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B
A
B
And
economic
others,
including
several
key
aspects
in
the
Official
Plan
2017
data,
show
important
trend
that
support
the
both
measured
passes
in
the
opiate.
This
presentation,
the
color
population,
projection
strata,
housing,
starts
intensification
rate,
employment
and
index
of
commercial
services.
Event
registrations.
B
B
Have
you
continues
to
increase
huzi
start
to
at
36.5%
in
2017,
the
City
of
Ottawa
has
a
good
mix
of
new
types
with
apartment
units
leading
today
single
attached
units
got
to
29%
show
into
the
second
low,
disclosing
type
in
2017
a
39.
The
sign
intensification
showed
is
achieved.
The
Opie's
five-year
intensification
target
is
to
average
out
the
peaks
in
the
depth,
and
the
2017
intensification
show
appears
to
be
a
debt.
The
2017
shared
is
lower
than
the
80s
by
identification
hunted.
B
A
20%
growth
for
years
in
minima
target
pay
compared
residents
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
is
0.6%,
where
the
unemployment
rate
decreased
0.7%
to
sit
at
5.6
percent
based
on
feedback
from
last
year
and
separated
out
the
gunman
and
now
receptor
into
two
sectors
in
2017
Bernard
sector
had
the
largest
number
of
employed
residents
for
a
second
time.
This
year,
the
index
of
commercial
services,
oil
transistor,
she
was
included
in
the
area.
This
is
a
measurement
of
commercial
services
that
are
within
walking
distance
between
the
stations
and
masters
report.
B
Well
in
317,
the
side,
population,
tracking
list,
AP
productions,
inclusive
in
both
visitors
and
a
decrease
in
unemployment
rate,
and
these
imposing
sorts
with
the
balance
of
military
and
that
most
earns
communication
through
the
station
areas,
but
are
the
AP,
is
succeeding
in
its
great
management
approach.
Thank
you.
B
A
And
thanks
to
a
presentation,
I'll
probably
be
following
up
with
some
more
specific
stats.
One
question
for
you
is
immigration
as
scenarios,
do
you
track
what
components
of
our
growth
is
as
a
result
of
immigration
and
whether
or
not
we're
tracking
two
projections,
because
I
think
it
does
have
implications
for
housing
types,
for
instance
along
those
lines.
A
So
latin
jerry
chalk,
integration
in
the
back
of
the
record
through
our
tables
tables
four
and
five
specifically,
and
these
migration
tables
always
lie
about
a
year,
so
the
reporter
kono
17,
but
the
migration
data
delay.
This
is
2016
and
it
shows
in
2016,
there's
actually
quite
a
jump
in
the
net
migration
overall
in
terms
of
projection
components,
though,
what
we
do
for
the
projections
are
their
migration.
Is
it's
held
constant
or
go
over
the
production
period
and
that's
consistent
with
status.
A
Canada's
approach
for
migration,
however,
changes
significantly
to
the
migration
may
require
us
to
change
our.
How
we
help
hold
our
cost
level,
either
higher
load,
depending
on
significant
changes
in
migration.
So
in
the
next
LP
reviewed
in
the
New
York
objections
in
the
new
projection
model,
we'll
have
to
take
a
closer
look
at
migration
rates
and
see
whether
we
want
to
change
our
assumptions
for
a
constant
migration
or
about
production
period.
But
right
now
it's
it's
tracking.
To
about
what
you
thought
immigration
would
be.
A
That
is
correct,
except,
as
I
said
last
year
appears
we
appear
to
have
the
high
migration
and
that's
sort
of
in
line
with
the
federal
government's
approach
to
increasing
migration
over
the
years.
If
that's
trend
continues,
we
would
have
to
revise
our
projections
to
follow
suit
with
a
dental
program.
If
I
recall
the
last
time
I
looked
at
scan
has
high
medium
and
low
growth
scenarios
for
immigration
to
Canada
writ
large
I.
Don't
look
to
get
into
a
more
granular
geography
than
that.
