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From YouTube: PSF TC Meeting 8.4.21
Description
Technical Steering Committee Meeting for Aug 4, 2021
B
A
In
the
comments,
that's
watching
make
sure
the
audio
is
okay,
I'm
gonna
check
it
on
my
phone
and
we'll
go
from
there.
So
take
it
away.
Chris.
C
Right
on
yeah,
it
looks
like
things
are
happening
on
the
youtube
channel,
so
I'm
just
gonna,
I'm
just
gonna
run
with
it.
Welcome
everybody
today
is
wednesday
august
4th
2021.
C
This
is
the
permissionless
software
foundation,
technical
steering
committee
meeting,
which
we
have
every
couple
weeks.
My
name
is
chris
troutner.
I
am
one
of
the
founders
of
the
permissionless
software
foundation.
A
C
And
yeah
stoian:
do
you
want
to
give
a
brief
introduction.
A
Go
ahead,
aaron
all
right!
My
name
is
aaron
shoemaker,
I'm
helping
to
put
together
the
certification
program
for
the
psf
so
that
we
can
move
people
from
a
limited
understanding
to
a
very
complex
understanding
of
how
all
this
stuff
works
with
the
blockchain.
C
Yeah
right
on
right
on
so
these
technical
steering
committees
we're
not
really
big
enough
yet
to
have
it's
modeled
after
other
technical
steering,
committees
like
the
node.js
foundation
and
protocol
labs
has
and
filecoin
has
a
similar
governance
structure,
but
we're
not
quite
big
enough
to
like
spin
off
dedicated
work
groups,
and
so
these
meetings
are
really
a
chance
for
us
to
just
celebrate
the
technical
achievements
that
we've
had
over
the
last
couple
weeks
and
then
so
we'll
go
through
an
agenda
of
those
and
then
and
then
we'll
just
open
it
up
to
a
roundtable
discussion.
C
C
And
so
for
people
who
want
to
see
this
agenda
after
now
or
in
the
future,
we
file
all
of
our
agendas
on
github
under
the
permissionless
software
foundation
group
and
then
the
tsc
repository
for
technical
steering
committee
and
you'll
go
to
the
issues
tab.
Then
we
file
them
as
issues,
and
so
this
is
issue
number
14
today's
date
and
we'll
also
put
a
link
to
the
youtube
reporting
in
here.
C
So
we've
gotten
into
a
pattern
the
last
few
weeks,
where
we're
going
to
discuss
the
psf
core
software,
which
is
our
rest,
api,
javascript
library
and
then
the
front-end
web
wallet
and
then
and
then
we'll
start
talking
about
other
sort
of
bigger
initiatives
like
the
json
rpc
and
the
pay
to
write
database
and
then
and
then
cover
any
sort
of
miscellaneous
topics
after
that
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
sort
of
a
roundtable
discussion.
C
So
let
me
just
go
through
here
and
you
guys
feel
free
to
interrupt
me
at
any
time.
That's
the
advantage
of
joining
the
zoom
call,
but
yeah
I'll
just
try
and
go
through
some
of
these
updates
right
now.
We've
got
myself
and
daniel
and
gary
are
two
javascript
developers
that
that
are
sort
of
paid
through
some
of
these
psf
budgets
to
do
a
lot
of
work
on
the
core
software
and
some
of
our
initiatives
they're
both
in
venezuela.
So
it's
great
to
be
able
to
support
developers
in
venezuela.
C
Daniel's
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
on
this
core
software,
so
this
ipfs
bch
wallet
service
is
a
way
to
give
access
to
the
bitcoin
cash
blockchain
over
ipfs
over
the
ipfs
network
and
and
the
reason
we
want
to
pipe
it
over.
The
ipfs
network
is
it's
highly
censorship,
resistant
and
so
just
to
give
a
an
idea
of
sort
of
what
what
this
is.
C
Chatbot.Fullstack.Cache
is
a
developer
tool
that
we
built
and
when
you
bring
it
up
what
it
does
is
it
spins
up
an
ipfs
node
in
the
web
browser
and
then
it
reaches
out
to
find
other
computers
in
in
in
a
sort
of
sub
network,
and
so
you
can
see
the
list
of
the
computers
here
and
so
there's
a
few
of
these
bch
wallet
service.
C
Demo,
bch
wallet
service
dsl,
it
looks
like
two
of
them
are
up,
but
this
is
the
idea
is
being
able
to
provide
redundant
access
to
the
blockchain,
so
we're
I'm
going
to
get
to
this
in
a
minute,
we're
also
working
on
a
wallet
that
would
then
connect
to
these
services
and
so
by
by
being
able
to
provide
redundant
censorship,
resistant
access
to
the
blockchain.
C
Anyone
running
a
wallet
software
or
an
app
that
interacts
with
the
blockchain.
It
just
has
to
find
one
of
any
of
these
service
providers
that
it
can
then
begin
consuming
those
services,
and
so
the
idea
here
is
to
make
access
to
the
blockchain
robust
and
censorship
resistant
and
have
like
many
service
providers,
and
then
consumers
can
just
find
and
select
one
of
many
service
providers.
C
So
the
the
service
provider
is
called
ipfs
bch
wallet
service,
and
this
is
a
link
to
the
code
repository
if
anybody
wants
to
check
it
out.
There's
also
an
introduction
video
for
this
service
at
that
repository,
so
we've
got
this
deployed
on.
I
saw
two
in
that
list.
I
thought
there
was
a
third
one
somewhere,
so
we're
already
setting
up
redundant
versions
and
anyone
can
set
up
their
own
copy
of
this
and
and
essentially
what
do
they
call
that
re
resell
resell
act.
C
C
But
that's
the
idea
is
someone
in
america
with
a
good
internet
connection
to
the
blockchain
can
then
offer
those
services
to
anyone
else
in
the
world
over
the
censorship
resistant
ipfs
network,
and
so
that
that
way
we
can
all
collaborate
to
make
a
robust
connection
to
the
blockchains
and
we're
going
to
do
the
same
thing
with
the
avalanche,
blockchain
and
the
ecash
blockchain.
C
You
know
once
once
this
code
reaches
a
level
of
maturity
and
so
to
mirror
image
that
service
provider.
There's
the
bch,
psf
bch
wallet
that
I'm
working
on
right
now,
and
so
that's
the
that's
like
a
consumer.
So
it's
a
it's
a
command
line
wallet
and
I'm
porting
a
lot
of.
We
have
the
this
slp
cly
wallet
and
the
stoian's
worked
on
it
and
I've
worked
on
it
heavily.
It's
sort
of
our
go-to.
It's
like
a
hacker
friendly
command
line.
C
While
it
lets
you
rapidly
prototype
ideas,
and
so
I'm
porting
a
lot
of
that
code
into
this
psf
bch
wallet,
but
we're
maintaining
100
code
coverage
as
as
we
as
we
do
that
and
and
it
it
will
primarily
work
over
ipfs
or
actually
I
don't
right
now.
I
don't
even
have
it
working
so
it
can
go
over
the
normal
rest
api
over
http,
so
this
slp
cly
wallet
will
will
remain
as
our
sort
of
sandbox
or
playground.
C
It'll
be
like
a
really
good
place
where
people
can
prototype
ideas
submit
a
pr
if
they
want
to
come
up
with
some
good
idea
to
get
in
there.
The
requirements
will
be
much
lower.
We
won't
really
worry
too
much
about
code
coverage,
but
then
the
psf
bch
wallet
will
be
a
higher
quality
100.
C
C
We
have
a
bunch
of
command
line,
apps
sort
of
in
the
in
the
repository,
and
the
other
thing
I
want
to
do
with
this
is
roll
a
lot
of
that
functionality
in
there
so
being
able
to
send
end
in
encrypted
messages,
send
and
receive
being
able
to
upload
files
to
ipfs
to
get
them
hosted
and
then
pay
for
that
hosting.
A
So
this
is
the
slp.
The
sap
cloud
wallet
is
a
great
wallet
and
for
those
who
are
in
the
telegram
chat,
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
people
that
have
saying
how
can
I
learn?
What
can
I
do?
You
know,
and
this
is
a
great
place
to
start
download
the
slp
cloud
wallet
start
playing
around
you
don't
have
to
do
too
much.
You
can
open
it
up
in
visual
studio
code
and
switch
a
few
things
around,
and
chris
has
some
great
videos
on
that.
A
That's
how
I
actually
first
got
it
started.
He's
got
videos
on
how
to
create
tokens
and
how
to
create
nfts
and
how
to
send
transactions
play
around.
Do
those
sort
of
things
and
get
used
to
it
and
it
kind
of
sounds
like
you're
wanting
the
slp
clyde
wallet
repository
to
be
more
of
a
sandbox
for
incomers,
and
this
psf
bch
wallet
to
be
more.
The
the
pristine
gold
standard
is
that
kind
of
what
I'm
hearing.
