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Transportation Committee Special Meeting of Monday, November 16, 2020 - meeting stream.
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
A
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noted
when
the
agenda
was
distributed,
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are
participating
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members
of
the
public
wishing
to
submit
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a
delegation,
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who
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not
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on
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I'll,
provide
each
committee
member
with
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
comment
in
due
course.
A
Committee
members
will
be
called
on
first
followed
by
the
members
of
council
who
have
joined
the
meeting
today.
At
any
point
you
wish
to
speak.
Please
use
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hand
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and
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The
usual
five
minutes
speaking
time
does
apply.
A
We
have
like
I
mentioned
regrets
from
counselor
ocean
tiering.
No
declarations
have
been
received.
We
do
have
a
presentation,
obviously
on
the
sto
transit
study
for
gatineau's
west
end
integration
with
the
ottawa
recommendations
and-
and
we
do
have
four
motions,
but
we
will
go
through
the
presentation
before
we
read
out
motions
prior
to
going
to
delegations.
A
A
E
Okay,
so
good
morning,
chair
and
members
of
transportation
committee,
I'm
dvc
director
of
transportation
planning,
and
I
have
a
short
presentation
on
our
report,
but
first
I'd
like
to
note
that
we
have
staff
from
sdo
joining
us
this
morning,
specifically
mr
mark
russo,
director
general
and
mr
patrick
leclerc,
director
of
planning,
development
and
communications
next
slide.
Please,
although
this
is
a
project
that
sdo
has
undertaken
to
address
the
growth
and
transit
needs
of
gatineau's
western
communities,
it's
also
a
very
important
project
for
the
city
of
ottawa.
E
The
project
will
improve
inter-provincial
transit
service
for
customers
from
both
cities.
It
proposes
to
reduce
up
to
70
percent
of
the
sto
bus
volumes
on
our
streets
in
the
peak
hour
and
of
course,
any
project
that
is
related
to
electric
mass
public
transit
is
well
aligned
with
our
city's
climate
change
master
plan.
As
with
any
major
project,
the
tramway
could
be
a
catalyst
for
other
city
building
projects
as
well.
E
E
Next,
please,
when
we
reported
to
you
in
september,
we
presented
the
status
of
the
project
at
that
time,
sdo
has
determined
that
a
system
of
trams
and
buses
in
gatineau
is
required
and
that
the
connection
to
ottawa
would
be
at
portage
bridge
in
ottawa.
There
are
two
corridor
options
that
were
identified,
wellington
on
the
surface
and
spark
street
in
a
tunnel.
The
september
report
identified
a
number
of
technical
assessments
that
were
underway
and
also
a
summary
of
the
results
of
the
online
survey.
E
The
first
item
is
the
request
to
consolidate
the
nine
vehicular
accesses
to
the
parliamentary
and
judicial
precincts
to
fewer
access,
in
order
to
ensure
the
safe
and
efficient
operation
of
the
tramway
pspc
continued
to
review
this
request,
while
considering
the
need
for
efficient
traffic
to
and
within
both
precincts
and
the
security
issue
as
well.
The
second
item
is
a
request
for
additional
property
on
the
north
side
of
wellington
to
accommodate
the
tramway,
particularly
west
of
lyon.
E
E
Next,
please,
a
range
of
costs
was
developed
based
on
information
is
extrapolated
from
our
confederation
line,
downtown
tunnel
and
existing
information
on
subsurface
conditions,
including
utilities,
as
well
as
high
level
comparisons
to
other
cities
with
transit
tunnels.
Riskier
construction
is
reflected
in
the
estimate
for
the
spark
street
tunnel.
E
The
cost
range
of
between
3.5
billion
and
3.9
billion
reflects
the
cost
of
the
entire
project,
including
the
all
tram
corridors
in
gatineau.
Next,
please,
from
different
perspectives.
The
spark
street
tunnel
has
many
benefits
for
the
transit
customer.
The
facility
is
weather,
protected
with
underground
connections
to
the
confederation
line,
just
one
block
south
for
transit
operations.
E
It
is
great
separated,
so
there
will
be
no
interaction
with
other
vehicular
traffic
or
be
influenced
by
external
factors
such
as
street
closures.
The
service
would
be
reliable,
with
shorter
travel
times
and
high
and
has
higher
capacity
reserves
for
future
increase
in
service
frequency.
Since
ad
grade
intersections
and
traffic
signals
are
avoided
for
traffic,
the
project
would
be
least
disruptive
during
and
post
construction.
E
It
also
allows
the
surface
streets
to
evolve
with
time
without
interfering
with
a
tramway
service.
Next,
please,
for
the
public
realm,
the
spark
street
tunnel
could
be
a
catalyst
to
rejuvenate
spark
stream
and
because
it's
below
ground
it
does
not
compromise
federal
design
standards
for
confederation
boulevard,
nor
interfere
with
the
view
of
the
national
war
memorial.
E
The
tunnel
option
aligns
with
both
assessment
principles
and
has
very
strong
support
from
the
respondents
of
the
study
survey
this
past
summer.
All
of
these
reasons
point
to
spark
street
tunnel
as
the
optimal
corridor
for
the
tramway
in
ottawa.
The
disadvantage
of
the
tunnel
option,
however,
however,
is
its
comparatively
higher
cost.
E
Next,
please,
the
surface
option
is
relatively
easier
to
construct
and,
as
such,
it
has
a
lower
cost
estimate
of
about
3
billion.
This
again
is
for
the
entire
project,
including
the
all
tram
corridors
in
gatineau
being
on
the
surface,
provides
transit
customers
with
convenient
access
to
three
surface
level
stations,
connection
to
the
confederation
line
and
oc
transfer.
Buses
is
just
a
short
walking
distance
away.
A
pedestrian
tunnel
is
also
proposed,
which
would
provide
a
convenient
link
of
the
two
systems
at
lion
station.
E
This
option
also
aligns
with
both
assessment
principles.
Next,
please,
both
sparks
tunnel
and
wellington.
Surface
options
are
feasible
and
both
comply
with
assessment
principles
with
improved
service.
Both
options
can
help
both
cities
increase
our
transit
model,
share,
reduce
congestion
and
reduce
emissions.
E
This
issue
is
not
in
the
report,
but
the
inter-provincial
transit
loop
proposal
has
been
in
the
news
recently
and
we
felt
that
was
important
to
touch
on
it
briefly.
Today,
the
loop
proposal
aims
to
connect
gatineau
and
ottawa
downtowns
using
portage
bridge
and
the
alexandra
bridge,
with
wellington
street
being
part
of
the
loop.
E
E
Neither
tramway
corridor
option
precludes
a
future
loop.
Although
there
are
some
differences,
the
loop
technology
will
have
to
address
the
presence
of
the
tramway,
because
the
wellington
street
surface
option
spans
part
of
that
loop
after
crossing
from
portage
bridge.
The
spark
street
tunnel
would
be
less
integrated
with
the
loop,
but
it
allows
flexibility
in
the
choice
of
loop
technology.
E
Next,
please
so,
today,
staff
are
seeking
committee's
approval
of
the
report,
recommendations
which
pertain
to
the
scope
of
the
sdo
tramway
study.
To
recap,
the
recommendations
are
one
endorse.
The
all
tram
scenario
in
gatineau
two
approve
the
spark
street
tunnel
as
the
optimal
corridor
subject
to
sto
securing
the
project.
Funding
three
approve
the
wellington
street
service
with
traffic
as
the
alternative
corridor.
E
Next,
please,
once
transportation
committee
and
council
have
considered
this
report,
the
sto
will
seek
approval
from
the
ncc
board
and
the
sto
board.
The
sdo
will
complete
the
study
for
the
portion
in
gatineau
and
finalize
the
study,
documentation
and,
and
the
sdo
will
continue
discussions
with
their
funding
partners
so
that
this
project
can
advance
through
the
next
phases
leading
to
implementation
next,
please
so
that
is
it
for
the
presentation.
Thank
you
and
we're
ready
for
questions.
A
A
Go
to
the
motions
here,
first
of
all,
first,
I'm
virtually
stepping
out
of
the
chair,
jeff
you're,
the
chair
for
five
minutes.
So
the
first
one
is
a
branding
and
liberally
of
the
sto
tram
vehicles,
so
whereas
the
sdo
tram
could
potentially
operate
on
the
surface
of
wellington
street
in
ottawa
and
whereas
wellington
street
is
an
iconic
corridor
that
is
steeped
in
confederation,
history
and
where
parliament
and
the
supreme
court
are
located,
whereas
the
federal
government
is
expecting
to
contribute
significant
funding
towards
this
interprovincial
tramway.
H
H
The
site,
where
tens
of
thousands
gather
on
remembrance
day,
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
sto
be
mandated
to
meaningfully
consult
as
part
of
the
next
phase
of
this
project,
with
the
ceremonial
guard,
the
department
of
national
defense
and
veterans
affairs,
canada
on
the
location
of
the
terminus
station
at
elgin
street
and
queen
street,
as
well
as
the
preservation
and
coordination
of
the
changing
of
the
guard
and
its
use
of
the
ceremonial
guard's
traditional
routes
along
elgin
and
wellington
streets.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
ask
members:
I
know
that
a
number
of
copies
were
shared
earlier.
Many
have
been
amended,
so
we
can.
This
is
the
latest
amendments
here,
whereas
the
benefit
of
the
seo
electric
tramway
project
is
not
being
disputed,
as
it
would
provide
improvements
for
interprovincial
transit
customers,
reduce
the
number
of
sto
buses
operating
on
ottawa
streets
and
help.
I
Option
would
mitigate
all
issues
associated
with
a
surface
option
and
allow
city
streets
to
evolve
as
future
visions
are
consolidated
and
plans
take
shape
and
whereas
the
con
federation
boulevard,
which
includes
wellington
street,
is
ottawa's
most
attractive
route
and
has
a
strategic
importance
to
the
capital
city
in
terms
of
design
and
its
role.
In
other
significant
plans,
including
the
rito
wellington's
sussex
nodes,
the
inter-provincial
transit
loop
vision,
the
alexandra
bridge
reconstruction
and
security
of
the
parliament.
Parliamentary
precinct.
B
I
Trans
will
participate
in
the
study,
along
with
the
city
of
gatineau
and
sdo,
and
be
it
further
resolve
that
this
that
the
city
council
reiterates
its
current
transit
priorities
to
the
federal
government
and
that
any
federal
funding
for
the
sto
tram
does
not
limit
or
impact
federal
funding
for
the
city
of
ottawa.
For
the
city
of
ottawa's
transit
priorities
such
as
stage
three
lrt.
A
Great
thank
you
for
that
counselor
fleury
and,
as
you
mentioned
there,
there
was
a
little
confusion
at
first
but
I'll
get
staff
to
confirm,
but
this
is
not
technical
in
nature.
