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From YouTube: Committee on Rules - Philadelphia City Council 10-21-15
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The Philadelphia City Council Committee on Rules Public Hearing held on October 21, 2015.
A
Morning,
everybody:
this
is
the
committee
on
rules.
First,
we
have
obtained
a
quorum
councilman
good
vice
chair
of
the
committee
councilman
henan
councilwoman
tasco
and
Councilman
O'brien
and
myself
bill
Greenlee.
First,
let
me
know
for
the
record.
Excuse
me
the
bill
number
150
649,
which
is
the
Rittenhouse
Square
zoning
issue
will
be
held
until
our
next
committee
hearing,
which
is
Oh
member
16
2015,
miss
Marconi.
Could
you
read
the
first
bill
before
us
today
bill.
C
Councilman
greenlee
members
of
the
Rules
Committee,
a
Mardi
Gras
gorski
division,
director
of
the
development
division
of
the
Philadelphia
City
Planning
Commission,
here
to
testify
on
bill
number
156
45,
which
was
introduced
in
the
City
Council
in
September
10th
2015
by
councilmember
Greenlee
bill
number
156
45
amends
the
technical
requirements
for
recording
a
lot
adjustment
or
subdivision
with
the
Department
of
records.
This
bill
was
drafted
at
the
request
of
the
Department
of
records
to
clarify
what
is
needed
for
such
a
submission
and
is
consistent
with
the
actual
procedures
that
are
currently
being
used.
C
City
Planning
Commission
believes
that
this
bill
will
cure
some
of
the
confusion
that
applicants
face
when
recording
these
plans.
Philadelphia
City
Planning
Commission
at
its
meeting
of
October
20th
2015,
recommended
bill
number
156
45
for
approval
now
I
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
at
this
time.
Thank.
A
D
Sure,
good
morning,
what
I
also
am
here
today
to
show
support
for
a
bill
number
15
0645.
My
name
is
Joan
Decker
I
serve
as
the
records
commissioner,
and
this
bill
will
address
requirements
for
deeds
and
survey
plans
in
the
event
of
the
subdivision
or
consolidation
of
and
with
your
approval.
I
will
just
summarize
what
this
bill
will
require
is
the
submission
of
the
deed
of
either
consolidation
or
subdivision,
accompanied
by
an
approved,
serve
a
plan
or
final
plat.
Whenever
the
lot
lines
for
a
property,
the
land
component
are
changed.
This
will
address.
D
Some
of
the
confusion
is
Marty
pointed
out
that
we
really
are
experiencing
in
the
public
record
without
this
revision.
The
impact
would
be
that
the
information
on
the
public
record,
which
is
where
the
public
and
many
of
the
real
estate
practitioners
referred,
the
repository
for
land
data.
The
information
will
not
be
accurate
and
current.
That
means
that
there
might
have
been
on
the
on
the
ground
in
reality,
changes
in
the
dimensions
and
size
of
a
piece
of
property.
D
We
would
not
have
the
current
owners
named
the
correct
dimensions
or
the
date
of
any
changes
or
transfers.
So
this
this
bill
will
actually
cure
and
correct
some
of
these
issues.
The
these
issues
create
a
lot
of
complex
issues
later
when
there
is
a
pending
transaction,
which
then
requires
using
a
legal
assistance,
attorneys
involvement
and
it
increases
the
cost
and
also
delays
the
pending
a
transaction
complete
completion.
D
The
best
example
that
I
can
use
is
that
of
a
it
was
a
real
life
example
of
a
property
owner
who
sold
off
an
adjacent
lot
that
he
owned
to
a
neighbor
and
the
neighbor.
Then
theoretically
owns
the
larger
piece
of
land
and
the
new
owner
paid
taxes
on
the
entire
parcel.
However,
the
correct
documents
were
not
filed
and
the
existing
prior
owner
actually
reflected
still
owning
the
larger
piece
of
property.
D
This
really
helps
us
to
resolve
a
lot
of
the
complex
issues
that
sometimes
delays
sales
and
increase
costs
for
the
homeowner,
and
it
will
reflect
more
accurate
information
on
the
public
record
and
I
wanted
to
thank
you,
councilman
Greenlee,
for
your
support
and
for
introducing
this
legislation
to
the
committee
as
chair
and
I.
