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From YouTube: Transportation Committee - December 2, 2020
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Transportation Committee - live meeting stream.
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
All
right
good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
today's
meeting
of
the
transportation
committee
and
before
we
proceed
I'd
like
to
do
a
quick
roll
call
to
remind
everyone.
We
need
at
least
six
members
present
to
maintain
quorum.
So,
first
of
all,
we
will
do
roll
call
kelly.
If
you
don't
mind,
doing
roll
call.
C
A
Please
keep
your
microphones
muted
until
you're
called
on
to
speak
I'll,
provide
the
committee
member
with
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
comment
in
due
course.
Committee
members
will
be
called
on
first,
followed
by
other
members
of
council
that
have
joined
the
meeting.
At
any
point,
if
you
wish
to
speak,
please
use
the
raise
hand
feature
within
zoom
the
committee
coordinator,
and
I
will
be
watching
for
those
hands
the
usual
five
minutes
to
apply.
A
First
of
all,
we
have
no
regrets
any
declarations
of
interest,
see
none
confirmation
of
minutes,
minutes
12
november
2nd
2020
are
those
confirmed
all
right.
Thank
you
and
minutes
13
november
16
2020
special
meeting
are
those
also
carrie
great.
Thank
you
I'll.
Just
go
to
the
agenda
clearing
first
first,
we
do
have
item
number
one:
the
2021
draft
operating
and
capital
budget.
We
do
have
a
technical
amendment
and
I'll
ask
vice
chair
leaper.
A
D
A
technical
amendment,
whereas
on
november
4th
2020
council
received
and
tabled
the
2021
draft
capital
and
operating
budget
and
associated
committee
budget
books
and
whereas
a
revised
transportation
committee
draft
2021
budget
document
was
published
with
the
committee
agenda,
including
corrections
to
pages
34
and
77
of
the
full
budget
book.
As
outlined
in
the
table.
Attached
to
this
motion
and
whereas
subsequent
to
the
publication
of
the
transportation
committee
agenda,
an
additional
correction
was
identified,
requiring
the
map
on
page
108
of
the
full
budget
book
to
be
replaced
with
the
attached.
A
Wonderful,
thank
you
very
much
vice
chair,
so
we'll
definitely
be
holding
that
item
and
coming
back
to
it
item
number
two
is
the
always
stop
control
of
the
canadian
shield
avenue
and
great
lakes
avenue
intersection
of
the
canadian
shield,
avenue
and
maritime
way
sounds
really
nice
in
canada,
north.
We
have
no
presentations,
no
delegations
and
no
correspondence
received
on
this
one.
Before
I
go
ahead,
I'm
just
quickly
looking
at
staff,
do
we
are
we
okay
to
proceed
with
this?
A
Wonderful,
so
I'm
looking
to
committee
on
this
specific
one,
all
right,
barry
terry!
Thank
you.
You
saved
me
some
time
in
reading
next
up.
Item
number
three
acquisition
of
part
of
300
wiggins
private
from
the
community
housing
for
installation
of
intersection,
always
stop
control
this
one
here,
there's
no
presentations,
no
delegations,
no
correspondence
received.
I
am
looking
to
staff
and
I
don't
know
who
it
would
be.
Do
we
have
any
concerns
with
this
specific
hallways?
A
F
Chair,
it's
john
here
there's
a
piece
that
fits
in
my
portfolio
and
then
I'm
gonna
ask
mr
willis
to
comment.
Also,
we
we've
been
trying
to
figure
out
a
solution
for
the
council.
This
one's
tricky
in
that
staff
can't
support
it
on
a
couple
of
fronts.
The
first
is,
you
know,
you're
dealing
with
private
property,
so
we're
it's
a
challenge,
a
very
very
far
stretch
for
us
and
and
it
doesn't
meet
the
warrants
on
top
of
that.
G
So
chair,
just
as
mr
manconi
indicated
there,
there
are
concerns
on
a
technical
basis
which
I'll
let
transportation
services
talk
to,
but
on
the
issue
of
the
source
of
funding
in
this
instance,
although
it's
not
a
small
amount
of
money
it,
the
the
recommendation
in
the
report
is
to
draw
it
from
an
existing
capital
project,
which
is
normally
we
would
address
these
issues
in
capital,
close
or
we'd
address
it
through
the
main
budgeting
process.
This
is
an
there's,
a
different
request
and
not
what
we
normally
deal
with
and
the
concern
is.
G
A
Okay,
well
so
I'll
look
to
the
council,
that's
proposed
the
motion:
did
you
want
to
go
offline
and
work
on
this
and
see
what
other
sources
or
possibilities
exist,
because
I
think
this
would
create
a
rippling
precedent
where
I've
run
into
this
exact
same
situation
with
costco,
where
they
wanted
some
traffic
controls
paid
for
by
the
city?
And
that's
not
our
current
process,
so
matt,
I'm
just
looking
to
you,
did
you
want
to
go
talk
offline
with
with
steve.
A
A
It
is
not.
This
is
agenda
clearing
and
I
always
like
to
ask
staff
if
they're
good
with
it
before
we
allow
members
of
committee
to
go
ahead
and
approve
something
that
might
not
be
recommended
by
staff.
So
at
this
point
now
this
item
is
added
to
the
agenda
and
we'll
go
back
to
item
number
one
and
certainly
you'll
have
a
due
course
in
time
to
be
able
to
to
debate
and
basically
sell
to
your
committee
members
you
why
you
want
that
to
happen.
A
I
So
good
morning,
chair
and
members
of
the
transportation
committee,
my
name
is
lyla
gibbons
and
I'm
the
director
of
roads
and
parking
services.
I'm
pleased
to
be
here
with
you
today
to
deliver
the
dropped
2021
budget.
First,
I'd
like
to
introduce
my
colleagues
who
will
be
presenting
with
me
today.
We
have
isabelle
jasmine,
the
deputy
city,
treasurer
who's
here
on
behalf
of
finance.
I
We
have
jan
st
louis
director
of
fleet
services
and
he's
representing
innovative
client
service
department,
vivi
chi
who's,
the
director
of
transportation
planning
and
phil
landry,
director
of
trans
air
traffic
services,
who
are
both
representing
transportation
services.
And
finally,
we
have
karina
duclos
who's.
The
acting
director
of
infrastructure
services,
who's
representing
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development.
I
Next
slide,
please.
So
the
focus
of
today's
presentation
is
to
review
the
operating
and
capital
budgets
from
public
works
and
environmental
services,
transportation
services,
innovative
client
services
and
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development.
I'll
now
pass
pass
it
over
to
isabel
to
go
through
the
operating
and
capital
budgets.
Isabel.
J
J
This
department
will
see
a
net
increase
of
3.049
million,
which
is
roughly
a
two
percent
increase
in
expenditures
with
parking
expenditures
fully
offset
by
parking
revenues.
Transportation
services
includes
traffic
services
and
transportation
planning.
The
net
increase
of
6.8
million
for
this
department
is
primarily
due
to
the
additional
spending
on
safety
and
speed
enforcement
funded
by
the
new
cameras.
J
J
J
J
This
slide
provides
an
overview
of
the
funding
sources
for
the
capital
budget.
Before
you
today,
a
significant
portion
comes
from
what
we
call
reserves,
but
it's
technically
cash.
We
contribute
to
reserves
from
the
operating
budget
each
year,
and
it
is
these
funds
that
are
used
to
fund
much
of
the
capital
budget
in
this
capital
budget,
54.3
percent
would
be
funded
with
cash
that
has
been
contributed
to
reserves
25.3
from
development
charges
which
are
used
to
fund
growth
projects
per
the
development
charge.
Background
study
and
the
remaining
20.4
would
be
funded
by
debt
each
year.
J
I
All
right,
thank
you,
isabel,
so
the
focus.
Oh
sorry,
so,
overall,
the
proposed
operating
budget
for
road
services
will
be
increasing
by
2.8
million
dollars.
The
key
highlights
are
1.2
million
dollars
in
compensation,
adjustments
for
potential
2021
cost
of
living
increments
and
benefit
adjustments,
1.24
million
dollar
in
inflationary
increases
to
contracted
services,
materials
supply
and
fleet
and
620
000
increase
in
fleet
costs.
I
So
looking
back
to
the
2020
budget
process
and
a
big
thank
you
to
to
this
committee
and
council
for
their
support,
we
were
provided
with
a
growth
increase
to
our
operating
budget
that
adequately
funded
our
winter
operations,
and
we
are
tracking
to
be
on
budget
by
end
of
year
to
carry
forward
with
that
momentum.
We
are
continuing
with
the
improvements
to
our
winter
operations
that
came
as
a
result
of
our
service
delivery
review
that
we
conducted
in
2019.
I
I
I
E
E
K
Thank
you,
phil.
The
only
change
to
the
transportation
planning
service
area's
net
operating
budget
is
the
annual
cost
of
living
adjustment
and
the
amount
of
an
additional
110
000..
The
total
2021
net
operating
requirement
for
our
service
area
is
4.49
million.
We
have
full-time
ftes
of
36..
We
do
have
some
temporary
positions
in
the
active
transportation
program
and
they're
funded
through
the
capital
programs.
K
These
temporary
positions
help
with
the
workload
of
the
cycling
program
and
to
help
with
the
delivery
of
the
p-tiff
projects
and
upcoming
projects
that
could
arise
from
the
investing
in
canada
infrastructure
program.
Next
slide,
please
so
for
our
capital
program.
We
continue
to
implement
the
growth
projects
that
council
has
approved
and
in
accordance
with
the
tmp's,
affordable
plan,
these
grow
road
growth
projects
are
95
funded
through
development
charges
for
2021,
with
the
addition
of
9.7
million
the
strand
herd,
widening
project
will
be
fully
funded
for
construction.
K
This
project
includes
a
rail
grade
separation
with
via
rail
and
cycle
tracks
and
sidewalks.
It's
an
example
of
a
complete
street.
In
the
suburbs,
18.9
million
will
be
allocated
to
bank
street
in
the
south
end
for
detailed
design.
Some
utility
relocations
and
property
acquisitions
for
the
segment
from
litrim
to
dunskipper.
K
This
road
widening
also
includes
cycling
and
sidewalk
facilities
in
kanata,
844
000
for
of
new
funding
is
being
requested
to
design
the
underpass
at
terry
fox,
connecting
earl
grey
drive
to
ditsbury
road
to
serve
the
canada
centrum
shopping.
Complex
7.4
million
will
fund
the
detailed
design
of
the
widening
of
the
airport
parkway
from
brookfield
to
hunt
club.
This
project
includes
a
new
ramp
and
roundabout
at
walk
lee
and
modifications
to
the
west
side
of
walkway
road
with
cycling
facilities.
K
K
Please
30
million
will
be
dedicated
towards
transit
network
improvements
through
various
programs
that
promote
transit,
priority
park
and
ride
facilities,
corridor
protections
and
ea
studies.
Active
transportation
will
receive
nearly
13
million
to
continue
with
the
planning,
design
and
building
of
the
cycling
facilities
and
sidewalks.
As
per
the
master
plans,
nearly
16
million
will
be
used
for
improving
intersections
and
network
modifications
related
to
growth.
K
These
two
programs
receive
a
hundred
percent
and
eighty
three
percent
dc
funding
respectively,
and
the
neighborhood
traffic
calming
program
will
receive
two
million
to
continue
with
the
planning,
design
and
construction
of
permanent
traffic
calming
measures
on
local
streets
and
collectors.
Thank
you
now
I'll
turn
it
over
to
innovative
client
services
and
st
louis.
L
B
B
We
can
see
that
for
capital
highlights
23
000,
22
million
sorry
for
city
assets,
there's
280
k
for
tools
and
equipment
and
23
for
municipal
vehicles
and
scheduled
equipment
replacement
most
of
the
money
will.
The
23
million
will
be
for
the
replacement
of
vehicles
for
the
municipal
fleet,
and
this
will
replace
162
vehicles,
including
the
conversion
to
greener,
more
ecological
methods
when
they
are
proven.
L
M
M
A
A
A
N
Okay
good
morning,
mr
chair
and
committee
members,
today's
budget
discussion
is
certainly
timely.
In
light
of
last
week's
release
of
the
audit
of
our
facilities
management,
the
auditor
general
cautions
that
deferring
maintenance
is
a
short-term
solution
with
long-term
impacts.
That
warning
is
entirely
applicable
to
the
underfunding
of
our
roads.
Maintenance
underfunding
is
not
a
new
situation.
In
2005,
the
agricultural
and
rural
affairs
committee
reported
that
there
had
been
a
15
decrease
in
the
condition
of
rural
roads
over
the
short
period
2002
to
5..
This
deterioration
has
continued
citywide
since
amalgamation.
N
N
10
years
ago,
ottawa
identified
a
300
million
dollar
shortfall
in
repairs
for
social
housing
and,
more
than
50
years
ago,
the
on
the
move
program
found
it
necessary
to
invest
some
340
men
advanced
road
renewal
projects.
I
estimate
that
the
backlog
and
that's
their
road
repair
work
is
in
the
vicinity
of
300
million
next
slide.
Please,
our
infrastructure
management
system
identifies
good
repair
as
the
norm.
However,
the
city
reports
are
advising
us
that
some
75
of
our
roads
are
in
a
condition
below
that
good
standard.
N
Many
of
our
roads
are
in
poor
to
very
poor
condition
and
a
few
useful
years
remaining
once
the
condition
of
a
road
falls
below
fair
for
every
dollar
that
had
not
been
invested
in
timely
maintenance.
It
is
estimated
that
it'll
cost
us
some
four
to
five
dollars
to
bring
the
road
back
to
a
satisfactory
condition.
