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A
Okay,
welcome
everyone
welcome
counselor,
Dean
and
I.
Guess
now.
I
have
to
start
mentioning
other
people
that
aren't
on
the
committee,
but
I
just
happened
to
look
up
and
I
saw.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
1
to
4
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
interior
municipal
board,
/
Local
Planning,
Appeal
Tribunal.
A
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
interior,
Municipal
Board
/
Local,
Planning
Appeal
Tribunal.
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
a
120
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
180
days
for
an
official
plan,
amendment
comment
sheet
is
available
over
there
by
that
door.
For
anyone
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments
or
if
anyone
wants
to
speak
to
them,
so
are
there
any
declarations
of
interest?
A
confirmation
of
minutes
from
the
February
27th
2018
mean
boy
that
seems
like
a
long
time
ago
in
our
world.
A
Okay,
so
the
first
item
is
south:
the
pan
town
center
community
design
plan,
which
is
even
the
title
I
just
want
to
tell
you
that
the
title
for
this
has
caused.
Some
people
has
asked
me
whether
they
should
come
out
and
speak
to
it
because
they
were
thinking
it
was
the
whole
South
Nepean
town
center,
which
is
not
it's
just
a
piece
of
it.
It's
not
an
insignificant
piece
of
it.
It's
a
mental
application,
but
it's
in
the
south
of
the
larger
south
of
PN
town
center.
So
and
it
is
a
mento
application.
A
It's
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
33
11
Green
Bank
Road
in
3380
October,
which
is
the
old
gamble
farm.
We
have
some
of
the
property
there.
The
city
does
and
then
it's
the
area
around
st.
Joseph
high
school,
so
soon
Murphy's
here
and
we
do
I-
do
have
a
motion
that
that
councillor
Tierney
is
going
to
be
moving.
Do
you
want
to
just
put
that
on
the
floor
now
sure.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Whereas
there's
no
designated
off-leash
dog
park
in
Ward
3
bar
Haven,
whereas
there's
been
no
significant
interest
from
the
community
for
an
off-leash
dog
park,
therefore
appear
result.
The
planning
committee
recommended
council
approve
the
detailed
design
of
the
park
portion
at
twenty
three.
Ninety
three
Long's
fields,
Drive
located
along
the
Rockville
River,
will
include
the
designated
area
for
off
leash
off
leash
dogs
allowed
park.
So.
A
It's
a
pretty
simple
motion:
we
have
like
90,000
people
in
bar
Haven.
We
don't
have
one
dog
park
even
within
a
park,
so
this
is
a
great
opportunity.
It's
along
the
Jacque
River,
and
it's
going
to
be
very
much
a
people
place
in
that.
So
we're
not
saying
all
of
it
should
be
that
which
you're
just
making
sure
that
when
that
gets
to
do
the
park
when
the
park
planner
is
looking
at
it
with
the
Mintos
that
they're
looking
at
it
with
the
mindset
of
having
a
dog
component
to
it.
Sue.
A
Where
are
you
did
you
need
to
speak
to
this
item?
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
at
all?
So
your
your
your
good
not
to
speak,
is
this
item.
So
is
the
motion
carried
on
the
dog
park
carry
and
on
the
on
the
item?
As
amended
Carrie
did
you
say
woof
woof,
that's
cute!
That's
cute
in
dog
language,
okay!
Next
one
is
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
part
of
1211
Old,
Montreal
Road.
This
is
in
the
Cardinal
Creek
area,
councillor
blaze
area
kind
of
like
back-to-back
townhouses,
where
it's
a
zoning,
bylaw
amendment
we
don't
have
any
speaker.
A
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
this
item
and
you
don't
need
to
speak
if
they're
prepared
to
carry
it?
Was
it
caring?
Thank
you
thanks
for
coming
out,
the
show
next
up
is
3015.
3055,
3075
and
3095
palladium
drive
it's
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
Paul
black
from
fo
10:00
is
here.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
on
this,
does
anyone
have
any
questions?
A
Okay,
the
next
one
and
Catherine
councillor
McKenney
was
here,
and
is
she
still
here,
Oh
their
New
York
zoning
bylaw
amendment
207,
Bell,
Street
North,
it's
in
Somerset,
Ward
and
the
councillor
has
provided
a
lot
of
detail
in
comments
but
you're
hearing
cases
any
anyone
has
any
issues.
So
does
anyone
need
to
ask
any
questions
or
is
this
item
carried?
Is
it
Carrie?
Thank
you.
A
A
So
the
next
one
we're
holding
it's
195
meandering
Brook
Drive,
which
is
why
councillor
Dean's
is
here
and
we
have
the
speaker
wise.
We
have
Vale
craft
Holmes
representatives
here
and
then
item
number
six
is
the
application
to
alter
the
former
grant
school
2720
Richmond
Road
a
property
designated
under
part
four
of
the
in
Theriot
Heritage
Act
I.
Have
no
speakers?
Does
anyone
have
any
questions?
Is
this
item
carried?
A
A
All
the
memories
hider
number
seven
is
the
2017
annual
with
some
times
when,
if
you're
beaten
up
at
the
testicles
2017
annual
report
pursuant
to
the
Building
Code
act
and
mr.
burden
is
here
but
he's
here,
if
anyone
has
any
questions
or
are
we
just
going
to
receive
that
you
see?
Thank
you
and
then
number
eight
is
the
appointments
to
the
planning.
Advisory
Committee.
As
you
know,
the
province
mandated
everyone
to
have
a
planning
advisory
committee.
So
this
we
had
a
process.
We
followed
it.
A
These
are
the
recommendations
that
coming
forward
and
there's
also
going
to
be
a
motion
to
move
this.
If
you
accept
it
to
Council
tomorrow,
so
we
can
get
going
because
the
term
is
only
for
this
year
with
this
year
being
as
a
reminder
till
November,
30th
2018.
So
is
the
planning
advisory
committee
carried
and
we
have
in
the
motion
I.
B
Think
you
summed
up
in
a
nutshell.
Madam
chair
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
planning
committee
recommend
council
suspend
the
notice
required
under
subsection
29
three
and
34
one
of
the
procedures,
bylaw
2016
377,
to
consider
the
report
at
its
meeting
on
the
28th
of
March
2018,
to
allow
prompt
scheduling
of
pack
members
for
orientation
and
the
inaugural
pack
meeting
within
the
second
quarter
of
2018.
That.
A
Carry
thank
you
okay.
Then.
The
last
item
is
the
development
charge
by
law,
review,
counselors
sponsor
group
and
mr.
Willis.
Our
general
manager
is
keen
to
get
going
on
on
this
very
important
work,
and
so
we
have
a
recommendation
which
shouldn't
surprise
anyone
with
the
membership
and
if
you're,
ok
with
it
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
carry
that
so
carry.
B
A
A
A
A
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
we're
here
today
to
consider
an
application
for
sight.
Blind
control,
we're
delegated
authority
was
removed
and
it
has
risen
to
Planning
Committee
for
consideration.
Just
some
history
into
this
file
and
2011
a
rezoning
application
was
brought
forward
to
planning
committee.
At
that
time.
The
recommendation
included
a
clause
that
the
site
that
the
zoning
bylaw
not
be
enacted
until
the
site
plan
was
resolved.
At
that
time,
the
site
plan
was
considering
a
mixed-use
project
of
269
units.
D
Vale
craft
was
the
proponent
and
they
still
are
doing
that
in
the
time
between
2011
and
today,
the
site
plan
has
undergone.
