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Planning Commission Meeting - September 30, 2020
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A
Now,
thanks
to
the
applicants
for
being
with
us
and
suffering
through
with
us
the
other
evening,
we
do
we
apologize
about
that,
but
we
appreciate
your
flexibility.
Okay,
let's
go
ahead
to
the
work
sessions.
The
first
one
is
800
south
and
state
street
design
review
at
approximately
754
south
state
street,
which
is
case
number
pln
pcm.
F
F
F
So
salt
lake
city
received
a
request
for
a
design
review
for
modifications
to
design
standards
to
develop
the
property
located
at
approximately
745
south
state
street.
The
project
is
a
proposed
11-story
mixed-use
development
with
360
residential
units
with
common
areas
on
the
upper
floors
and
commercial
and
retail
uses
on
the
ground
and
second
floor.
F
The
project
site
is
located
in
the
downtown
support
district
and
is
within
the
master,
the
downtown
master
plan.
Presently,
the
project
site
is
occupied
by
a
vacant.
What
used
to
be
the
series
building
and
surrounded
by
a
surrounding
parking
lot?
This
built.
Excuse
me
the
sears
building
was
vacated
in
2018
and
has
remained
vacant
since
planning
staff
is
requesting.
F
The
planning
commission
review
the
proposed
design
standard
modifications
as
a
work
session
to
provide
the
applicant
and
staff
feedback
before
the
design
review
returns
to
the
to
the
planning
commission
for
a
public
hearing
and
a
final
decision.
This
works
work
session
is
also
a
good
opportunity
to
discuss
the
changes.
Kimball
investments,
including
a
group,
are
proposing
on
a
larger
sears,
blog
and
I'll
just
go
through
a
brief
review
of
the
project.
F
To
give
you
additional
time
with
the
applicant
to
discuss
for
the
work
work
session,
presently
the
project
is
meeting
or
exceeding
the
majority
of
the
design
standards
required
in
the
d2
district.
This
includes
ground
floor
use
other
than
parking
on
at
least
80
percent
of
the
street,
facing
the
street
building
facade,
durable
building
materials,
which
cover
at
least
80
percent
on
the
ground.
F
The
design
standards
requested
by
the
applicant
to
be
modified
through
the
design
review
process
include
the
maximum
length
of
the
street
facing
building
facade
of
200
feet.
The
applicant
is
requesting
373
feet
for
the
building
length,
additional
parking
or
excuse
me,
additional
building
height
exceeding
65
feet
up
to
a
maximum
of
120
feet.
The
applicant
is
requesting
123
feet
with
a
five
foot
parapet
wall
which
is
allowed
to
exceed
into
the
maximum
building,
and
the
final
request
is
for
inoperable
for
operable
building
entrances
at
least
every
50
feet
on
street
facing
the
length
massage.
F
Does
the
architecture
justify
the
visual
impact
of
the
request
division
additional
height
by
providing
a
well-designed
building
with
a
distinct
top
middle
and
bottom
interest
in
the
structure,
and
when
determining
whether
the
subject
property
relates
to
the
height
and
scale
of
adjacent
and
nearby
properties?
Should
the
redevelopment
potential
of
adjacent
properties
be.
H
G
Commissioners,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
working
at
this
afternoon
to
discuss
our
master
plan
now
of
the
sears
block,
now
called
copper
yards
and
specifically
our
first
phase.
The
jetty,
which
is
this
building
you
see.
My
name
is
ryan
kimball
with
kimball
investment
company
online
is
my
partner,
auber
malik
with
coleman
group,
along
with
the
project's
architects,
eduardo
giannis
and
matt
post
with
oz
architecture
out
of
denver.
G
G
Looking
back
at
the
beginning
or
the
plot
of
zion,
you
can
see
that
salt
lake's
large
blocks
had
an
emphasis
on
building
along
the
perimeters,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
in
that
first
slide,
but
that's
what
the
dots
are
with
community
agriculture
situated
within
the
center.
We
were
inspired
by
the
concept
of
central
green
amenities
within
these
large.
However,
good
work
and
commute
have
very
drastically
changed
and
present
challenges
to
modern
urban
development.
G
The
opportunity
to
deconstruct
nearly
an
entire
super
block
is
really
exciting.
Our
focus
to
create
a
strong
yet
welcoming
edge
with
defined
and
accessible
passageways
into
the
center
park,
reminiscent
of
the
interior
community.
Agriculture
espoused
by
the
plot
of
zion,
the
660
foot.
Long
super
block
was
broken
into
nine
quadrants,
each
approximately
200
feet
by
200
feet
separated
by
streets.
G
We
have
actively
worked
with
the
mayor's
office
city,
council,
rda
and
staff,
and
have
noted
the
common
sound
bites
from
each
which
include
salt,
lake's
master
plan
shows
downtown
extending
south
to
900.
South
density
was
encouraged,
incorporate
the
city's
life
on
state
plan,
which
specifically
mentions
living
and
living
in
retail
opportunities,
with
a
focus
on
healthy
and
sustainable
design
and
proximity
to
transit.
G
The
jetty
along
with
the
park,
is
the
first
phase
of
several
and
will
begin
to
book
in
the
southern
border
of
downtown,
as
well
as
kick
off
the
street
redevelopment
area.
It
is
important
to
note
that
the
jetty
is
the
only
phase
that
faces
a
state
road
as
part
of
the
master
plan.
We
have
met
with
udot
to
determine
where
our
state
street
access
will
be
allowed.
Udot
mandated
the
distance
away
from
the
800
south
intersection,
which
happened
to
also
be
the
approximate
location
of
the
future
mid
block.
G
I
I
I
I
want
to
walk
you
through.
This
year's
diagrams
has
said
in
red
on
the
top,
how
we
touch
the
connection
between
the
ground
floor
and
the
building
and
then
on
the
bottom,
with
in
yellow
how
the
building
the
residential
tower
sits
on
top.
I
think
it's
important
for
me
to
illustrate
this
because
it
is
a
big
project
but
as
you
break
it
in
parts,
you'll
all
figure
out
or
understand
a
bit
better.