Thank
you
for
helping
us
to
improve
the
recording
process
in
the
Department
of
records.
I
am
very
glad
to
be
able
to
testify
on
behalf
of
this
bill
and
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
Okay.
A
Thank
you
Thank
You,
commissioner
and
mr.
Gorsky
Commissioner.
Thank
you
for
all
the
work
you're
doing
there
I
know
it's
a
we've
gone
through
a
lot
of
issues
there
and,
and
things
keep
steadily
improving
and
I.
Think
this
bill
also
is
a
will
improve
both
for
your
department
and
for
the
public
and
just
for
the
record.
D
Sure
I'm
a
good
morning
Councilwoman.
Yes,
what
happens
is
when
a
property
is
subdivided
or
consolidated
and
transferred
to
either
to
a
different
owner
the
without
the
proper
legal
documented
d,
which
is
legal
representation
of
the
ownership,
as
well
as
a
legal
representation
of
the
exact
dimensions
of
the
property.
The
land
mass
that
this
particular
owner
really
now
owns
the
public
that
Commission.
A
D
D
There
is
a
change
in
actually
the
lot
lines
of
the
land
mass
of
the
property
without
the
submission
of
a
deed
which
reflects
that
the
deed
is
supposed
to
include
the
legal
description,
the
meats
imbalance,
description,
which
provides
the
dimensions
of
the
property,
the
land
mass
that
the
property
owner
owns.
There
is
no
formal
d
that
is
in
some
cases
filed
and
recorded
with
the
Department
of
Records.
Department
of
records
is
responsible
for
maintaining
the
deed
registry
and
also
the
registry
of
the
property
lines.
D
So
it's
very
clear
who
owned
what
when,
when
that
is
not
filed
with
the
records
department,
it
really
doesn't
appear
in
in
a
comprehensive
way
in
any
of
the
other
city
agency
systems,
and
the
records
department
has
the
responsibility
for
maintaining
the
land
records
and
making
them
available
to
the
public.
So
we
want
to
ensure
that
this
information
is
accurate
and
it
is
current
that
it
actually
reflects
what
is
happening
on
the
ground
in
reality.
So.
E
D
What,
when
that
happens,
is
that
the
owner
is
still
reflected
on
the
public
record
is
owning
that
property.
We
distribute
that
information
to
other
city
agencies
and
it
is
possible
that
it
would
affect
different
situations
like
taxing
taxing
as
to
who
who
really
owns
the
taxes
on
that
particular
a
lot
of
land,
and
it
determines
the
amount
of
taxes
that
are
due
the
larger
the
property,
in
many
cases,
the
larger
the
land
mass,
the
higher
the
tax
bill.
So
it
creates
issues
when
that
occurs,
and
it
also
creates
issues
on.
D
Ok,
so
when
a
perspective
sale
occurs,
that
property
owner
will
have
difficulty,
there
will
be
delays
in
trying
to
resolve
all
those
issues
that
will
require
an
attorney
working
on
that
to
go
through
the
chain
of
title
working
with
the
land
title
insurance
company
before
all
of
that
could
be
resolved,
so
it
increase
the
cost
for
a
property
owner,
and
it
also
will
delay
any
pending
sales
or
any
other
type
of
changes
that
the
owner
wishes
to
make.
What.
E
D
That
we
we
have,
we
will
be
sending
letter
notifications,
of
course,
this.
This
particular
legislation
will
become
incorporated
into
the
Philadelphia
code,
okay,
which,
which
most
practitioners
refer
to.
So
it
would
be
very
clear
as
to
the
steps
to
follow
the
records
department.
We
will
inform
owners
when
we
we
can
determine
that
there
is
a
change
in
the
property
and
is
not
properly
reflected
on
the
public
record.
We
will
send
a
letter
and
also
give
them
a
clear
explanation
of
what
is
missing
and
what
needs
to
be
corrected
so.
D
E
Most
of
us
are
not
practitioners
who
live
and
breathe
the
business
of
what
this
is
all
about,
so
for
the
average
citizen,
what
what
protections
will
be
in
place
are?
They
are
not
penalized
for
not
knowing
that
this
is
the
new
law.