A
Now
yeah
so,
and
that's
that's
great,
and
I
I
think
this
leads
to
the
fact
that
wallets
are
going
to
become
more,
you
have
more
utility
in
the
future
the
and
encrypted
messaging.
Now
your
wallet
app
is
a
messaging
app.
You
know,
whereas
before
we
were
saying
how
can
we
send
cryptocurrency
over
our
messaging
app
now
it's
saying
how
can
we
send
messages
from
our
cryptocurrency
wallet?
And
I
this
is
something
we've
talked
about,
and
we
can
talk
about
later
and
I'll.
Give
you
the
floor
back.
A
Is
that
wallets,
I
think,
are
going
to
become
more,
have
more
utility
as
media
players
as
the
art
they
display
art,
as
we've
talked
with
the
nfts
stuff,
like
that,
I
did
just
want
to
say
to
those
in
the
telegram.
Those
in
the
psf
community
check
out
the
clyde
wallet.
It
is
not
as
challenging
as
you
think.
I
think
that
a
lot
of
people
go.
Oh,
it's
command
line,
I'm
scared!
Well,
maybe
you're
not
saying
you're
scared,
but
you
we
get
intimidated
by
command
line.
A
I
do
it's
not
that
difficult
and
chris
has
some
great
videos
on
his
youtube
channel
on
how
to
use
the
clyw
wallet
and
to
create
tokens,
send
transactions,
and
you
don't
even
have
to
send
them
to
anybody.
You
could
create
a
secondary
wallet
and
send
them
from
one
wall
to
the
other
and
then
just
use
the
command
line
to
check
so
alright
I'll.
Let
you
get
I'll
give
it
back
to
you.
Chris.
B
Okay,
can
I
have
also
some
some
words.
I
have
questions
and
some
thoughts.
First
about
the
the
first
ipfs
bch
wall
service,
wallet,
service.
A
C
Yeah
good
question
story:
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
both
the
answers,
both
or
or
either
or
really
so,
in
order
to
deploy
it,
it's
just
a
docker
container
in
the
readme
it
talks
about
how
to
how
to
deploy
the
production
docker
container.
So
it's
simply
a
matter
of
running
a
couple
commands
to
build
a
docker
container
and
deploy
it,
and
the
only
thing
that
you
need
is
like
a
full
stack.cache
account
which
would
let
you
resell
that
access.
C
However,
you
know
that's
that's
not
very
robust,
because
full
stack
dot
cash
becomes
the
bottleneck
there.
So
the
idea
is
if
this,
if
this
tech
catches
on
and
we
are
able
to
develop
a
market,
a
robust
marketplace
of
people
selling
these
services,
it
would
be
better
for
people
to
set
up
their
own
cash
stack
and
not
leverage
fullstack.cash,
so
that
so
that
these
services-
actually
are
you
know,
self-contained
and
and
redundant,
but
but
either
either
system
works.
C
You
know
I
wanted
to
make
it
easy
for
people
to
launch
their
own
system,
so
they
can
just
sign
up
for
a
full
stack,
dot,
cash
account
and
hopefully
recoup
some
of
that
monthly
cost
by
by
sort
of
reselling
it
through
one
of
these
one
of
these
service
providers.
A
So
what
you're
saying
is,
if
you
set
up
your
own
node,
which
you
have
docker
containers
of
on
fullstack.cache,
and
then
you
could
run
this
yourself
and
not
have
to
go
through
fullstack.cache.
A
C
Yeah
and
and
that's
the
thing
is
so
in
order
from
for
me
to
run
fullstack.cache,
I
I
have
to
pay
professional
cloud
services,
so
hundreds
of
dollars
a
month
go
into
maintaining
that
infrastructure
and
it's
also
a
very
convenient
way
for
the
government
to
to
if
they,
if
they
wanted
to
discourage
people
from
using
blockchain
services
and
using
the
blockchain,
it
would
be
really
easy
for
them
to
pass
a
law
or
go
after
one
way
or
the
other
people
like
fullstack.cache,
offering
rest
api
services.
C
That's
that's
clearly
an
attack
vector,
but
if
people
it's
much
cheaper,
even
even
without
that
regulatory
threat,
even
with
everything
being
the
way,
it
is
right
now
in
a
perfectly
free
market.
It's
still
much
much
cheaper,
for
people
to
you
know
say,
spend
three
or
four
hundred
dollars
on
a
desktop
which
can
run
the
entire
cash
stack
and
and
provide
one
of
these
services
and
because
it's
over
ipfs
all
the
networking
goes
away.
They
don't
have
to
worry
about
port
forwarding
or
registering
a
domain
name
or
getting
an
ssl
certificate.
A
So
would
it
is
it
possible
to
use
an
older
computer
to
run
the
docker
container?
I
mean
I've
got
like
a
2008
mac
pro
sitting
beside
my
desk,
that
I'm
not
use
it
for
anything,
be
great
to
be
able
to
fire
this
up
and
run
a
note
off
of
that.
C
Yeah,
definitely
when
you
start
getting
into
the
component
parts
of
the
you
know,
so
reselling
access
to
full
stack
dot
cash
is
going
to
be
the
easiest
with
the
lowest
amount
of
requirements.
But
if
you
want
to
run
a
whole,
a
whole
cash
stack,
and
let
me
just
to
remind
people
what
I'm
talking
about
with
that.
If
you
go
to
full
stack,
dot
cash,
slash
cash,
strap,
which
is
a
play
on
the
word
bootstrap.
C
This
is
what
lets
you
bootstrap.
The
cash
stack,
and
these
are
all
the
the
docker
containers
and
pre-synced
databases
that
you
need,
and
so
the
cache
stack,
which
is
illustrated
at
fullstack.cache.
C
Is
composed
of
a
full
node,
some
indexers
and
then
the
rest
api,
and
in
this
case
you
actually
don't
even
need.
I
think
you
still
need
to
run
the
rest
api,
but
these
are
all
available
in
docker
containers,
and
so
this
is
what
you
would
run
on
an
old
desktop
and
the
full
node
requires
about
you.
The
processing
power
is
not
a
significant
factor
when
you're
running
at
home,
hard
drive
space
is
really
cheap.
You
can
get
like
a
usb
hard
drive,
the
especially
if
you're.
C
If
you
start
with
one
of
these
pre-sync
databases
and
you're,
not
syncing
from
genesis,
the
performance
of
the
hard
drive
is
not
critical.
It's
usually
memory,
it's
the
bottleneck,
and
so
a
full
node
takes
about
two
gigabytes
of
ram
and
electromax
also
takes
about
two
to
four
gigabytes
of
ram
and
then
slpdb.
C
That's
that's
really
the
bottleneck
that
that
can
require
up
to
32
gigabytes
of
ram
yeah
yeah.
This
is,
this
is
one
of
the
problems
with
slpdb
and,
and
so
that
would
be
one
problem
with
running
it
on
on
older
hardware,
but
it's
possible
to
run
a
white
label
version
of
slpdb
or
a
white
list,
a
white
list
version
of
slp.
A
C
C
A
As
whitelisting
one
good,
like
example
this,
if,
if
I'm
to
run
a
whitelisted
slp
db,
I
might
go
around
to
local
businesses
and
help
them
to
generate
tokens
for
their
services
and
they're
the
tokens
I
whitelist.
So
I'm
the
guy-
and
maybe
I
get
a
few
other
people
in
my
city
that
run
this
white
listed
database,
and
so
the
businesses
start
using
the
tokens.
We're
not
really
concerned
with
all
the
tokens
in
existence.
We're
just
concerned
with
the
tokens
within
our
community
that
help
our
economy
to
run.
C
Yeah,
you
nailed
something.
I
would
love
to
help
other
psf
community
members
set
up
a
service
like
that,
where
you
could,
you
could
generate
the
token
for
them,
upload
the
artwork
and
add
the
token
to
the
slpdb
white
list
and
then
possibly
even
set
up
a
post
office.
Those
are
all
really
valuable
things
that
any
developer
could
do
and
if
they,
if
they
leverage
the
sort
of
white
list
slpdb
the
hardware
requirements
are
not
significant
and
and
it's
really
valuable
services.
C
A
A
Yeah
well,
as
you
get
older,
or
maybe
it's
just
a
you
know,
quantum
thing
who
knows
they
turned
on
cern,
so
it's
just
all
spiraling
from
here
all
right.
Let's
I
we
ready
to
move
on
to
the
next
one.
A
B
Okay,
so
my
next
question
is
about
the
pcf
bch
wallet
so
now
the
name
was
a
little
misleading.
