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Transportation Committee - Agenda 18 - Wednesday, April 7, 2021 - video stream
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A
C
D
E
F
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much
kelly,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
look
at
the
agenda.
First
off
item
number:
one:
is
the
public
bike
parking
strategy,
exciting
stuff?
We
do
have
a
presentation
and
we
also
do
have
a
delegation
so
we'll
hold
that
one
item
number
two:
we
got
the
status,
update,
transportation
committee
inquiries
and
motions
for
the
period
ending
march
19th
2021.
A
we
have
no
delegations
or
correspondence.
Is
this
item?
Is
this
item
received
received?
Thank
you
very
much
item
number
three.
It's
the
motion,
hydraul
wire,
bearing
of
hawthorne
avenue.
We
do
have
a
delegation,
so
this
item
will
be
held.
Item
number
four.
Is
it's
a
motion
highway
17
to
ottawa
road
174?
A
E
Thank
you
chair.
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity.
Listen.
The
highway
highway
174
was
downloaded
from
from
the
province
onto
the
municipality.
We
spend
quite
a
bit
of
money,
maintaining
it
and
with
people
moving
outside
of
the
downtown
core
and
trim
road
becoming
the
terminus.
I
think
that
it's
incumbent
upon
us
to
ensure
that
that
we
are
providing
ample
opportunity
for
people
that
are
coming
in
from
outside
of
the
core
to
use
the
lrt.
E
So
what
we're
doing
is
we're
asking
the
mayor
to
write
to
the
province
to
make
an
investment
in
a
parkade
at
the
terminus
of
of
of
stage
2,
lrt
to
encourage
the
modal
shift
coming
into
the
city.
This
will
reduce
ghgs
and
and
wear
and
tear
on
our
infrastructure
by
people
who
are
not
rate
payers
in
the
city.
It's
good
for
the
environment
and
it's
good
for
the
long
for
the
long
term.
A
Great
thank
you
for
that.
Succinct
description.
Item
number
five
navin
road,
widening
review
of
priority
and
the
transportation
master
plan.
There's
no
presentations,
no
delegation
nor
nor
correspondence,
but
I
did
just
receive
a
message
that
there
was
a
bit
of
a
warning
discrepancy
within
this
motion.
Kelly.
Did
you
just
receive
the
the
updated
version?
It
did
it's
just
something
that
that
you
can
put
on
screen
just
at
a
full
fairness
and
transparency
to
our
committee.
C
Members
is
it
therefore
be
it
results
that
changed
so
so
chair.
If
I
can
explain,
the
only
change
that
has
happened
was
the
word.
Widening
was
changed
to
urbanization,
because
the
real
focus
of
this
is
to
bring
in
the
pedestrian
and
cycling
facilities.
It's
not
to
widen
for
more
traffic.
That
will
happen
eventually
under
the
tmp.
It's
really
to
make
sure
that
the
tmp
is
looking
at
bringing
in
pedestrian
cycling
infrastructure
when
the
timing
is
right,
or
this
particular
particular
section
of
road
that
is
lacking
in
those
areas.
C
A
A
A
I
I
So,
just
over
a
year
ago,
roads
and
parking
services
started
a
process
to
address
a
gap
in
the
coordination
of
our
transportation
network
that
had
become
increasingly
apparent,
and
today
we
are
happy
to
be
bringing
forward
a
strategy
that
will
better
focus
the
city
towards
engaging
in
proper
consideration
of
parking
for
cyclists.
Next
slide,
please
kelly.
I
When
developing
the
strategy,
the
focus
was
on
publicly
available
by
parking
and
on
providing
a
framework
around
the
what
and
the
when
and
where
for
bike
parking.
This
also
addresses
the
fact
that
there's
a
clear
approach
and
bike
parking
responsibilities
are
dispersed
throughout
different
groups
within
the
city.
I
I
So
stantec
is
a
consulting
firm
that
was
brought
on
board
to
assist
us
in
the
development
of
the
strategy
and
we're
joined
this
morning
by
stephen
oliver
from
stantec
they've
done
an
excellent
job
in
allowing
us
to
develop
a
thorough
well-framed
strategy
which
was
heavily
influenced
by
an
extensive
consultation
process.
Next.
Luckily,
so
our
consultation
involved,
the
public
cycling
groups
such
as
bike
ottawa,
counselors
businesses
and
the
parkland
stakeholder
consultation
group,
which,
among
others,
is
comprised
of
community
association
representatives,
a
walking
and
cycling
representative
and
a
member
from
the
accessibility
advisory
committee
we
are.
I
I
So
this
is
an
overview
of
the
various
components
of
the
public
bike.
Perkins
strategy,
I'm
going
to
be
handing
over
to
brandon
to
walk
through
these
in
a
little
more
detail.
But
the
key
point
is
that
the
strategy
has
been
developed
so
as
to
allow
staff
to
take
a
clear,
focused
and
responsive
lead
on
all
things
related
to
publicly
available
by
parking.
So
with
that
I'll
ask
for
the
next
slide
and
hand
it
over
to
brandon.
J
J
J
So
the
strategy
document
contains
the
full
wording
of
the
three
objectives,
and,
but
we
have
them
summarized
in
short
form
here,
so
the
first
speaks
to
providing
an
optimized
supply
of
bike
parking,
while
also
accounting
for
other
needs
of
the
public
space
and
balancing
them.
The
second
objective
is
about
accounting
for
the
full
spectrum
of
cyclists
in
terms
of
trip
generators
and
from
casual
to
commuter
and
everything
in
between
so.
Lastly,
we
want
to
incorporate
data
based
justification
for
bike
parking
decisions.
Next
slide,
please.
J
So
in
terms
of
parking
types
and
placement,
the
strategy
summarizes
a
range
of
options
with
varying
degrees
of
capacity
footprint
and
cost.
These
options
can
be
generalized
into
two
broad
categories:
being
secure
and
unsecure.
The
strategy
also
outlines
placement
considerations,
as
well
as
recommendations
for
these
options.
Next
slide,
please.
J
J
We
can
leverage
available
data
inputs
and
develop
appropriate
weighting,
which
factors
into
the
decision
making
process,
for
example,
some
types
of
inputs
that
would
be
considered
here,
for
example,
proximity
to
cycling
facilities
or
transit
stations
and
employment
density,
as
well
as
population
density
or
symbols
and
clips.
We
can
also
factor
in
existing
bike
parking
to
add
an
extra
layer
of
context,
we'll
need
to
continue
to
develop
things,
but
the
demand
map
on
the
right
is
an
example
of
one
of
the
potential
outputs
of
the
index
tool.
J
H
J
Is
a
list
of
some
of
the
supporting
measures
that
come
out
of
the
strategy
that
have
some
action
action
tied
to
them?
So
these
came
out
of
some
great
research
into
what
other
cities
were
doing
and
the
strategy
outlines
how
they
would
best
fit
within
the
context
of
ottawa.
These
touch
on
different
ways
to
access
better
information
and
improve
options
and
availability,
for
example,
secure
bike
parking
is,
is
one
of
the
supporting
measures
that
we
are
looking
to
implement.
J
Oc
transpo
is
launching
their
bike
secure
program
at
four
transit
stations
this
year,
so
we'll
be
monitoring
that
that
program
closely.
As
we
look
to
implement
secure
bike
parking
in
alignment
with
our
implementation
process,
curbside
management
in
the
short
term
will
be
focused
on
leveraging
and
expanding
the
existing
bike
corral
program
where
that
is
determined
to
be
the
best
option.
Another
example
of
these
supporting
measures
is
business
collaboration,
which
involves
exploring
the
feasibility
of
providing
bike
parking
to
businesses
at
a
reduced
cost.
J
So
these
are
some
additional
innovations
and
considerations
identified
in
the
strategy
that
will
be
a
lens
that
we
use
when
making
decisions
like,
for
example,
accessibility
and
equity.
Some
other
things,
such
as
emerging
bike,
designs
and
micro
mobility
trends
will
be
monitored
and
factored
in
as
we
move
forward.
There
are
a
number
of
recommendations
coming
out
of
these
supporting
measures
which
are
identified
within
the
strategy.
For
example,
one
recommendation
that
generated
a
lot
of
positive
feedback
was
to
explore
options
to
increase
by
parking
at
events
next
slide.
Please.
J
We
look
forward
to
developing
the
public
bike
parking
program,
so
developing
the
strategy
has
been
a
great
process
and
we
owe
a
great
deal
of
thanks
to
our
internal
partners.
Their
input
has
been
crucial
to
developing
this.
We
look
forward
to
ongoing
collaboration
as
we
move
forward
with
implementation.
Next
slide.
J
We
anticipate
a
phased
approach,
starting
in
2021,
where
we'll
be
starting
some
of
the
initiatives
and
addressing
some
of
the
immediate
gaps
in
subsequent
years,
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
put
it
in
place.
Some
additional
measures,
for
example,
we'll
be
piloting,
secure
bike
parking
locations
by
2022
and
by
2023
we'll
be
looking
at
other
initial
initiatives
like
event,
bike
parking
and
business
collaboration.
J
Budget
requirements
for
2022
and
onwards
will
be
identified
as
part
of
the
budget
process
and
staff
will
advise
counsel
on
the
status
of
the
implementation
plan
through
the
parking
services
annual
report,
which
is
typically
presented
to
council
in
q2
of
each
year,
and
so
that
wraps
up
the
public
bike
parking
strategy
piece
so
I'll
hand.
Things
back
to
scott
to
speak
to
the
bike
share.
J
I
Hey
brandon
so
when
the
e-scooter
pilot
was
being
discussed
in
june
of
2020
staff
were
asked
to
look
further
into
bike
share
options.
So
within
ottawa
we
have
some
history
with
bike
share,
most
recently
in
2018,
but
the
efforts
and
staff
investments
to
this
point
have
not
resulted
in
any
type
of
sustainable
or
long-term
option.
Taking
root.
I
Stantec
also
supported
this
review,
which
was
independent
of
the
development
of
the
public
by
parking
strategy.
Different
models
were
considered,
as
were
the
different
types
of
fight
share.
There
are
a
number
of
examples
to
look
to
in
other
municipalities
such
as
toronto
and
hamilton
montreal,
as
well
as
american
cities
like
washington
and
philadelphia,
and
determining
if
this
is
something
that
ottawa
should
move
forward
on.
There
were
various
things
were
taken
into
consideration,
including
costs
and
the
status
of
the
existing
e-scooter
pilot.
Thanks.
I
So
the
review
of
bike
share
models
considered
four
options:
a
city-owned
city
managed
model,
a
city-owned
contractor
managed
model,
a
not-for-profit
business
or
community
entity
and
a
for-profit
business
entity.
Depending
on
the
purpose
of
the
system.
There
were
different
preferred
systems
identified
for
rapid
deployment
and
the
highest
use
areas
of
for-profit
models
most
effective.
However,
in
the
cases
of
both
prioritizing
transit
connectivity
and
ensuring
a
sustainable
approach,
a
city-owned
contractor
managed
model
is
consistent
with
the
approach
taken
by
other
cities.
I
So
while
it
has
recognized
that
there
are
potential
benefits
to
expanding
micro
mobility
options,
the
current
conditions
do
not
support
moving
forward
at
this
time.
From
a
cost
perspective,
the
level
of
investment
to
initiate
and
support
a
city-owned
and
contractor-managed
model
would
be
significant.