N
Next
slide,
our
roads
inventory
is
valued
at
more
than
13
billion
dollars.
The
canadian
infrastructure
report
chart
report
card
project,
recommends
funding
the
maintenance
abroads
at
about
two
percent
of
the
value
of
that
inventory
and
that
spending
less
than
two
percent
will
result
in
in
deteriorated
road
conditions.
Over
a
period
of
time.
N
The
green
arrow
on
the
right
shows
the
circ
recommended
minimum
funding
level.
The
red
arrow
on
the
left
shows
where
the
2021
draft
budget
puts
us.
How
did
we
get
there?
I
draw
your
attention
to
the
gold
arrow
on
the
left.
This
is
where
the
city's
first
long-range
financial
plan
2002
estimated
the
need
for
an
annual
roads
maintenance
budget
of
about
156
million
dollars
in
today's
dollars.
N
That
figure
was
based
on
audits
of
the
existing
maintenance
cost
records.
The
former
municipalities,
the
white
arrow
on
the
right
shows
the
average
of
other
canadian
cities.
Ottawa's
funding
level
should
be
measurably
higher
than
the
average
canadian
city
because
of
our
winter
weather
conditions.
Next
slide.
Please.
N
N
It'll
likely
require
an
audit
of
the
roads
function
in
order
for
council
to
fully
appreciate
the
magnitude
of
the
maintenance
problem,
we
must
aim
to
increase
the
funding
of
our
roads,
maintenance
and
renewal
budgets
to
two
percent
of
the
value
of
our
roads
inventory.
I
recommend
that
staff
develop
options
for
a
roads
get
well
program.
N
Several
cost
adoptions
need
to
consider
the
sources
of
funding
and
there's
no
quick
fix
options
should
consider
different
time
frames
to
get
out
of
the
hole
that
we're
in
and
we're
likely
considering
a
horizon
of
more
than
a
decade.
The
plan
must
outline
to
the
taxpayer
the
intended
results,
as
well
as
the
likely
tax
consequences.
N
In
please
much
of
our
roads
inventory
is
in
poor
repair,
not
the
state
of
good
repair
that
we
state
as
the
norm.
The
solution
is
not
with
the
short-term
discussions
over
the
annual
budget.
The
city
of
ottawa
can
only
make
significant
headway
in
resolving
the
poor
and
deteriorating
condition
of
its
roads
by
implementing
a
comprehensive
roads
get
well
program.
N
A
O
Good
morning,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you,
mr
holm,
for
your
presentation.
I
think
we'll
we
hear
your
presentation
on
a
yearly
base,
whether
in
our
own
war,
budget
or
transportation
committee-
and
I
think
I
don't
think
any
one
of
us
disagree
on
the
shape
or
the
condition
of
our
roads
or
our
facilities
and
you're
right.
We
just
received
the
other
generous
report
identified
as
the
question
is
going
to
be
mr
home.
O
Where
do
we
find
the
balance
between
affordability
and
you
know
what
we
can
do?
I
asked
you
the
question
before
I'm
going
to
ask
you
again:
do
you
have
any
idea
where
this
funding
gonna
come
from
to
be
able
to
meet
the
long
range
financial
plan,
as
I
think,
as
you
know,
our
our
resident
or
the
older
adult
they
only
receive
two
dollar
increase
on
their
paycheck.
O
How
much
more
can
they
afford
to
pay,
and
if
we
increase
taxes
to
fix
our
infrastructure,
I
can
assure
you
will
have
more
pressure
on
social
housing
and
more
people
would
lose
their
home.
So
we
have
a
solution
to
the
problem.
We
have
other
than
other
level
of
government
step
up
and
help
the
city's
infrastructure.
N
N
N
N
In
2004
we
went
through
a
very
exhaustive
process
of
the
universal
program
review.
Part
of
that
review
was
to
try
to
assure
council
that
we
were
sticking
to
priorities.
Perhaps
we've
got
to
do
some
sort
of
a
repeat
of
that
very
brutal
process,
but
the
the
solution,
as
we
all
recognize,
is
not
easy.
If
it
was
easy,
we
would
have
done
it
a
decade
ago,
but
it
has
to
be
addressed.
O
Thank
you
for
the
advice.
Well,
I
think
we
all
understand
it
to
be
addresses.
The
question
is
the
how
so,
during
all
the
budget
meeting
I
haven't
heard
one
residency.
I
want
less
service,
so
every
presentation,
every
budget
meeting
community
cannot
and
ask
for
more
more
bicycle,
lane
more
maintenance,
more
repair,
more
fluke,
clinic
more
everything
more
and
we
have
and
not
yet
we
heard
one
resident
say
how
we're
gonna
pay
for
all
this.
O
So
I
was
hoping
you
can
advise
us,
but
what
I
know
you
pay
a
lot
of
attention
to
road,
and
I
thank
you
for
that.
But
obviously
you
don't
have
a
solution
as
much
as
we
don't,
because
we
are
going
with
affordability
and
mr
home.
Let
me
remind
you:
we
become
creative
too
this
year
I
made
a
swamp
with
another
council
to
use
my
cash
in
law
to
fix
road.
They
were
victim
of
the
flood
and
also
they
were
not
been
paid
for
the
last
30
years.
O
So
I
used
my
cash
in
loop
in
order
to
fix
my
road,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
much
more
creative
can
be
other
than
stand
at
the
corner
and
algae
and
ask
for
donation
for
roads.
But
thank
you
for
every
year
you
came
in
and,
and
your
presentation
is,
is
what
we
already
know,
because
we
give
you
those
information,
so
I
was
hoping
for.
Someone
would
give
me
a
little
bit
of
solution.
Thank
you.
D
D
Thanks
and
ken
thanks
for
your
presentation,
I
think
residents
across
ottawa
share
the
frustration
with
the
condition
of
the
roads,
the
three
hundred
dollars.
Obviously,
I'm
a
strong
cycling
advocate
three
hundred
dollars
in
automobile
maintenance
every
year
for
drivers
is
actually
you
know
dangerous
conditions
for
cyclists.
We
we
need
our
roads
to
be
in
good
repair.
In
the
last
term
of
council,
we
undertook
a
pretty
comprehensive
review
that
I
recall
of
the
the
state
of
our
roads
and
in
the
last
election
campaign,
everybody
around
this
table
heard
about
that.
D
When
you
gave
us
your
prescription
for
what
needs
to
be
done
moving
forward,
forgive
me,
I'm
hard-pressed
to
see
what
elements
are
missing
from
the
exercise
that
we've
already
undertaken,
what
what
more
other
than
funding
at
an
accelerated
rate,
the
repairs
we
know
we
need
to
make-
is
there
some
element
of
our
review
of
the
condition
of
roads?
That
is
still
missing?
We've
done
the
inventory.
We
have
the
plan.
We
have
the
costing.
N
But
if
there's
one
aspect
that
I
I
think
we
continue
to
ignore,
and
that
is
the
cost
of
continuing
to
do
business
as
normal.
We
are
aware
that
any
significant
delay
of
routine
maintenance
has
a
consequence,
and
the
consequence
is
that
it's
going
to
cost
you
four
to
five
times
in
major
repair.
What
you
could
have
got
away
with,
if
you
had
done
the
routine
and
somewhat
minor
maintenance,
so
that
consequence
is,
is
extreme
and
needs
to
be
built
into
to
every
factor.
It's
very
easy
to
say
you
know
we.
N
P
I
I
didn't
hear
an
answer
to
councillor
leeper's
question
there,
which
was
the
area
I
want
to
go
to
as
well.
Is
we
have
an
infrastructure
plan
to
get
caught
up
on
this?
Originally
it
was
10
years.
As
councillor
lieber
said,
there
was
a
public
consultation
of
this
done
by
most
counselors
during
the
last
election,
and
it
was
agreed
we
would
add
one
percent
to
the
tax
rate
dedicated
to
this
infrastructure
plan
to
bring
it
down
to.
I
think
it's
now
a
six-year
plan
instead
of
a
10-year
plan.
P
I
I'm
not
hearing
anything
from
from
you
disputing
that
plan
or,
on
the
same
hand,
you're
not
recognizing
that
we
already
have
a
plan
in
place,
something
that
the
public
is
accepting
of
it's.
You
know
the
councilor
al
shanteri's
points
it's
affordable
for
residents
to
do
this,
to
get
it
the
work
done.
So
if
the
six-year
plan
isn't
going
to
do
what
you
want
done,
what
is.
N
Right
now
we
were
investing
in
budget
2021,
approximately
1.2
percent,
so
we're
being
warned
or
advised
by
authorities
experts
in
public
transportation,
public
infrastructure
of
which
a
member
of
our
city
staff,
with
a
very
strong
lead,
we're
being
advised
that
we've
got
to
spend
more
than
two
percent
any
of
the
plans
that
I've
seen
do
not
recommend
a
funding
level
anywhere
near
two
percent.
So
how
do
we
expect
that
we're
going
to
return
to
a
decent
condition
of
a
good
repair
by
spending
much
less
than
the
experts
recommend.
P
Answer
but
as
several
my
colleagues
are
trying
to
point
out
to
you,
taxpayers
have
been
very
clear
to
us
that
they
are
not
willing
to
go
to
another
point
on
top
of
the
one
percent
of
the
full
budget.
That's
already
going
there,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
find
a
way
to
make
this
work.
So
I'll.
Look
to
mr
chair
I'll
wait
for
when
we
can
ask
questions
to
staff,
and-
and
hopefully
they
can
respond
to
that,
because
you
know
they
they
put
a
plan
before
us.
It
was
endorsed
by
council.
P
Q
N
Now
certainly
my
my
focus
has
been
on
on
the
roads.
It's
a
bit
difficult,
looking
at
the
budget
for
for
an
outsider,
to
try
to
purse
some
of
the
line
items
as
to
how
much
is
directed
to
roads,
how
much
is
directed
to
culverts,
for
example,
and
on
sidewalks,
but
my
focus
has
been
on
roads,
but
I
certainly
appreciate
that
there
there
is
the
requirement
for
the
other
aspects
like
sidewalks
and
and
overpasses.
N
In
terms
of
your
your
first
question,
which
I
think
I've
almost
forgotten
the
the
the
way
ahead.
I
think
it's
it's
critical
that
taxpayers
understand
the
consequences
of
of
not
proceeding
in
a
in
a
direction
the
details
of
which
they
would
be
aware.
It's
very
easy
for
a
taxpayer
to
say
you
know
I
don't
want
my
taxes
increased.
N
It's
also
very
easy
for
a
counselor
for
somebody
who
says,
but
I
absolutely
need
it
for
the
counselor
and
say:
okay:
where
are
we
going
to
get
the
money
from
well?
Most
most
residents
do
not
have
a
sufficiently
global
appreciation
of
the
of
the
budget
to
be
able
to
meaningfully
suggest
where
the
money
for
should
should
come
from.
N
That's
that's
a
question
of
council
priorities,
but
if,
if
counselors
believe
that
we
need
to
maintain
our
roads
at
a
state
of
good
repair
and
they
get
into
the
juggling
match
the
the
competition
of
where
the
money
come,
where
does
the
money
come
from?
It
is
council
and
council's
set
of
priorities
that
determines
where
that
money
comes
from.
N
If
council
decides
that
it
is
not
a
priority
to
maintain
the
roads,
then
those
people
that
vote
for
that
must
take
full
responsibility
for
the
consequence
of
the
roads
falling
apart
and
in
five
to
ten
years
having
to
spend
four
to
five
times
that
money
to
get
them
into
some
sort
of
serviceable
condition.
But
that's
that's
not
my
job.
That's
not
my
responsibility!
N
Q
I
I
appreciate
that,
and
what
I'm
I'm
looking
at
is
is
showing
people
that
we're
trying
to
save
money
in
the
long
term.
So
if
you,
if
you
do
put
in
that
infusion
of
getting
things
at
a
good
good
shape
that
in
the
long
term,
you
will
save
money-
and
I
mean
it's-
it's
we
if
you
have
a
house,
you
understand
that
you
put
in
the
investment
of
of
what
it
takes
to
maintain
it,
and
and
that's
that's
what
you're
looking
at.
Q
N
I'm
I'm
a
bit
hard-pressed
to
find
a
good
example.
If
you
like,
I
will.
I
will
try
to
put
together
a
short
list.
I
am
reminded,
however,
the
the
last
time
that
the
city
of
ottawa
reported
its
performance
into
the
the
ontario
benchmarking
initiative
project
of
the
14
cities
that
that
reported
into
that
system.
N
Q
We
always
are
explaining
things,
but
I
think
I
think,
there's
a
common
sense
approach
here,
because
it
bothers
me
very
much
and
I
think
the
auditor
report
was
extremely
important
in
terms
of
what
our
infrastructure
is.
It
was
focusing
on
buildings,
but
this
this
idea
of
any
of
our
infrastructure,
including
roads,
is
a
concern
and
how
we
budget
for
it
and
how
we're
actually
hurting
ourselves
on
the
long
run,
because
it
will,
it
will
bite
us
back.
You
know,
so
I'm
just
looking
at.
Q
N
N
N
I
don't
suggest
or
propose
that
life
is
anywhere
near
that
simple
in
a
city,
it
is
a
matter
of
priority,
it
is
a
matter
of
consequences
and
and
and
that's
the
challenge
that
the
city
has
got
to
to
rise
up
to
meet,
and
I
can
say
I
still
don't
believe
that
the
current
plans
to
quote
fix
the
problems.
The
current
plans
are
not
adequately
funded
to
bring
the
roads
up
to
anywhere
near
that
state
of
good
repair
in
a
in
a
six-year
period.