Various
revisions
has
actually
been
quite
a
reducing
the
amount
of
units
from
two
hundred
and
two
hundred
and
sixty
nine
to
one
hundred
and
fifty
six
units
project
is
a
mix
of
townhomes
and
stacked
apartments.
D
Sorry
I
apologize
for
the
images
here.
I'm
gonna
just
jump
back
to
here
the
project
fronts
on
to
Leicester
Road
and
what
we're
looking
at
now
is
a
writing
and
write
out
only
access
on
the
new
easterly
access
along
Leicester
Road,
the
existing
intersection
at
Leicester
and
meandering
Brook,
which
is
the
subject
to
a
lot
of
comments.
As
you
see
it
today,
looking
west
and
now
looking
south
is
to
remain.
D
There's
draft
report
was
prepared
and,
as
I
mentioned,
the
ward
councillor
has
not
provided
concurrence
and
been
risen
to
Planning
Committee
for
consideration,
so
we're
basically
here
to
discuss
this
file
and
the
site
plan
conditions
that
were
recommending
that
are
attached
in
the
report.
So
myself,
Phil,
Landry,
Donner,
wire
and
Colin
Simpson
are
here
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
on
the
site
plan
control
application.
If
this
application
is
approved,
we
would
then
enact
the
bylaw
for
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
and
would
go
through
its
normal
period.
E
Well,
for
those
of
you
who
may
not
know
me,
my
name
is
Danny
page
and
I'm,
with
Bell
cracked
homes
and
I'm
here
before
you
today
to
ask
for
your
assistance
in
approving
our
site
plan
application,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
provided
by
staff.
This
application
was
first
submitted
in
2010
and
since
that
time
we've
been
working
with
the
city
to
address
every
conceivable
technical
concern,
and
we
think
that
we
happen
to
have
accomplished
this.
E
Over
the
course
of
this
project,
we
have
attended
a
number
of
public
meetings,
I
think
we've
attended
four
of
them
to
date,
and
we
have
heard
concerns
of
the
public.
We
understand
that
they
have
concerns
about
traffic.
We
have
heard
that
they've
had
concerns
about
density
and
spillover
of
parking
from
within
our
site
onto
the
streets.
We've
attempted
to
address
those
concerns.
We've
made
some
very
significant
concessions
in
reducing
the
size
and
the
scale
of
our
development.
E
We
started
off
with
270
units,
which
is
entirely
consistent
with
what
Canada
lands
company
was
proposing
on
these
lands
when
they
had
done
the
subdivision
and
that
270
units
has
been
reduced
to
a
hundred
and
fifty
six
units.
In
addition
to
that,
what
we've
done
is
we've
added
an
entrance
on
to
Leicester
Road.
We
went
out
and
got
the
approvals
from
the
NCC
and
from
Canada
lens.
In
order
to
introduce
the
entrance
on
Leicester
Road,
we
we
have
been
attempting
to
make
the
site
work
and
mitigate
the
traffic
impacts.
E
Now
we
appreciate
that
there's
been
significant
concern
over
safety
and
the
need
for
traffic
signals.
We
have
retained
traffic
consultants
to
look
at
this
they've
done
traffic
studies
not
once,
but
on
several
different
occasions.
They
have
run
the
numbers,
they
have
run
the
city's
numbers.
There
have
been
instances
where
our
numbers
have
been
questioned.
We
run
the
city's
numbers
and
the
bottom
line
is
that
warrants
are
not
met
on
this
particular
intersection.
I
think
the
staff
report
indicates
that
the
warrants
are
presently
at
when
you
factor
in
our
site.
E
We've
also
asked
her
our
traffic
engineers
to
look
at
the
safety
issue
and
they've
concluded
that
the
intersection
works
properly,
that
there
isn't
a
safety
issue.
They
reviewed
the
accident
history.
This
intersection
is
operating
as
it
was
anticipated
in
the
original
subdivision,
our
traffic
and
so
I
think.
E
It's
also
worth
noting
that,
over
the
course
of
the
eight
years
we've
had
our
application
in
the
hopper
with
the
city
eight
years
our
application
goes
back
to
2010
and
throughout
those
eight
years
the
city
has
had
a
number
of
opportunities
to
look
at
this
intersection
and
institute
changes,
and
they
have
elected
not
to
and
along
those
lines.
I
want
to
stress
that
the
speed
limit
has
not
been
altered
along
Leicester
Road.
It
continues
to
remain
at
80.
Kilometers,
no
traffic
lights
have
been
installed.
E
E
So,
rather
than
precipitated,
it
was
actually
deferred
for
10
years
in
2017,
when
the
city
was
working
on
the
development
charge,
bylaw
to
incorporate
new
traffic
intersections
or
traffic
light
intersections.
This
intersection
did
not
make
the
list
and
more
recently,
last
summer,
Leicester
road
was
repaved.
There
were
absolutely
no
reconfigurations
to
this
intersection,
so
I
submit
to
you
that
there
have
been
opportunities
for
the
city
to
institute
changes
here
and
the
city
has
elected
not
to,
and
that
seems
to
support
the
proposition
that
there
isn't
a
safety
concern
at
this
intersection.
Okay,.
E
A
E
A
You,
okay,
so
I
have
some
people
to
all
of
you
that
have
identified
have
questions
of
mr.
page
okay.
So,
while
you're
asking
those
questions,
I
have
a
question
staff.
If
you
agree
that
it's
67
or
68
percent
I'd
like
to
give
me
a
ballpark
of
in
our
city
across
our
city,
how
many
people
are
waiting
for
a
traffic
light
situation
that
are
higher
than
that?
So
if
it's
like
Tanner's
at
100
and
the
councillor
bleh,
you
have
a
deferral
motion
or
something
Amanda.
F
Gladly
let
her
read
it
out
and
explain
the
reasons
behind
it,
but,
mr.
page,
just
to
contextualize
a
little
bit
the
left-hand
corner
as
you
enter
the
neighborhood
and
then
I'm.
Looking
on
kind
of
like
the
overhead
key
plan,
there's
a
triangular
parcel,
that's
undeveloped
is
that
a
looks
like
it
might
be.
A
drainage
area
or
some
kind
of
natural
protection
is
that
to
remain
undeveloped.
F
F
E
F
Got
a
left
turning
lane
there
and
so
and
on
the
south
side
of
Lester
Road.
Are
those
lands
capable
of
being
developed
there
within
the
urban
bound
or
either
designated
for
fair
part
of
the
Greenbelt
they're
part
of
the
Greenbelt?
That's
correct,
okay,
so
that
we
know
housing
development
on
the
south
side
of
it.
That's
correct.
Okay,
so
I
have
some
concerns.
I
have
a
lot
of
intersections
like
this
in
Orleans,
you
know
lesser
Road
is
except
for
the
fact
that
there's
no
development.
F
It's
reminding
me
a
lot
of
Brian
Coburn
Boulevard,
where
we
built
the
first
two
lanes
of
a
future
four-lane.
We
built
the
neighborhood
on
the
north
side
and
then
we're
asking
people
to
cross
both
sides
of
the
street
to
get
to
transit
and
in
rush
hour,
Brian
Coburn
is
only
60
and
people
can't
do
it.
During
rush
hour,
Lester's
and
80
asking
people
to
basically
jaywalk
three
lanes
of
traffic,
because
you've
got
a
left
turn
lane
they're
on
an
80
kilometer
road
during
rush
hour
just
seems
to
me
pretty
silly.
F
So
I
guess.
My
question
to
mr.
Page
is
if
this
intersection
were
to
be
included
in
the
DC
background
study,
which
we
just
formed
a
committee
to
look
at
an
update
for
next
year.
