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Planning Committee meeting – September 8, 2015 – Audio Stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
B
B
Welcome
everyone
we
have
forums
so
we're
gonna
get
started.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
and
the
items
I.
Don't
think
it
is
one
two
three
anymore
as
I
as
items.
One
two
item
to
correct.
Only
item
two
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
listed
above
item
listed
above
only
those
who
make
all
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted,
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
entero
Municipal
Board.
B
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
remember
to
the
Interior
Minister
Board
of
Council
does
not
adopt
amendment
within
120
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
Zoning
in
a
180
days
for
an
efficient
plan
and
then
that
a
comment
sheet
is
available
for
any
of
you
who
are
on
staff
to
to
sign
up.
If
you
would
like
to
speak
or
to
write
any
comments
on
any
of
these,
and
it
would
also
include
item
3.
C
B
Sorry
September,
thank
you
who
didn't
have
a
holiday
this
summer,
still
hoping
ok,
so
we
are
doing
that.
So
the
new
number
one
will
be
the
south
keys
to
blossom
Park
thanks
for
you,
community
design
plan
official
plan,
amendment
secondary
plan,
zoning
bylaw
amendment
we're
going
to
hold
that
for
a
present
staff
presentation
official
plan,
amendment
cost-sharing
for
park,
development
outside
the
Greenbelt
and
in
the
rural
area,
because
everybody
is
good.
Oh
man,
I
did
want
to
ask
mr.
mojo
just
because
it's
I've
had
a
few
people
on
council.
Ask
me:
what
is
that?
B
B
Everybody
gets
that
so,
for
example,
I
was
using
the
example
of
Richmond,
where
we
have
a
couple
of
very
small
developers
and
like
very
small
Richmond
longtime
residents
have
some
land
there
and
then
there's
three
larger
players,
and
so
one
of
them
will
be
putting
in
parks
of
their
own
other
than
district.
Everybody
should
continue.
It
can
should
contribute
to
it
so
that,
because
all
the
residents
moving
into
the
entire
area
will
run
their
benefit
from
it.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that
is
that
caring,
okay,
yes,
okay,.
B
E
I
just
get
a
better
understanding,
even
before
the
next
council
meeting,
what
the
waived
fees
would
be
for
the
Civic
Hospital
rebuild.
If
the
hospital
is
pegged
to
be
about
two
billion
dollars
from
what
I
understand
what
the
foregone
fees
would
be
for
the
City
of
Ottawa
I.
Don't
expect
staff
to
have
now,
but
I
just
think
it
would
be
I'm.
Looking
at
the
the
staff
report
and
all
the
examples
provided
are
fairly
small
projects,
I
think
we
should
also
know
what
we
would
be
giving
up
for
some
large
ones
that
we
know
are
coming.
B
E
B
And
you
know
we
did,
we
have
had
in
council
has
been
there
for
all
of
a
because,
of
course,
community
accountants
in
his
area
and
we've
had
this
discussion
time
and
time
and
time
again.
Thank
you
very
much
is
that
caring
I
see
okay,
thank
you
and
then
we
have
building
better,
revitalize
neighborhoods
program
framework
and
councillor
sponsor
group
hold
that
and
help
by
council
sure
le
and
then
we
have
the
status
update,
Planning,
Committee,
increase
and
motions
for
the
period
ending
28th
of
August
2015
received.
B
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I
have
with
me
Chris
Brower,
who
completed
the
work
on
the
South
Keith
Lawson,
Park
Secondary,
a
design
plan
and
community
design
plan,
rather
than
second
day
of
planning
and
associated
zoning,
also
have
Dana
callings
I
was
program
manager
for
the
group.
Basically,
what
we're
dealing
with
here
is
a
CDP.
G
H
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
introduction.
Mr.
Schmitt
chair
harder
members
of
committee,
just
before
I
begin,
I'll
introduce
Adam
how
old
to
the
right
of
Dana
Collins
Adam
did
the
transportation
related
work
for
the
CDP's,
with
Marshall
Macklin
monahan,
so
just
to
orient
the
committee
on
the
location,
the
CDP
area
is
outlined
in
red
on
this
plan.
It
encompasses
about
100
hectares
of
land,
I'll
use
the
pointer
on
the
mouse
here.
Bank
Street
runs
through
the
center
of
the
area
covers
about
three
and
a
half
kilometers
of
bank
in
this
location.
H
I'm
Club
Road
runs
east-west
through
the
middle
of
the
area
in
this
location
and
the
south
end
you
may
be
familiar
with
the
Oh
blossom.
Park
Plaza
in
this
location,
up
on
the
north
and
west
is
a
very
large
South,
Key
Shopping
Center
Plaza
in
this
area.
The
South
Keys
transit
station
is
here
in
this
yellow
star
and
green
borough
transit
station
and
this
star
Johnston
Road
in
this
location.
H
The
CDP
consultation
process
began
in
the
fall
of
2013
involved,
a
broad
cross-section
of
the
community
included
community
groups,
local
business
owners,
landowners,
a
technical
advisory
group.
The
public
at
large,
was
engaged
through
a
series
of
three
public
open
house
meetings
held
to
receive
response
and
input
on
the
proposals
of
each
iteration
of
the
CDP
and
secondary
plan.
There
was
also
a
design
charrette
held
to
prepare
a
concept
plan
for
the
new
mixed-use
area
and
regular
meetings
of
the
project,
public
and
business
advisory
groups.
H
Generally,
our
approach
was
to
permit
more
uses
of
land
in
each
of
the
areas
that
are
proposed
to
be
resumed,
improving
mobility
by
providing
for
safe,
direct
walking
and
cycling,
or
active
transportation
modes
throughout
the
CDP
area,
in
particular,
to
the
transit
stations,
but
also
out
to
the
community
surrounding
the
CDP
area,
an
increasing
livability
by
requiring
the
provision
of
parks,
plazas
and
squares,
high
quality
public
realm
elements
as
part
of
the
development
of
the
area.
