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Standing Committee on Environmental Protection, Water and Waste Management - September 21,2021
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Oh,
I
actually
just
skipped
over
the
whole.
Like
minutes
thing
I
got
lost,
I
got
off
track.
I
confirmation
apologize
minutes
for
the
meeting
of
tuesday
june
29th.
2021
are
those
minutes
gary
terry
gary?
Thank
you
so
much
all
right
back
to
that
whole
number,
one
thing.
So
our
drinking
water
quality
management
system
reports,
so
we
don't
have
any
speakers
on
it.
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Yes,
good
morning
councillor,
there
were
test
wells
that
were
drilled
and
evaluated
during
2021
and
I
believe
they
now
have
a
contractor
to
do
the
final
design
of
the
production,
wells
and
they'll
be
moving
into
construction
phase.
I
expect
this
winter
and
then
there's
a
number
of
you
know,
tests
that
have
to
be
done
and
so
on.
So
construction
will
take
place.
C
That's
part
of
the
waters.
You
know
water
protection,
source
protection,
work.
That
has
to
be
done,
so
I'm
not
that
close
to
the
project,
but
I
would
expect
to
see
commissioning
in
probably
2023,
as
marilyn
mentioned,
the
nitrate
levels
have
stabilized.
So
that's
a
good
thing
and
the
the
water
quality
for
the
test
wells
at
least
looks
to
be
quite
good.
There's
a
few
small
components
that
are
there
that
we'll
have
to
be
mindful
of
there's
a
little
bit
of
iron,
nothing
of
health
concern.
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B
I
can
find
thank
you,
mr
chair,
don't
want
to
tie
that
committee
time,
but
I
will
ask
if
ian
and
his
team,
maybe
we
can
meet
off.
We
can
move
this
conversation
to
offline
and
I
really
am
looking
for
some
quick
update
concerning
the
construction
and
the
whole,
the
full
project
landscape.
So,
if
that
we
can
do
that,
that
would
be
appreciated.
A
Thanks
so
just
to
on
that,
I
know
it's
it's
a
quirky
one,
because
I
mean,
as
committee
members
know.
Yes,
we
have
the
two
primary
drinking
water
distribution
systems
in
the
city,
britannia
and
lemieux
island,
but
we
also
have
a
number
of
these
communal
wealth
systems,
one
in
carp,
two
enrichment,
one
in
munster,
this
one
in
shadow
ridge
and
greeley.
A
The
one
in
greeley
have
been
it's.
It's
been
a
bit
of
a
challenge,
but
the
nitrates
which
is
can
be
caused
by
sort
of
a
higher
concentration
of
septic
systems
in
an
area.
It
can
also
occur
naturally,
as
we've
seen
elsewhere
in
the
city
as
well
up
in
the
kinbern
area.
But
here
just
remind
me,
what's
the
high
level
that
the
province
allows?
I
know
we
obviously
want
to
be
as
low
as
possible.
This
isn't
as
low
as
possible.
But
what's
the
high
level-
and
where
are
we
at
here.
C
Yes,
chair
for
nitrate,
both
health,
canada
and
the
province
of
ontario
have
a
standard
of
10
milligrams
per
liter
as
the
maximum
acceptable
concentration
and
the
levels
at
shadow
ridge
got
as
high
as
4.5
and
they're
now
stabilized
at
around
three.
So
it's
it's
well
within
the
10,
but
we
don't
see
nitrate
in
any
of
our
other.
Well
systems
yeah.
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A
Which
was
a
notion,
a
motion
that
was
provided
at
the
previous
meeting
in
june
of
this
committee
from
council
menard.
It's
a
motion
to
request
the
government
ontario
to
develop
and
implement
a
plan
to
phase
out
gas-fired
electricity
generation
and
call
for
consideration
of
alternative
sources
of
energy.
I
Thanks
very
much
thanks
very
much
chair.
The
motion
speaks
to
the
city
of
ottawa's
request
for
the
government
ontario
to
develop
and
implement
a
plan
to
phase
out
gas-fired
electricity
generation
by
2030
to
help
the
city
of
ottawa,
the
province
and
the
government
of
canada
meet
their
climate
targets.
I
I
The
motion
also
calls
for
the
ieso,
which
is
currently
considering
this
in
a
report
to
be
to
be
produced
to
give
consideration
to
to
win
solar
demand,
response
and
quebec
hydro
as
well
as
conservation.
So
the
timing
is
good
and
I
look
forward
to
the
discussion.
We
have
some
good
delegations
here
that
that
will
also
have
expertise
and
can
go
through
it.
I've
got
a
lot
of
background
information.
I
A
A
Allow
distributed
energy
resources
to
participate
in
there's,
there's
more
stuff
here,
so
I'll,
let
it
let
it
get
properly
formalized,
but
it's
it's
just
about
giving
more
opportunity
locally
to
provide
alternatives
to
power
generation.
Again,
it's
all
aligned
with
what
we're
looking
for
in
our
energy
energy
evolution.
A
But
when
that's
finally
ready,
I
will
get
councilman
bernard
to
introduce
that.
So
we
have
the
full
motion,
the
full
report
in
front
of
us
we
do
have
so.
As
I
mentioned,
we
do
have
delegations
this
and
we
did
receive
correspondence
as
well.
Actually
a
number
of
about
eight
submissions
previously
to
committee-
and
you
know
some
are
some-
are
in
support.
Some
have
concerns,
and
I
can
discuss
that.
I
can
touch
on
some
of
those
when
we
wrap
up
with
the
with
the
delegation.
E
E
We
represent
a
group
of
almost
600
parents
who
are
concerned
about
the
health
of
our
planet
and
the
future
of
our
kids,
our
children,
the
future
the
children
will
inherit.
We
are
worried
about
climate
change
and
the
speed
at
which
human
actions
are
causing
our
planet
to
warm.
Our
children
are
also
worried.
E
E
E
We
know
that
the
ontario
government
has
not
made
climate
change
a
priority,
and
indeed,
with
its
proposed
plan
to
open
up
more
gas-powered
power
plants,
it
will
be
looking.
It
will
be
locking
in
ontario
into
carbon
infrastructure
infrastructure
that,
as
the
world
transitions
to
clean
energy,
it
will
likely
be
retired
early
even
before
it
has
reached
its
expected
lifespan.
This
is
this
is
a
significant
loss
of
billions
of
dollars
due
to
lost
potential
as
well.
E
A
recent
study
has
shown
that
the
world's
remaining
carbon
budget,
the
amount
we
can
emit
and
still
keep
the
world
at
1.5
degrees
of
warring,
will
already
be
fully
used
up
by
the
existing
fossil
fuel
infrastructure
that
already
exists.
