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From YouTube: Transit Commission - 21 October 2020
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Transit Commission, October 21, 2020
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
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The
agenda,
those
who
do
not
need
to
participate
in
the
meeting
can
watch
the
live
stream
on
the
city's
youtube
channel
for
those
who
are
participating
in
the
meeting.
Please
keep
your
microphones
muted.
Until
I
call
on
you
to
speak,
I
will
provide
each
commission
member
with
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
comments
in
due
course.
Commission
members
will
be
called
on
first,
followed
by
any
other
member
of
council
who
has
joined
the
meeting
at
any
point.
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If
you
want
to
speak,
you
should
use
the
raised
hand
function
on
zoom,
which
you
will
find
by
opening
the
attendees
list,
using
the
zoom
controls
at
the
bottom
of
your
zoom
window
near
the
audio
controls
the
coordinator,
and
I
will
be
watching
for
these
cues,
the
usual
five
minute
speaking
limit
will
apply
now
before
we
turn
to
our
agenda.
I'd
just
like
to
offer
a
couple
remarks
here.
If
I
may
got
him
here
somewhere
there
we
go.
G
I
just
want
to
start
today's
transit
commission
meeting
by
taking
a
few
minutes
to
draw
your
attention
to
the
fact
that
this
year
marks
the
150th
anniversary
of
public
transit
in
ottawa
to
help
celebrate
the
milestone.
Oc
transpo
launched
an
amazing
virtual
museum
on
oc
transport.com
on
september
30th.
The
virtual
museum
is
an
interactive
space
where
guests
can
explore
the
moments
that
defined
our
city's
transit
system
and
it's
actually
fun
for
everyone
too.
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Public
transit
has
played
a
vital
role
in
the
economic
development,
community
growth
and
equal
opportunities
for
our
residents.
For
many
people
in
our
city,
public
transit
is
essential
today
as
well
to
them
to
access
for
them
sorry
to
access
health
services
and
employment
opportunities
throughout
our
history.
In
good
times
and
difficult
times,
transit
has
been
there
to
keep
us
moving.
G
For
example,
during
the
influenza
spanish
flu
epidemic
in
1918,
the
streetcars
received
enhanced
cleaning.
This
kept
them
moving,
enabling
customers
to
go
about
their
daily
lives
during
the
second
world
war,
five
of
the
new
buses
were
quiet
were
painted,
kalaki
green
in
case
they
were
needed
in
the
war
effort
when
a
massive
ice
storm
hit.
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Oc
transpo
service
continues
to
be
essential
to
move
people
and
our
city
forward
during
economic
recoveries,
as
you
can
see,
transit
has
always
been
there
through
thick
and
thin
with
us
and
the
reason
oc
transpo
has
been
able
to
continue.
This
long-standing
legacy
is
because
of
people
the
backbone
of
the
organization.
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The
people
at
oc
transport
continue
to
work
today
at
continue
to
work
day
and
night.
Sorry
to
keep
our
city
moving
at
all
times.
Their
dedication
and
professionalism
is
admirable
and
they
care
deeply
about
what
they
do.
On
october
7th,
we
celebrated
the
canadian
urban
transit
association's
transit
operator
and
worker
appreciation
day
to
recognize
our
transit
employees.
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If
anyone
wishes
to
lift
this
off
the
agenda,
we
will
have
to
approve
that
by
the
rules
and
procedures
being
waived
to
add
it.
As
such,
it
would
be
discussed
as
an
additional
item
at
the
end
of
the
agenda.
I
believe
that
any
questions
on
this
matter
can
be
addressed
as
well
by
mr
manconi
in
his
presentation.
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Okay,
so
that's
at
the
end
here
so,
okay,
so
then
no
one's
lifting
the
inquiry.
So
next
up
is.
We
have
two
items
on
the
agenda
and
I
believe
staff
have
presentations
on
both
so
we'll
just
proceed
now
with
item
number
one,
which
is
the
confederation
line
and
bus
service
update
mr
manconi,
the
floor
is
yours:.
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So
that
is
going
very
well
you're,
also
going
to
hear
from
troy
he's
going
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
seven
elements
of
the
plan
that
was
put
forward
in
terms
of
rectification,
great
progress
on
all
fronts.
There
all
work
has
either
been
completed
or
will
be
nearing
completion
shortly,
and
so
we
have
updates
for
you
on
that.
What's
critical,
is
you
know?
How
do
we
answer
the
question?
Will
this
reliability
be
consistent
and
there's
two
things
on
that?
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I
turn
it
over
the
chair
to
troy
and
and
pat.
I
want
to
just
touch
on.
You
know,
in
addition
to
the
lrt
work,
the
department's
been
very,
very
busy,
responding
to
covet
and
sustaining
the
services
to
our
community
and
also
I'm
happy
to
report
that
on
the
departmental
work
plan,
there
was
12
priorities
that
you
approved.
All
work
is
progressing
very
well.
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Only
the
work
is
is
done
or
being
done
is
the
marketing
and
advertising
report
will
move
from
the
end
of
the
year
to
the
q1
and
same
with
the
performance
reporting,
but
I'm
very
proud
of
the
men
and
women
of
oc
transport,
because
they've
done
a
phenomenal
job
of
sticking
to
those
12
priorities
and
the
corporate
plan
and
ensuring
that
we
continue
to
deliver
that
service.
Even
though
most
of
our
staff
serving
the
white
collar
environment
are
working
remotely
so
hats
off
to
the
team
and
now
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr
charter.
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Okay,
thank
you,
john
and
good
morning,
chair
councillors
and
transit
commissioners.
You
can
move
to
the
next
slide.
Please
that'd
be
great.
So,
as
mr
manconi
indicated,
this
is
the
the
agenda
that
we'll
be
following
for
the
for
the
for
the
presentation
today
and
I'll
be
focusing
on
the
performance
of
line
one
and
the
update
on
the
rectification
plan
next
slide,
please.
J
So
I'm
going
to
begin
today's
presentation
by
giving
you
an
overview
of
the
the
recent
performance
of
line,
one
followed
by
the
the
update
of
the
correct
actions
associated
with
the
rectification
plan,
and
this
is
information.
You
know
that
we,
you
know
we're
providing
an
update
from
the
information
that
was
presented
at
the
september
transit
commission
meeting
so
overall
with
the
performance
for
line,
one
there's
three
graphs
that
we're
going
to
review
you're
looking
at
the
first
one
here,
you've
seen
this
one
consistently.
J
This
first
graph
provides.
You
know
the
broad
summary
of
the
monthly
service
trend.
You'll
note
that
for
the
for
the
month
of
september,
we
finished
the
month
with
a
98
of
scheduled
service
delivered
and
so
far
for
the
month
of
october.
So
up
to
and
including
october
18th,
we're
currently
sitting
at
99
of
planned
service
delivered
the
next
next
slide.
J
Please,
similar
to
the
previous
graphic
you'll
recall
that
this
graph
shows
the
percentage
service
delivered
on
on
a
monthly
basis
and
each
dot
on
the
on
the
on
on
the
graph.
Is
the
percentage
of
the
plan
service
delivered
on
every
specific
any
specific
day
of
the
month?
The
wavy
line,
running
acro,
running
horizontally
across
is
the
monthly
average
and
it's
essentially
the
service
trend,
and
then
the
dotted
line
across
the
top
of
the
graph
represents
the
1997
service
delivered
threshold.
J
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J
You
may
notice,
though,
that
there
have
been
a
few
outliers,
for
example,
on
september
21st,
we
had
some
issues
during
the
morning
launch
and
then
on
october
13th,
I'm
sure
you
all
recall
there
was
the
suspicious
package
at
tony's
pasture,
which
caused
you
know
some.
You
know
an
impact
of
the
service,
the
rail
line
there,
and
that's
that's
reflected
in
in
these
graphs
here.
J
Basis
so
this
is
this
is
the
graph
and
once
again
just
as
a
quick
reminder-
and
I
promise
I
won't
do
this-
every
transit
commission
meeting.
But
you
know
this
graph
combines
the
previous
two
graphs
into
one.
It
uses
the
same
variables
as
the
previous,
slides
and
aggregates
all
the
data
you
saw
in
the
last
graph
into
this
color-coded
representation.
J
J
Overall,
I
think,
as
I
stated,
the
goal
is
to
see
highly
reliable
service
over
the
course
of
a
month,
but
also
the
one
that
is
consistent
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
The
more
consistent
the
service
is
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
the
smaller
that
green
box
you'll
see.
So
you
know,
if
you
look
at
september
and
october,
you
see
that
those
green
boxes
are
are
above
the
97
and
and
they're
they're
fairly.
J
So,
as
you
were
aware,
the
rectification
plan
that
rtg
presented
to
the
city
in
the
spring
outline
seven
key
areas
for
improvement
that
have
an
impact
on
service
reliability
and
ultimately
impacts
their
customers.
Overall,
as
mr
manconi
indicated
significant
process,
progress
has
been
made
in
resolving
these
issues
and
improving
the
service
with
regards
to
vehicle
brakes.
Largely
the
work
here
has
been
completed.
J
Software
updates
have
been
made
to
both
the
train,
as
well
as
the
train
control
systems,
but
you
know
rtg
does
continue
to
monitor
and
investigate
other
fine-tuning
of
vehicles
to
further
improve
their
performance.
We're
we're
largely
looking
at
you
know:
ride
quality,
ride,
comfort
issues
at
this
point,
but
you
know
largely
the
work
is
complete,
but
we
need
to
monitor
it
over
time
to
make
sure
that
it
has
the
desired
results
in
all
weather
conditions
and
all
seasons.
J
Regarding
the
overhead,
catenary
system
or
ocs,
you
know,
rtg
has
made
adjustments
to
the
ocs,
which
included
the
repair
and
replacement
of
mechanical
supports,
as
well
as
conducting
the
end-to-end
inspection.
They
continued
to
make
seasonal
adjustments
to
take
into
consideration
the
changing
weather
conditions.
You
know
when
you
go
from
warm
weather
to
cold
weather.
J
You
know
metal,
does
contract
and
move,
so
they
need
to
be
on
top
of
those
things,
and
you
know
that's
not,
unlike
all
other
ocs
systems
in
the
world,
there
always
needs
to
be
some
ongoing
adjustments,
but
you
know
this
is
one
of
those
ones.
It's
a
critical
area,
so
we
continue
to
monitor
and
we
will
be
watching
this
as
we
get
into
winter
months.
J
You
know,
as
described
at
the
last
transit
commission
meeting,
all
of
the
switch
heater
locations
are
being
upgraded.
This
will
help
increase
the
functionality
switches
during
the
winter
season.
We
know
that
we
had
a
you
know
a
number
of
disruptions
last
winter
and
they
were
directly
attributed
to
switches
and
switch
heaters.
J
J
So
with
this,
when,
when
our
control
center
staff
are
alerted
to
an
issue
with
the
heater,
our
rtg
staff
can
be
dispatched
to
rectify,
rectify
the
problem
before
things
like
snow
or
ice
can
build
up
and
then
prevent
the
track.
Switch
from
functioning
properly
system
has
been
updated
and
our
control
center
staff
are
going
to
receive
their
training
on
this
new
feature
in
the
coming
days.
So
that's
a
real
positive
step
forward
as
well.
Work
has
commenced
to
upgrade
the
switch
heaters
across
the
entire
line.
J
You
know
the
work
has
commenced
to
upgrade
all
three
of
those
locations
with
gas
powered
switch
heaters,
the
the
required
duct
work
at
those
locations
is
currently
being
installed
and
all
the
necessary
parts
have
been
delivered
are
on
site.
Rtg
has
confirmed
that
this
work
is
expected
to
be
complete
in
november
and
into
early
december.
J
While
we
are
concerned
that
this
is
getting
late
in
the
season,
you
know
we
asked
rtg
to
prioritize
those
locations
and,
and
they
will
be
implementing
three
additional
mitigation
measures
until
such
time
as
the
the
permanent
gas
powered
heaters
are
in.
So
the
first
mitigation
that
they'll
be
using
is,
is
a
you
know,
a
use
of
glycol
which
is
a
liquid
and
when
it
applied
to
surfaces,
it
helps
to
prevent
the
buildup
of
ice
and
snow
for
a
period
of
time,
so
they'll
be
pre-treating.
J
Secondly,
they've
committed
to
additional
field
resources
will
be
provided
to
attend
to
these
specific
locations
in
the
event
that
there
is
a
winter
event
prior
to
the
final
installation
of
the
gas
heaters
and,
lastly,
and
most
importantly,
rtg
will
be
installing
temporary
propane
heaters
until
the
permanent
gas
lines
are
installed.
The
use
of
these
propane
heaters
is
a
very
effective
solution,
as
the
switch
heaters
are
easily
adaptable
to
propane
or
natural
gas.
You
know
very
much
like
a
home
furnace.
In
fact.
J
J
With
regards
to
the
vehicle
traction
power,
the
replacement
of
the
inductors
continues
and
progress
at
this
time.
The
date
we
have
18
vehicles
that
have
been
completed
rtg
anticipates
that
this
work
will
continue
continue
into
early
next
year,
and
this
will
ensure
that
the
continued
improvement
in
the
performance
of
the
vehicles
with
that
said,
you
know
to
date.
J
Once
again,
we
continue
to
see
the
benefits
of
the
updated
software
with
very,
very
few
door
related
issues.
That
was
one
of
our
most
common
reasons
for
disruptions
prior
to
the
software
going
in
and
it's
dropped
considerably
very,
very
well.
Rtg
is
still
finalizing
the
an
implementation
plan
to
introduce
the
additional
mechanical
adjustments
that
would
help
our
electric
chain
operators
fixed
door
issues
should
one
occur
so
that
work
continues.
J
But
you
know,
as
I
said,
the
main
point
here
is:
we
are
seeing
far
far
less
of
those
issues:
they're
not
impacting
us
nearly
as
much
and
in
if,
when
we
do
have
a
door
issue,
you
know
generally
we're
able
to
get
that
isolated,
but
we
know
get
that
door
shut
taken
out
of
service,
but
the
train
gets
to
stay
in
service.
So
that's
an
important
piece
for
us
and
that's
been
happening
happening
well,
and
but
we
know
that
we
can
make
some
additional
improvements
to
further
get
back
into
service
quicker.
J
J
We
saw
how
it
functioned
during
the
the
heat,
but
now
we
need
to
verify
how
it
functions
in
the
in
the
cold
weather,
so
seeing
some
positive
seen
some
real
positive
stuff
there,
but
we
need
to
see
that
it
continues
through
the
winter
months.
So
that's
you
know.
We
need
to
monitor
that
and
watch
it
closely
overall
staff
for
continuing
modern
performance
on
all
these
items,
and
as
I
mentioned,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
it
continues
over
time
through
all
different
weather
conditions.
J
We
know
that
the
winter
months
are
the
most
challenging,
so
we
need
to
ensure
that
the
reliability
continues
during
this
time.
The
last
item
on
this
list
here
is
the
city's
assessment
of
the
rectification
plan.
This
assessment
does
include
all
these
elements.
The
seven
items
that
we've
reported
on,
but
it's
also
gonna-
it
also
includes
you-
know
we're
taking
a
very
holistic
review.
It
also
includes
things
like
you
know:
the
track
work
that
we
reported
on
previously,
as
well.
As
you
know,
procedures
for
winter
operations.
J
You
know
we
we've
with
you
know
mr
manconi
indicated
with
regards
to
the
winter
operations.
You
know,
there's
lots
of
work,
that's
been
done
there.
We,
you
know
they've,
they're,
updating
their
plans
based
on
the
lessons
learned.
We've
had
several
working
sessions.
We
actually
have
another
working
session
this
afternoon
to
finalize
the
staffing
levels
and
all
our
operational
procedures
and
we're
looking
at
different
types
of
weather
events
and
what
the
different
type
of
responses
would
be.
But
you
know,
that's
all
gonna,
be
part
of
this.
J
J
You
know
the
the
last
part
of
my
presentation,
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague,
pat
you
know,
with
respect
to
the
wheel,
cracks
rtg
and
also
have
continued
with
the
daily
inspection
regime
of
the
wheels.
This
is
being
undertaken
currently
to
the
independent
tsp
investigation.
You
know,
I
can't
stress
that
enough
that
the
independent
tsp
investigation
does
continue,
and
you
know,
as
we
mentioned
the
last
transit
commission
meeting
it.
You
know
it
may
take
some
time,
but
they
they
are
continuing.
J
J
The
positive
pieces
here
is
is
that
you
know,
as
evidenced
by
the
positive
trend
service,
reliability
rtg
continues
to
provide
15
trains
consistently
during
the
morning
peak
period
and
meet
our
daily
service
requirements,
while
continuing
with
the
vehicle
inspect
inspections.
So
we're
happy
with
we're
happy
in
that
regard,
but,
as
I
mentioned
I'll
now,
turn
things
over
to
my
colleague,
pat
stringer.
Thank
you.
K
So
first
of
all,
ridership
in
september
was
at
30
percent
of
its
usual
levels.
That
is
in
absolute
terms
the
highest
it's
been
since
the
pandemic
began
in
mid-march
2020.
Well,
you'll
recall
that
in
march
and
april
we
fell
down
so
that
we
were
only
at
about
15
of
our
usual
levels.
This
obviously
reflects
the
large
number
of
people
who
are
working
from
home
and
also
learning
from
home
and
not
traveling
to
universities
and
colleges
we'll
continue
to.
K
We
are
continuing
to
monitor
ridership
every
day
and
as
more
customers
return
we'll
make
adjustments
as
necessary.
To
this
point,
those
have
mostly
been
around
the
changing
requirements,
and
this
is
back
beginning
of
september,
changing
requirements
of
people
traveling
to
and
from
high
schools.
Next
slide,
please.
