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A
All
right,
it
says
it's
preparing
the
live
stream
I'll,
just
give
it
a
minute
to
give
me
the
all
good
and
then
I'll
put
the
link
in
the
telegram
chat.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
welcome
everyone
to
the
permissionless
software
foundation.
Technical
steering
meeting
today
is
march
16th
2022
and
I
let's
do
a
quick
round
of
introductions.
I
am
chris
troutner.
I
I
founded
the
permission,
the
software
foundation
and
I
maintain
fullstack.cache,
which
is
bitcoin
and
ecash
software
as
a
service,
aaron
sunmen.
Why
don't
you
introduce
yourself?
I'm.
B
Aaron
sonmen
big
bitcoiner
for
quite
some
time
and
loving
this
space,
but
I
also
feel
like
the
what
information
the
software
foundation
is.
Bringing
to
the
table
is
the
ability
to
do
all
of
this
stuff
without
having
to
get
permission,
which
I
think
is
how
innovation
ends
up
happening
anyway.
So
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you're
going
forward
doing
this.
I
put
a
new
background
in
this-
is
the
the
michael
saylor
background
he
always
uses,
so
I
figured
I'd
start
using
this
as
well.
Sometimes,
hey.
A
A
Where
did
the
oh
interesting?
Somehow
I
lost
the
agenda,
so
let
me
pull
this
up
so
for
anybody
who
wants
to
check
out
this
agenda.
It
is
on
on
github.com,
under
the
permissionless
software
foundation
group,
in
a
repository
called
tsc
for
technical
steering
committee,
and
we
file
all
of
our
agendas
as
issues.
A
And
here
is
today's
issue,
so,
as
always,
these
meetings
are
a
chance
for
us
to
celebrate
our
technical
achievements
over
the
last
couple
weeks,
and
so
this
is
going
to
be
a
pretty
short
agenda
just
to
list
all
the
the
things
that
we've
accomplished
and
then
we'll
just
open
up
to
a
round
table.
We
can
talk
about
news
or
tech
or
anything
that
strikes
our
fancy.
A
Okay,
so
I've
I've
adjusted
the
the
format
a
little
bit
so
for
anybody
who
wants
to
see
the
recording
I'll
have
a
link
to
the
youtube
recording
here,
as
always,
there's
a
link
to
the
zoom
meetings
and
our
list
of
core
software
is
starting
to
get
rather
long.
There's
actually
a
couple
more.
A
I
need
to
add
to
this
list,
but
I
thought
I'd
add
a
scope
section
that
just
sort
of
briefly
calls
out
the
software
that
the
psf
is
maintains
and
sort
of
a
quick
one-sentence
blurb
of
what
it
is
or
what
it
does
so
I'll
just
go
through
this
real
quick
we've
got
the
bch
api,
which
is
our
rest
api
for
both
bch
and
ecash
that
essentially
talks
to
the
full
node
and
the
indexers
below
it
and
creates
a
common
interface
for
for
software
to
hit,
and
then
bchjs
is
our
javascript
library,
which
interfaces
with
the
rest
api
and
also
provides
a
lot
of
cryptographic.
A
Utility
things
like
generating
wallets
and
address,
and
key
pairs
and
signing
and
verifying
signatures.
Gatsby
theme,
dch
wallet
is
our
gatsby
theme.
So
gatsby
is
a
framework
for
building
really
rich
web
apps
and
using
using
react
components,
and
so
we
have
a
gatsby
theme
to
help
developers
like
just
get
started,
building
their
own
web
app.
So
the
theme
can
send
and
receive
bitcoin
cash.
It
can
generate
wallets,
it
can
send
and
receive
slp
tokens,
and
so
developers
can
just
leverage
that
and
hit
the
ground
running.
A
A
We
have
a
mesh
network
of
servers,
which
is
our
decentralized
web,
3
infrastructure
and
so
ipfs
cord
is
like
the
lynch
pin
that
keeps
that
entire
mesh
network
connected
psf
slp
indexer
is
our
new
slp
token
indexer
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
a
bit
today
and
then
the
pay
to
write
database
there's
both
the
ipfs
pay
right
database
service,
which
is
a
rest
api
and
also
a
json
rpc
server
for
interacting
with
the
pay
to
write
database
and
then
the
payroll
database.
A
So
let
me
jump
into
the
agenda.
Basically
there's
two
sections:
there's
the
tech
updates
and
then
there's
the
token
deck.
So
I'll
start
with
the
tech
updates.
A
So
ipfs
cord,
as
I
mentioned,
is
this
linchpin
of
our
mesh
network
and
it's
been
working
great,
the
last
few
months,
but
we
used
orbitdb
to
coordinate
messages
across
the
network
and
and
that's
not
really
what
orbit
dbu
was
designed
for,
and
so
we
are
having
serious
scaling
issues
and
so
orbit
db
has
been
removed
and
the
it's
been
replaced
with
just
a
lower
level,
pub
sub
interface
and
it's
been
pushed
out
into
all
the
derivative
software
like
the
paid
right
database
and
and
the
bch
wallet
service
provider
and
the
consumer,
and
it's
been
in.
A
It's
just
been
out
there
in
production
for
about
a
week,
and
things
have
been
working
great.
It's
it's
like
at
least
a
10x
improvement
in
cpu
usage.
So
it's
it's
much
much
more
efficient,
really
happy
with
how
this
all
turned
out.
It's
so
much
faster,
just
like
at
in
terms
of
sending
a
message
across
the
mesh
network.
It's
like
a
10x
improvement
nice.
I,
like
that
emoji
stylum.
A
Okay,
so
that's
that's
that
news,
so
that's
going
really
good!
That's
pretty
much
done.
The
big
thing
that
I've
been
focusing
on
this
week
and
we'll
probably
continue
to
focus
on
for
the
next
few
weeks
is
removing
slpdb
and
replacing
it
with
our
psf
slp
indexer.
So
just
to
recap,
real
quick
slpdb
was
the
like
sort
of
foundational
token
indexer
that
tracks
all
the
tokens
on
the
bitcoin
cash
network.
It's
also
used
on
the
ecash
network
for
all
their
token
infrastructure,
and
it's
it's
having
serious
scaling
issues.
A
It's
basically
reached
the
end
of
its
life.
It's
has
not
been
maintained
for
well
over
a
year.
So
there's
you
know
nobody
from
the
original
developer's
not
working
on
it.
No
one
from
the
community
has
successfully
been
able
to
maintain
it
and
the
psf
raised
a
flip
starter.
A
The
bch
community
funded
us
to
build
a
replacement,
so
that's
out
in
production.
It's
working
great.
It
runs
excellently
on
a
system
with
eight
gigabytes
of
ram
and
we
have
now
successfully
deprecated
slp
db
in
bch,
api
and
bchjs,
and
so
we've
we've
just
removed
all
of
that
infrastructure
and
baggage
and
we're
successfully
moving
forward
with
the
psf
slp
indexer
and
guys
feel
free
to
interrupt
me.
If
you
have
any
questions
or
comments.
Otherwise
I'll
just
go
through
this,
and
we
can
let.
