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Transit Commission - Wednesday, March 31, 2021 – video stream
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A
It
was
a
good
day
yesterday.
Congratulations
on
all
your
work
and-
and
I
I
think
we
came
to
a
good,
a
good
conclusion
and
I'm
I'm
so
happy
that
it
passed
and
it
certainly
is
an
important
issue.
It's
you
know
like
I
was
telling
others
you
can't
put
the
genie
back
in
the
bottle.
You
can't
unring
the
bell
that
waste
is
there.
The
question
is:
what
do
we
do
with
it?
That's
right,
good.
D
A
B
G
G
G
G
G
I
J
B
D
G
G
M
M
I
know,
and
I
respect
that
there
was
comments
out
there,
that
we
haven't
been
looking
at
mitigation
measures
and
saving
money
and
so
forth.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
this
to
you
today
in
terms
of
the
timelines
so
starting
off
at
the
beginning,
the
pandemic
just
a
reminder
that
we
did
reduce
service
city-wide
on
the
bus
service.
We
went
50
immediately
and
that
was
to
reserve
capacity
and
resources
and
make
sure
that
you
know
early
days
of
the
pandemic.
Nobody
knew
what
was
going
to
occur
and
obviously
our
ridership
dropped
significantly.
M
We
have
saved
millions
of
dollars
through
mitigation
measures
without
impacting
or
leaving
any
customers
behind
that
needed
our
service
so
immediately
at
martin
march
and
you've
heard
the
city
manager
and
the
treasurer
talk
about
cost.
Mitigations
we've
closed
off
the
year
and
you're
going
to
see
in
the
in
the
fedco
report:
12.8
million
dollars
in
operating
savings
for
2020
and
20.4
million
capital
deferrals
again,
that
was
to
balance
service,
health
protection
and
also
the
bottom
line,
as
as
it
is
important
to
all
of
us
in
in
june
hard
to
believe.
M
M
Those
were
earlier
days
and
things
have
obviously
changed
the
second
wave
and
and
different
different
mutations
of
the
of
the
of
the
the
virus
and
so
forth.
So
we
brought
the
recovery
plan
base
on
transit
and
that
restored
full
bus
service,
and
that
was
a
strategic
move
that
was
done
in
partnership
with
public
health
because
we
wanted
to
ensure
adequate
spacing
for
our
customers.
The
variables
were
significant
in
terms
of
who
was
returning
to
work.
M
Restaurants
were
starting
to
open
up
the
summer
was
a
busy
time
we
knew
where
school
was
and
so
forth.
So
that
was
a
step
in
the
process
and
a
lot
has
happened
since
june.
We
then
tabled
the
budget
in
november,
and
I
want
to
emphasize
this.
What
you're
seeing
today
is
not
plan
c.
I
know
there
was
comments
in
the
media
and
social
media
that
we're
looking
at
plan
today
is
not
about
plan
c
we're
not
even
at
plan
b.
M
So
that's
a
108.3
million
dollars
and
counting.
So
that's
we're
very
good
there,
and
then
here
we
are
now
in
2021
and-
and
I
want
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
pat
and
his
team.
There's
people
like
colleen
connolly
behind
the
scenes
planners
they've
they've
brought
forward
to
me
a
plan
that
does
exactly
what
many
of
you
have
talked
about
is
leave
nobody
behind.
That
needs.
M
The
service
look
at
where
the
service
is
not
being
used,
redeploy
it
to
where
it's
needed
and
drive
out
savings,
and
we
this
took
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
thinking.
It's
again
right
up
there
in
some
of
the
best
work
I've
seen
in
my
years
in
transit
and
it
results
in
immediately
5.5
million
dollars
in
savings
for
2021.
M
You
have
11
million
dollars
at
your
disposal
for
2022,
which
again
doesn't
hurt
anyone
that
needs
the
transit
service,
because
they've
looked
at
where
the
service
is
needed,
where
it's
not
being
used
where
there's
parallel
routes
and
so
forth,
so
we're
taking
care
of
2020
and
we're
being
proactive
for
2022
that's
available
there.
If
ridership
picks
up,
we
just
redeploy
the
service
and
the
revenue
streams
will
start
to
come
back.
M
The
service
criteria
is
coming
to
you
in
april.
So
that's
the
report
that
chair
hubley
talked
about
that
will
be
the
criteria
we're
going
to
bring
that
to
you
in
april,
so
that
you
have
a
clear
lens
on
what
that
looks
like
so
so.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
go
through
all
the
steps
that
we've
done
to
date
and
I'll
now
hand
it
over
to
mr
string
scrimger.
E
E
So,
to
recap,
in
a
slightly
different
way,
john
was
talking
mostly
about
the
financial
decisions
that
were
made.
This
is
mostly
about
the
service
adjustments
that
have
been
made
over
the
last
year
in
march.
We,
you
know
at
very
beginning
the
pandemic
or
when
the
pandemic
first
came
to
ottawa
service
across
the
entire
network
was
reduced
by
approximately
50
percent
to
hold
our
operating
resources
in
reserve
in
the
spring
of
2020.
We
over
time
added
more
trips
where
customers
needed
them,
and
we
went
up
to
about
60
percent
of
our
normal
service
levels.
E
E
At
april
the
april
service
change
we've
got
reliability,
improvements
on
routes
all
across
the
city,
based
on
the
the
current
auto
traffic
levels
on
the
roads,
where
you
know
many
people
have
seen
the
buses
are
running
early
right
now,
because
traffic
is
so
light
and
as
of
the
middle
of
march,
our
ridership
across
the
complete
system
is
currently
at
27
percent
of
where
it
would
normally
be
next
slide.
Please.
E
The
next
slide
shows,
and
you
can
see
how
closely
our
pattern
matches
what
the
experience
was
all
across
the
world.
This
data
come
these
data,
come
from
the
international
benchmarking
group
that
we
belong
to
comet
the
community
of
metros-
and
you
can
see
here
in
the
yellow
line,
shows
the
immediate
drop
and
then
a
second
drop
in
the
asia
pacific
region
and
then
a
gradual
increase
in
ridership
and
they're
up
to
about
70
percent.
E
So
you
can
see
that
all
across
the
world.
The
pattern
is
the
same.
The
degree
is
different
by
continent.
North
america
almost
exactly
matching
the
pattern
we
have
and
just
to
put
this
in
context.
All
of
the
there's
many
many
transit
agencies
are
members
of
comet
and
all
together
the
we
all
the
members
of
comet
make
up
about
11
percent
of
the
world's
population.
So
a
great
part
of
the
world's
urban
population
is
represented
here.
The
next
slide,
please.
E
So
as
we
look
ahead
from
where
we
are
right
now
I
mentioned
that
you've
heard
me
say
earlier
that
our
ridership
started
the
year
at
about
18
of
normal
levels
in
january
by
the
middle
of
march,
we're
up
to
approximately
27.
That's
you
know,
that's
a
50
increase
in
ridership
in
two
months,
which
is
very
large.
E
The
public
health
measures
clearly
affect
ridership
because
they
advise
us
on
what
we
should
do.
Should
we
stay
home?
Should
we
go
out?
Can
we
go
out
and,
as
we've
gone
from
lockdown
to
the
to
the
summer,
to
the
the
next
restrictions
that
came
in
in
september
to
the
the
lockdown
and
stay-at-home
order
from
christmas,
then
to
orange
and
then
back
to
red?
All
of
these
have
pushed
ridership
levels
up
and
down
a
little
bit.
E
So
as
we,
you
know,
we
see
how
the
vaccine
rolls
out
and
see
how
the
public
health
restrictions
change
and
see
how
that
those
decisions
by
employers
and
institutions
change.
It
does
seem
reasonable
to
think
that
we
will
see
a
gradual
return
to
working
and
learning
on
site
through
the
fall,
but
perhaps
not
much
earlier.
E
So
this
report
we're
describing
to
you
the
service
adjustment
service
adjustments
that
are
coming
into
effect
in
june,
we're
not
talking
about
removing
service.
This
is
talking
about
service
levels
primarily
and
some
routes
that
run
parallel
to
each
other.
If
we
were
talking
about
service
cuts,
we'd
be
talking
about
the
removal
of
transit
service
from
an
area
at
all
times,
or
at
some
times
of
the
day
or
sometimes
of
the
week.
E
E
E
And
we
will
be
bringing
a
report
about
that
to
the
transit
commission
in
april,
outlining
the
principles
that
we'd
recommend
that
you
apply.
If
there's
a
decision
to
pursue
deep
service
cuts,
these
service
adjustments
that
we're
outlining
today
maintain
mobility
across
the
entire
transit
system.
All
parts
of
the
city
that
have
service
today
will
still
have
service,
but
what
we're
doing
is
calibrating
the
capacity
to
match
the
actual
demand
which
in
some
cases
is
very
low,
so
that
will
mean
a
longer
wait
time
for
some
people.
E
E
Some
service
improvements.
Some
improvements
to
respond
to
current
travel
needs
to
support
those
parts
of
the
city
where
ridership
has
not
fallen
and
to
support
those
customers
who
are
making
the
trips
where,
where
riotership
has
not
fallen
to
the
same
degree.
And
the
result
of
that
is
an
overall
reduction
in
operating
cost
service
does
remain
available
at
all
times
of
the
week
and
in
all
parts
of
the
urban.
B
E
These
services
run
in
rush
hours
only.
They
are
in
every
case,
almost
exactly
parallel,
almost
exactly
parallel
to
to
a
route
that
will
continue
to
run
and
for
almost
all
these
customers,
a
very
small
change
in
travel
time.
For
some
people
they
would
have
to
walk
to
the
sort
of
the
second
nearest
bus.
Stop
the
next
slide.
Please.
E
A
longer
list
of
routes
on
which
frequency
would
be
reduced
to
better
match
current
ridership
levels,
the
connection
routes
listed
there,
all
of
which
feed
into
blair
station
herdman
station
and
chinese
pasture
would
be
reduced
to
every
30
minutes
across
the
board.
The
average
there
is
that
those
routes
are
now
at
14
of
their
normal
ridership
levels.
E
In
almost
every
case,
carrying
a
single
digit
number
of
people
per
trip
and
a
30-minute
service
will
be
will
be
enough
to
accommodate
all
of
the
current
ridership
on
the
rapid
routes
listed
here.
39
57,
61,
63,
75,
97,
98,
small
frequency
reductions,
for
instance,
a
bus
that
might
that
now
runs
every
six
minutes
going
to
every
seven
or
eight
minutes,
a
bus
that
goes
every
12
minutes
to
every
15
minutes.
The
frequent
routes
listed
there
the
same
on
the
rapid
and
frequent
routes.
E
I
believe
it's
on
saturdays
and
at
the
time
of
the
report,
we
didn't
have
our
final
list
of
individual
trips
on
routes
early
in
the
day
or
late
in
the
day
that
would
be
removed
where
ridership
is
at
or
near
zero.
We've
now
completed
that
analysis,
there's
10
additional
trips
across
the
complete
system.
E
So,
as
I
say,
most
frequent
and
rapid
routes
will
continue
to
operate
at
least
every
15
minutes.
The
only
ones
that
aren't
are
the
ones
that
aren't
at
that
level
yet
are
currently
most
connection.
Routes
will
continue
to
operate
every
30
minutes,
the
only
ones
that
don't
are
those
that
already
run
less
frequently
than
that,
such
as
those
that
come
in
from
cumberland
richmond
places
like
that.
E
E
Now,
we've
also
got
a
number
of
routes
that
we
would
shorten
up
where
there
is
parallel
service
available.
You
can
see
them
here.
Route
15
the
midday
service
going
over
to
the
museum
and
get
to
know
route
37
would
start
an
end
to
plaster
layout
rather
than
blair
route.
40.
All
the
trips
that
are
extended
via
the
transitway
excuse
me
during
peak
periods
would
end
at
start
and
end
at
green
borough
route
55
would
start
and
end
at
westgate
shopping
center
route.
E
58
would
start
and
end
at
lincoln
fields,
rather
than
continuing
to
tiny's
pasture.
The
trips
on
route,
74
that
go
across
the
main
memorial
bridge
to
riverview
station
would
be
shortened
to
end
at
the
end.
Wood
station
routes,
83
and
84
would
start
and
end
at
baseline,
rather
than
continue
to
chinese
pasture
and
route
179
would
be
merged
into
one
of
the
the
new
bus
routes.
In
every
case,
these
routes
do
not
remove
service
from
these
shortenings
routes.
Do
not
remove
service
from
anybody.
E
They
do
require
an
additional
transfer
for
a
small
number
of
people,
but
in
every
case
the
number
of
people
using
these
parallel
services
is
very
small
from
an
average
of
one
person
per
trip
up
to
as
high
as
an
average
of
five
people
per
trip,
but
nowhere
near
the
normal
ridership
in
pre-pandemic
times
next
slide.
Please.
E
So
we
also
have
the
opportunity
to
reallocate
some
of
these
resources
to
other
services
either
to
support
particular
travel
needs
that
are
stronger
during
the
pandemic
or
to
make
some
structural
improvements
to
the
network
and
in
a
couple
of
cases
to
be
able
to
serve
new
employers.
New
work
locations
which
are
emerging
at
this
time,
so
route
11,
which
now
ends
at
confederation
square,
would
be
extended
across
the
mackenzie
king
bridge.
E
To
connect
with
the
redo
center
in
the
university
of
ottawa
route
19
serving
vanier
and
overbrook
would
be
extended
through
the
train
yards
shopping
district
to
herdman
station.
Clearly,
a
very
important
travel
need
right
now.
Route
32
would
be
extended
to
chapel
hill
station
to
cover
off
the
area
that
would
be
replacing
the
current
route
225.
E
Route
82,
a
small
change
there
to
operate
by
majestic
to
cover
off
part
of
the
temporarily
suspended
route.
284
saturday
service
increase
on
route
88,
a
route
crosstown
route
on
baseline,
where
ridership
has
been
strong
route,
98,
adding
sunday
service
on
a
route.
This
is
in
greenboro,
where
ridership
has
been
strong
and
where
sunday
service
has
been
historically
very
infrequent
on
route.
E
E
Until
the
roads
were
completed,
so
the
next
slide,
please
here's
some
maps
just
just
a
few
to
show
the
extension
to
route
19.
The
black
line
shows
the
current
route
and
the
blue
line
shows
the
extension
over
to
herdman
through
the
train
yards,
so
no
change
for
any
of
the
current
customers,
just
an
added
connection
from
vania
and
overbrook
to
the
shopping
area.
E
Next
slide,
please,
this
is
to
show
the
sunday
extension
of
route
55..
Currently
it
runs
on
sundays
only
on
the
black
section,
between
elm
vale
and
the
hospital
complex
on
smythe
road.
The
blue
line
shows
how
it
would
be
extended
on
main
catherine
raymond
chamberlain,
isabella
across
downtown
and
carling
over
to
westgate
shopping
center,
and
you
can
see
how
there
how
it
connects
many
many
hospitals
along
its
entire
length.
E
That
is
equivalent
to
a
saving
of
about
five
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
this
calendar
year,
because
these
changes
will
come
into
effect
at
the
end
of
june,
so
approximately
halfway
through
the
year
when
we
get
to
a
full
year.
If
the
saving
is
still
required
in
2022,
then
we
start
the
year
with
with
a
saving
of
11
million
dollars
in
a
full
year
already
in
place.