Over
time.
H
The
document
itself
is
comprised
of
maps
and
illustrations
and
policies
that
will
guide
growth
in
the
area
over
the
long
term.
Again,
one
of
the
key
features
of
the
CDP
and
secondary
plan
is
a
creation
of
a
new
mixed-use
area
which
includes
the
south
key
shopping
center
and
surrounding
properties.
That
would
be
the
focus
of
growth
and
density
in
the
area
over
time.
Also,
we've
prepared
pedestrian
and
cycling
plans
that
will
ensure
connectivity,
as
I
mentioned,
to
the
transit
stations
and
throughout
the
CDP
area.
H
Is
they
refine
those
land
use
locations
by
putting
different
land
use
designations
along
Bank,
Street
and
in
other
areas
that
are
more
compatible
with
the
surrounding
community,
for
example,
the
dark
orange
area
on
the
screen,
our
areas
that
will
continue
to
be
designated
arterial,
Main
Street,
including
the
South
area?
Here
the
light
yellow
color
is
a
new
designation,
called
low
density
residential.
It
includes
land
on
both
sides
of
Bank
Street
in
this
area
on
Albion
Road
in
this
area
and
along
the
east
part
of
Bank
across
the
mixed
use
area.
H
The
dark
brown
is
a
high
density
residential
to
reflect
the
existing
21
story.
Apartment
buildings
that
are
there,
the
jewish
memorial
garden
cemetery,
is
in
a
cemetery
desert
in
this
area.
Land
along
Hunt,
Club
Road,
is
in
a
general
mixed
use,
designation,
the
pinky
area
delineates.
The
extent
of
the
new
mixed-use
area
includes
a
small
portion
of
land
on
the
on
the
north
and
east
corner
of
bank
and
Hunt
Club
and
all
over
land
west
of
Bank.
In
this
location.
The
employment
land
north
of
Johnston
Road
remains
is
in
an
employment
designation.
H
It's
difficult
to
see
on
this
screen,
but
some
of
the
land
is
identified
as
an
area
of
established
character.
You
can
see
this
light
diagonal
hatching
here.
That
applies
to
this
area
and
to
the
properties
up
here.
What
that's
meant
to
show
is
areas
that
are
currently
built,
they're
established
and
we're
not
expecting
change
in
those
areas
for
the
foreseeable
future.
So
in
those
areas
only
minor
infill
development
and
second
unit
additions
would
be
permitted.
You'll
also
notice.
Perhaps
there's
two
areas
shown
and
a
crosshatch
which
is
showing
areas
of
future
study.
H
One
of
them
is
north
of
Seaver,
a
road
in
this
area,
and
the
other
applies
to
the
employment,
land
and
Johnston
Road,
and
the
idea
and
those
two
locations
is
to
do
further
study
in
the
future.
The
determinant
of
variations
on
the
permitted
land
use,
building
height
with
the
location
of
buildings
along
the
street
would
be
permitted
in
those
areas,
and
those
studies
would
require
changes
to
the
CDP
and
secondary
plan
in
the
future.
If
changes
were
recommended
at
that
time,
the
CDP
and
secondary
plan
include
walking
and
cycling
plans
again.
H
This
will
ensure
connectivity
through
the
CDP
area
and
to
the
community
at
large.
This
is
an
example
of
the
pedestrian
plan.
It
shows
certain
improvements
to
be
implemented
over
time.
These
red
asterisks
show
enhanced
pedestrian
crossing
locations
or
several
of
them
recommended
the
light
gray
X
here
and
down
here
show
the
location
of
future
mid-block
crossings
to
make
it
easier
to
get
across
busy
street.
This
plan
also
shows
the
location
of
future
sidewalks.
H
One
of
the
things
that
came
through
in
the
public
sessions
for
this
project
was
the
gaps
and
sidewalk
along
Bank
Street
South
in
this
area.
So
this
plan
shows
the
addition
of
those
in
the
future.
There's
also
several
you
multi-use
pathways
proposed,
in
particular
through
the
mixed
use
area,
to
give
direct
off-road
access
to
the
to
transit
stations
and
in
this
location,
under
the
Hunt
Club
bridge
to
the
new
pedestrian
overpass
along
Trillium
Line
in
the
future
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning
that
a
design
charrette
was
held
for
the
mixed
use
area.
H
The
purpose
of
that
design
charrette
was
to
create
a
concept
plan
for
the
future
development
of
this
particular
location
in
the
CDP.
The
idea
was
for
this
process
to
generate
elements
that
would
inform
the
CDP
in
terms
of
desirable
urban
design
components.
So
in
particular,
what
came
out
of
this
exercise
was
the
location
of
and
the
size
and
form
and
function
of
parks.
Plazas
and
squares
are
shown
in
brown
on
this
plan
very
small
urban
areas,
it
included
the
protection
of
the
sawmill
creek
corridor
and
the
proximity
of
buildings
along
that
valley.
H
It
showed
street
landscaping
a
new
main
street
through
the
center
of
the
mixed
use
area
on
this
location
and
also
the
location
of
various
heights
of
buildings
in
the
mixed
use
area
that
are
appropriate
for
the
context
of
the
community,
so
on
permitted
building
Heights,
both
the
secondary
plan
and
CDP
include
this
diagram
and
it
shows
the
locations
for
proposed
permitted
building
heights.
The
general
approach
was
to
arrange
the
tallest
buildings
with
the
best
proximity
to
the
transit
stations
and
this
sort
of
salmon
color
I'll
call
it
pinkish
dark,
pink.
