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Special Planning Committee Meeting - 3 June 2022
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A
B
D
F
F
F
A
A
We
have
the
applicant
to
make
a
presentation-
and
this
is
all
on
the
site
playing
control
for
325,
327
and
333
montreal
road
334
mo
fall
street
and
273
saint
on
avenue.
We
have
11
delegations,
public
delegations
who
have
registered
today
and
so
far
we
are
aware
of
eight
motions
that
are
being
introduced
by
councillor
fleury.
A
councillor.
Flurry
is
not
a
member
of
committee,
but
councillor
moffat
will
move
procedurally
on
his
behalf.
A
If
there
are
any
other
motions
that
committee
members
wish
to
introduce,
can
you
please
send
them
to
kelly
the
clerk's
office
right
away
so
that
we
have
those
ready
to
go
now?
There
were
versions
of
the
motions
circulated
this
morning
by
staff
to
counselors,
but
I
understand
there
have
been
some
small
revisions
made
since
those
were
circulated.
A
C
G
Sure,
if
I
might
be
helpful,
we
staff
are
still
trying
to
work
through
a
revised
version
of
motion.
One
that's
in
progress.
I
believe
the
counselor
chloe
can
speak
to
the
others,
but
I
believe
that
if,
if
you're
with
your
indulgence,
if
you
can
hold
back
on
motion
one
and
subject
to
what
counselor
flurry
may
say,
I
believe
the
others
can
be
introduced.
A
D
Chair,
I'm
I'm
I'm
cognizant
we're
working
remotely,
so
I'm
not
sure
what's
made
it
to
to
kelly's
inbox.
We
I
just
I
was
a
few
seconds
late
here,
because
I
was
finalizing
with
legal.
Some
final
warning
on
one
of
the
motions,
but
there
had
been
minor
minor
tweaks
to
the
others,
so
I
I'm
not
sure
if
I
could
ask
if
kelly
could
loop
back
with
christine
enta,
who
would
have
the
latest
that
that
have
been
revised?
I
I
apologize
sheriff.
A
Well,
tell
you
what
I
don't
want
to
hold
up
the
meeting
and
I'd
prefer
to
introduce
the
motions
as
as
final
as
they
can
be.
So
why
don't
we
go
ahead
with
the
staff
presentation
and
then
the
applicant
presentation,
and
then,
if
we
can
try
to
have
all
the
motions,
the
latest
versions
ready
to
introduce
before
we
go
to
our
delegations,
because
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
for
the
delegations,
especially
to
be
aware
of
what's
in
front
of
us
before
we
have
their
presentations.
H
A
C
I
A
J
J
And
a
simple
closer
look
at
the
property
next
leg:
please,
and
this
view
with
the
satellite
imagery
showing
the
surrounding
context
of
the
property
with
frontage
on
montreal
road,
saint
down
avenue
and
mull
fall
speed
next
slide.
Please
here
are
a
few
images
showing
the
front
front:
access
of
the
property
looking
east
and
west
from
montreal
road
next
slide.
Please
here
are
views
of
the
loading
area
entrance
looking
north
and
south
from
saitan
avenue
next
slide.
Please
and
views
from
the
staff
parking
entrance
looking
west
and
east
on
mofold
next
slide,
please.
J
In
june
of
2020,
the
lp
rendered
a
decision
and
ruled
in
favor
of
dismissing
the
appeals
and
allowing
the
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
as
previously
approved
by
council
next
slide.
Please,
the
official
blind
amendment
introduced
two
amendments:
opa
199,
which
added
policies
to
the
official
plan
to
permit
shelter,
accommodations
on
the
property
in
question
and
opa
200
added
policies
to
the
montreal
road
district
secondary
plan
to
provide
a
surface
parking
lot
on
the
subject
properties
next
flight.
J
J
As
part
of
the
approved
report,
council
had
passed
a
motion
which
directed
city
the
city
staff
to
establish
a
site
plan
review
programming
advisory
committee.
The
advisory
committee
met
five
times
from
2018
to
2022..
The
mandate
of
the
advisory
committee
was
to
have
dialogue
that
would
help
shape
the
site
plan
review
and
discuss
future
programming
opportunities.
J
J
J
Next
slide,
please
a
quick
overview
of
the
evolution
of
the
proposal.
The
applicant
has
made
several
initial
changes
before
submitting
the
application.
The
staff
has
met
with
the
advisory
committee
multiple
times,
staff
have
met
with
the
word
counselor
on
multiple
occasions
and
staff
received
many
comments
from
the
public.
The
ward
counselor
also
hosted
a
community
meeting
on
may
11
2022.
J
The
discussions
mentioned
before
resulted
in
the
following
changes
to
the
proposal
reduction
in
the
height
from
six
to
four
stories
on
the
west
wing.
The
removal
of
a
previously
proposed
addictions
program,
the
addition
of
32
supportive
housing
units,
including
six
barrier-free
units,
simplification,
simplification
of
the
building
footprint
in
some
areas
in
order
to
remove
alcoves,
increased
visibility,
changing
materials,
change
of
the
building,
a
change
of
materials
in
the
driveway
pedestrian
access
in
order
to
formalize
the
various
uses.
There
also
some
various
landscaping
elements,
fencing
loading
facilities,
gates,
lighting
security
enhancements
next
slide.
J
The
application
is
also
consistent
with
sections
251
and
411
of
the
op.
The
application
meets
the
intent
of
the
central
sector
designation
in
the
montreal
road
district
secondary
plan,
notably,
policies
introduced
by
opa
200
next
place,
proposed
development's
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
bylaw
and
meets
all
the
applicable
performance
standards,
particularly
those
introduced
by
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
specific
to
exp
exceptions,
25
15
and
25
16,
as
mentioned
earlier
proposal,
has
been
well
designed
in
consultation
with
staff
and
is
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
its
surroundings
in
terms
of
building
materials.
J
A
A
F
Yes
well,
thank
you
chair
and
we'll
thank
you
to
the
planning
committee
I'll
briefly,
just
like
to
acknowledge
the
team
that
you
mentioned.
That's
here
from
open
architects,
patrick
bison
will
run
through
this
presentation.
We
have
gord
normal
from
hoben
as
well
and
photon
our
planners
miguel,
trombley
and
paul
black
and
various
members
of
our
consulting
team
and
members
of
the
salvation
army.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
patrick
that'll,
walk
you
through
the
presentation.
E
Great,
thank
you,
marco
and
thanks
jc,
for
the
presentation
is
quite
thorough
and
has
covered
quite
a
bit
of
my
material,
but
anyways.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today.
So
all
of
you
are
very
familiar
with
this
file,
as
it
has
a
long
history,
so
we'll
skip
over
the
the
you
know,
contextual
formalities,
because
I
think
you
guys
are
all
very
well
aware
of
where
this
building
is
located,
but
nonetheless
we'll
go
through
the
presentation.
E
E
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
our
our
mission
for
this
project
has
always
been
been
to
design
a
purpose-built
facility
that
is
designed
to
serve.
You
know
the
broad
range
of
community
needs,
but
also
providing
a
real
sense
of
hope
and
dignity
for
those
that
they
need
it.
The
most
next
slide,
please.
E
So,
as
jc
mentioned,
this
project
has
evolved
a
lot
over
the
last
couple
years
and
what
I
was
trying
to
do
is
separate.
You
know
what
has
changed,
essentially
after
the
lpat
leading
up
to
the
222
udrp
and
what
we
consider
those
changes
to
be
as
essentially
major
alterations
to
the
project.
So,
as
jc
mentioned,
the
west
wing
of
the
project
went
down
from
six
stories
to
four
stories.
Another
big
alteration
was
removing
the
addictions
program
and
substituting
that
for
supportive
housing.
E
E
So,
as
jc
had
mentioned,
one
of
the
main
items
was
improving
the
pedestrian
access
to
the
entrance
of
the
facility
indicated
by
number
two,
the
udrpn
indicated
they
had
concerns
with
the
architectural
language
of
the
community
space
at
the
center
of
a
project
which
is
highlighted
by
number
one
here,
so
we
changed
the
scale
and
the
materiality
of
it,
and
additionally,
they
had
some
concerns
with
how
we
were
treating
an
the
sort
of
front
planter
wall.
They
wanted
it
the
height
reduced,
to
gain
better
visibility
through
the
parking
lot.
E
E
Number
five
was
to
add
a
security
control
gate
leading
into
the
shipping
and
receiving
area
for
the
facility.
Sorry
skip
number
four
number
four
was
to
provide
a
security
gate
and
move
it
closer
towards
mulfall
street
towards
the
north
to
reduce
any
potential
either
queuing
or
people
gathering
there
number
six
was
to
again
reduce
the
scale
of
the
of
the
central
community
space
and
seven
was
at
the
pedestrian
increase
of
pedestrian
thoroughfare
to
the
main
access
next
slide.
E
Next
slide,
please.
So
in
general,
the
this
is
the
site
plan.
Again,
we
we
haven't
changed
the
intent
of
the
site
plan.
Everything
remains
quite
similar
to
what
it
initially
was
next
slide
next
slide,
please
so
we'll
just
go
through
some
of
the
important
design
principles,
but
the
takeaway
here
is
that
the
design
principles
were
really
developed
based
on
of
the
evidence,
shortcomings
of
the
existing
facility
and
and
and
the
principles
have
been
also
designed
by
very
influential
precedents
across
north
america.
E
E
It
provides
transit,
transitional,
independent
living,
supportive
housing,
special
care
units
day
program
and
administrative
support.
Next
slide,
please.
So
this
is
just
some
visual
illustrations
of
of
where
we're
at
today.
In
terms
of
trying
to
develop
the
interior
and
the
common
look
and
feel
of
the
place,
it
is
important
to
note
that
the
levels
three
and
four
of
the
west
wing
have
been
developed
with
flexibility
in
mind
and
if
the
future
need
is
to
transform
those
into
additional
supportive
housing,
we
have
that
flexibility.
E
E
It's
important
to
note
that
the
current
facility
really
struggles
in
providing
that,
and
we
think
that
with
reducing
the
amount
of
beds,
while
retaining
the
exact
same
amount
of
amenities
space
that
we
had
initially
really
helps
with
the
idea
of
keeping
people
on
site
rather
than
them
walking
around
the
neighborhood.
So
the
amenities
are
meant
to
engage
them
and
keep
them
within
the
facility
next
slide,
please.
So
that
was
the
ground
floor.
E
This
is
the
upper
levels,
so
we
have
common
emis
amenities
space
both
in
the
supportive
housing
and
in
the
emergency
shelter
wings
per
floor,
in
addition
to
the
lower
level
and
the
ground
floor
next
slide,
please
this
depicts
the
ground
floor
over
on
the
left
side,
the
left
hand
side
where
we
have
a
generous
dining
space,
exterior
amenities,
space
and
interior,
flexible
amenities,
space
to
provide
a
wide
range
of
activities.
Next
slide,
please
controlled
access
I'll!
E
E
So
I
think
this
is
an
important
slide
just
to
explain.
You
know
the
the
main
access
points,
the
secondary
access
points,
which
parts
of
the
sites
are
completely
secured
and
which
ones
are
supervised
and
secured
for
the
guests,
so
the
parts
indicated
in
red
are
are
fully
secured.
The
intent
there
is
to
not
have
access
there
and
generally
used
for
exiting
the
building
in
case
of
emergency.
The
areas
highlighted
in
yellow
are
the
secured
courtyards,
which
are
meant
for
the
guests
and
and
have
supervision.
E
The
red
arrows
are
the
main
active
entrances
to
the
building
number
one
is
the
main
entrance
number
two
is
the
entrance
to
the
admin
and
supportive
housing
and
number
three?
Is
the
staff
access
number
seven?
Is
your
rear,
secure
parking
and
then,
obviously
the
front
of
the
property
leading
onto
montreal
road
is
open
sort
of
wounder
style
access
to
the
site
with
parking
for
the
site,
but
additionally,
is
intended
to
feel
like
a
pedestrian
thoroughfare.
Next
slide.
Please.
E
Designing
for
privacy
was
really
intended
to
focus
all
of
the
external
balconies
and
terraces
internally
to
the
project,
rather
than
on
the
outside,
really
to
preserve
the
privacy
of
the
adjacent
properties,
but
also
to
keep
those
sorts
of
activities
within
within
the
middle
of
our
site.
Next
slide.
E
E
E
And
then,
last
but
not
least,
the
design
in
the
street
for
people.
As
you
know,
we
will
be
retaining
325
montreal
road,
the
existing
thrift
store,
but
there
is
an
intent
on
changing
some
of
the
corner
programming
to
a
coffee
shop
with
additional
family
services
located
down
below
and
the
intent
there
is
to
to
you
know,
design
the
street
for
people
and
make
it
an
inhabitable
space
for
people
to
to
congregate.
E
Just
a
quick
note:
we,
it
is
our
intent
to
keep
the
existing
artwork
that
is
in
front
of
the
thrift
store,
but,
additionally,
the
east
wall
of
the
existing
motel
will
be
rebuilt
and
will
be
a
canvas
for
a
variety
of
different
art,
visual
arts.
And
so
you
know
it's
a
large
wall,
so
we
can
have
a
variety
of
different
art
installations
there
next
slide.
E
C
C
K
D
Okay
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
it
was
the
the
updated
motion.
Thank
you.
I
believe
this
is
staff
supported.
Maybe
we
can
confirm
afterwards
here,
whereas
staff
have
the
authority
to
issue
site
plan,
approval
on
submitted
site
plan
applications
when
there
is
either
cancer
concurrence
or
approval
by
planning
committee.
Whereas,
given
the
significant
community
interest
with
respect
to
site
plan
application,
you
have
the
number
in
front
of
us
finishing
in
double
077
staff
have
returned
the
matter
before
planning
committee
as
a
report
ending
in
zero
zero.
D
A
D
Whereas
on
june,
1st
2022,
the
general
manager
of
planning
real
estate
and
economic
development
issued
a
memo
to
planning
committee,
providing
background
information
on
the
salvation
army
plan,
review
and
programming
advisory
committee
and
a
copy
of
the
agenda
and
minutes
summary
for
each
of
the
advisory
committee
meetings
and
whereas
it
should
be
appropriate
that
this
information
to
be
on
public
record,
therefore
be
resolved.
That,
with
respect
to
the
report
in
front
of
you,
that
the
general
manager
memo
dated
june
1st,
2022
and
associated
appendices
be
added
to
the
staff
report.
As
document
13.
D
D
Between
staff,
myself
and
salvation
army
on
additional
conditions,
whereas
these
conditions
need
to
be
added
to
the
existing
document
for
for
approval,
as
condition
27
through
31.
therefore
be
resolved.
That,
with
respect
to
this
report,
that
the
existing
document
4
be
replaced
with
the
enclosed
revised
document
4
to
reflect
the
conditions
of
concurrence
for
site,
plan
control
and
again
chair
I'd
love
for
when
it's.
When
you
look
at
it
again.
If
that
the
actual
conditions
could
be
added.
D
Okay,
whereas
staff
report,
the
crew,
the
one
that's
in
front
of
you-
contains
background
information
regarding
the
changes
to
the
site
plan
application
made
by
the
salvation
army
on
page
13
of
the
staff
report.
Whereas
the
salvation
army
is
through
this
document
supporting
the
site
plan.
Application
submitted
a
letter
from
photon
data
november
23
23rd
2021,
which
provides
a
breakdown
of
the
number
of
beds
through.
L
D
Therefore,
it
resolved
that
on
page
1,
13
of
the
staff
report,
the
first
paragraph
under
the
heading
site,
time
control
proposal
and
evolution,
the
following
be
added
as
a
fifth
bullet
point
on
a
number
of
beds.
In
addition
to
the
shelter
shelter
beds,
99
special
care,
60
transitional,
independent
living
90,
supportive
housing
32
for
a
total
of
211
bets.
D
Between
staff,
myself
and
the
salvation
army,
with
respect
to
driveway
access
to
moffa,
additional
buffering
and
sidewalk
conditions,
whereas
these
additional
matters
are
to
be
reflected
on
the
final
site
plan
and
landscaping.
Plan
therefore
be
resolved,
that
the
site
plan
and
landscaping
plans
submitted
by
the
applicant
shall
include
the
following.
One:
driveway:
access
to
more
file
the
gate
closest
to
the
street
to
six
meters
for
from
the
property
line.
D
D
Close
proximity
to
the
moffa
street
residential
community
to
be
restricted
to
employees
and
service
providers
only
therefore
be
resolved,
but
the
condition
of
concurrence
the
site
plan
approval
contain
the
following
condition:
one
that
the
rear
parking
lot
in
closest
proximity
to
mo
fall
street
shown
as
having
27
spaces
on
the
site
plan
is
restricted
to
use
by
employees
and
service
providers.
