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From YouTube: Standing Committee on Environmental Protection, Water and Waste Management - June 29, 2021
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Standing Committee on Environmental Protection, Water and Waste Management
- Tuesday, June 29 2021 – video stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
A
B
A
Like
that,
just
like
that,
just
like
that,
I'm
always
excited.
We
had
a
an
interesting
air
rack
meeting
once
and
it
was
agenda
21
and
just
with
the
people's
with
the
speakers
at
the
committee
and
the
fear
of
agenda
21.
It
just
worked
out
so
well
at
that
time.
That
was
last
term
account.
So
this
is
a
new
term
and
we're
well
into
it.
So,
let's
get
at
it.
A
C
C
A
Put
his
hand
up
and
no
one
will
notice
devastating
so
declarations
of
interest,
any
decorations
of
interest,
pecunery
non-punery,
any
none.
Okay,
confirmation
of
minutes
from
agenda
16,
the
meeting
of
monday
may
17th
2021
are
those
meetings
carried
for
those?
Are
those
minutes
carried
period?
Thank
you
so
much
all
right.
Well,
we
have
four
items
on
the
agenda
today
and
we
will
be
adding
a
fifth
item.
I
believe
there's
a
motion
coming
to
do
so
just
a
verbal
presentation
on
something.
Our
first
item
is
always
master
plan
phase.
Two.
A
Item
number
two
is
solidway
services:
2023
residential
curbside
collection,
contract
procurement
strategy,
which
we
do
have
a
presentation
on
that
as
well.
Item
three
is
source
water
protection
plan,
amendment
for
the
new
kemptville
municipal
wealth
system.
In
case
you
haven't
noticed
I
annexed
kempville.
A
A
So
we
have
a
motion
that
the
standing
committee,
environment,
protection,
water
and
waste
management
recommend
council
endorse
the
proposed
amendment
under
section
34
of
the
clean
water
act
to
revise
the
mississippi
rito
source
protection
plan
to
add
a
new
misspo,
well
system
for
the
municipality
of
north
granville
into
the
mississippi
rito
source
protection
plan
and
assessment
reports.
So,
as
you
know,
we
have
a
source
protection
plan
for
the
various
missile.
A
A
A
Very
important
so
I'll
ask
councilman
it's
a
it's
a
report
on
it's
receiving
a
report
on
the
2020
journal
accounts
right
off
for
the
years
2010
to
2011.
of
302.
461
dollars
is
required
by
delegation
of
authority
by
law,
but
I'll
ask
councillor
bernard
to
move
that
technical
motion
to
change
the
number
on
the
report.
G
Yes,
thank
you.
I've
got
it
in
front
of
me
here.
We
can
put
on
the
screen
too
be
helpful,
whereas
acs
was
number
acs.
2021
fsd
raf0004
was
previously
reviewed
for
the
residential
vacant
unit
tax
report
that
was
considered
by
the
finance
and
economic
development
committee
at
its
meeting
of
june
1,
2021
and
subsequently
by
council
on
june
9.
A
A
Are
we
okay
with
zero
zero
zero?
Five?
Do
we
want
to
jump
ahead
to
zero
zero,
zero?
Six,
just
we're
good
okay.
So,
on
the
motion,
any
questions
on
the
I
don't
want
to.
If
we
have
questions
on
this
report,
I
do
want
to
do
it
now,
because
I
don't
want
to
hold
up
our
financial
services
staff
unnecessarily
for
the
other
piece.
So
any
questions
on
this
on
this
report
at
all,
seeing
none
so
can
we
receive
this
report
as
amended
by
the.
A
H
A
A
Okay,
so
with
that,
we
will
jump
right
into
item
one,
which
is
the
solid
waste
master
plan
phase.
Two,
thank
you.
I
know
over
15
off
at
least
15
offices
were
represented
at
the
technical
briefing
that
we
held
on
the
18th
of
june.
So
really
appreciate
your
attendance
there.
I
know
many
of
you
several
of
you
asked
questions
at
that
at
that
time
as
well,
and
hopefully
you
had
a
chance
to
review
the
the
report.
I
believe
it
was
465
pages
of
it,
so
I'm
sure
you
couldn't
put
it
down.
A
A
J
Today's
presentation
will
include
a
brief
overview
of
background
on
the
master
plan's
development
and
where
we're,
at
today,
overview
of
the
recommended
strategic
framework
for
the
master
plan
and
the
key
work
undertaken
to
date
in
phase
two,
including
the
city's
future
waste
needs
and
options
to
address
the
needs.
Finally,
next
steps
on
the
wasteland
development
process
also
joining
us
today
to
assist
with
answering
any
questions.
J
Members
of
committee
may
have
are
kevin
wiley,
general
manager,
public
works
and
environmental
services,
and
three
core
members
of
the
hdr
and
dylan
technical,
consulting
team
supporting
the
master
plans,
development,
beth,
godger
waste
management
consultant
with
dylan
consulting
larry
fedec,
solid
waste
program
lead
with
hdr
consulting
and
betsy
varghese
technical
services
and
project
lead
with
dylan
consulting
next
slide.
Please.
J
J
This
approved
report
outlined
the
framework
for
the
development
of
the
city's
solid
waste
master
plan
which
will
guide
how
ottawa
manages
and
diverts
waste
over
the
next
30
years
and
specifically
outlined
the
proposed
three-phased
approach
for
developing
the
master
plan
based
on
municipal
best
practices
through
the
roadmap
report.
Council
also
approved
the
establishment
of
the
council
or
sponsors
group
for
the
waste
plan
and
its
component
projects
which
staff
have
and
continue
to
leverage
for
support
and
guidance
throughout
the
waste
planning
process.
J
This
brings
us
to
where
we
are
today
in
the
master
planning
process
providing
members
of
council
with
an
update
on
the
work
done
to
date
in
phase
two
seeking
council
approval
of
the
waste
plan's
proposed
vision,
goals
and
guiding
principles.
I
will
now
pass
things
over
to
nicole
for
the
rest
of
the
presentation.
Next
slide.
Please.
K
K
So
these
proposes
proposed
strategic
elements
of
the
waste
plan
were
developed.
Shelley
had
touched
on
in
collaboration
with
the
general
public
and
key
stakeholders,
as
well
as
our
project,
stakeholders,
founding
board
and
our
projects
council
sponsors
group.
So
this
approach
was
undertaken
to
ensure
that
the
strategic
framework
and
direction
for
the
plan
would
be
reflective
of
community
beliefs
and
values,
honoring.
Ultimately,
the
commitment
that
we
need
to
counsel
to
develop
this
plan
in
unison
with
the
community.
K
So
in
terms
of
why
we're
seeking
council's
approval
of
these
key
strategic
elements
at
this
point
in
the
waste
plans,
development
is
to
ensure
that
council's
strategic
priorities
are
defined
to
guide
the
work
to
follow
in
phase
two
and
phase
three.
As
we
work
to
develop
the
draft
and
final
waste
plan,
that's
going
to
align
and
work
to
achieve
council's
direction
and
vision
for
the
future
of
waste
management
over
the
next
30
years,
so.
K
K
Waste
management
needs
gaps,
constraints
and
opportunities,
along
with
a
high
level
list
of
options
available
to
meet
the
future
needs,
and
that
also
work
to
support
the
goals
of
the
waste
plan
or
the
proposals
of
the
waste
plan
and
the
triple
bottom
line:
technical
evaluation
process
that
will
be
used
to
evaluate
and
shortlist
the
options
for
community
and
stakeholder
engagement.
This
fall
next
slide.
Please.
K
So
shelley
had
highlighted
earlier
extensive
engagement,
underpinned
all
elements
of
this
report.
Staff
worked
with
the
cancer
sponsors
group
and
stakeholders,
both
internal
and
external,
to
the
city
and
members
of
the
public
to
ensure
that
each
aspect
of
the
this
particular
phase
of
the
waste
plan
has
incorporated
and
aligned
with
counseling
community
priorities
and
feedback.
K
So
the
tactics
for
engagement
series
1
were
designed
in
a
way
to
encourage
participation
and
reach
a
broad
range
of
residents.
This
included
key
stakeholder
workshops,
surveys,
online
dialogue
sessions
and
an
online
survey
for
the
general
public,
virtual
focus
groups
and
one-on-one
interviews
with
equity-seeking
groups.
We
used
a
variety
of
promotion
tools,
including
advertising,
social
media
and
media,
and
also
working
with
our
broad
base
of
stakeholders
and
community
associations
and
agencies
to
reach
out
to
their
various
networks
and
encourage
participation.
K
K
I
just
want
to
highlight
as
well,
especially
given.
Some
of
I
think
the
conversation
from
community
over
the
past
couple
of
weeks
is
important
to
recognize
that,
even
with
a
strong
focus
on
waste
avoidance
reduction,
reuse,
recycling
and
recovery,
but
there
will
always
be
a
need
to
manage
what's
left
in
the
residual
stream.
K
K
They
speak
to
honoring
the
five
hours
of
the
waste
management
hierarchy,
seeking
to
change
community
values
related
to
waste.
So
again,
recognizing
that
achieving
the
plan's
goals
will
take
a
concerted
effort
by
the
community,
in
partnership
with
the
city,
protecting
the
environment
for
future
generations
to
come,
leading
by
example,
and
encouraging
the
adoption
of
circular
economy
principles
which
replace
the
conventional
linear
waste
management
approach
of
take
make
dispose
to
a
take,
make
return
model
so
creating
a
closed
food
system
where
valuable
natural
resources
are
kept
in
cycle.
K
Instead
of
being
disposed
of
a
landfill,
so
11
goals
are
being
recommended
for
council
consideration
which
will
define
the
outcomes
council
wants
to
achieve
through
the
wasteland
so
helping
transition.
The
vision
from
a
broad
statement
to
more
specific
direction,
so
they're
focused
on
extending
the
life
of
the
trail
waste
facility,
reducing
waste
generation,
reusing,
more
waste
recycling,
more
recovering,
more
materials
and
energy
from
the
garbage
stream
and
aspiring
to
reduce
the
city's
waste
management
systems,
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
100,
aligning
with
council's
climate
change
targets.
K
So,
with
council's
approval
of
the
waste
plans,
visions,
statement,
guiding
principles
and
goals,
staff
will
be
well
positioned
to
continue
to
work
towards
developing
the
draft
and
final
waste
plan
that
will
align
and
work
to
achieve
council's
direction
and
vision
for
the
future
waste
management
over
the
next
30
years.
Next
slide,
please.
K
So
moving
to
the
second
part
of
the
staff
report,
which
is
to
provide
counsel
and
members
of
the
public
and
key
stakeholders
with
key
pieces
of
information
developed
during
phase
two
that
will
underpin
the
development
of
the
master
plan
and
form
the
basis
for
the
important
discussions
to
come
with
the
community
in
terms
of
the
needs
that
the
master
client
must
address
what
options
can
be
considered
to
meet
the
needs
and
how
far
and
how
fast
and
at
what
cost.
We
want
to
move
towards
achieving
the
goals
of
the
plan.
K
So
understanding
how
the
city's
population
and
waste
management
needs
may
change
over
the
next
30
years.
Of
course,
it's
fundamental
in
helping
ensure
council
can
make
effective
and
efficient
decisions
about
waste
management,
programs
and
services
and
plan
for
the
proper,
supporting
infrastructure
programs
and
contracts
into
the
future.
So
I
know,
as
members
of
committee
and
council
are
familiar,
the
new
official
plan
projects
that
ottawa
will
have
a
population
of
more
than
1.4
million
by
2046..
K
K
So
overall,
21
anticipated
future
needs
were
identified
that
touch
on
all
of
the
various
components
of
the
integrated
waste
management
system.
So
they're
broken
down
into
the
seven
categories
that
you
see
here
on
the
slide
and
they
range
as
an
example.
They
speak
to
opportunities
to
enhance
waste
reduction,
reuse
efforts,
securing
future
organics
capacity
beyond
the
existing
current
contract.
We
have
in
place
all
the
way
to
exploring
options
to
extend
the
life
of
the
trail
road
landfill,
while
also
planning
for
new
disposal
capacity
when
required.
K
The
needs
identification
process
explored
the
potential
for
enhancement
to
existing
programs
and
policies.
It
identifies
new
opportunities
and
where
existing
contracts
are
about
to
expire.
It
looks
at
the
potential
to
do
something
different
than
we're
doing
today
and,
of
course,
the
the
needs
were
identified
through
our
technical,
consulting
team
who
considered
the
waste
projections.
K
K
K
So
engagement
on
this
project
is
set
to
begin
later
this
summer,
with
the
aim
to
bring
forward
a
recommended
policy
for
council
consideration,
early
q1
or
in
q1
of
next
year.
Also,
the
ongoing
development
of
a
multi-residential
diversion
strategy
is
also
underway
with
plans
to
engage
the
community
and
stakeholders.
This
fall,
while
also
bringing
forward
the
strategy
for
council
consideration
early
next
year,
so
other
city
plans
are
also
underway
to
actively
address
some
of
the
future
needs,
including
the
development
of
a
solid
waste
services
long-range
financial
plan.
K
K
So,
in
addition
to
the
needs
identified
through
the
needs
assessment,
there
are
a
number
of
key
considerations
and
risks
that
were
also
identified
that
have
the
potential
to
impact
long-term
waste
management
needs
in
the
city.
That,
of
course,
need
to
be
considered
as
we
continue
to
develop
the
master
plan.
K
K
Climate
change,
of
course,
is
another
area
that
has
implications
on
the
city
and
its
waste
management
system,
including
that
equipment
resiliency.
It
will
impact
the
probability
of
severe
weather
events,
including
floods,
tornadoes
which
can
impact
collection,
transportation,
processing
and
the
disposal
of
materials
impacted
by
those
events,
as
well
as
the
amount
of
waste
that's
generated.
K
K
So
some
of
these
may
not
come
to
fruition
before
we
finalize
the
waste
plan
for
council's
consideration,
which
means
that
we
will
likely
need
to
be
or
they
will
likely
need
to
be
addressed
in
future
updates
to
the
waste
plan.
So
this,
of
course,
further
emphasizes
the
importance
of
the
plan
itself
remaining
flexible
and
adaptable
and
being
refreshed
every
five
years
to
meet
the
city's
needs
and
to
be
resilient,
as
these
risks
and
considerations
continue
to
evolve
and
present
various
implications
for
our
future
waste
management
system.
K
So
while
it
might
seem
like
a
fair
amount
of
time,
it
can
take
up
to
15
years
to
develop
a
new
landfill
or
implement
an
alternative
waste
management
technology.
This
takes
into
consideration
provincial
approval
processes,
as
well
as
city
planning
approval
processes
and,
of
course,
engagement
with
the
community.
K
K
So,
by
advancing
this
work
concurrent
to
the
development
of
the
solid
waste
master
plan,
in
conjunction
with
the
work
that
is
already
under
a
way
to
explore
additional
curbside
and
multi-residential
diversion
options
to
implement
in
the
short
term
as
the
waste
planning
process
continues
again,
staff
are
confident
that
council
will
be
equipped
with
the
necessary
information
in
order
to
be
able
to
take
swift
and
meaningful
action
in
extending
the
life
of
the
trail
road
landfill
next
slide.
Please.
K
K
So
just
to
give
an
example,
one
of
the
options
in
the
long
list
is
anaerobic
digestion
of
organics
and
creating
a
biogas
from
that.
So
this
option
has
been
identified
in
the
needs
analysis
as
an
opportunity
to
process
organic
waste
differently
once
the
city's
organics
processing
contract
ends
in
2030..
K
So
this
would
represent
a
change
for
residents
who
are
used
to
being
able
to
place
their
leaving
yard
waste
in
the
city's
green
bin
program,
requiring
additional
outreach
and
education
and
promotion,
and
it
could
also
it's
likely
to
impact
other
city
infrastructure.
So
as
an
example,
including
you
need
to
expand
and
find
additional
processing
capacity
for
leaf
and
yard
waste.