B
Me
ask
one
question
on
that:
like
there
were,
some
people
that
were
asking
you
know
is:
is
the
psf
slp
indexer
a
a
drop-in
replacement
for
slp
db,
whereas,
like
the
apis
are
the
same
and
stuff
like
that,
which
I
mean
especially
since
I
mean
there
still
has
to
be
people
using
nasal
pdb
but
they're,
realizing
that
it's
bad
and
it's
causing
issues
for
them.
B
A
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question
I
so
in
terms
of
what
would
it
take
for
them
to
decide
to
start
using
our
indexer?
I
think
we
just
need
to
use
it
and
be
successful
using
it
and
build
products
and
businesses
on
top
of
it
and
that's
all
the
marketing
we
need
to
do.
Slpdb
is
getting
harder
to
run
every
day
and
it
has
been
for
quite
some
time.
So
if
there
are
still
people
running
it
which,
like
I
think,
there's
probably
I
mean
other
than
fountainhead,
I
don't
know
anybody
who's
running
slvdb.
A
I
don't
know
anyone
who
can
afford
to
run
it
because
you
need
a
server
with
about
64
gigabytes
of
ram
and
even
then
it's
still
going
to
fall
over
frequently
it'll.
You
know,
if
you
have
it
configured
correctly,
it
can
automatically
pick
itself
back
up,
which
is
how
the
the
simple
ledger.info
block
block
explorer
the
token
explorer.
A
You
know
it
goes
down
for
like
10
minutes
and
you
just
wait
for
it
to
pick
itself
back
up
and
and
that's
running
on
a
very
beefy
system,
and
so
I
there
there's
only
a
couple
alternative,
indexers
token
indexers
at
elipe.
The
the
go
crypto
payment
system
out
in
europe.
They
have
their
own
indexer
that
they
release,
but
it's
it's
like.
It
uses
net
and
a
sql
database
and
which
does
not
really.
You
know
it's
not
the
business
of
the
community
right,
that's
not
at
all
either.
A
B
A
That's
my
own
yeah
yeah,
so
they
have
open
sourced
it,
but
I
am
not
aware
of
anyone
who
is
using
it
other
than
them.
I
think
maybe
that's
what
bitcoin.com
is
running.
I'm
not
sure
I
don't
have
any
transparency
into
that
anymore
and
so
there's
just
limited
options.
B
Flex,
usd
because
I
mean
flex
gsd
is
one
of
the
issues
that
is
caught.
You
know,
maybe
one
of
the
main
things
that
is
causing
issues
with
slpdb,
who,
who
is
actually
running
that
and
they
must
be
running
something
that's
going
to
handle
lex
usd
well.
A
They
they're
they're
really
close
with
bitcoin.com,
and
so
I
don't
know
what
bitcoin.com
is
using.
They
they
in
the
last
few
years,
they've
tended
to
move
away
from
open
source
software
and
move
towards
closed
source
software.
So
whatever
they're
using,
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
Okay,
but
flex
usd
has
been
very
interested
in
our
work
with
the
slp,
indexer
and
and
they've
been
very
disappointed
that
we've
made
the
decision
to
blacklist
their
token
by
default
and
and
they're
that
you
know
I'm
in
talks
with
them
into.
A
You
know
how
they
could
properly
incentivize
us
to
do
the
massive
amount
of
work
that
would
be
required
to
optimize
the
index
or
further
just
for
their
token.
I've
made
it
clear
that,
like
blacklisting
their
token
makes
this
indexer
work
great
for
all
other
tokens.
It's
only
their
token
that
is
causing
problems
and
so
that,
if
they,
if
they
want
us
to
do
exceptional
work
for
their
exceptional
token,
then
they're
going
to
have
to
pay
us
exceptionally
to
do
that.
B
B
A
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up,
but
yeah
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
just
sweep
that
stuff
under
like
the
thing
is,
is
there's
a
happy
medium
I
have
to
achieve
between,
like
there's
very
real
technical
reasons,
for
why
we've
made
the
decisions
we've
made
and
I'm
not
I
I
don't
shy
away
from
that,
but
I
also
don't
want
to
have
the
same
conversation
over
and
over
again,
but
I
also
don't
this
isn't
an
emotional
thing.
I'm
not
doing
this
because
I
hate
flex
usd
it's.
A
This
is
this
is
numbers
and
engineering
and
and
logic
and
incentive,
and
and
there's
no
room
for
emotion
here,
and
this
is
the
proper
place
for
us
to
have
this
discussion
right,
and
so,
if
anybody
watches
this
later,
I
invite
anybody
to
to
come
talk
about
this.
If
they
have
another
point
of
view,
they
want
to
put
forward.
B
A
Yeah
well
yeah:
let's
talk
about
that
if
anybody
is
not
already
in
the
permissionless
software
foundation,
telegram
channel
the
way
the
easiest
way
to
get
to
it
is
to
go
to
psfoundation.cash
scroll
all
the
way
to
the
bottom
and
there's
a
link
to
our
telegram
channel.
If
you
go
there,
there
is
a
separate
telegram
channel
dedicated
just
to
the
slp
indexer,
but
we
can.
We
can
send
you
there,
but
so,
if
anybody's
watching
this-
and
they
want
to
know
how
to
contribute
to
this
conversation,
that's
the
way
to
do
it.
Excellent.
C
Chris,
I
also
have
a
question:
what
will
be
the
curing
language
for
this
indexer?
Are
you
planning
to
support
this
old,
some
strange
language
that
the
old
aso
pdb
had,
or
it
will
be
some
graphql?
A
C
A
That's
a
good
question:
it's
very
different!
So
yeah,
the
old
slpdb
had
a
query.
Language
called
jq
and
it
was
based
on
mongodb
and
you
could.
It
was
this
very
archaic.
A
It
was
turing
complete,
so
you
could
do
these
loops
and
and
that
that's
part
of
the
computational
issues
with
slpdb
is
like
you.
Could
you
could
basically
like
dos
a
dawson
slpdb
server
by
by
carefully
crafting
a
query
that
would
just
have
infinite
loops,
and
so
we
moved
away
from
mongodb
we're
using
leveldb,
which
is
much
faster
and
more
performant.
A
And
so,
if
you
go
to
psf
slp-indexer.fullstack.cache,
you
can
see
the
api
interface
for
the
indexer.
So
this
is
straight
just
talking
straight
to
the
indexer.
So
it's
got.
A
It's
got
this
rest
interface,
so
it's
got
four
interface
through
really
really
just
three,
because
one
of
them
is
just
a
just
a
status
to
see
if
the
the,
how
you
know
how
this
indexer
is
doing,
if
it's
caught
up
to
the
tip
of
the
chain,
so
really
it
just
looks
at
you
can
query
address
balances
so
that'll
give
you
a
list
of
all
the
utxos
as
well
as
the
token
like
a
summary
of
the
token
balances
and
as
well
as
the
transaction
history
for
an
address.
A
So
that's
that's
one
end
point:
there
is
a
transaction,
so
you
can
query
the
details
of
a
transaction
of
a
token
transaction
or
or
any
transaction
for
that
matter,
and
if
it
is
a
token
transaction,
it
will
hydrate
the
inputs
and
the
outputs
with
the
the
quantities
of
token
and
the
token
ids
and
then
at
the
bottom.
It
will
give
you
info
about
the
token
like
what
what
the
genesis,
what
the
the
genesis
was
if
it's
valid.
