is a wise investment of taxpayer dollars and I.

K

Believe there are significant buildings in the city that need to be retained and restored for their heritage, value and I'm, not sure whether enough it's quote unquote good enough to retain the building without the value added of a and whether we can live with the original plan as presented and not spend the extra. So that's what I'm wrestling with, because I applaud, what's being done with the building and I'm, not sure whether or not I want to go that extra bit to get a window.

K

That looks more like the original, so at the moment, I'm not swayed to invest the extra money, because I believe the windows that we'll be going in will suit the purpose. There will be 2015 type, modern-day windows but I'm again, I'm open to hearing from others.

B

Thank you for those comments. Kelsey leaper thank.

D

You just in response to councilor broad cantons remarks we are talking about heritage, the it's not a tax payer value question.

D

The question is whether or not we need to invest those funds in order to maintain the building as a heritage building within the the parameters of the Heritage Act and tax payer value is not something that I'm considering on this particular project, despite the fact that you know really, what we're talking about is 1% I think that the the overall project envelope somewhere around there in terms of the provincial contribution that said the Act, does allow for alterations to heritage buildings is a question of it being a practical I think there is a question of what can we practically do here?

D

Our church staff have done some great work in terms of bringing us a couple of options to look at given the tightness in the the project budget year as at built H of subcommittee when I participated in it, I am NOT asking my colleagues to to direct or to otherwise forces our heritage folks and invest our will to find those savings internally I'm disappointed it couldn't be found.

D

The it would have been nice to have a larger envelope to do this envelope, but to do this building, but it's not so I'm I'm going to be voting with the staff recommendation this afternoon. Thanks thank.

B

You very much anyone else care to speak on this item so on the staff recommendation that carried. Thank you very much. Everybody.

C

B

Have a motion now from Vice Chair charity.

D

This is actually just to bring us directly to Council because of the urgency of the of the construction and the time I had the critical timelines that have to be met tomorrow, 26 of August 2015.

B

Just sorry, I have my mic up that this item on Bayview will be the question. The motion is to that it go to Council tomorrow, August 26.

D

Question is asked why it's.

I

D

To be undertaken lightly, obviously, a.

H

Building for this project cannot be issued until a heritage permit has been issued, and so due to the construction timing, there's a looking to get a balloon permit the first couple of weeks of September. So we need to get the heritage from it in so that it can all start going through the system.

F

The building permit process.

H

I think it's a void through the system. It's a pretty big permits, I think it's already in and some of the structural work, some of the structural non heritage. Elements of the project are already going through the plans, examination stage but I think they're aiming for mid-september.

I

B

Just like yeas and nays Kerry. Thank you very much. Okay, and our last item is the designation of Champlain oil gas station at seventy Richmond Road under part, four of the Ontario Heritage Act and Miss Collins you're gonna, put just a slide up right, just just a picture whatever you like.

B

Anybody want a presentation on this sorc or just the picture sufficient picture sufficient there. It is okay with committees, indulgence, I suggest that we go. We have four speakers and I suggest that we go to the speakers first. The delegations have them come forward. First up is Duff Mitchell and Paul Forester board members of the island, Park Drive community association. Are you still here, gentlemen? Thank you.

B

We haven't had a lot of delegations today, but I think that you've been here before, and you know that the drill is five minutes for a presentation. Thank you.

B

We've had quite a bit of written communication on this as well.

E

I'm good day, we very much appreciate the opportunity to discuss this matter. My name is Daphne John Partridge, Community, Association I'm, accompanied by Paul Forester, also of the Community Association.

E

What we want to do is very succinctly explain to you our position on seventy on the heritage, designation of seventy Richmond Road and how we have come to that position.

E

First of all, our position- the Community Association, strongly supports, through our recommendation by built heritage subcommittee, to designate seventy Richmond Road as a site of significant cultural heritage, value and interest under part four of Ontario Heritage Act.

E

We had submitted a letter to that effect for the August 13th subcommittee meeting, our association on Park Drive, Community Association, as I'm sure most, who know represents an impact drive which is approximately three kilometres, consists of some 200 households, six or so embassies, or a variety of ambassadorial residents. It was created as a scenic Parkway in 1910, and it is governed actually by covenants held by the National Capital Commission covenants were refer to the character, look etc of the history and the Board of Directors, and the boy community association consists of nine members.