H
The
permitted
building
height
is
up
to
21
stories
and
it's
oriented
around
the
South
Keyes
transit
station,
two
pockets
in
this
area
around
the
green
borough
transit
station
of
up
to
21
stories.
The
medium
blue
color
would
permit
buildings
of
up
to
15
stories
on
this
north
end
of
Bank
and
around
the
intersection
of
Bank
and
on
Club.
The
light
blue
areas
in
the
center
of
the
mix
juice
area
would
permit
up
to
12
stories
and
again
on
the
north
side
of
unclogged
Road
up
to
a
maximum
of
12
stories.
H
Again.
Both
the
CDP
and
secondary
plan
include
public
realm
plan,
and
this
is
to
ensure
that
his
development
happens
over
time
that
we
don't
lose
the
important
things
that
will
make
the
mixed
use
area
a
people
place.
This
shows
the
location
of
the
parks,
plazas
and
squares.
I
was
mentioning,
and
this
plan
has
shown
in
green
with
a
blue
dot.
The
plan
also
shows
the
locations
for
to
potential
community
facilities
shown
by
these
red
dots.
H
H
The
proposed
Official
Plan
amendments
create
new
secondary
plan
for
the
entire
CDP
area.
The
secondary
plan
contains
the
policy
basis
for
all
of
the
CDP
elements,
and
particularly
the
land
use
in
building
height
plans,
I
presented
a
few
moments
ago
that
creates
the
new
mixed-use
area
that
I
presented,
which
is
the
focus
of
highest
densities
in
the
community.
So
the
amendment
moves
the
existing
minimum
density
requirement
from
the
length
of
Bank
Street,
which
is
120
people
and
jobs.
H
The
amendments
also
proposed
changes
to
the
arterial
main
street
and
major
open
space
designations.
This
is
a
plan
that
shows
that's
primarily
the
new
mixed-use
area,
the
arterial
main
street
designation
north
of
Hunt
Club
Road,
and
this
location
would
be
removed
since
it's
being
replaced
with
the
new
mixed-use
area
designation
and
the
land
use
designation
along
the
Trillian
line.
The
railway
track
right-of-way
presently
has
major
open
space.
H
Most
properties
in
the
CDP
area
are
proposed
to
be
resumed
to
conform
with
the
CDP
direction
and
secondary
plan.
The
general
approach
to
rezoning
was
to
align
the
building
heights
and
permit
more
uses
of
land
on
each
of
the
properties
proposed
to
be
rezone.
This
is
a
map
that
shows
the
proposed
rezoning
areas
along
Bank,
Street,
south
of
Hunt
Club
Road,
which
is
located
here
in
the
north
of
the
plan
in
this
area.
The
dark
orange
properties
are
currently
zoned
arterial,
Main
Street.
H
The
only
change
proposed
for
those
dark
orange
areas
are
to
increase
the
building
height
permission
from
8
storeys
to
9
storeys
and
that's
to
align
the
permitted
building
height
with
an
existing
Official
Plan
permission
for
up
to
9
storeys
in
these
locations.
The
ability
to
construct
the
building
to
that
height
in
any
of
these
locations
is
limited
by
existing
building
high
transition
requirements
in
the
zoning
bylaw,
and
that
has
the
effect
of
stepping
down
building
heights.
H
If
you're
constructing
a
building
abutting
any
lower
density
residential
zone,
the
two
yellow
areas
went
along
Albion,
Road
and
along
the
east
side
of
Bank
Street
near
st.
Bernard,
stay
and
lower
density
residential
zones,
but
they
are
proposed
to
be
rezone
to
add
additional
residential
uses
at
a
maximum
building
height
of
three
and
a
half
stories.
This
area
on
the
south
side
of
Club
Road
today
is
zoned
a
light
industrial
zone
as
proposed
to
change
to
a
mixed
use
zone
and
that
would
allow
the
of
commercial
uses
and
residential
to
those
properties.
H
At
a
maximum
permitted
building
height
of
six
storeys
in
new
mixed-use
area,
most
of
the
properties
are
being
rezone
from
either
an
arterial
main
street
zone
general
mixed-use.
So
long
as
that,
the
areas
in
pink
on
this
plan
to
be
rezone
from
those
two
zones
to
the
mixed-use
Center
zone
that
has
the
effect
of
adding
additional
uses
of
land,
but,
in
particular
the
ability
to
construct
high-rise
residential
uses
up
in
the
northerly
area.
The
north
part
of
the
park
and
ride
is
proposed
to
be
rezone
from
arterial,
Main
Street
to
an
open
space
zone.
H
That's
so
that
that
area
conforms
with
the
Official
Plan
designation
of
major
open
space,
but
a
zone
exception
would
be
included
that
would
permit
the
existence
and
long-term
use
of
that
area.
For
the
park-and-ride
this
section
of
sawmill
creek,
that's
located
north
of
Dazs
a
would
be
rezone
from
a
general
mixed
use
zone
to
an
environmental
protection
zone
to
reflect
that
natural
corridor.
It's
the
same
zone
that
applies
to
sawmill
creek
to
the
south
of
the
plan
and
south
of
Hunt
Club
Road.
H
F
F
Off,
congratulations.
I
know
these
CDP's
intensive
efforts.
It
looks
like
you
have
some
great
community
feedback.
My
question
reading
this
plan
a
couple
of
times
relates
particularly
to
the
South
Keyes
shopping
center
area.
You've
got
two
public
transit
stations
there
and
I'm
struck
by
the
fact
that
the
height
would
be
limited
in
the
most
intense
areas
to
21
stories
across
the
city.
We've
got
Tod
s
in
my
community.
