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A
A
A
A
A
B
I
can
give
some
background
so
attachment
10
to
the
staff
report
is
the
cost
breakdown
for
this
project.
Three
creeks
confluence
the
council
originally
funded
a
little
over
half
a
million
dollars
for
the
project
with
CDBG
funds
two
years
ago,
and
the
council
then
added
six
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
for
an
expanded
scope.
B
So
it
wouldn't
be
creating
just
a
new
park,
but
it
would
also
include
additional
amenities,
such
as
a
pedestrian
bridge,
a
fishing
Plaza
or
a
fishing
pier
community
Plaza
and
at
the
bottom
of
this
attachment
is
the
project
grand
total,
which
was
a
little
under
two
million
dollars.
One
point:
nine
four:
four
million,
and
since
the
staff
report
was
published,
we
received
additional
information
that
this
is
not
in
fact,
the
grand
total
of
the
project
Fenn.
C
A
C
A
A
B
A
B
A
A
D
Mean
stuff
happens,
I
know
it's
been
two
years
since
the
allocation
and
prices
have
escalated
tremendously
in
all
of
our
projects.
I
get
that
and
we've
looked
at
our
CIP
over
overrun
fund
and
increase
that
I.
In
response
to
this,
my
intention
was
in
working
with
the
seven
creeks
group
that
we
were
trying
to
find
ways
to
help
finish
the
park
centers
the
amenities
so
they're,
looking
at
perhaps
perhaps
a
fishing,
pier
and
I
was
looking
at
the
the
bridge,
but
that
doesn't
deal
with
this
700,000.
So
that's
my
question
about
the
700,000.
E
The
value
engineering
is
in
process,
we
don't.
We
don't
really
have
an
updated
estimate
yet
from
our
consultant
as
to
how
much
they're
gonna
be
able
to
value
engineer
out
of
the
base
out
of
the
base
bid,
which
is
essentially
just
the
daylighting
of
the
three
creeks.
And
at
this
point
we
have
we've
pulled
out
as
add
alternate
items
that
we
don't
anticipate
being
able
to
fund
with
our
existing
funding
the
pedestrian
bridge
of
pedestrian
crossing
across
ninth
west,
the
plaza
space
right
there
and
fishing
pier.
E
E
F
F
To
talk
to
Louis
about
this,
we
made
a
last-minute
application
for
track
funding,
TRC
C
funding
to
the
county.
This,
in
the
hopes
that
we
could
potentially
close
that
gap
between
the
the
base
bid
that
you
know
the
estimate
and
what's
coming
back
in
our
bid.
So
that's
very,
very
brand-new
information
and
we
don't
really
have
a
sense
of
how
successful
that
might
be,
but
we're
definitely
looking
at
all
avenues
to
try
and
close
that
gap.
D
F
This
is
a
unique
project.
We
have
so
far
four
different
funding
sources
and
we're
trying
to
juggle
all
of
those
and
then,
if
we're
successful
in
the
TR
CC
application
that
will
add
another
funding
source
with
its
spending
requirements
as
well
and
so
yeah.
It's
a
it,
is
a
challenge
but
we're
working
with
our
partners,
our
funding
partners,
to
to
make
sure
that
we're
making
progress
director.
A
Shafer,
can
you
help
correct
my
memory
or
help
me
understand?
My
memory
is
that?
Well
obviously,
it's
been
a
long
time.
We've
been
talking
about
this
and
there's
been
many
steps
that
needed
to
happen
in
order
for
us
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
could
put
a
shovel
in
the
ground.
Yes
and
weave
the
page.
The
city
has
gone
through
a
lot
of
work
in
many
different
from
different
vectors.
Yes,
in
order
to
make
this
possible,
so
it's
it's
really
unique
to
me
when
we
look
at
other
Park
opportunities
in
the
city.
A
How
is
it
that
now
we're
hearing
that
these
really
predictable
aspects
of
the
project
budget
weren't
considered-
and
you
know,
we're
finishing
up
the
CIP
budget
for
the
year
and
now
we're
hearing
about,
even
just
in
the
last
few
days
an
expanded
amount
of
money
needed
to
get
this
project
done?
How
did
we
get
to
this
point?
Well,
I,
I,.
F
Would
kind
of
I
would
push
back
a
little
bit
unpredictable
I
think
that,
from
the
point
that
this
this
project
was
anticipated
to
where
we
are
now,
it's
been
three
years
correct
more
than
three
years
and
so
the
predictability
piece
there
is
very,
very
difficult
in
any
environment,
even
when
we
have
good
bids
at
the
time.
But
we
have
a
very,
very
competitive
and
volatile
construction
market
happening
currently
and
then,
when
you
add
to
that
some
of
the
engineering
challenges
that
we're
facing
on
the
site
itself,
the
daylighting
of
this
Creek
itself.
F
Really
without
the
funding
available
to
do
that
exploration
and
that
actual
engineering
work
we
had
no
way
of
knowing
how
complicated
that
would
be.
And
so
now
we
have
a
better
understanding
of
what
it's
going
to
take
to
actually
daylight
those
those
bodies
of
water
and
and
and
then
again,
just
the
time
passage
right.
You
know
having
having
that
amount
of
time
between
the
conception
of
the
plan
and
the
bid
is
an
eternity
in
construction.
F
F
A
F
At
now
it's
it's
very
difficult
to
predict,
but-
and
we
have
very
specific
indicators
through
construction
organizations
that
tell
us
specific
materials
that
we'll
be
seeing
increases
on
and
it's
not
the
same
across
the
board.
So
we
might
see
a
25%
increase
in
steel,
for
example,
but
we
might
see
a
15%
increase
in
asphalt
and
so
we're
trying
to.
Let
me
answer
your
question.
G
So
we're
looking
we're
looking
at
putting
this
out
to
bid
very
soon
so
we're
just
going
back
through
and
looking
at
the
value
engineering
and
trying
to
at
least
bit
out
what
we
can
and
then,
if
there
is
additional
funding,
we
will
we'll
have
add
alternates
that
we
can
add
to
the
project
after
the
base
bid
is,
is
put
out
so
we're
looking
within
the
next
four
to
eight
weeks.
We'd.
F
D
D
Chairperson
Mendenhall
was
right.
This
is
a
long
process
that
the
council
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Trying
to
make
happen.
I'd
like
to
see
it
followed
through
the
recommendation.
I'm
trying
to
make
is
to
recapture
some
funds
from
a
couple
other
projects
and
utilize
them
here.
For
the
the
bridge
aspect,
one
is
the
the.
A
D
Well,
that
was
not
including
the
initial
base
gap.
This
is
just
for
the
amenity
piece,
so
that's
all
I
was
focusing
on
was
on
the
base
gap
for
the
amenity
piece.
I
was
looking
to
ask
to
recapture
forty
six
thousand
in
parks
impact
fees,
120
thousand,
that
is
leftover
essentially
from
the
Liberty
Park
concessions
build
that
was
originally
allocated
for
Jordan
Park
for
pickleball,
but
got
moved
over
there
two
years
ago.
I
can't
recall
now
and
then
a
hundred
thousand
in
the
CIP
cost
over
an
account
which
makes
sense
for
cost
overrun
issues
and.
B
A
hundred
and
eighty
three
thousand
dollars
with
a
mayoral
recommendation
to
add
another
three
hundred
and
eighteen
thousand
dollars
to
it
this
project,
since
it's
already
the
cost
estimates
are
more
than
double
the
original
amount.
It
would
be
eligible
for
the
maximum
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
the
cost
overrun
account.
That's.
G
G
Needs
access
to
that
overrun
if
it's
already
been
bid,
we're
locked
in
so
the
projects
that
haven't
been
bid.
So
your
new
projects
that
you're
looking
at
approving
are
the
ones
that
you're,
probably
gonna,
have
more
issues
with
so
bridged.
Bachmann
I
know
is
another
one
that
were
in
process.
Miller
Park
is
another
one
we're
in
design
process.
D
G
C
A
A
A
I
guess
I'm
I
want
to
also
have
a
conversation
about.
This
is
just
the
base
gap.
This
isn't
the
amenities
and
we
took
action
as
a
body
before
this
to
fund
the
amenities
and
now
they're
off
the
table
again.
So
do
we
want
to
have
a
conversation
again
about
adding
those
amenities
and
that's
a
400,000
additional
cost.
Yeah.
B
B
Committed
1.2
million
to
have
the
entire
project
done,
and
it
now
looks
like
that.
1.2
million
is
not
enough
to
do
the
original
base.
Project
and
you'd
need
an
additional
250
thousand
dollars
to
fund
the
base
project
and
an
additional
1.2
million
for
all
of
those
additional
amenities
that
were
included
the
pedestrian
bridge,
the
fishing,
pier,
the
plaza,
etc.
D
Could
break
up
the
amenities
that
way
because
they
could
be
add-ons
later
on?
Is
that
accurate,
they're
a
bit
alternate
yeah,
because
my
intention
was
rely
on
you
all
to
figure
out
how
you're
gonna
make
the
the
base
work
and
then
we'd
find
this
254
that
one
amenity
have
another
group
had
another
amenity
and
work
on
the
third
one
later
on.
I
was
willing
to
sort
of
look
at
that
at
this
point,
though,
is
it
feasible
to
add
in
250,000
from
this
budget
for
the
bridge?
If
you
don't
have
the
base
budget
yeah.
G
B
A
Is
this
is
I
appreciate
that
you're
trying
to
make
it
work
for
us,
but
I
think
this
is
part
of
what
is
the
difficulty
that
we
never
finished?
This
conversation
that
we
say
yeah.
We
want
to
do
the
full
scope
of
this
potential
for
this
park.
Here's
the
money
and
then
things
being
what
they
are.
You
have
to
come
back
and
say
sorry,
we
can't
actually
do
that
and
I
don't
want
to
do
that
again
here.
So,
let's
not
work
off
of
hope.
A
Let's
work
off
of
the
reality
that
we
have,
which
is
we
don't
know,
I,
don't
want
this
council
to
make
a
straw
poll
or
make
a
motion
thinking
we're
gonna
get
a
bridge
and
we
don't,
but
I
wanted
to
save.
Do
you
councilmember
Johnston,
and
to
my
peers
that,
like
this,
this
is
a
lot
of
money.
It
feels
like
a
lot
of
money
as
it
should
I
also
think
this
is
a
an
incredible
proposal
that
we
have
to
do
something
that
we've
never
done
before.
A
H
A
Have
money
in
other
locations
for
other
parks
that
I'm
willing
to
have
a
conversation
about
in
order
to
make
this
happen,
because
I
don't
want
to
take
what
is
right
now
a
covered
piece
of
waterway
that
abuts,
the
Jordan
River
and
people
can't
really
access
it
and
turn
it
into
sort
of
a
funky
open
space
place
I
want
to
park
here
that
embraces
the
community's
vision
that
has
gone
through
a
ton
of
work
to
be
created.
Yeah
I
want
that
to
happen.
I
agree.
D
Impact
fees
parks,
impact
fees,
$100,000,
cost
overrun,
Liberty,
Park
reallocation
with
the
concessions,
and
then
there
was
a
small
amount,
a
smaller
amount
from
the
downtown
park
fund,
which
we
need
to
talk
about
as
well.
Yes,
if
we
could
pare
it
back
as
a
holding
place.
Therefore
that
proposal
and
maybe
talk
I,
don't
know
it's
gonna
change
the
next
week.
I
guess
is
my
question
or
next
two
weeks.
F
J
I
The
downtown
part
where
we
have
three
million
dollars
that
isn't
going
to
get
us
enough
for
a
downtown
park
and
we
had
talked
about
what
it
would
look
like
to
have.
Maybe
something
with
big
impact
and
I
think
this
is,
as
chairperson,
Mendenhall
was
mentioning,
seems
like
something
that's
been
in
the
process
and
has
big
impact,
and
would
that
be
available
to
move
to
this
so
that
we
actually
have
can
fund
the
whole
project.
D
I'm
I
do
want
to
make
sure
this
Park
gets
made
appropriate
to
its
need
right
at
18.
You
Park,
we
haven't
done
this
before
daylighting.
It's
a
template
for
a
lot
of
other
possibilities
in
the
future.
That
being
said,
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
take
away
the
funding
for
the
downtown
park
completely
I.
A
Well,
I'd
like
to
have
that
discussion
also
and
I.
It
reminds
me
in
some
ways
of
times
that
our
body
are
acting
as
the
RDA
has
looked
at
monies
that
we've
set
aside
with
intentions
to
do
something
that
everybody
really
does
want
to
do,
but
the
opportunity
doesn't
fit
with
the
resources
that
we've
set
aside
and
we've
made
reallocations
and
made
things
move
and
seized
opportunities
that
are
right
in
front
of
us,
so
I'm
open
to
having
that
kind
of
collaborative
discussion.