I
I
I
This
means
that
there
would
be
an
ongoing
requirement
for
a
portion
of
the
cost
to
be
subsidized
by
the
municipality,
given
the
level
of
required
investment.
The
current
status
of
the
e-scooter
pilot
existing
financial
pressures
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic
and
the
expected
allocation
of
funds
in
support
of
implementing
this
public
bike
parking
strategy.
It
is
not
deemed
to
be
a
good
time
to
proceed
with
this
as
an.
I
I
thanks
so
when
wrapping
things
up
so
this
is
presented
as
a
last
slide
to
capture
what
the
bike
parking
strategy
will
mean
for
cyclists
and
residents
at
first
and
hopefully
most.
Obviously,
we
expect
there
to
be
more
available
bike
parking
through
additional
facilities,
higher
capacity
facilities
and
through
freeing
up
space
by
way
of
addressing
things
like
abandoned
bikes.
I
We
are
expecting
a
greater
degree
of
consistency
and
on
alignment
with
city
principles
and
objectives
related
to
things
like
cycling,
infrastructure
and
urban
design,
that
better
alignment
will
help
to
facilitate
the
process
of
con
contacting
the
city
on
bike
parking
related
matters,
a
higher
profile
and
single
single
intake
point
for
things
like
a
new
rack
or
reporting
maintenance
or
abandoned
bikes,
and
we
also
want
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
are
pushing
actively
pushing
information
out
to
residents
to
support
them
in
their
decision-making
process
and
remove
their
barriers
to
cycling.
So,
thank
you
again.
A
C
E
C
A
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
Annual
memberships
are
129
dollars
recently
april,
4th
and
5th
both
those
days
recorded
just
under
1700
trips
and
that's
the
equivalent
to
every
bike
in
their
fleet
out
for
a
ride
that
day
in
montreal.
This
is
the
largest
system
in
north
america,
with
close
to
9
000
bikes,
660
stations,
a
99
annual
membership.
L
on
april,
4th
they
recorded
10
222
rides,
that's
the
equivalent
to
every
bike
in
their
fleet
out
for
one
and
a
half
trips
with
these
numbers,
demonstrating
how
successful
publicly
funded
bike
share
is
in
canada.
How
can
ottawa
afford
not
to
have
a
bike
share
system
to
make
our
city
more
livable?
Thank
you
very
much.
A
G
Sorry
I
was
melding
duck
for
those
on
youtube
good
morning.
Dave
thanks
for
thanks
for
being
here
and
obviously
you're
preaching
to
the
converted.
In
my
case,
I
do
want
to
play
devil's
advocate
for
a
couple
of
minutes
and
throw
three
statements
at
you
and
hear
how
bike
ottawa
reacts.
I
guess
the
first
thing
that
people
ask
is
we've
tried
by
chair
in
ottawa.
It
didn't
work.
Why
would
the
city
step
in
how
does
bike
ottawa
react
to
that.
L
You
know
you're
not
going
to
get
people
building
habits
and
behaviors
if
they
can't
make
convenient
connections
as
part
of
a
public
transportation
system.
You
know,
there's
there's
got
to
be
those
stations
around
in
close
proximity
to
make
it
convenient.
Once
you
do
that,
then
you
get
the
ridership.
G
It's
I
agree
with
you
that
there
has
to
be
scale
in
order
to
work.
If
I
understand-
or
I
think
we
have
slightly
different
numbers,
but
my
understanding,
the
city
bike
is
up
to
12
000
bikes
in
new
york
city
toronto's
got
7,
000
montreal's
got
7
000,
and,
and
this
means
that
people
are
able
to
find
a
bike
near
them
in
a
in
a
convenient
fashion,
and
that's
so
critical.
Second
devil's
advocate
statement.
Not
everyone
can
ride
a
bike.
L
I
think
it's
it's
a
trend
that
I've
noticed
personally
when
I'm
out
out
cycling
the
past
number
of
years.
I've
really
seen
a
a
shift
in
the
different
age
groups
of
lcs,
and
one
thing
that
I
sort
of
noticed
is
that
a
lot
of
maybe
older
people
that
are
cycling
are
using
e-bikes
and
it
just
adds
that
that
little
extra
help
to
to
get
where
you're
you're
going,
you
know
heels,
become
less
of
an
issue
you
can
just
you
know,
fly
up
those
hills
without
any
extra
effort.
L
G
I
call
ess
bikes
the
the
kind
of
the
valium
of
cycling
because
it
just
kind
of
takes
the
edge
off
they're
they're,
a
joy
to
ride,
there's
any
number
of
accessible
bikes
as
well.
For
example
tricycles
that
could
be
part
of
a
a
bike
program.
You
don't
necessarily
need
to
be
able
to
ride
a
two-wheel
bike
in
order
to
take
advantage
of
a
well
thought
out
thoughtful
program.
My
final
devil's
advocate
statement
to
you
dave
is:
we
have
scooters.
L
I
don't
know
if,
if
everyone's
going
to
be
comfortable
using
scooters,
you
know
but
bikes
have
been
around
for
a
long
time,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
us
can
say
we
rode
bikes
as
kids,
even
if
we
haven't
ridden
as
adults,
there's
no
reason
why
we
can't
get
back
on
board.
It
doesn't
mean
that
people
can't
use
scooters,
people
can't
use
bikes.
I
think
it's
all
part
of
the
solution
and-
and
the
other
thing
is
is
distance-
you
know
is-
is
scooters.
L
G
G
L
You
know
I
I
think
these
these
are
very
reasonable
in
price.
You
know
you
break
that
down
and
that's
like
ten
dollars
a
month.
You
know
our.
You
know
our
publicly
funded
transportation
system
here
in
ottawa.
You
know
places
are
going
up
all
the
time
and
this
starts
knocking
down
a
lot
of
barriers
where
people
can
get
where
they
need
to
go
when
they
need
to
go.
I
know
personally,
I
work
their
shift
work
schedule
and
you
know,
while
I
I
did
love
taking
the
line
to
train
to
my
work.
L
M
Thanks
very
much
chair
thanks
for
being
here
dave
just
another.
Maybe
devil's
advocate
point
as
well:
around
winter
use
and
scooters
versus
bikes
in
the
winter,
for
example,
are
the
are
the
programs
that
you've
been
looking
at
for
bike
share,
also
used
in
the
winter,
and
is
there
take
up
in
the
winter?
For
those
bike
shares,
for
example,
in
toronto
and
other
areas.
L
Vancouver
is
year
round.
Of
course
they
don't
have
have
a
similar
climate
as
we
do.
Toronto
is
maybe
a
little
bit
more
mild,
but
they
do
go
year
round,
as
I
mentioned,
they
do
actually
have
studded
tires
on
their
bikes
too,
which
is,
in
my
opinion,
is
a
huge
advantage
within
any
icy
conditions.
It
just
removes
that
barrier
completely,
you
know
and
then
you
can
say,
look
at
boston's
system.
You
know
same
thing
too
they're
running
year-round.
L
K
L
I
think
that
the
suburbs
for
cycling
is
low
fruit.
I
think
it's
very
common
to
think
of
you
know.
The
suburbs
have
been
built
around
the
automobile,
but
one
thing
that
the
suburbs
have
that
the
downtown
doesn't
have
is
space,
and
so
it's
much
easier
to
build
cycling
infrastructure
and,
in
my
opinion,
it's
you
know
it's
going
to
be
that
much
easier
to
to
get
people
to
those
lrt
stations.
K
So
you're,
looking
at
it
primarily
as
a
a
mode
of
transportation
to
transit,
you're,
not
thinking
that
the
bikes
would
cyclists,
would
come
from
the
suburbs
to
to
and
cycle
downtown.
There
wouldn't
be
a
great
number
of
people
who
would
be
willing
to
do
that,
but
get
to
transit.
That's
the
primary
source.
L
Yeah
right,
I
I
think
it's
it's
more
multimodal
transit.
One
thing
with
bike
shares
is
there's
typically
a
time
limit
for
each
ride,
so
30
minutes
is,
is
pretty
common
where
you
have
to
get
from
station
to
station.
If
you're
dealing
with
a
system
that
actually
has
stations,
there's
other
models
that
that
are
dockless,
so
so
30
minutes
it's
getting
to
that
next
station,
and
then
you
can
very
easily
switch
out
bikes
and
continue
your
ride
so
so
making
those
longer
trips,
probably
not
something
for
for.
N
K
A
Great
great,
thank
you,
I'm
looking
at
the
board,
I
think
we're
cutting
your
free
dave,
but
thanks
for
coming
out
and
speaking
to
us
today.
Thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
it
at
this
point.
I
am
going
to
go
questions
to
staff,
but
just
prior
to
that
counselor
menard
and
forgive
me,
I
just
got
it
right
right
now,
kelly
if
you
can
put
up.
I
guess
it's
a
additional
motion
that
he
has
on
the
screen.
M
It's
a
it's
a
direction
to
staff
chair.
I
can
do
it
during
my
my
time
or
I
can
sure
if
you
want
me
to
do
it
now,
and
it's
that
staff
continue
to
look
at
options
to
fund
bike
share
in
ottawa
as
a
critical
transportation
link
to
ottawa's
new
lrt
and
ensure
continuity
on
the
work
done
to
date,
while
allowing
time
for
the
bike
parking
strategy
to
be
implemented
and
provide
additional
insight
on
the
status
of
the
parking
reserve
and
funding
commitments.
A
M
Don't
mind
anybody,
okay,
whenever
you'd
like
chair,
so
I'll
go
first,
if
you'd
like
or
thanks
sean
okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
staff
a
big
thank
you
and
congratulations,
it's
great
to
see
all
the
work
done
on
the
bar
bike.
Parking
strategy.
They've
really
done
a
good
job
here
and
and
in
my
briefings
with
them.
I've
answered
my
questions
about
it:
we're
seeing
more
and
more
people
use
bikes
as
a
kind
of
primary
or
regular
transportation
mode,
as
well
as
for
regu
recreation.
M
It's
the
fastest
growing
mode
of
transportation
in
ottawa.
So
as
that
grows
proper
bike
infrastructure,
including
parking,
is
going
to
be
important.
So
thanks
to
staff
having
that
one
window
where
you
can
kind
of
request
it
through
scott's
office
and
others
that'll
be
really
helpful.
I'm
looking
forward
to
it
unfolding
on
the
on
the
bike
share
program.
I
I
also
wanted
to
say
thanks
for
staff,
for
looking
into
the
potential
for
for
bike
share
in
ottawa.
M
I
think
the
issue
we're
coming
into
now
is
well.
How
do
we
get
this
started
in
ottawa?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
proceed
with
with
this?
Given
what
we're
spending
on
lrt
to
get
that
started?
How
do
we
make
sure
people
can
get
to
it
in
all
areas
of
the
city?
So
I
have
a
few
questions
share
for
staff.
The
first
one
is
is:
can
staff
confirm
that
a
city
bike
share
could
benefit
and
be
deployed
in
both
urban
and
suburban
communities
in
ottawa?.
I
The
work
that's
been
done
to
this
point
is
only
you
know,
part
of
any
potential
future
solution
and
and
identifying
the
the
the
details
around
what
bike
share
might
be
looking
at
other
models.
You
know
there
certainly
is
precedent
to
suggest
that
it
could
be
both,
but
this
is
a
big
part
of
what
we
would
need
to
what
we
don't
know
right
now.