The
planet
can
literally
no
longer
afford
to
build
more
fossil
fuel
infrastructure.
E
As
you
are
aware,
advancing
zero
emission
generation
of
electricity
at
the
provincial
level
as
councillor
moffat
stated
is
already
a
priority
project
for
the
ottawa
energy
evolution
strategy,
one
that
was
unanimous
unanimously
passed
by
all
of
city
councillors,
but
we
do
not
have
time
to
wait.
The
full
five
years
for
this
project
to
be
completed
today
is
a
day
to
show
that
the
evil
energy
evolution
strategy
is
not
just
words
on
paper,
but
that
we
will
stand
behind
those
projects
and
begin
acting
on
them.
E
The
independent
energy
supply
operator
ieso
recently
hosted
a
workshop
about
transitioning
away
from
fossil
fuels.
They
effectively
stated
that
they
will
only
begin
seriously
planning
for
a
gas
phase
out.
If
order
to
do
so
by
the
ontario
government,
so
we
as
individuals
no
matter
how
concerned
or
how
loud
we
can
be,
we
will
not
have
the
power
to
influence
the
change
in
government
policy
needed
by
ourselves.
E
We
need
you,
as
our
elected
officials,
to
use
your
power
and
combine
it
with
the
power
of
the
30
plus
municipalities
that
already
endorse
this
phase
out.
So
please
I
ask
and
be
asking
parents
across
ontario
and
ottawa.
Please
pass
this
motion.
Let
the
ontario
government
know
that
to
protect
our
climate,
to
protect
our
air,
to
ensure
that
the
most
marginalized
in
our
province
have
access
to
clean,
renewable
electricity.
E
A
A
A
F
F
The
ontario
clean
air
alliance
was
established
in
1997
to
promote
the
phase
out
of
our
five
dirty
coal-fired
power
plants,
and
we
worked
on
that
issue
for
17
years
until
the
last
coal
plant
was
phased
out
in
2014
and
now
we're
working
on
the
next
step
to
clean
up
our
electricity
grid,
namely
to
move
to
a
100,
carbon-free
electricity
system
for
ontario
by
phasing
out
our
gas-fired
power
plants.
Next
slide,
please
now.
F
F
The
first
is
they're
forecasting
that
our
demand
for
electricity
will
increase
by
about
one
percent
a
year.
The
second
reason
is
that
they're
forecasting
that
the
peckering
nuclear
station
will
close
in
2025,
and
the
third
reason
is
that
the
government
of
ontario
is
planning
to
meet
virtually
all
of
our
need
for
new
electricity
supply
by
simply
importing
more
fracked
gas
from
western
canada
and
pennsylvania
and
ramping
up
the
output
of
our
gas-fired
power
plants.
Next
slide,
please
now,
as
you
know,
ontario
has
a
climate
target.
F
Please
now
we're
proposing
a
three-prong
strategy
to
phase
out
the
gas
plants.
The
first
prong
is
energy
efficiency.
The
second
prong
is
to
import
more
low-cost
water
power
from
quebec,
and
the
third
prong
is
to
start
reinvesting
in
wind
and
solar
energy.
Again
now.
We
all
know
that
wind
and
solar
used
to
be
very
high
cost
sources
of
electricity
supply,
but
thanks
to
huge
technical,
technological
progress,
wind
and
solar
are
now
our
lowest
cost
sources
of
new
electricity
supply.
F
Next
slide,
please.
In
addition,
by
investing
in
energy
efficiency
and
wind
and
solar,
we
can
create
jobs
in
every
single
community
in
ontario.
On
the
other
hand,
if
we
meet
our
need
for
new
supply
by
simply
importing
more
fracked
gas
from
western
canada
and
pennsylvania,
that
will
create
zero
new
jobs
in
ontario.
F
A
I
I
We
have
heard
from
some
manufacturers
of
of
of
gas
that
the
right
now
and
for
the
foreseeable
future
electricity
cannot
be
efficiently
stored
and
that
emerging
storage
technologies
are
more
expensive
and
can
provide
energy
for
only
a
set
amount
of
time,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
respond
to
that
concern.
That's
been
highlighted
by
gas
producers.
F
Well,
yes,
that
that's
true
at
the
moment,
battery
storage
is
imperfect,
but
that's
again
why
we
are
so
lucky
to
be
located
next
door
to
quebec,
because
quebec's
hydroelectric
reservoirs
can
also
act
like
a
battery.
Those
reservoirs
are
huge
and
they're
already
built
and
they
can
provide
that
battery
service.
F
Now
people
who
are
located
in
california
don't
have
access
to
quebec's
reservoirs,
but
ontario
does
and
there's
a
study
by
the
mit
by
researchers
at
the
massachusetts
institute
of
technology
that
have
discovered
the
quebec's
hydroelectric
reservoirs
are
the
the
lowest
cost
storage
option
for
wind
and
solar.
So
we
are
very
lucky
to
be
located
next
door
to
quebec
and
hydro.
Quebec
does
want
to
be
the
battery
for
a
northeastern
north
america
and
also
there's
another
great
storage
option
coming
along.
F
I
F
Yes,
absolutely
we
do.
We
have.
We
have
seven
transmission
links
right
now,
including
a
lynx
in
the
city
of
ottawa
and
with
those
existing
links.
We
are
importing
power.
Last
year
we
got
about
three
percent
of
our
electricity
from
hydro
quebec,
but
even
with
the
existing
transmission
links,
we
have
the
potential
to
triple
our
imports
from
hydroquebec
tomorrow.
If
we
wish
to
do
so,
but
in
addition
we
should
be
building
a
new
transmission
link,
so
we
can
import
even
more
low-cost
water
power
from
quebec.
I
I
Even
if
we
imported
a
hundred
percent
of
qvex
power,
we
not
meet
our
peak
needs
and
I
guess
the
peak
needs
are.
You
know
the
the
spikes
that
happen
in
the
summer
when
high
ac
use
and
in
the
in
the
winter,
when
it's
very,
very
cold?
So
can
you
just
go
through?
You
know
that
that
comment
from
gas
producers
and
and
what
solutions
may
exist
there.
F
Well,
yes,
quebec
has
a
winter
peaking
system,
we
have
a
summer
peaking
system.
Our
peak
demand
occurs
in
the
summer
and
at
the
summer,
quebec
has
a
huge
surplus
of
capacity
over
10
000
megawatts,
which
is
more
than
our
demand
for
our
our
gas-fired
power
plants,
and
so
quebec
definitely
can
help
us
phase
out
our
gas
plants
on
peak
peak
days,
but
we're
not
just
recommending
that
we
use
quebec
power.