A
D
A
downtown
park
discussion,
yes,
would
we
have
I
know
we
had
a
briefing
two
weeks
ago
when
I
was
here
two
weeks
ago,
yeah
the
entire
you
downtown
park
about,
because
the
recommendation
was
at
that
point:
let's
go,
let's
go
big,
have
a
big
impact
to
sort
of
parse
out
little
pieces
everywhere.
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
avoid
is
tearing
apart
is
that
little
pieces
to
multiple
projects.
Unless
we
have
a
better
plan
saying
the
bulk
of
it
goes
to
downtown
Park.
But
a
piece
could
go
to
this
project
to
fit
in
the.
G
Not
enough
money
to
purchase
property,
and
it's
certainly
not
enough
money
to
develop
a
piece
of
property
fully.
Well,
it
depends
on
the
size
of
the
property,
generally
figure
a
million
dollars
an
acre
to
develop
a
park,
so
it
depends.
If
oh,
we
already
have
the
property,
it
depends
on
what
we
want
to
do.
What
you
want
to
do
to
have
that
big
impact,
councilmember
Fowler,
I.
I
Think
this
is
exactly
my
point.
I
don't
want
to
read
the
money
with
a
hundred
thousand
here
and
a
hundred
thousand
here,
and
it's
something
that
was
brought
up
last
two
weeks
ago
when
we
all
talked
about
this,
because
that's
not
going
to
make
the
impact
that
some
lump
of
three
million
dollars
could
make
in
another
project.
I
That
said,
we
also
discussed
perhaps
the
idea
of
spending
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
a
million
out
of
that
three
million
to
go
to
this
project
to
make
sure
that
it's
fully
funded
and
we're
not
having
this
conversation
of
okay.
Do
we
get
rid
of
the
pedestrian
over
the
bridge
or
do
we
get
rid
of
the
fishing
pond
and
the
fishing
ponds
are
great.
I
My
community
loves
them
so
I
rate,
or
do
we
say
we
recognize
that
this
amount
of
money
is
not
going
to
be
sufficient
for
this
vision
that
was
had
about
having
a
downtown
park
and
let's
put
it
into
something
that
a
community
one
will
truly
benefit
for
from,
and
we
can
make
a
very
big
impact
by
dedicating
a
large
sum
of
money
that
we
may
have
available
to
something.
Like
this,
without
just
like
having
a
thousand
new
splash
pads
for
a
thousand
dollars
throughout
the
city,.
D
B
A
Well,
you
mentioned
funding
needs
for
in
the
Foothill
trail
area,
and
I
can
see
that
if
we
are
going
to
talk
about
not
just
fractioning
this
off
to
a
thousand
different
things,
as
councilmember
Fowler
said,
but
getting
some
bigger
things
over
the
line
that
maybe
otherwise
they
wouldn't
get
over
the
line.
So
it's
really
about
leveraging
what
we've
put
toward
other
projects,
then
I
think
we
want
to
do
it
on
a
citywide
kind
of
discussion,
and
so
perhaps
that
Foothill
trail
opportunity
is
something
you
want
to
bring
to
the
table
next
week
and
I.
D
Well,
I
mean
I
proposed
looking
at
these
two
squares
I
proposed
a
fleet
block
those
that
are
out
there,
but
details
are
where
the
devil
is
right.
When
we
have
to
talk
through
those
things,
I
don't
know
how
the
decision
at
that
point,
but
I'd
like
to
be
very
conscientious
in
deciding
how
much
we
pull
out
in
the
okay.
So.
A
F
A
Is
this
is
the
timely?
This
is
the
time-sensitive
project,
so
we
could
have
a
discussion
without
necessarily
coming
to
a
conclusion
next
week
on
the
other
potential
leverage
projects
from
a
downtown
park
fund,
but
we
do
need
to
at
least
get
to
a
point
of
decision-making
on
this
particular
one
okay.
So
we
can
have
that
citywide
discussion
next
week,
we'll
come
to
a
decision
on
this
component.
At
that
time,
fair
enough,
councilmember,
Wharton
and
just.
C
A
F
D
F
That
is
the
bigger,
more
interesting
question
council
member,
because
it
is
a
matter
of
just
priorities
and
and
we're
where
we
all
decide
the
best
use
of
that
money
is
whether
it's
in
individual
projects
around
the
city
or
whether
it's
concentrated
together.
So
that's
that's
the
interesting
conversation
I
think
I.
A
Think
that
I'll
need
to
hear
about
a
feasibility-
it's
not
just
about
priorities
and
and
my
understanding
of
the
feasibility
of
a
downtown
park
is
that
our
dollars
are
not
going
to
create
that
Park
on
their
own.
That,
for
me,
it's
about
a
public-private
partnership
and
I
haven't
heard
very
much
about
some
foreseeable
potential
for
that
from
the
administration.
So
if
you
want
to
come
back
with
to
bring
that
horizon
closer
to
us,
because
right
now,
I
don't
see
that
that
is
in
the
works.
A
D
I
mean
the
problem:
is
the
longer
sits
there.
The
more
projects
we're
gonna
demand
need.
This
I
mean
our
cost
overrun
fund.
It's
not
gonna
cover
everything,
so
that's
gonna
be
the
low-hanging
fruit
that
we
have
to
dip
into
repeatedly
unless
we
have
a
reason
to
hold
it,
hold
it
there.
So
if
we
don't
have
concrete
ideas
like
you're
talking
about
that,
may
at
least
ideas
we
can
pursue
specifically,
then
I
can
see
it's
really
doing
what
we
said.
We
don't
want
to
do.
B
To
the
point
of
feasibility,
the
impact
fees
of
course
have
to
be
spent
within
a
six
year
window,
and
we
just
got
an
update
today
from
finance
that
the
next
batch
of
parks,
impact
fees
that
are
scheduled
to
expire
is
February
of
2020,
which
is
a
ways
out
and
is
better
than
some
of
the
other
categories
of
impact
fees.
But
that
kind
of
sets
a
timer
to
say
these
projects
would
need
to
be
under
contract
before
February
2020.
To
make
sure
we're
not
risking
these
parks.
Impact
fee
is
being
refunded.
It's.
A
Really
not
that
much
time
what
oh,
it's
really
the
way
things
go.
C
A
A
A
Probably
gonna
join
us,
oh
I'm.
So
sorry
we
are
bumping
item
2,
&
3
until
later,
and
we're
gonna
bring
the
rate
study
up
now.
This
is
item
for
our
public
utilities
rate
study,
Sam
Owen,
our
policy
analyst
from
the
council
office
and
Laura
briefer
with
us
and
I'm
sure
many
other
people
are
here
in
the
audience
to
help
us
through
this
discussion.
Please
come
on
up.
I
did
see
Laura
here.
K
Gladly
so
we
are
here
to
present
the
some
informational
items
related
to
our
rate
study
conducted
over
the
last
year
and
I
have
here
a
consultant
from
raft,
Ellis
Rick
gardenia
who's,
going
to
do
the
the
presentation
on
the
rate
study
and
we're
happy
to
take
questions
during
the
presentation
or
after
whatever
you
see
fit.
Sam.
L
A
couple
of
notes,
madam
chair,
thank
you
that
could
come
now
we're
really
later,
but
since
I'm
talking
to
either
the
the
rate
study
generally
makes
recommendations
for
the
rate
structures
for
the
water
and
sewer
utilities,
and
a
third
component
makes
some
recommendations
for
changes
to
miscellaneous
fees
related
to
services.
The
utilities
perform
connection
fees,
inspection
fees,
other
things
like
that.
The
read
study,
recommendations
for
the
water
and
sewer
service
rate
structures
are
revenue
neutral
with
regard
to
the
fiscal
year,
2019
adopted
budget
for
the
utilities.
L
If
hypothetically,
the
recommendations
for
the
changes
to
the
miscellaneous
fees
were
adopted
and
blocked
as
they
are
in
the
study
result
would
not
necessarily
be
revenue
neutral.
So
the
council
may
wish
to
break
that
component
of
the
study
out
and
designate
some
time
in
the
future
to
discuss
that
separately,
because
it
might
be
a
bigger
conversation
than
than
just
the
rate
structure,
components
that
are
also
part
of
this
study.
The
administration.
L
On
that
note,
the
administration
may
also
have
recommendations
about
specific
miscellaneous
fees
that
would
most
usefully
be
included
with
the
pending
amendment
to
the
consolidated
fee
schedule
that
would
implement
the
changes
to
the
rate
structure
of
the
council
decides
to
go
that
direction.
So,
oh
my
god
thank.
M
So
it's
a
pleasure
to
appear
before
you
again
this
afternoon
to
talk
specifically
about
the
water
and
sewer
rate
structure
and
the
process
that
we've
gone
through
I'd
like
to
cover
five
topics
with
you
this
afternoon,
and
we're
going
to
move
fairly
quickly
through
through
these
and
I
would
really
encourage,
as
you
have
in
the
past,
to
stop
me
at
any
point
in
time.
If
you
have
questions
about
any
topics,
I'm.
A
Gonna
stop
you're
already
in
and
with
giving
your
expansive
history
of
working
with
the
city
and
doing
other
rate
studies
and
other
stakeholder
work
as
you
go,
I
would
love
to
hear
how
this
experience
compares
or
is
unique
in
the
context
of
work
that
the
city
has
done
similar
to
this
in
the
past.
Absolutely.
M
I
will
I
will
try
to
share
that
with
you.
Yes,
here
is
our
agenda
and
I
will
jump
right
into
it
and
the
study
objectives
are
listed
here
and
they
are
what
I
would
consider
to
be
overall
objectives
to
really
work
with
the
utility
in
identifying
alternative
rate
structures,
but
preceding
that
really
looking
at
what
we
call
the
cost
of
service
and,
in
a
rate
study
like
this.
There
are
really
three
steps
to
the
study.
The
first
is
defining
how
much
money
do
we
need
to
operate
as
a
sustainable
entity?
M
M
Let's
start
with
the
rate
Advisory
Committee,
and
this
is
a
element
of
the
process
that
has
been
a
part
of
the
rate
studies
going
back
decades
and
it's
been
critical
to
ultimately
arriving
at
the
rates
that
we
charge
our
customers
by
and
large,
that
first
step
of
defining
the
amount
of
revenue.
We
need
to
be
a
sustainable
organization
for
water,
sewer
and
storm.
It's
something
that's
part
of
the
annual
budget
process,
and
once
that
is
done,
we
then
move
on
to
cost
of
service
and
rate
design.
M
The
rack
was
quite
simple:
to
provide
input
guidance
to
the
consultant
team.
Raff
tell
us
and
staff,
as
we
worked
hand-in-hand
to
consider
rate
structure,
changes,
rate
structure
objectives
and
that's
what
the
committee
did
in
a
very
engaging
and
spirited
way.
At
times
we
met
with
the
representatives
of
the
rack
over
the
course
of
five
months,
six
different
meetings
and
one
of
the
key
aspects.
The
key
elements
of
this
process
is
what
we
call
under
this
third
bullet
defining
pricing
objectives.
M
Pricing
objectives
are
the
goals
that
we
have
in
the
way
we
price
the
service.
We
provide
to
influence
a
type
of
behavior
to
achieve
a
certain
outcome,
and
so
through
each
and
every
rate
study
that
you
have
done
over
the
last
couple
of
decades.
We've
gone
through
this
process
of
identifying
pricing
objectives.
What
can
we
try
to
accomplish
through
the
rate
structure
and
I'm,
going
to
share
a
couple
extremes
with
you?
On
the
one
hand,
we
could
have
an
objective
that
is
all
about
revenue
stability.
M
Regardless
of
the
meter
size
you
have
of
the
amount
of
water
you
use,
we're
gonna
charge
everybody
seventy-five
dollars
a
month
as
the
finance
director
I
would
love
that
approach.
I
know
how
much
revenue
I'm
going
to
get
every
month
and
I
can
pay
my
bills
doesn't
matter
if
water
use
goes
up
or
down,
and
we
all
know
here
in
the
West
we're
subject
to
arid
conditions
and
droughts.
M
But
under
that
approach,
revenue
stability
is
the
most
important
objective
that
flies
absolutely
in
the
face
with
maybe
another
important,
objective
conservation
and
if
I
want
to
achieve
conservation,
I
might
look
at
nothing
more
than
a
hundred
percent
volley
rate
you
pay
for
only
what
you
use
if
I
don't
use
any
water.
My
water
bill
that
month
is
zero
and
that
really
puts
control
of
the
water
bill
in
the
hands
of
the
customer.
M
And
so
as
we
look
at
the
recommendations
that
come
out
of
the
rack
and
on
through
the
Utilities
Department
PUA
see
the
public
utility
Advisory
Committee,
fairness
and
equity
is
a
common
theme
and
historically,
this
is
a
big
change
that
we've
had
over
the
years.