E

We were thought to have members represent each of the three major sections of the Street North himself. The board was elected at the AGM meeting on May 28th and our main focus as a Community Association is on enhancing the streets, historical character and quality of life.

E

Our processing coming to this decision for this meeting, we had the opportunity to spend a few hours with a representative of Maine and Maine at our board meeting on the evening of August 13th following the built heritage subcommittee meeting at that meeting, we had a very frank and open discussion on the issue and, following that meeting and the board had further discussion and which resulted in a unanimous position of support for heritage for this site.

E

Previous to this, we had our due diligence included, participating in the developers, public meetings that were held in 2014, but at that time heritage was not on the table as a factor to be considered at this site in 2015 heritage had dinner up here, and the public through could just be world meeting in April and through our annual meeting in May. We have also had outreach on this issue through our consultation with our residents and through our website and local papers.

E

Our reason, our reason rests on three positions that, yes, the building has a cultural heritage value that it is about retaining that cultural heritage value is consistent with the planning objectives of the Richmond Road and Wellington Street secondary plan, and that adaptive reuse of heritage gas stations is good economics since I don't have a couple minutes, I'll just be quick. We for cultural heritage value. We support, as I said earlier, the built area subcommittees.

E

With respect to planning objectives- and we understand that 17 this world is a site up as a site of cultural heritage, value is entirely consistent with the planning objectives of that secondary plan and as for adaptive, reuse of heritage gas stations as a city staff.

E

Many examples in Canada in the United States, where such heritage gas stations have been converted into very prosperous businesses, just two blocks or so from where we are here now, there's a Shell gas station, which is now the bacon factory. Well, it's my heritage. Gas station is a thriving restaurant as a result of adaptive reuse.

E

So, in conclusion, our intent in supporting modalities of community recommendation is not to block development of this site, but rather to support the development efforts while the same time preserving the site's cultural heritage, value for the community and for the city. Thank you very much. Thank.

B

You very much for your presentation, any questions, councillor Lapworth thank.

D

You I will keep it really brief. The first I wasn't aware of a restaurant called the bacon Factory and that's that's important news to.

D

Make sure things that I've been walking around the streets on email and social media is that there's widespread popular support for designating this heritage? You mentioned that you've done a fair bit of outreach. I mean oh we're talking about just a few people who support this or or do the residents of Island Park is? Is it a significant amount of support there.

E

That this issue has been very extensively. Most recently, could you Civic times has features a page article and in the same issue we have a third page article on our community association, with coordinates for anybody interested on how to contact us.

E

Who is opposed to the heritage designation? Everyone has indicated either support or their neutral on the issue. Most importantly, this was raised as I said that our Annual General Meeting, it's been profiled in our website. It's in the local papers. It's been in the Ottawa Citizen, as everyone here knows.

E

It's a very public issue that has to our knowledge, as an association, has only resulted in one the voice of opposition, which we fully respect by the way and which we were kept informed as to all the young dates for committees such as this and contact people and you've shared within our positions in advance of such meetings, so that they are on a equal playing field. Thanks.

D

And I read the report, there's some excellent additional history that the Community Association has dug up with respect to some local connections and how the early gasoline industry in Ottawa has evolved that this building is representative. Thank you very much. Mr. Mitchell. Thank you. Thank.

B

You for coming out I'd invite Carl ferny from fo 10:00 to come forward. Please and then David genes and then Andrew King.

B

Mr. ferny you're speaking on behalf of the applicant.

D

B

Madam chair yeah, five minutes. Thank you good.

D

Morning, madam chair members of committee, my name is Karl ferny I'm, a Senior Planner fo, ten consultants here in Ottawa I'm here today on behalf of Nina main developments, the owners of seventy Richmond Road. They cannot be here today, so I'll, be speaking on their behalf.

D

We have provided written submission outlining our reasons for not supporting the recommendation at this time and I'd like to briefly discuss some of those points at this time in general, we feel the designation is premature at this time, based on some key considerations on this by including existing conditions, as well as the planning context on the site.

D

The recommend the decision was made without the benefit of some key technical pieces of information out here, one of which is a structural assessment of the existing gas station building as it is, that has not been completed to date. That leads into knowing the components of the building knowing if they can be converted to any other type of use if it can be moved itself. The second is any kind of environmental assessment on the site dealing with the fact that the site may be dirty may need cleanup and may need remediation.