K
So
the
financial,
social
and
environmental
implications
of
each
of
the
options
are
also
important
considerations
that
have
been
documented
for
the
options,
but
they
were
also
designed,
or
we
designed
the
options
templates
to
also
consider
the
options,
understanding
which
options
require
a
change
to
public
behavior
and
how
we
can
benchmark
and
measure
the
performance
of
the
options
and
also
different
regulatory
considerations.
So,
depending
on
the
option,
certain
regulatory
considerations
will
likely
impact
how
quickly
an
option
can
be
considered
for
implementation.
K
We've
also
focused
identifying
which
options
rely
heavily
on
public
behavior
change,
which
will
of
course
impact
how
quickly
we
can.
We
may
be
able
to
achieve
success
with
some
of
the
options,
as
members
of
committee
and
council
are
well
aware.
Behaviors
are
often
linked
to
long-standing
habits
and
core
beliefs
that
have
been
ingrained
in
individuals
throughout
the
course
of
their
lives.
So
we've
experienced
this
most
recently
with
changes
to
the
green
bin
program.
K
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
as
well
that
over
the
next
30
years,
options
that
the
city's
considers
will
evolve,
some
will
be
added,
some
will
be
removed,
some
may
be
put
on
hold
and
that's
all
in
an
effort
to
make
sure
that
the
plan
remains
adaptable
to
ensure
that
meeting
the
city's
waste
management
needs
is
responding
to
emerging
trends
and
changes
within
the
waste
management
industry.
So,
as
technologies
evolve
as
we
learn
the
results
of
different
pilots,
we
introduce
new
programs
and
change
in
the
evolution
of
industry.
K
So,
with
council's
approval
of
the
waste
plan's
vision,
statement,
guiding
principles
and
goals,
staff
will
begin
the
options,
evaluation
process
and
work
towards
developing
the
draft
waste
plan
and
five-year
implementation
study.
As
council
will
recall
from
the
approved
masterplan
roadmap
report,
now
that
the
city's
anticipated
future
needs
for
the
next
three
years
and
the
long
list
of
options
available
to
meet
those
needs
have
been
identified.
K
The
technical,
consulting
team
will
evaluate
each
of
the
options
to
narrow
them
down
to
a
short
list
of
options
for
ottawa.
That
will
then
be
taken
to
the
community
and
stakeholders
for
input.
This
fall
and
the
evaluation
process
and
the
technical
tool
was
developed
by
the
project's
technical,
consulting
team.
It
considered
best
practices
and
approaches
used
in
other
municipal
waste
planning
processes
also
considered
key
council
approved
lenses
that
form
the
basis
of
the
triple
bottom
line.
K
The
technical
evaluation
process
includes
a
three-step
process
to
ensure
an
effective,
efficient
and
transparent
process.
That's
outlined
here
on
the
slide.
First,
options
will
be
screened
using
a
series
of
questions
and
second,
a
triple
bottom
line.
Evaluation
will
be
done
on
the
options
that
pass
through
the
screening
step.
K
The
tool
itself
will
use
an
equally
weighted
approach
to
assess
and
balance
various
health
and
social,
environmental
sustainability
and
financial
viability
considerations
to
ensure
that
the
shortlist
of
options
suitable
for
ottawa's
future
waste
management
needs
balances.
These
multiple
considerations
and
this
structured
approach
will
allow
us
to
compare
different
options
based
on
this
consistent
set
of
criteria
that
reflects
stakeholder
priorities
and
it's
going
to
help
us
determine
which
options
offer
the
greatest
potential
value
to
the
city,
and
so
once
all
those
options
have
been
screened
and
evaluated.
K
The
short
list
of
highest
ranking
options
that
align
with
the
city's
needs
and
the
master
plan's
vision,
guiding
principles
and
goals
will
be
developed
and
they'll,
be
grouped
into
one
of
three
categories
and
used
to
build
two
different
future
waste
management
systems.
So
one
moderate
and
one
aggressive
and
the
reason
for
grouping
the
options
into
these
systems
is
because,
as
I
had
highlighted
earlier,
many
of
the
options
depend
on
other
supporting
options
to
ensure
success.
K
We
want
to
be
able
to
show
the
community
that
more
holistic
perspective
of
how
the
options
work
together
towards
trying
working
towards
achieving
the
goals
of
the
master
plan.
These
systems
will
be
compared
against
each
other.
The
status
quo,
with
respect
to
waste,
diversion
potential
ghg
emissions
reduction,
potential,
energy
generation
potential
and
estimated
cost
and
risk,
and
we
are
taking
this
approach
in
order
to
facilitate
those
conversations
with
the
community
and,
of
course
gauge
how
far,
how
fast
collectively
we'll
want
to
move
as
a
community
towards
achieving
the
plan
goals.
K
So
in
terms
of
timing,
the
evaluation
process
will
take
in
take
place
in
advance
of
engaging
with
council
and
then
the
public
on
the
options
so
once
complete,
the
short
list
of
options
will
generate
the
two
systems
so
that
moderate
and
aggressive
and
will
be
brought
forward
for
engagement
and
this
winter.
Once
all
engagement
on
the
shortlisted
options
and
proposed
systems
is
complete.
We'll
be
considering
all
that
feedback
and
working
with
our
counselor
sponsors
group
to
also
seek
further
guidance,
as
we
continue
to
develop
the
draft
plan
next
slide.
Please.
K
So
I'd
just
like
to
end
today's
presentation
with
a
look
forward
in
terms
of
what's
to
come
in
our
waste
planning
process.
So,
of
course,
with
council's
approval
of
the
waste
plan's
vision,
guiding
principles
and
goals
and
receipt
of
this
technical
information
staff
will
then
begin
evaluating
the
options
we'll
be
working
with
the
community.
K
A
A
I
know
I
was,
I
was
gonna
get
to
that
chris.
It's
like
you,
just
keep
cutting
me
off.
My
apologies.
Yes,
would
you
just
let
me
share
the
meeting
right,
so
we
have
a
technical
amendment
completely
stole
my
thunder.
I
was
like
building
up
to
it.
I
wanted
to
really
nail
that
one
and
it
just
I
feel
so,
undercut
counselor
menard.
Could
you
please
move
the
it's
just
it's
just
a
small
thing
to
make
a
minor
adjustment
to
the
report.
G
Yes,
absolutely
chair,
whereas
document
three
of
the
solid
waste
master
plan
phase
two
report
sets
out
the
high
level
long
list
of
options
identified
to
meet
the
city's
future
waste
management
needs
and
their
corresponding
descriptions,
and
whereas
these
options
are
also
listed
in
table
10
long
list
of
options
under
section
1
of
the
main
staff
report
and
whereas
public
works
and
environmental
services
staff
have
identified
that
one
of
the
options
described
in
document
3
was
inadvertently.
Omitted
from
the
list
set
out
in
table.
G
10,
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
standing
committee
on
environmental
protection,
water
and
waste
management
approve
one
an
amendment
to
the
text
to
table
10
to
include
behavioral
change
management
strategy
under
options.
In
section
1
promotion
and
education,
subsection,
1a
outreach
initiatives
and
2.
The
substitution
of
the
revised
table
10
be
included
in
the
report
when
it
is
submitted
to
city.
A
A
The
first
delegation
I
believe,
circulated
some
information
prior
to
today's
meeting.
It
is
landera,
so
speaking
on
behalf
of
landara
is
johannes
zebarth
and
also
here
is
alanna
bird
spencer,
warren,
graham
bird
and
vince
harkins,
so
just
full
disclosure.
This
is
the
company
that
I
met
with
back
in
the
fall
of
2019
to
discuss
their
technology
and
what
they,
what
they'd
like
to
propose
here
in
the
city
of
ottawa,
so
go.
I
don't
know
who's
going
to
start
and.
L
I'm
going
to
start
perfect
good
morning,
sharon,
moffitt
and
committee
members.
If
we
could
start
the
slide.
Thank
you
for
having
us
today.
My
name
is
johanna
sebart
and
I'll
be
presenting
with
atlanta
bird
and,
together
with
my
team,
we
are
here
to
introduce
landera
a
new
waste
to
energy
system
that
will
dramatically
change
how
the
world
handles
waste
next
slide.
Please,
if
you
were
to
compare
us
to
traditional
technologies
like
landfilling
and
incineration,
our
system
greatly
reduces
the
overall
footprint
of
waste
environmentally
physically
and
financially.
L
The
technology
would
be
particularly
a
big
win
for
ottawa.
We
can
divert
waste
from
landfills
to
substantially
extend
their
useful
life.
We
create
clean
power
to
reduce
environmental
emissions
and
to
meet
climate
targets.
Our
business
remodel
requires
no
upfront
capital
investment
from
the
city
and
we
are
a
canadian-owned
company,
headquartered
in
ottawa,
where
many
of
us
were
born
and
raised,
and
we
plan
on
being
a
big
job
creator.
Here.
The
following
slides
will
tell
a
bit
about
our
technology
and
our
goals
for
potentially
working
with
the
city
next
slide.
Please
our
story.
L
Landera
technology
started
development
in
2009
and
was
created
to
make
large
batches
of
activated
carbon,
which
is
used,
for
example,
in
air
and
water
filtration,
and
it
wasn't
until
2016
that
someone
asked
what
would
happen
if
we
used
our
system
to
process
municipal
solid
waste.
After
a
few
successful
tests,
we
realized
pretty
quickly.
We
had
something
extremely
special
and
we've
since
then
invested
our
resources
to
perfecting
our
waste
to
energy
system.
Next
slide,
please!
L
So
how
does
it
work
step?
One
waste
deemed
unfit
for
diversion
programs
such
as
recycling
organics
would
be
delivered
to
our
facility
step.
Two.
The
waste
would
be
bailed
to
eliminate
odors
and
leaching,
and
these
bales
become
our
fuel
cells
step.
Three,
the
bales
are
placed
into
a
large
canister
in
step.
L
At
the
end
of
the
process,
the
waste
volume
has
reduced
by
up
to
95
percent
and
we
have
three
remaining
and
useful
byproducts
ash
carbon
used
for
landfill
cover
or
in
concrete
aggregates
synthetic
gas
used
for
powering
the
grid
and
sterilized
recyclables
next
slide.
Please.
So
how
are
we
different
I'll
turn
it
over
to
atlanta.
M
Thanks,
johannes,
so
first
off,
we
have
extremely
clean
emissions
and
therefore
can
help
the
city
in
achieving
its
carbon
reduction
goals.
Landera
can
actually
reduce
the
emissions
created
by
up
to
99
next
slide.
Please,
but,
as
you
know,
the
climate
change
conversation
is
shifting
to
focus
on
both
carbon
reduction
and
carbon
offsets,
and
we
know
that
for
each
ton
of
greenhouse
gas
avoided
by
using
landera
the
result
is
one
carbon
credit.
M
We
also
produce
negligible
toxic
emissions
because
the
waste
isn't
actually
combusted
in
our
system.
We
do
not
create
any
of
the
truly
worrisome
emissions
such
as
dioxins
and
furans,
which,
in
contrast
with
other
thermal
treatment
technologies,
would
need
to
be
filtered
out
and
heavily
monitored
next
slide.
Please
we
own
and
operate
our
facilities,
meaning
there
is
no
upfront
capital
investment
required
by
the
city,
we'd
like
to
negotiate
an
agreement
to
process
a
guaranteed
amount
of
waste
for
a
set
tipping
fee
that
will
be
in
line
with
kind
of
current
canadian
standards.
M
This
project
would
start
with
a
pilot
phase
and
expand
from
there
next
slide.
Please
we
create
clean
power
that
would
be
used
to
power
our
facilities
and
the
remainder
can
be
sold
to
the
grid.
However,
power
sales
are
not
always
mandatory
for
our
business
model.
Next
slide,
please
we
reduce
waste
volume
by
up
to
95
percent.
So
if
you
were
to
use
landera
on
all
trail
roadways,
we
could
extend
the
useful
life
of
the
landfill
by
approximately
150
years.
M
M
M
So.
To
sum
up,
landera
would
be
a
big
win
for
the
city
we
fit
well
within
the
city's
waste
management
goals.
In
the
five
hour
hierarchy
by
processing
residual
waste
that
are
left
after
diversion
programs,
we
will
divert
waste
from
the
trail
road
landfill.
We
reduce
waste
emissions
overall
to
help
with
climate
change
targets
and
we'll
do
all
of
this
with
no
upfront
capital
investment
requirement
for
the
city
next
slide,
please.
M
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
alana.
Thank
you.
Johannes
appreciates
you
coming
today.
I
think
you
know.
In
the
past
we've
had
as
chair
ever
since
I
became
chair,
had
many
different
groups
reach
out
and
whatnot
and
you've
taken
the
time
to
come
here
today
and
and
present
to
committee
what
you're
offering.
So
I
appreciate
that
questions
from
committee.
We
have
counselor
keith
eggley.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
just
one
question
of
clarification:
your
your
presentation,
references
on
a
couple
of
locations
up
to
95,
less
waste,
and-
and
I
don't
mean
this
in
any
kind
of
disrespectful
way,
but
I
think
of
you
know
when
you
will
go
into
a
store
and
they
say
you
know,
discounts
up
to
60
percent
and
there's
one
item
on
the
shelf.
That's
at
60
and
everything
else
is
at
20.
C
You
know
a
typical.
What's
what
I'm
looking
for
deliverable
of
garbage?
I
guess
so
if
you've
got
x
tons
of
garbage
what
what's
what's
the
average?
We
can
expect
75
percent
80
what
you
know,
what
it
so
not
the
maximum,
but
what
we
could
expect
on
a
on
a
regular
basis
if
we
were
to
provide
the
waste
to
your
facility.
L
So
we're
experiencing
between
90
to
95
percent
reduction,
it
it
all.
It
all
ends
up
being
dependent
on
how
many
inert
things
end
up
in
in
the
in
the
waste
system,
because
we
we
can't
process
anything
that
is
inert.
So
if
someone
throws
in
bricks
and
stones
and
those
types
of
things
or
a
drywall,
so
if
it's
inert
it
can't
be
processed
if
it,
if
it's
not
inert,
it
does
get
processed
and
reduced
so
and
then
we
also
we.
We
then
also
managed
to
catch
whatever
was
recyclable.
That
is
inert.
L
So
you
know
glass
and
glass
and
steel
which
still
make
up
a
large
part
of
our
garbage,
even
with
our
diversion
programs.
We
end
up
with
those
as
sterilized
by-products
that
we
can
send
back
into
the
recycling
system,
but
everything
else
that
anything
else
that
is
hydrocarbon-based
does
get
does
get
eliminated.
C
And
just
one
quick
follow-up,
you
you
say:
you're
ottawa
based
and
you
already
have
a
facility.
So
I
guess
two,
two
quick
questions
from
that.
Where
is
the
facility
located
now
and
if
you
did
enter
into
even
a
pilot
project
with
the
city,
would
you
would
you
need
to
scale
up
your
operations
and-
and
would
that
mean
extending
what
you
already
have
on
on
that
location?
Or
would
it
mean
setting
up
a
second
location
somewhere
else
in
the
city.
L
So
our
r
d
work
is
being
done
in
in
tennessee,
where
the
plant
is
is
a
permanent
facility
with
the
with
the
state
authorities,
and
so
as
far
as
the
the
second
part
of
the
answer,
which
is
you
know,
how
would
we
scale
up?
Well,
we
would
be
talking
about
doing
a
very
site-specific
pilot
project.
You
know
our
our
thoughts
were
that
we
could
actually
do
the
pilot
project
in
a
fairly
decent
time
frame.
L
If
we
were,
if
city
council
would
be
able
to
consider,
allowing
us
to
use
the
old
storage
facility
that
was
across
the
road
from
trail
road
landfill,
so
we
would
be
able
to
do
a
pilot
in
in
a
very
short
period
of
time
in
around
10
months,
a
fit
up
inside
of
that
old
storage
facility
across
from
trail
road
and
conduct.