C
So
it's
it's
still
very
much
in
flux,
but
yeah,
there's
a
there's,
a
daemon
command
and
so
the
way
it
the
way
it
differs
from
slp
wallet
is
that
you,
you
would
run
like
the
daemon
command
in
one
window
and
that's
what
spins
up
an
ipfs
node
and
then
connects
to
all
those
other
nodes
I
showed
in
the
other
window
and
and
so
that
establishes
a
connection
with
with
a
wallet
service
and
and
then
and
then
you
can
run
the
other
commands
which
are
pretty
much
just
ported
over
from
slp
flywallet,
but
it
all
the
it
basically
what
it
does
is
it
creates
that
daemon
creates
a
ipfs,
full
node,
and
then
it
has
a
rest
api
with
one
endpoint
and
that's
what
the
rest
of
the
wallet
commands
will
interact
with
is
they'll
call
that
local
rest
api
call,
which
will
then
push
a
json
rpc
command
out
to
ipfs
out
to
the
out
to
the
wallet
service,
okay,
and
so
that's
fundamentally,
nuts
and
bolts
talking
about
nuts
and
bolts.
C
Fundamentally,
that's
the
difference.
That's
that's
the
difference
between
the
two,
the
two
applications,
whereas
slp
cly
wallet
just
uses
the
rest
api
and
reaches
out
to
the
full
stack,
dot
cash
service
and-
and
you
could,
if
someone
set
up
a
similar
service,
you
could
you
could
have
it
reach
out
to
a
different
service,
but
whereas
bch
or
psf
bch
wallet
will
use
the
the
json
rpc
over
ipfs
and
we're
also
like
the
thing
I
want
to
do
with
it
is-
is
really.
C
Consolidate,
that's
the
word,
I'm
looking
for
consolidate
all
the
various
services
that
that
we've
built
over
the
last
year
or
two
into
this
one
thing
so
not
just
bth
and
slp
tokens,
but
creating
nfts
uploading
files
to
ipfs
being
able
to
check.
If
someone
sent
you
an
encrypted
message
being
able
to
send
encrypted
messages,
so
make
it
more
of
a
full,
a
full
suite
of
commands.
C
So
right
now,
I
just
have
a
few
wallet
commands
in
there
for
like
creating
a
wallet
deleting
a
wallet
and
updating
a
wallet
and
they're
prefixed
with
a
it'll,
be
like
wallet,
dash,
create
or
wallet
dash
list
or
wallet
dash
update,
and
so
what
I'm
envisioning
is
having
more
commands
like
message.send
or
message.send
message.
C
You
know
check
for
to
check
for
new
messages
and
then
like
ipfs,
upload
ipfs
for
ipfs,
upload
and
download.
You
know
things
things
like
that,
like
sort
of
have
a
list
of
clearly
defined
commands
that
have
like
just
just
roll,
we
have
all
this
code
sort
of
in
all
these
other
repositories.
I'd
really
like
to
consolidate
them
into
this.
This
one
command
line
app-
and
this
is
this-
is
mirroring
the
inspiration
for
this
is
coming
from
protocol
labs
and
ipfs
and
avalanche.
C
They
all
are
taking
this
approach
where
their
their
reference
implementation
is
a
command
line
app
and
then
anything
they
do
like
alternative
programming
languages
or
graphical
user
interfaces.
Those
are
all
like
secondary
implementations
and
so
by
doing
that,
because
the
command
line
app
is
just
one
step
removed
from
your
core
code.
It's
it's
very
easy
like
if
that
breaks,
then
you
know
there's
something
wrong
with
your
core
code
or
your
reference
implementation,
and
that
needs
to
be
prioritized.
C
But
if
that's
all,
working
great
and
someone's
having
a
problem
with
one
of
these
secondary
implementations,
it
provides
a
sort
of
clear
line
for
for
debugging.
Any
given
problem
is,
is
the
problem
in
our
in
our
reference
implementation,
or
is
the
problem
outside
of
our
reference
implementation?
So
it
just
makes
collaboration
easier
and
it.
It
helps
separate
concerns
and
and
therefore
improve,
like
maintenance
and
quality
control
team.
Smart.
C
All
right,
well
yeah
I'll,
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
rest
of
the
agenda
here.
So
yeah,
we've
already
kind
of
been
breaking
into
this
json
rpc
over
ipfs
and
the
pay
to
write
database.
It's
starting
to
become
like
really
obvious
how
this
is
starting
to
integrate
into
our
core
software.
C
We
daniel
and
I,
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks
we
completed
a
major
refactor
to
the
ipfs
pay
to
write
database
service.
So
this
is
another
service
that's
offered
over
this
ipfs
network.
So
I
think
we've
got
this
one
pdx,
because
that's
a
computer
in
portland
pay
to
write
database
decatur!
That's
here
on
the
island
with
me
and
paid
write
service
demo.
That's
that's
in
the
cloud
on
a
cloud
computer
somewhere,
and
so
we've
got
three
instances.
Three
different
nodes
of
this
pay
to
write
database
and
so
they're.
C
It's
a
database
with
blockchain-like
properties.
So
each
one
of
these
nodes
is
a
redundant
copy
of
of
the
database
and
whenever
someone
submits
a
piece
of
data
to
the
database,
they're
all
going
to
work
together
to
update
their
own
internal
state,
but
they
each
maintain
their
own
copy
of
the
database
and
and
they
agree
using
consensus,
rules
and
crdts.
C
C
It
doesn't
matter
because
each
node
lives
independent
and
maintains
its
own
independent
copy
of
the
database
and
as
we
provide
more
valuable
services
like
tor
list,
which
I'm
going
to
get
to
in
a
minute
those
will
each.
You
know
we
just
the
more
nodes
we
have
on
the
on
the
internet
having
independently
replicated
copies
of
the
database,
the
more
censorship
resistant
it
becomes
and
and
that's
one
of
the
main
values
of
this
database
like
anyone,
can
create
a
database
and
and
stuff.
C
But
this
becomes
a
common
repository
where
people
can
put
stuff
where
it
will
be
protected
from
censorship
and
it's
a
valuable
service.
So
it's
worth
paying
for
paying
a
transaction
fee
and
and
then
those
transaction
fees
go
to
improve
the
software.
So
you
get
this
closed-loop
virtual
circle.
So
that's
the
whole
idea
behind
the
pay
to
write
database
yeah.
C
Yeah,
so
we've
set
up
an
api
so
for
for
people
who
want
to
immediately
get
started
like
putting
data
in
this
database
start
hacking
with
it.
We've
got
api
documentation,
that's
for
the
service
provider
yeah!
Well,
it's
at
p
pay
to
write.
P2
db,
pay
to
write
database
dash,
docs
dot,
full
stack
dot
cash.
This
has
both
the
json
rpc
and
rest
api
api
documentation.
C
A
C
Yeah
yeah,
so
really
you
can
go
to
either
one
dash.
Docs
are
just
this
the
without
the
dash
docs.
This
is
the
actual
api
rest
that
you
can.
You
can
put
this
and
make
a
rest
api
call
to
this,
and,
and
that
will
let
you
interact
with
the
database
and
so
we'll
we'll
maintain
this
conventional
rest.
C
Api
access,
the
same
way
that
you
would
interact
with
any
other
rest
api
on
the
internet,
but
you
can
also
just
download
the
code
run
the
docker
container,
if
you
want
to
replicate
the
database
locally
on
your
computer
and
by
doing
that
you're
helping
the
rest
of.
Not
only
do
you
get
direct
local
access
to
the
database,
which
is
much
faster
and
independent
of
any
sort
of
internet
issues.
C
So
it's!
This
is
an
interest
like
this
is
one
of
these
things
that,
like
you,
can
go
down
and
have
a
discussion
about
like
databases
with
blockchain-like
properties
versus
blockchains
with
database
like
properties,
you
know
it's,
it's
interesting
trade-offs
between
the
the
two
concepts,
but
this
is
a
database
with
blockchain-like
properties.
A
Well,
it's
it's
not
that
you
can't
have
both.
This
is
the
thing
you
know
we
can.
People
can
often
get
into
trouble
when
they
think
things
have
to
be
one
way
or
the
other
way
and
there's
no
in
between
and
so
there's.
This
is
going
to
be
a
solution
for
certain
things
on
the
market.
That
blockchain
is
not.
We've
talked
for
a
long
time
about
the
data
limitations
of
blockchains.
A
B
You
can
just
you
can
just
call
it
dbs3,
like
web3
everybody's
talking
about
wave
3b
like
blockchain,
so
it
can
be
dv3.
C
Yeah,
that's
an
interesting
idea.
I
know
I've
been
kind
of
playing
with
some
of
those,
so
you
know
yeah
it's
I
very
much
feel
like
this
does
represent
the
like
web
3.0,
but
but
that
coin's
already
kind
of
been
taken
or
that
term's
already
been
taken
to
mean
like
direct
blockchain
access.
So
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
if
people
I
I
like
that
idea
like
we're
going
with
their
story
and
I'm
just
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
everyone's
gonna
like
that
idea,
no.
B
C
A
It's
a
little
hard
when
you're
in
it
like,
and
it's
happening
to
call
it.
You
know
it's
a
lot
easier
to
look
back
and
go.
Oh
yeah.
That
was
the
point
you
know
so,
who
knows
exactly?