Historically,
we've
had
a
rate
approach
that
was
based
on
a
system-wide
cost
of
service.
M
M
I'm
not
what
I
am
saying
is
that
historically,
it's
been
a
system-wide
cost
where
we've
treated
all
of
our
different
customer
classes.
The
same
we
haven't
had
a
fixed
charge.
That
was
our
only
revenue
source.
We
had
a
balance
of
the
use
of
fixed
revenue
and
variable
revenue,
but
the
focus
was
more
on
one
rate
structure
for
the
entire
system
and
one
set
of
rates
for
the
entire
system,
with
some
subtle
distinctions
but
effectively
looking
at
it
on
a
system-wide
basis.
Now
we've
moved
to
let's
break
that
up
a
little
bit.
M
Let's
look
at
a
little
more
discretely
at
our
residential
class
at
our
commercial,
institutional
and
industrial
class
at
our
irrigation
class,
and
let's
look
at
the
cost
of
serving
those
classes
versus
everyone
together.
Okay,
that's
probably
been
the
biggest
change
and
outcome
of
this
process,
but
in
doing
that,
we
wanted
to
keep
firm
focus
on
conservation,
essential
use,
affordability
and
demand
management,
and
the
first
and
third
of
these
two
I'll
sort
of
throw
together
conservation
is
big
picture.
We're
trying
to
encourage
the
wise
use
of
water
year
round
demand
management
is
a
more
narrow
focus.
M
M
M
M
Secondly,
with
regard
to
affordability,
affordability
is
a
issue
within
the
water
industry
that
is
growing
quite
frankly,
15-20
years
ago
we
weren't
talking
about
it,
a
colleague
of
mine,
used
to
say
15
20
years
ago.
You
know,
Ric
water
is
really
cheap
and
no
one
cares.
Now.
It's
gotten
inexpensive
and
everyone
is
concerned.
M
Water
still
is
relatively
cheap
as
a
commodity,
but
the
price
increases
that
we've
seen
in
water
have
really
brought
to
the
forefront
the
notion
of
affordability
and
how
we
go
about
measuring
that,
and
you
may
have
heard
over
the
years,
the
Environmental
Protection
Agency
EPA
and
their
measure
of
affordability
and
it's
based
on
a
percent.
The
utility
bill
is
a
percent
of
median
household
income.
M
That
measure
of
affordability
is
really
effective
at
a
community
level
for
assessing
project
affordability,
where
it
has
historically
failed,
is
at
the
customer
and
measuring
the
impact
at
the
household,
and
so
as
an
industry.
We
are
seeking
to
move
in
the
direction
of
other
metrics
and
I'll
get
to
that
in
just
a
minute.
M
But
this
notion
of
affordability
is
influenced
by
my
extreme
example
earlier
about
the
fixed
charge
that,
if
I'm
paying
$75
a
month,
doesn't
matter
how
much
water
I'm
using
finally
use
2,
CCF
or
I'm
using
a
hundred
CCF
I'm,
paying
the
same
amount,
some
more
affordability,
standpoint,
that's
a
big
chunk
of
my
bill.
That
is
my
bill.
We're
suggesting
that
we
lower
the
fixed
charge.
The
primary
motivation
behind
this
is
to
make
essential
water
use
more
affordable
and
over
80%
of
our
customers.
Residential
customers
are
served
through
a
three
quarter.
K
M
A
Am
I
oversimplifying
it
by
reading
that
to
mean
that
we're
looking
for
the
conservation
to
come
from
the
larger
water
users?
Then
we
are
the
80%
of
our
residents
that
are
going
to
see
a
decrease
and
I'm
basing
this
off
of
my
it
perience
and
the
air
quality
realm
with
gas
price
associations
with
vehicle
miles
traveled
the
cheaper.
It
is
the
more
we
drive
cheaper.
My
water
is
the
more
water
when.
M
A
K
K
That's
harder
to
calculate
because
there
is
no
typical
institutional,
industrial
and
commercial
is
such
a
wide
variation
of
types
of
uses,
and
that's
something
that
we
talked
about
a
lot
and
that's
partially
why
we
had
quite
different
representation
on
the
rate
Advisory
Committee
of
different
types
of
those
uses.
So,
for
instance,
we
had
Salt
Lake
City
School
District
represented.
We
had
some
of
our
own
city
departments
represented
that
account
for
that
institutional
use.
K
M
Now,
how
do
these
translate
into
affordability?
How
do
we
measure
affordability
so
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
where,
as
an
industry
starting
to
look
at
new
metrics
move
away
from
the
4%
of
median
household
income
for
the
water
and
sewer
bill
and
really
look
at
the
impact
at
the
customer
level?
And
what
are
the
metrics
that
we're
starting
to
look
at
and
the
mitts
my
firm
of
working
with
the
Water
Research
Foundation
to
come
up
with
some
new
metrics
to
ultimately
to
propose
to
EPA
for
consideration?
And
this
is
one
of
them.
The.
A
M
I
would
have
to
work
if
I'm
in
Seattle
eleven
point
three
hours
to
pay
my
essential
use
water
and
sewer
bill
essential
used
to
find
as
six
CCF
for
water
and
six
CCF
for
sewer
and
the
water
amount
there.
This
equates
to
approximately
4,500
gallons
per
month,
150
gallons
per
day,
or
about
50
gallons
per
person
assuming
a
three
person
household
and
that's
in
the
range
of
a
general
industry
standard
for
efficient
indoor
water
use,
so
we're
not
measuring
here
or
giving
any
consideration
to
outdoor
discretionary
use.
M
This
is
really
essential
indoor
use
and
how
many
hours
do
I
have
to
work
in
a
month
to
pay
my
water
bill,
and
you
can
see
here
in
Salt,
Lake
City
under
the
current
rate
structure
and
effect.
It's
five
hours
under
this
proposed
rate
structure
that
we're
looking
at
with
the
changes
I've
talked
about
in
the
fixed
portion
of
the
water
and
sewer
bill.
It's
slightly
less
at
four
point,
not
four
point:
nine
percent.
Does
this
tell
us
it's
affordable,
I'm,
not.
M
Not
able
to
answer
that
question
because
we
will
always
have
accounts
who
have
difficulty
paying
their
water
and
sewer
bill
we
will.
That
is
why
we
have
other
programs
in
place
and
the
utility
has
one
or
two
other
means
by
which
they
can
assist
customers,
but
this
provides
I,
think
decision
makers
like
yourself
with
some
context,
to
begin
to
try
to
answer
the
question
about
affordability-
and
maybe
one
of
them.
M
M
Are
correct
and
what
you've
highlighted
is
one
of
the
challenges
within
the
industry,
the
hard-to-reach
customer,
and
how
do
we
go
about
doing
that?
And
this
doesn't
necessarily.
This
does
not
measure
that,
but
the
non
owner
renter
is
the
difficult
challenge
when
it
comes
to
providing
assistance
and
the
the
mechanical
means
by
which
you
do
that,
how
it
gets
passed
through
ultimately
to
the
renter.
M
Those
are
all
very
challenging
questions
that
utilities
across
the
country
are
wrestling
with,
and
some
have
have
implemented
programs
to
assist
in
this
area
and
working
directly
with
landlords
and
creating
means
by
which
assistance
can
be
provided
ultimately
directly
to
the
tenant.
But
it
does
remain
a
challenge.
Sam.
A
M
This
is
a
graph
that
shows,
under
the
current
rate
structure
versus
the
proposed
rate
structure,
what
the
difference
in
the
monthly
bills
will
be
looking
forward
five
years
based
on
the
anticipated
increases
that
were
looking
at
for
water
and
sewer
service
and
over
this
five-year
period.
This
essentially
tells
us
that
affordable
use,
the
rate
payer
will
be
almost
$60
better
off.
Is
that
a
huge
amount?
No,
but
again
to
my
comment
earlier:
we're
not
working
in
the
opposite
direction,
we're
not
suggesting
a
rate
structure
that
makes
it
more
difficult
that
makes
it
less
affordable.
M
So
this
is
I
think
one
piece
of
assurance
that
the
goal
of
the
rate
payer
Advisory
Committee
to
not
make
it
less
affordable,
is
being
achieved
here,
and
this
puts
you
in
a
position
to
where
you
can
start
to
build
on
this
over
time
and
have
a
rate
structure
that
has
the
capability
to
be
modified,
going
forward
to
perhaps
do
even
more.
With
regards
to
affordability,
let
me
shift
now
and
start
to
get
right
into
the
rate
structure
itself.
This
is
for
the
water
utility,
the
fixed
charge
component
of
the
rate
structure.
M
We
have
a
two
part
rate
structure.
The
first
is
a
fixed
charge.
The
second
is
the
volume
rate,
the
fixed
charge
you
pay
and
water,
regardless
of
the
amount
of
water
you
use
and
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
vast
majority
of
our
residential
customers
are
served
by
a
three-quarter
inch
meter
under
the
existing
rate
structure.
They
pay
nine
dollars
and
89
cents
a
month
under
the
proposed.
It
would
go
down
to
eight
dollars
and
84
cents,
regardless
of
the
amount
of
water
that's
used.
M
The
fixed
charge
is
intended
to
recoup
some
of
the
basic
costs
that
we
incur.
Regardless
of
the
amount
of
water
used.
We
have
to
go
out
and
read
a
meter.
We
have
to
maintain
a
meter
produce
a
bill,
have
customer
service
folks
standing
by
to
work
with
customers
regarding
questions
about
their
bills
and
even
some
element
of
the
service
we
provide
as
a
base
level
of
service
that
all
customers
should
share
in
providing
some
cost
recovery.
M
That's
what
this
charges
is
all
about,
and
it's
very
common
in
the
industry,
a
two-part
rate
structure.
You
can
see
that
as
the
meter
size
gets
larger
the
base
charge.
The
fixed
charge
gets
larger.
This
isn't
an
indication
of
the
amount
of
capacity
that
we're
providing
to
customers
who
have
larger
meters,
and
if
you
look
to
the
right-hand
column,
you
see
some
very
significant
percentage
increases.
I
want
to
put
that
in
context.
M
If
I'm,
a
customer
with
a
10-inch
meter,
I
have
that
meter
because
I'm
using
a
tremendous
amount
of
water
and
a
fixed
charge
of
five
hundred
and
seventy
six
dollars
and
91
cents
is
a
relatively
small
percentage
of
my
total
bill,
because
so
much
of
my
bill
is
driven
by
the
amount
of
water
I'm
using
so
I.
Just
don't
want
anyone
to
be
alarmed
with
these
percentage
increases.
I'm
sure
you.
H
Would
like
I
know
that
a
typical
home
is
3/4
inch.
Can
you
give
us
some
examples
of
2
inch,
3
inch,
4
inch,
6
inch
and
I
guess
my
follow-up
question
would
be
these
larger
these
larger
meter
sizes?
Do
we
have
any
idea
how
many
of
our
non-tax
property
taxable
entities
have
this
size
of
unit
in
it
I
mean?
Is
this
just
another
way
for
us
to
recoup
that
cost
or
for
providing
service.
K
Well,
I,
don't
know
off
the
top
of
my
head.
The
answer
to
your
first
question,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
that
we
can
research
and
I
know
during
the
rate
advisory
committee.
We
did
have
those
details,
so
it's
probably
buried
in
that
report
and
I
can
definitely
get
back
to
you
on
that
in
term
and
same
to
your
second
question.
K
Actually
we
have
calculated
the
amount
of
customers
and
some
what
the
type
of
customers
that
have
these
larger
10-inch
meters,
but
there's
not
very
many
of
these
very
large
10-inch
meters
and
finally,
the
calculation
of
the
fixed
charge.
I'm,
not
sure
if
Rick
mentioned
this,
but
the
was
based
on
the
true
cost
of
service
analysis
related
to
the
capacity
of
those
meters.
H
K
H
M
All
usage
is
charged
as
the
same
rate
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
most
expensive
time
in
which
to
provide
water
services
during
the
summertime
peak
demands
and
so
forth.
We
build
facilities
that
are
sized
to
meet
those
peak
demands
during
the
three
or
four
months
of
the
summer,
but
sit
idle
the
rest
of
the
year.
So
the
seasonal
rate
structure
is
reflective
of
our
cost
of
service
to
provide
water
service
during
these
different
times
of
year,
and
the
blocks
generally
represent
some
consideration
of
indoor
use,
reasonable
outdoor
use
and
so
on
for
different
customer
classes.
M
The
variation
in
demands
usage
patterns
is
so
great
that
to
have
a
fixed
block
approach
would
really
only
penalize
large
users
who
might
not
be
putting
peak
demands
on
the
system
relative
to
their
winter
demands.