If
this
intersection
was
included
in
the
DC
background
study,
would
Vale
craft
be
open
to
the
idea
of
front
ending
intersection
modifications,
whether
that's
a
traffic
light
or
a
roundabout?
Whatever
the
best
option
is,
for
the
community
front
end
those
modifications
and
then
obviously
be
paid
back
by
the
city
per
the
DC
bylaw?
That
would
be
updated,
I.
E
Miss
if
I
didn't
say
that
we
would
be
prepared
to
look
at
it
and
when
I
say
looking
at
it,
that
would
involve
having
a
more
fulsome
understanding
as
to
just
what
sort
of
intersection
improvements
were
were
being
expected
of
us
and
the
reason
that
I
say.
That
is
that
when
we
were
looking
at
this
some
years
ago,
we
thought
we
had
a
good
handle
on
what
those
intersection
improvements
were.
But
by
the
time
we
got
through
discussions
with
staff
those
costs
had
more
than
doubled.
E
It
became
evident
that
a
median
was
going
to
be
expected.
The
median
drove
the
need
to
widen
on
the
south
side.
The
south
side
meant
that
we
had
to
move
hydro,
poles,
moving
hydro,
poles
added
to
the
cost
and
suddenly
the
project,
even
in
2011
luned
somewhere
in
the
order
of
about
$900,000,
so
I
need
to
know
more
fully
what
that
involves,
and
then
secondly,
I
need
to
know
when
it
would
rank
on
the
development
charge
by
law,
so
that
we
know
when
we
would.
E
E
F
Therefore,
saving
costs
over
the
long
run
so
I
would
support
deferral
of
one
meeting
for
staff
and
the
applicants
and
traffic
and
councillor
Dean's
to
go
out
and
work
on
a
solution
and,
in
my
view,
nothing
focuses
the
mind
and
creativity
like
a
deadline,
and
you
got
two
weeks
to
figure
out
how
to
make
a
work
and
I
think
this
could
easily
be
added
to
the
DC
background
study
through
the
the
working
group.
That's
going
to
happen
next
year
and.
A
To
all
right,
there's
an
editor
at
the
next
planning
meeting,
we're
going
to
have
an
item
from
councillor
Wilkinson,
which
is
actually
meets
all
of
the
targets,
sure
what
is
it
M?
Almost?
What's
the
address
of
that
pardon
Huntsville
and
Terry
Fox,
okay,
which
has
been
a
problem,
that's
exacerbated
by
the
closing
of
the
Google
Burnside
Road,
which
is
causing
real
problems?
Okay
and
through
that
process
of
understanding
that
which
we're
not
going
to
likely
be
able
to
do
either.
A
You
know
that
has
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
of
whether
they'll
craft,
when
you
have
a
situation
where
there
isn't
any
warrants
achieved
even
close
to
them
that
they're
going
to
be
sitting
waiting
for
until
2025,
maybe
with
the
Bank
Street
front,
ending
that
we
did
recently
for
councillor
cash
and
councillor
de
Roos,
that
payback
I
think
is
2024
on
Bank
Street
and
it
met
everything
so,
okay,
so
you
now
put
that
on
the
floor.
The
the
motion
is
to
therefore
be
resolved.
A
The
plan
community
defer
the
vote
on
195
meandering
Brook
Drive
until
the
April
24th
meeting
and
direct
planning
staff
to
work
with
the
developer
during
that
time
to
explore
any
and
all
options
to
find
solutions
to
the
traffic
and
transit
problems
outlined
above
and
outlined
above
were
I.
Think
you
spoke
to
those,
or
did
you
want
to
go
into
more
detail?
Well.
A
H
You
and
thank
you,
mr.
page
for
being
here,
and
let
me
just
first
say
that
I've
worked
with
Dale
craft
many
times
over
the
years
and
I
think
they're,
really
solid
development,
company
and
they've
been
great
to
work
with.
So
it's
it's,
not
personal.
It's
about
the
safety
and
developing
a
good,
planned
community
and
I
think
the
one
part
of
the
story.
Mr.
page,
that
perhaps
you
forgot
to
tell
planning
committee
is
back
in
2010
during
the
original
application.
H
The
warrant
with
similar
numbers
to
the
traffic
volumes
today
was
at
89%
without
the
proposed
270
additional
units,
and
so
with
that
in
mind,
they'll
craft
stood
at
public
meetings
in
front
of
the
community
and
promised
to
put
a
light
in
at
that
intersection
and
so
created
an
expectation
in
this
community
eight
years
ago
that
that
light
would
come
and
I
guess.
I
found
a
little
strange
to
hear.
H
E
To
comment
on
it
sure
I'd
be
glad
to
so
back
in
2001
when
we
had
our
2010
when
we
had
a
very
different
proposal
with
270
units
and
a
single
entrance
warrants
were
in
the
range
of
about
87%.
We
agreed
that
we
would
look
into
it
and
we
certainly
were
at
that
time
prepared
to
proceed
based
on
the
cost
estimates
that
we
had
and
the
design
that
we
had
done
as
we
attempted
to
work
towards
the
road
modification
agreement
with
the
city.
The
costs
ballooned
I
had
made
some
reference
to
having
to
install
a
medium.
E
In
its
current
form,
we
had
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
figure
out
some
other
way
to
make
this
work,
and
that's
what
we've
done
and
and
part
of
the
reason
that
we've
gone
back
is
we
wanted
to
find
a
way
to
lower
the
density
still
within
the
framework
of
the
zoning
bylaw.
We
wanted
to
try
and
appease
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
came
from
the
community,
and
this
does
work
considerably
better.
Instead
of
87%
warrants,
it's
only
67
percent
warrants.
E
H
I
Madam
chair
staff
of
Kennedy
intersection
a
number
of
times
since
2010
four
times
in
2014,
26
in
2016
and
once
in
2018,
so
the
volumes
are
notably
less
than
what
they
were
in
in
2010
in
2010,
we
were
using
student
counters
since,
since
2011
and
onward
we've
been
using
the
maya
vision,
cameras
and
that
has
shown
to
be
more
accurate
and
the
volumes
are
notably
reduced
compared
to
the
four
following
counts
compared
to
the
2010
count.
So.
I
H
J
Three
man,
chair
so
I,
mean
I
think
back
in
2010
when
the
count
was
done,
it
was
89
percent
again,
I'm,
not
sure
what
happened
that
day.
It's
strange
that
you
would
go
from
89
percent
down
to
50
percent,
so
it
tells
me
either.
There
was
an
event
that
went
on
that
forced
traffic
to
use
that
road
I
because
of
an
accident,
or
we
had
a
bad
count
or
yeah.
J
So
those
are
the
kind
of
things
we
do
because
normally,
when
we
have
intersections
that
are
any
even
70s
or
80s,
they
tend
to
stay
there
and
with
time
because
of
growth,
they
increase
the
challenge.
With
the
warrants
is
it's
not
usually
the
Main
streets
on
this
case
Lester?
It's
usually
the
side
street
that
creates
the
demand.
You
need
at
least
75
vehicles
per
hour
for
eight
hours
to
to
approach
the
intersection
from
the
side
street.
The
count
that
we
did
this
past
winter
and
I
think
was
January
February.
J
H
Well,
it's
the
main
road,
the
other
ones
very
Security's
route
out
and
what
you're
reflecting
is
certainly
not
what
the
people
that
live
there,
reflecting
at
all
so
I,
don't
know
where
the
breakdown
is,
but
it
just
seems
odd
to
me
that
89
to
46
doesn't
really
make
sense,
but
those
are
all
my
questions
to
the
proponent.
I
do
have
other
questions
to
staff
when
we
get
there.