I
I
The
first
thing
we
did
is
looked
at
a
building
that
on
the
ground
level-
and
that's
this
joint
number
one
there
on
the
ground
level
is
a
commercial
base.
So
the
experience
between
sidewalk
street
sidewalk
and
building
brings
the
building
to
the
property
line
and
defines
that
experience
that
connects
really
the
sidewalk
with
the
building.
I
It's
very
porous,
it's
very
transparent,
and
it's
very
inviting
when
you
see
the
next
slide,
the
vehicular
circulation,
then
it's
limited,
so
it
access
from
only
one
street
into
the
around
the
perimeter
of
the
super
block
into
the
park,
but
it
also
allows
the
other
street.
That's
now
there
to
serve
as
an
exit
connection
for
service
vehicles
for
the
most
part.
I
So
then
what
happens
on
this?
The
the
story?
Number
three,
the
pedestrian
circulation,
becomes
key
of
how
we
identify
the
corners
within
the
block
and
then
at
the
alleyway
in
the
middle,
where
the
service
or
the
access
to
the
parking
garage
is
located
in
such
a
way
that
the
building
has
these
milestones
of
arrival
that
allow
that
connectivity
between
the
visitor
and
the
interior
of
the
building
the
last
diagram.
I
It
illustrates
that,
indeed,
on
the
north
side
of
the
property,
we
have
a
large
retail
component
and
then
around
the
parking
garage
on
with
depths
of
about
25
feet.
We
also
wrap
that
with
retail
components,
so
commercial
spaces
that
hide
the
access
of
the
the
pedestal
or
the
vehicular
access
to
the
building
the
parking,
as
well
as
all
the
service
components
of
the
building.
I
Now,
when
you
look
at
the
upper
levels
that
sit
on
top
of
all
of
this
and
I'll
describe,
the
plinth
base
a
little
further
in
with
the
elevations
of
the
building.
But
what
you
see
on
the
first
one
is
that
we
maximize
that
plane.
We
started
looking
at
how
we
put
a
donut
building
on
top
of
all
of
that
and
then
realize
very
quickly
the
importance
of
articulating
that
mass
in
such
a
way
that
we
take
advantages
of
views.
I
So
it
fits
on
the
page
now
north
meaning
downtown
is
to
the
left
on
the
south
corner
is
to
the
right
of
the
page
on
the
north.
As
you
can
see,
we
have
a
lot
of
retail
and
we
moved
it
back
in
such
a
way
that
the
new
street
that
we
are
connecting
to
the
park
from
state
street
is
located
in
a
way
that
allows
the
building
to
open
up
a
better
glance
of
what
happens
within
the
property,
the
larger
property.
I
You
see
also
that
on
the
south,
east
and
west
on
the
right
side
of
the
page,
the
commercial
space
is
different.
It's
25
feet
in
depth,
but
it
does
hide
all
of
the
garage
and
service
areas
of
the
facility
in
such
a
way
that
the
building
does
not
have
a
back
door.
If
you
will,
you
know
it,
it's
always
fronting,
and
it's
always
encouraging
that
experience
between
sidewalk
and
storefront.
I
I
I
We
looked
of
course,
there's
three
points
that
we
need
to
address.
One
is
the
height,
the
other
one
was
the
location
of
entries
and
the
other
one
has
to
do
with
the
length
of
the
facade,
and
let
me
start
with
that
as
we're
trying
to
understand
the
code,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
comply
with
it.
Yes,
indeed,
the
building
as
a
whole
is
going
to
have
a
deep
hole,
as
we
have
a
parking
garage
below
it.
At
the
moment
we
come
up
to
the
ground
level
and
we
have
the
user
experience.
I
We
are
allowing
that
to
be
only
three
levels,
but,
as
you
can
see
in
length,
we
break
the
facade,
so
it
feels
like
a
series
of
different
buildings
that
have
occurred
over
time,
even
though
this
is
developed
all
at
once
and
you're
going
to
see
that
better
on
the
elevations.
Now,
on
top
of
that
plane
of
three
levels,
we
have
the
residential
component.
That
does
something
very
similar.
It
breaks
the
mass
as
the
building
recesses
back
about.
I
I
don't
know,
80
to
100
feet
such
that
the
building
presence
on
the
street
on
the
pedestrian
experience
is
broken
into
shorter
masses,
as,
as
you
can
see
here,
we
define
it
as
building
a
and
building
b,
we're
also
playing
with
materiality
in
such
a
way
that
the
building
building
a
the
upper
part
in
yellow
is
different
than
building
b,
the
upper
part
in
yellow
as
well,
and
they
all
sit
on
a
plinth.
This
three-story
base
that
changes
from
back
in
the
middle
of
the
building.
I
I
You
also
see
that,
on
the
fourth
level
of
the
building,
we
do
have
a
component
that
is
an
amenity
to
be
used
by,
and
this
is
a
debate
that
our
clients
been
having
of
how
we
introduce.
Let's
say,
if
there's
a
grocer
on
this
side
on
the
big
north
part
of
the
property
that
maybe
they
could
utilize
that
space
as
well.
I
The
question
is
how
we
provide
a
community
of
300
or
so
350
apartments,
a
lot
of
people
living
here
with
the
opportunities
to
experience,
not
only
the
city
fabric
with
the
park
behind
us,
but
also
there
are
some
spaces
that
are
created
above
the
ground
right
away.
If
you
will,
the
height
of
the
building
on
the
right
side
of
this
page,
which
happens
to
be
the
north
wing,
is
pushing
the
11
stories
and
therefore
it
gets
right
below.
I
Actually
the
roof
height
is
right
below
the
allow
height
of
120,
which
counts
for
a
parapet,
and
we
are
leaving
ourselves
enough
room
such
that
we
know
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
drain
that
roof.
Accordingly,
the
9
was
very
careful
about
telling
you
that
the
building
has
a
roof
height
of
117
feet,
plus
a
five
foot
overhang
at
the
overhang
being
that
eve.