What
will
be
the
trigger
in
your
department
for
the
average
citizen?
Well,.
D
Again,
when
we
are
aware
that
there
is
a
change,
we
will
notify
the
property
owner.
We
will
be
looking
at
the
documents
and
identifying
where
there
is
a
difference.
There
is
a
change
and
informing
them
that
they
really
need
to
have
a
deed
of
confirmation,
subdivision
recorded
with
the
records
department,
okay,
and
to
bring
in
the
copy
of
the
plan,
which
should
have
already
gone
through
the
approval
process.
But
we
will
advise
them
as
to
the
exact
steps.
We
would
not
recommend
penalizing
anyone
who
was
not
aware
of
the
requirements
if.
C
E
C
E
E
C
Is
a
zoning
administrative
manual
which
contains
some
of
it,
but
in
truth,
the
process
is
somewhat
complicated
to
put
on
a
brochure
when
folks
come
in
generally,
when
folks
come
in,
they
have
an
idea
they
meet
with
our
staff.
We
leave
them
through
the
process,
depending
on
which
process
they
need.
Okay,
all.
A
B
C
Here
the
festival
number
154
99,
which
was
introduced
in
the
City
Council
on
May
21st
2015
by
council
member
tina.bill
number
154
99
amends
the
Philadelphia
zoning
code
by
requiring
the
permit
applicant
through
the
RCO
notification
process
to
provide
written
notice
of
their
application
to
the
director
of
Commerce
in
cases
involving
a
property
that
is
in
the
district
classified
as
industrial
or
industrial
mixed-use
district
Philadelphia
City
Planning
Commission
at
its
meeting
of
jun
9
2015
recommend
that
bill
number
154
9499
for
approval
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank.
F
You
good
morning,
chairman
green
lien,
members
of
the
Rules
Committee.
My
name
is
Michael
Cooper.
I
am
the
director
of
the
office
of
manufacturing
industry
within
the
Department
of
Commerce.
I
am
also
here
in
support
of
bill
150
499
last
November
I
testified
to
this
committee
about
the
importance
of
industrial
land
preservation
as
a
priority
for
economic
growth
and
public
safety.
We
know
jobs
in
the
industrial
sector,
pay
well
and
provide
important
bridges
to
the
middle
class
for
so
many
Philadelphians,
which
is
why
Commerce
and
PID
spend
considerable
time
and
resources
supporting
this
growth.
F
We
also
know
that
industrial
businesses
need
separation
from
residential
and
commercial
retail
uses
in
order
to
operate
efficiently
when
industrial
businesses
are
pushed
out
of
existing
corridors.
The
likelihood
of
those
businesses
relocating
out
of
the
city
increases
exponentially
often
induced
by
the
use
of
tax
credits
from
neighboring
states.
I'm
happy
to
report
that
since
last
year,
we've
made
important
progress
in
implementing
processes
and
procedures
to
better
manage
preservation
and
growth.
The
2010
industrial
land
use
strategies.
Recommendations
have
been
incorporated
into
every
single
district
plan
that
is
now
being
remapped.
F
The
port
richmond
industrial
development
enterprise
was
made
a
registered
community
organization
to
allow
those
businesses,
most
of
whom
are
property
owners
a
chance
to
respond
to
development
plans
within
their
district.
We've
enjoyed
a
positive
dialogue
in
coordination
with
the
Zoning
Board
of
Adjustment,
helping
the
better
articulate
the
problem
areas
and
having
lead
to
more
scrutiny
in
questioning
of
those
who
are
quick
to
claim
a
hardship
as
a
strategy
for
back
dooring,
a
more
lucrative
development
plan,
and
we
are
now
working
with
our
partners
in
Council.
F
The
City
Planning
Commission
and
other
agencies
develop
a
more
robust
internal
review
system
for
preserving
industrial
sites.
Bill
150
499
provides
a
department
of
commerce
with
needed
time
in
context
to
better
coordinate
with
applicants,
engage
building
owners
before
their
variance
hearings
and
offer
more
prepared
recommendations
to
council
offices
to
planning
commission
and
the
cba
the
bills.