F
J
Thanks
sharon
and
good
morning,
mr
givens,
thanks
for
your
presentation,
it
seems
to
me
this
motion
is
maybe
five
years
too
late,
and
let
me
explain
what
I
mean
by
that.
The
provincial
government
is
paranoid
about
providing
a
constant
power
source
to
the
people
of
ontario.
They
do
not
want
electricity
to
be
interrupted,
they
see
growing
demand
and
with
pickering
coming
offline.
They
want
consistent
energy
source
for
the
people,
so
why
did
they
choose
gas-powered
plants
investing
in
gas-powered
plants?
J
J
They've
made
this
they've
already
made
their
investment
they've
already
made
their
decision
in
what
they're
going
to
and
we're
going
to
pass
a
motion
today
that
says,
despite
you
investing
in
new
gas
powered
plants,
we
want
you
to
go
in
a
different
direction,
so
we
could
pass
this
motion
and
look
good
to
the
people
of
ottawa
today.
But
what
is
the
realistic
chance
that
we're
actually
going
to
impact
change
here?
J
The
provincial
government
has
already
invested.
They
said
if
we're
taking
nuclear
offline
part
of
our
nuclear
plants
offline,
we're
going
to
gas-powered
plants,
so
the
city
of
ottawa
can
say
no.
We
don't
want
that.
We
ghg
lowering
is
our
targets.
We
want
to
meet
these
targets
by
2030,
but
we
need
to
provide
them
with
a
roadmap.
Here
are
the
alternatives,
and
I
think
your
report
was
pretty
good
in
making
sure
we're
aware
of
the
other
options.
J
F
F
But
it's
also
important
to
to
realize
that
the
mo
at
the
moment
it
produces
more
power
than
we
need
and
about
half
of
its
output
is,
is
exported
to
to
other
to
the
united
states
and
so
that
the
the
good
news
is
that
at
the
moment
we
only
get
about
six
percent
of
our
electricity
from
the
the
the
fossil
power
plants,
and
so
we
and
and
we're
now
in
2021,
we've
got
nine
years.
We
can
definitely
ramp
up
energy
efficiency
very
very
dramatically
in
nine
years.
There's
a
huge
untapped
potential.
F
We
can
ramp
up
wind
and
solar
very
quickly.
We,
we
can
also
help
phase
out
the
gas
plants
by
simply
stopping
exporting
gas-fired
electricity
to
the
us.
You
know
in
2019,
35
of
our
gas
production
was
exported
and
we
can
import
more
power
from
quebec,
both
the
existing
transmission
lines.
So
we
do
have
options
we
we
can
do
it.
J
J
F
Well,
no
manitoba
is
also
a
good
source
of
low-cost,
clean
water
power
and
it's
certainly
a
good
option
for
northwestern
ontario
and
the
ieso
does
have
an
emergency
power
agreement
with
with
manitoba
right
now
to
provide
us
with
with
renewable
power.
If
we
needed
to
keep
our
lights
on
in
northwestern
ontario,
but
but
the
vast
majority
of
of
ontario's
power
and
gas
plants
are
located
in
southern
ontario
and
and
to
to
phase
them
out.
The
hydroquebec
option
is
is,
is
the
one
that
can
provide
us
the
the
biggest
benefit
for.
A
F
F
According
to
a
study
that
was
done
for
the
government
of
ontario
wind
turbines
located
in
our
great
lakes,
lakes
could
provide
us
with
over
80
percent
of
our
our
electricity
needs.
So
so,
yes,
absolutely
it
was
a
mistake
to
to
remove
the
municipal
veto
on
new
power
plants,
and
so
it
should
be
restored.
If
a
municipality
doesn't
want
wind
turbines,
they
shouldn't
be
built
in
that
community.
A
K
On
mute
hi
there
everybody
good
morning,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
allow
me
the
time
to
speak
to
you
about
this
motion
and
resolution
and
the
importance
of
it.
I'm
hi
my
name
is
gabriella
culloffish,
I'm
from
the
clean
air
partnership
and
we're
a
charitable
environmental
organization
dedicated
to
supporting
municipalities
and
their
partners
to
implement
actions
that
foster
low-carbon
resilient
communities.
K
Firstly,
one
of
the
reasons
why
this
decarbonization
of
the
ontario's
electricity
system
is
so
important
is
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
Of
course,
the
targets
that
have
been
set
by
the
city
of
ottawa
as
part
of
the
climate
emergency
declaration,
as
well
as
part
of
the
energy
evolution
plan,
are
extremely
dependent
on
achieving
a
fossil
fuel
free
electricity
grid.
K
The
plan
is
geared
towards
helping
ottawa
move
away
from
energy
systems
of
moving
towards
the
energy
systems
of
the
future,
rather
than
doubling
down
on
the
energy
system
of
the
past
and
present,
and
if
I
can
be
cliche
and
quote
wayne
gretzky,
as
he
said,
skate
to
where
the
puck
is
going
not
to
where
it
has
been.
Our
energy
system
needs
to
be
low,
carbon,
be
less
wasteful
and
will
cry
require
a
doubling
down
and
a
tripling
down
on
efficiency.
K
Keep
in
mind
that
almost
all
the
money
we
spend
on
fossil
fuel
leaves
our
province
and
heads
to
the
u.s
or
out
west,
whereas
most
of
the
money
that
we
spend
on
efficiency
and
distributed
energy
resources
will
only
stay
within
our
local
economies.
Well,
we'll
stay
within
our
local
economies.
Far
more
than
fossil
fuels
expenditures.
Do
you
might
be
asking
yourself
why
you
would
pass
this
resolution
prior
to
the
release
of
the
ieso
study
that
is
being
undertaken,
and
I
say
the
reason
for
that
is
because
the
iss
is
ieso.
K
K
It
is
by
the
passing
of
resolutions
such
as
the
one
you
are
considering
that
builds
the
critical
mass
for
ontarians,
a
moving
forward
to
break
down
these
silos,
that
is,
holding
us
back
and
do
right
by
future
generations
of
ontarians
to
ensure
that
we
plan
for
the
emerging
low-carbon
transformation
coming
our
way.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
K
A
K
I
K
There
have
been
a
number
of
studies
that
have
compared
how
much
like
a
million
dollar
investment
in
a
big
trans,
big
generation,
fossil
fuel
versus
energy
efficiency.
There's
no
doubt
about
it.
Energy
efficiency
from
a
local
economic
development
is
is
much
much
much
more
supportive
of
local
economic
development
because
it
requires
more
labor
to
undertake
the
energy
efficiency
measures,
then
just
big
generation
or
pipelines
would
actually
result
in.
K
In
addition,
those
jobs
are
not
necessarily
only
temporary,
they
last
for
a
longer
term,
and
they
also
provide
more
economic
development
in
the
sense
that
it's
people
from
the
local
community
who
are
doing
the
work,
because
these
jobs
can't
be
outsourced.