We
just
know
that
the
internet
is
developing
and
changing
and
we
are
one
we
are
a
part
of
it.
We
want
to
be
a
part
of
it.
We
want
you
to
be
a
part
of
it.
A
Those
of
you
that
are
listening,
those
that
are
in
the
telegram
channel
lots
of
good
ideas
are
coming
out
there
and
this
pay
to
write
database.
It
solves
a
hole
in
the
market,
it
really
does,
and
but
it's
about
getting
people
to
understand
this.
This
is
a
another
challenge.
I
I
mean
I
work
in
the
360
and
vr
world
and
getting
people
to
understand
how
this
is
relevant
to
them
is
difficult
at
times
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
it
clicks
and
they
go.
Oh,
I
get
it
now.
A
I
understand
how
this
is
this
works
and
it's
the
same
with
any
new
technology.
You're
gonna
have
to
there's
this
understanding
hurdle.
You
have
to
get
over
with
a
lot
of
people
and
so
there's
going
to
be
people
out
there
that
go
well.
Why
should
I
use
this
and,
as
opposed
to
you
know,
cloud
services-
and
this
is
you've-
got
some
answers
already.
You
have
censorship
resistance.
You
have
the
speed
of
the
ipfs
network.
C
I
I've
noticed
an
incredible
performance
increase
since
now
that
I
have
these
redundant
copies
of
the
payroll
database
and
the
vch
wallet
service
running
now
that
I
have
more
nodes
in
the
network
like
before
the
startup
time
was
like
30
seconds
now.
It's
like
three
seconds
like.
A
C
A
And
this
is
the
same
with
the
pay
to
write
database
and
you
know
you're
talking
about
running.
We
were
talking
about
running
nodes
and
whitelisting
slp
databases.
You
could
be
running
a
pay
to
write
database
within
your
town
within
your
community
and
have
several
other
people
that
are
running
redundant
databases
which
are
going
to
make
things
very
fast
for
where
you
are
and
what
you're
using
it
for
and
the
there's
that
term
a
long
long
time
ago.
Think
global
act,
local.
A
You
know
and
that's
that's
kind
of
the
same
thing.
We're
not
saying
we're
going
to
wall
off
everybody
from
the
rest
of
the
world,
but
it
does
make
sense
to
have
certain
things
if
it's
the
economy
in
say
chicago.
It
makes
a
lot
more
sense
to
have
databases
in
chicago
that
deal
with
chicago
businesses
and
they're
stirring
their
stuff
on
there
and
going
going
from
there,
whether
it's
the
information
in
the
pay
to
write
database
or
it's
the
slp
tokens,
which
will
probably
also
leverage
the
pay
to
write
database.
B
C
Yeah
you're
certainly
touching
on
sort
of
the
some
of
the
long-term
goals
that
I'd
like
to
achieve
with
this
paid
right
database,
because
the
fee
to
write
to
the
database
is
paid.
In
a
token,
that
means
that
these
databases
are
natively
work
with
community
currencies,
so
in
in
our
case,
it's
the
psf
token,
because
that's
our
community,
and
so
but
but
this
is
just
code,
so
it
can
be
forked
and
it
can
work
with
any
token.
So
so
I
love
what
you
said
about
think
thinking
globally
acting
locally.
C
If
there's
any
any
community
of
any
kind
anywhere
that
that
that
is
like.
Oh,
you
know,
we
should
have
a
database
in
common.
You
know
you
can.
Obviously
you
can
use
our
pay
to
write
database,
but
if
there's
some
tech
people
in
there
or
like,
like
you,
know,
someone
in
chicago
chicago
business
owners,
if
there's
enough
money
and
and
technical
expertise
available
there,
they
can
certainly
create
their
own
token,
create
their
own
database
find
ways
to
to
have
that
interact
with
the
pay
to
write
database.
C
A
Well,
you
said
something
before
and
you
wrote
that
short
story
about
the
guy
using
a
creating
the
craigslist
like
app.
I
mean
this
is
again
a
perfect
thing
for
something
like
this.
I
I
imagine
I
envision
somebody
can
create
this
app
it'd
be
great,
like
a
foodless
app
where
and
how
I
got
it
was.
I
was
like
I'd
like
some
fresh
farm
eggs.
Don't
know
exactly
where
to
get
them
right
right
at
the
moment.
A
Ladies
who
have
recipes
for
huge
families,
and
they
they
could
make
some
extra
money
by
saying
I'm
gonna
make
lasagna
and
I've
got
five
dinners
and
then
so
you're
going
to
work
and
you're
like
I'll,
take
one
of
those
dinners
and
then
you
would
buy
the
dinner
from
them,
and
so
a
database
like
this
would
be
really
good
because,
like
how
do
you
monetize
something
like
that,
you
know
it's
like
craigslist.
How
does
craigslist
really
monetize
itself
it?
Doesn't?
It
really
keeps
things
super
simple,
and
you
know
it's
not
a
great
looking
website.
A
It's
still
up,
not
a
great
looking
website
so
like
this
could
be
a
great
way
like
okay,
I'm
going
to
pay
to
write
my
post
on
I've
got
fresh
farm
eggs.
It
cost
me
this
token
and
guess
what
people
could
probably
use
that
token
to
buy
the
eggs
you
know
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
that's
just
one
example
where
this
could
be
used.
C
Yeah,
when
talking
to
a
non-technical
audience
about
these
ideas,
the
two,
the
two
big
use
cases
I
think
this
technology
could
apply
for
and
I
hope
to
see
soon-
is
decentralized
craigslist
and
a
decentralized
exchange.
Those
are
those
are
the
two
like
and
there's
a
lot
of
money
in
both
of
those
ideas
and-
and
you
know
so,
if
for
a
non-technical
person
who
doesn't
care
about
the
technology,
they
just
want
to
know
what
can
you
do
with
it?
That's
what
you
can
do
with
it.
We
could.
C
So
there's
one
last
item
here
on
the
on
the
pay
to
write
database.
So
another
thing
I'm
hoping
to
get
started
on
in
the
next
two
weeks
is
a
a
block
explorer.
So
anybody
who's
worked
with
with
blockchains.
C
Most
blockchains
have
have
a
block
explorer
they're,
not
really
considered
like
production
ready
if
they
don't
so
we're
going
to
do
a
similar
thing
for
this
pay
to
write
database
and
that's
probably
what's
actually
going
well,
we'll
probably
do
explorer.
C
Pwp2Wdb.Fullstack.Cache
or
something,
but
what
it'll
do
is
it'll
show
the
just
like
a
blockchain
it'll
show
the
the
latest
like
50
entries.
We
don't
have
blocks.
We
just
have
entries
in
the
database
and
it'll
just
show
like
the
timestamp
of
like
the
last.
You
know
50
entries,
and
then
you
can
click
on
one
and
drill
down
and
see
what
kind
of
data
is
in
there.
C
If
it's
clear
text,
it's
also,
you
know
totally
possible
to
add
encrypted
data
into
the
database
and
which
case
you
know
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
very
much
but
but
yeah,
just
just
allowing
people
to
sort
of
visually
explore
the
the
database
in
real
time.
So
I
think
that
that'll
be
pretty
exciting.
To
have
that
that'll
be
cool
and
a
very
useful
tool
for
other
developers
who
want
to
who
want
to
get
started
on
this.
C
All
right,
well
so
just
to
wrap
up
the
agenda
with
some
of
these
more
miscellaneous
items.
Yeah
we
had
so
we're
working
on
tour
list
and
people
can
see
that
by
going
to
tour
list
dot
cash,
it's
not
functional.
Yet
there's
just
the
visual
elements
there.
It
doesn't
really
do
anything,
but
it
gives
you
an
idea
and
there's
if
you
there
is
this
developer
documentation-
and
I
have
a
link
here
in
the
agenda.
If
you
go
to
tour
the
tour
list
api.
This
is
the
older
repository
that
we
have
archived.
C
There
is
a
link
to
the
developer
documentation.
I
still
need
to
port
that
over
into
the
ipfs
tour
list
service,
which
is
the
new
repository
that
will
replace
it,
but
this
is
leveraging
the
same
technology
as
the
pay
to
write
database.
It's
going
to
it's
going
to
go
over
ipfs
and
one
of
the
the
images
I
wanted
to
point
out
was
was
this
one?
This
is
essentially
how
tor
list
is
going
to
work
where
at
the
top
is
torless.cash
the
actual
web
page.
So
you
would
go
there
and
what
torlist
is?
C
Is
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
list
of
websites
on
the
tor
network,
on
the
ipfs
network
and
on
the
clear
web
and
it's
a
place
where
people
can
advertise
those
websites
and
promote
them
and
and
it
it's
sort
of
community
controlled
where
you
can,
you
can
categorize
them,
and
so,
if
someone
wants
to
find
like
a
decentralized
exchange
or
a
place
to
buy
unpasteurized
milk-
or
you
know
what
whatever
service
that
you
could
offer.