The
pilot
out
of
there
before
heading
into
you
know
a
larger
concept
of
a
larger
plant.
A
pilot
would
be
around
75
tons
per
day
in
a
facility.
M
L
Yeah,
so
it's
the
autoclave
is
a
set
size
and
it
can.
It
can
process
approximately
12
tons
per
day
and
that's
the
system
that
we've
perfected
and
so
to
we
we're
also
quite
scalable.
So
we
can
actually,
we
just
add
the
number
of
autoclaves
based
on
the
tonnage
that's
required
or
the
tonnogen
in
agreement.
L
You
know
our
thoughts
were
with
the
city
that
we
would
do
a
pilot
project
which
is
like,
I
said
about
a
75
ton
per
day
facility
go
through
the
pilot
project
and
the
environmental
regulation
side
of
things,
and
then
the
second
phase
would
be
to
discuss
something
around
a
400
ton
per
day
plant
and
all
of
those
all
those
steps
are
scalable.
So
everything
we
do
in
the
pilot
phase
can
be
used
in
the
in
the
larger
scale
plant
and
then,
as
the
city
grows,
or
wants
to
consider
larger
tonnages.
L
A
Thanks
and
just
to
give
some
some
perspective
of
that,
johannes
and
we've
said
they
can
process
75
tons.
We
actually
take
in
about
2
000
tons
of
waste
a
day
at
trail
road.
So
we
take
in
a
considerable
amount
of
waste
and
the
challenge
will
always
be.
Can
we
find
someone
that
can
actually
process
that
volume
and
that's
that'll
always
be
the
tough
thing?
C
L
Sure
so
an
autoclave
is
a
is
a
pressurized
steel
vessel,
and
so
the
autoclave
was
invented
about
100
years
ago,
but
we
just
took
it
to
a
new
level
as
far
as
what
we
can
do
with
it.
So
an
autoclave
is
a
steel.
Is
a
steel
pressurized
vessel,
our
autoclaves
are
around
14
15
feet
high
and
about
seven
feet
wide.
L
We
we
deemed
from
research
and
technology
and
all
the
things
we
did
in
in
testing
that
that
going
beyond
that
size
would
become
challenging
to
maintain
our
environmental
standards
that
we
were
shooting
for,
because
right
now
we
we
have
very,
very
low
emissions,
and
so
so
the
autoclave
that's
about
the
size
of
the
autoclave.
You
can
put
approximately
three
tons
of
garbage
into
into
each
autoclave
once
the
garbage
is
baled
and
then
that
processing
time
takes
between
four
to
five
hours
to
process
the
the
garbage
in
the
autoclave.
L
Now
the
way
the
autoclave
works
I'll
just
take
a
minute
to
explain
it
is
that
it's
very
fascinating
about
how
our
system
works.
We
have
very,
very
low
input
values
to
get
our
process
started.
So
the
the
garbage
is
lowered
and
put
inside
the
cylinder
in
the
bales,
it's
lowered
into
the
autoclave.
The
vessel
is
closed
and
sealed
and
it
becomes
airtight.
L
And
then
we
we
use
about
5
to
15
minutes
of
an
outside
fuel
in
source
such
as
like
natural
gas,
to
ignite
a
very
small
layer
of
charcoal
barbecue
in
the
bottom
of
this
autoclave.
So
we
get
that
we
get
that
charcoal
glowing
and
then
that
and
then
we
turn
off
the
outside
fuel
source
and
then
the
temperature
starts
to
rise
inside
of
the
autoclave
similar
to
pressure
cooker
or
the
way
you
would
have
your
barbecue
start
and
then
that
heat
rises
and
starts
the
thermal
decomposition
process.
L
And
we
we
add
pressure
into
the
vessel
and
the-
and
we
also
continuously
reduce
the
level
of
oxygen-
is
why
we
also
have
such
clean
emissions
and
why
we
don't
produce
furan's
and
dioxins
and
the
problems
that
other
thermal
technologies
have
and
we're
doing
it
in
a
closed
batch
environment.
We're
the
only
closed
batch
municipal,
solid
waste
processing
system
out
there
for
thermal
conversion.
L
Everyone
else
is
trying
to
do
it
in
a
continuous
flow
methodology
and
they're
they're
continuously
having
problems
with
oxygen,
causing
the
dioxins
and
the
furan's
and
the
emission
levels
and
fly
ash
and
all
of
those
other
things
that
go
with
other
thermal
decomposition
technologies.
So
we
we
keep
this
in
a
very
strict
environment.
While
we
process
the
garbage
and
the
temperature
inside
the
vessel
rises
to
about
600
degrees,
700
degrees
celsius,
the
outside
of
the
vessel,
never
reaches
above
100
degrees
celsius.
So
it's
really
quite
fascinating.
C
Okay,
so
for
the
the
things
that
you
call
the
inert
elements
that
wouldn't
that
might
indeed
decrease
the
efficiency
of
the
process,
we
could
actually
put
another
step
in
there
to
to
take
some
of
the
the
cons,
some
of
those
materials
that
should
be
diverted
and
then
everything
else
would
go
to
the
enclave.
So.
L
L
Well,
so
so
for
for
2,
000
tons,
that's
a
big
objective
and-
and
the
interesting
part
too,
is
that,
because
our
plants
are
easy
to
construct
and
because
they're
they're
so
clean,
you
know
that
the
city
can
also
contemplate
multiple
locations
eventually
for
for
a
plant.
But
for
now
we
were
talking
about
putting
a
plant
in
at
a
trail.
Road
of
400
tons
is
what
we
would
like
to
discuss,
which
would
be
40
autoclaves
approximately,
and
so
so
in
that
that
size
of
a
plant
would
be.
You
know.
L
You
can
continue
to
increase
the
scale
of
that
plant
by
adding
additional
autoclaves
and
and
adding
on
to
the
plant
and,
of
course,
the
the
scaling
of
that
plant
wouldn't
be
as
wouldn't
need
as
many
square
feet,
as
you
just
add
autoclaves,
because
you
have
the
front
end
working
of
the
plant
so
to
do
to
do
2000
tons
a
day
which
is
at
trail
road
would
be
80
160.
You
know
200
200,
plus
autoclaves,
right.
L
Yeah,
so
we
would
like
to
negotiate
a
you
know,
we'd
like
to
get
into
discussions
with
you
to
talk
about
the
pilot
project
and
then
the
secondary,
the
second
phase,
which
would
be
a
400
ton
plant,
and
we
would
be
able
to
do
that
with
with
a
tipping
fee
arrangement
and
a
guaranteed
tonnage
based
on
the
city's
appetite
for
for
the
size
of
the
secondary
plant.
There
are.
There
are
economies
of
scale
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind,
which
is
around
400
tons.
L
No
currently,
it's
not
we're
just
we've
just
come
out
of
the
r
d
phase
about
a
year
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
then
we've
also
been
enduring
covet
like
everyone
else.
So
you
know
the
business
development
cycle
was
underway
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
but
definitely
slowed,
but
we
are
in
discussions
with
multiple
municipalities
in
different
parts
of
the
world.
Right
now,.
M
F
L
You
know
the
newer
part
of
the
landfill
has
been
dealt
with,
we've
been
using
auto
shredder
residue
as
cover,
and-
and
it's
pretty
you
know
pretty
modern
waste
so
to
speak.
So
the
the
autoclave
doesn't
care
what
you
put
in
it.
Basically,
like
I
said
it,
can
it
can
process
the
garbage
on
a
snow
day,
the
the
garbage
can
come
in
full
of
snow,
the
the
garbage
can
have,
you
know,
bricks
and
rocks
in
it.
Inert
things
will
not
get
processed.
L
So
when
you
go
to
do
landfill
reclamation,
it's
simply
a
matter
of
you
know,
choosing
a
specific
spot
in
the
landfill
that
we
would
want
to.
You
know,
evacuate
the
existing
old
garbage
and
you
would
simply
just
start
bailing
the
garbage
coming
out
of
the
landfill,
regardless
of
what's
in
it,
and
that
would
immediately
trap
and
stop
any
further
leaching.
It
would
stop
the
odors
as
you're
digging
it
up,
because
I'm
sure
that's
not
going
to
be
a
pretty
affair
and
and
then
you
create
your
fuel
cells
for
processing.
L
So
it's
simply
a
matter
of
digging
it
up,
bailing
it
and
putting
it
in,
and
you
know,
in
sections
of
the
landfill
where
maybe
there
was
a
time
when
soil
soil
was
used
as
coverage,
the
soil
can
go
into
the
autoclave
as
well.
It'll
just
come
out
as
sterilized
soil,
so
it'll
be
soil.
That
can
then
be
used
again
for
something
else
and
and
you
just
simply
dig
it
up
bail,
it
put
it
into
the
autoclave.
F
L
L
If
you
stop
and
realize
what
I
said
about
95
reduction,
so
that's
a
95
reduction
in
in
volume
what's
left
in
the
autoclave
after
that
is
carbon
and
ash
which
can
go
to
another
use
and
then
there's
the
inert
objects
which
really
had
no
business
going
into
a
landfill
to
start
off
with.
So,
although
we
reduced
volume
by
95,
I
think,
on
a
large
scale
and
with
some
with
some
time
on
on
a
commercial
site
such
as
trail
road.
L
I
think
we'll
quickly
discover
that
we're
we're
diverting
we're
successfully
diverting
95
or
actually
greater,
because
we've
actually
successfully
eliminated
all
of
the
municipal
solid
waste.
We,
you
know,
we've
reduced
it
down
to
inert
objects
and
carbon
and
ash
that
can
have
a
use
simply
just
by
going
to
a
concrete
plant
and
being
put
into
concrete
right.
So
I
think
it's,
I
think,
the
success
of
obtaining
the
the
extra
years
on
trail,
road,
even
before
landfill,
could
be
quite
high.
F
L
So
you
know
my
background
is
construction.
It's
a
very
simple
construction
project,
it's
as
simple
as
building
something
similar
that
you
see
with
one
of
the
big
box
stores.
So
it's
a
light.
Industrial
building,
the
longest
lead
items
are
are
about
six
months,
which
is
primarily
the
autoclave
and
the
power
generation
side
of
things
they
both
have
about
a
six-month
lead
so
between
the
engineering
and
design
and
opening
the
plant
engineering
design
would
probably
be
about
six
months
and
then
the
construction
phase
would
be
an
additional
18
months.
F
What
exactly
would
the
city
be
looking
at
to
enter
into
a
pilot,
because
what
I'm
looking
for
is
what
do
you
need
from
us
to
get
into
the
pilot?
But
I
want
to
highlight
what
the
chair
said
earlier
about
we're
probably
going
to
want
to
experiment
with
different
technologies
around
our
waste
flow
and
then
make
a
decision
based
on
that
multiple
pilot
idea.
So
what
would
you
be
looking
for
from
us
to
enter
into
this
pilot.
L
So
so
the
the
first
there
would
be.
You
know
what
I
discussed
the
potential
of
using
the
old
storage
building
for
the
pilot,
which
would
be
helpful
and
and
speed
things
along.
So
there
would
be
the
pilot
phase
of
75
tons,
which
would
which
would
take
us
through
our
environmental
regulations
and
then
the
second
part
of
that
would
be
a
commitment
for
a
400
ton
per
day
agreement
for
for
a
facility,
so
based
on
the
success
of
course,
of
the
pilot
right.
So
it
would
be.
L
You
know
it
would
be
in
one
agreement
where
there's
the
pilot
phase
and
then
on
the
success
of
the
of
the
pilot.
Then
that
would
automatically
launch
us
into
the
the
larger
plant
phase.
So
inside
of
that
agreement
would
be,
you
know
the
guaranteed
tonnage
of
400
tons
per
day.
Ideally,
it's
it's
best
suited
to
locate
the
plant
where
your
garbage
already
goes
due
to
all
the
permitting
requirements
and-
and
then
you
know
that
would
be
based
on
a
on
a
guaranteed
tonnage
and
a
guaranteed
tipping
fee
that
we
would
discuss.
F
L
So
just
so
everybody
knows
you
know,
I'm
also
a
businessman
here
in
the
city,
and
so
I
was
a
a
classical
was
my
client
for
their
entire
lifespan.
I
was
the
electrical
contractor
for
their
entire
life
span
over
on
trail
road.
So
I
got
to
know
the
plasco
story
quite
well,
and
so
where
we
differ-
and
it's
quite
interesting
because
when
this
technology
first
came
up,
I
didn't
even
want
to
look
at
it
because
I'd
been
involved
with
plasco,
and
so
so
when
I
went
down
to
tennessee.
L
Getting
at
that
heats
at
that
at
that
conversion,
step
and
so
they're
still
dealing
with
a
high
level
of
residual
they're
still
dealing
with
creating
dioxins
and
furants
they're,
still
they're
still
stuck
with
creating
fly
ash
and
all
of
the
things
that
had
that
that
plagued
them
to
get
there.
They
also
one
of
the
really
big
differentiators
is
that
we
can
take
the
garbage
right
from
the
truck,
so
the
the
garbage
truck
shows
up
and-
and
we
put
it
straight
into
our
baler
and
wrap
it
it
like.
L
I
said
it
doesn't
matter
if
it
was
a
snow
day
a
rainy
day,
a
dry
day.
You
know
so
so
we
don't
have
to
put
it
through
shredders
and
dryers
and
do
a
whole
bunch
of
pre-processing
to
make
that
work.
That
was
also
that's
also
something
that
that
has
played
technology
similar
to
plasco's,
where
they
just
they
they
had
to
get
everything
to
a
certain
level
before
they
could
treat
it
so
and
the
benefit
of
that.
L
Yes,
there
will
be
the
odd
chesterfield
that
shows
up
in
the
garbage
truck
or
a
mattress,
but
we'll
just
do
those
in
bulk
because
we
can
fit
anything.
That's
about.
You
know
ten
and
a
half
feet
long
into
our
autoclave.
That's
seven
feet
wide,
so
we
will
just.
We
will
just
have
bulk
days
so
we'll
just
pull
the
bulk
items
out
off
to
the
side
and
keep
baling,
and
then
we
can.
We
can
deal
with
the
we
can
deal
with
the
bulk
items.
F
A
Yeah
yeah
we've,
obviously
in
the
lead
up
to
this
I
know
myself
and
staff
have
also
met
with
you,
know:
individuals,
groups
that
want
to
take
on
furniture
they
want
to.
They
want
the
opportunity
to
take
this
stuff
in
ottawa.
So
it's
it's
been
a
fascinating
discussion,
this
entire
master
plan
and
all
the
different
things
that
go
into
it.
Our
next
speaker.
Next
counselor
is
counselor
sean
menard.
G
G
So
the
first
is
around
financial
problems
that
waste
to
energy,
typically
about
twice
as
expensive
as
landfilling,
and
that
incinerators
or
waste
energy
facilities
are
expensive
to
build
and
operate,
and
that
contracts
between
companies
and
cities
typically
include
a
provision
requiring
cities
to
supply
a
minimum
amount
of
garbage
or
pay
a
penalty,
and
that
it
can
lock
cities
into
more
business
as
usual
waste
generation.
So
interesting
how
you
respond
to
that.
L
L
We
aren't
nearly
the
cost
of
an
incinerator,
so
so,
in
general
terms,
we're
below
well
below
the
50
cost
to
us
for
compared
to
incineration,
so
the
their
our
goal
is
that
there
won't
be
these
hidden
agendas
of
of
getting
a
city
shoehorned
into
a
spot
where
they
they
regret
working
with
us,
because
our
capital
costs
as
well
are
much
less
than
incineration
and
much
less
than
some
other
some
other
thermal
treatment
plants
of
gasification
similar
to
the
plasco.
So
our
capital
costs
are
just
way
less.
G
M
M
Host
okay,
so
with
all
the
discussions
to
date,
we're
not
looking
to
take
on
all
waste
going
to
trail
road
land,
it's
all
at
this
current
time.