You
need
to
have
local
players
in
the
market
undertaking
those
energy
efficiency
measures,
as
does
the
distributed
energy.
So
usually,
the
kind
of
studies
have
found
that
there's
nothing
better
for
local
economic
development
than
energy
efficiency.
K
That's
the
one
that
we
want
to
advance
as
much
as
we
possibly
can
then
there's
the
distributed
energy
resource
and
the
installations
that
take
place
on
that
one
and
fostering
that
economy.
That
is
provides
the
the
next
best
benefit
for
local
economic
development.
The
old
energy
system
of
the
past,
which
is
the
big
generation,
big
big
transmission
lines
with
electrons,
just
going
one
way
from
the
plant
to
the
consumer.
I
I
That'd,
be
great
sorry
for
that,
not
the
warning
chris,
but
so
that
the
standing
committee
on
environmental
protection,
water
and
waste
management
approve
that
the
motion
and
associated
recommendations
in
the
report
be
amended
to
add
the
following,
and
whereas
encouraging
the
deployment
of
distributed
energy
resources
will
help
to
enable
the
gas
generation
phase
out.
The
following
are
actions
which
could
be
undertaken
by
the
province,
the
ieso
and
the
ontario
energy
board
to
aid
with
the
deployment
of
the
ers.
A
A
Thank
you
and
thank
you
gabrielle,
to
get
just
to
thank
you
before
before
we
punted
you
back
to
the
viewing
room,
so
we
did
have
originally
liz.
Bernstein
was
to
speak
with
cafes
you're,
all
familiar
with
liz.
I'm
shopping
here,
jennifer
humphries
with
cafes
as
well
as
andrew
keller.
Herzog,
often
speak
here.
We
do
have
comments
from
lance
which
you
have
received,
so
you
can.
A
You
can
review
those
obviously,
unsurprisingly,
in
support
of
the
of
the
motion,
so
we
move
on
to
oliver
waddington
following
oliver
will
be
rob
barnes.
I
have
to
step
away
from
the
screen
for
two
seconds,
so
council
menard.
If,
if
oliver's
done,
we
move
to
rob
burns.
If
I'm
not
back,
thank
you
go
ahead.
Oliver
you've
got
five
minutes.
L
L
If
you
had
gone
for
a
walk
in
the
afternoon
back
in
july,
you
might
have
noticed
that
something
didn't
seem
quite
right.
Despite
it
being
midday,
it
looked
like
as
if
it
was
the
early
evening.
This
was
the
result
of
thick
plumes
of
smoke.
That
traveled
here
from
a
wildfire
complex
in
northwestern
ontario,
now
wildfires
happen
in
ontario
every
year.
However,
the
size
and
ferocity
of
these
fires
was
unprecedented
and
climatologists
say
that
actions
that
events
like
these
are
only
going
to
become
more
and
more
common.
L
The
devastating
tornado
outbreak
in
september
of
2018
that
caused
extensive
damage
to
council
el-shanterian
councilor
eglise
wards
was
in
part,
caused
by
a
multi-day
heat
wave
that
scientists
and
climatologists
say
will
be
much
more
commonplace
in
the
future.
If
immediate
action
is
not
taken
in
reducing
the
effects
of
human-caused
climate
change,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
this
way
as
the
second
largest
city
in
the
province
and
one
of
the
greenest
cities
in
the
countries.
L
We
have
a
responsibility
to
not
only
my
generation
but
all
future
generations
to
come
to
protect
this
planet,
because
it's
the
only
one
we
have
so.
This
is
why
I
implore
you
to
pass
councillor
menard's
motion
so
that
we
can
help
protect
and
improve
this
beautiful
city,
country
and
planet
that
we
have.
A
A
A
H
H
I
think
it's
a
really
important
motion
and
I'll
try
to
make
three
three
arguments
in
favor.
I
think,
fundamentally,
what
this
motion
is
about
is
standing
up
for
the
progress
the
city
has
already
made
on
climate
action.
You
know,
if
you
think
about
energy
evolution,
which
this
council
passed
unanimously.
H
A
lot
of
hard
work
went
into
that
plan
and
it's
a
it's
an
elaborate
plan
to
reduce
emissions.
But
despite
all
the
pages
you
know
100
or
so
pages,
any
good
plan
boils
down
to
two
things:
electrify
everything
and
then
decarbonize
the
grid.
So
today's
motion-
the
gas
plant
phaseout
motion-
is
really
all
about
grid
decarbonization
and
it's
also
about
making
good
on
the
investments
ottawa
has
made
to
date.
Think
about
what
we're
doing
as
a
city.
H
We,
electric
energy
evolution,
calls
for
mass
electrification
of
vehicles,
and
I
know
the
city
is
moving
forward
with
federal
funding
to
electrify
oc
transpo,
we're
talking
about
massive
investments
in
retrofit
improvements,
like
heat
pumps,
replacement
of
old
building
stock
policy,
improvements
in
the
new
official
plan
aimed
at
high
efficiency
and
electric
powered
buildings
and
community
energy
strategies.
Among
many
other
initiatives.
H
H
You
know
also
look
how
far
we've
come
historically
and
I'll
just
go
back,
maybe
10
years
we
we
already
heard
discussion
about
the
coal
phase
out.
That
phase
out
was
accountable
for
a
massive
reduction
in
ontario's
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
and
if
you
look
at
the
trend
lines
that
are
available
in
the
various
climate
change
master
plans,
you'll
see
that
it
had
a
serious
effect
on
ottawa's
electricity
emissions
right.
Provincial
policy
really
matters,
and
you
want
to
be
moving
as
much
as
as
possible
in
lockstep,
with
strong
provincial
policy
in
this
area.
H
We
heard
from
jack
that
if
the
province
proceeds
with
plans
to
ramp
up
greenhouse
gas
pollution
from
coal
or
from
gas-fired
plants,
ontario
will
lose
roughly
40
percent
of
the
pollution
reduction
benefits.
It
has
achieved
through
the
coal
phase
out.
So
that's
a
stark
move
backwards
at
a
time
that
we
can't
afford
it-
and
you
know
also,
this
is
important
just
in
terms
of
the
pure
numbers
and
and
you'll
see
this
in
the
staff
report
as
well.
H
Energy
evolution
projects
that
around
eight
percent
of
the
100
reductions
that
we
need
to
do
as
a
city
by
2050
need
to
come
or
will
be
coming
from
the
electricity
sector,
so
the
electricity
sector
and
the
the
cleanness
of
the
grid
really
matters
to
the
success
of
energy
evolution
and
to
our
success
as
a
city
in
you
know,
basically
going
forward
with
that
climate,
emergency
declaration
for
2019
and
numerous
other
measures,
including
many
in
the
in
the
new
official
plan.