Okay,.
K
K
Modifications
at
this
intersection,
your
company
would
be
prepared
to
contribute
to
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
traffic
lights
is
the
right
option.
We've
heard
you
know
a
roundabout
or
other
modifications,
I'm
sure
that
will
come
out
after
after
the
one-month
meeting.
But
Lester
is
a
fast
road.
It
is
going
to
be
widened.
There
will
be
more
traffic,
people
need
to
get
across
the
other
side.
If
there's
going
to
be
bus
transportation,
there
has
to
be
a
realization
that
that
there
will
be,
and
there
are
safety
issues.
So
what
are
you
prepared
as
a
minimum?
K
E
E
We've
had
a
number
of
discussions
about
a
number
of
different
options,
starting
in
terms
of
the
more
affordable
options.
We've
heard
discussions
about
stop
signs
as
being
an
option.
We've
also
had
discussions
about
lowering
the
speed
limits
along
Leicester
Road.
Neither
of
those
has
been
pursued
and
those
are
relatively
simple
measures
that
would
improve
I,
guess,
visibility
and
and
and
the
use
of
that
intersection
and
the
city
is
often
not
to
exercise
those
we've
been
at
this
for
eight
years
trying
to
to
get
our
site
plan
approved.
E
We
meet
all
of
the
standards
that
that
we
are
required
to
meet.
We
we
at
one
point
in
time
we're
prepared
to
make
a
pretty
significant
contribution,
but
with
the
elapse
'men
of
time,
we've
eaten
into
any
kind
of
profit
margins
on
this
site,
we're
desperately
trying
to
keep
afloat
of
it.
You
know,
under
the
circumstances,
that's.
K
K
You
know
at
some
point
I'm
thinking
well,
maybe
I
just
came
in
and
finance
the
lights
because
in
our
project
can
get
going
and
we
don't
keep
paying
property
tax
and
on
develop
land
and
all
this
stuff,
but
anyway,
I
hope,
I
support,
what's
being
proposed
here,
I
think
in
a
month
you
can
come
to
some
sort
of
outcome,
and
this
you
know,
because
I'm
not
prepared
to
support
the
site
plan.
At
this
point.
Okay,.
A
I
I
A
L
Thank
you
and
others
have
asked
some
of
the
questions
does
Vale
craft.
Mr.
page,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Does
Vale
crafter
to
your
knowledge
of
the
developers
intend
to
make
any
other
development
applications
for
this
area
that
you
know
of
you
went
from
269
to
156?
Do
you
have
any
plans
to
add
to
that
in
the
future.
E
L
A
H
C
A
H
H
A
C
Chair
we're
always
open
to
further
discussions,
but
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
we
have
explored
this
issue
extensively
over
the
past
months
with
mr.
mark.
Mr.
Baker
Colin
can
speak
to
more
detail
but
I'm
concerned
about
the
expectation
of
a
resolution
on
something
that's
been
explored
extensively
already.
Yeah.
I
Chair
two
points
of
clarification
for
using
development
charges
for
reimbursement.
One
would
that
the
Ontario
Ministry
of
Transportation
wants
would
need
to
be
met
which
they
arced
in
the
SLO
in
this
location
and
two
that
temporary
works
would
not
be
reimbursed
either.
So
because
the
road
is
expect
to
be
widened
within
the
next
six
to
eight
years.
Putting
traffic
lights
in
at
this
location
would
be
in
a
temporary
location
that
have
to
be
relocated
as
part
of
the
widening.
I
So
for
those
two
fundamental
points,
I,
don't
believe
they
would
be
put
into
the
development
charge
by
law
as
an
intersection
on
its
own,
and
it's
also
important
to
note
that
this
section
of
Leicester
Road
between
the
port,
Parkway
and
Bank
Street,
is
already
in
the
DC
bylaw.
It's
a
phase,
two
transportation
master
plan
project
expected
to
be
implemented
in
2020
for
2026
timeframe.
So
that
would
be
the
the
time
to
explore
intersection
control
measures
would
be
part
of
the
detailed
design
as
part
of
this
widening
exercise.
I
The
environmental
assessment
that
was
completed
in
2015
looked
at
it
as
well
and
did
not
anticipate
the
need
for
intersection
control
measures
even
with
the
full
widening.
So
it's
it's
staffs
sense
that,
even
with
delaying
this
deferring
it
by
another
two
weeks
that
we
would
likely
be
no
further
ahead,
that
we
would
likely
not
put
it
into
the
DC
bylaw.
A
L
A
B
You
very
much
madam
chair
Phil.
It's
good
to
see
you
here
and
you
know
my
love
of
warrants.
Evil
words.
We
can't
even
get
a
stop
sign
put
in
as
counselors
because
it
has
to
meet
a
warrant.
I
have
two
situations
on
servo
Road
that
you're
very
familiar
with
what
I'm
trying
to
achieve
the
warrants
with
great
difficulty.
B
It's
always
on
the
edge
and
it
fluctuates
all
the
time
and
then
I
have
another
situation
where
I
have
a
developer
that
had
built
back
in
the
day
based
on
a
target
number
of
units
to
be
put
in.
They
modified
their
site
plan
during
development
because,
again,
condominiums
weren't,
the
hot
rage
anymore,
now
they'll
never
hit
this
target
and
I
can't
get
the
lights
in.
Is
this
a
similar
situation?
What
councillor
Dean's
is
talking
about
here.
J
I'm
not
sure
I,
understand
the
question.
In
turn,
I
mean
we
have
a
long
process
for
new
traffic
signals.
Today,
I
mean
we've
got
19
locations
that
meet
warrants
that
we
don't
have
funding
for
to
complete.
We
have
some
intersections
like
the
one
on
Cyril
you're
referencing
to
that's
in
the
high
90s,
that's
getting
close
to
being
warranted.
J
So
that's
our
challenge
is
that
you
know
we
use
the
warrants
to
to
help
us
determine
when
when
those
locations
should
be
signalized,
and
so
the
challenge
is,
you
know
when
you
have
a
location
that
doesn't
meet
the
warrants.
How
do
you
justify
that
being
completed
when
you
have
locations
that
do
meet
warrants
and
we're
trying
to
get
through
those
locations?
But
it's
taking
time
when
the
average
costs
for
for
these
locations
can
range
from
one
and
a
half
to
two
million
dollars
and.
B
J
The
warrants
that
we
use
for
traffic
signals
are
established
through
the
province
of
Ontario.
It's
what's
used
throughout
the
provinces
for
consistency.
It's
based
on
looking
at
the
risk
in
terms
of
studies
were
done
when
they
were
developed
to
determine
how
much
traffic
do
you
need
before
you
start
to
see,
increases
in
collisions,
because
people
aren't
accepting
there's
not
enough
gas
for
people
to
accept,
and
they
don't
want
to
wait
for
very
long
long
periods
of
time
and
then
collisions
start
to
increase.
J
So
the
numbers
that
were
established
is
that
threshold,
where,
if
you
get
over
that
number,
then
you
likely
to
see
collisions,
and
so
that's
how
we
use
that
that
was
approved
some
15-20
years
ago
by
council.
As
the
process
we
used
to
to
determine
if
signals
are
warranted
and
once
they
are
then
they're
putting
a
program
and
they're
installed
based
on
a
list
of
priorities,
and
in
this
case,
because
we
have
more
warranted
locations
that
we
have
funding
to
do
per
year.
B
And
I
do
appreciate
that
and
again
I
just
find
that
whole
process
flawed
I
brought
this
up
with
the
chair
of
Transportation.
