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SPECIAL TRANSIT COMMISSION MEETING, November 4, 2020
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A
A
A
A
We
will
also
not
be
considering
any
motions
on
these
items
at
today's
meeting.
The
opportunity
for
both
submissions
and
motions
will
be
at
the
meeting
of
wednesday
november
18th
members
are
asked
to
ask
any
questions
they
wish
of
staff
but
reminded
that
we
should
limit
our
questions
to
high-level
technical
questions.
To
do
with
the
budget
as
opportunities
to
examine
the
budget
in
detail
will
be
provided
again
on
the
18th.
So
to
start
the
meeting.
Is
there
any
declaration
of
interest
by
any
member
okay
see
none?
A
C
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
afternoon,
members
of
transit
commission,
mr
chair,
the
budget
of
the
draft
budget
that
we're
tabling
today,
I
can
honestly
say,
is
probably
the
most
challenging
budget
in
my
30-year
municipal
career
and
and
the
reason
for
that
is
two-fold.
There
are
many
many
variables
to
the
environment
that
we're
in
and,
secondly,
there's
things
that
we
simply
don't
know
about
the
pandemic,
so
we
have
to
take
a
different
approach
to
the
budget.
C
The
the
team
and
I
want
to
thank
the
finance
team
and
the
oc
transpo
team
have
worked
on
this
for
for
many
many
weeks
and
I've
just
got
some
opening
comments
before
I
go
to
the
deck.
So
if
you
just
hold
the
deck
please,
the
the
four
principles
that
we
applied
is
first
and
foremost,
it
is
financially
responsible.
There's
been
a
lot
of
questions
about
ridership
and
how
do
we
manage
costs
and
so
forth?
C
And
I'm
going
to
be
walking
through
that
in
detail
with
you
today,
so
it's
financially
responsible,
the
equity
inclusion
lens
has
been
applied
throughout
it
because
you're
going
to
hear
how
impacts
to
service
disproportionately
affect
those
that
need
it.
The
most
I'm
going
to
be
speaking
to
you
about
that.
C
Thirdly,
it
aligns
with
council's
priorities
and
your
and
your
directions.
And,
lastly,
in
terms
of
a
key
principle,
it
continues
to
be
a
key
contributor
to
the
recovery
strategy.
In
terms
of
where
we
need
to
get
to
mr
chair,
the
overarching
theme
is
ensuring
that
nobody
is
stranded
with
this
draft
budget.
C
C
C
Introducing
service
cuts,
that's
going
to
impact
those
that
need
it.
The
most
is
not
what
we're
recommending
they
depend
on
it
for
their
day-to-day
lives,
their
livelihood
and
their
well-being,
those
that
are
on
low
income,
those
that
don't
have
access
to
a
private
car
a
vehicle
or
can't
afford
other
modes
of
traffic
transportation
and
will
hamper
your
mitigation
strategy
and
recovery
strategy.
C
C
C
The
first
is
that
the
2021
your
draft
budget
is
based
on
ridership
at
the
same
level
as
the
2020
budget,
that's
99.4
million
rides.
I
will
come
back
to
that
towards
the
end
of
the
presentation
to
explain
how
that
all
squares
up
and
why
we're
not
recommending
an
adjustment
to
the
to
the
ridership
forecast
at
this
time.
C
We're
also
recommending
a
fair
increase
of
two
and
a
half
percent,
which
is
consistent
with
your
transit
affordability
plan
for
2021.
and
as
you've
heard
the
mayor
and
the
treasurer
speak.
We
are
taking
the
mayor's
direction
and
freezing
community
pass
for
odcasb
recipients
and
the
equal
pass
fares
for
people
with
low
incomes
at
2019
levels.
That's
an
investment
of
185
000,
given
the
ridership
volumes
and
the
financial
challenges
we're
in.
C
C
There's
the
offset
of
the
cancellation
of
the
provincial
gas
tax,
another
five
million
dollars
and
then
there's
some
assessment
growth.