The
council
is
entertaining
discussing
debating,
etc
and
I'll.
H
Just
quote
from
energy
evolution
in
on
page
44
of
the
document
is
written.
Eliminating
electricity
generated
from
fossil
fuel
in
ontario's
electrical
supply
will
be
a
long-term
activity,
and
provincial
commitments
in
this
area
could
partially
replace
the
need
to
install
capacity
in
the
community.
Now
we
heard
from
gabriella
calipos
that
you
know
installing
capacity
in
the
community
can
be
a
job
generator,
but
we
also
heard
you
know
talk
about.
You
know
the
challenges.
Sometimes
you
know
with
change
in
communities,
wind
farms
etc.
So,
there's
a
question
of
really.
H
You
know
how
much,
how
much
additional
capacity
are
we
going
to
build
and
how
much
more
will
we
have
to
build
to
offset
some
of
this
energy?
That
is
dirty
if
the
electricity
grid
is
dirty.
So
that's.
The
first
point
is
really
you
know,
let's,
let's,
let's
double
down
on
the
work
that
we've
done
today.
The
second
is
that
we're
really
asking
ottawa
to
join
many
other
cities
from
across
the
province.
H
You
know,
and-
and
we
heard
this
from
jack
earlier
currently
31
municipalities,
representing
more
than
50
percent
of
ontario's
population,
have
passed
resolutions
asking
the
government
of
ontario
to
phase
out
gas
plants
and
just
to
list
you
know,
go
through
the
whole
list,
because
it'll
bore
you
and
pick
up
all
my
time.
But
you
know
these
are
major
cities-
toronto,
st
catharines,
oakville,
guelph,
kitchener
hamilton.
H
H
You
know,
if
you
look
at
what's
happening
in
in
the
us
right
now,
president
biden
has
promised
to
create
a
100,
carbon-free
electricity
grid
for
the
us
by
2035
highly
ambitious,
especially
because
u.s
currently
gets
60
of
its
electricity
from
fossil
fuels.
In
ontario.
We're
only
talking
about
about
six
percent
of
provincial
electricity
from
fossil
gas,
so
phasing
out
our
gas
plants
by
2030
would
seem
to
be
a
reasonable
target.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
look
forward
to
any
questions
you
might
have.
J
J
This
seems
realistic
and
I
agree
my
concern
is,
I
don't
know
how
much
when
we
close
down
some
of
the
aged
nuclear
facilities,
I
don't
know
how
much
of
the
total
pie
that's
going
to
take
out
of
the
system,
and
I
don't
know
whether
what
is
going
to
come
out
of
the
system
can
easily
be
replaced
by
non-renewable
or
clean
sources.
That's
the
concern
I
have.
I
want
to
maintain
electricity
in
this
province.
J
I
don't
want
it
to
be
dirty.
I
don't
want
our
ghgs
to
go
up.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we've
got
a
plan
that
we
can
hit
and
I
agree
that
municipalities
need
to
encourage
and
pressure
the
provincial
government
to
go
this
route.
I
agree
with
with
the
motion
the
sentiments
of
the
motion,
but
do
you
have
any
sense
what
proportion
of
the
total
when
these
plants
come
offline?
They
represent
in
ontario.
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
counselor,
that's
a
that's
a
great
question
and,
and
you
know
maybe
it's
a
64
000
question
right.
What
are
we
going
to
replace
it
with?
I
don't
have
an
immediate
answer
there
at
ecology,
ottawa,
we
haven't,
you
know,
done
detailed
studies
of
the
provincial
energy
grid
and
where
ottawa
would
sit.
That
said,
you
know
some
of
the
folks
who
were
on
the
call
earlier
today.
Ontario,
clean
air
alliance
and
clean
air
partnership
have
done
a
lot
of
good
work
and
have
deep
expertise
on
this
file.
H
J
Maybe
we
want
to
invest
more
in
wind
and
solar,
but
certainly
partnerships
with
quebec
and
manitoba.
I
think,
need
to
be
further
enhanced
and
I
think
the
motions
that
say:
here's
where
we
think
you
should
focus
on.
I
just
think
that
would
be
helpful.
But
anyway,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
always
appreciate
ecology,
autism,
but
thank
you.
A
M
In
fact,
and
I'd
say,
the
provincial
government
has,
quite
frankly,
all
that
turned
its
back
on
climate
action
right
now
and
as
a
result
of
an
ideological
distaste
for
green
energy,
it
has
a
de
facto
plan
to
use
natural
gas
to
meet
power
as
pickering
comes
down
and
the
other
nuclear
plants
go
through
refurbishment
and
if
the
plan
was
just
a
short-term
plan
to
use
gas
as
a
bridge
while
refurbishment's
happening.
That's
one
thing,
but
that's
not
the
plan,
and
I
should
say,
plan
is
kind
of
set
in
quotation
marks.
M
There's
not
really
a
plan
right
now
in
ontario.
In
fact,
the
government
got
rid
of
the
requirement
to
have
a
long-term
energy
plan,
and
so
what
we
have
is
a
hands-off
approach
to
the
electricity
system
that
would
leave
us
reliant
upon
more
gas-fired
power
in
the
future,
because
we're
not
building
anything
else,
we're
not
contracting.
Anything
else
nobody's
been
directed
to
do
anything
other
than
just
lean
on
those
old
gas
plants,
but
we
have
an
opportunity
to
get
off
those
plans.
As
mr
gibbon
said,
the
contracts
expire
around
2030.
M
This
is
the
opportunity
to
do
this,
and
I
know
the
members
of
the
committee
know
this,
but
it's
important
to
make
clear
that
you
know
natural
gas
is
not
a
very
good
name
for
this.
This
fuel
it
should
be
called
fossil
gas.
It's
a
fossil
fuel.
Its
combustion,
contributes
to
climate
change.
The
combustion
of
fossil
fuels
drives
eighty
percent
of
climate
emissions.
M
The
plan
now
is
to
increase
natural
gas
use
by
three
hundred
percent
by
twenty
thirty,
so
three
times
more
than
using
it
now
and
five
hundred
percent
by
twenty
forty.
This
would
increase
emissions
from
electricity
sector
from
about
four
megatons
to
12
megatons
by
2030
and
16.
By
2040.,
this
is
tripling
carbon
emissions
by
2030
the
year
when
ontario
has
promised
to
cut
emissions
by
30,
so
these
things
do
not
fit
together.