I
I
The
pedestrian
experience,
then,
is
rational
to
the
human
skill,
as
is
defining
the
idea
that
you
could
and
is,
directing
you
connect
to
different
parts
of
the
building.
Accordingly,
the
this
third
floor
that
you
see
there
is
a
parking
garage,
a
full
floor
of
parking
that
is
hidden
behind
a
screen
that
defines
that
base
for
the
building
as
a
whole.
I
If
you
give
me
the
other
corner,
please
you're,
looking
at
the
building
now
from
the
south
side
as
we're
approaching
downtown
from
the
south
on
state
street
and
what
you're
seeing
is
that
the
building
has
a
different
look
altogether.
You
saw
that
we
in
the
upper
part
of
the
building.
We
have
that
orange
color.
That
is
a
brick
material
and
the
dark,
almost
black.
H
A
I
And
here's
where,
of
course,
we
start
to
capture
the
quality,
the
textile
quality,
almost
of
of
the
passerby
that
might
want
to
see
in
look
up
and
also
maybe
even
touch
the
building,
because
it
has
a
presence
that
is
totally
hiding
the
automobile
behind
us.
Even
though
the
boulevards
are
allowing
a
lot
of
traffic
still
the
right
of
ways
here
are
about
130
feet
or
so,
but
the
building
itself
at
this
level
is
illustrating
the
fact
that
we
are
utilizing
very
rich,
very
durable,
very
urban
materials.
I
If
you
look
at
the
building
on
top,
however,
the
building
is
setting
back
a
bit
in
such
a
way
that
these
three
levels
relate
to
the
water
line
that
the
city
has
with
existing
buildings.
That
are
one
two
and
three
stories
in
height
now
we
have
a
series
of
other
views
that
are
not
as
good
as
this
one
in
terms
of
the
articulation
of
the
rendering,
but
it's
allowing
you
to
understand
the
corner
as
we're
going
to
walk
you
around.
I
This
is
a
the
middle
of
the
building,
the
service
yard
and
the
entry
to
the
residential
tower
and
then
retail
on
both
sides.
As
you're
going
down
state
street,
what
can
we
do
with
the
sidewalk?
It's
not
that
deep.
As
I
said,
life
on
state
is
trying
to
widen
the
sidewalk
such
that
the
expedition
experience
is
enhanced,
and
yet
we
are
still
thinking
that
with
the
ability
of
introducing
a
lot
of
glass
here,
we
are
creating
a
little
more
that
to
that
feel
of
pedestrian
activity.
A
I
B
So,
let's
go
back
to
the
slides
that
show
the
master
plan
for
the
block,
which
I
believe
are
like
really
in
the
beginning
right
here.
So
I
see
in
your.
You
do
also
have
a
and
let
me
ask
you:
what
is
the
status
of
this
master
plan
in
terms
of
approvals
for
the
subdivisions
and
the
park
itself
and
having
it?
Is
it
going
to
be
a
dedicated
park,
a
public
park
and
the
status
of
the
streets?
B
H
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
Thank
you,
brenda
for
bringing
that
up
so
right
now.
The
status
of
this
master
plan
is,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
block,
there's
currently
a
city
road
that
bisects
the
block
coming
in
off
of
seven
south
and
it
dead
ends
into
the
existing
sears
building.
That's
yes,
your
street!
I'm.
H
Yep
so
we're
we
are
working
on
vacating
major
street
and
such
that
we
can
then
move
forward
with
the
park
and
with
some
of
our
other
roads,
since
that
hasn't
been
done.
Yet
we
are
moving
forward
with
the
first
phase
under
parcel
line
adjustment
and
then,
as
we
get
vac
as
we
vacate
major
street,
we'll
be
able
to
move
forward
with
the
rest
of
the
interior
street
grid
and
then
to
answer
your
question
about
the
park.
H
The
park
will
be
available
and
accessible
to
the
public.
However,
we
want
to
keep
it
privately
owned
and
that's
so
that,
as
eduardo
talked
about
and
and
matt
and
ryan
also
mentioned,
this-
we're
not
only
trying
to
activate
the
exteriors.
We're
also
trying
to
activate
the
interior,
and
part
of
that
is
having
outdoor
dining
in
restaurants
and
the
ability
to
serve
alcohol
in
those
restaurants
is
really
important
for
us
for
that
activation,
and
that's
why
we
want
to
keep
that
park
private
for
all
interns
and
purposes.
B
B
G
G
Additionally,
the
park
will
have
in
all
of
our
storm
tech
chambers,
which
is
underground
water
detention
for
all
business,
so
that
so
a
lot
of
that
underground
infrastructure
will
go
in
at
that
same
time
with
the
park
cannot
perfect
it
in
its
entirety
until
the
vacation
of
of
major
fleet.
But
we
really
hope
to
have
that
time
in
a
way
that.
G
G
And
there's
there's
at
this
point
in
the
master
plan.
We
don't
know
what
those
uses
are.
I
could
tell
you
high
level
what
we
I
mean
off.
The
parcel
one
seems
to
be
an
office
parcel.
A
lot
of
these
ideas
were
pre-coded
frankly,
and
so
in
the
the
one
thing
that
for
us,
the
jetty
accomplishes.
Is
it
kick-starts
the
project?
It
allows
all
the
initial
infrastructure
to
go
in
with
us
with
the
park
and,
lastly,
it
satisfies
the
opportunity
zone.
G
Timing,
investment
without
the
initial
pre-leasing
that
would
need
to
occur
for
an
office
development,
but
udot
is
again
the
the
primary.
The
primary
issue
here
is
the
the
late
the
amount
of
length
that
udot
was
requiring
in
queueing
between
eight
south
and
where
this
mid
block,
they
only
wanted
one
access
point
between
here
and
seven
and
they
wanted
it
to
be
as
close
to
mid-block
as
possible.
A
Matt
but
the
size
of
the
parcels
would
is
longer
than
if
you
were
to
build.
You
know
lot
line
a
lot
line.
The
length
of
that
building
would
also
exceed
the
requirements
in
in
this
zone
correct.