We've
got
things
like
the
Bayview
Yards,
the
Gladstone
spine,
where
we're
seeing
really
significantly
higher
heights
minute
the
height
in
these
areas.
F
Next
to
transit
stations,
221
stories,
that's
appropriate
for
intensification,
it's
right
on
the
transit
corridors.
The
impacts
are
going
to
be
mitigated
to
to
the
adjacent
nowise
neighborhoods,
which
are
some
distance
away.
Why
would
I
would
characterize
Heights
in
this
area?
That's
ripe
for
intensification
and
maybe.
B
H
You
through
the
chair
councillor
the
reason
for
the
cap
at
21
stories.
It
is
a
bit
of
a
different
number,
as
the
area
is
under
control
of
the
Ottawa
Airport
Authority.
So
it's
a
zoning
eye
regulation
imposed
by
by
the
airport
that
limits
buildings
to
21
stories.
It's
actually
shown
as
a
height
above
sea
level.
H
D
G
D
Hair
thing
start
to
finish
from
the
bone
with
my
question
is
what
we're
finding
with
these
seat.
Eps
is
they're
often
challenged
we're
ending
up
going
to
the
O
and
B.
Sometimes
we
lose
sometimes
we
win,
but
they
seem
to
be
a
very
controversial
document
and
from
what
I've
been
working
out
so
far
with
these
is
they're
quite
expensive,
like
I
would
expect
your
answer
is
going
to
be
somewhere
higher
than
a
quarter
million
dollars
to
do
the
whole
thing.
A
Three,
madam
chair
BB
cost
for
this.
One
was
done
mostly
by
staff.
So
as
in-house
we
had
the
source
staff
cost,
we
did
have
to
hire
some
consultants
and
they
were
in
just
over
$60,000
range
for
the
technical,
60,000,
62
65
I
think
it
was
that
was
their
consulting
fees
required
for
the
transportation
analysis
component
of
the
study.
So
the
rest
of
the
stuff
costs
were
staff
costs
which
costs.
G
G
So
in
response
this
was
an
item
that
was
identified
on
the
work
plan.
It
was
initiated
by
councilor
Dean's,
who
asked
that
we
look
at
doing
a
CDP
for
the
section
of
Bank
should
as
a
continuation
of
the
CDP
that
was
done
for
the
northern
section
of
Bank
Street.
The
CDP
does
set
overall
direction
in
terms
of
how
this
area
will
evolve.
The
primary
area
of
change
is
expected
to
occur.
The
South
Key
shopping
center.
G
The
owners
of
the
South
Key
shopping
center
clearly
had
expressed
a
desire
to
transform
the
location
of
that
site
from
what
it
is
today
watch
for
my
retail
into
more
of
a
mixed
use
area,
and
with
that
we
felt
there
was
an
opportunity
to
take
a
closer
look
at
some
of
the
details
along
the
other
section.
The
important
thing
to
note
in
this
instance
is:
we
do
have
a
secondary
plan.
The
secondary
plan
does
allow
for
some
degree
of
flexibility
the
interpretation
of
some
of
the
directions
I've
articulated
in
the
CDP.
G
So
if
somebody
were
to
come
in,
for
example,
asking
for
a
16-story
building
where
a
15-story
is
identified,
that
would
necessarily
kick
in
a
requirement
for
an
amendment
to
the
secondary
plan.
It's
a
secondary
plan
that
would
be
the
key
driver
in
terms
of
any
zoning
change
having
to
conform
with
it.
So
the
CDP
provides
overall
traction
key
implementing
tools
of
the
secondary
plan
in
the
zoning
bylaw.
The
secondary
plan
does
carry
with
it
some
degree
of
flexibility
and
interpretation.
Okay,.
A
Thank
You
charlie,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
just
wanted
to
zone
in
a
little
bit
on
the
selkie
shopping
center.
I.
Think
mr.
Schmitt,
you
may
have
just
mentioned
the
answer.
The
question
that
I
was
going
to
ask
first,
which
is
I,
believe
it's
malls
opened
by
the
Canadian
real
estate,
investment,
trust
and
my
question
was:
to
what
extent
were
they
involved
in
the
Charette
and
are
they
expressing
an
interest
in
investing
a
lot
of
money
into
the
shopping
center?
A
H
Through
the
chair,
actually
smart
centers
is
the
major
in
that
area.
They
were
around
the
table
through
the
entire
process.
They
participated
in
the
design,
charrette
and
they're
in
agreement
with
all
the
design
components
that
were
proposing
in
the
CDP,
the
various
building
heights
that
are
proposed,
and
they
are
there
supportive
of
our
planning
and
did.
A
H
Don't
have
a
current
application
at
the
city,
but
they
are
talking
about
incremental
change
over
time
in
this
area
and
they're
in
agreement
with
providing
the
various
urban
design
components
I
mentioned
as
they
develop.
So
this
would
obviously
it's
a
big
area
would
occur
in
a
phased
development
approach,
so
at
each
phase
they
would
be
providing
sidewalks
multi-use
pathways.
H
A
Are
anecdote
that
I'm
sure
I
had
a
chance
to
look
at
a
refigured
suburban
shopping
mall
in
Toronto
over
the
summer
called
The
Shops
at
dawn,
mills
at
dawn
bells
and
Lawrence,
which
is
a
very
interesting
example
of
taking
a
traditional
shopping.
Mall
like
this
or
box
store
model
and
turning
it
into
more
of
what
you're
showing
on
the
CDP
I
believe
it
was
Cadillac
failure,
but
a
very
interesting
and
I
think
successful
a
model
of
that
you're
imagining
here
so
for
what
it's
worth,
you
may
want
to
take
a
look
at
that.