N
A
D
Thanks
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
just
beside
me
here
at
work
at
city
hall.
These
are
the
notes
I
took
going
door-to-door
in
the
last
election
and
I
have
them
beside
me
because
I
look
at
them
now
and
then
and
I
plan
over
many
years
how
I'm
going
to
get
that
done.
I
can't
do
it
all
in
week,
one
but
they're
there,
because
those
30
plus
pages
from
my
residence
very
important
and
the
priorities
are
from
small
to
large.
D
D
This
is
the
job
of
of
councils
to
prioritize,
but,
mr
holmes,
my
direct
question
to
you
is
this:
in
your
analysis,
are
you
able
to
recommend
to
this
committee
priority
setting
in
in
the
sense
that
is
there
anything
in
this
budget
that
we
could
put
a
lesser
priority
on
in
order
to
put
more
resources
into
roads,
so
you've
identified
the
problem?
One
thing
that
counselors
struggle
with
is:
okay.
D
N
I'm
sorry,
but
in
the
in
the
short
time
I
can't
give
a
quick
answer
to
arrive
at
those
priorities.
I
have
to
go
through
the
same
sort
of
process
that
staff
and
council
did
to
arrive
at
the
results
of
the
universal
program
review.
I
mean
it's
unfair
for
me
to
start
picking,
which
ones
I
personally
think
are
different.
D
D
A
And
yes
and
I'll
also
say
thank
you,
mr
holmes,
very
well
done
presentation
at
this
point
we're
going
to
move
along
to
our
next
delegation.
So
you
know
further
questions
to
angela
keller
kurzaw
from
cafes,
and
I
see
angela,
there
he's
got
the
good
headset
going
on
so
you're,
no
stranger
to
committee
meetings.
You
have
five
minutes.
The
floor
is
yours,.
C
Perfect,
thank
you
good
morning.
So
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
cafes
as
you've
noted
community
associations
for
environmental
sustainability
cafes
was
founded
in
2010
and
is
a
forum
of
representatives
of
community
and
residence
associations
to
meet
exchange
and
engage
with
the
city
of
ottawa
on
environmental
issues.
Our
members
include
representatives
from
urban,
suburban
and
rural
communities,
currently
from
43
different
community
associations
and
six
citizens
associations.
C
C
C
I'm
sure
matthew,
fleury
has
noticed
that
of
of
these
179
vehicles
on
the
draft
budget,
2021
fleet
replacement
and
growth
list.
Zero
are
electric,
so
these
179
vehicles
on
your
shopping
list
are
effectively
fossil
fuel
infrastructure
that
lock
us
into
a
high
carbon
path
and
a
full
life
cycle
of
future
emissions.
C
C
Electric
vehicles
are
available
on
the
market
and
with
life
cycle
costing
are
competitive,
given
lower
operating
and
maintenance
costs.
Electric
trucks,
including
garbage
trucks
and
para
transport
vehicles,
are
starting
to
be
on
the
market
and
if
it
will
be
another
year
for
the
market
to
mature
for
our
specific
needs,
then
why
not
wait
for
a
year
for
some
of
these
buyers?
C
C
A
R
Thank
you
thanks
very
much
chair
and
thanks
for
being
here
angela,
I
I
am
concerned
as
well
about
this
in
terms
of
the
climate
change
emergency
that
we've
passed
and
that
emergency
not
seeming
to
match
the
actions
that
that
we're
putting
in
place
on
multiple
fronts
in
this
budget,
in
particular
on
on
your
very
good
delegation,
I
guess
what
other
solutions
are.
There's
you
know
what
other
innovative
options
exist
in
other
cities
facing
the
same
sort
of
renewal.
R
C
Thanks
thanks
counselor
menard
for
the
question
first.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
remark
that
that
we
have
worked
for
over,
like
I
think
the
past
two
terms
of
council
on
having
this
energy
evolution
strategy
and
plan.
So
it's
it's
not
like
the
city
of
ottawa
has
nothing
in
place
and
we
have
to
start
from
scratch
and
and
look
at
what
is
vancouver
doing,
let's
copy
them
we
do
have.
We
do
have
a
plan.
C
What
we
need
to
start
doing,
though,
is
is
to
to
make
that
turn
and
to
implement
the
plan
into
action.
So
I
think
the
the
question
on
what
could
ottawa
be
doing?
I
I
think
we
could
be
looking
in
some
corners
that
we
haven't
looked
so
much.
We
have
never
ever
in
all
the
years
that
I've
been
following.
The
climate
discussion
talked
about
hr
tools,
performance
incentives
for
staff.
C
So
if,
if
you're
a
staff
member
somewhere
in
the
middle
of
the
hierarchy
and
you're
busy
working
on
some
project
to
get
something
done,
then
your
performance
is
measured
on
that
track
and
and
for
you
to
turn
the
corner
and
start
making
modification
that
requires
change
management.
People
are
adverse
to
change,
so
are
there
ways
to
give
performance
incentives,
for
example,
to
staff,
to
make
innovations
to
start
making
climate
adjustments
to
have
carbon
budgets?
Perhaps
for
departments
in
in
the
city
and
and
different
departments
obviously
are
different
differently.
C
C
I'm
sure
that
a
little
battery
installed
to
keep
the
computer
running
could
result
in
in
a
massive
reduction
in
idling.
So
I
I
think
that
there
there
definitely
is
is
room
to
do
things
that
that
are
not
yet
on
the
discussion
plane
and-
and
we
certainly
can't
be
expecting
that
that
climate
group
to
be
from
their
little
vantage
point,
doing
everything.
I
think
that
it
takes
both
leadership
from
the
top
and
and
it's
a
very
horizontal
issue
right.
C
It's
climate
affects
so
the
operations
of
pretty
much
all
departments
and-
and
I
guess
the
hr
department-
probably
maybe
it
hasn't
affected
enough
yet
and
then
I
think
that
that
could
be
interesting
in
terms
of
helping
us
to
make
that
turn
and
to
get
off
this
like
zero
position,
which
I
think
it.
It
really
sends
like
a
very
loud
message
of
essentially
rejection
of
change.
For
now,.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
good
to
see
you
angela.
Thank
you
for
engagement
on
this.
I
agree
with
you
that
this
issue
is
horizontal
in
nature.
We
have
a
fleet
team
there,
they
work
within
parameters
and
they
work
with
what
they'll
call
clients,
which
are
the
various
departments
and
that
that
is
the
challenge.
The
the
fleet
that
needs
to
the
fleet
team
needs
to
be
empowered
to
make
decisions
today
that
offer
an
ability
to
continue
to
to
to
provide
the
services,
but
at
the
same
time,
are
also
front
leading.
H
It
does
leave
some
risks
and
I'm
I
I
will
formalize
that
request
to
staff
afterwards,
but
I
do
believe
that
we're
outside
of
the
procurement
now
and
that
the
one
resurfacer
that
is
being
replaced
this
year
will
be
a
pilot
electric.
So
I
don't
see
that
as
the
ultimate
solution,
but
it's
it's
a
big
step
in
the
right
direction,
so
I
will
be
asking
staff
when,
when
the
questions
come
as
it
relates
to
that-
and
maybe
my
last
my
question
to
you-
is
really
you're
an
economist
you,
we
share
the
importance.
H
Obviously,
council
has
passed
the
energy
evolution.
Can
you
speak
to?
We
can't
turn
key
like
this
procurement
and
we
can't
turn
key
like
this:
a
full
transition
to
electric.
How
do
you
see
each
budget
being?
You
know
a
step,
a
step
towards
those
changes.
How
do
you
see
that
unfold
from
from
your
perspective,.
C
Well,
one
one
of
the
great
things
about
not
being
like
a
single
household
but
being
a
whole
city
is:
is
that
you
can
you
have
a
better
capacity
to
manage
over
the
long
term
and
you
have
a
capacity
to
manage
for
the
whole
fleet
right.
So
I
think
you
can.
We,
as
a
city
can
get
much
more
optimal
kind
of
solutions
than
we
can
for
when
we're
doing
planning
for
an
individual
household
right.
C
So
there's
a
big
advantage
there,
and
one
of
the
things
that
good
forward
planning
is
that
we
could
say
well
in
in
two
three
years
we're
going
to
have
a
big
order,
for
I
don't
know,
50
trucks
of
this
specification,
so
we
can
start
placing
that
order.
Now
understanding
that
these
these
you
know
there
could
be
waiting
lists
for
getting
that
kind
of
like
fleet
size
order
and
and
specifications
for
our
local
needs.
So
so
that's
one
thing:
it's
not
just
like
an
instant
shopping
list
that
has
to
be
done
year
by
year.
C
I
think
that
there
there
is
a
space
between
what
the
procurement
folks
do
and
what
their
client
demands
are,
and
if
a
client
comes
along
and
says,
hey
I'd
like
to
have
a
mercedes
suv
to
help
me
with
my
so-and-so
job,
then
procurement
can
say
well
whoa,
whoa
whoa.
We
we
don't
allow
clients
to
specify
quite
that
narrowly
and
you
can't
have
a
souped-up
luxury
car.
We
need
to
have
things
in
certain
frameworks,
so
in
in
certain
frameworks.
C
If
that
framework
includes
metrics
for
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
then
automatically
the
alternatives
and
also
the
life
cycle
cost
because
for
the
electric
vehicles,
the
maintenance
and
fuel
cost
obviously
are
much
lower
over
the
lifetime
of
the
vehicle.
So
the
the
choice
of
what
are
we
looking
at
needs
to
be
also
with
procurement.
C
It
can't
just
be
that
the
client
department
can
can
have
a
wish
list
and
say
we're
going
to
replace
like
for
like
because
again
to
make
those
changes
to
turn
that
corner
is
difficult.
Most
of
us
want
to
resist
change
when
it's
proposed
to
us.
That's
our
first
reaction,
because
we
know
what's
tried
and
true.
A
B
Hi.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Great.
I'm
only
going
to
take
a
very
brief
moment,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
ecology,
ottawa
team
and
on
behalf
of
our
supporters,
I'm
here
to
echo
and
support
angela
keller
herzog's
delegation.
The
climate
emergency
requires
changes
to
the
business
as
usual
approach.
This
includes
procurement
and
fleet
purchasing
or
replacement
investment
processes.
B
A
A
P
F
P
Around
150,
okay,
thank
you
and
you
know
we're
hearing.
Delegations
suggest
that
we
need
to
electrifly
our
fleet
right
now.
So
put
aside
the
discussion
on
the
buses
because,
as
you
well
know-
and
I
think
the
public
is
aware,
we
have
a
pilot
project
that
we're
undertaking
this
year
to
evaluate
whether
our
routes
in
our
system
could
be
well
served
by
electric
buses
or
if
we
have
to
wait
for
another
generation
here,
but
for
the
the
other
vehicles
that
the
city
has.
P
B
So
thank
you
for
the
question
and
I'll
ask
yancey
louis
to
provide
further
details.
I
I
would
like
to
say
that
we
are
committed
to
greening
the
fleet.
There
are
another,
a
number
of
initiatives
underway,
including
replacement
of
vehicles
in
2021.,
so
we
do
have
a
life
cycle
replacement
plan
and
we
do
replace
with
green
where
it
meets
our
operational
requirements,
and
I
will
ask
ms
hussein
louis
to
provide
further
details
on
this.
B
L
Thank
you
that
is,
that
is
correct.
This
year's
replacement
plan
has
including
growth
179
vehicles.
The
majority
of
those
are
heavy
vehicles,
but
the
ones
that
are
light
and
where
well
again,
cars
smallest
uvs.
When
options
are
available
and
proven
we
transition
them,
we
kind
of
convert
them
automatically.
So
that's
that
is
tr
that
that
is
basically
invisible.
When
you
look
at
the
list
of
vehicle,
we're
replacing
it's
just
it's
part
of
our
standard.
L
We
just
converted
again
this
year
is
a
fairly
small
replacement
plan
in
comparison
to
other
years,
so
there's
not
as
many
options
as
they
could
have
been.
For
example,
last
year
we
converted
over
50
vehicles
to
either
hybrid
or
electric.
We
continue
we've
been
doing
that
for
years,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
that.
We're
also
working
at
embedding
our
green
fleet
plan
as
part
of
our
normal
operation.
L
It's
not
something!
That's
going
away,
it's
not
something!
That's
temporary!
It
has
to
be
part
of
our
process
and
we're
working
on
that
technology
is
moving
fast.
So
we
need
something:
that's
flexible,
that's
that
we
can
adapt
the
technology,
that's
sustainable
over
time
and
we'll
be
presenting
that
plan
by
the
end
of
queue
to
next
year.
L
P
You
said
you're,
you
evaluate
the
needs
based
on
what
the
request
is.
So
if
the
department
comes
to
you
and
says
they
need
x
number
of
vehicles,
you
look
at
those
what
those
vehicles
will
be
required
to
do
before
you
decide
which
options
available
right,
you're
not
automatically
going
to
electric
in
cases
where
electric
may
not
I'm
taking,
for
example,
garbage
trucks.
P
L
P
Okay,
I
think
that's
a
very
prudent
approach.
I'm
sure
taxpayers
would
appreciate
that
we
do
that.
Okay,
thank
you.
Now
I
I'll
ask
the
question
and
staff
can
decide
who's.
Gonna
answer
this
early
on.
We
had
some
comments
about
the
infrastructure
master
plan
and
several
of
my
colleagues
pointed
out
that
you
know
we
had
a
10-year
plan.
M
J
All
right,
I
can
talk
about
the
long-range
financial
plan,
so
what
we
had
done
is
we
had
increased,
how
much
we're
contributing
by
an
additional
2
million
from
what
was
in
the
long
range
financial
plan
which
had
identified
10
years
so
that
cut
it
back
to
seven
years.