Of
course,
if
right
ridership
returns
and
we're
able
to
restore
any
of
these
services,
that
would
always
be
their
our
preference.
E
So
these
service
changes
begin
on
sunday
june
20th.
Some
of
them
are
weekday
only
so
they
would
the
changes
there
on
the
friday
before
the
monday
after
we
are
currently
working
on
preparing
the
schedules.
Getting
ready
to
do.
The
workforce
administration
have
people
sign
for
the
work
and
get
all
the
customer
information
ready,
and
there
will
be
extensive
customer
information.
We'll
get
those
details
out
to
customers
in
the
weeks
leading
up
to
the
service
change,
so
they
know
what
their,
what
the
changes
are
that
affect
them
and
what
their
choices
are.
G
M
G
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
manconi.
I
I
also
want
to
extend
my
thanks
to
pat
and
and
to
the
team
for
the
work
done
on
here,
because
one
of
the
things
that's
included
in
this
is
the
redeployments
which
I
think
is
is
very
good
news,
because
it's
areas
currently
not
served
that
we
know
there's
a
demand
in
that
area.
G
So
I'm
thinking
that
we're
going
to
get
new
transit
customers
out
of
this
effort
to
redeploy
some
routes
and
certainly
in
talking
with
councillor
harder,
she
feels
the
same
way
about
the
the
news
service
to
bear
haven.
So
I
want
to
highlight
that
there's
also
a
lot
of
good
news
in
this
report,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
So
we
have
eight
pieces
of
correspondence
I
believe
so
far.
So
hopefully
everybody's
got
a
copy
of
those,
and
now
we
can
move
to
the
speakers
list
to
get
some
questions.
N
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
having
us
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
transit
commission
has
been
doing
on
this
important
file,
but
I'd
like
I,
I
know
that
they
mentioned.
There
are
no
service
cuts
in
this
report,
but
I
I
think
the
issue
in
front
of
us
today
is
much
bigger
than
a
service
cut
or
money
saving
tactics.
The
issue,
as
I
see
it,
boils
down
to
the
public
trust
in
our
in
the
system:
reliability
and
resiliency
of
the
public
transit
system.
N
N
N
N
Sorry,
my
son
is
just
playing
here,
so
these
in
fact
affect
our
reliability
of
the
system
and
between
september
and
december
2019
the
buses
arrived
on
schedule
only
54
of
the
time
on
weekdays,
and
we
had
2.4
cancellation
of
trips,
and
we
know
that
high
cancellation
are
usually
attributed
to
trouble,
recruiting
and
retaining
drivers
and,
in
fact,
pre-pandemic.
The
drivers
have
been
struggling
with
bad
working
conditions
as
a
direct
result
of
shortage
of
drivers,
so
they
had
unrealistic
schedules,
heavy
interlining
being
asked
to
work,
overtime,
low
recovery
period
times
and
burnout.
N
If
we
don't
really
work
out
to
have
their
conditions
improved,
you
know
just
with
the
70
cuts
that
are
coming
and
the
already
shortage
of
100
before
the
pandemic.
We
really
need
to
think
of
this
I'd
like
you
to
consider
that,
instead
of
slashing
the
much
needed
services,
the
city
should
be
considering
adding
more
drivers
so
to
mitigate
the
overtime
spending.
The
city
has
been
spending.
11
million
year-over-year
increases
over
on
overtime.
N
So
over
I'm
just
talking
about
transit
service.
Here
in
2017
it
was
2.24.7
million
dollars
in
overtime,
2018,
27
million
and
2019
38.4
million.
If
we
try
to
mitigate
that
overtime,
spending
left
be
able
to
get
some
of
that.
Saving
that
you're
aiming
to
achieve-
and
my
second
point
is
from
a
city
planning
point
where
we
are
trying
to
plan
our
official
plans
based
on
transit.
We
want
more
people
to
take
active,
transit
and
public
transit
and
we
want
to
have
more
development
and
identification
happening
in
these
areas.
N
We
need
to
con
maintain
the
public
trust
in
this
system,
and
my
last
point
is
with
regards
to
the
customers,
those
14
percent.
Although
they're
drop
a
high
drop
from
what
we
used
to
have,
they
don't
have
the
choice
to
take
other
options.
If
they
did,
they
wouldn't
be
taking
public
transit
in
the
midst
of
a
pandemic.
N
These
are
our
most
vulnerable
people
and
we
are
in
this
together.
If
we
want
to
provide
a
surety
to
all
of
our
residents,
we
have
to
maintain
the
service
for
them
and
keep
it
and
look
for
other
ways
to
get
these
savings,
and
we
also
have
the
federal
government
committing
to
to
more
money
into
transit.
So
we
can
look
into
that.
Okay,.
G
Thank
you
so
much.
I
just
want
to
point
out
the
the
wait
list
that
you're
talking
about
when
we
were
short
drivers.
That
was
during
the
build
up
to
lrt
one
opening
and
we're
running
parallel
services.
We're
we're
not
short,
you
know.
Even
if
we
weren't
in
the
middle
of
pandemic,
we
were
not
short
drivers
once
the
system
began
to
to
be
running.
So
we
have
one
question
for
you
here:
councilor
cavanaugh.
B
H
N
In
terms
of
the
actual
roots,
none
of
them
affect
me
personally,
but
I
have
seen
that
they
have
proposed
that
certain
the
customer
then
give
me
one.
Second,
please,
of
course
it
wouldn't
work
out.
If
I
have
a
rattlesnake
instead
of
me
here,
you
do
a
great
job.
So
so
one
of
the
things
is
I.
I
noticed
that
there
were
cuts
of
the
peak
hour
services
and
these
sometimes
are
important
for
people
who
are
trying
to
get
their
kids
from
daycare
or
school
or
going
to
work.
N
You
know
they
may
not
be
hitting
somebody
who
is
like
me
and
you
who
is
not
needing
a
disservice,
but
I
remember
taking
transit
and
rush
hour
was
my
best,
because
I
had
the
option
of
getting
a
bus
when
I
may
have
missed
the
other.
If
a
bus
is
delayed,
I
could
still
catch
another
alternative
route
and
if
we're
limiting
these
options,
it's
it,
it
may
jeopardize
the
ability
of
these
vulnerable
people
to
take
the
transit.
You
know
if
they
have
to
wait
for
an
hour
or
a
half
hour.
N
N
People
who
are
using
this
service
are
the
ones
who
don't
have
the
choice
to
work
from
home,
there's
they're
the
ones
who
must
be
on
time
to
their
jobs
or
to
school,
to
tests
to
exams,
and
one
of
the
issues
when
I
was
researching
this
is
even
the
yellow
school
buses
when
they
had
shortage
of
drivers
in
september
2020.
One
of
the
solution
was,
you
know
what
people
could
bring
their
kids
using
the
oc
transport.
So
if
we're
going
to
be
slashing
oc
transpo
as
a
reliable
service,
it
could
put
that
whole.
N
It's
basically
the
public
trust
in
the
service.
This
is
what
I
am
really
afraid
of
when
we're
slashing
this
in
the
medicine
pandemic.
This
is
what
I'm
concerned
about.
I
I
used
to
take
transit
up
until
I
went
overseas
to
a
developing
country,
and
I
was
so
thrilled
when
I
found
the
transit
station
right
next
to
me
and
I'm
like
yeah.
I
can't
take
the
bus
here
because
I
did
not
want
to
drive
and
my
husband
said
it
is
not
a
reliable
service.
N
It
was
only
taken
by
you
know,
frontline
workers
in
that
country
who
did
not
have
the
affordability
of
having
a
car,
and
so
I
never
drove
in
that
country.
Although
I
had
a
bus,
stop
just
downstairs
right
and
when
I
came
back,
I
am
back
to
driving
I,
although
I
took
transit
for
10
years
before
that
it
just
when
I
came
back,
I
realized
taking
transit
is
going
to
take
me
double
the
time,
if
not
more,
to
get
where
I
want
to
get,
and
I'm
sure
not.
N
H
G
O
O
I
got
booted
out
I'll
start
again
now
so
hi
everyone.
This
is
not
my
first
transit
meeting
for
years
now,
with
free
trains
at
ottawa,
I've
been
advocating
to
the
city
for
improved
and
accessible
public
transit.
It
doesn't
seem
like
it
should
be
a
challenging
ask,
especially
for
a
city
that
has
declared
a
climate
crisis,
but
instead
it
seems
to
be
the
same
story
over
and
over
again,
where
fares
rise,
roots
are
cut,
service
levels
fall.
G
O
I
invite
counselor
meehan
and
others
who
took
the
transit
we
challenge
a
few
years
ago
to
remember
what
they
experienced
with
full
service
levels.
At
that
time,
it
was
an
impossible
challenge
for
many
of
you
using
the
service
that
you
ask
your
citizens
to
rely
on
was
impossible
for
just
one
week.
Some
of
you
even
refuse
to
try
you're,
not
busier
you're,
not
more
important
than
the
other
citizens
of
ottawa.
You
just
currently
have
the
privilege
of
owning
a
car
and
paying
for
parking.
O
What
I
think
that
shows
is
that
many
of
you
are
at
best
loosely
aware
of
how
our
transit
system
works.
In
reality,
the
budget
that
you
presented
with
the
root
adjustments
makes
things
sound,
very
neat,
very
easy.
There
will
be
no
harm
to
anyone
as
someone
who
used
to
take
the
root,
the
six
and
the
seven
roots
daily,
sometimes
more
than
daily.
The
suggested
reduction
in
frequency
of
those
roots
to
every
15
minutes
actually
sounds
like
a
welcome
improvement,
because
at
times
I've
waited
45
minutes
for
those
routes
in
the
past.
O
O
O
I'm
not
going
to
use
my
full
five
minutes
today.
I
think
that,
given
who
most
of
you
represent,
I'm
not
optimistic
that
these
comments
are
going
to
be
considered,
but
I
do
want
to
ensure
that
counselors
are
aware
that
there
are
community
groups
paying
attention
to
climate
and
to
equity
and
to
the
decisions
that
are
made
today
and
that
have
been
made
over
the
past
year.
I'm
also
going
to
request
that
I
can
remain
in
the
call
after
my
speaking
time
today.
O
P
P
I
used
to
I
I
don't
nearly
as
much
anymore
and
I'll
tell
you
when
it
it
it
stopped,
was
root,
optimization,
I'm
not
sure,
maybe
you're
too
young
to
remember,
but
I
used
to
be
able
to
take
a
bus
and
I
could
catch
one
of
three
going
home
coming
back,
so
I
never
waited
more
than
like
five
six
minutes,
so
it
was.
It
was
an
easy
thing
to
do
for
me
and
I
didn't
mind,
you
know
you
know
inclement
weather
whatever
and
with
root
optimization.
P
What
happened
was
buses
were
all
still
there.
It
was
an
adjustment,
but
it
wasn't
cut
because
it
meant
that
then
I,
if
I
went
out
there,
was
only
one
bus
coming
and
not
you
know
a
choice
of
two
or
three,
and
I
can
tell
you
I
never
took
a
bus
again.
I
take
the
train
now
often
because
you
know
I
can
just
go
out
and
I
know
it's
coming,
but
I
I
stopped
taking
the
bus.
P
I
started
just
to
walk
to
work,
I'm
fortunate
to
have
that
to
have
that
that
option.
So
I
just
want
to
ask
you
like:
is
that
the
kind
of
decision
making
that
you
make
as
somebody
who
counts
on
transit?
You
know
when
we
say
yeah
it'll
come
you
know.
Instead
of
every
eight
minutes
will
come
every
15
or
instead
of
every
15,
every
20
or
20
that
could
be
25..
O
Yeah,
absolutely,
I
think
that
there's
there's
two
parts
to
it
and
the
first
is
that,
as
I
mentioned,
the
schedules
are
not
100
reliable.
So
when
we
say
it's
going
to
be
20
minutes
between
buses,
it
doesn't
mean
every
20
minutes
on
the
dot
a
bus
shows
up.
It
means
sometimes
it's
15
and
sometimes
it's
25
or
30..
O
It
goes
past
me,
I'm
now
30
minutes
before
I
can
get
where
I
need
to
go
instead
of
15
instead
of
20
and
so
trying
to
make
it
to
again.
People
are
scheduling,
vaccine
appointments,
they're
trying
to
get
to
kova
testing.
They
will
have
to
switch
to
uber.
A
lot
of
them
might
end
up
buying
a
car,
and
once
you
buy
that
car
you're
not
going
back
on
transit
and
so
we're
talking
about
these
ridership
levels
coming
back,
but
when
we
make
the
service
less
usable
for
the
people
that
are
still
using
it.
O
D
Hi
kristen
thanks
so
much
for
for
joining
us
today
and
and
offering
your
thoughts.
I
certainly
hear
them
and
I
appreciate
them.
They
have
not
fallen
on
deaf
ears
with
me.
One
question
I
have
is
when
I
was
reading
through
the
report.
What
struck
me
was
the
mention
that
there
would
be
reduced
service
in
the
evenings
as
well
as
further.
Some
customers
may
have
to
walk
further
to
get
to
the
next
bus
stop
or
or
to
get
to
a
bus
that
could
take
them
to
their
destination.
D
O
If
I
know
that
it's
a
one
kilometer
walk
to
try
to
catch
my
bus,
some
people
walk
faster,
somewhat
slower.
I
can
run
to
my
bus,
but
some
people
don't
have
that
option
and
so,
when
you're
trying
to
catch
that
one
bus,
that's
coming
for
the
next
20
or
30
minutes,
and
if
you
have
to
run
a
kilometer
to
catch
it
and
you
miss
it,
then
now
you're
standing
alone
in
the
dark
for
20
or
30
minutes
waiting
for
your
next
bus.
O
D
Thanks
kirsten,
I
I
absolutely
agree
with
you
and
that's.
What
struck
me
about
this
report
as
well,
was
that
I
have
concerns
about
whether
or
not
a
gender
and
equity
lens
was
applied
to
it,
especially
with
respect
to
to
the
distances
that
people
are
going
to
have
to
walk
and
and
having
to
wait
longer
for
a
bus
in
the
evening.
I'm
thinking
about
folks
who
are
essential
service
workers
and
whatnot,
you
don't
have
a
choice,
so
thank
you
very
much
kristen.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Those
are
my
questions.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
I'd
like
to
first
acknowledge
that
we're
on
the
unseated
and
surrendered
nationality
territory
of
algonquin
people
and
something
important
to
keep
in
mind
whenever
we
have
these
discussions
and
must
recognize
their
continued
exclusion
when
it
comes
to
conversations
happening
inside
the
institution
of
city
hall.
I
My
name
is
sam
hirsch,
and
I
am
not
sure
my
video
is
on
sorry
about
that
and
I'm
speaking
today
as
a
member
of
horizon
ottawa,
but
also
as
a
transit
user
and
a
resident
of
ottawa.
What
we
see
before
us
today
is
is
a
proposal
to
make
massive
cuts
to
our
transit
system.
According
to
the
report
submitted
to
this
committee,
dozens
of
routes
will
see
reduced
service
and
nine,
in
particular,
will
be
completely
suspended.