This
is
more
political
in
nature.
Previous
versions
kind
of
ran
contrary
to
the
actual
report,
so
it
doesn't
speak
directly
to
the
report,
so
the
loop
is
certainly
we're
studying,
but
we
don't
want
to
just
stall
anything
out
and
I
just
asked
staff
to
confirm
that
they
are
good
with
this.
This
motion,
as
it
stands.
J
Yes,
chair,
it's
it's
as
you
described
it,
there's
there's
no
technical
correlation
to
the
report,
the
earlier
versions.
We
had
challenges
supporting
that
and
I
want
to
thank
the
counselor
for
floating
that
by
us
earlier
on,
but
this
is
purely
political
in
terms
of
there's
no
technical
connection
to
the
report
and
doesn't
run
against
our
recommendations
that
are
before
you
today.
A
K
K
Our
vision
is
of
a
shared
pedestrian,
transit,
mall
and
cycling
route
that
is
shaded
in
summer
and
brightly
lit
in
winter
by
an
arcade
of
trees
over
its
length.
The
metcalf
and
o'connor
street
intersections
could
each
feature
urban
scale,
illuminated
fountains
public
art,
sculptures
and
other
symbols
of
canada
and
its
capital.
Could
I
have
slide
2,
please.
K
As
you
see,
in
this
view
towards
parliament
hill
at
the
intersection
of
wellington
and
metcalf,
parliament
rises
behind
a
new
transit
and
pedestrian
mall
with
lrt
service.
As
you
see
in
both
directions,
and
it
is
punctuated
at
center
by
an
urban
event-
a
fountain,
some
other
some
other
techniques
to
be
able
to
draw
people
towards
this
attractive
environment.
K
The
overview
of
planning
of
the
mall
is
relatively
simple,
in
fact,
and
it
demonstrates
the
ability
of
the
30
meter
or
100
original
right-of-way
to
accommodate
pedestrians,
transit
users
and
cyclists
in
a
safe
and
secure
environment
while
preserving
the
integrity
of
internal
circulation
with
parliament
hill.
It
has
the
benefit
of
also
protecting
the
value
of
canada's
greatest
asset,
which
is
parliament
hill
from
a
security
standard
and,
in
fact,
formalizes
property
to
the
south
side
of
wellington
street
for
use
future
use
by
the
federal
government.
As
you
see
in
this
slide,.
K
L
Thanks
and
david,
thank
you
very
much
for
showing
us
that
it's
it's
compelling
and
it's
it's
certainly
very
attractive.
The
key
question
I
have
is:
how
does
how
does
this
tie
into
the
city's
efforts
to
reduce
the
number
of
sto
buses
on
our
city
streets?
Have
you
have
you
taken
a
look
at
how
this
can
be
a
part
of
increasing
light
rail
capacity
to
get
people
over
here.
L
I
just
want
to.
I
want
to
see
some
sort
of
as
this
moves
forward.
I'm
sure
people
are
going
to
be
kicking
the
tires
on
this.
For
for
a
long
time
to
come,
you
know,
capacity
is,
is
probably
my
most
important
consideration
here
and
I
just
want
to
understand
what
kind
of
capacity
thinking
has
gone
into
your
proposal
in
terms
of
being
able
to
get
people
over
from
getting
o2
ottawa
in
sufficient
volumes.
K
A
Thanks,
sir
great,
I
don't
see
any
other
questions,
but
david
before
I
cut
you
loose.
I
just
want
to
reiterate.
This
is
wonderful.
I
I
like
seeing
this,
but
you
know
if
we
want
to
convert
welling
in
wellington
into
urban
mall.
That's
a
whole
other
discussion,
but,
as
these
report
is
in
front
of
you
today
in
regards
to
the
tram,
are
you
in
support
of
of
that
that
proposal.
M
Here's
a
few
reasons
why
obviously
you're
reducing
traffic
congestion
from
both
bridges?
We
do
know
that
there's
many
businesses
that
do
business
on
both
sides
of
the
city,
often
crossing
one
bridge
to
gatineau
and
then
going
back
to
the
other
bridge
and
coming
back
to
the
downtown
core,
so
obviously
bringing
the
downtown
core
to
the
byward
market
together.
M
M
M
M
B
B
B
B
I'm
not
convinced
that
the
idea
of
the
loop
and
the
wellington,
the
idea
of
the
loop
in
wellington,
our
court
are
well
coordinated
if
we
look
at
technology
and
the
approach.
So
what's
your
point
of
view
on
this,
it's
clear
that
we
have
to
make
further
studies
in
order
to
determine
what
is
the
greenest
option,
the
most
energy
efficient
option?
We
know
that
in
years
to
come,
the
fact
of
we
know
that
wellington
should
be
should
be
closed
to
cars
for
security
reasons.
B
That's
one
reason
and
then
the
alexandra
bridge
will
be
rebuilt
in
the
next
few
years
as
well.
So
our
thinking
is
that
we
should
do
a
study,
and
I'm
sure
that
mr
plamodal
will
speak
to
this
in
further
detail
is
to
do
a
study
on
what
is
the
most
economical
option,
but
also
how
we
can
join
together.
All
collaborative.
B
A
O
That
would
fundamentally
transform
our
g7
capital
city
and
our
national
capital
region.
It's
an
idea
that
can
be
achieved
without
asking
ottawa
taxpayers
for
a
capital
investment
or
to
forego
other
transit
projects
and
opportunities.
I'm
here
today
representing
the
supporters
of
the
loop.
We
are
citizens
who
want
a
greener
capital,
a
capital
that
delivers
an
exceptional
experience
and
function
to
residents
and
visitors
alike
on
both
sides
of
the
ottawa
river,
a
capital
that
works
better
for
people
with
disabilities.
O
We
support
a
vision
that
will
link
ottawa
and
gatineau
transit
system
and
that
ties
together.
The
major
nation-building
institutions
in
ottawa,
gatineau
that
surround
confederation,
boulevard,
think
of
the
parliamentary
precinct,
major
hills
park,
byward
market,
the
national
gallery,
the
mint
nepean
point,
museum
of
history,
jacques
cartier
park,
the
chaudiere
falls
and
surrounding
islands,
the
war
museum,
lebreton
flats,
library
and
archives,
canada,
the
supreme
court,
all
the
institutions
along
confederation,
boulevard
as
a
national
project.
O
The
loop
would
be
100
percent
federally
funded
and
would
not
touch
established.
An
ongoing
federal,
provincial
municipal
infrastructure
funding.
Even
though
the
loop
would
likely
be
integrated
with
the
sto
gatineau
transit
system,
it
would
be
paid
for
in
the
same
way
as
the
national
gallery
and
the
canadian
museum
of
history
came
into
being
as
national
institutions.
O
O
It
links
the
major
workplaces
of
the
federal
government,
adding
convenient
access
to
people
from
ottawa
to
plaster
portage
and
terraced
le
chatzio
it
augments
into
provincial
transportation,
and
it
aligns
with
the
pressing
need
to
replace
the
alexandra
bridge
to
meet
these
federal
purposes
and
attract
federal
investment.
The
natural
choice
is
the
wellington
street
service
option
that
crosses
both
the
portage
and
alexander
bridges
and
continues
along
confederation
boulevard.
O
The
tunnel
option,
by
contrast,
does
not
connect
the
major
landmark
or
address
the
national
security
considerations,
and
the
added
cost
of
a
tunnel
may
kill
the
project
altogether.
In
fact,
it
is
only
a
loop
that
brings
100
percent
federal
funding
to
the
table,
which
lessens
the
capital
cost
of
the
sto
project
and
increases
the
likelihood
of
the
national
capital
region
achieving
a
more
integrated
transit
system.
O
The
loop
has
attracted
the
support
of
four
former
mayors
on
anglia
and
a
growing
number
of
community
and
business
leaders.
On
saturday
I
spoke
with
john
reddy,
who
told
me
who
signed
on
as
a
supporter
of
the
loop
which
I'm
pleased
to
announce
this
morning
for
the
people
of
ottawa.
The
loop
offers
significant
benefits
and
at
no
cost
there
could
be
even
be
operating
cost
savings
if
the
ownership
of
wellington
street
is
transferred
to
the
ncc
for
those
who
live
here
and
work
on
the
quebec
side
of
the
border.
O
The
loop
provides
a
convenient
public
transit
connection.
If
you
live
here
and
you
want
to
get
to
our
national
museums
or
jacques
cartier
park
for
leno
for
winterlude
ottawa,
auto
ones
would
gain
a
public
transit
option
and
it
is
not
a
question.
In
my
opinion
of
a
loop
versus,
say,
phase
three
of
lrt.
The
funding
of
both
projects
would
come
from
independent
sources
and
the
loop
is
not
something
that
can
be
easily
appended
as
an
afterthought
to
a
transit
stub
on
wellington
street
at
elgin.
O
So
as
the
ncc
looks
at
the
loop
option,
as
the
rcmp
considers
security
issues,
as
the
federal
government
plans,
the
replacement
of
the
alexandria
bridge,
it
is
important
to
have
on
the
record
a
formal
indication
from
city
council
that
it
believes
the
loop
is
worthy
of
study
and
consideration.
That
is
why
we
are
here
this
morning.
O
Approving
the
two
options
in
the
proposed
mesh
motion
without
reference
to
the
loop
will
hamper
our
efforts
as
supporters
of
the
loop
to
advocate
for
100
federal
funding,
while
staff
cooperation
with
an
ncc
study
might
not
technically
require
a
council
resolution,
I
encourage
this
committee
to
send
a
formal
signal
through
a
motion
to
the
effect
that
the
city
staff
work
in
coordination
with
the
ncc,
the
government
of
canada
and
the
sto
to
study
the
impact
and
benefits
of
creating
an
ottawa
gatineau
rail
loop
corridor
that
crosses
the
portage
and
alexandria
bridges.
Thank
you.
A
C
C
I
think
your
timing
is
apt.
You
know
at
the
last
transit
committee
there
was
a
lot
of
concerns,
discussions,
questions
about
what
a
segment
of
a
tramway
would
look
like
how
it
would
serve
not
just
certain
certain
residents
and
certain
commuters,
but
how
it
would
serve
the
greater
good
of
the
community
and
the
greater
good
of
the
national
capital
region,
including
our
businesses
and
bob.
C
O
So
our
objective
in
forming
the
supporters
of
the
loop
was
to
advocate
for
and
to
realize
the
beginning
of
a
study,
a
study
that
would
look
at
all
of
these
options
in
terms
of
of
of
the
route
you
know
of
the
phasing
of
the
project
of
the
funding
and
the
governance
around
the
project
to
to
launch
a
study.
So
as
you
as
you
talk
about,
you
know
what
this
vision
is
for,
and
it's
it's
not
just
for
this
generation,
it's
for
the
next
hundred
years.