So
it's
actually
seven
years
that
we're
going
to
recover
and
I'm
trying
to
recall
the
the
gap
was
90
million
dollars
and
now
it's
down
to
50
million
dollars
annually.
J
P
Yeah,
thank
you
as
well.
That's
a
good
point
to
make
so
speaking,
specifically
to
roads,
because
that's
what
the
delegation
was
in
talking
about.
Can
staff
confirm
that
that
what
was
originally
a
10-year
plan
got
the
roads
up
to
where
the
delegation
was
suggesting
that
most
municipalities
are
trying
to
be.
G
P
So
we're
keeping
an
eye
on
the
condition
of
the
roads
like
the
ones
that
are
failing,
you're
saying
we
triage
that,
and
at
least
that's
why
I
think
I'm
hearing
from
you
is
that
we're
doing
that
on
ongoing
basis.
So
if
a
road
was
listed
as
fair,
four
or
five
years
ago,
if
it's
failing
now,
we
update
that
status.
Is
that
correct.
G
We
certainly
appreciate
that
there
are
roads
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
particularly
local
roads
that
are
in
poorer
condition.
We
we
will
get
to
them
after
we've
addressed
the
higher
priority
roads
and
many
of
those
local
roads
are
also
done
in
in
the
integrated
reconstruction
projects
where
we're
replacing
the
underground
infrastructure.
So
that's
also
another
area
where
a
lot
of
those
roads
being
addressed.
So
you
know
certainly
we'd
love
to
be
able
to
do
more,
but
we
are
doing
what
the
finance
long-range
financial
plan
allows
us
to
do.
P
One
last
question
on
that:
if
I
may,
mr
chair,
if
are
we
looking
like
when
we
do
this
exercise
to
compile
this
budget
that's
before
us
today?
Has
there
been
any
dialogue
with
the
industry
to
say
you
know,
look
we're
looking
at
spending
50
million
dollars
in
roads.
Is
there
any
opportunity
that
we
can
get
a
better
price
by
doing
this
kind
of
volume
with
them.
G
So
chair,
we
are
in
in
our
pavement
renewal
program.
We
already
do
bundle
a
number
of
projects
in
bulk
in
in
a
series
of
contracts,
they're
led
on
a
geographic
basis,
so
all
the
roads
in
the
south
are
put
in
one
contract
package
to
try
to
find
the
savings.
That's
the
sort
of
thing
we
already
do
do
and
we
have
very
regular
meetings
with
the
national
capital,
heavy
construction
association,
where
we
talk
about
strategies
on
how
to
stretch
our
dollars.
K
Here,
yes,
that
the
the
permanent
traffic
calming
program
resides
in
my
area
and
we
do
have
staff
that
can
handle
the
the
studies.
The
issue
is
about
funding
to
implement
the
study's
recommendations,
but
we've
seen
an
increase
in
the
last
few
years.
It
used
to
be
some
years.
It
was
very,
very
low,
but
in
the
last
few
years
we've
seen
an
increase
up
to
two
million
per
year
to
implement
the
measures,
so
we
are
able
to
keep
up.
There
is
the
study.
D
E
K
E
D
E
E
We
expect
when
the
first
we
saw
when
the
first
few
cameras
started
in
july.
We
were
getting
complaints
and
saying
you
know.
I
got
four
or
five
tickets
because
I
didn't
know
they
were
working
or
we
would
expect
that
those
people
when
they
start
driving
down
those
roads,
realizes
they're
in
and
study,
has
shown
that
that
the
reduction
of
the
number
of
tickets
goes
down
to
to
about
20
or
30
percent
of
the
total
traffic
versus
maybe
the
first
few
weeks.
It's
a
lot
higher.
E
So
again
we
will
bring
bring
back
the
report
to
committee
next
summer
that
will
summarize
those
impacts
in
terms
of
financial.
It
also
looked
good
to
see.
Have
they
been
effective
in
reducing
speeds
and
also
looking
at
in
terms
of
how
do
we
move
forward
with
this
program
and
there's
also
the
the
costs
in
terms
of
the
the
court
costs
and
also
in
the
revenue
with
the
additional
fines?
So
we're
all
looking
at
that
we're
working
very
closely
with
with
service
ottawa
and
finance
to
to
get
all
those
cuts.
E
The
the
crossing
guard
project
is
our
program
is
an
operational
program.
So,
in
terms
of
my
understanding
and
the
clerk's
office
can
confirm-
is
that
that
wouldn't
be
possible
because
it's
a
year-over-year
cost
versus
like
a
capital
cost
where,
if
it's
a
one-time
thing
we
have
done
in
situations
where
there's
construction,
you
know
we
do
fun
to
guard
for
a
year,
but
it's
it's
well
known
by
the
community
as
well
as
as
a
counselor.
This
is
a
temporary
fix
to
address
that
specific
issue.
D
I
I
but
I
I
have
received
this
chair
this
answer
in
the
past.
I
don't
understand
that
it's
one
thing
for
me
to
not
direct
funds
like
into
the
next
ten
year
of
council
right.
I
can't
allocate
those
funds
to
the
next
counselor
but
from
let's
just
say,
2020
to
2021,
I'm
still
the
counselor,
I'm
in
control
of
my
2020
budget,
my
2021
budget.
I
don't
understand-
and
this
is
a
hypothetical
question,
but
the
need
is
there.
We
have
chair
intersections
where
we
need
crossing
guards.
D
E
We
did
revise
the
warrants
to
make
it
more
easier
to
to
beat
the
warrants
in
terms
of
looking
at
different
criteria.
So,
for
example,
as
we
used
to
look
at
you
know,
we
do
a
study
and
if
there
was
a
you
know,
there
was
a
conflict
at
an
intersection
day.
We
did
the
study
that
it
may
meet
the
warrants,
but
if
we're
there
another
day
and
that
there
was
no
conflict
wouldn't
mean
so
we
looked
at
exposure.
I.
D
Just
want
to
say
this
work,
let
me
work
with
my
community
and
I'll.
Let
them
know
hey
at
the
end
of
the
year
the
funds
run
out,
but
I
need
a
clear
direction,
chair
from
staff
that
if
I
can
use
my
office
budget
to
finance
a
crossing
guard,
it's
up
to
me
to
work
with
my
community
and
say:
look
come
june.
Money's
over
we'll
have
to
work
on
a
plan,
but
that's
where
I'm
at
sure,
I'm
not
asking
for
new
but
new
money
to
be
put
into
the
budget.
F
B
I
I
just
add
to
your
response
there,
mr
manconi
kelser.
I
agree
we
should
take
this
offline,
there's
a
more
holistic
look
that
we
have
to
put
on
this
in
terms
of
understanding
that
need,
I
will
look
at
it
from
the
financial
perspective.
I
agree
very
much
with
mr
landry's
comments.
It
is
a
temporary
thing,
so
we
need
to
understand
that
impact
now
and
going
into
the
future,
but
happy
to
work
with
you
on
this.
D
A
O
I
I
Yeah,
so
we
do,
I
mean
we
are
looking
at
the
priority
areas
to
do
roadside
cutting.
We
do
have,
as
you
know,
a
number
of
kilometers
that
we
maintain
city
wide,
so
they
are
looking
at
more
innovative
ways
on
on
managing
the
roadside
cutting
are
we
cutting
back
to
to
ditch
lines?
Are
we
cutting
back
defense
lines,
so
there
has
been
some
work
done.
I
Yes,
it
was
there
a
bit
of
an
impact
moving
into
this
summer
with
with
kobit,
we
definitely
had
less
staff
working
at
particular
times,
just
in
order
for
us
to
manage
the
safety
of
our
staff
and
make
sure
that
we
had
some
of
the
priority
tasks
being
taken
care
of.
So
we
will
definitely
take
a
look
at
if
there's
a
specific
areas
that
you're
considering
please
reach
out
and-
and
we
can
talk
to
you
about
specific
areas.
O
O
Now
it's
no
longer
it's
just
cutting
the
grass
to
make
it
look
pretty
now
it's
safety,
so
I
need
to
well
I'm
glad
it's
still
there
and
I'm
glad
still
there-
and
I
understand
kobe
19
obviously
made
a
change
to
the
operation,
but
I
will
you
know
I
would
encourage
you.
This
is
not
about
cosmetic.
We
heard
loud
and
clear
from
the
farmers
also
not
carrying
our
our
grass
on
the
side
of
the
road
is
impacting
with
with
their
field.
So
we
have
to
make
sure
we
can.
O
We
still
address
this
this
issue,
but
I'm
okay
with
that
one
item
and
I'm
not
sure
I
think
it's
available
or
when
they
talk
about
exponential,
but
by
program,
fleet
service
manager
and
the
actual
budget
in
2019
was
509,
but
the
forecast
for
2020
was
9091
and
then
they
talked
about
2021
budget
is
budget
271
estimated
277
changes
over
the
budget.
2020
is
six,
is
that
in
the
fleet,
or
is
that
a
typo
somewhere?
I'm
trying
to
understand
this
item?
I
don't
know
if
one
you
maybe
can
explain.
B
B
O
O
I
have
805
kilometer
off
roads,
yes
and
I
will
still
have
gravel
road
believe
it
or
not,
and-
and
I
I
understand
there
is
a
need
across
the
city,
but
I'm
not
sure
how
much
really
you
can
do
any
more,
between
affordability
and
and
with
what's
on
the
front
of
us,
I
I
just
if,
if
any
way
and
any
any
other
level
of
government
that
can
step
up
and
help
us,
I
have
to
tell
you
this
summer
we
cannot
fix.
The
road
was
affected
by
the
by
the
flood
2019..
O
Even
our
staff
identified
those
roads,
they're
safe,
they
called
them
safe,
but
they
called
them
compromise.
And
yet
the
provincial
government
refused
to
help
us
with
the
3.8
million
dollars
to
fix
those
road
to
be
accessible
in
case
of
another
flood
or
in
case
of
another
emergency.
So
I
just
want
to
know
we
are
trying
everything
we
can
in
2012.
Some
of
you
were
not
on
council.
We
even
made
the
huge
investment
to
be
able
to
catch
up,
because
mr
hall
makes
a
good
point.
O
If
we
don't
fix
it
today,
it's
going
to
cost
us
more
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
I
understand
that
I
think
any
one
of
us
understand
this
question.
Is
we
don't
even
have
the
money
today
to
fix
that,
never
mind
so
I'll
leave
it
with
you.
I
know
it's
easy
to
to
those
reports
we
saw
on
the
front
of
us.
O
O
So,
mr
chair,
I
want
to
thank
you,
for
you
know.
This
is
a
good
budget
for
us.
I
I
I
hope
to
I
heard
from
mr
rose:
there's
nothing
we're
not
trying
whether
to
work
with
the
with
the
with
the
heavy
construction,
people
or
road
builders
and
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
even
to
the
point
where
we
were
creative.
This
summer
I
made
a
switch
with
another
council
to
be
able
to
use
my
cash
in
lu
to
pay
abroad.
O
M
O
R
Thanks
very
much
chair,
I'm
gonna
start
my
question.
There's
three
or
four
things
I
wanted
a
question
on.
One
is
on
the
fleet
renewal.
So
I
just
wanted
to
come
back
to
this,
because
we've
said
that
there's
for
mr
san
luis
there's
a
sort
of
automatic
conversion
that
we're
trying
to
implement,
but
was
the
delegation
miss
angela
keller
herzog,
correct
that
that
there's
179
vehicles
in
and
they're
not
elect?
None
of
them
are
electric.
Some
of
them
may
be
hybrid,
but
can
you
just
clarify
on
on
those
new
179
vehicles.
L
The
179
vehicles,
thank
you
for
the
question.
The
list
provided
is:
are
the
old
vehicles
going
out
so
yeah
on
there
there's
nothing
electric,
but
we
are
replacing
them.
As
I
mentioned,
the
plan
is
here
is
mainly
heavy,
but
there
are
a
number
of
smaller
units
that
will
be
automatically
converted
to
hybrid
and
we're
working
on
potentially
up
to
five
electric
one
in
there.
R
That's
great,
can
you
send
me
more
information
offline
about
this?
Just
in
terms
of
you
know
the
the
vehicles
in
our
fleet
replacement
in
the
next.
You
know
five
years
anticipated
and
what,
with
what
we're
anticipating
to
to
switch
to
electric
versus
not
and
just
some
of
the
justification,
it'll
help
me
with
some
some
residents
in
my
ward,
who
are
very
much
on
this
and
just
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
the
overall
plan
in
the
next
little.
While
is
that
possible.
R
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
regarding
parking
rates
in
this
budget,
I'm
just
wondering
there
was
a
report
produced
a
few
years
ago
about
the
most
effective
way
to
reduce
congestion
without
building
expensive
infrastructure
and,
and
it
was
around
demand-based
parking
rates
and
parking
rates.
Does
staff
acknowledge
the
the
potential
for
inexpensive
congestion
reduction
that
can
come
from
demand-based
parking
rates.
S
S
The
park
parking
services
works
within
their
the
municipal
park
management
strategy
and
and
a
lot
of
work
went
into
that
to
drive
our
objectives
and
the
the
directions
for
the
program.
We
do
draw
a
connection
between
parking
rates
and
parking
demand
and
have
started
down
that
road
of
more
dynamic
base
pricing.
R
Very
good
thanks
scott
and
your
team
just
does
great
work.
I
appreciate
that
that
answer
and
look
forward
to
the
the
future
sort
of
changes
that
we
would
see
to
this.