C
I
know
I
I
love
using
that
as
a
as
an
example
but
anyways,
so
this
is
roughly.
C
Oh
yeah,
okay,
but
this
is
how
it
works
in
the
image
here,
where
there's
the
front
end
and
you
you
pay
a
little
bitcoin
cash
to
add
your
entry
for
any
website
that
you
want
to
advertise
to
the
pay
to
write
database
and
then
through
a
web
hook.
The
pay
to
write
database
updates
the
tor
list,
api
database,
which
is
more
like
a
local
version,
and
then
that
updates
the
the
the
web
page
in
the
front.
C
So
this
technology
works
in
it
together
with
the
pay
to
write
database
and-
and
so
those
are,
that's
largely
like
the
the
changes
that
we're
making
right
now.
C
Yeah-
and
this
is
this-
is
really
a
precursor
to
that
decentralized.
Craigslist,
like
tour
list
is
the
technology.
That's
going
into
tour
list
is
exactly
the
type
of
technology
that
would
need
to
be
developed
to
create
a
decentralized
craigslist,
yes,
and
so
you
can
think
of
the
tour
list
as
just
like
a
craigslist.
C
That's
focused
on
advertising
web
pages,
but
you
could
easily
just
just
you
know,
make
it
a
little
more
general
and
then
you'd
have
craigslist
so
yeah
pretty
happy
with
our
progress
there.
It's
going
well
and,
and
then
gary
is
sort
of
our
resident
avalanche,
blockchain
expert,
and
so
as
we
develop
out,
slp
client
wallet
and
psf
bch
wallet.
He
is
he's
been
working
on
avex
cly
wallet,
which
is
up
and
functional.
I've
been
using
it
pretty
heavily
this
week.
It
has
all
the
same
basic
functionality.
C
You
can
create
an
hd
wallet,
you
can
send
objects,
you
can,
you
can
send
tokens
on
the
avalanche
network
and
what
he's
working
on
right
now
is
a
create
token
command.
So
you
can
create
new
tokens
on
the
avalanche
network
and
then
both
of
these
commands
have
a
command.
For
the
token
bridge,
so
you
can,
you
can
send
a
token
between
the
avalanche
and
bitcoin
cash
blockchains.
C
Using
these,
these
two
command
line
wallets,
and
you
know,
there's
there's
there's
an
asterisk
there.
It
doesn't
just
work
out
of
the
box.
C
You
have
to
set
up
a
bridge
for
your
token,
but
but
in
terms
of
like,
if
someone
wants
to
set
up
a
bridge
for
their
token
so
that
they
can
transfer
tokens
between
the
blockchains
all
the
code
is
here,
and
you
know
you
can
reach
out
to
us
on
the
on
our
telegram
channel
and
we'll
point
you
to
the
code-
and
you
know
some
assembly
required,
but
but
everything's
there
it
is
working.
I
just
got
a
bridge
set
up
for
a
test
token
this
last
week,
so
I'm
familiar
with
the
setup
process.
C
It's
not
easy.
You
need
to
be
a
javascript
developer,
because
the
code's
still
pretty
rough,
but
it
is
working
and
and
these
these
command
line
wallets,
provide
once
you
get
the
bridge
set
up.
These
command
line
wallets
have
a
very
convenient
command
that
other
people
can
use
to
send
tokens
across
the
bridge.
A
So,
first
step
for
some
of
the
people
that
are
on
the
psf
wondering
how
to
do
things
looking
at
how
to
do
things
again:
slp
cly
wallet
go
to
the
slp
client
wallet,
download
it,
and
you
can
learn
how
to
do
that
from
the
command
line,
not
very
hard,
and
you
do
need
to
sell
get.
A
If
you
don't
have
git
and
you
can
use
a
git
clone
to
clone
it
from
the
repository
or
you
can
just
download
it
as
a
zip
file
and
then
open
it
up
from
the
command
line
as
well,
create
an
slp
token
with
it
right.
First
step
create
an
slp
token.
There
is
your
token,
and
now
you
can
download
this
repository
and
you
can
start
playing
with
setting
up
a
bridge
for
that
particular
token
and
then
send
it
to
yourself
but
step.
One
is,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
people
out
there.
A
Still
that
haven't
taken
the
time
to
download
the
slp
client
wallet
and
create
a
token
for
yourselves,
and
it's
really
really
not
that
hard.
It's
not
as
intimidating
as
you
think,
so
you
don't
need
to
know
a
ton
of
javascript
to
create
the
token,
and
you
just
need
to
know
enough
about
a
code
editor
and
follow
chris's
videos
where
he
gives
very
clear
details
on
how
to
create
that
token.
C
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
stop
sharing
here,
erin
all
right
and
maybe
we
can
get
yeah
there.
We
go
yeah
so
that
that
wraps
up
our
agenda
and
yeah.
Thank
you
for
for
all
the
echoing
the
sentiment
there
aaron.
I
I
yeah,
I
think
those
command
line
wallets
they're
they're,
an
excellent
way
for
people
to
get
started
with
the
code
to
not
be
so
intimidated,
because
you
can
immediately
have
some
feedback
like
every
command
in
those
command
line.
C
C
Oh,
that
didn't
work
and
you
know
there's
a
help
and
you
can
read
the
help
and
like
adjust
and
it's
a
very,
very
fast
feedback
loop
to
like
learn,
and
then
you
still
don't
understand
the
code,
but
at
least
you
have
a
command
line
app
that
can
do
these
sort
of
blockchain
based
things
that
you
want
to
do
and
then
from
there
it's
a
natural
step
to
like
look
at
that.
One
file
that
has
all
the
code
about
that
command
if
you
want
to
get
a.
A
C
A
Well
and
the
I
think,
a
lot
of
people
get
intimidated
because
you
know
there's
no
gui
for
the
command
line,
of
course,
because
it's
command
line
but
you're,
really
just
cd
like
literally
typing,
in
cd
and
change
to
a
directory.
So
wherever
you
download
that
directory
to
that's,
keep
that
in
mind,
because
that's
your
file
path
and
you
can
cd
to
that
file
path
and
once
you
get
there,
if
you
press
dot
and
you
have
like
visual
studio
code,
I
don't
know
if
it
works
the
same
for
atom.
A
But
you
press
dot
and
hit
enter.
It
will
pop
up
all
of
that
code,
all
the
files
and
visual
studio
code,
and
you
can
look
at
it
and
it's
really
really
easy
to
then
edit.
What
you
need
to
in
the
right,
javascript
file,
save
it
and
then
go
back
to
your
command
line
and
hit
mpm
start
or
npm
run
or
node
run,
depending
on
what
you're
running
again.
A
Look
at
the
look
at
the
json
right
that'll
when
you
open
that
file
on
visual
studio
code,
and
maybe
this
is
something
that
you
and
I
should
do
a
video
on
chris
for
people.
When
you
open
that
file
in
visual
studio
code,
look
at
the
json
document,
it
will
tell
you
what
npm
commands
you
can
use
to
run
those
files
and
then,
once
you
know
those
commands,
you
can
alter
the
file,
save
them.
A
It's
in
that
command
line
is
going
to
take
those
files
that
you've
now
changed.
So
whatever
you
need
to
change.
To
do
a
token
you
know
whatever
wallet
address,
you
need
to
change
anything
like
that.
You
change
it.
You
save
it!
You're
back
in
your
command
line,
npm
run
or
npm
start
you've
created
your
token
or
you've,
sent
your
token
or
you've
done
anything
in
the
command
line.
That's
what
makes
it
really
really
easy
and
less.
A
Yeah
I
mean:
can
you
do
that
in
adam,
like
go
from
the
command
line
and
and
hit
a
certain
thing
and
open
up
adam.
C
You
probably
can
I'm
just
an
old
school
coder,
and
so
I
don't
I
don't
like
all
those
I
I
don't
like
my
text
editor
to
be
smarter
than
I
am.
A
Yeah
yeah
so
and
if
you
do
do
vs
code,
you
can
also
run
a
live
server
for
people
that
don't
know
you
can
a
terminal
from
vs
code.
If
you
want
to
see
you
don't
even
have
to
have
a
second
command
line
window,
but
I
like
to
use
bash
for
windows
git
bash.
A
A
I
think
you
can
do
it
with
adam
and
then
you
can
also
run
a
live
server,
so
say:
you're,
you're,
messing
with
chat.fullstat.cache
or
the
fullstack.cache
wallet
you've
downloaded
that
you've
opened
it
up
in
your
code,
you're
changing
things
around
you're,
adding
a
plug-in,
maybe
taking
away
a
plug-in,
maybe
you're
changing
colors
to
tie-dye,
who
knows,
and
you
can
literally
go
run,
live
server
and
it'll
pop
up
in
the
browser
you
choose.
Whatever
browser
you
want
to
choose,
you
know
brave
or
chrome
or
whatever,
and
you
can
test
it
right
there.
A
So
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
intimidation
with
people
and
I
just
want
to
get
get
you
over
that
hump.