A
You
have
the
option,
I
guess
of
moving
to
use
that
scans
higher
growth
projections,
if
we
need
to
change
them
so
that
their
high,
the
medium
low
and
high
growth
projections
is
not
just.
Migration
is
also
births
and
death
rates
as
well.
So
the
high
scenarios
high
both
slow
deaths,
high
migration,
for
example-
and
those
are
the
main
components
you're
correct.
We
do
have
options
to
sort
of
align
ourselves
with
that,
but
the
national
rates
filter
down
to
the
to
a
City
rate
is.
Is
it
look
at
the
function?
A
A
A
We
don't
ask
them
the
question.
I
just
want
to
find
out
the
intensification
level.
Are
we
meeting
our
targets
in
all
three-year
section,
River
City,
so
that
I'm
sure
table
13
identifies
a
residential
intensification
by
each
word
in
terms
of
the
word
system
versus
the
Opie
targets?
It's
not
always
one
for
one,
because
the
Official
Plan
looks
to
have
intensification
which,
by
definition,
is
the
urban
area
less
than
usual
areas.
The
word
system.
A
We
have
everything
inside
the
green
belts
outside
the
green
belts
and
the
rule,
meaning
that
those
are
those
words
outside
the
green
belts.
Part
of
them
would
be
considered,
intensification
and
part
of
the
middle,
so
degree
field,
so
the
word
system
in
LP
targets
aren't
necessarily
compatible,
but
overall
we're
seeing
similar
trends
in
terms
of
how
the
intensification
of
Plano
by
word
versus
our
targets
in
the
Official
Plan
for
intensification.
A
Why
would
you
not
consider
intensification
on
green
field,
development
manager
by
definition,
intensification
will
occur
within
the
built-up
and
that's
why
a
Greenfield
would
be
Greenfield
na
intensification.
I
understand
that
you
know
when
the
old
P
was
a
couple
years
ago.
The
intensification
target
did
change
for
the
greenfield
development
area.
They're,
not
enough
agree,
so
the
Velma,
you
might
be
thinking
with
the
densities
within
agree
there
is
that
that
is
it
separate.
A
B
A
Louis,
you
have
a
comment.
Madam
chair
I
can
just
supplement
what
mr.
Cruz
just
said.
We,
the
councilors
question,
comes
out
the
issue
of.
Are
we
building
in
Greenfield
areas
more
compact
than
we
used
to
and
through
our
building
better
suburban
neighborhoods
projects?
We
definitely
are
having
a
Highland
util,
a
lower
than
utilization
higher
densities
and
suburban
developments
and
we're
tracking
that
separately,
but
we
don't
have
the
tracking
in
the
form
of
the
councillor
I,
think
it's
asking
for,
but
it's
something
we're
looking
at
in
the
next
official
appointment.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
You
and
I
noticed
actually
a
mr.
Ross
that
the
boss
arcane
report
today
we're
in
counselor
acuity.
This
will
be
important
to
you,
but
remember
we
were
talking
about
when
we
first
started
working
on
BBS
s.
You
know
this
Kelso
contra
that
the
densities
were
approaching.
50
percent
in
and
it's
37
point
something
which
I
was
pleased
to
see
that
anything
else
would
thanks
very
much
for
coming
in
MEMS
waiting.
B
B
The
one
in
Elsa
straight
did
anyone
contact
calcifying,
the
consumer
II
contact
justjust,
that
is
a
purse,
know
that
they're
on
112,
Nelson
Street,
so
Angela
crane
is
with
us
the
Dutch
James
again
we
have
Matthew
mikela
got
from
Fulton
without
having
a
presentation,
but
we
do
have
which
business
such
as
a
Stan.
Are
you
the
only
one
with
questions?
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
Don't
have
the
specific
number
in
front
of
you,
but
I
can
tell
you
when
we
looked
at
the
as
of
right,
doning
and
the
maximum
PFA
that
would
have
been
permitted
compared
to
the
proposed
development
in
the
gross
floor
area.
The
value
uplift
was
somewhere
in
the
range
of
just
over
1.8
million.