A
This
is
usually
what
a
lot
of
software's
curious.
When
you
query
a
transaction,
you
just
want
to
know
if
it's
valid
or
not,
and
just
just
information
like
that
and
then
there's
a
token
stats
endpoint.
That
will
give
you
like
information
about
the
about
the
genesis
info
about
the
token.
So
it's
decimals
if
the
minting
baton
is
active,
the
number
of
tokens
in
circulation,
the
number
of
tokens
that
have
been
burned
and
then
there's
there's
a.
A
A
For
that
token,
that
have
ever
been
made.
So
if
you
want
to
you
know
that
that
information
is
valuable
in
certain
situations,
but
it's
a
lot
of
it
can
be
a
lot
of
info,
so
we
don't
include
include
it
by
default.
So
these
three
endpoints
when
I,
when
I
set
out
designing
the
indexer
you
know
we
I've
been
using
slpdb
since
it
was
created
very
intensely.
Writing
writing
some
of
these
jq
queries
and
and
creating
different
api
interfaces
for
it,
and
so
the
this
is
really
like.
A
A
Basically,
it's
just
a
map
of
all
the
slp
transactions,
so
that
when
you
you
can
re-index
the
indexer
and
you
can
skip
because
you
already
know
what
all
the
transactions
that
you're
interested
in
you
can
ignore
all
the
non-slp
transactions,
so
it's
much
faster
to
reindex.
So
if
there
is
like
some
information
that
someone
wants-
that's
not
in
here,
they
can
add
it
and
then
quickly
re-index.
It
will
quickly
be
in
a
week
re-index.
You
know
and
customize
like
they
could
add
another
rest
apn
api
endpoint.
A
That
quarries
some
other
information,
but
I
mean
the
key
word
in
slp
is
simple.
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
other
information
to
query.
Basically,
I
think
everything
that
anybody
would
need
is
is
here
and
then,
if
there's
a,
if
there's,
if
I
miss
something,
it's
it's
open
source,
so
I'd
love
to
see,
pull
requests.
A
You
know
if
it's
justified
but
and
then
and
then
I
also
plan
to
add
a
json
rpc
interface,
so
that
you
can
query
these
same
endpoints
over
ipfs
to
a
remote
server.
C
A
Yeah,
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
expertise
with
graphql,
but
I
know
that
a
lot
of
people
love
it.
I've
also
heard
some
nightmares
in
terms
of
maintaining
a
graph
like
a
like
a
rest
api
server
that
includes
graphql,
queries
and
scaling
it
like
the
it's
basically
the
same
problem
that
the
jq
language
is.
It's
such
a
rich
query,
language
that
you
can
quickly
run
into
scaling
issues
because
front
end
developers
when
they
make
these
graphql
queries,
they're,
not
necessarily
thinking
about
the
computational
requirements.
A
A
But
but
the
way
that
you
know
the
way
that
we,
the
work,
is
we
just
kind
of
throw
things
out
into
the
space
and-
and
you
know,
wait
for
people
to
complain
about
it
so,
but,
but
that
being
said,
you're
I
like
your
intuition
and
your
instinct
about
graphql.
I
think
that
would
be
a
very,
very
healthy
addition
to
this.
I
just
personally,
don't
know
much
about
it
so,
but
if
someone
wants
to,
you
know
thinks
that's
important
and
wants
to
work
on
that,
I'm
totally
open
to
it.
C
It
will
be
interesting
this
I
think,
one
time
I
talked
about
this
at
the
graph,
it's
company
or
organization,
or
something
all
they
are
like
services.
Creating
sub
graphs
means
a
subset
of
graphql
to
to
some
like
some
service,
so
they
must
be
working
with
ethereum
like
compatible
stuff,
but
not
only.
I
saw
recently
they
added
like
mirror
and
some
other
blockchains.
So
it
will
be
interesting
if
they
can
use
this
rest
api
and
create
like
a
sub
graph
for
for
in
there
like
service.
C
So
how
to
see
it
will
be
easy.
If
there's
some
standard
like
front
end-
or
I
don't
know,
entry
point
using
this
like
rest,
but
for
graphql
users,
so
yeah.
C
A
Yeah
exactly-
and
I
think
that
I
mean
I
would
love
it
if
we
got
the
attention
of
the
company
behind
the
graph.
You
know
the
data's
there
if
anybody
wants
to
independently
index
this
stuff
and-
and
I
think
I
think
like
yeah-
do
if
someone
just
really
loves
graphql
and
they
think
that
that's
absolutely
needed
here.
A
I
love
the
idea
of
that
being
like
a
separate
software
box
like
a
separate
software
layer
that
that's
maybe
built
on
top
of
this,
so
you
just
build
like
a
graphql
interface
on
top
of
what
exists
here,
yeah
I'm
open
to
all
any
and
all
of
it.
I
it's
just
that.
Graphql
is
not
in
my
field
of
expertise,
so
I
would
definitely
need
some
help
on
that
one,
let's
see
back
to
so
yeah.
So
that's
that's
the
indexer,
oh
okay
and
then
again
to
riff
on
the
on
the
index
right
here.
A
The
full
stack
api
explorer
page.
That
is
right
here.
So
that's
it.
Full
stack,
dot,
cache,
explorer,
dash,
bch
n,
and
you
can
actually
pull
up
pages
for
well
test
net's,
not
supported
anymore.
I
need
to
remove
that
and
then
there's
the
ecash
abc
chain
that
these
endpoints
also
work
for,
if
you
scroll
down
the
bottom,
there's
this
new
psf
slp
section
and
you
can
you
can
just
exercise
those
four
endpoints.
A
So
if
you
just
if
you
have
say
a
token
transaction
id-
and
you
want
to
just
check
it
real,
quick
and
say
the
simple
ledger.info
block
explorer
is
down,
you
can
go
to
you
know
here
and
hit
this
post
and
try
it
out
and
then
just
replace
this
with
your
own
token
id
and
hit
execute,
and
so
this
is
like
a
a
live
interaction
with
the
with
the
token
indexer.
A
A
So
that's
been
updated.
That's
that's
available!
Now,
let's
go
here,
okay,
so
this
next
one
I'm
pretty
excited
about
this,
even
though
it's
a
little
buggy,
I'm
still
gonna
demo
it.
So
I
had
daniel
update
gab,
sorry,
gatsby
theme,
bch
wallet,
so
that's
our
gatsby
theme
and
then
we
also
have
the
the
bch
wallet
starter
and
in
fact,
if
you
go
to.
A
A
If
you
go
to
the
config
area
on
the
backend
server
by
default,
it
defaults
to
freebch.fullstack.cache,
which
is
the
the
web
3
sort
of
interface.
But
but
now
we
have
this,
this
additional
drop-down
list
of
other
back-end
servers
that
you
can
connect
to.
So
if
one's
down
you
can
just
easily
switch
to
another
one
and
and
keep
on
chugging
along
and
that
that
list
is
here
in
this
in
this
gist,
so
I've
set
up.
A
I
I
maintain
three
three
servers
there
and
this
really
cuts
to
the
difference
between
the
web
2
and
the
web
3
infrastructure.