F
Rule
change
will
also
send
a
message
to
applicants
that
if
they
do
plan
to
use
an
existing
industrial
property
for
non-industrial
non-conforming
activity,
then
their
due
diligence
must
consider
the
effects
it
will
have
upon
neighboring
businesses
or
face
united
opposition
from
commerce.
Pidc
and
planning
zoning
decisions
are
made
for
important
reasons
and
when
variances
are
granted
due
to
relax
oversight
or
rushed
engagement,
it
erodes
our
ability
to
rain
very
attained
employers
in
the
city
and
identify
space
for
employers
that
we
hope
to
attract.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
G
Morning,
mr.
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
Tom
dolfo
and
I
represent
the
Philadelphia
Industrial
Development
Corporation
I'm
here
to
testify
in
support
of
bill
number
150
499.
This
bill
will
require
property
owners
to
notify
the
director
of
Commerce
when
a
development
proposal
is
required
to
provide
notice
to
the
registered
community
organizations.
This
expansion
of
the
notice
provision
will
provide
an
opportunity
for
the
Commerce
Department
to
coordinate
your
staff
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
pidc
to
evaluate
whether
a
given
proposal
will
impact
functioning
industrial
districts
around
the
city.
G
As
Mike
noted,
this
represents
an
implementation
of
recommendations
made
from
the
industrial
land
use
and
market
strategy,
as
well
as
the
manufacturing
growth
strategy,
which
was
to
preserve
the
geographic
and
operational
integrity
of
Philadelphia's
industrial
districts
by
providing
timely
notice
to
the
director
of
Commerce.
This
ordinance
will
provide
adequate
time
for
complete
to
complete
a
thoughtful
analysis
of
the
intact
of
proposals
that
require
a
use
variance
in
an
existing
industrial
district.
G
It
will
also
provide
a
chance
to
coordinate
with
manufacturers
and
well
as
the
trades
that
representin
located
in
an
effective
district,
to
determine
the
impacts
on
their
operations
as
well.
I
would
ask
that
the
community
considers
bill
favorably.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
thank.
H
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman
and
good
morning,
gentlemen,
thank
you
for
for
your
testimony.
I
want
to
state
for
the
record,
it's
a
pleasure
working
with
all
of
you
on
this
notification,
and
it
is
a
simple
notification
in
preserving
or
industrial
lands
in
the
city,
philadelphia
win.
I
think
that
we
all
know
that
it
is
critical
to
to
preserve
some
of
that
for
for
light
industrial
and
in
an
industrial
land,
whether
it's
a
warehousing
or
or
distribution,
where
we
create
economic
development
and
all
too
often
when
things
are
visiting
me
right
now,
you
look
out.
H
For
example,
maybe
you
see
more
cranes
in
the
last
year
than
we've
seen
in
last
10
years,
so
that's
really
good
for
the
economy
and
as
Commerce
is
expanded
and
we're
expanding
our
ports
and
we're
looking
to
preserve
the
valuable
land
that
we
do
have
here
in
an
urban
Philadelphia
to
create
opportunities.
A
you
know,
moving
in
2015
on
notification,
which
this
process
already
encompass
a--'s
and
has
in
place
where
the
direct
neighbors
are
being
notified
and
register
community
or
the
groups
are
notified.
The
ZBA
is
obviously
you
know.
H
This
is
upon
appeal
for
various
reasons
and
and
the
district
council
person
or
or
being
notified.
You
know
adding
the
director
of
commerce,
I
think,
is
such
an
easy
thing
to
do,
especially
when
it
comes
to.
I
think,
the
division
that
we
have
is
a
city
moving
forward.
You
know,
while
maintaining
the
notification
process,
so
it's
a
it's
a
pleasure.
I
think
this
is
a
great
step
in
the
right
direction
and
you
know
a
whole
point
of
personal
privilege.
We,
as
a
result
of
the
manufacturing
task
force
created
by
executive
order.
H
We
have
there
was
a
report
of
manufacturing
growth
strategy.
That
is
the
blueprint.
This
is
a
part
of
it
and
and
also
part
of
it
was
the
creation
in
the
Commerce
Department
of
an
office
of
manufacturing
industry,
which
michael
cooper
heads
up
in
concert
with
pidc
and
planning.