A
Then
when
you
break
that
down
in
terms
of
discussion,
it's
important
to
look
at
a
couple
of
things
from
the
drawdown
perspective,
the
two
main
drivers
from
the
drawdown
perspective,
one
was
the
existing
zoning
light
industrial
zone
permitted
only
up
to
three
storeys
and
uncertain
for
the
size
restrictions
on
the
property.
In
view
of
our
policy
context,
that
was
seen
as
zoning
that
wasn't
quite
matching
what
would
have
been
reflective
of
as
a
great
zoning
from
the
policy
perspective,
so
that
contributes
as
a
drawdown
factor.
A
Secondly,
looking
at
the
industrial
zoning
that
was
in
place
was
very
much
reflective
of
the
old
warehouse
building
that
was
on
the
site
and
we
look
at
the
area
context,
which
is
largely
a
stable
residential
neighborhood
in
close
proximity
to
Rideau
and
King
Edward.
Changing
from
an
industrial
use
which
had
a
list
of
uses
that
arguably
were
not
very
compatible
with
in
a
residential
context
and
rezoning
to
a
residential
zone
was
also
a
significant
drawdown.
That
was
the
basis
from
the
drawdown
perspective.
A
From
the
section
37
perspective,
the
main
remaining
thing
that
came
up
was
affordable,
as
well
as
a
monetary
contribution,
and,
as
you
see
in
the
report,
we
negotiate
it
to
land
on
$300,000
contribution
towards
community
improvements
by
way
of
traffic
calming
or
contributions
towards
public
spaces
or
parks,
and
10%
of
the
development
would
be
affordable,
housing
units,
the
other
two
items
that
you
see
in
the
list
there,
the
smack
parks
in
front
of
the
site,
as
well
as
the
three-bedroom
units
in
mind.
You
aren't
really
counting
towards.
A
As
much
of
the
contribution
that
we're
using
the
section
37
agreement
as
a
vehicle
to
ensure
that
that
happens,
versus
trying
to
renegotiate
its
site
plan
so
as
an
overall
basic,
that
was
the
framework
from
what
we
would
work
with
from
a
drawdown
perspective.
So
let's
say
what
did
the
final
number
land
on
them
for
the
cash
value
of
section
37?
It
was
the
$300,000
and
then
the
10%
of
the
development
being
affordable
housing
units,
so
those
affordable,
housing
units,
I
guess,
come
out
to
1.5
million
plus
the
sorry
about
missing
one
there's
1.8
million.
A
You
draw
that
down
by
1.5
million
to
get
to
300,000
for
those
improvements.
It's
a
significant
Jardel
and
a
lot
of
that
seems
to
be
associated
with
changing
the
zoning
from
something
that
the
property
owner
didn't
want
to
something
the
property
owner
wanted
like
it
was
very
much
to
their
benefit
to
see
it
rezone
from
industrial
to
residential.
Why
is
that?
Why
is
that
a
drawdown
when
the
beneficiary
is
largely
the
the
developer
themselves,
in
accordance
with
the
section
37
guidelines?
A
Madam
chair,
where
you
have
zoning
that
is
not
directly
consistent
with
the
Official
Plan
designation,
in
this
case
the
general
urban
area
and
an
area
that's
predominantly
residential,
whether
the
developer
wants
to
do
it
or
not
through
the
eyes
of
the
policy
context.
That's
looked
at
as
a
drawdown
because
that
money
could
be
used
in
any
other
number
of
improvements
in
the
neighborhood.
A
Was
there
a
list
that
somebody
was
going
to
put
an
industrial
building
in
there
I
mean
it
seems
kind
of
inevitable
that
somebody
would
apply
for
and
receive
residential
zoning.
There
was
the
was
the
word
council
involved
in
there.
The
discussion
on
the
Jawbone's
notes,
madam
chair,
not
specifically
on
the
discussion
of
the
drawdowns
again
in
accordance
with
their
section
37
guidelines
that
discussion
takes
place
between
planning
staff
and
the
applicant
okay.
Is
there
any
motion,
ma'am
and
I'm?
Sorry,
mr.