I
Some
reaching
low-income
neighborhoods,
all
of
them
tracing
the
entire
city
and,
contrary
to
what
the
chair
of
this
committee
has
repeatedly
said
to
the
media,
we're
not
only
talking
about
the
connection
routes,
but
also
a
multitude
of
routes
that
are
not
only
express
buses
routes
that
range
from
bar
haven
to
water,
rich
beacon,
hill
and
beyond.
Those
affected
are
not
only
commuters
from
the
burbs.
As
sir
hubliah
said
on
the
radio
but
they're
essential
workers
and
transit
dependent
individuals,
they
say
service
will
return
when
the
pandemic
is
over,
but
that
is
entirely
unclear.
I
That
will
happen.
These
cuts
will
not
make
our
transit
system
more
innovative
will
not
make
our
system
more
efficient,
and
it
is
certainly
not
to
help
riders,
and
you
might
know
that
if
you
were
actually
to
do
some
public
consultation
of
which
mr
manconi
has
it
already
admitted,
there
was
none.
These
cuts
aren't
adjustments
or
service
changes.
These
cuts
are
quite
plainly
and
simply
what
they
sound
like.
I
This
is
austerity.
You
wouldn't
cut
the
budget
of
a
fire
station
if
there
were
fewer
fires
or
cut
down
on
staff
at
hydro
ottawa.
If
there
were
less
people
using
electricity,
the
same
should
be
true
of
public
transit,
because
that's
what
it
is,
a
public
service
people
will
still
be
riding
and
needing
those
routes
regardless.
If
there
is
high
ridership
on
it
or
not,
the
goal
of
a
transit
system
shouldn't
be
to
turn
a
profit
and
sometimes
deficits
deficits
are
warranted,
but
while
we're
on
the
topic
of
money,
let's
let's
address
that.
I
We
know
that
the
city
doesn't
lack
the
financial
resources.
In
fact,
the
city
recently
announced
last
week
a
surplus
of
22
million
dollars
in
2020.
the
report
that
announced
this
went
on
to
say.
The
savings
can
now
be
used
to
help
offset
any
additional
unfunded
covenant.
19
pressures
in
2021,
like
transit,
say
the
report
then
says
79.4
million
dollars
of
this
total,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
been
used
yet
but
must
be
used
by
march.
31,
2021
and
any
unused
funds
must
be
returned.
I
There
cannot
be
any
clearer
indication
that
the
money
to
keep
our
trend
system
going
without
massive
cuts
like
this.
These
is
so
obviously
there.
If
you
all
already
continue.
If
you
all
today
continue
to
support
the
proposed
cuts,
you
are
showing
working-class
ottomans
that
their
ability
to
get
to
their
jobs
is
not
a
priority
for
you.
If
you
were
looking
for
places
to
cut.
Let's
look
at
strand
her
drive,
for
example,
a
road
expand
expansion
project
costing
the
city
113
million
dollars.
I
This
misguided
move
will
make
it
more
difficult
for
pop
for
people
to
access
the
vaccine
most
likely
having
negative
net
negative
effects
on
the
community
at
large.
We
should
follow
the
lead
of
municipalities
like
niagara
region
and
have
actually
decided
to
make
transit
free
for
those
going
to
their
vaccine
appointments
because
they
recognize
more
accessible
and
reliable
transit
system
is
key
to
beating
this
virus,
that
is,
innovation,
not
service,
cuts,
finding
a
real
solution
to
a
difficult
problem
that
helps
everyone.
I
Something
majority
of
the
on
this
committee
failed
to
recognize
the
teams,
and
I
mean
just
looking
at
the
graph
with
with
the
pentamic
ridership
levels
across
europe
that
that
north
america
and
latin
america
that
that
that
scrims
are
showing
thank
you
very
much-
has
to
make
oc
transpo
management
scratch
their
heads.
What
are
the?
What
are
they
doing
in
europe,
nor
latin
america
and
and
and
asia
pacific
that
we're
not
shouldn't?
I
This
committee
needs
to
do
the
right
thing
and,
at
the
very
least,
defer
these
misguided
cuts
and
sit
down
with
residents
and
transit
riders
instead
of
blindly
cutting
roots,
because
a
few
counselors
said
so
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
us,
the
residents
that
you
serve
and
your
decisions
must
begin
to
reflect
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
G
L
So
much
here
I'll
just
turn
on
my
video
too
yeah,
so
I
turned
up
today
because
I'm
I'm
first
of
all
disappointed
that
we're
talking
about
this
instead
of
a
plan
to
really
bring
back
ridership,
but
also
specifically,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
arguments
today
don't
hold
up.
I
mean
we
talk
about
empty
buses,
but
you
know
people
are
still
using
this.
L
I
mean
it's
a
public
service,
so
in
that
regard
we
have
to
make
sure
that
it's
serving
them,
whether
it's
five
or
500
using
it,
and
I
think,
as
has
been
echoed
already
it's
absurd-
that
these
are
going
to
start
in
june.
I
mean
we're
doing
pretty
well
with
vaccines
in
ottawa
and
a
lot
of
people
be
vaccinated
by
then
probably
going
to
want
to
take
the
bus,
so
we
should
make
sure
they
have
more
options,
not
less.
L
L
A
lot
of
commissioners
here
are
on
the
transport
commission
and
you
know
on
council,
so
this
is
doable
if
we
wanted
to
to
harmonize
these
budgets-
and
it
would
be
more
in
line
with
the
city's
stated
vision
of
reducing
pollution,
encouraging
bus,
ridership
above
cars,
so
yeah,
I
think
we
should
be
talking
about
how
we're
going
to
bring
back
ridership
long
term
and
the
transit
death
spiral
is
already
a
concern
because
of
the
pandemic.
So
we
shouldn't
continue
to
actively
cause
it.
L
L
Maybe
I
will
ditch
my
car,
maybe
I'll
come
on
the
bus
and
we
can
actually
improve
ridership,
let
alone
people
in
the
pandemic
who
are
using
the
bus
they
aren't
going
to
want
a
crowd
there
with
people
and
the
less
time
they
spend
on
the
bus
the
better.
So
what
I've
just
said
you
know
off
the
cuff
is
a
better
plan
than
what's
before
us
because
it
treats
transit
as
a
service
rather
than
a
cost
burden,
which
I
think
is
a
really
important
distinction.
L
It
focuses
on
expanding
ridership
rather
than
slowly
letting
people
gravitate
away
from
transit,
there's
a
big
difference
between
being
efficient
with
money
and
being
cheap.
If
we
cut
service
rather
than
improve
it,
we're
just
tying
our
own
hands
and
we're
not
even
trying
to
be
creative
about
implementing
the
goals
that
we
constantly
talk
about,
whether
it's
climate
change
or
improving
bus
service.
Thanks
everyone
for
listening.
C
Lauren
all
right,
thank
you.
My
name
is
laura
and
I'm
a
member
of
the
ottawa
transit
writers
and
of
courage,
ottawa,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
proposed
service
changes
and
to
remind
you
that
there
are
many
people
who
cannot
be
here
today,
who
will
be
impacted.
In
particular,
the
proposed
adjustments
will
hurt
transit
dependent
individuals.
C
C
C
C
C
I'm
not
normally
someone
who's
shy
or
easily
intimidated,
but
the
idea
of
walking
tour
at
home
alone
from
bell's
corners
to
wherever
I
could
get
a
bus
which
ended
up
being
bayshore,
didn't
seem
like
a
wise
or
appealing
choice,
especially
when
I
was
already
tired
from
working
a
10
hour
shift.
But
it's
what
I
had
to
do.
C
C
Now
that
almost
everyone
carries
a
cell
phone,
while
these
things
might
be
true
in
part,
none
of
it
matters,
if
you
don't
have
the
money
for
a
cell
phone,
let
alone
for
a
ride
share
or
if
the
earlier
late
bus
trip
that
you
rely
on
is
cut
and
you're
stranded.
Several
kilometers
from
your
destination.
C
Back
in
2004,
my
former
union
local
steelworkers9597,
made
a
similar
presentation
to
highlight
some
of
these
same
realities.
It
seems
like
we
haven't
learned
much
in
the
last
17
years.
For
me,
one
of
the
most
jarring
points
is
that
your
report
says
that
some
of
the
early
morning
and
late
night
trips
will
be
removed,
but
there's
no
indication
of
which
trips
these
are
yet.
This
lack
of
transparency
makes
it
hard
for
riders
to
have
confidence
in
their
ability
to
get
around.
C
C
D
Okay,
and
with
the
reduced
the
reduced
trips
in
the
evenings
and
and
early
mornings
and
and
further
and
for
some
bus
stops
having
to
walk
further
to
get
to
a
bus,
stop
that's
actually
serviced.
Does
that
does
that?
Would
that
cause
you
to
rethink
taking
public
transit,
say
in
the
evening
or
early
morning?
If
you.
C
Had
the
option
yeah,
if
I
had
an
option-
and
I
knew
that
I
was
gonna-
have
to
be
standing
on
the
side
of
the
road
or
you
know
like
walking
a
long
distance.
I
would
yeah
I'd
try
to
find
like
I'd.
Ask
somebody
for
a
ride.
If
I
could,
I
would
be
trying
to
figure
out
other
ways
around
it.
I'm
fortunate!
Now
that
I
don't
have
the
same.
Eight
dollar
an
hour
shift
work
job.
So
that's
you
know
it's
good
news
for
me,
but
for
a
lot
of
people.
D
Q
What
we'd
really
really
like
to
talk
about
are
the
consultations
or
actually
the
rather
shocking
lack
of
consultations
around
this
around
these
root
cuts.
It's
frustrating
because
I
think
that
it
was
known
that
this
was
coming
and
it's
probably
been
worked
on
for
a
while,
but
public
transit
is
a
service
and
it's
primary
role
is
to
get
people
from
point
a
to
point
b,
I
am
a
little
mystified
as
to
how
anybody
can
figure
out
how
to
modify
a
service
without
asking
riders.
Q
You
really
don't
know
if
a
person
riding
one
bus
would
prefer
to
ride
a
different
bus
if
it
went
a
little
further
or
started
15
minutes
earlier
or
went
around
to
a
different
bus
stop
without
asking
people-
and
I
think
we
have
a
golden
opportunity
right
here
right
now
to
actually
talk
to
people
who
are
transit.
Dependent
oc
transpo
has
focused
for
a
very
long
time
on
suburban
to
downtown
commuters
and
the
pandemics
going
to
change
that
a
huge
amount.
Not
only
has
it
already
changed
things,
but
even
moving
forward.
Q
So
we
do
need
to
be
talking
about
providing
public
transit
services
to
everyone
else,
people
who
are
commuting
to
grocery
stores
and
commuting
to
hospitals
and
commuting
to
pharmacies,
and
that
sort
of
thing-
and
as
far
as
I
know,
the
only
way
to
ask
riders
is
to
conduct
consultations.
So
what
I'd
like?
What
I
really
ask
the
transit
commission
is
between
now
and
june,
is
to
actually
conduct
meaningful
consultations.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
do
these
online,
and
this
really
opens
things
up
to
people
who
would
not
normally
be
able
to
attend
in
person.
Q
We
could
be
talking
to
people
who
would
otherwise
stay
home
because
they've
got
child
care
issues
or
because
they
have
abilities
difficult
to
get
out
or
because
they
live
out
on
the
outskirts
of
the
city
and
find
it
very
difficult
to
get
in
to
a
consultation.
We
do
have
a
really
good
opportunity
here
to
actually
talk
to
communities
and
talk
to
people
who
are
transit
riders
about
the
kind
of
service
they
want,
and
we
could
ask
questions
like.
Would
you
prefer
a
longer
slower
bus,
or
would
you
prefer
two
short
buses?
Q
I'd
give
that
example
as
out
here
in
vanier.
I
don't
know
whether
the
venue
teens
know
that,
but
the
vania
teens
that
go
to
gloucester,
high
school
and
pearson
high
school
starting
sometime
in
april,
are
gonna
lose
their
number
12
bus
and
they're
gonna
have
to
start
taking
two
buses
at
a
time.
I
think
you
need
to
ask
people.
Is
this?
What
you
want
is
this
going
to
be
effective?
Is
this
going
to
be
okay?
Q
Theoretically,
you
could
get
there
just
as
fast,
but
some
people
prefer
to
take
one
long,
bus
anyways.
The
other
thing
that
I
want
to
talk
about
is
transfer
windows.
Very,
very
briefly.
You've
already
admitted
that
a
lot
of
these
changes
are
going
to
make
service
much
slower
much
longer.
I
don't
think
that
people
should
necessarily
have
to
pay
extra
for
that.
So
I'd
really
like
you
to
reconsider,
extending
the
transfer
window
or
changing
things
or
making
day
passes
a
little
bit
more
affordable.
Q
P
I
lived
in
canada
for
years
and
and
took
a
number
60
bus,
so
I
I
understand
how
they
how
they
operate
and-
and
perhaps
they
will
suffice
for
now,
but
it's
those
it's
those
routes
that
take
you
from
your
home
to
the
hospital
if
you're
working
there
or
if
you
have
to.
If
you
go
to
visit
whatever
it's
that
it's
those
routes
that
take
you
from.
P
From
your
perspective,
because
I
think
you
probably
talked
to
more
transit
writers
than
any
of
us
do
regularly.
Do
you
believe
that
it's
those
routes
that
we
have
to
be
most
concerned
with?
In
terms
of
the
I
mean,
I
know
we're,
calling
them
adjustments,
but
when
there's
less
buses
running
to
me,
that's
it's
a
cut.
It
is.
It
is
a
cut
and
service,
it's
a
reduction
in
service.
Q
Yes,
actually,
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
a
difference
between
what
you
plan.
Theoretically,
if
everything
works,
just
fine,
these
buses
will
work
just
great,
but
in
reality,
if
you're
actually
experienced
in
riding
the
bus
around
ottawa,
you
know
that
some
buses
are
more
reliable
than
others
you,
but
you
know
that
some
buses
are
sometimes
overcrowded.
You
know
that
some
buses
get
stuck
in
traffic
more
often
so
those
buses
that
you
mentioned
in
vanier,
the
the
12,
which
is
the
absolute
workhorse
of
of
of
the
east.
Q
It
needs
to
come
frequently.
It
needs
to
come
regularly.
There
need
to
be
enough
buses
that
it's
not
overcrowded.
What
local
people
do
is
they
might
ride
different
buses
around
for
a
short
while,
but
the
12
is
the
one
they
they
rely
on
to
get
to
where
they
need
to
go,
and
so
I
can't
speak
for
other
communities,
but
we
have
we
have
chapters
in
different
areas
of
the
city
and
everybody
has
a
list
of
buses
that
are
absolutely
essential,
which
is
why
I'm
calling
for
consultations.
Q
I
really
really
don't
understand
how
you
can
make
cuts
without
asking
people
without
without
saying
which
buses
work
for
you
and
which
buses
don't
work
for
you,
and
are
you
taking
this
bus
because
this
bus
got
cut
you
you
need
to
be
talking
to
communities,
and
you
know
now,
when
everybody's
used
to
being
online,
we
can
certainly
do
this
more
easily
than
we
could
before.
There
are
lots
of
ways
of
doing
this.
Q
The
city
did
a
fabulous
job
with
consultations
when
they
were
talking
about
the
montreal
road
detours
at
least
the
first
half,
and
then
we
never
heard
what
other
people
said.
We
never
heard
what
the
results
were.
We
never
heard
whether
the
the
opinions
given
were
actually
used.