So
the
web
2
infrastructure
is
a
server
that
we
pay
for
or
servers
that
we
pay
for
in
the
cloud
and
if
we
stop
paying
it
evaporates
and
if
the
government
doesn't
like
what
we're
doing,
they
send
a
you
know
a
letter
to
the
the
server
host
and-
and
we
don't-
we
may
not
even
know
about
it
and
our
stuff
just
evaporates
again.
A
So
these
are
three
servers
running
on
in
three
different
residential
homes,
on
standard
computers
with
a
fiber
optic
connection,
preferably-
and
so
these
are
three
that
I
maintain
so
the
one
I
have
here
at
home
and
then
two
of
friends
that
I
have
that
have,
let
me
just
set
computers
up
in
their
closet
because
they
have
a
nice
fiber
optic
connection.
So
this
is
this,
is
the
difference?
Is
I'm
I'm
not
paying
for
these
servers?
And
I
also
don't
have
rate
limits
because
I'd
like
bring
it
on
it's
fiber
optic
connection.
A
I
don't
and
the
I
also
don't
need
rate
limits
because
of
the
latency
of
going
through.
Ipfs
is
sort
of
its
own
natural
rate
limit,
but
yeah
so
anyways
like
anybody,
can
set
up
a
this.
All
the
to
run,
these
three
servers
is
only
costing
me
five
dollars
a
month,
because
all
I
need
is
a
five
dollar
a
month
cloud
connected
server
to
proxy
incoming
data
to
these
other
home
computers
over
ipfs.
A
So
instead
of
paying
250
a
month
for
this
equivalent
cloud
infrastructure,
I'm
paying
five
dollars
a
month
and-
and
I
own
the
hardware-
so
it's
it's
on
me
to
maintain
it,
but
but
my
monthly
cost
is
only
five
dollars
and
I
can
provide
all
this
value
to
the
community.
A
So
I'm
pretty
excited
about
that.
So
if
anybody
else
wants
to
do
the
same
thing
set
up
like
a
five
dollar
proxy
cloud
server
and
they
have
a
a
nice
fiber
optic
connection
and
a
400
desktop
computer
to
run
a
cache
stack,
I
can
add
you
to
this
list
and
everybody
who's
running
this
web
wallet
either
developing
their
own
software
using
our
demo
or
the
the
android
app
that
we're
that
we
are
maintaining
as
well.
A
Those
servers
will
just
magically
appear
in
this
list,
and
so,
if
someone's
using
the
web
app
and
it's
not
working
properly,
they
can
just
go
to
the
config
tab.
Switch
to
a
different
backend
server
and
in
case
keep
trying
until
they
can
achieve,
you
know,
keep
it
working.
So
it's
I'm.
This
is.
This
is
resilient.
Some
you
know,
there's
efficiency
and
the
opposite
of
efficiency
is
oftentimes
resilience,
and
so
this
is
going
to
make
our
our
web
apps
very
resilient,
and
I'm
very
excited
about
that.
B
A
Yeah,
so
I
I'm
not
able
to
get
fiber
here
as
well,
but
I
was
able
to
purchase
a
second
internet
line,
so
so
I
I
have
a
second
internet,
that's
just
dedicated,
so
I
don't
care
it
like
it.
Can't
it's
segregated
from
this.
That's
why
it's
not
interfering
with
the
zoom
call
and
that
turned
out
to
be
a
lot
cheaper
than
running
all
the
cloud
infrastructure
and
I
can
expand
it
at
no
additional
cost.
A
You
know,
in
terms
of
the
value
I'm
able
to
pipe
over
that
that
pipe
so
yeah
pretty
pretty
excited
about
that
updated
via
the
gist
we'll
have
a
new
android
app
out
the
apk
file
out
soon.
That
will
include
this
update
so
that
you'll
be
able
to
do
that
within
the
android
app.
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
that
concludes
the
basically
the
tech
update
so
I'll
just
give
an
update
on
the
decks.
The
the
I've
updated
the
specifications
and
the
developer
docs,
so
in
particular,
there's
there's
the
avex
decks,
the
bch
decks
and
the
ecash
decks,
and
so
I'm
I
am
personally
working
on
the
bch
decks.
A
Gary
is
working
on
the
avalanche,
decks
and
he's
gotten
ahead
of
me,
and
so
now
I'm
in
the
process
of
porting
his
features
and
bringing
the
the
bitcoin
cash
and
e-cash
decks
up
to
feature
parody
with
that,
and
so
as
a
as
a
step
in
that
direction.
I've
updated
these
developer
docs.
So
if
you
go
to
bch
decks,
it's
in
the
dev
docs
directory
and
there's
a
couple
readmes
there's
a
specification
document
that
calls
out
like
the
database
models
and
the
rest
api
endpoints
and
how
they're
used
the
developer.
A
This
image
sort
of
lays
out
the
data
flow,
so
there's
a
client
which
is
either
like
a
web
app
or
a
command
line,
app
like
psf,
bch
wallet
and
then
the
bch
dex
is
actually
composed
of
a
local
database
and
rest
api
and
then
and
then
a
local
instance
of
the
pay
to
write
database,
and
so
these
these
are
actually
set
up
in
a
docker
container.
So
the
final
production
version
of
this
will
be.
A
You
know
a
a
web
server,
the
bch
dex
and
a
paid
right
database
would
be
three
containers
and
you'll
spin
up
and
then
you'll
just
navigate
to
it
with
a
with
a
web
browser
and
that'll
and
that'll
be
your
user
interface.
But
what
this
is
showing
is
that
the
client
doesn't
interact
directly
with
the
paid
write
database.
The
bch
deck
sits
as
a
middleman
in
between
them,
and
so
the
paid
right
database
is
this:
it's
basically
a
blockchain-like
database.
A
It's
got
the
censorship,
resistant
qualities
of
a
blockchain
and,
and
it
the
data
coordinates
using
consensus
rules
like
a
blockchain
but
you're
able
to
store
way
more
data
in
it
than
than
a
than
you
would
on
a
blockchain
and,
and
so
what
bch
dex
does
is
it
sort
of
it
has
the
ability
to
pull
that
data
and
filter
that
data,
and
so
whoever
wants
whoever's
running
this
bch
decks,
whether
they're
running
for
themselves
or,
for
you
know
a
community
of
users.
A
They
can
have
better
control
over
the
the
the
look
and
feel
they
can.
They
can
moderate
things
they
can
filter
out
things
that
they
they
don't
want
their
users
to
see,
but
everyone's
free
to
run
their
own
version
and
see
it.
However,
they
want
to
see
it,
so
it's
sort
of
moderation
as
a
service.
That's
that's
the
idea
here,
but
ultimately,
the
paterai
database
is
this
highly
censorship
resistant?
You
know
that
the
data
is
there
and
no
one
can
take
the
data
down,
because
it's
got
these
blockchain-like
properties
and
I
thought
it
would.
A
It
was
worth
just
spending
a
minute
on
these
definitions,
so
this
process
of
of
order,
creation
and
there's
three
phases:
there's
you
make
it
make
an
order.
You
take
an
order
and
then
you
accept
an
order.
So
an
order
can
be
either
a
buy
or
a
sell
order.