Keep
that
glance
several
occasions
where
I
have
this
one
intersection
where
there's
an
accident
every
six
months
and
it
still
doesn't
meet
the
ones
that
I
don't
understand
that,
but
back
to
the
development
side,
so
the
property
in
question,
Isla
governme,
it's
as
a
rich
craft
property.
They
started
building
their
units
and
you're
familiar.
You
know
I'm
going
on
this.
B
They
said
when
they
hit
a
certain
unit
number
they
would
put
in
pay
for
the
light
set.
Is
this
a
very
similar
situation,
accounts
or
Dean's
and
like
like
I'm,
saying
they
modified
their
plan,
originally
they're
going
to
do
chock-a-block,
condominiums
and
modified
it
to
much
larger
footprint
homes?
So,
of
course,
we're
never
going
to
hit
that
target?
What
happens
in
that
situation
so.
J
Normally,
what
happens
for
development
driven
intersection,
so
you
see
them
more
at
the
malls
and
things
like
that,
the
developer
would
pay
for
the
intersection
the
traffic
lights
be
installed.
Then
they
would
request
that
we
do
account
if
the
location
meets
the
warrants,
then
the
city
the
following
year,
takes
over
the
maintenance
and
operating
costs.
If
the
location
doesn't
meet
the
warrants,
then
the
developers
still
pays
for
those
costs
or
it
could
be
transferred.
B
J
Just
a
regular
traffic
light,
so
if
there
was
left
turn
lanes
installed,
there's
no
roadway
modifications,
that's
about
a
quarter
million
dollars
when
you
have
to
start
putting
in
left
turn
lanes
right
turn
lanes
in
this
case
it
sounds
like
hydro
has
to
be
moved.
We
have
to
shift
then
that
that
cost
goes
up.
I
can
give
you.
If
you
look
at
our
traffic
signal
program,
I
think
about
17
or
18
of
the
intersections,
require
roving
modifications
and
we're
looking
at
cost
anywhere
between
one
and
a
half
and
three
million
dollars
per
location
and.
J
B
A
Before
I
go
on
to
the
next
questions,
I
would
like
you
to
provide
a
list
to
us
of
the
19
intersections
today
that
are
waiting
to
be
built
and
their
addresses.
Okay,
then
I
also
want
to
ask
you
just
to
clarify.
You
said
that
you
can
only
afford
two
a
year,
so
this
reminds
me
of
the
school
crossing
guard
right.
We
all
know
we
all
want
passionately
to
have
school
crossing
guards
more
of
them
that
yep
in
our
budget.
We
only
have
so
much
yeah.
A
A
F
J
J
G
D
F
Fair
enough,
but
I
guess
what
councillor
Dean's
is
asking
is
for
a
couple
weeks
or
a
month
whatever
it
is
to
go
back
and
look
at
it.
Perhaps
a
pxo
was
never
considered
or
thought
of,
or
it
never
came
into
the
conversation,
but
a
combination
of
a
reduction
to
60
and
a
pxo
might
solve
the
councillors
problem.
F
The
neighbourhoods
problem,
that's
a
thousand
bucks
and
fifty
grand,
if,
even
even
if,
it's
a
signalized
pxo,
it's
50
or
60
grand,
that's
a
that's
a
$70,000
solution
and
not
a
million
dollar
solution,
and
maybe
that
takes
three
weeks
to
go
off
and
figure.
If
that,
if
that's
the
right
solution
that
gets
people
to
cross
the
street,
to
the
bus,
stop
slows
traffic
down
and
seemed
like
I
guess.
My
point:
is
people
were
locked
in
on
a
traffic
light?
People
might
have
been
locked
in
on
a
stop
sign.
There
are
at
least
two
other
options.
F
You
just
mentioned
that
we
haven't
talked
about
at
all
and
sounds
like
weren't
seriously
looked
at
because
of
other
factors,
perhaps
the
time
to
do
that,
like
if
they've
been
waiting
seven
years
and
councillor
Dean
says
it
hasn't
all
been
for
the
city
seven
years,
another
two
or
three
four
weeks
like
really
go
off,
think
about
it.
Look
at
it.
Counselor
can
decide
whether
she
would
support
a
speed
limit
reduction
to
accommodate
for
the
PX
Oh.
F
Bang.
We're
done
like
I,
don't
know
why
we're
so
so
much
effort
into
it
when
just
talking
about
getting
the
councillor
in
office
a
little
bit
more
time
to
see
if
they
can
work
out
a
solution
that
would
make
sense
financially
and
traffic
wise
and
maybe
consider
some
things
that
haven't
been
in
the
mix
so
far,
because
you
know
how
this
place
works.
Planning
is
siloed
from
transportation,
which
is
silent
from
transit.
They
never
horizontally
talk,
go
off
and
spend
a
couple
of
weeks
talking
to
each
other.
F
A
150
houses
yen,
we
are
but
I
mean
instead
of
going
on
a
long
time,
so
I
listen
to
what
you
said
in
the
pxo.
So,
for
example,
you
know
the
money
that
we
get
every
year
in
our
accounts.
Can
we
contribute
that
money
to
that
purpose?
So,
for
example,
councillor
Dean's
could
kick
in
if
it
was
only
$70,000.
Could
she
put
in
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
a
year
to
help
pay
for
that
I
think.
J
F
A
A
You
found
out
that
it
would
did
achieve
totally
achieved,
and
so
I
asked
you
if
I
can
contribute
some
of
my
money
to
make
that
happen.
The
answer
is
yes,
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
part
of
the
solution
as
well.
How
it's
going
to
be
paid
for
is
not
only
the
solution
can't
only
be
on
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
have
somebody
building
150
units,
how
many
I
mean
just
think
about
it,
150
units.
I
Judges
the
point
of
clarification
here
we
have,
we
did
consider
a
pxl
dislocation
and
we
did
consider
a
reduction
in
speed
from
60
from
80
to
60,
and
you
would
need
approximately
a
hundred
pedestrians
to
be
crossing
at
this
location
and
an
eight-hour
period.
Currently,
there's
there's
about
one
person.
Accounts
are
showing
about.
One
person
is
crossing
at
this
location
and
and
even
with
even
with
a
bus,
stop
there's
a
bus.
Stop
there.
A
A
A
A
H
Thank
you
first,
let
me
just
say
that
if
we
do
come
to
a
solution
before
April
24th
I'd
be
happy
to
give
delegated
authority
back
to
staff
and
not
trouble
you
with
this
ever
again,
so
maybe
that
would
be
a
incentive
to
work
something
out.
My
first
question
to
city
staff
is:
what
is
our
policy
on
providing
transit
options
for
new
developments.
I
H
So,
as
I
understand,
this
proposed
development,
the
staff
are
requiring
a
bus
pad
on
the
north
side
and
OC
Transpo
in
conversation
with
them
are
predicting
about
50
new
users
from
the
hundred
and
fifty-six
units
that
are
being
proposed.
But
city
staff
are
rejecting
a
bus
pad
on
the
south
side,
because
we
have
no
safe
way
of
getting
those
transit
riders
across
the
street.
H
So
what
we're
left
with
is
a
situation
where
OC
Transco
can
pick
up
Weider's
in
the
morning,
but
we
can't
get
them
home
at
night
because
we
have
nowhere
to
drop
them
off
and
the
best
second
location
would
be
at
the
intersection
of
Alban
and
Lester
full
kilometer
away
from
this
new
development
and
then
we'd
be
asking
these
50
riders
to
work
on
an
80
kilometer
Road,
a
kilometer
to
get
home
where
there
are
no
sidewalks
and
I'll.