D

Without these studies, it is very hard to look at any kind of adaptive, reuse, Azam's, as was mentioned for this site. It is only a 9, her square foot, building or potentially, as was noted, moving the building around on site. Without these studies it is very hard. We feel that it's premature at this point to designate the second consideration is a larger one. As such, it's the greater planning context with this site. This is a corner site Road.

D

It's designated traditional Main Street in the City of Ottawa Official Plan policies of the traditional Main Street, promote medium density, mixed-use, development close to the street active uses, the policies also prohibit automotive uses, parking in front of buildings and other items additional items such as that, so in keeping the building where it is on the site, we do not feel like we would be meeting the intent of those policies.

D

Additionally, in the Richmond Road Westborough CDP and the secondary plan, this site is identified as a prominent opportunity redevelopment site specifically for a four-story mixed-use building. These plans also provide policy direction, moving away from car dealerships automotive uses and towards more active Street frontages buildings closer to the street. I also note that this site is not specifically noted as having any heritage value in those plans, which is something that made a main when they first purchased. The site did not have as a consideration in summary rested.

D

The recommendation does need not be supported at this juncture in order for Maine and Maine to move forward with development visions with the city in conjunction with the city on this site. We do knowledge that this may include specific requirements for additional studies, as outlined by the city based upon sea heritage, staffs recommendations, and we are okay with with those requirements. Thank you. Thank.

B

You very much I just want to ask: does anyone have any questions of mr. ferny?

B

Okay, thank you for coming out. I was some questions from the.

J

B

Arising from your comments to to miss Collins, thank you and they are when you are doing a typical or every time you go, you are, you are looking at designating a building under part, 4 part 5 of the entero Heritage Act. Do you typically do a technical assessment ever at all to see the the the wellness? If you will above a building.

H

Manager, no, we we don't cultural heritage value is not contingent on condition of a building. So no right.

B

I didn't think so, if I think about our lady, that we you looked at in the condition that it was in the states, Ville, Main, Street fire and the condition that it was in. It's not part of what you couldn't consider under the cultural and so and say it's a movie set with the environmental impact on the fact that it used to be a gas station or that sort of thing, and then I'd, just like you to speak to an idol and liken this a little bit to Broadview school.

B

And we took a lot of a lot of people were concerned about that designation.

B

But really, if you look at how you designate that the reason that in every single stage of questioning it ranked very high, what would you say about the your, your questioning, the whether this should be designated or not in the categories that apply under the cultural impact? Do.

H

You mean the criteria under the interior object, yes, okay, so there are, as you likely are all familiar the three criteria for designating a property under part for the interior Jack. The first is historical or associative value. The second is contextual value and the third is architecture or design. So under the first category of historical or societal value, the building is significant.

H

As an early example of a gas station in Ottawa in the first gas station in North, America was constructed in 1913 in Pennsylvania and in the 1920s there were approximately a hundred past, eight or sorry 35 gas stations, and by the time this building was built in 1934. There were over 150. So it's representative of that trend of the growth of the private automobile in Ottawa, which, as we discussed at length that built a subcommittee, is kind of ironic, given our planning framework now.

H

But it's representative of that trend from a contextual perspective, it's located along Richmond Road and while we've made it clear that there is a possibility to move this building, it has been identified that its location on Richmond Road is significant, because Richmond Road was originally the highway in and out of the city and would have been the location of many gas stations and service centers.

H

In fact, this corner at one point in time had gas stations on all four corners, so it's a very key location along Richmond Road and then from a design and physical value perspective. It is representative of a certain type of building gas stations from this period were often built to evoke another building type.

H

So in this instance we're looking at something that looks a little bit like an English cottage, with its steeple pitch roof, stucco cladding and it's sort of a very residential feel that is meant to fit in with the neighborhood that it's located in. So those are the three criteria that we use to evaluate, and that's that's where it came out that it meets all three. Thank.

B

You and, and just finally, the applicant is not in any way inhibited from moving it within the corner, the location it has on the lot. We.

H

Didn't identify its location on the lot as a heritage attribute in this designation. However, if the building were designated, the applicant would go through a process to alter the building if they wanted to move it. Okay, so.