A
H
Again
through
the
chair,
the
ideas
that
would
become
a
public
road
over
the
fullness
of
time.
It
would
certainly
begin
because
of
the
phase
development
approach.
I
was
mentioning
as
a
private
road
built
to
the
city
standard,
as
we've
outlined
in
the
CDP,
but
once
the
entire
length
from
north
to
south
from
the
extension
of
Johnston
Road
doodahs
a
is
complete.
We
would
look
at
a
dedication
of
that
at
the
time
of
subdivision
approval.
Thank
you
sure.
B
F
F
Thinking
about
you
know,
residential
lots
of
intensification
stuff
that
we
preach
as
a
city,
but
I
look
at
this
up
here
and
thank
you
for
answering
the
question
on
the
twenty
one
story,
because
I
had
that
exact
same
question,
I
see
eight
blocks
of
12
in
a
couple
blocks
of
15
right.
Why
would
we
limit
ourselves
to
that
many
stories
that
how
did
that
come
about?
Why
aren't
they
all
21
across
the
board.
H
Thank
You
counselor
through
the
chair,
the
idea
was,
we
were
trying
to
build
the
Pyramid
of
height,
with
the
tallest
structures
closest
to
transit
and
furthest
away
from
existing
development.
So,
for
example,
the
buildings
on
the
east
side
of
Bank
Street
generally
a
lower
profile
building
of
three
to
three-and-a-half
stories
that
we
felt
it
was
appropriate
to
cap
the
height
at
12
stories
in
those
locations.
And
similarly,
the
south
of
Hunt
Club
Road
that
community
is
existing,
is
mostly
lower
profile
buildings,
and
so
we
kept
the
height
at
12
stories
and
those
areas.
H
15
was
I
that
we
thought
was
appropriate
for
the
intersection
of
Bank
and
hung
Club
to
provide
the
opportunity
for
a
bit
of
a
node
or
higher
profile
buildings
in
that
area
for
a
sense
of
entry
into
the
area,
and
it
was
the
same
approach
in
the
north
end
to
allow
15
to
21
stories
to
have
a
sort
of
gateway
feature
coming
in
from
the
north.
Okay,.
F
So
I
think
I
understand
the
Gateway
component,
but
I'm
not
I'm,
not
really
solid.
On
the
rationale
behind
yeah,
you
know.
Some
of
the
12
stories
is
it.
Is
it
for
community
feel
like
what
was
the
restriction?
Frankly,
in
my
mind,
I,
don't
know
why
we
just
didn't
go
21
across
the
board
and
give
that
opportunity,
because
we
don't
have
you
know
a
billion
dollar.
A
rail
system
in
everyone's
backyard
misses
what
we
want
to
have
that
development.
H
Thank
you,
the
chair.
We
actually
took
a
very
similar
approach
here
in
the
mixed
use
area,
as
we
did
on
the
60
OD
areas
that
were
before
Committee
for
approval,
even
in
those
areas,
there's
a
gradient
of
permitted
heights
and
the
Tod
areas
that
would
go
from
6
to
20
to
30
stories
and
we
located
those
heights
in
those
areas
and
areas
looking
at
the
context
of
the
community,
as
we
did
here
and
certainly
put
the
highest
potential
density
with
best
proximity
to
the
station's
themselves.
H
The
idea
is
that,
and
again
these
are
just
permitted
building
heights.
It
doesn't
mean
that
they're
required
to
build
so
we're
allowing
for
the
potential
for
those
higher
buildings
in
those
locations.
We
expect
that
we'll
have
a
variation
of
height
as
approvals
come
through
in
the
future.
We
may
get
lower
buildings.
One
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
is
we
have
that
minimum
density
of
200
people
and
jobs
per
hectare
in
this
area?
H
F
I'm
glad
you
brought
the
point
of
density
up
because
funny
enough
I
just
had
the
meatrix
on
my
screen
and
regards
to
Tod
around
sea
level
and
currently
for
2012.
It
says
5000,
approximately
5000
is
the
estimated
population
so
55
per
hectare.
The
long-term
anticipation
with
Tod
it's
for
as
40,000
and
that's
410
per
hectare.
So
I
just
want
to
know
how,
when
you
look
at
a
Tod
like
seaville,
which
is
right
attestation
very
similar
to
this,
why
they
a
lion
closer.
H
Again
through
the
chair,
the
numbers
that
the
council
are
quoting
reflect
for
the
Tod
areas,
we
thought
the
maximum
could
reasonably
be
in
each
of
those
areas.
So
what
we're
targeting
and
the
design
of
those
areas
was
the
potential
to
go
as
high
as
400
people
and
jobs
per
hectare.
The
minimum
required
Anna's
owning
bylaw
and
through
the
secondary
plans
in
those
areas
as
it
is
here,
is
less
than
that.
My
memory
is
faded
on
the
exact
density
for
servo
I
think
the
minimum
would
produce
in
the
high
200s
for
that
area.
H
We
produced
a
concept
plan
for
each
of
the
Tod
areas.
That
would
show
what
would
happen
if
every
property
redeveloped
and
every
property
redeveloped
to
about
the
fullest
potential
on
each
parcel
and
that
generated
the
400
number
that
the
counselor
was
referring
to.
It's
unlikely
that
we
would
get
all
properties
redeveloping
and
all
of
them
redeveloping
to
the
fullest
potential.
But
we
wanted
to
demonstrate
to
the
public
what
the
best
case
would
be
in
terms
of
density
over
the
long
term.
Right.
F
And
I
completely
agree
with
that,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
we're
handcuffing
ourselves
by
not
going
to
the
21
stories,
and
you
know
we
have
to
take
advantage
of
every
opportunity
we
have
at
those
transit
notes.
It's
just
a
personal
personal
feeling.