I
M
Okay-
and
I
think
we
had
talked
about
a
fleet
size
initially
of
700,
which
could
cover
some
areas
of
the
city,
and
I
just
want
to
confirm
if
staff
can
confirm
that
we've
we've,
you
know
if
we
found
the
money
to
do
this,
which
seems
to
be
the
biggest
obstacle
at
this
point,
sounds
like
staff
would
like
to
do
this.
It
sounds
like
they'd
like
to
have
it
in
in
the
city,
but
but
that
funding
is
is
the
biggest
issue.
M
I
Certainly,
that's
one
of
the
benefits
of
of
a
bike
share,
but
again
the
the
extent
to
which
that
benefit
could
be
realized.
That's
all
those
are
all
things
that
we
would
need
to
explore
further.
We
know
from
other
cities
that
that
is
how
bike
share
can
be
used
and
how
that
can
apply
to
ottawa.
Getting
our
general
geography
and
translate
would
need
to
be
further
investigated.
M
Absolutely
and
that
that's
kind
of
the
purpose
of
that
direction
is
to
keep
that
direction
going
and
investigation
going.
So
I
appreciate
that
on
the
on
the
funding
plea
piece
which
I
understand
is
the
real
issue:
it's
mostly
the
initial
four
million
dollar
startup
cost.
That
I
understand
is
the
bigger
issue
and
that
for
other
bike
shares
that
have
been
reviewed,
the
costs
usually
end
up
being
recovered
up
to
80
85
on
average,
so
our
yearly
operational
costs
could
be
fairly
minimal.
M
I
I
C
C
At
this
time,
we
would
have
to
redirect
resources
into
a
bike
share
program
and
look
at
what
would
fall
off
the
plates,
but
I
think
really,
the
focus
at
this
time
would
be
on
the
bike
parking
strategy,
and
you
know
certainly
as
as
time
goes
on,
if
you
know
we'll
get
together
with
our
colleagues
and
transportation
committee
and
see
what
something
like
this
could
look
at.
But
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
you
know
resources
are
an
issue
and
it's
also
a
case
of
priorities
when
it
comes
to
funding.
M
Thanks
very
much
chair
and
yeah,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
go
through
some
of
the
different
sources
of
funding
that
could
that
could
help
with
that
operational
requirement
and
mostly
the
capital
funds
up
front
totally
get
we
want
to
roll
out
that
parking
strategy
bike
parking
strategy
over
the
next
couple
of
years,
which
is
great,
would
a
a
program
like
for
capital
cost
for
bike
share,
qualify
for
federal
dollars
that
have
been
earmarked
for
last
mile
connectivity
last
mile
transit
connectivity.
Would
that
be
something
that
would
qualify
under
the
capital
programming
funding.
C
N
Chair,
the
federal
announced,
active
transportation
program
hasn't
defined
the
parameters
as
yet,
but
typically
they
are
looking
for
additions,
infrastructure
additions
to
the
network
rather
than
something
like
a
bike
share
program.
But
you
know
I
we
don't
have
the
parameters
as
yet
for
that
program.
M
M
A
G
Sorry
about
that
good
morning
and
also
to
staff.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
bike
parking
strategy.
I'm
I'm
really
encouraged
to
hear
about
a
one-stop
shop
approach
to
bike
parking.
It
can
be
really
frustrating
from
the
counselor's
office
perspective,
sometimes
to
try
to
figure
out
who's
going
to
put
which
parking
in
or
maintain
it
and
having.
G
The
single
intake
is
going
to
be
extremely
helpful
moving
forward,
and
I
think
you've
heard
as
well
the
the
priorities
that
people
in
ottawa
have
for
their
bike
parking
and
I'm,
I,
I
think
that's
going
to
be
useful
guidance
as
as
the
program
rolls
out
no
surprise.
I
did
want
to
ask
a
couple
of
questions
about
the
bike
share.
G
I
guess
the
first
question
I
had
was
counselor
menard
provided
the
direction
back
in
june
to
take
a
look
at
you
know,
bike
sharing
and
the
options
staff
have
actually
come
out
and
made
a
recommendation
in
this
report
not
to
proceed
with
it.
I'm
wondering
why
staff
took
that
additional
step
of
not
just
describing
what
the
implications
of
bike
sharing
would
be,
but
that
you
know
we
should
actually
not
proceed
with
it.
I
G
It's
it's
tough
for
me
to
talk
to
some
of
the
stakeholders
out
there
in
the
community
who
are
advocates
of
bike
sharing
because
it
it
it
sounds
to
them
like
the
city
is
opposed
to
bike
sharing,
and
I
I
think
that
that
is
the
result
of
a
recommendation
that
you
know.
Staff
were
not
asked
to
make,
and
that
really
is
council's
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
it
wants
to
proceed
with
with
a
program
like
that.
Can
I
just
get
some
clarity.
G
I
mean
it's
it's
really
in
council's
hands,
based
on
some
of
the
information
that
you've
given
us
to
determine
whether
or
not
we
want
to
move
forward
with
with
a
bike
share
and
it's
up
to
counselors,
to
make
motions
at
budget
and
and
to
have
that
discussion
at
budget
time.
What
are
the
additional
pieces
of
information
that
you
would
need
to
determine
the
financial
sustainability
of
a
of
a
bike
sharing
program
in
ottawa.
I
Chair
we,
we
have
at
least
electronics,
said
from
a
cursory
perspective,
the
research
that
has
been
done.
That
gives
us
a
good
starting
point
to,
and
we've
talked
about,
the
financial
impacts
from
both
a
an
investment
perspective
and
an
ongoing
operating
perspective,
and
I
think
that
that
gives
us
it
gives
us
a
good
perspective
to
work
off
of
and
and
to
clarify
that.
However,
we
can
to
to
figure
out
exactly
what
the
cost
would
be
again.
G
One
of
the
things
I
I
did
not
see
in
the
report
was
what
the
expected
operational
deficit
might
be
per
year,
because
we
know
that
there
would
be
offsetting
revenues,
presumably
from
sponsorship,
but
a
large
amount
of
revenue
coming
in
operationally
from
user
fees
as
well.
So
is
that
is
that
something
you
feel
you
have
a
good
handle
on
what
that
deficit
might
be.
I
C
Sheriff
before
it
gets
the
viva,
I
just
wanted
to
go
on
record
to
say
that
staff
are
not
against
the
bike
share
program,
so
I
hope
that,
and
certainly
the
counselor
is
right.
It
is
up
to
council
to
make
those
decisions
with
all
the
information
in
front
of
them
and,
as
I
said
previously,
I
think
you
know
to
satisfy
the
direction
we
took
a
cursory
look.
We
would
need
to
take
a
more
substantial
look
at
a
bike
share
program
before
council
would
be
informed
to
make
that
type
of
a
decision.
N
So
chair,
I'd
like
to
re
to
remind
everyone
that
our
transportation
master
plan
and
our
cycling
plan
have
policies
in
place
already
that
support
a
bike
share
program.
It
does
not
speak
to
ownership,
so
if
the
tmp
and
our
master
plans
are
about
the
what
not,
how
it's
implemented
so
with
that
the
policy
you
know
we,
we
agree
that
anything
that
is
done
to
promote
cycling
is
beneficial
and
that's
why
we
have
those
policies
that
council
approved.
G
N
This
is
for
would
be
for
people
who
don't
own
a
bike
so
that
they
have
access
to
another
mode
of
transportation
at
our
transit
stations.
We
already
have
bike
parking
and
with
this
bike,
parking
strategy
that
will
be
augmented,
where
the
plan
will
roll
out
to
ensure
that
there's
multi-modal
mobility
at
our
transit
stations.
N
G
Okay,
I
I
will
leave
it
there.
I
I
believe
that
you
know
these
are
the
sort
of
discussions
that
council
needs
to
have
information
about,
and
I'm
really
pleased
to
have
that
information
in
this
report,
but
that
really
the
recommendation
or
or
impetus
to
explore,
actually
implementing
a
bike
share,
should
come
from
from
council
chair
I'll
leave
it
there.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair
good
morning.
Everyone-
and
I
too,
want
to
to
thank
scott.
I
know
he's
been
on
a
number
of
walkabouts
with
me
and
rito
street
byron
market
and
some
of
the
spots.
So
I
certainly
happy
to
see
the
fundamentals
come
to
play.
I
do
have
a
number
of
questions
on
on
the
bike
parking
strategy.
O
Just
so
I'm
clear
in
the
report
we
talked
about
eleven
thousand
state
bike
parking
spaces
that
are
available,
and
you
know
there's
a
number
there's
a
number
of
them
that
they'd
be
ncc
or
that
it
they'd,
be.
You
know
a
specific
park
or
velocity
bike
rack.
So
could
we
get
clarity
on
on
what
that
number
is
just
for
from
a
data
point
of
view,
just
what
does
that
11
000
entail.
I
Absolutely
so
chair
that
11
000
is
as
a
roll
up
of
the
sidewalk
ring
and
post
bike
parking,
the
velocity
bike
parking
as
well
as
anybody
parking
we
have
at
parks
and
our
city
facilities
and
in
our
bright
corrals
on
street.
So
it's
all
those
all
that
bike
parking
that
we
offer
on
within
the
public
right
away.
O
The
there's
a
mention
in
the
report
about
the
intention
of
collaboration
with
businesses.
It
can
be,
it
can
mean
a
lot
of
things
and
you
and
I
in
the
past
have
talked
about
secured
areas.
So
could
you
maybe
speak
to
what
does
the
report
mean
when
it
says
trying
to
find
ways
to
collaborate
with
businesses.
I
I
It
means
we
can
also
work
with
businesses
to
introduce
and
provide
bike
parking
in
a
broader
area,
so
in
front
of
a
store
in
a
grocery
store
or
a
storefront
on
a
main
street,
and
it
could
be
expanded
as
well.
I
mean
the
same
type
of
approach
could
be
applied
when
dealing
with
schools
or
the
ncc,
or
there's
lots
of
different
possibilities
there,
but
it's
more
so
intended
to
reflect
providing
more
the
unsecured,
multi-ring
or
ring
and
post
type
bike
parking.
O
I
Yeah,
I
think,
I
think,
there's
lots
of
opportunities
to
explore
unsecured
bike
parking.
I
think
that's
a
big
big
deficit
for
us
right
now
and
and
providing
that
option
for
cyclists
in
ottawa.
We
certainly
have
some
ideas.
I
know,
with
respect
to
getting
involved
in
secure
bike
parking
leveraging,
some
of
our
existing
facilities,
whether
it
be
parking,
garages
or
parks.
You
know
that
type
of
thing
and
we're
looking
forward
to
getting
into
that.
I
mean
to
your
example
counselor.
I
That
is
something
that
I
think
would
would
fall
within
that
net
right
and
it's
something
that
we
could
we
could
explore.
I
mean
obviously
funding
and
priority
comes
into
play,
but
I
I
would
look
at
that.
Less
was
a
collaboration
opportunity
and,
more
so
as
an
opportunity
to
expand
our
secure
bike
parking
network.
O
O
Okay,
the
one
of
the
things
are
the
anomalies
in
the
report,
and
it's
unfortunate
we
have
to
talk
about
it,
but
bike
theft
is
is
something
that
we
hear
off
about
often
I
I
know
we're
talking
about
bike
parking,
which
is
you
know,
the
the
the
space
to
leave
a
bike
safely,
but
but
I
feel
it's,
it
misses
one
component,
which
is
when
you
leave
your
bike
and
you
lock
it
up.