Just
wonder
what
kind
of
urban
planning
is
this.
I
In
working
with
OC
Transpo,
they
have
developed
another
routes,
servicing
plan
that
has
the
westbound
bus,
a
location
on
Albion
Road,
and
it
would
be
a
walk
along
the
enduring
Brook
in
Mass
Avenue,
which
isn't
shown
on
the
photo
on
the
screen
above
you.
But
there
would
be
some
local
streets
that
would
connect
the
new
development
to
transit
to
Albion
Road.
I
I
H
Sort
of
I,
but
I
would
contend
that
every
community
needs
to
be
a
safe
community.
We
need
to
be
able
to
move
people
effectively
and
safely
and
we
need
in
a
city
that
parts
itself
from
building
a
state-of-the-art
public
transit
system
to
be
building
new
communities
that
are
not
served
by
public
transit
in
a
safe
way
in
regard
to
our
own
policies
makes
no
sense
to
me
and
the
whole
issue
there
is
that
intersection.
H
If
we
can
move
people
across
that
street
in
a
safe
manner,
we
OC
Transpo
can
provide
reasonable
transit
service
to
that
community
and
I
actually
think
this
is
the
fundamental
issue
here
that
we
should
never
approve
a
proposal
like
this
that
doesn't,
as
our
public
transit
ridership
issues.
We
wonder
why
we're
losing
riders,
we're
building
brand
new
communities
and
we
can't
serve
them
with
public
transit.
H
That's
that's
no
way
to
build
a
city,
so
I
am
going
to
be
asking
you
to
send
this
back
and
I'm
going
to
be
asking
the
city
and
the
proponent
to
have
an
open
mind
and
finding
solutions.
I'm
prepared
to
look
at
the
pxo
I,
say
with
flashing
lights
and
prepared
to
look
and
always
stop,
but
I
understand
that
there's
safety
issues,
because
the
speed
on
Westar
Road,
but
we
can
never
ask
people
to
be
crossing
that
Street
in
an
unsafe
way
and
we
should
be
providing
transit
at
the
location
as
recommended
by
OC
Transpo.
H
So
for
that
reason,
and
the
reason
that
this
community
has
the
full
expectation
that
a
light
is
going
there
because
they
were
promised
delight
eight
years
ago,
I
really
feel
that
we
need
to
send
this
back
and
get
it
right
and,
as
I
said,
I'd
be
happy
to
give
delegated
authority
back
to
staff.
When
a
solution
is
found.
If
a
solution
isn't
found,
then
I'm
going
to
be
asking
this
committee
to
reject
the
sight
point,
because
I
don't
believe
this
is
good.
Zoo.
A
Gary,
whenever
you
think
that
you're
hearing
that
you
want
to
jump
in
and
talk
about
development
charges
with
regard
to
intersections
and
what
what
our
health
looks
like,
etc,
etc,
so
be
prepared
for
that
counselor,
leaper
and
then
counselor
Luce,
Kadri
hubely,
this
bond
I
know
I've
been
waiting.
I
might
keep
saying
it.
Skills
reliever
thank.
M
You
we
you're
hearing
that
profound
frustration
among
residents
with
the
the
system
of
warrants
and
no
system
of
warrants.
I'm,
sorry
I
think
you
heard
them
say
you
know.
Most
of
our
warrants
are
at
least
ten
years
old,
so
they've
been
developed.
You
know
before
our
new
official
plans,
that
are
you,
know,
pedestrian
oriented,
transit,
oriented,
new
thinking
about
urban
planning,
new
thinking
in
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
and
we're
still
using
car-centric
driver
centric
warrants.
M
You
talked
about
the
expected
operating
speed
of
cars
so
that
no
matter
what
you
do,
you
still
expect
the
the
operating
speed
of
cars
to
be
80
kilometers
per
hour.
What
is
the
expected
operating
behavior
of
pedestrians,
who
are
going
to
be
moving
into
this
community?
There's
going
to
be
a
bus
stop
across
the
street?
How
do
you
expect
them
to
operate?
M
D
B
D
They
will
have
that
that
safe
pedestrian
connectivity
to
the
site
and
as
part
of
the
conditions
of
approval,
Vale
crafts
will
be
extending
that
sidewalk
and
installing
the
bus
pattern
on
the
north
side.
It's
South
PM
service,
whether
where
there
is
no
bus,
stop
on
the
south
side
of
Leicester
were
right.
Now,
as
we
heard,
the
the
preferred
stop
is
a
distance
away
that
residents
would
have
to
walk
through
us
off
of
Leicester
Road.
M
D
There's
always
a
challenge
in
the
context
here
of
trying
to
get
people
on
where
the
low
is
not
that
the
road
is
not
double-loaded.
There's
no
development.
On
the
south
side,
we've
heard
that
OC
Transpo
works
within
their
guidelines
and
and
parameters
to
try
and
achieve
that
that
desirability
for
convenience
stops
where
people
will
encourage
transit.
I,
don't
disagree
with
that
and
what
mr.
Simpson
had
mentioned
vote
as
a
city
wide
policy
trying
to
achieve
that
95th
percentile.
D
There
are
contextual
challenges
for
our
sites
on
the
urban
edge,
and
this
is
one
of
them
and
is
the
door
closed
to
work
with
OC,
Transpo
and
finding
a
better
route
for
the
area
there
are
other.
There
are
other
neighborhoods
with
similar
context
where
the
buses
always
load
on
the
north
side
in
the
AM
and
PM
peak,
and
is
that
a
solution
that
OC
Transpo
can
possibly
implement
without
the
need
for
any
signalization
are
the
type
of
intervention.
Those
are
things
that
a
discussion,
a
fulsome
discussion
with
that
group
may
may
bring
solution
to
so.
M
Let's
work
on
that
and
make
sure
that
we've
actually
docked
those
solutions.
Councillor
Blais
suggested
a
number
of
things
that
we
need
to
look
at
before.
We
approve
a
site
plan
that
will
put
hundreds
of
residents
in
a
position
where
they
have
no
convenient
transit.
We
shouldn't
be
approving
these
new
developments
until
we
can
assure
them
that
we
are
building
it
according
to
our
official
plan
policies
of
trying
to
encourage
transit
and
pedestrian
and
and
other
forms
of
alternative
transit.
A
A
B
M
If
saying
no
to
developments,
because
they're
not
well
enough
served
by
transit
is
is
putting
into
question
the
sustainability
of
the
city
or
they
will
provide
exactly
that,
may
be
the
spur
we
need
to
finally
start
designing,
transit
and
putting
the
resources
to
it
that
we
need
anyways.
Thank
you
sure
thank.
A
You
Gary
did
you
want
to
talk
about
DC's
I
mean
what
would
I
mean
just
even
from
the
perspective
of
how
they
would
be
captured
for
what
you're
hearing
today
and
what
difference
that
would
make
and
how
they
would
be,
how
we
as
a
city,
would
be
able
to
look
at
payback
and
and
and
and
that
sort
of
thing,
just
even
at
that
level.
I
think
it's
important
yeah.
K
K
So
maybe
that
2019,
that
can
be
looked
at
more
closely
to
say
that
there
should
be
some
sort
of
allocation
or
differentiation
between
areas
but
I
think
for
for
fairness.
It
would
seem
odd
that
we
were
going
to
use
development
charges
collected
outside
Greenbelt
to
fund
something
inside
Greenbelt.
From
my
perspective,
so.
L
Neff
see
men
I
met
because
II,
don't
Kim
can
you
we
talked
about
mr.
Simpson,
you
said
one
person
is
crossing
and
we
talked
about
the
warrants.