K
K
Last
sunday
we
opened
a
new
bus,
only
road
at
carleton
university
connecting
to
an
internal
road
called
raven
road
at
the
university.
This
new
road
connects
bronson
avenue
with
the
carlton
university
campus
and
avoids
traffic
congestion
that
always
occurs
at
the
corner
of
sunnyside
and
bronson
allows
buses
to
get
in
and
out
more
quickly
as
they
arrive
from
the
south
and
leave
to
the
south.
Primarily
this
was
put
in
as
part
of
the
construction.
K
The
next
slide,
please,
in
our
continuing
work,
to
do
a
number
of
small
things,
to
improve
customer
service
and
to
improve
and
to
respond
to
the
the
covid
situation
we've
introduced
at
the
redo
center
customer
service
center.
What
we're
calling
the
virtual
line
people
arrive,
can
punch
in
the
type
of
question
on
the
type
of
service
they
need
from
us
on
the
screen
that
you
see
there
and
they
get
a
number
that
gives
them
their
place
in
the
queue
and
then
their
numbers
called
out.
K
They
can
go
up
to
the
counter
coming
up
in
the
next
few
weeks.
We'll
also
be
adding
a
text
function
to
that,
so
people
can
be
further
away
and
get
a
text
message
when
they're,
when
they're
place
in
the
queue
has
arrived
and
also
a
web
app,
so
that
they
can
register
their
appointment
to
visit
without
needing
to
visit
the
site.
So
obviously,
this
reduces
lineups
allows
customers
to
stand
further
apart
and
further
away
from
the
customer
service
center
and
still
get
from
us
the
service
they
need
next
slide.
K
K
K
The
next
slide,
please
internally
here
at
oc,
transpose
since
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
there's
been
about
41
of
our
colleagues.
Out
of
3
000
of
us
who
have
tested
positive
for
covid19
22,
those
staff
members
are
in
positions
that
are
public
facing
and
that
we
notified
our
customers
about
32
of
the
41
have
recovered
and
are
back
to
work
and
at
this
time
nine
are
continuing
to
self-isolate
on
a
recovery
from
their
illness.
K
We've
got
some
very
nice
photos
where
you
can
compare
then,
and
now,
a
nice
historical
timeline
with
that
reflects
how
things
changed
over
time
with
with
photos
to
illustrate
and
a
little
interaction
to
allow
people
to
download
and
colorize
some
historical
historic
photos
and
upload
them
back,
so
that
we
can
have
a
look
at
them
and
share
them.
If,
if
appropriate,
to
this
point
in
just
a
few
days
a
couple
of
weeks,
we
have
had
more
than
7
900
views
of
the
web
pages.
K
More
than
53
000
social
media
views
on
links
to
the
virtual
museum
and
more
than
5000
engagements
on
social
media,
so
we'll
keep
this
going
and
use
it
as
a
way
to
allow
people
to
continue
to
learn
more
about
the
background
that
brings
us
to
where
we
are
today.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
you
back
to
the
chair
and
to
john
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
G
Before
I
turn
to
questions
to
the
colleagues,
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
couple
of
things
that
have
been
said
here:
first
off
on
the
the
your
coved
report
on
the
employees.
I
I
hope
I
can
speak
on
behalf
of
the
commission
here
and
and
let
you
know
that
the
employees
are
in
our
thoughts
and
prayers
and
that
we
hope
everybody
recovers
quickly
from
gobed
on
the
numbers
for
the
mass.
G
G
I'm
happy
in
the
sense
that
there's
a
backup
plan
here
with
the
propane,
so
hopefully
our
riders
are
not
impacted
what
it
do
because
of
this
delay
to
install.
But
I
think
we
also
have
to
talk
about
the
elephant
in
the
room
here
and
that
is
that
snc
needs
to
communicate
better
and
they.
It
also
tells
me
that
rtm
needs
to
verify
and
validate
what
snc
is
reporting,
because
clearly
they
were
not
making
progress
on
these
switches
when
they
were
telling
us.
G
They
were
it's
disappointing
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
effort
by
the
new
leadership
at
rtm
and
our
staff
to
work
together
on
resolving
this
these
issues,
and
so
I'm
very
disappointed,
and
I
think
it's
shameful
behavior
on
the
part
of
the
the
contractor
to
to
do
this
to
us.
So
that
said,
I'm
going
to
turn
to
questions
from
my
colleagues.
First
off
councillor,
brockington.
M
Thank
you
again,
sharon
good
morning
to
you
and
and
colleagues,
and
thank
you
chair
for
those
words
in
particular,
I
share
your
feelings
and
frustrations
and
I
I
wanted
to
focus
my
comments
on
the
rectification
plan
that
mr
charter
updated
us
on
and
mr
charter.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
update
and
again
my
observation
is
no
timelines,
for
actual
fixes
have
been
provided
to
the
commission.
You've
provided
updates
on,
what's
been
done,
since
we
were
last
briefed,
but
perhaps
this
is
in
line
with
with
chair
hubley's
comments.
M
Are
we
getting
any
indication
any
possible
timelines
to
when
certain
problems
will
be
fixed
on
the
switch
heater
issue?
It's
october,
we're
lucky,
we
haven't
had
snow.
Yet
in
the
past,
we've
had
some
snow
in
october,
but
I'm
not
confident
that
these
trains
will
get
through
winter
without
issues
with
our
switches.
So
I'm
just
using
that
as
an
example.
But
when
will
these
issues
be.
G
C
C
C
The
switch
heaters
were
supposed
to
be
done
by
the
end
of
october.
They
did
not.
They
advised
us
a
week
ago
that
they
were
not
going
to
meet
that
timeline,
but
they
didn't
come
ham
empty-handed.
We
asked
for
a
redundancy
plan,
and
so
we
have
the
multi-prong
piece
that
troy
articulated.
I
want
to
go
over
it
again
because
I
don't
know
how
the
audio
was
for
others,
but
he
was
breaking
up
when
he
went
through
it.
So
I
just
want
to
share
with
your
permission.
C
One
of
the
things
we
didn't
have
last
year
was
scada
points,
so
a
live
telemetry
into
our
control
room.
Knowing
the
status
of
the
heaters.
We
knew
the
status
of
the
switches.
We
did
not
know
the
status
of
the
heaters.
We
now
have
that
so
in
the
control
room.
You'll
know
whether
the
pilot
light
is
on
whether
the
blowers
are
working
and
so
forth
check.
That's
done.
C
We
also
wanted
the
west
end
switches
upgraded.
We
did
not
require,
nor
did
we
think
they
needed
to
go
to
gas
there,
because
the
data
is
clear.
The
problems
were
in
the
east
end,
so
the
electrical
extension
on
those
heaters
and
upgrades
have
been
done
so
check.
That's
done
what
you're
left
with
is
trombley
sailor
and
blair
blair
being
the
most
problematic
switch.
C
That
work
has
started
converting
to
gas
natural
gas
and
if
they
don't
get
that
completed
in
time,
they
can
use
portable
propane
tanks
to
fuel
that
switch
heater,
they're
also
doing
trombley
and
sailarong,
and
it's
been
elevated,
the
highest
level
of
the
consortium
to
accelerate
that.
Ideally,
we
would
have
wanted
that
done
by
november
15th.
That's
your
typical
cut
off
I've
done
winter
operations
in
public
works.
That's
when
you
really
want
to
sleep
well
at
night,
so
but
they're
not
going
to
achieve
that.
C
Based
on
what
we
know
today,
but
I
can
tell
you
they're
talking
to
their
trades
we've
also
given
them
opportunities
we'll
do
shutdowns
on
the
weekends
to
accelerate
it
and
then,
on
top
of
all
that
they're
also
adding
glycol,
which
is
an
anti-icing
agent
on
the
switches,
which
is
a
very
good
approach
and
extra
resources,
not
just
when
needed,
but
physically
there
and
troy
has
been
instrumental
in
giving
them
access
gates
portals
parking
spots
for
their
staff
and
so
forth.
So
a
very
robust
plan
with
multiple
layers
of
redundancy
but
counselor
brockington.
C
To
your
point
you
know
we
should
have
maybe
indicated
that
in
the
presentation
all
the
work
has
been
completed.
Rtm
has
said
everything
save
and
accept
those
last
pieces
of
the
switches
are
ready
for
our
assessment.
So
that's
the
the
punch
line
on
today's
report
to
you.
I
don't
know
if
that
answers
your
question.
M
Yeah,
I
appreciate
those
details
and
let
me
I'm
going
to
ask
you
a
question,
but
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
start
with
my
answer.
First
and
I've
been
asked
how
I
will
deem
success
of
this
rectification
plan,
and
I
said
if
you
look
back
to
february
of
2020,
when
we
were
serving
180
185
000
people
in
a
day
on
a
good
day
and
the
trains
were
running.
M
M
C
C
Having
said
that,
I
want
you
to
know
that,
even
without
the
loads,
we
are
doing
things
that
were
not
part
of
the
plan.
They
came
up
from
our
team
and
our
professionals
and
I'll
use
the
doors
an
example
the
software
got
installed,
went
through
all
the
testing
that
normal
railroads
do.
In
addition
to
that,
I
gave
troy
a
mission
I
said:
put
people
out
on
the
system.
C
Do
not
let
the
operators
or
rtm
know
where
they
are
and
try
to
jam
the
doors
with
backpacks
with
different.
You
know,
configurations
of
of
stress
on
them
and
everything
else.
The
door
software
is
performing
very
very
well.
I
would
love
to
have
a
full
system
to
test
it
to
the
point
that
you're
talking
about.
We
don't
have
that.
We've
got
kovid,
I'm
hoping
some
ridership
returns,
but
I
also
want
to
look
at
in
fairness
to
rtm,
where
the
successes
have
occurred.
C
15
double
vehicles,
hot
spares
ready.
Sometimes
we
have
two
hot
spares
that
they
don't
even
have
to
have.
They've
responded
well
to
situations.
You
know
somebody
was
asking
why
there
was
a
train
parked
at
tony's
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
That
was
a
strategic
hold
because
it
was
showing
some
early
signs
of
a
potential
problem.
They
removed
it
from
the
line,
so
they
didn't
have
those
long
drawn
out
things
like
you
counselor.
I
remember
new
year's
eve
and
that
you
know
that
was
the
ultimate
failure.
We
don't
want
another
one
of
those.
C
I've
got
all
the
ingredients
to
do
the
assessment.
I
don't
have
the
volume
of
people,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
checks.
There
are
boxes
that
are
getting
checked
off
very
well,
and
good
service
equals
payment,
equals
happy,
customers
and
and
a
council
that
doesn't
have
to
deal
with
angry
customers
and-
and
you
know
how
sympathetic
I
am
to
to
the
brunt
that
you
folks
have
had
to
face
and
to
our
customers
and
staff.
M
J
J
That
was
out
a
little
bit
too
far
and
which
caused
the
distress
every
one
of
those
wheels
that
had
that
jacking
screw
protruding
out
a
little
bit
whether
or
not
there's
any
issue
with
that
wheel
is
being
replaced,
but
there
are
wheels
in
which
the
jacking,
the
jacket
screw
was
not
an
issue.
Those
ones
are,
are
not
being
replaced.
Those
ones
have
been
confirmed
to
be
fine
they're.
J
D
Good
morning,
everyone,
I
do
have
a
couple
questions
about
the
about
the
switches,
so
we've
known
that
the
east
end
switching
problems
since
last
winter.
That
became
very
clear
when
the
weather
started
to
get
really
cold
and
there
was
snow
and
ice.
So
my
question
is:
if
we've
known
about
these
since
last
winter,
why
has
the
work?
Why
was
the
upgrade
work
not
completed
this
summer?
When
we
had
spring
and
summer,
we
had
lower
ridership
and
the
weather
was
fine.
Why
is
why?
C
Chair,
commissioner,
they
so
the
sequencing.
The
work
was
always
intended
to
be
towards
the
fall
period
for
a
couple
of
reasons:
parts
for
those
components
they
have
to
source
those
they
have
to
do
the
design
in
terms
of
the
size,
the
feeder
mains
and
so
forth,
and
also
sequencing.
They
wanted
to
get
track,
work
and
catenary
work
and
everything
else
done
before
that
we
were
fine
with
that
plan
that
the
deadline
was
end
of
october.
We
were
not
fine
and
I
can
tell
you.
C
C
D
Thank
you
in
terms
of
the
vehicle
traction
power,
so
mr
charter
indicated
that
inductors
continue
to
be
replaced
and
work
will
continue
into
next
year
and
that
we
haven't
seen
any
arcing
issues,
but
in
fairness,
it
hasn't
been
winter.
And
so,
how
confident
are
you
that
the
covers
that
were
put
onto
the
tops
of
the
trains
which
is
sort
of
a
in
the
meantime
fix?
I
suppose,
how
confident
are
we
that
this
will
ensure
that
power
arcing
issues
will
not
continue
to
happen.
J
J
J
You
know,
I
think
they
they,
you
know
the
the
their
their
solution
that
they
brought
forward
has
been
reviewed
by
by
multiple
engineers
and
in
a
third
parties,
and
you
know
they've
confirmed
that
they
think
that's
the
right
step
and
one
of
the
big
pieces
was
that
was
the
deep
clean
on
the
roofs
getting
that
that
build
up
off
that
roof,
and-
and
you
know,
because
that
was
creating
that
conductive.
You
know
it
allowed
the
the
the
current
to
stray
a
little
bit
which
which
created
the
arcing.
J
D
Thank
you
so,
on
the
auxiliary
power
units,
the
root
cause
apparently
continues
to
be
a
mystery.
Why
has
it
been
so
difficult
to
determine
the
root
cause?
And
I
asked
because,
without
a
determination
of
a
root
cause,
it's
impossible
for
us
to
know
whether
the
fixes
that
have
been
put
in
place
are
actually
fixes
that
will
fix
the
problem
or
are
just
improvements
to
the
system,
but
the
root
cause
will
still
cause
issues.
J
They
believe
they
know
what
the
issue
was,
and
they
believe
that
the
the
various
updates
they've
done
has
has
rectified
it,
but
they
haven't
been
able
to
pinpoint
this
was
the
exact
cause
and
it's,
I
think
it's
just
a
function
of
the
you
know,
there's
so
many
different
systems
that
are
they're
communicating
each
other,
there's
so
many
different
variables,
and
you
know
there
has
been
work
that
they've
been
doing
on
a
whole
bunch
of
things.
And
you
know
it's.
You
know
it's.
J
You
know
whether
it
be
the
catenary
system
and
how
the
catenary
interacts
with
the
train
or
how
the
cbs
units
interact
with
the
hydraulic
pressure
units.
I
mean
there's
all
those
interaction
points,
so
they're
systematically
going
through,
where
all
those
where
there
is
you
know
where
the
systems
are
communicating
with
each
other
and
saying
you
know
and
trying
to
isolate
it.
But
you
know
at
this
point:
you
know
they
believe
they've
addressed
it,
but
they
have.
They
can't
pinpoint.
This
was
the
exact
problem.
This
was
the
solution.
D
D
So
you
mentioned
briefly
in
your
presentation
about
track
work,
and
I
just
want
to
ask
a
quick
question
about
that:
can
anyone
provide
an
update
on
the
track
route
that
has
been
undertaken
and
what's
the
expected
date
of
completion?
So
specifically,
I
mean
we
all
know
that
the
area
around
herdman
station
on
either
side
is
a
bit
of
a
rough
ride,
and
so
I
just
wondered
if
we
could
get
an
update
on
the
track.
Work.
C
C
It's
it's
a
railroad
and-
and
you
will
always
be
doing,
track
work,
and
I
just
say
that,
because
I
don't
want
people
to
be
alarmed
if
they
see
us
out
there
doing
track
work
and
by
the
way
most
of
it
gets
done
at
night
or
or
if
we
do
shutdowns
and
so
forth.
So
there
is
some
significant
adjustments
that
that
we've
asked
for,
and
that's
come
from,
our
work.
C
Mr
boyle,
you
remember
he
was
here
months
ago
and
the
new
management
team
has
embraced
all
that
and
they're
they're
mapping
out
some
track
work,
the
time
slots
with
troy.
We
want
to
do
that
after
the
track
switches
are
done
and
then
with
track.
The
key
message
is:
you
will
always
be
working
on
the
track
both
summer
and
winter
day
and
night.
C
It's
when
you
don't
adjust
the
track
and
do
things
such
as
the
spot,
weld
checks
and
the
corrugation
checks
and
so
forth
that
you
get
into
significant
problems
in
terms
of
that
so
left
unchecked.
You
can
get
major
track
issues,
but
we
do
have
some
some
work
coming
up
that
addresses
the
noise
and
the
ride.
Comfort,
piece,
no
firm
dates
yet
as
to
when
that's
on,
but
that
does
not
affect.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
So
my
final
questions
are
to
do
with
the
wheel:
cracks
I'm
glad
to
see
that
there's
a
daily
inspection
regime
of
the
wheels
just
with
respect
to
the
cracks
have
any
new
cracks
been
found.
Since
the
last
report,
I
think
there
were
four
at
the
last
we
had
heard.
Are
there
have
any
new
ones
been
found.
D
Thank
you
and
finally,
at
the
last
transit
from
commission
meeting,
mr
manconi
made
it
clear
that
oc
transpose
conclusions
with
respect
to
the
root
cause
of
the
wheel
cracks
were
independent
from
the
tsb
investigation.
Mr
manconi
was
very
clear
about
that.
The
tsb
investigator
had
not
come
to
a
conclusion
with
respect
to
the
root
cause
of
the
whale
cracks
in
his
presentation.
Mr
charter
did
mention
that
we
know
the
cause
of
the
root
cracks.
Sorry,
the
root
cause
of
the
of
the
wheel
cracks
has
something.