So
I
think
the
inner
governmental
coordination
is
is
incredibly
important
and
it's
been
incredibly
successful
and
moving
forward.
I
think
it's.
I
H
Absolutely
you
know
the
way
to
break
down
the
silos
that
people
complained
about
over
the
last
couple
decades,
so
I
want
to
thank
them
for
for
all
their
attention
in
commerce
and
industrial
preservation.
But
in
addition,
I
want
to
thank
Mike
Cooper
for
his
years
of
service,
not
only
with
pidc,
but
now
with
the
Commerce
Department
is
he's
going
to
be
moving
on
other
other
parties
that
recognized
his
talent.
H
I
A
Councilman,
thank
you
for
all
the
work
you've
done
on
this
issues
and
it
started
just
about
as
soon
as
you
got
here,
and
it
says
things
are
going
certainly
in
the
right
direction.
In
that
field
record,
please
reflect
that.
A
council
and
bass
member
two
committees
present
any
other
questions
for
the
three
witnesses
on
this
bill.
Seeing
none.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
Thank
you.
G
B
Number
150
374
ordinance
establishing
a
neighborhood
improvement
district
in
the
area
generally
bounded
by
including
eleventh
street,
to
the
west
filbert
street,
to
the
north
h3
to
the
east
and
market
street
to
the
south.
With
the
exception
of
certain
condominium,
you
it's
at
81,
Market
Street
condominium,
not
included
in
the
district
to
be
known
as
the
gallery.
B
Neighborhood
improvement
district
designating
gallery
neighborhood
improvement
district
corporation
at
pennsylvania,
nonprofit
corporation
as
the
neighborhood
improvement
district
management
association
for
the
district,
proving
a
plan
for
the
district,
including
a
list
of
proposed
improvements
and
their
estimated
costs
providing
for
assessment
fees
to
be
levied
on
property
owners
within
the
district
authorizing
the
director
of
commerce.
And
we
have
the
city
to
execute
an
agreement
with
gallery.
Neighborhood
improvement.
District
corporation
relating
to
the
district
and
authorizing
gallery
improvement
district
corporation
to
assess
property
owners
within
the
district.
I
Good
morning,
mr.
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
on
rules,
my
name
is
Duane
bum
and
I'm.
The
Senior
Deputy
Director
of
Commerce
I'm
here
to
testify
in
favor
of
bill
150
374,
establishing
the
gallery.
Neighborhood
improvement
district
pursuant
to
the
community
economic
improvement
act.
Two
public
hearings
are
required
prior
to
approving
a
new
neighborhood
improvement
district.
The
first
required
hearing
was
held
on
September
15
2015
before
this
committee,
at
which
time
commerce
testified
in
favor
of
the.
A
I
I
As
stated
at
the
previous
hearing,
the
intent
of
this
legislation
is
to
create
a
neighborhood
improvement
district
or
knit
that
overlaps
with
the
tax,
increment
financing
or
TIF
district
created
for
the
gallery
mall
through
bill
150
380,
the
gallery
tiff
bill
was
passed
by
City
Council
on
jun
18
2050.
The
knit
will
exist
for
approximately
20
years
to
coincide
in
time
and
location
with
the
TIFF.
All
of
the
properties
included
in
the
mid
are
owned
and
controlled
by
preet,
by
deed
or
by
long-term
lease.
I
During
the
last
hearing,
this
committee
adopted
and
amendment
providing
caps
for
the
proposed
uses
of
the
mid
assessments
guaranteeing
that
project-based
mid
assessments
are
for
improvements
that
exceed
those
approved
by
this
council
earlier
this
year.
Ensuring
that
knit
assessments
pertaining
to
anything
other
than
a
tiff
shortfall
payment
will
not
have
a
higher
priority
over
municipal
liens
and
clarifying
that
assessments
cannot
be
collected
from
either
the
city
or
the
Redevelopment
Authority.
I
The
commerce
department
supports
an
additional
amendment
to
be
offered
to
the
committee
today
which
clarifies
that
real
estate
taxes
always
have
priority
over
amid
liens.
We
believe
this
is
consistent
with
the
community
economic
improvement
act
and
consistent
with
the
parties
to
the
gallery
transaction
and
consequently
support
this
amendment.