Eighty,
nine
percent:
forty
six
percent-
are
these
pre
construction
based
on
existing
conditions
or
anticipating
the
conditions
when
the
hundred
and
fifty
six
units
have
been
built.
I
I
L
I
Well,
that
was
a
long
time
ago,
counselor
that
was
in
2010
when
that
count
was
done
and
count
dated.
Four
applications
of
this
purpose
are
normally
no
later
than
five
years,
so
we
would
have
been
asked
for
a
new,
updated
traffic
count
and
traffic
analysis
in
beyond
just
the
2010
count.
So
we
did
the
count.
We
did
the
counts
again
in
2014
twice
in
2016
again
in
2018,
and
all
of
those
subsequent
counts
were
done
with
my
own
vision,
cameras.
I
The
count
that
was
done
in
2010
did
use
students
to
do
that
data
collection,
so
there
could
have
been
some
anomalies
associated
with
that
methodology
that
we
used
in
in
2010,
but
we're
quite
confident
of
where
we
are
now
in
terms
of
what
the
traffic
volumes
are,
since
we've
counted
a
number
of
times
over
the
last
few
years,
and
they
seem
to
be
consistent
and
that's
what
we're
basing
it
on
the
most
recent
count
data.
What.
L
J
There's
no
legal
implications.
What
we
just
find
is
that
you
potentially
have
people
running
red
lights
when
they're
not
occurring
there's
cars
that
are
stopping
when
they
didn't
need
to.
So
you
have
potential
for
increased
collisions
with
rear-end
collisions.
So
it's
just
you
know,
and
when
you
get
to
the
point
where
the
warrants
I
met,
the
like
bit
of
collisions
are
higher
than
those
you
know:
potential
consequences
of
having
a
traffic
light
there.
J
So
it's
trying
to
find
that
balance
when
it
were
in
a
location,
that's
about
very
low
warrants
and
you
put
a
signal
in
there
you're
more
likely
to
see
more
collisions
with
today.
Over
the
last
five
years
we
haven't
had
any
collisions
at
this
location.
Putting
a
signal
in
here.
You
may
start
to
see
having
a
collision
or
two.
So
those
are
those
are
the
things
we
have
to
look
at.
J
The
warrants
also
assist
us
in
terms
to
prioritizing
where
the
signals
go
and
where
they
should
go,
because
we
have
a
limit
amount
of
money
to
install
new
traffic
signals,
so
it
all
fits
in
within
the
puzzle
of
signalizing
location,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
you
know
if
we've
we've
installed
locations
that
are
not
don't
meet
warrants
in
the
past
and
it
was
counsels
desire
to
put
a
traffic
light
at
this
point.
We
would
you
know
it.
L
A
This
is
looking
that
this
is
pretty
much
off
topic
now.
You
know
if
I
think
that
there's
little
collectively
going
to
be
support
to
extend
the
deferral.
Okay,
so
let's
get
I
mean
now
you're
talking
about
something,
that's
more
useful,
better
to
be
asked
at
a
transit
committee,
because
we
don't
have.
We
tried
to
be
forward-thinking
and
had
Phil
here
and
that
Colin
here
had
a
Gary
here.
K
A
L
A
A
N
N
D
Up
top,
the
only
sidewalk
is
on
the
east
side
of
mandarin
brook,
and
it
terminates
here.
This
is
where
the
sidewalk
could
be
extended
as
part
of
the
site
plan
approval,
it's
all
paved
shoulders
on
the
south
side
of
leicester
and
and
the
north
side
outside
of
this
intersection.
It's
a
royal
cross
section
outside
of
outside
of
this
intersection.
Okay,.
N
So
that
top
piece
is
not
a
sidewalk
at
the
top
correct.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
was
a
sidewalk
because
the
way
it
shows
in
the
picture
it
does
look
like
a
sidewalk
but
anyways
coming
back
to
the
issue
in
terms
of
traffic
calming
and/or
transit
for
that
matter,
but
transit
to
the
chair's
ruled
that
it
may
not
be
appropriate
to
ask
those
questions
right
now
in
terms
of
the
traffic
calming
measures
and
I'm
sure,
councillor
Dean's
has
discussed
that
with
staff.
J
N
Well,
thanks
for
that,
mr.
Landry
and
my
concern,
as
you
know,
you
and
I
have
talked
many
a
time
along
with
some
of
the
exciting
staff.
Is
that
concerned
about
the
warrant
system
and
I
know
some
some
of
my
colleagues
and
most
of
my
colleagues
have
expressed
their
concerns
about
the
warrant
system.
The
public
tells
us
over
and
over
and
over
again
they
live
in
the
community.
They
have
a
concern
of
safety,
yet
we
have
to
go
back
to
looking
at
warrant
system
in
terms
of
get
a
stop
sign,
get
a
traffic
light.
N
What
have
you,
as
you
know,
mr.
Landry,
in
my
area,
there's
a
couple
of
intersections
that
were
either
failing
or
close
to
failing.
One
of
them
does
have
a
traffic
light,
but
the
intersection
that
we've
got
modified,
so
the
traffic
light
doesn't
function
properly
in
this
intersection.
We're
talking
about
is
the
one
that
leads
to
the
Canadian
Tire
Center.
As
an
example,
it's
a
very
important
intersection
and
again
coming
back
to
the
warrant
system,
the
it
did
not
meet
that
traffic
like
installation
now
because
of
the
money
we
can't
you
know,
redesign
the
intersection.
N
My
question
to,
and
maybe
somebody
from
planning
can
answer,
that
is
the
continuous
approval
of
subdivisions
and
site
site
plan
approval
without
looking
at
the
infrastructure,
either
existing
infrastructure
and/or
new
infrastructure.
Why
are
we
doing
that?
I
mean?
Why
are
we
continue
to
expand
my
case
in
the
farallon's
area?
N
So
why
have
we
not
talked
about
either
traffic
calming
measures
going
in
temporarily
in
that
road
number,
one
and
number
two:
the
fact
that
if
it's
not
safe
for
transit
to
get
there,
you
know
people
that
take
transit.
Then
why
even
bother
having
transit
on
that
particular
road
of
a
particular
area
to
me,
the
150
homes?
C
Councillor
in
this
bond,
thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
think
it's
clear
from
the
discussion
that
we're
hearing
around
the
table
that
it
is
necessary
to
go
back
and
take
another
look
at
what
our
options
are
here.
One
thing
I
want
to
clarify
with
mr.
Landry
when
you
answer
councillor
Tierney,
you
said
1
million
to
2
million
for
a
roundabout,
but
we
also
have
options
of
smaller
roundabouts
that
are
a
lot
cheaper,
yeah
I,
don't
know
if
it
would
work
on
Leicester,
but
it
is
something
we
could
look
at
correct,
yeah,.
J
C
C
At
options,
okay,
thank
you.
My
other
question
is
to
do
and
I
think
mr.
Simpson
may
be
able
to
answer
this.
When
we
go
off
a
luster
into
that
division,
the
right
in
right
out.
It
appears
that
there's
a
row
can
you
bring
a
picture
back
up
with
the
units
in
it
the
the
plan,
the
second
thanks,
so
we
will
come
in
at
the
top
there
off
the
right
in
right
out.
D
Austin,
thank
you
for
the
question.
That's
something
you
actually
did
discuss
with
OC
Transpo
in
our
many
meetings.
The
the
program
for
this
development
is
that
that
would
also
maybe
ultimately
become
a
private
street.
So
there
there
are
issues
with
bringing
OC
transport
buses
onto
private
streets
as
well.