So
you
can
place
an
order
because
you
want
to
buy
tokens
or
because
you
want
to
sell
tokens,
but
there's
basically
these
three
phases,
some
the
someone
makes
an
offer
and
they
put
that
out
there
on
the
into
the
database.
A
And
then
you
browse
the
orders
and
you
take
an
offer
by
making
a
counter
offer
and
then
that
original
maker
will
either
accept
or
reject
by
by
signing
the
final
transaction
and
broadcasting
it,
and
so
this
makes
it
trustless
and
atomic.
So
I
wanted
to
define
those
because
a
lot
of
people
are
like
question
mark
when
they
hear
those
words.
A
Trustless
means
that
neither
party
can
screw
over
the
other
party
because
they
each
have
an
opportunity
to
review
the
terms
of
the
trade
and
once
the
taker
creates
the
partially
signed
transaction,
the
maker
cannot
change
it.
It's
all
basically
fixed
all.
They
can
do
is
sign
it
and
broadcast
it
or
or
not
do
that,
and
so
that
also
so,
so,
neither
so
that's
what
makes
it
trustless
and
then
it's
also
atomic
and
that
the
trade
happens
in
one
single
transaction.
A
So
it
either
happens
or
it
doesn't
happen,
there's
no
middle
state
where
the
trade
can
get
stuck
or
censored.
There's
no
intermediary
that
can
the
state
can
apply
pressure
to
and
then
there's
other
definitions
here
which
I've
kind
of
covered
is
like
an
order,
is
internal
to
the
system.
A
So
when
you,
when,
like
what
you
do
the
way
the
dex
works
is
it
has
its
own
wallet,
and
this
is
why
it's
more
and
more
tailored
for
like
individual
usage,
rather
than
like
a
com
website
running
a
website
with
multiple
users
is
the
the
dex
in
its
current
incarnation
and
for
the
foreseeable
future
it
has
its
own
wallet.
A
So
you
you
put
the
tokens
you
want
to
sell
into
the
app's
wallet
and
then
you'll
be
able
to
create
an
an
offer
and
the
the
difference
between
an
offer
and
order
is
the
order
tracks
like
so.
Let's
say
you
want
to
sell
10
trap
tokens:
well
the
app's
going
to
take
those
10
tokens
and
they're
going
to
put
them
into
a
new
address
like
an
hd.
A
It
has
an
hd
wallet,
so
it's
going
to
create
a
new
ad
key
pair
and
and
move
those
tokens
and
create
a
segregated,
utxo,
so
they're
separate
and
they're.
They
exist
there
and
then
the
app's
going
to
manage
that
and-
and
so
that's
what
makes
an
order
different
from
an
offer
is
an
order
is
internal
and
it's
tracking
things
like
the
hd
index,
where
those
those
tokens
live
while
they're
waiting
for
someone
to
take
the
other
side
of
the
order.
A
The
offer
is
the
public
part
that
goes
out
to
the
pay
to
write
database
and
everybody
sees
that
and
all
the
bch
decks
is
on
the
network,
track
the
offers,
and
then
that's
what
you
browse
with
the
web
user
interface.
Is
you
browse
all
the
offers
on
the
network
if
you
find
one
that
you
like
you
can
hit
take
and
that
will
generate
a
counter
offer,
which
is
a
partially
signed
transaction
that
goes
to
the
paid
write
database
and
then
the
the
makers
bch
deck
software
will
be
will
be.
A
It
already
knows
the
orders
that
it's
managing
so
it'll
watch
for
incoming
counter
offers
and
when
it
sees
one
it'll
it'll
check
to
make
sure
that
no
funny
business
is
going
on
and
if
it
passes
that
check,
it'll,
sign
it
and
broadcast
it
and
the
trade
is
complete
and
so
yeah.
That's
that's.
Basically
it
a
nutshell.
A
If
anybody
wants
to
get
more
nitty
gritty
details
they're
down
there,
but
we're
pretty
close,
I've
got
a
lot
of
other
work
that
I
need
to
do
first,
but
before
I
can
keep
pushing
forward
with
this,
but
I'm
really
excited
to
be
able
to
create.
I
have
some
ideas
for
some
nfts
that
I
shared
with
you
guys
in
the
last
meeting
and
be
able
to
put
them
up
for
sale
in
the
marketplace,
and
this
is
one
of
the.
B
Things
I'll
just
say:
well,
the
big
one
of
the
big
differences
is
that
there
isn't
requiring
this
huge
liquidity
pool
of
stuff
like
most
decks,
have
to
have
a
whole
bunch
of
people,
and
a
lot
of
you
know
sometimes
millions
of
dollars
of
backing
before
it
even
works.
This
allows
even
small
type
thing.
You
know
even
like
you
know,
17
trout
tokens
to
go
out
there
without
having
to
have
a
huge
liquidity.
So
so
this
is
a
really
new
concept,
I
think
indexes.
B
A
Yeah,
this
type
of
trust
like
a
trustless
atomic
trading.
It's
been
theorized
since
the
early
days
of
bitcoin,
but
there's
been
very
few
actual
implementations
of
this
I
mean
I
didn't
come
up
with
this.
I
mean
vin.
Armani
didn't
come
up
with
it,
but
he
pau.
He
polished
this
idea
and
I
took
it
from
him.
B
A
Return
yeah
in
his
his
his
idea
of
the
implementation
is
much
simpler
because
everything's
on
chain,
you
don't
need
this
extra
piece
of
infrastructure,
which
is
the
payroll
database,
but
at
scale.
I
don't
think
that
is
very.
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
putting
all
that
data
on
the
blockchain,
so
right
plus
by
maintaining
this
I
mean
this-
is
just
one
application
of
the
paydirect
database
right
and-
and
that's
this
this.
You
know
that
I've
gone
over
this
before
the
paid
right
database.
A
It's
both
a
solution
to
this
data
problem,
but
it's
also
a
for
a
monetization
generation
thing
for,
for
our
community
is
if
we
are
in
charge
of
maintaining
this
paid
right
database
and
it's
used
for
applications
like
this,
but
certainly
not
limited
to
this.
That
is
going
to
generate
a
cash
flow
which
will
complete
the
economic
circle
that
we
need
to.
A
A
You
know
like
you,
could
someone
could
just
set
one
of
these
up
and
be
like
yeah
I'll
offer?
You
know
a
hundred
dollars
at
of
stable
coins
at
one
percent
above
the
spot
price
of
bch,
and
then
I'll
offer
another
hundred
dollars
at
two
percent
above
the
spot
price
and
another
hundred
dollars
at
five.
You
know
so
you
just
set
these
orders
and
then
you
walk
away
and
the
app
will
handle
everything
you
check
on
it
every
once
in
a
while
to
see
if
you
need
to
top
up
your
balances.
A
C
A
Yeah
so
there's
a
couple
places
where
mongodb
is
used.
There
is
there's
a
mongodb
in
the
paid
right
database
and
then
there's
vb
and
vch
deck,
so
bch
dex
only
has
the
mongodb,
and
so
it
needs
a
database.
It
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
be
mongodb,
but
it
needs
to
have
the
app
needs
to
have
its
own
database
for
tracking
those
internal
orders,
and
so
that's
why
it
uses
it.
The
paid
right
database
uses
a
mongodb
because.