You
also
want
to
make
sure
that
when
you
come
back
it's
there,
so
can
you
maybe
give
some
some
insights?
O
I
Certainly
chair
the
one
of
the
the
key
points
and
we
looked
at
you
know.
This
strategy
considers
a
placement
of
bike
parking
and
what
types
of
bike
parking
and,
and
one
of
things
that
came
off
you
know,
through
our
consultations
and-
and
it's
reflected
in
the
strategy-
is
this
need
to
account
for
security
right.
So
there's
three
key
things:
we
want
to
account
for
security,
convenience
and
the
impacts
of
winter
maintenance.
O
So
we
had
a
bike
share.
We
had
a
number
of
bike
sharing.
We
had
the
ncc
partnership
over
the
years
with
the
big
seat
that
didn't
work.
Then
we
had
the
right
bike:
the
purple
bikes
that
were
around
in
the
neighborhood.
What
happened
to
those,
because,
ultimately
those
were
a
physical
asset.
I
think
it
was
led
by
causeway,
where
we
must.
We
must
have
supported
that
financ.
That
effort
financially.
I
O
But
not
at
this
point
is
that
fair
to
say,
because
I
I'm
unclear
there
was
emotion
brought
that
was
a
direction
and
then
the
report
states
something
that
we're
not
pursuing
it.
But
where
does
that
leave
us
legislatively?
Are
we
if,
if
there
was
opportunities,
councilman
al
talked
about
other
funding,
pockets
or
so
on?
If
that
was
to
come
to
be,
would
we
have
to
bring
a
motion
again
to
to
reinstate
council's
will
or
or
or
is
that
sort
of
understood
until
a
business
case
is
brought.
O
I
O
I
O
I
guess
I
would
ask
that
a
decision
on
bike
sharing
sort
of
not
be
concluded
today
that
we
have
a
staff
report.
That
is
the
bike
parking
strategy
that
we
advance,
that
I
think
it's
a
solid
report,
as
I
think
all
members
have
said,
but
I
I
wouldn't
be
comfortable
in
in
advancing
a
firm
position
on
that,
because
I
think
we
have
to
leave
ourselves
open
to
opportunities
that
that
might
that
might
happen.
Could
you
clarify
that
that
be
a
a
direction
or
clarification
in
the
final
report.
A
Sorry
counselor,
when
we
get
to
a
few
more,
we
have
a
few
more
people
to
speak
here,
but
but
on
that
we
do
have
a
report
in
front
of
us.
I
think
it's
very
clear
that,
and
it's
been
raised
a
few
times:
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
just
the
dollars,
unfortunately,
but
I
think
we've
also
heard
from
dv
and-
and
I
see
aliens
unmuted
there
too.
If
opportunities
do
come
back,
everything
does
have
to
come
back
to
council.
A
So
I'm
I'm
not
really
clear
on
what
you're
looking
for,
because
I
think
councillor
menard's
motion
continues
the
efforts
in
the
background.
But
again
it
is
always
a
full
decision
of
council.
It
would
have
to
come
back
to
us
and
they
would
have
to
have
that
type
of
report
and
and
I'm
looking
at
lan,
would
that
be
a
fair
assessment.
L
Point
that
kevin
made
was
that
the
reports
did
not
imply
that
we're
against
bike
share
we're
not
against
by
share
it's
just
an
overall
context
of
basically
what
the
council
direction
has
been
today,
we're
related
to
advancing
the
park,
cycling,
infrastructure
and
the
bike
parking
strategy,
that's
what
we're
delivering
to
council
and
that's
kind
of
the
current
focus,
but
we're
certainly
not
discounting
bike
share
as
being
a
future
opportunity.
So
the
fact
that
we
provided
a
recommendation
shouldn't
change
the
fact
that
it
shouldn't
imply
that,
basically,
that
staff
are
against
it.
H
Thank
you
webshare
and
thank
you
for
it
for
this
report,
and
you
know
I
understand
the
point
that
is
being
made
around
bike
share
with
pandemic
and
pandemic
costs
and
trying
to
prioritize
all
the
things
that
we
need
to
look
at.
I
don't
necessarily
really
agree
with
the
point
about
e-scooters
being
well
we're
in
that
lane.
H
Now
so
we're
going
to
go
down
that
because
I
actually
see
e-scooters
as
a
little
bit
more
of
a
novelty
and
a
little
bit
more
downtown
centered
opportunity
than
a
bike
share
that
I
think,
could
roll
out
across
the
city.
So
I
I
don't
think
they're
the
same
and
I
don't
think
they're
mutually
exclusive,
and
I
don't
think
because
we're
looking
at
east
voters
this
year
that
it
necessarily
prohibits
us
looking
at
bike
share.
H
So
I
guess
a
couple
of
questions
on
bike
share
and
one
is:
could
we
or
have
we
considered
an
opportunity
for
some
sort
of
naming
rights
on
a
program
because
I
actually
think
if
you
have
hundreds
or
thousands
of
bikes
spread
out
around
the
city
and
they
could
be
branded
that
there's
a
value
in
that
and
we
might
be
able
to
raise
part
or
all
of
the
capital
costs
of
that
program
through
a
naming
rights.
Opportunity.
So
is
that
something
that
has
been
considered.
H
Right,
okay!
Well,
I
think
I
think
we
should
look
at
that,
like
I
think
we
should
in
the
background,
if
not
the
forefront
at
least
be
exploring
what
opportunities
are
available,
and
I
think
we
should
look
at
some
sort
of
naming
rights,
and
I
I
mean
I
guess
I
thought
of
sponsorship
a
little
differently,
but
I
think
of
a
branding
opportunity
might
raise
some
capital
dollars
that
would
be
needed.
H
The
other
thing
that
I
would
like
you
to
continue
to
look
at
in
terms
of
a
bike
share
program
is
the
opportunity
to
like
hamilton,
did
remove
barriers
for
people
in
communities
for
cycling.
I
think
of
the
word
that
I
represent
hetherington
area,
where
we're
always
trying
to
get
free
bikes
for
kids,
and
I
think
if
we
had
a
robust
bike
sharing
program,
we
could
probably
use
you
know
passes
like
the
book,
give
them
to
the
boys
and
girls
club
for
opportunities
for
kids
to
use
the
bike
shares.
E
E
Montreal
they've
both
had
record
years
recently
and
they
have
been
expanding
and
they've
added
new
stations
and
and
increased
riderships,
and
even
added
e-bikes,
like
I,
I
think
in
terms
of
overall
mobility
goals
and
how
it
integrates
with
transit.
Specifically,
we
talk
a
lot
about
the
last
mile
and
the
final
or
final
kilometer
in
in
canadian
terms
of
how
to
get
people
from
transit
stations
to
their
homes,
especially
in
a
suburban
context,
is
where
I'm
thinking
and
I
think
sometimes
we.
E
We
look
at
really
complicated
ways
to
do
that:
driverless
vehicles
or
or
a
new
shuttle
system
when
we
actually
could
have
some
very
simple
tools
and
technologies
like
a
bike
share
that
could
accomplish
the
same
thing.
I
think
the
capital
expense
we've
heard
could
come
from
the
parking
reserve,
the
operating
at
three
million
dollars.
Three
three
million
dollars
initially
could
be
recovered
through
user
fees
and
sponsorships,
which
would
leave
a
very
small
cost.
I
do
really
appreciate
what
staff
is
telling
us,
so
they
do
not
have
the
resources
right
now.
E
It's
it's
not
necessarily
that
the
top
priority
right
now,
but
I
think
it's
worth
looking
at
the
next
term
of
council
when
we're
setting
priorities
this.
This
could
be
the
way
to
look
at
it
as
a
as
an
option,
then
there's
a
lot
that
staff
have
on
their
plate,
and
I
respect
that,
but
I
I
would
like
to
consider
this
for
for
the
next
term
of
council
as
a
priority.
E
There's
also
the
question:
when
we
do
have
limited
dollars,
are
we
better
to
spend
it
towards
more
safe,
cycling,
cycling,
infrastructure
rather
than
a
bike
share
project,
or
maybe
it's
both,
but
we
still,
we
still
need
to
explore
it.
My
question,
though,
for
for
scott,
I
guess
is
a
lot
of
this
report
is
really
I
see
it
really
focused
on
the
urban
core
and
less
on
the
suburbs.
E
The
state
of
private
and
public
bike
parking
in
the
suburbs
is
pretty
dismal
right
now.
In
fact,
my
team
we've
done
an
inventory
of
local
parks
and
we're
planning
to
use
some
cash
and
you
to
add
bike
parking
to
each
of
our
local
parks
in
stittsville.
I
was
wondering
if
scott
or
or
anyone
else
on
the
staff
could
provide
a
little
bit
of
how
do
you
see
this
bike
parking
strategy
expanding
outside
of
the
core
more
into
suburban
areas
as
well
in
future
years,.
I
Absolutely
jerry
the
the
bike
parking
strategies
intended
to
apply
to
apply
city-wide,
there's
no
intended.
Obviously
we
have
to
you
know
the
inputs
that
we're
going
to
be
using
to
make
our
decisions
are
going
to
be
based
on.
You
know,
where
is
the
largest
demand
or
potential
demand,
but
it
doesn't
preclude
us
necessarily
from
focusing
entirely
on
the
downtown
core
we
in
going
through
the
municipal
product
management
strategy
refresh
in
2019.
E
I
I
F
It's
frustrating
if
you're
in
a
vehicle,
but
I
can
tell
you
if
you're
on
a
bike.
It's
you
know
it's
that
next
level
up.
So
so
I
do.
Thank
you
for
that.
Of
course,
I
am
disappointed
that
the
bike
share
is
not
something
that
we're
contemplating
right
now.
I
think
that
we
should.
I
think
that
is
a
city.
F
I
need
to
reiterate
that
they
just
are
not
a
replacement
for
for
cycling,
doesn't
mean
no
cyclists,
don't
take
a
scooter,
an
electric
scooter.
I
think
our
own
counselor
reaper
is
proof
of
that.
But,
overall,
this
the
electric
scooter
program
as
counselor
dean's,
pointed
out
it's
more
aligned
with
with
uber.
Really
it's.
You
know
it's
it's
a
bit
more,
it's
more
expensive!
F
It's
just
it's
probably
the
same
price
point
as
as
uber,
and
it
it
it
may
even
remove
people
from
transit
at
some
parts
of
the
year,
but
it
certainly
does
not
replace
cycling.
Cycling
is
just
a
different
way
of
of
moving
around
the
city
and
good
conversation
today
around
what
is
required
in
suburban
communities,
because
I
think
that
that
is
really
important.
It
really
is
that
we
we
have
to
concentrate
on
how
do
we
get
people
in
all
of
our
communities?
F
Not
just
downtown,
but
in
all
of
our
communities
and
not
just
get
into
the
downtown
but
around
our
home
neighborhoods,
so
it
it
it
just.
You
know,
though
those
things
are
are
separate
and
on
the
bike
share.
I
know
that
you
you
mentioned.
You
know
velogo
right
bike.
I
was
around
when
they
were
put
in
place
and
you're
right.
They
weren't
successful,
but
they
largely
were
not
successful
because
they
could
not
establish
in
on
city
right
of
way.
F
F
So
by
charging
for
the
right
of
way,
it
meant
that
these
these
bike
share
programs
weren't
established
in
places
where
somebody
who,
at
the
time
they
were
concentrating
the
downtown.
But
somebody
like
to
myself.