So
I
think
there
would
be
kind
of
a
substantial
wiggle
room
in
order
to
kind
of
guarantee
that
that
waste
and
then
we've
kind
of
reviewed
the
waste
management
plan
looking
out
from
here
to
2050
and
with
kind
of
the
city,
population
growing
and
requirements
growing,
even
with
extremely
successful
diversion
programs,
there
still
will
be
those
residual
wastes,
as
we
know.
G
So
you
know
a
way
to
improve
sustainability
and
ultimately
eliminate
waste
by
by
constantly
reusing
and
recycling
resources,
so
that
the
the
fuel
that
this
type
of
technology
would
use
some
of
the
the
plastics
and
other
things
like
that
in
a
normal
circular
economy
that
we're
trying
to
strive
for
here
with
better
diversion
would
actually
be
needed.
You
need
that
fuel
that
plastic,
that
those
things
that
would
be
burning
it
could
potentially
be
reused.
So
how
do
you
respond
to
that?.
L
Well,
I
I
you
know,
I
I
agree
with
you.
I
don't
disagree
with
you
that
that
could
provide
a
disincentive.
I
think
we
have
a
fairly
long
road
to
go
to
achieve.
You
know
as
we're
as
I
was
watching
the
slide
presentation
on
the
upcoming.
You
know,
master
plan
creation
and
the
and
the
moves
forward
into
consultation
with
the
with
with
our
citizens
in
ottawa.
It's
still
going
to
be
a
while
and
we
still
have
a.
L
We
still
have
a
fairly
large
problem
today,
and
I
think
that
problem,
I
think,
under
best
efforts
were
like
under
really
great
best
efforts.
We
have
you,
know
a
25
to
50
year.
Road
to
go
to,
you
know,
reduce
really
at
source.
That's,
I
think
the
ultimate
goal
is
to
reducing
its
source
and
not
ending
up
in
our
in
our
creating
this
need
for
this
circular
economy.
So
we
have
a
long
road
to
go
and
we
still
have
a
problem
today.
L
I
mean
reduction,
I
think,
is
the
biggest
hour
that
I
always
favor,
you
know
and
we're
still
just
gonna
have
to
as
a
society
maintain
those
goals
of
those
reductions
to
to
bring
that
down
so
that
you
know
the
ideal
thing
is
that
we
we
we
end
up
having
we
end
up
finding
technology,
let's
say
it's
ours
and
we
end
up.
Let's
say
we
do
end
up
managing
the
2000
tons
a
day
that
goes
to
trail
road
right
now
it
would
be
nice
if
we
can
stop
that
from
growing.
L
G
I
appreciate
that
answer.
Thank
you.
I
think
just
a
last
comment
here
chair
before
I
end
this
is
we
we
in
ottawa
need
to
try
some
other
things
we
haven't
tried
thus
far,
and
that
includes
things
like
the
amount
of
organics
we're
sending
the
landfill
now
and-
and
you
know
getting
better
in
terms
of
our
diversion
looking
at
other
jurisdictions,
where
they're
up
with
60
diversion,
you
know
clear,
clear
bags
for
for
garbage.
G
G
We
need
to
see
those
things
first,
as
as
part
of
the
strategy
before
we
move
down
the
road
of
of
of
this
type
of
of
technology,
though
I
know
we're
going
to
be
exploring
several
different
options
as
we
move
forward,
so
I
you
know,
I
do
appreciate
you
being
here
and
thank
you
for
the
answers.
Thanks
chair.
M
Can
I
just
add
really
quickly
that
you
know,
even
if
we
do
get
to
zero
waste?
There
also
is
the
existing
landfills
and
the
ability
for
us
to
do
landfill
reclamation.
So
you
know,
potentially
the
contract
could
transfer
over
from
the
guaranteed
new
waste
to
existing
waste
that
we
also
have
to
deal
with.
A
Thank
you
thank
you
and
just
to
be
clear.
Our
our
our
plan,
our
master
plan,
is,
is
abundantly
clear
on
that
that
we
want.
You
know
that
five
hour
hierarchy
about
diversion
and
recycling
certainly
comes
before
processing
the
residual
waste.
The
residual
waste
is
at
the
bottom
of
that
of
that
hierarchy.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
do
everything.
The
the
one
I
would
say,
interesting
thing
is
that
when
certain
recyclables
actually
go
through
this
process,
you
can
then
send
them
to
be
recycled.
A
L
A
It's
not
a
lost
opportunity
for
some
of
them,
but
obviously
we
want
to
divert
that
stuff
as
much
as
possible.
The
more
people
don't
put
plastic
bottles
in
their
garbage
bag,
the
better
we'll
all
be.
I
know
councilor
mckinney's
been
been
passionate
on
reducing
the
amount
of
available
plastic
water
bottles
in
the
city
of
ottawa
and
we're
starting
to
get
some
headway
on
that
with
our
our
contract
negotiations.
So
we'll
move
to
councillor
brockington.
I
Thanks
chair,
we've
been
recycling
since
1987.
organic
collection
for
a
decade
and
we
have
a
timeline
identified
on
our
landfill.
I
I
don't
want
us
to
be
thinking
about
building
another
landfill
in
the
city,
so
we
can
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
higher
diversion
rates
which,
as
you've
all
said,
is,
should
be
our
goal.
But
the
reality
is
there's
a
finite
amount
of
time
left
on
this
landfill
and
we
cannot
be
planning
to
build
another
landfill
full
stop.
Every
time
I
speak
in
schools.
I
I
have
a
garbage
component
and
kids
look
at
me
like.
I
have
three
heads
that
we
are
still
doing
the
same
thing
200
years
later,
where
we're
collecting
garbage
we're
driving
to
the
outskirts
of
the
city,
where
there's
a
big
hole,
we're
dumping
it
we're
putting
soil
on
top
and
we're
repeating
that
over
and
over
and
over
again
so
it's
20
21,
and
I
appreciate
the
presentation
today
and
the
technologies
that
exist.
I
I've
been
open-minded
to
incineration,
but
the
two
main
drawbacks
from
what
I
understand
are
air
pollution
and
toxic
byproduct,
which
have
been
very
difficult
to
say.
Yeah.
This
is
a
road
we
should
go
down
and
ignore
the
fact
that
you
know
air
pollution
that
talks
at
byproduct
are
created.
So
I
I
really
appreciate
your
presentation
today.
I
I
I
L
Well,
I
mean
the
the
ideal
client
you
know.
Basically,
if
you
talk
about
art,
it
has
to
do
with
our
economies
of
scale
there.
There
isn't.
There
isn't
much
flexibility
for
municipalities
these
days
to
take
on
large
capital
projects
when
it
comes
to
garbage
right,
it's
a
very
challenging
thing
to
get
to
get
through.
L
Like
you
said,
we
don't
want
to
build
another
landfill
at
two
or
three
hundred
million
dollars,
and
incineration
is
out
of
reach
for
a
lot
of
municipalities,
so
our
our
sort
of
preferred
size,
our
our
main
client,
is
municipalities
that
are
reaching
that
150
to
200
000
marker,
that's
where
they
have
enough.
That's
where
they
have
enough
waste
to
be
able
to
handle
the
business
model
where
we
provide
the
the
upfront
capital
and
put
in
the
plant
on
on
smaller
municipalities.
L
L
We
have
a
few
municipalities
that
are,
you
know,
they've
seen
100
increases
in
their
tipping
fees
over
the
last
three
years,
because
landfills
are
getting
scarce
and
the
cost
of
approvals
and
the
process
to
get
a
new
landfill
is
is
going
up
right.
So
it's
really
you
know
and
then
there's
some
areas
where
they
just
still
have.
L
You
know,
there's
some
spaces
I've
been
to
where
they
just
have
big
wide,
open
landfills,
with
you
know,
decades
and
decades
and
decades
in
front
of
them
and
they're
just
not
interested
yet,
except
for
public
pressure
to
reduce,
recycle
and
eliminate
landfilling
is
rising
right.
So
you
know
what
I'm
seeing
you
know
we're
not
like,
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
we
blanketed
the
world
in
our
sales
pitches,
but
you
know
in
in
canada,
the
united
states
and
in
in
a
few
countries
in
europe.
L
You
know
it's
it's
very
receptive
and
the
discussion
and
the
dialogue
opens
quite
nicely
after
after
presentations
and
a
lot
of
questions
and
answers,
and
so
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
need
for
the
technology,
especially
because
it's
so
clean.
You
know
there
isn't
anything
else
like
what
we've
produced
as
far
as
municipal
solid
waste
technology
conversion.
L
So
it's
it's
it's
a
big
win
for
for
the
city
on
many
fronts.
They
can
avoid
future
capital
costs.
You
start
dealing
with
this
residual
garbage
problem.
That's
filling
up
the
landfills
and
there's
another
there's
another
big
bonus
as
well,
which
we
we
just
sort
of
skimmed
over
in
the
presentation.
But
you
know
this
technology
is
really
quite
a
carbon
credit
atm
machine.
So
you
know
there's
one
thing
to
cap
a
landfill
and
capture
the
methane
and
get
rid
of
some
of
the
some
of
those
issues.
L
But
in
this
you
you
truly
eliminate
the
the
methane
coming
off
of
the
landfill.
So
the
the
methane
is
gone.
You
capture
those
carbon
credits
and
then
for
the
fact
of
making
electricity
from
the
synthetic
gas
that
comes
off
of
the
the
processing.
You
know
the
the
carbon
credits
are
even
higher.
You
know,
so
it's
it's!
It's
about
it's
somewhere
between
you
know,
14
to
20
percent
of
a
municipality's
carbon
footprint
is
the
is
the
is
the
garbage
after
we've
created
electricity
from
it.
I
D
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
and
thanks
for
your
local
contributions
over
the
years
as
well.
I
know
you're
you're,
a
well-respected
business
person
in
our
community.
So
thank
you
for
for
that
service.
Thank
you
I.
I
will
be
very
blunt.
This
looks
a
lot
like
vaporware.
I
I
don't
see
an
actual
product
that
is
working
today,
especially
at
scale
just
googling
around.
I
took
a
look:
there's
a
company
also
in
tennessee
called
wasteaway.
D
L
No
and
we're
we
have
a
patented
technology
for
using
an
autoclave
to
thermally
convert
to
thermally
convert.
I
have
actually
haven't
heard
of
wasteway,
so
I
mean
there's
always
someone
new
popping
into
the
marketplace
and
we'll
we'll
go
and
check
them
out
to
see
if
there's
any
patent
issues
there,
but
as
far
as
far
as
scalability
council
leaper,
you
know
so
down
in
tennessee
you
we,
we
do
have
a
functioning
plant.
We
actually
have
a
plant,
that's
you
know
permanent.
L
It's
permitted
for
commercial
use
as
well,
so
we're
actually
in
the
spot
where
we
we
can
commercially
process
municipal
solid
waste.
We
still
operate
it
as
a
research
and
development
facility
because
we
do
have
you
know
there
is
there's
every
day
we
learn
something
new
about
how
how
and
what's
happening
inside
of
our
autoclaves
for
processing
municipal
solid
waste,
and
we
also
run.
We
also
run
test
batches
for
clients
down
there
who
have
challenging
waste
streams.
So,
as
an
example
we're
we
just
finished,
we
just
finished
processing
waste
from
a
particle
board
manufacturer.
L
They
make
particle
boards
laminates
all
sorts
of
things
and
they
have
very
very
nasty
waste
streams
and
they
have
about
14
factories
in
the
united
states,
so
so
that
we
just
finished
processing
things
that
no
one
could
process
in
our
autoclave.
So
as
far
as
being
able
to
you
know
see
it
working,
you
can
see
it
working
as
far
as
scaling
it.
The
real
beauty
of
this
is
that
we're
not
going
to
make
an
autoclave
the
size
of
constitution
square.
L
You
know
we're
not
going
to
be
taking
an
autoclave
technology
that
we
have
perfected
municipal,
solid
waste
inside
of
and
then
start
making
it
the
size
of
a
downtown
office
building
to
take
400
tons
a
day.
Our
scalability
really
comes
from
we
perfected
a
black
box
and
now
we're
going
to
add
multiple
black
boxes
inside
of
a
building.
Yes,
rather
than
making
one
huge
autoclave,
we
are
just
adding
modules
on
to
allow
to
allow
for
the
tonnage
required.
So
scalability
isn't
the
same
issue
as
you
would
have
seen
on.
L
No,
our
current,
our
current
research
and
development
facility
is
actually
quite
small.
It's
actually
a
two
autoclave
little
plant
and
and
we
really
just
test
waste
there.
We
just
drive
this
machine
as
hard
as
we
can
every
single
day.
You
know
the
other
day.
We're
now
experimenting
with
tires
on
their
own.
So
the
other
day
we
process
50
tires
in
a
batch,
and
the
only
thing
left
was
the
steel
belts
and
the
small
pile
of
carbon
and
ash.
L
You
know
so
so
we're
constantly
testing
different
waste
streams
and
different
different
avenues
that
people
are
bringing
us
that
and
their
potential
future
clients
that
we're
doing
this.
This
work
for
right,
so
you
know
like
as
I,
as
I
mentioned,
the
the
particle
board
company
is
now
engaged
for
a
plant
on
their
factory
to
deal
with
their
waste
streams,
because
their
waste
streams
are
becoming
more
and
more
complex
and
more
and
more
expensive
to
handle.
D
Okay
and
thank
you
very
much
for
addressing
the
the
patent
question,
that's
that
when
I
take
a
look
at
you
know
the
what
looks
to
be
a
few
different
companies
who
are
competing
in
this
space.
I
guess
to
become
the
leader
patent
issues,
do
make
me
nervous
in
terms
of
working
with
a
partner,
so
how
many
municipalities
in
north
america
are
you
set
to
make
agreements
with?
Would
we
be
the
first.
L
So
we
do
have
a
we.
We
do
have
an
mou
with
the
municipality
where
we're
actually
located
just
outside
of
chattanooga
we're
in
a
small
municipality,
probably
very
similar
to
arm
prior,
and
they
they
they
sit,
surrounded
by.
You
know
five
or
six
counties
that
also
have
you
know,
towns,
the
same
same
size
of
our
empire,
and
so
those
those
counties
are
right
now
applying
for
grants.
L
They
do
need
grants
to
offset
the
the
size
of
the
plant
because
the
tonnage
is
going
to
be
under
200
tons
a
day
for
those
for
those
counties,
but
that
we,
we
have
signed
an
mou
with
them
to
to
a
lot,
and
it
was.
It
was
part
and
parcel
both
ways.
So
we
could
all
understand
the
process
that
we're
in
and
as
well.
L
They
also
needed
that
documentation
to
be
able
to
start
applying
for
the
the
grants
that
they're
going
after
so
they
they
and
they
have
started
to
have
success
so
with
the
granting
process,
and
the
discussions
are
now
starting
to
open
about
time
frames
in
regards
to
so
that's
the
one
municipality,
united
states.
We
have
a
few
other
municipalities
in
the
states,
but
they're
earlier
on
very
similar
to
the
stages
that
we're
at
with
you
and
then
in
europe.
We're
a
little
bit
further
along
where
we're
we're
into
the
next
level.
L
Where
the
the
a
couple
of
municipalities
in
the
eu,
they
have
a
very
large
grant
available
for
dealing
with
solid
waste,
and
so
there's
several
municipalities
that
are
now
making
their
applications
for
the
granting
process
to
help
them
with,
with
with
the
you
know
how
they
want
to
structure
it
over
there.
Their
model
over
there
is
not
to
have
us
own
and
operate
they'd
prefer
to
own
and
operate
and
we'd
be
providing
support.
D
L
D
H
Thank
you,
chair
and
I'd
really
like
to
thank
landero
for
the
very
informative
presentation
about
this
different
type
of
gasification.
Technology
we'd
acknowledge
it's
it's
different
than
a
typical
incinerator,
technology
and
and
other
gasification
technologies.
As
you've
noted
that
you're
burning,
I
guess
at
a
lower
temperature
than
than.