So
the
new
money
coming
in
is
about
19
million
dollars
and
that's
an
important
number
to
to
present
to
you
and
I'll
have
a
summary
slide
in
a
moment
on
that
we're
assuming
a
fair
increase.
C
As
you
recall,
in
2020,
you
had
the
fair
increase
that
you
froze
and
you
gave
us
clear
direction:
don't
reconstitute
that
fare
increase
until
the
lrt
system
is
stable
and
consistently
reliable
and,
as
you
heard
at
the
last
transit
commission,
we've
just
started
that
work.
So
we're
not
in
that
position
to
say,
lift
the
for
the
freeze
and
implement
it
next
slide,
please.
C
So
what
we're
proposing
is,
and
just
on
the
solution
side
of
that
before
I
get
to
that-
a
reminder
that
the
fair
freeze
for
the
year
is
part
of
the
rtg
claim.
So
we've
put
that
into
our
legal
claims
towards
rtg,
but
in
the
meantime
we
have
to
recover
those
five
million
dollars
and
because
it's
a
base
pressure-
and
if
you
don't
that
compounds
into
hundreds
and
millions
of
dollars
down
the
road-
and
it
makes
your
transit
affordability
initiatives,
not
just
lrt.
That's
electric
buses:
that's
new
service,
that's
bus,
shelters!
C
Everything
makes
that
transit,
affordability,
less,
afford
a
transit
affordability
plan
problematic.
So
it's
a
compounding
effect.
So
our
proposal
is
that
we
fund
that
from
reserves
with
a
reminder
that
we
are
going
to
try
to
recollect
that
back
from
rtg
and
that
the
2021
fare
increase
would
take
effect
january
20
or
january
first,
except
for
those
that
are
frozen
on
low-income
nodsp
recipients.
The
discretionary
spending
freeze
will
continue
in
2021
at
oc
transport.
It's
part
of
the
organizat
freeze
and
we're
continuing
to
watch
all
of
the
bottom
lines.
Next
slide,
please!
C
The
first
is,
you
recall:
you
added
40
buses
extra
buses
when
we
were
challenged
with
all
the
bus
service,
with
the
lrt
breaking
down
on
a
very
frequent
basis,
we're
recommending
because
of
the
lower
volume.
We
postpone
that
you
don't
do
that
right
now.
You
can
do
that
at
future
years.
If
that
demand
comes
back
that
generates
about
eight
million
dollars
in
savings,
we
have
some
staffing
requests.
We
need
in
the
safety
unit,
rather
than
impact
the
operating
budget.
We
will
just
bridge
finance
them
for
now,
through
capital.
C
We've
looked
at
our
wsib
claims.
We
think
we
can
manage
that
a
little
bit
tighter
and
see
if
we
can
offset
that
by
three
and
a
half
million
dollars.
We
believe
the
volume
is
different
than
what
it
was
when
there
was
concerns
about
layoffs
and
so
forth.
So
we
we
believe
we
can.
We
can
have
that
in
the
right
direction.
C
Our
customer
service
improvement
program
will
continue
and
we're
we're
hearing
great
feedback
on
our
twitter
feeds
on
our
response
to
counselors
and
so
forth.
It's
just
with
the
lower
volume
we'll
just
slow
down
how
we
ramp
that
up
and
in
terms
of
continuing
with
it.
We
also
have
the
capital
budget
projects
that
we're
continuing
with
on
tools
and
resources
for
that
group.
C
That
will
continue
so
we're
not
proposing
to
cut
down
on
the
pera
online
booking
or
any
of
those
very
important
initiatives,
there's
a
reduction
to
a
contribution
to
reserves,
and
I
want
to
thank
finance
team
for
identifying
that
the
next
one
is
three
million
dollars.
That's
a
reduction
volume
that
hurts
no
one.
None
of
these
actually
are
affect
any
customers
and
don't
affect
you
in
terms
of
again
giving
you
being
you
being
stranded
politically
or
from
a
financial
perspective
or
our
customers
being
stranded
and
having
an
impact
to
the
direct
service.
C
So
with
reduced
volume,
there's
reduced
presto
fees
and
card
purchases.