Only
with
the
owner
providing
signage.
Noting
the
same
nobody's
saying
sorry,.
D
Okay,
whereas
the
staff
report
in
front
of
you
contains
conditions
of
site
plan
approval
in
document
four
and
whereas
all
other
shelter
uses
uses
within
the
city
of
ottawa
have
an
ambassador
program.
Outreach
programming,
whereas
the
salvation
army
is
advised
that
they
will
be
implementing
such
program
in
front
of
in
the
form
of
a
proactive
patrol
which
will
be
run
by
the
salvation
army
to
provide
support
to
this
facility
and
should
read
clients
here
and
its
clients.
D
I
don't
think
that
this
is
the
last
one
sure,
but
I'll
read
it
if
it
has
to
be
re-clarified
as
well
as
respond
to
the
community.
Concerns
in
a
timely
fashion
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
condition
of
concurrence
the
site
plan
approval
contain
the
following
conditions
that
the
owner
shall
implement
a
proactive
patrol,
and
then
I
won't
read
the
rest,
because
that's
that's
the
section,
that's
amended,
but
it
reflects
the
intent
here,
which
is
the
proactive
patrol.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
those
are
the
eight
motions
from
council
of
fleury
that
are
being
moved
on
his
behalf
by
councillor
moffatt.
Are
there
any
other
motions
from
committee
members
all
right,
I'm
seeing
none.
So
we
will
come
back
to
the
motions
after
delegations
and
applicant
questions
and
staff
questions.
A
Application
that's
in
front
of
us
and
in
ontario
site
plan
control
is
a
planning
tool
that
a
municipality
uses
to
evaluate
certain
site
elements
such
as
walkways
parking
areas,
landscaping
or
exterior
design
on
a
parcel
of
land
where
development
is
proposed,
so
we're
not
dealing
with
zoning
today
we
are
not
dealing
with
programming
today
and
we're
also
focused
on
the
exterior
of
the
building
rather
than
the
interior
of
the
building.
So
I
would
remind
committee
members
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
we
get
to
our
delegations
and
eventually
the
the
motions
as
well.
A
So
we
are
going
to
turn
now
to
our
public
delegations.
We
have
11.
People
who
have
registered
each
person
will
have
five
minutes
to
make
a
presentation,
and
then
there
will
be
an
opportunity
for
committee
members
to
ask
questions
from
each
of
the
delegations.
The
first
three
delegations
up
will
be
colette,
saint-denis,
natalie,
natalie
carrier
from
the
vanier
bia
and
leo
laverne.
So
we'll
begin
with
collette
is
colette
with
us.
I
I
So
we
refuse
to
transfer
the
problems
of
george
street
and
booth
street
to
montreal
road.
What
you're
doing
really
is
transferring
problems
to
our
area.
There
needs
to
be
something
which
really
helps
people
to
find
a
home.
We
reject
the
salvation
army
project
and
this
should
not
be
funded
by
taxpayer
money.
We
reject
also
this
plan.
I
I
This
new
center
will
be
close
to
the
lcbo.
That's
going
to
be
a
temptation
for
homeless
people,
other
obstacles
as
well.
These
salvation
army
representatives
present
their
project
and
their
their
opinion.
They
refuse
to
listen
to
us
the
proof
of
that
the
advisory
committee
rejected
rejected
any
ideas
so
that
we
had,
they
have
been
very,
very
evasive,
they're,
not
realistic.
I
I
I
It
will
mean
that
we'll
have
to
have
more
police
officers
on
patrol
people,
are
worried
and
funny
they're
worried
for
their
kids
and
for
seniors
who
live
next
to
the
center
homeless.
People
are
people
without
a
home.
They
will
only
be
reinserted
into
society
very
slowly.
The
salvation
army
does
not
want
to
cooperate
with
us.
I
know
they
do
a
lot
of
good
in
society,
but
they
refuse
to
listen
to
us.
So
we
shouldn't
be
recreating
the
problems
of
a
downtown
novanie.
I
I
I
N
Good
morning,
committee
members,
how
are
you
I
find
myself
yet
again
before
you
to
speak
about
a
planning
project
and
this
time
I
urge
you
to
consider
that
this
project
is
far
more
has
far
more
reach
than
just
planning.
I
ask
you
to
consider
and
really
listen
to
what
will
be
shared
with
you
today,
as
leaders.
Many
of
you
will
still
be
here
in
november
and
you
will
inherit
a
yet
again
this
city
and
your
constituents
will
look
to
you
to
create
the
greatest
possible
version
of
ottawa
that
we
can
muster.
N
We
will
elect
you
again
to
help
us
prosper
and
also
to
support
those
amongst
us
who
struggle.
It
is
your
job
to
ensure
and
consider
the
best
possible
outcome
on
projects
like
this,
so
let's
discuss
planning
without
notice
or
consultation
and
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic
where
personal
and
social
space
was
at
an
all-time
prime,
the
salvation
army
shaved
without
question
or
explanation,
two
floors
off
their
building.
This
was
neither
suggested
nor
requested
by
the
stakeholders.
N
There
was
no
explanation
as
to
why,
and
despite
being
asked
several
by
several
members
of
the
advisory
committee,
no
answer
was
given
what
a
missed
opportunity.
This
was
for
these
floors
to
become
to
offer
additional
space
to
create
permanent
housing
or
solutions
for
the
social,
distancing
and
crisis
that
we
were
experiencing.
N
You
would
agree
that
the
impact
to
site
and
main
street
is
quite
different
from
an
apartment
building
to
a
hospital
or
a
building
that
operates
solely
during
office
hours
as
opposed
to
an
office,
a
building
where
there's
a
24-hour
restaurant,
despite
best
efforts,
there's
still
no
clear
definition
of
what
types
of
programming
and
services
will
be
offered
here
and
of
concerns
are
the
three
possible
gathering
outdoor
gathering
areas
at
each
extremities
of
the
building
and
in
the
central
courtyard?
Will
they
be
accessible,
24
hours?
N
N
The
bia
offers
maintenance,
beautification
and
programming,
and
there
is
a
very
high
potential
that
there
could
be
increased
stress
on
those
areas
and
yet
no
funding
coming
from
what
will
be
deemed
a
50
million
building,
and
I
assure
you
that
what
we
would
get
from
the
50
to
million
building
is
much
higher
than
what's
being
requested.
And,
finally,
the
advisory
committee
created
by
council
following
your
pre-disapproval
of
this
process
and
upheld
that
el
pat
was
never
given
the
opportunity
to
accomplish
what
it
should
have.
Despite
all
of
us
and
vanier
trying.
N
None
of
us-
and
I
maintain
not
one
stakeholder
on
this
committee
ever
felt
or
experienced
any
form
of
general
genuine
collaboration
on
the
part
of
the
salvation
army
from
the
beginning.
The
salvation
army
treated
this
as
a
box
checking
exercise
and
the
proof
is
in
the
minutes.
We
urge
you
to
read
those
minutes
and
ask
yourself
if
this
was
happening
to
your
constituents.
If
all
of
the
stakeholders
in
one
committee
agreed
on
the
failure
of
such
of
a
committee,
would
you
still
support
it?
N
Reconciliation
is
a
lot
more
than
that
land
acknowledgement
at
the
beginning
of
a
building
at
the
beginning
of
a
meeting,
and
you
are
responsible
for
that.
The
very
nature
of
this
project
is
archaic,
discriminatory
and
built
on
policies
that
have
failed
the
most
vulnerable
in
our
community
for
decades.
Whilst
there
will
always
be
a
need
for
emergency
shelters,
a
system
predicated
on
the
notion
that
this
is
the
norm
and
not
the
exception,
it's
quite
simply,
as
simply
a
system
destined
to
fail.
The
people
it
serves.
N
Vania
is
caring
and
compassionate,
and
we
already
welcome
17,
shelters,
transitional
homes,
residences
for
women
and
families
escaping
violence,
most
of
which
are
indigenous.
Then
it
already
has
a
wide
variety
of
services
of
community
and
social
services
to
serve
our
constituents,
and
we
have
asked
on
several
occasions
why
the
salvation
army
was
proposing
competitive
or
similar
services
to
those
that
already
exist,
and
we
never
got
answers
in
venue.
N
We
want
nothing
more
than
to
seize
the
opportunity
of
a
generation
to
bring
real,
meaningful,
modern,
impactful
and
long-term
benefits
to
the
most
vulnerable
people
in
our
society.
We
all
work
together
here
we
share
resources.
We
collaborate,
we
look
out
for
each
other
at
no
point
in
the
last
five
years
since
the
beginning
of
the
story,
has
the
salvation
army
tried
to
genuinely
collaborate
and
participate
with
us?
N
What
we
have
what
you
have
before
us
is
a
project
that
aims
to
repeat
the
failures
of
a
generation
past,
while
turning
a
blind
eye
to
the
concerns
and
preoccupations
of
a
community
engaged
in
bringing
forth
meaningful
support
to
the
most
vulnerable
amongst
us.
That's
not
a
planning
question.
We
understand
that,
though
you
will
likely
approve
this
building
today.
I
urge
you
to
consider
the
future
of
ottawa
the
future
of
what
this
building
can
be.
The
future.
You
will
be
re-elected
to
guide
and
help
vanya
community
and
all
future
communities
like
this.
N
K
Good
morning
good
morning,
so
we
have
a
motion
that
was
presented
that
speaks
to
a
desire
collaboration
between
salvation
army
and
the
bia.
From
your
presentation,
I
honestly
don't
know
how
collaboration
is
even
possible,
based
on
all
the
comments
you
just
said
about
the
salvation
army,
it
seems
like
you'd,
be
we.
K
No,
I'm
just
saying
it.
It
seems
as
though
you'd
be
you'd
be
negotiating
in
bad
faith.
Considering
you,
you
completely
opposed
the
salvation
army,
so
I
don't
know
how,
if
council
of
one
first
of
all
council,
doesn't
even
have
the
authority
to
tell
a
applicant
to
negotiate
with
the
bia
just
legally
and
we
just
don't.
K
How
do
you
expect
to
negotiate
because
bias
have
an
ability
to
set
a
levy
and
they
have
an
ability
to
set
a
special
levy
for
four
businesses
either
in
the
area
or
in
outside
of
the
area?
You
can
actually
have
a
member
of
your
bia
outside
of
your
zone
and
you
can
set
a
special
levy
if
the
board
so
wishes.
K
N
Thank
you
for
your
question.
Counselor,
I
would
admit
into
evidence,
as
the
case
may
be,
the
fact
that
we
have
done
nothing
but
want
to
collaborate
with
the
salvation
army
we
have
posed.
We
have
shown
up.
We
have
asked
important
questions
and
those
questions
continue
to
be
dismissed,
disregarded
or
simply
answered
in
in
terms
that
are
just
not
acceptable
to
the
community.
Will
we
work
with
the
salvation
army?
Of
course
we
will.
We
want
to
work
with
the
salvation
army.
We
want
them
to
bring
change.
N
O
N
I
advance
to
you
that.
That's
a
mistake,
that's
a
mistake.
This
is
a
big
building
that
will
have
a
big
impact
on
our
main
street,
and
yet
no
contribution
will
be
made
on
the
form
on
the
pac.
On
the
part
of
the
the
salvation
army
to
the
bia,
that's
problematic
more
problematic
than
that
is
that
the
conversation
was
had
with
the
salvation
army
and
they
actually
agreed
to
do
it.
But
city
staff
refused
to
put
it
in
the
report.
K
That's
completely
within
the
bias
purview
to
create
that
relationship,
and
it's
not
city
council's
authority
to
tell
a
bia
how
to
work
or
to
tell
a
bia
how
to
negotiate
with
an
applicant.
It's
not
the
city
council's
authority
to
tell
an
applicant
that
they
have
to
negotiate
with
the
bia.
So
the
reason
why
city
staff
would
oppose
it
is
because
it
doesn't
fit.
N
N
N
But
we
are
legally
a
board
of
the
city
of
ottawa,
so,
whilst
I
agree
with
you,
council
can't
complain.
I
can't
compel
I
do
think
the
council
does
have
a
role
or
responsibility
to
look
at
the
long-term
effects
of
a
main
street.
That
is
changing
in
many
other
aspects.
We
know
retail
is
struggling
in
those.
So
what
will
the
main
streets
look
like
in
the
future?
K
N
N
A
D
Yeah,
thank
you
chair
and
remember.
It
is
an
intent,
an
intent.
It
is
not
a
and
a
mandate
that
emotion
seeks
to
to
advance
natalie.
I
I
have
so
many
questions,
but
we've
spent
hours
on
on
this
through
the
advisory
committee
and
through
the
stakeholder
engagement,
so
I'll
spare
everyone's
time
in
going
over
those
elements
and
concerns.
D
D
We
will
hear
from
them
later
on
page
66
of
the
report.
There
is
reference
by
the
salvation
army
to
an
intent
to
public
art
or
some
form
of
public
element
of
art
relating
to
francophone
and
indigenous
reflection.
I
I
would
love
if
you
would
be
able
to
share
your
thoughts.
You've
done
a
lot
of
public
art.
You're
you've
worked
collaboratively
with
both
francophone
and
indigenous
groups,
and
I
think
it
is
important
to
hear
your
position
on
that.
N
Certainly,
thank
you
counselor.
I
love
public
art,
I'm
a
huge
advocate
of
public
art.
We
have
in
the
last
five
years
since
I've
been
at
the
bi
invested,
I
think
somewhere
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
public
art
on
our
main
street,
and
that
does
not
include
what
the
city
has
invested
as
part
of
the
montreal
road
reconstruction
project.
Public
art
is
incredibly
important
and
and
art
has
a
place
in
communities
to
both
reflect
and
and
represent
the
people
in
which
the
people
which
live
there.
N
So
you
know
ultimately,
is
it
important
to
have
art
that
represents
indigenous
communities
and
and
francophone
communities.
Of
course,
it
is
the
challenge
with
this
particular
public
art,
in
my
opinion,
is
that
a
it
sort
of
supersedes
the
normal
collaboration
that
we
have
within
the
community
of
bangki
to
put
up
public
art.
So
to
this
point,
we,
though,
we've
asked
several
questions.
N
We
have
no
idea
of
how
they're
going
to
go
about
choosing
an
artist
or
doing
any
of
those
things
they're
not
compelled,
because
it's
private
property
to
necessarily
to
necessarily
abide
by
the
normal
standards
that
exist
for
public
art.
So
that's
problematic.
The
the
the
most
problematic
as
a
francophone,
and
somebody
with
indigenous
indigenous
ancestry,
is
that
this
is
basically
they're
like
once
again
box
check
me
exercise
we're
going
to
put
up
a
francophone
mural.
Therefore,
we've
represented
francophones
we're
going
to
put
up
indigenous
art.
N
Therefore,
we've
worked
with
and
collaborated
with
indigenous
people,
it's
tokenism
at
best
and
it's
quite
frankly
insulting
the
community
didn't
ask
for
it
too.
That's
important
to
say
that
was
not
something
that
came
out
of
the
stakeholders
community,
it's
not
something
that
came
out
of
a
public
consultation.
At
no
point
did
we
say
in
order
to
represent
the
communities
you
want
to
serve.
You
need
to
put
up
a
mural
of
francophone
people
like
it's.
It's
just
silly.
A
Q
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
They
they
they
were
doing
what
they
want,
not
what
the
committee
wanted
and
that
reminds
me
of
an
old
cartoon.
I
saw
when
I
was
young
that
two
mothers
were
looking
at
the
army
and
passing
in
front
of
them
and
one
was
not
in
line
with
the
others
and
the
mother
was
there.
She
said
she
says,
look
there's
only
my
son
walking
properly
the
whole
community
said
no
to
this
project
and
please
listen
to
the
community
and
do
what
you
can
to
prevent
the
to
prevent
this
project
to
take
place.
B
B
B
B
For
a
woman's
center,
we
were
open
to
this
idea.
There
were
always
there's
always
people
that
will
be
against,
but
we
were
open
to
that
and
we
accepted.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
helps,
but
that's
what
that's,
how
I
know
the
city
of
vanier,
where
I
come
from
and
where
I've
always
lived,
we're
very
welcoming,
but
we
don't
want
to
feel
invaded
with
all
the
problems
of
society.
B
R
So,
what's
going
to
happen
in
this,
building
is
going
to
shape
the
spatial
configuration
and,
ultimately,
how
it's
expressed
in
design
form
on
the
street,
and
we
would
ask
again
how
does
this
fit
in
with
the
vanier
community,
and
certainly
it
will
have
impacts.