L
Counselor
king,
can
I
just
I
gotta
step
in
on
that
one,
so
we
actually
never
have
combustion
inside
of
our
inside
of
our
autoclave.
So
we
actually
don't
burn
the
garbage.
We
do
use
an
outside
fuel
source
to
get
the
charcoal
started
and
then
that's
the
last
time
that
a
flame
ever
enters
and
it
doesn't
touch
the
municipal
solid
waste
it.
It
only
touches
the
the
charcoal
at
the
bottom
and
after
that,
it's
actually
a
rising
heat
temperature
that
thermally
converts.
So
we
actually
don't
we
don't.
H
They
think
yeah
you
you
have
painted
that
that
picture
for
us.
So
that's
what
I'm
acknowledging
that
it
is
incineration,
as,
as
anybody
would
think
of
this,
this
is
gasification
and
it's
different,
but
we've
been
talking
primarily
about
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
outputs
and
obviously
you're
saying
that
we're
we're
going
to
see
more
efficiencies
there.
If
this
type
of
technology
is
is
adopted,
I'm
wondering
about
the
inputs
of
the
natural
gas.
L
Yeah,
so
so
there's
there's
two
parts
to
that
question.
The
first
part
is
it's:
it's
about
between
two
to
three
cubic
feet
of
natural
gas,
for
every
12
tons
of
of
municipal,
solid
waste,
that's
processed!
So
that's
a
very
low
amount.
It's
just
enough
to
get
that
charcoal
turning
red.
You
know
downstream.
We
produce
an
immense
amount
of
synthetic
gas.
So
you
know
our
goal
is
to
examine
the
technologies.
L
We
can
quite
easily
capture
our
own
synthetic
gas,
but
we
haven't
done
the
r
d
on
on
capturing
that
cooling
it
and
then
and
storing
it.
So
you
know
downstream
of
of
our
initial
first
few
plants
we're
going
to
be
experimenting
with
using
our
own
synthetic
gas
and
not
needing
new
external
outputs
beyond
the
initial
start
plant
that
the
plants
start
up,
as
I
mentioned
with,
as
I
mentioned
with
the
water,
did
I
mention
the
water
issue
yet
atlanta
no
way
so
so
it's
a
really
fascinating
technology.
L
So
in
the
beginning
you
need
to
use
outside
inputs.
One
of
them
is
natural
gas
to
start
the
process,
the
other
one
that
we
need
an
outside
input
of
is
water
for
our
processing,
but
once
you've
run
the
plant
for
a
certain
amount
of
time,
which
is
quite
a
short
amount
of
time,
we
actually
will
be
self-sustaining
after
that,
so
we
produce
our
own
electricity,
we
produce
our
own
gas
and
we
produce
our
own
water.
We
just
need
outside
inputs
to
get
started
now
on
the
natural
gas
side
of
things.
L
We
are
not
in
in
a
spot
initially
to
be
able
to
harness
our
own
synthetic
gas,
because
there's
there's
quite
a
cost
to
doing
that
r
d
to
figure
that
out,
but
people
are
doing
it
all
over
the
place.
It's
just
not
something
that
we
we're
spending
our
time
on
right
now,
but
it's
in
it's
in
their
future
planning
to
harness
their
own
synthetic
gas
and
really
need
the
outside
inputs
to
start
the
plant,
and
then
it's
actually
fully
self-sustaining.
L
H
Operations.
Okay.
Thank
you
chair.
I
was
just
curious
about
the
the
inputs
because
obviously
the
the
inputs
are
can
be
as
impactful
as
the
engines
and
outputs
so
that
that
was
an
item
that
I
didn't
really
hear
address.
But
what
you're
really
saying
is
that
the
tech,
the
inputs
are
used
to
really
start
this
cycle
and
then
the
cycle
in
a
sense
is
self-sustaining.
L
Absolutely
self-sustaining:
we
we
use,
we
use
between
five
to
fifteen
minutes
of
outside
fuel
source
to
start
the
cycle,
and
after
that
the
entire
processing
inside
of
the
autoclave
is
self-sustaining
and
we
just
continuously
control
it
with
air
flow
and
oxygen
deprivation
and
and
water
for
quenching
and
so
and
then
municipal
solid
waste
also
gives
off
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
water
as
well
and
synthetic
gas.
Therefore,
we're
going
to
be
self-sustaining.
H
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
a
very
good
presentation
and
some
of
the
questions
been
answered,
but
I
have
a
a
quick
couple,
quick
question.
John.
You
explained
that
you
need
you
need
some
time
before
this.
The
facilities
start
producing
its
its
own
sources.
Like
council,
king
was
asking
what
is
that
time
frame
like
what
are
we
talking
about
and
how
many
thousand,
how
many
tons
of
of
garbage
you're
looking
for.
L
As
for,
and
so
as
far
as
tonnage
goes,
you
know
the
the
ideal
plant
size
is
around
400
tons
per
day,
so
around
400
tons
per
day
after
the
pilot
process
right.
So
the
the
pilot,
the
pilot
stage,
would
be
around
a
75
ton
per
day
facility
and
that's
what's
required
to
go
through
a
piloting
process
in
ontario.
C
L
And-
and
I
mean
it's
interesting
because
it's
the
same
process-
we
went
through
in
tennessee
for
our
r
d
facility.
You
know
we
were
given
an
r
d
pilot
permit
at
first
and
then
we
had
to
come
back
and
start
to
validate
that
permit
through
the
piloting
process
stage
and
that's
what
led
to
our
commercial
permitting.
C
Thank
you.
So
there
is,
I
we
don't
see
any
hurdle
or
any.
We
could
work
with
the
minister
of
environment
if
we
wanted
to
move
forward
with
this
pilot
project
and
we
don't
see
any
delay
and
what
is
the
time
frame
you're
thinking
like
what
do
you
think
that
we
need
a
time
frame
for
us
to
start
a
pilot
project.
L
C
A
All
right,
thank
you,
councillor
deruse.
I
don't
see
any
more
questions
so
appreciate.
I
know.
Obviously
this
has
sparked
a
lot
of
discussion
and
I
appreciate
the
questions
from
every
member
of
the
committee
and
I
think
the
I
think
the
presenter
does
as
well.
I
think
it's
helpful
to
understand
just
the
perspectives
of
various
counselors.
Obviously
this
is
you
know
if
we
were
talking
about
an
actual
incinerator,
durham
style
incinerator.
I
think
we
know
where,
where
many
counselors
stand.
A
I
think
this
is
a
bit
of
a
different
scenario
and
I
think
from
the
counselors
the
questions
from
council
monarch,
king.
I
think
you
see
that
there
are
certain
perspectives
that
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
covering
off
as
a
city,
because
these
things
aren't,
you
know
necessarily
slam
dunk
obvious
decisions,
they're
things
that
take
time
and
they
take
a
lot
of
sort
of
thoughtful
consideration.
A
So
when
it
comes
time
for
staff,
I
know
that
will
mcdonald's
is
here
as
well:
our
procurement,
our
chief
primary
officer,
as
well
as
staff
from
the
landfill
and
from
solid
waste
services.
Obviously,
so,
thank
you,
johannes.
Thank
you.
Alana
appreciate
your
attendance
here.
Vince
and
spencer,
we
didn't
hear
from
you,
but
I
appreciate
that
appreciate
seeing
you
on
the
camera
good
to
see
you
again.
A
A
E
We
also
support
the
guiding
principles
and
goals,
although
we
do
have
specific
concerns
and
questions
which
I
will
discuss
in
a
minute.
The
long
list
of
options
appears
to
be
comprehensive
and
identifies
opportunities
and
best
practices
that
could
be
applied
in
ottawa.
We
do
have
a
one
one
suggestion
for
an
additional
option:
mandatory
waste
diversion
at
all
city
facilities,
which
is
option
2
b2,
is
a
really
good
idea,
but
addressing
the
city's
own
waste
footprint
could
be
further
supported
by
the
development
of
a
zero
waste.
E
Green
procurement
policy
that
would
encourage
such
things
of
the
purchase
of
materials
with
recycled
content,
there's
no
silver
bullet
or
black
box.
That's
going
to
make
waste
going
away,
reaching
a
zero
waste
future
with
aggressive
waste
reduction
and
enhanced
waste
diversion
are
going
to
require
sustained
effort
and
the
implementation
of
a
wide
range
of
mutually
supported
policies,
programs
and
waste
management
systems.
Trail
road
is
a
unique
and
valuable
asset.
E
Wastewatch
ottawa
supports
the
goal
of
achieving
100
greenhouse
gas
emission
reductions
from
the
waste
management
system.
That
said,
we
still
haven't
seen
the
baseline
greenhouse
gas
analysis
of
the
current
waste
management
system.
This
data
will
be
critical
to
conducting
a
comparative
assessment
of
the
greenhouse
gas
impacts
of
the
proposed
options.
E
We
must
be
alert
to
how
subjective
the
options
assessment
process
could
become
unless
we
are
very
careful
to
avoid
such
a
concern.
The
five-tier
color
rankings,
the
overall
category
score
and
the
6.66
point
weighting
calculation
needs
more
explanation
and
transparency
and
public
participation
to
ensure
broad
buy-in,
we'd
like
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
how
counselors
and
stakeholders
will
be
participating
in
the
evaluation
process.
So
a
little
bit
more
clarity,
which
I
imagine
will
be
forthcoming,
is
needed
on
that.
Where
are
the
waste
diversion
targets
committing
to
a
zero
waste?
E
E
There
is
a
need
for
regular
annual
reporting
on
the
status
of
a
city's
waste
management
system,
and
this
takes
on
even
more
importance
of
the
waste
plan.
Implementation
rolls
out.
The
reporting
should
include
an
analysis
of
whether
we
are
saving
money
by
using
in-house
collection
services
rather
than
contracting
error.
As
a
transition
to
the
new
producer
responsibility
framework
takes
hold
a
regular
monitoring
of
in-house
and
contracted
services
needs
to
be
undertaken.
Future
contracting
options
need
to
be
considered
one
minute
remaining.
E
In
conclusion,
there
are
no
quick
fixes,
and
in
this
regard
I
might
just
take
a
little
moment
to
to
note
about
the
landera
proposal.
I
would
suggest
you
add
it
to
the
list
of
options
for
evaluation
under
the
general
heading
of
residuals
waste
management.
Please
don't
compromise
the
public
engagement
or
the
assessment
process
by
appearing
to
favor,
one
particular
technology
or
approach
before
you've
even
decided
on
a
residuals
waste
management
policy.
E
A
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
bury,
I
would
say
one
thing
about
the
plasco
one
of
the
biggest
issues
I
think
we
had
with
that
was
exclusivity,
putting
ourselves
into
an
agreement
where
there
was
only
one
option
and
not
really
being
able
to
do
anything
until
that
option
subsided,
which
eventually
was
their
bankruptcy.
That
caused
that.
But
we
were,
we
were
tied
to
them
and
I
think
any
future
agreement
the
city
gets
into.
They
have
to
avoid
exclusivity,
because
if
something
fails
we
shouldn't
be
tied
to
it.
We
have
to.
A
We
need
to
be
able
to
move
on,
and
I
think
if
there's
you
know,
we've
been
approached
too
they're
not
here
today,
but
we've
been
approached
to
myself.
I
know
council
al-shanteria
had
spoken
to
this
group
as
well
sustain
which
you've
probably
heard
of
they're
out
of
halifax.
They
have
a
test
facility
which
I
believe
is
either
operational
or
soon
to
be
in
chester,
nova
scotia.
A
So
that's
another
group
that
has
been
you
know
has
approached
us.
We
have
other
municipalities
that
approach
us
too,
and
they
they
want
to
couple
in
with
other
with
other
technologies,
but
all
they
want
from
us
is
our
waste
and
I'm
not
as
keen
on
that,
so
they
want
to.
They
want
to
open
up
a
facility
somewhere
else.
Let's
say
I'll
give
an
example
of
the
pontiac
region
and
they
want
our
waste
because
they
need
the
guaranteed
waste
stream.
A
So
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
cautionary
tales
with
plasco
and
we
have
to
make
sure
we
learn
from
those
before
we
enter
into
anything.
So
obviously
agree
with
you
and
I
think
that
the
discussion
today,
I
think
it
fits
because,
obviously,
with
the
quasi
off-ramp
of
the
residual
waste
management
strategy,
it's
certainly
somewhere,
where
we
are
looking
at
what
we
can
do
about
that
that
landfill
long
term.
A
G
Thanks
very
much
chair
and
yeah.
I
also
appreciate
your
delegation
here
today
from
wastewatch
ottawa,
appreciate
that
the
endorsement
of
the
the
zero
waste
ottawa
vision,
the
guiding
principles
and
the
goals
and
the
the
long
list
that
has
been
released,
and
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
We
need
to
go
through
that
process
before
anything
else
you
know
is,
is
signed
to
that
sort
of
thing.
I
did
want
to
raise
a
couple
of
pieces
that
came
out
in
your
presentation.
G
E
I
think
it's
just
a
companion
piece
to
the
whole
notion
of
dealing
with
the
city's
waste
footprint,
which
is
surprisingly
large.
I
think
what
was
the
number
eight
nine
percent
of
the
weights
we
disposed
of
is
generated
from
city
facilities,
so
I
think
what
the
city
needs
to
do
is
to
support
as
best
as
they
can
shifting
to
that
circular
economy,
that
a
plan
talks
about,
and
that
means
in
fact
providing
markets
for
things
like
waste
plastics.
E
One
of
the
issues
with
plastics
of
historically
been
markets
have
been
a
real
challenge
and
particularly
since
china
legitimately
closed
the
border
to
all
of
our
nasty
plastic
waste.
So
if
you
in
fact
build
into
your
procurement
policies,
requirements
such
as
any
packaged,
good
or
anything
the
city
buys
has
a
certain
amount
of
recycled
content
is
just
one
example
or
meets
certain
greenhouse
gas
objectives
that
you
could
support
the
bigger
picture
of
the
circular
economy.
G
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
I
will
be
asking
staff
about
the
point
you
raised
around
our
ghg
data
on
the
the
baseline
for
the
waste
management
system
in
open
session.
So
I'll
ask
that
question
of
them.
Thank
you
for
raising
that
as
well.
Today,
you
also
ask
a
question
around
stakeholders
in
the
general
public
participating
in
helping
to
assess
and
rank
the
triple
bottom
line
elements
for
each
of
the
options.
E
E
That's
really
what
we're
arguing
in
this
particular
case
and
and
it's
encouraging
to
see
that
the
city
has
got
the
amount
of
response
it
has
and
despite
the
challenges
of
the
pandemic,
and
we
just
need
to
kind
of
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
be
as
open
to
that
and
that
when
people
are
looking
at
excuse
me
looking
at
options
that
they
in
fact
have
a
fair
understanding
of
what
the
balance
of
that
is
and
and
have
some
opportunity
to
maybe
even
score
them
themselves.
We'll
do
that,
certainly
on
the
sounding
board.
G
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Council
menard.
I
don't
see
any
of
the
questions
from
members
of
committee,
so
thank
you,
mr
bury
appreciate,
as
always,
your
attendance
here
and
your
engagement
and
we
move
on
now
to
kate
rickey,
who
has
just
turned
her
camera
on
and
she's
here
with
community
associations
for
environmental
sustainability,
cafes.
M
Yeah
thanks
chair
moffitt
and
counselors
and
city
staff,
nice
to
see
you
all
again
after
a
long
hiatus.
A
few
words
about
cafes,
whom
I'm
representing
today
cafes,
is
a
network
of
residents,
groups
and
citizens
associations
in
ottawa.
We
were
established
in
2010
and
and
we
want
to
support
effective
local
environmental
action
on
this
unseated
algonquin
territory.
M
You
know
which
really
means
that
there
is
no
waste
right,
that
that
waste
is
not
thought
of
as
waste,
but
it's
a
resource
that
that
value
can
be
derived
from
so
cafes
works
closely
with
wastewatch
ottawa
and
is
fully
supportive
of
all
the
points
that
duncan
raised
just
now,
including
the
need
for
measurable
diversion
targets,
ghd
baseline
data
and
transparency
in
the
evaluation
methodology
in
november.