So
you
would
need
exceptions
for
building
length
for
the
other
development
parcels.
I
think
that's
the
question.
G
G
A
J
A
J
And
I
apologize
for
not
remembering
to
charge
that
thing,
but
this
is
off
my
normal
schedule
on
this
meeting.
Can
we
look
at
the
street
level
of
this
development
again
because
I
don't
really
feel
like
we
did
enough
to
get
an
idea
of
how
we're
engaging
look
at
that
eye
level
at
the
street
to
really
kind
of
ascertain
what
this
might
look
like
at
373
feet.
Long.
J
G
Hey
amy,
while
map
it
up.
I
was
gonna
mention
if
it
wasn't
clear
before
on
the
maker's
row,
which
is
what
we're
what
we're
trying
to
call
this,
which
is
on
the
other
end
of
the
building.
But
I'll
start
here.
We
reset
okay,
this
is
maker's
row,
and
so
these
storefronts
are
very
close
together
and
our
intention
with
signage
and
so
forth,
is
to
make
each
storefront
unique
and
really
break
up
that
experience
at
on
the
north
side
of
the
service
entrance
eduardo.
J
He
did
mention
that
I
mean
I
think
from
this
view.
It
does
still
feel
really
really
long.
It
feels
really
long,
and
I
don't
see
where
visually
enough,
if
you
were
a
pedestrian
walking
that
you
would
think.
Oh
I've
got
some
relief
from
this
building
it.
It
feels
really
big,
and
I
don't
know
that
I
don't
know
that
it-
that
I'm
keen
on
373
feet
at
this
point.
H
H
So
amy
to
to
talk
through
a
little
bit
about
what's
happening
from
the
pedestrian
level.
I
think
this
is
a
helpful
diagram
to
look
at
on.
The
left
is
the
north
and
to
the
top
of
the
page,
is
state
street
the
area
of
retail,
one
against
state
street,
as
ryan
indicated
and
matt
mentioned
it
got,
set
back
and
so
that'll
have
outdoor
dining
it'll
have
a
very
different
feel
to
it.
The
surface
alley
wireless.
J
H
H
It
does
yeah
the
service
alley.
If
you
go
back
matt
to
the
ground
floor,
I
can
walk
you
all
through
that.
A
little
bit
more,
the
service
alley
does
go
all
the
way
through
cars
will
pull
in
from
the
bottom
of
the
page,
and
public
vehicles
will
pull
into
the
garage.
However,
we
will
have
gates
there
to
where
all
of
our
service
for
the
building,
whether
that's
inventory
for
the
retail
tenants,
whether
it's
trash
pickup
utility
vehicles,
all
of
that
is
being
done
off
street.
H
We
wanted
to
maintain
that
vibrant
living
edge
of
the
building,
so
all
of
the
service
will
take
place
in
this
service
alley
and
then
those
trucks
have
a
one-way
access
on
to
state
street.
This
was
what
we
were
able
to
convince
udot
to
allow
they
wouldn't
allow
it
to
be
a
public
street
because,
as
as
ryan
indicated,
they
have
certain
queuing
requirements
at
the
light
at
eighth
south.
So
we
weren't
able
to
get
a
public
road
through
here,
but
we
were
able
to
get
a
service.
C
H
J
So
I'm
wondering
what
that
looks
like
on
the
east
side
as
a
pedestrian,
because
there
was
like
that
very
you
know
that
concrete
wall
that
seemed
to
jut
out
to
your
property
line,
what
what's
happening
there,
because
I
feel
like
in
some
regards
these
two
almost
two
buildings
can
be
broken
up
better,
and
this
is
the
key
point
I
think
is
right.
Here
is
the
service
road
yeah.
H
H
H
That
is,
that's
what's
jutting
out
and
that's
kind
of
what's
defining
one
a
building
entryway,
but
that's
kind
of
breaking
up
the
ground
floor
experience,
so
you'll
walk
across
a
grocer
on
the
left.
They'll
then
be
this
service
alley
and
then
you'll
see
this
white
concrete
element
and
then
you'll
have
what
we
call
a
maker's
row.
It's
the
small
commercial
space.
H
H
J
I
really
feel
like
I
want
to
see
more
how
that
that
section
right
there
is
treated
for
the
pedestrian
in
the
future.
When
you
come
back,
because
I
don't
think
you
really
have
what
I'm
totally
looking
for,
but
I'm
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
feeling
of
373
feet,
but
I
do
believe,
if
we're
treating
this
point
better
in
terms
of
the
visual
aspect
of
that
gate.
J
So
it
doesn't.
You
know
when
you
walk
downtown
and
there's
those
those
service,
alleys
that
have
the
big.
You
know
garage
door
that
has
to
go
open
and
it
feels
it
doesn't
feel
inviting
it
doesn't
feel
like
it.
It
fits
there
so
how
you
treat
that?
How
that
stairwell
access
wall
is
coming
out
visually
to
being
treated
as
a
pedestrian?
I
think
I'm
going
to
really
want
to
see
more
there
to
come
to
terms
with
that.
373
feet
is.
C
A
This
picture
is,
is
a
perfect
example
of
this
feels
almost
like
a
hidden
entrance.
I
want
this
to
be
a
statement
entrance
for
the
space
so
that
there
are
all
these
entrances
for
the
small
haberdasheries
and
such,
but
then
there's
also
this
big
statement
for
their
their
residential
and
I'm
and
I'm
speaking
from
experience
living
in
a
downtown
high
rise.
Make
that
you
know
I
want
the
sign
bigger
I
want.
I
want
something
to
say
this
is
a
home,
and
this
is
a
home
for
many.
A
H
G
One
thing
just
just
just
to
emphasize
this
again
is
that
we
were
concerned
with
the
length
as
well
and
udot
was,
is
really
what
dictated
the
length
of
this
building.
I
like
the
idea
of
sarah
making
this
more
prominent
as
well.
This
is
actually
not
our
main
entrance.
This
is
that
the
entrance
is
all
parkside,
but
nonetheless,
I,
like
your
your
comment,
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
that.