Those
are
costs
that
we
we
charged.
We
have
to
pay
to
metro
links.
Volume
is
down
that
generates
three
million
dollars
in
savings,
there's
a
reduced
provincial
gas
tax
debt
servicing
of
two
million
dollars
2.4
and
then
there's
the
urban
transit
area.
Boundary
report
that
the
chair
spoke
about.
That's
a
cleanup
exercise
that
we
do
periodically
that
looks
at
properties
that
are
within
the
urban
boundary
that
should
be
paying
the
tax
transit
tax
levy,
so
most
of
them
are
development
held
and
so
forth.
C
C
So
our
our
fleet,
maintenance
group
has
looked
at
volume
and
servicing
licensing
that
generates
about
2.8
million
dollars.
I
t
contracts
again
volume
based
fine-tuning
looking
at
fts
did
we
really
need
to
pursue
them
this
year?
Could
we
put
them
off
and
manage
them
through
through
consultants
and
so
forth,
so
that
list
there
without
cutting
service
generates
30
million
dollars
next
slide?
Please!
C
So
now
I
want
to
talk
about
cobit
costs
and
impacts
and
we're
in
a
dynamic
world,
and
you
know
wendy
and
the
city
manager.
I've
been
very
bright
about
this
in
terms
of
look
at
covet
costs
and
don't
naturally
assume
they're
there
forever,
because
things
could
change
with
vaccine
and
so
forth.
It
is
very,
very
expensive
to
clean
our
buses
facilities
and
trains
and
by
clean
they're
cleaning
everything.
C
C
I
can
tell
you
that
every
single
week
I
get
from
uitp
exactly
where
ridership
is
around
the
world
for
major
transit
agencies
and
the
curves
all
look
the
same
and
they
go
up
and
they
go
down
depending
on
what
covet
impacts
are
and
so
forth.
There
is
nobody
out
there
that
can
tell
you
where
ridership
will
be
in
2021,
there's
too
many
variables.
C
So
what
we
did-
and
I
want
to
thank
pat
his
team,
steve
willis,
stats,
canada.
We
took
your
ridership,
we
know
the
segmentation
of
our
ridership
and
we
know
the
types
of
use
of
our
ridership.
We
cross
reference
that
with
places
of
employment
destinations
and
we
put
a
percentage
of
potential
recovery
through
that.
Is
it
perfect?
No,
but
it's
better
than
what
I've
been
hearing.
Some
people
are
doing
they're
just
guessing.
We
didn't
want
to
guess.
We
wanted
to
bring
some
science
to
this
and
we
have
put
together
five
scenarios.
C
C
C
So
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
challenges.
We
just
have
big
challenges
and
they're
complicated
challenges.
The
first
one
is
you'll
recall:
you
approve
the
strategy
during
our
negotiations
to
deal
with
the
federally
imposed
30-minute
break
rule
that
we
chose
to
go
through
collective
agreement
to
settle
that,
and
that
was
the
best
course
of
path,
because
a
we
got
our
own
destiny
and
b.
C
We
can
manage
our
costs
rather
than
it
just
being
imposed,
and
so
that
matter
has
been
put
to
bed
and
we
meet
we're
in
full
compliance
with
that
there's,
a
six
million
dollar
tab
associated
with
that
and
that's
to
when
the
30-minute
break
occurs.
You
can
just
imagine
it's
out
in
the
middle
of
service.
You
need
to
swap
out
drivers
and
so
forth.
C
C
We
need
to
again
not
box
ourselves
in
that
we
don't
have
the
levers
to
push
and
pull
and
make
adjustments
if
things
go
a
certain
way,
one
way
or
the
other,
whether
things
bounce
back,
whether
things
go
worse,
so
we
don't
want
to
build
up
the
organization
to
have
to
tear
it
down,
so
we
will
have
the
operators,
we
don't
use
temporary
employees
in
the
language
of
the
collective
agreement,
we're
not
entitled
to
that.
They
will
be
full-time
but
they're,
not
full-time
ftes.
C
C
C
So,
thank
goodness,
we've
been
proactive.