A
O'connor
isn't
here,
but
that
strikes
me
is
something
that
we
may
wish
to
address
in
the
next
term
of
council.
I
think
there
is
there's
a
legitimate
discussion
to
be
had
about
how
transparent
section
37
benefit
draw
downs.
Are
the
councillors
not
at
the
table?
Invest
the
community's
not
at
the
table,
I
I
question
how
we
apply
a
monetary
value
to
drawing
down
section
37
benefits
for
a
rezoning.
That
is
entirely
to
the
benefit
of
the
developer
themselves.
A
That's
not
a
question
you
can
answer
today,
but
I
think
we
we
saw
it
raised
this
morning
again
and
it's
something
I
know
the
Federation
citizens
associations
is
looking
at
as
well
section.
37
is
intended
to
help
us
mitigate
the
impact
of
intensification
in
our
already
built
up
neighborhoods
when
there's
uplift
and
there's
growth.
We
need
resources
in
order
to
be
able
to
deal
with
that
and
I'm,
not
certain
that
the
draw
downs
are
always
associated
with
that.
So
that's
something
yeah
I'd
like
to
have
more
of
a
conversation
with
them,
particularly
next
Erma
council.
A
A
How
was
your
intention,
though?
What
is
her
thinking
currently
about
how
the
mechanism
by
which
we're
going
to
achieve
those
affordable,
housing
units
I,
think
councillor
Kerry,
had
spoken
to
turning
the
a
certain
number
of
units
over
to
a
third
party
that
would
manage
them,
which
is
what
I'm
looking
at
at
979
mountains
as
well,
but
how
far
along
the
path
are
we
turning
down
that
mechanism.
A
So
it's
going
to
have
to
go
through
a
process
where
whoever
ultimately
owns
these
units
or
rents
out
this
building,
whether
it's
the
developer,
orders
tied
somehow
to
some
sort
of
third
party
entity.
That's
going
to
have
to
be
approved
through
that
agreement
process
so
that
there's
control
over
what
rents
are
happening
and
make
it's
not
changing
over
those
years
out
of
scope
of
the
agreement.
So
the
language
is
there,
but
we're
not
quite
at
implementation,
because
that
will
have
to
happen
at
that
discussion.
A
Yeah,
because
I
understand
is
that
979,
you
know
other
than
their
league
ordinates.
It's
not
quite
nailed
down
exactly
what
the
what
the
paper
needs
to
read
like
so
and
again,
I'm
looking
at
mr.
Willis
I.
Think
as
we
start
to
see
more
of
these
kinds
of
negotiated
outcomes
achieved,
it
would
be
good
if
we
had
some
understanding
of
how
we
can
sort
of
standardize
those
so
that
there's
the
elimination,
some
uncertainty
around
those
but
again
I.
Think
that's
probably
at
this
point
of
discussion
for
the
next
tournament
Council
chair.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thanks.
B
B
You
for
coming
out
and
play
work
on
this
project
time
with
counselor
Frey,
so
Kerry
and
112
Nelson
Street
was
only
bylaw
amendment
proofing
thanks
very
much
okay,
so
kill.
Sir
Laurie
is
not
here
the
rezoning
in
bars
and
restaurants.
So
if
he
doesn't
come,
I
will
just
let
it
ride
to
be
in
August,
and
then
we
have
the
temporary
car,
shelters
and
residential
zones
which
comes
from
this
bomb
held.
I.
Think
did
you
yes,
yeah.
A
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
Turing's
going
to
the
part
of
the
agenda.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
we're
not
tying
staffs
hands
in
the
sense
that
the
motion
says
that
staff
would
report
back
to
planning
committee
with
the
proposed
zoning.
Bylaw
recommendation
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
that
means
there
could
be
a
recommendation
that
no
changes
in
rezoning
by
law
are
needed.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
option
is
available
to
staff
if
they
do
on
review
that
things
are
firing.
The
way
they
are.