D
Yeah,
the
the
thing
I
would
like
to
add
is
you
know,
I
think
what
would
be
helpful
is
maybe
seeing
an
elevation
or
a
rendered
view,
like
maybe
the
one
on
the
screen,
that
kind
of
talks
about
some
design
guidelines
for
the
retail
space,
it's
difficult
to
design
a
space
without
having
a
tenant.
So
what
are
we
allowed
to
change
when
you
actually
have
someone
move
in?
D
G
D
Yeah,
I
think
just
clarifying
that
a
little
bit
and
just
saying
how
far
they're
allowed
to
go,
because
I
think
that
would
help
us
better
understand
that
or
even
taking
some
liberties
with
it
and
designing
something
so
that
it
does
feel
more
and
you
know
independent.
I
think
my
other
comment
would
be
you
know.
I
I
appreciate
when
there's
a
cohesive
design
thought
throughout
a
project,
but
I
think
on
a
project
this
size.
You
know,
I
don't
I
hate
seeing
like
five
different
facade
materials.
D
You
know
overlapping
and
changing
haphazardly,
but
I
do
feel
like
there's
a
bit
of
a
monotonous
facade
happening
on
some
part
of
this
building,
just
because
of
the
sheer
size
so
it'd
be
nice
to
see.
Maybe
some
way
of
addressing
you
know
you
talk
about
it.
The
architect
mentioned
how
approaching
from
different
angles,
you're
going
to
get
a
different
experience,
and-
and
I
like
the
way
that
sounds,
but
I'm
not
really
seeing
it
in
the
design.
D
I
feel
like
you
know-
maybe
there's
a
different
balcony
treatment
for
the
different
facades,
something
that
kind
of
integrates
it
a
little
bit
more.
They
feel
a
little
tacked
on
right
now
and
I
think
just
finding
an
overall
way
to
actually
create
that
experience.
If
you
want
it
to
feel
like
a
different
building
coming
from
a
different
direction,
then
it
should
feel
a
little
more
different.
I
feel-
and
I
don't
want
to
dictate
how
to
do
that.
I
just
to
me
visually.
D
H
D
I
am
I'm
you
know,
I'm
referring
to
kind
of
this,
rendering,
in
particular,
where
we
were
talking
about
this
approach,
feeling
different
than
the
approach
coming.
The
other
direction-
and
I
you
know
yes,
there's
a
little
bit
more
glass,
but
the
balconies
on
this
treatment
feel
very
similar
to
the
other
side.
Really,
the
only
change
that
visually,
at
least
in
the
rendering
it
feels
is
the
color
of
the
brick,
and
I
feel
like
it's
fairly
repetitive
and
if
there's
just
a
way
to
kind
of
break
up
the
mass
a
little
bit
more
again.
D
H
I
No,
no,
your
comment
referenced
both,
but
the
idea
that
you
know
we
we
on
the
upper
levels
we're
using
metal
and
brick
the
balconies.
Yes,
indeed,
it's
a
good
comment.
You,
my
question
was
more
now
about
what
do
you
think
about
the
base
of
the
building
the
first
three
levels
in
terms
of
how
we
are
breaking
the
mass
to
avoid
the
the
idea
that
this
is
300
or
370
feet,
long.
D
Yeah,
I
I
I
personally,
I
do
feel
there's
a
little
bit
of
repetitiveness
there
as
well,
where
you
have
those
kind
of
rectangular
portal
areas
in
the
middle
of
the
building.
I
think
making
that
corner
a
little
more
iconic
and
making
that
feel
almost
like
a
piece
that
draws
you
in
to
me.
That
would
really
anchor
that
corner,
because
right
now
I
feel
like
it
is
kind
of
mirrored
almost
around
the
corner
and
it
when
you're
trying
to
orient
somebody
and
explain
where
you
are
like,
say
you're
getting
picked
up.
D
I
you
know-
and
I
get
that
there's
some
economy
to
repetitive
features
and
detailing,
but
I
think
creating
those
focal
points
are
really
important,
especially
on
a
corner
like
that.
I
think
you're
close,
you
know,
but
I
I
find,
maybe
maybe
even
with
the
screen
wall
or
some
way
to
kind
of
create
more
of
an
anchor
at
that
corner
and
tie
that
even
back
to
the
upper
levels.
Something
with
that.
You
know
it's
hard
to
explain,
but
I
think
just
creating
that
cohesiveness
that
iconic
space
that
you're
talking
about.
H
A
B
A
B
I
think
addition
to
this
building
there
are
mezzanines
and
so
forth
in
part
of
the
larger
retail
spaces,
but
having
that
height
really
gives
a
sense
of
the
of
really,
I
think,
anchoring
that
pedestrian
experience,
and
also
you
know
we
often
get
you
know
something.
That's
sort
of
squashed
at
that
level,
where
it's
barely
any
larger
than
the
then
the
height
of
the
floor
levels
at
the
residential
level.
B
So
to
the
extent
that
that
is
enabled
by
having
an
extra
bit
of
height
on
this
building,
I
think
it's
very
very
well
worth
it,
and-
and
I
I
think
it's
it's
actually
kind
of
miraculous
that
this
is
occurring
here.
So
I
I
do
think
that
the
height
issue
is
less
of
an
issue
perhaps
than
the
length
of
the
building
issue.
D
I
I
would,
I
would
echo
brenda
on
that-
I
think
you
know
height
always
becomes
a
problem
where
you
have
to
squash
the
bottom
floor,
to
accommodate
the
height
of
the
units
that
pay
for
the
building.
So
I
I
would
agree.
I
think
this
is
a
great
you
know,
kind
of
creating
a
public
space
that
has
a
little
bit
more
of
a
robust
nature
to
it
and
then
having
the
residential
on
top.
I
think
this
is
where
the
city
is
headed.
C
I
mean
this
is
the
height,
that's
not
a.
This
is
not.
In
a
I
mean
this
is
allowed
through
the
design
review
process.
Correct,
there's
nothing
special
being
added
like
this
is
a
lot
by
right.