You
recall
that
the
treasurer
brought
to
you
a
financial
mitigation
strategy
that
we
worked
on.
We've
already
booked
24
million
dollars
in
deferrals
of
capital
projects
they're
not
cut.
I
know
some
of
you
were
wondering
if
those
were
cuts,
those
were
deferrals,
and
so
what
we
need
is
we're
short
30,
24,
another
23
to
30
million
dollars
to
get
us
to
that
bottom
line.
C
C
You
can
increase
fares
more
than
the
two
and
a
half
or
you
can
increase
taxes
even
more,
and
I
don't
know
for
sure,
but
I'm
going
to
speculate.
I
don't
think
those
are
things
that
are
palatable
for
anyone
right
now
and
certainly
wouldn't
be
palatable
for
our
customers
in
terms
of
you
know
affecting
them.
So
next
slide.
C
So
we
wanted
to
have
a
few
scenarios
ready,
and
this
speaks
to.
I
know
what
the
media
scrum
some
of
the
reporters
were
saying.
Are
you
just
waiting
for
the
bailouts,
we're
not
we're
being
proactive
and
we're
being
financially
prudent
and
we're
taking
care
of
those
that
need
us
the
most?
So
we
don't
strand
them
anywhere.
C
The
backstop
to
that
is
plan
b,
which
is
what
we're
recommending
and
it's
been
built
into
this
budget
plan
b
is
you've,
got
the
24
million
dollars
that
you've
already
dealt
with
the
deferrals
and
then
we
would
bring
to
you
and
we
have
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
list,
because
I
don't
want
anybody
to
leave,
not
knowing.
I
know
we
got
into
specifics
at
our
future
date,
but
we
need
30
million
dollars
more.
C
C
We
know
how
the
milestone
payments
work
out
on
that
we
will
adjust
those
because
it's
based
on
the
firm
pricing
we
now
have
from
our
supplier
and
some
costs
came
in
a
lot
lower
than
we
thought
so
13
million
dollars.
We
still
get
every
single
feature:
open
payment,
fare
gates,
fair
vending
equipment,
everything
that
you
see
on
line
one
and
more
because
even
the
enhanced
model,
as
we
did
during
our
press
release,
so
that
gets
you
13
million
dollars.
C
C
We'll
look
at
there's
some
miscellaneous
accounts
for
minor
repairs
and
adjustments
to
our
facilities
and
garages.
Nothing!
That's
life
cycle
dependent.
We
can
wait
for
them
again,
no
different
than
your
house
budget.
That's
about
1.6
million
dollars
our
stage,
2
transition
cost.
We
know
a
lot
about
what
we
need
to
do
based
on
stage
one.
We
had
a
healthy
budget
of
over
six
million
dollars
there.
We
will
shave
that
down
by
1.5
million,
there's
no
direct
impact
to
customers
or
safety,
that's
less
consultants
and
just
working
a
little
bit
differently.
C
Please
is
the
service
cuts
and,
as
you
heard,
the
city
manager-
I
I
don't
know
if
you
said
it
this
morning.
I
know
during
the
media
scrum.
He
talked
about
being
ready
that
if,
in
eventuality
things
get
worse
or
we
need
to
have
another
plan,
we
will
look
at
service
cuts,
but
they're
not
built
into
this
budget
and
we're
not
recommending
them.
C
And
you
know
the
word
stranded,
I'm
going
to
say
it
over
and
over
again
the
u.s
there's
a
great
report
that
we
read
that
looked
at
major
metropolitan
cities,
chicago
denver,
boston
that
are
saying
you
know
if
we
look
at
service
cuts
because
they're
in
a
financial
situation
no
different
than
ours,
who
would
that
affect?
And
what
would
that
look
like?
And
the
categories
are
people
without
access
to
a
private
vehicle?
C
Those
with
low
income,
visible
minorities
and
those
that
need
to
get
to
critical
jobs,
massive
impacts
to
those
communities,
and
so,
on
top
of
all
that,
once
you
do
the
cuts,
these
would
not
be
instant
savings.