I
have
on
this
one
and
I
will
be
obviously
supporting
this,
but
I
do
think
that
we
are
not
achieving
our
density
targets
as
we
have
done
in
other
areas.
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
thank.
B
H
B
Closer
I
just
think
that
that's
what
I'm
hearing
collectively
from
people
around
the
table
and
then
the
other
thing
on
the
density.
The
density
shift
is
that
only
at
the
south
keys
that
is
going
up
to
the
two
hundred
where
you
it
is
a
and
so
what
is
the
rest
of
it?
Well,
because
I
notice
you're
keeping
some
sections
of
Main
Street
arterial,
Main
Street.
So
it
that's
quite
a
long
piece
of
other
area
being
designed.
So
what
will
be
right
now?
H
I'm
sure
a
recommendation
is
to
remove
the
minimum
density
from
the
South
End
of
Bank,
Street
or
south
of
Hunt
Club
Road,
and
we're
refocusing
that
in
a
mixed
use
area
a
nine-story
permission
in
arterial,
Main
Street
zones,
which
applies
to
most
of
the
development
land
you
see
on
the
plan,
would
provide
for
a
fairly
high
density.
We
did
not
do
a
calculation
of
the
maximum
potential
in
that
area,
but
9
storeys
gives
you
a
a
mid
high,
mid
profile.
Building.
H
B
H
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
again
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
found
it
and
I
do
recognize.
There's
been
a
lot
of
blood,
sweat
and
tears
that
have
gone
into
where
we
are
today
and
I.
Appreciate
that
as
well.
So
just
on
community
design
plans,
I
mean
they.
They
provide
definition
and
vision
for
a
particular
area
and
engages
the
community
at
the
grassroots
level.
So
I
certainly
support
community
design
plans
and
know
that
it's
perhaps
not.
E
Provide
some
assurances
that
the
public
can
be
engaged
and
they
can
provide
input
in
direction
on
how
they
want
their
community
reshaped,
going
forward
and
I
see
great
value
in
that
I'm
not
going
to
be
a
dead
horse.
I
certainly
agree
and
you've
got
an
opportunity
to
where
you
don't
have
neighboring
residences,
to
reshape
a
community
and
build
high
and
I.
Just
you
know,
as
a
frequent
user
of
the
South
key
smarming
River
was
just
on
me
on
the
west
side
of
the
O
train
line
and
councillor
Dean's
and
I.
E
And
I
don't
think
we
would
be
out
of
line
by
building
similar
height
towers
on
the
west
side
of
Bank
Street.
So
is
the
long-term
goal
to
eliminate
the
South
Keyes
mall,
as
we
know
it,
no
more
grocery
store,
no
more
Walmart,
no
more
service
shops
that
people
need
is.
Is
that
the
long-term
vision
that
this
mall
will
be
completely
replaced.
H
Thank
You
councillor.
No,
certainly
the
vision
is
to
have
a
firm
mixed
use
environment
in
that
area.
The
zoning
would
provide
for
that
full
range
of
employment
and
shopping
and
residential
ability
exists.
Today
the
change
adds
additional
commercial
uses
and
the
ability
to
construct
high-rise,
residential
and
the
area
we
would
see
being
redeveloped
over
time,
but
replaced
with
a
similar
range
of
shopping.
It's
it's
got
a
foothold.
Today
is
a
central
area
for
shopping
for
the
community.
H
We
see
a
valuable
addition
in
that
area
of
being
having
more
people
living
there,
as
opposed
to
only
working
there.
Today,
it's
primarily
an
employment
area,
and
so
we
see
it
just
taking
a
different
form
with
more
of
a
Main
Street
that
same
range
of
shopping,
perhaps
much
smaller
format
shopping
along
with
the
residential
to
support
it.
Thank.
E
You
so
I,
you
know
people
comment
about
the
look
and
feel
of
the
South
Keyes
wall
and
how
it's
you
know
could
be
better
better
designs
going
forward,
but
I
just
want
to
underscore
about
the
people
who
rely
on
grocery
stores
that
we
see
examples
where
the
grocery
store
was
closed
at
Westgate.
What
impact
that
had
on
people
and
there's
a
large
population
in
that
South
Keyes
area,
who
have
no
other
restart
to
go
to
so
moving
forward.
I
just
want
all
parties
to
be
aware
of
the
importance
of
certain
services.
E
As
we
all
know,
this
include
the
community
as
well,
and
my
last
question
is
regarding
when
CDP's
are
created
and
we
start
to
move
forward,
how
existing
problems
are
addressed
and
the
two
ones
I
want
to
fly
ago,
the
capacity
Park
and
right
at
rainbow.
So
if
we
add
thousands
of
people
to
this
area,
I
hope
take
public
transit
on
Club
Road
is
at
capacity.
So
not
all
these
people
will
be
taking
public
transit
they'll,
be
driving
to
their
employment
areas,
but
who
clubs
that
capacity?
The
parking
line
is
at
capacity.
E
H
Thank
You
councillor
through
the
chair,
we're
certainly
in
our
planning
for
this
area
protecting
for
the
existence
of
the
park
and
ride,
but
the
idea
and
again
this
is
similar
to
our
approach
for
other
to
transit.
Oriented
areas.
Is
it
over
time
more
people
will
choose
to
travel
through
this
area
and
within
it
by
active
modes
of
transportation,
so
more
facilities
for
walking
better
facilities
for
cycling.
So
it's
it's
an
evolutionary
thing.
H
It
doesn't
happen
overnight,
but
over
time
as
things
densify
and
it
becomes
less
convenient
to
travel
in
that
area
by
automobile
people
will
choose
to
walk
or
cycle
because
it's
it's
faster
and
more
attractive
to
travel.