So
presumably
other
buildings
in
this
area
are
going
to
come
through
here
with
a
designer
due
process
as
well.
That'll
be
similar
height
right
to
essentially
further
to
the
north
as
it
comes
to
town.
Is
that
correct
with
staff
yeah?
That's.
E
J
J
One
thing
I
would
just
throw
out
to
you
guys,
kimball
and
kamen-
is
that
when
you
do
these
other
buildings,
because
you're
going
to
be
dictating,
the
majority
of
this
block
is
make
them
look
different.
I
think
your
buildings
look
really
different,
so
they're,
not
all
just
the
same
stuff
over
and
over.
J
J
You
should
absolutely
be
looking
at
the
potential
and
how
they
want
to
make
these
connections
and
and
and
piece
this
block
back
together,
because
that
gives
us
a
better
picture
of
what
we're
going
to
be
focusing
on
now
is
those
mid-block
connections
and
how
we're
going
to
circulate,
and
if
they
don't
have
answers
to
that,
then
I
think
it's
really
hard
for
us
to
evaluate
how
this
building
would
fit
in
it.
So
yeah,
I
think,
that's
an
important
part.
G
Hey
amy,
I
I
just
to
give
you
a
quick
answer
on
some
of
this.
It
would
be
a
lot
simpler
for
us
if
we
just
owned
a
two
acre
piece
like
702
or
the
sixth
in
maine,
where
we're
just
coming
in
for
that
it
a
beer-
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
the
oz
group
in
trying
to
figure
out
long
term
how
we're
going
to
activate
this
block
and
again
to
try
to
activate
four
sides
of
three
buildings
is
a
lot
of
retail
and
how
to
bring
that
into
that
park.
G
And
so
for
us.
This
is
a
we're
not
going
to
be
constrained
by
udot
constraints
on
the
other,
on
the
other
corners
number
one
and
number
two
to
get.
You
know
350
or
so
residents
here,
600
plus
people
is
a
really
good
way
to
kick
off
that
retail
on
a
nighttime
perspective
and
then
obviously
the
hotel
option
or
the
office
option
is
great
synergy
for
the
daytime
uses,
and
so
we
have
a
big
vision
for
the
block.
J
Should
you
be
looking
at
what
those
development
potentials
for
those
other
areas
are
doesn't
mean
uses
to
me
to
me,
it
means
how
this
block
will
look
configured
and
how
it
will
function
in
in
those
in
mid-block,
breakups
and
whatnot,
and
you
successfully
presented
that
so
for
staff.
I
think
that
is
super
important
for
us
or
for
me
I'll
just
speak
for
me.
J
It's
super
important
for
me
to
get
a
better
idea
of
how
this
project
that's
before
us
right
now
will
fit,
because
I'm
going
to
look
in
the
future
too
of
like
how
would
we
break
this
up,
so
you
did
a
great
job
for
nan.
I
think
this
is
the
type
of
thing
when
we're
looking
at
the
size
of
developments
that
I
need
to
better
understand
the
bigger
picture
and
the
long
term
of
how
potential
redevelopments
will
affect
each
other.
B
I
I
would
like
to
come
back
to
the
issue
of
the
length
of
the
building
and
I'm
I'm
fairly
convinced
on
the
on
the
state
street
side.
But
I
am,
I
am
pretty
concerned
about
the
one
of
the
things
that
sarah
was
talking
about,
which
is
the
importance
of
delineating
the
entrance
to
the
residential
building
and
certainly
on
the
park
side
on
the
west
facade,
which
we
really
haven't
talked
about.
B
You
still
have
that
same
length
there,
but
with
far
less
potential
there
to
have
you
know
the
haberdashery
breaking
up
the
breaking
up,
they're,
breaking
up
the
facade
and
adding
interest.
So
I'm
looking
now
at
page
48
of
our
staff
report,
which
is
the
rear
and
rear
facade,
would
you
I
would
not
call
it
the
rear.
It's
actually
the
the
entrance
facade
for
the
for
the
project,
and
I
think
I
don't
know
whether
it's
just
the
rendering
that's
under
developed.
B
You
know
in
what
is
not
on
the
park
and
not
real
and
really
on
a
side
street,
but
I
do
think
that
there's
it
just
seems
like
this
is
a
really
underdeveloped
side,
compared
especially
to
the
kind
of
thoughtfulness
you've
done
on
the
state
street
side.
So
I'm
just
asking
that
we
consider
that
point
that
sarah
was
making
about
the
residential
entrance
and
how
that
really,
especially
how
it
plays
in
response
to
the
parks
and
everything
else
over
in
this
area.
I
mean
it
just
it.
This
is
in
this
particular
instance.
B
For
example,
you
have
that
large
screen
that
black
screen
for
the
parking
garage
going
across
the
whole
thing
right
up
to
the
edge
of
the
the
circulation
tower.
That
makes
it
seem
like
it's
all
one
thing,
even
though
it's
not
all
one
thing
at
all,
I
mean
there's
retail,
there's
a
lobby
there's
a
an
entrance
to
the
to
the
parking
garage
so
and
that
that
interest
of
the
parking
garage
is
the
one
that
retail
users
will
use.
A
So
brenda
I
actually
have
a
question
following
up
on
that.
I
have
that
same
issue
with
that
third
floor
screen.
On
the
other
side
as
well,
I
mean
it
feels
it
feels
like
it
goes
along
that
whole
way.
I
was
wondering
if
the
fact
that
it's
up
on
the
third
floor
will
that
matter
to
as
I'm
thinking
of
a
pedestrian
walking
by-
and
you
know,
my
interactions
with
buildings.
A
B
Well,
I
think
it's
sort
of
the
distance
you
get
away
from
it
actually
and
in
this
case
you'll
be
able
to
see
it
from
across
the
park
and
the
other
case
across
across
state
street.
So
yeah
you
you'll
see
it.
The
question
is:
does
it
bother
you
that
much?
I
think
it's
it's
contributing.
On
the
other
side,
it's
actually
broken
up
more
with
some
other
screening
elements.