I
mean
I'm,
not
an
expert,
but
you
know
once
I
started
learning
these
things.
I
said:
okay,
I
can
start
playing
around
with
this.
I
can
play
around
with
the
cly
wallet
and
a
lot
of
that
goes
back
to
your
videos.
Chris,
you
know,
I
watch
your
videos
and
I
was
like.
Oh
this
makes
sense.
You
know
and
understanding
and
I'll
say
one
more
thing
and
then
I'll
be
done.
A
Go
literally
look
at
the
code
and
look
at
where
the
code
connects
because
code
is
written
in
pieces,
especially
the
way
that
chris
does
it.
He
writes
a
lot
of
pieces
that
connect
to
each
other,
so
you
can
take
them
in,
take
them
out
and
look
at
them,
and
so
look
at
that
code
for
those
of
you
that
are
wanting
to
get
in
this
and
say:
okay,
this
piece
of
code
does
this
and
then
you
open
up
the
main
javascript
file,
and
you
say
it
says
import
whatever
was
this
other
piece
of
code?
A
Oh
when
I
import
that
it's
everything?
That's
over
here
in
this
other
file,
and
so
when
you're
looking
at
what
that
function,
does
anytime
that
function
comes
up
in
that
main
javascript
file.
You
can
go
back
to
that
original
file
and
go
okay
yeah.
This
is
what
the
function
does
and
that
that
helps
you
get
a
better
understanding,
and
sometimes
it's
just
taking
a
couple
hours
to
do
that.
You
know
every
day
or
every
other
day
to
look
at
that
stuff.
C
Yeah,
I
think,
if
the
fir,
if
someone's,
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
approach
this
stuff
in
the
first
hour,
figure
out
how
to
install
node
js,
because
that
will
also
install
npm
and
then
go
to
mpmjs.com
and
now,
all
of
a
sudden
you
have
by
installing
node.js
you
have
access
to
these
npm
libraries
and
and
they're
like
lego
blocks
like
now.
Now
you
can
start
building
stuff
just
by
assembling
lego
blocks,
figuring
out
how
to
assemble
lego
blocks
yeah
and
then
this
and
then
the
the
the
third
thing.
C
So
the
first
thing
install
node.js
second
thing:
go
explore
nodejs.com
or
npmjs.com
the
npm
repository
and
then
the
third
thing
is
learn
about
the
package.json
file.
That's
where
everything
starts
when
it
comes
to
node.js
the
package
yeah
just
it
describes
everything
that
the
program
needs
to
know
and
if
you
learn
how
those
fi,
how
that
file
is
put
together
and
what
the
different
things
in
it
mean.
Then,
then
you
have
everything
you
at
that
point.
A
If
we're
going
to
use
the
lego
blocks
analogy,
the
json
file
is
the
lego
instruction
manual.
You
always
throw
out
and
then
start
building
filling
the
blocks
yourself,
but
no
it's
it's
kind
of
like
the
instruction
manual
and
node
is
very
easy
to
download.
You
can
go
to
the
site
and
literally
click
download,
and
then
it
it'll
have
an
installer
package
for
you.
So
even
if
you're
and
you
can
install
it
from
the
command
line
too,
but
if
you're
hesitant,
you
can,
as
you
can
download
their
installer
and
you'll,
be
fine.
A
You
most
people
you
you
will
want
to
install
get
to,
because
that
makes
it
really
easy
to
to
clone
repositories
instead
of
downloading
them
as
zip
files
and
moving
them
around
whatever.
Once
you
get
used
to
command
line,
you
can
just
open
up
the
the
folder
that
you
want
to
download
this
stuff
into
and
say
git
clone.
A
B
B
C
One
of
the
things
that
really
I
want
to
I
want
to
dig
into
because
I
think
it
could
inform
you
know
I
I've
taken
this
path
with
the
jot
token,
but
there's
some
friction
there
and
the
way
that
they
did
it
is
you
you
sign
up
for
an
account
if
you
already
have
a
github
account,
it's
like
a
two-click
process
and
and
then
you
get
an
api
key
and
you
have
up
to
one
terabyte
of
storage
for
free.
C
You
don't
pay
for
anything,
and-
and
so
you
just
add
this
api
key
when
you
make
a
call
to
the
rest,
api
and-
and
you
know,
and
that's
what
you
can
just
upload
data
to
file
coin
and
ipfs
for
free
up
to
one
terabyte
and
and
yeah,
and
so
they
just
track
it
with
the
api
key.
So
what
I
really
want
to
do,
I
mean
that
service
is
cool
if
you're
a
developer.
That
should
have
just
sort
of
piqued
your
interest.
B
C
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up.
I
just
have
not
had
time
to
go
down
that
rabbit
hole,
but
I
am
like
I
really
want
to
figure
out
how
to
attract
more
developers
into
this
psf
community
that
have
solidity,
experience
and
and
yeah
want
to
start
playing
with
the
because
now
we
have
smart
bch,
which
is
an
evm
compatible
sidechained,
a
bitcoin
cash.
So
yeah,
that's
that's
definitely
worth
exploring.
C
I
don't
know
if
I
doubt
there's
anything
at
this
point
where
you
could
say
bring
an
slp
token
to
smart,
bch
and
back
that
would
be
interesting,
but
avalanche
has
that
they
have
their
c
chain
their
contract
chain,
which
is
an
evm
compatible
chain,
and
they
now
have
a
way
to
take
a
token
on
the
x
chain,
which
is
runs
more
like
bitcoin
cash,
bring
it
across
to
the
the
p
chain
or
the
c
chain,
and
interact
with
a
smart
contract
and
then
bring
it
back
around
to
the
x
chain,
and
they
have
commands
for
that.
C
And
so
that's
in
my
mind,
that's
like
the
next
logical
step
for
smart
bch
is
to
build
a
bridge
where
you
can
bring
an
slp
token
over
to
the
side
chain
and
back-
and
I
just
I
I
love
it's.
You
know
I'm
it's.
These
patterns
that
I
focus
on
is
like
once
we
can
do
that
once
we
have
this
sort
of
equivalent
functionality
and
workflows
across
chains,
it's
going
to
be
really
powerful
and
it's
going
to
be
easier
for
us
to
build
business
tools
that
sort
of
abstract
away
all
the
blockchain
specific
stuff.
C
And
it's
just
it's
just
like
okay
now
you
have
a
token
and
you
know
like
you,
can
exchange
it
like
money
and
low
transaction
fees.
And
then
you
want
your
token
to
like
interact
with
some
sort
of
smart
contract
over
here.
Okay,
so
you
bring
it
across
and
it
interacts
and
you
bring
it
back
and,
like
that's
gonna,
be
the
the
general
workflow,
like
that's
a
general
pattern
and
the
general
trend
where
everything's
going
and
then
the
actual
blockchain
that
you're
using
like
like
in
terms
of
the
end
user.
C
They
don't
need
to
know
that
they
don't
need
to
care
about
that,
and
I
think
that
that's
the
way
things
are
going,
and
I
think
that
you
know
I
that
that's
how
I'm
trying
to
position
the
code
that
I
write
is
this
this
next
le
you
know
the
next,
what
you
know
like
right
right
in
the
wave
as
a
surfer
like
I'm,
trying
to
paddle
in
front
of
the
wave-
that's
behind
me
so
that
I
can
ride
it
when
it
finally
reaches
me.
A
Now
we
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
about
this
idea
of
giving
people
the
ability,
individuals,
the
ability
to
create
currency,
and
this
idea
of
like
if
we
truly
want
a
free
market
of
currency.
Maybe
the
next
step
is
tokens
and
people
being
able
to
create
tokens
for
themselves
and
trade
them
uninhibited
right
and
the
tokens
could
be
based
on
blockchains.
A
They
could
be
blockchain
adjacent,
they
could
be,
but
this
idea
that,
if
you
get
to
that
point,
it
becomes
really
unsensible,
because
if
millions
of
people
are
creating
currencies
and
finding
different
ways
that
we're
not
even
going
to
think
about
to
use
those
currencies,
you
know
like
we
talked
about
before
friendship,
token
or
whatever,
where
it's
like.
I
I
do
a
favor
for
you
and
you
give
me
a
friendship
token
that
I
could
redeem
within
our
friends
group
to
have
somebody
come
help.
A
Me
move
right,
something
like
that
where
it's
like
it
removes
friction
you
know,
you're,
not
you
don't
have
that
guy
that
just
you
know
takes
from
the
group
and
never
gives
back
that
sort
of
thing.
A
A
C
Thing
so
it's
they've
had
a
test
net
up
and
running,
but
the
thing
that
they've
been
struggling
with
for
the
last
three
months,
I
think,
is
figuring
out
a
really
good
way
to
tie
the
side
chain
in
with
the
base
chain
with
the
bitcoin
cash
blockchain
yeah,
and
they
just
that's
what
they
just
launched
in
the
last
week
was.
It
was
a
was
this
way
to.