O
O
Looking
at
all
of
the
questions
that
you
just
asked
looking
at
roots,
and
we
didn't
want
to
get
you
know
drawn
into
the
details,
we
wanted
to
really
to
articulate
a
a
vision
for
what
this
could
be
and
and
then
you
know
more
direct
answer
to
question,
and
it's
something
that
I
referred
to
in
in
my
report.
Is
it
this
isn't
something
that
is
an
add-on
later
on.
I
How
do
you
see
this
project
coming
together?
I
sort
of
struggle.
We
have
a
report
today
spark
street
or
wellington
with
a
stub,
as
you
know,
I'm
uncomfortable
with
the
stub
element
and
and
but
obviously
I
I
value
the
lube.
I
think
the
loop
would
be
something
that's
been
discussed,
something
that's
a
window
of
opportunity.
Can
you
can
you
be
clear,
and
I
mean
you-
you
know
the
federal
realm
better
than
I
do.
I
O
So
so
it
is
correct
that
you
know
I
I
did
serve
on
the
the
ncc
board
and
chaired
a
committee
and
was
interim
chair
actually
for
a
short
period
of
time.
I
was
deeply
involved
in
the
50-year
plan
that
the
the
ncc
put
forward
and
the
animation
of
confederation
boulevard
was
part
of
the
ncc's
50-year
plan.
This
is
something
that,
over
my
entire
term
on
the
board,
and
if
you
go
back
to
the
the
time
that
jackie
holtzman
even
was
on
the
board
before
me,
this
was
an
option.
This
was
an
idea.
O
O
So
what
I
see
as
the
as
the
next
steps
is
the
ncc
taking
the
lead
on
a
study
bringing
together
all
of
the
various
partners
and
stakeholders,
including
indigenous
communities,
to
examine
the
impacts
and
the
benefits
that
a
loop
would
provide
relative
to
what
is
realized
under
the
other
two
options
that
that
have
been
brought
forward
to
this
committee
to
today.
So
you
know,
I
think
all
of
the
options
remain
on
the
table.
O
So
I
mean
that's
the
reason
why
we're
here
today.
That's
the
reason,
the
timing
for
the
formation
of
of
our
supporters
of
the
loop,
the
ncc,
has
done
work
already
on
this
project
behind
the
scenes.
So
I
I
think
the
timing
is
good.
I'm
encouraged
to
hear
reports
of
mayor
pedro
gervais
is
here
with
us
this
morning,
I'm
encouraged
when
I
see
reports
from
from
gatineau
and
even
from
the
minister
of
transport
in
quebec
that
are
breathing,
as
I
say,
some
life
into
this
project.
O
G
One
of
the
concerns
I
have
is
who's
going
to
pick
up
the
additional
costs
that
will
come
to
the
city
of
ottawa
and
that
would
be,
for
example,
on
wellington.
As
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
tour
buses
that
line
up
up
and
down
wellington,
they're
going
to
have
to
be
moved
somewhere
else.
Does
that
mean
the
city
of
ottawa?
Taxpayers
will
have
to
pay
to
reconfigure
another
street
to
handle
the
traffic
and
so
on
from
there
has
your
group,
given
any
consideration
to
these
additional
costs.
O
So
again,
this
would
be
something
that
would
be
reviewed
in
the
course
of
a
of
a
study.
I
think
all
of
the
consequential
impacts
on
the
on
transit
transportation
on
tourism
on
things
such
as
the
changing
of
the
guard
on
remembrance
day.
All
of
these
things
would
be
would
be
looked
at
at
the
study.
I
actually
think
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
the
city
of
ottawa
to
save
money
and
save
costs.
You
know,
for
example,
by
transferring
ownership
of
wellington
street
to
the
ncc.
O
Let's
give
them
the
the
operating
cost
burden
and
and
and
whatever
issues
that
that
that
arise
this
this
this
street,
I
would,
I
would
say,
is
necessarily
best
in
federal
hands,
particularly
for
the
security
issues
that
the
rcmp
is
responsible
for.
I
know
that
senate
and
other
parliamentary
committees
have
been
have
been
looking
at
this
issue.
You
know
and
their
their
prediction
is
that
you
know
much
like
pennsylvania.
Avenue
was
closed
off
to
traffic.
That
wellington
street,
for
security
reasons
would
be
need
to
be
closed
off
to
to
traffic.
O
You've
got
five
ton
trucks
today
that
are
within
10
meters
of
the
prime
minister's
office
in
east
block
and
west
block,
so
it
you
know
to
your
question.
I
see
this
as
an
opportunity
for
the
city
of
ottawa
to
download
responsibility
for
some
of
the
costs
associated
with
with
security
and
the
infrastructure
in
front
of
wellington.
Street.
G
Thank
you.
I
actually
admire
your
optimism
on
this
that
it
could
be
a
very
positive
thing.
One
more
question
for
you:
you
were
very
involved
with
the
naming
of
the
sir
john,
a
mcdonald
parkway,
with
the
tram
coming
across
the
bridge
there,
basically
making
the
parkway
a
dead
end.
How
do
you
see
the
impacts
there,
because
you
mentioned
earlier
about
phase
three
lrt,
not
being
part
of
the
consideration
here.
G
G
O
So
counselor,
you
know,
as
you
may
know,
I
am
a
big
advocate
of
lrt
in
ottawa
and
had
a
lot
to
do
with
the
the
rooting
of
phase
two
of
lrt
resolving.
You
know
a
pretty
significant
dispute,
I'm
a
big
supporter
of
phase
three
of
lrt.
My
point
in
my
presentation
was
that
the
funding
for
phase
three
of
lrt
would
come
out
of
a
separate
pot
of
money.
It
would
come
out
of
infrastructure
money,
that's
subject
to
joint
federal,
provincial
municipal
agreements
that
comes
out
of
a
separate
pot
of
money.
O
Then
what
would
the
federal
government
would
use
to
fund
the
loop,
the
confederation
loop,
that
falls
within
the
the
federal
realm
and
that
offers
significant
benefits
to
the
to
federal
public
servants?
And
it's
and
it's
essentially
a
nation-building
initiative
that
should
not
be
cost
burdened
on
to
the
city
of
ottawa
or
or
city
of
gatineau.
O
N
Thank
you,
chair
thanks
bob
and
david
before
you
for
for
the
presentations
wellington
street
is
an
award
that
I
represent
and
I'm
quite
interested
in
a
few
things
on
wellington.
One
is
obviously
interprovincial
transit.
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
absolutely
critical
in
order
to
to
build
the
national
capital
region
and
in
order
to
ensure
that
we
have
an
ongoing
and
we
continue
to
grow
into
you
know
a
new
modern
city
and
that
the
idea
of
a
confederation
loop,
you
know-
we've
has
been
bending
about
in
the
past.
N
I've
had
conversations
about
it
different
bias
that
I
sit
on
in
that
area
with
the
mcc
I
and
I
fully
support
the
notion
of
a
loop.
I
think
that
I
think
you're
correct
in
terms
of
not
just
commuter
traffic,
which
we
often
you
know
consider
first,
which
is
fine
around
our
transit,
but
you
know
bringing
people
to
to
both
sides
of
the
river
giving
people.
Those
short
rides
that
and
the
opportunity
for,
for
you
know
just
connecting
residents
and
visitors
and
people
who
work
downtown
to
to
that
entire
corridor.
N
I
think
is,
is
key.
I
want
to
see
a
car
free
wellington,
I'm
going
to
put
that
on
the
table
today.
I
think
that,
as
a
as
a
modern
city,
we've
got
it,
we
have
got
to
commit
to
taking
vehicular
traffic
off
of
wellington.
I
would
say
you
know
after
from
bank
to
elgin
is,
is
absolutely
key.
We
have
to
figure
out
how
we
mitigate
traffic
in
the
the
rest
of
the
downtown.
N
As
a
result,
we
can't
have
traffic
into
provincial
traffic
going
in
you
know
down
booth
street
or
any
of
our
residential
streets,
but
we
certainly
have
a
lot
of
capacity
on
those
highways
that
we
built
through
our
city
years
ago,
lyon
and
and
kent,
so
we've
got.
We've
got
essential
highways
running
through
our
downtown
that
have
a
lot
of
capacity
for
vehicular
traffic,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
support
it.
I
want
to
ask
you-
and
I
I
hope
it's
fair
to
ask
you.
N
O
So
I
think
the
option
that
is
most
consistent
with
the
closure
of
traffic
on
wellington
street,
if
you
as
you
have
advocated
that
supports
a
true
confederation
boulevard,
is
the
the
wellington
street
at
grade
option
as
compared
with
the
tunnel.
I
think,
if
you
had
the
tunnel
that
you
would
be
now
looking
at
the
loop
as
a
completely
discreet
project
and
you
would
not
be
taking
advantage
of
the
opportunities
and
the
investments
that
you
know
are
already
made
coming
across
portage
bridge
and
along
wellington
street.
O
You
know
planning
resources
being
put
to
bear
the
investments
of
the
federal
government.
The
alexandria
bridge,
I
think,
just
now,
is
the
time
to
do
this
as
one
project
rather
than
to
do
a
piecemeal
in
as
two
different
two
different
projects.
I
think
the
risk
of
the
loop
never
coming
to
be
is
greater
if,
if
we
only
look
at
this
as
a
project
that
that
first
gets
his
deliga
street
and
then
we'll
see
what
happens
after
that,.
O
O
So,
as
I
mentioned,
we
we
have
been
meeting.
You
know
our
group,
which
is
a
you
know,
a
growing
group
for
for
over
a
year,
looking
at
the
at
the
various
options.
Originally,
I
had
proposed.
You
know
to
your
point
earlier
in
an
op-ed
in
the
ottawa
citizen
about
turning
wellington
street
into
a
pedestrian
mall,
and
then
that
got
a
lot
of
interest
and
but
not
enough
to
get
over
the
hump.
O
I
needed
more
champions,
and
then
this
then
this
other
idea
came
forward
about
about
integrating
the
the
gatineau
tram
option,
so
I
would
say
that
we
have
had
numerous
discussions
with
federal
provincial
municipal
officials,
current
current
office
holders
and
and
and
past
office
holders,
and
there
have
been
public
declarations
I
think
has
been
referred
to
in
some
of
the
earlier
comments.
I
think
from
lisa
has
mentioned
about
minister
mckenna
speaking
favorably,
you
know
about
this.
Greg
fergus
certainly
has
been
speaking
favorable
favorably
about
this.
O
You
know
how,
as
have
many
others.
In
fact,
every
single
person
that
we
have
reached
out
to
has
been
supportive
of
this
concept,
at
least
studying
the
concept,
so
we're
not
feeling
resistance.