Again
we
seek
this
knit
as
a
logical
and
important
extension
of
the
tip
that
was
already
that
has
already
been
created
in
that
it
may
increase
the
ability
of
preet
to
secure
financing
for
the
gallery
project
through
the
TIF
structure.
I
A
J
I
A
K
Name
is
Irma
Lopez
altar,
and
I
am
here
representing
the
gallery:
Merchants
Association,
which
is
the
14
of
I'm.
Sorry,
because
it's
the
14
of
us,
the
merchants
I'm
here
today
a
weight
limit.
Okay,
we
I've
been
a
merchant
at
the
gallery
for
23
years
until
my
lease
was
not
renewed,
December,
2014
and
I
was
forced
out
to
leave
because
of
the
construction
which
has
not
started
yet
today,
I'm
here
again
to
first
ask
some
questions
before
my
testimony
and
my
questions
are
I
understand
it
as
a
over
five
million
dollar
budget
for
the
net.
K
Who
appoints
the
board
members,
the
executive
staff,
titles
salaries
and
job
descriptions,
who
are
the
51%
I'm
confused
about
their
because
I
only
know
two
owners
of
the
gallery,
so
I
don't
know
what
the
51-percent
I
thought
that
we
was
included
in
that
future
residents.
I
thought
that
that's
what
we
are
and
then
could
you
define
the
assessed
property
owners
like
I,
said
I
only
know
two.
K
The
residents
representations
are
based
on
square
footage
of
property
in
the
net.
Please
explain:
does
this
mean
large
stores,
kiosk
and
retail
merchandising
units
that
pay
the
rent
payers,
in
other
words
the
office?
Okay,
the
nearest
I
understand
is
responsible
to
the
collection
of
property
assessment
fees
by
raising
rents
of
the
businesses
in
the
district,
large
or
small,
to
ensure
the
property
assessments
are
paid
for
20
years.
K
Now
I
understand
that
in
arm
1998a
bill
was
submitted
or
gave
you
the
power
City
Council
to
have
people
collect.
You
know
see
the
rents
collected,
I,
don't
understand
if
the
net
is
going
to
be
only
the
gallery,
not
nobody
across
the
street
from
the
gallery
back
the
street
of
the
gallery,
but
inside
a
gallery
and
according
to
my
understanding,
I'm
going
to
be
in
the
gallery
two
years
from
now
when
we
open
up.
K
Cross
the
t's
that
the
eyes
so
because
we've
been
paying
taxes
all
these
years
and
in
fact
the
gallery
been
there
for
like
what
40
50
years
and
a
lot
of
small
businesses
have
been
there
pain
and
trying
to
keep
up
with
all
the
taxes
and
expenses.
If
our
da
did
not
do
their
part,
that's
not
our
fault!
So
don't
blame
us
because
now
that
you
own
now
that
the
knit
or
the
gallery
owns
the
public
land
and
it's
going
to
have
money
to
fix
everything
up,
but
we're
part
of
that
so
I
Maxine.
K
You
too,
before
you
support
this
bill
to
answer
some
of
these
questions
and
to
consider
having
the
renters
or
the
businesses,
no
matter
how
large
or
how
small,
as
long
as
you're
there
paying
taxes
paying
rent
which
you
will
use
to
pay
the
taxes
with
include
us
in
and
I.
Thank
you
and
I
would
love
to
hear
some
of
the
answers
to
the
questions.
Ok,.
A
A
K
K
K
A
K
J
J
The
need
assessments
will
be
placed
on
the
inline
stores
will
not
be
placed
on
the
vendors
you,
the
vendors
will
pay
rent.
The
inline
stores
will
pay
rent
if
the
NIT
goes
into
play
and
the
assessments
will
go
on
to
the
inline
stores.
That
will
be
additional
money
that
needs
to
be
paid
by
the
inline
stores
to
pre
in
order
for
them
to
pay
their
finances.
J
K
J
The
vendors
will
not
be
charged
if
you
want
them
to
be
charged
additional
dollars
to
pay
more
than
their
monthly
rent.
I
guess
Preet
would
would
allow
that
to
happen.
Then,
if
you
guys
want
to
chip
in
and
pay
more
every
month
to
pay
off
their
their
debt,
the
reason
for
the
need
was
to
secure
their
financing
for
the
tip
the
tax
incremental
financing
that
we
went
in
the
police.