C
D
F
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
troy
and
john
and
pat
for
your
presentation.
I
want
to
highlight
some
of
the
positive
things
that
I
heard
today,
which
is
in
my
mind.
I
guess
the
virtual
lineup
and
the
text
queue
for
the
redo
center.
I've
often
seen
those
lineups
and
thought
we
must
find
a
different
way
to
do
this,
so
I'm
here
that
you
guys
have
have
found
that
and
then
things
will
be
up
and
running
in
the
weeks
ahead.
F
Pleased
to
hear
the
mask
up
operation
is
working
and
that
only
seven
people
have
been
fined
and
the
raven
road
extension
at
carlton.
U
is
a
real
good
news
piece
as
well.
I
sort
of
live
near
that
area
and
therefore
I've
seen
the
issues
that
have
arisen.
So
thanks
for
addressing
that,
I
wanted
to
give
mr
charter
the
chance
to
talk
some
more
about
the
hvac
system.
J
J
J
Both
you
know
in
the
passenger
compartment
in
the
operator
area
that
it
was
able
to
maintain
a
you
know.
You
know
the
required
temperature,
you
know,
and
but
you
know
so
that's
the
air
conditioning
side
of
things.
We
need
to
look
at
it
from
the
winter
operations
and
the
heating
side
of
things
and
we're
looking
at
it
both,
as
I
said
from
from
both
the
the
passenger
compartment
area
to
the
operator
compartment
now.
J
J
With
the
operation
in
which
all
doors
open
at
all
stations,
you
know
during
these
coveted
times
we
don't
want
to
introduce
a
touch
point
for
customers
to
touch
the
door
to
to
open
it
to
press
that
the
demand
button.
So
you
know
that
does
create
a
challenge
on
the
hvac
system.
In
that
you
know,
when
you
open
up
14
doors
on
this
train.
J
You
know
the
air,
you
know
all
the
air
that
you
built
up
inside
goes
out
and
you
bring
in
fresh
air
which,
which
is
a
good
thing
too,
as
well
drink
cobian,
that
you
want
that
air
to
be
refreshed
as
frequently
as
possible.
So
that
does
create
a
bit
of
a
challenge
for
the
hvac
system,
but
you
know
it
it
did.
It
did
function
well
over
the
summer
and
we
had
you
know.
If
you
recall,
we
had
a
very,
very
warm
july,
so
you
know
we're
we're
we
need,
but
you
know
yeah.
J
C
Chair,
yes,
it
is:
we've
we're
tracking
to
a
we're
going
to
have
a
demonstration
station
available
in
december,
with
with
one
gate,
fully
equipped
with
contactless
payment
system,
so
you'll
be
able
to
use
credit
cards.
Apple
pay
apple
watch
all
that
stuff,
and
that's
too,
we
want
to
stress
test
it
and
that
will
do
the
testing
so
that
we
can
then
roll
out
across
both
rail
and
buses
in
2021.
F
Okay,
great,
my
last
question
is
more
of
a
general
one,
but
are
there
any
potential
issues
that
you
guys
are
watching
closely
and
you're
keeping
your
eye
on,
especially
as
we
go
into
the
months
ahead?
You
mentioned
a
lot
of
boxes
being
checked
and
just
kind
of
want
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
discuss
which
boxes
are
not
being
checked
and
what
what's
keeping
you
awake
at
night
as
we
go
into
the
next
phase.
I
guess
of
this.
C
Yeah,
I
know
that's
a
very
good
question
one
it
can.
We
can
come
across
and
I
apologize
if
we
do
that.
All
we're
focusing
is
on
those
seven
things,
but
your
your
question
speaks
to
the
broader
picture.
One
of
the
things
we're
doing
is
we
want
to
identify
trends
before
they
become
big
issues
and
that's
the
positive
report
and
I
will
give
rtm
credit
here
again.
There
are
no
new
issues
that
are
creeping
in
we're
not
seeing
new
things
creep
in
and
a
reminder.
C
You
know
very
complicated
systems
and
subsystems.
A
lot
of
things
are
working
well,
the
redundancy
is
working.
Well,
you
know
we
had.
We
had
a
serious
situation
on
a
mental
health
issue
a
couple
weeks
ago
on
the
track.
The
system
did
exactly
what
it
was
designed
to
do,
intrusion,
alarms
and
so
forth.
So
all
of
that
gets
lost
in
in
the
negativity
that
we
went
through
last
year,
but
I'm
happy
to
report
to
date.
F
B
Yes,
please
don't
thank
you
very
much
and
I
I
just
I
note
the
the
presence
of
our
colleague
our
new
colleague,
counselor
kitts,
welcome,
counselor,
kids.
I
know
how
important
transit
is
out
in
cumberland
and
the
east
end
of
the
city.
So
it's
it's
nice
to
see
you
today
and
welcome
aboard
to
being
new,
and
mr
manconi,
like
the
chair,
said
thank
you
to
all
oc
transport
employees
who
are
on
the
job
keeping
our
economy
moving.
B
Our
economy
is
such
is
currently
and-
and
I
I
certainly
appreciate
the
employees
and
and
the
work
that
you're
doing
to
to
keep
transit
moving
in
ottawa.
Just
a
couple
of
quick
questions
on
slide,
12,
the
virtual
line
at
the
redo
center,
and
we
had
received
an
email
from
pat
about
that
on
a
couple
weeks,
I'm
just
pulling
it
up,
but
the
virtual
lines.
B
K
Mr
chair,
it
accessibility
of
all
of
our
customer
facing
devices
and
services
is
an
important
part
of
how
we
design
everything.
This
was
checked
against
all
accessibility
standards
by
there
are
people
who
specialize
in
that
it
does
meet
the
standards
that
are
are
set
in
law
and
regulation
and
under
the
city's
design
standards.
K
Having
said
that,
we're
always
ready
to
hear
from
any
customer
who,
if,
when
they
use
it
there,
they
have
a
difficulty,
we're
always
ready
to
find
a
way
to
adapt
the
service
to
to
meet
their
needs.
One
of
the
things
that
is
coming
up
in
the
next
little
while
will
be
the
ability
to
make
those
selections
from
a
smartphone
in
addition
to
the
panel.
K
Also,
I
can
say
that
going
along
with
this,
we've
been
building
a
lot
more
ability
for
people
to
make
these
transactions
without
needing
to
go
to
the
radio
center
location,
so
we're
more
and
more
able
to
help
these
customers
online
or
over
the
phone
and
we'll
continue
to
build
more
of
that.
That
function
as
we
go
through
the
rest
of
this
year
and
into
next
year.
B
Yeah
see
mr
stringer,
I
know
how
how
important
accessibility
is
for
you
and
your
team,
and-
and
I
appreciate
that
very
much
on
slide
13-
and
this
is
my
last
question
chair
slide
13
at
the
top
15
customers
were
denied
access
to
the
system
for
refusing
to
wear
a
mask.
Could
you
give
us
a
little
bit
more
about
those
circumstances
as
much
as
you
can
was
that
a
refusal?
C
Chair
the
best
way
to
describe
that
first
group
is
100
uncooperative
customers
that
are
basically
saying
there's
no
way,
I'm
wearing
a
mask.
No,
I
don't
have
a
medical
condition.
I
just
I'm
opposed
to
mass
and
our
position
is
you're
not
coming
out
of
the
system.
No,
they
were
uncooperative
in
every
respect.
B
Thank
you,
and
do
we
have
a
way
of
of
no
for
those
who
may
want
to
access
the
system
and
who
don't
have
a
mask
with
them
at
that
time,
but
who
are
not
uncooperative
to
use
your
term?
Mr
manconi,
do
we
have
masks
available
for
you
forgot
it
today,
here's
a
mask
make
sure
you
bring
your
own
next
time
kind
of
the
situation.
E
E
C
Chair
the
all
revenues
go
into
general
recoveries
for
this
for
the
city
and
and
to
be
candid
and
blunt,
you
know
we're
bleeding
money
at
the
fare
box.
You
know
four
million
a
week
is
up
to
four
million
a
week
is
what
we're
losing
so
we're
in
a
deficit
position,
as
you
know,
so
we're
trying
to
to
secure
all
funds,
so
the
treasurer
takes
all
the
fine
money
and
puts
it
into
the
general
reserves,
or
in
this
case
I
think
it
goes
to
the
transit
reserve.
E
G
G
Question.
Thank
you.
That
was
your
question.
Okay,
thank
you,
the
mr
manconi.
If
I
could
come
back
to
the
discussion
about
the
switches,
please
I'd
like
to
give
direction,
I
think
the
commission
will
agree
that
we
we
really
need
to
ask
rtm,
which
is
our
overseer
of
the
contract,
to
validate
the
suppliers
plan
on
the
switches.
C
Yes,
chair
and
I'm
happy
to
report
I've
already
done
that
I
was
on
the
phone
calls
yesterday,
they're
they're,
actually
sitting
in
the
suppliers,
offices
and
and
just
outside
of
toronto.
Right
now
and
troy
has
some
staff
embedded
in
that
team
that
we're
going
to
be
getting
an
update
every
single
day.
G
G
M
Yes,
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
just
two
things
one
is.
I
just
wanted
to
state
on
the
record
that
I've
I've
been
in
communication
with
mr
scrimger
about
the
name,
raven
road,
there's
a
raven
in
my
ward,
that
has
oc
transphobe
bus
service,
and
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that
my
concern
is
confusion
about
two
streets
with
the
same
name
in
case
there's
an
accident
or
emergency
vehicles
are
required.
M
M
My
question,
though,
is
this:
is
significant
public
transit
in
ottawa,
150th
anniversary,
in
addition
to
the
good
work
that
you've
done
in
a
website,
I
think
deserves
more
of
a
celebration,
obviously,
with
ridership
down
it's
hard
to
engage
the
public
who
are
not
writing
our
system
to
any
great
numbers
at
the
top
at
this
time,
but
are
there
other
plans
to
help
commemorate
the
significant
milestone
in
the
history
of
public
transit
in
our
city?
One
of
my
suggestions.
C
C
What
I
didn't
want
to
do
was
spend
a
lot
of
money
and
and
when,
when
people
are
struggling-
and
you
know
our
customers
are
struggling
also,
I
am
happy
to
receive
any
and
all
suggestions
from
any
member
of
commissioner
council.
If
there's
things
you
want
us
to
to
do,
I
was
just
we're
just
watching
the
nickels
and
the
pennies
very
very
carefully
right
now,
because
you
know
pat
and
his
team
put
together
some
really
good
ideas.
C
We
went
virtual
because
that
was
the
low
cost
thing,
but
special
events,
especially
with
covid,
plaques
and
so
forth.
All
things
right
now,
I'm
just
being
very,
financially
prudent
on
that,
but
again
I'm
at
the
at
the
will
of
transit
commission
members.
If
there's
things
you
want
us
to
consider,
I'm
happy
to
have
that
dialogue,
and
perhaps
we
can
kind
of
bring
it
back
in
terms
of
some
ideas
to
the
committee.
If
you
like.
M
No,
I
mean
I,
I
will
not
push
back
on
you
being
financially
prudent.
I
I
completely
support
and
endorse
that.
I
I've
seen
in
some
of
our
lrt
stations
like
glass
showcases,
where
we
do
have
we're
using
them
for
art,
or
you
know,
displays
of
other,
I
think
as
a
very
low
cost.
You
can
maximize
our
high
volume
stations
and
maybe
with
some
you
know,
old
photographs
prints,
whatever
very
economical,
but
also
help
celebrate
this
milestone
and
tap
into
people
who
maybe
have
not
visited
the
website.
I
just
think
150
years.
M
C
M
C
G
N
G
N
Well,
we
can
go
through
that
first
and
I'll
speak
to
it
when
it
comes
up
chair
just
on
the
raven
road
piece.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
staff
for
that
and
to
counselor
brockington
raven
road,
obviously,
within
within
carlton
university,
it's
been
named
raven
road
for
for
some
time
now,
but
certainly
certainly
worth
a
discussion
there.
N
The
key
with
ra
with
raven
road
in
the
future
is
maintaining
that
bus
priority
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
that
bus
priority
there,
that
it
doesn't
just
turn
into
a
road
simply
for
for
for
cars.
It
needs
to
remain
a
bus
priority
as
it
is
right
now.
So
I
appreciate
staff's
work
on
that
and
glad
to
see
that
that
raven
road
operational
that'll
really
help
with
the
current
shutdown
of
the
o
train.
B
With
respect
to
this,
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
google
streetcar
696
to
learn
more
about
it.
There's
an
element
on
the
oc
transpo
website,
and
I
did
bring
this
to
the
attention
of
act.
If
anybody
needs
more
information
on
that,
I'd
be
happy
to
share
what
I
know
about
it.
It
is
being
restored
at
the
colonnade
road
and
oc
transport
garage.
Thank
you
for
indulging
me
chair.
G
J
Sorry,
thank
you,
john
I'll
actually
be
presenting
the
the
presentation
on
the
barriers.
Okay.
Okay,
sorry,
my
apologies
all
right,
so
so
thank
you
speaking
for
the
first
slide,
that'd
be
great!
Please
thank
you.
Okay.
So,
by
way
of
background
in
may
of
2018,
the
transit
commission
was
informed
of
a
number
of
products
that
were
being
tested
on
the
oc
transpo
bus
fleet.
One
of
the
products
that
was
tested
was
a
was
a
permanent
bus
operator
barrier
or
also
known
as
an
operator
shield.
J
Next
slide,
please,
over
the
past
several
years,
there's
been
a
number
of
advancements
in
the
transit
industry.
Transit
properties
across
north
america
are
working
towards,
or
have
already
implemented,
permanent
operator
barriers.
In
an
effort
to
prevent
salts
on
transit
staff,
edmonton
translink
in
vancouver,
the
tcc
are
just
a
few
of
many
properties
that
have
adopted
barriers.
J
J
Actually,
if
you
could
go
back
one
slide
still
there
thanks.
Thank
you.
Essentially,
it
was
an
amendment
to
the
criminal
code
specific
to
you
know,
assaults
against
transit
operators
and-
and
you
may
recall
it
was
a
you
know-
it
was
originally
referred
to
as
bregg's
law.
It
was
named
after
an
edmonton
bus
operator
who
was
who's
who
suffered.
You
know
some
life-changing
injuries
as
a
result
of
an
assault
over.
You
know,
2.50
fare
so
that
that's
that's
now
been
approved,
or
it's
been
it's
now.
J
It's
now
part
of
the
criminal
code
and
it
becomes
an
aggregating
factor.
If
someone
were
to
assault
an
operator,
that's
taken
into
consideration
in
the
essentially
assigning
the
sentencing
to
the
the
offender
and
lastly,
there
there
are
now
a
number
of
barrier
operator
operator,
barrier
systems
that
are
available
in
the
market
and
that
can
either
be
added
to
a
bus
during
the
initial
production
or
as
an
aftermarket
addition
to
the
bus.
J
Now
next
slide.
Please
think
you
know
the
safety
and
security
of
our
staff
and
our
customers
has
and
always
will
continue
to
be
our
top
priority.
But
to
that
end
you
know,
standard
safety
equipment
on
buses
now
includes
you
know:
fire
suppressant
and
tire
pressure,
monitoring
systems,
digital
video
recorders,
cctv
cameras,
emergency
radios,
gps
tracking,
let's
just
name
a
few
of
the
the
of
the
items
you
know.
J
This
is
in
addition
to
the
extensive
standard,
operating
procedures
and
training
that
frontline
staff
receive,
and
and,
as
you
know,
we
also
have
you
know
dedicated
special
constable
unit,
other
supervisory
staff
and-
and
we
work
very
closely
with
our
emergency
response
providers
as
a
result
of
the
best
practices
and
compared
to
research,
oc
transport.
You
know
we
determined
to
product
test
a
permanent
barrier
as
an
additional
safety
measure.
J
The
focus
of
the
product
testing
was
evaluate
the
barrier
you
know
as
that
physical
measure
that
would
increase
the
overall
safety
of
bus
operation.
In
turn,
our
customers.
We
wanted
to
verify
how
the
buses
would
fit
and
function
on
their
fleet.
Would
the
presence
be
well
received
by
staff
and
customers?
Would
the
barriers
be
easy
to
use
and
stand
up
to
the
day-to-day
use?
J
Aero
global
was
selected
as
the
qualified
vendor
who
met
the
stated
requirements.
Two
different
versions
of
the
aero
global
slide
and
stow
barrier
protection
system
were
tested
and
assessed.
One
was
a
standard
glass
and
one
was
an
extended
slide.
Glass.
Both
both
models
are
relatively
similar.
I
got
a
picture
in
a
couple
of
slides.
Both
models
are
relatively
similar,
with
the
exception
that
the
extended
glass
version
features
a
plexiglass
barrier
that
you
know
as
it's
sort
of
titled.
It
extends
further
towards
the
front
windshield
than
the
standard
glass
version.
J
As
I
previously
mentioned,
12
buses
were
installed
with
the
barrier,
ensuring
that
every
conventional
bus
type
that
remains
in
our
fleet
was
included
in
the
product
testing.
So
we
what
we
did
was
you
know
there
was
four
on
60-foot
articulated
buses,
three
on
our
envero
40-foot
buses,
two
on
double-decker
buses
and
and
three
on
our
newest
fleet.
The
nova
buses
next
slide.
Please.
J
So
in
this
picture
here
you
can
see
the
two
types
of
barriers
that
were
tested.
As
I
mentioned,
you
know.
Both
both
players
are
quite
similar
and
provide
easy
access
for
the
operator.
Both
barriers
have
a
door
with
with
a
piece
of
plexiglass
affixed,
which
is
approximately
you
know.
It
goes
the
entire
length,
but
it
you
know,
ends
approximately
six
to
ten
inches
away
from
the
ceiling.