So
we've
used
here
in
Salt,
Lake,
City
and
AWC
approach,
going
back,
probably
ten
or
more
years
AWC
average
winter
consumption.
M
We
measure
each
accounts
winter
time,
water
use
and
assess
that
at
the
lowest
block,
one
rate
that
is
generally
representative
of
a
base
load
of
use
and
if
I
use
that
same
amount
of
water
year-round
every
month
of
the
year,
I'm
not
putting
a
peak
demand
on
the
system
and
therefore
I
would
pay
the
lowest
rate
year-round.
But
when
I
start
to
use
more
than
my
winter
average
I
start
to
cause
the
system
to
incur
greater
cost
and
I
need
to
be
responsible
for
that.
M
So
when
I
use
greater
than
AWC
up
to
three
times,
AWC
I
pay
a
higher
rate
when
I
go
over
three
times:
I
pay
a
higher
rate,
and
so
on
now
back
to
the
recommendation
of
the
RAC.
They
wanted
to
encourage
conservation.
As
I
said
earlier,
we
wanted
to
push
usage
into
that
higher
tier
sooner
so
under
the
proposed
structure,
we're
lowering
the
residential
top
tier
from
70
CCF
to
64
non-residential
CII,
we're
lowering
it
from
700
percent
of
your
AWC
to
600
percent.
M
C
C
M
M
That's
what
all
customers
today
pay
for
their
block,
one
two:
three
and
four,
whether
they're
residential
commercial,
etc
and
I'm,
going
to
show
you
in
a
minute
we're
now
suggesting
that
these
vary
based
on
the
customer
class
cost
of
service.
So
this
slide
is
for
residential
and
you
can
see
their
block
prices
today.
M
You
can
see
what
the
block
prices
would
be
under
the
proposed
structure.
Block
one
zero
to
ten
CCF
would
go
down
from
a
dollar
thirty
five
to
a
dollar
thirty
per
CCF.
That's
that
essential
indoor
use,
that's
a
reduction
that
helps
affordability.
Now
the
entire
class
is
going
down
because
we're
moving
to
a
class
cost
based
approach
and
you'll,
see
in
a
moment
that
the
CII
class
is
going
up
based
on
the
analysis
that
we've
done
of
the
demands
of
the
class
and
their
responsibility
for
different
components
of
the
system.
M
This
is
the
result
now,
if
I'm,
that
customer
in
tier
three
today
I'm
paying
two
dollars
and
57
cents
for
up
to
70
CCF.
If
I
don't
change.
My
use
tomorrow
under
this
proposed
approach,
I'm
going
to
be
paying
two
dollars
and
63
cents
for
my
usage
when
it
gets
above
60,
so
we're
still
seeing
an
increased
for
the
highest
volume
users
for
those
that,
as
I've
said,
want
to
water
the
sidewalk
in
the
summertime.
A
M
L
M
This
is
the
realignment
based
on
class
cost
of
service
and
again
furthering
the
goal
of
fairness
and
equity
at
two
levels
and
conservation
at
two
levels:
one:
let's
look
at
class
cost
of
service
and
have
each
class
pay
their
respective
cost
and
two
when
it
comes
to
conservation.
You
can
see
here
that,
with
the
increase
in
the
unit
prices
that
provides
some
additional
leaking
incentive
for
our
CII
class
to
potentially
use
less
water
or
use
water
in
a
more
efficient
manner.
M
The
last
customer
class
we
have
for
water
is
irrigation.
Only
these
are
accounts
that
have
a
dedicated
connection
and
meter
for
irrigating
park
lands,
irrigating,
common
turf
areas
and
the
like.
The
city
has
a
number
of
accounts
in
the
parks
department,
the
golf
courses
etc
in
this
category
and
going
back
at
least
one,
if
not
two
cycles,
they've
been
under
a
budget
rate
approach
where
their
Lots,
their
area
has
been
analyzed
and
arrived
at
a
budget
amount
and
so
long
as
they
stay
within
their
budget.
M
They'll
pay
the
lowest
rate
when
they
go
over
their
budget
and
over
their
budget
by
more
than
three
times,
they'll
pay
an
even
higher
rate,
and
so
this
is
a
very
customer,
specific
rate
approach
where
we've
looked
at
their
area
and
based
on
the
square
footage
and
so
on
and
best
management
practices
for
watering.
We
know
how
much
water
they
should
use
and
again,
based
on
the
class
cost
of
service.
Their
rates
are
showing
that
they're
going
to
go
down,
but
again
when
they
go
outside
of
their
budget,
they
will
pay
more.
M
Now
we
also
have
some
city
accounts
that
are
moving
out
of
this
class
into
a
secondary
raw
water
class,
where
they
will
receive
service
directly
with
raw
water,
and
these
are
City
golf
courses,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
and
so
their
rates
will
be
even
lower
than
shown
here.
But
that's
a
reflection
of
the
fact
that
they're
being
served
with
raw
water
directly
they're,
avoiding
the
cost
of
treatment,
for
example,
secondary.
K
M
The
costs
associated
with
providing
sewer
service
is
really
driven
by
I'll,
say
two
things:
first,
it's
the
amount
of
discharge
into
the
sewer
system.
Secondly,
it's
the
strength
of
that
discharge
in
simple
terms.
How
dirty
is
it
we
measure
that
second
question
based
on
what
we
call
Bo,
D
and
TSS
biological
chemical
demand
and
total
suspended
solids
and
we've
established
seven
classes
of
customers.
M
Two
through
six
bo
d
may
be
in
one
class
TSS
and
another,
and
so
they'll
have
different
impacts
that
might
be
shown
here,
but
that
is
just
a
reflection
of
the
sophistication
and
I
would
say,
fairness
and
equity
of
our
sewer
rate
structure.
You
pay
based
on
the
discharge,
quantity
and
then
the
quality,
because
those
are
key
drivers
in
the
cost
we
incur
at
the
treatment
plant
to
meet
our
permit
requirements
and
treat
the
waste
that
different
types
of
customers
give
us.
So
this
is
really
focused
on
equity.
M
Now
we
also
have
a
minimum
charge
that
has
been
in
place,
and
this
is
buried
in
the
footnotes
here.
But
for
our
residential
accounts
he's
the
current
charge
is
twelve
dollars
and
sixteen
cents.
The
rack
is
recommended
that
we
reduce
that
and
reduce
it.
So
it's
more
in
line
with
the
average
domestic
discharge
that
we
received
I
mentioned
earlier
a
couple
of
times
that
the
AWC
the
end
water
used
for
a
typical
single-family
residence
is
dropped
from
eight
to
four
or
five
CC
F.
M
M
Will
pick
up
the
pace
at
moving
on
to
stormwater,
you
may
recall
an
overall
ten
percent
revenue
increase
in
stormwater,
we're
not
suggesting
any
change
to
the
rate
structure
here.
It's
a
sound,
widely
used
rate
approach
in
the
industry
as
a
great
deal
of
equity
and
we're
gonna
leave
that
one
alone
bill
comparison.
This
slide
shows
a
water
summer
bill
for
single-family
residence,
most
of
whom
have
three
quarter-inch
meters,
and
you
can
see
at
the
different
CCF
usage
levels
on
the
left-hand
side
across
the
board.
We're
seeing
decreases
in
the
bills.
A
K
M
A
M
M
M
Here
we
compare
Salt
Lake
City
to
some
of
your
neighbors
and
other
regional
utilities,
and
the
takeaway
here
is
to
twofold
on
an
annual
bill
comparison
for
typical
residents,
you're
about
in
the
middle
of
the
pack
for
all
of
these
communities
and
then.
Secondly,
again
the
proposed
bill
is
slightly
less
than
the
current
water
bill,
based
on
the
rate
structure,
recommendations
of
the
rate
payer,
Advisory
Committee,
similar
presentation
on
sewer
the
proposed
and
current
are
very
close,
but
equally
important,
where
you
compare
to
others
and
again
you're
about
right
in
the
middle
of
the
pack.
K
I,
actually,
one
thing
I
did
want
to
add
is
during
our
last
budget
presentation,
we
had
a
long
conversation
actually,
the
last
two
budget
presentations.
A
long
conversation
with
you
about
projected
rate
increases
due
to
some
major
projects
that
need
to
occur
both
in
the
water
and
sewer
utilities
such
as
the
new
wastewater
treatment
plant.
That
we've
projected
rate
increases
for
over
the
next
few
years,
and
a
large
discussion
within
the
rate
Advisory
Committee
and
internally
with
our
department
and
the
administration,
was.
K
How
can
we
continue
to
soften
this
blow
to
more
vulnerable
populations
and
really
incorporate
the
affordability
and
fairness,
concepts
and
principles
into
our
rate
structure,
as
we
move
forward
with
some
really
generational
projects
in
our
system
and
so
part
of
part
of
what
you
see
here
on
some
of
the
residential
decreases?
You
know
we
talked
about.
Does
what
kind
of
conservation
message
does
this
send?
You
know
some
of
that.
A
Council
members
I
want
to
thank
you
for
this.
This
is
a
surgical
approach.
I
think
to
the
questions
are
the
the
values
that
you
posited
at
the
beginning
and
at
the
beginning
of
the
work
with
the
RAC,
those
three
points
that
you
started
with,
and
it
really
I
think
for
me
illuminates
the
non-surgical
approach
that
we've
taken
so
far.
That
has
a
I'm
sure
a
litany
of
good
reasons.
A
K
A
Yeah,
let's
reorient
ourselves
on
the
agenda,
we've
skipped
around
a
bit.
Are
we
are
we
coming
back
to
our
planning
items
right
now,
we're
so
we're
gonna
kick
items
two
and
three
a
little
farther
into
our
schedule,
probably
after
our
break
and
right
now
we'll
go
to
item
five.
Our
budget
amendment
follow-up
discussion
for
budget
amendment,
one
work
I
am
hoping
to
give
us
a
break
council
members
and
then
we're
gonna
get
into
the
CIP
overview
a
little
bit
after
four
o'clock.
A
So
with
our
budget
discussion,
I
bet,
we
have
been
led
key
from
council
office
coming
back,
Marybeth
Thompson,
you
know
I'm
not
seeing
anybody.
It's
supposed
to
be
here
right
now
so,
but
we
do
have
planning
I,
see
Doug
Dancy
here.
Doug.
Are
you
here
for
those
two
items,
one
of
them?
Why
don't
we
do
that?
Is
that
item
three
come
on
up
Doug
Dancy
from
planning
department,
thanks
for
being
here,
nick
Tarbert
from
the
council
office
council
members
and
anybody
following
along
we're
on
the
12:30
West.
A
A
O
Okay,
I'll
be
brief
here.
This
is
a
proposal
to
rezone
the
property,
that's
commonly
known
as
mark
steel,
that's
on
the
west
side
of
the
Jordan
River
north
of
second
south,
this,
the
photograph
on
the
screen.
It's
not
graphically
the
most
exciting
you've
ever
seen,
but
it
does
provide
the
context
right.
South
of
this
site
is
I-80
coming
in
from
the
West
and
on
the
north
side
of
the
the
site
are
the
railroad
tracks
that
go
from
Salt
Lake
west
to
Oakland,
and
north
of
that
is
also
the
Rocky
Mountain
Power
substation
base.
O
O
There
is
no
proposal
development
proposal
with
this.
It's
it
was
a
speculative
zone,
change
request,
so
I
don't
have
any
pretty
pictures
of
proposed
apartments
or
anything
because
it
it's
entirely
speculative
and
it's
also
kind
of
difficult
as
we
process
this,
because
it's
in
a
master
planning
black
hole,
it's
outside
the
Northwest
Community
Plan,
it's
outside
the
neighborhood,
the
Euclid
neighborhood
plan,
it's
outside
the
West
Side
master
plan.
It
just
happen
to
be
a
property
that
didn't
get
incorporated
to
any
current
master
plan.
How.
O
O
So
if
we
evaluated
this
in
terms
of
the
plan,
Salt
Lake
overall,
all
housing
issues
and
that
their
request
was
for
transit
station
area
and
we
we
didn't
look
at
a
lot
of
other
zones
for
the
simple
reason
that
going
from
manufacturing
to
TSA
was
pretty
similar
in
terms
of
bulk
and
all
that
the
other
residential
zones
generally
have
more
parking
requirements
and
density
limitations.
So
the
TSA
also
has
more
design
criteria
than
some
of
the
older
purely
residential
zones
too.
O
So,
throughout
the
process,
the
Community
Council
Planning
Commission,
the
staff
didn't
really
float
the
idea
of
a
different
zone
than
what
they
asked
for,
because
there
was
a
perception
that
that
was
reasonable
and
this
photograph
that
you
see
on
the
screen
here.
The
blue
hatched
zoning
to
the
east
is
other
TSA
zoning
to
the
south,
where
you
see
the
yellow
and
the
tan.