I
live
and
work
downtown
and
I
could
never
take
them
because
they
weren't
they
weren't
available
to
me
where
I
needed
them,
and
that
I
think
we
have
to.
We
have
to
be
clear
that
that
was
as
a
result
of
the
city
not
providing
access.
F
F
I
I
I
F
Sure,
and-
and
I
and
I
understand
that
I've
actually
met
with
some
of
those
groups
and
surely,
as
a
council,
we
would
be
able
to
decide
and
we
would
make
good
decisions
around
who
would
get
it
right
away.
Today
we
give
up
our
right-of-way
or
we
we
provide
it
for
patios
like
we.
We
understand,
I
think,
as
a
city,
I
hope
what
that
the
value
of
our
right-of-way
and
we
you
know
before
we
would
give
up
our
transit
way
to
for-profit.
A
F
F
I
will
I'm
gonna,
ask
one
last
question
just
just
again
to
scott:
when
are
we
going
to
be
looking
at
what
point
in
our
master
plans?
Are
we
looking
at
origin
destination
so
that
we
do
have
a
really
clear
picture
of
how
people
need
to
get
around
the
city
in
terms
in
the
suburbs,
in
the
suburban
communities,
our
rural
communities
and
downtown,
so
that
we
do
have
a
clear
understanding
of
how
we
need
to
move
forward
as
a
city
in
our
mobility.
N
The
chair,
I
will
take
that
question
because
it's
about
the
origin
destination
survey
and
it's
linked
to
our
work
that
we're
doing
on
the
trans
transportation
master
plan
update.
As
you
know,
we
were
supposed
to
start.
It
last
fall
because
with
the
pandemic,
you
know
we
were
not
going
to
get
a
normal
condition,
whatever
normal
is
and
and
so
we
will
we're
assessing
that
and
how
we
will
gather
data
for
this
update
if,
if
the
traffic
travel
patterns
don't
stabilize
anytime
soon,
but
we
will
report
back.
N
As
you
know,
I
send
an
update
memo
if
there's
a
change
in
our
tmp
update
schedule.
So
we
will
inform
council
of
that
but
you're
right,
the
od
survey,
it's
a
household
survey
and
that's
the
one
that
helps
us
understand
how
people
are
moving
about,
what
modes
they're
taking
and
and
then
it
helps
us
see.
The
trends
from
past
surveys.
H
F
It
does
it
does,
and
I
I'll
just
add
this
chair.
I
don't
think
I
need
to
go
back
on
because
I
think
I
am
at
the
bottom.
I
just
want
to
add
that
I
think
that
it
is
really
important
for
us
to
have
that
understanding.
I
know
we're
in
a
pandemic.
Things
have
changed,
but
you
know
I.
I
don't
want
to
see
us
waiting
two
three
four
years
to
understand
how
we
move
around
the
city.
So
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you
councillor.
I
think
your
points
have
been
captured
so
on
this
item.
I
just
want
to
say:
there's
no
more
speakers
on
the
board.
I
want
to
thank
staff.
This
has
been
a
long
time
coming
thanks
scott
to
thanks
our
stantec
people.
You
put
a
lot
of
work
into
this
normalizing
or
bike
parking,
as
councilor
mckinney
mentioned,
there's
nothing
worse
than
when
you
don't
have
a
spot
to
lock
up,
let's
face
it.
Some
of
these
bicycles
are
getting
quite
expensive
these
days.
A
A
Forgive
me
directions
no
votes
great
and
on
the
actual
base
motion
itself.
Is
that
item
carried
in
the
report
on
to
you
know
I
did
forget
and
kelly's
trying
to
keep
me
in
line
here.
Apologies
as
I
was
running
through
the
agenda,
I
was
supposed
to
say
confirmation
of
minutes
from
march
3rd.
Is
that
item
received
receive
okay?
Thank
you.
So
I'll
jump
on
to
item
number
three,
I
believe
kelly
were
on
the
motion
about
hydro
wire,
bearing
on
hawthorne
avenue.
A
A
B
Perfect
happy
too,
and
so
I'm
working
with
george
and
the
team
here
today.
I
had
some
concerns
with
respect
to
this
motion
and,
namely,
it
is
about
ensuring
that
the
policy
is
the
current
policy
is
applied
equitably
across
our
city
and
those
concerns
stem
from
the
fact
that
my
community,
back
in
2010
under
our
previous
counselor
marianne
wilkinson,
was
subject
to
a
10-year
levy
in
a
similar
circumstance
where
there
was,
I
believe
it
was
10.
B
B
So
my
concern
is
that
the
policy
as
it
stands
today
and,
as
I
understand
through
reading
the
report,
does
not
support
the
barrel.
Does
not
meet
the
conditions
of
hydro
burial
for
hawthorn,
and
you
know
in
my
mind
the
purpose
of
a
special
area
levy
is
that
the
residents,
the
the
taxpayers,
I
should
say
in
that
area-
have
to
pay
for
a
service
that
is
not
available
citywide
and
that's
what
my
community
did
to
bury
our
polls.
B
So
all
that
to
say
that's
where
my
consent,
my
concerns,
stem
from
again
in
reading
the
policy
I
know
there
is,
there
is
a
desire
to
review
the
policy.
I
believe
it
is
next
year,
but
as
it
stands,
we
have
a
policy
in
place
and
I
think
that
we
should
be
following
it,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
applying
it
actively
across
the
city.
A
C
No
problem,
mr
chair,
be
it
resolve
that
this
item
to
be
referred
to
council
for
consideration
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
staff
and
finance
services
to
work
was
counselor
minar.
Between
now
and
the
april,
14
council
meeting
to
assess
the
visibility
of
a
special
area
levy
and
capital
ward
to
fund
the
burial
of
hydro
wires
on
on
hawthorne
avenue,
estimated
cost
between
1.1
million
and
1.7.
A
A
H
P
P
What
we
are
seeking
to
do
today
in
our
approach
is
to
inform
the
committee
of
past
concerns
raised
by
the
main
street
road
safety
audit
by
bike
ottawa
by
our
own
community
association
and
finally,
in
the
public
advisory
committee
sessions
sponsored
by
the
city's
own
senior
project
manager
for
the
major
reconstruction
of
greenfield
maine
and
hawthorne.
Can
we
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please
kelly.
P
P
P
These
are
direct
quotes
taken
from
the
official
plan
and
from
the
new
draft
op
counselors.
What
we
are
seeking
are
equity
and
safety.
We
wrote
to
the
mayor
in
january
about
outcomes
from
the
last
public
advisory
committee
meeting
left
a
range
of
safety
and
security
concerns
not
dealt
with
this
motion
from
councillor.
P
P
Hawthorne
has
a
relatively
narrower
right
of
way
and
making
space
available
for
safe,
sidewalks
and
cycling
lanes
is
really
becoming
a
challenge
for
the
project
management.
Team
hawthorne
is
the
main
link
between
elgin
and
main
street
and
should
be
revitalized
like
elgin,
that
is
without
poles,
and
this
is
not
the
same
old
hawthorne
now
with
thousands
of
new
residents
at
grace
during
graystones
and
corners
at
maine,
where
we're
trying
to
encourage
them
to
take
up
active
transport
next
slide.
Please
so
there'll
be
two
slides
about
the
advantage.
P
P
P
You
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
kelly,
so
the
incremental
cost.
We
know
we've
heard
some
estimates.
The
original
hydro
estimate
for
elgin
was
eight
million
dollars
after
the
review,
and
we
actually
see
what
came
through.
The
cost
was
closer
to
three
million
dollars
which
included
property
connections
and
hydro
ottawa
paid.
Half
of
that.
P
This
is
a
one
once
in
a
lifetime
opportunity.
The
entire
roadway
is
being
reconstructed,
as
are
the
intersections
at
both
ends
of
hawthorne.
This
is
exactly
what
the
existing
official
plan
called
for,
and
the
upcoming
renew
renewal
of
the
official
plan
calls
for
these
kinds
of
conditions
for
undergrounding
utilities.
There
could
never
be
a
better
time
nor
better
conditions
to
bury
hydro
lines
along
hawthorne
and
north
main,
as
these
are
going
to
be
completely
dug
up
for
other
buried
utilities.
P
I
guess
I
wouldn't
have
raised
those
points
as
being
unique
if
it
weren't
in
the
official
plans
already
both
the
current
one
and
the
new
one
coming
up,
and
it's
very
specific
in
the
approved
secondary
plan
for
old
ottawa
east.
So
that's
the
basis.
It's
it's
in
policy
already
we're
not
asking
for
new
policy
we're
asking
you
to
to
utilize
the
policy
that
already
exists.
H
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
about
the
motion
that
counselor
menard,
our
counselor
derose,
has
introduced
in
terms
of
looking
at
a
special
area
levy
for
funding
the
burial
of
those
flyers.
I
mean
I
don't
I
don't
know
how
broad
they're
suggesting
in
terms
of
the
area
levy,
because
I'm
very
familiar
with
hawthorne.
This
is
a
lot
of
homes
there.
So
I'm
not
sure
how
far
the
the
the
aerial
levee
would
be.
You
said:
you're
representing
the
ottawa
east
community
association,
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
entire
award.
P
It's
not
the
answer
is
yes,
you
could,
but
the
other
part
of
that
is
how
broadly
do
you
base
the
the
benefits
of
taking
these
polls
up,
because
we
see
people
coming
from
the
altavista
area
from
ottawa
south
using
the
new
main
street
cycling
corridors
walking
to
ottawa?
U
coming
across
and
connecting
to
the
ncc
pathway
going
down
the
canal
and
hawthorne
is
a
main
connector.
If
you
can
make
hawthorne
safer
for
cyclists
and
pedestrians,
how
far
does
that
reach
extend
to
other
communities
than
old
ottawa
east.
B
B
Q
Counselor,
yes,
court
curry,
here
you
are
correct.
The
current
policy
would
would
only
permit
the
burial
where
there
was
a
third
party
funding
source
to
undertake
this
work.
Mr
klose
is
here
she
can
speak
to
the
rest
of
the
project
where
burial
hyrule
burial
is
being
undertaken
for
technical
reasons,
and
so
the
policy
therefore,
is
not
applicable
to
those
polls.
B
A
A
P
P
As
the
work
went
along
to
try
to
design
active
transport
on
greenfield
and
north
main,
the
the
project
manager
got
agreement
from
hydro
to
to
remove
the
poles
and
bury
the
wires
because
of
the
limitations
it
was
placing
on
planning
and
design
in
particular,
because
the
underground
big
was
going
to
have
to
require
hydra
to
remove
the
poles
anyway
and
then
replace
them.
So
if
the
poles
were
coming
down,
it
made
no
sense
to
put
them
back
up.
The
same
is
going
to
be
true
of
hawthorne.
P
P
Why?
Wouldn't
you
do
the
same
thing
on
hawthorne
that
you're
doing
on
greenfield
and
north
main?
It's
really
really
impeding
the
design
and
planning
for
active
transport
along
hawthorne.
That's
the
main
reason
that
we're
asking
for
these
poles
to
come
down
is
to
improve
safety
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists.
Great.
M
A
M
This
project
is
starting
before
the
approval
official
plan
will
finish
after
the
approval
of
the
official
plan,
and
so
if
there
was
a
difference
of
a
few
months,
this
would
be
here
more
as
of
right
than
we
are
today,
and
it's
also
doing
so
because
there's
intensification,
financial
and
quality
of
life
benefits
to
see
this
occur
when
when
a
street
is
being
redeveloped,
it
makes
it
very
different
than
the
situation
that
counselor
suds
has
described.