J
The
door
is,
is
open
from
by
a
lever
handle
located
inside
the
operator's
compartment
and
is
secured
with
the
latch.
So
whenever
the
operator
needs
to
leave
their
seat
for
whatever
reason
they
can
simply
use
the
door
handle
it's
very
easy
to
access
and
very
easy
to
use.
So
and
then
you
know,
you
know,
as
you
can
see
in
the
photos,
the
barrier
provides
that
that
you
know
it
provides
a
physical
barrier
with
prevents
access
to
the
operator
this.
J
This
can
help
and
will
help
in
improving
preventing
assaults
as
well.
You
know
similar
to
the
the
temporary
shields
that
we
put
in
place
now.
You
know
it
will
also
assist
in
the
prevention
of
covet,
while
not
in
you
know,
an
important
piece,
while
not
interfering
with
the
safe,
safe
operation
of
the
vehicle.
J
J
One
of
the
resounding
comments
that
was
that
most
of
our
operators
expressed
was
feelings
of
increased
safety.
You
know-
and
this
was
echoed
as
well
with
with
our
customers.
Overall,
the
feedback
from
both
operators
and
customers
was
quite
positive
and
in
support
of
installing
the
moving
forward
with
installing
permanent
barriers.
J
One
comment
that
was
raised
by
both
operators
and
customers
was
with
regards
to
a
vibration
or
rattling
sound,
that
the
barrier
made
when
the
bus
was
in
operation.
The
working
group
reviewed
this
feedback
and
and
recommends
that
there'll
be
a
requirement
to
improve
the
stability
of
the
operator
barrier.
In
order
to
address
this
issue,
this
feedback
is
important
to
us
because
you
know:
should
the
funding
be
improved,
should
the
funding
be
approved,
we'll
incorporate
this
feedback
into
you
know
any
future
procurement
process.
J
J
J
You
know
buses
were
equipped
with
buses
that
were
equipped
with
the
barriers
included,
the
decal
that
you
can
see
there
at
the
bottom
and
then
we've
also.
I've
also
included
on
this
slide,
just
the
project
logo
that
was
included
on
the
online
feedback
form.
So,
overall
we
received
feedback
from
34
customers
over
the
course
of
the
pilot
project
who
who
were
essentially
supportive
of
the
barriers.
J
Next
slide,
please
towards
the
the
end
of
the
the
product
testing
period.
You
know,
as
I
mentioned,
you
know,
the
cova
pandemic
had
emerged
as
outlined
in
oc,
transpose
transit
service
recovery
plan
that
was
presented
on
june
1st
at
the
june
1st
2020
transit
commission
meeting.
One
of
the
coveted
measures
included
the
installation
of
temporary
soft
barriers
on
all
oc
transport
buses.
J
This
measure
is
currently
in
place
and
all
those
transport
on
all
oc
transport
buses,
with
the
exception
of
the
12
that
have
the
permanent
barrier,
the
permanent
barriers
will
replace
the
temporary
soft
barriers
to
act
as
that
additional
measure
to
enhance
safety
for
both
operators
and
customers.
Should
this
should
this
be
approved
this
photo
here.
It
shows
the
temporary
vinyl
barrier.
That
was
installed
in
june
as
that
that
temporary
measure
to
prevent
the
spread
of
help
prevent
the
spread
of
kobe
19.
J
J
This
recommendation
is
to
proceed
with
both
types
of
barriers
that
were
tested.
The
extended
glass
version
on
all
bus
models,
except
for
the
nova
bus,
which
would
have
the
standard
glass
and
the
reason
for
the
difference
was
you
know
we.
We
took
the
feedback
from
our
operators
and
on
the
nova
bus.
The
configuration
is
a
little
different,
so
there
was
some.
J
It
is
important
to
note
that
that
this
this
recommendation
does
take
into
consideration
buses
that
will
be
reaching
end
of
service
life
in
2021
those
buses
that
would
be
retired
for
cert
from
service.
These
buses
would
not
be
outfitted
with
the
barrier
further.
It
is
recommended
that
permanent
barriers
included
on
all
future
bus
purchases
of
conventional
buses
and
as
such,
becomes
a
standard
feature
on
all
our
future
bus
purchases.
J
You
know,
as
and
and
as
you
are
aware,
the
budget
will
be
tabled
for
council's
consideration
and
approval.
Should
the
six
million
in
in
capital
funding
be
approved
as
part
of
the
2020
capital
budget.
You
know,
then,
a
competitive
procurement
process
would
follow.
We
work
closely
with
supply
services
through
the
procurement
process
to
establish
you
know
the
supply
of
the
bus
opera
barrier
systems
for
the
fleet
and
to
incorporate
the
feedback
that
we
received
during
the
product
test.
D
J
J
No
it's
it's
around.
I
think
it
you
know,
give
or
take
five
or
ten.
It's
it's
it's
around
there
and
we've
been
seeing
that
consistently
over
over
the
the
past
few
years.
Obviously,
this
year,
there's
it's
going
to
be
a
difference
with
the
reduction
in
ridership,
but
we'll
probably
see
we
are
seeing
a
reduction
in
results,
but
that's
a
reflection
of
the
the
reduced
ridership.
J
D
Because
that's
really
helpful
information
to
know
in
terms
of
when
you're
asking
for
six
million
dollars
for
for
a
barrier,
it's
helpful
information
to
know
exactly
how
many
assaults
have
occurred
and
and
subsequent
to
that
of
that
number,
how
many
of
those
assaults
could
have
been
prevented
by
a
permanent
barrier?
That's
really
important
context.
Do
you
have
do
you
have
that
number
available.
J
No,
I
don't,
but
I
do
know
that
you
know
the
majority
of
the
assaults
occur.
While
the
operator
is
in
the
driver's
seat-
and
you
know
you,
you
see
it
time
and
time
again,
it's
you
know
someone
exiting
the
front
door
or
entering
the
front
door.
They
strike
the
operator
on
the
way
in,
or
you
know,
spitting
incidents
are
are
on
the
rise.
That's
one
of
our
more
common
types
of
assault,
spitting
you
know,
and
then
you
see
things
like
you
know,
throwing
beverages
on
on
our
staff
as
well.
J
D
Right-
and
I
mean
those
are
absolutely
abhorrent
and
shouldn't
happen
to
to
staff
we're
in
complete
agreement
on
that.
The
temporary
barriers
that
are
currently
in
place
on
all
of
our
buses
is
the
result
of
our
of
our
restart
plan.
Those
currently
would
prevent
things
like
spinning
or
or
beverages
being
thrown
on
drivers,
correct
because
they
they
cover
the
whole
area
and
they're
and
they're
plastic,
that
theoretically,
they
would
stop
those
types
of
incidents.
D
C
Correct,
okay,
sure,
if
I,
if
I
could
just
jump
in
commissioner
gilbert,
has
brought
us
to
a
very
important
point.
Actually,
I'm
gonna
correct,
troy
in
his
last
answer.
The
answer
is
no,
it
does
not
and
I'll
tell
you
something,
commissioner.
I
speak
to
just
about
every
single
operator
that
is
assaulted.
I
personally
call
them.
I
spoke
to
an
individual
yesterday
and
the
issue
with
operators,
assaults
and
your
issue
on
the
stats,
and
then
I
apologize.
We
should
have
had
those
numbers
for
you.
C
We
will
absolutely
get
you,
those
numbers,
here's
the
trend
line
that
we
look
for
it's
the
type
of
assault
and
the
outcome
on
the
operator
from
the
assault
the
individual
I
called
yesterday
was
assaulted
a
couple
days
ago.
He
politely
asked
and
a
customer
to
go
ahead
and
put
his
bags
down
it's
important.
I
tell
this
story
because
it
gives
the
context
exactly
where
I
think
you're
bringing
us.
He
tells
the
customer
go
ahead
and
put
your
bags
down
and
then
you
can
come
and
pay
the
customer
refuses
to
pay.
C
He
starts
to
inform
control
that
there's
a
customer,
that's
not
paying,
because
we
train
them.
Not
to
get
into
altercations
the
he
he
warns
the
customer
again
and
says:
sorry,
I
you
know
you
put
your
bags
down
your
grocery
bags,
you
need
to
come
and
pay
and
if
you
don't
it'll,
be
the
consequences.
The
customer
got
up
and
sucker
punched,
the
operator
through
the
vapor
barriers
on
the
side
of
his
head
and
hit
his
eye.
That
operator
is
off.
C
There's
physical
damage
to
him,
but
it's
also
the
mental
damage
that
occurs
to
our
operators
on
female
operators.
We're
seeing
trend
lines
that
I
don't
like
where
they
are
spitting
on
our
female
operators
and
even
worse,
they
are
throwing
hot
coffee
on
them.
I
spoke
to
one
opera
female
operator
that
had
burns
on
her
neck
and
what
happens
is
the
the
the
mental
health
aspect
of
that?
C
Many
of
our
operators
do
not
want
to
return.
They're
psychologically
stressed
from
those
assaults
because
they
come
out
of
nowhere
so
you're
in
a
driver's
seat.
You
have
to
wear
your
seatbelt,
you
have
limited
mobility
and
quite
often
the
type
of
assault
is.
It
comes
in
from
your
blind
spot,
and
so,
while
the
numbers
may
not
be
high,
you
know
100
out
of
3
000
operators,
it's
the
outcomes
of
those
operators
and
there's
many
that
can't
even
come
back
to
work
and
then
there's
the
the
landmark
cases.
C
There's
the
operator
that
got
killed
in
winnipeg
there's
instances
now
of
operators
wanting
to
you
know,
get
involved
in
people
wearing
masks.
There
was
a
massive
melee
in
the
translink
system
two
weeks
ago,
and
you
know
we.
I
spoke
to
one
operator
who
physically
got
out
of
the
bus
which
he
shouldn't
have
done,
and
there
was
weapons
involved
from
a
construction
worker
and
so
forth.
C
So
it's
it's
not
necessarily
the
numbers
which
we
will
absolutely
get
you
it's
the
severity
of
the
incidents
and
what
happens
to
those
operators
and
their
inability
to
return
to
work
and
our
obligation
as
employers,
employers
to
provide
a
safe
work
environment.
So
I
just
share
that
from
a
context
perspective.
We
will
absolutely
get
you,
those
numbers
and
I
think
some
of
those
trends
and
some
of
those
analysis
might
be
helpful
for
commissioners,
if
you
like.
D
I
appreciate
that,
mr
mckinney.
I
appreciate
that
context.
I
appreciate
that
you're
gonna
get
me
the
numbers
in
the
future.
However,
that
context
and
those
numbers
would
have
been
very
helpful
in
the
report,
because
we're
not
being
asked
to
approve
this
report
in
the
in
the
future.
We're
being
asked
to
approve
six
million
dollars
to
go
forward
in
the
budget.
D
You
know
today,
and
so
that
context
you
know
with
respect
to
the
types
of
assaults
and
the
effects
on
mental
health
for
staff
would
have
been
very
helpful
from
a
contextual
perspective
in
the
report
itself
when
we're
being
asked
to
approve.
But
I
I
appreciate
you
sharing
that
information
with
me
and
there
is
no
doubt
that
that
that
those
types
of
assaults
are
life-changing
and
life-altering
for
for
our
operators,
and
we
don't
want
that
to
happen.
So
I
agree
with
you
on
that.
D
C
D
No,
I
understand
that.
Thank
you.
I'll
continue
my
questions
so
the
barriers
that
were
installed
as
part
of
the
pilot
project.
They
were
made
of
plexiglass,
as
I
understand
and
correct
me,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
wrong
and
they're,
based
on
the
pictures,
they're
about
three
and
a
half
to
four
feet
tall
and
maybe
three
to
four
feet:
wide,
give
or
take
some
inches.
So
page,
eight
of
the
report
states
that
the
overall
cost
for
retrofitting
746
buses
of
on
the
fleet
is
6
million.
D
D
J
Yeah,
mr
chair
good
question:
you
know
the
the
price
you
know
these
barriers,
they
do
cost
upwards
of.
You
know.
You
know
I
think
we're
we're
looking
at
we,
you
know
seven
thousand
dollars
per
barrier,
I
mean
it.
We
have
incorporated
the
fact
that
we
we
do
need
to
go
out
to
tender
to
to
get
this
installed,
so
we're
going
by
some
historical
prices
that
we've
received
from
other
properties,
and
you
know
we
also
know
that
you
know
this
is
a.
J
The
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
to
come
forward
later
and
say
you
know
we
we
need
more
money,
so
we
put
forward
a
number
that
we
we
think
you
know
what
will
come
through
when
we
go
through
the
rfp
process.
But
you
know
we
have
to
go
through
that
process,
but
that's
the
feedback.
We've
received
from
other
properties
that
we've
talked
to
you
know
and
that's
the
feedback
we
received
from
vendors
through
the
rfi
process.
D
Hey
thank
you.
You
actually
answered
my
next
question,
which
was
very
helpful.
So
thank
you.
So,
at
the
september
transit
commission
meeting
our
last
mission
meeting,
the
commission
heard
that
our
current
transit
budget
pressures
until
the
end
of
december
2020,
so
the
end
of
this
calendar
year,
123.7
million
less
the
74.98
million
received
from
the
federal
provincial,
safe,
restart
agreement.
D
That
means
that
our
current
transit
budget
pressure
until
the
end
of
this
calendar
year
is
48.72
million
because
of
lower
ridership.
So
at
the
same
meeting
we,
the
transit
commission,
recommended
that
council
approve
capital
funds
and
and
capital
projects
in
the
amount
of
30.78
million
dollars
be
deferred
until
2021
or
later.
D
My
question
is
given
that
our
budget
is
currently
pressured
and
will
likely
remain
that
for
that
way,
for
some
time
due
to
the
cobit
19
pandemic,
we're
in
a
second
wave-
and
we
don't
know
if
there
will
be
a
third
wave
or
when
our
ridership
will
come
back.
What
are
the
impacts
of
postponing
this
project
and
we
have
some
until
we
have
some
more
stability
in
our
finances.
C
C
We
are
where
we
are
and
our
recommendation
to
you
is
before
you
that
you
know
many
agencies
have
gone
this
direction.
Kovit
adds
another
layer
of
it,
you're
going
to
incur
additional
costs
with
those
temporary
barriers
that
are
going
to
have
to
continually
be
replaced
and
reinstalled
as
long
as
covet
is
around
so
there
will
be
financial
implications
also,
but
we're
at
your
at
your
will
in
terms
of
if
you
want
to
approve
it,
it
proceeds.
C
D
C
Well,
you'll
recall:
we.
We
were
the
first
agency
in
canada
to
be
certified
with
the
optic
cleaning
standards
and
maintenance
standards,
and
those
are
simple
rules.
It's
you
have
to
have
a
barrier
of
some
type.
The
difference
here
is
these
will
become
permanent.
Those
temporary
vinyl
barriers,
which
are
you
know,
strung
up
with
velcro
and
fastened
to
the
ceiling,
will
need
to
be
constantly
replaced
and
upgrade
as
long
as
kova
is
around
you.
You
need
a
physical
barrier
between
your
operator
and
the
customers
is.
D
No,
I
I
agree
with
my
point:
was
that
there's
no
real
difference
between
the
two
of
them
when
it
comes
to
the
transmission
of
kova,
there's,
no
proof
that
the
permanent
barriers
are
better
at
keeping
covet
away
from
from
our
drivers.
Great
perfect!
How
much
does
it
cost
to
replace
the
temporary
barriers
per
per
unit.
B
D
D
Thank
you
hundred
dollars
for
a
temporary
barrier
to
be
replaced
versus
over
eight
thousand
dollars
for
a
for
a
permanent
barrier.
My
concerns
are
a
cost
perspective.
I
have
no
disagreement
when
it
comes
to
protecting
our
drivers.
Absolutely
no
disagreement.
I
think
that
anyone
who
assaults
a
transit
driver
should
be
charged
and
it
should
be
punished
for
the
fullest
extent
of
the
law.
These
people
are
providing
a
public
service
that
the
driver
is
not
the
people
committing
assaults.
D
My
kit,
my
issue,
is
that
six
million
dollars
is
being
asked
for
these
barriers
that
are
plexiglas
they're,
costing
over
eight
thousand
dollars
per
unit
for
installation
when
we're
at
a
time
when
our
budget
is
increasingly
pressured.
We
are
about
to,
as
for
reports,
we're
about
to
ask
transit
customers
to
pay
a
lot
more
for
their
transit
passes,
yeah
we're
going
ahead
and
we're
we're
going
ahead
with
a
six
million
dollar
project.
D
We've
deferred
other
projects
until
2021
or
later,
and
my
concern
is-
is
that
we're
not
looking
at
this
project
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
the
entire
holistic
context?
In
terms
of
our
budget,
and
to
be
quite
honest
with
you,
I
agree
that
we
need
to
protect
our
drivers,
but
I
also
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
this
from
a
from
a
fiscal
perspective
and
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
report.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
E
J
J
That
can
go
through
the
entire
bus
speakers,
but
you
know
you
know
it.
It
doesn't
fully
enclose
the
operator.
There
is
openings,
it
doesn't
go
all
the
way
to
the
ceiling
and
it
doesn't
go
right
all
the
way
to
the
the
front
window,
but
you
know
so
some
some
people
did
comment
that
it
was
a
bit
more
of
a
challenge.
But
overall
you
know
the
feedback
was
you
know
it
increases
our
safety
for
us
and
you
know
it
didn't
pose
any
any
issues
in
servicing.
Our
riders.
E
C
So
that's
a
great
question.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
had
an
operator
assaulted
a
few
years
ago
and
he
did
a
work
refusal
which
is
a
legislative
process
for
when
you
have
a
safety
environment
concern.