You
would
need
to
wait
till
the
end
of
next
year.
The
plan
would
be
we
would
table
them
for
you
in
june,
you'll
see
the
cuts
and
again
I'm
not
going
to
sugarcoat
it.
This
is
not
five
minute
reductions.
This
is
not
cutting
a
suburban
route.
C
C
C
So
we're
just
doing
our
due
diligence,
because
I've
heard
a
lot
of
requests
about.
Why
are
we
cutting
we're
not
cutting
because
of
social
distancing,
we're
doing
what
dr
etches
has
asked
you
for
we're?
Not
cutting,
because
we're
not
we
didn't
want
to
do
the
short-term
moves
that
other
jurisdictions
have
done,
and
you
can
scan
the
media
today.
C
C
We're.
Also
taking
the
long
view.
The
equity
inclusion
lens
that
we
talk
so
much
about
taking
care
of
those
that
need
it
now
will
need
it
in
the
short
term,
we'll
need
it
in
the
medium
term
and
we'll
need
it
as
part
of
our
economic
recovery
plays
a
vital
role
in
terms
of
what
we're
doing.
But
having
said
that,
we
have
to
do
the
financially
prudent
and
the
difficult
things
that
we're
paid
to
do,
which
is
what
the
city
manager
has
said,
be
ready.
C
D
C
There's
the
legal
definition
of
it,
and
we
need
to
be
careful
with
that,
because
there's
there's
labor
law
for
that,
but
counselor,
I
would
say
absolutely
yeah.
Yes,
the
thing
that
worldwide
transit
has
demonstrated
is
it
is
critical
to
the
life
of
the
lifeblood
of
cities
and
to
the
well-being
of
everyone
and,
as
part
of
the
recovery.
D
A
A
B
B
C
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
your
audio
is
being
funky
again,
so
just
thought
I'd.
Let
you
know
that
just
really
quickly.
Mr
manconi,
following
up
on
on
my
my
colleague's
question,
about
the
ridership
and
associated
revenue
for
20,
2021,
being
reflected
in
the
budget
as
the
same
as
2020.
Was
there
any
consideration
given
to
reflecting
our
current.
C
Yes,
kevin
sure:
that's
the
that's
the
50
to
60
million
dollar
delta
range,
so
we're
keeping
as
councillor
brockington
has
said,
we're
assuming
the
revenue
to
stay
whole
and
that
gets
plugged
by
the
mitigation
measures.
But
we
are
assuming
that
ridership
will
not
be
at
a
hundred
percent
of
where
it
was
pre-covered.
C
So
you
start
with
that.
You
identify
there's
going
to
be
a
gap
and
how
do
you
close
that
gap
so
in
essence,
we'll
get
we're
we're
both
saying
the
same
thing:
ridership
will
be
lower
in
2021.,
we've
kept
the
ridership
revenue,
whole
we've
segregated
the
covet
costs,
and
we've
said
after
all
that
what's
your
potential
delta
on
ridership
revenue
drop,
it's
the
50
to
60
percent,
and
then
you
roll
it
up
and
mitigate
from
there.
D
D
Thank
you
very
much
chair,
mr
manconi.
What
did
has
oc
transport
take
it
into
it,
looked
at
roots
that
have
basically
very
very
few
people
on
them,
because
I
know
that
out
here
in
bar
haven
we're
blocked
we're
watching
buses
rattle
through
neighborhoods,
with
no
one
on
them
and
our
park
and
rides
are
basically
empty.
D
C
Counselor
great
question
that
there
is
and
here's
the
challenge
that
that
employee
that
needs
to
get
to
their
job
downtown
from
your
ward.
If
I
cut
that
trip
it's
a
15-minute
cycle,
they're
gonna
go
to
30
minutes.
What
what
already
is
happening,
particularly
in
the
states,
is
exactly
that
they're
going
30
minutes
for
a
ride,
I'm
going
to
take
an
uber
and
it's
eroding
their
earnings
and
it's
actually
pulling
them
away
from
transit.
C
The
short
term!