B
On
top
of
it,
this
one
has
an
inconsistency
between
what
I'm
seeing
in
this
particular
drawing
and
the
one
I'm
seeing
in
our
staff
report,
even
though
they
both
have
the
red
car.
So
so
again
we
we
need
with
this.
Just
I'm
not
you
know
right
now.
I
don't
want
to
go
into
a
petite
critique
of
this.
I
just
want
to
say:
let's,
let's
figure,
this
out
a
little
bit
more
consistently
with
the
kind
of
care
that
you've
shown
on
the
other
side.
H
H
What
you
see
there
is
actually
for
new
residents
prospective
residents
when
they
walk
in
this
will
be
kind
of
the
lobby
where
they'll
meet
with
leasing
staff,
but
it's
actually
going
to
open
up
into
the
retail
space.
We
want
there
to
be
kind
of
a
blurring
of
the
lines
between
what
happens
in
that
lobby
and
the
activity
that's
happening
in
that
retail
space.
H
We're
anticipating
that
be
some
sort
of
food
service
retailer,
a
restaurant,
that's
kind
of
open
there,
and
so
that's
all
gonna
have
outdoor
dining
that
faces
to
the
west
that
faces
that
park.
So
it's
gonna
be
very
active
right
there
and
then
to
the
south
of
the
service
drive.
We've
got
the
residential
lobby,
and
this
is
what
ryan
was
alluding
to.
This
is
the
primary
lobby
for
residents
who
live
at
the
building.
H
This
is
where
they're
gonna,
they're
gonna
walk
in
and
out
of,
and
there's
a
lot
of
elements
there
and
then,
unfortunately,
we
think
that
this
is
part
of
the
cbd
of
salt
lake
city,
but
rocky
mountain
power
does
not
and
as
a
result
they're
making
us
put
transformers
on
the
building
facade,
it
took
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
and
I
don't
want
to
bore
everyone
with
the
details.
But
originally
this
was
on
state
street.
For
rocky
mountain
power.
H
We
worked
with
him
to
move
it
off
of
state
street,
so
we
do
have
a
large
transformer
space
there,
but
I
think
we'll
do
something
cool
with
some
art
element
to
bring
in
some
some
public
art
onto
that.
That
street
facade
and
then
the
other
thing
that
should
be
noted
is
above
the
office.
The
leasing
office
in
the
lobby
there'll
be
a
mezzanine
and
I'm
so
glad
brenda
that
you
acknowledge
the
two-story
volume
that
was
really
important
to
us.
H
We
really
wanted
to
activate
this
space
and
make
it
seem
grand
because
it
is
grand
and
so
we're
going
to
have
two-story
space
on
this
side
of
the
building
as
well,
and
that's
going
to
be
co-working
space.
So
there'll
be
people
officing
up
there
and
working
out
there
and
that'll
that'll
activate
the
second
floor
above
our
lobby.
But
when
we
come
next
time
in
front
of
you,
we'll
do
a
better
job
of
showing
you
images
of
exactly
what
that's
going
to
look
like.
D
Yeah,
the
only
thing
I'd
like
to
add
is
you
know.
Architecture
is
a
little
bit
about
wayfinding
and
I
think
what
brenda's
alluding
to
is
just
maybe
making
some
sort
of
an
anchor
point,
because,
just
if
you
think
of
it,
like
you're,
you
know
you've
seen
the
building
a
lot
and
you're
really
used
to
seeing
it
from
every
angle
but
think
try
to
think
from
a
fresh
set
of
eyes.
D
H
A
G
Yeah,
I
mean
honestly,
it
has
all
of
our
underground
infrastructure
in
it
and
we
do
plan
on
or
at
least
wanting
to
entertain,
maybe
doing
some
single
story
structures
on
it.
For
like
coffee
shops,
we
want
to
bring
in
food
trucks
and
and
engage
it,
and
so,
but
as
far
as
future
development
goes,
I
mean
honestly,
it's
an
amenity
to
all
three
of
our
corners.
G
H
Yeah
and
just
to
add
to
that
I
mean
the
green
space
in
the
middle
our
park.
This
is
this,
is
the
heart
of
our
block
and
like
yeah,
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
maintain
an
active
edge
for
sure,
but
for
us,
the
central
amenity
for
this
entire
block
is
bringing
in
green
space
into
the
inside
of
the
block.
This
is
where
they'll
be
a
hub
of
activity.
This
is
where
we
anticipate
people
dining
and
walking
their
dogs
and
throwing
a
frisbee
and
the
whole
name.
I'm.
A
H
I
think
that
that's
very
valid
and
you
kind
of
you
bring
up
a
good
point.
I
mean
ryan
and
I
we're
we're
not
merchant
builders
we're.
This
is
a
legacy
development
for
us,
and
so
we
had
honestly
until
you
just
brought
it
up.
We
have
we
have
no
intentions
of
selling
it
we're
holding
this
long
term
indefinitely,
and
so
for
us
it
was
just
obvious.
Like
oh
yeah,
this
is
going
to
be
a
park
and
there
will
be
nothing
else,
but
you're
right.
A
G
A
B
B
G
G
It
takes
up
about
the
entire
park,
but
we
we
plan
on
having
about
50
percent
of
the
park,
be
hardscaped
and
50
be
landscaped,
so
that
it's
very
usable
I
think
that
between
raised
planners
and
and
how
we
can
space
the
tanks
to
get
the
root
systems
to
work
for
where
we
want
the
trees
we'll
have
that
ability
to
make
it
beautiful.
It's
not
meant
to
just
be
a
tank
with
with
some
slime
on
top
yeah.
B
Anything
that
will
get
us
to
the
point
where
we
can
really
see
this
happening.
It
also,
I
think,
helps
with
public
perceptions
of
this
project
as
well.
You
know
if
people
see
that
whatever
we
do
in
the
planning
commission
approvals
of
any
kind
of
like
disorder,
one
of
the
things
that
we're
getting
out
of
this
is
a
public
is
an
amenity.