So
I
think
that
we
have
the
way
of
the
the
ability
to
do
that,
and
I
think
that
is
a
very
democratic
way
of
doing
this.
Ask
the
people
who
use
the
system.
What
do
you
need
from
the
system
if
you
do
it
top
down?
Q
P
P
It's
the
other
workhorse
from
the
12.,
and
I
hear
about
it
every
day
around
4
30
when
she
drags
herself
into
the
house,
but
many
many
people
don't
have
the
option
of
of
walking
the
45
minutes.
You
know
it's
different
when
you're
13,
I
suppose,
but
no
I
hear
you.
I
think
that
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
to
be
considered-
and
I
appreciate
you
coming
out
and
and
sharing
that
and
I
hope
to
have
more
consultation
on
what's
going
to
happen
in
june.
Thank
you.
Thanks,
chair.
G
F
F
F
I
take
the
257
me
and
my
son
we
get
up
every
morning.
We
leave
the
house
at
6
15.
we're
home
again
by
maybe
5
15
5
30
in
the
evening,
because
we
he
goes
to
school
downtown.
I
work
downtown
and
yeah.
We
take
the
257,
our
bus
is
gonna,
be
cut,
but
I
guess
like
I
understand.
Sometimes
it's
just
me
and
the
boy
on
the
bus.
You
know
I
remember
before
the
pandemic.
F
It
was
standing
room,
only
standby
trainia.
It
was
standing
room
only
and
you
know
people
used
to
try
to
give
up
their
seat
for
the
child,
and
I
would
I
would
say
no
don't
get
up.
He's
got
to
learn
to
stand.
You
know,
I
thought
it
was
a
skill
he
was
going
to
have
to
have,
but
now
it's
just
me
and
him
sometimes
maybe
one
or
two
other
people.
So
I
understand
they
need
to
cut
and
to
restructure,
but
I
don't
think
you
should
be
cutting
the
budget
for
transit.
F
I
think
that
this
should
be
going
into
finding
finding
ways
to
make
transit
better.
Like
the
person
who
spoke
before
me,
they
talked
about
how
some
of
these
office
workers
is
not
coming
back.
Yeah.
You
can't.
You
can't
count
on
that
market
to
ever
come
back
and
while
transit
was
serving
that
market,
they
excluded
a
lot
of
other
people.
You
know,
like
I
remember
those
people
that
used
to
fill
the
bus.
These
well-dressed
office
types
you
couldn't
have
like
hobos
and
junkies
on
the
bus,
along
with
those
people
they
wouldn't
rise.
F
While
you
were
trying
to
sell
this
service
to
the
affluent
commuters,
you
were
excluding
other
people
with
things
like
the
price.
When
you
try
to
exclude
one
group,
you're
gonna,
it's
gonna
spill
over
into
including
someone
else
you
know
like
if
you
want
to
include
intoxicated
people
from
a
state
who's.
Also
gonna
exclude
people,
people
with
medical
conditions.
F
Right
now
again,
this
is
about
community
consultation
for
the
cut
you're,
making
the
cuts
based
on
the
numbers.
The
ridership
that's
actually
decreased
on
these
routes.
It's
like
you're,
not
even
coming
close
to
measuring
the
unpacked
market.
You
have
in
these
neighborhoods
the
people
that
you've
been
excluding
for
years
right.
It's
it
has
to
do
with
with
your
administration
being
too
focused
on
captioning
capturing
revenue
from
the
poorest
people,
so
yeah,
it's
like
ridership
is
down.
It
makes
numerical
sense.
F
I
can't
deny
it's
just
me
and
the
boy
on
the
bus,
but
I
know
there's
people
in
my
neighborhood
who
would
take
the
bus
if
it
was
more
affordable.
You
know
I
don't
think
you're
consulting.
You
might
be
recognizing
the
drop
in
ridership,
but
you're
really
ignoring
the
potential
riders
that
could
be
using
this
service.
You
know
it's
also.
It
makes
the
service
crappier.
This
focus
on
the
revenue
captured.
Like
I
already
gave
you
the
hours
me
and
my
son.
F
F
The
bus
stops
you
get
on
the
bus
driver
wants
to
wants
you
to
pay
or
something
the
people
with
the
car
they
just
tap
and
they
keep
moving
that's
fast,
but
every
time
the
bus
stops
and
some
poor
person
has
to
negotiate
with
the
driver
with
their
little
coins
and
the
driver
keeps
the
door
open.
While
the
person
is
dropping
the
coins
in
like
what
is
he
going
to
do?
Kick
the
person
off?
If
they
don't
have
enough
and
then
they
have
to
forfeit
the
initial
coins
that
they
put.
F
I'm
talking
about
the
257
my
route,
that's
being
cut
my
express
route
that
goes
downtown
now,
I'm
going
to
take
the
168
and
the
61..
Those
are
both
slow
coaches
that
make
all
the
stops.
Those
are
both
slow
coaches
that
make
all
the
stops
and,
if
you're
going
to
be,
if
you're
going
to
have
a
culture,
that's
focused
on
revenue.
Gathering,
it's
going
to
be
even
slower.
F
G
F
G
G
J
Okay,
thank
you
for
having
me
I'm
bling
cameron,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
central
ottawa
acorn
chapter
and
I
live
in
centertown
and
I
require
the
use
of
the
power
wheelchair
and
I
am
here
to
represent
acorn
and
our
membership.
As
many
of
you
know,
acorn
is
a
grassroots
community
membership
driven
group
of
low
and
moderate
income
people
fighting
for
social
and
economic
justice.
J
Many
of
acorn's
members
include
frontline
workers
working
at
or
near
the
minimum
wage
in
essential
jobs
who
who
need
to
have
options
like
that?
As
the
previous
gentleman
mentioned,
you
know,
a
pretty
essential
route
for
him
is.
Is
being
cut
the
necessities
these
these
people
having
to
use
the
bus
it's
necessitated
in
order
to
get
to
their
essential
work
as
grocery
store,
clerks,
personal
support,
workers,
hospital
hospital
admin,
staff,
janitorial
services
and
many
more?
J
Not
everyone
has
the
privilege
of
working
from
home
as
covert
restrictions,
have
eased
we've
actually
seen
a
10
increase
in
ridership
and
in
june
we'll
be
begin.
Seeing
the
general
population
getting
vaccinated,
ridership
needs
time
to
bounce
back
and
making
cuts
now
to
service
will
only
make
it
more
difficult
for
riders
who
need
this
essential
service
for
work
and
groceries
and
creating,
or
it
creates
a
barrier
to
medical
appointments,
including
covet
testing
and
vaccinations,
and
it
will
also
keep
others
in
their
cars,
contributing
to
climate
change.
J
J
It
has
up
to
this
point,
but
it's
it's
not
continuing
to
decrease
for
now.
So
more
people
on
fewer
buses
isn't
safe,
I'm
I'm
lucky.
I
live
in
the
core
of
the
city,
but
many
low-income
people
are
not
able
to
afford
to
live
near
major
transit
routes
and
they
need
to
access
it.
The
most
they're
continually
displaced
and
pushed
further
and
further
to
the
margins
of
our
geographically
enormous
city,
making
way
for
luxury,
condos,
developer
profits
and
poor
train
route
choices,
heron
gate
and
manor
village
come
to
mind
on
that
front.
J
Low-Income
people
often
cannot
afford
to
take
taxis
or
ubers
or
get
a
car
from
such
long
distances
to
make
up
for
for
cuts
to
service
to
such
an
essential
thing.
As
public
transit,
the
city
council
continually
invests
in
road
expansion
for
privileged
car
users,
while
reducing
and
cutting
public
transit
for
the
most
vulnerable
of
our
city,
which
is
also
antithetical
to
the
city's
declaration
of
a
climate
emergency.
G
I
want
you
to
come
back
to
the
report.
It's
about
adjustments,
it's
not
about
cuts!
We're
talking
about
changing
some
of
the
trips
that
you
speak
of,
will
change
from
a
15
minute
service
to
a
30-minute
service.
I
highly
doubt
it's
going
to
take
the
two
people,
as
we
heard
in
the
last
example
of
a
route,
the
two
people
that
are
on
that
route
and
that
is
changing
from
15
minutes
to
30
minutes.
It
doesn't
take
away
the
transit
service.
J
Reallocate
funds
from
other
areas
that,
by
making
the
service
less
frequent,
reducing
it,
it
is
like
a
cut
because
that
that
discourages
people
from
coming
back
to
the
service.
If,
if
they're
unable
to
to
use
it
and
it
it
it's,
it
just
doesn't
serve
them
I'll
get
back.
Do
we
we
need
to
focus
on
making
our
public
transit
more
accessible,
affordable
and
user
friendly?
J
G
Blaine,
I
can
assure
you
the
roots
will
come
back
if
the
ridership
is
there,
we
have
the
process
in
place
to
add
roots
back
in
if
necessary.
So
I
I
just
have
one
question
for
you
and
then
the
counselor
kenny
has
one
of
all
your
acorn
members.
Did
anyone
mention
anything
any
route
out
of
this
adjustments
report
that
was
negatively
impacting
them
and,
if
so,
what
route?
And
how
was
that
there
there
will
be
members.
P
Chair
thanks
blaine.
My
question
was
similar
to
to
the
chairs
I
have
heard
from
people
specifically
about
which
routes
will
affect
them
and
how
it
will
affect
them:
routes,
six
and
seven
that
go
down
bank
street.
That
people
count
on
count
on
to
get
to
essential
businesses
to
get
to
groceries,
to
get
to
pharmacies
to
get
to
day
cares
so
so
I
have
heard,
and
so
I
was
going
to
ask
you
the
same
question.
P
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
that
others
are
are
coming
up
after
you,
the
55
I
have
serious
serious
concerns
about
and
that
the
buses
that
run
up
and
down
maryville
road,
for
example
the
80
and
the
86.
I
think
I
brought
up
earlier.
I
have
serious
concerns
because
they
are
the
the
very
transit
cuts,
call
them
what
we
all.
May
I'm
not
not
sure
why
we
thought
nobody
would
show
up
to
oppose
what's
happening
here
today,
but
good
on
you
for
showing
up,
even
though
you're
being
a
bit
badgered
here.
P
So
thank
you,
blaine
for
coming
out.
I've
already
answered
my
question
and
I
look
forward
to
other
members
also
coming
and
letting
us
know
what
we're
doing
with
their
tax
dollars
and
what
we're
doing
with
their
public
transit
and
how
it's
going
to
negatively
affect
them.
This
doesn't
negatively
affect
any
one
of
us.
Thanks
blaine.
G
Okay,
thank
you
blaine
for
your
presentation
today
and
council
mckinney
for
the
record
I'm
just
trying
to
stick
to
the
report,
which
is
what
we're
dealing
with.
We
can't
get
into
these
offline
discussions
because
we
will
take
away
the
opportunity
from
people
to
talk
about
specific
report
routes
and
how
they're
impacted.
So
I.
P
G
R
Sorry
about
that,
I
belong
to
acorn
as
well,
and
I
live
in
vanier
and
I
think
that
all
citizens
must
are
need
accessible
and
available
transit,
and
this
includes
the
price
affairs,
as
the
lrt
is
only
a
few
kilometers
in
length
and
the
city
buses
should
be
able
to
get
to
the
stations
but
most
buses.
I
use,
are
only
every
half
hour,
which
means-
and
I
have
to
take
two
buses,
which
means
that
if
I
miss
one,
I
have
a
half
hour
wait
to
get
the
next
bus.
R
R
R
G
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
There's
a
couple
of
questions
for
you
and
I
appreciate
hearing
your
firsthand
experience
with
this.
I
don't
know
if
you're
aware
enough,
but
commissioner
brockington
obviously
had
a
successful
motion
earlier
this
year
to
bring
in
a
family
pass,
so
that
example,
you
gave
of
trying
to
get
places
with
three
kids
that
new
past
that's
coming
is
actually
going
to
address
that.
So
we
are
hearing
those
experiences
and
we're
trying
to
find
ways
to
help
people
with
that.
First
up,
I
believe,
is
councilor
mckinney.
P
Thank
you,
chair
thanks
stephanie,
for
for
coming
out.
I
just
want
to
confirm
something
and
you
don't
have
to
answer
one
way
or
the
other,
but
you
you
said
you
lived
in
banya
you
either
own
your
own
home
or
you
rent
one
or
the
other.
Don't
tell
me
what
you
don't
have
to
tell
me
which
one,
but
that
is
the
case
right.
Yes,
yes,
okay,
so
you
are
a
taxpayer.
P
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
be
able
to
point
that
out
and-
and
thank
you
for
your
for
coming
out
today
and
and
pointing
out
just
what
it
is
and
and-
and
I
agree
with
chair
hubley-
we
are
always
looking
for
ways
to
enhance
the
service
things
like
family
passes,
so
that
you
know,
and
other
you
know,
passes
that
that
help
people
in
in
different
circumstances,
and
I
hope
that
you'll
be
able
to
take
care
and
take
advantage
of
that.
But
I
do
want.
D
D
D
D
My
father
has
mobility
issues,
so
so
I
understand
that
point
of
view
and
how
difficult
it
can
be
to
even
you
know,
walk
to
the
community
mailbox,
and
so
my
question
is:
is
that
if
you
had
to
walk,
say
for
example
and
x
to
the
next
bus,
stop
the
next
available
bus
stop
in
your
neighborhood,
because
that's
where
the
bus
would
be
coming?
Would
that
be
really
really
difficult
for
you
with
your
mobility
issues.
R
D
Yes,
absolutely,
I
agree
with
you,
ms
graham,
it
is
an
accessibility
issue
and
it's
it's
also
an
issue
that
we
need
to
not
exclude
or
or
make
life
harder
for
those
amongst
us
whose
lives
are
already
a
little
bit
hard
or
very
hard.
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
sharing
your
perspectives
with
us,
not
only
your
own
personal
perspective,
but
also
perspectives
of
others
in
in
your
in
your
area
and
in
acorn.
I
truly
truly
appreciate
it.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Those
are
my
questions.
G
B
B
B
S
Hello,
my
name
is
lauren
steven
monday,
I
am
a
member
of
acorn
as
well,
and
I
also
live
in
vanier,
I'm
coming
here
to
speak
for
my
own
personal
experience
as
an
oc
transfer
writer,
it's
important
because
this
is
almost
single-handedly
going
to
affect
low
and
working-class
people.
Basically,
anyone
who
has
to
take
the
bus
who
people
who
have
lost
their
jobs,
who
they've
been
if
they
have
been
affected
by
the
pandemic.
They
have
lost
their
hours.
S
S
We
are
getting
increased
vaccination
rates
right
now,
so
in
the
next
month
or
year,
or
so
the
ridership
will
pick
up
and
it's
going
to
be
the
same
thing
that
happened
when
they
cut
when
we
saw
the
reduction
in
bus
and
buses
for
the
train
line,
one
and
the
train
turned
out
not
to
fulfill
our
needs.
There
was
a
lot
of
gaps,
a
lot
of
breakage.
S
This
is
the
same
as
we
had
before
and
we're
supposed
to
be
so
just
to
sing
and
and
we're
having
cut
and
we're
having
cuts
to
our
services.
It's
really
the
front-line
essential
workers,
I'll
think
of
the
psw's
who
take
the
buses
who
work
with
vulnerable
people.