I
think
it
was
cafes
and
wastewatch
ottawa.
M
I
did
a
little
check
of
of
of
the
long
list
and
I'd
like
to
highlight,
however,
a
few
of
our
recommendations
that
appear
not
to
have
been
taken
on
board,
or
at
least
duly
emphasized
in
in
this
long
list.
The
first
thing
that
we
had
recommended
was
a
bylaw
banning
the
commercial
use
and
sale
of
all
unnecessary,
single-use
plastic
items
that
are
not
easily
recyclable
and,
of
course,
we
know
that
bands
of
certain
plastic
items
are
being
considered
at
other
levels
of
government.
M
Another
of
our
key
proposals
that
we
had
made
was
to
allocate
significant
resources
to
programs
that
seek
to
change
consumption
patterns
and
reduce
waste
through
product,
reuse,
repair
and
refurbishing,
and
on
this
point
we're
really
pleased,
I
have
to
say,
to
see
such
a
wide
range
of
options
presented
relating
to
waste
avoidance,
reduction
and
reuse,
and
we
really
endorse
this
general
thrust.
But
in
terms
of
funding,
it's
really
important
that
we
allocate
sufficient
city
funding
for
these
options
and
not
to
be
relying
on.
M
M
M
M
Many
of
the
proposed
technologies
from
mass
burn
incineration
to
pyrolysis
to
gasification
like
we
like
we
just
heard-
are
energy
intensive
and
can
have
substantial
carbon
footprints,
although
these
can
also
produce
energy.
Their
offsetting
potential
is
only
partial
and
reduced
over
time,
as
our
existing
energy
grid
becomes
greener.
M
So,
in
conclusion,
we
think
in
general,
the
city
is
generally
on
the
right
track
in
terms
of
shifting
the
focus
from
end-of-life
waste
management
towards
more
circular
approaches,
focusing
upstream
and
on
waste
reduction,
and
we
hope
that
these
points
will
be
considered
and,
of
course,
we
look
forward
to
the
next
phase
of
engagement
on
the
plan.
Thank
you.
G
Thanks
very
much
for
being
here
really
nice
to
see
you,
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
have
any
advice
for
us
on
that
engagement
as
it
comes
there's
a
lot
planned.
This
is
one
of
the
things
moving
through
council
now
and
in
the
next
term
of
council.
Is
there
anything
that
you
would
really
like
to
see
as
part
of
that
engagement
process
that
you're,
not
necessarily
seeing
in
the
plan
now.
M
Another
element
that
that
I
we
didn't
see
highlighted
in
the
report,
but
I
think,
is
really
super
important-
is
the
issue
of
bioplastics
and
and
although
it's
kind
of
there's
a
lot
of
really
good
public
education
work
that
that
is
being
proposed
as
part
of
the
the
long
list
of
options.
But
I
think
bioplastics.
M
It
merits
some
focused
attention
because
it's
it's
a
real
nut
to
crack.
We
have
to
educate
people
on
how
how
to
dispose
properly
of
all
the
different
types
of
bioplastics,
and
we
also
need
to
make
sure
that
our
composting
or
whatever
kinds
of
organic
waste
management
facilities
can
handle
bioplastics.
They
represent
a
huge
opportunity,
but
with
certain
risks,
and
we
need
to
keep
that
engagement
up.
Those
would
be
two
that
I
would
recommend.
B
Thank
you,
chair
thanks,
kate,
cafes,
for
being
back
at
committee.
Your
input
is
always
greatly
appreciated.
Of
course,
I
just
want
to
circle
back
around
to
your
notion
of
you
know:
changing
consumption
patterns
and
single-use
plastics,
and
you
know
what
what
is
within
our
purview
as
as
a
city
and
chair
moffat
mentioned
at
the
beginning
that
we've
been
working
towards
this,
so
we
had
a
motion
that
we
passed.
B
That's
that's!
You
know
delivered
to
us
in
in
these
plastic
bottles,
and
we
know
that
most
of
those
bottles
end
up
in
the
waste
stream.
They
don't
go
into
into
recycling,
and
you
see-
and
I
have
some
some
questions
to
staff
on
this,
because
I,
but
do
you
see
any
other
way
of
changing
that
behavior
and
changing
that
type
of
consumption
pattern
without
two
things:
a
bad
like
almost
an
outright
ban
like
you.
M
Yeah
no
you're
right
the
drinking
the
the
the
plastic
bottle
issue
is
another
difficult
nut
to
crack
and
I
was
you
know
dismayed
to
find
that
that
still,
even
despite
your
motion
from
last
year,
there's
still
we're
still
working
on
finalizing
those
contracts
seems
to
take
an
awful
long
time.
I
think
you're
right
that
that
it
will
involve
a
mixture
of
policy
levers.
I
mean
yes,
one
can
outrage,
ban
things
and
eventually
that
will
lead
to
to
behavioral
change.
M
There's
some
there
seems
to
be
no
institutional
home
for
who
who's
going
to
be
leading
this.
This.
This
effort
to
to
to
educate
people
on
the
quality
of
our
water,
there's,
there's
many
different
citizen
initiatives
that
we
can.
We
can
work
with
and
and
in
terms
of
lowering
consumption
rates.
I
think
it's.
The
city
does
need
to
play
a
role
and
it
can
be,
it
can
be
highlighting
good
practices.
Businesses
that
are
that
are
working
towards
circular
approaches
should
be
highlighted.
M
Highlighting
good
practices
or
looking
at
other
municipalities
that
are
doing
it
better
than
we
are
and
what
are
they
doing
so,
I
think
there's
a
lot
that
can
be
worked
from
we're,
not
in
this
alone,
other
other
jurisdictions
are
are
working
through
these
same
issues,
learning
from
others,
good
experiences
and
and
and
working
through
a
variety
of
policy
levers,
some
of
the
regulatory
others,
incentivization
and
and
eliciting
and
valorizing
local
efforts.
I
think
it's
gotta
be
a
mix
of
everything.
B
Yeah
yeah.
No,
I
appreciate
that
and
just
appreciate
your
your
insight
into
that
and
I've
had
the
discussions
with
staff
and
certainly
I
don't
think
they
disagree,
but
we
have
to.
We
have
to
find
what
works
and
and
move
forward
on,
just
reducing
it
completely
and
changing
those
behaviors.
So
thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
I
appreciate
the
the
response.
A
Thank
you.
I
will
just
mention
one
thing.
I
know
councilor
mckenney
had
clarified
this
on
on
social
media
as
well
that
the
contracting
thing
wasn't
necessarily
a
an
issue
of
staff.
Taking
you
know
too
much
time.
It's
literally.
We
had
contracts
up
until
a
certain
point,
and
the
motion
was
always
about
negotiating
those
next
contracts,
but
I
think
it
was.
There
was
still
about
18
months
or
or
two
years
left
in
those
contracts
at
that
time.
Is
that
right?
It.
B
Was
it
was
actually
a
volume
we
had
to?
We
we
had
to
get
through
a
certain
volume
which
was
unfortunate
but
covert
of
the
course
and
shutting
down
our
facilities
meant
that
the
volume
was
not
moving.
So
you
know
I
staff
have
gone
back
and,
and
there
are
for
the
negotiations
and
my
understanding
actually
working
with
council,
menard
and
staff
is
that
they
are.
You
know
coming
up
coming
to
an
agreement
that
we
will
not
have
plastic
bottles
in
city
facilities.
B
So
there's
some
good
news,
certainly,
but
that-
and
I
think
that
that's
as
a
result-
because
I
don't
think
pepsi
and
coke
do
things-
I
mean
I've
never
worked
for
them,
but
they
do
what
they
do
for
profit,
and
I
think
change
of
behavior
is
what
drives
that
right.
I
think
people
are
just
demanding
something
different,
so
so
we
have
to
just
take
advantage
of
that
and
make
sure
that
our
water
is
just
promoted
and.
A
G
G
I
read
randall
bentley's
article
recently
and
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that,
regardless
of
where
we
go
in
the
next
little,
while
just
simply
saying
we're
just
going
to
keep
adding
landfills
and
adding
landfills-
or
you
know
other
technologies
and
incineration
sort
of
thing
and
just
accepting
the
problem
as
it
is,
isn't
going
to
work,
there
needs
to
be
some
change
we
need
to.
We
need
to
do
more,
reducing
we're
using
recycling
and,
of
course,
we're
moving
towards
that
circular
economy,
regardless
of
other
landfill
sites
or
other
technologies
that
emerge.
G
This
is
important
for
us
to
move
towards
that.
So
I
think
staff
have
done
a
really
good
job
and
have
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
where
we
are
today.
So,
thank
you
so
much
for
everything
you've
done.
I
just
I'll
go
through
a
few
questions.
I
mentioned
them
in
the
delegations
that
I
would
be
asking
around
them.
G
So
in
terms
of
the
I'll
start
on
the
procurement
policy-
and
I
know
will
will
is
here,
is:
is
there
a
move
afoot-
and
I
know
we've
talked
about
this
before
in
the
development
of
a
more
zero-waste
green
procurement
policy,
that
that
would
encourage
things
like
the
purchase
of
materials
with
recycled
content
and
a
consideration
of
this
for
the
future.
How
are
we
going
about
that
work
to
match
what
our
goals
are
in
this?
In
this
plan,.
C
C
In
addition,
the
policies
that
underpin
a
lot
of
the
work
of
the
operational
areas
inform
what
happens
and
as
an
example,
things
like.
The
green
building
policy
have
an
impact
on
the
type
of
structures
that
are
being
developed
and
the
specifications
that
inform
them,
and
so
these
are
really
important
that
they
happen
in
tandem,
because,
as
a
zero
emission
bus
report
highlighted,
there
are
several
operational
considerations
that
need
to
be
assessed
in
developing
a
procurement
strategy,
and
so
they
can't
be
done
in
isolation.
G
That's
great
to
hear:
is
there
going
to
be
a
focus
on
on
zero
waste
or
that
as
a
goal
through
all
all
of
our
procurement?
I
know
you're,
saying
not
a
specific
policy,
but
how?
How
are
you
going
to
focus
on
that?
What
are
we
going
to
do
in
terms
of
talking
to
staff
to
make
sure
that
that
is
a
priority.
C
So,
mr
chair,
I
don't
think
that
could
be
directed
at
the
procurement
level.
I
think
this
needs
to
be
done
in
tandem
with
the
operational
areas
and
the
procurement
process
developed
to
achieve
the
objectives
of
the
project
at
hand,
and
so
where
a
decision
is
made
to
procure
in
a
in
a
zero
waste
spent
with
a
zero
waste
specification,
the
procurement
policy
would
be
developed
to
to
mirror
that
and
to
achieve
that
objective.
G
Okay,
thanks
very
much
will
I
appreciate
that
there's
another
question
that
was
asked
during
the
delegations
or
referenced
around
the
baseline
greenhouse
gas
analysis
of
of
current
waste
management
system
and
how
critical
that's
going
to
be
in
terms
of
conducting
a
comparative
assessment
and
the
impact
of
the
proposed
options,
which
is
which
is
part
of
our
assessment
criteria.
Of
course.
So
you
know.
Wastewater
has
mentioned
that
the
data
has
has
been
talked
about
before
but
hasn't
been
released.
Yet
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
get
an
update
from
staff
on
that.
K
K
So
we
do
intend
on
meeting
with
the
stakeholder
sounding
board
later
this
summer
as
an
opportunity
to
work
through
some
of
the
contents
that
have
been
shared
today
as
part
of
the
phase
two
master
plan
report
and
we'll
also
be
looking
to
share
the
results
of
the
ghd
baseline
information
and
then
moving
forward
as
part
of
the
next
stage
of
the
master
planning
processes.
Once
we're
evaluating
and
shortlisting
those
options
into
those
two
moderate
and
aggressive
scenarios,
we'll
then
be
able
to
model
out
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
potential.
G
G
But
of
course
it
will
take
a
lot
of
time
to
get
anywhere
close
to
that,
and
so
those
progressive
targets,
as
we
move
along,
is
going
to
be
important,
obviously
in
our
landfill
life,
but
but
for
other
reasons
as
well.
So
I
I
just
wonder
in
terms
of
where
we
are
now,
which
is
you
know,
low
low
to
mid
40
and
some
other
cities
achieving
a
much
higher
diversion
target.
How
how
are
we
going
to
be
implementing
our
own
targets?
What
what
are
the?
G
K
Thank
you
councillor,
so,
mr
chair,
that
is
part
of
I
guess
the
next
stage
of
the
master
plan
process
that
we
will
be
working
with
the
community
and
stakeholders
as
part
of
the
next
engagement
series
seeking
their
input
on
proposed
targets.
So
once
we
are
shortlisting
the
options
and
putting
together
the
moderate
and
aggressive
scenarios,
we'll
also
be
developing
a
suite
of
proposed
targets
working
alongside
our
stakeholder
sounding
board
later
this
summer
as
well.
To
have
conversations
on
that,
and
that,
of
course,
will
once
we're
seeking
that
input
from
the
community.
K
In
terms
of
those
targets.
They
will
make
their
way
into
the
the
recommended
draft
strategy
as
that
opportunity
to
recognizing
where
those
targets
are
and
what
the
different
performance
measures
and
and
how
we're
ranking
that
regular
performance
reporting
in
terms
of
what
the
targets
are
that
we've
set
out
to
achieve.
G
I
guess
our
need
to
move
quickly
on
some
of
these
aspects
and-
and
I
say
that
on
some
of
the
simple,
simple,
simple
ones
that
that
I
think
are
slam
dunks.
They
meet
our
criteria,
they're
they're
right
there.
So
just
in
terms
of
timeline,
are
we
going
to
see
any
changes
to
our
own
waste
management
systems
prior
to
the
start
of
the
next
term
of
council?
So
you
know,
I
think
we
said
q1
2023
is
when
final
decision
will
be
made.
Will
we
be
seeing.
L
G
L
K
So
thank
you
councillor
and
mr
chair.
So
of
course,
in
terms
of
all
the
options
that
we've
identified
in
the
master
plan
absolutely
right
there.
There
definitely
are
some
short-term
win
opportunities.
So
we're
we're
looking
forward
to
that
conversation
that
dialogue
with
the
community
later
this
fall.
But,
as
you'll
recall,
there
are
a
number
of
component
projects
that
are
underway
so,
most
notably
looking
at
advancing
both
engagement
and
development
of,
or
implementation
of,
a
new
curbside
diversion
policy
that
would
look
at
short-term
implementation
opportunities
to
help
further
drive
diversion.
G
Thank
you
that
is
very
clear
and
really
appreciate
those
responses.
I
see
the
chairs
stepped
away,
so
maybe
I'll
just
if
people
can
committee
can
indulge
me
I'll
just
go
to.
I
believe
councilor
mckenny
had
their
hand
up
first
and
there's
account.
There's
a
okay.
Let's
see
the
chair,
come
back.
Counselor
mckinney
go
ahead.
B
But
we
also
need
to
you
know,
reduce
what
we
just
what
we
consume
and-
and
I
want
to
just
get
back
to
the
plastic,
water
bottles
and
the
just
the
the
whole
notion
of
that
behavioral
change
and
and
talking
about
our
water
and
how
we
promote
our
our
water
at
the
city.
I
understand
that
the
budget
for
water
promotion
right
now
is
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
That's
there's
kevin
hi
kevin.
N
Certainly
chair
following
the
direction
of
2019
staff,
went
back
and
refreshed
the
promotion
of
drinking
water
strategy
and
we
were
ready
to
go
in
2020
and
a
lot
of
the
strategy
revolved
around
face-to-face
interactions
with
the
public
at
the
various
events
we
go
to,
etc
and
unfortunately,
covet
hits
so
and
and
a
lot
of
our
promotion
is
seasonal.