M
It's
also
important
to
note,
as
as
jack
already
mentioned,
much
of
the
gas
we
use
here
in
ontario
is
fracked
gas
and
fracked
gas
is
much
much
more
polluting
than
than
other
gas,
because
a
lot
of
the
gas
is
released
into
the
atmosphere
during
the
fracking
process.
These
are
called
fugitive
emissions.
M
Clean
electricity
is
a
core
strategy
in
the
fight
against
climate
change
and
it's
entirely
possible
to
meet
ontario's
demand
for
power
without
relying
on
fossil
fuels.
You
know
ottawa,
as
it's
been
noted
before,
would
not
be
alone
and
calling
for
these
plants
to
be
phased
out.
31
municipalities,
representing
more
than
50
percent
of
ontario's
population,
have
passed
resolutions
asking
for
the
provincial
government
to
phase
out
the
use
of
gas
for
electricity.
M
M
This
is
totally
possible
for
ontario
or
strongly
urge
the
the
city
of
ottawa
to
support
this
resolution
to
support
this
motion
to
push
for
clean
power
to
push
the
province
in
the
direction
that
we
we
have
to
go
thanks.
So
much
for
listening
to
me
this
morning.
If
you
have
any
other
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
take
them
now.
A
N
Thank
you
good
morning,
counselors.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
this
morning.
So,
as
you
may
recall,
I'm
a
family
physician
in
ottawa.
My
name
is
dr
sarah
sloan
and
I'm
a
member
of
the
national
group
md
mums
for
healthy
recovery,
and
we
are
a
group
of
mothers
who
are
also
physicians,
who
are
dedicated
to
advocating
for
a
healthy
and
sustainable
future.
So
I'm
here
to
support
councilman
iran's
motion
to
phase
out
gas
power
plans
across
the
province
while
investing
in
clean
and
renewable
energy
resources,
including
hydro,
solar
and
wind.
N
Recently,
the
un
has
declared
a
code
red
for
humanity
and
has
called
for
emergency
level
action
from
all
levels
of
government
around
the
world
in
an
unprecedented
gesture.
Over
200
health
journals
have
united
in
calling
on
world
leaders
to
address
the
catastrophic
harm
to
health
from
climate
change
and
have
demanded
emergency
action
to
limit
temperatures,
protect
nature
and
preserve
biodiversity.
N
N
Natural
nature
journal
has
just
published
a
study
stating
that
fossil
fuel
extraction
in
canada
must
be
completely
phased
out
in
the
next
10
years.
If
we
are
to
meet
our
1.5
degree
targets,
it
goes
on
to
say
that
84
of
canada's
proven
reserves
must
be
left
in
the
ground
if
we
are
to
attain
1.5
degrees,
and
we
need
to
recognize
that
every
fraction
of
a
degree
above
this
target
threatens
millions
of
lives.
N
The
data
is
clear
that
to
save
lives
and
provide
a
healthy
and
viable
future.
We
must
immediately
discontinue
investment
in
and
extraction
of
fossil
fuels,
and
it
is
exactly
for
this
reason
that
I
and
md
mums
fully
support.
Councilmember's
motion
to
phase
out
gas
power
plants
across
ontario,
while
investing
in
sustainable
energy
sources.
N
N
Currently,
one
in
five
premature
deaths
worldwide
are
related
to
the
burning
of
fossil
fuels.
That's
20
of
all
deaths
worldwide
and
over
15
000
canadians
die
every
year
from
air
pollution
related
to
burning
fossil
fuels.
That's
here
at
home,
15
000
canadians
every
year,
and
the
number
is
thought
to
actually
be
much
higher.
A
A
O
O
If
you
don't
know,
canadians
for
nuclear
energy
is
a
grassroots
environmental
organization
that
recognizes
the
value
of
zero
carbon
emission.
Abundant
green
energy
from
canada's
can
do
reactor
fleet,
and
we
applaud
ottawa
city
council's
pro-environment
stance
on
eliminating
fossil
gas
electricity.
I
agree
with
all
of
the
other
speakers
that
getting
rid
of
gas
is
an
important
step
on
the
route
to
net
zero,
we're
fully
aligned
with
the
goal
to
eliminate
fossil
fuels
and
replace
them
with
low
carbon
electricity
sources
right
now.
O
O
The
international
panel
on
climate
change,
road
change,
road
maps
to
net
zero
show
that
society
needs
to
double
or
more
likely
triple
its
total
electrical
capacity.
To
achieve
80
percent
decarbonization
in
the
coming
decades,
this
will
allow
us
to
support
the
transition
to
electric
vehicles
in
electric
heat,
for
example,
and,
as
an
earlier
speaker
said,
we
need
to
clean
the
grid.
To
do
this,
we
need
to
double
or
triple
the
electrical
grid
and
clean
it.
How
best
can
we
manage
this?
What
are
the
options?
O
O
I
think,
unfortunately,
wind
power
has
been
an
unmitigated
disaster
for
ontario
ratepayers.
The
auditor
general
in
2015
noted
that
windmills
built
under
the
green
energy
act
cost
us
37
billion
dollars
above
market
rates
over
eight
years
and
ontarians
were
on
the
hook
for
an
additional
133
billion
of
losses
until
2032..
O
One
of
the
reasons
wind
is
not
a
great
solution
for
ontario.
Is
it
doesn't
produce
much
energy
in
the
summer
when
we
need
it?
The
most?
It
basically
produces
mostly
out
of
phase
with
demand,
and
so
we
are
forced
to
sell
it
at
cents
on
the
dollar
to
the
u.s,
because
we
don't
need
it.
At
that
point
we
have
stable
resources
like
hydro
and
nuclear
in
ontario.
O
Solar
panels
have
a
capacity
factor
of
about
13
relative
to
their
rated
output
due
to
the
northerly
latitude
when
averaged
over
weather
and
time
and
because
of
their
variability,
they
aren't
useful
for
eliminating
natural
gas
from
our
power
mix.
In
fact,
many
fossil
gas
companies
are
strong
supporters
of
solar
and
wind.
The
enbridge
website
states
that
renewable
electricity
requires
natural
gas
backup
when
the
wind
and
sunlight
aren't
available.
O
O
Unfortunately,
our
fossil
gas
uses
a
set
to
increase
in
2024
when
the
pickering
nuclear
station
is
scheduled
to
shut
down
pickering
supplies,
one
quarter
of
ontario's
clean
energy
and
electricity,
25
percent,
roughly
twice
the
full
output
of
all
of
our
windmills,
is
supplied
by
pickering
when
it
shuts
down
we're
going
to
fill
that
in
with
natural
gas
ontario
generation.
Ontario
power
generation
has
bought
several
natural
gas
plants
to
replace
the
pick
ring
production.
O
O
J
Thank
you
sharon.
Thank
you,
mr
scott.