I
think
back
in
2010
when
counselor
wilkinson
did
this.
M
The
reasons
were
very
much
different
and
more
aesthetic
in
nature.
Since
then,
the
research
has
evolved.
Canada,
avenue,
of
course,
is
is
mostly
counselor
says,
could
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
single-family
homes,
and
so
we've
seen
the
evolution
since
2010
on
elgin
street
on
montreal
road
and
and
of
course,
as
you
can
see,
this
has
been
our
policy
as
part
of
the
old
official
plan
and
the
secondary
plan,
and
indeed
part
of
the
new
official
flint
plan.
M
But
the
biggest
factor
here
is
the
traditional
main
street
increase
in
new
tax
revenue
for
the
city,
so
this
project
itself
will
pay
for
itself
in
this
area.
My
understanding
is
in
a
little
over
10
years
and
then
it'll
be
contributing
back
to
more
tax
coffers
because
of
the
height
allowed
and
required
setbacks
of
hydro
being
buried
versus
not
buried
in
in
councilor
suds.
This
case
in
and
I
I
guess
it
was
more
counselor
wilkinson
back
in
2010
right
11
years
ago.
That
was
not
the
case.
It's
very
different
in
that
way.
M
So,
unlike
this
street
or
streets
like
saint
joseph,
which
could
see,
increases
as
part
of
a
traditional
main
street
and
and
potential
burials
in
the
future,
this
is
something
that
would
add
to
the
city
coffers
not
take
away
from
it,
which
is
a
different
situation,
and
so
the
project
is
gonna
be
finished
by
the
time
the
new
op
is
approved
and
and
would,
as
I
say,
qualify
for
burial
under
that
draft.
I
I
will
just
ask
staff
a
couple
of
questions,
just
clarifying
points.
M
I
think
court
curry's
points
are
well
taken
and
he's
and
himself,
and
mr
miguel
es
and
miss
duklow
also
have
other
pieces
of
information
that
I
think
are
be
very
valuable
for
this
committee
to
hear.
So,
if
I
could
just
ask
what
staff's
thoughts
are
on
on
bring
hydrogen
wires
in
this
particular
situation,
if
you
can
give
us
more
information
about
this
particular
situation,
so
I
guess
stick
to
mr
miguela's
or
mr
mcgillis
would
be
great
to
start
and
missed
you
khloe
as
well.
Q
Counselor,
I
don't
think
adding
is
with
us
this
afternoon,
but
I
can
cover
cover
that
off
work
in
the
same
department,
so
certainly
as
you've
set
up.
Yes,
council
put
this
policy
in
place
in
2011
as
a
response
to
a
number
of
main
street
renewal
projects
that
are
being
undertaken
where
there's
a
community
desire
for
the
burial
of
hydro,
wires,
wellington
west
my
mind
as
really
the
firing
gun
that
caused
the
council
of
the
day
to
look
at
the
issue
at
the
time.
Q
The
policy
did
note
that
there
were
substantial
intensification,
urban
design
and
operational
bonuses
of
of
bearing
hydro
wires.
However,
ultimately,
the
council
of
that
day
decided
that
the
cost
was
too
prohibitive,
and
so,
as
I
said
earlier,
barrel
would
only
be
undertaken
whether
there
was
technical
reasons
or
where
there
was
third-party
funding.
Certainly
as
as
you
and
the
delegations
have,
a
few
members
of
council
pointed
out,
the
the
draft
op
is
very
aspirational
in
that
it
speaks
to
prioritize
the
burial,
hydro,
wires
and
design
prairie
areas.
Q
Q
D
Thank
you
through
through
the
chair,
so
this
this
project
we're
here
today,
because
the
policy
for
varying
hydro
does
not
cover
us
to
do
it
without
our
direction
from
from
council
to
do
so.
We
we
do
agree
that,
while
the
policy
does
not
cover
it
provides
a
lot
of
other
opportunities,
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
what
what
court
just
said.
M
That's
very
helpful
and
I
think
the
big
point
around
we
are
very
there
is.
There
is
one
poll
there
I
I
know
on
on
hawthorne
buried
as
a
matter
of
course,
as
a
matter
of
current
technical
policy.
I
think
the
big
piece
here
is
that
the
major
financial
benefit
is
allowing
more
developable
space
to
exist
and
avoid
the
setbacks
that
are
mandated
for
safety
purposes
when
above
ground
hydra
wires
are
present.
M
I
would
just
say:
ideally
you
know
this
has
been
on
the
agenda
for
for
a
month
now.
Ideally
we
wouldn't
refer
this
in
this
way.
Ideally,
we
would
not
refer
it
and
and
pass
the
motion
as
it's
worded,
which
also
has
a
clause
in
there.
That
says
we
need
to
work
on
the
financing
part
of
it.
So
I
hope
that
committee
can
can
work
on
that
today.
Thanks
very
much
chair.
D
The
health
of
chair,
the
heart
of
design,
is
very
much,
I
would
say
we
pass
preliminary
design
so
we're
in
the
middle
of
between
preliminary
design
and
detailed
design.
The
project
is
going
to
be
tendering
faces,
so
we
are
going
to
do
a
very
small
piece
first
and
we
are
looking
at
2022
for
construction,
so
we
have
time
to
switch
gears
if
we
have
to.
D
D
O
So
so
I
heard
the
the
argument
of
development,
which
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
consider
I'm
not
hearing
the
argument
of
of
clarity
on
infrastructure,
so
I'm
hearing,
oh,
we
can
work
with
the
polls,
but
I'm
not
hearing
what
the
implication
of
removing
of
the
polls
would
be.
Can
you
maybe
speak
to
the
specifics
of
that,
because
that
I've
certainly
seen
what
happens
when
we
don't
remove
polls
and
now
you
know
bryden
and
public
works
and
other
team
members
struggle
with
it.
So
in
operationalizing
winter,
maintenance
and
even
accessibility
so
can.
D
So
we
we
will,
we
will
definitely
have
a
more
open
space
easier
to
move
around,
like
like
elgin
street,
without
having
the
poles
in
the
way.
Now
the
accessibility
standards
give
us
a
width
of
sidewalks
that
are
minimum
and
that's
when
we
are
saying
we
we
are
able
to
maintain
the
minimum
widths
that
we
need
for
that
location.
O
Okay,
yeah,
I
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
here.
We
have
a
local
counselor,
that's
working
with
his
community
on
an
initiate
on
initiative
of
redoing
the
infrastructure
and
obviously
we
have
to
counselor
suds
point.
We
have
to
review
our
hydro
bowl
policy,
it's
something
that
we've
had
to
do.
You
know
I've
had
to
live
through
montrell
road
councilor
mckinney's
had
to
live
through
elegant.
O
It
was
painful
to
bring
those
to
committee,
because
every
time
we
go
back
to
what's
the
standard,
so
you
know
I
I
would,
I
would
say
it's
dangerous
both
ways:
it's
dangerous
to
move
without
a
firm
policy
review,
it's
dangerous
to
put
in
a
levy
because
it
has
implications
for
local
residents
and
and
the
benefits
are
are
greater
than
that
and
and
frankly,
they
create
inequity.
If
inequity
was
created
at
the
time
of
canada.
O
Great,
let's
bring
that
up
as
a
discussion
point,
but
I
don't
think
doubling
down
on
inequity
is
a
is
a
the
best
approach.
So
look
I
I
won't
be
supporting
that.
What
I
think
is
like
a
reaction
to
emotion,
I
think
counselor,
the
counselor,
the
local
counselor's
report
does
bring
a
review.
It
doesn't
fund
the
project,
it
says:
look
I
I'm
looking
to
bury
the
hydro
wires
pending
funding.
O
I
hope
that
you
know
that
puts
kind
of
the
pressure
on
all
of
us
to
bring
forward
a
substantial
policy
on
what
we
want
to
see
relating
to
burial
of
hydro
wires,
which
which
would
give
the
you
know
up
or
down
on.
If
this
is
the
approach,
I'm
in
favor
of
burial
of
wires.
Generally,
I
think
they're
we
miss
opportunities.
We've
seen
that
that,
on
main
street
we've
seen
that
on
bank
street,
it's
it's
an
issue,
so
I
I'm
certainly
not
in
favor
of
of
pushing
a
levy.
O
Today
I
think
you
know
I
would
advise
colleagues
to
just
support
counselor,
manals
initial
motion
and
and
let
the
review
be
undertaken,
maybe
give
a
clear
direction,
and
maybe
that
that's
my
question
to
staff,
is
you
know,
court?
When
would
we
be
able
to
come
back
with
a
a
full
review
of
of
of
under,
under
which
context
would
hydro
be
burial,
be
be
advanced
and
favored
on
an
infrastructure
project?.
O
D
Well,
the
project
is
scheduled,
there's
a
section
that
we
are
going
to
build
this
year,
but
the
majority
of
the
project-
and
this
impacted
area
is
planned
for
2022
subject
to
budget.
So
we
need
to
go
to
council
and
ask
for
funding
approval
for
the
construction
of
the
project
for
the
2022
budget.
So
we
are
looking
at
2022
construction
season
depending
on
how
that
schedule
lines
up
with
the
revised
policy.
O
Okay,
well,
I
I'll
be
voting
against
the
the
referral
motion
because
I
think
it
does
give
us
the
current
councilman
owl's
motion
does
give
us
the
window
to
just
say:
hey,
look,
let
let
the
local
council
work
through
those
and
if
there
there's
a
need
for
committee
to
re-engage
on
it,
we'll
we'll
be
there,
but
I'm
happy
to
see
that
we're
actually
reviewing
it
substantially,
because
that
will
continue
to
happen.
Everyone
wants
to
see
burial
of
wires,
so
we
have
to
put
fair
context
around
that.
Thank
you.
C
My
question
is
to
staff
and
regarding
the
referral,
and
just
what
that
would
accomplish.
I
do
understand
from
the
existing
motion
put
forward
by
council
menard
that
it
does
speak
to
finding
funding
sources
so
trying
to
understand
what
would
be
achieved
by
spending
a
couple
of
extra
days
determining
that.
Would
there
be
a
conversation
about
a
special
levy
or
other
alternatives
within
the
motion
that,
as
it.
A
And
just
for
clarification
on
this
referral
motion,
it's
just
about
we're
not
making
a
decision
either
way.
Essentially
it's
to
get
the
data
and
present
it
at
council
where
the
referral
will
take
place
and
the
decision
will
be
made
at
the
council
table.
So
just
for
clarity,
we're
not
we're
not
saying
levy,
we're,
saying
collect
the
information.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
you're
nodding?
Yes,
great
sorry,
go
ahead,
wendy.
C
C
C
C
None
of
it
referred
to
what
was
happening
in
in
councillor
suds
wards.
None
of
it
was
that
motion,
so
I'm
really
just
trying
to
understand.
What's
the
benefit
of
referring
this
and
what
we
would
get
out
of
it?
That
would
be
different
from
what
we're
looking
at
today,
because
I
don't
mind
having
more
data
and
I
don't
mind
having
more
information.
But
I
just
need
to
know
that
we're
going
to
have
something,
that's
beneficial,
but
can
continue
to
see
investment
in
necessary
infrastructure
and
upgrades.
A
Yeah
and
and
just
to
add
to
that
and
see
when
he's
just
ready
to
speak,
I
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
crux
of
the
the
problem.