We
we
really
gear
up
for
sort
of
the
spring
summer
season
so
with
covet
hitting
that
was
all
suspended.
Now
we're
we're
hoping
next
year.
We
won't
have
that
coveted
issue
and
we'll
be
refreshing.
N
B
B
N
B
N
Yes,
certainly
chair,
jen
carrera
is
on
on
the
call
here
and
she's
in
charge
of
the
from
the
water
drinking
water
promotion.
I
think
in
unless
she
tells
me
otherwise.
I
think
that
we
could
come
back,
say
late
summer,
early
fall
with
a
robust
strategy,
we'll
we'll
we'll
start
with
what
we
had
planned
to
do
and
couldn't
do
during
covid
and
and
we'll
build
from
there.
B
You
know
have
have
got
put
on
to
the
side
because
we
aren't
having
those
face-to-face
interactions,
but
if
moving
forward
you
don't
have
what
you
need
to
do
the
promotion
that
that
certainly
I'm
looking
for
and-
and
I
think
other
committee
members,
then
it's
you
know
incumbent
upon
us
to
to
see
what
that
looks
like
and
then
determine
what
the
the
budget
ask
would
be
what
what
what
you
require.
So
so
I
look
forward
to
that
and
and
appreciate
the
information
today.
Thank
you.
A
F
Appreciate
the
chance
to
follow
up
with
staff,
I'd
like
to
get
their
observations
based
on
the
both
the
land
era
presentation
if
there
was
anything
in
there
that
they
would
want
to
bring
to
our
attention
any
concerns
or
any
any
positives
out
of
it.
I
I
certainly
appreciate
and
also
get
them
to
expand
a
bit
on
the
notion
you
suggested
about
having
multiple
pilots
underway.
K
So,
thank
you
counselor.
So,
mr
chair,
I
guess
first
and
foremost,
you
know
at
this
part
in
the
master
planning
process,
we
are
investigating
a
number
of
different
types
of
technologies
and
their
particular
ability
to
meet
the
city's
future
needs.
So
we're
not
yet
at
that
stage
where
we're
confirming
the
types
of
technology.
So
again
we're
looking
forward
to
that
discussion
with
the
community
as
we
engage
further,
this
fall.
K
K
And,
of
course
you
know
if
there
is
interest
and
support
from
council,
it's
something
that
we
we
can
facilitate.
The
demonstration
of
you
know
some
of
these
emerging
technologies
that
aren't
quite
proven
at
the
scale
required
for
the
city's
needs
and
one
of
those
options
that
covers
that
is
the
innovation
and
technology
strategy
option.
So
that
opens
the
door
to
that
opportunity
to
look
at
the
potential
for
demonstrating
some
of
these
different
pilot-based
technologies
so
using
the
city's
existing
buffer
lands
in
and
around
the
trailways
landfill.
K
K
No
problem
counselor
and
in
particular,
I
think,
to
the
presentation.
Obviously
you
know
sparking
our
interest.
We
definitely
have
a
lot
of
questions
in
terms
of
that
technology,
and
you
know
there
would
be
some
work,
of
course,
to
to
understand
and
confirm
the
different
regulatory
requirements,
and
you
know
interest
in
understanding
to
where
they're
at
in
terms
of
those
discussions
with
the
ministry,
given
their
technology
is
something
in
place
in
tennessee,
which
has
a
very
different
regulatory
jurisdiction
in
comparison
to
ontario.
K
So,
thank
you,
cancer
and
mr
chair,
so
you
know
just
going
back
to
the
master
plan
itself.
You
know
there's
just
out
of
the
over
70
options
you
have
about
32
or
just
over
30
that
are
directly
related
to
opportunities,
to
increase
diversion
and
increasing
the
life
of
landfills.
So
there's
a
lot
more
opportunities
above
and
beyond
piloting
different.
J
J
There
are
a
number
of
of
items
that
we
can
explore
and
also
bring
back
for
community
and
council's
consideration,
so
we
are
kind
of
at
the
at
the
beginning,
but
recognizing
that
we
do
have
time
and
we
are
advancing
that
residual
management
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we're
exploring
everything
that's
possible.
So,
as
nicole
touched
upon,
there
are
quite
a
few
options
that
that
will
support
our
diversion
efforts.
J
Technology,
certainly
is
one
of
them,
and
that
is
one
of
the
options
that
we
did
highlight
in
the
residual
management
in
order
to
explore
to
see
how
we
can
advance
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
open
and
transparent
and
because,
as
nicole
mentioned,
there
could
be
other
parties
out
there
as
well.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
bringing
as
many
possibilities
to
the
table.
F
F
What
kind
of
timeline
are
you
talking
about
shelly,
because
we
we
heard
in
the
example
lander,
and
I
would
imagine
another
a
lot
of
the
other
technologies-
would
be
the
same
that
they're
going
to
need.
You
know
two
years
or
more
to
ramp
up
from
the
time
we
do
an
agreement.
So
how
much
time
in
advance
of
doing
agreements
do
we
need
internally
to
get
to
that
point.
J
So
chair,
if
you
recall
we're
bringing
forward
the
road
map,
this
fall
2021
and
then
a
folsom
strategy
in
2022.
So
within
that
folsom
strategy,
we
could
be
bringing
back
the
framework
in
order
to
be
bringing
those
technology
companies
on
board.
So
with
that
time
frame
and
aligning
with
what
we
heard
from
lander
today
and
possibly
others,
we
could
be
bringing
new
proponents
on
board
within
five
years
right.
So
I
think
I
think
the
timing
aligns
very
very
well
with
us
advancing
the
residual
management
strategy.
F
J
No
sorry
counselor,
I
misspoke
on
that.
So
basically,
if
we're
bringing
forward
the
the
final
framework
for
the
residual
management
in
2022,
that
we
then
could
be
at
the
point
that
we're
engaging
in
conversations
with
the
technology
providers
and
so
basically
not
five
years
out,
but
potentially
assuming
that
they're
able
to
to
start
up
as
quickly
as
as
they
as
they
indicate.
We
could
have
pilots
on
the
ground
operational
in
five
years.
F
I
J
I
J
J
I
I
said
quite
a
bit
there.
We
recognize
that,
through
the
roadmap
report,
that
we
may
not
be
following
best
practices,
how
we've
been
quantifying
the
life
of
the
landfill
is
one
of
them
and
through
the
residual
management
strategy
we
are
going
to
be
looking
at
from
a
planning
perspective.
What
method
should
we
be
putting
forward
to
calculate
remaining
life.
I
I
If
we
have
potentially
15
years
left
of
our
landfill,
then
we
do
have
a
serious
problem
before
us
and
if
I
heard
you
correctly
today
during
our
first
delegation
or
someone
said
that
you
need
15
years
up
to
15
years
of
ramp
on
ramp,
if
we
argue
if
the
city-
and
I
this
is
I'm
absolutely
opposed
to
this,
but
if
we
are
going
to
create
a
new
landfill,
you
need
up
to
15
years
of
time
to
do
that.
Is
that
correct.
J
So
it
can
take
12
to
15
years
to
to
cite
a
new
landfill,
so
recognizing
four
years
just
to
identify
the
property
it
could
be
up
to
six
years
in
order
to
receive
the
the
ea
approval
and
then
to
anywhere
from
two
to
five
years
in
order
to
prepare
the
site
for
accepting
the
the
waste.
So
it
could
take
12
to
15
years,
starting
from
scratch
to
to
site
and
open
a
new
landfill.
I
So
that
that
underscores
the
critical
nature
that
the
road
map
and
the
folsom
strategy
that
you
alluded
to
has
to
produce
concrete
measures
we
we
have
to
chip
away
at.
We
have
to
divert
as
much
as
we
can
and
we
have
to
chip
away
because
we
have
to
extend
the
lifetime
of
the
landfill.
So
I
appreciate
that
the
main
questions
my
colleagues
have
or
sorry
that
my
my
residents
have
you've
answered
that
that
is
one
of
the
next
steps.
I
You've
talked
about
the
roadmap
later
this
year
and
then
the
folsom
strategy,
which
I
think
members
of
the
public
will
be
very
interested
in
because
they
want
to
see
the
nuts
and
bolts
about
what's
being
contemplated
and
expected,
but
definitely
changing
behavior
continuing
to
change,
behavior
and
reducing
what
we
use
to
begin
with
and
creating
waste.
Is
it's
paramount
what
we
have
to
do
so.
Thank
you
for
all
the
efforts
that
have
gone
into
this
thus
far.
This
is
a
very
serious
issue.
I
A
lot
of
people
just
think
that
when
they
put
things
at
the
end
of
the
curb
you
know,
they
don't
see
it
anymore
and
they
don't
really
care
where
it
goes.
But
garbage
is
still
a
very
serious
issue
and
we
cannot
be
planning
for
a
new
landfill.
We
have
to
look
at
ways
to
divert
to
send
less
to
the
landfill
and
think
of
new
innovative
ways
to
deal
with
it
than
simply
creating
a
mountain
and
putting
soil
on
top
and
forgetting
about
it.
So
thank
you
to
staff
for
your
good
work
on
this.
H
H
J
H
Thank
you
for
that.
I
I
also
recognized
that
there
was
the
potential
for
a
future
organics
processing
capacity
project,
and
I
was
just
wondering
you
know
that
could
be
a
large
element
to
what
we're
trying
to
address
in
in
terms
of
what
waste
management
in
the
city.
I
was
just
wondering
if
staff
plans
to
provide
briefings
to
counselors
and
to
really
facilitate
a
larger
discussion,
both
amongst
members
of
council
and
the
general
public
on
that
project.
K
So
given
that
staff
will
be
kick-starting
work
in
concert
with
the
master
plan
on
determining
what
that
next
technology,
but
also
procurement
approach
will
be
for
council's
consideration.
So
it
will
really
dovetail
again
with
the
work
that's
done
through
the
master
plan
to
date.
So
you
will
have
noticed
on
the
long
list
of
options.
There
are
a
number
of
different
options
that
we
can
contemplate
and
consider
moving
forward
as
options
to
to
manage
and
process
organic
waste.
K
H
K
Very
similar
with
the
cost
is
a
moderate
approach
to
implementation,
might
see
a
situation
where
those
those
annualized
costs
they're.
You
know
they're,
spread
out
and
less
aggressive
kind
of
in
the
earlier
areas
of
the
master
plan.
Some
of
those
important
discussions
to
come
with
the
community.
You
know
we're
recognizing
that
there's
a
lot
of
change
that
this
plan
is
representing
from
the
community
and
a
lot
of
part
of
that
discussion,
especially
on
those
elements
that
will
require
public
behavior
change.
K
It's
it's
getting
an
understanding
of
how
quickly
residents
are
willing
to
buy
into
the
different
options
and
consider
undertaking
their
part
to
move
forward
in
the
change.
So
I
think
going
back
to
one
of
the
core
goals
of
that
is
being
proposed
for
community
council's
consideration
is
being
aligning
with
the
climate
change
targets.
A
number
of
the
different
options
identified
include
those
that
were
identified
through
the
energy
evolution
strategy.
So
those
are
all
options,
but
you
know
we
will
have
the
conversations
with
the
community
this.
This
fall.
H
Okay,
just
want
to
clarify,
of
course,
we're
going
to
have
a
public
consultation,
but
do
both
of
the
moderate
and
aggressive
approaches
meet
the
city's
energy
evolution
targets
of
100
ghg
emissions.
Is
that
and
reductions?
Is
that
the
ultimate
goal
of
both
or
would
we
have
to
apply
the
aggressive
approach
to
to
meet
those
emission
targets?.
K
A
Great,
thank
you.
I'm
just
gonna
ask
a
sub
question
of
something.
From
from
that
you
mentioned
the
residual
waste
management
strategy
is
going
to
come
back
in
q4
of
2022..
I'm
gonna
break
that
down
in
eighths.
Is
it
e7
or
e8,
because
it's
a
significant
difference.
If
you're
aware
of
what
happens
on
november,
15th
2022.
A
Can
talk
about
it
afterwards?
It's
not
it's
not
the
end
of
the
world.
I
just
it's.
It's
obviously
council
changes
over
on
november
15th
2022.
yeah
because
of
the
because
of
the
change
from
the
provincial
government.
It's
no
longer
december
1st,
the
end
of
term
the
start
of
the
next
term.
It's
now
november
15th,
which
is
only
I
think
the
election
is
october.
A
24Th
2022,
there's
only
20
days
between
the
election
and
the
term,
the
next
term
of
council,
it's
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
odd,
might
be
worthwhile
if
that
strategy
could
come
forward
a
little
earlier,
but
I'll
leave
that
up
to
you
and
we
can
talk
about
that
further.
Obviously,
this
is
something
that
that
involves
this
council
sponsors
group
on
solid
waste,
as
well
with
myself
and
councilman,
and
council
shantery
and
dudas,
but
then
also
with
the
road
map
coming
we're
gonna.
We're
gonna
discuss
this
further
in
the
fall.
A
So
so
that's
good.
I
appreciate
that.
I
don't
see
any
other
questions
from
members
of
a
committee.
I
really
want
to
thank
committee
members
today.
I
think
your
engagement,
thoughtful
engagement
questions
all
quite
pertinent,
very,
very
good
to
the
discussion
very
helpful
for
our
staff
and
our
team.
That's
leading
this
shelly
nicole
phenomenal
job
as
always
been
great
to
work
with
you
on
this
file
for
the
last
couple
years
and
looking
forward
to
well.
A
The
whole
strategy
comes
next
term,
but
but
looking
forward
to
seeing
it
at
the
rest
of
this
term.
So
thank
you.
I
don't
have
any
other
again.
So
no
other
questions
from
committee.
Let
me
just
bring
my
agenda
back
up
on
the
screen.
I
got
like
six
thousand
windows
open.
Oh
there,
it
is
okay.
So,
oh
first,
the
amendment
from
has
everyone
reviewed
that
everyone's
okay
with
that
that
minor
technical
amendment?
Okay
good?
A
I
appreciate
that
so
on
that
amendment
is
that
carried
all
right,
okay
and
then
the
the
plan
itself,
so
that
standing
committee
on
environmental
protection,
water
and
waste
management
recommend
that
council
one
approve
the
vision,
statement,
guiding
principles
and
goals.
The
solid
waste
master
plan,
as
described
in
this
report
and
outlined
supporting
document
one
and
two
receive
this-
always
mastered
plan
phase
two
report
and
supporting
documents
related
to
the
city
of
ottawa's,
long-term
waste
management
strategy.
A
We
still
have
shelly
here
with
us
item.
Two
is
solid
waste
services,
2023
residential
curbside
collection,
contract
procurement
strategy.
So
I
imagine
shelley
will
cue
this
up,
but
you'll
recall
a
couple
years
ago.
We
did
extend
the
contracts,
we're
still
operating
under
the
contracts
from
2012
and
we
did
extend
those
contracts,
and
this
is
before
us
again
to
do
the
same
and
I'll
allow
shelley
to
explain
that
their
rationale
and
what
what
those
options
are.
J
Through
the
residential
curbside
collection
contract,
the
city
is
responsible
for
the
curbside
collection
of
blue
and
black
box.
Recyclables
green
bin
organics
leaf
and
yard
waste
garbage
and
bulky
items
were
approximately
294
000
residential
homes
as
required
and
regulated
by
provincial
legislation.
J
J
It
costs,
on
average,
approximately
44.6
million
a
year
to
collect
waste
under
the
current
contract,
which
includes
both
single-family
and
multi-residential
homes,
receiving
curbside
collection
services.
The
city
is
split
into
five
zones
to
facilitate
the
collection.
Three
are
managed
by
miller
waste
and
two
zones
are
serviced
by
our
in-house
collection
group,
which
includes
the
downtown
core.
J
As
the
chair
mentioned
in
2019,
we
received
approval
for
a
three-year
sole
source
contract
that
began
on
june
1st
2020..
We
have
completed
the
first
year
of
this
contract
and
it
is
set
to
expire
on
june.