Those
are
different.
O
Lower
density
residential
zones,
but
they're
also
separated
from
this
site
by
a
very
solid
barrier
with
IAT,
so
the
zoning
that
does
allow
housing-
that's
sort
of
mostly
close
here-
is
TSA
zoning,
just
a
sense
of
where
it's
at
there's
more
photographs
in
your
staff
report.
The
big
reason
for
arguing
to
change
this
from
manufacturing
to
transit
station
area
is
the
completion
of
the
Jordan
River
Trail
Bridge,
dad.
A
Can
I
pack
you
up
I
I,
just
wanted
to
point
out
and
confirm
that
I'm,
seeing
this
correctly
that
council
members
on
our
packet,
the
page
two
has
the
vicinity
map
that
is
different
from
this
and
shows
I
think
a
little
bit
more
context
that
there's
a
lot
of
TSA
to
the
north.
We
can
see
a
little
bit
in
the
northeast
portion.
There
you're
absolutely.
A
O
A
O
Think
it
would
well
back
up
a
little
bit
the
properties
immediately
to
the
west
of
that
there
in
sort
of
this
black
hole,
but
the
Rocky
Mountain
Power
to
the
north
of
a
again
is
in
the
North
temple
plan,
which
I
believe
I'm
going
from
memory
here
includes
more
of
the
where
the
Ramada
Inn
as
and
stuff
are
on
redwood
road
and
north
temple,
so
it
really
is
probably
30
to
50
acres
and
this
site
is
15
of
it.
Okay,
thank
you.
O
The
again
part
of
the
argument
was
going
to
TSA
and
I'm.
Thank
you
for
pointing
that
out
because,
as
I
go
back
here,
you
can
see
where
this
site
is
located
and
adjacent
to
the
Fair
Park
light
rail
station,
and
one
of
the
questions
that
came
up
with
the
Planning
Commission
is
how
far
away
from
light
rail.
Do
you
really
need
to
be
to
be
transit
station
area
and
there's
no
hard
fast
rule.
O
It's
really
more
about
the
quality
of
the
experience
of
getting
from
one
place
to
the
other
than
the
absolute
distance
going.
One
block
through
a
terrible
neighborhood
would
be
different
than
going
three
blocks
through
a
nice
experience,
and
so
that's
what's
really
changed
over
here
with
the
completion
of
that
bridge.
So
on
your
right,
you
can
see
the
bridge
and
on
the
photograph,
is
really
the
mark
steel
site
looking
at
it
from
the
bridge.
To
give
you
an
idea
of
the
context,
and
these
two
photographs
are
just
again
context.
O
The
photograph
on
the
left
is
the
Jordan
River
Parkway,
that's
that
goes
underneath
IAT
and
completes
to
the
south.
What
you're
looking
at
is
just
before
it
goes
on
the
bridge
over
to
the
Fair
Park
light
rail
station
and
the
photograph
on
the
right
is
the
Fisher
mansion
just
a
little
bit
of
history
here
on
this
map,
where
you
see
BP,
that's
Business,
Park
zoning,
that
was
the
old
Fisher
brewery,
hence
the
Fisher
mansion
and
then
mountain
fuel
took
it
over
made.
Their
headquarters
quest
are
now
Dominion
energy.
O
So
the
Planning
Commission
cut
to
the
chase,
the
Planning
Commission
well
I'll
back
up
a
little
bit.
We
did
take
it
the
Community
Council
they
did
not
vote.
They
basically
heard
it
and
made
comments
and
ask
questions,
but
they
didn't
provide
any
input.
We
basically
had
two
items
of
input
through
the
process.
One
was
a
neighbor.
You
see
on
this
slide,
there's
a
little
indent
on
the
west
side
of
the
that's,
an
out
parcel
he's
a
person.
O
He
lives
in
Woods
Cross,
but
he
leases
this
property
and
said
he
he
leased
it
because
he
wanted
to
do
painting
there
and
he
went
out
of
his
way
to
find
somewhere
that
wasn't
near
residential.
So
he
could
have
this
manufacturing
business.
He
came
to
the
open
house
and
sent
us
an
email
that
was
the
one
input.
The
other
only
input
we
had
was
from
property
owners
to
the
west
of
this
site,
who
made
enquiries
about
if
they
could
tag
on
to
this
petition
and
being
included.
Also
dad.
A
O
O
P
O
P
O
Properties
right
to
the
west
of
where
you
see
in
red
in
that
triangle,
between
the
tracks
and
IAT
they're,
a
mix
of
both
residential
and
industrial
properties,
the
the
person
that
asks
their
parents
actually
live
there
in
a
home
there,
but
they
have
adjacent
business.
So
it's
a
it's
really
mixed
up
a
bunch
of
jumbled
different
uses
in
that
triangle.
P
O
They
they
talked
to
me
after
I
sent
notices.
They
phoned
me
I
talked
to
them
at
the
community
council
me
and
then
once
again
later,
I
my
advice
to
them
as
if
they
wanted
to
tag
on.
If
they
wanted
to
send
me
any
sort
of
written
statement
of
we'd
like
to
have
our
properties
included,
then
I
would
propose
it
to
the
petitioner
too,
if
they
were
okay
but
I
never
received
that
request
that
they
wanted
to
they
express
the
interests,
but
they
never
formalized.
It
did
I
answer
your
question.
A
And
I
would
hope
that
hand
would
be
actively
pursuing
picking
up
those
conversations
and
bringing
our
housing
needs
and
opportunities
financial
opportunities.
Also
to
those
conversations
so,
council
members,
we
are
set
to
hold
a
public
hearing
on
this
on
November
13th
at
7
p.m.
and
tentatively
take
action
on
this
rezone
request
on
Tuesday
November
27th
Nick.
Do
you
need
anything
else
from
us
great
with
that?
If
you
have
any
comments,
we'll
see
you
on
November
13th
and
we'll
vote
at
the
end
of
November?
Okay.
So
now,
let's
get
I'm.
A
Sorry
we're
all
over
the
agenda
map
today,
but
we're
going
to
go
to
our
budget
amendment
number
1
unless
I've
got
planning
folks
here,
Sarah
Sarah's,
here,
okay,
so
Nick
turbit!
Do
you
mind
if
we
just
do
item
2,
Sarah
you're
gonna
have
to
tell
me
how
to
say
her.
Name's
Jim,
Java,
Roenick,
Java
Roenick,
please
say
into
the
mic.
So
I
can
try
to
learn
and
Molly
thanks
for
being
here.
Okay,
guys,
I'm,
sorry
to
change
the
agenda,
every
single
item,
but
we're
gonna
do
this
item
two
and
then
we'll
get
to
the
budget.
A
C
C
The
two
small
parcels
have
a
combined
area
of
just
over
eight
thousand
square
feet:
they're
currently
zoned
RMF
75,
but
the
small
size
of
the
parcels
in
the
narrow
width
essentially
preclude
development
other
than
a
single
family
home,
so
that
proposed
rmu
45
would
allow
for
a
mixed-use
building
with
greater
residential
density
and
so
right
now
there's
a
tentative
proposal
for
a
mixed-use
residential
building
with
a
commercial
component.
On
the
first
floor,
the
Planning
Commission
held
a
public
hearing
on
this
project
on
June
27th
and
forward
a
recommendation
of
approval
to
the
City
Council
great.
A
C
P
C
A
Okay,
I
am
I'm
supportive
of
this
I.
My
kids
went
to
preschool
in
that
parking
lot
basically
and
that's
an
underutilized
law
across
the
street
from
the
stadium
and
the
University
and
I'm
happy
to
see
this
degree
of
density
being
proposed
there.
So
if
we
don't
have
any
questions,
then
we
are
setting
a
public
comment
tonight
for
November
13th
and
will
tentatively
take
action
on
Tuesday
November
27th
thanks
Sarah
Thank.
C
A
B
There
is
one
new
item
and
two
updates.
The
first
update
is
for
item
a3.
This
is
additional
funding
for
the
special
election
of
the
streets,
reconstruction
bond.
We
got
the
final
accounting
in
and
the
additional
funding
is
ninety
one
thousand
five
hundred
and
forty
six
dollars
and
there's
a
table
in
the
staff
report,
as
well
as
the
adoption
motion
sheets,
so
that
this
is
clearly
in
the
public
record
and
there
will
continue
to
be
outreach
efforts
leading
up
to
the
election
next
month,
but
we
do
not
expect
additional
funding
beyond
this
amount.
A
Members,
any
issues
on
that
item
I
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
Liz
Bueller
and
Kiera
Luke
and
all
of
the
team
that
has
been
working
on
this.
You
guys
have
done
an
incredible
amount
of
public
outreach.
It's
been
wonderful,
I'm,
so
proud
of
it
truly,
and
this
is
a
bargain.
This
is
what
the
cost
of
public
dialogue
is
so
I'm
happy
to
support
this
Ben.
Do
you
want
to
bring
up
any
other
items?
Never
a
three
change.
Yes,.
B
So
there's
additional
information
following
up
from
the
last
briefing,
the
request
was
reduced
from
75,000
to
fifty
two
thousand
nine
hundred.
This
amount
was
arrived
at
by
taking
the
contribution
the
city
made
to
the
Jazz
Festival
in
2001
when
the
city
started
funding
this
event
at
thirty
five
thousand
dollars,
which
was
held
steady
over
the
years,
and
if
inflation
was
taken
into
account,
it
would
be
closer
to
fifty
thousand
dollars.
The
administration
then
looked
at
what
thirty
percent
of
the
costs
would
be
to
put
on
the
event
they
decided.
A
A
P
This
maybe
was
mentioned
when
we
had
a
presentation
a
few
weeks
ago,
but
you
know
there
are
some
outstanding
questions
around
some
of
the
other
festivals
in
our
community
and
in
cotton.
You
know
it
cost
increases
there
and
I
just
can't
help,
but
to
think
about
this
in
context
and
so
I
have,
while
I
do
support
a
creative
way
of
getting
the
Jazz
Fest.
You
know
humming
along
again,
I
I'm
not
entirely
sold
on
this
process
right
now.
So
maybe
we
can
talk
about
that.
A
little
bit,
I,
don't
know
Amy
Fowler.
A
I
I
am
with
you
as
well
council
member
kitchen.
It
seems
I
feel
conflicted
about
this
I
know
we
just
raised
rates
for
our
festivals
in
different
areas
that
it's
going
to
for
some
of
our
big
festivals
impact
them
ten
thousand
dollars
or
so
for
next
year.
When
we
do
the
January
first
raise
and
then
they
receive
less
funding
from
programs
like
ace,
and
so
this
is,
and
they
that's
the
only
funding
they
receive
from
the
city.
We
don't
give
necessarily
discounts
on
on
these
rates.
A
Councilmember
Rogers
I
just
want
to
mention
that
we
did
say
we
want
to
have
a
discussion
about
potentially
subsidizing
those
their
costs.
Justified
cost
increases
I
recognize
that,
but
we
we've
deliberated
quite
a
bit
about
how
do
we
keep
those
festivals
humming
along
and
we
haven't
yet
had
that
kind
of
a
discussion
about
where
that
money
would
come
from
councilmember
Rogers,
yeah.
H
But
I've
been
trying
for
a
couple
years
now
to
try
to
get
the
symphony
to
come
and
do
a
concert
in
Riverside,
Park
and
I.
Don't
know
I
kind
of
that
in
to
form
a
budget
amendment
to
try
and
make
this
happen.
I
feel
it
needs
to
come
back
to
the
general
through
a
general
budget
and
just
bring
it
back
and
let's
discuss
it
then-
and
you
know
there's
for
me:
I,
the
Arts
Council
doesn't
get
a
vote
on
this
right
and
to
me
this
should
tie
in
with
Arts
Council
it's.
H
This
is
all
part
of
you
know,
programming,
right
and
I
feel
like
they
should
have
a
voice
and
how
this
is
gonna
be
run
it
shouldn't
just
be.
You
know,
just
one
person
in
the
mayor's
department
saying
this
is
how
it's
going
to
be
done.
It
needs
to
be
formulated
to
grow,
and
in
order
to
get
that
support,
it's
got
to
come
from
the
Arts
Council
and
they
didn't
vote
on
it
so
I.
Unless
it
goes
back
to
him
and
it
comes
to
the
general.
You
know
for
the
general
budget,
I'd
love
to
do
it.
A
H
C
H
Well,
I
want
them
to
have
feedback,
I
mean
it
says
in
there
that,
because
somebody
else
is
going
to
be
operating
the
the
fund
that
the
art
council
doesn't
not
have
to
vote
on
it
right
and
I
feel
like
really
it's
under
their
stewardship
right.
They
should
be
voting
on.
They
should
help
promote
it
and
put
it
together
right.