It
does
have
impacts
on
the
community
at
large.
But
it's
going
to
have,
I
think,
a
disproportionate
impact
on
the
indigenous
community
and,
as
everybody
knows,
vanier
is
probably
the
largest
concentration
of
indigenous
people
in
the
city
of
ottawa.
R
It's
been
somewhat
of
a
disingenuous
process
and
I
say
that
because
we
start
out
with
community
engagement
sessions,
we
actually
met
with
the
salvation
army
on
november
the
30th
as
a
coalition
we've
also
been
very
clear
in
terms
of
the
indigenous
position.
We
provided
correspondence
to
the
committee
to
the
mayor
and
council,
as
well
as
to
planning
people
with
the
city
about
the
safety
audit,
but
certainly
the
community
engagement
session
that
we
had
with
the
salvation
army.
R
But
when
the
modifications
have
been
made
and
significant
spatial
modifications,
it's
been
done
with
no
context.
It
was
just
reported
that
they
removed
the
floor.
So
we
have
no
idea
what
the
impact
of
our
comments
in
terms
of
scope
and
scale
the
type
of
programming
that's
going
to
occur
at
the
building.
R
R
Are
they
going
to
do
it
through
relationship
building
and
community
outreach,
and
are
they
prepared
to
work
with
indigenous
organizations
to
assist
in
better
serving
their
clientele,
and
I
can't
help
but
think
that
you
know
there
was
a
deliberate
marketing
decision
made
about
this
facility
to
shift
the
conversation
more
to
in
quotation
marks
supportive
housing
as
opposed
to
any
reference
to
shelter.
It's
been.
A
R
R
So
we
have
a
vested
interest
about
the
impact
on
our
tenants
that
include
women,
seniors
children,
families,
it's
definitely
going
to
have
an
impact,
and
I
would
also
I
I
know
it
was
raised
previously,
but
the
the
notion
of
a
vulnerability
and
the
safety
audit.
None
of
this
was
done
through
an
indigenous
lens
and
there's
been
no
adequate
response
from
the
salvation
army
as
to
the
impacts
on
our
community
and,
in
particular,
the
vulnerability
around
women
and
girls
seniors
and
children
specifically.
D
My
understanding
was
that
you're
also
here
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
aboriginal
coalition,
who
who
wrote
in
can
can
that
be
clarified,
because
I
do
recognize
your
leadership
role
at
gignal,
but
you
also
have
an
important
leadership
role
at
the
coalition.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
your
delegation
is
captured
in
that
spirit.
If,
if
it,
if
it
is.
R
Well,
giggle
housing
is
also
a
member
and
founding
member
of
the
ottawa
aboriginal
coalition,
which
is
a
coalition
of
indigenous
service
providers
throughout
ottawa.
But,
as
you
know,
a
concentration
of
10
or
11
of
those
indigenous
service
organizations
are
located
in
vanier
and
will
be
directly
and
indirectly
affected
by
the
scope
and
scale
and
location
of
this
proposed
facility.
D
Okay,
good
that
that's
exactly
what
I
wanted
to
understand.
I
understand
for
committee
to
hear
the
the
coalition
as
as
written
in
a
number
of
times,
I'm
coming
back.
I
want
to
come
back
to
the
report.
There
are
two
sections
that
I
would
like
to
bring
your
attention
to.
There
is
a
a
gender
and
reconciliation
or
indigenous
lens.
I
apologize
if
I
don't
have
the
appropriate
wording
and
section
of
the
report-
and
I
don't
know
if
you've
read
that
section.
R
We
know
it's
an
issue
now.
I
think,
given
again
the
amount
of
programming
and
the
clientele
that
will
be
at
this
facility,
it's
definitely
going
to
have
an
impact.
We
just
don't
know
to
what
extent,
but
I
can
honestly
say
that
it's
not
going
to
be
making
a
positive
contribution
to
the
safety
of
indigenous
seniors,
indigenous
women,
indigenous
girls
and
indigenous
children,
specifically.
D
Thank
you
thank
you
mark,
so
just
to
clarify.
So
we
have
a
staff
report
that
where
there
is
a
number
of
clauses
in
relation
to
the
indigenous
community,
what
would
you
like
to
see?
Would
you
like
for
us
to
check
for
committee
to
consider
the
removal
of
those
section?
Would
you
like
for
the
the
the
aboriginal
coalition
last
letter
to
be
reflected
in
those
sections?
What
what
could
are
you
asking
for
committee
to
direct
staff
to
conduct
its
review
of
a
a
safety
audit
with
the
indigenous
lands?
D
Okay,
I'm
taking
notes
here,
okay
and
then
just
just
in
terms
of
the
wording.
Would
you,
like
the
report
amended
those
sections
that
are
relating
to
gender
and
indigenous
considerations?
Yes,
are
you
ask
okay,
okay
and
then
the
last
point
or
last
question?
There
is
a
reference
on
page
66
relating
to
art.
I
will
read
it
because
I
know
that
it's
a
long
report
and
there's
a
number
of
sections.
D
The
response
from
the
salvation
army
is
the
following:
the
salvation
army
will
be
working
with
members
of
the
indigenous
community
to
commission
artwork
for
both
interior
and
exterior
spaces,
and
we'll
we'll
be
working
with
members
of
the
francophone
community
to
commission
artwork
for
interior
and
exteriors,
as
well
as
restore
the
existing
artwork.
The
remainder
is
not
relevant
is
what
is
the
indigenous
community's
position?
Would
you
like
us
to
give
direction
to
staff,
but
that
not
be
included
in
the
report
based
on
your
letters
and
comments
today,.
R
R
I
would
actually
go
further
and
say
it's
very
paternalistic
in
terms
of
that
type
of
response,
that's
provided
and
and
the
sense
that
that
is
somehow
accommodating
the
indigenous
community.
The
bigger
overriding
issues
in
all
of
this
is
how
does
this
fit
in
our
community
and
really,
at
the
end
of
the
day?
How
are
indigenous
clientele
at
the
salvation
army
being
best
served
by
this
organization
in
this
facility
with
the
programming
and
the
spatial
you
know,
accommodations
that
they're
making?
What
does
that
mean
to
our
community
and
to
their
indigenous
clientele.
D
R
A
Hey,
thank
you
counselor,
probably
worth
pointing
out.
There
are
no
site
plan
conditions
that
relate
directly
to
art.
There
is
a
reference
to
it
in
the
report
in
a
q,
a
section
that
summarizes
public
comments,
but
there's
no
specific
site
plan
conditions
that
relate
to
art,
counselor
mckinney
has
a
question.
S
S
I
know
we're
talking
about
site
plan
today,
but
the
the
programming
that
fits
into
these
sites
is
is
a
concern
to
me
and
it's.
It
seems
to
be
a
treatment
first
rather
than
a
housing
first,
which
is
what
the
city
is,
is
meant
to
provide
to
to
people
who
are
homeless
mark
in
terms
of
the
supportive
housing
that
is
planned
for
this
location.
R
S
S
It's
not
looking
for
other
housing
opportunities
to
house
people,
but
but
within
the
the
site
itself,
which
is
highly
concerning
to
me,
but-
and
I
can't
think
of
another
example
where
that's
been
attempted
and
where
certainly
where
it's
been
successful,
so
I'm
I'm
assuming
you
don't
you
don't
have
an
example:
either:
okay,
okay,
yeah
mark!
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
coming
out
today.
It's
always
good
to
see
you
and
hear
from
you
thanks
chair.
Thank
you.
T
S
T
T
T
T
I
must
say
it's
not
it's
not
sufficient
to
throw
in
ideas
and
suggestions
of
a
social
enterprise,
cafe
family
services,
a
food
bank
and
summer
camp
for
children
to
to
to
justify
the
creation
of
this
shelter.
This
messaging
is
causing
confusion
around
duplication
of
services
in
the
community
for
both.
T
T
Now
this
same
confusion
risks
to
be
raised
by
some
of
our
provincial
and
federal
funders.
I've
brought
it
up
brought
them
up
in
the
past,
with
our
municipal
partners
and
say
they're,
saying:
there's
no
risk,
but
provincial
and
and
federal
partners
and
funders
may
not
may
not
see
the
situation.
In
the
same
light,
the
fear
of
duplication
of
services
will
which
in
terms
may
have
an
impact
on
community
the
funding
of
community
organization
is,
is
is
real.
T
T
I
I
I
Given
that
you
know
the
fabric
of
the
community,
could
you
tell
us
whether
needs
are
already
being
met
and
whether
we
should
further
subsidize
those
organizations?
What
are
you
really
saying?
Well,
what
I
was
seeing
really
is
that
that
there
are
that
not
all
needs
are
met,
of
course,
but
most
are
we
need
to
expand.
We
need
to
develop
new
services
if
there's
a
limited
amount
of
money
available
for
a
specific
area
of
the
city.
I
A
I
I
Already
offers
the
programs
of
men
and
women
to
treat
drug
addiction
month
for
her
renaissance,
which
is
just
opposite
333
montreal
road.
They
provide
the
support
services
during
a
day
for
people
who
are
addicted,
they'll,
be
in
direct
competition
for
the
same
public
money.
I
think
one
final
question
for
you
now.
I
I
I
Now
a
smaller
facility
which
fosters
integration
which
belongs
to
the
community,
that's
really
the
approach,
which
would
be
the
right
one
and
supported
by
people
in
the
area.
This
is
what
we
need.
We
need
to
address
safety
issues,
because
if
you
feel
you
belong
to
a
community,
you
want
to
go
about
intimidating
people
who
live
there
residents.
Well,
I
understand
that,
but,
given
the
the
presentation,
we
have
211
beds,
what
additional
conditions
should
be
added
to
protect
the
community?
Is
there
something
that
you
would
propose
or
advocate
for?
I
Well,
as
the
size
really
of
the
structure?
Is
the
number
of
people
who'll
be
housed
there?
All
men
200
people
in
the
streets
at
one
time
seniors
will
be
worried,
but
all
residents
so
will
be
worried.
There
are
many
new
canadians,
they're
vulnerable,
so
really
we're
creating
risks
for
many
segments
of
our
community.
I
K
D
D
A
C
C
Ottawa
inner
city
health
intends
to
be
one
of
the
partners
providing
services
at
this
location,
specifically
the
the
area
of
the
special
care
unit,
and
so
the
the
site
plan
and
the
design
of
the
facility
are
obviously
very
important
to
us.
But
in
fairness,
we
have
had
significant
input
into
these
aspects.
So
that's
not
why
I'm
here
today.
C
C
Many
people
experiencing
homelessness,
who
are
currently
living
in
shelters
will
in
fact,
unfortunately
reside
in
this
one
or
perhaps
in
the
support
of
housing
or
perhaps
in
the
venue
community.
And
so
I
do
think
that
it
that
you
know
much
as
it's
important
to
hear
from
the
voices
of
residents
and
the
voices
of
organizations.
I
think
it's
also
really
important.
C
For
example,
the
artwork
out
front
actually
reflects
their
requests,
and
I
appreciate
that
the
reflect
request
didn't
come
from
the
bi.
I
wasn't
aware
that
was
the
correct
process,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
the
people
who
use
the
facility
also
have
the
ability
to
ask
for
things
that
are
important
to
them,
and
the
current
site
plan
reflects
their
wishes
for
a
welcoming
space
which
in
which
incorporates
trees
and
plants
and
doesn't
look
like
the
things
that
cause
fear
for
them.
C
For
many
of
our
clients,
the
site
of
large
institutions
stirs
up
negative
memories,
and
it
can
be
very
triggering.
One
of
the
comments
which
was
consistently
made
was
that
the
look
of
the
building
and
the
look
of
the
surrounding
space
doesn't
look
like
an
institution
in
people
who
described
it
as
looking
like
a
fancy,
apartment
building
or
maybe
looking
like
a
college
campus,
and
that
feels
good
for
them
the
functional
aspects
of
the
site
plan.
C
You
know
obviously
they're
important,
but
I
think
that
the
most
important
thing
is
how
it
makes
the
people
who
live
and
work
there
feel
about
themselves
and
they've
consistently
reacted
to
these
plans
in
a
very
positive
way,
and
I
really
thought
that
it
was
important
to
be
here
today
to
to
remind
you
of
that
and
to
ask
you
to
endorse
this
application.
Thanks.
D
I
think
chair,
I
will
ask
for
a
bit
of
diligence
and
and
wendy,
although
you
and
I
don't
agree
or
ski
eye
to
eye
on
this
particular
matter.
I
I
do
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
you.
I
understand
that
you
will
be
retiring
and
we
we've
worked
very
closely
over
the
last
12
years.
You've
done
a
lot
for
our
city
specifically
for
those
without
a
voice,
and
also
for
us
who
have
had
to
advance
outdated
war
on
drug
style
policies.
D
So
I
personally
want
to
thank
you
for
education
with
me,
engagement
with
the
community,
as
well
as
as
your
ongoing
fearless
advocacy
for
our
most
vulnerable
residents,
particularly
those
who
suffer
from
addiction
and
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
stated
on
record.
So
thank
you,
wendy
for
for
your
work,
thanks,
matt.
A
Q
Q
I
really
want
to
talk
about
the
wholeness
first
of
all,
they're
a
nomadic
group.
They
don't
all
come
from
vaniers.
I
heard
someone
say
in
the
early
stages
of
a
few
years
back
they
come
from
all
across
canada
and
and
they
keep
moving
across
canada.
So
you
you'd,
as
I
say,
you're
dealing
with
a
very
transient
nomadic
group
of
people,
but
the
second
an
important
thing
to
know
about
them.
I
J
Q
Q
Q
Q
A
L
The
vca
has
worked
in
good
faith
for
the
advisory
committee
to
achieve
the
best
outcome
for
the
community.
We
remain
opposed
to
the
development
application,
taking
into
consideration
the
application
inadequacy
the
scope
and
scale
of
the
project
and
the
failure
of
the
spring
control
and
programming
advisory
committee
to
generally
engage
and
listen
to
community
stakeholder,
fulfilling
its
mandate
and
draft
a
recommendation
report
programming
informed
design.
We
cannot
ignore
it.
Many
questions
remain
unanswered,
so
it's
misleading
to
argue
in
the
report
that
the
salvation
army
will
contribute
to
creating
a
15
minutes
neighborhood
in
vanier.
L
The
project
is
not
a
community
hub
and
it
does
not
provide
services.
We
currently
need
in
this
community.
The
other
concentration
of
social
services
and
vehicles
show
that
this
is
not
those
types
of
services
we
need.
We
don't
want
to
see
any
duplication
of
services
that
could
impact
well-established
community
organization.
L
During
the
community
consultation,
the
applicant
declared
that
the
32
units
are
supportive
housing
apartment
building
with
tenants.
The
applicant's
architect,
on
the
other
hand,
declared
that
it
was
not
a
residential
building
with
tenants
but
a
residential
care
facility,
which
one
is
it.
The
32
units
defined
as
transitive
housing
fail
to
comply
with
section
2.5.1
of
the
current
official
plan
by
providing
adequate
private
spaces
a
key
and
unique
amenities.
In
reality,
there
are
211
beds.
The
salvation
army
has
not
reduced
the
number
of
shelter
beds
by
25.
L
L
In
the
report
and
in
the
presentation
earlier
today,
there
was
absolutely
no
mention
of
how
space
and
services
will
be
dedicated
to
homeless
vets
when
we
asked
the
salvation
army
and
the
city
how
they
could
ensure
that
the
design
space
services
and
programming
to
indigenous
people
do
not
further
reproduce.
Colonial
practices
and
programs
are
conducive
to
the
cultural
protection
of
the
indigenous
people
served
by
the
salvation
army.
The
salvation
army
answered
that
they
will
continue
to
engage
in
consultation
with
indigenous
stakeholders
in
community
organization
as
they
seek
to
better
understand
and
support
the
indigenous
community.
L
The
salvation
army
has
never
committed
to
not
engage
in
any
religious
under
indoctrination
of
indigenous
homeless
and
clearly
does
not
have
the
expertise
to
not
perpetuate
colonial
biases
structures
and
system,
including
the
design
of
the
facility
itself.
That
does
not
include
indigenous
design,
space
and
practices.
This
is
a
very
western
design.
L
The
salvation
army
indicate
that
they
will
be
working
with
members
of
the
francophone
community
to
commission
hard
work
inside
and
outside
of
the
facility.
Francophones
do
not
want
it,
it
is
tokenism.
We
never
asked
for
it.
True.
Respect
of
our
francophone
heritage
should
have
started
with
maintaining
and
respecting
the
respecting
story.
The
full
integrity
of
the
french
quarter.