A
When
you
start
orbitdb,
it's
going
to
check
all
the
entries
in
its
database
to
see
like
what
it
has
and
what
it
doesn't
have
in
order
to
synchronize
with
with
all
the
other
orbit
dbs
on
the
network,
because
this
peer-to-peer
database
that
synchronizes
and
and
part
of
the
consent,
what
the
biggest
change
we
made
to
orbit
db
to
create
the
pay
to
write
database
is
the
consensus
rule
which
says
you
have
to
provide
proof
of
burn
in
order
to
write
to
the
database
and
and
that's
a
very
like
intensive
process
to
do
to
do
that
check.
A
So
we
cache
the
results
in
mongodb.
So
when
orbitdb
starts
up
and
it
does
this
every
time
it
starts
up
rather
than
going
through
and
and
re-verifying
all
the
entries
in
the
database,
it
just
checks
the
mongodb,
the
local
mongodb
cache
to
be
like,
oh
yeah.
This
was
valid.
I
already
checked
that
I
don't
need
to
check
it
again,
and
so
it
it
has
a
much
much
faster
startup
with
or
so.
That's
that's
why
we
need
a
local
mongodb
in
the
payrate
database.
C
Was
it
like
just
like
saving
some
state,
we
would
be
better,
for
example,
to
pay
for
radius.
You
know
this
guy.
A
A
Yeah
yeah
I
mean
yeah,
we
could
use
a
different
database.
My
experience
is
that
works
pretty
good.
When
it's,
when
it's
small
and
in
these
cases
it's
pretty
small,
we
could
use
a
different
database.
The
in
I
don't
know
if
reedus
would
would
like
something
like
leveldb
or
or
does
rita,
save
data
to
the
drive,
or
is
it
just
an
in
memory.
C
A
Yeah
yeah
and
that
might
be
an
upgrade.
We
do
down
the
road.
I
don't
think
we're.
Gonna
have
scaling
issues
for
quite
a
while
and
and
then
that's
when
we
can
revisit
this.
The
the
biggest
reason
why
I
chose
to
go
with
was
just
a
legacy.
A
This
software
is
based
on
software.
That
was
already
packaged
with
the
mongodb
database,
and
I
had
all
the
the
code,
like
like
user
management
and
rate
limiting
and
a
lot
of
the
other
rest
api
stuff
like
this
was
this
was
part
of
a
boilerplate
that
I've
used
for
years,
and
that
includes
mongodb.
So
I
just
I
used
it
because
I
didn't
want
to
take
the
extra
effort
to
I
wasn't.
I
wasn't
like
starting
this
from
scratch.
A
I
was
starting
it
from
a
fairly
already
complete,
boilerplate,
app
and
so
yeah,
and
so
it's
just
I'm
always
looking
for
for
shortcuts.
So
that's
mainly
why
we
use
I
and
again,
like
I
said
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
run
into
the
kinds
of
scaling
issues
that
are
typical
for
mongodb
in
this
use
case.
But
if
we
do,
I
think
pretty
much
everything
is
essentially
or
could.
A
If
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
key
value
store
right
now,
but
everything
could
be
converted
to
a
key
value
store
fairly
easily
and
then
we
could
use
something
like
redus
or
level
db,
but
yeah
I
just
I
don't
want
to
fix
something
if
it's
not
broke.
C
A
It'll
run
on
a
raspberry
pi
4.,
the
the
4
4
4.4
requires
a
64-bit
system.
You
can't
run
so
you
can't
run
it
on
a
pi
2
and
it
doesn't
pi.
3S
can
can
run
64-bit,
but
not
very
well,
but
but
then
the
pi
4
will
run
mongodb
just
fine.
I
I
actually
ran
this
app
on
on
my
pi
400.
A
But
yeah,
I
agree
like
that.
It
kind
of
sucks
that
if,
if
this
was,
if
we
spent
a
little
time
optimizing,
this
then
yeah
it
could
run
on
like
say
a
pi
3
or
maybe
even
a
pi,
2
or
equivalent
computation.
A
Let's
see
yeah
and
so
there's
a
take
button.
I
don't
have
a
demo
for
that
yet,
but
there's
a
ui
that
where
you
can
browse
the
orders
coming
in
and
then
you
know
you
can
hit
this
take
button
to
take
the
orb,
take
the
other
side
of
the
order,
so
that
ui
has
been
generated.
We
don't
really
have
the
logic
behind
it.
Working
or
everything
wired
up
yet
and
yeah.
Bch
dex
is
rapidly
catching
up
to
feature
parody
with
avalex
avex
dex,
and
then
I've
updated
the
bchjs
examples
repository.
A
It
now
has
like
an
ecash
directory,
and
I
did
that
because
the
the
main
two
differences
right
now
from
a
developer
perspective
between
bch
and
ecash,
is
the
the
re-denomination
from
satoshi's
to
bits
and
the
the
the
address
prefix
from
bitcoin
cash
to
ecash
on
a
on
an
address
and
so
those
examples,
just
sort
of
show
how
to
work
around
those
two
changes,
and
so
with
that
being
identified.
A
A
Hopefully,
by
that
point,
we'll
have
a
multi-sig
minting
workflow
worked
out
so
that
we
can
set
up
a
minting
counselor
for
the
psf
token,
and
then
we've
already
got
the
bridges
code
complete
so
that
we
could
move
the
psf
token
across
the
the
bridges
for
the
three,
the
three
blockchains,
and
I
think,
if,
if
we,
if
we
had
all
those
in
place,
then
the
psf
token
would
become
incredibly
valuable
as
a
medium
for
value
exchange
across
the
three
chains
which
can
easily
be
be
bought
and
sold
on
any
of
the
three
chains.
C
Yeah
I
I
could
see,
I
take
a
look
on
the
sam's.
Try
I
I
was
hoping
he
will
come
today,
so
we
can
talk
more
because
he
was
just
like
last
minute
on
the
previous
meeting.
A
C
So
he
was
trying
to
use
like
c
core
signatures
for
the
multiseek.
So
maybe,
if
you
try
with
the
this
elliptic
curves,
it
can
be
maybe
possible
to
create
a
transaction.
I
don't
know
yeah.
A
We
just,
and
I
want
to
dig
deeper
into
those
those
unit
tests
that
you
found
that
seem
to
be
doing
multi-signature
transactions.
I
just
haven't
had
time
to
do
that.
It
looks
like
there
might
be
something
there
that
we
can
use
already.
C
Yeah,
maybe
it's
the
there
was
a
little
dick
was
so
deep
inside
some
like
I
know,
and
there
was
like
p
two
m
s
like
I
don't
know
very
strange.
A
Yeah
because
there's
there's,
what's
the
the
normal
one,
pay
paid
paid
a
script
hash
and
then
there's
paid
a
pub
hash
and
then
there's
there's
like
four
or
five
of
them,
but,
like
you
know
almost
really,
it's
just
the
pay
description
pay
to
pub
hash
that
are
that
are
yeah.
I
think
pay
to
pub
hash
is
the
normal
one
and
paid
a
script.
Hash
is
when
you're
like
a
multi-sig
when
you're
doing
a
script.
C
I
think
it's
p2
sh
means
p
to
script.
Hash.
A
A
But
there
was.
C
Like
example,
for
sending
to
multi
signature
wallet,
maybe.