H
C
A
C
A
A
Yeah
yeah
and
you
didn't
put
that
in
your
straw
poll
I
was
just
trying
to
remember
when
that
context
was
going
to
be
available,
but
I
agree
that
having
a
vote
from
the
Arts
Council
and
I
mean
they've
got
some
serious
hiring
that
they're
in
the
process
of
so
it
would
probably
be
helpful
to
have
a
director
in
place
if
we're
talking
about
bringing
in
a
program
in
another
program
into
their
portfolio.
Any
other
discussion
on
your
straw
poll
so.
B
There
is
one
other
update:
it
is
a
new
item
to
the
budget
amendment.
This
is
council
added
item
I,
for
it
is
the
creation
of
an
expenditure
budget
of
2.6
million
dollars
to
build
new
roads
in
the
northwest.
Quadrant
they're,
located
at
57,
50,
west
and
59
60
West
from
150
South
to
300
south
and
the
interlocal
agreement
which
is
attached
should
be
in
your
packet,
is
for
the
county
to
reimburse
the
city
up
to
the
2.6
million
dollars
for
the
road
reconstruct
or
for
the
road
construction.
These
are
new
roads.
A
C
C
A
H
You,
yes,
this
is
the
interlocal
agreement
that
was
signed
by
both
the
county
and
the
city
to
do
a
reimbursement
program
for
these
the
Statler
project
were
we
were
trying
to
set
it
up
to
go
to
the
budget
amendment,
but
Statler's
already
fronted
the
cost
of
the
roads.
The
work
is
mostly
done
and
I
think
there
was
an
effort
to
try
and
get
this
happening
faster,
so
Stadler
did
not
have
to
carry
those
costs
until
budget
amendment
2
is
done,
so
this
is
one
where
Sadler's
gonna
pay
for
it.
H
A
N
H
So
this
is
a
this:
was
a
the
county
had
a
pool
of
money
from
the
legislature.
That
was,
it
was
provided
by
the
legislature,
and
this
was
a
funding.
This
was
a.
This
was
a
project
that
was
agreed
to
by
Salt
Lake
City
in
Salt,
Lake
County
last
fall
for
this
roadwork
in
the
Stadler
area,
the
2.6
million
dollars
the
way
that
the
agreement
works.
The
county
will
reimburse
the
city
for
the
project.
H
Now,
typically,
we
would
go
out
to
bed
and
hire
a
contractor
and
build
this
this
road
and
they
get
reimbursed
by
the
county,
because
there
was
a
time
issue
with
Stadler
and
trying
to
get
roads
in
in
place
for
the
work
they're
trying
to
do
and
and
the
development
out
there
they
needed
to
get
work
on
the
project,
so
Statler
fronted
the
money
so
that
so
there's
no
increment.
This
is
just
a
reimbursement
that
we
will
get
from
the
county
as
part
of
the
original
agreement.
A
C
N
L
A
H
I
think
Stadler
will
be
happy
to
get
the
money
as
soon
as
possible.
I
think
the
goal
here
was
to
get
it
on
budget
amendment
one.
So
it
didn't
go
all
the
way
until
December
4
budget
amendment
2.
So
if
you
felt
comfortable
waiting
an
extra
week,
I
think
that's
fine
I
think
Stadler
will
just
appreciate
having
their
reimbursement
as
soon
as
possible.
I.
A
B
A
It's
an
attachment
there,
so
council
members,
we
are
going
to
take
we're
at
least
going
to
hold
a
public
comment
period
tonight
again,
and
then
we
will
have
a
motion
to
take
action
if
we
want
to
tonight.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
with
that.
We're
a
little
behind
we're
going
to
take
a
15,
20
minute
break
and
we're
going
to
come
back
to
do
CIP
at
4:30.
H
H
H
H
J
J
We
wanted
to
start
and
frame
this
discussion
as
we
sort
of
anticipate
the
transmittal
that
will
be
coming
your
way
for
the
capital
facilities
plan.
I
know
we've
talked
about
this
for
probably
over
two
years
now
and
the
development,
and
it
certainly
has
been
a
long
time
coming,
and
so
this
is
really
a
high-level
overview.
We've
been
working
with
the
council
office
to
also
set
up
some
smaller
group
meetings
to
go
over
some
stuff,
so
certainly
lots
of
opportunities
to
kind
of
discuss,
provide
input
as
we
sort
of
develop.
J
This
first
go
of
the
capital
facilities
plan,
so
I
just
wanted
to
preface
with
that
I
think.
The
first
thing
is
really
kind
of
grounding
us
and
where
the
plan
lies
amongst
all
the
plans,
as
you
all
know,
we
we
truly
rely
on
the
master
plans
to
guide
all
of
our
work
in
the
community
and
from
that
we
sort
of
do
other
plans.
The
capital
facilities
plan
is
is
based
in
that,
and
then
we,
of
course,
did
it
backwards.
J
Definitions
and
language
and
I
know
this
is
so
small,
so
don't
feel
like
you
need
to
read
it
all.
It's
pretty
critical
and
I
think
this
is
a
key
place
where
we
really
rely
on
Finance
so
that
we
get
it
right.
You
know
we,
we
do
a
lot
of
sort
of
terminology
around
this
type
of
stuff
and
as
we
talk
about
the
capital
facilities
plan,
it's
really
important
to
determine
what
we're
talking
about.
J
Knowing
that
often
there's
gray
area,
we
had
some
of
these
conversations
last
week
as
we
went
through
the
log
about
what's:
maintenance
versus,
what's
a
capital
asset
I
think
most
of
you
are
really
familiar
with
CIP
project
and
what
it
is
in
terms
of
construction
and
purchase
or
renovation
of
buildings
parks
or
streets.
Typically,
what
we
have
seen
I
mean
I
think
it's
important
to
know-
and
this
is
a
key
piece
and
you'll
see
this
again
later
in
the
presentation.
J
J
Now
I
think
it's
important,
because
we
talk
a
lot
about
deferred
maintenance
and
how
that
plays
in
when
we
look
at
the
CIP
log.
You'll
see
that
we've
kind
of
split
it
out
and
of
course
finance
was
really
helpful
in
doing
this
splitting
out
maintenance
from
capital
assets,
so
the
way
that
we
really
think
about
it.
This
is
you
know
what
happens
with
our
means
is
is
when
we
defer
it,
it
ultimately
gets
deferred
and
deferred
and
deferred,
and
then
it
qualifies
eventually
as
a
capital
asset,
renewal
and
I'll.
J
Look
to
Mary
Beth
to
kind
of
help
me
correct
that
so
at
times
we're
because
we
haven't
put
the
upfront
maintenance,
it
deteriorates
more
quickly,
and
then
it
becomes
a
backlog
of
service
and
turns
into
a
capital
renewal
project
which
of
course,
is
more
costly
in
the
long
run,
and
then
you
know
the
ongoing
maintenance,
so
the
CFP
process
was
really
determined
to
kind
of
capture
all
of
these
categories.
We
can
refer
back
to
these
definitions
and
as
we
go,
we
can
certainly
ask
more
questions
anything
you
want
to
add
on
that
piece.
J
Mary
Beth
Or,
okay,
but
this
is
really
critical
for
I,
think
finance
and
what
qualifies
and
why
weari
scope
projects.
So
certainly
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
vetting
these
pieces
so
historically
just
to
take
a
look,
because
we
had
such
limited
pay-as-you-go
funds
for
CIP,
we've
really
limited
applications
between
50,000
and
a
million
dollars.
So
the
idea
was
if
it
was
over
a
million
dollars,
the
chances
of
it
getting
funded
through
CIP
were
really
slim.
J
There
just
isn't
quite
enough
funding,
and
so
we
had
that
category,
which
meant
that
other
CIP
projects
that
really
are
within
the
definition
between
one
and
five
million
dollars
continued
to
be
forgotten
or
not
represented.
So
this
council
has
often
talked
about
the
transparency.
How
do
we
see
the
whole
picture?
J
How
do
we
see
all
the
projects
and
we
didn't
get
to
through
the
CIP
process,
because
it
didn't
seem
feasible
to
fund
them,
which
really
wasn't
a
good
solution
in
terms
of
long
term
policy,
and
then
we
had
capital
asset
projects
which
we
have
been
successful
in
funding
through
bonds
for
fire
stations
or
police
precincts.
But
certainly
there
was
this
gap,
and
so
that
really
became
the
impetus
to
work
on
the
CFP
I.
J
Bring
this
up
because
it
has
been
a
long
time
coming
and
also
we've
worked
really
hard
internally
to
meet
some
of
the
key
milestones
with
both
the
the
mayor's
office
and
the
council's
help.
Certainly,
the
resolution
29
that
was
updated
and
passed
last
year
has
been
very
helpful
in
helping
this
Capitol
facilities
plan
become
realized.
We
have
worked
with
departments
year-round
that
really
only
started,
probably
in
the
last
18
to
24
months,
where
we
worked
collaboratively
on
city
needs,
how
they
aligned
with
master
plans
and
trying
to
gain
a
cohesive
list
of
that.
J
J
This
is
just
the
group
of
us
that
work
together.
I
mean
I
think
that
they
spent
a
whole
day
working
on
capital
facilities
and
what
it
meant
and
workshops
and
it's
much
harder
to
compile
than
we
ever
anticipated,
but
certainly
appreciate
all
of
the
endeavors
of
the
teams
and
all
the
different
divisions
and
departments
that
came
together
for
this
plan.
J
This
list-making,
if
you
will
sort
of
the
collective
list
of
needs,
is
challenging
for
many
reasons.
How
do
you
scope
it?
Is
it
all
the
needs
that
you
could
possibly
want
in
the
world?
Does
it
include
all
growth?
Do
we
do
just
two
safety
issues
so
as
we
worked
through
that
it
took
on
many
forms,
and
but
we
picked
a
stopping
point,
and
so
that's
what
you'll
see
in
the
transmittal
and
what
we
kind
of
said
is
some
growth
related
needs,
but
certainly
existing
needs.
This
is
the
place
to
capture
it.
J
How
do
we
gain
a
comprehensive
list
that
can
help
inform
total
cost
going
forward?
You
can
see
the
sources
that
are
used
and
the
funding
uses.
What
you'll
see
on
the
next
slide
is
that
the
of
course
the
uses
far
outweigh
the
sources
which
produces
a
funding
gap,
a
very
large
one
for
our
capital
needs.
J
So
what
you
have
is
you
sort
of
have
all
of
your
funding
sources
and
then
that
large
white
space
above
is
basically
the
needs
that
are
unmet
now.
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
in
mind
and
Mary
about
this
really
good
about
reminding
about
us
all
of
this.
Is
it
sort
of
projections
right,
so
there's
no
clear
way
to
know
this
will
be
evolving.
J
So
on
this
page,
I've
kind
of
highlighted
some
of
the
next
steps
that
will
happen
over
small
groups
and
then,
as
we
begin
to
dive
into
the
capital
facilities
plan
on
the
right,
you'll,
see
sort
of
the
pay-as-you-go
funding
compared
to
debt.
And,
as
you
know,
we
talked
about
2022
a
lot
and
also
we're
often
reminded
that
we
never
want
to
bind
future
councils
for
funding.
But
in
terms
of
how
we
develop
the
CFP
and
go
forward.
I.
J
Think
it's
critical
to
begin
to
understand
how
that
funding
stream
is
going
to
shift
so
I
think
the
key
pieces
that
we're
working
on
now
is
to
continue
to
meet
with
a
small
group
of
committed
individuals
in
terms
of
bringing
the
capital
facilities
plan
to
fruition.
We
are
going
to
have
continued
policy
discussions
around
funding
scenarios,
we're
going
to
create
additional
scope
for
a
list
of
city
assets.
So
you
know
that's
a
policy
discussion
of
what's
included
in
the
CFP
versus
not
when
we
really
began
this
project.
J
One
of
the
things
that
Marybeth
has
talked
a
lot
about
that
is
a
great
idea,
is
also
the
creation
of
a
CI,
be
a
CIP
and
a
CA
P
book,
where
you
sort
of
have
all
of
that
listed
out
with
one
pagers
and
I
think
we're
anticipating
doing
that.
The
next
budget
cycle
so
obviously
we'll
look
to
her
leadership
for
that,
but
help
where
we
can
and
then
I
think.
J
Another
key
piece
that
gets
lost
in
this
but
is
really
critical
and
we've
worked
very
closely
with
Public
Services
on
is
sort
of
a
project
management
system.
How
does
this
become
visually
accessible
to
the
public,
to
the
council
to
everybody
who
might
want
to
interact
with
it
and
so
currently
we're
working
with
cartograph
to
make
that
a
reality,
but
it's
certainly
evolving
and
then
established
long
range
policy,
guidance
for
the
capital
improvement
program
such
as
new
funding
sources,
bomb
scenarios
and
then
funding
maintenance
through
CIP
to
maintain
existing
facilities
to
a
defined
level.