By
that
way,
so
the
area
will
densify,
as
as
I
mentioned,
there'll
be
at
least
four
times.
The
density
in
the
mixed
use
area
that
people
in
that
area
over
time
well
will
choose
to
travel
by
other
by
other
modes,
taking
public
transit
and
walking
and
cycling
to
those
facilities.
F
It's
interesting
that
the
the
proposal
with
this
CDP
is
to
actually
rezone
not
just
implement
a
secondary
plan,
but
to
go
ahead
and
resume
the
subject
property.
So
they
conform
to
that's
not
always
done
with
the
CDP's.
I
guess.
I
have
two
questions.
One
is
shift
in
thinking
among
staff
with
respect
to
the
desirability
of
actually
rezoning
to
conform
to
the
new
secondary
plans,
and,
secondly,
have
we
given
any
thought
to
the
foregone
section,
37
section
37.
The
other
point
on
section
37
benefits
that
might
have
accrued
had
left
their
subject
properties
with
existing
zone.
G
For
the
chair,
so
there
is
the
ability
where
the
CBP
can
serve
as
a
basis
for
setting
up
a
policy
framework
through
a
secondary
plan
that
can
serve
as
a
basis
for
actually
instituting
changes
in
the
zoning.
In
this
instance,
the
most
significant
change
is.
We
expect
it
to
occur
on
the
South
Key
shopping
center,
south
key
shopping
center,
because
the
owners
were
sitting
at
the
table
participated
in
the
process.
There's
a
lot
that's
happening
in
terms
of
the
transformation
of
that
site
into
a
true
mixed-use
community.
So,
as
mr.
G
Brower
indicated,
there's
Park
cats,
there
squares,
there's
plazas,
there's
an
urban
street
condition,
that's
being
introduced.
So
a
lot
of
things
that
normally
you
would
be
trying
to
secure
section
$37
for,
in
fact,
is
being
spelled
out
through
the
CDP,
is
spelled
out
in
the
secondary
plan
in
terms
of
things
that
will
occur
over
time
so
in
in
terms
of
the
significant
increased
intensity
of
development
that
will
be
allowed
there,
it's
all
balanced
off
already
and
that's
the
reason
for
the
zoning.
So
it's
not.
G
So,
if
not
necessarily
there's
a
shift,
there
are
certain
instances
where
we
in
fact
do
DC
DPS,
where
we
do
secondary
planning.
But
we
don't
implement
this
morning
because
there
is
an
opportunity
to
secure
benefits
that
you
cannot
secure
the
way
they're
being
secured
in
this
instance.
Within
the
framework
of
the
policy
direction
that
has
been
established.
Can.
F
You
help
me
understand
that
mechanically
no
incurring
Preston,
who
gave
an
area
specific
development
charge
in
order
to
ensure
that
the
funds
will
be
there
to
make
the
public
realm
improvements
that
are
spelled
out
in
the
community
design
plan
mechanics
and
with
CDP
to
ensure
that
those
public
realm
benefits
were
there,
because,
obviously,
the
the
success
of
particularly
the
South
Key
shopping
center
as
a
desirable
residential
neighborhood
is
going
to
depend
on
those
benefits
coming
come
to
fruition.
So
it
just
take
me
through
that
mechanics.
G
So
the
mechanics
of
this
instance
is
the
use
of
holding
zones,
and
the
holding
song
will
require
that,
as
the
face
development
comes
on
board
through
the
site
plan.
Approval
process
that
the
things
that
are
identified
in
the
CDP
as
the
public
realm
attributes
that
are
going
to
be
associated
with
the
transformation
of
the
South
Keys
into
a
new
mixed-use
Center
in
fact,
will
be
reflected
on
those
site
plans
or
will
in
fact
be
implemented
by
the
developers.
G
The
difference
between
this
and
Preston
Carling
Preston
Carling
you're,
dealing
with
individual
properties
are
basically
standing
on
their
own
here,
you're
dealing
with
a
transformation
of
an
entire
area
that,
in
fact,
is
under
the
control
of
a
single
owner.
Right
now,
so
on
Preston
Carling,
we
were
looking
to
try
to
secure
additional
dollars
that
could
actually
go
into
existing
public
realm
spaces.
Here
we're
creating
public
realm
in
the
paula
trellis
being
created
through
the
development
review
and
approval
process
and.
G
G
D
H
Through
the
chair
part
of
the
CD
PD
preparation,
we
didn't
look
at
the
market
capture
areas.
The
counselors
are
loading
to
where
you
know
we
were
canvas,
saying
people
who
may
come
from
other
distant
places
of
the
city
or
outside
of
the
city
to
shop.
Here
there
will
always
be
that
component
of
people
want
to
access
this
area.
H
There
would
always
be
a
requirement
for
some
parking
that
would
provide
for
those
people
who
want
to
shop
in
the
area,
but
again
overtime
would
take
a
very
long
term
time
for
this
density
to
occur,
where
it
will
become
more
convenient
to
access
the
public
transit
by
walking
or
cycling
or
shopping
in
that
area.
Certainly
we
looked
at
the
catchment
area,
that's
typical
for
walking
and
cycling
to
make
sure
that
we
have
appropriate
connections.
B
As
well,
you
know
as
a
given
then
that
the
stores
would
have
to
be
size
down
because
people,
the
vast
majority
of
people
that
are
going
to
South
Keys,
are
certainly
not
walking.
Councilor
brought
Brockington
was
saying
that
his
people
are
right
across
just
on
the
other
side
of
the
airport,
Parkway
and
they're
likely
driving
some
days.
It's
scary
enough
to
drive
level
or
walk
anyway.
Thank
you
is
anyone
else.
Have
any
other
questions?
B
Okay,
well,
I
just
want.