When
you
look
at
this,
the
cuts,
in
fact
the
like
affect
the
entire
city,
I
use
like
the
17
and
the
15
are
among
the
roots
that
I
use.
I
use
it
to
go.
S
Grocery
shopping
is,
and
I
try
to
be
efficient
and
hit
the
pharmacy
and
so
on
and
so
forth
on
the
way
home.
My
partner
volunteers
and
works
on
morrison
drive
out
near
ikea.
The
therapist
looking
at
the
the
proposed
changes,
their
butts
that
go
to
handgate
vinnie,
the
others.
These
are
all
low-income
areas.
They
will
be
difficult
to
ramp
up
this
after
this
reduction
and
people
won't
be
able
to
come
back.
S
S
It's
going
to
make
this
more
difficult.
Her
commute
is
venue
to
ikea
she's,
already
struggling
to
keep
a
connection
with
the
outside
world.
She's
already
had
her
role
in
in
her
organization
produced,
and
she
feels
left
out.
She
has
a
hearing
impairment.
It
makes
she
makes
her
much
more
difficult
to
to
participate
with
mass
mandates,
which
is
understandable,
but
she
also
can't
just
call
a
cab
she's
at
the.
S
She
is
at
the
at
the
mercy
of
surge
pricing
on
red
share,
apps
and
also
like
we
have
visit
for
essential
travel
such
as
getting
groceries
done
and
go
into
the
bank
apps
that
can
deliver
to
your
house,
but
they
have
a
10
surcharge
so
over
200
grocery
order.
That's
a
lot
of
money
over
a
year
going
to
the
grocery
stores,
which
is
way
cheaper
for
people
like
my
family,
who
are
on
a
budget
even
on
the
current
system.
S
S
S
How
much
will
this
cost
to
hire
people
back
afterwards?
We
say
it's
through
attrition,
but
there
is
a
cost
for
hiring
training
and
bringing
people
back.
I
don't
trust
that
we
were
going
to
get
the
same
level
of
service
as
it
has
done
before.
This
is
just
a
sneaky
way
of
going
after
the
working
class,
the
working
poor
and
people
who
are
low
income,
okay,
they're
people
who
can't
afford
a
car
we
can't
afford
to
uber
every
day.
S
S
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
there
are
two
groups
that
I'm
a
part
of
that
I
would
like
to
speak
to
today.
The
first
is
one
that
I
think
often
gets
left
behind
in
federal
and
municipal
and
provincial
governments,
not
as
disabled
canadians
and
especially
young
disabled
canadians.
We've
had
people
speak
to
mobility
issues
with
seniors,
but
I
have
a
disorder
called
pots
as
well
as
chronic
pain,
and
so
because
I
have
pots,
I'm
not
allowed
to
get
a
driver's
license.
S
S
S
I
used
to
be
able
to
bike
places,
but
that's
no
longer
a
reality
for
me,
so
public
transit
is
basically
my
only
way
of
getting
around
the
city
and
additionally,
university
students,
which
has
been
mentioned
in
the
presentation
as
one
of
the
places
that
we
would
like
to
see.
Ridership
come
back
as
one
thing
that
I
don't
know
how
aware
you
are
there's
still
thirteen
hundred
students
living
on
carlton
residents,
who
primarily
use
the
seven
bus
to
get
groceries
to
get
to
pharmacies
to
get
anywhere
in
the
city.
S
That
is
the
main
bus
that
we
are
using,
as
well
as
the
line
two
replacement
bus,
so
there's
still
thirteen
hundred
students
living
on
campus
that
will
be
affected
by
these
cuts
on
this
carleton
campus
specifically
and
then
the
general
outside
of
residence.
Like
talking
to
university
students
and
my
peers,
a
lot
of
people
are
like
how
do
you
use
the
bus?
This
often
like?
S
I
would
never
use
the
bus
I
hate
using
the
bus,
they
complain
about
cuts,
and
that
is
why
a
lot
of
university
students
don't
use
it
and
will
walk
like
if
they're
able
to
they
will
walk
40
minutes
to
school
rather
than
taking
the
bus.
So
I
think
that
these
cuts
they're
increasing
the
already
prevalent
wait
times
at
bus
stops,
is
not
going
to
help
bring
university
student
ridership
back
specifically
to
carlson.
S
I
can't
speak
for
you
ottawa
or
algonquin,
but
for
us,
since
we're
kind
of
out
further
outside
of
the
city
core,
a
lot
of
people
really
hate
using
the
bus,
and
I
hate
the
weights
it'll,
make
them
late
for
classes.
I'm
currently
missing
a
class
to
be
here
right
now,
because
I
care
about
this
issue
a
lot,
but
the
the
increased
wait
times
from
these
cuts
are
not
only
going
to
impact
disabled
people
living
in
ottawa,
but
also
university
students
and
it'll
make
them
less
likely
to
use
the
buses.
G
T
Good
morning,
chair
and
committee
council
members,
my
name
is
sophia:
I'm
a
27
year
old
resident
at
beacon
hill
and
I'm
here
to
urge
you
to
not
accept
the
service
adjustments
proposed
on
the
report
being
discussed
today
when
the
pandemic
started.
The
federal
government
asked
us
to
work
from
home
if
possible,
and
that's
what
a
lot
of
us
did.
The
provincial
government
has
been
implemented,
lockdown
measures
in
order
to
stay
home
and
that's
what
I
did
but
now
seeing
the
report
that
route
224
is
on
the
chopping
block.
T
T
So
I'm
confused
to
say
the
least,
not
being
able
to
take
the
express
route
and
having
to
take
route.
24
puts
an
x
at
least
an
extra
10
minutes
on
my
commute
and
affects
my
office
hours
and
how
I
organize
my
morning
and
also
how
I
come
back,
I'm
at
a
point
in
my
life,
where
I'm
choosing
where
to
settle
down
ottawa
has
always
been
a
top
choice
for
me,
because
in
the
past
few
years
you
have
made
strides
to
improve
public
transit,
but
I
proven
this
report
will
be
a
step
backwards.
T
I
don't
own
a
car,
I
don't
intend
to
it's
expensive,
so
accessible
and
robust
public
transit
is
a
top
three
factor
on
deciding
where
I
want
to
live,
and
it's
discouraging
to
see
that
this
report
prioritizes
banned
aid
savings
while
hurting
the
communities
affected
of
the
services
that
are
intended
to
serve.
We
should
be
talking
about
how
to
improve
our
transit
system,
not
how
to
make
it
more
isolated
for
individuals
and
families.
I
want
to
live
here.
T
I
want
to
stay
here,
but
I
do
not
want
to
live
in
a
city
that
is
disconnected
and
where
it's
hard
to
get
around
as
a
young
person.
I'm
also
very
concerned
about
climate
change,
and
the
city
has
a
huge
role
to
play
to
ensure
we
have
a
livable
future
and
public
transit
is
at
the
core
of
a
greener
city.
Cutting
routes
and
extending
wait
times
would
force
some
people
to
take
ride,
share
services
just
to
put
it
into
perspective.
T
T
Lastly,
I'm
concerned
that
the
report
doesn't
stipulate
an
end
to
this
temporary
suspension
and
extend
wait
times
from
what
I
was
able
to
see
and
more
often
than
not,
I've
seen
changes
such
as
these
become
permanent.
This
will
be
a
loss
for
the
community
and
for
making
a
city
for
making
ottawa
a
city
worth
settling
down
in.
T
I
have
a
question
and
is
what
was
the
consultation
process
for
this
report?
I
learned
about
it
just
by
yesterday,
just
by
fluke
at
8pm
at
night,
so
I
wrote
very
rushed
notes
and
I
have
family
members
who
use
these
routes
on
a
regular
basis
that
don't
even
know
that
this
is
happening.
Family
members.
There
are
frontline
workers
that
are
women
that
would
have
to
extend
extended
distances
just
to
get
to
the
bus
stop,
and
it's
just
unfair
that
they
don't
even
have
a
say
in
this
matter.
K
K
I've
fought
for
this
route
for
many
many
years,
and
I
also
will
be
asking
many
of
the
questions
that
you
brought
up
to
city
staff
when
we
get
our
opportunity
to
ask
that
that's
my
biggest
fear,
too,
is
that
224
services
a
lot
of
let's
face
it,
there's
a
lot
of
government
workers
on
that
on
that
bus,
and
I
want
to
know
when
crowds
start
coming
back
and
I've
heard
two
sides.
I'll
be
very
honest.
I've
heard
people
saying
why
is
there
polluting
buses
that
are
empty
driving
around
the
community?
K
H
H
That
would
be
very
useful
for
us
to
hear
to
to
find
out
how
they're
being
affected-
and
I
appreciate
the
counselor
of
the
area
is
interested
as
well.
Perhaps
there
can
be
some
communications
with
them.
Is
that
possible
to
yeah?
Because,
yes,
yes,
is
it
possible
that
you
could
that
if
you're
hearing
from
people
that
are
saying
this
is
an
issue,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
to
know
about
it
to
to
document
it
because
we're
dealing
with
specific
cuts,
and
we
should
know
if,
if
they're
directly
impacted.
T
So
I
will
be
more
than
happy
to
be
an
intermediary,
if
necessary,
to
bring
those
voices
to
the
front
so
that
you
folks
can
also
hear
them
firsthand
of
how
this
is
impacting,
like
my
my
cousins,
my
partner's
family,
on
how
they
are
not
even
gonna
that
how
they're
not
gonna
benefit
from
from
this
route-
and
I
also
as
a
woman-
I'm
not
benefiting
from
from
cutting
this
route
as
well.
So
you
have
my
voice
to
to
add
to
that.
H
H
G
B
Hi
good
morning,
councillor
the
hello
members
of
the
transit
commission,
I'm
here
today
to
talk
about
the
reduction
of
roots
and
services.
I'm
a
member
of
cowie
and
och
resident,
and
I
have
many
times
used
oc
transport
to
get
around
the
city.
I'm
worried
that
many
residents,
like
me
and
others
who
don't
have
a
car
available,
are
going
to
be
negatively
affected
by
the
services
service
cup.
B
B
Other
cities
are
actually
making
it
easier
for
people
to
access
vaccine,
making
it
making
transit
free
to
those
traveling
to
their
coveted
19.
Vaccination
appointment
city
of
ottawa
needs
more
investments,
not
cuts
to
transit
services
that
are
an
important
part
of
for
many
residents
lives.
We
need
a
strong
and
healthy
transit
system
that
can
support
our
residents,
our
seniors
and
our
youth.
B
P
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
hi
man,
it's
nice
to
hear
from
you.
It's
been
a
long
time.
Thank
you!
So
much
don't
see
you
out
there
in
the
community
as
often
right
now,
but
listen.
I
just
want
to
ask
you
specifically,
so
you
you
take
transit
to
to
get
around
regularly.
Is
that
is
that
correct,
yeah
and
what
what
routes
do
you
do
you
take.
B
P
B
I
always
I
go
to
always
like
mostly
downtown
like
so
do
we
mostly
have
with
cowboy
trainings
workshops,
so
yes,
and
so
either
to
a
moment
or
to
go
a
other
way,
maybe
to
walmart
or
to
foot
basics,
or
I'm
a
mom
of
five
kids
and
I
have
grandkids
and
I'm
always
busy
like
I'd
like
to
be
kind
of
like
active
and
busy
in
the
community.
So
usually
I
usually
go
to
city
hall
and
to
the
women's
centers
downtown,
so
usually
training
them
a
lot
yeah.
So.
P
Yeah,
okay!
No,
I
I
appreciate
that.
I
just
think
it's
important
for
us
to
hear
what
the
you
know,
what
the
adjustments,
what
the
less
frequent
service
will
do.
It
will
add.
You
know
time
on
on
both
sides
of
your
day,
and
you
know
even
more
so
in
inclement
weather,
but
I'm
sorry
to
hear
that
you
were
laid
off
and
then
I
hope
that
things
improve
and
that
you're
able
to
get
employment
again
when
this
is
this
is
over.
It's
really
nice
to
see
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
Q
Q
You
may
get
a
few
minutes
back
from
the
delegation
time
if
I
don't
manage
to
babble
for
five
minutes,
but
first
of
all,
I
take
strong
objection
to
continuing
to
call
this
reductions
and
when
these
are
cuts,
so
we
we.
We
are
using
this
diplomatic
wishy-washy
word,
but
these
are
cuts.
Anybody
that
is
trying
to
rely
on
these
on
these
roots
that
are
being
reduced
or
cut
completely.
Q
You
can
put
as
many
flowery
words
in
there
as
you
like,
but
people
are
going
to
wait
longer,
they're
going
to
walk
further
they're,
not
going
to
be
able
to
rely
on
these
roots,
so
there
are
service
cuts.
So
if
we're
going
to
do
this
to
the
people
who
are
having
to
use
the
transit
service
right
now
at
least
be
brave
and
honest
and
call
them
cuts.
Q
Secondly,
somebody
else
touched
on
this:
I
think
it
was
sam
hirsch.
We
have
to
stop
calling
a
public
transit,
a
business,
we're
like
treating
it
like
a
business.
It
is
a
service
we
wouldn't
go.
Oh
hey
fewer
people
are
downtown
during
the
day
in
the
office
towers,
less
water
is
being
used.
Let's
reduce
the
water,
that's
being
provided
to
buildings.
Let's
reduce
the
internet,
that's
being
provided
to
buildings,
it's
not
a
service,
it
should
be,
let's
reduce
the
electricity.
These
are
all
things
that
we
just
count
on.
Q
Public
transit
should
be
one
of
those
things
we
shouldn't
be
trying
to
justify
saving
a
nickel
in
a
dime
here
and
there
at
the
cost
of
people
who
have
to
use
public
transit,
never
mind
the
hypocrisy
of
declaring
a
climate
emergency
and
then
continuing
to
fund
road
expansions
and
all
of
this
other
garbage
in
the
face
of
cutting
transit
and
raising
the
fares.
This
is
embarrassing
from
the
capital
city,
first
of
all,
like
it's
infuriating,
and
thirdly,
and
some
of
my
other
colleagues
at
the
ottawa
transit
riders
have
touched
on
this
no
consultations.
Q
Yet
again.
This
is
one
thing
that
we
have
been
consistent
about
our
group
and
all
of
the
other
advocacy
groups
that
have
showed
up
today
talk
to
the
writers.
You
can't
just
make
these
decisions
and
then
flip
them
through
and
then
be
surprised
when
you
get.
You
know
20
delegations
showing
up
in
the
middle
of
a
work
day
taking
time
out
of
their
days,
to
tell
you
that
we
haven't
been
talking
to
you
again.
We
have
brought
this
up
for
years.
Q
At
this
point,
you
have
to
talk
to
the
writers
and
and
most
of
the
people
here
that
I'm
seeing
on
the
screen
aren't
riders.
So
you
can't
be
making
these
decisions.
You
have
to
be
talking
to
people
who
are
using
the
buses
and
who
are
going
to
suffer
if
you
keep
charging
more
money
and
cutting
the
service,
and
somebody
said
well,
no,
just
let's
just
if
there's
problems
just
tell
your
counselor
people
don't
know
this
is
coming
because
they
haven't
been
consulted.
Q
So
I
could
go
across.
I
guarantee
I'll
walk
across
to
my
neighbor
and
go
hey.
Did
you
know
transit's
being
cut
again
and
they
will
be
shocked
and
surprised?