J
A
C
A
B
B
B
Q
That
would
be
public,
because
then
it
gives
the
public
false
sense
of
of
when
something
is
going
to
happen,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
will
argue
that
it
is
better
to
know
that
something
is
on
the
list
and
going
to
happen
or
that
something
is
just
not
at
all
on
the
list.
Do
we
are
we
any
closer
to
I
know
that
we've
talked
about
this
a
lot
in
the
past?
Are
we
closer
to
having
something
where
we
as
a
council,
can
look
where
the
public
can
look
to
see?
R
Good
afternoon
Donna
Wagner
deputy
city
engineer,
we
recently
published
an
anticipated
street
construction
list
and
that
included
what
we
anticipate
for
2019
and
summer
2020.
That
included
again
still
has
to
be
approved
by
the
roadway
selection
committee,
but
because
it's
anticipated
and
we
need
coordination
happen
with
other
utility
providers,
developers,
etc.
That
included
7th
West
27th
South,
ninth
south
from
about
10:00
theis
to
13th
East
13th
east
from
anyway.
R
It's
probably,
we
can
also
send
you
that
notice
that
was
published
in
the
paper
and
is
on
our
web
site,
and
that
will
give
you
an
idea
of
the
immediate
from
2019
or
2020
construction
season.
And
beyond
that
we
do
have
a
five-year
plan.
We
would
like
roadway
selection
committee
to
review
that
in
November
prior
to
publishing
it
online
okay.
Q
Okay,
so
the
fight
and
the
five-year
plan
is
specific
on
on
streets
that
you
would
have
yes,
okay,
great.
That
I
think
that
would
be
very
helpful.
That's
good
to
know,
I
feel
much
better.
So
thank
you
for
for
sharing
that.
So
that's
going
to
be
in
November
that
you
will
meet
with
the
road
committee
right.
R
M
R
Q
Because
it's
kind
of
a
chicken
or
egg
thing-
and
this
is
one
of
the
you
know
one
of
the
issues
that
I
think
we've
had
before.
Where
we
talk
regularly
about
you
know,
we
all
know
that
we
need
more
money
going
to
streets,
sidewalks
infrastructure,
but
if
we
can't
make
that
case,
if
we
can't
demonstrate
to
the
public
that
you
know
that
we
have
a
plan,
it's
it's
a
tough
ask.
So
I
think
that
five-year
plan
will
help
I
hope
it's
not
too
late
before
the
vote
comes
in
so
but
at
least
it's
coming.
Q
Think
I
would
just
say:
I
mean
I'm
of
the
opinion
that
you
know
more
infrared.
There
have
more
information
than
less
information.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
what
we'd
do
with
it
at
this
point,
so
you
know
I.
Don't
think
that
you
need
to
necessarily
you
know
worry
about
getting
the
draft
out.
It's
I
mean
we're
a
month
to
the
election
anyway,
so
could
have
been
helpful.
R
B
I
would
just
add,
it
would
be
really
helpful
for
the
five-year
plan
to
be
public,
but
it
also
could
create
some
false
expectations
because
not
all
streets
deteriorate
at
the
same
rate,
and
so
there's
always
that
unknown
variable
where
some
streets
might
appear
much
worse.
Two
years
later
than
we
were
expecting
yeah.
Q
Q
C
B
B
The
next
item
is
the
700
south
of
bridge.
This
is
a
new
bridge
that
would
be
built
at
approximately
4800
West
by
the
Union
Pacific
railroad
tracks,
and
the
council
has
seen
this
come
up
a
couple
times
before
it
is
a
little
over
18
million
dollars
to
build,
and
the
existing
funding
includes
four
million
from
the
state,
a
previous
appropriation
from
CIP
and
the
request
this
year
was
for
5.3
million,
but
the
board
and
the
mayor
both
recommended
a
little
more
than
half
of
that
at
2.3
million.
B
B
The
first
time
it
came
to
my
attention
was
in
the
impact
fee
facilities
planned
in
2016,
and
it
was
identified
as
a
way
to
overcome
a
lot
of
the
traffic
congestion
problems
that
are
common
on
the
west
side
because
of
people
essentially
waiting
for
the
trains,
sometimes
for
an
hour
and
the
options.
If
you
are
in
the
west
side,
industrial
area
to
try
and
cross
those
tracks
are
limited.
B
You'd
have
to
go
out
of
your
way
to
I
think
it's
north
temple
or
the
Bankard
or
highway,
and
with
with
the
expected
growth
in
the
West
Side
industrial
area,
the
bridge
was
identified
as
a
way
to
decrease
those
congestion
problems
and
also
increase
safety
by
removing
the
intersection
of
vehicles
with
the
tracks
and
I'm.
Guessing
there's
additional
reasons
that
Don
might
be
able
to
speak
to
yeah.
R
N
Q
And
that
was
exact.
Thank
you
came
out
of
chair.
That
was
exactly
my
point.
I,
you
know.
I'm
support
I
feel
better
about
this,
knowing
that
it's
gonna
be
funded
with
impact
fees,
because
impact
fees
have
been
collected
from
that
area
anyway,
and
so
I.
If
this
was
coming
from,
you
know,
general
fund
or
other
funds,
I'd,
probably
be
pushing
back
harder.
Q
You
know,
but
I
think
with
impact
fees.
This
is
something
that
you
know.
We
can't
explain,
but
I
would
like
to
still
see
us
keep
that
on
a
list
that
we
present
to
the
Port
Authority
board
and
if
there
is
any
way
that
we
could
get
some
sort
of
a
compensation
returned
from
that
board
in
through
tax
increment,
that
the
board
will
be
entirely
in
you
know
responsible
for
I
would
like
us
to
at
least
have
that
you
know
on
a
list
so
that
we
can
make
that
argument
to
the
board
councilmember.
A
A
Q
Q
The
problem,
though,
is
we
still
have
additional
development
taking
place
out
there
yeah
we're
not
getting
tax
increment
on
it,
but
it
is.
It
is
something
that
that
does
make
sense,
and
it
is
something
that
does
impact
existing
businesses
that
are
already
out
there
and
those
existing
businesses
have
been
paying
impact
fees
as
they've
developed
their
new
warehousing
and
everything
else,
and
so
that's
where
I
ended
up
kind
of
changing
my
position
a
little
bit
and
saying
okay,
since
they
paid
into
it.
Q
C
B
A
A
Q
A
R
A
I,
don't
see
us
I,
can't
I,
don't
have
a
crystal
ball,
but
I
don't
see
us
funding
the
entire
cost
of
the
bridge
that
we
can't
collect
impact
fees
or
sorry
tax
increment
on
for
that
area
any
longer
and
that
we
would
like
we
would
probably
prefer
to
look
for
a
match
opportunity
with
them
before
we
would
ever
look
at
entire
funding
on
this.
So
I
think,
let's
not
spend
anything
yet.
A
N
Q
B
So
Street
impact
fees
and
there's
a
one-page
quick
guide
attached
that
council
staff
put
together
to
try
to
answer
these
questions.
So
Street
impact
fees
cannot
be
used
for
any
maintenance,
so
they
can't
be
used
for
like
a
slurry
seal.
For
example,
they
can
be
used
for
new
roads
like
on
the
west
side,
industrial
area,
where
we
need
those
roads
for
growth
and
they
can
also
be
used
as
a
percentage.
Q
Q
There
is
there's
a
project,
that's
unfunded
currently
on
in
this
plan
and
it's
an
extension
of
the
nine
line
trail
through
the
Matheson
Nature
Preserve,
just
above
Sunnyside.
My
question
is:
could
streets
impact
fee
money
be
used
for
the
construction
of
a
multi-use
path
if
it
is
adjacent,
if
it
if
it's
adjacent
to
a
street,
so.
C
A
Within
the
right-of-way
or
I,
don't
I'm
not
saying
this
right,
but
basically
that
may
apply
to
the
streets
impact
fee,
availability
and
I
think
we'd
love
to
hear
about
what,
where
those
opportunities
might
be
and
I.
It's
reminding
me
of
a
comment
when
we
had
Fred
Philpott
here
two
years
ago,
maybe
and
help
me
remember
this,
and
we
asked
him
about
using
imp
streets
impact
fees
for
expansion
of
bus
service.
A
We
cannot
use
it
for
a
service,
but
it
seemed
like
there.
There
was
some
creative
questions
being
asked
around
alternative
transportation
or
expansion
of
access
to,
but
it
was
basically
about
if
you
can
show
what
increased
based
on
population
growth
is
placed
on
the
roadways
and
you
can
offer
remedy
for
that
increased
growth.
This
anything.
B
A
B
Thought
it
was
like
a
10%
like
as
a
category
instead
of
listing
an
individual
project.
Sometimes
you
can
list
categories
of
projects
that
are
eligible
like
new
parks
are
a
hundred
percent
eligible
and
I
think
the
answer
was
as
as
a
category
it
would
need
to
be
added
to
the
city's
impact
fee
facilities
plan
right.
N
N
A
B
A
Q
Yes,
that
that
works
and
then,
if
the
follow
up
on
that,
if
we
are
able
to
do
that,
if
there's
you
know
sections
that
we've
looked
at
for
parks
funding,
but
we
could
actually
use
streets
funding.
We
could
then
use
the
parks
funding
for
other
parts
of
the
nine
line.
Still
it
still
stays
within
the
nine
line.
But
you
know
instead
of
funding
the
the
park
section
with
Park
money,
we
can
fund
it
with
streets
and
then
we
could
fund
something:
that's
not
funded
yet
on.
C
B
B
Next
project
is
1900,
East,
Street
reconstruction.
It
is
also
a
constituent
project
and
it
is,
it
is
from
looks
like
Wilmington
Avenue
to
parlays
Canyon
Boulevard,
and
it
would
be
a
full
reconstruction
of
not
just
the
street,
but
also
the
curb
and
gutter
drive
approaches
and
parts
of
the
sidewalk
and.
R
A
B
Q
Takes
me
right
back
to
where
it
was
earlier
saying
that
if
we
can
identify
streets
and
we
can
have
them
added
to
the
plan,
then
they're
added
and
if,
if
funding
is
available,
its
funded,
we
can
get
it,
but
we
can't
I
mean
the
problem.
Is
it's
all
check
again?
It's
chicken
or
egg
thing.
You
know.
If
we're,
if
they're
not
listed,
we
can't
use
the
money,
but
we
can't
use
the
money
if
they're
not
listed
so
I.
A
Have
a
question
probably
for
dawn
on
the
my
understanding.
The
11th
east
portion
is
that
it's
around
the
post
office
and
not
in
the
single-family
residence
portion
north
correct
around
the
post
office
so
on
the
19th
east.
This
is
residential,
yes
and
I've
had
some
concerns
from
actually
not
concerns.
But
frustration
from
some
residents
who
have
had
concrete
streets
put
in
have
had
their
sewer
main
line.
Go
out
have
had
to
pay
for
replacement
of
the
concrete
street
and
they
are.
It
is
very
expensive.
Yeah.
R
A
R
It
would
be
less
and
there's
a
bit
of
a
philosophical
difference
between
the
prior
city
engineer
and
the
current
city
engineer
just
on
that
issue
of
concrete
streets.
Certainly
your
arterioles.
We
see
value
in
concrete,
but
on
your
local
streets,
it's
probably
not
necessary
concrete.
So
it's
certainly
something
we're
evaluating
right
now
because,
again
of
the
transition
of
a
new
city
engineer
and
a
different
one
of
the
reasons
being
the
impact
to
homeowners
on
those
repairer.
R
A
Will
you
convey
the
sentiment
that
I
shared
of
district
5
residents
who
have
incurred
a
significant
cost
I?
Think
a
lot
of
people
aren't
going
to
be
living
on
that
Street
for
50
years,
but
a
good
number
of
people
are
going
to
need
to
tear
it
up
to
access
their
main
line,
unfortunately,
and
people
I've
heard
that
they
would
rather
have
asphalt
streets
in
front
of
their
houses.
For
that
reason,
we
appreciate.
R
A
A
B
Avenue
curb
and
gutter.
This
is
also
a
constituent
application.
It
extends
from
Elizabeth
Street
to
Highland
Drive.
It's
one
block,
it's
in
district
7,
just
south
of
the
IAT
interstate,
and
this
would
be
installing
curb
and
gutter
rebuilding
the
sidewalks
and
the
drive
approaches,
and
it
would
also
add
in
a
DA
accessibility
ramps.
B
R
B
This
one
is
one
of
two
regional
athletic
complex
projects
on
the
funding
lug
this
year
and
you'll
notice.