The
4th
2023
council
approval
is
required
today
for
staff
to
negotiate
and
award
contracts
by
q3
2021,
so
that
service
providers
have
sufficient
time
to
procure
collection
equipment
ahead
of
the
june.
The
5th
2023
start
date
next
slide.
Please.
J
As
staff
were
preparing
for
the
approach
for
the
current
contract,
as
presented
in
the
staff
report,
we
took
into
account
three
key
considerations
in
an
options
analysis
process.
The
first
was
the
transition
to
ipr
for
the
provincial
blue
box
program.
The
final
blue
box
regulations
were
released
on
june.
The
third
staff
are
currently
reviewing
them
to
understand
the
impacts.
J
We
want
to
make
sure
that
our
residents
continue
to
receive
curbside
services
for
all
streams,
garbage
organics,
bulky
leaf
and
yard
and
recycling.
The
timing
of
the
transition
in
the
regulation
indicates
that
the
city
of
ottawa
must
transition
to
ipr
on
july,
the
1st
2023,
but
the
details
of
what
that
looks
like
are
still
unknown.
J
Staff
also
consider
the
timing
to
implement
policy
changes
from
the
solid
waste
master
plan
committee
also
considered
the
solway's
master
plan
phase
2
report.
Today
we
will
be
bringing
to
council
by
early
q2
2022
the
phase
three
of
us
always
master
plan
and
then
again
in
q1
2023
to
present
the
draft
strategy
and
the
five-year
implementation
plan.
J
Lastly,
was
the
current
market
conditions,
including
both
the
supply
chain
and
the
cova
co-fed
19
impacts?
Typically,
the
standard
industry
lead
time
to
procure
collection
equipment
once
contracts
have
been
awarded
could
be
up
to
18
months
code.
19
has
it
impacts
on
the
supply
chain
and
contracts
need
to
be
awarded
as
soon
as
possible
to
mitigate
the
risk
of
collection
equipment
delays.
J
We
have
also
seen
a
volumetric
shift
of
industrial,
commercial
and
institutional
waste
to
the
residential
waste
stream,
with
more
residents
working
from
home
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic
and
stay-at-home
orders.
We're
not
sure
if
this
trend
will
continue,
which
could
have
long-term
impacts
on
our
waste
collection
system
and
contracts.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
The
7th
approval
of
the
recommended
short-term
procurement
strategy
for
2023
will
allow
sufficient
time
to
secure
the
new
collection
equipment
and
also
enable
staff
to
immediately
begin
planning
and
working
on
developing
a
more
fulsome
procurement
strategy
for
the
2025
collections
contract
in
early
october
staff
will
bring
forward
an
update
for
committee
and
council
on
the
blue
box
transition
to
ipr
at
a
high
level.
This
update
will
provide
council
with
a
fulsome
understanding
of
the
blue
box,
ipr
impacts
on
the
city's
waste
collection
process
and
include
next
steps
for
determining
future
recommendations
for
consideration.
J
We
intend
to
initiate
discussions
with
the
producers
shortly
and
into
early
2022
and
currently
without
a
full
understanding
of
the
direction
that
the
producers
will
want
to
take.
The
city
cannot
determine
how
best
to
undertake
collection
services
during
the
transition
period,
beginning
on
july,
1st
2023
potential
scenarios
we
could
be
in
or
out
of
the
recycling
business
will
be
developed
by
staff
and
brought
forward
for
council
consideration
in
late
2022..
J
These
scenarios
will
consider
collection
costs,
service
level,
expectations
and
outcomes
from
our
discussions
with
the
producers,
this
fall
staff
will
also
launch
the
solid
waste
master
plan
engagement
series
2.
by
the
end
of
the
year
staff
will
conclude
this
engagement
and
prepare
to
bring
forward
phase
three
of
the
master
plan
for
consideration
by
committee
council
in
early
2022..
J
This
strategy
will
have
key
elements
that
will
inform
the
next
strategy
for
our
residential
collection
contract
staff
will
begin
developing
the
next
residential
collection
contract
immediately
following
approval
of
the
short-term
contract,
and
we
intend
to
bring
it
forward
to
committee
and
council
for
consideration
in
q2
2023
july.
1St
2023
is
the
targeted
ipr
transition
date
for
the
city
of
ottawa,
as,
as
previously
described,
the
implications
of
the
state
in
terms
of
collection
contract
are
not
yet
known.
J
The
contract
will
go
until
june
8
2025,
which
provides
for
many
benefits
alignment
with
the
solid
waste
master
plan
milestones
providing
council
with
the
ability
to
implement
desired
outcomes,
beginning
in
2025
and
earlier
compared
to
if
the
city
were
to
issue
a
longer
term
contract,
beginning
in
2023
alignment
with
the
anticipated
full
provincial
transition
to
ipr
in
2026,
while
providing
flexibility
to
make
earlier
contract
amendments,
if
required,
known
financial
impacts
for
curbside
residents.
Based
on
the
recent
vendor
pricing
submissions
for
the
two-year
contract
term.
J
This
provides
staff
with
known
pricing
for
which
to
enter
into
discussions
with
producers
for
the
collection
of
blue
and
black
box
materials.
Should
this
be
the
direction
given
by
council
sufficient
time
to
procure
new
collection
equipment,
mitigating
potential
service
instructions
to
residents
and,
finally,
providing
more
time
and
resources
to
consider
the
implications
of
ipr,
the
solids
master
plan
and
to
execute
a
service
level
options
review,
all
of
which
would
be
used
to
develop
the
long-term
procurement
strategy
for
the
next
curbside
collection
contract
targeted
to
be
procured
in
2023
for
a
june
2025
start
date.
J
First,
the
potential
for
some
operational
and
financial
risks
associated
with
ipr
transition,
including
we
still
may
need
to
make
contract
modifications
if
ipr
transition
impacts
the
current
blue
and
black
box
services
prior
to
2025
within
the
short-term
contract,
and
because
we
didn't
do
a
competitive
tender.
There
is
some
uncertainty
that
we
may
that
we
received
the
best
value
for
the
city
when
compared
to
a
five-year
competitive
bid
with
multiple
off-ramps.
J
J
It's
expected
that,
under
both
a
short
and
a
standard
term,
contract
cost
will
increase
information
from
the
2018
rfi
process
and
current
analysis
done
by
staff
have
confirmed
the
cost
increases
to
be
reasonable
in
comparison
to
the
current
market.
Noting
also
that
the
cost
increase
for
the
proposed
short-term
contracts
is
less
than
the
increase
is
seen
under
the
current
term
contract.
J
Any
off-ramps
added
into
the
contracts,
for
example,
to
accommodate
the
ipr
transition,
pose
more
risk
to
the
provider
and,
in
turn,
increase
the
costs
which
are
bored
by
the
city.
Therefore,
the
longer
contract
would
result
in
higher
prices
for
a
longer
period
of
time.
That
is
why
staff
upon
receiving
pricing
from
our
current
vendors
and
having
assessed
the
impact
of
current
unknowns
continue
to
recommend
a
short-term
contract
to
mitigate
any
increased
costs.
J
J
Please
the
in-house
group
has
identified
the
need
to
procure
22
replacement
vehicles
and
two
additional
vehicles
for
growth
in
zone
5.
before
procuring
this
equipment
staff
will
evaluate
lease
and
purchase
options
to
determine
the
best
path
forward
to
mitigate
the
risk
of
ipr
and
the
redu
and
reduce
the
cost
over
the
term
of
the
contract.
J
If
the
best
option
is
to
lease
there'll
be
no
2022
capital
budget
implications
as
well
as
no
2021
nor
2022
operational
budget
impacts.
Since
these
contracts
start
in
2023,
operating
budget
impacts
for
2023
and
beyond
will
be
incorporated
in
the
draft
operating
budgets
for
each
respective
year,
subject
to
annual
inflationary
and
growth
increases
per
year
per
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
contract.
J
If
purchasing
funding
will
be
requested
as
part
of
the
2022
budget
process
in
the
2022
municipal
fleet,
vehicle
and
equipment
replacement
and
growth
plan,
which
is
published
as
information
supplemental
to
the
budget,
the
procurement
of
these
new
vehicles,
combined
with
the
previously
purchased
new
vehicles
in
2019,
will
help
to
mitigate
and
reduce
significant
fleet
maintenance
costs
over
the
term
of
the
proposed
two-year
contract
next
slide.
Please.
J
J
Options
review
continue
work
on
the
solid
waste
master
plan,
with
a
target
to
bring
the
draft
and
find
your
implementation
plan
forward
to
council
consideration
in
q1
2023,
all
of
which
will
inform
the
development
of
a
folsom
procurement
strategy
for
the
2025
curbside
collection
contract
that
solid
waste
staff
will
begin
working
on
immediately
following
approval
of
the
short-term
strategy
and
bring
forward
for
council
consideration
in
the
middle
of
2023
next
slide.
Please.
C
A
A
A
With
a
subsequent
direction
staff,
so
the
item
to
be
added,
because
I
can't
just
bring
forward
a
direction
without
actually
having
an
item
on
the
agenda.
The
idea
would
be
an
update
on
the
city's
response
to
a
gypsy
moth
situation.
I
don't
have
to
have
a
motion
to
add
it
to
be
fair,
but
can
I
approve
the
edition?
The
additional
item
as
item
five
on
the
agenda
approved
all
right?
Thank
you
and,
and
then
with
that
we
have
a
direction
of
staff,
and
I
believe
this
is
coming
from.
A
H
Absolutely
well,
as
we
know,
the
city
has
been
affected
by
the
infestation
of
moth
caterpillars
they've
been
very
voracious
and
they've
been
really
in
multiple
neighborhoods
throughout
my
war.
That
I
know
throughout
the
city,
and
we've
heard
much
concern
from
residents
to
to
ensure
that
the
city
on
a
go
forward
basis
has
a
strategy
and
plan
with
dealing
with
infestations.
H
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
city
staff
update
standing
committee
on
environmental
protection,
water
and
waste
management
in
in
q4
2021
on
moth
impacts
and
to
develop
a
response
plan
for
moths
in
ottawa.
That
include
communication
of
best
practices
and
mitigation
supports
to
residents
and
community
groups
and
include
any
potential
budget
pressures
that
may
be
associated.
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
that.
I
do
know
that
I
think
staff
were
obviously
engaged
in
this
prior
to
today,
and
I
had
seen
I
I'm
aware
that
our
forestry
service
staff
were
not
able
to
to
attend
this
committee
meeting
today.
I
know
kevin
wiley
is
here.
I
remember
seeing
an
update
from
jason
pollard
attributed
to
jason
pollard,
not
that
long
ago,
on
this
subject,
speaking
to
a
plans
toward
2022
to
to
discuss
that
further.
I
know
the
city
was
helping
out
community
volunteer
groups
with
this
situation
throughout
the
city,
so
kevin.
A
N
N
Staff
are
working
on
mitigating
strategies,
both
at
the
city
level
and
also
suggestions
and
we'll
have
a
education
campaign
on
our
website
for
residents
how
they
can
combat
gypsy
mobs
in
their
in
on
their
trees
as
well.
So
we'll
be
coming
forward
with
that
and
in
time
for
2022
for
the
the
season,
as
you
pointed
out
or
as
I
think
councillor
king
pointed
out,
we're
at
the
end
of
the
cycle
now
for
this
year,
and
we
have
also
identified
a
budget
pressure,
we're
preparing
for
our
budget
deliberations.
N
We've
already
identified
a
budget
pressure
in
our
budget
submissions
that
we'll
be
coming
forward
with
you
know
the
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind.
I
know
it's.
It's
quite
dramatic.
When
residents
see
the
the
devastation
of
our
of
our
canopy
but
trees
are
resilient
and
and
I'm
not
the
expert,
but
the
forestry
experts
tell
me
that
some
some
species
of
trees
will
relief
this
season.
Other
species
of
trees
will
relief
next
season.
N
G
Quick,
thank
you.
Just
a
quick
question
to
staff
the
I'm
seeing
the
the
burlap
all
over
the
trees
in
my
ward
in
my
well
pretty
much
all
my
parks
and
a
lot
of
my
residents
taking
action.
That
way.
I
just
if
there's
one
piece
of
advice
you
could
give
to
residents
now.
I
know
we're
kind
of
more
at
the
tail
end
of
this,
but
there's
a
piece
of
advice
staff
could
give
to
to
residents.
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What
would
that
be
to
to
help
combat
this
if
they
have
the
the
the
means,
the
time
and
the
ability
to
do
it
and
because
you
know
certainly
sending
out
newsletters,
I
see
our
we
got
our
own
site
on
on
these
moths.
I
think
ldd
moss
is
the
term
people
are
using,
but
that's
something
that
I'm
hoping
we
can
point
out
to
the
public
what
they
can
do
and
and
where
we
can
point
them
to.
N
A
A
G
A
G
G
Okay,
so
just
to
just
introduce
it,
it's
a
motion
around
the
the
phase
out
of
the
gas
plants
in
ontario
gas-fired
power
plants,
and
it's
speaking
there's
been,
I
believe,
29
other
municipalities
in
ontario
passed
similar
motions.
It
speaks
to
our
climate
change
plan,
our
climate
emergency,
it
is
in
line.
The
motion
would
help
us
try
to
meet
our
goals
and
in
line
with
our
own
climate
change
master
plan.
So
I
understand:
there's,
there's
staff
support
and
I'll
just
read.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
So
obviously
that's
on
the
power
generation
situation
in
the
province
of
ontario,
so
that'll
come
back
to
again,
that'll
be
in
front
of
committee
in
september,
so
this
fall.
I
know
I've
had
discussions
about
that
previously
with
hydro
ottawa,
so
they
might
have
some
comment
on
it,
but
I
mean
they're,
obviously
welcome
to
to
attend
committee
and
discuss,
provide
comment
on
that
when
the
time
comes.
A
A
We
have
some
applications
every
now
and
then
that
kind
of
cross
committee
lines-
and
I
know
councilor
brockington
and
counselor
deans
I've
been
working
on
an
application
on
hunt
club
road
where
someone
literally
wants
to
pave
down
a
a
forested
paradise
to
build
a
parking
lot,
no
other
purpose
than
to
build
a
parking
lot,
there's
no
functionality
to
the
property
whatsoever,
there's
no
building
on
the
site.
It's
just
paving
a
forest
to
build
a
parking
lot,
and
I
know
just
through
my
role
as
chair
of
this
committee.
A
Obviously,
our
our
primary
concern
with
the
urban
tree
canopy
and
trying
to
increase
the
tree
canopy
not
trying
to
destroy
it.
So
we've
I've
had
some
discussions
with
with
our
planning
team
on
that,
and
I
think
that
staff
were
fully
prepared
to
refuse
application.
But
I
do
know
that
the
counselors
involved
and
counselor
boxington,
because
he's
here
has
been
involved
in
that
too,
to
try
to
find
ways
to
preserve
that
that
piece
of
land-
that's
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
good
mature
forest
within
the
city
of
ottawa
and
it's
on
airport
lands.
A
So
one
would
hope
that
we
can
work
with
the
airport
to
find
a
better
solution
than
what
than
what
is
being
proposed
from
the
car
dealership.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
just
thought
I'd
toss
in
there
another
business
because
it
does
kind
of
apply.
It's
not
something
that
comes
to
our
committee,
but
it
does
something
that
applies
to
some
of
the
work
that
we
do
here
that
often
touches
committees,
other
committees
throughout
the
city,
which
is
not
uncommon.
So
thank
you
to
that
on
adjournments.
A
I
believe
it's
supposed
to
start
15
minutes
after
this,
so
but
staff
will
be
in
touch
with
the
media
who
wish
to
engage.
So
thank
you
so
much
enjoy
the
rest
of
your
your
day.
Enjoy
your
week,
don't
forget
to
toss
out
some
orange
there
on
canada
day.
Well,
it
seems
like
an
odd
choice,
but
fitting
this
year
so
again
take
care
enjoy.