B
A
A
Just
to
provide
some
additional
context
in
official
plan
amended
in
2015,
the
city
brought
the
industrial
park
into
the
public
service
area
to
allow
for
the
calls
metrical
feed
system
to
be
extended
to
be
extended
into
the
area
and
in
2016.
These
lands
were
identified
by
our
economic
development
branch
as
an
area
of
opportunity.
A
As
part
of
that
of
that
report
that
council
received
and
approved
in
2016-
and
so
this
is
a
site
that
we've
been
trying
to
develop
for
quite
a
long
time,
it
is
an
expensive
site
to
develop
because
of
the
location
of
our
own
gas
and
water
and,
as
a
result,
I
think
is
very
favorite
that
we
provide
some
opportunity
to
defer,
not
eliminate.
Surveys
was
a
cost,
so
the
motion
reads.
Therefore:
they
resolved
that
planning
committee
recommend.
A
My
council
approved
one
to
defer
as
a
ministry
portion
of
the
DC's
until
the
project
is
completed
all
for
18
months,
whichever
is
lesser,
and
to
that
immediate,
while
clean
covering
all
costs
associated
with
bringing
services
to
the
site
and
input.
You
hear
the
extension
calls
calls
bed
springs,
trickle,
feed
line
which
will
be
assumed
as
missile
infrastructure.
Upon
completion,
the
railway
modifications
be
exempt
from
paying
the
interest
applied
to
the
deferral
of
the
payment
of
the
DCs
and
three.
A
If
permitted
under
Hawaiian
tuyas
act
and
we
occur,
there
was
the
Planning
Committee
recommend
council
waive
the
notice
required
under
subsection,
29,
3
and
34
one
of
the
procedure,
bylaw
2016
3
7
7,
to
consider
this
motion
as
its
meaning
on
11
July
2018.
As
the
next
council
meeting
is
at
the
end
of
August
and
delaying
the
consideration,
this
motion
was
significantly
delay
the
construction
of
the
facility,
those
are
the
Kohl
notes,
I'm
happy
to
answer.
Any
questions
are
getting
into
details
them
and
understand.
Mr.
A
Chairman
Oh
BOM
said
it'd
be
Cal,
so
very
succinctly
summarized
or
what
the
essence
of
the
motion
is.
The
only
point
that
I
would
make
is
that
the
issue
of
the
full
of
payment
is
something
that
is
on
calmer
practice.
The
real
issue
is
the
waving
of
the
interest
charge,
so
that's
really
the
essence
of
it
and
the
primary
basis.
A
A
Asis
are
we
is
that
fair
to
say
that,
under
similar
circumstances
in
a
different
part
of
the
city
staff
would
look
favorably
upon
such
an
application?
Madame
Judis,
terrific,
the
clear
broccolini
will
be
paying
the
development
charges
just
one
year
later
than
they
would
otherwise
have
paid
now
I'm
looking
I
thinking
about
the
interest
rates,
no,
certainly
in.
A
If
we
found
another
situation
where
we
had
that
have
been
planned
for
some
time
for
economic
development
and
had
no
movement
on
it
and
one
player
could
advance
Infrastructure,
Committee
I
think
we
would
bring
this
forward
to
Committee
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
ultimately
with
committee
having
final
decision
and
ready,
staffs
and
understanding.
If,
let's
say,
council
were
to
refuse
this
defer
exemption
of
the
interest
charges,
what
would
be
the
consequence
of
that?
A
Do
you
think
that
this
project
wouldn't
happen
now
I'm
sure
I'm
not
sure
that
the
details
of
the
arrays
between
broccoli
and
and
their
tenant?
But
we
are
aware
that
this
was
a
key
element
of
the
discussions
that
were
happening
so,
whether
or
not
there's
something
that
you
wrapped
up
in
that
agreement?
Should
this
not
go
for
I
can't
comment
on
that?
That's
a
private
arrangement
between
those
two
parties
so,
and
just
so
that
I'm
clear
this
is
going
to
be
space
that
Amazon
is
going
to
occupy.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct?
A
Okay,
so
I
looked
at
the
q1
results
of
Amazon
51
billion
dollars
in
cells,
1.6
billion
dollars
in
profit
that
was
Q
on
a
2018
of
doubling
the
profit
year-over-year
from
the
previous
year.