L
L
Clients
of
the
facility
will
not
be
able
to
consume
drugs
and
alcohol
on
the
premises,
including
the
courtyards
consumption
will
occur
outside
of
the
community
outside
of
the
facility
in
the
community,
and
if
this
proposal
moves
forward,
this
committee
should
ask
the
salvation
army
to
include
a
safe
injection
site
in
the
design,
evaluation
and
reports
associated
with
the
implementation
of
the
ambassador
program
should
have
been
presenting
during
the
advisory
committee.
We
know
from
the
wallace
street
experience
in
the
byward
market
that
the
applicant
sought
funding
from
businesses
and
residential
buildings.
L
L
The
failure
to
design
strong
safety
mitigation
measures
leave
women
who
have
fled
domestic
violence,
currently
living
in
a
women's
shelter
located
less
than
500
meters
from
the
purpose
facility
very
vulnerable.
They
are
very
pestified
and
the
city
is
abandoning
families
who
are
currently
homeless,
living
in
hotels
and
motels.
On
montreal
road,
the
udrp
has
not
provided
its
written
report.
The
advisory
committee
has
never
completed
its
work.
Stakeholders
never
agreed
on
terms
of
references.
L
We
know
the
major
inconsistency
among
staff
city
staff,
including
the
housing
department
and
between
the
applicant
its
own
architect.
Regarding
the
transitive
housing
proposal,
the
salvation
army
did
not
respect
his
commitment
to
include
vets
did
not
properly
engage
with
the
community,
they
are
ignoring
indigenous
people's
needs
and
culture.
This
consideration
and
others
surely
suggest
the
need
to
defer
approval
of
the
site
pen
control
process.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
I
I
I
On
the
salvation
army
project,
I'd
like
to
pick
up
on
some
of
the
things
you
said
in
your
presentation,
michelle
gervais
earlier
was
talking
about
issues
for
the
community,
especially
in
terms
of
a
risk
for
the
welfare
and
the
safety
of
people
living
around
the
center.
Could
you
perhaps
specify
to
us
so
that
the
media
and
people
watching
us
today
and
we're
all
against
the
project?
Of
course,
so
we
will
have
to
fight
against
it,
but
we
have
a
report
today
and
we
have
to.
I
I
have
to
make
sure
that
by
motion
really
captures
what
the
association
is
asking
for
I'd
like
to
understand
the
type
of
expectations
that
you
have.
If
the
project
goes
forward,
what
expectations
do
you
have
in
terms
of
protecting
the
safety
and
well-being
of
surrounding
residents,
those
living
around
the
property.
I
To
clarify
you're
asking
for
specific
measures
or
specific
recommendations
from
the
community.
Yes,
that's
exactly
it!
What
would
you
like
to
see?
Because
we
have
an
opportunity
through
our
options,
to
actually
amend
the
site
conditions
and
to
require
specific
actions?
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
properly
capturing
what
the
community
wants
on
the
conversations
we've
had
with
the
salvation
and
army
when
we
asked
for
a
safe
injection
site
on
in
the
center,
rather
they
refused
and
they
said
that
they'd
be
working
with
partners
outside
the
center.
I
I
I
I
We
shouldn't
be
creating
courtyards
and
gardens
if
you're
pushing
clientele
outside
into
the
community,
so
I
think
that
there
has
to
be
accountability,
but
there
are
tools
in
terms
of
design
which
could
facilitate
the
creation
of
new
initiatives
and
improve
security,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
security
and
safety.
I
know
that
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
I
I
These
homeless
people
will
be
able
to
come
and
go
as
they
wish
and
that's
that's
right.
It's
not
a
it's,
not
a
prison,
but
it's
also
important
to
to
say
that
creating
the
space
will
not
reduce
pressure
on
the
community.
Do
I
capture
adequately
or
accurately
what
you've
said?
Yes,
you
have
in
fact,
thank
you
very
much.
T
L
Thank
you
for
the
question,
councilman
menard.
So
since
the
very
beginning
we
we
learned
about
the
facility-
I
do
remember
in
june
2017,
so
almost
five
years
from
from
from
now
what
it
was
a
surprise,
we
never
heard
of
it.
The
salvation
army
never
approached
us,
and
then
we
discovered
throughout
the
process
that
this
was
a
project
in
the
works.
So
I
would
say
that
one
of
the
best
practices
we
could
recommend
is
engage
early
on
with
the
communities,
and
you
know
a
part
of
innovation.
L
Co-Construction
and
deliberative
governance
would
be
to
co-design
and
engage
not
only
residents
but
also
stakeholders.
There
was
a
missed
opportunity
to
engage
with,
for
instance,
an
indigenous
architect
that
could
have
designed
a
place
in
a
in
a
shape
and
form
that
would
be
more
conducive
to
indigenous
healing
processes,
and
this
is
well
known
across
canada.
Our
museum
of
heart
of
kenyan
history
was
designed
by
an
indigenous
architect
for
those
very
specific
reasons.
L
L
We
had
no
idea
what
was
going
on
and
I
think
it
is
important
that
you
don't
leave
the
community
hanging
for
two
years,
especially
after
the
community
fought
with
this
omb
and
lpad
appeal.
The
salvation
army,
even
during
the
pandemic,
should
have
continued
the
conversation
they
came
back
to
us
and
they
dumped
something
on
us
without
once
again,
truly
engaging
with
us.
L
We
didn't
find
that
the
city
was
very
helping
us
to
foster
multi-directional
dialogue
with
with
the
city,
city
councillors
and
the
salvation
army,
and
I
think
this
is
really
important
to
foster
this
type
of
collaboration.
There
could
have
been
more
co-design.
There
could
have
been
more
co-creation
of
of
the
project.
L
We
never
really
talked
about
programming.
Every
time
everything
we
were
was
referred
to,
the
site,
pen
control
when
actually
programming
informs
designs,
and
vice
versa
in
the
future.
So
if
you
know
this
committee
decides
to
move
ahead
with
this
project,
I
think
that
working
groups
with
community
stakeholders
in
the
community
should
be
implemented.
L
We
need
a
tracking
system
that
really
shows
progress
and
how
community
feedback
is
really
informing
the
development
of
the
facility,
but
also
is
informing
a
decision
on
programming.
So
it's
not
just
consulting
checkbox
and
so
forth.
How
do
we
co-create
we
co-design
a
project
that
everybody
can
be
proud
of,
so
that
would
be
my
biggest
recommendation
as
we
move
forward.
T
A
P
Thank
you
chair.
The
vanier
community,
like
other
ottawa
neighborhoods,
has
struggled
over
recent
years
with
growing
crime,
growing
mental
health
issues
accentuated
by
the
pandemic,
and
the
challenges
of
intensification,
framing
a
growing
housing
affordability
crisis,
just
to
mention
a
few
problems,
and
indeed
vanier
needs
help.
The
city's
vision,
vanier
initiative,
including
the
building
better
revitalized
neighborhoods
program,
has
been
seeking
to
address
some
of
these
together
with
neighborhood
policing.
P
None
of
these
take
into
account
the
overhang
and
expected
impacts
on
the
community
of
the
salvation
army
project
on
montreal
road
rainey's
main
street.
The
formation
of
sos
vanier,
like
s-o-s-m-four
a
generation
ago,
has
been
the
community's
response
that
response
costs
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
raised
in
the
community.
P
P
Judging
from
the
staff
report
and
the
failure
of
the
council,
direct
advisory
committee
process
has
been
discussed
earlier
to
review
the
project
in
all
its
aspects.
The
city
is
seeking
now
to
close
its
eyes
on
the
issues
of
this
project
and
move
on
leaving
the
community
to
deal
with
the
consequences,
as
indeed
the
salvation
army
itself
has
told
us
during
community
consul
consultations
that
we
must
do
with
the
police
service.
P
P
The
staff
report
records
community
comments,
including
a
detailed
review
of
the
site
plan,
control
application
by
the
vca,
for
example,
but
it
fails
to
respond
to
most
of
the
of
the
points
and
his
proposal
for
supportive
housing
component
and
and
as
counselor
mckenny
has
mentioned.
While
on
the
surface
it's
commendable,
the
salvation
army
is
proposing
a
supportive
housing
model
which
turns
what
should
be
tenants
living
in
their
own
home,
a
residential
building
with
its
own
amenity
space
into
clients
as
part
of
an
extended
shelter
totaling
more
than
200
beds.
P
There
was
a
difference
expressed
between
the
applicant
and
the
architect
even
about
what
the
architect
was
designing
here.
The
architect
noted
it
was
designed
for
clients
of
a
residential
care
facility,
evidently
not
supportive
housing
like
the
john
howard
society,
supportive
housing
project
in
vanier,
the
the
rita
thompson
house
and
full
disclosure.
I
live
a
couple
of
doors
down
from
the
rita
townsend
thompson
house
and
I
can
testify.
It's
been
a
great
success.
P
I
welcome
the
motion
to
address
the
absence
of
reference
to
provision
of
the
standard
requirements
for
housing
for
the
tenant's
own
amenity
space,
which
effectively
now
forces
vulnerable
tenants
to
share
shelter
amenities
spaces
in
the
rest
of
the
project.
This,
as
as
councillor
mckinney,
has
has
suggested,
and
it's
designed
for
shelter
use
not
for
for
tenants
of
a
supportive
housing
unit.
P
P
In
closing,
I
want
to
voice
my
support
for
councillor
fleury's
efforts
to
address
this
and
other
issues
in
in.
In
motions
which
have
been
presented
today,
committee
members,
please
do
not
close
the
door
on
this
project.
Much
work
needs
to
be
done
and
serious
consultations
finally
need
to
be
undertaken
with
the
affected
community,
including
the
indigenous
community
and
council,
has
to
ask
itself
where
the
report
is
that
it
called
for
including
the
recommendations
in
your
decisions
today.
I
hope
you
provide
staff
with
clear
direction.
Thank
you.
Missy.
A
O
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
here
today.
I
represent
sos
vanier,
a
group
of
residents
that
believes
modern,
evidence-based
solutions
to
homelessness
should
be
employed
rather
than
storing
almost
an
outdated,
ineffective
shelter
facilities
that
essentially
warehouse
them.
We
believe
some
shelter
space
is
necessary
and
those
facilities
should
be
limited
in
size
to
the
100
bed
best
practices
number.
We
believe
that
housing
first
should
be
the
highest
priority
when
looking
to
house
the
homeless,
and
we
believe
that
supported
housing
should
be
standalone
and
should
be
appropriate
sized
in
a
community.
O
As
we
all
know,
the
salvation
army's
decision
to
build
the
mega
shelter
on
traditional
main
street
and
banya
has
been
a
contentious
one.
Well,
I'm
sure
the
salvation
army
will
tell
you.
The
facility
only
has
a
limited
number
of
shelter
beds
and
that
they
will
be
offering
supported
housing.
This
is
simply
not
true.
Most
of
the
beds
in
this
facility
will
be
de
facto
shelter
beds.
They
will
have
different
names
and
take
funds
from
different
funding
envelopes,
but
they
will
essentially
be
short-term
shelter
beds.
O
The
applicant
did
not
consult
with
the
vanier
bia
or
the
bani
community
association
before
they
submitted
their
development
application.
This
was
inexcusable.
They
could
have
done
a
heads
up
or
a
pre-consultation
with
these
organizations
before
filing
the
site
plan
application
with
the
city
they
simply
chose
not
to.
As
a
result,
this
project
was
not
adjusted
to
fit
the
community
and
the
project
has
been
vigorously
opposed
by
the
community
that
will
host
it.
O
The
site
plan
review
and
program
advisory
committee
was
set
up
by
a
motion
passed
into
council
in
2017
to
engage
the
community
in
order
to
contribute
to
being
a
positive
impact
on
the
neighborhood
and
to
have
productive
and
meaningful
dialogue
to
take
place,
to
help
shape
the
site
plan
review
and
to
draft
conditions
and
programming
of
the
facilities
to
help
promote
the
city's
housing
and
homelessness
goals
and
to
lessen
any
community
impact.
The
members
of
this
committee
were
never
able
to
get
city
staff
to
enable
down
terms
of
reference
or
rules
to
govern
the
community.
O
This
made
the
committee
process
needlessly
cumbersome
in
late
2021.
Salvation
army
met
with
the
site
plan,
review
and
program
advisory
committee.
To
present
their
new
site
plan
as
soon
as
the
applicant
finished
their
presentation,
the
city
decided,
the
committee
had
fulfilled
its
mandate.
This
was
premature
and
prevented
the
committee
from
completing
any
real
work
that
was
envisioned
when
it
was
created.
We
do
not
believe
the
committee
fulfilled
its
mandate
as
it
was
not
given
the
opportunity
to
provide
feedback
and
to
negotiate
with
the
applicant
in
order
to
make
this
a
better
project.
O
As
you
all
know,
the
ward
counselor
usually
provided
is
usually
provided
with
the
opportunity
to
do
a
consultation
with
the
residents
and
then
in
collaboration
with
city
staff
staff,
negotiate
with
the
developer
to
improve
upon
the
site
plan.
In
this
case,
the
whole
process
was
so
rushed
that
it
was
almost
pointless.
The
counselor
held
a
consultation
on
may
11
and
gathered
feedback
just
in
time
for
it
to
be
included
in
the
staff
report,
but
not
in
time
for
any
meaningful
changes
to
be
made
before
things
had
to
be
finalized
sent
to
this
committee.
O
After
this,
the
counselor
is
normally
given
the
opportunity
to
pull
delegated
authority
if
they
are
not
satisfied
with
the
site
plan
that
will
appear
in
the
staff
report
and
can
ask
that
site
plan
be
reviewed
by
the
planning
committee.
In
this
case,
it
appears
that
city
staff
rejected
delegated
authority,
therefore
usurping
the
counselor's
role
in
the
process.
One
can
only
assume
that
this
is
this
is
to
bypass
the
counselor's
ability
to
hold
meaningful
discussions
with
a
developer,
to
improve
the
site
plan
and
to
speed
the
file
through
the
process.
O
Without
the
normal
scrutiny
we
and
others
submitted
our
site
plan
comments
to
both
the
site
plan,
review
and
program
advisory
committee
and
a
city
staff
handling
the
site
plan
application.
The
comments
are
thoughtful,
legitimate
concerns
about
the
site
plan
and
no
changes
are
made
to
the
site
plan
before
you
today.
As
a
result
of
these
submissions,
it
sure
seems
like
attaching
comments
to
the
staff
report,
was
just
a
way
to
check
the
box
that
said,
consultation
complete
when
common
sense
and
chest
suggestions
are
solicited
and
changes
are
not
made.
O
We
are
asking
this
committee
to
reject
the
site
plan
as
presented
today
and
give
the
ward
council
the
opportunity
to
provide
the
developer
with
meaningful
input
and
work
with
them
to
develop
a
psych
plan,
the
the
best
possible
site
plan
for
the
project.
By
allowing
a
developer
to
circumvent
the
local
counselor,
you
would
be
removing
the
leverage
they
have
in
negotiating
the
best
possible
deal
for
their
constituents.
A
H
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
I
would
just
point
out
bill.
109
has
now
taken
away
site
plan
from
city
councillors
precisely
because
oftentimes
we
we
get
into
non-site
plan
considerations
and
it
creates
a
significant
burden
on
people
who
are
trying
to
develop
things.
The
abuse
of
process
has
led
to
our
losing
control
over
a
process
that
used
to
give
us
when
we
were
working
with
it
in
the
spirit
in
which
it's
intended
small
but
important
changes,
and
I
am
very
sorry
to
have
lost
that.
H
O
We
were
looking
at
noise
mitigation
through
materials
from
the
exterior
courtyards
berms.
We
were
looking
at
things
like
landscaping
and
types
of
landscaping
to
avoid
you
know:
light
pollution,
noise,
pollution
to
the
adjacent
properties.
These
were
some
of
the
things
we
asked
to
discuss
but
were
never
discussed.
H
H
So,
with
respect
to
light
pollution,
usually
what
we
see
is
that
the
the
builders
are
required
to
adhere
to
regulations
that
prevent
the
the
spillover
of
light
onto
adjacent
properties.
So
I'm
going
to
assume
that
staff
have
done
their
homework
on
that
and
that
they
will
require
the
applicant
to
install
lighting
that
meets
with
our
requirement
that
might
not
spill
over
onto
adjacent
land
owners.
But
with
respect
to
noise.
O
Well,
I'll
just
go
back
to
your
first
issue,
the
you
do
a
udrp
panel.
One
of
the
members
suggested
that
in
the
rear
of
the
building,
where
the
staff
parking
is
rather
than
the
cars
pulling
up
to
the
backyards
of
the
neighborhood,
they
reverse
it.