If
you
want
to
go
there,
you
go
there.
What
we're
really
concerned
is
about
once
you
lose
those
riders.
Will
they
come
back,
particularly
those
that
make
big
decisions
go.
You
know
they're
going
to
move
they're
going
to
buy
car
all
that
stuff.
We
think
the
ridership
will
come
back.
We
want
to
keep
them
the
challenge
right
now,
when
I
hear
someone
say
cut
a
route.
C
What
route?
What
frequency
are
you
comfortable
going
to
and
doing
it
on
a
piecemeal
basis
is
a
very
difficult
task,
because
you
will
we
will
all
get
flooded
with
complaints,
because
it
will
always
impact
someone
and
and
I've
seen
the
empty
buses.
I've
also
seen
the
half
full
buses.
I've
seen
some
complaints.
C
You
know
point
in
time
on
a
route.
I
I
agree
wholeheartedly
with
you.
There
are
some
instances
where
you
could.
The
question
is:
is
it
worth
the
effort
to
do
that
right
now
or
do
we
continue
with
what
we're
doing
and
move
forward
with
the
plan
that
we've
proposed
it's
a
difficult
task
to
start
plucking
away
certain
trips,
because
then,
then
you
have
to
apply
the.
C
D
D
C
Okay,
noah
and
maybe
it
didn't,
come
across
the
right
way,
but
if
you
this
proposal
this
budget,
that's
before
you,
you
will
make
all
the
decisions
and
if
the
safe
start
program
for
the
remaining
nine
months
has
not
come
through
you,
the
issue
is
resolved
financially
because
of
the
deferred
capital
projects
and
the
30
million
dollar
cut
list.
So
you've
made
those
decisions.
You
will
eliminate
that
capital
budget
envelope
and
you
will
be
made
whole
for
the
rest
of
the
year.
So
you
won't
be
short.
D
C
C
A
A
E
Yes
thanks,
mr
manconi,
mr
chair.
Yes,
verbal
just
a
a
quick
explanation
of
this,
this
report
every
few
years,
every
depending
on
how
development
is
gone
depending
on
other
decisions
by
council,
we
bring
a
report
to
trans
commission
with
recommendation
to
go
through
the
council
to
adjust
the
urban
transit
area.
We
have
direction
from
council
for
many
years
to
as
they
called
it
at
the
time
automatically.
E
So
the
map-
that's
included
with
the
with
the
report,
shows
in
I
believe
it's
in
purple
or
a
darker
gray.
If
you're
looking
at
a
black
and
white
copy,
the
areas
that
would
be
expanded,
these
are
areas
which
are
not
currently
in
the
urban
transit
area,
but
are
in
the
urban
policy
area,
and
with
this
report
adopted,
the
changes
would
take
place
for
the
first
of
january
and
that
would
allow
the
additional.
E
Tax
revenue
of
just
over
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
mr
mancone
showed
in
his
list
of
solutions
of
how
we
closed
the
first
30
million
dollar
gap.
So
mr
chair,
there's
a
brief
explanation
and
we'll
be
happy
to
receive
big
questions
now
or
more
questions
on
the
18th.
When
this
report
is
considered
by
the
commission.
A
B
Okay,
chair,
yes,
it's
riley
speaking.
Can
I
just
ask
a
quick
question
sure
I
just
want
to
know
if
it's
possible
in
advance
of
our
next
transit
commission
meeting,
if
the
general
manager
and
treasurer
could
make
themselves
available
to
members
of
the
transit
commission
who
may
have
detailed
budget
questions,
I'm
just
trying
to
think.
B
I
don't
want
to
clog
our
next
transit
commission
with
lots
of
questions,
and
I
only
have
five
minutes,
but
is
there
any
way
that,
through
your
office
or
other
that
we
can
make
staff
available
to
members
who
may
have
detailed
questions?
Is
that
possible?
I
did
email,
mr
mancone
and
and
madam
stephenson
about
two
weeks
ago,
but
I
think
I'm
going
to
have
more
than
five
minutes
of
questions
and
I
just
want
to
know
if
that's
possible.