Actually,
they
won't
go.
Nothing
surprises
us
with
ottawa
anymore,
but
they
won't
have
seen
it
coming.
They
won't
know
what's
coming,
so
how
do
they
complain
to
our
counselor?
If
they
don't
know
something
is
happening.
Q
A
lot
of
people
are
only
going
to
know
when
they
show
up
to
get
a
bus
that
doesn't
show
up.
So
I
guess,
to
sum
up,
these
cuts
should
not
happen.
Stop
treating
those
who
transport
like
it's
a
business,
it's
not
find
the
money,
the
money
is
there
and
for
god's
sake,
please
talk
to
your
transit
riders.
Q
Q
A
G
If
I
may
vice
chairs,
I'm
back
I'd
just
like
to
make
a
comment.
I
just
got
tail
wind
of
the
delegates
suggesting
that
she
scared
me
away.
I
just
for
the
the
benefit
of
the
commission,
I'm
the
primary
caregiver
of
my
father
and
every
day
at
this
time
I
have
to
make
a
phone
call.
It
only
takes
me
a
couple
of
minutes,
so
I
apologize
and
no
samantha.
You
didn't
scare
me
away
it's
family
obligations.
So
does
anybody
have
any
questions
for
the
delegation?
G
B
B
B
B
B
B
G
C
Thank
you.
My
name
is
miranda
gray,
I'm
a
resident
of
board
one
and
have
frequent
delegation
to
this
committee.
I
do
live
along
one
of
the
routes
that
is
impacted.
The
32
would
be
the
closest
route
to
my
house.
It
is
not
my
primary
route,
but
it
would
be
the
closest
route
to
my
house,
I'm
here
today
to
speak
more
about
the
process
of
how
you
were
doing
this
than
your
actual
cuts.
C
It
is
disingenuous,
I
feel,
to
bring
this
up
so
quickly
when
I
know
that
for
your
drivers
contract,
you
need
to
give
them
more
than
three
months
notice
of
what
routes
are
coming
up.
So
these
changes
were
in
discussion
for
a
long
time
and
certainly
could
have
come
before
the
commission
or
in
front
of
writers
for
comments
before
they
were
unchangeable.
C
C
The
other
frustration
is
that
you
don't
share
information
with
us
proactively
for
us
to
see
how
these
changes
are
going
along
when
it
comes
to
the
july
1st
or
the
august
first
point,
it
will
be
important
to
know
how
the
reliability
of
these
routes
that
have
been
adjusted
has
also
been
impacted
when
you
take
a
route
from
20
minutes
to
30
minutes,
and
it
remains
as
unreliable
as
it
was.
It's
a
double
impact.
What
we
need
to
see
on
routes
that
are
reduced
to
30
minutes
is
higher
reliability.
C
That
means
adjusting
which
routes
you
make
as
a
priority
for
adjustments
and
which
ones
are
a
priority
for
maintaining
the
line,
even
if
you
need
to
cancel
somewhere
else.
So
I
need
to
know
that
you're
making
those
changes
in
the
background-
and
none
of
that
is
addressed
in
this
document
problem
is
this
document
is
not
written
for
writers.
It
is
written
in
a
way
for
transit
authorities
and
maybe
a
council
authorities,
but
it
does
nothing
to
improve
your
communication
with
writers
you're
only
going
to
grow
ridership.
C
If
you
include
us
in
the
discussion-
and
this
has
been
yet
another
discussion
without
us-
you
need
to
be
talking
to
us.
That
means
consultation
groups
out
of
each
of
your
major
hubs,
so
you
can
have
stakeholders
that
speak
for
the
people
that
work
at
a
blair,
the
people
that
transfer
out
of
tony's
pasture
and
follow
field.
C
It's
not
a
citywide
consultation
that
you
need.
It's
hyper
focused
when
you're
making
these
changes,
but
you
have
to
talk
to
us
in
advance.
That
means
we
should
already
be
talking
about
september
and
next
december
changes
throwing
them
up
three
months
in
advance
when
you've
already
got
drivers.
Selecting
routes
is
a
disservice
to
the
communication
with
your
riders
or
your
customers.
If
you
want
to
talk
business
and
it
erodes
the
relationship
between
us,
I
am
a
transit
rider
by
choice.
C
It's
a
deliberate
conscious
decision,
but
I
have
to
admit
when
my
mother
offered
me
her
car
last
month.
I
really
considered
it
and
that's
because
I
no
longer
trust
that
you
are
a
partner
with
me
in
transportation
across
the
city.
You
don't
talk
to
me,
even
though
I
try
very
hard
to
be
engaged.
So
if
you
want
to
maintain
and
build
ridership
so
that
you're
not
constantly
doing
reductions,
you
need
to
improve
the
communication.
C
G
C
Chair,
if
we're
only
going
to
get
it
one
week
in
advance,
that
is
not
sufficient
for
the
community
consultation.
We
need,
if
you're,
going
to
be
doing
it
in
april.
We
need
it
very
shortly
so
that
we
can
have
the
engagement
at
our
local
groups
so
that
we
don't
have
hundreds
of
people
come
here
and
say
the
same
thing.
The
earlier
you
share
documents
with
us,
the
better,
the
consultation,
the
better
the
feedback
one
week
is
not
enough
for
community
groups.
G
C
C
G
That's
why
we
call
the
special
meeting
miranda
for
today.
We
didn't
want
to
wait
till
the
april
1
as
soon
as
the
report
was
ready.
I
wanted
it
out
there,
as
did
the
members
of
the
commission.
I
think
we
all
agree
that
the
special
meeting
was
warranted
to
get
this
out
to
give
the
public
a
chance
to
to
not
only
see
it
a
week.
I
B
G
Please
you
also
have,
and
the
public
has
up
till
june
when
the
changes
kick
in
there.
There's
discussions
taking
place
with
the
individual
counselors
in
the
area,
the
routes
that
are
affected
and
so
on.
So
there's
and
there's
the
oc
transpo
open
lines
of
communication
that
people
can
email
in
if
they
have
any
specific
concerns
with
this,
and
things
will
be
looked
at
and
addressed
where
possible.
Okay,.
C
G
H
C
Well,
there's
two
types
of
consultation
you
need.
I
would
suggest
that
you
need
standing
stakeholder
groups
for
each
of
your
major
districts
so
that
you
have
a
group
of
people
beyond
the
counselors
who
actually
are
regular
writers,
who
have
a
track
record
of
understanding
the
history
to
provide
some
feedback
when
we're
talking
about
groups
like
transit
riders,
acorn,
the
fca,
the
paratranspo
group,
it's
probably
no
less
than
two
weeks
because
people
are
have
busy
schedules
realistically,
if
you
are
doing
a
massive
change
talking
about
long-term
principles,
it's
probably
more
than
a
month.
C
So
if
you're
setting
a
service
performance
standard,
that's
going
to
kick
in
next
december
and
talk
about
how
we
are
restructuring,
because
we
know
that
ridership
levels
are
not
going
to
return
in
less
than
three
years
or
we
think
it
might
take
three
to
five
years.
That
discussion
needs
to
take
months.
If
we
are
talking
about
the
plan
to
return
a
service
in
the
fall
on
the
belief
that
all
the
schools
are
open,
we're
probably
talking
two
to
three
weeks,
it's
depending
on
how
big
a
change
you're
putting
in
front
of
us.
C
G
J
J
Thank
you
to
staff,
for
the
presentation
and
for
our
public
delegations
that
came
out
today.
I
do
hear
the
multiple
requests
to
have
better
engagement
on
these
changes,
and
I
want
to
talk
about
that.
A
bit
oc,
transpo
modifies
roots
on
a
quarterly
basis
all
the
time-
and
I
just
want
to
ask
staff-
and
maybe
mr
scrimmager
can
clarify
that
that
we
do
do
these
changes.
We
probably
don't
do
the
same
scope
of
changes
that
are
being
proposed
for
june.
If
mr
scrimmager
could
just
comment
on
that.
E
That's
correct
four
times
a
year
we
have
the
opportunity
to
make
schedule
changes.
They
are
sometimes
service
improvements
that
come
from
council
investing
more
money
in
transit.
They
are
sometimes
seasonal
changes
such
as,
when
we
add
service
to
the
parks
and
remove
service
to
the
schools
during
the
summer.
We
also
respond
at
each
of
those
quarterly
changes
to
major
increases
in
ridership
that
we're
seeing
on
some
routes
or
in
some
cases,
reductions
in
ridership.
E
It's
also
our
opportunity
to
change
schedules
to
improve
reliability,
and
we
continue
this
we've.
We've
got
changes
coming
up
in
april
which,
as
you
know,
include
reliability,
improvements
and
getting
ready
for
the
montreal
road
construction,
and
these
are
changes
that
will
come
in
june.
Along
with
these
changes
in
june,
also
come
the
seasonal
changes
with
the
school
holidays.
J
I
appreciate
that,
probably
in
the
future,
if
we
know
the
number
of
changes
proposed
exceed
a
certain
threshold,
it
may
want
to
trigger
an
additional
opportunity
for
consultations.
If
it's
sort
of
the
regular
changes
you
do
on
a
quarterly
basis,
which
you
have
the
delegated
authority
to
do
anyway,
then
I
think
that's
different,
but
I
think
there
was
a
point
number
of
points
made
today
that
I
think
we
have
to
think
further
on
just
on
the
financial
side.
What
was
our
2020
deficit
and
what
is
the
2021
proposed
deficit
for
transit.
M
I
think
we're
at
around
13
million,
which
is
very
very
you,
know,
scope
and
scale
of
all
the
magnitude
we
had
650
million
dollar
budget,
a
big
chunk
of
that
was
insurance
claims
and
so
forth.
So
and
then
that
three
million
that
I
referenced
in
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic.
So
we
came
in
very
close
to
budget
and
then
wendy
is
also
working
feverishly
on
all
of
the
inputs
as
to
what
2022
will
look
like
and
she
will
have
a
wholesome
update
for
you
at
fitco.
J
We
we
used
provincial
and
federal
money
to
survive
2020
and,
without
that
same
investments
in
2021,
we
we,
as
a
transit
commission,
engaging
our
public
have
to
make
decisions.
That's
the
whole
point
of
the
criteria
report
coming
us
to
in
april
is
that
we
don't
have
a
financial
bailout
or
assistance
yet
from
the
feds
or
a
provincial
government,
and
there's
no
murmur,
no
indication
nothing
from
higher
levels.
Up
that
this
is
coming.
M
No
sorry
counselor,
that's
the
message
I'm
leaving.
You
is
right
now,
you're
in
very
good
shape
for
2021
and
you're,
not
just
relying
on
bailouts.
My
first
slide
that
I
referred
to
is
this
expenditure
controls
the
other
things
that
we've
done,
helped
you
in
2020
and
in
2021
the
picture
looks
very
good.
M
We
are
bringing
you
the
criteria
in
april,
I'm
not
recommending
any
cuts
in
april
to
you.
You
will
have
a
very
difficult
decision
to
make
a
bonus
to
yourselves.
You
know
somebody
asked
how
much
consultation
if
you
do
consultation
on
deep
cuts,
such
as
what
was
talked
about
in
the
past
you're
well
into
2022.
M
Before
implementing
and
getting
consultations,
I
mean
look
at
today's
challenge:
we're
talking
about
getting
rid
of
empty
buses
and
already
there's
backlash
on
it,
which
I
understand,
I'm
not
being
critical,
but
if
you're
going
to
get
into
you
know
somebody
mentioned
root,
optimization
that
took
months
you're
into
2022
before
you
implement
any
of
those
cuts
again,
I'm
not
bringing
you
recommendations
to
cut
in
april,
I'm
bringing
you
what
I
promised
you,
which
was
the
criteria.
Thank.
J
E
The
ridership
on
the
section
west
of
westgate
is
very
low
right
now,
averaging
five
people
per
bus
and
all
of
the
destinations
all
of
the
stops
of
that
route
serves
west
to
westgate,
are
also
served
by
other
routes
and
we'll
be
happy
to
work
with
individual
customers
to
find
their
best
route
under
the
new
route
structure.
The
other
change
in
route
55
is
that
we'd
be
adding
sunday
service
west
of
the
general
hospital
to
on
main
street
to
leeds
station
across
downtown
and
to
the
to
the
royal
and
civic
sites
on
route
88.
E
There's
some
small
reductions
in
frequency
happening
at
rush
hours.
I'm
going
to
get
the
details
right
here
on
route
88,
it's
eastbound
trips
in
the
morning
that
will
that
now
run
every
10
minutes
would
run
every
12
minutes
and
eastbound
trips
in
the
afternoon.
That
now
run
every
seven
to
eight
minutes
would
run
every
10
minutes
also
on
saturdays.
E
J
Chair,
I'm
just
going
to
close
with
with
this
statement
covet
has
forced
a
number
of
our
public
services
to
be
reduced.
Ottawa
public
health
in
their
own
words
have
said
they've
had
to
pivot.
Obviously
their
focus
is
is
with
covet,
but
they've
had
to
cut
back
some
of
their
services
because
they
don't
have
the
the
resources
or
people
power
to
provide
that
in
parks
and
recreation.
We
currently
have
30
community
centers
closed
across
the
city.
We
don't
have
the
staff
we've
pivoted,
but
also
the
demand
is
lower
and
libraries.
J
So
I
know
there's
disagreement
on
how
we
get
there,
but
we
have
to
confront
that
this
year
and
we
have
to
confront
it
with
our
riders
as
well,
so
I'll
just
end
it
there,
and
I
just
thank
staff
for
the
work
that
they've
done
up
until
now,
and
I
do
agree
that
if,
if
the
criteria
report
can
come
out
sooner,
as
has
been
requested,
I
think
that
will
help
as
well
to
get
more
people
engaged
sooner.
So
thanks
very
much.
G
B
E
B
E
It
it
varies
by
by
root.
Of
course,
I
don't
have
an
overall
number.
It's
you
know,
as
you
can
imagine
right,
as
you
know,
and
as
we've
been
talking
about,
ridership
is
quite
a
bit
lower
across
the
system
than
it
would
be
normally
and
we'll
we'll
see
if
we
can
get
you
a
number
back
to
characterize
that
that
level.
B
E
Would
be
on
route
224?
There
is
a
bus
stop
at
the
corner
of
shefford
and
canatec.
That
would
require
a
one
one
block
extra
walk
to
get
over
to
to
the
next
nearest
bus.
Stop,
I
believe,
there's
also
one
bus
stop
possibly
more
than
one
on
route
266,
where
we
we
serve
a
street
only
with
that
that
route,
where
people
would
walk
to
the
next
nearest,
stop
on
route,
63
and
64..
E
It's
primarily
current
ridership
data.
We
have
obviously
we
have
historical
redshift
data
at
every
stop
and
on
every
trip
on
every
route,
but
we
were
looking
at
the
the
data
that
we've
been
collecting
most
recently,
especially
the
data
collected
during
the
fall
and
so
far
during
the
the
early
part
of
2021,
making
sure
that
that
none
of
these
changes
are
on
routes
that
are
where
ridership
is,
is
very
high
and
that
we're
concentrating
primarily
on
the
roots
not
only
where
ridership
is
low,
but
where
ridership
is
very
low.