So
they
actually
pulled
up
to
the
building.
So
when
they
came
and
went
at
night,
the
headlights
from
the
cars
would
not
shine
into
the
bedroom
windows
in
the
backyards
of
the
neighbors.
O
There's
a
standard
fence
around
it.
But
this
is
one
of
the
suggestions
from
the
urban
design
review
panel.
That
was,
it
was
not
incorporated
into
the
new
plan,
but
to
move
on
to
the
soundswitch
as
you
all.
As
many
of
you
know,
I
own
a
bar
with
a
large
patio
on
montreal
road,
very
close
to
this
facility,
and
we
realize
that
sound
at
night
travels
more
robustly
than
during
the
day,
because
there's
no
background
sign
and
also
the
cooler
it
is.
O
It
seems
that
sound
travels
more
in
cooler
areas
and
also
you
get
echoing
between
large
buildings
and
stuff.
So
there
was
concern
that,
with
these
exterior
courtyards
all
backing
on
single
family
homes
that
you
had
to
be
very
careful
materials,
you
use
and
how
you
dealt
with
it
in
order
to
avoid
this
echoing
and
the
sound
at
night.
O
O
Yeah,
but
you
can
do
you
can
do
design
issues
like
you
can't
have
you
can
have
trees
and
then
looking
at
the
type
of
trees
like
maybe
you
need
evergreens
so
that
you,
you
don't
have
this
problem
in
the
winter
as
well
as
the
summer,
because
you'd
lose
the
foliage
in
in
the
winter.
So
I
think
more
thought
needed
to
be
put
into
how
these
outdoor
spaces
were
designed,
and
we
didn't
get
this
opportunity
to
discuss
that.
Okay,
no.
H
And
that's,
this
is
all
useful.
All
you
know
a
fence
around
the
parking
lot
to
ensure
that
it
prevents
the
headlights
from
going
into
homes
is
something
that
I'm
very
interested
in
hearing
from
staff
about.
Is
there
so
the
is
it
the
sunken
garden
or
is
it
the
courtyard
the
the
front
courtyard
off
of
montreal
road?
That
is,
the
key
noise
concern.
The.
O
Noise,
the
primary
one
would
be
the
rear
courtyard,
because
that
is
where
you
have
single
family
homes
surrounding
it,
and
the
noise
would
be
more
of
an
issue
the
front
it
would
be
going
towards
montreal
road.
So
while
it
is
a
concern,
it's
not
as
great
a
concern
and
counselor
leaper,
there
is
a
fence
around
the
facility.
Just
just
so,
you
know:
okay,.
H
And
I
presume
it
doesn't
matter
that
those
are
single-family
homes
versus
detached
home,
semi-detached
homes
versus
triplexes.
I
just
want
to
be
careful
that
we're
not
assigning
a
level
of
privilege
to
detached
homes
that
that
other
residential
developments
are
are
not
entitled
residential.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
those
those
are
all
excellent
points
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
exploring
those
with
staff
drew.
Thank
you
thanks.
A
D
Yeah,
thank
you
chair
for
raising
there.
There
are
a
number
of
site
plan
elements
that
are
also
reflected
in.
I
guess
it's
document
document
4
elements
27
to
31,
which
were
agreed
upon,
so
it's
a
series
of
things
that
have
changed.
I
think
drew's
point
is
probably
is
much
more
around
the
type
of
engagement
and
the
timing
of
that
engagement
relating
to
site
plan
and
and
obviously,
and
obviously
would
have-
would
appreciate
more
more
constants
around
that
and
more
more
touch
points
drew.
D
I
want
to
understand
a
few
elements
and
just
looking
again
to
validate,
I
do
have
a
number
of
motions
and
directions.
So
what
is
the
most?
So
I
have
to
preface
this
because
it
is
on
record
it's
on
youtube.
It
lives
in
time.
I
remain
opposed
to
the
site,
but
because
there's
a
site
plan
in
front
of
us,
I'm
commenting
with
you
on
ways
to
make
this
site
plan
better.
D
So
I
think
it's
important
that
that
be
framed
in
that
regards
in
the
spirit
if
the
applicant
chooses
to
continue
to
proceed
and
you're
next
door,
what
are
the
main
concerns
relating
to
impacts
to
businesses
along
the
corridor
and
how?
How
do
you
propose
a
site
condition
could
be
added
to
minimize
that.
O
This
is
where
it
gets
challenging,
because
this
is
where
sort
of
programming
and
site
plan
interact
in
a
way
that
you
can't
separate
them,
because
if
we
were
looking
at
a
condo
building
way
up
next
door
or
sort
of
some
sort
of
shopping
complex,
I
wouldn't
be
talking
to
you
about
sort
of
security
issues.
We
wouldn't
talk
about.
You
know
loitering
and,
and
things
like
that,
whereas
with
this
facility
a
lot
of
their
salvation
army's
design,
efforts
have
gone
into
recognizing
that
there's
safety
issues.
O
So
in
the
same
way
they
recognize
there
are
safety
issues.
We're
concerned
about
safety
issues
on
the
street.
We're
concerned
about
noise,
where
the
bia,
I
think,
and
other
businesses
on
montreal
road
are
concerned,
that
it
will
change
the
dynamic
of
the
traffic
and
the
business
patterns,
but
from
a
siteground
perspective,
it's
tough
to
separate
like
what
could
be
done
at
the
site
in
order
to
mitigate
some
of
these
things.
I'd
say
one
of
the
most
important
thing
would
be
to
allow
for
safe
consumption
inside
the
facility.
O
D
Sorry,
I'm
trying
to
get
on
here
I
apologize
so
so
drew
I
think
you're
you're
raising
two
things
and
you
know
let
it
be
let
it
be
known.
I
think
counselor
mckenny
and
I
work
closely
with
our
bias,
and
here
we
have
a
bia
here
really
speaking.
You
know
a
very
modern
approach
to
harm
reduction,
including
safe
supply
and
conception
site
to
minimize
the
safety
impacts
in
the
neighborhood.
Thank
you
drew
for
for
for
speaking
to
that
in
terms
of
community
safety.
D
So
assuming
that
cert
those
types
of
services
are
not
there,
because
right
now,
they're,
not
I
I
I'm
giving
or
I'll
be
giving
a
direction
to
housing
staff.
If
the
applicant
we're
still
looking
for
funding
an
agreement
reflected
to
that
issue,
what
are
what
would
you
like
to
see
in
terms
of
community
safety
and
well-being
measures
is?
Is
a
neighborhood
patrol
enough?
What
does
that
look
like
like
what?
What
are
your?
What
would
you
like
to
see
there.
O
Well,
first
and
foremost,
I
think
the
city
has
to
perform
a
sep
dead
on
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
They
have
to
look
at
the
neighboring
parks.
They
have
to
look
at
the
the
neighboring
roadways
and
determine.
Is
there
adequate
lighting?
Are
there
you
know
adequate
spaces
and
are
there
safe
spaces?
O
We
then
have
to
look
at
you
know
keeping
city
parks
clean
and
safe,
because
we
do
have
a
needle
problem,
sometimes
in
beignet,
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
regular
patrols
of
park
spaces
so
that
we
don't
get
children
going
down
a
slide
and
stepping
on
a
needle.
So
I
think
we
do
need
regular
patrols
from
just
to
clean
up
potential
hazards,
and
but
we
also
need,
as
patrol
just
to
make
sure
that
their
things
are
going
well,
so
yeah.
O
D
S
O
And
I
think
the
the
problem
with
this
is
this
facility
they're
not
labeled
as
supportive
housing.
It's
les.
This
is
labeled
as
residential
care
facility,
so
it
doesn't
have
the
same
protections
as
you
would
if
you
were
building
a
residential
facility,
so
they
don't,
they
don't
have
the
same
requirements
for
amenities.
They
don't
have
a
separate
entrance.
They
don't
have
separate
facilities,
I
think
for
it
to
be
successful.
Supportive
housing
should
be
an
independent
facility.
I
look
to
shepherds
a
good
hope
facility
outside
of
the
mulford
hospital.
O
It's
42
studio
apartment
beds,
but
it's
an
independent,
it's
right
size,
it's
the
right
location
and
it's
a
great
program,
something
like
that.
That
would
be
great,
but
when
you
put
it
inside
the
same
facility
as
a
shelter
and
they
share
the
site
plan,
they
share
the
same
doors,
all
the
same
amenities.
I
think
you
sabotage
the
success
of
these
people
and
these
aren't
truly
supportive
housing.
They
don't
have
keys
and
leases
and
the
ability
to
do
what
they
want
within
their
walls.
They're.
They
really
are
it's
not
supportive
housing.
It's
residential
care.
A
C
F
C
C
Thus
it's
still
not
finished
as
its
state.
The
title
states
there
are
at
least
two
sides
to
the
story:
the
people
side
and
the
monolithic
side
both
stand
in
the
drawing
and
the
political
perimeters
in
the
drawing
it
has
29
people
residing
blending
in
as
babies,
young
middle-aged
elders,
male
female
tall,
short
sitting,
standing
walking
all
face
away
from
the
concrete
triangular
post,
rectangular,
glass,
wind,
node
boxes,
this
semi-dressed
hanging
side,
mannequin
bodies
and
fluorescent
lightings,
all
sorts
of
for
sale
signs
and
enlarged
33,
33,
montreal
road
capital,
lettered
building.
C
Weekly
free
internet
are
right,
sided
so
on
one
that
pencil
sharpener
with
timeless
wrist
watches,
it
doesn't
have
front
side
drawn
hand,
is
reaching
to
fine-tune
the
pencil
to
keep
all
the
rules
properly
drawn.
While
the
mylar
paper's
backside
drawn
pencil
holding
and
looks
like
it
could
be
either
reaching
to
be
sharpened,
to
draw
or
stuck
in
another.
C
So
the
whole
thesis
of
this
is
to
show
that
we
need
to
diversify
it
and
not
just
banya.
It
should
be
in
banya
as
well,
but
it
should
be
all
over
if
we
could
do
that.
In
my
architectural
studies,
that's
been
known
for
the
since
the
50s
that
the
conglomeration
to
one
box
is
not
good
if
you
really
want
to
bring
the
people
back
together
and
into
the
society,
otherwise,
even
with
the
fencing
and
everything
they're
going
to
be
boxed
in
caged
in
or
they'll
be
fighting
to
get
out.
A
A
We're
now
going
to
go
back
to
the
applicants
and
give
our
committee
members
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
to
the
applicant
and,
following
that
we'll
go
to
questions
for
staff,
so
counts.
Actually,
let's
give
the
clerk's
office
just
a
moment
to
bring
in
all
of
the
applicants.
They
have
quite
a
few
people
here
from
different
disciplines
who
are
available
to
answer
questions
so
I'll.
Just
give
the
let's
give
them
a
minute
here
to
get
coordinated.
H
Thank
you,
chair
I'll.
Just
you
know
very
quickly
ask
about
a
couple
of
the
considerations
that
were
raised
by
mr
dobson
with
respect
to
efforts
that
have
been
made
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
headlights
in
the
parking
lot,
as
well
as
noise
from
the
courtyard
and
its
impact
on
some
of
the
adjacent
residential
housing.
H
F
Thank
you
for
the
chair,
councillor
leeper.
We
have
on
that
perimeter
around
the
staff
parking
lot.
We
do
have
an
enhanced
fence.
I
think
it's
seven
feet
tall
and
we've
also
enhanced
the
series
of
planting
with
some
shrubs
etc.
To
help
with
blocking
that
light.
In
terms
of
noise,
our
courtyard
is
sunken.
E
Just
a
quick
clarification
on
the
perimeter
fence
that
is
generally
around
the
perimeter
of
the
site.
What
we've
done
is
we've
created
a
offset
wood,
slat
fence
so
that
you
know
no
light
can
actually
go
through
and
with
the
proposed
heights.
I
think
that
will
be
sufficient
to
to
not
have
headlights
shining
in
people's
in
people's
bedrooms
or
living
rooms.
E
In
addition
to
some
of
the
planting
that
is
suggested
along
the
back
at
the
back
edges.
There
we've
also
gone
through
just
in
terms
of
planting
we've
gone
through
the
exercise
of
of
trying
to
retain
as
many
perimeter
trees
as
possible.
In
fact,
I
think
we
think
we
retain
most
of
them
that
are
in
relatively
good
shape,
so.
E
E
E
A
S
Yeah,
just
on
the
the
notion
of
the
exterior
amenities
spaces
where
they
were
talking
about
courtyards
or
balconies
at
the
various
levels,
those
are
all
oriented
to
the
center
of
the
site.
So
if
you
remember
on
the
site
plan,
the
building
is
h-shaped,
so
all
of
those
outdoor
spaces
are
located
within
the
cavities
of
the
h,
the
interior
part.
So
that's
done
deliberately
to
minimize
sound
transmission
to
a
budding
neighbor,
certainly
on
the
east
and
west
they'd
hear
nothing,
and
so
that
that's
that
strategy,
I
think
that's
gonna,
be
quite
effective.
H
A
F
Yeah
well
thanks
sure.
Originally
the
facility
was
back
in
2017
and
18.
The
original
plan
had
that
six
story.
Then
through
will
comment
that
was
heard
from
the
community.
The
salvation
army
then
decided
to
reduce
that
by
a
floor,
and
most
recently
during
that
pause,
that
was
some
of
the
members
indicated
during
post
2018.
F
Once
the
el
pas
decision
came
back,
then
the
salvation
army
went
back
and
looked
at
the
shelter
again
and
then
through
the
pandemic
hits
and
well
they
looked
at
their
level
of
services
that
they
wanted
to
provide
at
this
facility
and
again
reduce
the
facility
by
an
additional
floor.
So
you
have
the
facility
that
you
have
now
in
front
of
you
at
four
at
four
floors.
Sorry.
F
Sure
I'll
start-
and
I
also
have
william
van
weiser
here
from
our
security
firm
that
could
add
a
bit
to
that.
So
the
ambassador
program
is
a
condition
that
we
have
on
file
that
we
will
be
implemented
at
the
new
facility.
A
pilot
program
was
implemented
at
george
street
and
I
believe
the
we
consider
that
to
be
an
effective
pilot
program,
it
will
be
implemented
at
the
new
facility
and
we're
just
to
address.
F
I
believe
something
I've
seen
in
motion
so
far
that
I
believe
will
be
redundant
because
the
current
ambassador
program
does
have
a
patrol
outside
of
the
of
the
property,
so
we're
anticipating
for
two
blocks
around
the
facility.
That
will
be
patrolling
that
and
that's
already
covered
william
anything
you'd
like
to
add
on
the
ambassador
program.
M
M
I
know
last
time
when
we
had
met
with
the
counselor
and
the
community,
there
were
questions
on
you
know.
Statistics
benefits
pros
cons,
so
we're
going
to
conduct
a
formal
review,
engaging
the
service
provider
now
engaging
the
members
of
the
public,
the
commercial
entities,
the
community
and
we're
going
to
look
at
the
various
stats
they
have,
and
apparently
they
have
a
wealth
of
stats
that
we're
going
to
review
and
come
back
with
a
full
report
on.
You
know
the
the
project
itself.
M
That
report
will
help
us
guide
how
it's
going
to
be
implemented
in
vanier.
There's
two
different
communities.
We
want
to
ensure
that
we
incorporate
the
comments
from
the
stakeholders
within
the
community
of
vanya.
We
want
to
engage
a
specific
police
in
in
that
community.
We
want
to
ensure
that
we
tailor
the
ambassador
program
to
meet
the
needs
of
of
that
community.
As
opposed
to
where
it
is
now
so,
although
the
program
will
transition
to
beignet,
it
is
going
to
be
fully
evaluated
and
it
will
be
modified
to
meet
the
requirements
with
that.
M
Yeah,
so
we're
we're.
We
are
the
security
consultant
for
the
project.
We've
worked
with
hoban
architect
and
we
looked
at
the
design
of
the
facilities.
We've
looked
at
the
septet
principles
on
the
site.
We've
helped
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
all
the
security
systems
that
are
going
to
be
incorporated
into
the
site.
The
camera
use
that
type
of
thing
and
and
on
the
side
of
that
we've
been
we've
been
asked
to
look
at
the
ambassador
program
and
to
evaluate
that
formally
outside
of
the
salvation
army.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
see
councillor
fleury's
hands
up
I'll
go
to
him,
but
I
have
one
last
question
for
the
salvation
army,
which
is
you,
I
believe,
a
copy
of
each
of
the
motions
has
been
shared
with
you.
There's
eight
motions
you've
just
flagged
number.
Seven
around
proactive
control
may
be
redundant
based
on
the
ambassador
program.