I
think
we
we
shouldn't
wait
too
much
longer,
so
hopefully
we
can.
We
can
do
that
fairly
fairly
quickly,
I'm
going
to
move
to
the
funding
from
our
traffic
cameras,
so
I
just
want
to
try
to
understand
as
much
as
possible
the
amount
of
funding
from
our
traffic
cameras.
R
I
read
it
in
the
fedco
report,
there's
a
portion
of
that
that
goes
to
ops,
the
police
service,
and
that
is
supposed
to
end
within
the
three
years
that
we
had
this
and
I
think
we
originally
set
this
out
in
2019.
So
is
this
the
last
year
of
of
the
the
formula
for
for
how
we
distribute
those
funds
collected
from
those
traffic
cameras?
If
you
can
just
clarify
for
me
and
provide
more
intel.
B
R
R
Okay,
so
I'll
work
with
staff
on
that
in
advance
of
council,
because
that's
on
top
of
the
13.2
million
dollar
increase
chair,
I
won't
bring
a
motion
today
on
it,
but
I
will
work
with
staff
to
see
if
that's
something
that
we
can
look
at
reallocating
and
as
a
signal
to
the
future
of
where
these
these
funds
should
potentially
go
in
terms
of
bank
for
our
bucks.
So
thank
you
very
much
miss
steffensen.
R
Okay,
thank
you,
chair
thanks
kelly,
so
it'd
be
no
surprise
to
members
on
the
committee,
I'm
skeptical
of
road
road,
widenings
and
so
series
of
questions
around
this.
What
what
evidence
are
we
using
that
widening
the
roads
that
are
proposed
to
be
widen?
The
three
the
three
roads
on
our
agenda
here
will
lead
to
better
traffic
outcomes
and
reduce
congestion
over
the
medium
and
long
term.
What
evidence
are
we
using
to
to
implement
these.
K
Chair,
the
the
background
is
that
there,
these
roads
are
part
of
the
network
that
was
planned
through
the
transportation
master
plan.
Looking
at
the
entire
city
and
and
they're
part
of
the
affordable
plan,
there
were
many
more
roads
that
were
identified
as
needed,
but
because
of
affordability,
we've
scaled
it
back
and
that's
through
the
modeling.
We
assumed
that
there
were
the
targets
for
the
other
modes
were
already
reached,
so
this
is
the
residual
and
we
still
require
roads.
K
So
because,
with
congestion
I
think
when
you
widen,
like
I
said,
for
the
alta
vista-
sorry
barefoot
parkway,
you
know
it
was.
It
has
had
other
benefits,
not
just
the
capacity
in
that
corridor.
It
would
alleviate
some
of
the
cut
through
traffic
in
riverside
park.
It's
the
project
itself
also
includes
active
transportation
facilities.
You'll
have
a
wonderful
long
map
on
the
west
side
of
the
parkway
and
it
connects
communities.
R
It's
helpful,
I
I
would
like
to
see
more
evidence
from
staff
about
the
congestion
portion,
though
I
think
some
of
those
other
pieces
make
sense.
You
know
some
of
the
transportation
and
other
other
pieces
around
flow
through
traffic,
but
on
the
evidence
of
a
reduction
of
congestion
for
these
roads
based
on,
you
know,
induced
demand
and
what
we've
seen
there.
R
What
is
the
wisdom
of
expanding
that
airport
parkway
and
that
section
of
bank
street
when
we're
also
investing
so
much
in
light
rail
to
the
airport
and
when
the
bank
street
widening
would
compete
with
the
new
north-south
lrt,
which
is
to
go
to
lychram?
I'm
really
not
understanding.
Why
would
be
widening
roads
in
those
same
sections
that
lrt
is
supposed
to
go
up
to
30.
A
K
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Okay,
so
I
have
a
number
of
questions,
maybe
start
with
the
delegation
and
following
councilman
al's
points
around
the
fleet.
So
could
we
understand,
I
think,
in
the
presentation
it
said
that
this
year
in
2021
we're
planning
to
replace
162
vehicles?
How
many
of
those
are
planned
to
be
electric.
H
L
D
L
That
being
said,
we're
delaying
the
replacement
of
zamboni's
for
this
year.
As
many
as
we
can,
we
still
have
to
go
through
inspection
on
some
of
them
to
make
sure
you
know,
we
can
postpone
it
and
use
the
pilot
for
2021
to
inform
the
decision
to
replace
tens
and
bones
so
we're
trying
to
pilot
it.
As
you
know,
we
have
for
them
electric
right
now
in
our
fleet.
Unfortunately,
they
did
not
meet
all
the
requirements
from
the
clients.
L
H
L
H
Okay
and
then
can
you
confirm
that,
based
on
this
change
of
procurement,
that
we're
not
expanding
the
procurement,
because
that's
where
we
got
trapped
a
couple
of
years
ago,
is
we
had
a
an
existing
procurement
that
forced
us
into
purchasing
a
particular
type
as
the
technology
is
evolving?
Can
we
can
we
make
sure
that
it's
not
more
than
a
year's
year's
worth
of
purchasing.
H
L
L
H
Okay,
on
page
34,
we
talk
about
a
really
good
savings
relating
to
similar
conversation,
but
on
the
street
lighting
front,
we've
we're
converting
our
street
lights
to
led
most
of
it's
done
and
we're
saving
money,
we're
saving
1.6
million,
and
I
want
to
understand
the
public
policy
environment
of
those
dollars.
Because
to
me
that's
a
really
great
way
to
fund
new
green
vehicles
would
be
through
those
efficiencies.
But
I
don't
know
where
those
funds
are
going
as
part
of
those
savings.
On
page
34.
E
Through
your
chairs,
so
those
that
saving
of
1.5
million
dollars
is
going
to
fund
the
payer,
marking
material,
that's
required
for
the
new
payout
marking
truck,
so
that
was
the
new
payment
market
truck,
as
you
recall,
was
a
report
we
brought
forward
to
last
year
and
we've
we've
gone
out
and
tendered
a
new
truck
they're
in
the
process
of
building
it
and
we're
expecting
to
see
it
next
spring.
But
it
takes
a
different
type
of
paint.
That's
a
lot
more
expensive.
H
K
K
They
tend
to
be
for
things
like
rail
quarters
when
they
come
up
for
sale
and
those
are
very
expensive,
so
we're
collecting
a
little
bit
each
year
to
build
up.
We
have
some
properties.
Well,
there's
one
at
the
beechburg
north
that
was
vacant
that
was
abandoned
and
we're
in
negotiations
on
the
acquisition
of
that.
There
are
a
few
other
parcels
throughout
the
city
where
there
was
a
commitment
made
to
realign
a
road
or
realign
something.
So
that's
what
that
account
is
for.
K
H
Okay,
no,
I
appreciate
the
clarification
on
the
public
works
front
on
page
30,
there's
a
presented
deficit
and
it
specifically
lays
it
out,
which
is
the
rito
river
ice
management
of
500
000.
It's
actually
an
important
measure
I,
but
can
we
can
we
understand
the
specifics
of
why
why
it's
cost
us
more
to
break
the
ice
along
the
rideau
river.
I
Hi
councillor,
thank
you
for
that
question
with
the
rideau
river
flood
control
program
that
that's
just
a
flow
through
it,
we
do
recover
those
funds
from
the
conservation
authority
and
it
really
is
weather
dependent
on
what
those
costs
are
annually.
So
those
are
recoverable,
and
that
shows
in
our
revenue.
H
Thanks
for
clarification,
so
it
is
covered
through
the
rv
series,
we're
doing
the
work
with
the
cover.
Okay
in
the
same
group,
lila
there's
no
growth
for
your
team
in
public
works
and,
as
we
know,
we
get
more
roads
where
there's
more
pressure
to
do
more
work
in
my
area
at
sidewalks
and
other
parts
of
the
community
of
communities,
it's
different
stuff,
so
we're
a
growing
city.
I
want
I'm
sort
of
I.
What
I
want
to
hear
from
you
is
in
2021.
H
I
Absolutely
you
know
moving
into
2021.
It
is
a
no
growth
budget
for
us,
particularly
because
we
understand
that
the
city
may
be
seeing
some
additional
financial
pressures
due
to
copen,
but
with
the
maintenance
quality
standard
review
that
we're
going
to
start
our
public
consultation
process
in
january.
I
We
are
on
track
to
bring
back
recommendations
to
committee
council
in
fall
of
2021
and
through
that
we
will
also
bring
an
implementation
plan
and
potential
budget
impacts
for
2022
and
beyond.
So
at
this
point
in
time.
Yes,
we
are
working
on
a
no
growth
budget,
but
we
do
expect
to
be
coming
back
to
community
council
with
recommendations
and
an
implementation
plan
for
those.
H
It's
good
to
hear,
because
that
that
was
the
hiccup
for
me
in
supporting
this
committee
budget
was
really
to
make
sure
that
were
appropriately
responding
to
to
our
our
city's
needs.
So
I'll
wait
for
the
mqs
and
and
put
my
attention
there
in
terms
of
the
fte
and
resources.
Mr
chair,
I
have
two
more
questions.
Is
it
is
it
appropriate
to
ask?
Would
you
want
me
to
get
back
on.
H
D
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
I
I
can
be
brief
because
most
of
the
questions
and
concerns
that
I
have
have
been
addressed
by
others,
I
would
say,
first
of
all,
with
respect
to
the
fleet,
renewal
and
the
question
of
electrification.
Of
that
I
I
think
staff
are
hearing
a
clear
appetite
on
the
part
of
committee
members
to
delve
a
bit
more
into
that
and
get
more
detailed
information.
D
I
think
in
previous
years
there
may
be
less
may
have
been
less
interest
in
knowing
which
f-150s
are
going
to
be
replaced
with
which
other
f-150s,
but
as
we're
faced
with
the
with
the
climate
crisis,
there
are
clear
questions.
You
know
the
the
160-plus
vehicles
that
we're
going
to
replace
I'd
like
to
know
you
know
which
of
those
in
any
given
year
are
going
to
be
quote,
unquote,
light
vehicles.
D
I
just
had
my
meeting
yesterday
with
with
city
staff
with
sophie
and
robert
to
talk
about.
How
are
we
going
to
spend
our
2021
budget?
It's
it's
close
to
a
two-hour
meeting
every
one
of
those
locations.
I
think
I
have
probably
20
locations
that
we're
evaluating
need
to
be
evaluated
by
staff,
and
if
I'm
going
to
put
a
bunch
more
money
into
my
traffic
calming
budget,
you
know
I
could
be
doing
or
could
be
asking
staff
to
evaluate
several
dozen
locations
around
the
ward
in
a
given
year.
D
That's
a
lot
of
work
for
staff.
I
haven't
been
told
no
yet,
but
it
is
a
concern
for
me
as
we
move
forward,
and
I
do
start
seeing
more
of
that
funding.
Please,
you
know
be
open
to
the
notion
of
of
adding
resources
to
help
sophie
and
robert
out
in
future
years,
because
I
I
don't
want
to
be
told
no,
we
can't
implement
measures
that
you
have
money
for
because
we
can't
plan
for
them
the
snow
budget,
which
it's
a
really
interesting.
D
This
year,
we've
barely
talked
about
it
very
different
from
previous
years,
and
I
certainly
appreciate
the
work
the
staff
have
done
to
go
over
and
above
in
terms
of
funding
every
year
to
catch
us
up.
I
used
to
track
inflationary
pressures
and
and
average
snowfalls,
and
I
don't
need
to
do
that
anymore,
because
the
snow
budget
now
appears
to
be
sufficient.
I
So
I
I
do
understand
that
the
snowfall
was
slightly
below
average.
I
believe
our
average
snowfall
is
about
223
centimeters.
I
think
we
received
around
205
last
year,
but
we
did
see
more
freestyle
cycles,
so
we
are
as
close
to
an
average
winter.
I
think
that
then
we
have
been
in
a
long
time.
So,
yes,
we
are
temp
at
this
point
in
time
we
are
forecasting
a
slight
surplus
in
our
budget.
I
D
No,
I
am.
I
am
satisfied
that
you
know
the
the
past.
Several
budgets
that
have
topped
up
the
snow
budget
have
got
us
to
the
point
where
we
need
to
be,
and
and
hopefully,
in
some
years,
we'll
see
a
surplus
and
some
years
we'll
see
a
deficit,
and
it
will
start
averaging
out
a
bit
better
than
it
has
in
past.
I
only
have
one
final
question
chair,
which
is
with
respect
to
the
airport
parkway
widening.
K
D
Q
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
staff
for
the
presentation
in
terms
of
the
speed
cameras
we
have
one
in
in
bayward
and
I
think
it's
been
very
successful.
Actually,
on
bay
shore
drive
in
front
of
a
school,
we
really
appreciate
it
and
I'm
wondering
about
the
criteria
for
spending
the
the
fines.
How
does
that
work?
Is
it
put
into
a
pot?
Is
it
ward
related
or
is
it?
E
Through
your
chair,
so
this
was
addressed
when
we
did
our
road
safety
action
plan
that
any
revenue
that
came
in
through
the
automated
speed
enforcement
would
be
re-allocated
to
road
safety.
So
the
four
million
dollars-
that's
in
the
budget
this
year
or
2021,
comes
directly
from
the
automated
speed
enforcement
program
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we'll
be
bringing
a
report
to
committee
in
march.
That
will
outline
our
work
plan
for
2021
on
how
those
funds
would
be
spent
to
to
try
to
reduce
the
serious
collisions
and
fatalities
in
the
city.