Thank
you
all.
This
is
a
big
project
and
it
completes
the
the
Bay
Street
story.
If
you
will
that
started
how
many
years
ago,
four
or
five
years
ago,
and
even
more
than
that
it,
but
it
does-
and
so
we've
got
the
pieces
of
the
puzzle
along
Bay.
Street
I
hope
that
there's
enough
flexibility
built
into
this,
obviously
it's
not
going
to
happen
in
the
immediate
future,
and
but
his
opportunity
comes
in
that
it'll
be
good
to
have
this
as
a
guiding
tool
for
sure
is
that
carries.
Thank
you.
B
G
G
Sorry
so
mr.
Brower
and
our
department
is
gonna,
be
taking
a
leave
I'm
moving
for
the
better
building
building
better,
revitalize
neighborhoods
initiative.
He's
got
a
lot
of
experience
with
the
city
and
sort
of
taking
on
these
types
of
projects.
First
I
think,
as
was
evidenced
with
him
stepping
into
the
South
Keyes
project
and
mr.
Collings,
who
is
also
at
the
table,
will
also
be
involved.
So
basically,
so
three
of
us
that
are
the
key
staff
resources
within
PGM
with
mr.
Bower,
taking
the
lead
on
that.
G
B
Just
a
little
bit
of
background,
there
is
a
report
with
this
that
lays
out
the
fact
that
it'll
be
stage.
One
comes
back
before
Christmas
Stage,
two,
it's
January.
When
the
money
becomes
available,
we
hit
the
street
running
and
the
the
end
result
is
delivered
December
2016.
So
it's
a
one-year
project,
Kelly
yep.
D
C
Thank
You
chair.
Yes,
typically,
these
sponsors
groups,
which
were
established
as
part
of
the
2009
midterm
governance
review,
are
designed
to
allow
council
members
of
council
and
staff
to
work
together
informally
on
policy
matters
that
have
been
brought
forward
for
public
consideration
and
public
consultation
during
the
Standing
Committee
process.
C
We
are
always
conscious
of
not
having
anywhere
near
a
quorum
of
a
committee,
and
we
have
heretofore
been
comfortable
with
thorough
members
for
policy
sponsors
group
chair
hardier
was
quite
firm
that
she
believed.
That
was
not
enough
in
this
case,
and
to
that
end
we
had,
in
addition
to
the
chair
and
vice
chair
of
planning,
who
were
automatically
members
as
part
of
councils
motion.
We
had
seven
members
of
council
express
an
interest
we
advise
chair.
C
Her
chair,
her
to
wanted,
like
I,
can
say,
I
think
she
won't
mind
a
broader-based
because
she
felt
there
was
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
Six
members
is,
as
far
as
we
feel
comfortable
with
remaining
informal
as
a
staff
working
group
on
the
proviso
that
there's
not
only
not
a
close
to
a
quorum,
but
nowhere
near
a
crime.
Six
members
is
already
a
quarter
of
council
right
now.
C
The
proposed
membership
has
three
members
of
planning
three
members
of
CPS
and
there
is
a
cross
over
there
with
counselor
cadre
and
two
members
that
are
not
a
member
of
either
committee.
We
were
comfortable
with
that.
We
are
very
mindful
of
the
broad
interpretation
of
an
informal
closed
meeting
that
have
had
consistent
rulings
by
the
Ontario
Ombudsman,
and
when
the
chair
and
I
discussed
this
wing,
we
really
feel
Six's.
D
B
B
Then
you
wanted
to
also
add
to
the.
If
you
look
at
the
people,
as
miss
Donnelly
said
it
always
was.
This
is
a
planning
and
growth
management
initiative
and
always
was
going
to
include
the
chair
in
the
vice
chair.
So
it
was
really
through
councillor.
Welcome
since
nation
to
add
to
that
sponsorship.
Group
I
know
that
many
of
you
that
declared
an
interest
and
ones
that
didn't
will
be
interested
in
this
as
we
go
forward,
it's
going
to
be
very
a
lot.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Yes,
it
is
a
technical
amendment,
so
therefore
it
be
resolved
that
revisions
are
made
to
sentence
two
of
the
background
section
to
be
amended
to
read:
On
June,
9th
2015
planning
committee
approved
and
also
in
Disco,
in
the
discussion
section
under
the
paragraph
that
lists
the
council's
recommended
for
the
sponsor
groups
that
council
attempt
or
any
information
be
amended
to
include
chair
of
Ontario
caucus
of
the
Federation
of
Canadian
Municipalities.
F
B
Responsibilities
of
the
people
that
are
on
this
and
it
gives
you
a
really
really
good.
So
we
have
councillor
Kadri,
who
is
the
chair
of
core
and
Prevention
Ottawa,
and
also
Ottawa
public
health,
counselor
Tierney,
who
is
the
chair
of
the
Ottawa
Public
Library
board,
but
also
the
chair
of
the
Ontario
caucus
for
FCM
Deputy
Mayor
Mark
Taylor,
who
is
a
representative
to
email,
and
this
is
my
process
working
with
that
new
community
hub
program
that
the
province
is
just
are
showing
in
and
for
a
lot
of
other
legislative
possibilities
and
they
come
up.
B
That's
a
good
connection
to
have
and
councillor
Dean's,
of
course,
is
the
chair
of
community
Protective,
Services
and
I'm
missing
one
person,
and
then
coastal
flurry
is
the
chair.
Bottle
can
be
how's,
your
largest
housing
provider
and
then
myself.
So
thank
you.
Everybody
I
hope
that
you'll
stay
tuned,
because
it's
going
to
be
interesting
for
sure
is
it
is
a
technical
amendment.
I
carry
and
is
the
report
I
can't.