We're
only
feeling
encouragement,
including
from
decision
makers
and
those
that
have
influence
over
how
the
public
purses
is
allocated
and
spent.
N
O
That's
correct
and
we,
when
we
do
have
you
know,
website
and
social
media
transitloop.ca
shows
our
options
for
roots.
They've
got
the
wonderful
renderings
from
david
mcroby.
The
benefits
listed,
the
news
feeds
that
have
happened
and
and
other
endorsements.
So
so
yes,
that
that's
that's
our
that's
the
vision
that
you
know
that
we
see
for
for
the
next
hundred
years.
L
L
L
O
O
You
know
come
right
downtown
without
having
necessarily
to
have
a
transit,
stop
to
get
off
of
one
mode
of
transportation
and
on
to
another,
so
I
mean
that's
the
the
logical
benefit
of
not
having
you
know
two
different
systems
just
just
functionally.
I
don't
think
you
have
to
be
a
technical
expert
to
say
that,
but
to
your
point,
counselor
I
mean
you
know.
There
is
no
technical
reason
why
you
couldn't
have
a
multi-modal
type
system.
O
Again,
I
think
the
study
would
would
would
look
at
yeah
would
look
at
what
you're
proposing,
which
is,
you
know,
is
a
all
tram
option,
the
best
way
to
go
or
or
there
might
be,
other
modes
of
of
creating
the
loop,
including
you
know,
an
all-electric
bus
as
as
an
option.
So
I
think
this.
The
study
would
would
look
at
that.
O
O
Yes,
I
think
the
alexandra
bridge
is
one
of
the
one
of
the
three
drivers
of
this.
We
are,
you
know
it
is
now.
The
ncc
is
doing
public
consultations
on
the
replacement
of
the
of
that
bridge,
and
now
is
the
time
to
think
about
how
how
to
integrate
public
transit
into
that
into
that
bridge,
and-
and
we
know
when
we're-
you
know,
I'm
an
economist
at
heart-
and
I've
been
you
know,
a
writer
and
consultant.
O
L
My
survey
last
week
and
I
said
you've
got
to
make
room
for
the
tram
or
a
train,
because
without
that
then
that
bridge
to
me
is
is
not
mr
shell
just
said.
I
thank
the
presenter,
I
think
is
his
comment
about
you
know,
wellington
street
being
taken
over
by
the
federal
government.
I
think,
is
an
interesting
suggestion,
something
that
I
think
needs
additional
thought.
There's
a
number
of
reasons
why
that
makes
sense,
and
I
really
like
the
suggestion
that
all
three
proposals
should
go
through
a
cost-benefit
analysis.
L
B
B
People
who
are
heading
west,
because
not
everybody
works,
downtown,
they're
heading
west
to
go
to
high
tech
out
in
canada
and
other
places
and
they
fill
the
parkway.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
studies
have
been
done
to
prove
that
these
these
people
are
going
to
take
transit
as
well.
I
mean
it's
nice
to
have
that
loop
and
it's
very
touristy,
and
it's
it's
great.
B
B
E
O
And
you,
you
can
see
from
the
the
rendering
that
david
mcrobe
has
produced.
There
is
cycling
on
wellington
street.
The
only
thing
that
we
know
just
in
our
conversations
as
a
as
a
committee
that
this
would
not
be
you
know,
for
high-speed
cycling
this
this
would
be
for
a
relatively
slow
pedestrian
speed
type
cycling,
so
that
cycling
would
certainly
have
access
to
it
and
cycling
would
be
promoted
on
on
wellington
street,
but
in
a
very
safe
and
and
cautious
way.
B
O
A
Great,
thank
you
bob,
I'm
looking
at
the
board.
I
don't
see
any
other
questions
for
yourself,
so
that
ends
the
delegation
component
of
our
conversation
here
committee
today,
but
before
I
start
going
to
the
board
for
questions
to
staff.
John,
oh,
it
seems
like
the
last
few
delegations
we've
been
speaking
a
lot
about
everything,
but
the
report,
great
vision
for
the
loop,
a
lot
of
great
ideas.
What
you've
heard
today?
J
J
Then
I
would
encourage
someone
to
move
a
recommendation
that
you
direct
staff
to
include
in
the
tmp
which
is
underway
now,
and
this
unlocks.
What
mr
plummerdon
is
talking
about.
How
do
you?
How
do
you
keep
the
vision
alive
and
how
do
you
move
it
and
study
it,
and
again
it's
great
to
hear
that
everybody
understands
the
complexity
of
that.
I
should
say
the
report
does
not
preclude
the
loop
in
any
way.
J
So
if
you
report
or
approve
the
the
report,
you're
not
compromising
the
vision
of
the
loop
and
I
think
it's
more
than
the
loop,
I
think,
as
mr
mcrobery
showed
those
great
pictures,
you
could
direct
staff
to
do
two
things:
a
study
on
the
loop
that
is
100
funded
by
the
federal
government,
both
in
the
study
and
in
the
build
and
in
the
operation
of
it.
I
would
be
that
specific
on
it.
I
would
take
it
a
step
further.
J
If
you
want
the
vision
to
be
even
bolder,
you
could
also
direct
staff
to
direct
the
federal
government
to
fund
a
vision
for
what
the
wellington
street
looks
like
is.
Are
we
converting
that
to
a
pedestrian
mall?
Are
we
converting
that
to
a
precinct
very
much
like
other
cities
and
so
forth,
so
that
could
be
in
the
tmp
with
the
conditions
of
federal
funding,
as
mr
plamadon
talked
about,
and
I
would
also
put
in
that
motion
that
you
reinforce
your
priorities
are
stage
three
for
funding
when
it
comes
to
provincial
and
federal
funding.
J
So
that
way
you
have
yeah.
You
continue
with
your
mission
on
stage
three.
You
have
a
vision
for
the
future
on
the
loop
that
seems
to
be.
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
everyone's
endorsing
that
or
not,
but
if
that's
what
you
want
and
you
move
forward
on
a
very
important
project
with
sdo
and
in
terms
of
the
staff
report
and
the
recommendation.
That's
before
you.
A
H
I
dudas
want
to
express
my
appreciation
for
mayor
pedro
by
being
here
today
to
listen
to
this.
I
think
that
it's
really
becoming
of
you
to
to
to
have
you
know
a
hand
in
this
discussion
indeed,
and
to
hear
what
what
ottawa
city
council
has
to
say.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
your
transportation
chair,
your
transit
chair
of
sto,
for
engaging
with
us
on
this
project.
I
think
that
we
had
some
fruitful
discussions.
H
H
H
I
do
want
to
see
spark
street
revitalized
and
I
think
that,
having
you
know,
thousands
of
people
get
off
on
spark
street
will
be
great
for
for
business
on
spark
street
and
we'll
also
shift
the
focus
to
to
revitalizing
this
very,
very
important
piece
of
our
downtown.
That
you
know,
frankly,
over
the
years,
has
been
really
underused.
H
So
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
share
my
comments,
mr
attorney
again,
I
will
support
the
staff
report,
but
I
really
want
to
see
a
focus
on
the
spark
street
tunnel.
You
know
the
city
of
ottawa
and
the
province
of
ontario
and
the
government
of
canada
spent
billions
of
dollars,
putting
our
lrt
underground.
H
I
don't
want
all
that
effort
to
be
wasted
now
by
you
know,
placing
a
tram
where
we
could
have
run
the
where
we
could
have
run
the
lrt.
In
the
first
place.
We
did
quite
a
bit
of
work
to
to
move
that
infrastructure
underground
so
as
to
not
disturb
you
know,
you
know
emergency
operations
on
wellington
street
to
ensure
that
we
can
continue
to
have
traffic
running
east
and
west
along
that
really
important
vista.
Thank.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
My
questions
are
to
to
vivien
and
john,
particularly
so
so
I
want
to
understand
in
the
report
there's
a
number
of
studies
that
the
federal
government
has
undertaken,
that
it'd
be
the
wellington
rideau
colonel
bias,
node
the
bi-directional
lane
along
wellington,
the
alexandra
bridge,
what
other
studies
are
happening
in
the
federal
precinct
that
would
could
have
influence
on
this
and
have
we
gotten
feedback
from
those
stakeholders.
E
Yeah
you've
counselor
you've
identified
the
key
studies
there.
Although
the
rito
sussex
note
is
actually
city
of
ottawa
led
a
project
with
involvement
of
the
ncc.
The
ncc
is
working
with
us
on
the
joint
bi-directional
bike
lanes
on
wellington
through
the
sto
study.
Pspc
are
looking
at
the
longer
term
plans
for
the
judicial
precincts
and
what
they
want
to
do
there.
So
they
haven't
started
that
study.
So
we
don't
have
any
information
on
that,
but
for
this
area
I
think
you've
touched
on
all
the
important
studies
that
are
underway.
I
There
are
there
there's
rumors,
and
I
guess
these
are
in
secret
senate
committees
and
and
pspc
parliamentary
preaching
stuff,
but
there
is
rumors
that
the
federal
government
was
looking
to
close
wellington
in
the
near
future.
Is
that
information
that
you
were
made
aware
of
or
that
you're
you're
privy
to.
I
And
although
I
support
my
colleague
and
neighbor
councilor
mckinney's
point
around
pedestrianization,
can
you
maybe
speak
to
the
report
because
I
know
ecology,
ottawa
tweeted
earlier
this
week
that
the
well
or
last
week
that
the
wellington
option
was
the
option
to
pedestrianize
wellington?
And
although
I
think
that
to
be
very
desirable,
I
I
didn't
see
that
in
the
report.
So
can
you
speak
to
the
design
elements
of
wellington
that
were
discussed
and
if,
in
your
mind
or
or
where
in
the
report,
it
spoke
to
the
removal
of
cars?
E
Oh,
that
was
actually
brought
up
in
september,
and
the
two
options
on
wellington
are
two
one
is
to
maintain
traffic
all
along
the
entire
stretch.
So
it's
one
lane
per
direction
and
turning
movements
would
be
restricted.
Turning
lanes
would
be
removed
in
order
to
make
the
space
for
the
tramway.
So
that's
the
option
that
is
in
the
report
in
front
of
you
today.
So
it's
a
wellington
with
traffic.
The
other
sub
option
along
wellington
is
no
traffic
east
of
bank
street,
so
between
bank
and
elegant
there
would
be
no
traffic
permitted
there.
I
Okay
and
then
yeah,
so
maybe
maybe
maybe
that
is
a
thing
to
consider
that
the
this
committee
might
want
to
strike
a
position
on
the
the
desirability
of
the
public
realm
along
wellington
as
it
is,
as
it
forms
recommendation
three.
The
the
loop
question
you
and
I
have
had
countless
discussions
over
the
last
week
on
the
report
and
the
loop
itself.