I
can
tell
you
that
I
believe
in
the
public
reporting
we
spent
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
defending
the
city
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
our
workplace
was
safe
or
not.
C
There
were
serious
concerns
about
what
we're
doing
to
protect
operators
that
was
before
the
trend
increased
in
many
many
agencies
doing
these
barriers,
and
so
there
is
concern
that
you
know
we're
going
to
have
more
work.
Refusals
we've
had
a
few
of
these.
In
this
context,
we've
had
many
operators
that
do
get
assaulted,
refusing
to
come
back
to
work,
and
so
there
is
some
exposure
to
that.
C
But
I
want
to
emphasize
from
my
perspective,
I'm
not
looking
through
it
from
a
financial
lens,
because
it's
a
very
difficult
challenge
to
put
a
price
on
safety,
and
I'm
not
suggesting
anybody's
doing
that.
I'm
just
saying
it's
it's
part
of
the
equation,
but
with
safety
you
know
your
first
thing
is:
do
you
know?
Do
you
have
to
do
the
activity
in
this
case?
Yes,
you
do.
The
second
thing
you
try
to
do.
Is
you
try
to
engineer
it?
C
So
it's
a
better
environment
which
is
what
safety
shields
are
and
then
the
last
thing
is
ppe.
So
you
know
there
are
operators
that
were
asking
for
protective,
vests
and
and
and
helmets
and
so
forth,
due
to
assaults,
and
so
there
is
some
exposure
to
the
city
in
terms
of
work
refusals
and
then
legal
battles
in
in
terms
of
getting
people
back
to
work
and
so
forth.
M
Thank
you
chair.
I
do
believe
the
employer,
as,
as
you
know,
a
former
federal
government's
co-chair
for
health
and
safety
for
5
500
employees.
The
employer
absolutely
has
an
obligation
to
provide
a
safe
and
healthy
workplace,
and
so
oc
transfer
has
an
obligation
to
try
and
mitigate
this.
As
best
we
can,
but
counselor
gower.
There
have
probably
been
assaults
on
oc
transpo
drivers
going
back
150
years.
M
M
I
think
it's
very
expensive,
and
I
also
don't
believe
that
the
the
flimsy
sheet
of
soft
plastic
is
a
long-term
solution.
It
is
not.
It
is
not
a
long-term
solution.
So
part
two
of
the
motion,
mr
chairs,
is
that
these
permanent
barriers
become
part
of
our
our
new
bus
purchase.
I
will
absolutely
support
that.
I
think
going
forward
all
new
buses
that
oc
transpo
purchases
needs
to
have
the
permanent
barrier.
M
The
challenge
is:
do
you
want
to
spend
6
million
dollars?
Now?
Is
the
problem
so
severe
that
we
want
to
put
out
6
million,
knowing
that
our
capital
budget
is
competing
against
other
capital
priorities
in
the
system?
We've
just
delayed
and
deferred
items
from
2020,
our
staff
have
been
scrimping
and
saving
all
year.
2021
will
be
likely
the
same
that
there
will
be
other
capital
projects
deferred
because
we're
trying
to
save
money,
and
so
I
to
staff.
I
say:
please
find
the
best
quote.
M
If
this
passes,
please
find
the
best
quote
possible,
but
is
there
any
way
that
we
can
strike
a
balance,
and
you
talked
about
buses
that
are
going
to
be
retiring
in
2021
will
not
be
outfitted?
I
appreciate
that
good
is
there?
Perhaps
you
know
the
next
round
of
buses.
If
it's
coming
soon
that
we
can,
you
know
avoid
that
that
expenditure
for
those
buses
are
their
buses
retiring
in
2023
2025.
C
What
standard
do
we
equip
them
to
and
have
that
dialogue
with
in
terms
of
how
we
can
drive
down
unit
costs,
life
cycle
costs
and
so
forth?
I
mean
we
do
a
great
job
right
now,
but
there's
always
opportunities.
We
are
talking
to
every
vendor
to
come
in
lean
and
mean
in
terms
of
price
point
and
so
forth.
C
M
M
Not
just
this,
because
I
think
this
has
merit,
but
I
don't
know
where
this
ranks
against
other
capital
priorities
that
will
be
in
your
budget
and
will
not
be
in
your
budget
and
the
only
way
to
have
that
conversation,
because
we
can't
do
that
today
is
to
defer
this
a
month
literally
a
month
to
the
budget
process.
Would
you
be
comfortable
with
that,
or
are
you
under
some
sort
of
time
pressure
that
this
must
be
approved
today.
C
No,
it's
the
the
connection
points
well,
a
couple
things:
you're
you're,
proving
the
go
ahead
subject
to
to
budget
so
you'll
have
another
kick
at
it
in
terms
of.
We
will
not
proceed
until
you
approve
that.
So
if
we
get
the
budget
and
on
the
capital
piece,
you
don't
like
what
you
see
there,
you
can
take
this
and
lift
it
out
of
the
budget.
You
can
remove
this
six
million
dollar
line
item
so
you'll
have
that
opportunity.
C
C
But
again,
if,
if
committee
defers
it
it
gets
deferred,
you
know
there's
been
asked
for
some
additional
stats
that
we
should
have
had
today
and
again
I
apologize
for
that,
but
you
will
have
another
opportunity
at
budget
to
do
that
or
you
could
defer
the
whole
project
into
next
year.
As
subject
to
the
future
budget
cycles,
is
the
other
approach.
M
M
Okay,
I
really
appreciate
the
report
that
explains
to
us.
It
gives
us
some
time
outside
of
the
budget
process
to
understand
it.
Like
I
said
I
will
definitely
be
supporting
part
two
of
the
motion.
I'm
gonna
hear
my
colleagues
speak
first,
mr
chair,
I
do
think
there's
merit
in
deferring
part
one
of
this
motion
literally
one
month
to
the
budget
process.
Just
so
we
can
have
an
understanding
of
what
the
competing
capital
priorities
are,
because
I
wouldn't
want
this
to
fail
today
outside
of
that
budget
discussion.
So
one.
M
I
just
wanted
to
raise
that
with
you
again.
We
have
an
obligation
to
provide
a
safe
and
healthy
work
environment
for
our
employees.
I
believe
all
new
bus
builds
should
have
this
infrastructure
in
it.
I'm
just
trying
to
mitigate
that
six
million
dollar
price
tag
when
we
have
an
infinite
number
of
of
budget
pressures
at
this
time.
So
thanks
for.
C
Chair,
if
I
could,
if
I
could
just
add,
because
the
counselor
brings
up
some
very
good
points,
the
the
thing
on
the
report
also
is
you
know
many
of
you
have
been
clear,
no
surprises
at
budget.
You
don't
walk
things
on
as
a
new
light
items,
because
you
can't
make
policy
decisions
at
budget,
so
I
I
defer
to
the
clerk
counselor.
You
may
want
to
get
some
advice
from
caitlyn
or
or
chris
or
other
clerk
staff
in
terms
of
if
you're
gonna
defer
a
portion
of
it.
C
G
G
F
F
I
firmly
believe
especially
hearing
the
story
from
mr
manconi
earlier.
That
is,
it
is
a
must-have
and
if
it's
a
must-have
then
I
think
we
have
to
do
the
entire
fleet.
We
can't
you
know
just
do
half
the
fleet
or
have
some
of
them
with
soft
barrier
and
some
of
them
with
hard
barrier,
because
what
is
that
saying
to
our
operators?
F
F
So
I'm
going
to
focus
my
questions
particularly
on
you
know,
making
sure
we've
got
the
right
barrier
and
we're
choosing
the
right
product,
and
I
appreciate
that
there
will
be
an
rfp
that
goes
out
and
we'll
have
a
chance
to
consider
the
others.
But
the
report
specifically
talks
about
the
aero,
global
and
stow
operator,
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
First
now
I'll
have
some
more
questions.
C
J
Yes,
mr
chair,
so
when
we
went
through
the
the
rfi
process,
we
had
some
very
general
sort
of
qualifications
that
we
were
looking
for,
and
you
know
we
we
wanted
it
to
obviously
be
a
physical
barrier.
We
wanted
it
to.
You
know
to
block
off
access
to
the
operators
area.
We
don't.
It
can't
create
any
sort
of
visual
impediments
for
the
operators
safe
operation
of
the
bus,
so
they
need
to
be
able
to
look
at
the
rear
view
mirrors
and
have
a
clear
view
to
the
right.
J
So
those
are
all
things
that
we
made
sure
that
we
incorporated,
but
as
well.
We
you
know
we,
you
know
you
have
to
make
sure
that
you
know
it's
easily
accessible
for
the
the
operator
they
can
get
in
and
out
without
without
any
sort
of
hindrances.
If
there's
an
emergency,
they
need
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
exit
the
bus
real
quickly.
You
know-
and
you
know
as
well,
you
know
we
did
look
at
that.
You
know.
J
Communication
piece
with
our
customers
was
was
another
factor,
so
we
looked
at
all
those
things,
but
in
addition
to
that,
you
know
we
are
reaching
out
to
our
industry
partners
and
and
looking
at
what
models
they're
using
who
they're
going
with.
And
although
there
are
you
know
a
few,
there
are
several
operator
barrier
types
out
there.
You
know
this
is
one
of
the
more
prevalent
ones
that
more
and
more
properties
tend
to
be
using
and
and
have
good
experience
with.
J
So
we
went
through
the
rfi
process
and
the
arrow
glow
and
solo
was
one
that
was
the
one
that
met
our
criteria
so
yeah.
We
think
that
we,
we
have
a
good
concept
and
a
good
model
we'd
have
to
go
through.
You
know
there
are
some
areas
in
which
we
want
them
to
look
at
improvements,
but
we
would
go
through
the
rfp
process
and
when
we
go
through
that
we're
going
to
update
our
requirements,
you
know
you
know
the
one
that
I
shared
was
the
rattling
noise.
J
J
I
think
it
does
what
it
what
what
it's
intended
to
do,
and
you
know
it
seems
like
it's
a
it's
a
good
solution,
but
when
we
go
through
the
rfp
we'll
see
who
we'll
see
what
companies
you
know
submit
a
bid
and-
and
you
know
we'll-
obviously
see
the
financials
at
that
point,
and
but
you
know
how
closely
it
is
aligned
to.
You
know
what
we,
what
we've
tested
for
the
past
12.
F
J
You
know
there
are,
there
are
quite
a
few
properties
that
are
using
the
same
barriers,
ours
and
but
there
are,
there
are
different
ones,
and
you
know
some
properties
have
even
and
gone
as
far
as
to
manufacture
their
own
in-house.
You
know
we
wanted
to
go
with
something
that
was.
You
know,
industry
approved
that
that's
been
vetted.
I
mean
that
we
know
that
other
properties
are
using,
that
we
can
get
some
experience
on
so
there
are.
There
are
some.
F
Okay,
yeah,
because
I
mean
the
rattling
is
a
concern.
If
we
have
to
you,
know
extra
secure,
stabilize
that
that's
probably
just
more
cost
down
the
road
so
yeah.
Hopefully
we
we
have
a
more
substantive
discussion.
I
guess
around
which
barrier
we
choose
when
the
time
comes,
or
is
that
something
that
will
be
delegated
to
you
guys.
F
Okay
question
about
the
working
group
evaluation:
were
they
given
a
choice
between,
or
was
there
ever
a
choice
between
the
current
soft
barrier
and
compared
to
the
hard
barrier
or
the
the
new
one
you're
proposing,
or
was
it
strictly
to
evaluate
the
hard
barrier
without
referencing?
The
other
alternative.
J
Mr
chair,
the
working
group
was
established
pre-covered,
so
their
their.
Their
focus
was
on.
You
know,
assessing
the
heart
barrier,
but
you
know
towards
the
end
of
that
that
12-month
product
test,
you
know,
kobe,
came
in
and
we
installed
the
soft
barrier,
but
all
along.
We
knew
that
that
soft
barrier
wasn't
wasn't.
A
permanent
solution
is
very
temporary
in
nature,
and
you
know
it
it
because
it
is
a
soft
barrier.
It
wouldn't
prevent
the
you
know
the
majority
of
types
of
salts
that
we're
seeing
on
our
operators.
F
B
Chair,
I
could
take
that
question
the
the
barriers,
depending
on
the
productivity,
the
production
schedule
of
the
of
the
manufacturer
and
the
one
the
manager
awards.
We
are
looking
at
installing
approximately
three
a
week.
That
would
be
the
supply
based
on
the
conversations
we've
had
with
new
flyer,
who
is
the
aero
distributor,
canadian
distributor?
We
are
we're
looking
at
a
supply
chain
of
about
three
a
week
of
installations,
so
we.
B
We
would
be
able
to
make
sure
everything
meets
them
at
the
spec
and
and
meets
the
requirements,
and
we
would
we
would
start
right
away
as
soon
as
that
was
awarded.
So
at
first
it'd
be
pending
budget
approval
and
then
would
be
put
out
for
tender,
and
once
it
was
once
it
was
done,
we'd
be
starting
very
early
in
the
new
year
q1
of
2021.
If
it
went
through.
F
B
Chair,
I
could
take
that
question
the
though
we've
reviewed
the
pair
of
buses
they're
a
different
configuration,
a
different
application,
node
shields
have
been
have
been
recommended
at
this
point
or
or
made
available.
We
did
try
a
temporary
shield
up
similar
to
what
we
have
in
our
conventional
buses,
but
it
didn't
seem
to
it
didn't,
seem
to
work
out
as
quite
as
well
as
it
has
on
the
conventional
buses.
So
at
this
point
in
time,
there's
no
shields
for
being
proposed
for
pera.
F
Okay
thanks,
I
guess
I'll
just
conclude
by
saying
that
I
was
initially
concerned
by
the
sort
of
six
million
dollar
sticker,
but
I'm
convinced
this
is
a
safety
thing
and
I
think
we
should
be
doing
everything
we
can
to
protect
our
riders
and
I'm
glad
to
see
there
is
a
plan
in
place,
and
I
hope
my
colleagues
support
this
as
I
will
be.
Thank
you.
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
to
my
colleagues
for
their
questions.
I
I
just
I'm
just
looking
at
it,
so
primarily
this.
This
has
started
out
as
a
barriers
for
for
protection
against
assaults,
but
it's
evolved
into
covet
and
is
that
so
that's
that's
the
gist
of
it
that
they
now
have
a
double
double
duty,
as
it
were
that
we
were
planning
this
all
along.
J
J
That
was
the
the
main
reason
and
the
rationale
for
moving
forward
with
the
product
testing
but
yeah,
while
during
the
product
testing
there
is
another
added
benefit
to
it
in
that
it
does
create
that
physical
separation
between
an
operator
and
a
customer
similar
to
that
soft
barrier
which
allowed
us
to
go
back
to
you,
know
front
door
boarding.
So
it
it's
evolved.
Yes,
long
story,
short
you're,
correct.
A
They
have
guidance
for
public
transit
agencies
and
passengers
in
response
to
covet
19
about
best
practices
for
transit
agencies
and
passengers,
and
I
expect
counselor
ralph
brockington
is
that
it
might
be
interested
in,
if
he's
probably
already
aware,
but
I
couldn't
help
but
wonder
if
they're
giving
these
guidelines,
if
there
should
be
some
some
compensation
specifically
for
this,
because
they're
obviously
wanting
transit
to
be
used
and
they're
wanting
drivers
to
be
protected.
It's
it
makes
it
pretty
clear
in
the
in
the
report.
A
That's
a
great
point
yeah!
Well,
I
I
see
that
it's
it's
meant
to
be
to
get
the
economy
going
and
and
it's
signed
by
carolyn,
caroline
mulrooney.
Perhaps
amo
can
look
into
it
I'll
I'll
I'll,
post
that
to
counselor
brockington,
but
if
they're
giving
these
guidances
and
it
talks
about
the
shields
et
cetera
and
other
things.
A
Perhaps
there
should
be
some
some
incentive
to
help
us
out
because,
clearly
you
know
health
is
regulated
by
the
province
as
well
as-
and
this
is
a
report
about
making
transit
safe.
So
I
I
think
it
should
be
at
least
looked
at
so
that
we're
looking
at
you
know
all
options
before
the
budget,
because
it's
very
specific
and
I
like
to
see
it
to
be
looked
at
and
and
find
out
what
the
options
are
on.
That.
C
Counselor,
absolutely
and
again,
when
you
see
the
budget
tabling
we're,
segregating,
covet
costs
on
the
o
m
side
and
we're
happy
to
do
that
on
the
capital
for
exactly
what
counselor
kavanaugh
is
suggesting.
So,
yes,
we'll.
I
will
certainly
look
back
to
the
treasurer
and
do
exactly
what
the
counselor
is
asking.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
to
colleagues
and
and
john
and
team
for
the
responses.
I
think
it's
creates
a
lot
of
the
the
reality
that,
as
we
operate,
almost
24,
24,
7
and
obviously
365
days
a
year.
There
are
risks
outside
of
the
traditional
hours
that
we
need
to
be
cognizant
of
in
terms
of
driver
safety.
John
you
and
I
had
a
brief
conversation
yesterday
as
it
relates
to
how
to
find
the
right
spot
between
you
know.
E
So
how
do
we
manage
the
customer
experience
customer
protection
because
there's
a
lot
of
vulnerability
and
and
the
expectation
of
drivers
while
protecting
their
safety
in
in
a
very
vulnerable
seat
right
where
you're
sitting
facing
the
front
focused
on
the
road
and
on
the
bus
experience
and
as
you
described
with
the
coffee
incidents
or
others
that
have
happened,
you
know
those
are
are
come
out
of
nowhere,
so
the
shields
do
have
a
role
there.
Maybe
if
you
could
comment
on
that.
C
Certainly
chair
counselor,
the
the
function
of
the
bus
operator
is
to
ensure
the
safety
of
everybody
on
board
that
vehicle
and
there's
a
number
of
measures
that
that
are
on
council
approved
last
term,
the
enhanced
cameras.