B

Thank you for all that. Okay, we're five minutes left before 12:30, so I would presume that committee is going to want to finish this. We have two more speakers: okay, okay, good mr. jeans and followed by mr. king question.

B

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I

I just want to add a couple of things personally: I live in the West half of catch asipi and I'm very familiar with this site, and I have been personally closely involved in the last three heritage designations in the West half of kitc asipi.

I

The I just wanted to point out that the location of this building not only relates to Richmond Road. It also relates to Highland Park Drive and therefore the heritage of the parkway system in Ottawa, which the previous delegation pointed out. This driveway Drive was developed in in 1910, and so it was still relatively new in the early 1930s when this building was constructed and it actually as part of the streetscape of Island Park Drive, as well as the streetscape of Richmond Road.

I

In fact, there was a major traffic circle at that point originally where Highland Park crossed Richmond. Another point about it, which you can see from this picture when one might think about the appropriateness of this site as a gateway to the developing Westborough to the rest of it. But the multi-story building, which you see in the back of this picture, which is on the hesitation monastery site when that 114 Richmond Road another heritage designated building, was actually referred to by the planning department.

I

The reason for having a under 10 story building at that location was that that was viewed as the gateway to West bruh, not at the island, Park, Drive, intersection and, and so I think that it's it's it's significant in this location and I think that you've heard since designation really doesn't preclude the future alterations or relocations. Should you approve them? What you are really approving now is: does this building have a heritage value and we believe strongly that it does? Thank you. Thank.

B

You very much any questions for mr. genes. No Thank You mr. king.

B

Thanks for coming out today,.

E

Thank you, madam chair councils. Why should.

B

We try and preserve this whole gas station as Leslie brings it up.

E

Spinning wheel station.

E

B

E

We went through a lot of the details about the gas station last time. I won't go over them again, but this is the gas station in question and you might ask: why would we save this little gas station? Well, I will go through the history. We've already heard that the nature of our neighborhood is slipping away in West Bowl and unless.

B

We preserve these little pieces of history, we'll lose an important connection to our past for future generations. Its small building.

E

But many may not know why it's an important part of our history, so what we do to possibly save this. While we can look at other examples, such as in Toronto, they had a very similar gas station which they picked up, moved and restored in the United States. This style of service station has been placed on the National Register of Historic Places and they have been.

B

Converted into restaurants.

E

Like this one in Saratoga Springs.

B

Our friends at CNN even recognized the.

E

Importance of these gas stations- and they did a whole bit about how they're converted into trendy restaurants.

E

Now in this image here, you can see the gas station and, as the developers representative pointed out, it's a quite small building with a large piece of property in front of it, which may hinder possible development.

B

I see this as an opportunity to use imaginative development.

E

Such as maybe keeping it where it is and dropping a building over top with the sky lighting culture, maintaining the historic nature of the building inside another building that replicates the architectural style of the gas station with a residential feel like we talked about earlier steeply, pitched roof and stucco arched design, aesthetic to it.

B

The developer also talked about it being a hindrance in terms of developing a viable kind of building with tenants that would provide.

E

Profits we could adopt the area to use the same architectural style with the building enclosed, such as this version in California. We can also talk about moving the structure and that would open up the back part of the area where we can put in whatever you want in.

B

Behind it, maintaining that gateway feel and the design aesthetic that is very important to our neighborhood I. Just.

E

Want to thank you and I believe this is a unique. A visionary approach to the island. Park station could preserve its.

B

History, while addressing the demands of a modern neighborhood, it is becoming a growing trend elsewhere. To convert these old gas stations.

E

Into different uses.

B

E

To their high visibility and desirable corner locations in established neighborhoods, a transformation could happen with the proper vision and expertise. Thank you for your time. Thank.

B

You very much and any questions. Thank you very much for coming out today. Thanks for having me, does anyone have any comments to make about the.

B

Designation of the Champlain oil gas station, seventy Richmond Road under part for the Ontario Heritage Act is the item carried somebody's gonna answer and say: yeah. It carried okay. Thank you very much.

B

Are there any notices of motion.

B

There aren't there is a notice of motion, counselor leaper you're, going for notice of motion. Okay thanks. There might be a notice of motion while we're waiting for that. No no notices of motion any employees. How about some other business.

B

Okay, are we adjourned until the next meeting, which is Tuesday September 8 2015 thanks everybody.