I
I
I
wonder
how,
if
you
can
express
the
you-
and
I
have
talked
about
the
technology
challenges,
so
if
wellington
was
to
proceed
with
a
stub
at
the
end
of
the
route,
what
would
be
in
from
a
from
your
expertise
in
transportation
planning?
What
would
be
the
limitations
to
all
of
a
sudden
think
of
a
phase?
Two
of
that
without
a
comprehensive
review
in
the
first.
E
Place,
okay,
so
the
current
seo
study
talks
about
a
street
car
type
technology,
so
tramway,
but
it
in
its
own
dedicated
lane.
So
it's
to
work
with
at
grade
with
intersections
people
get
on
people
get
off
the
tram
and
it's
probably
a
vehicle
signs
that
would
be
suitable
for
the
commuting
demand
from
the
western
end.
E
E
E
I
I
think
those
are
very
good
points.
I
I
would
highlight
to
committee
that
you
know
that's
where
it
leaves
the
wellington
stub
as
a
really
with
a
lot
of
concern
to
us
that
this
would
proceed
through
the
federal
review
without
the
key,
the
key
elements
that
that
were
highlighted
by
our
city
professionals.
I
Mr
chair,
I
do
have
the
motion
on
the
floor
and
mr
manconi
did
raise
a
number
of
recommendations
which
I
think
would
would
be
best
suited
in
to
be
added
to
my
motion.
I'm
certainly
comfortable
in
adding
what
I
believe
he
said,
which
was
to
include
it
in
our
tmp
and
then
study
that
the
feds
would
pay
for
the
study,
the
built
and
the
operation
of
any
loop
option
and
then
also
asking
for
the
design
of
the
of
the
wellington
corridor
from
the
federal
government.
A
Thank
god
for
versioning,
and
in
word,
maybe
you
can
work
with
staff,
because
we
do
have
quite
a
few
more
on
the
board
to
make
sure
the
wording
is
correct,
so
we
can
present
it
on
the
screen
to
ensure
all
members
of
this
committee
are
aware
of
the
actual
warning.
If
you
can
go
ahead,
work
with
probably
who's
best
john.
Can
you
give
us
some
guidance
here.
A
L
Chair
to
vivi
and
john
actually
sorry.
First,
I
should
say
that
you
know,
as
we
discussed
this
idea
of
pedestrianizing
wellington
street,
I'm
going
to
disagree
with
the
council
ruloff
and
and
disagree
with
them
vehemently.
I
think
you
know
we
can
take
a
look
at
the
example
of
of
washington
dc
and
the
of
spaces
in
front
of
the
white
house
on
pennsylvania
avenue,
for
example,
as
an
example
of
how
we
can
really
try
to
make
the
the
city
truly
inviting
to
people
who
want
to
see
it.
L
But
that's
not
a
decision
that
we
have
to
make
today.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
from
vivi
and
john
that
if
we
approve
the
staff
report,
which
is
to
approve
of
the
wellington
street
with
traffic
street
level,
option
that
we
are
not
fully
closing
the
door,
whether
there
is
a
tram
on
wellington
or
whether
that
tram
goes
in
a
spark
street
tunnel
that
you
know
some
future
council
has
the
opportunity
to
pedestrianize
wellington
street.
E
So
I
don't
think
you
will
be
precluding
it.
Our
recommendation
is
based
on
the
information,
the
study
that
has
been
done
to
date
and,
and
that
is
that
the
option
with
traffic
through
wellington
is
not
a
show
stopper.
It
has
some
issues,
but
not
significant.
Now,
if
you
take
traffic
away
from
the
entire
corridor
or
part
of
it,
it's
a
different,
a
different
scenario
that
we
would
be
describing
to
you.
E
E
L
Sure
yeah,
I
I
don't
believe
that
this
committee
or
this
council
is
willing
to
make
a
determination
today
that
we
want
to
pedestrianize
wellington.
But
my
support
for
the
staff
report
is
on
the
basis
that,
if
some
future
council
shows
that
that
is
the
direction
in
which
it
wants
to
go
that
it
would
be
possible
so
I'll
be
supporting
the
report.
A
C
Thank
you.
I
have
an
a
couple
of
questions
in
respect
to
actually
council
hubley's
motion
that
is
before
us
as
well
as
I
want
to
get
back
to
the
conversation
about
the
the
report.
That's
in
front
of
us,
I
I
was
hoping
to
get
a
vv,
your
opinion
or
john's
opinion
on
the
the
motion
in
respect
to
the
bridge.
C
So
my
question
is:
is
that
you
know
we're
talking
about
better
interactions,
better
connections
with
our
partners
on
the
other
side
of
the
river
and
we're
seeing
this
motion
in
front
of
us
in
respect
to
a
sixth
bridge?
And
while
you
know
I,
I
hundred
percent
want
us
to
prioritize
sustainable
transportation
options
once
again,
having
better
connections
and
having
that
bridge
as
part
of
the
holistic
approach
to
our
connections
and
our
transportation
options.
J
So
so
we
were
surprised
also
that
we're
back
into
the
bridge
discussion.
I
mean
you
know,
council.
This
council,
previous
councils,
have
been
through
a
lot
on
this
bridge
issue.
Staff
remain
focused
on
the
priorities
that
you've
given
us
in
the
current
tmp
and
in
the
future.
Tmp
that's
under
discussion
with
you
right
now,
so
in
terms
of
where
we
would
sit
in
terms
of
support,
our
our
position
is
council
has
been
clear
on
where
your
priorities
are
across
all
modes.
J
Unless
council
wants
to
change
those
priorities-
and
I
doubt
that
that's
what
you're
suggesting
at
this
point,
because
the
bridge
was
not
in
the
plan
and
again,
the
tmp
is
your
opportunity
to
if
a
bridge
is
a
priority
of
council
in
the
community,
that's
where
you
would
put
this
priority
in
in
the
queue
but
right
now
it's
not
in
the
queue
for
us.
Our
focus
remains
on
all
the
other
elements
of
the
tmp.
C
Okay,
so
so,
once
it
you're
representing
a
lot
of
people
train,
you
know
commuting
from
the
east
end.
I
think
that
for
me
this
particular
motion
and
forgive
me
counselor,
hugh
lee.
I
know
your
intentions
are
well
placed.
I
will
not
be
supporting
your
particular
motion,
because
I
think
that
we
still
need
a
lot
of
public
consultation
in
respect
to
our
economic
opportunities
in
connecting
the
east
end
of
our
city.
C
With
our
connections
in
gatineau,
there
are
opportunities
for
greater
connections
with
public
transit
with
our
partners
and
our
economic
opportunities
in
montreal,
and
we
need
to
also
continue
to
focus
on
how
will
we
ever
get
trucks
out
of
the
downtown
core?
Knowing
that
a
tunnel
is
a
very
cost
expenditure?
So
I
think
that
you
know
I
would
like
to
see
further
conversation
about
it.
I
would
never
say
I'm
going
to
advocate
for
one
connection
over
another
right
now,
but
I'm
just
saying.
I
think
that
I
can't
support
this
particular
motion.
C
E
In
our
presentation
we
said
that
both
options
do
not
preclude
the
loop.
There
would
be
some
redundancy
for
a
segment,
because
you
know
you
have
the
east-west
connection
under
sparks
and
there's
also
an
east-west
connection
on
wellington
for
the
loop.
So
there
is
that
in
our
presentation
we
said
that
the
sparks
tunnel
would
I
divert
away
and
would
not
be
as
integrated
with
the
loop.
C
Okay
and
that's
good
to
know
too,
because
even
if
we
pass
this
report,
which
I
will
be,
I
will
be
voting
in
favor
of
it
still
doesn't
stop
us
from
having
this
longer
term
conversation
about.
How
can
we
get
this
better
connection
with
gatineau
how
we
can
have
a
better
connectivity
in
terms
of
our
commuters,
but
also
our
businesses?
I
would
like
to
know,
though,
too
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
pedestrianizing
wellington
and
I
have
to
say
I
would
be
in
favor
of
that.
C
C
Is
there
indication
that
the
federal
government
would
be
willing
to
come
to
the
table
with
money
for
this
that
they
would
be
able
to?
As
as
one
of
our
presenters
have
mentioned
before,
that
we
can
download
wellington
to
them?
Is
there
a
potential
that
they
would
take
this
on,
because
I
would
not
want
to
see
ottawa
taxpayers
covering
the
cost
of
a
vision
that
would
mean
that
we
couldn't
put
money
into
stage
three
of
lrt
to
bar
haven
or
canada.
E
Is
that
for
me
counselor?
Are
you
asking
me
yes,
okay?
Well,
it
seems
that
the
s
the
feds
are
sdo
has
been
in
discussion
with
the
federal
government
about
funding
the
sto
tramway
project,
and
I
know
that
the
ncc
have
been
interested
in
this
loop
for
a
while.
So
I
would
have
to
assume
that
the
federal
government
would
have
is
the
major
stakeholder
in
both
of
these
projects
and
not
that
this
would
not
be
part
of
the
city
of
ottawa's
responsibilities
for
finance,
for
funding.
J
Councilor,
the
the
draft
motion
we're
pulling
together,
I'm
going
to
make
it
abundantly
clear
that
it's
all
in
it's,
as
mr
plamadon
said,
if,
if
the
federal
government
wants
to
fund
the
creation
of
a
pedestrian
mall
in
front
of
the
peace
tower
and
a
loop
and
take
over
and
I've
been
involved
in
lots
of
transfers
with
the
ncc
on
these
things
are
complicated.
They're
costly.
J
But
the
motion,
my
recommendation
to
committee
would
be
that
you'd
be
crystal
clear
that
you
don't
just
study
it,
but
the
all
costs
for
the
loop
and
the
mall.
If
you
turn
it
into
whatever
a
pedestrian
mall
or
a
tourist,
whatever
it
becomes,
become
the
responsibility
of
the
federal
government
for
operating
capital
and
the
study
costs,
and
that's
the
draft
motion
that
we're
working
on
right
now.
That
would
come
to
you.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
I'll
offer
it
up
to
councillor
dudas,
because
I
don't
want
to
leave
it
out
there
that,
if
she's
not
supporting
this
motion,
I
don't
want
people
interpreting
that
that
she
is
not
prioritizing
one-third
of
the
city
to
be
involved
in
the
lrt
project
by
excluding
bear
haven
and
canada
and
stittsville.
G
So
I'm
happy
if
she
wishes
to
amend
it
to
take
out
the
references
to
the
bridge,
so
that
would
be
the
last,
whereas
about
the
bridge
and
then
the
last
five
words
rather
than
a
six
bridge.
The
intent
of
the
motion
from
the
start
was
to
ensure
that
the
mayor
put
on
the
table
that
the
city
was
prioritizing
funding
for
lrt
phase
three,
so
that
we
could
get
all
the
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people
that
live
in
bar
haven
and
canada
and
stittsville
onto
the
the
lrt
system.