F
A
D
Well,
chair,
I've
asked
procedurally,
I
mean.
Obviously
the
emotions
that
are
on
the
floor
were
not
able
to
have
come
to
an
agreement
with
the
applicant,
so
they're
on
the
floor
today.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
using
my
time
diligently
and
and
respectfully
as
well.
So
are
you
going
to
give
space
to
the
applicant
or
do
I
properly
discuss
the
motions
once
we
go
to
questions
to
set.
A
Well,
I
think
it's
reasonable
if
the
applicant
does
have
concerns,
since
these
motions
are
are
coming
to
us.
Basically,
almost
as
the
meeting
begins
that
we
do
understand
what
the
concerns
are.
We'll
also
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
staff
about
where
they're
coming
from
and
councilor
fleury
as
the
mover.
Obviously
you
have
a
reason
for
raising
them
as
well,
so
to
make
a
full
decision.
D
Okay,
just
just
to
tie
in
what
I
was
saying
here.
These
are
not
new
motions
or
questions.
The
motions
that
you're
seeing
on
the
floor,
they're,
not
new
to
the
applicant.
The
motion
is
new,
but
the
themes
are
not
new.
We've
requested
that
countless
times
through
through
jc,
who
is
the
planner
to
the
applicant.
So
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
aspect.
We
couldn't
come
to
a
resolution,
which
is
why
it
remains
outstanding.
So
question
to
to
you,
marco.
D
F
F
D
Because
it
is
important,
so
the
motions
that
are
not
site
plan
condition
yes,
they're
new
to
the
applicant,
because
they're
warning
in
the
report
and
they're
awarding
staff
reports.
So
I'm
fine
that
you've
clarified
that.
But
it's
important
that
I'm
not
spec,
I'm
not
saying
that
you
have
seen
them
to
me:
they're
they're,
relevant
to
the
city
and
the
and
the
committee
planning
committee.
The
elements
that
are
that
I'm
referring
to
are
really
site
plan
conditions,
specific.
F
Very
good,
okay,
so
I
I
think
I'll
short
circuit
this,
because
we've
spoken
this
for
the
last
couple
weeks.
So
we
have
every
intent
to
enter
into
discussions
and
we
committed
to
that
at
your
public
meeting
that
you
hosted
counselor
with
the
bia
we'd
like
to
become
an
active
member,
we'd
like
to
sit
down
with
them
and
discuss
what
is
a
mutually
agreeable
amount
that
could
be
were
drafted
in
terms
of
fees.
D
We've
heard
today
the
in
the
coalition
of
indigenous
organizations
in
ottawa.
I
raise
a
number
of
challenges
and
questions
having
written
to
to
committee
formally
and
speaking
as
a
delegation.
One
of
those
aspects
is
or
was
the
consideration
through
the
the
safety
audit
to
include
a
indigenous
lens
unless
I'm
wrong.
I
don't
believe
that
to
have
been
completed
is
that
something
that
the
applicant
can
add
to
the
review
prior
to
seeking
final
approval.
F
So
I
I
I
think
I'll
go
back
and
kind
of
replay.
What's
happened
to
date,
the
septet
was
completed
by
william
van
weiswick
of
sdsd,
thanks
to
a
comment
and
suggestion
from
the
venue
community
association.
We
also
engaged
with
the
wise
group
and
we
had
them
complete
a
safety
audit
as
well.
We
did
receive
some
feedback
from
the
oac
on
that
wise
report
and
as
a
response
back
to
the
oac.
F
So
I'm
not
using
that
as
an
excuse,
but
as
a
reality
of
if
this
were
to
continue
or
be
done
in
the
in
the
near
future,
and
we
we
do
have
a
commitment
to
continue
as
we
proceed
through
the
design
to
make
sure
the
facility
is
designed
as
best
as
possible
to
fit
within
the
community.
We
have
every
intent
on
doing
these
more
face-to-face
community
engagements,
where
we
can
actually
have
sit-downs,
walk
sites,
walk
communities
and
try
and
continuously
improve
these
audits.
E
D
F
D
Okay,
I'll
take
it
back
to
our
committee
and
staff.
You
made
reference
to
a
successful
ambassador
program
and
I've
expressed
concern
that
I'm
not
sure
what
the
word
success
means
in
this
case.
I
I'm
also
the
local
counselor
for
where
your
site's
located
on
booth
street
and
wondering
what
would
be
indicators.
What
are
examples
that
residents
in
the
market
in
lower
town
along
ridal
street
would
see
that
would
indicate
a
successful
ambassador
program.
M
Yeah
for
sure,
so
so
counselor,
just
to
my
last
previous
note,
so
that
that
comment
that
you
made
at
our
last
meeting
was
well
received,
went
back
and
I've
asked
for
statistical
data,
that
is,
that
is
captured
by
the
service
provider.
Now,
that
is
fulfilling
the
role
of
the
ambassador
program
that
will
now
form
part
of
our
a
formal
evaluation
which
will
be
shared
with
everybody.
M
It's
talking
with
the
actual
service
provider
and
the
fact
that
they
have
a
very
strong
relationship
with
the
local
police
in
that
area,
and
it's
receiving
comments
back
from
the
police
to
say
that
the
ambassador
program
is
obviously
involves
individuals
that
are
trained
over
and
above
a
normal
guard
duty.
If
you
want
to
call
it
that,
where
they
when
receive
calls
from
the
ambassador
program
respond,
you
know
quickly,
understanding
that
that
it
it's
it's
a
it's
a
call
that
is,
is
required
and
that
they
vetted
this
this
program
through
themselves
too.
D
M
So
right
now
the
ambassador
program
involves
two
individuals
that
at
the
time
that
are
that
will
patrol
the
area
of
the
boost
center.
When
I
say
patrol
what
they
look
at
for
is
to
be
proactive
in
the
community,
they
speak
with
the
homeless
individuals.
They
speak
with
people
that
they
identify,
as
as
in
specific
need.
M
M
Well,
the
ambassador
program
is
really
is
really
defined
as
making
those
partnerships
and
engaging
with
the
communities
directly
around
the
booth
center.
So
their
goal
is
to
have
the
community
understand
what
why
they're
there,
who
they
are,
how
they
can
help
if
they
have
problems
within
their
own
establishments,
that
there's
a
resource
that
you
know
that
is
available
to
assist
in
a
specific
to
that
direct
community
of
the
booth
center.
So
that
would
be
the
same
thing
with
respect
to
vanier.
M
G
M
M
It's
it's
yes
provided
by
a
guard
company
at
this
point,
whether
that
will
be
the
format
that's
used
in
vanier
is
still
under
review
and
be
part
of
the
formal
evaluation,
but
the
the
individuals
that
are
assigned
to
the
ambassador
program
through
the
existing
guard
company
receive
additional
training
on
dealing
with
homeless,
on
identifying
concerns
of
individuals
on
how
to
provide
direction
to
the
homeless
or
to
a
person
in
need
as
to
where
they
can
get
help.
It's
it's
not
just
moving
a
problem.
It's
trying
to
address
the
issue
at
that
point.
D
D
Okay,
I'll
come
back
to
that,
I'm
curious.
I
guess
the
point
that
I'm
trying
to
make
chair
and
colleague
is
that
there
is
an
aurora
of
what
is
an
expectation
of
a
patrol
program
and,
if
you've
noticed
in
the
in
the
description
I
I
clarify
it
somewhere
I'll
speak
to
the
motion
when
it
comes
up.
I
just
wanted
to
raise
a
number
of
concerns
that
I
have
in
relation
to
the
description
of
an
existing
ambassador
program.
My
final
sets
of
questions.
D
Thank
you,
chair
for
the
diligence
on
time
here.
I
appreciate
that
for
the
flexibility
on
time
in
in
your
submission
to
the
city
and
in
your
presentation
today,
you
keep
you.
You
refer
to
the
folsom
package
of
services
that
you're
providing
at
or
planning
to
provide
at
333
montreal
road,
which
include
211
beds.
D
F
G
You're
absolutely
right,
marco
and
counselor
through
the
chair:
yes,
32,
supportive
housing
units
using
best
practices,
separate
entrance
to
that
building,
amenity
spaces
specific
to
the
support
of
housing
residents
that
are
there
the
rest
of
the
facility.
As
we
look
at
the
programs
and
services
that
we
provide
currently
as
presented,
we
have
the
emergency
shelter,
the
transitional,
independent
living
and,
of
course,
you
heard
from
wendy
muckle
earlier
around
the
special
care
unit,
and
so
those
are
the
those
are
the
areas
within
the
programs
within
the
residential
components
of
the
facility.
G
D
I
I
appreciate
your
your
your
sales
pitch
here.
I'm
asking
a
very
clear
question,
so
there's
211
beds
proposed,
I
recognize
your
identified
32
supportive
housing
beds.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
what
I'm
bringing
forward
as
to
my
colleague
is
is
reflective
of
of
of
the
my
my
the
response
to
my
question.
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
asking
you
to
break
down
the
other
services.
I'm
asking
a
simple
question:
I
recognize
there
are
32
supportive
housing
beds
which
I'm
not
debating
out
of
the.
G
That
is
correct.
Those
those
areas
do
not
have
leases
or
keys.
Their
intended
purposes
are
different
than
supportive
housing.
Although
I
will
say
it
has
always
been
and
has
been
our
intention,
we've
communicated
over
these
last
five
years.
At
some
point,
we
want
to
see
those
transition
to
be
supportive
housing,
which
is
why
the
facility
has
been
developed
in
such
a
way.
D
S
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
the
supportive
housing
that
is
being
proposed
here
kind
of
a
residential
continuum.
If
you
will
and
as
you
suggested,
the
supportive
housing
is
the
the
the
piece
that
has
a
key
to
a
unit.
However,
you
mentioned
that
it
subscribes
to
best
practices,
I'm
unsure
of
how
that
is
the
case.
Can
you
give
me
examples
of
other
supportive
housing.
E
E
We
have
some
bike
storage
available
immediately
at
the
main
entrance,
so
they
don't
have
to
track
the
the
bikes
through
the
the
facility,
but
once
you
get
down
the
hall,
there's
a
secured
access
point
into
the
supportive
housing
from
that
shared
corridor,
and
when
it's
a
shared
corridor,
it's
only
shared
between
the
supportive
housing
and
the
administration.
It
is
secured
from
the
rest
of
the
facility.
E
We
have
two
of
the
accessible
suites
located
on
the
ground
floor
and
access
to
the
elevators
to
get
up
to
the
upper
floors
on
level
two.
We
have
an
exterior
terrace,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
shared
lounge
and
we
have
the
other
studio
suites
located
there,
all
of
which
are
equipped
with
full
kitchen
bathrooms,
pull
out
couches
to
offer
a
maximum
flexibility
for
the
residents,
and
one
of
the
comments
that
came
up
originally
was
to
try
to
include
as
much
natural
light
as
possible.
S
If
I
can,
though,
I'm
very
specific,
I'm
being
very
you,
you
described
what
the
units
look
like
and
that's
fine
that
could
be
anywhere
best
practices
was
mentioned.
I
and
again
this
is
going
back
to
site
plan
because
we're
we're
at
being
asked
to
approve
a
site
that
includes
supportive
housing,
which
I
feel
very
strongly
that
supportive
housing
does
not
belong
within
a
shelter.
S
Nobody
should
live
within
a
shelter
or
attached
to
a
shelter.
So
my
question
is:
what
is
the
best
practice
that
you're,
referring
to
with
respect
to
supportive
housing
being
shared
with
an
emergency
shelter?
Just
if
you
can
give
me
an
example?
If,
if
not,
then
I
guess
that's
that's
the
answer,
but
I'm
just
not
sure
what
the
best
practices
are.
Yeah.
S
So
I'm
not
sure
that
when
we
were
talking
about
best
practice,
we
were
talking
about
the
specific
thing
you're
talking
about
right
now,
counselor,
but,
for
example,
when
we
in
terms
of
designing
the
supportive
housing
we
visited
with
several
facilities,
including
salis
clementine,
and
which
is
a
probably
one
of
the
best
models
locally
of
support
of
housing
development.
It's
not
attached
to
a
shelter,
and
this
is
not
integrated
into
a
shelter.
It's
a
very
big
site.
S
The
current
booth
center,
which
is
down
on
george
street,
is
right,
adjacent
to
probably
physically
touching
on
an
options
by
town
building
which,
which
also
has
supportive
housing
units
within
it.
So
whether
this
is
best
practice,
I
don't
know
if
I
could
speak
to
that,
but
it
certainly
is
not
unique
this.
This
is
going
on
around
a
number
of
places
and
it
takes
advantage
of
of
available
supports
there
on
site
and
it
at
the
same
time.
You
know
where
we
can
isolate
the
two
populations
pretty
well.
S
So
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
answers,
your
question,
that's
the
point
I
think
yeah
I
mean
it.
I
guess
it
does
answer
my
question.
I
I
don't
believe
it's
the
best
best
practice.
I
don't
believe
that
it
is
in
the
best
interest
of
people
who
we
are
housing
coming
out
of
shelter
to
be
housed
in
the
same
complex
as
as
as
a
large
shelter
as
a
shelter.
That's
got
it.
You
know
emergency
shelter
attached
to
it
so,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
the
responses.
Thank
you
thanks,
chair.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
I
am.
I
just
want
to
ask
a
question
because
you
know
I
just
was
sorting
through
some
of
the
emails
I'd
gotten
and
one
of
them.
I
received
an
email
from
one
of
our
staff
that
indicated
all
the
consultation
that
was
done
and
then
a
number
of
the
delegations
indicated
there
wasn't
really
consultation
or
rushed
consultation.
I
just
was
wondering
if
someone
could
just
go
through
that
with
us,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
I've
understood
what
I've
read.
F
F
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
there
still
is
more
to
come.
I
would
say
these.
Some
of
these
conversations
are
so
interesting,
like
I
just
feel
like
there's
so
much
more,
we
could
be
discussing
and
I
would
like-
and
I
feel
like
we're
talking
about
it
at
site
plan.
It's
not
getting
the
right
attention
that
it
needs,
because
these
are
really
important
conversations.
I'm
just
wondering.
C
F
I
I
mean
well,
the
salvation
army
is
100,
absolutely
committed
to
detailed
engagement
with
all
of
the
stakeholders
that
you've
heard
today
and
and
others,
so
we're
going
to
do
it,
whether
there's
a
city
mechanism
or
not.
So
we
will
establish
those
regular
links
and
we
will
work
with
all
of
those
groups,
whether
the
city,
you
know
asks
or
or
or
has
any
specific
requests
to
do
that.
C
A
Well,
counselor
corey.
I
think
it's
a
great
a
great
question,
because
there's
probably
no
single
committee
within
our
our
city
committee
structure,
that's
really
in
a
position
to
have
this
conversation,
even
our
council
alone,
isn't
in
a
position
right.
It's
it's
so
many
levels
of
government
and
organizations
about
how
we
evolve
our
approach
to
to
issues
of
housing
and
homelessness.
A
G
Chair,
if
I
can
be
helpful
to
committee
here
so
we're
at
the
end
of
a
land
use
planning
process
at
this
stage
of
a
site
plan
approval.
This
is
the
last
approval
required
before
a
building
permit
is
issued
and
what's
before,
committee
today
is
the
land
use
matters
as
it
relates
to
site
plan,
which
is
the
physical
configuration
of
the
building.
The
land
use
has
already
been
approved
by
the
ontario
land
tribunal,
which
is
which
was
el
pat.
At
the
time
they
kept
changing
the
name,
so
that
matter
is
decided.
G
Today,
any
matter
is
related
to
ongoing
relationships
between
the
city
and
the
salvation
army
and
the
provision
of
services
go
before
community
protective
services
committee
at
the
time
any
contracts
are
awarded,
and
that
occurs
over
time
and
that's
not
necessarily
every
year
it's
the
time
things
are
awarded
and
chair
lulaf
may
have
more
to
say
than
I
am
it's
not
my
area
of
expertise
but
and,
as
the
salvation
army
has
said
themselves,
they
have
a
responsibility
for
continuing
relationship
in
the
community,
which
goes
above
and
beyond
any
approvals.
The
city
may
grant.
G
Thank
you
very
much
these
these
matters
that
we're
just
discussing
right
now
will
be
being
in
front
of
community
protective
services
committee.
I
do
not
believe
at
this
point
in
time
that
there's
enough
information
for
me
to
to
comment
intelligently
on
on
on
your
questions
kathy.
Unfortunately,
once
we
get
through
this
process,
then
then
that
process
will
begin
when
it
comes
to
partnerships
and
whatnot.
I
understand
that
this
question
this.