So
we
we
didn't
used
to
have
cameras
on
our
buses.
We
do
now
which
protects
the
the
customers
and
the
operators
and
there's
been
some
some
great
work
that
has
helped
us
get
people
that
are
doing
some
things
on
our
vehicles
that
they
shouldn't
be
doing
and
our
trains.
C
Those
of
you
that
have
been
in
the
control
room
there's
a
number
of
electronic
features
that
are
at
his
or
her
disposal,
including
silent
alarms,
the
cad
system,
cad
avl
system
that
deploys
resources
depending
on
the
the
incidents
that
are
underway
and
the
example
I
used
the
other
day
of
the
operator
getting
assaulted,
he
actually
contacted
control.
So
there
was
a
support
on
route.
The
job
of
the
operator
is
to
ensure
the
vehicle
is
being
driven
safely
and
to
protect
everybody
on
that
bus.
C
There
are
barriers
in
the
industry
that
fully
enclose
the
cab.
That's
not
what's
been
typically
happening
in
canadian
jurisdictions.
In
particular,
there's
been
some
bad
reports
both
for
the
operator
and
the
customers,
where
you
have
a
fully
enclosed
cab
takes
longer
to
get
out,
and
then
the
operator
can
actually
get
stuck
in
there
if
there's,
firecrackers
and
so
forth,
being
thrown
onto
the
operators.
So
to
counsel
fleury's
point,
that
operator
needs
to
be
able
to
do
what
they're
there
to
do
drive
safely
and
then
also
take
care
of
all
the
passengers
on
the
vehicle.
E
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
a
couple
of
items
that
have
come
up
since
I
last
asked
questions.
I
agree
with
councillor
brockington
that
you
know
future
buses
that
we
order
should
absolutely
have
these
barriers
installed
when
we
order
them,
and
hopefully
they
won't
cost
eight
thousand
dollars
each
at
that
time.
But
I
do
have
a
question
it
was
mentioned
by
one
of
my
colleagues
about
manufacturing
and
house
was
any
thought
given
to
manufacturing
these
these
pieces
in-house.
B
Sure
I
can
chair,
I
can
look
at
that
answer
that
question
the
the
the
design
of
the
the
design
of
the
the
shield
itself
with
the
door
and
the
and
the
glass
it
wasn't
feasible
to
manufacture
it
in
the
house.
So
it
wasn't
it
just.
We
were
able
to
manufacture
temporary
shields,
but
in
this
application
with
the
permanent
shield,
it
wasn't
feasible.
D
The
installation
rate
for
these
shields
would
be
three
barriers
installed
per
week.
So
if
we
do
the
math
on
that
three
barriers
installed
per
week
of
746
buses
equals
248
weeks,
which
is
the
equivalent
of
4.75
years
to
get
all
of
these
installed.
So
my
question
is:
why
are
we
budgeting
six
million
dollars
in
this
budget
and
obviously
that's
a
budget
discussion?
But
but
it
is
relevant
to
this
discussion
as
well
into
the
decision
that
we
have
to
make.
D
B
Yes
is
chair,
I
can,
I
may
have
caused
some
confusion.
Our
initial
conversations
with
the
manufacturer
that
provided
us,
the
pilot
project,
had
mentioned
three
three
ship
per
week.
Three
three
to
ten.
I
strongly
believe
that
we
would
be
averaging
about
20
shields
installed
a
week,
so
that
would
greatly
reduce
it
down.
You
are
correct.
It
would
be
over
a
period
of
four
years,
but
at
20
installed
a
week.
I
think
we'd
be
in
around
30
34
35
weeks.
D
Right
that
would
be
your
target,
but
until
we
actually
choose
a
manufacturer
and
a
company,
we
don't
actually
know
how
many
how
many
barriers
could
be
shipped
to
us
per
week
and
then,
of
course,
there's
the
the
issue
of
the
logistics
of
taking
these
buses
out
of
service
for
a
specific
amount
of
time
in
order
to
install
them.
So
we
don't
actually
know
how
many
buses,
how
many
barriers
we
can
install
per
week,
and
it
is
possible
that
this
could
stretch
over
a
number
of
years.
C
So,
chair
chair,
I
can
assure
you
we
are
not
going
to
stretch
this
over
the
cost
over
over
more
than
one
year.
We
need
the
full
six
million
dollars.
I
can
tell
you
new
flyer:
we
have
hundreds
of
their
buses
if
they're
the
proponent
or
the
other
firms
they're
all
itching
to
get
our
business
we
need
to.
If
we
go
with
this,
the
full
six
million
dollars
gets
you
the
full
buying
power
to
get
the
best
unit
price
down,
irrespective
of
how
long
it
takes.
C
But
I
can
assure
the
commissioner
there
is
no
way
we're
dragging
this
out
longer
than
a
year
to
get
these
barriers
up.
It's
an
it's
a.
I
wouldn't
be
here,
asking
you
the
funds.
If
that's
the
case,
I
think
respectfully
we're
doing
some
math
on
the
fly
here
and
and
again,
the
position
is
is
that
we
need
the
full
funding
to
get
all
of
the
fleet
equipped
a
lot.
C
We
did
consider
partial
fleet
installs
as
a
strategy
to
soften
the
costs
and
the
the
group
and
the
union
leadership
and
myself
are
saying
who
gets
to
decide
which
bus
is
safer
than
the
other,
and
so
jim's
mission
is
going
to
be
forget
a
year,
equip
them
as
quickly
as
possible,
and
so
it's
under
a
year
is
his
mission.
So
three
a
week
twenty
a
week,
those
are
just
numbers
that
are
that
jim
is
putting
out
in
the
table.
The
mission
is
get
it
done
as
quickly
as
possible.
D
Right
and
I
and
I
understand
that,
but
with
respect
the
math
that
is
being
done
on
the
fly
by
myself-
and
I
will
admit
to
using
a
calculator-
is
being
done
based
on
answers
that
are
being
provided
by
staff,
and
this
is
information
that
is
again
not
included
in
the
report
that
was
provided
to
this
commission
so
that
we
can
make
a
decision.
So
I
will
restate
my
previous
point,
but
it's
really
important,
that
we
have
all
the
information
in
front
of
us,
contextual
information,
comparison
information,
how
many
barriers
could
be
installed
per
week?
D
D
One
context
is
the
protection
of
drivers
against
assault
and
the
separate
context,
which
seems
to
be
a
bit
of
an
afterthought,
is
in
the
covid
context,
and
so
in
this
discussion
and
in
in
in
the
report,
we've
heard
that
the
soft
barriers,
the
temporary
barriers,
which
cost
approximately
three
hundred
dollars
to
to
replace
they,
go
all
the
way
to
the
ceiling
right.
Whereas
the
permanent
barriers
do
not
there
is,
there
is
space
near
the
windshield.
There
is
space
between
the
barrier
and
the
ceiling
of
the
bus,
so
I
think
it
makes.
C
C
If
we
could
just
my
recommendation
is
the
following
park:
the
cobit
piece
that
was
just
another
bolt-on.
We
would
be
here
before
you,
we
have
our
staff.
The
question
before
you
is:
we
have
our
staff
that
are
being
assaulted.
Other
agencies
are
doing
this.
We
believe
as
staff.
The
recommendation
is
to
prevent
assaults
put
in
these
barriers.
C
The
cost
is
six
million
dollars,
based
on
all
the
research
we've
done
to
equip
the
entire
fleet.
The
covid
is
another
dimension
that
has
crept
into
this
and
there
is
no
scientific
evidence.
As
you
know,
covets
changing
every
day
about
which
barrier
is
better
than
other.
We
just
know.
As
counselor
kavanaugh
pointed
out,
there
should
be
a
barrier
between
operator
and
customers.
We
even
went
a
step
further.
They
have
mandatory
masks,
so
the
covet
is
just
another
dimension
that
is
creeped
into
this.
D
That
is
the
point
that
I
am
making
that
this
is
two
separate
contexts,
and
you
know
again
I
apologize
for
doing
math
on
the
fly,
but
without
actual
information
being
provided
to
me,
I'm
having
to
sort
of
you
know,
find
information
and
and
glean
information
from
the
discussions
and
then
make
some
conclusions
in
terms
of
missing
information
from
the
report.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Those
are
my
questions.
G
C
G
We'll
be
in
there,
okay,
I
I
think
commissioners,
I'm
going
to
support
this
motion.
I
hope
you
will
as
well,
because
I
think
we
have
to
protect
our
employees.
We
have
an
obligation
to
our
employees
for
to
protect
them.
We
also
have
an
obligation
to
taxpayers
to
keep
our
liability
as
low
as
possible
and
take
whatever
steps
we
can
here
to
do
that
and-
and
this
motion
helps
in
both
those
cases.
G
That's
a
great
idea,
but
if
you
want
to
look
at
where
you're
going
to
save
some
money,
I
would
sooner
invest
in
protection
of
our
employees
and
our
ridership
than
hanging
pictures.
So
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
get
support
for
this
motion
as
it
is
today
and
give
the
policy
direction
to
go
forward
with
the
shields,
get
the
process
underway
and
then,
in
november
december.
I
guess
for
the
final
vote
for
the
budget
that
this
gets
approved
so
see
no
other.
A
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
yeah.
It
is
counselor
me
and
I've
been
following
this
discussion
with
great
interest.
One
of
the
questions
that
I
have
and
just
let
me
say
I
think
it's
important
to
protect
our
drivers,
but
at
this
particular
time
that
we're
dealing
we're
providing
transit
in
a
time
of
colbit
and
certainly
a
real
drop
in
ridership.
A
So
I'm
thinking
when
we
retrofit,
when
we
put
in
the
barriers
that
if
we
in
fact
do
this-
and
I
think
we
probably
will-
are
we
going
to
be
putting
them
on
buses
that
we
may
no
longer
need
I'm
thinking
we
might
have
to
have
smaller
buses
on
some
of
these
routes.
So
I'm
wondering
if
we
put
the
cart
before
the
horse,
we'll
be
looking
at
ways
to
alter
our
the
delivery
of
our
service
and
will
these-
and
are
we
doing
this
too
fast?
A
C
You
would
start
to
drop
off
the
older
vehicles,
especially
if
we're
going
to
get
into
different
size
of
buses,
so
30
footers,
rather
than
40
footers
for
suburban
services
and
so
forth.
So
those
would
come
out
in
the
back
end
of
the
staging
of
the
retrofits
on
on
these
piece.
So
we'll
know
by
by
mid-summer,
if
you're
going
to
be
going
down
the
route,
the
the
path
of
service
reductions
in
the
future
years,
if
we
don't
get
that
funding
gap
closed
off
and
again,
you'll
hear
all
that
during
the
tabling
of
the
exercise.
C
A
C
You
may
have
some
of
that,
because
we
want
to
equip
all
of
them
as
quickly
as
possible,
but
if
you're
going
to
get
into
a
process
of
service
changes
and
acquiring
new
buses
new
bus
types,
it
takes
over
a
year
to
get
a
new
bus,
so
you're
you're
a
couple
of
years
away
before
you
get
into
a
different
bus
style.
Configuration
is
my
point.
N
C
N
It
I
just
that
just
seems
very
high
to
me.
I
I
know
there's
been
a
couple
other
questions
around
this,
but
just
you
know
I
want
to
make
sure
our
drivers
are
protected
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
they've
got
the
right
equipment
in
there
and
we
need
to
to,
I
think,
be
moving
on
this
in
some
way.
But
I
I
just
in
terms
of
the
the
cost
per
equipment,
it
seems
very
high.
It's
a
plexiglas
solution.
C
Yes,
counselor,
if
I
may
it's
a
it's,
not
just
the
material
cost
also,
but
it's
also
they.
They
all
have
to
meet
standards,
to
be
able
to
fit
onto
certain
bus
types
for
mto
rules
and
for
the
federal
rules
for
guidelines
and
so
forth,
so
they're
very,
very
robust
pieces
of
equipment.
And
if
anybody
wants
to
see
one
before
budget,
I'm
happy
to
get,
we
can
arrange
to
have
one
come
and
meet
you
somewhere
and
you
can
take
a
look
at
it
firsthand
it's.
N
N
Yeah,
okay,
very
good,
that's
helpful
and
the
last
question
I
have
just
around
the
buses
that
go
out
of
service,
given
the
material
cost
it
can,
can
they
be?
Can
we
use
this
new
material,
we'll
be
putting
on
buses
for
maybe
that'll
go
out
of
service
in
a
few
years?
Can
that
be
replaced
and
used
again
for
other
buses,
maybe
other
buses
that
we
still
have
that
we
want
to
put
back
in
commission
one
day
I
mean?
Is
that
possible
or
what
happens
in
that
case?
Just
in
general.
C
But
you're
on
youtube,
sorry,
depending
on
the
model
of
the
year
and
the
make
so
a
nova
bus,
that's
within
a
year
or
so
perhaps
it
can
be
transferred
from
one
model
to
another,
but
it's
very
model
specific
in
terms
of
the
the
stanchions
and
so
forth.
So
if
there
is
reusability
we
we
we
pride
ourselves
in
recycling
as
much
as
possible.
So
if
we
can,
we
will
do
that.
Okay,.
C
G
All
right,
we
have
a
request
here
from
counselor
brockington
to
basically
divide
the
motion,
I'd
like
some
advice
from
the
clerk's
office,
because
basically,
what
we
would
do
is
have
one
vote
to
say
that
we
want
to
have
the
permanent
barriers
included
in
the
future
purchases
of
oc,
transpo,
conventional
buses
and
a
second
vote
to
say
that
we
want
to
provide
barriers
and
protection
for
everybody
on
the
existing
fleet.
Based
on
what's
recommended
in
this
report
to
the
clerk.
Can
we
do
that
or
is
that
a
substantial
change
to
this
report.
G
Okay,
then,
let's
go
ahead
with
the
vote
on.
Let's
do
reverse
the
order
here.
We'll
do
it
in
two
to
make
sure
that
the
policy
itself
is
supported,
so
we'll
vote
on
number
two
first,
which
is
that
permanent
barriers
be
included
in
future
purchases
of
oc
transpo
conventional
buses.
Can
we
get
yeas
and
nays
on
that?
Please.
F
J
M
H
K
J
B
E
H
G
F
F
H
H
D
D
G
E
J
B
Chair
then,
I
have
a
motion
if
I
yes,
if
I
might,
that
pursuant
to
subsection
89
3
of
the
procedure,
bylaw
being
bylaw
number
2019-8,
the
transit
commission
approved
that
the
rules
of
procedure
be
suspended
to
allow
for
the
consideration
of
the
item
listed
as
information
previously
distributed.
Update
on
electric
bus
procurement.
G
I
I
heard
at
finance
and
economic
development
committee
direction
to
staff
provided
by
laura
dudas
previously
asking
for
options
to
be
moved
forward.
That
would
help
save
us
money
and
with
regard
to
electric
buses,
it
is
clear
that
using
more
of
them
in
ottawa
would
save
the
city
actually
quite
a
lot
of
money.
I
So
what
I
wanted
to
do
today
in
response
to
the
memo
that
was
circulated
to
transit
commission
members,
is
to
urge
the
transit
commission
to
add
more
buses
to
the
electric
bus
pilot
project
dependent
on
funding
from
the
federal
infrastructure
fund,
specifically
designed
to
help
municipalities.
Do
that,
so
other
cities
we
know,
are
buying
dozens
of
electric
buses
and
getting
them
on
the
road
in
toronto.
It's
my
understanding.
They
now
have
60
electric
buses
on
the
road
ottawa
at
the
moment
is
proceeding
with
a
two
bus
pilot
project.
E
I
So
I
don't
know
how
much
time
I
have
left,
but
I
just
wanted
to
end
by
saying
that
you
know
we're
pleased
that
the
city
has
taken
an
initial
first
step
to
do
a
two
bus
electorate,
bus
pilot,
but
there's
money
on
the
table
right
now.
Tens
of
millions
of
dollars
that
the
federal
government
has
committed
to.
We
should
not
miss
that
opportunity
and
we
should
expand
the
pilot
to
include
more
buses
and
we
should
be
asking
for
as
much
of
that.
1.5
billion
dollars
as
as
possible.
G
C
Yes,
absolutely
and
mr
haashee
points
to
the
infrastructure
bank
program
which
I'm
happy
to
share
with
commission.
They
have
met
with
us
on
numerous
occasions
and
I
want
to
commend
them
for
what
they've
done.
They
have
brought
forward
what
I
can
describe
as
the
most
comprehensive
analysis
and
strategy
on
potential
funding
in
this
space
and
what
I
really
like
about
it
is
it.
It
separates
the
the
important
key
drivers
of
how
you
make
this
decision
and
I'll
be
very
candid.
C
I'm
not
worried
about
the
technology,
as
I've
said
before,
and
scaling
up
scaling
down
those
all
those
things
can
be
sorted
out.
What
I
really
like
about
the
infrastructure
bank,
which
I
can
tell
you
if
they
respond
back
to
us
in
two
of
the
issues
that
I've
shared
with
them.
We
are
absolutely,
as
my
memo
said,
we
are
going
for
any
and
all
money
funds
to
accelerate
into
the
alternate
propulsion
fuel
business,
and
the
only
thing
we
need
to
bring
back
is
what
the
motion
spoke
about,
which
is
a
comprehensive
report.
C
What
the
infrastructure
bank
proposal
does
is
it
provides
funds
in
a
very
structured
fashion
that
if
your
dividends
are
reached
on
the
reported
savings
and
the
incremental
costs
of
these
this
technology,
they
will
fund
you
that
delta
and
you
pay
it
back
over
the
life
cycle
of
the
vehicle.
It's
a
very
interesting
proposal.