So
it
stops
you
that
this
is
this.
Exemption
of
the
interest
charge
is
critical
to
ensure
this
project
succeeds
and
I'm
sure
the
council
is
looking
at
the
tenants
view
of
the
world
and
I
would
recommend
that
council
consider
the
landlord
and
land
owners
view
of
the
world,
a
local
construction
company
trying
to
attract
an
international
user
to
a
site
in
competition.
A
Whatever
communities
there
were
other
Eastern
Ontario
municipalities
that
desperately
wanted
this
opportunity,
so
our
local
land
managed
to
find
a
formula
to
attract
Amazon,
to
bring
600
jobs
to
the
Ottawa
area,
and
that
is
the
rationale
for
this
and
I.
We
can't
anticipate
come
of
the
crisis
would
be,
but
I
I
would
ask
Council
to
think
about
it
from
the
perspective
of
the
local
landowner
and
so,
but
just
to
go
back
to
the
previous
plan.
So
the
ideas
an
agreement
has
been
crafted
and
now
through
councillor
glaze
motion.
A
It's
not
submit
at
this
point
in
time,
because
the
calculation
development
charges
happens
at
the
billet
kind
of
stage,
but
for
12-month
all
it's
about
$800,000
give
or
take.
So
that's
just
the
interest
on
it.
That's
just
the
entire
contract
case.
That's
that's!
Not
an
insignificant
amount.
When
we're
talking
about
city
projects
I'll
throw
one
more
number
into
account.
Sir
miss
Bowman
sir
mixer,
which
is
their
capex
in
q1
2018.
So
that's
the
amount
that
they're
spending
on
acquiring
leases
and
building
facilities
was
21
billion
just
in
capex
alone.
A
A
Probably
is
not
a
lot
to
Amazon
but
I
think
to
the
residents
of
Ottawa.
That
represents
a
significant
number
of
projects
that
that
don't
get
done.
Where
is
that?
Where
is
that
funded
that,
if
you
$1000,
which,
where
would
that
or
when
we
go
into
madam
church,
which
DC
affordable
housing
when
madam
chair,
if
the
developer
were
able
to
pay
that
bill
today,
there
would
be
no
interest
rate
and
no
weapon,
but
there.
A
A
Mr.
Lewis
said
they
might
point
form
you
that
the
revenue
is
not
available
if
council
boy
in
the
mayor's
office
hadn't
got
the
six
hundred
new
jobs
coming
into
the
area
in
this
new
development.
That
money
was
not
available,
so
constantly
could
have
suggest
that
certain
projects
wouldn't
go
forward
and
people
would
be
disadvantaged
because
of
this
is
quite
unfair
to
the
work
of
counsel,
blame
America.
Thank.
B
You
yeah
I
mean
it's
is
a
new
point,
because
it
wouldn't
even
be
there
wasn't
that
Bolivian
application
will
be
a
development.
There
wouldn't
be
any
investment,
so
that
I
mean
you
know.
It
is
a
let's
face
that
they
saw
you
had
charge
to.
Where
think
about
it
ahead
of
time.
So
I
appreciate
the
fact
you're
asking
questions.
Anybody
else
know
so
on
the
onion.
Sakera
is
a
dissent
dissent.
That's
a
common
pattern
today
seem
to.
B
B
B
B
Councillor
Chloe
was
here
this
morning
and
he
left
with
the
Kissin.
So
we
have
no
other
business,
any
increase
the
moisture
pies.
You
know
because
usually
an
election
year
just
suggesting
that
there
are
tons
of
increase-
and
you
guys
are
kind
of
surprising
me-
a
lot
I
think
you're
missing
the
boat
on
it,
just
saying
so.
No
employees
when
next
meeting
is
in
two
general
August,
the
twenty-eighth
planning
committee
gets
a
break
and
whole
agenda
have
a
bits
of
big
agenda.
What
a
surprise
so
we're
and
and
before
that
you
have
a
mail.