A
Yeah,
there's
just
made
a
multi-sig
and
that's
the
one
that's
not
used
like
that's
the
old-school
way
of
doing
multi-sig.
I,
if
I'm
remembering
correctly,
like
I'm,
also
fuzzy
on
this.
I
always
relied
on
gabriel
to
keep
this
stuff
straight.
A
We'll
get
figured
out
we'll
get
it
figured
out
in
time.
You
know
there,
but
those
are
the
three
main
major
pieces
like
if
we
could
get
the
bridges
and
the
decks
and
the
multi-sig
all
working,
then
man,
I
think
we
could
make
the
psf
token
incredibly
valuable
and-
and
you
know
unsensible,
that's
it's
all.
It's
not
worth
anything.
If
you
can't
make
it
if
you,
if,
if
the
state
can
just
come
along
and
arrest,
one
of
us.
A
A
This
d
platforming
thing
is
getting
so
nuts
I
mean
I
I
shared
this
with
you,
but
but
I'll
just
repeat
it
like
I,
I
as
soon
as
soon
as
we
get
the
decks
rolled
out,
things
have
been
progressing
really
well
with
the
mutable
data,
and
so
I
just
I
love
the
idea
of
creating
an
nft
where
that
becomes.
I
mean
this
is
really
just
a
play
on
the
the
hackathon
thing
that
you
created
stoyan
for
the
decentralized
dns
like
that
same
idea
of
creating
this
tree
structure.
A
So
it's
like
all
the
content
that
I
put
out.
You
could
look
up
one
single
group,
token
id
and
find
all
the
nfts
that
were
generated
from
it
and
each
one
could
be
like
this.
Video
could
be
an
nft
and
then
it
could
list
like
here's
where
it
lives
on
youtube.
Here's
where
it
lives
on
library,
here's
where
it
lives
on
a
file
coin
and
all
the
different
places
where
you
can.
You
can
find
this
content.
A
I
just
think
that's
so
needed
right
now,
and
I
mean
it.
I
think
the
road
to
hell
is
paved
with
good
intentions.
You
know
like,
I
think,
that
all
this
deep
platforming
and
censorship
is
coming
from
a
place
of
good
intent,
but
it's
just
the
the
outcomes
are
horrible,
like
nobody
knows
what's
going
on,
nobody
can
trust
it.
I
don't
trust
the
mainstream
media.
I
don't
trust
the
government.
I
don't
think
anybody
does,
because
we
have
no
way
like
of
fact
checking
the
fact
checkers.
We
have
no
way
of.
C
Yeah
we
was
talking
with
aaron
previous
week
exactly
about
these
things
and
yeah.
I
I
saw
some
videos
like
one
of
the
first
thing
when
the
financial
system
is
crashing,
is
losing
the
trust
because
all
of
the
fiat
ideas
based
on
trust
like
if
you
trust
the
the
the
government,
the
banks,
then
the
fiat
system
come.
But
if
you
don't
trust
them,
it's
like
yeah
this
money,
not
let's
see
yeah.
If
you
don't
close,
the
financial
system
is
crushed
so.
A
I've
been,
you
know,
I've
there's
a
couple
telegram
channels.
I've
been
following
of
canadians
a
lot
that
whole
trucker
like
thing,
not
the
trucker
thing,
but
the
government
response
to
the
trucker
thing
caused
a
lot
of
canadians
to
get
the
hell
out
of
canada
and
a
lot
of
them
are
choosing
to
go
to
mexico
and
playa
del
carmen
on
the
yucatan
peninsula.
In
particular,
I
have
discovered,
has
a
really
healthy
population
of
both
u.s
and
canadian
expatriates
and
a
very
healthy
cryptocurrency
adoption
down
there.
A
Playa
del
carmen,
it's
it's
on
the
yucatan
peninsula,
so
mexico
kind
of
is
like
shaped
like
a
like
a
quest
or
like
a
j
or
like
a
fish
hook,
and
so
you
know,
there's
the
south
america,
like
south
of
mexico
is
south
america,
but
mexico
kind
of
heads
east
out
into
the
gulf
of
mexico
right
tour
and
torpedo
yeah.
I.
A
B
A
Well,
the
town
itself
playa
del
carmen
and
there's
a
couple
telegram
channels
that
I
just
managed
to
like
through
chance
like
get
get
in
there
and
and
so
they
have,
they
have
like
meetups,
where
they
educate
each
other,
about
different
crypto
projects
and
buy
and
sell
crypto
and
and
and
then
there's
like
this
whole
real
estate
side
of
it.
And
it's
really
yeah
it's
it's.
B
Border-
I
I
I
spent
some
time
in
without
and
some
of
these
other
cities-
and
it's
not
a
safe
spot
anywhere
in
between
this
is
a
much
better
place
to
be
yeah.
A
Yeah
yeah
exactly
so,
and
that's
just
one
one
spot.
So
that's
that's
what
I
love
you
know
we're
talking
about.
A
What
got
me
talking
about
this
was
that
what
you
mentioned
stoing
about
how
fiat
currency
is
all
based
on
trust,
and
I'm
just
I
the
thing
that
the
media
wants
you
to
focus
on
which
at
the
current
moment
is
ukraine
and
russia
is
like,
if
you,
if
you
ignore
that
and
start
looking
around
like
it's
just
it's
getting
so
impressive,
how
the
grassroots
adoption,
like,
I
didn't
even
know
about
playa
del
carmen.
It's
a
big
thing
and
I
knew
about
argentina.
A
I
knew
that
there
was
a
lot
of
grassroots
adoption
in
argentina
and
it's
just
and-
and
I
I'm
just
really
excited
about
all
the
all
this
all
this
adoption
and
how
powerless
the
governments
are
to
stop
it.
You
know
the
minute:
they
think
that
they
have
something
to
focus
on
there's
a
hundred
other
things
happening
that
they
don't
even
know
about.
C
Like
before
sometime,
I
saw
one
video
about
the
bubble
in
japan.
If
you
remember,
there
was
like
some
riemann
shock
or
something,
but
it
mostly
how
to
see.
The
recent
facts
are
that
the
bankers
themselves
make
this,
because
they
wanted
to
change
the
system
from
the
worldwide
bank
system
to
the
more
like
current
one.
So
they
start
giving
a
lot
of
like
money
to
the
people.
But
after
this
they
wanted
this
money
back.
C
So
the
system
crashed
and
in
this
video
was
mentioned,
that
every
reform
financial
reform
need
a
crisis
because
everybody's,
like
the
old
stuff
right.
B
C
If
you
look
on
the
current
status,
it's
exactly
the
same.
It's
like
how
to
see
this
printing
of
new
money
was
just
to
everybody,
know
it's
crazy,
but
it's
continued
to
crush
the
system,
so
they
can
implement
the
new
one,
and
my
concern
was
that
the
new
one
will
be
sbdc,
which
is
the
new
wave
for
the
government
to
be
in
how
to
see
to
to
follow
these
changes
in
crypto,
which
is
like
pretty
scary
but
yeah.
I
think
it
will
happen
soon.
A
Yeah,
this
is
why
I'm
so
focused
on
south
america,
because
the
every
every
fiat
currency
dies
the
same
way.