C
They've
done
a
very
good
job
of
understanding,
the
technical
issues
and
it
really
what
it
boils
down
to
on
whether
it's
e-busses
or
cng
or
hydrogen.
It's
the
delta
of
the
cost
of
the
bus
and
on
high
capacity
high
range
vehicles
is
four
to
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
which
they
put
in
black
and
white.
C
C
The
challenge
is,
and
they
were,
they
really
enjoyed
our
numerous
meetings
that
we've
had
because
we're
actively
engaged
in
the
technical
and
the
financial
there's
two
missing
building
blocks
the
funding
of
the
transition
on
the
o
m
side.
Those
are
high
operating
and
maintenance
costs
in
turning
from
a
predominantly
diesel
environment.
You
know:
we've
got
800
buses,
garage,
fit
ups,
training
of
employees,
maintenance,
changing
of
tools
and
so
forth,
no
different
than
when
we
went
to
double
decker
buses.
C
I
believe
we
spent
30
million
dollars
in
fit
ups
and
training,
new
types
of
technology,
hoists
and
so
forth.
So
they
were
very
captive
and
responsive
to.
Oh,
that's,
a
building
block
we
hadn't
thought
about.
Will
they
fund
that
delta,
because
that
can
add
up
very
quickly?
The
second
piece-
and
this
is
the
a
government
policy
piece
at
the
federal
level
level.
So
it's
referred
to
stacking
rules
and
what
that
means
is.
You
are
not
allowed
right
now
to
be
funded
from
the
federal
government
from
one
program
and
apply
another
funding
source
onto
it.
C
C
The
delta,
the
transit
of
the
transition
costs
need
to
be
addressed
because
that'll
throw
your
business
case
out
the
window
and
then
and
then
the
last
piece
is
what
does
that
term
sheet?
Look
like
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
have
future
councils
stuck
with
vehicles
that
don't
pay
back
the
dividends,
which
is
what
happened
with
your
150
hybrid
vehicles.
C
You
were
funded
on
the
capital,
but
the
long-term
view
of
the
o
m
was
not
captured
and,
as
you
know,
you
paid
heavy
heavy
pre
premiums
and
you
didn't
save
on
the
fuels.
They
were
old,
age,
batteries
and
so
forth.
So
to
to
mr
hashes
point:
absolutely
we're
engaged.
We
have
the
support
of
the
mayor,
the
city
manager
and
the
chair
that
we
are
chasing
every
and
any
funding
source.
The
pilot
can
move
on
and
we
will
scale
up
if
there's
other
interim
funding
sources
left
over
p-tip
funding
and
so
forth.
C
So
we
will
have
unit
prices
in,
but
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
the
commission
we're
fully
aligned
to
that
recent
federal
funding
announcement
and,
if
there's
anything
out
there,
also
we're
we're
all
over
it.
So
we're
very,
very
close
with
the
infrastructure
bank
in
terms
of
being
congruent
on.
How
do
you
create
a
funding
environment
that
is
sustainable
that
drives
up
the
savings
and
that
enables
the
city
to
tip
holistically
on
a
large
scale
fleet
size
as
ours?
So
I
just
thought
I
would
share
that
with
you,
mr
richard.
G
G
N
G
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
So
some
of
the
stuff
I
wanted
to
cover
is
actually
been
covered,
so
let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
what
I'd
like
to
focus
on
is
that
we
heard
the
energy
evolution
team
yesterday
at
the
environment
committee
meeting
talking
about
what
needs
to
happen
for
the
climate
targets
that
the
city
is
looking
at
implementing,
so
oc
transpose
transit
fleet
accounts
for
fully
52
of
the
city's
corporate
emissions.
L
So
if
we
don't
do
anything
soon
with
that
fleet
we're
going
to
have
a
problem
meeting
the
targets
next
slide,
please.
So
if
you
look
at
the
report,
the
energy
evolution
report
on
page
61,
it
says
there
that,
for
the
targets
to
be
met,
48
percent
of
oc
transpose
passenger
fleet
has
to
be
zero
remission
by
2025
and
on
page
60.
A
hundred
percent
of
the
transit
fleet
has
to
be
zero
emission
by
the
year
2030.
L
The
energy
evolution
team
has
determined
that
without
federal
subsidies,
essentially
the
energy,
the
oc
transfer-
would
get
a
return
of
300
million
dollars,
so
they
would
spend
300
million
dollars
less
than
they
would
otherwise
by
switching
to
zero
emission
buses
so
to
e-buses,
and
if
the
federal
government
funding
so
infrastructure
bank
funding
and
others
would
be
put
to
use,
then
the
city
would
get
a
bigger
return
and
a
sooner
return.
So
this
will
save
money
next
slide.
Please
we've
talked
before
about
the
different
fuels.
L
So
if
you
look
at
cng,
which
mr
mancone
referred
to
again
a
few
minutes
ago,
they
do
not
contribute
to
reducing
greenhouse
gases.
They're
about
the
same
as
diesel
hydrogen
is
is
unaffordable.
The
operating
cost
of
buses
of
hydrogen
buses
are
twice
those
of
diesel,
which
makes
it
about
a
quarter
of
the
the
operating
cost
of
e-buses,
and
what
we're
seeing
is
that
e-buses
are
really
the
only
solution.
Next
slide,
please
the
market
share
globally
for
e-busses.
This
is
from
bloomberg.
L
New
energy
finance
is
already
or
was
already
in
2019
50,
so
50
of
new
buses
delivered
last
year
were
battery
electric
buses
next
slide.
Please
so
I'll
skip
this
one
and
I'll
go
to
the
timeline.
So
right
now
the
timelines
we're
looking
at
is
that
we're
going
to
receive
the
two
e
buses
sometime
late
in
2021.
L
L
The
bottom
line
is
that
we
would
get
to
large
numbers
of
e-busses
in
service
only
by,
and
I
would
like
to
argue
that
that
is
too
late
for
us
to
be
able
to
meet
the
targets
that
are
in
the
energy
evolution
program.
If
you
go
the
next
slide,
yes,
so
48
by
2020.
That
means
I
was
assuming
900
buses.
So
with
the
revised
numbers,
I
just
heard
we're
talking
about
upwards
of
350
buses
that
would
have
to
be
replaced
with
e-buses
by
2025..
L
Buses
have
a
15-year
life
cycle.
We
are
still
getting
new
diesel
buses.
So
there's
about
80
new
nova
buses
slated
to
arrive
over
the
next
few
months.
If
they're
replaced
by
2020
2030,
then
we'll
have
buses
that
will
have
not
been
used
for
the
entire
life
cycle,
so
we'll
be
losing.
On
that
end
and
the
more
we
wait,
the
more
we'll
get
buses
that
will
get
retired
before
they're
expected
useful
life
and
I'll
skip
the.
L
If
you
could
go
to
a
few
slides
down
to
the
example
of
other
cities.
So
this
is
the
data's
a
bit
old
here,
but
gives
you
an
idea
of
some
of
the
amounts
that
various
cities
have
had
and
a
reminder
that
edmonton
did
a
pilot
a
new
winter
now,
almost
seven
years
ago.
Next
slide,
please
so
recommendations.
So
first
recommendation
is
seems
obvious
to
me
that
e-busses
are
the
only
choice
and
I
would
recommend
that
we,
we
drop
this
idea
of
doing
a
pilot
to
choose
technology
technology.
L
The
technology
is
there.
We
need
trials
to
for
oc
transport,
to
understand
the
technology
and
get
adapted
to
it,
but
the
market
has
decided
for
us
already
that
e-buses
are
the
the
solution.
So
we
need
to
speed
up
a
procurement.
We
need
to
do
the
design
of
the
charging
infrastructure
next
year
as
early
as
possible
because
it
takes
a
a
year
to
two
years
easily
to
put
the
charging
infrastructure
in
space,
so
we
don't
have
in
place.
N
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
cheer.
Thanks
for
your
presentation,
the
you've
presented
to
us
before
one
of
the
key
and
critical
pieces
you've
raised,
obviously
around
climate
change.
The
other
piece
that
you've
raised
is
around.
You
know
that
that
you
raised
previously
is
around
the
type
of
buses
and
the
type
of
charging
stations.
N
N
Can
you
can
you
just
be
as
clear
and
concise
as
possible
about
the
type
of
ebus
and
charging
stations
that
you
see
as
a
need
for
for
the
city
of
ottawa
and
what
we
would
you
know
in
order
to
not
get
this
wrong?
What
what
has
potentially
been
procured
by
other
cities
in
the
past
that
has
got
it
wrong,
specifically
with
regard
to
the
type
of
ebus
and
and
the
charging
station
go
ahead.
Mr
ray.
L
Okay,
so
I'll
start
with
the
type
of
e-bus.
So
if
you
look
at
the
the
rfp
that
was
the
dr,
the
oc
transpo
has
issued
for
two
buses.
Those
are
the
type
of
buses
we
are.
We
are
advocating
for
so
they're
long-range
buses,
they're
250,
kilometers
and
above
which
would
be
enough
to
service
the
vast
majority
of
routes
in
in
ottawa
at
the
moment.
L
So
whistler
has
determined
that
the
operating
costs
for
for
hydrogen
buses
are
twice
the
cost
of
the
the
diesel
buses.
So,
if
you're,
looking
at
the
financial
situation
right
now,
there
are
budget
pressures
and
going
to
e-buses
would
allow
the
city
to
save
money
on
the
diesel
that
would
be
replaced
by
electricity,
but
also
on
the
maintenance
costs,
because
e-buses
require
less
maintenance
and
that's
been
shown
in
a
number
of
situations.
L
So
that's
the
the
bus
type
itself
on
the
charging
side.
What
we're
advocating
is
charging
that's
mostly
charging
its
depot
base,
because
that
is
less
expensive
to
to
deploy.
So,
if
we're
using
overhead
high
speed,
op
charging
we're
talking
about
stations
charging
stations
that
use
a
pantograph,
which
is
you
know,
there's
there's
some
some
issues
with
pantographs,
but
we're
talking
about
charging
stations
that
cost
a
lot
of
money.
Talking
about
several
million
dollars
per
charging
station,
they
are
in
a
fixed
location,
so
they're
not
very
flexible.
L
So
if
you
change
the
route
in
the
future
and
your
your
charging
station
is
not
in
the
right
location
anymore,
then
you're
you're
stuck
with
having
to
redeploy
new
charging
stations
in
the
new
locations
right,
so
they're,
not
very
flexible.
The
other
thing
they
do
is
they
tend
to
charge
buses
at
times
when
the
buses
are
most
used.
So
that
would
be
the
peak
hours
in
the
morning
and
the
the
afternoon,
where
there's
already
a
peak
on
the
grid
and
the
electricity
that's
being
produced,
is
being
produced
by
peaker
plant.
L
So
from
a
greenhouse
perspective,
the
electricity
is
less
clean
at
that
time,
so
we
would
want
to
avoid
adding
to
the
peak
so
charging
it
in
the
depot
at
night
or
perhaps
in
the
afternoon.
If
there's
opportunities
would
allow
us
to
use
much
cleaner
electricity
benefit
from
lower
electricity
rates.
Also.
G
C
Certainly
counselor
just
a
chair
just
to
help
out,
first
and
foremost,
the
infrastructure
bank
proposals
for
zero
emission
buses.
Just
so
everybody
knows.
Secondly,
I
know
many
of
these
conversations
digress
into
technologies
and
and
what
will
work
and
what
won't
work.
I
can
assure
council
the
commitment
members
of
commission.
The
infrastructure
bank
has
done
an
amazing
job,
they've
leveraged
q
trick,
as
have
we
done
all
the
work
with
qtric.
C
They
have
done
industry,
experts
sounding
tables
and
they
have
stantec,
who
is
on
the
engineering
side
of
it.
So
in
terms
of
all
of
those
elements,
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work?
It's
just
backstopped
by
that.
That's
why
I
was
very
impressed
with
their
work
on
our
team
just
to
give
the
councilman
eric
some
comfort.
C
I
I'm
I
I
don't
go
to
vendors
to
find
out
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work.
I
go
to
the
experts,
and
so
we
have
a
hydro
ottawa
team
that
has
some
amazing
talent
that
is
speaking
to
exactly
your
issue:
councilor
menard,
on
the
charging
stations
and
so
forth.
When
we
bring
back
the
report,
I
can
assure
you
we're
fully
aligned
it's
about
the
right
technology.
E
G
Do
it,
let
me
release
the
delegation
and
councillor
suds
and
commissioner
kerricado
will
go
first
on
the
staff,
okay,
the
okay.
So
thank
you,
mr
laurie,
very
much
for
your
presentation.
If
there's
no
other
questions
for
you,
we
appreciate
you
coming
out
today
and
so
councillor
studs.
If
you
want
to
start
questions
for
staff.
H
Terrific
thank
you
very
much
chair
hubli
and
thank
you,
john
and
your
team,
for
the
first
of
all,
of
course,
for
the
memo
and
the
update
and
for
the
answers
to
the
questions
just
raised
by
some
of
my
colleagues
through
the
delegations
just
a
few
questions
for
you.
First,
quite
simply,
I
the
memo
came
to
us
or
was
dated
october
7th,
and
it
mentioned
that
the
rfp
closed
on
october
15th.
So
I'm
just
curious
what
you
can
share
with
us
today.
C
H
Okay,
fair
enough,
so
another
question
and
we've
heard
a
lot
of
discussion
around
seeking
out
various
funding
sources.
So
my
question
for
you
is:
who
is
responsible
for
for
actively
chasing
these
funding
opportunities?
Is
that
your
team
is
it
transportation
services?
Is
it
finance?
Is
it
the
climate
change
team,
who's
tracking
it
and
pursuing
these
opportunities.
C
C
All
of
the
above,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
at
the
highest
order
myself,
mr
willis
and
ms
steffensen
have
great
networks
out
into
the
various
associations
to
chase
any
and
all
funding
and
and
then
we're
connected
to
organizations
such
as
cutrec,
the
infrastructure,
bank
and
so
forth
and
ptf
and
all
those
things
finance
is
a
gatekeeper
for
any
announcements.
But
then,
of
course,
we've
got
the
mayor
and
the
chair
and
counselors
who
do
their
own
political
lobbying
and
questioning
of
funding
opportunities
and
things
like
that.
C
H
H
Okay-
I
just
I
I'm
asking
these
questions
mostly
just
to
try
to
understand
where
that
accountability
lies,
but
also
to
make
sure
there
is
that
accountability.
To
make
sure
there
is
someone
who
is
responsible
for
chasing
this
funding
and
that
that
is
apparent
to
all
of
the
players
that
are
involved,
including
the
city
manager,
and
because
I
I
think
that
that
point
person
should
be
identified
in
that.
We
don't
want
to
miss
out
and
we
need
to
know
who
ultimately
is
responsible.
J
C
Sorry,
I
would
just
add:
there's
there's
the
informal
funding
that
also
comes
to
bear
and
you
know
I
know
some
people
don't
want
to
hear
about
cng,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
cng
is
writing
monthly
and
I'm
sure
some
of
you
have
received
their
correspondence
about
how
they
can
come
in
and
finance
these
capital
projects.
So
there's
the
non-government
funding
also.
H
H
H
But
in
my
mind
you
know
the
single
biggest
source
of
emissions
on
our
streets
comes
from
from
our
transit
operations,
and
so
what
what
I
would
like
to
pose
is
whether
transit
operations
would
consider
being
part
of
that
pilot
and
raising
your
hand
to
to
pilot
these
this.
This
notion,
which
I
I
respect,
is
very
new
but
moving
forward
with
carbon
budget
pilot.
C
Councillor
we're
we're
an
active
participant
in
that
group.
You
know
we're
open
to
to
anything.
I
what
I
point
to
staff
on
when
I
was
briefed
on.
You
know
the
proposed
plan
in
terms
of
getting
rid
of
our
emissions,
because
we
are
major
contributors.
Is
you
know?
Let's
look
back
on
what
we've
done
and
let's,
let's
look
at
what
you're
you're
currently
doing.
You
took
off
almost
200
buses
with
the
lrt
in
terms
of
a
big
big
carbon
emission
reduction,
and
so
with
that
investment
in
lrt,
cleaner
diesel
buses.
C
You
converted
them
years
ago
on
that
on
that
front
also,
so
you
know
we're
open
to
anything
and
everything
we're
full.
The
signal
from
me
to
you
is
we're
fully
aligned.
I
would
love
to
go
to
zero
emissions.
I
I
wouldn't
be
doing
my
job.
If
I
didn't
give
you
the
financial
aspect
of
it
and
I'm
sorry,
I'm
going
to
disagree
with
some
some
people
that
are
out
there
saying
if
you
just
may
wave
a
magic
wand,
electric
buses
are
going
to
save
you
money.
C
That's
why
I'm
excited
about
what
infrastructure
bank
has
brought
forward.
It's
the
most
comprehensive,
clean,
simple
approach
to
how
you
make
this
work.
If
we
want
to
go
there
and
my
report
that
I'm
bringing
to
you,
the
question
will
be
to
commission
council:
do
you
want
to
go
to
alternate
technologies?
You
don't
need
more
pilots.
Here's
the
technologies
pick
one!
Here's
your
cost!
C
H
F
C
I
I
there's
no
other
delays,
we're
delayed
on
with
kovitt
on
getting
the
tender
out
and
so
forth.
I
think,
if
I
heard
him
correctly
is
asked,
is
get
more
electric
buses,
that's
contingent
on
funding,
and
if
so,
we
want
to
add
two
three
four
more
buses
to
the
pilot,
we're
already
looking
at
that.
If
there's
leftover,
ptf
funding
and
things
like
that,
wendy
and
myself
and
others
are
looking
at
that.