Since
the
the
vendors
are
not
part
of
the
current
program,
that's
something
would
have
to
be
negotiated
between
you
and
and
pre.
J
The
owner
of
the
operation,
we've
never
I
mean
we've
been
doing
needs
and
it's
for
a
long
time.
We've
never
had
people
voluntarily
want
to
pay
more
and
to
be
included
in
that,
but
and
there's
always
the
first
time
the
the
board
is
going
to
be
made
up
by
probably
most
likely
to
pre-board
since
30
ownership
of
the
the
gallery.
This
is
a
little
bit
different
than
a
normal
need
that
you
see
a
neighborhood
need
that
we're
bid
that
you
see
in
Passyunk,
Avenue,
Center,
City
and
places
like
that.
J
Each
assessed
property
owner
there
pays
a
percentage
of
their
taxes
to
the
need
or
the
bid
in
order
for
special
services.
This
is
in
order
to
this
is
the
gallery
itself
assessing
their
inline
stores
additional
over
the
rent
additional
dollars
to
help
secure
their
financing.
So
it's
a
little
different
I
think.
Maybe
you
have
some
confusion
on
that
aspect
of
it.
So.
K
J
Until
you
sign
your
lease
when
you
sign
your
lease
and
those
in
line
stores
become
part
of
that
now
become
of
them
agreeing
to
their
lease
to
be
part
of
the
need,
so
there
is
no
need
right
now.
There
is
no
board
right
now
and
you
need
to
secure
your
financing
when
you
have
to
start
paying
it
back
and
if
there's
no
stores
there
there's
no
need.
K
J
J
Than
that'll
that'll
be
done
at
the
time
it's
like
when
the
regular
need
the
way
it
works
is
if
a
percentage
of
your
real
estate
taxes
normally
goes
toward
a
bid
or
an
it.
So
if
you
own
a
home
in
your
houses,
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
then
you
have
to
pay
five
percent
of
that
a
year
in
order
to
be
associated
with
that
bid,
if
you
don't
pay
that,
then
there
is
a
lien
they
can
put
against
your
property.
J
This
is
a
little
bit
different
and
that-
and
this
assessment
is
going
toward
to
show
the
bank
that
they're
able
to
get
additional
dollars
from
their
store
owners
if,
for
some
reason,
are
not
able
to
make
their
financial
agreements
that
they
made
to
borrow
the
money
to
do
this
project
and
that's
the
poor
purpose
of
this
need.
So
it's
not
a
need
like
a
neighborhood
improvement
district.
The
way
it
initially
was
set
up
in
some
of
the
other
formats,
so.
J
I
K
J
D
K
Well,
for
my
last
statement,
I
humbly
request
that
I
be
part
of
the
net
and
I
also
request
that
maybe
priate
would
give
me
the
honor
to
meet
with
them.
So
they
could
know
that
I'm
there
to
be
part
of
the
partnership
not
to
be
against
just
to
be
in
because
if
the
big
stores
have
inside
and
know
what's
going
on
at
least
a
little
stores
should
also
or
the
little
vendors
this
way
one
vendor
could
come
and
meet
with
them.
Say:
oh,
you
know,
our
taxes
are
going
to
go
up.
I
would.
K
J
With
you
and
I
will
set
up
a
meeting
with
pre
and
they
knew
well,
I
will
sit
down
with
their
with
their
group
and
but
you're
not
going
to
include
somebody
who's,
not
in
the
need.
It's
not
like
saying
all
right,
we're
going
to
have
and
knit
of
all
people
in
our
area
and
we're
going
to
have
somebody
from
Jersey
be
on
it,
because
it's
don't
affect
them
that
doesn't
involve
then
so
to
be
on
the
boards.
A
Thank
You
councilman
record
reflect
councilman
Johnson
member
committee
is
present
any
other
questions
for
Miss
altar.
Seeing
none
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Both
anyone
else
here
to
testify
on
bill
number
150
374,
seeing
none
and
for
the
record.
If
mr.
Tom
mentioned
there
is
a
amendment
to
this
bill
that
will
be
offered
at
the
at
the
committee
meeting.