There's
no
there's
no
variation
to
it
there,
it
all
every
fiat
currency
dies
exactly
the
same
way.
They
go
through
the
same
phases
and
and
we're
currently
in
that.
Like
way
too
far
to
turn
back
now,
and-
and
you
know
this-
the
big
thing
that's
looming
is
that
the
us
and
russia,
both
because
they've
decided
to
not
play
together
anymore.
A
They
have
to
now
reconfigure
all
their
supply
chains
to
be
more
locally
resilient
and
that's
going
to
cause
a
lot
of
pain.
It's
going
to
take
a
decade
to
do
that,
and
south
america
has
already
been
operating
that
way.
A
They
don't
have
to
change
anything
they're,
like
virtually
other
than
their
dollar
denominated
debts,
which
a
lot
of
them
have
infrastruct
like
in
terms
of
infrastructure
and
supply
chains
like
none
of
that
has
to
change,
and-
and
so
I
really
think
like
globally,
like
in
terms
of
freedom
and
economic
opportunity
over
the
next
decade.
A
C
Cozy,
for
example,
venezuela
have
one
of
the
biggest
oil
I
think
fields,
but
they
can
process
it
only
in
u.s.
I
think
there's
some
special
machines,
yeah.
A
They
don't
have
refineries
and
they
seem
to
be
incapable
of
keeping
the
refineries.
They
do
have
operational
and
I
mean
like
if
they,
if
they
could
somehow
get
their
act
together
and
solve
that
problem,
they
would
have
done
that.
So
all
they
had
was
crude.
B
A
I
well
you
know
some.
This
is
another
like
super
fascinating
thing
that
has
gotten
zero
media
coverage
is
my
understanding
is
that
iran
has
refineries.
They
also
have
some
crude,
but
they
don't
nearly
as
much
as
venezuela.
Venezuela
has
crude,
but
no
refineries
they're,
both
under
sanctions
from
the
us,
so
they've
been
sending
cargo
ships
back
and
forth,
and
exchanging
refined
oil
for
crude
oil
and
making
up
the
difference
in
bitcoin,
because
both
countries
are
comfortable
using
btc
bitcoin,
so
they
use
my
understanding.
C
A
Yeah
yeah,
well,
you
know
the
thing
is:
is
I
believe
that
a
sovereign
country
is
a
sovereign
country
and
they
get
to
do
whatever
they
want
to
do?
But
I
also
you
know
to
counterbalance
balance
the
extreme
horrible
end
of
that.
A
Now
that
a
citizen
in
any
country
can
liquidate
their
net
worth
and
literally
walk
out
of
the
country
with
their
net
worth
in
their
head
is
going
to
put
a
check
on
that
sort
of
extreme.
You
know
like
I
don't
want
to
be
in
russia
right
now.
I
don't
want
to
be
in
north
korea
like
I.
I
still
believe
that
they
are
sovereign
countries
that
should
be
able
to
make
whatever
rules
they
want,
but
I
also
believe
their
citizens
should
be
allowed
to
leave
well.
That
is,
I.
B
C
B
I'm
actually
reading
it
right
now,
yeah.
It
really
feels
like
it
can
happen
because
of
exactly
what
you
just
said
up
to
that
point.
There
was
no
mechanism.
There
was
no
way
to
make
it
real,
so
I'm
glad
you're
reading
that,
because
that
one
right
there
convinced
me
entirely
about
the
importance
of
the
individual
sovereignty
of
the
person
and
how
the
government
should
be
looking
for
how
to
how
to
treat
those
as
customers
and
not
prisoners.
A
This
is
why
playa
del
carmen
caught
my
attention,
because
this
is
like
a
manifestation
of
that
exact
ideas
like
canadians,
like
not
a
ton
of
canadians,
but
you
know,
even
one
percent
is
a
huge
number.
I
mean
they're,
they're,
leaving
and
and
people
need-
and
it's
not
just
canada,
like
every
country
like
people
are
leaving
the
countries
they
don't
like
they're,
taking
their
money
with
them
and
they're
going
to
the
countries.
They
do
like
the
sad
part
about
it
too.
For
the
country.
B
A
A
Over
the
course
of
your
life
and
so
yeah,
I
mean
still
in
a
in
a
way
this
whole
circle
in
the
toilet,
bowl
that
fiat
currency
is
doing
right.
Now
we
don't
get
to
choose
the
and,
like
I
don't
think
it
matters
who
the
president
is
like.
I
think
that
the
dye
has
been
cast
that
you
know
the
front
of
the
trains
already
hit
the
cliff,
but
we're
in
the
caboose
waiting
for
the
shock
wave
to
hit
us.
A
You
know,
there's
no
change
in
the
facts
like
and
there's
no
change
in
the
trend,
just
as
individuals
we
we
can
decide
like
which
car
on
the
train
to
be
in
or
to
jump
off.
The
train.
B
You
know
I'll
just
say
you
know.
The
other
side
of
this
is
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
this
whole
foundation
is
here,
because
you
want
to
also
give
not
only
a
mechanism
for
money
to
be
able
to
transfer,
but,
like
even
alex
gladstein
wrote
the
book
that
he
just
put
out
called
check
your
financial
privilege
right.
We
live
in
the
u.s,
we
can
transact
with
anybody.
That's
not
true
for
everybody
in
the
world.
How
do
you
build
something
that
you
can
communicate
that
you
can
transact?
B
Doesn't
matter
where
you
live
without
all
of
this,
so
I
mean,
I
think
we
all
need
to
check,
not
only
our
financial
privilege,
but
our
ability
to
communicate
privilege.
You
know,
I
think
those
are
more
important
than
you
know,
other
privileges
that
have
been
locked
out
people
over
time
because
we
don't
choose.
You
need
to
figure
out
some
way,
and
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
we're
working
on
with
the
psf.
A
Yeah
yeah
juan
bennett,
the
the
founder
of
protocol
labs
and
ipfs
and
filecoin
he
he
talks
about
superpowers.
He's
got
a
couple
youtube
videos
where
he
talks
about
how
software
is
like
a
superpower,
and
so
you
know,
I
think
our
jobs
as
technologists
is
to
is
to
not
check
our
privilege
but
to
make
sure
that
we
can
give
those
privileges
to
everyone,
and
you
know
to
to
make
it
possible
for
someone
in
in
mainland
china
to
send
an
encrypted
message
as
well
as
money
to
someone
outside
of
china.
B
Absolutely
I
I
the
check
the
privilege
is
the
people
that
say:
oh
you,
you
don't
need
this
stuff.
We
don't
need
that
stuff.
No
think
about
your
position.
If
you
don't,
if
you're
not
aware
of
it,
then
you're
not
going
to
think
that
this
is
anything
so
yeah.
I
don't
mean
that
we
need
to.
I
I
feel
like
this
is
exactly
what
we're
focusing
on
right
right,
right.
A
All
right:
well,
let's
go
ahead
and
wrap
it
up.
I
think
I'm
just
going
to
end
the
zoom
call,
because
I'm
not
sure
how
to
do
what
aaron
does
which
is
like
yeah,
so
I
don't
appreciate
you
guys,
making
it
and
and
yeah
we'll
I'll,
see
you
in
a
couple
weeks
and
I'll
be
online
in
the
meantime,.