G
I
see
it,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
connected
to
this
system.
Our
concern
is
because
I
I
actually
like
some
of
the
ideas
that
are
being
discussed
here
for
removing
sto
buses,
but
we
have
to
get
our
position
on
the
table,
so
that
was
the
intent
of
the
motion,
and
so,
if
it's
the
will
of
the
committee
I'm
more
than
happy
to
take
those
out
because
they
were
put
in
by
other
counselors
suggesting
we,
we
do
this.
A
G
J
So,
just
for
clarity,
the
the
if
you
approve
the
staff
report,
our
position
is
that
everything
associated
with
the
tram
system
in
that's
in
this
study
is
a
hundred
percent
up
to
sto
to
get
from
the
federal
government
or
other
funding
sources.
The
city
of
ottawa
should
not
be
on
the
hook
for
any
costs
and
there
will
be
costs
intersection.
J
Coordination,
logistics,
cycling,
pedestrians,
all
those
things.
So
the
report
makes
it
very
clear:
it's
all
their
cost
anything
associated
with
the
loop,
the
amended
motion
or
the
motion
that
I'm
crafting
up
is
going
to
be
very
clear.
That
is
there
if
there's
any
direct
or
indirect
costs
which
counselor
dudas
spoke
to
you're
speaking
to
chair
hubley.
G
Okay,
thank
you
and
finally,
councilor
moroccan
brought
up
an
interesting
idea
this
morning
about
perhaps
going
to
e-buses
for
this.
As
everybody
knows,
we
have
a
pilot
project
in
the
works
on
e-busses.
Would
it
be
possible,
mr
manconi,
to
reach
out
to
your
counterparts
at
sto
to
see
if
they
would
like
to
be
a
part
of
that
pilot
to
see
if
that
might
be
a
more
affordable
option
to
deliver
this
cross-border
service.
J
J
Yeah,
perhaps
I'll,
let
the
sto
staff
speak
to
that
in
detail,
but
at
the
high
level
the
the
use
of
buses
was
looked
at
and
they
the
study
is
a
long-term
view
and
so
the
tram
it's
not
about
the
the
fuel
source,
because
you're
electrified
either
way
so
you're
getting
the
environmental
benefits.
It's
about
capacity,
future
capacity
on
that.
So
perhaps
you
may
want
the
sto
to
comment
on
that.
This
commits
you
to
going
with
the
tram
option
in
terms
of
the
the
mode.
G
P
Yes,
if
I'm
a
mr
chair,
patrick
I'm,
a
director
of
planning
at
dsto,
we
did
look
at
it
and
even
with
articulated
buses
at
the
opening
of
the
system,
we'd
have
over
100
buses
per
hour
crossing
the
portage
bridge.
So
even
that
was
not
a
suitable
option
to
to
meet
the
needs
of
reducing
the
number
of
buses.
D
D
I
think
wellington
right
now
is
is
pretty
unpleasant.
Actually,
it's
it's
not
a
great
street
to
be
on
in
general.
It
doesn't
feel
safe.
It
doesn't
feel
like
you've
got
the
space
to
move
around.
It's
not
what
a
street
running
in
front
of
parliament
should
really
look
like
in
my
view,
and
so
it
converting
to
a
tramway,
I
think,
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
improve
pedestrian
facilities
to
really
improve
the
cycling
facilities,
which
is
an
economic
advantage
for
the
city,
is
as
well
as
an
increase
for
safety.
D
D
You
know
also
greening
along
the
tracks
as
an
option.
So
I
think
this
is
important.
The
piece
about
you
know
approving
this
report
and
the
option
that
we've
got
in
front
of
us
with
cars
on
the
street.
I
mean,
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
we're
studying
that
appropriately
as
councilor
hubley
notes
in
a
different
motion
to
be
considered
today.
D
If
we
pass
this
motion
today,
is
there
going
to
be
more
information,
that's
similar
to
counselor
leeper's
question,
but
I
just
want
to
be
clear:
is
there
going
to
be
more
information
to
come
back
to
us
on
a
pedestrianized
wellington
that
says?
Look
at
this
could
be
an
option
or
this.
This
isn't
an
option
for
us,
for
these
reasons
is
that
going
to
come
back
to
make
a
decision
on
it
or
is
this
it
and
and
we're
heading
forward
with
the
sparks
if
there's
funding,
but
if
not
wellington
with.
D
D
Okay-
and
I
mean
it's
important,
because
when
I
when
I
spoke
with
representatives
from
gatineau
and
in
looking
through
the
report
it
it
seemed
that
we
were
heading
in
the
direction
of
approving
a
a
wellington
if,
if,
if
need
be,
which
I
think
it
should
be
there,
but
that
we
don't
lose
that
other
option
and
that
that's
really
important
for
me
is
is,
is
I
don't
do?
Do
we
need
to
approve
a
wellington
without
with
cars
today,
or
could
we
add
a
clause
on
to
this?
D
J
Yeah,
mr
chair,
through
you,
I
think
I
think
everything
that
the
the
counselor
is
raising
is
is
in
staffs
bullets
under
three
we're
on
the
same
page
counselor.
It's
this
isn't
the
end
of
the
of
the
work.
There's
a
lot
of
heavy
lifting
that
seo
needs
to
do
and
needs
to
bring
back
to
you
if
it's
wellington
with
a
tram.
J
What
does
that
corridor?
What
does
that
cross-section
look
like
and
to
vivie's
point
the
job
of
staff
is
to
make
sure
that
you
know
at
the
highest
level
all
of
council's
city
of
ottawa,
council's
policies,
priorities
and
practices
are
checked
off
and
we'd
be
happy
to
bring
back
an
information
report
or
whatever
to
say
if
it's
with
the
tram
here's
what
it
looks
like
now.
J
If
you
approve
a
motion
that
speaks
to
the
vision
of
a
loop
that
will
further
shape
our
view
and
our
lens
that
we
apply
to
it
because
you're
going
to
want
to
keep
the
corridor
flexible
in
terms
of
where
the
tracks
go
and
all
those
sorts
of
things.
So
in
into
making
that
real
again,
if
the
motion's
approved,
we
would
work
with
sto
to
say.
D
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
That's
helpful
and
I
think
in
the
report
there's
a
couple
pieces
mentioned
around,
particularly
on
our
regular
operations,
so
snow
clearing,
for
example,
and
the
cost
and
where,
where
that
would
be
realized
and
what
options
we'd
have
for
that
and
so
and
one
of
the
things
raised
was
there's
no
snow
storage
area
in
this
case
and
so
and
that
we
have
to
remove
snow.
D
I
think
almost
every
time
after
a
heavy
heavy
snowfall
is
what
it
was
saying,
and
so
I
guess
the
the
question
is:
is
that
more
amenable
under
a
pedestrianized
space
easier
for
us
to
to
deal
with
under
pedestrianized
space
versus
one
with
with
traffic
and
in
their
staff
report?
There
was
also
a
cost
for
the
wellington
tram
with
the
traffic
option,
but
I
don't
know
if
I
saw
it
with
without
it,
and
so
I'm
running
on
those
two
pieces.
J
J
You
can
argue
it
both
ways,
whether
it's
a
tram
system
on
a
mixed
use,
corridor
or
a
pedestrian
mall.
Some
would
argue
that
a
pedestrian
mall
have
higher
costs
because
there's
a
lot
of
hand,
work
and
so
forth.
We're
not
worried
about
all
those
things,
we'll
figure
that
stuff
out,
and
even
with
the
tram
and
the
current
configuration
remembering
that
we
had
a
future
an
earlier
phase
of
our
assist
lrt
system.
That
was
gonna,
be
all
on
road,
so
we
know
the
costs
and
how
to
do
that.
J
Snow
removal
and
things
like
that.
I
think,
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
of
some
of
the
bigger
policy
discussions
that
you're
having
today,
I
would
I
would
just
let
you
know
that
we
know
how
to
sort
through
the
snow
stuff
there'll
be
a
premium
and
again
those
are
all
the
details
that
we
can
sort
out
and
move
forward
on.
D
E
B
N
N
You
know
people
often
say,
and
it's
it's
not
untrue-
that
you
know
somerset
ward.
You
know
kind
of
goes
up
to
sparks
even
and
beyond
that
residents
who
live
downtown,
don't
don't
travel,
they
don't
travel
down
sparks
because
they
don't
live
there.
Then
they
don't
travel
down
wellington
because
it's
it's
unpleasant.
You
know
unless
you're
a
tourist
and
you're
going
straight
over
to
to
visit
on
the
hill.
N
It's
it's
an
unpleasant
street
with
a
lot
of
traffic,
fast
traffic
and-
and
you
know
not
not
particularly
safe
for
for
cyclists-
and
there
are
plans
to
to
provide
cycling
options
for
for
wellington.
But
today's
conversation
around
pedestrianizing
wellington
is
the
first
time
we've
had
that
in.
I
think
this
forum
and
in
the
serious
forum
and-
and
I
appreciate
that
I
just
I
just
want
to
learn
from
staff-
get
your
opinion
on
the
the
motion
in
front
of
us.
N
Does
that
whereas
move
us
further
away
from
so
that
I
I
don't
agree
with
that,
whereas
because
I
think
it
again
it
it
establishes
the
tunnel
option
as
the
as
the
preferred
option.
I
think
all
options
should
be
on
the
table.
I
think
we
should
be
looking
at
them
all,
but
but
does
that,
whereas
and
as
a
result
that
the
motion
move
us
further
away
from
pedestrianizing
wellington
street
or
does
it
move
us
closer
to
pedestrianizing
wellington
street.
J
I
think
my
view
of
it
I
mean
just
have
to
ask
clerks
for
their
opinions,
but
I
think
if
you
approve
a
motion
or
amended
motion
or
a
standalone
motion
that
you're
going
to
ask
staff
to
get
the
federal
government
to
look
at
a
pedestrian,
mall
and
a
loop,
I
think
it
neutralizes
that
and
and
just
it
you're
you're
you're,
keeping
all
your
options
open.
Counselors
is
what
I'm
saying:
okay,
that's
my
interpretation
of
it.
Okay,
the
standalone
flurry
motion,
as
I
said
in
my
opening
comments,
is
not
technical
in
nature.
J
N
N
When
you,
when
you
consider
vehicular
traffic
as
a
priority,
can
you
tell
me
what
you
consider
that
to
mean
in
this
area?
Is
it
you
know
ensuring?
Obviously
we
don't
want
interprovincial
traffic
going
down
booth
street.
We
can't
divert
it
down
a
residential
street.
I
have
actually
have
a
an
inquiry
coming
about
booth
street
later
today,
because
it's
it's
such
a
mess.