M
M
B
E
B
P
P
I
want
to
just
go
back
to
revised
route
55.,
so
am
I
clear,
then,
if
you
live
or
you're
coming
from
or
you
live
west
of
westgate,
you
can
no
longer
take
the
direct
route
to
get
to
say
the
ottawa
hospital,
or
even
a
civic
hospital,
really
route.
55
then
is
being
truncated
on
that
on
the
west
side
is
that
is
that
correct.
E
P
Okay,
well,
I
have.
I
have
concerns
about
route
55.
I
just
I
don't
know
the.
I
don't
know
the
system
as
well
on
the
west
west
of
westgate,
but
I
will.
I
will
look
at
that
more
closely.
Then.
Thank
you.
You,
one
of
the
the
slides
that
you
showed
us
today
said
that
ridership
in
2021,
so
far
has
gone
up
from
18
to
27.
Is
that
that's
correct.
E
P
P
The
last
commissioner
asked
about
you
know
perspective,
but
you
know
perspective
is,
is
is
great
if
you're
in
your
car
and
passing
a
bus,
but
it's
certainly
if
you're
you
know
trying
to
get
to
shop
or
to
daycare
to
pick
up
your
kids
or
to
work.
You
know
those
those
roots
are
the
ones
that
serve
people
who
have
no
other
other
choice
but
to
take
transit
because,
let's
be
honest,
they
probably
wouldn't
take
route
six
and
seven
if
they
could.
P
So
I
just
I
need
to
know
like
what
is
the
analysis
that
you're
using
for
ridership.
Like
do
you
know?
Okay,
you
know,
if
you,
if
we
say
well,
there's
only
four
or
five
people
on
on
on
a
trip.
Do
we
know
who
they
are?
Do
we
know
where
they're
going?
Do
we
know
how
essential
that
trip
is
to
them,
as
opposed
to
maybe
a
connection,
bus
where
there
is
an
alternative?
And-
and
perhaps
you
know
it's
not
as
as
onerous
in
terms
of
the
the
delay
for
for
their
bus
to
show
up.
E
6
is
running
at
37
of
normal
and
route
7
at
40
of
normal,
so
the
the
frequency
adjustments
on
those
routes
are
are
just
looking
them
up
here.
They're
fairly
contained
routes,
six
and
seven
both
and
the
afternoon
rush
hour
going
south
would
run
every
seven
to
eight
minutes
rather
than
every
six
minutes
and
northbound
in
the
afternoon,
every
15
minutes
rather
than
every
12
and
then
on
sunday
afternoons
they
would
run
every
15
minutes
rather
than
every
12..
E
So
that's
the
specifics
on
six
and
seven
when
we
talk
about
who's
still
on
the
buses,
we
know
you
know,
we
know
what
stops
they're
getting
on
at.
We
know
what
stops
they're
getting
off
at.
We
don't
know
who
they
are
and
on
the
question
of,
do
we
know
how
important
the
service
is
to
them.
I
can
say
we
know
some
of
that.
Implicitly.
E
They
are
more
likely
to
be
people
who
do
have
to
obviously
do
still
have
to
travel
and
and
therefore
they're,
because
the
the
the
office
workers
aren't
there
who
have
been
the
the
great
majority
of
of
transit
customers
to
and
from
downtown
they're.
Therefore,
less
likely
to
be
traveling
to
or
from
downtown
points,
they're
more
likely
to
be
traveling.
P
P
Sure
you
can,
you
can
send
that
to
me
after
I,
it's
good
to
know,
or
you
can
say
it
out
loud
after
that's
good
to
know
what
do
we
do
when
the
numbers
increase
on
on
the
roots
I
mean
I
brought
up
the
case
of.
I
know
it's
a
personal
case,
but
it's
one
that
I
know
of
with
my
kid
and
some
of
her
friends
from
fisher
park
middle
school,
who
you
know
come
back
into
this
part
of
the
the
downtown
after
school
going
to
school
is
always
fine.
P
P
Kids
know
they
can't
take
it.
They
actually
they've
just
started
walking
because
they
know
in
the
afternoons
it's
too
crowded,
they
don't
feel
they
don't
feel
safe
from
the
spread
of
covid.
So
what
do
we
do
when
we
see
these
numbers
because
they
will,
the
same
number
of
people
will
hopefully
still
take
the
bus?
P
What
do
we
do
when
we
see
those
increases
in
in
the
numbers
on
the
buses
and,
more
than
say,
like
on
a
regular
bus?
Actually
they've
done
the
math
for
me,
they're
smart,
these
kids,
I
said
you
can't
have
more
than
21
people.
You
can't
physically
distance
with
more
than
21
people
on
the
normal
bus,
so
they!
So.
What
do
we
do
when
there's
35
and
42
on
the
buses,
where
there's
21
today
or
less.
M
M
M
You
did
the
most
brilliant
thing.
You
didn't
cut
transit
service,
one
bit,
you
didn't
flinch.
You
took
the
long
view,
while
others
are
rebuilding
capacity
and
bringing
back
operators
that
they
laid
off
and
retraining
them
and
recommissioning
buses
at
assad,
idle
and
hurting
people
all
along.
Because
to
your
point,
commissioner,
mckinney
we
care
about
every
one
of
them,
whether
they're
going
to
a
low-income
job,
whether
they're
going
to
a
federal
government
job,
whether
they're
the
essential
workers
that
have
been
getting
us
through
this
pandemic.
M
Let's
not
leave
anybody
behind
they're
all
essential
for
all
of
us
for
a
bunch
of
different
reasons,
and
I
can
connect
with
every
single
comment
today.
The
plan,
that's
before
you
will
respond
to
those
things
counselor.
So,
if
ridership
increases,
we
will
redeploy
spare
buses,
we
will
we
have
the
resources
we
can
do
that,
but
we're
also
looking
at
the
bottom
line.
We
heard
loud
and
clear.
Many
of
the
suburban
counselors
were
talking
about
empty
buses
going
through
their
their
communities.
Those
are
the
ones
that
we've
reduced
significantly
and
we've.
M
Given
you
a
dynamic
plan
that
enables
you
to
throttle
up
and
throttle
down,
manage
the
bottom
line
and,
as
you
say,
counselor
mckinney,
you
know
this
is
not
about
cutting
those
that
are
using
the
service,
and
so
we've
brought
the
balance
to.
There
is
a
bit
more
inconvenience
to
some.
There
are
parallel
routes
and
the
credit
goes
to
pat
and
his
team
that
have
really
come
back,
because
the
goal
I
gave
them
is:
how
do
we
bring
a
plan
that
is
dynamic?
P
I
appreciate
that
and-
and
you
know
what
I
don't
have
to
say,
I
do
appreciate
you
saying
that
you
that
you,
you
know,
look
out
for
all
all
all
writers,
because
sometimes
you
know
I'll
I'll
focus
on
people
who
are
you
know
more
marginalized
or
you
know
take,
but
but
but
it
needs
to
be
safe
for
everyone
absolutely
and
we
want
everyone
to
be
able
to
take
transit.
Absolutely
so
so
I
do
really
appreciate
that
that
reminder.
P
P
There
are
too
many
people
on
it,
so
we
made
so
maybe
it's
the
number
six
in
the
pm.
That's
34!
Maybe
it's
the
number
six
southbound
in
the
pm,
that's
already
at
34..
Maybe
it
will
if
it
goes
above
50
that
are
that's
too
many
people
on
a
bus
during
covet.
So
I
want
to
see
that
I
you
know,
I
guess
I'm
asking
like
is
that
is
that
what
we're
going
to
see
are
we
going
to
be
able
to?
P
M
Yes,
unknown
to
your
capacity
issue
again,
other
jurisdictions.
Remember
we're
the
first
canadian
municipality
to
do
mandatory
mask.
First,
canadian
must
probably
do
rear
door,
boarding
and
so
forth,
and
I
can
tell
you:
everybody
opposed
our
mandatory
mass
policy.
Do
you
know
why
we
did
that?
Because
oph
and
ourselves
took
the
long
view
there
will
come
a
day
when
you
can't
socially
distance
in
a
bus
or
an
lrv
vehicle.
That
day
is
coming,
and
the
mandatory
mask
is
here
for
a
while.
You
know
we'll.
M
M
M
They've
had
lockdown
relief
come
off,
that's
why
their
ridership
jumps
up,
but
guess
what
they're
doing
the
exact
same
things
we're
doing?
They
were
very
proactive
on
some
of
these
measures
so
counselor.
I
I
really
enjoy
these
questions,
because
this
is
the
space
we
need
to
be
in,
and
what
we
wanted
to
do
is
give
you
every
off
ramp.
You
could
have
so
we
don't
box
anybody
in
because
I
will
say
it:
it's
all
riders,
including
that
suburban
summer
student,
that
needs
to
get
to
a
job
downtown.
M
That's
stocking
shelves
that
is
a
grocery
store
for
income.
All
of
them
are
important
and
yes,
it'll
be
very
dynamic
and
changing
and
fluid,
but
we
are
bringing
the
best
of
the
best
to
to
this
plan
for
you,
because
we
all
want
the
same
thing:
a
good
mobile
city,
environmental
sustainability,
which
transit
gives
you,
we've
got
to
manage
the
bottom
line
and
and
bring
that
balance
to
it,
and
we
are
responding
in
every
way
we
can
to
all
those
parameters,
including
the
outcries
of
empty
buses,
which
are
generally
people
that
don't
need
to
go
anywhere.
M
P
Same
with
the
six
and
seven
chair,
I
know
I'm
outta.
I
know
I'm
out
of
time.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
john,
for
that
I
really
do
appreciate
the
back
and
forth.
I
will
just
say
this:
if
there's
any
way
of
getting
that
criteria
report
out
a
bit
early,
I
do
think
that
when
we're
talking
about
public
transit,
the
more
we
can
do
to
engage
the.
B
K
Great,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair
yeah.
It's
I
think
you
know
how
passionate
I
am
about
this
bus,
john.
Even
before
getting
elected,
I
fought
to
make
sure
it
stayed.
We've
had
these
battles
time
and
again,
so
it's
very
difficult
to
square
this
one
right
now
how
many
people
are
actually
on
average,
taking
route
224
right
now.
I
guess
that
would
be
for
pat.
E
E
K
It's
literally
my
back
window,
I
see
the
224,
it
was
my
go-to
bus
forever,
so
I
I
do.
I
do
share
a
lot
of
the
concerns
I
heard
from
our
delegation
that
came
out
today,
but
on
on
that
I
want
to
get
to
how
we
see
those
numbers
jump
back
up
because
remember
when
we
had
train
issues
a
couple
years
ago
and
that
224
was
getting
affected.
They
were
over
packed
like
this
is.
K
This
is
a
very
typically
very
full
bus
on
a
regular
basis,
but
what
it
is
is
there's
a
lot
of.
There
is
exceptions,
but
a
majority,
I
would
say,
90
of
the
224
former
riders
pre-coded
were
government
workers,
and
these
are
government
workers
that
found
it
easy
to
be
able
to
get
on
the
bus
and
just
get
great.
K
K
Have
we
been
working
with
the
federal
government
to
see
when
abouts
they
determined
they
may
come
back?
I
know
that
it's
a
it's
a
mug's
game
to
try
to
predict,
but
I'm
assuming
we're
talking
with
them
on
a
regular
basis,
because
I
do
hear
a
lot
of
people
saying
yeah
I'll
be
hopping
on
the
224
when
I
don't
have
to
do
zoom
out
of
my
home
anymore,
so
I
can
go
to
work.
I
just
don't
want
to
see
us
lose
that
opportunity.
M
The
chair,
the
city
manager,
is
meeting
with
the
most
senior
officials
at
the
federal
government
to
we
need
that
answer.
We
we,
because
we
do
not
want
to
want
to
be
caught
flat-footed
if
they
return
to
work.
We
need
to
plan
proactively
and
again
we
haven't
shut
down
our
service,
so
we
can.
We
can
move
very
quickly
same
with
the
universities
we're
setting
up
meetings
with
their
executive
team.
We
need
to
get
that.
You
know.
M
I
know
some
universities
are
already
signaled
september,
you're
back
in
not
full
time
but
partial
openings
and
things
like
that.
So,
but
we
will
be
able
to
respond
and
and,
as
I've
said,
to
counselor
mckinney,
we
will,
if
we
see
ridership
on
routes
increasing
and
we
will,
there
will
be
some
of
these
routes
that
will
increase.
We
will
throttle
up
the
service
and
we
don't
have
to
that's
the
beauty
of
the
delegated
authority.
I
know
there's
pluses
and
minus
to
it.
M
K
Great
john,
and
on
that,
so
what
you're
saying
is,
let's
say
we
see
an
uptick.
I
see
a
lot
of
people
saying:
hey
tim
we're
going
back
to
work
downtown
again
in
our
government
offices
and
in
september
we
don't
have
to
wait
for
a
seasonal
change.
You
have
the
ability
to
be
able
to
say
no
problem.
Let's
get
that
224
back
in
play.
M
We,
this
is
the
dynamic
plan
and
we
want
to
adjust.
The
chair
was
very
clear
with
me
in
terms
of
his
expectations
about,
let's
make
sure
we
continue
to
take
everybody.
We
will
adjust
on
the
fly
and
remember
it's
on
the
operators
and
the
vehicles.
We
have
all
those.
We
are
still
training
staff
because
we
go
by
budgeted
hours.
We
don't
go
by
ftes,
so
it's
not
a
resource
issue,
it's
it's
full
throttle
and,
and
our
our
focus
is
on
ridership
will
return.
Will
it
be
100
who
knows
by
when
vaccination
vaccination
support?
M
K
Yeah
and
it's
so
unfortunate
with
this
whole
clovid
crisis,
because
this
this
route
would
have
evaporated
in
in
2024,
and
forgive
me
you'll
have
to
tell
me
what
month
we'll
have
much
railroad
station
online.
I
don't
know
if
pat
wants
to
answer
when
that
is.
But
on
that
note,
when
are
we
going
to
start
looking
because
now
it's
spurring
more
conversations
about
well,
if
224
is
going
to
be
going
for
a
short
pause.
K
M
E
K
K
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
on
to
a
quick
pivot
over
to
to,
there
was
a
delegation
that
spoke
about
route
12
and
the
splits
and
how
it
could
affect
lester,
b
pearson
and
gloucester
high
school.
That
is
very
critical.
I'm
not
sure
if
you
remember
some
of
the
discussion
around
that.
Can
you
remind
us
why
root
12
is
changing
and
when
it
will
go
back
to
the
way
it
should
be.
E
E
So
we've
worked
with
the
transportation
authority
for
the
school
boards
to
make
sure
that
there
are
still
the
best
connections
possible
to
all
those
schools.
There's
a
couple
of
new
school
routes.
Just
you
know,
just
a
different
label
coming
on
the
buses
starting
in
april
and
route
12
is
being
changed
so
that
it'll
take
people
directly
into
san
lorenz
station.
E
So
they
can
hop
on
a
train
to
downtown,
while
at
the
same
time
we
expand
route
15
so
that
it
runs
seven
days
a
week
and
continues
to
go
downtown,
though
it
will
be
slower
because
it
has
to
go
either
through
or
around
the
construction
sites.
And
then,
once
that
that
construction
is
over,
we
can
put
those
routes
back
to
the
way
they
should
be.
E
K
K
Thank
you,
yeah.
I've
got
both
you
guys
doing.