I
did
get
your
email
and
I
did
go
back
and
I
read
a
little
bit
of
reading,
so
thank
you.
Two
questions
is
pickering
being
decommissioned
because
it's
completely
come
to
the
end
of
its
life
cycle
and
what
is
the
future
of
nuclear
power
in
ontario?
Where
is
this
on
the
provincial
plan.
O
Okay,
for
your
first
part,
pickering
is
aging
it's
our
oldest
nuclear
resource
and
based
on
the
lifetime
plan
for
can-dos,
it's
at
its
half-time
refurbishment
right
now,
bruce
and
darlington
are
being
refurbished.
We
have
the
skill
sets
they
are
on
budget
and
on
time
the
same
thing
could
be
done
for
pickering.
A
plan
was
put
forward
to
the
canadian
nuclear
safety
commission
in
2010,
but
ontario
stopped
following
it.
The
the
the
refurbishment
was
approved
by
the
canadian
nuclear
safety
commission,
which
would
extend
pickering
for
another
30
or
40
years.
O
That's
the
option
or
we
could
pay
the
same
amount
to
decommission
it.
Those
are
the
options
in
the
table.
We
can
decommission
it
for
eight
to
nine
billion
dollars
or
we
can
have
it
offset
25
of
our
clean
energy
for
30
to
40
years.
Ontario
power
generation
wants
to
shut
it
down
because
right
now
gas
is
cheaper.
They
want
to
burn
gas,
it's
not
being
taxed
and
it's
much
cheaper
for
them
to
pay
two
or
three
billion
dollars
to
buy
these
gas
plants
and
operate
them.
O
The
other
question
about
ontario's
plan
right
now,
as,
as
I
said,
bruce
and
darlington
are
being
refurbished,
so
they're
having
their
mid-life
refurbishments
and
ontario
has
talked
about
small
modular
reactors
as
a
potential
future
technology
right
now
that
technology
is
10
years
out
at
least
and
has
lots
of
technical
uncertainties
in
it.
We
know
that
the
can
do
reactors
work.
We
know
that
the
bruce
upgrades
are
working,
they've
been
done
on
budget.
O
We
know
that
the
darlington
refurbishments
are
on
budget
and
doing
well,
and
we
know
that
this
is
what
we
use
to
decarbonize
our
coal.
We
can
use
this
again
to
decarbonize
our
our
gas.
In
fact,
half
darlington
was
meant
to
be
twice
the
size
it
is.
We
could
expand
darlington,
we
should
be
expanding
darlington,
because
this
is
clean,
stable
base
load
that
we
need
to
decarbonize
our
entire
economy.
A
A
A
G
Thank
you
chair,
as
many
of
the
delegations
said
today,
this
is
in
line
with
energy
evolution.
Some
of
the
key
numbers
that
were
reflected
today
are
that
about
eight
percent
of
our
target
to
reach.
100
reductions
is
dependent
on
this
kind
of
phase
out
and
the
in
our
provincial
electricity
grid
and
the
friendly
amendment
that
we
offered
support
some
of
the
other
things
we
heard
today
about
the
importance
of
distributed
energy
resources
or
ders.
So
mike
fletcher
here
as
well.
A
Thanks,
I
will
ask
one
just
right
now,
so
that,
because
I
know
you
know
you've
seen
obviously
you've
been
in
touch
with
myself
and
counselor
deruse
and
counselor
kids
and
casual
chantery.
We
have
correspondents
here
today
on
the
wind
concerns.
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
the
the
motion
itself
is
not
strictly
saying,
go
out
there
and
fill
up
ottawa's
landscape
with
wind
doesn't
say
that
at
all,
but
I
get
there's
a
fear.
A
You
know
there
was
a
fear,
a
number
of
years
ago,
of
a
proposal
for
probably
six
of
the
tallest
wind
turbines
in
the
entire
province
to
be
located
in
north
korea.
We
heard
from
residents
on
that.
I
heard
from
residents
on
that
for
from
before
I
was
elected
and
until
after
I
was
elected
when
the
company
finally
went
out
of
business
and
the
proposal
died,
but
the
the
fears
are
still
there.
A
The
concerns
are
still
there
there's
a
belief
that
the
city
is
actually
encouraging
this,
that
we're
actually
going
to
go
out
there
and
and
and
apply
for
wind
and
do
it
ourselves.
We
aren't.
That's,
that's
never
been
a
plan
for
the
city.
That's
not
the
plan
in
energy
evolution,
nor
is
it
in
the
cloud
which
is
master
plan,
but
I
injured,
maybe
not
just
now,
because
it's
it
is
we're
in
a
formal
setting
like
this.
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
agree
with
what
you
said.
Energy
evolution
does
call
for
the
production
of
wind
at
a
regional
scale,
and
it
is
part
of
how
we
will
achieve
our
energy
evolution
targets.
That
said,
we
are
not
promoting
or
planning
to
currently
build
any
wind
turbines.
The
city
of
ottawa
is
not
planning
to
do
that,
but
we
have
heard
those
concerns
and
we've
been
working
with
ottawa.
G
Wind
concerns
to
respond
to
the
questions
that
they've
had
they've,
provided
some
very
thoughtful
and
detailed
comments
and
those
come
into
play,
particularly
when
we
look
at
our
official
plan
and
some
of
the
land
use
policies
which
are
being
considered
under
the
official
plan
and
those
will
carry
forward
and
the
concerns
that
they
have
voiced
can
be
more
can
be
considered
in
more
detail
as
we
get
into
the
implementation
of
the
official
plan.
Things
like
zoning
to
address
concerns
related
to
noise,
setbacks
and,
and
all
things
associated
with
those.
A
A
There
is
no
opportunity
to
apply
for
a
an
industrial
wind
project,
but
we
expect
that'll
likely
change,
but
it
there
is
an
opportunity
here
for
ottawa
to
actually
prepare
for
that.
I
know
in
the
past,
council
had
approved
a
motion
that
I
brought
forward
asking
the
province
to
provide
some
sort
of
a
role
for
municipalities
to
play
in
this.
A
I
know
there's
over
a
hundred
parties
in
ontario
that
have,
you
know,
declared
themselves
an
unwilling
host
to
this,
and
you
heard
from
the
ontario
clean
air
alliance
that
says
they
support
that
they
support
that
municipality
should
have
a
say,
and
I
think
this
council
supported
miss
palace
say,
but
we
also
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
we
are
preserving
a
cultural
land.
I
know
that
these
these
do
locate
themselves
on
a
private
cultural
land.
Some
will
say:
that's
not
a
loss.
There
is.
There
is
infrastructure
that
comes
with
this.
A
That
does
pull
away
from
primary
culture
land
when
they
are
located
there.