The
request
was
for
four
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
dollars,
and
it
was
only
recommended
for
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
from
the
board
and
the
mayor
and
the
project
can
be
funded
separately.
This
is
one
of
the
items
each
project
is
asked
to
answer,
and
the
shade
structure
is
seventy
five
thousand
dollars.
There
are
two
of
them,
so
the
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
would
be
for
two
shade
structures.
B
A
B
Up
is
the
multi-use
loop
trail
for
public
access
at
Rose,
Park
Golf
Course?
This
request
was
recommended
for
full
funding
by
the
board
and
the
mayor,
and
it
has
several
components,
the
largest
being
a
five
kilometer
loop,
and
one
of
the
benefits
that
was
discussed
is
that
this
would
open
up
the
use
for
races.
Since
it's
a
5k.
A
A
Okay
I
want
to
talk
about
this.
I
want
to
say
that
this
is
a
proposal
that
uses
a
half
a
million
dollars
of.
Actually
it
doesn't
it's
a
half
million
dollars
of
usable
money
anywhere
in
this
entire
packet,
and
we
have,
for
example,
the
the
project
that
councilmember
Johnston
brought
up
at
the
beginning
of
our
meeting.
That
is,
the
three
creeks
confluence.
That's
gone
through
years
of
collaboration
and
creation
with
the
community
there
that
is
short
money
and
shovel-ready.
A
What's
ready
to
go
and
where
the
impetus
came
from,
but
I
I
I'm
with
you
councilmember
Fowler,
that
I
think
we
have
to
come
up
with
multi-use
scenarios
for
our
golf
courses,
because
we
haven't
had
a
golf
discussion
about
really
how
to
achieve.
This.
I
know
that
the
administration's
working
on
some
RFP
scenarios
for
other
course
but
I,
don't
necessarily
feel
like
this
is
ready
in
the
context
of
how
golf
survives
and
that's
my
opinion
on
this
councilmember
kitchen
and
then
we'll
go
back
to
you.
Counselor
and
Fowler
yeah.
P
P
I
think
it's
important
to
add
multi-use
to
our
our
golf
courses,
but
I'm
still
unclear
if
this
actually
gets
to
the
solvency
question
in
any
way
and
I,
don't
think
it
does
but
I
hate
to
on
this,
as
though
it's
part
of
getting
to
a
greater
understand
security
with
our
golf
problem
and
I,
don't
know
that
it
actually
will
do
that
as
much
as
I'd
love
to
see
Rose
Park,
Golf
Course
activated.
My
other
thanks.
F
So
during
the
budget
conversation
for
fiscal
year,
nineteen
budget,
three
of
the
takeaways
that
we
went
away
from
the
table
with
for
the
golf
budget,
were
that
we
needed
to
find
diverse
revenue.
We
needed
to
find
multiple
uses
for
our
existing
golf
courses,
and-
and
this
is
one
of
those-
this
is
one
of
those
proposals,
and
so
we
are
actually
in
the
final
phases
of
an
RFP
for
another
golf
course,
or
it
could
potentially
be
this
one
we're
leaving
a
little
bit
open
in
the
RFP
process.
And
so
this
is
the
other
solution
right.
F
So
this
is.
This
is
bringing
that
other
option
to
the
table,
which
is
is
recognizing
that
we
have
a
thousand
acres
of
very
incredible
open
space
land
in
our
golf
system.
And
how
are
what
are
the
ways
that
we
can
use
that
that
the
general
public
can
use
that
Golf
property
so
that
it
is
not
an
exclusive
use
to
the
residents
of
the
city
and.
P
P
F
F
G
L
G
Fact,
the
design
consultants
this
week
just
came
up
with
a
plan
to
route
the
path
through
the
golf
course
in
a
safe
manner.
So
we
were
somewhat
concerned
about
the
path
and
the
golf
balls
and
that
kind
of
thing
and
our
original
plan
had
to
be
changed
so
that
there
weren't
large
fences
all
throughout
the
golf
course.
So
it
is
definitely
feasible
and
shovel-ready.
So
to
answer
your
question
about
the
services
of
the
northwestern
loop
of
the
path
would
be
fully
paved
and
it
would
be
great
for
rollerblading,
strollers
and
longboard
type
activities.
G
The
eastern
loop
of
the
path
would
be
compactable
durable,
permeable
surface,
so
that
could
be
like
dgb
like
crushed
granite,
or
it
could
be
like
a
permeable
pavement
type
thing
so
that
you
could
have
strollers
walkers
joggers,
that
kind
of
thing,
and
then
the
the
southern
loop
would
include
natural
surface
pathway
and
paved
pathway.
So
it's
a
combination
of
both
and.
F
I
would
like
to
just
add
to
that
that
this
is
also
in
response
to
a
need
that
we
have
in
our
city.
We
could
probably
book
a
5k
race
every
day
of
the
week
at
Liberty
Park,
for
example,
because
it's
a
closed
loop
and
we
have
a
need
in
our
city
to
have
other
places
where
we
can
hold
these
types
of
events.
And
so
this
would
help
us
meet
that
need
as
well
so.
P
P
C
G
A
G
C
A
G
Pretty
low
it's
a
path,
the
Golf
Course
is
already
being
maintained
at
a
deficit,
yes,
it's
being
maintained
by
them
and
so
just
repairs
to
the
path
which
depends
on
the
surface.
If
you
have
granite
most
of
the
granite
paths,
don't
really
take
a
lot
of
maintenance,
just
some
weed
control
and
then
pavement
asphalt
or
whatever
you
decide
to
use.
Madam.
B
C
A
I
would
like
to
know
when,
when
you
say
that
there's
a
community
need
for
the
5k,
if
the
5k
needs
all
three
loops
completed
in
order
to
be
viable
or
if
the
East
path,
east
path
section
all
on
its
own
or
any
of
the
other
sections
on
its
own
would
make
the
5k
the
space
available.
Can
you
get
back
with
us
again.
A
I
I
I
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea
because,
as
stubborn
as
I
am
about
golf
I
also
understand
that
it
not
every
community
will
end
up
needing
or
wanting
or
continuing
to
fund
it,
and
it
may
be
something
that
one
community
sees
more
value
in
than
another.
That
said,
our
open
spaces
and
access
to
open
spaces
and
creating
and
activating
those
open
spaces
is
certainly
something
that
I
think
every
community
needs
and
you've
created
a
safe
and
viable
way
to
make
that
happen.
Wow.
I
Actually,
if
you
think
about
it,
perhaps
creating
a
space
where
we
have
some
revenue
diversity
with
a
5k
right
where
we
may
be
able
to
say
you
know
you
pay
an
X
fee
for
this
5k
room.
However,
those
work
and
we're
creating
some-
albeit
perhaps
small
revenue,
maybe
some
revenue
to
help
with
the
maintenance
of
a
trail
that
we've
created
so
for
me,
I,
see
more
than
just
I,
see
that
we
gave
you
a
task.
You
did
what
we
asked
you
to
do
and
in
a
very
creative,
viable
way
that
will
diversify.
I
A
F
F
A
Okay,
thanks
and
perhaps
you
could,
since
you've
already
begun
to
the
design
share
with
us
some
of
the
map
or
something
to
show
us
what
these
trails
do
in
the
length
of
the
trails.
Okay,
we're
gonna
have
to
call
it
quits.
For
tonight
we
had
20
minutes
on
next
week's
work
session
for
CIP,
but
we
didn't
get
far
enough
through
this,
so
we're
gonna
have
an
hour
and
we
gotta
work
quickly
because
we're
on
item
8
of
I
don't
know
how
many
are
in
the
capital.
We've.
A
A
So
we'll
do
an
hour
next
week
on
this
one.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
helping
us
get
through
this
one.
Let's
move
on
to
our
board
appointments
I
know
Tom
Godfrey's
in
the
audience.
That's
item,
eight,
our
board
appointment
to
the
public
utilities,
Advisory
Committee
come
on
up
the
former
council
member
from
district
5.
L
You
know
a
number
of
years
ago,
I
was
appointed
to
the
Metropolitan
Water
District
of
Salt
Lake
and
sandy
and
I
think
we've
explained
to
most
of
you
when
you've
taken
the
tour
that
metro
controls
a
good
part
of
Provo
water
users,
Association
60%,
so
because
of
that
I
am
also
on
Provo
water
users,
Association
and
I'm.
The
president
of
that
organization,
as
well
so
and
then
Laura
briefer,
suggested
something
last
year
that
maybe
I
should
consider
being
on
Salt
Lake,
Public,
Utilities,
Advisory,
Committee
and.
L
You
know
and
I
think
Laura
was
thinking
too,
that
that
might
be
a
good
idea
to
have
some
kind
of
relationship
between
the
two
and
interestingly
enough
Sandy
City,
the
trustees
that
they
put
on
Metro
water.
Both
trustees
serve
on
their
Public,
Utilities,
Advisory,
Committee,
I.
Don't
think
Laura
wants
to
go
that
far.
A
Q
A
L
The
way
we
were
talking
about,
Laura
I
should
share
with
you.
Then
Laura
is
a
standout
in
the
water
community,
it's
a
male-dominated
world
and
with
what
she
does
and
legislature,
and
everything
like
that.
I
mean
she's
got
a
great
reputation
and
I
think
the
city
should
be
really
proud
of.
Her
and
I
have
her
on,
like
my
executive
committee,
for
profile
water
users,
because
she's
such
a
standout
and
really
thoughtful,
so
you
guys
are
really
lucky
to
have
as
a
resident
I
feel
really
good
about
that.
Well,.
A
C
A
R
Okay,
so
my
name
is
Angela:
Yaqui
I
was
nominated
to
be
in
the
human
commissioners
board,
representing
district
2m
of
tongue
and
descent,
and
a
single
mom
and
within
the
last
three
years,
I've
taken
in
my
sister's
kids,
which
is
I,
have
six
kids
total
at
home
and
so
I've
always
been
interested
in
human
rights.
I'm
a
personal
I
work
as
a
personal
assistant
to
Barbra
Tanner,
and
she
has
a
human
rights
Center
up
at
the
U
of
U.
That's.
A
A
It's
that
easy.
Like
I,
said
to
mr.
Godfrey,
we
will
approve
your
nomination
in
the
consent
portion
of
our
formal
agenda
later
tonight.
You
can
tune
in
to
channel
17
to
watch
if
you
want,
but
it's
fairly
uneventful
and
you
don't
need
to
stick
around
for
that
to
happen.
So
we
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
serve
and
we
wish
you
well
on
the
Human
Rights
Commission.
Thank.
R
A
C
B
A
C
First
of
all,
a
mini
migraine:
I
live
in
district
5
in
your
district
as
a
businessman
and
an
immigrant
and
a
lot
of
people
that
I
work
with
among
refugees.
I
feel
like.
We
have
a
lot
to
offer,
and
it's
a
pleasure
being
so
like
and
being
able
to
contribute
in
the
community
and
give
a
growing
number
of
restaurants
and
have
that
perspective.
C
A
Yes,
thanks
a
lot
of,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
being
willing
to
serve
and
take
time
out
of
your
your
busy
life
of
building
a
business
and
everything
else
to
help
build
our
community
and
give
us
advice
on
this
business
advisory
board.
So
just
like
I
said
to
the
other
two
you
don't
have
to
stick
around
will
approve
you
later
tonight
and
we
thank
you
for
your
service.
D
A
N
First
of
all,
the
council
has
appointments
on
the
citizen
compensation
advisory
board,
as
does
the
mayor
and
then
the
board
members
themselves
choose
a
final
member,
so
we
do
have
a
vacancy
right
now
in
the
City
Council
area
of
the
board.
So
we
have
a
gentleman
who
was
serving
and
is,
is
not
not
planning
to
continue
or
not
requesting
to
continue.
So
is
he
moving?
Thank
you
sorry.
N
Sometimes
we
don't
have
a
public
hearing
a
second
public
hearing
on
that
because
it's
been
part
of
the
budget
adoption
public
hearing
but
as
time
goes
on
and
it
is,
it
takes
longer
to
get
that
processed.
We
begin
to
have
questions
from
people
about
whether
they'll
have
an
opportunity
to
comment
on
it,
and
so
we
are
suggesting-
and
we
talked
with
the
chair
and
vice-chair
about
this
earlier-
suggesting
just
advertising
for
an
extra
public
hearing
to
take
place
on
October
16th,
so
that
those
people
who
have
asked
about
it
can
have
the
opportunity
to
comment.
N
C
The
only
complication
is
that,
to
the
extent
that
the
council
doesn't
adopt
later
in
the
year
that
can
sometimes
affect
who
applies
for
CIP
funding
for
next
year.
So
you
know
people
might
be
preparing
applications
and
then
decide
not
to
prepare
them
if
they
get
funding
this
year,
for
example,
or
vice
versa.
So
that's
the
only
complication
sooner.