N
But
again,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
do
have
line
and
kent,
which
are
essentially
highways
that
we
really
need
to
start
narrowing
they're,
you
know,
have
have
an
immense
amount
of
capacity
on
those
streets.
Are
you
looking
at
at
the
options
of
diverting
some
of
that
traffic
down
lion
and
kant
to
ensure
that
we
would
be
able
to
keep
wellington
pedestrianized
between
bank
and.
J
A
L
A
E
We
go
and
and
of
course
we
have
to
ensure
that
our
lens
of
review
would
be
supporting
council
policies,
and
we
know
that
in
your
community,
in
your
work,
counselor
that
the
issue
of
traffic
on
booth
street
with
residential
homes,
there
is
a
big
concern.
So
that's
how
we
would
review
all
the
information
that
comes
through
this
study
with
that
lens,
as
well.
Q
Okay,
so
so
in
term
of
traffic,
there
are
two
things
when,
when
we
put
the
tramway
on
wellington,
it
affects
greatly
the
access
to
the
parliament
hill.
So,
as
vivici
said,
there's
there
will
be
no
more
left
turn
and
right
turn
from
wellington
to
access.
The
hill
traffic
will
need
to
go
through
side.
Street
pedestrianizing
wellington
between
bank
and
elgin
only
affects
through
traffic.
Q
With
the
with
the
guardian
wall,
rt
and
and
ease
of
construction,
you
could
still
run
with
pedestrianizing
the
wellington
between
bank
elgin,
as
as
being
a
city
beautification
element
and
not
impacting
the
access
to
the
hill,
so
having
a
lot
less
impact
on
downtown
traffic
and
then,
if
the
loop
comes
at
a
later
time,
it
could
very
well
be
integrated
and
why
we
have
a
major
impact
to
access
to
the
hill.
Is
we
are
operating
a
two-way
tramway
with
really
short
headway,
so
we
need
two
tracks
with
a
loop.
N
N
N
As
we
you
know,
as
we
progress
as
a
city,
I
think
I
don't
think
that
that
making
it
easier
is
going
to
also
align
with
our
our
priorities
of
getting
people
onto
transit.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I've
laid
that
out
for
staff
when
you
are
looking
at
the
the
impacts
yeah,
it's
not
so
much
making
it
easier
for
people
to
drive
through
the
downtown.
That
is,
that
is
the
key
concern.
Thank
you.
I
I
So
my
motion-
and
if
you
read
that
therefore
be
resolved,
really
speak
to
the
aspiration
of
a
loop
and
how
to
advance
that
and
and
refer
a
factual
element
from
the
report,
and
you
know
the
report
like
it
or
not-
does
favor
spark
street
as
the
underground
option,
where
we're
there's
a
lot
of
conflicting
discussions
and
information,
because
the
city
of
gatineau
in
the
last
week
said
well,
look
we're
concerned
that
we
can't
afford
this
right.
So
that's
brought
less
interest
for
the
sparks
underground
element
and
and
the
discussion
around
wellington.
I
I
remain
very
concerned
with
wellington
because
of
the
what
I'll
call
the
end
stub
right,
which
you
know
there
are.
There
are
a
lot
of
elements
there
that
without
a
loop,
in
my
perspective,
create
an
end
point
right
into
one
of
the
grand
visions
of
our
our
city,
which
is
walking
up
elgin
street.
Seeing
the
shadow
laurier
seeing
the
canal
and
parliament
precinct
one.
F
Final
comment:
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
congratulate
sto
for
putting
forward
this
file.
It's
an
important
file
for
the
residents
of
gatineau.
It's
not
an
easy
file
for
us
here
in
ottawa.
There
are
several
points
of
interest
here
and
the
things
we
want
to
see
done
for
wellington,
street
and
also
the
possibility
of
integration
of
the
two
transportation
systems
and
there's
also
the
leadership
of
the
community
and
the
proposal
for
the
construction
of
a
loop.
F
I
think
that
the
loop
might
be
the
alternative
that
might
resolve
all
the
issues,
so
we
would
have
a
loop
that
would
connect
people
from
elmer
to
downtown
ottawa.
I
would
go
even
further
than
that.
I
think
in
the
first,
in
the
first
briefing
that
we
got
from
sto
in
may,
they
said
that
bayview
was
a
secondary
option.
An
alternative!
F
F
F
F
F
Of
course
it's
important
to
invest
in
public
transit,
but
it's
also
important
to
well
there's
currently
a
study
going
going
on
on
a
six
bridge,
I'm
a
resident
of
the
area
of
the
city,
that's
impacted
by
these
18-wheeled
trucks,
rumbling
down
our
streets,
so
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
that
issue
as
well.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
B
B
But
what
I
worry
about
is
approving
the
staff
report
as
it
is
today
and
I'm
wondering
if
it
would
not
make
more
sense
to
approve
it
in
principle,
but
once
it's
more
informed
that
it
will
come
back
for
a
final
approval,
especially
we're
hearing.
A
lot
of
concern
raised
about
item
number
three
with
so
many
unknowns.
J
Yes,
chair,
what
I
would
recommend
on
that
is
sto
needs
to
to
hear
a
go.
No
go
decision
from
you
today.
So
what
I
would
recommend
and
I'd
like
sto
to
comment
on
this
also,
and
maybe,
if
she's
got
any
concerns,
is
I
would
suggest
to
you
that,
rather
than
approval
in
principle,
you
approve
the
report.
J
If
that's
what
you
do
and
that
you
give
us
direction
that
you
want
to
hear
the
detailed
information
back
on
the
so
you've
approved
the
what
you
want
to
hear
the
how
so
that
you're
not
closing
the
door
on
the
future
vision,
you're
dealing
with
the
pedestrian
issue,
the
traffic
issues
and
so
forth.
But
I
do
want
counselor
deans
to
get
stos
feedback
they're.
They
need
to
hear,
go,
no
go
because
they're,
looking
for
funding
and
so
forth.
J
B
I'm
willing
to
listen
to
what
sto
has
to
say.
My
problem
is
that
just
coming
back
and
telling
us
what
they're
going
to
do
sort
of
is
not
maybe
enough.
For
me,
the
devil
is
always
in
the
detail
and
I
think
we're.
This
is
a
major
decision
with
long-term
implications
for
our
city
and
especially
the
downtown
core,
which
is
everything,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
unknowns
in
here.
So
I
will
look
to
sdo
to
comment
on
this.
B
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
give
a
signal
that
we're
willing
to
talk
about
it
and
work
with
you
to
advance
it
but
being
prudent
to
represent
our
constituents
and
our
taxpayers
on
this
side
of
the
river
and
a
very
important
national
area
for
the
entire
country
that
we
would
like
to
see
more
detail
before
we
give
the
final
go?
No.
A
B
P
Yeah
so,
mr
chair,
if
I
me
I'll
I'll
answer
it
to
consular
deans,
I
I
I
very
much
agree
with
what
mr
manconi
mentioned
in
terms
of
being
able
to
move
forward.
I
think,
throughout
this
project,
since
the
beginning,
we've
really
worked
hand
in
hand
with
the
city
staff
in
ottawa.
It's
been
a
very
good
collaboration
and
we
rely
as
well
on
their
expertise
and
and
recommendation
on
when
and
how
to
come.
P
Back
to
you,
mr
manconi
rightfully
said
that
we
still
have
many
steps
to
go
through,
but
I
think,
and-
and
I
would
I
would
let
the
the
mayor
obviously
address
that
question,
but
in
terms
of
securing
funding
and
knowing
what
we
can
advance,
it
will
really
allow
us
to
make
the
next
step
so
approving
this.
This
report
will
will
help
us,
you
know,
take
on
the
the
future
steps
and
that,
on
this
important
project,.
F
F
What
it
needs
is
a
great
level
of
commitment
and
engagement
from
all
partners
so
that
we
can
move
forward
as
quickly
as
possible,
because
I
think
it's
vital
to
improve
our
transit
system,
but
we
at
the
same
time
we
have
to
be
as
careful
as
possible
in
our
approach.
Ms
dean's,
your
concerns
are
shared
by
us.
F
So
we're
taking
those
concerns
into
account
and
we
have
to
take
them
into
account
because
at
each
stage
our
partners,
our
ottawa
partners,
are
saying
no
stop
wait
a
minute.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
it
meets
the
needs
of
our
residents,
as
mr
marconi
has
just
said,
of
course.
So
we
need
your
agreement
this
morning,
so
we
can
move
forward
but
you're
not
giving
us
a
blank
check.
F
It's
not
carter
blanche,
because
u.s
partners
use
it
on
all
committees
to
make
sure
that
we're
working
together
and
moving
forward
in
unison
forgot
to
know
it's
in
our
interest
to
take
your
concerns
into
account,
because
we
don't
want
to
find
ourselves
in
a
situation
where
there's
a
a
breakdown
between
two
cities,
because
we
fail
to
meet
your
concerns
or
deal
with
your
concerns.
That's
the
only
guarantee
that
I
can
give
you
we're
working
together
quickly
and
carefully.
F
Both
cities
and
both
mayors
are
involved
in
each
stage,
and
I
really
appreciate
your
willingness
to
try
and
come
up
with
solutions.
The
discussions
are
always
complex.
Of
course,
you
know
you're
dealing
with
the
federal
government
with
pspc,
for
example,
they're
showing
great
cooperation
with
us
as
well.
That's
great,
and
this
is
the
way
it
will
continue
to
be
now
people.
I've
talked
about
this
being
an
sto
project,
but
it's
a
it's
a
project
for
all
of
us.
F
To
be
honest
with
you,
I'm
very
surprised
that
we're
so
far
advanced
in
this
project,
because
it's
been
a
very,
very
tough
project,
but
the
goodwill
on
all
sides
has
allowed
us
to
make
the
progress.
We've
already
made.
We've
taken
note
of
all
your
comments
this
morning
and
I'm
sure
the
ottawa
staff
has
done
the
same
thing
and
I'm
sure
we'll
be
able
to
meet
your
concerns
going
forward.
Thank
you.
N
B
J
J
There
will
be
multiple
check
backs
to
committee
on
that,
and
what
I
was
suggesting
to
your
question
is
that
if
you
want
staff
to
report
back
on
all
those
technical
things
we
can,
we
can
absolutely
do
that.
There
is
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
to
make
sure
that
we're
congruent
with
all
the
questions
that
you've
raised
today,
and
I
think
the
mayor
on
the
gatineau
side
was
confirming
and
aligned
to
to
your
concerns
and
acknowledging
that
they're.
They
don't
get
green
light
to
do
whatever
they
like
on
that
corridor.
J
B
J
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much
council
deans,
I'm
looking
on
the
board.
I
don't
see
any
further
questions.
I
do
have
a
question
for
our
mayor
of
gatineau.
Mr
mayor.
I
think
it's
been
a
public
record
that
yourself
and
our
mayor
mayor,
jim
watson,
have
been
pretty
public
that
they
see.