C
Basically,
you
send
some
bitcoin
cash
and
I
might
be
getting
this
wrong
because
I
haven't,
I
haven't,
looked
at
it
myself,
but
I
believe
the
way
it
works
is
you
send
it
there's
an
ad
address.
You
send
bitcoin
cash
and
then
the
smart
bch,
which
is
the
native
currency
on
the
smart,
bch
blockchain,
appears
at
you
know
an
address
on
that
chain,
and
and
so
what
happens
is
like
it's.
C
It's
running
all
these,
like
ethereum
solidity
contracts
and
periodically
a
minor
on
the
bitcoin
cash
blockchain,
will
anchor
that
blockchain
into
the
bitcoin
cash
block
chain
by
including
like
an
op
return
or
a
hatch
or
something
is
it
running
the
contracts
on
ethereum,
no
not
on
the
ethereum
network,
but
anything
but
any
solidity
contract?
Okay,
that
that
could
run
on
ethereum
will
run
on
this.
A
B
B
When
you
send
something
to
address,
it
will
do
something,
will
start
a
little
program
and
generate
some
output,
so
ecbm
is
compatible
with
ethereum.
So
it's
not
ethereum
blockchain
it's
their
chain,
but
if
we
create
the
contract,
same
contract
can
be
run
also
in
this
smart
blockchain,
a
smart
bch
blockchain.
So
for
example,
yes,
so
dexes,
which
I
created
until
now,
I
rc
20
tokens
stuff
like
this
one.
B
They
can
be
bring
to
this
smart
bch
and,
like
chris
mentioned
periodically,
they
will
put
something
on
the
real
bch
chain
like
transactions,
how
they
go,
which
address
receive
what
they
will.
Maybe
convert
it
to
utxos
or
I
don't
know
how
and
put
them
on
the
real
blockchain.
C
So
the
buzzword,
the
buzzword
to
listen
for,
is
evm.
That
means
ethereum
virtual
machine
yeah,
and
so
you
get
these
evm
compatible
chains,
so
any
smart
contract,
which
is
typically
written
in
solidity,
there's
a
couple
other
programming
languages,
it's
like
javascript
solidity,
and
so,
if
you
build
it
and
you
can
run
it
on
ethereum
now
you
can
take
that
same
code.
You
can
run
it
on
smart
bch.
You
can
run
it
on
the
avalanche
c
chain.
You
can
run
it
on
the
binance
smart
chain.
C
The
same
code
will
run
on
all
these
different
chains
and
then
the
next
logical
step
is
to
start
start
making.
These
change
in
intercompatible,
so
avalanche
is
on,
I
think,
their
second
generation
of
bridge
between
the
avalanche
c
chain
and
the
ethereum
chain.
So
you
can
bring
an
erc20
token
across
the
chains
and
then
a
guy
on
twitter.
I
follow
daily
shoot,
I'm
having
a
brain,
fart
conor
daley,
connor
daly.
C
He
actually
just
had
a
tweet
on
how
to
write
a
smart
contract
that
resolves
to
the
same
address
on
all
chains,
and
so,
if
so,
the
smart
contract,
you
load
it
to
ethereum
you're,
going
to
get
an
address
for
that
contract
and
then
normally,
if
you
uploaded
that
same
code
on
say,
you
know
smartbcah
you're
going
to
get
a
different
address,
but
there's
a
way
to
write
these
contracts
so
that
they
get
the
exact
same
address
on
each
chain.
C
A
That
that's
really
cool.
I
had
no
idea
that
smart
bch
was
was
going
on
and
you
know
maybe
they
want
to
implement
some
pay
to
write
database
to
help
them
out.
C
C
So
encouraging
to
me
when,
like
at
the
same
time,
you
know
you
and
I
erin
we're
in
the
us,
but
and
so
I'm
greatly
concerned
by
some
of
the
news
I've
been
hearing
about
some
of
the
very
poorly
thought
out:
legislation
around
blockchain
stuff-
that's
getting
talked
about
in
in
in
washington,
dc
and
and
might
be
getting
pushed
into
some
of
these
infrastructure
funding
bills
and
stuff
yep,
but
as
as
discouraging
as
that,
is
it
also
just
seeing
seeing
all
this
development
and
all
these
different.
C
You
know
directions
and
then,
but
but
having
sort
of
these
coherent
patterns
like
being
able
to
see
how
they
all
kind
of
tie
together-
and
it
just
makes
me
feel,
really
optimistic
that
no
whatever
they
do
in
washington
dc,
it's
not
going
to
stop
the
innovation.
It's
not
going
to
stop!
You
know,
what's
going
on,
if
you,
if
you
can
follow
the
tech,
I
don't
really
think
there's
much
to
fear
about
the
law.
A
A
When
you
do
that,
you
know
things
just
radically
change
and
this
idea
that
you
can
now
write
solidity
if
you're
a
solidity
programmer.
Now
you
have
more
options.
That's
great!
That's
great!
If
you're
going
to
make
nfts,
you
could
make
them
on
bitcoin
cash
or
avalanche,
and
now
you've
made
a
cheaper
nft.
That's
awesome
as
well,
and
so
it's
I
I
do
hear
people
out
there
that
they
get
scared.
They
think
that
cryptocurrencies
will
be
shut
down
or
the
you
know.
A
Even
the
internet
will
be
shut
down
and
I
think
I
would
say,
there's
a
lot
of
people
working
that
we're
not
aware
of,
and
you
know
we're
working
here.
A
lot
of
other
people
are
working
and
things
are
a
lot
more
complex
than
they
realize
and
people
are
working
for
what
we're
saying
on
sensible
technology.
C
Yeah
and
to
add
to
that,
I
have
a
little
bit
of
news
to
share
that
I've
been
following
pretty
closely
shapeshift
the
company
that
they,
so
they
they
started
out
as
a
very
simple
service
back
in
2017,
2016
2017.
That
would
just
very
easily
let
you
convert
from
one
cryptocurrency
to
the
other
and.
C
C
You
know
you're
at
what
you're
doing
is
actually
a
regulated
service
and
you
you
need
to
apply
by
the
regulations
and
so
eric
voorhees,
the
ceo
who's,
a
bitcoin
og
one
of
the
earliest
people
in
the
bitcoin
space
that
I
that
I
followed-
and
you
know
he
was
very
upset
by
this,
but
he
needed
to
do
what
he
had
to
do
and
the
best
he
and
at
the
same
time
it's
pretty
obvious
that
he's
operating
under
a
gag
order.
So
because
often
times
he
gets
asked
questions
and
he's
like.
C
I
can't
talk
about
that
and
that's
the
only
response
he
can
give
and-
and
so
he's
been
on
this,
like
quest
to
to
find
a
way
out
from
under
the
thumb
of
the
regulators
and-
and
so
they
are
now
shapeshift
doesn't
actually
custody.
Anything
they're,
just
they're,
just
a
a
piece
of
software
that
that
helps
people
interact
with
decentralized
exchanges
like
uniswap
and
thor
chain
and
and
to
take
it
one
step
further.
C
They
are
now
dissolving
their
corporate
structure
and
becoming
a
dow
so
like
so
they
they
do
not.
They
will
not
in
about
a
year's
time.
They
will
not
exist
legally,
so
there
is,
they
they're
not
engaged
in
any
activity
that
is
regulated
and
they
are
not
a
company
that
can
be
regulated,
and
so
I've
been
following
pretty
closely.
C
I
actually
attended
one
of
their
governance
meetings
yesterday
and
and
offered
a
little
support
in
terms
of
you
know,
they're
just
starting
to
form
their
dow
and
they're
in
there
they're,
going
through
all
the
same
hurdles
that
everyone
goes
through,
particularly
in
terms
of
communication.
So
I
I
had
a
chance
to
to
get
on
their
their
stage
and
introduce
our
concept
of
our
vip
bot
for
the
rvip
room,
which
is
based
on
merit
of
our
token
and
and
they
were
really
intrigued
by
that
idea.
C
In
fact,
I
think
I
think
that
more
than
likely,
I
will
be
helping
them
probably
convert
our
va
vip
bot
to
work
with
their
erc
20
token.
But
the
idea
is
the
same,
and
so
I'm
excited
to
to
partner
with
them
and
to
work
with
them.
They
have
money
and
expertise
and
are
from
what
I
know
of
of
eric.
C
His
ethos
is
very
well
aligned
with
our
ethos
within
this
community,
so
there's
a
natural
fit
there,
so
I'm
very
excited
and
then
also
maker
dao,
which
started
out
as
a
dao
and
then
became
a
corporate
entity,
is
now
unwinding
their
corporate
structure
and
becoming
a
full
dow
again,
and
I'm
not
following
that
quite
as
closely,
but
I
am
incur
like
these.
So
these
are,
you
know
twice
as
a
coincidence.