This
is
great.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
that's
the
messaging
people
really
have
to
know
that
this
is
because
of
the
construction
aspect.
It's
not
that
we
want
to
go
making
everyone's
lives
miserable
and
also
inform
them
when
it's
going
to
be
complete.
Just
very
much
like
you
know,
I'll
be
presenting
to
my
community
come
september.
K
G
A
I
certainly
also
want
to
thank
staff
at
oc,
transpo
and
john
and
pat
and
and
your
colleagues
and
frontline
workers
in
providing
the
service
that
is
so
important
to
our
to
our
residents
and
and
the
planning,
and
that
you
need
to
do
with
respect
to
montreal
road
or
or
other
detours,
and
in
navigating
the
the
effects
of
of
kobit.
I
I
appreciate
the
work
you
do
very
much.
First,
I
want
to
just
confirm
the
service
changes
recommended
in
today's
report
will
have
no
impact
on
paratranspo
customers.
Is
that
correct.
A
E
A
E
E
At
the
moment,
though,
we're
we're
protected,
you
know,
we've
we've
got
a
lot
of
capacity.
We've
got
enough
capacity
remaining
on
these
routes
for
ridership
to
more
than
double
without
overcrowding
occurring,
so
we've
got
we
will
have,
though
it
could
be
quick
in
some
parts
of
the
world
they're
seeing
ridership
growing
very
quickly.
Once
you
know,
once
restrictions
come
off,
it'll
still
be
work
for
us
to
do,
but
we'll
watch
and
we'll
see
and
we'll
have
enough
time
to
make
the
right
decision.
A
M
M
M
What
we're
seeing
now
is
forget
about
the
old
rules.
It's
going
to
be
what
does
return
to
work
return
to
normal?
I
can't
stand
that
term,
but
whatever
that
is,
is,
and
even
with
the
federal
government,
are
they
going
to
hybrid
model?
Are
they
going
to
partial
days,
universities
same
thing?
I
don't
think
that
will
drive
your
decisions.
M
I
think
your
decisions
will
be
driven
by
what
the
public
perceives
the
safety
factor
is
post-vaccination
to
get
onto
a
crowded
vehicle,
with
a
mask
on
and
so
again
you're
talking
to
the
gm
that
has
continually
said,
don't
cut
service.
I
knew
this
was
coming.
It's
I
think
it's
not
going
to
be
driven
by
numbers.
That's
just
my
prediction:
it's
going
to
be
driven
by
your
customers,
saying
for
me
to
get
onto
a
full
train
or
a
full
bus.
M
I
want
mass.
I
want
cleaning
standards,
I
want
frequent
service
and
so
again
we
take
the
position
of
don't
cut
service
in
april,
I'm
bringing
you
the
criteria,
I'm
not
coming
with
hey.
We
should
cut
more
service
because
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
respond
quickly
enough,
if,
even
if
there
is
a
partial
return,
because
the
customer
is
going
to
want
as
counselor
mckinney
as
counselor
attorney
has
said
how
many
people
are
on
the
bus,
it's
going
to
become
irrelevant
at
some
point,
because
you're
not
going
to
meet
their
expectations.
M
That's
why
there's
a
bunch
of
apps
out
there
right
now
that
can
tell
you
how
many
people
are
sitting
on
a
bus
we
haven't
invested
in
that
because
in
in
due
course,
that'll
be
irrelevant.
You
won't
be
able
to
have
enough
vehicles
to
do
the
social
distancing.
That's
why
we
didn't
go
with
the
dots
on
the
platforms
and
in
the
vehicles.
So
your
question
is
bang
on
and
our
position
will
be.
Our
recommendation
is
don't
scale
back,
don't
don't
do
service
cuts
in
2021,
2020
22.
M
A
And
so
I
want
to
make
sure
and
and
just
to
get
your
assurance
that
that
is
always
top
of
mind.
Those
persons
that
are
not
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
but
that
are
on
the
on
the
edge
of
the
day
early
morning
or
late
at
night.
They'll
need
some
flexibility
and,
as
you
get
feedback
from
from
oc,
transpo
users
with
respect
to
to
those
more
odd
hours,
but
that
are
very
important
for
those
those
workers
that
use
it
essential
workers
or,
by
necessity
or
or
whatever
other
circumstance,
that
that
user
finds
themselves
in.
M
A
D
D
I
have
some
concerns
with
with
some
of
the
some
of
this
plan.
To
be
honest
with
you
not
about
specific
routes,
I
leave
that
to
the
to
the
individual
counselors
to
advocate
for
the
roots
in
their
in
their
awards,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
safety
of
our
customers,
especially
women
and
vulnerable
populations,
I'm
concerned
that
the
reduction
in
frequency
of
routes
in
the
evenings
and
the
longer
walks
to
to
stops
bus
stops
is
going
to
lead
to
a
reduction
in
ridership
and
and
for
those
who
don't
have
any
other
options.
D
It's
going
to
lead
them
to
being
potentially
unsafe.
I'd
like
to
know
so
what
were
the
considerations
with
respect
to
a
gender
and
equity
lens,
not
to
gazump
my
colleague,
councillor
cavanaugh?
But
what
were
the
considerations
that
were
given
to
to
gender
equality
when
it
comes
to
reducing
these
these
roots
at
night
and
longer
walking
distances.
B
E
There
is
nothing
more
important
that
we
do
than
to
keep
our
customers
safe
when
it
comes
specifically
to
evenings.
There
are
two
routes
which
would
have
reductions
in
the
evening.
So
that's
two
out
of
140
bus
routes.
Those
two
routes
are
route
39,
which
would
run
every
half
hour
after
10
pm
and
route
54,
which
would
go
to
once
an
hour
after
7
pm
route.
54
is
a
small
local
route
at
tony's
pasture
that
connects
the
residential
area
north
of
scott
and
east
of
parkdale
to
chinese
pasture
station
route.
39
is
the
connector.
E
D
E
D
With
those
two
routes,
having
worked
at
tony's
pasture
for
years
and
actually
being
a
writer
of
or
prior
to
the
pandemic
of
route,
39,
so
route
39
you're
right,
it
takes
you
directly
from
from
blair
station,
which
is
obviously
the
beginning
of
the
lrt
or
the
end
depending
on
which
end
you're
coming
from,
and
it
takes
you
you're
right,
it's
a
connector
route
to
the
major,
the
major
transit
stations
where
there
are
park
and
rides,
and
so
and
then
route
54.
You
are
right,
it
is
a
local
bus.
D
The
right
interval.
You
know
they're
going
to
have
to
wait
around
in
a
transit
station
for
potentially
a
half
an
hour
or
have
to
walk
home,
and
some
people
may
choose
to
do
that.
My
concern
is,
is
that
we
are
asking
you
know
essential
workers,
a
lot
of
them.
You
know
psw's
nurses,
they're
women
and
we're
asking
women
to
stand
around
for
half
an
hour
potentially
late
at
night.
That's
not
safe,
and
so
I
would.
I
would
beg
you
to
please
reconsider
the
the
nighttime
changes
to
these
two
routes.
D
D
What
are
the
chances
that
we
can
extend
our
transfer
period?
So
if
people
are
having
to
wait
longer,
it's
possible
that
their
transfer
will
expire?
I
know
I've
asked
this
question
in
the
past
and
the
answer
has
usually
been
that
it's
a
big
rigmarole
to
do
so,
but
I
think
it
might
be
worth
it
in
this
case.
So
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
extend
the
transfer
period.
E
So
we've
done
an
analysis
of
what
travel
times
would
be.
As
you
know,
the
travel,
the
transfer
period
already
gets
longer
as
you
go
into
the
evening
and
as
we
go
into
weekends
under
existing
council
policy,
the
current
transfer
windows
of
90
minutes
during
the
day
going
to
105
and
then
120
are
still
going
to
accommodate.
D
E
D
D
D
E
We're
making
sure
that
there
is
still
good,
reliable,
frequent
transit
service
available
to
all
the
vaccination
sites
that
are
on
on
the
primary
transit
network.
There's
you
know,
there's
other
vaccination
sites
that
have
been
selected
which
we're
supporting
in
other
ways,
but
the
primary
ones
that
are
on
like
nepean
sports
plex
right
on
the
transitway
always
will
have
good
service.
E
There
are
frequency
reductions
on
some
routes
which
are
on
major
corridors.
There
will
remain
good
service
to
all
vaccination
sites
that
are
on
the
transit
network
or
on
the
primary
transit
network,
and
in
addition
we
are,
we
have
been,
and
we
may
still
be
increasing
service,
we're
required
at
particular
locations
using
some
provincial
funding.
That's
coming
through
the
vaccination
program.
D
H
Thank
you
very
much
chair,
thank
you
to
my
colleague
for
asking
about
the
about
gender
equity
and,
and
that
lens
I
appreciate
it.
My
questions
are
are
in
relation
to
a
couple
of
the
roots
route
11..
I
appreciate
the
extension
that
is
being
made
in
the
on
the
east
side
of
it.
That's
that's
very
helpful.
One
of
the-
and
you
know
number
11
is-
is
rude.
H
I've
talked
about
a
lot
and
I'm
still
hearing
from
residents
about
going
to
bay
shore
that
right
now
it's
every
other
trip
and
they're
still
asking
about
every
trip.
Now
the
the
ridership
of
number
11
are
seniors
in
condos
and
apartments
along
richmond,
road
et
cetera,
so
so
they're
not
commuters.
These
are
people
getting
to
appointments
and
doing
shopping
and
don't
drive.
That's
that
is,
that
is
the
demographics.
I'm
sure
pat
knows
that.
So
has
that
been
considered
for
the
bayshore
side
of
it.
E
E
So
overall
it's
carrying
just
a
little
less
than
half
of
the
number
of
customers.
It
normally
does
and
that's
the
same
on
saturdays
when
it's
also
45
sundays.
It's
carrying
about
62,
so
there's
been
according
to
my
notes
here:
there's
no
reductions
at
all,
just
the
service
enhancement
on
on
route
11.
H
H
I
was
concerned
about
route
51,
the
britannia
cut
that
dipsy
doodle.
It
makes
down
to
the
village
and
back
being
every
30
minutes,
and
the
concern
is:
is
that
you
probably
you
can
tell
me
right
now
what
the
ridership
is.
I
imagine
it's
low,
but
the
the
concern
I
have
is
is
a
robot
reliability
and
I
think
that's
already
been
mentioned
that
if
people
know
it's
going
to
be
at
that
particular
time,
that's
all
the
difference.
It's
and
we've
heard
this
from
some
of
the
presentations.
E
H
Okay,
so-
and
the
other
concern
is
that
when
I
look
at
low
income
areas,
2651
regina
is
on
that
route
and
which
is
an
och
building,
and
I
I
know
you're
going
to
say
they'll
just
have
to
walk
up
to
richmond
road,
but
it
is
something
that
people
rely
on
the
16..
So
I'm
just
mentioning
that
that
we
keep
that
lens
on
too
in
terms
of
of
the
customer
base.
So
so
I
appreciate
it
well,
I
think
we're
going
to
hear
soon
about
another
lockdown.
H
H
And
it
asks
for
the
bigger
question
of
of
how
we
look
at
this
for
the
future
about
the
reliance
on
fair
revenue,
because,
obviously
that
that
tends
to
drive
everything.
And
that's
that's
my
concern
because
we're
going
to
have
ups
and
downs,
we're
going
to
have
another
down
we're
going
to
have
another
up,
but
we
have
to
provide
service.
We've
heard
from
people
about
the
need,
for
you
know,
service
for
and
have
that
main
link,
and
I
appreciate
that
for
most
of
the
pandemic.
H
M
Chair
great
question:
if
that
was
the
case,
I
would
have
cut
service
when
I
faced
all
the
pressure
early
on
and
again
you're
one
of
the
few
large
you.
You
are
the
only
large
transit
authority
in
north
america
that
has
not
cut
service
and
and
they
are
feeling
the
pain
for
what
they've
cut
they're
rebuilding
stuff.
If
I
was
basing
all
this
on
the
bottom
line,
I
would
have
brought
you
cuts
a
long
time
ago.
We
are
doing
this
across
all
lenses.
M
Equity
inclusion,
bottom
line,
empty
buses,
concern
for
the
environment,
the
balance
of
economic
recovery,
the
lockdowns
all
those
things
so
counselor
kavanaugh.
I
think
you
know
I
work.
It's
that
whole
all
all
the
inputs
into
that
process
and
and
to,
as
I
said,
a
budget
to
give
you
every
exit
lane
as
a
council
that
you
could
have
at
your
disposal
to
do
the
right
thing
for
your
communities.
H
Thank
you.
Oh,
I
was
supposed
to
mention
about
153,
which
hasn't
changed,
but
we
have
a
very
high
dependency
on
it
again
senior
routes.
So
these
these
are
routes
that
are
in
a
category
of
their
own
of
not
not
commuters,
they're
people
who
are
not
using
cars
and
getting
around
by
bus
so
just
wanted
to
tell
you
how
important
they
are,
how
we
hear
about
it
all
the
time
in
terms
of
reliability.
Have
we
got
any
further
information?
H
H
M
M
M
B
M
Wendy
will
be
bringing
a
wholesome
update
at
fedco
and
we
look
to
be
in
very
good
shape
for
2021
when
you
combine
our
expenditure
control
plan,
which
we're
still
doing
the
5.5
million
that
you
see
here
in
front
of
you
and
all
the
federal
and
provincial
funding
announcements,
so
she's
bringing
that
plan
to
you
and
in
a
nutshell
I
was
talking
to
her
yesterday
into
the
city
manager.
We
look
very,
very
good
for
2021.
M
M
M
Wendy
is
doing
the
analysis
on
all
that
and
we're
bringing
a
wholesome
update
to
you
and
at
fedco
meeting.
All
I
can
share
with
you
right
now
is
that
when
we
put
all
the
pieces
together,
which
I
have
not
seen,
all
of
them
she's
still
working
on
them,
the
forecast
for
transit
in
2021
looks
to
be
that
we
will
be
in
good
shape,
even
with
the
reduced
ridership
that
we
are
experiencing.
B
G
Counselor
and
a
as
staff
have
said
repeatedly
on
this,
the
update
on
the
finances
will
be
made
at
fedco
because
it's
not
just
transit,
there's
money
involved
in
other
parts
of
the
city
as
well.
So
staff
can't
really
answer
these
questions
for
you
now,
no
matter
how
you
phrase
them,
if
you
take
them
to
fedco,
you
will
get
your
answers.
H
O
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
have
one
quick
question
for
mr
scrimger,
based
regarding
the
suspension
of
route
235
based
on
a
resumption
we
received.
The
report
indicated
that
users
would
still
be
serviced
by
route
35,
but
the
the
resident
that
wrote
in
said
that
route
35
blair
doesn't
operate
during
the
am
rush
hour
and
route.
35
esprit
doesn't
operate
during
the
pm
peak,
identifying
a
service
gap
there.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
the
schedule
of
route
35
might
be
adjusted.
E
G
G
G
Thank
you.
So
our
next
meeting,
which
will
be
a
regular
meeting,
will
be
april.
21St
you've
already
heard
some
of
the
things
that
will
be
involved
in
that
meeting.
It's
looking
forward
to
it,
especially
to
see
the
reports
about
the
performance
for
last
year
and
the
media
availability,
I
guess,
will
be
at
eric,
is
it
115
or
120.