We
have
a
policy
issue
here
and
you
know
again,
if
there's
a
counselor
in
an
area
that
has
had
the
residents
pay
for
stuff.
Obviously
I
I
feel
the
counselors
working
in
the
best
interest
of
your
constituents.
We
need
all
that
information
at
the
table
and
I
don't
also
want
to
forget.
Council
menard
is
looking
at
chipping
in
as
well
through
cil
and
other
things.
A
C
You
know
thank
you,
chair
and
counselor
to
ask
your
point.
I
think
it
just
really
gives
us
that
opportunity
to
take
it
away
and
look
at
all
of
those
options
and
opportunities
that
we
have
before
us
to
be
able
to
find
the
funding
to
deal
with
this.
So
as
the
the
motion
stands
in
councillor
minor
menard's
report,
slash
motion
that
funding
is
not
identified.
C
It
will
have
to
be
identified
through
the
2022
budget
process.
So
if
we
look
at
that
levy
piece,
that's
something
that
we
can
achieve
in
a
short
time
frame
and
achieve
it,
I'm
going
to
say
outside
of
that
budget
process
as
well,
very
similarly
as
to
how
we've
worked
with
counselor
suds
on
a
couple
of
items
in
her
award
as
well,
so
really
takes
us
and
it
gives
us
that
time
to
work
with
a
counselor
to
find
other
ways
to
fund
okay.
Thank
you.
F
F
As
a
matter
of
fact,
having
worked
for
the
previous
previous
counselor
way
back
when
it
was
first
developed,
but
you
know
all
streets
are
not
are
not
made
the
same,
and
and
that
is
why
we're
going
to
see
a
change
with
our
official
plan
around
traditional
main
street,
and
I
have
to
say
that
on
elgin
have
we
not
removed
the
the
hydro
wires
and
it's
actually
the
poles?
Let's
call
it
what
it
is.
Have
we
not
removed
the
poles
on
elgin?
F
And
exceptionally,
because
we
looked
at
all
of
this
through
through
elgin
street,
it
wasn't-
you
know
we
could
say
well,
let's
put
up
the
pool
without
guy
wires
was
either
going
to
be
wires
coming
down
that
took
up
more
space
or
it
was
going
to
be
a
a
very,
very
wide
base
and
elgin
street.
Really
we
were
told
eight
to
11
million
dollars
and
that
magically
came
down
to
three
million.
F
When
you
know
we,
we
understood
the
full
ramifications
of
what
that
meant
and
and
hawthorne
carries
pedestrians
hawthorne
like
elgin
they're,
not
just
local
streets,
they
they.
They
carry
commuters,
cyclists,
pedestrians
from
different
parts
of
the
city,
and
we
have
we
have
to
take
that
into
consideration
and
we
are
through,
through
the
the
the
so
far
the
recommendations
through
through
the
official
plan
and,
quite
frankly,
on
elgin
street.
I
I
think,
oh
you
know,
I
have
to
remind
people
that
that
that
decision
was
made
last
minute.
F
We
fought
and
fought
and
fought
for
it.
We
were
told
no,
no,
no,
it
was
gonna
cost
eight
to
eleven
million
dollars
and
at
the
very
last
minute
we
decided
you
know
what
this
this
is
the
best
for,
for,
for
elgin
and
and
as
a
council
we
supported
that
and
and
as
a
result,
we
do
have
the
sidewalks
that
we
need
to
carry
the
people
that
that
that
commute
on
on
elgin
street.
F
F
It
will
come
back
to
us,
but
I
think
that
I
think
that
we
do
really
have
to
be
cognizant.
I've
had
other
streets
in
the
downtown
that
have
been
redone
since
elgin
and
I've
not
come
and
asked
for
hydro
wires
to
be
buried
and
neither
have
the
residents
but
on
traditional
main
streets.
It
was
outside
of
the
lack
of
really
safe,
cycling
infrastructure.
It
was
the
most
controversial
piece
that
we
that
we
dealt
with
on
on
elgin
street
so
going
forward.
It
will
be,
it
will
be
a
policy.
F
You
know,
let's
not,
let's
not
throw
this
out
because
of
a
few
months.
Let's
not
look
back
on
this
in
10
15
years
and
say
that
you
know
there
was
a
council
that
decided
not
to
bury
hydro
wires
on
a
traditional
main
street,
because
we
were
a
few
months
off
in
in
our
planning.
Take
a
look
at
elgin
street.
Take
a
look
at
rito.
These
are
shared
streets.
These
are
not.
F
K
Oh,
thank
you.
I
got
surprised
too.
Thank
you,
chair,
I'm
not
on
the
committee
and
I'm
just
coming
into
this
this
issue
as
a
interested
observer
at
this
point,
but
it
speaks
to
me
to
a
larger
issue
which
always
sort
of
manifests
itself,
especially
out
here
and
like,
and
I
know
that
some
of
the
other
counselors
will
relate
to
this
when
people
say
like.
Why
did
they
do
that?
Why
didn't
they
do
the
whole
thing?
Why
did
that
doesn't
really
make
sense?
K
K
It
makes
no,
it's
not
logical
to
not
continue
to
do
to
to
bury
these
wires
and,
as
catherine
said,
as
councilor
mckinney
said,
it
could
come,
probably
be
a
lot
less
expensive,
but
to
continue
to
have
the
wires
there
and
then
and
be
looking
at
them
down
the
road
and
wondering
when
at
at
some
point
will
these
get
buried
doesn't
make
any
sense
and
the
public
will
say
it
time
again.
Why
does
the
city
it
comes
down
to
money,
of
course,
but
we
hear
it
from
our
residents.
Why
did
they
do?
K
That
makes
absolutely
no
sense.
So
let's
do
the
right
thing
and
do
the
sensible
thing
here
and
find
the
funds
to
bury
these
wires.
Now,
that's
it
for
me.
I
I,
but
I'm
just
putting
it
out
there
if
we
can
possibly
change
the
official
plan
in
some
respect
that
when
it
makes
absolutely
sense
to
bury
wires
that
we
do
it
at
that
time,
so
we
don't
have
to
go
back
and
do
it
again
later
at
an
additional
cost,
because
we've
seen
that
happen
and
it
makes
everybody
a
bit
crazy.
K
A
R
Thank
you,
chair
I'll,
be
brief.
I
just
wanna
get
some
clarification
here.
I
didn't
think
the
deferral
was
talking
about,
not
burying
the
wires.
I
thought
what
councilor
suds
was
looking
for
in
this
motion
was
for
her
residents
to
be
treated
the
same
way
as
we
are
proposing
to
treat
residents
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
and
so
my
question
is
I
I
want
to
clarify
a
couple
of
pieces.
Is
canada
avenue
classified
as
a
traditional
main
street.
Q
R
Okay,
because
when
I
go
down
canada
avenue,
I
see
businesses.
I
see
some
of
the
tallest
buildings
in
kanata
and
I
see
some
residential
in
there
as
well,
which
is
what
I
thought
we
were
striving
to
do
across
the
city
was
to
have
a
mixed
community
like
that
on
the
street.
I'm
not
familiar
with
this
piece
of
hawthorne
is:
is
that
residential
or
is
that
business.
Q
R
R
Are
we
going
to
treat
the
the
residents
of
kanata,
north
and
other
parts
of
the
suburbs,
such
as
my
own
community,
in
stitchville,
and
bear
haven
and
orleans
differently
than
we
treat
people
in
other
parts
of
the
city?
I
I
think
it
begs
that
we
defer
this,
as
the
motion
suggests,
to
council
and
allow
staff
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
see
how
we
can
go
forward
with
a
clear
policy
on
this,
so
that
all
residents
are
treated
the
same.
A
G
Sorry
about
that,
I
got
big
wide
monitors.
Sorry
I
so
I
am
frustrated
this
morning
that
this
is
a
discussion.
The
the
contexts
for
canada
avenue
and
for
hawthorne
are
completely
different
and
we're
talking
about
a
decision
that
was
made
10
years
ago.
There
have
been
leaps
and
bounds
made
in
thinking
about
how
to
design
our
cities.
Since
then,
the
you
know
we
just
heard
during
the
bike
parking
discussion
from
our
gm
transportation
services.
Right-Of-Way
is
a
commodity.
G
It's
it's
something
that
we
can
leverage
it's
something
that
we
need
more
of
and
in
the
very
heavily
built
up
areas
of
of
urban
ottawa.
You
know
we
need
to
grasp
every
chance
that
we
get
to
to
give
ourselves
more
of
that
commodity,
and
we've
also
heard
about
the
the
the
payback
the
funding
source
for
this,
which
is
to
remove
that
hydro
wire
constraint
on
development
in
order
to
allow
for
an
increase
in
in
tax
revenues.
I
I
think
these
discussions
drive
residents
a
little
bit
nuts.
G
I
I
don't
know
why
we
would
even
consider
referring
this
back
to
to
look
at
a
potential
levy.
Council
menard
is
already
working
on
finding
the
funding
sources
to
do
something
that
I
think
every
resident
of
ottawa
would
agree.
Intuitively
needs
to
be
done.
Let's
let
him
continue
that
work
and
and
and
and
create
a
better
public
realm
and
an
intensifying
neighborhood
that
I
think
every
resident
will
understand.
G
H
Thank
you
chair.
It's
interesting
because
I
I
thought
I
heard
a
different
answer
to
the
question.
Counselor
hugely
asked
than
counselor
hubley
heard,
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
with
court.
The
question
was
in
the
case
of
counselor
sides.
Was
that
section
where
there
was
a
levy,
a
traditional
main
street
and,
although
you
said
part
of
canada,
ave
was
a
traditional
main
street.
The
section
where
there
was
a
levy
was
not.
Is
that
correct.
H
If
we
didn't
bury
those
seven
wires
when
we're
digging
up
the
street,
I
mean
it,
it
wouldn't
make
any
sense
to
delay
it
and
wait
for
the
official
plan
then
tear
it
up
again.
I
mean
that
just
wouldn't
make
any
sense
at
all.
So
when
it's
being
done,
it's
a
traditional
main
street.
If
you
look
at
elgin
how
it
turned
out,
you
look
at
other
traditional
main
streets,
they're
being
used
by
tourists,
they're
being
used
by
people
from
across
the
city
and
they're
really
a
destination
and
that
those
poles
need
to
be
buried.
H
I
hope
that
hydro,
like
they
did
on
elgin
street,
will
assist
in
the
cost
of
burying
them.
It's
I
mean
it's
astronomical
cost
to
bury
those
wives,
but
one
has
to
think
it's
a
lot
cheaper
once
the
roads
already
ripped
off.
So
it
seems
like
the
absolute
right
time
to
do
it,
so
I
I
feel
like
we
should
just
accept
the
menard
motion
and
move
forward.
Thank
you.
A
Great
thanks
for
your
points
and
just
before
we
go
to
councillor
suds,
I
have
a
quick
question
to
staff.
Actually
I
remember
organ
street.
I
actually
voted
against
it
because
I
thought
why
are
we
not
burying
the
hydro
wires,
but
yet
I
think
everybody
else,
except
for
councillor
bla
at
the
time
and
I
were
voted
against
it
for
various
reasons.
A
There
was
no
approved
money
to
bury
those
hydro
wires.
I
think
the
tune
was
going
to
be
about
11
million
or
something
it
was
quite
a
good
ticket,
but
it
was
bound
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
was
able
to
make
it
happen,
which
is
a
great
improvement,
but
I
think
this
you
know
I've
heard
these
discussions.