E
It
could
be
used
for
cycling,
safety,
pedestrian
safety,
there's
also
a
component,
that's
tied
to
the
operating
costs,
so
in
our
budget,
there's
1.245
million
dollars
and
that's
for
the
operating
side
and
that's
taking
out
that
funding
as
well.
So,
basically,
the
funding
that
that's
being
reallocated
to
road
safety
is
more
than
that.
After
all,
the
costs
are
addressed.
Q
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
One
of
the
concerns
I
hear
about
for
from
cyclists
and
myself
is
connectivity,
and
how
is
this
being
addressed
in
the
budget?
How
can
groups
like
if
we,
if
we
put
together
a
group
in
our
in
our
ward,
because
we
see
issues,
it's
usually
crossing
main
streets
and
things
like
that?
K
Counselor
well,
actually,
we
are
updating
our
active
transportation
master
plan.
We
had
a
survey
go
out
last
month.
We're
collecting
a
lot
of
input
and
people
are
pointing
out
to
us
where
there
are
gaps.
There's
just
some.
You
know
areas
that
may
require
a
little
bit
of
improvement
to
make
it
even
more
safe.
K
Q
Well,
one
of
the
big
issues
in
in
bayward
right
now
is
is
the
fact
that
stage
two
lrt
construction
is
going
right
through
it,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
that
happens
is
connectivity
is
important
getting
to
the
stations
and
it's
a
bit
of
a
melange
of
the
the
funding
that
was
designated
for
stage
two
lrt
along
with
what
the
city
is.
Is
you
know,
there's
sort
of
a
cross
section?
How
is
that
sorted
out
in
the
budget?
Q
K
Yeah,
my
team
is
having
lots
of
interaction
with
michael
morgan,
the
lead
for
stage
two.
So
we
know
what
can
be
covered
under
stage
two
budget
and
then
we
look
at
what
we
can
provide
from
our
own
cycling
program
and
pedestrian
program.
So
we're
coordinating
our
efforts
there
you're
right
it
is
very
complex
and
but
we're
working
together
on
that
and
we
are
listening
to
counselors
who
have
put
in
requests
or
have
made
suggestions.
So
that's
we're
trying
to
make
these
things
happen
in
a
coordinated
fashion.
Q
I
I
appreciate
it
because
that,
when
we
decided
to
budget
for
stage
two
there's
so
much
that
you
know
we
didn't
consider
in
terms
of
the
interims
and
the
construction
and
the
detours,
especially
for
cyclists
and
for
pedestrians,
and
that's
what
keeps
coming
up.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
it
can
be
covered
off.
Q
F
Counselor,
you
know,
I
know
many
of
your
issues
there,
but
not
just
there,
but
also
knee
stand
and
the
benefits
of
having
all
modes
under
one
department
is
vv,
phil
and
michael
all
report
directly
to
me,
and
they
know
the
mission.
The
mission
is
connectivity
during
construction
and
post
construction.
F
If
and
if
there's
gaps,
we've
already
assembled
that
team
to
bring
forward
any
gaps
and
get
them
closed
off
before
stage
two
opens
up,
because
we
want
that
connectivity
and,
as
you
know,
we're
dealing
with
the
parkway
issue
in
your
end,
I
know
in
the
east
end
we're
dealing
with
some
stuff
over
near
blair
station
and
so
forth,
so
they're
all
under
one
roof.
It's
one
view
it's
integrated
mobility
and
we
want
people
to
walk
cycle,
jog
rollerblade,
all
that
stuff
to
those
stations.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
manconi.
The
the
other
issue
is
the
fact
that
connectivity
involves
using
ncc
land,
and
one
of
the
questions
that
keeps
coming
up
is
making
sure
that
it's
and-
and
this
is
where
it
gets
tricky,
because
it's
on
ncc
land,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
year-round
connectivity,
not
just
not
just
nice
bike
paths
that
are
are
used
in
the
summer,
but
full
functioning
with
lighting
and
snow
clearing.
F
Well,
we're
michael
and
myself
are
are
having
those
discussions.
The
big
challenge
is,
in
the
west
end
there
in
the
western
parkway,
as
I
always
say,
the
the
cyclists
and
the
pedestrians
really
don't
care.
What
level
of
government
owns
the
asset?
They
just
want
mobility
and
we
view
it
as
one
city
and
so
we're
pushing
hard.
We
may
need
some
political
help
in
that
regard,
but
we
understand
the
message
and
we
know
what
we
have
to
do.
F
We
we
may
have
some
difficult
discussions
that
we're
going
to
look
to
counsel
to
to
help
us
push
through
and
over
in
the
public
works
side
of
things
that
if
they
have
to
win
to
maintain
them
or
do
the
electrical
retrofits
and
so
forth,
there's
money
associated
with
that.
So
right
now
it's
about
having
the
right
discussion
that
we
want
that
connectivity
and
then
funding
follows
strategy.
So
it's
mapping
out
how
we
move
forward.
Q
Q
We
have,
along
moody,
drive
a
brand
new
path
that
the
ncc
built
redone
and
it's
beautiful,
but
and
but
it's
it
and
it
connects
the
the
new
national
defense
headquarters
with
with
the
station.
But
it's
no
good
in
the
winter.
It's
not
lit.
It's
not.
It's
meant
to
be
a
nature
path,
and
it's
not
meant
for
connectivity
in
the
full
sense.
So
are
we
having
those
discussions
to
to
make
sure
that,
for
the
future
budgets.
F
So
so
we
are
and-
and
I
think
the
problem
in
the
past
has
always
been
about
winter
maintenance
and
lighting-
you
know
the
the
swing.
I
don't
want
to
use
the
word
pivot,
because
that's
the
overused
word
right
now,
but
the
swing
is
connectivity
and
you
know
I
looked
to
counselor
brockington.
We
had
the
exact
same
discussion
with
him.
He
has
a
missing
link
that
goes
over
a
ontario
hydro
corridor,
there's
a
path,
so
the
users
can
see
it,
they
just
can't
use
it,
and
so
this
is
about
not
you
know.
F
Do
we
always
need
more
dollars
or
do
we
need
to
get
smarter
about
using
the
assets?
I'm
not
saying
they're
slam
dunks,
I
just
we're
wide
open
to
getting
mobility
on
all
modes
freed
up
and
it
can't
always
be
about
more
money,
but
if
it
has
to
be
at
will
we're
working
on
the
exact
same
situation
with
counselor
brockton
as
you've
described.
That
was
a
discussion
I
believe
last
friday.
Q
B
E
Hi
constantines
so
we're
we
built
a
couple
of
intersections
this
year
and
also
through
the
road
safety
action
plan.
We
were
able
to
fund
two
pedestrian
signals.
One
got
built
this
year
when
will
get
done
next
year.
We
also
allocated
some
funding
for
detailed
design
so
that
it's
basically
the
the
roads
are
ready
to
go,
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
waiting
for
the
funding
we
used
to
have,
I
think,
30
locations
that
met
the
warrants
they
were
below
to
cut
off
right
now.
E
B
E
Yeah,
it's
something
that's
of
concern,
and-
and
again
I
think,
through
the
the
road
safety
action
plan
is
depend
on
how
the
pilot
goes
and
how
council
directs
us
to
to
move
forward
with
the
automated
speed
enforcement.
That
might
be
an
opportunity
to
also
fund
some
some
locations
in
the
future,
especially
if
there's
more
locations
than
what's
out
there
today.
B
Okay,
thank
you
so
much.
My
only
other
question
just
relates
to
covid
impacts
on
this
particular
budget.
Last
week
over
at
cps,
we
heard
that
some
of
our
parks
weren't
getting
trailers
because
there
had
been
this
extra
demand
for
construction
site
trailers
because
of
social
distancing
and
the
requirements
that
the
construction
industry
had.
So
I'm
just
wondering
in
this
budget
do
we
have
any
covert
related
concerns,
for
example
with
staff
shortages
or
with
any
equipment?
Or
you
know,
access
to
pavement
or
or
whatever?
G
You
know,
I
think,
for
the
most
part,
our
project
managers
have
worked
through
a
lot
of
the
issues
as
we
went,
so
there
were
no
delays.
I
think
we've
been
incredibly
successful
this
year
that
all
of
our
projects
in
the
construction
program
have
stayed
entirely
on
track.
So
from
our
perspective,
there
is
no.
There
may
be
additional
health
and
safety
measures,
but
there
is
no
delay
legitimately
in
the
project.
G
D
D
My
office
has
had
multiple
requests,
the
last
few
weeks
for
more
plowing
this
winter
in
communities
keeping
people
within
their
community,
but
us
plowing
has
staff
taken
that
into
consideration.
Are
there
any
additional
walking
trails
or
mups,
not
normally
plowed,
that
will
be
this
winter
and
how
can
staff
work
with
counselors
to
identify
one
or
two
paths
in
their
area,
even
if
it
has
to
be
financed
through
our
office?
But
how
can
we
address
these?
I
think
the
demand
is
probably
transcends.
Multiple
words.
I
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Counselor
I
mean
moving
into
this
winter
with
kovitz
still
around
us.
It
definitely
is
a
new
experience
for
all
of
us.
We
are
considering
how
people's
lives
and
habits
have
changed
throughout
this
pandemic
and
we
are
making
adjustments
to
our
snow
clearing
operations
in
order
to
basically
benefit
as
many
residents
as
possible
in
terms
of
additional
pathways.
You
know
parkland
locations.
I
We
are
working
very
closely
with
our
colleagues
in
recreation,
in
the
recreation
department,
as
well
as
park
services
to
to
put
criteria
in
place
to
help
us
determine
which
areas
in
which
pathways
or
sidewalks
are
going
to
give
the
most
benefit
for
recreational
activity
throughout
this
winter.
We
do
certainly
want
counselors
to
reach
out
to
give
us
some
of
the
suggestions
that
we
can
look
at
and
we
definitely
are
listening
to
what
residents
are
saying
as
well.
D
So
chaired
to
ms
gibbons:
do
you
have
that
capacity
or
I've
got
two
passed?
I
don't
want
to
get
into
it
here,
but
I
want
to
work
with
you
offline,
but
I
have
two
paths
I
want
to
put
on
the
table,
I'm
willing
to
contribute
out
of
my
office
budget.
I
see
this
as
you
know,
maybe
this
winter
and
then
we
develop
a
plan
going
forward.
But
how
much
capacity
do
you
have
to
absorb
these
requests
versus
looking
to
members
of
council
to
offset
some
of
that?
The
funds.
I
I
But
there
is
also
there
can
also
be
a
little
bit
of
a
delay
as
well.
If
we
do
take
on
some
additional
pathways
or
multi-use
pathways,
we
may
with
the
understanding
of
counseling
the
residents.
It
may
not
be
that
preliminary
priority,
but
definitely
get
to
it
so
that
we
do
have
access
through
the
winter
months.
So
we
have
a
number
of
ways
that
we
can
manage
this
going
forward
and
it
really
is
going
to
be
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
D
My
last
question
just
goes
back
to
ms
chi
chair.
If
I
can
miss
chi,
you
answered
a
question
I
think
from
councillor
fleury
about
the
beechburg
line,
which
goes
through
riverward
for
folks
who
don't
know
this.
This
is
from
walkley
yards,
a
freight
line
that
goes
westbound
all
the
way
to
west
of
ottawa.
How
far
west
does
that
line
in
that
you're?
Looking
at
acquiring
from
the
walkway
yards
to
where.
K
K
K
H
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
Now
I
have
two
sets
of
questions
I'll
start
with
parking,
so
scott
there
there's
a
number
of
issues
with
the
parking
charges
that
I
know
you
have
been
trying
to
to
to
stick
handle
through.
Let
me
describe
them
so
weekdays
people
can
come
and
support
businesses
on
the
market.
If
you
go
down
into
the
buyer
market,
specifically
at
eight
at
nine
a.m.
On
a
on
a
monday,
it's
dead
quiet,
yet
we're
charging
for
parking
same
day.
H
You
show
up
at
5
30
it's
packed
in
the
area
and
it's
free
parking
on
street.
When
are
we
going
to
see
a
shift
of
that?
The
bias
asked
for
for
those
for
those
times
to
be
shifted
up
to
encourage
to
ensure
that
there's
less
payment
or
reduced
payment
when
there's
a
lot
of
capacity,
and
vice
versa
on
the
street
and
the
same
applies
to
parking
lots,
and
I
make
this
to
our
to
our
lots
in
the
market.
H
I
I
I
applaud
the
work
you've
done
there
and
I
applaud
as
well
the
the
flexibility,
but
I
do
want
to
understand
how
we
were
planning
to
adjust,
especially
coming
out
of
covid,
want
to
support.
Our
businesses
want
folks
to
come
when
it
is
quiet
and
we
don't
want
to
like
mix
match
the
charges
with
a
quiet
period.
S
Absolutely
yeah
chair,
thank
you
counselor,
so
I
think
you
captured
very
well.
You
know
something
that's
very
evident
to
us
and
it
was
happened
to
us
in
going
through
the
municipal
parking
management
strategy,
update
that
we
completed
last
year
and
is
actually
one
of
the
one
of
the
takeaways
that
we
have
is
undertaking
a
review
and
and
to
find
some
some
equity
and
to
properly
apply
those.
S
You
know
our
principles
around
rate
setting
and
reflecting
demand,
so
yeah
evenings
is
certainly
something
we
have
to
tackle
and
and
look
at
as
well
as
weekends,
because
there's
an
inconsistency
in
terms
of
where
pay
parking
exists
on
saturdays,
and
we
have
obviously
there's
a
lack
of
paid
parking
on
sundays.
So
that's
something
that
we
are
rolling
together.
We've
actually
started
to
make
some
ground
in
terms
of
putting
that
project
together
to
to
look
at
that.