So
there's
a
lot
to
play
here,
there's
a
lot
to
look
at
from
a
zoning
perspective
from
how
the
city
can
plan
our
communities
and
our
growth
and
how
that
fits
in
with
renewable
energy,
and
I
think
that's
it's
important
that
we
look
at
that
in
the
official
plan
and
eventually
in
the
in
the
zoning
implementation.
I
hope
the
province
considers
some
of
this
stuff,
not
just
for
ottawa,
but
from
municipalities
across
ontario.
You
know
we
hear
municipalities
that
have
passed.
A
Motions
on
this,
st
catharines
has
no
real
land.
St
catharines
is
a
is
there's
there's
a
reason
why
st
captain
says
zero
urban
growth.
They
have
no.
Where
to
grow,
they
can
only
go
up,
they
can
only
go.
They
can
only
intensify
some
municipalities,
don't
have
the
same.
The
same
impacts
from
some
of
these,
these
rural
renewable
energy
sources,
and
we
have
to
try
to
balance
that
we
have
a
very,
very
large
city.
A
We
have
all
generally
worked
quite
well
together.
I
have
you
know
people
people
ask
often
how
can
you
you
know?
How
can
you
get
anywhere
with
only
four
rural
counselors?
We've
never
had
a
vote
on
this
council
11
years.
I've
been
here.
We've
never
had
a
single
vote
that
went
20
to
4
urban
versus
rural.
It's
never
happened,
so
we
have
a
collaborative
council
here.
A
B
A
J
Thank
you.
No,
I
will
not
be
grilling
counselor
menard.
I
do
support
the
sentiments
of
his
motion
and
thank
him
for
moving
it,
and
I
do
appreciate
the
delegations
and
some
of
the
q
a
we've
had
my
I'm
really
not.
I
need
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
the
second
motion.
That's
just
been
moved
today,
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
get
that
posted
on
the
screen
and
just
walk
through
them.
So
I
completely
understand
what
is
being
proposed.
P
Yeah
sure
thing
so
yeah,
there
were
three
main
aspects
that
we
thought
would
encourage,
distributed.
Energy
resources
and
distributed
energy
resources
would
practically
speaking,
probably
be
predominantly
solar
and
energy
storage
and
energy
evolution
foresaw
that
the
model
foresaw
that
quite
a
bit
of
the
solar
would
be
things
that
would
be
distributed
so
rooftop,
solar
and
small
scale,
solar
and
also
storage.
That's
on
the
distribution
system,
so
the
three
items
currently
there's
a
prohibition
against
third-party
ownership
of
net
metering
we've.
P
The
city
has
taken
advantage
of
third-party
ownership
of
the
past
in
the
form
of
roof
rental.
So,
if
you
think
of
some
of
our
large
our
large
facilities
like
wreck
facilities,
some
of
them
have
solar
on
them
as
roof.
Rentals
and
those
have
been
easy
to
do
a
good
source
of
local
generation,
and
we
would
like
that
to
return
virtual
net
metering,
of
course,
is
where
somebody
can
make
some
power
in
one
part
of
the
city
and
wheel.
It
somebody
else,
who's
willing
to
buy
it.
P
So
somebody
makes
some
renewable
power
and
somebody
else
purchase
it.
This
was
coming
along
and
and
has
stopped
and
would
certainly
encourage
distributed.
Energy
resource
development
in
ottawa
item
b,
allow
ders
to
participate
in
capacity
auctions,
so
capacity
auctions
are
auctions
that
make
sure
that
there
is
enough
power
for
the
peaks.
P
So
all
the
concerns
we
have
about
you
know
peak
days,
capacity
auctions
really
zero
in
on
them
and
to
some
extent
local
resources
can
contribute,
especially
battery
storage
can
contribute
to
to
capacity.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
they
can
and
even
variable
resources
can
be
relied
upon
at
certain
times.
You
know
even
a
cloudy
day.
A
solar
panel
will
make
some
power,
so
it
can
be
relied
upon
to
some
extent
to
handle
the
peaks
so
to
handle
capacity,
and
they
should
be
credited
for
that.
P
So
in
the
states,
for
example,
there's
system
operators
that
give
credit
to
solar
generation
for
the
capacity
contribution
they
are
able
to
do
and
the
last
one
is
about
bulk
energy
resources.
So
just
total
energy
electric
electrical
energy
we
need
over
the
year
as
bickering
is
going
out.
It
really
does
look
like
problems
will
move
forward
with
trying
to
procure
just
bulk
quantities
of
energy
and
we're
saying
that
this
ders
distributed
energy
resources
should
be
contributing
to
that
and
the
last
one
is
kind
of
more
at
the
regulatory
end.
P
P
J
A
A
Thank
you.
It's
often
it's
interesting
with
the
items
that
we
find
ourselves
here.
It's
it's.
It's
usually
stuff
that
we
don't
have
a
full
full
control
over.
You
know
we're
going
to
go
through
this
whole.
This
whole
solid
waste
master
plan
piece
and
there's
a
massive
chunk
of
waste
out
there.
There's
multiple
landfills
that
we
have
no
control
over
and
the
hydro
piece
is,
is
not
too
different.
A
A
We
have
an
update
on
the
final
regulations
for
provincial
transition
of
the
blue
box
program
and
hazardous
and
hazardous
and
special
products
program
to
individual
produce
responsibility.
Members
of
council
are
aware
that
we've
staff
I've
done
andre
gay
farley
has
done
phenomenal
job,
keeping
everyone
updated
on
how
these
transitions
are
occurring
at
the
province
and
what
the
impacts
are
to
the
city
of
ottawa
and
to
our
residents
through
to
the
with
the
ipr,
and
the
main
focus
right
now,
of
course,
is
the
blue
box
program
as
well
as
the
hazardous
and
special
products.
D
D
D
However,
with
the
tree
removal
notifications
offices
do
not
receive
the
tree
removal
permit,
so
it's
impossible
to
know
what
the
conditions
of
the
permit
are.
Therefore,
we
cannot
be
sure
if
a
replacement
tree
is
being
provided
or
the
owner
has
paid
the
compensation
fee
for
not
replacing
the
tree
retaining
and
growing.
Our
urban
canopy
is
vitally
important.
Greater
clarity
and
transparency
and
replanting
in
the
replanting
process
is
needed.
A
A
Our
next
meeting
is
tuesday
october
19th
2021,
and
there
are
no
elections
between
now
and
then,
but
we
might
have
one
at
some
point.
You
guys
my
election
coming
up.
I
said
over
under
at
the
start
of
this
term
for
2.5
on
by-elections
and
if
things
go,
anyone
picked
the
over
making
some
money
good
term.
Okay,
we'll
see
you
all
later.