G
This
question
may
not
pertain
to
this,
and
so
I'll
I'll
ask
the
chair
to
indulge
me
and
if
it's
and
if
you
don't,
if
you
feel
that
this
is
a
question
for
a
later
stage-
that's
fine
I'll,
be
quiet.
But
when
we
were
speaking
originally
about
this,
there
was
an
indication
from
the
salvation
army
that
there
would
be
a
prioritization
for
some
of
these
services
for
veterans,
and
I
was
wondering
if
the
salvation
army
might
be
able
to
comment
on
that.
Briefly.
G
Yes,
councillor
through
the
chair,
thank
you
for
the
question.
The
salvation
army
has
continued
relationships
with
organizations
that
support
veterans,
vets.
Canada,
continues
to
work
closely
with
veterans
and,
as
I
committed
to
you
back
several
several
a
couple
of
years
ago,
actually
I
think
it
was
speaking
specifically
about
veterans
experiencing
homelessness.
That
is
a
space
where
the
salvation
army
is
invested.
We
are
committed
to
supporting
those
that
are
struggling
with
homelessness,
no
matter
where
or
who
they
are
veterans
included,
and
there
is
a
pathway.
G
There
is
a
specific
pathway
on
how
we
support
veterans
in
the
very
best
way
with
partnerships,
as
has
been
talked
about.
We
don't
things,
we
don't
do
things
in
isolation,
we
do
it
with
partners,
and
that
is
the
very
best
way
to
do
things,
especially
as
it
relates
to
veterans
who
need
specific
supports
and
can
be
supported
in
the
in
the
very
best
way.
So
those
those
supports
are
part
of
this
process
and
part
of
the
proposed
application
and
facility.
G
A
A
G
C
G
Co-Chair
gower
for
site
plan
applications
and
other
forms
of
applications
under
the
planning
act.
Staff
have
begun
have
been
provided
with
delegated
authority.
Certain
things
certain
controversial
items
we
do,
we
can
bring
back
to
committee.
We
do
not
have
to
exercise
our
delegate
authority
like
going
I'm
probably
one
of
the
few
people
here
and
staff
that
go
back
to
2017
when
this
originally
went
to
committee
for
the
opa
in
the
zoning.
So
in
relation
it
was
controversial,
then,
obviously,
it's
controversial
still
today.
A
G
G
Q
G
The
applicant
when
they
want
to
bring
the
third
part
or
whatever
planning,
consideration
or
planning
application
forward,
they
revived
it
last
fall
to
finalize.
So
sometimes
these
things
do
take
a
while,
but
considering
the
number
of
applications,
how
controversial
they
were
and
the
involvement
of
the
olt
it
took
a
while
to
obviously
get
here.
H
Chair,
I
did
have
a
few
questions
that
pertained
to
site
plan,
so
I
was
just
wondering:
are
there
additional
site
plan
conditions
that
could
pertain
to
the
right-of-way
and
I'm
thinking
about
reginald
street
and
easements
for
the
delivery
to
the
thrift
store
to
better
achieve
the
design
guidelines
for
the
street?
For
montreal
road.
G
G
There's
as
one
of
the
considerations
and
as
part
of
the
site
plan
deliveries
will
be
from
montreal
road
and
there's
the
way
the
trucks
will
circulate
around
it's
it's
sort
of
a
you
know.
It's
a
result
of
the
configuration
of
the
site,
they've
done
truck
turning
movements
to
see
how
it
will
function
and
how
the
trucks
will
come
here.
They'll
come
around
and
down
saint
and
then
back
into
the
loading
area
over
there
and
said
the
turning
movements.
Allow
this
to
happen.
G
The
the
loading
space
along
saint
anne
will
be
designed
to
be
functional
that
way,
but
smaller
trucks.
Of
course,
you
could
come
in
off
a
bunch
of
railroad.
They
have
some
overhead
doors
there
that
will
allow
for
the
loading.
Some
loading
will
be
done,
of
course,
inside
the
building.
So
there
is
opportunity
for
smaller
trucks
to
do
that,
but
the
larger
trucks,
the
18
million
wheelers.
H
G
The
along
the
the
back
end:
yes,
the
zoning
bile
actually
sets
up
your
setback.
So
you,
the
sony,
has
already
decided
how
far
you
have
to
be
away
from
property
lines
so
they're
they
are
constructing
their
building
within
the
property
lines
within
something
that's
allowed
on
the
property.
They
do
a
noise.
We
do
noise
study
for
stationary
noise
such
as
hvac,
so
they
have
to
follow
that
and,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
the
provision
of
the
fence.
G
There
is
an
opaque
fence
around
the
property
that
will
help
with
mitigate
some
of
the
noise
and
there's
fencing
along
the
the
back.
They
believe
down
the
regional
street
or
the
the
private
way
as
well.
So
there
is
provisions
within
the
site
plan
to
look
out
after
noise
impacts.
There's
also,
I
should
say
well,
I
have
the
moment
as
councilor
lee
pearce
said
the
issues
of
lighting
from
cars,
and
it's
not.
G
I
think
it
was
brought
up
whether
the
the
parking
is
facing
one
way
or
the
other
way.
Some
people
might
choose
to
back
into
a
parking
spaces
like
I
do
or
drive
into
parking
space,
so
lights
could
be
a
you
know,
concern
at
all
times
or
for
different
ways,
but
it's
that
fencing
around
there
that
opaque
fencing
that
will
help
mitigate
the
impact
of
lighting
as
well
as
vegetation
along
there,
but
specifically
the
fencing.
That's
okay,.
H
Well,
I
appreciate
that
and
had
observed
that
during
the
course
of
deliberation
debate
here,
one
last
question
notwithstanding
calling
it
a
multi-use
building
or
a
residential
care
facility
from
a
site
planning
perspective
or
all
of
the
appropriate
elements,
such
as
visitor
parking
spaces
and
other
amenities
provided
here
appropriate
for
what
is
now
in
the
form,
ultimately
of
a
of
a
low-rise
apartment.
Building.
G
The
the
bylaw
establishes
the
requirement
for
something
like
say,
amenity
area
for
residential
care
facility.
This
is
primarily
a
residential
care
facility.
They
are
providing
that
the
percentage
on
there
they
would
not
get
a
billing
permit
unless
they
were
so
they
would.
They
would
be
providing
everything
that's
required
by
the
bylaw.
With
respect
to
those
issues
that
you
just
mentioned,
counselor
kim.
D
A
D
Sure,
thank
you
so
want
to
one
of
the
delegations.
Mr
markle
spoke
about
the
two
things.
One
was
the
incomplete
warding
in
the
report
specifically
to
the
indigenous
community
and
organizations,
requests
an
attempt
to
engagement
and
then
the
second
one
was
in
relations
to
the
request
for
an
additional
safety
audit
with
an
indigenous
lens,
and
I
wonder
if
I
could
get
staff
comment
on
our
ability
to
require
that
that
additional
element
to
the
to
the
safety
audit
prior
to
their
their
final
review.
M
G
D
D
Chair
I'm
looking
for
your
guidance.
We
have
a
very
fulsome,
a
member
that
came
as
a
delegation
on
behalf
of
the
coalition
and
made
a
request
to
us.
I'm
it's
a
surprise.
The
specifics
of
that
request
is
a
surprise
to
me,
but
I
I'm
looking
for
your
guidance
on
how
you'd
like
to
proceed
with
their
with
their
request.
G
G
But
I
do
think
it's
reasonable
for
committee
to
make
a
request
through
motion
or
direction
to
the
salvation
army,
because
the
salvation
army's
representatives
did
indicate
there's
further
follow-up
work
on
a
lot
of
their
safety
work
and
security
work
in
further
stages,
and
I
think
it's
reasonable
for
committee
to
make
a
request
to
salvation
army
to
undertake
an
indigenous
lens
in
that
further
follow-up
work.
But
I
don't
believe
it
can
be
attached
as
a
condition
of
approval.
Today.
D
Can
I
ask
just
a
clarification,
mr
lewis,
the
the
that
that
direction,
how
if
recommendations,
do
come
forward
that
would
have
zoning
or
planning
or
site
plan
incidents?
How
would
that
be?
How
would
that
be
pertinent
or
like?
How
would
your
team
capture
that,
if
not
it's
sort
of
a
a
review
that
I
question
the
purpose
of
the
review
or
question
where
the
review
would
go,
if
not
ahead
of
your
team's
final
approval.
G
So,
mr
chair,
I
you
know
not
all
things
coming
out
of
safety
audits
are
actual
physical
design
changes,
some
are
and
if
they
were
through
further
follow-up
work,
we
could
redline
the
site
plan
approval
and
do
that
through
the
delegated
authority
in
motion
one
and
then
make
further
subsequent
changes.
If
something
arises,
a
lot
of
the
times
it
comes
down
to
operational
practices
which
are
outside
of
the
scope
of
the
psychoplanet
variable
to
begin
with,
and
that's
something
the
salvation
army
has
to
take
into
their
own
consideration
their
own
operations.
D
G
D
Share
based
on
that
delegation
and
the
feedback
I
I
am,
I
would
like
to
give
a
a
further
direction
in
relations
to
a
response
by
the
salvation
army.
I
recognize
the
planner
received
a
series
of
questions
and
context
to
what
would
appear
to
be
much
more
programming
elements
to
francophone
and
indigenous
community,
and
the
response
was
much
more
site
plan
building
related,
particularly
public
art.
So
I,
based
on
the
feedback
we've
received,
I'd
like
to
present
a
direction.
An
additional
direction
relating
to
the
reference
to
public
art
by
the
applicant
is.
A
D
D
A
D
A
Absolutely
absolutely
thank
you
yeah,
okay.
Well,
so,
let's
go
to
the
first
motion
that
was
introduced.
This
is
this
was
on
wording
of
the
planning
committee
decision.
It's
on
the
screen.
Now
I
want
to
give
a
quick
opportunity
to
staff
if,
if
any
city
staff
have
comments
on
or
concerns
about
this
one
staff.
A
Okay
motion
number
two
is
adding
a
memo
with
the
task
force
terms
of
reference,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that,
with
respect
to
the
report,
the
gm's
memo
dated
june
1st
and
associated
appendices
be
added
to
the
staff
report.
As
document
13.,
this
seems
to
be
a
fairly
procedural
one.
I'm
assuming
staff
have
no
objections
to
adding
this
not
so
flurry.
D
Or
chair,
can
I
can
I
I'm
sorry
again
on
procedure.
All
these
motions
are
obviously
moved
by
a
committee
member,
as
I
am
not
on
committee,
it's
referred
to
as
counts
for
moffitt.
Is
it
possible
to
get
the
clerks
to
do
two
things,
just
to
add
that
it
is
on
my
behalf
in
the
official
end
and
reflect
the
full
motion
in
in
the
minutes?
It's
just
this.
These
types
of
documents
live
in
time
and
I've
seen
the
issue.
The
minutes,
issues
in
the
past.
K
A
C
G
D
D
Okay,
I'll
look
to
mr
willis.
Just
for
a
comment.
We've
been
going
back
and
forth
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there
were
there
were
a
number
of
them
and
that
these
are
captured
as
per
the
email,
and,
if
not,
that
he's
comfortable
that
those
staff
supported
through
email
ones
will
be
will
be
reflected.
G
A
Thank
you
steve.
I
wasn't
sure
if
that
was
on
you're
under
my
end.
Okay,
so
on
this
motion
number
three
to
revise
document
four,
can
we
go
back
up
to
the
motion
to
the
therefore
be
it
resolved
text
will
hold
that
in
front
of
us
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
this
all
right.
So
on
this
motion,
is
it
carried.
A
G
Thank
you
co-chair
gower.
This
is,
I
guess,
text
I
guess
within
the
staff
report.
It's
not
related
to
any
condition.
Specifically
I
see
christine
anta
might
also
want
to
add
in
here,
but
this
is
just
information,
and
that
I
mean
the
staff
report
is
one
thing.
It's
just
part
of
the
the
rationale
that
we
put
forward
and
not
having.
E
G
We
don't
believe
that
it
needs
to
be
included
within
the
staff
report.
This
is,
for
example,
like
a
lot
of
these
things.
Actually,
we
can't
approve
through
cycle
and
the
interior
of
the
building
and
with
respect
to
shelter,
for
example,
it's
regulated
by
800
square
meters.
So
any
number
of
these
things
could
change.
They
don't
want
to
get
also
people
thinking
that
this
might,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
be
specifically
there
so
really,
in
our
opinion,
doesn't
need
to
be
added
to
the
staff
report.
C
The
only
comment
that
I
want
to
make
from
a
legal
perspective
is
that
staff,
employees
and
agents
of
the
municipality
have
a
duty
to
provide
their
expert
opinion
to
council
and
committee
through
its
reports
under
the
municipal
act,
and
this
has
been
prepared
by
a
professional
planner,
and
the
information
that
we're
being
asked
to
contain
is
not
information
that
was
provided
by
the
professional
planner
when
he
prepared
this
report.
And
so
you
know,
although
this
matter
can't
go
before
the
tribunal.
C
Unless
the
applicant
is
the
appellant,
there
is
no
right
of
appeal
say
for
the
appellant.
It
would
be
difficult
for
legal
services
to
try
to
parse
out
which
parts
of
the
report
were
provided
as
part
of
the
expert
opinion
and
which
were
extraneous
information
provided
to
that
expert
opinion,
and
so
from
a
legal
perspective.
A
C
Yeah,
I
was
simply
going
to
ask
that
too,
in
that
some
part
part
of
this
sounds
like
you're.
We
would
be
amending
minutes.
It's
has
a
similar
thing
that
something's
already
been
said
and
that
we're
amending
not
by
the
people
that
were
there.
So
it's
a
similar
thing.
You
can't
do
in
board
minutes,
but
if
it's
this,
if
this
information
is
important,
it
seems
really
important.
Is
there
anywhere
else
that
it
could
go?
That
would
be
helpful.
C
K
K
A
K
C
D
The
salvation
army,
as
you
can
see,
has
submitted
an
official
documents
in
dev
apps
for
their
site
plan.
This
information,
as
you
can
see
by
the
presentation
today
on
page
15,
that
they
presented
to
you
it
did
include
this
breakdown.
Christine
you've
made
reference
to
this
information,
not
being
pristine
to
site
plan.
Could
you
speak
to
the
staff
section
which
highlights
a
number
of
beds
and,
if
that,
if
that
is
appropriate,
or
if
that
would
be
your
recommendation
as
legal
in
this
report,.
C
So
thank
you,
chairs.
The
salvation
army
did
submit
a
letter
from
fotan
that
formed
part
of
the
public
submissions
to
the
development
application
that
is
publicly
available,
and
they
did
include
this
information
in
this
letter
from
their
planning
consultant.
However,
the
number
of
beds
in
the
facility
is
irrelevant
to
the
to
the
site
plan
application.
C
I
can't
express
what
the
intent
was
of
the
planning
consultant
to
include
this
information.
It
was
included
and
but,
from
my
perspective,
it's
a
relevant
legally
undersight
plan
under
section
41
of
the
planning
act.
I
believe
that
chair
moffett
has
provided
an
area
where
this
information
and
narrative
can
be
provided,
because
certainly
the
salvation
army
did
provide
it,
and
that
is
in
the
ward
counselor
comments,
which
does
form
a
significant
portion
of
the
of
the
planning
report.
A
D
I
I
don't
disagree
with
legal's
question
with
legal's
point,
but
staff
did
write
a
number
in
the
staff
report.
That
does
not
show
the
full
picture
of
the
number,
so
I'm
stuck
in
a
bizarre
way.
I
I
I'm
not
asking
for
the
number
to
be
in
the
staff
report,
but
there
was
a
a
part
number
that
was
provided
on
page
13
of
the
staff
report,
which,
as
a
standalone,
does
not
live
well
with
me
and
my
community.
So
I
I
see
two
paths
we
remove.
D
A
D
So
question
to
legal,
we
can
see
on
the
screen,
there's
a
reference
to
a
specific
number
of
both
the
shelter
beds
and
the
supportive
housing
again.
Colleagues,
this
is
not
about
me,
liking,
shelter
or
me
liking
or
not
housing.
This
is
about
showing
a
partial
picture
of
the
211
beds
that
are
presented
christine.
Do
you
this?
Although
not
your
report?
Would
it
be
your
legal
advice
that
this
is
not
relevant
to
the
site
plan
and
should
not
have
been
included
in
the
report.
C
G
Jerry,
if
I
may,
what
this
section
of
the
report
is
intended
to
do-
and
mr
james
can
confirm-
is
to
describe
the
evolution
of
the
proposal,
not
the
final
state
of
the
appro
of
the
proposal.