A
cross
section
for
a
private
street
is
typically
narrower,
so
the
design
of
the
of
the
road
itself
may
not
accommodate
a
bus
and
I'm
not
aware
of
example,
is
where
we
bring.
We
see
transfer
buses
onto
a
private
road
extensively
for
for
service,
but
we
did.
C
So
it's
not
wide
enough
now,
but
not
built
yet
either
correct.
It's
not
there!
Yet,
okay!
So
that's
something!
I
could
go
into
this
review
that
that
might
be
it
because
if,
if
they
want
to
make
private
roads
in
there,
every
single
Road
doesn't
have
to
be
private
correct
if
it
just
the
full
road
could
be
public
possible.
D
My
understanding
is,
it
would
be
a
significant
redesign
and
a
different
process
to
create
public
roads.
This
is
being
developed
as
as
a
Planned
Unit
development,
which
typically
has
a
6-meter
cross
section,
and
it
is
a
private
road
and
there'd
be
a
private
roadway
agreement
between
developer
X
in
the
city.
So
we
have
certainly
not
asked
for
this.
To
be
a
public
road
and
and
to
go
to
a
full
municipal
cross
section
standard
would
be
would
be
a
significant
redesign
to
velcro,
okay,
okay,.
A
G
G
I
told
councillor
Dean's
earlier
to
me:
that's
the
main
issue:
I
wouldn't
argue
for
the
installation
of
a
signalized
intersection
in
light
of
the
warrants,
but
there
are
other
elements
of
the
story
that
I
do
think
merit
a
second
look
and
I
do
think
it
is
perverse
to
think
that
we
wouldn't
provide
transit
service
for
a
community
on
the
basis
of
not
having
safe
access
to
cross
that
Street.
It's
just
no
one
in
this
room
emetic.
We
would
all
agree
with
that.
G
G
The
one
question
and
I
won't
spend
too
much
time
on
the
transportation
side,
but
but
Phil
you
mentioned,
you
know
looking
at
pxo,
you
sometimes
look
at
warrants
and
the
number
of
people
crossing
the
street
and
my
only
worry
there
is
you've-
heard
the
expression
it's
hard
to
justify
a
bridge
by
the
number
of
people
swimming
across
the
river
and
it's
a
little
bit
the
same
with
P
exo's.
You've
never
heard
that
yeah
so
I
mean
I
do
think.
G
Councillor
leaper
raised
some
important
points
that
it
probably
is
time
on
once
may
make
sense
for
signalized
intersections,
but
they
probably
don't
make
sense
for
other
forms
of
transportation
infrastructure
like
px
OS.
If
you
can
imagine
that
people
will
start
using
them,
people
will
start
crossing
the
street
if
they
were
there,
but
they're.
Now,
not
not
doing
that.
G
So,
madam
chair
I'll
support
the
deferral
on
the
basis
of
my
real
interest
here
is
to
really
encourage
staff
to
come
up
with
a
thoughtful
way
of
allowing
the
people
to
cross
the
street
I'm
partial
to
the
roundabout
option.
It
actually
helps
reduce
speed
along
that
that
stretch.
I
know
staff
are
doing
a
great
job,
putting
px
OS
on
either
side
of
roundabouts.
So
it
strikes
me
that
you
might
be
able
to
kill
a
number
of
birds
with
one
stone
in
that
way.
A
When
you
were
talking
about
the
warrants
and
how
they're
set
by
the
it
is,
no
one
else
is
on
the
list.
So
I'm
allowed
to
ask
question:
ask
questions
now:
councillor
Sorelli,
just
for
your
record,
so
when,
when
you
said
the
province
actually
sets
the
warrants
and
and
and
they're
generally
used
across
the
province
is
part
of
that
reasons,
to
take
it
out
of
the
hands
of
the
elected
officials
to
give
it
more
of
a
level
playing
field.
A
So
it's
about
safety
and
as
opposed
to
you
know
it
like
somebody
said
why
don't
we
just
let
them
put
a
four-way?
Stop
there
I'm
sure
that
Vale
crafts
sitting
there
would
go
go
ahead.
Fill
your
boots,
I
mean.
What
are
we
talking
the
cost
of
a
couple
of
signs?
What
would
you
have
to
say
to
that?
Well,.
J
The
ones
are
used
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
the
appropriate
control
is
used
at
the
appropriate
intersection.
If
we
start
putting.
If
we
met
warrants
and
every
time
we
ask
for
traffic
light,
we'd
have,
but
you
know
four
or
five:
six
thousand
traffic
lights,
because
everybody
wants
them
and
that
becomes
very
problematic.
I
mean
we
add.
J
Well,
that's
another
question
because
we
don't
have
enough
money
today
to
pay
for
the
traffic
lights
that
are
warranted,
so
the
challenge
becomes.
You
know,
as
you
put
more,
these
controls,
we're
seeing
these
with
multi
way
stops
where
there's
you
know,
lots
of
multi
way
stops
and
communities
and
people
aren't
stopping
so
now
we're
trying
to
fix
a
problem
where
the
stop
sign,
probably
should
have
been
there
in
the
first
place.
I
think
it
goes
back
to
the
bigger
pictures.
J
How
do
we
design
our
roads
so
that
we
don't
need
to
put
multi
way
stops
everywhere?
We've?
You
know
we
started
with
the
many
roundabouts
so
through
building
better
suburbs,
we're
looking
at
designing
the
communities
so
that
we're
not
we're
not
here,
sitting
trying
to
figure
something
out
because
a
roads
not
working
like
it
should
be.
You
know
a
new
subdivision
shouldn't
be
built
and
within
two
weeks
we're
out
there
trying
to
fix
a
traffic
problem,
so
those
are
the
kind
of
tools
that
we're
doing
moving
forward.
J
It's
a
challenge
with
existing
roads,
we've
got
programs,
we
piloted
a
mini
roundabouts
and
councillor
hubely
sward,
and
it
was
very
successful
because
we
could
put
it
in
there
and
we'll
be
looking
at.
You
know
it's
a
new
tool
that
we
use
and
we'll
be
using
in
other
areas
so
that
it,
you
know
going
back
to
your
question,
what
warrants
it's
there
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
the
road
it
operates
as
safe
as
possible.
If
you
put
too
many
of
a
certain
device,
it
reduces
the
safety.
J
A
F
Well,
you
know
Pat
screams,
your
shop
does
the
the
roots.
Generally,
though-
and
you
know
this
in
suburban
communities,
the
directions
are
typically
reversed
from
a.m.
to
p.m.
so,
if
you're
getting
on
the
bus
on
the
north
side
of
the
street,
VM
you're,
typically
getting
off
the
bus
on
the
south
side
and
the
p.m.
just
because
it's
easier
to
reverse
captivity.
A
F
A
This
case,
it's
like
the
chicken,
the
adage,
another
adage,
the
the:
why
did
the
chicken
cross
the
street
in
this
case?
There's
only
one
reason
and
that's
because
OC
transfers
putting
a
bus
stop
there,
because
NCC
is
not
going
to
develop
that
land
right
and
unless
there's
the
mayor,
blue
trails
and
stuff
through
there,
there's
not
going
to
be
chickens
crossing
the
street
to
get
to
the
other
side
of
a
four-lane
road.
Okay.
So
we
have
a
motion.
Yes,
so.
H
A
A
A
A
Sure
that
doesn't
change,
I,
think
that
was
presumed
right
so
on
the
different
motions
account.
Okay,
so
you've
heard
all
the
all
of
the
input,
questions,
etc,
directions.
So
I
think
we
need
a
whole
bunch
of
information
so
that
we
have
a
real
bird's-eye
view
of
this
one.
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Any.