It
wasn't
something
we
could
do.
It
was
well
too
big
for
the
strategy
piece.
S
H
H
Is
it
possible
to
share
with
local
councillors
kind
of
the
capital
plan
of
each
of
these
of
the
lots?
Because
you
know
it's
it's.
I
find
it
bizarre.
I
come
all
of
a
sudden
and
then
there's
an
improvement
needed,
for
example,
to
lot
x
in
my
area,
and
I
don't
discount
the
need,
but
I
don't
see
the
the
outlook
of
what's
needed
over
time.
So
would
that
be
a
possibility
to
share
with
local
counselors.
H
Okay
and
last
one
on
parking
so
currently
my
understand
the
numbers
I
got
from
you
was
around
20
million
dollars.
We
have
in
the
parking
reserve
fund
as
part
of
this
year.
Loss
of
revenue
were
were
shrinking,
that
by
4.5
million
or
5.4
million.
What?
What
is
the
status,
because
yesterday
at
fedco,
I
saw,
for
example,
that
the
central
library
had
a
parking
allocation
of
around
18
million
like
what?
S
Absolutely
counselor
so
I'll
speak
specifically
to
the
library
piece
just
to
address
that
and
when
the
funding
for
the
library
was
approved,
the
the
construction
of
a
limited
parking
facility
underneath
was
was
part
of
that
and
part
part
of
those
funds
were
taken
from
the
cashing
with
the
parking,
cash
and
lou
account,
and
it
was
a
complete
drawdown
on
that
and
then
the
remainder
of
the
funds
were
approved
to
be
debt
financed.
So
none
of
those
funds
will
come
out
of
the
parking
reserve
fund.
S
There
are,
we
do
have
initiatives
and,
and
that
are
that
are
identified.
There
are
you
know,
there's
technology
related
investments
that
we're
targeting
kind
of
in
the
medium
to
long
range
and
there's
also,
you
know,
partnership
partnerships
with
developers
that
we're
looking
at
as
well-
and
you
know
yesterday
at
fedco-
was
also
the
the
byward
public
ground
plan
was
tabled,
so
that
has
to
be
accounted
for
and
there's
other
we're
looking
as
well
as
similar
opportunities
in
places
like
little
italy.
S
H
S
Yes
concert
the
we,
we
fund
the
the
maintenance
of
the
park
and
rides
out
of
the
parking
fee
revenues
and,
in
the
event
that
the
our
parking
reserve
fund
balance
exceeds
the
the
maximum
that
we've
set
or
the
at
that
top
end.
We
do
have
the
flexibility
to
contribute
any
excess
funds
to
either
park
and
ride
capital
related
costs
or
road
reconstructions
where
there
is
paid
parking.
H
Thank
you,
scott.
My
last
question
is
around
ptiff
funding,
so
on
page
119,
there's
an
identified
ptif
debt
of
258
000
and
on
page
80,
there's
a
ptf
debt
of
debt,
payment
of
3.9
and
it's
sort
of
the
first
year
I
clued
into
that.
Could
we
just
get
clarity
on
on
how
we
account
for
that
and
why?
Why
did
we
report
as
the
dead
and
as
such.
J
It's
isabel
jasmine
chair
what
we
did
at
the
time.
We
were
identifying
projects
that
would
qualify
for
ptiff
and
in
many
cases
we
had
to
advance
project
and
we
didn't
have
necessarily
funding
associated
for
those
projects.
So
what
we
did
is
we
called
it
ptif
debt,
but
what
it
was
is
because
we're
advancing
projects
it's
being
paid
for
in
future
budgets
for
projects
that
were
would
have
been
advanced
would
have
been
in
those
future
years.
Then
we
deducted.
So
it's
not
really
debt.
It's
just
paying
back
with
future
projects.
Q
Thank
you
chair
councillor,
brockington,
remind
me
about
another
issue
and,
and
that's
related
to
in
terms
of
keeping
people
active.
One
of
the
constant
requests
we're
getting-
and
this
is
new
this
year
is
keeping
a
mop
clear,
because
previously
we
just
let
the
snow
pile
up
on
it,
and
this
is
in
front
of
andrew
haven
park
and
which
acts
as
a
sidewalk
and
we're
getting
a
lot
of
seniors
in
the
area,
desperate
to
walk.
Q
They're
they're,
also
asking
for
the
parking
lots
to
be
clear
because
traditionally
the
the
gates
were
locked
and
you
weren't
supposed
to
use
the
parks
in
the
winter.
I
noticed
that
up
on
the
ncc
territory,
up
off
of
moody
drive
the
parking
lots
are
actually
cleared
by
the
city
for
people
to
go
for
walks
and
they're
very
popular.
It
took
our
grandkids
there
last
last
weekend
and
that's
good.
However,
our
own
city
parks
people
do
not
have
access
to
to
walking
around
now.
Q
I've
also
had
requests
for
them
to
you
know
clear
this.
The
paths-
and
I
got
the
answer
back
for
that-
that
that's
not
possible
due
to
the
fact
that
the
the
paths
aren't
designed
to
be
cleared,
but
we
do
have
the
winter
trails
coming
in
and
the
britannia
winter
trails
is
coming
right
up
to
andrew
hayden
park.
So
there
is
more
possibilities
here
now
for
this
year,
because
people
will
want
to
go
on
those
trails.
Q
I
Thank
you
counselor.
Yes,
we
are.
Actually.
We
just
had
a
meeting
a
couple
days
ago
with
our
counterparts
in
recreation
to
look
at
what's
possible.
Moving
into
this
winter,
we
do
know.
I
believe
there
has
been
some
decisions
made
on
the
parking
lot
at
andrew
hayden
park,
so
I
won't
speak
out
of
place,
but
definitely
we
can
touch
base
after
in
terms
of
in
some
of
the
mups
and
some
of
the
pathways
through
our
parkways.
I
Absolutely
we
have
to
consider
the
construction
of
these
these
pathways
to
ensure
that
it
can
withstand
our
equipment,
because
we
don't
want
to
cause
those
additional
damage
issues
as
we
move
into
the
spring
summer.
So
there
are
some
that
that
aren't
maintainable
by
us,
but
I
would
most
most
definitely
be
open
to
speaking
to
you
about
potentially
some
partnerships,
because
some
of
these
pathways
that
are
being
maintained
through
whether
it's
cross-country
ski
clubs
and
that
there
may
be
an
opportunity
they
use
less
heavy
equipment.
I
I
think,
for
the
most
part
they
use
skadoos.
Is
there
a
potential
to
partner
where
there
is
some
snowpack
conditions
that
are
easier
to
to
walk
on
during
the
winter
months,
so
definitely
open
to
having
those
conversations
looking
at
all
sorts
of
ideas
in
order
to
improve
winter
operations?
Moving
into
this
pandemic
year,.
Q
That's
fantastic
leila.
The
reason
that
the
britannia
winter
trails
is
extending
to
andrew
higgins
park
is
because
the
core
village
gave
a
donation,
and
so
that's
why
it
wasn't
to
do
with
the
city.
It
was
because
a
core
village
wanted
to
encourage
skiers
from
from
their
community,
so
it's
going
up
to
the
edge,
but
they
could
only
just
go
to
the
one
edge
of
it
and,
of
course
the
park
is
quite
large.
It
goes
it's
a
kilometer
long.
Q
I
So
we'll
we'll
have
to
consider
those
again.
You
know
working
with
our
counterparts
and
recreation
and
parks
just
to
make
sure
that
it
we
can
do
it
in
terms
of
the
construction
of
it.
But
more
importantly,
does
that
offer
the
most
benefits
to
the
residents
in
the
area.
So
we
will
definitely
have
those
conversations
moving
forward,
because
that
one
is
on
our
radar.
Q
P
B
P
I
There
won't
be
there's
not
contingency
funds
that
we
can
use,
but
we
certainly
understand
the
conditions
that
the
city's
in
moving
into
this
winter
and
how
we
want
to
support
more
people
getting
out
for
recreational
activity
to
be
safe.
You
know
through
the
pandemic,
so
we
will
do
the
best
that
we
can
to
adjust
if
we,
if
mother
nature,
cooperates
with
us
this
year,
because
we
are
now
fully
funded
for
winter
operations.
P
For
example,
and
I've
forwarded
this
to
your
attention
now,
because
in
our
case
the
newsletter's
deadline
is
tomorrow
and
that's
the
last
community
paper
that'll
be
published
before
christmas.
So
if
we
want
to
encourage
people
to
do
this,
I
I
think
we
should
look
at
trying
to
find
some
way
to
to
designate
some
funds
so
that
your
people
can
do
it
with
the
understanding,
as
you
said,
that
it
won't
be
in
the
first
24
hours
after
the
storm
or
anything
like
that.
P
So
I
wonder
if
you
want
to
take
that
councilor
brockington's
suggestion
away
and
come
up
with
a
plan
whether
it
be
to
ask
each
counselor
to
identify
areas
or
or
just
pick
regional,
like
east
west,
south
areas,
but
try
to
get
some
pathways
added
in
there,
because
I
think
it
would
be
very
healthy
for
people.
Okay.
Could
you
do
that.
I
P
A
Great
thank
you
councillor,
hudley,
so
just
seeing
no
more
questions
to
staff,
I
just
wanted
to
say
first
of
all,
big
thanks
to
staff.
I've
had
the
opportunity
as
chair
to
socially
distance
and
visit,
some
of
the
shops
and
they've
had
to
change
their
procedures
completely.
The
fact
that
we're
able
to
actually
come
back
with
the
city
budget
still
targeting
three
percent
with
all
the
covered
conditions,
still
blows
my
mind.
A
We'd
be
in
a
far
worse
condition.
So
I
think
we
all
want
to
see
more,
but
at
the
same
time
no
one
wants
to
see
increased
taxes.
That
being
said,
I'm
going
to
turn
to
our
vice
chair,
a
wonderful
vice
chair,
leaper,
to
walk
us
through
the
road
map
motion
and
kelly
flag
me.
If,
if
we
go
too
fast
too
slow,
oh
do
we
have
to
approve
the
amendment
first,
I
believe.
A
E
D
D
A
R
A
On
the
right
on
the
rest
of
that
capital
project
item
is
that
item
carry
hey
great
so
at
this
point
I'll
just
quickly
flip
over,
and
we
will
go
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
acquisition
of
a
part
part
of
300
wigan's
private
from
ottawa,
community
housing
for
installation
of
a
hallway
intersection,
councillor
fleury.
If
you
wanted
to
introduce
your
motion
we'll
get
that
put
up
on
the
screen
and
then
we'll
go.
A
H
H
Q
H
H
If
you
see
the
road
ahead
of
me,
it's
chapel
and
there
was
an
issue
at
some
point
where
folks
were
using
off
of
lee's
chapel
to
divert
off
of
king
edward
so
counselors
moons
ago.
This
obviously
predates
amalgamation,
even
restricted
movement
through
chapel.
You
can
see
that
it's
a
bus
only
corridor.
H
So
if
the
city,
if
the
city,
the
the
challenge
I'm
faced
with,
is
you
you
had
a
report
earlier
on
the
always
stop
sign?
So
typically,
I
would
bring
forward
a
similar
report
which
wouldn't
bring
issues
in
this
context.
We've
been
advised
that
we
can't
do
that
because
och
so
another
owner
owns
part
of
the
intersection.
H
So,
as
you
can
see
on
the
back
end
of
the
sidewalk
on
your
left
and
the
sidewalk
on
your
right
is
ottawa
community
housing
property,
so
I've
been
working
with
och
with
city
staff
with
with
with
residents-
and
this
is
an
issue-
that's
come
about
from
residents
of
och
where
residents
who
live
on
the
left
side
of
the
street,
which
is
you
know,
a
very
isolated
community
connect
with
the
main
office
with
the
park.
That's
located,
and
even
the
lrt
that's
located
on
the
right.
So
they
want
a
safe
crossing
and
what's
happened.
Now.
H
H
So,
as
you
can
see,
we've
added
some
measures
temporarily,
but
it's
important
for
me
as
a
local
counselor,
to
bring
forward
the
all-stop
sign
report
that
we
have
frequently
at
committee
that
would
be
covered
that
the
cost
for
that
would
be
covered
out
of
my
ttc.
The
sticky
item
relates
to
the
land
transfer.
So
och
is
covering
its
internal
costs
relating
to
the
land
transfer
for
that
intersection,
and
there
are
some
internal
costs
relating
to
to
real
estate
and
relating
to
legal
fees
of
15
000
that
were
identified
by
staff
now
kelly.
H
If
you
go
to
the
next
item,
so
what
you'll
see
is
a
map
of
the
area?
There's
no
easy
way
to
find
these
sorts
of
land
acquisition
and
creo
doesn't
have
the
budget.
So
what
I'm
planning?
What
I'm
trying
to
do
is
there
is
a
road
reconstruction
project
and
yes,
it's
google
maps,
not
really
great,
but
there.
What
the
visual
you
saw
here
is
this
the
street
that
goes
through
chapel
at
the
corner
of
chapel
and
man,
which
is
the
closest
city
street.
The
city
has
a
an
extensive
infrastructure
project,
that's
well
underway.
H
So
I
know
it's
unusual,
usually
you're
right,
mr
chair,
that
we
would
be
dealing
with
private
developers
which
would
have
some
financial
capacity
in
this
case
it's
with
och
and
the
the
issue
was
raised
by
tenants
of
ottawa
community
housing.
So
it's
been
a
number
of
years.
Actually
that
we've
been
working
on
this
we've
tried
some
measures,
and
here
we
are
today
to
ask
for
two
front
one,
which
is
the
regular
always
stop
sign
through
my
ttc
coverage,
which
you
know
we
ask
all
the
time
at
committee.