So
it
is
not
intended
to
reflect
or
capture
the
programming
of
the
interior
of
the
building,
which
is
outside
the
scope
of
site
plan
approval.
To
begin
with,
it
is
merely
indicative
of
the
changes
made
since
the
beginning
of
the
proposal.
So
I
think
that's
the
intent
of
the
paragraph
ahead.
G
A
D
K
I
think
staff
have
summarized
this
quite
properly
and
I
think
that
the
only
number
that
matters-
and
I
think
we
as
leaders-
have
a
responsibility
to
the
community
that
has
concerns
here
to
be
to
be
truthful
and
open
and
honest
with
what
the
situation
is
and
what
the
reality
is.
And
that
is
that
the
only
matter,
the
only
number
that
matters
is
801
square
meters,
square
meters.
F
F
K
K
So
there's
really
no
point
to
further
nitpick
the
number
in
the
report,
which
is
reflective
of
the
progress
made
by
the
applicant.
If
the
applicant
comes
forward
later
on
and
changes
that
number
reduces
it
increases
it.
I
don't
disagree
that
it's
a
concern
of
the
community,
but
it's
not
a
concern
that
we
can
address
and
I
don't
think
we
should
suggest
otherwise.
A
G
G
C
G
Thank
you
again,
co-chair
gower
parking
is
is
dictated
by
the
zoni
bylaw.
It
has
to
be
a
certain
size
located
on
the
site
and
sometimes
there's
there's
buffers
around
it
like
in
this
case,
but
saying
whether
or
not
what
one,
what
parking
will
be
employee
parking?
Is
it's
not
in
the
purview
of
the
city
to
decide
it's
up
to
the
applicant
and
you
know
their
daily
needs
and
where
it
will
be.
G
So
we
do
not
support
this
proposal
to
have
just
the
employees
restricted
to
the
back.
It
might
end
up
being
that
way,
but
it's
certainly
not
something
we
can
support
as
being
a
requirement,
I
don't
think,
and
since
it's
dictated
by
the
zoning
by
law,
I
don't
know
really.
If
we
have
the
ability
to
do
so
anyway,.
D
Yeah,
I'm
I
mean
I
not
sure
if
the
applicant
is
in
or
if
they're
their
planner
is
in,
but
I
believe
they've
made
again
the
public
commitment
that
this
space
was
going
to
be
for
staff
and
clients,
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
that
that
is
captured
in
the
conditions.
It
is
not
a
problem
for
me.
It
is
a
future
problem
to
the
community
and
the
local
council
at
the
time.
This.
This
really
states
out
the
intent
of
those
spaces,
as
mofa
is
very
residential,
you're,
not
off
of
the
main
street.
D
H
H
G
Here's
just
to
be
helpful.
I
mean
if
this
is
the
will
of
committee,
and
if
the
applicant
agrees,
we
can
embed
it
in
the
notes
to
the
approval
rather
than
the
conditions
as
the
applicant
acknowledges
that
the
intent
of
the
27
spaces
is
for
this
purpose.
But
that's
if
the
applicant
agrees,
as
mr
james
indicated,
we
have
no
legal
authority
to
require
this
and
we
would
have
likely
no
ability
to
enforce
this.
A
D
A
G
A
F
F
A
G
A
K
G
Thank
you
again,
co-chair
gower,
it's
on
mr
willis
there,
but
this
this
is
actually
it's
not
something
that,
in
our
opinion,
should
be
part
of
a
site
and
control
application
or
any
condition
within
there
again
as
brought
up
earlier.
It's
it's
not
enforceable,
and
it's
it's
really
outside
the
preview,
with
section
41
of
the
planning
act,
so
we
recommend
that
it
not
become
a
condition
within
the
cycling
control
agreement.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
I
believe
it's
also
tackled
under
a
direction
that
we'll
see
very
shortly
chair.
G
A
D
Sure
I
I
I
hope
that
you
bring
some
flexibility
and
understanding
that
we
have
a
an
intent
by
an
applicant
I'm
trying
to
reflect
that
intent
beyond
words
spoken
on
a
youtube
link
and
may
bring
this
to
official
record
I
if
it
is
if
it
is
to
fulfill
in
the
same
way
that
is
described
in
the
previous
motion.
I'm
fine
with
that.
A
G
J
H
Chair,
I
just
want
to
say
I
have
some
sympathy
for
what
counselor
fleury
is
trying
to
do,
even
though
this
is
a
sight
plan
decision
today.
This
is
the
last
time
anything
relating
to
the
salvation
army
will
be
before
us
and
he's
trying
to
ensure
that
commitments
that
have
been
made
not
directly
related
to
site
plan
get
enshrined,
and
so
I
would
be
doing
exactly
the
same
thing.
H
G
Sure,
council
blacknington
is
correct
and
I
have
a
suggestion
for
committee.
If
this
is
committee's
will
I
would
reframe
this
direct
changes
to
a
direction
to
me
in
my
economic
development
portfolio
hat
to
write
a
letter,
as
we
are
doing
already
related
to
one
other
condition
requesting
that
the
salvation
army
enter
into
negotiations
with
the
bia.
G
H
A
A
C
D
D
Okay,
so
this
one
here,
whereas
staff
report,
that's
in
front
of
you-
contains
a
document
representing
the
public
consultation
comments,
staff
response
to
such
comments,
and
whereas
there
is
a
comment
included
at
page
66
of
the
staff
report
at
bullet
6
as
follow
given
the
diversity
of
residents,
it
will
be
important
for
the
site
to
feature
native
art.
The
area
previously
labeled
as
a
chapel
needs
to
be
neutral
and
confessional
in
nature
without
solely
christian,
some
symbol.
D
I'd
like
to
provide
a
direction
to
staff
that
the
site
plan
condition
not
include
any
reference
or
sp
or
requirement
for
public
art
representing
or
reflecting
the
indigenous
or
francophone
community.
With
respect
to
this
development,
this
is
entirely
based
on
staff
report,
not
on
you
know.
If,
if
the
salvation
army
discusses
and
there's
art
and
discussion,
that's
separate,
it's
really
relating.
K
A
G
Yes,
please
do
there
is
nothing
in
the
staff
report,
nothing
in
the
conditions
of
approval,
nothing
in
the
notes
to
approval
today
that
says
any
requirement
related
to
the
nature
of
the
public
art
it.
Neither
it
neither
directs
it
to
be
indigenous
nor
francophone.
So
the
situation
today
is
there
is
nothing
in
the
approval
documents,
nor
is
the
intent
to
add
anything
that
would
do
this.
G
So
my
recommendation
is
that
the
counselor
write
the
salvation
army
and
ask
to
rethink
their
approach
to
public
art
and
have
further
consultations
with
the
community
on
that,
and
I
recommend
that's.
I
recommend
that
in
good
faith
to
the
counselor
that
the
concerns
are
heard,
but
there
is
nothing
in
our
approval
that
would
require
this.
So
therefore,
no
direction
is
required.
D
So
so
I
want
to
understand
and
clarify.
So
if
we
want
to
signify
and
ensure
that
from
the
city's
review
and
approval
point
of
view,
we
are
only
reflecting
the
response
from
an
applicant
and
not
taking
a
position
how's
that
you're
you're
in
the
belief
that
it's
for
me
to
write
to
them.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
the
relationship
is
equal
or
fair
in
that
regard.
So
I
wonder,
I
wonder
if
there's
not
a
better
agent
to
reflect
the
community
spirit
relating
to
that
to
this
matter.
A
Counselor,
I
think
that
can
be
your
role
as
a
community
counselor
to
make
it
clear
what
the
community
will
and
and
what
has
been
committed
here
and
said
by
salvation
army
and
others,
but
the
interior
art,
even
the
exterior
art
of
the
building,
is
not
part
of
the
site
playing
control.
So
I
think
it's
completely
reasonable
that
you
could
raise
that
on
behalf
of
your
community
in
writing,
publish
it
on
your
website
and
any
other
means
that
you
need
to.
D
D
G
K
Just
one
not
to
believe
her,
this
point,
but
just
one
one
last
comment:
just
for
thoughtful
consideration:
ten
years
from
now
someone
donates
indigenous
art
to
the
salvation
army,
the
salvation
army
says
no.
We
can't
hang
that
because
counselor
matthew
fleury
said
we
couldn't
consider
that
I
I
I
get
where
your
community
has
concerns
about
this.
They
feel
it's
misrepresentation
just
consider
where
this
goes,
because
I
don't
think
it's
what
the
city
wants.
I
don't
think
it's
the
look
for
the
city
and
I
don't
think
it's
the
look
that
you
want
in
the
future.
D
So
so
I
guess
my
my
comment
to
that
would
be
that
there
is
nothing
legally
stopping
the
salvation
army
or
any
donor
from
engaging
with
an
artist,
no
matter
which
group
they
come
from.
But
I've
heard
clearly
from
two
groups
that
are
very
important
in
my
community,
one
of
which
I
represent
that
they
don't
want
to
be
affiliated
with
the
intent
of
being
represented
on
as
an
intent.
D
I
think
it
is
important
for
the
for
a
record
that
this
live,
that
the
communities
that
are
reflected
in
that
direction
are
are
asking
not
to
be
affiliated
as
a
community
now,
if,
if
an
artist
of
those
communities
chooses
to
engage
or
if
art
is
bought
from
that
community,
that's
that's
not
what
I'm
trying
to
say.
I'm
saying
going
out
of
the
way
to
make
a
description
of
representing
those
communities
in
a
call
for
proposal
for
any
any
artwork.
G
Chair,
if
I
may,
this
is
a
very
slippery
slope.
I
do
not
believe
the
city
of
ottawa,
as
a
municipal
government,
has
the
power
under
the
under
the
planning
act
under
any
provincial
legislation,
even
under
the
charter
of
rights
and
freedoms
which
govern
freedom
of
expression
by
private
individuals
and
organizations
to
dictate
what
a
private
body
will
or
will
not
do
on
their
own
property
with
related
to
art,
I
believe,
and
I'm
very
sympathetic
to
the
concerns
of
the
community
to
raise
with
the
history
of
this
file.
A
C
Mr
chair,
when
a
direction
is
put
forward,
that
does
not
have
the
unanimous
consent
of
the
committee,
it
would
have
to
be
moved
as
a
motion
and,
as
there
is
no
he's,
not
a
member
of
the
committee
and
there's
no
mover
for
said
motion,
it
did
not
proceed
on
that
basis.
We
do
have
the
flexibility
in
the
minutes
to
add
a
little
bit
more
narrative
to
indicate
that
the
counselor
sought
to
propose
a
direction,
and
it
was
not
accepted
by
the
committee.
T
Chair
just
to
just
to
solve
this
or
get
through
this,
I'm
happy
to
move
it
and
and
and
withdraw
it
if
that
helps
to
to
get
it
on
the
record,
I
think
that's
all
kester
flurry
is
looking
for
at
this
point
and
that's
a
reasonable
ask.
So
if
that
helps
in
any
way,
I'm
happy
to
to
move
what
counselor
fleur
is
asking
for.
A
C
A
D
Oh
yes,
so
this
is,
this
is
in
relation
to
a
direction
to
housing
staff.
So
I'll
read
it
so
number
one
that
housing
staff
be
directed
in
the
event
of
a
future
funding
agreement,
request
for
emergency
and
transitional
supportive
housing
services
between
the
city
of
ottawa
and
the
salvation
army
at
333
montreal
road
to
negotiate
a
contract
with
the
salvation
army
that
pursues
the
following
best
practices
relating
to
community
safety
and
well-being.
D
H
H
D
Could
I
ask
for
a
question
I
I
know
the
previous
motion
that
was
brought
forward
on
the
patrol
program
was,
I
can't
remember
if
it
was
procedurally
received,
for
I
think
it
was.
It
was
not
advanced,
but
I
I
do
want
to
reflect
that.
There
had
been
changes
to
that
motion
since
it
had
been
presented.
So
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
word
clients
and
community
well-being
are
reflected
in
the
minutes
of
that
motion
if
it
has
to
be
represented
with
the
same
outcome.
I'm
fine,
but
there
had
been.
D
G
H
Thanks,
you
know,
I
think
we'd
all
be
more
comfortable.
Speaking
for
my
sorry
speaking
for
myself,
I
would
be
more
comfortable
as
this
we're
going
to
move
ahead
to
city
council
to
give
us
a
bit
more
time
to
to
contemplate
its
its
repercussions
but
I'll
leave
it
there
and
take
a
five
minute
break.
Thank
you.
A
A
G
A
direction
election
should
go
the
other
way
around.
If
this
is
in
motion.
This
motion
is
out
of
bounds
for
planning
committee,
because
it's
under
the
purview
of
community
protective
services
committee
and
would
not
be
in
order
today
if
this
is
a
direction
to
staff
as
a
follow-up
item
to
the
planning
approval
that
in
working
on
future
agreements,
that
then
would
go
before
community
and
protective
services
committee
for
approval
a
direction
would,
according
to
in
review
by
several
staff,
including
legal.
G
That
would
be
within
committee's
purview
to
to
request
that
as
a
follow-up
item.
Knowing
that
the
matter
would
end
up
before
the
appropriate
committee
when
it's
finalized
and
entrenched-
and
I
I'll
I
will
leave
it
to
mr
sciatt-
to
comment
on
any
specifics
related
to
the
merits
of
the
direction
if
it's
a
directions
proceeding.
But
we
staff
advise
against
this
being
emotion.
A
A
A
D
B
D
A
I
believe
we
already-
it
was
already
accepted
by
staff,
which
is
normal,
formal
wording
behind
it.
So
now
we
can
go
to
wrap
up
if
there's
any
committee
members
to
wrap
up
after
this
long
procedural
discussion.
Oh
actually,
I
see
a
hand
up
from
doug
doug
you're
not
allowed
to
rap.
I
know
it's
your
last
committee
meeting,
but
no.
G
G
J
A
A
This
is
a
facility,
that's
needed
in
our
city.
I
think
we
all
wish
it
wasn't,
maybe
someday
it
won't
be,
but
it
is
now.
It
also
is
a
facility
that
will
have
an
impact
on
the
community
wherever
it
is
located.
If
it
was
not
in
vanier,
it
would
have
impact
somewhere
else,
and
I
wanted
to
thank
the
salvation
army
and
city
staff
and
all
of
the
stakeholders
who
we've
heard
from
today
and
counselor
fleury.
A
This
has
been
a
five-year
site
plan
process
and
I
think
everyone
has
worked
in
some
way
to
contribute
to
an
improvement
of
what
was
originally
submitted
five
years
ago.
There
are
still
going
to
be
impacts,
but
I
think
there's
a
number
of
measures
that
have
been
arrived
at
and
that
we've
in
fact,
amended
and
added
today
that
will
further
minimize
the
impact
and
allow
this
facility
to
help
the
community
at
the
highest
level
and
and
be
a
positive
impact
in
reducing
homelessness
and
helping
people
find
secure,
affordable
housing.
B
B
D
D
They
require
provincial
and
federal
funds,
so
our
our
newly
reelected,
mpp
and
and
the
current
mp
who's
also
a
senior
cabinet
minister,
are
all
on
board
to
continue
to
oppose
the
project.
So
we
will
continue
to
do
that
and
we'll
work
with
the
new
new
ministers
provincially
to
continue
to
oppose
it.
You
know
in
ottawa
we
could
we
can
close
shelters
by
attrition.
D
We
just
need
to
fund
the
dollar
towards
new
housing
and
be
aggressive
towards
that.
If
you,
if
you're
interested
in
seeing
a
perspective
on,
I
invite
you
to
reach
out
anytime
and
invite
you
to
see
my
ted
talk
on
that
which
I
did
in
in
2019
in
october,
and
I
invite
you
as
well
to
to
read
my
comments.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
counselor,
okay,
so
we're
gonna
take
a
vote
on
this,
so
we
have
a
recorded
vote
for
clarity,
so
this
is
on
the
report.
Recommendations
for
the
site
plan
control
at
325,
327
and
333
montreal
road,
334,
multifar
street
and
273
saint
ann
avenue,
as
amended
by
the
multiple
motions
that
we
considered
earlier.
R
Q
H
A
T
A
And
I
referenced
it
earlier,
but
before
we
wrap
up,
I
would
like
to
say
a
sincere
thank
you
to
doug
james
for
all
of
his
work
on
this
file
and
all
of
his
contributions
to
our
city
he's
one
of
our
senior
planners,
and
this
is
his
last
meeting
before
retirement.
In
fact,
he
stuck
around
a
little
bit
longer
than
he
should
have,
or
had
to
to
be
a
part
of
this
meeting
today.
So
thank
you,
doug
and
best
of
luck
with
whatever's.
Next
for
you
thank
you.