F
Yeah,
I
think
he
was
asking
for
more
buses
to
be
included
in
the
pilot,
and
I
as
much
as
I
would
love
to
see
more.
I
don't
know
if
that
would
cause
a
delay
in
the
current
pilot
and
rfp
process,
and
I
don't
want
to
see
any
further
delays
to
this.
It's
we've
been
talking
about
it
for
quite
a
while.
Now
I'd
like
to
see
the
data
come
out
of
the
pilot
project
so
that
we
can
move
forward
with
certainty
that
we're
making
the
right
decision
or
change
course.
F
Mr
flurry's
presentation
about
you
know
how
far
we
are
behind
other
cities
already
and
that
the
technology
is
moving
quickly
and
perhaps
faster
than
we
are.
I
was
concerned,
but
reassured
today
that
we
that
we
weren't
going
in
the
right
direction
with
the
the
right
buses,
but
we're
sounds
like
we're
on
the
right
page
for
that
the
long
range
buses,
and
just
just
so
that
I
understand
the
cng,
the
fuel
source.
Why
would
that
not
reduce
our
overall
emissions?
C
H
H
H
You
know
an
almost
fifty
percent
of
48
percent
of
reduction
of
oc
fleet
it
to
from
current
to
to
zero
emissions
by
2025.
So
I
guess
I'm
going
to
ask
you
you
know:
do
you
have
a
plan
to
replace
48
of
our
buses
by
2025
with
zero
emission
buses?
I
think
we
need
to
know
that
before
we
before
we
have
that
discussion
at
council.
C
Two
things
just
on
on
timing,
and
you
know
counselor,
you
know
how
I
work.
I
mean
I
I
hear
the
frustration
people
are
late
are
annoyed.
This
is
taking
longer,
I
recommended
sole
sourcing
at
the
time
and
that
got
turned
down,
so
we
would
have
had
the
electric
buses
by
now
on
that,
and
I
just
you
know,
I
think,
that's
being
missed
in
all
this-
this
storytelling
here
so
or
this
narrative
in
terms
of
we're
late,
we're
late
on
the
being
late.
It's
actually
not
a
bad
thing.
C
You've
gotta
have
articulated
long-range
these
electric
buses,
which
are
now
just
getting
introduced
into
the
market
and
also
you've
got
double
deckers
that
are
literally,
you
know,
close
to
being
figured
out
as
to
how
they
can
do
so.
Leading
edge
is
good
bleeding
edge.
I
don't
necessarily
support
that
in
terms
of
the
plan.
It's
going
to
be
a
money
counselor,
we
can
convert
the
fleet.
C
It's
all,
and
I
was
very
clear
when
we're
on
that
that
committee
that
working
group
that
staff
committee
that
brought
that
plan,
which
has
a
price
tag
attached
to
it
and
absolutely
counselor
if
we
need
to
convert
the
fleet
at
an
accelerated
rate.
That
is
what
I'm
bringing
to
you
in
terms
of
the
financial
plan.
H
When,
when
will
we
see
that
financial
plan
like
what
is
the
plan,
I
I
guess
what
I
need
to
know
is
this:
what
is
the
plan?
You
come
back
to
us
with
money
with
an
ask
for
funding.
That's
absolutely
that's
to
us
to
decide
yes,
but
what
I
want
to
know
is:
when
am
I
going
to
see
a
plan
for
how
we're
going
to
get
to
a
zero
emission
fleet
48,
at
least
by
by
2025
and
100
by
2030.?
H
I
mean
I
don't
think
I
have
to
remind
anyone
that
five
years
down
the
road,
it's
not
even
five
years
down
the
road
just
over
four
years
down
the
road
is
it's
like
tomorrow
really-
and
I
and
I
I
I
just-
I
can't
see
how,
with
the
progress
we're
making
today,
how
we're
gonna
get
there,
so
I'm
asking
you
am
I
going
to
see:
when
are
we
going
to
see
an
absolute
plan
attach
money
to
it
of
how
we're
going
to
get
there?
Because
I
want
to
get
there?
H
I
don't
understand
how
we
continue
to
buy
diesel
buses,
as
mr
lurie
pointed
out
correctly,
with
a
life
cycle
of
15
years.
That
will
take
us
beyond
2030..
Does
it
it
just
again?
I
I
know
that
I'm
I'm
repeating
myself
here,
but
I
I
really
need
a
clear
answer
or
I
can
give
direction
for
you
to
come
back
with
a
plan
with
funding
attached
to
it.
But
but
I
need
to
hear
today
how
we're
going
to
get
there
or
what
is
when
we're
going
to
see
the
plan
for
getting
there.
C
His
comments
neglect
the
fact
that
you
don't
have
400
000
to
500
000
extra
for
every
bus
that
you
need
to
replace
so
then
you'd
end
up
short
you'd
have
you'd,
reduce
your
service.
You'd
have
less
buses,
so
we
don't
have
that
money
right
now
so
for
buying
10
buses,
you've
got
to
reduce
that
fleet
size
and
you
you
have
less
service
on
the
street.
The
plan,
I'm
bringing
you
back
says
if
you
move
to
electric
here.
Is
your
plan
to
get
there,
and
here
is
your
financial
cost
to
get
there?
C
I'm
hoping
that
the
infrastructure
bank
piece
enables
us
to
say
we
can
pivot
immediately.
Now
that's
trending
towards
the
end
of
2021
councillor.
However,
koved
has
really
thrown
a
wrench
here,
because
we
have
to
update
our
entire
transit
affordability
plan
because
your
pressure
now
is
not
just
how
do
you
convert
to
electric
buses?
C
It's?
How
do
you
deal
with
the
ridership
gap?
Are
you
into
major
service
changes?
Are
you
reducing?
Are
you
slowing
down
capital?
Are
you
adjusting
o
m?
Are
you
changing
standards
and
the
list
is
going
to
go
on
and
on
so
we're
tracking
to
the
end
of
2021
that
you
would
have
that
in
terms
of
here's,
the
electrification
plan
and
the
cost
to
do
so.
I
have
to
work
with
ms
steffensen
on
what.
How
do
we
bring
the
rest
of
that
to
you,
or
can
we
do
it
in
a
two-step
process?
C
H
C
C
Right
now
your
variable
is
covid
and
right
now
you
don't
have
a
funding
source
to
make
up
the
delta.
So
again,
I'm
excited
about
what
I
heard
from
the
infrastructure
bank.
If
they
can
change
the
stacking
rules,
they
can
come
out
with
a
lifetime
agreement
sheet
and
they
can
cover
transition
costs.
You
may
be
able
to
get
there,
but
I
wouldn't
be
doing
my
job.
If
I
didn't
give
you
the
challenge,
you
know
so
great.
C
You
moved
to
electrification,
but
your
service
is
horrible
or
you
can't
afford
bus
shelters
or
you
can't
afford
other
things.
You
can't
afford
certain
standards
and
so
forth.
I
want
to
bring
you
the
whole
picture
and
so
again
that's
the
work
that
I'm
doing
with
ms
stephenson,
because
the
covet
piece
has
changed.
Transit
operations
very
very
significantly
and
there'll
be
some
very
difficult
decisions
for
for
transit,
commission
and
council
to
make
if
funding
doesn't
come
through.
H
And
what
is
that
my
last
go?
My
last
question,
then,
is
you
know
what
how
are
we
being
kept?
Apprised
of
your
conversations
with
the
infrastructure
bank
are
like?
Is
that?
Has
there
been
a
formal
request,
you
know
not
just
not
just
phone
calls
one
office
to
the
other,
but
when
I
speak
to
the
minister
here,
mr
mckenna,
she
often
asked
me
why
we're
not
applying
for
many
like
whether
it's
housing
or
transit
or
infrastructure
she's,
always
asking
me.
H
Why
is
the
city
not
asking
for
for
these
for
the
for
this
money,
and
I-
and
I
can't
answer
that
so
you
know-
have
we
made
that
formal
request?
You
said
that
we
need
to
get
from
them
better
parameters
around
around
a
loan
for
what
that
would
mean
in
terms
of
you
know,
filling
in
that
delta.
Have
we
asked
for
that
formally
has
a
letter
gone
from
the
mayor?
Do
you
need
a
direction
today
to
have
that
happen?.
C
We
no,
I
we,
we
just
recently
met
with
them
twice
and
they
were
both
fantastic
meetings.
They
actually
fast
tracked
the
meetings
with
us,
because
so
you're
exactly
your
point,
counselor
mckenny.
I
said
I've
heard
also
that
you
know
local
mps.
Mpps
are
saying,
take
our
money,
take
our
money
and
I
said
to
them.
C
And
so,
if
you
speak
to
those
mp
mps,
those
are
the
three
things
and
we're
awaiting
that,
and
the
city
manager
gave
that
direction
to
the
people
that
we
met
with.
So
that
literally
has
happened
in
the
last
month
and
it
is
going
at
a
very
quick
pace.
I've
assured
them
that
we
have
a
captive
council,
that
there
is
a
big
appetite
to
hear
about
alternative
fuels
and
funding
to
it
and,
as
I've
said
over
and
over
again
today,
this
is
the
first
real
proposal.
C
I've
seen
that
is
comprehensive
and
touches
on
all
the
key
points,
save
and
accept
those
three
and
the
day
of
the
funding
announcement.
Their
lead
reached
out
to
me-
and
I
said
you
go
as
three
things-
get
it
in
writing
back
to
us
and
then
we'll
engage
very
quickly.
The
mayor's
office
and
the
chair
is
positioned
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
politically.
If
we
need
any
of
that.
C
I
have
a
technical
briefing
with
my
team
next
week
and
that
will
immediately
be
followed
up
by
my
weekly
bi-weekly
call
to
my
lead
over
at
infrastructure
bank.
To
say:
where
are
you?
It's
been
a
couple
weeks
since
our
announcement?
I
I'm
gonna
check
in
with
him,
because
I
have
not
heard
back
what
they're
saying
verbally
is
they're,
confident
they
can
make
that
happen.
We
need
to
see
it
in
writing
and
you
know,
I
think
you
know
bryce
very
well.
G
A
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
I
I'm
just
feeling
like
I
just
came
from
the
the
meeting
from
from
the
environment.
Was
it
yesterday
and
seems
longer
ago,
and
and
then
we
come
here,
and
it
just
feels
like
a
disconnect.
Sometimes
when
we're
talking
about
our
energy
evolution
and
we're
trying
to
to
work
to
get
things
done,
I
appreciate
that
there
are
meetings
happening.
A
I'm
really
encouraged
by
that,
and
I
guess
it
seems
to
be
the
win
and
you're
having
a
hard
time
saying
that,
but
in
our
discussions
with
the
feds
and
I
and
I
note
counselor
mckinney's
comments
that
they're
saying
that
they
want
to
give
us
the
money,
but
can
we
put
some
timelines
on
them
and
I
would
suggest
that
2025
when
we're
opening
up
that
stage,
2
lrt,
we
should
be
up
to
par
with
a
lot
of
electric
buses.
Can
we
give
them
goals
that
we?
A
We
need
to
do
this,
that
this
has
to
be
part
of
it?
If
they're
going
to
respect
our
climate
change
goals,
which
should
be
their
climate
change
goals,
can
we
push
on
that
that
that
we
desperately
need
these
timelines?
And
it's
not
just
for
us
it's
about
them
too,
because
we're
trying
to
do
something
for
the
environment.
That's
what
it
all
comes
down
to
we're,
not
trying
to
just
say
we
have
electric
buses.
We
really
really
do
want
those
targets,
and
I
know
you
do
too,
but
can
we
put
that
in
our
in
our
push?
A
C
Counselor,
I
think
we're
we're
very
much
aligned
the
the
picture
we're
drawing
for
them
is
we
have
energy
evolution.
We
have
an
lrt,
that's
being
built.
We
have
a
a
council
that
is
very
supportive
of
these
initiatives.
We
have
a
mayor,
that's
very
supportive
of
these
initiatives
and
a
chair.
We
have
a
very
green
city
and
we
have
a
great
fleet
that
can
be
a
model
for
canada,
and
so
we
it's
as
soon
as
I
heard
from
them.
C
That's
exactly
where
we
took
them
in
terms
of
this
is
what
we
want
to
do
so
that
we
can
line
all
this
up
and
we
have
a
study,
that's
underway,
that's
going
to
be
reporting
back
to
council
in
2021,
so
it's
the
perfect
storm
in
terms
of
getting
alignment.
So
yes
to
what
you're
saying
it's,
that
is
the
sales
pitch,
and
that
should
be
all
of
our
sales
pitches.
A
N
Thanks
very
much
chair
and
thank
you,
mr
manconi,
for
all
your
answers
and
your
help
with
this.
It's
it's.
It
is
extremely
important
that
we,
you
know
get
to.
You
know
a
place
where
we're
collaborating
on
this
piece
and
I
think
I
think
we're
getting
there.
So
that's
great
and
your
mention
of
stacking
made
me
laugh
because
I
used
to
I
started
a
business.
I
ran
a
business
and
that
was
one
of
the
main
things
that
I
did
in
that
business.
N
Explain
the
stacking
rules,
municipalities
across
the
country
and
they're
complicated,
sometimes,
and
so,
and
they
vary,
but
so
that
that
made
me
laugh.
I
only
have
one
question
and
it's
around
the
previous
budgets
that
we
had
around
around
the
diesel
buses.
We
were
gonna
purchase
and
there
was
a
large
number
in
there
and
I-
and
I
get
the
point
of
well
if
you're
going
to
electric
there's
a
different
upfront
capital
cost.
So
your
your
initial
purchase
on
the
buy
you
know
you're
going
to
have
less
buses
overall
to
put
into
service.
N
I
get
that,
but
my
concern
is
my
big
push
is
how
do
we
ensure
that
the
funding?
That's
been
committed
already
for
those
diesel
buses
starts
to
translate
into
funding
for
electric
buses.
Does
it
have
to
be
brand
new
funding,
or
can
some
of
that
previously
committed
funding
on
the
capital
side,
for
I
think
it
was
170
buses
right?
We
were,
it
was
over.
I
think
three
years
yeah,
but
can
you
just
give
me
an
update
on
you
know?
N
C
Sorry
counselor,
can
you
hear
me?
I
had
a
bad
connection
for
a
minute:
yeah,
yes,
okay!
So
no
the!
If
you
go
future
years
out,
you've
got
x
number
of
dollars
for
a
diesel
bus
that
would,
if
we
approve
a
plan
to
move
to
electric
buses
that
base
would
stay
there.
It's
the
top-up
that
we're
working
with
with
infrastructure
bank
to
do
the
offset
so
future
purchase
to
go
there.
Reminder,
though
it
takes
we're
ordering
a
year
out,
so
it
takes
a
year
to
get
buses
in.
C
So
that's
why
it
is
the
perfect
timing
back
to
counselor
kavanaugh
about
you
know.
We've
got
a
recipe
to
be
to
replace
a
good
chunk
of
the
fleet
and
go
hard
for
the
future
years.
What
we're
also
watching
now
with
lower
loads
and
so
forth,
is
you
know,
do
we
push
those
fleets
off
a
little
bit
half
a
year
or
a
year
to
drag
it
out?
So
we
don't
have
missed
large
purchase
opportunities.
C
That
work
is
being
done
by
our
planning
group
and
our
fleet
group.
That's
the
briefing
I
was
talking
about,
I'm
going
to
bring
you
the
picture
of
your
opportunity.
That's
before
you
so
that
you're
not
just
replacing
two
or
three
buses,
you
want
large-scale
replacements,
which
speaks
back
to
council
mckinney's
comment
about.
Will
it
be
noticeable
by
certain
years,
so
we're
mapping
all
that
out?
Okay
and.
N
G
Thank
you,
council,
menard.
Okay,
see
no
other
questions
this,
because
it's
an
ipd
it
doesn't
need
to
have
a
formal
approval,
but
we
can
receive
it
for
information
if
that's
okay
for
everybody
received
received.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
next
up
notice,
emotions
I
have
one.
Does
anyone
else
have
a
motion
that
they
want
to
get
notice
of?
G
G
G
And
finally,
be
it
further
resolve
that
staff
report
back
to
the
transit
commission
as
part
of
the
next
update
of
the
city's
long-range
financial
plan
for
transit,
including
any
recommendations
arising
from
the
working
group.
Thank
you
so
we'll
discuss
that
at
our
regular
meeting
in
november.
It's
basically
the
motion
is
to
give
a
framework
for
staff
to
go
away
and
save
us
every
year
budget
trying
to
keep
these
fares
and
costs
for
the
equipass
low.
G
What
I
want
to
do
is
trying
to
build
this
into
our
long-term
planning
to
try
to
get
that
instead
of
just
freezing
fears,
maybe
we
might
even
be
able
to
go
so
far
as
to
lower
fares.
So
that's
why
I
I'm
asking
councilman
kenny
to
join
us
in
that
effort,
because
I
know
she's
been
a
strong
proponent
of
that.
So
that's
my
motion.
G
If
everybody's
good
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
other
business,
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
thank
chris
he's
been
our
clerk
since
the
start
of
this
term
of
council
he's
been
a
great
assistant
to
myself
and
and
to
the
commission.
We
want
to
wish
him
well,
as
many
of
you
may
know,
he's
also
the
clerk
for
the
environment
committee,
which
meets
the
day
before
so
this
is
the
the
week
every
month
that
drives
chris
crazy,
I'm
sure.
G
G
Next
meeting,
thank
you
vice
chair,
I'm
assuming
that's
scary.
I'll
move
on
to
next
meeting
will
be
a
special
meeting
on
november
4th
of
2020,
which
will
be
the
tabling
the
budget.
It'll
take
place
right
after
the
council
meeting
ends
and
then
the
next
regular
meeting
it
will
be
the
november
18th
meeting
where
we
will
discuss
the
transit
budget
itself.