C
Three
times
is
a
pattern,
and
so
I
think
that
this
is
the
beginning
of
a
trend
where
you're
going
to
see
businesses
that
are
operating
in
good
faith,
but
are
tired
of
the
onerous
requirements
of
regulators
are
literally
dissolving
their
corporate
structure
to
become
daos.
C
And
it's
it's
an
interesting
move,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
what?
How
that
you
know
how
it's
going
to
play
out,
but
it's
definitely
entertaining
to
watch.
A
Well,
I
think
you're
going
to
see
that
from
multiple
angles
right,
because
a
lot
of
people
don't
understand
the
corporate.
The
corporation
was
invented
by
the
government
as
basically
arms
of
the
government.
Right.
If
you
go
back-
and
you
study
this
like
deputized-
I
like
that
word
and
what
it
does
is
it.
It
removes
blame
like
there's
so
many
people
that
are
like.
A
I
don't
get
held
to
account
for
my
actions
and
there's
a
moral
responsibility
there
and,
as
I
hope
we
progress
as
humanity
and
our
consciousness
progresses.
I
hope
to
see
that
not
only
do
people
create
these
dowels
or
dissolve
these
corporations
because
of
regulations,
but
they
also
dissolve
them
for
moral
accountability
to
say
you
know
what
I
am
going
to
be
responsible
for
the
things
I
make
and
the
things
I
do
in
this
world
and
that
could
be
dangerous
to
me.
A
But
my
integrity
and
my
moral
character
matters
more
to
me
than
that
veil
of
protection
that
I
can
have
right
and
I
think
you're
gonna
start
to
see
a
movement
of
that
so
like
I
would
be
more
willing
to
buy
something
from
a
company
who's,
ceo
or
maybe
not
a
ceo
anymore,
because
we
don't
know
where
this
is
going.
You
know
whose.
B
A
C
That's
one
of
the
big
paradigm
changes
that
I'm
optimistic
about
is
like,
instead
of
a
ceo
directing
a
corporation
which
you
know
could
be
that
the
corporation
can
die,
but
but
there's
almost
never.
You
know
a
repercussion
for
the
ceo
who
actually
made
the
decision
now.
You
know
in
the
case
of
of
shapeshift
eric
voorhees,
who
was
the
ceo
he's
only
gonna
have
like
five
percent
or
less
of
the
total
token
supply,
so
he's
no
longer
a
ceo
he's
he's
an
influential
member
and
and
what
this
does.
C
Is
it
instead
of
this
sort
of
failed
veil
of
protection
that
corporations
offer
and
all
the
social
issues
that
that's
raised
over
the
last
hundred
years?
Now
these
corporations,
or
these
new
corporations,
these
dows
they're,
now
like
guided
by
the
wisdom
of
the
crowds.
So
even
if
one
person
who
say
has
five
percent
of
the
token
supply,
which
is
significant,
feels
very
strongly
and
wants
to
do
one
thing
and
it
turns
out
to
be,
you
know,
have
negative
repercussions.
C
It
probably
won't
happen
because
it's
now
it's
now
in
order
to
to
take
action,
the
the
dow
has
to
have
you
know
several
people
who
agree
that
that
that
action's,
the
right
one
to
take,
and
so
that
that's
what
I
like
is
there's
there's
this
notion
that
the
people
who
are
affected
by
a
decision
should
have
a
proportional
say
in
the
making
of
that
decision
and
and
corporations
do
not
play
by
that
rule
at
all.
But
these
doubts
do
and-
and
so
I'm
very
encouraged
by
that.
A
Well,
and
what's
what
we're
seeing
right?
I
think
people
don't
understand,
because
we've
always
had
corporations
for
our
lives
right.
But
we,
if
you
look
at
history
and
you
see
how
it
comes
from
feudalism-
to
mercantilism,
to
the
big
liberty,
libertarian
liberty,
movement
of
the
1700s,
and
then
you
have
the
the
revolutions
that
that
happened
through
the
eight
late
1700s
early
1800s.
A
We
may
evolve
beyond
there,
but
if
we
never
say
that
there
are
other
ways
of
doing
things,
we'll
always
stay
in
this
one
way
of
doing
it,
and
so
that's
part
of
what
we're
here
to
do
is
say:
are
there
better
ways
to
do
this
and
then
another
thing
you
run
into
is
now
you're
forced,
like
eric
he's,
forced
to
go
by
his
good
ideas
and
his
abilities
to
convince
people
that
they're
good
ideas
right.
A
So
your
leaders,
instead
of
being
people
that
are
coerced
in
by
money
of
corporations
or
you
know
even
in
politics,
the
same
same
thing
goes
now:
your
leaders
are
genuine
leaders,
people
that
have
good
ideas,
have
the
ability
to
execute
or
can
identify
good
ideas
and
have
the
ability
to
bring
other
people
on
board
with
those
and
help
synergistically
make
those
things
happen,
and
what's
great
about
that,
too,
is,
if
you
don't
like
the
idea,
you
can
walk
away,
that's
fine
and
right.
A
You
know
good
luck,
good
luck,
trying
to
walk
away
and
we're
we're
trying
to
work
for
a
world
where
freedom
of
association
happens
and
is
a
good
thing,
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
seeing
with
these
dows-
and
I
I
hope
to
see
that
with
companies
and
corporations
and
yeah,
that's
my
two
cents.
C
Right
on
right
now,
all
right
we're
at
an
hour
and
20
minutes.
Is
there
anything
else
you
guys
want
to
talk
about
before
we
wrap
it
up.
C
C
Yeah
we
always
appreciate
you
making
it
stoian.
In
fact,
since
since
you
two
or
the
three
of
us
seem
to
be
the
the
regular
attendees
here,
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
for
us
to
change
the
time
to
to
accommodate,
join
a
little
better.
So,
let's
yeah.
A
C
B
No,
I
cannot
I'm
on
on
work,
so
I
cannot
participate
during
the
day,
so
these
hours
are
not
so
bad
just
if
it
can
be
one
hour
early.
I
will
be
happy
if
no
current
one-
I
can
do
this.
C
B
C
B
A
C
Okay,
well:
cool
yeah:
let's
go
ahead
and
wrap
it
up
a
great
session
guys
appreciate
your
attendance
and
yeah,
I'm
not
so
I'm
just
telling
aaron
before
he
went
on
air.
I'm
gonna
add
a
section
to
the
ps
foundation.cash
website,
where
you
can
I'll
start
posting
these
videos
so
that
people
can
sort
of
watch
the
older,
the
older
ones.
If,
for
some.
A
Reason
they
would
want
to-
and
I
do
have
a
bunch
of
them
recorded
for
those
that
are
watching.
I
need
to
get
them
up
on
odyssey
I'll
try
to
do
that
this
week
and
I
could
probably
send
those
to
you
too
in
case
you
want
to
store
them
in
a
different
way
and
if
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
use
the
youtube
reel
or
if
you
want
to
use
your
own.
A
C
No,
I
haven't,
I
haven't
I
I
I
like
converting
everything
to
mp4.
If
it's
possible,
that
seems
to
be
the
most
universal
form.
A
A
All
right
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
hit
the
transition
for
the
outro.
Thank
you
for
all
the
you
that
have
been
watching.
Oh
wait.
We
do
have
some
stuff
in
the
chat.
We
should
cover
that
real,
quick
before
we
go
marco
monterio
trejo.
I
hope
I
said
your
name
right.
Technology
will
always
benefit
their
users
in
society
in
general.
Thank
you
all
for
working
in
a
better
society.
A
We
really
appreciate
it
man,
we
believe
in
this
stuff
and
we
believe
in
a
society
of
free
association
and
freedom
from
the
threat
of
abortion
and
violence,
and
that
is
what
we're
working
towards
here.
Dean
cook.
You
might
be
able
to
use
an
nft
to
swap
coins.
C
A
Yeah
so
yeah
dean,
good
suggestion,
and
we
will
be
looking
into
that.
I
don't
know
if
dean
or
marco,
if
you're
part
of
the
telegram
group,
but
you
can
find
us
at
a
permissionless
software
foundation-
is
or
is
it
just
psf
on
telegram.
C
A
I
think
I
can
share
the
the
group
in
the
chat
yeah,
it's
the
it's,
the
psl
yeah
permissionless
software
foundation
group
and
I'm
going
to
copy
the
link
and
drop
it
into
the
youtube
for
you
guys.
Yeah
go
for
it
so
yeah,
it's
permissionless.
A
Yeah
yep
permissionless
underscore
software,
that's
in
the
chat
for
you,
guys,
dean
and
marco.
Thank
you
very
much
for
contributing
the
chat
and
anybody
else.
That's
watching.
Please.
Please
chat
with
us
and
at
the
end,
during
this
time,
we're
going
to
read
your
chats
on
air
and
we're
going
to
talk
to
you
about
it.
So
all
right
and
if
that's
I
think,
that's
it
for
today.
I
don't
see
anything
more
in
the
chat,
so
I
think
we
can
go
ahead
and
hit
the
outro
and
we'll
see.