We
we
did
this
for
elgin.
We
did
this
for
oven,
but
we
didn't
do
it
for
real.
A
We
actually
voted
knowing
the
hydro
wires
were
going
to
remain
above
ground
and
it
was
just
luck
that
they
got
buried.
I
do
think
this
has
been
a
very
healthy
discussion
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
I
think
we're
gonna
find
a
good
path
and
in
regards
to
the
motion,
this
is
just
about
getting
more
information
and
bringing
it
to
the
council
table.
But
again
I
don't
like
the
unsightly
wires
either,
and
I
think
we've
we've
taken
quite
a
bit
of
time
talking
about
this.
M
A
M
So
I
don't
know
if
someone
else
can,
but
I
mean
I'm
looking
at
the
hawthorne
traditional
main
street,
we're
talking
about
a
fairly
short
block
where
part
of
the
hydro
wires
are
going
to
be
buried
and
part
of
them
are
not
very
close
to
to
many
businesses.
I
I
think
mr
curry
was
right
when
he
said
residential
and
businesses,
but
there
are
many
businesses
along
here
who
would
also
benefit,
and
this
area
is
slated
for
significant
intensification.
M
I
have
the
motion
in
front
that
would
allow
for
staff
to
talk
to
me
about
various
funding
options
and
I
and
I'm
open
to
those
funding
options,
but
I
think
you
know
referring
this
back
and
saying
that
you
know
we're
we're.
You
know
going
to
push
towards
a
special
area
levy.
That's
just
one
one
of
many
options
here,
including
other
cil,
including
other
discussions
with
with
finance
that
we
we've
been
able
to
have.
M
I
think
you
know,
given
the
support
of
pi
planning
infrastructure
economic
development,
on
this
on
on
the
motion
that
I
table,
which
I
worked
with
them,
for,
I
think
it
was
months,
a
court
that
we
were
working
on
it,
but
we
worked
on
it
for
a
long
time
and
that's
that
was
it's
been
tabled
for
a
whole
month.
So
I
understand
we
want
to
treat
residents
absolutely
equally.
M
I
I
get
that,
but
we
also
have
made
decisions
11
years
ago,
where
policy
has
been
evolving
and
changing,
and
we
wouldn't
want
to
lose
something
here
because
we're
a
few
months
too
early,
for
example.
So
I
just
hope
we
can
be
reasonable
about
this
one
and
and
and
work
on
it
together.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
your
your
indulgence
chair,
thank
you.
K
Thank
you.
I
thought
suds
was
going
to
go
first.
Thank
you.
No,
I
I
support
the
what
what's
being
discussed,
it's
something
that
we
should
do
across
the
city
this
you
know
it
always
takes
one
place
to
be
a
good
example
and
we're
going
to
be
needing
more
and
more
of
this
with
our
new
official
plan.
So
I
hope
to
see
more
of
it.
K
I
know
in
bayward,
we'll
have
more
traditional
main
street
that
we
didn't
have
before
it
doesn't
exist
to
the
extent
that
it
should
and
those
are
in
the
plans.
So
I
know
this
would
be
very
welcome
and
I
just
you
know
immediately.
I
I
envision
wider
sidewalks.
You
know
polls
not
in
the
way
this
is.
This
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
We
got
to
work
towards
it
and
there's
always
first
steps.
I
can
understand
that
something
that
happened
10
years
ago.
K
B
I
think,
what's
important
here
is
to
clarify
that
what
this
motion
is
doing
is
asking
that
we
refer
this
to
council,
so
that
gives
council
menard
and
staff
another
week
to
look
at
this
and
simply
asking
that
they
look
at
a
special
area
levy
as
an
option
for
funding
and
share
that
data
with
us.
As
I
said
this,
we
have
a
policy
in
place
right
now,
albeit
it
is
an
old
policy,
but
it
is
a
policy
that
does
not
support
this.
Currently,
I
am
all
for
burial
of
hydro
wires.
Don't
get
me
wrong.
B
I
think
that
this
is
a
healthy
reflection
on
where
we're
at,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
making
an
informed
decision-
and
I
think
that
in
fairness
to
past
decisions
that
including
an
assessment
of
what
a
special
area
levy
would
look
like
to
fund.
This
is
an
important
point
to
make,
and
so
that's
all
I'm
asking
for
today
is:
let's
set
this
aside
for
a
week.
Look
back
at
council.
B
A
R
C
N
B
A
Days,
eight
nights
great,
so
obviously
that
referral
motion
has
failed.
I
encourage
members
of
council
to
support
the
motion.
That
is
there
so
on
that
item.
Is
that
item
carry
okay?
Okay,
great!
Thank
you
very
much.
Everybody
great
discussion.
Moving
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
and
forgive
me
my
screen's
flipped
off
here.
I
believe
it
is.
Are
we
down
to
oh
item
number
five
counselor
dude
asses
motion
above
navin
road
counselor.
E
Gal,
oh
you're,
on
mute,
so
I
am
thank
you
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
understand
the
motion
correctly
and
could
transportation
staff
or
even
clerk's
office.
Procedurally,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
isn't
jumping
one
road
up
in
the
queue
in
terms
of
prioritization
yeah.
So
that's
my
question
is
this:
is
this
queue
jumping
in
any
way
and
moving
this
particular
road
ahead
of
others?
Other
roads
already
identified
in
the
tmp.
N
There
I
will
take
the
question:
no,
it
does
not.
The
motion
speaks
to
staff,
reviewing
it
as
part
of
the
tmp
update,
and
we
would
it's
a
complete
review
of
the
all
the
the
entire
network,
all
the
roads
planning.
Those
are
still
to
be
built
that
everything
will
be
reviewed
from
the
new
lens
of
a
new
planning
horizon
of
2046,
as
well
as
all
the
new
policies
are
coming
out
of
the
op
and
the
work
that
we're
doing
with
our
tmp
policies
as
well.
E
A
O
Yeah,
that's
a
similar
question
on
of
mine.
I
want
to
congratulate
counselor
dudes
for
for
bringing
such
emotions.
It's
important
to
do
so,
but
I
I
want
to
understand
more
fully
the
context
we're
delayed
on
the
tmp.
What
are
the
impacts?
Is
that
does
it
jump
a
cue?
Is
there
other
considerations
that
committee
or
council
should
have?
I
just
just
want
to
get
gain
that
context
fully.
N
N
No,
it
is
it's
directing
staff
to
pay
attention
to
to
this
road
and
we
would
with
us
with
all
the
other
roads
in
the
network,
so
far,
future
planned
and
perhaps
even
new
ones.
So
it
does.
It
does
not
bump
anything.
That's
currently
in
the
in
the
tnp
that
we
have
right
now,
which
is
the
2013
tnp
that
we're
following
we're
doing
two
two
steps
and
one
is
looking
forward
and
one
is
continuing
on
to
implement
until
such
time
as
you
have
the
new
update
to
to
consider
and
to
approve.
N
New
direction,
it
was
would
be
something
that
we
would
roll
into
our
work
anyway.
This
is
just
highlighting
the
the
navin
road
between
brian
coburn
and
mayor
bleu,
and
the
councillor's
desire
to
urbanize
it
and
have
it
make
sure
that
we're
paying
attention
to
this
road
for
the
urbanization
aspect
of
this
project,
when
we
look
at
its
priorities
and
how
it
links
into
the
network
and
affordability
and
everything
else,
so
the
same
lens
will
be
applied
across
the
the
board.
R
So,
as
councilor
gower
said,
if
you're
only
going
to
look
at
the
roads
that
you
have
the
motion
for
them,
we
have
to
get
writing
an
awful
lot
of
motions.
Otherwise,
I
think
that
part
one
should
be
coming
out
of
this
motion
if
you're
already
doing
it.
What's
the
point
of
moving
the
motion,
could
you
could
you
tell
explain
to
me
vivi
why
you
need
this
item
number
one
in
this
motion?
If
you're
already
doing
it.
N
I
think
counselor
it
may
be
to
just
to
give
it
a
little
bit
more
profile,
but
I
think
everything
will
be
taken
into
context,
because
we
don't
look
at
a
network
with
just
one
link
on
its
own.
We
have
to
look
at
the
entire
network
and
how
they
interact
with
each
other.
We
look
at
where
development
is
taking
place
and-
and
that's
so
it
doesn't
harm
it's
not
harmful.
To
have
the
first
point
in.
I
don't
think
it
would
change
anything
that
we
would
do
that.
R
So
then,
if
it
does
help
raise
the
profile,
then,
as
counselor
gower
suggests
it
for
robert
grant,
that's
something
that
I've
been
working
closely
with
I'm
trying
to
get
the
profile
raised
on
that
and
getting
it
advanced
in
the
in
the
tmp
discussions
when
they
get
started.
So
why
wouldn't
counselor
gower
want
to
do
a
motion
on
robert
grant
following
what
you
just
said
about
the
profile.
N
C
Thank
you
chair,
and
you
know
what
these
are
incredibly
good
points.
I
can
maybe
provide
some
clarity
as
well
in
that
navin
road.
The
vast
majori
majority
of
that
stretch
is
going
to
be
undergoing
significant
development,
and
the
portions
that
are
in
adjacent
to
those
developments
are
going
to
see
upgrades,
not
the
kind
of
upgrades
we
want.
We
want
sidewalks,
but
they're
going
to
see
widened
shoulders.
There's
going
to
be
some
improvements.
C
The
only
problem
is,
is
that
this
particular
section
between
renault
and
brian
coburn,
which
is
not
a
long
stretch,
it's
incredibly
short,
has
houses
fronting
onto
it,
has
ditches
it
has
people
trying
to
dodge
traffic
while
trying
to
get
their
mail,
and
it
has
bus
stops
that
are
literally
hanging
off
into
a
marshy
land,
and
what
happens
is
that
we
cannot
collect
dc's
for
that,
because
none
of
the
developments
are
complete
are
right
up
against
that
road.
So
what
will
happen?
What
we're
trying
to
do?
C
What
I'm
trying
to
do
with
this
is
to
let
our
residents
know
that,
when
the
tmp
is
being
reviewed
when
the
rest
of
nav
road
is
part
of
that,
holistic
approach
is
being
reviewed,
that
we're
not
forgetting
this
section
and
that
it's
not
just
about
widening,
and
I
said
that
at
the
beginning,
it's
not
about
adding
more
cars.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
that.
C
It's
really
making
sure
that
it's
part
of
the
review,
but
that
it's
not
just
about
the
focus
about
cars,
but
it's
also
the
focus
about
how
do
we
incorporate
the
pedestrian
and
the
cycling
infrastructure?
So,
in
no
way
does
this
jump
the
queue
so
to
speak,
and
I
completely
understand
that
and
empathize
with
that.
You
know
we
all
have
roads
within
our
areas
that
need
to
be
prioritized,
and
we
feel
that,
but
this
community
has
felt
for
a
very
long
time
that
it
has
not
had
the
infrastructure
to
accommodate
the
growth.
C
We
cannot
see
it
budge
in
terms
of
the
ncc
in
option
seven.
So
this
is
a
small,
it's
not
small,
but
it
is
a
move
to
make
sure
that
this
is
part
of
the
review
that
city
staff
are
looking
at
it
as
a
holistic
approach
when
they're
looking
at
the
rest
of
the
urbanization,
that's
happening
along
renault
and
navin,
so
you
know
I
I
would
ask
you
for
your
support
on
this.