Funding
for
transportation
electrified,
especially,
is
a
priority
over
the
construction
of
a
bridge.
Would
that
be
correct?.
L
F
Traffic
traffic
is
a
major
issue
if
we
build
a
bridge
well
to
my
mind.
Instead
of
being
stuck
on
the
50
you'll
be
stuck
on
a
bridge
in
your
car,
we
have
to
look
at
transportation
in
a
holistic
fashion.
That's
what
the
ncc
is
doing.
They're
undertaking
analysis
for
transportation
issues,
including
trucks,
I
think,
including
active
transportation,
and
after
that,
after
that's
done,
we'll,
be
able
to
actually
see
whether
we
need
to
build
a
new
bridge
or
not,
but
in
the
short
term
the
major
issue
for
us.
F
There
can't
be
a
bus
based
system,
it
has
to
be
a
tramway
system.
If
we
don't
do
that
where
the
the
situation
is
going
to
get
steadily
worse
year
over
year.
So
our
that's
our
priority.
It's
a
priority,
the
major
priority.
The
major
priority
for
us
has
to
be
improving
public
transit
in
the
west
of
gatineau,
and
while
I
have
the
floor,
I'd
like
to
say
that
the
loop
is
not
in
contradiction
with
this
project.
F
I
think
I
see
this
more
like
a
phase,
one
phase,
two,
we
have
to
deal
with
the
immediate
issue
and
then
we
can
look
at
a
future
loop
which
doesn't
only
concern
both
downtowns
on
either
side
of
the
river.
Because
on
the
in
eastern
gatineau,
we've
built
the
rapid
bus
system,
the
rails
are
are
under
the
bus
route.
So
what
we'll
be
able
to
do
is
to
replace
those
buses
with
with
tramways.
So
that's
our
vision
for
the
future,
where,
on
both
sides
of
the
river,
we'll
have
our
tramway
system.
F
We
support
that
integrated
system,
but
first
of
all
we
have
to
fund
the
immediate
issues,
the
current
project
that
we
presented
to
you
today
and
then
we
have
to
perhaps
design
in
such
a
way
that
a
future
loop
is
possible.
My
only
concern
with
the
with
the
loop-
and
this
has
been
repeated
several
times-
I
don't
want
it
to
compromise
the
ability
of
the
partners
to
actually
make
a
very
prompt
decision
on
the
project
we
put
forward
today.
That's
my
major
concern
because
people
in
ottawa
are
in
gatineau
see
this
as
a
priority.
F
A
Great
mercia-
and
I
I
concur
with
that
look.
We
have
a
few
motions
in
front
of
us
today
and
just
as
way
of
giving
a
bit
of
a
wrap
up
in
in
alan's
motion.
I
think
you
know
it
really
highlights
where
some
of
those
priorities
do
lie.
Our
mayors
have
been
very
public
about
it.
Look
our
transportation
master
plan
is
on
pause
because
the
world
is
changing
and
the
one
thing
that
I
think
is
is
pretty
well
known.
A
A
Kovit
has
changed
the
world
of
those
traffic
patterns
and,
as
somebody
that's
worked
on
this
bridge
file,
even
before
I
got
to
office
13
years
playing
with
this
file
with
my
eastern
colleagues
and
even
though
kettle's
been
selected
three
times
we're
back
at
this
update
again
and
apparently
through
well
thanks
to
cbc
and
their
discovery.
Kettle
was
selected
a
fourth
time
in
some
report
as
well,
while
they're
busy
doing
their
studies
and
traffic
patterns
have
changed.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
go
ahead
with
this
project,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
councillor
hubley.
G
A
A
A
A
I
D
L
A
B
A
A
I
So
just
so
everyone's
clear
what
was
added
is
one,
whereas
which
it
says
the.
Whereas
the
loop
is
a
vision
of
ottawa,
gatineau,
transit,
loops
served
by
buses
and
trains
which
would
provide
convenient
daily
transportation
between
two
cities
and
can
transform
wellington
street
and
from
apartment
buildings
into
a
pedestrian
mall
and
then
adding
to
the
be
it
further
resolve
the
following
here.
I
Be
it
further
resolved
that
the
study
confirmed
that
if
either
project
is
determined
to
be
feasible
and
approved
by
the
city
of
ottawa
council
that
the
cost
of
any
further
studies,
including
design,
construction
operations
and
maintenance
of
the
potential
upload
of
wellington
street
to
the
federal
government,
be
borne
by
the
federal
government
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
city
of
ottawa
federal
funding
priorities
for
the
city
of
ottawa
continue
to
be
funding
for
for
stage
three,
which
I
think
I
had
in
my
motion.
I
think
this
one
has
moved
the
last
one.
L
L
A
A
I
E
A
B
Mr
chair,
if
it
would
assist
stuff,
can
put
the
motion
back
on
the
screen.
I
believe
that
the
we
might
do
some
cleanup
to,
which
is
a
be
it
resolve
in
which
is
there,
be
it
further
resolved,
but
my
understanding
is
counselor.
Fleury's
original
resolutions
are
there
and
are
preceded
by
the
new
resolutions
that
were
proposed
by
staff.
So.
L
I
A
Good,
thank
you,
and
thanks
for
that-
and
you
know
this
is
always
a
challenge
when
we're
doing
this,
this
last
minute
kind
of
pokery
pokery,
but
this
is
version
six
and
a
half
b
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
so
on
that
motion
is
this.
Is
this
motion
carry
thank
you
and
I'll?
Just
go
back
to
the
list
and
on
the
main
report
is
that
received.
A
A
D
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
chair.
So
I've
read
through
the
rules
of
procedure
motion
already,
whereas
elgin
street
is
heavily
used
by
motorized
vehicles
and
cyclists
and
whereas
a
cyclist
was
hit
and
injured
by
a
truck
on
elgin
street
in
june
2020
as
the
2020,
the
2024
road
safety
action
plan
calls
for
integrated,
comprehensive
and
proactive
strategy
for
making
our
roads
safer
for
all
users
and
for
continuing
to
advance
towards
zero
fatal
and
serious
injury
collisions.
D
Whereas
transportation
services
would
like
to
pilot
the
use
of
quick,
curb
a
continuous
rubber,
curbing
lane
separator
system
with
plastic,
ballers
or
markers,
which
would
be
supplied
by
qmb
barrier
and
can
be
re
deployed
elsewhere
when
traffic
volumes
are
backed
to
pre-code
volumes,
whereas
the
estimated
cost
to
install
such
a
system
on
elgin
street
between
argyll
avenue
and
isabella
street
is
78
000
and
10
000
for
winter
maintenance
for
the
2020-2021
winter
season,
and
whereas
the
elgin
street
renewal
project
has
funds
available
to
fund.
This
initiative
therefore
be
resolved.
D
That
transportation
committee
recommend
council
approve
that
a
temporary
semi-permanent
bike
lane
be
constructed
on
I'll.
Go
to
my
oh
there
we
go
the
east
side
of
elgin
street,
between
argyll
avenue
and
isabella
street
and
on
the
west
side
of
elgin
street,
between
35
meters,
north
of
catherine
street
and
isabella
street.
D
N
N
Four
lanes
and
we've
seen
traffic
speed
through
here
and
quite
a
catastrophic
accident
that
occurred
very
shortly
after
the
the
street
was
opened
up
where
a
young
woman
was
catastrophically
injured
at
that
intersection.
So
just
to
allow
for
the
calming
continuation
of
the
calming
of
elgin
in
that
area.
N
To
be
able
to,
you
know,
link
people
who
are
cycling
onto
you,
know
main
street
hawthorne
and
and
give
people
that
safety.
It
worked
well
as
a
as
a
really
temporary
pilot
this
past
summer,
and
I
really
want
to
thank
staff
for
for
working
with
us
staff
in
transportation
planning
to
look
at
this
cool
little
pilot
project.
Where
you
know
the
rubber
curbs
will
be
dropped
from
from
a
truck.
N
It
will
be
a
first
in
ottawa
and,
I
think,
a
pretty
exciting
kind
of
temporary
but
more
permanent
temporary.
If
you
will
lane
and
and
also
staff
in
planning
infrastructure,
economic
development,
for
you
know,
helping
us
secure
the
funding
out
of
the
elgin
street
project.
The
elegant
street
project
was
probably
one
of
our
best
managed
projects
in
this
city.
N
It
was
always
on
time,
actually
was
always
a
few
weeks
ahead
of
time
and
as
a
result,
there
were
some
savings
and
they
were
able
to
identify
some
savings
for
this
for
this
pilot,
so
it
works
well
can
be
used
in
everyone's
ward.
At
some
point,
it's
an
inexpensive
way
to
really
provide
very
safe
transit
for
for
people
who
cycle.
So
thank
you.
A
A
I
A
J
A
M
A
A
N
Yeah
thanks
thanks
jen,
pretty
straightforward
booth
street
between
albert
street
and
somerset
street
is
a
narrow,
four
block
stretch
with
residences
on
both
sides
for
the
entire
length.
Unfortunately,
in
addition
to
the
high
volume
of
traffic
it
carries
every
day,
especially
during
peak
periods,
booth
street
is
being
used
by
a
tremendous
volume
of
heavy
trucks
moving
from
highway
417
to
the
interprovincial
construction
projects,
how
the
heavy
trucks
are
not
allowed
on
blue
street,
but
signage
and
police
enforcement
are
not
discouraging
them.
N
Recent
testing,
by
expotec
of
the
effects
of
this
illegal
truck
traffic
on
homes,
close
to
a
speed
hump
that
was
done
on
behalf
of
the
city,
found
that
a
total
of
289
vibration
events
above
the
city
of
ottawa,
ppv
threshold
of
0.5
mm
per
second,
were
recorded
by
the
sensor
located
in
the
second
story
bedroom
during
the
27
hour
monetary
period.
These
are
well
above
the
city's
limit
for
nuisance
vibrations.
N
N
Could
staff
please
advise
on
the
following
first:
what
measures
can
be
implemented
to
reduce
and
eliminate
illegal
truck
traffic
on
the
street,
including
changing
the
geometry
of
the
approach
to
booth
and
somerset
at
albert,
at
booth
and
somerset,
and
at
albert
and
second,
what
medium
and
long-term
options
can
staff
recommend
that
would
mitigate
vibrations
to
nearby
homes
while
continuing
to
calm
traffic
on
booth
street?
Thank
you.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
that
inquire
is
now
put
in.
I
don't
see
anything
on
other
business.
We
have
adjournment
and
the
next
meeting
is
november.
16Th
no
wait
november.
16Th
2020.!
Well,
that's
today,
kelly!
What's
the
next
meeting
december
2nd
there
we
go
wonderful!
Thank
you
very
much.
Everybody
meeting
adjourned.