H
D
D
The
request
to
put
in
always
stop
control
is
not
all
that
different
from
what
counselors
frequently
do.
If
I
understand
the
reticence,
though
it
stems
from
taking
the
funds
out
of
an
unrelated
road
project,
I
guess
that's
probably
a
renewal
project
that
is
not
yet
closed
and
allocating
them
to
this
initiative.
D
The
unintended
consequences
seem
to
be
what
staff
are
warning
us
about,
and
I
my
struggle
is
to
say
look.
This
looks
like
a
fairly
creative
way
of
getting
something
done,
but
I
also
don't
want
to
do
something
without
understanding
whether
we're
putting
ourselves
on
a
on
a
slippery
slope.
So
can
you
take
that
through
to
take
me
through
that
slowly.
G
So
chair,
if
I
may
phil,
might
want
to
add
to
this,
because
there
are
two
sides
to
this:
there's
the
technical
side
related
to
the
traffic
operations
in
that
area,
and
I'm
not
the
expert
I
defer
entirely
to
phil
or
mr
manconi
on
that
issue
on
the
financial
issue.
I
think
you
have
portrayed
the
the
issue
correctly.
This
is
a
small
amount
of
money.
Corporate
real
estate
office
has
no
budget
or
opportunistic
acquisitions.
G
They
only
have
budgets
for
acquiring
land
in
capital
projects
that
are
approved
by
council.
So
there
is
no
pool
of
money
to
draw
from
from
something
like
this.
That
would
be
opportunistic
the
precedent
of
taking
money
from
a
capital
project
in
an
unrelated
capital
project
and
applying
it
here.
You
can
appreciate
we're
nervous
about
that.
There
are
opportunities
at
capital
closed
to
do
creative
things.
This
is
mid
mid
year.
This
is
midpoint
before
we
had
a
capital
close.
The
precedent
is
the
concern.
D
G
M
Through
the
chair,
so
yes,
it's
12
million
right,
counselor
theory.
So
yes,
it's
it's
an
ongoing
road.
Integrated
sewer
project,
like
you,
know
them
well
councillor
lieber
we've
done
a
number
of
those
in
your
world,
so
it
it
is
ongoing,
not
completed
yet,
and
there
is
a
there's,
a
request
to
use
part
of
the
funding
of
for
that
project
to
buy
the
land
for
this
intersection.
G
G
Ultimately,
we
will
take
council's
direction
on
this.
As,
as
I
said,
this
is
not
a
large
amount
of
money.
This
is
council's
decision.
It
is
yours
to
make,
but
that
the
precedent
is
the
concern
from
our
department
and-
and
I
also
reiterate
that
there
are
technical
issues
related
to
this-
that
I
I'm
not
the
expert
on.
F
You
know
you're
putting
staff
in
a
very
awkward
position
where,
if
we're
going
to
start
rating
other
accounts
and
make
a
link
to
there's
a
nearby
account,
if
you're
going
to
ask
me
where
to
start
investing
in
that
approach
with
I'm
sure
the
treasurer's
got
comments
on
that,
I
would
go
right
to
where
counselor
deans
was
going.
Where
the
look
at
your
highest
risks.
You've
got
warranted
traffic
signals
and
you
all
have
them,
and
so
we
are
not
trying
to
be
obtuse
or
difficult
in
any
way.
Here
we
are
clearly
in
your
hands.
F
F
If
I
have
to
start
making
connections
to
other
capital
accounts
and
wendy
permits
us
to
do
that,
which
I
doubt
she
will
I'll
I'll
go
right
back
to
where
counselor
deans
is
talking
about
in
terms
of
safety-
and
I
see
counselor
menard
just
turned
his
cameras
on.
He
has
safety
issues,
so
we
could
start
to
really
expand
out
of
control
in
terms
of
how
we
make
these
connections
to
other
accounts,
I'm
not
downplaying
the
issue.
This
is
one
that
is,
is
really
in
your
hands.
D
F
D
R
Thank
you
thanks
very
much
chair.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
properly
if
the
other
project
was
completed,
the
capital
project
in
the
neighborhood
and
I'm
I'm
on
this
neighborhood
a
lot.
The
points
counselor
flurries,
making
around
the
concern
of
the
intersection,
are
completely
real
and
and
exist.
R
G
So
chair,
this
is
not
an
issue
about
the
availability
of
the
15
million
dollars.
We
can
address
that
within
the
scope
of
it
and,
in
the
other
examples
you're
listing
those
are
usually
scope,
changes
to
a
project.
So,
for
example,
in
the
elgin
street
project
we
finished
below
budget,
we
had
a
request
for
additional
funds
to
enhance
the
cycling
safety.
G
That's
within
the
same
project
and
council
gave
permission
on
that,
and
that
is
a
normal
capital
shift
that
happens
with
a
scope
enhancement
when
we
found
savings
and
and
and
stuff
that's
that's
normal
and
and
we
have
a
process
for
dealing
with
it.
This
issue
that
mr
manconi
has
raised
is
that
we
are
taking
money
for
a
complete,
completely
unrelated
project,
and
then
we
are
attaching
it
to
an
intersection
resolution
and
avoiding
the
list
of
warranted
intersections.
G
G
H
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
committee
members
for
your
engagement.
I
do
have
a
question
to
mr
landry
or
mr
manconi
it
I.
I
would
ask
committee
to
split
the
issue.
We
get
to
see
reports
at
committee
all
the
time
about
always
stop
sign
mr
manconi,
mr
landry,
we
had
a
always
stop
sign
earlier
in
this
agenda.
E
E
In
terms
of
the
the
warrants
we
just
approved
a
couple
months
ago,
the
the
warrants
for
an
updated
warrant
system.
Now
there
will
be
times
where
you
know,
counselors
will
come
and,
like
you
mentioned
earlier,
counselor
suds
had
her
report
come
to
committee
today,
there's
always
situation
in
councillor
suds
report.
E
One
of
the
challenges
was
that
there
was
actually
paper
stone
markings
across
the
intersection
which
was
done
as
part
of
the
of
the
site
development
when
the
road
was
built
so
that
that
becomes
problematic
because
there's
an
expectation
from
a
pedestrians
perspective
that
you
know
you
see
the
markings.
There
are
the
or
the
paver
stones
there
and
you
know
I
can
cross,
because
we
normally
only
allow
crossings
where
it's
protected.
E
H
So
I
guess
I'm
asking
committee
not
to
consider
the
issue
of
not
meeting
the
warrants
because
we're
continually
seeing
counselors
reports
at
this
committee
because
it
doesn't
meet
the
warrant
so
and
we
don't
ask
questions
to
staff,
but
the
answer
that
you
would
get
if
you'd
ask
questions
to
staff
is
what
mr
landry
and
mr
manconi
told
you
earlier.
So
I
guess
I
parked
that
issue
because
we
carried
councillor
sed's
report
without
questions
a
few
meetings
ago.
I
believe
it
was
counselor.
H
Deans
we've
been
doing
this
even
for
previous
chairs,
when
leah
and
and
keith
egleye
was
there.
The
issue
I
have
is:
how
do
you
fund
property
acquisition?
And
why
is
this
unique?
So
I've
tried
to
work
on
on
an
approach.
There's
there's
no
funding
that
was
able
to
identify
there
are.
There
is
local
funding
that
doesn't
affect
any
of
the
projects
in
your
award.
That
is
the
closest
city
street
away,
and
it
doesn't
affect
that
account.
You
don't
have
access
to
that
money,
it's
already
assigned
to
that
project.
H
B
B
We'd
really
need
to
take
this
away
to
determine
where
we
could
find
those
funds.
I
don't
have
a
quick
answer
for
you
today.
As
you
know,
the
city
is
in
I'm
going
to
say
still
in
a
state
of
of
slightly
financial
distress.
We
don't
have
an
answer
yet
back
from
the
province
in
terms
of
where
we're
going
to
end
at
the
end
of
this
year
to
know
whether
we're
going
to
be
made
whole
or
not.
B
So
our
financial
situation
is
very
precarious,
but
generally
when
we're
looking
at
capital
construction,
what
we
do
is
we
build
into
those
projects
that
land
acquisition.
So
if
there's
something
happening,
then
that
piece
becomes
part
of
that
project
and
that's
how
we
deal
with
it.
From
a
general
perspective,.
H
H
Okay,
well,
based
on
the
question,
the
comments
from
from
wendy
mr
chair,
I'm
comfortable
with
moving
a
deferral
motion
based
on
on
the
airing,
but
I
I
I
would
say
that
it's
a
bizarre
one.
It's
a
very
bizarre
one.
Och
is
covering
its
own
costs
and
I
have
to
find
fifteen
thousand
dollars
so
I'll
work
with
wendy.
If
we
can
get,
I
don't
know.
Procedurally,
if
I
move
it
caitlyn
or
if
I
ask
counselor
leaper
to
move
it.
A
A
Okay,
so
it
is
a
bit
of
a
quandary.
First
of
all,
I
I
think
you've
heard
from
the
staff
on
this
one.
The
the
concern
is
all
related
to
the
private
property
and
the
precedent
that
this
could
set.
It
is
a
real
challenge
for
us
and
I'm
very
happy.
Thank
you.
Councillor
fleury.
I
believe
you
also
have
an
inquiry
later
on
related
to
some
other
items.
B
So,
mr
chair,
the
options
would
be
a
motion
to
defer
this
matter
to
a
specific
date
of
a
future
committee
or
a
motion
to
table
the
matter
at
which
point
it
could
be
brought
forward
again
any
time
within
the
next
six
months.
It
could
be
lifted
from
the
table
and
considered
at
a
future
meeting.
So
we're
in
your
hands.
Mr
chair,
mr.
A
F
It's
john,
I
yeah,
I
agree
with
wendy.
I
think
we
got
to
take
this
away
because
I,
I
think
we're
doing
some
policy
on
the
fly
here.
I
I
my
understanding
is
that
his
office
budget
could
cover
this
because
it's
capital,
it's
it's.
The
acquisition
of
the
land
property
so
where
I
was
going
to
go,
was
and
emma
and
your
hands
counselor,
fleury
and
chair
was
that
you
know
you
funded
from
your
office
budget.
If
committee
approves
this.
A
A
A
H
A
A
H
A
H
Table
it,
mr
chair,
I
I'm
glad
to
declare
thank
you
for
clarifying.
I
know
that
it
seems
obvious
to
use
ttc
or
even
office
budgets.
There
are
limitations
to
that
and
I'll
take
it
away
with
staff
on
the
15
15
grand
that's
left
again.
If
we
could
table
it
I'll,
the
the
issue
has
been
aired
and
glad
to
work
with
staff
on
it.
F
A
F
F
I
get
that,
but
all
of
you
have
traffic
requests,
and
so
I'm
I'm
you're
not
going
to
hear
a
different
tone
from
me
in
terms
of
going
to
other
capital
accounts
to
find
this
stuff
and
you've
heard
wendy
capital
accounts
are
intended
to
do
what
they're
intended
to
do.
So
again,
it's
not
a
bus,
not
not
agreeing
with
the
counselor
and
principal
it's
about
the
funding
source
and
and
trying
to
satisfy
all
the
ques.
The
requests
that
everybody
has.
G
H
A
H
O
B
Mr
chair,
I
had
in
my
head,
we
were
in
our
usual
meeting
cycle
of
we
would
be
meeting
again
within
a
month.
The
next
transportation
committee
meeting
is
february
the
3rd.
So
if
that
is
sufficient
time,
I
think
if
a
motion
is
a
table
to
the
next
meet
or
defer
to
the
next
meeting,
it
would
be
back
before
you
and
there
would
be
an
option
to
do,
approve,
amend
or
further
table
or
defer
it
at
that
time.
A
H
A
A
H
I
do
thank
you,
mr
chair
tcu.
Developments
has
currently
undertaken
development
on
four
sites
in
the
community
of
robinson
village
in
rio.
Vani,
the
undertaking
of
these
four
projects
on
a
short
residential
street
at
the
same
time,
has
caused
significant
concern
for
my
residents
with
regards
to
noise
debris,
traffic
and
parking
issues.
H
The
issue
is
even
more
magnified
by
the
fact
that
many
residents
are
now
working
from
home
since
the
beginning
of
the
application
process
through
community
consultation
meetings,
phone
calls,
requests
back
and
forth
with
representatives
from
my
office
has
had
a
number
of
constructability
issues
stemming
from
a
traffic
management
plan
concerns
about
snow
removal
mentioned
in
during
the
site
plan
parking
mentioned
during
the
site
plan
space
for
construction
mentioned
during
the
site
plan
and
impact
on
very
small
community
of
robinson
village.
I'd
like
to
highlight,
overall
some
of
the
measures
that
have
been
placed.
H
H
What
my
office
and
staff
had
to
mitigate
a
parking
permit
plan
unprecedented
to
allow
for
traffic
management,
which
included
removal
of
24
plus
parking
spaces
on
street.
This
was
organized
through
my
office
service,
ottawa
staff,
traffic
management
staff
and
residents
helped
negotiate
a
deal
with
the
university
of
ottawa
for
their
own
contractor
to
park
in
a
nearby
lot.
H
A
G
This
this
off
to
staff
right
away,
but
I
wanted
to
get
in
before
the
end
of
the
meeting,
so
my
apologies
for
for
walking
on
with
an
inquiry
just
to
staff.
I
would
like
a
list
of
service
requests
by
ward
and
type
regarding
winter
operations
for
2017,
2018,
2018,
2019
and
2019
2020
and
I'll
send
this
wording
off.