The
public
and
the
public
can
also
use
which
is
really
good.
A
C
A
E
All
right,
we
will
go
through
this
relatively
quick,
so
this
is
a
text
amendment
that
we're
proposing
primarily
due
to
changes
in
workloads
and
demand
and
our
ability
as
a
city
to
respond
to
development
needs
and
growth
needs
that
we're
experiencing,
and
you
guys
are
well
aware
of
all
those.
So
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
that
too
much.
This
project
is
still
in
the
early
engagement
phase
until
october
11th.
E
So
this
was
we
moved
this
up.
It
was
initially
on
the
14th
agenda,
but
we
decided
we'd
move
this
up
since
it's
a
work
session
and
to
free
up
some
time
and
to
give
you
guys
an
introduction
to
this
project,
it's
fairly
technical
in
nature,
and
it
involves
a
lot
of
section
of
code,
so
we'll
just
dive
into
that
real.
Well.
If
I
can
get
my
there,
we
go
so
you
guys
know
what
special
exceptions
are:
they're,
basically
small
little
changes
to
an
incidental
use
or
a
dimensional
requirement.
E
E
You
can
see
district
1
and
district
7
are
the
districts
that
have
the
less
the
the
smallest
number,
but
one
of
the
things
that's
important
about
this
is
that
it
gives
you
an
idea
of
where,
in
the
city,
these
things
are
being
applied
for
more
than
the
majority
of
them
are
in
districts.
Three
and
district
five
part
of
that
is
because
of
the
unique
unique
nature
of
development
patterns
in
those
cities.
In
those
neighborhoods
and
being
the
oldest
some
of
the
oldest
neighborhoods
around
we
spend
about
20
hours
per
application.
E
So
why
change
it?
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
already,
but
our
staff
resources
can
be
reded
redirected
to
address
growth
related
needs,
the
geography.
It
also
helps
simplify
the
code
a
lot
of
times
when
people
call
us
we
have
to
give
them
four
or
five
different
scenarios
and
answers
of
what
they
can
and
can't
do,
and
so,
as
we
move
forward
with
changing
our
approach
to
zoning
city-wide,
the
special
exceptions
make
that
really
difficult.
E
Through
the
special
exception
process,
you
can
change
any
kind
of
bulk
quantification.
The
landmarks
commission
can
change
any
bulk
modification
right
now.
It
requires
multiple
applications
to
be
able
to
do
that,
and
so
this
change
would
maintain
that
authority,
but
have
it
be
done
through
the
existing
processes
in
the
historic
district
overlay,
great
changes
in
retaining
walls?
Basically,
right
now
you
can
get
a
special
exception
to
build
any
height
retaining
wall.
There's
no
limits,
there's
no
design
standards.
E
E
E
That's
not
really
reflective
of
how
particularly
rare
yards
are
being
used
now
and
accessory
buildings
are
being
used,
and
so
these
would
just
become
by
right.
You
can
do
these
things.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense
in
our
mind
that
you
could
do
these
outdoors
without
any
kind
of
special
approval
or
under
a
covered
patio
or
in
a
do
an
addition
onto
the
home.
That,
essentially,
is
a
shed
and
do
it
by
right,
and
so
that
would
be
a
change
inland
additions.
E
This
is
probably
one
of
the
more
significant
changes
that
we're
proposing
and
we're
proposing
to
eliminate
those
in
side
yards,
and
you
can
see
in
the
picture.
That's
on
the
right
hand
of
the
screen,
an
inline
edition
that
was
approved
several
years,
probably
10
plus
years
ago,
now
didn't
meet
setbacks,
and
but
the
code
at
the
time
allowed
you
to
go
up
at
your
existing
setback
line.
It
creates
new
impacts
to
neighbors
that
they
weren't,
anticipating
or
expecting.
E
This
proposal
would
eliminate
it
in
the
side
yard,
but
allow
it
in
the
rear
yard
and
the
front
yard,
primarily
because
those
set
those
set
yards
are
generally
larger
and
there's
more
space,
and
so
the
diagram
on
the
left
is
a
building
footprint
from
up
on
the
east
bench.
Where
you
can
see
that
setback
requirement,
rear
yard
setback
requirement
is
35
feet
at
the
the
closest
it's
20
feet,
and
so
it
would
allow
that
cutout
area
to
be
filled
in,
but
not
extend
it
further
than
the
for
this
point
of
the
building
non-complying
buildings.
E
Front
yard
parking
is
one
of
those
that
we
are
frankly
within
the
planning
division.
Even
mixed
on.
This
is
a
special
exception
that
when
your
backyard
isn't
accessible
or
you
don't
have
a
side
yard
to
provide
a
parking
spot
that
allows
one
parking
stall
like
in
this
picture,
to
be
put
in
your
front
yard.
Our
proposal
right
now
is
to
eliminate
this.
E
This
is
one
that
we
definitely
want
some
feedback
from
the
planning
commission
on
as
to
whether
or
not
it's
significant
enough
or
minimal
enough
that
we
should
allow
it
to
continue
or
not
allow
it
ground
mounted
utility
boxes.
This
is
another
significant
proposal
that
we're
considering
is
that
when
these
are
necessary
for
or
when
these
are
proposed
for
private
developments,
that
they're
not
be
allowed
in
the
right
of
way.
E
Do
you
think
these
should
be
accommodated
as
part
of
the
development
on
their
private
property
and
not
be
utilized
in
the
right
of
way
they
prevent
us
from
making
changes
to
our
rights
of
way
over
time?
For
example,
you
can
see
these
large
utility
boxes
that
were
necessary
for
undergrounding
power,
but
also
for
transformers
for
the
development.
That's
that's
behind
the
camera.
E
We
will
never
be
able
to
alter
this
portion
of
the
right-of-way
for
any
reason,
because
we
have
some
private
infrastructure
in
there,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
things
are
accommodated
on
private
property.
There
are
potential
issues
with,
for
example,
if
somebody
wants
to
change
the
use
of
an
existing
building,
say
it's
a
historic
building
and
they
want
to
convert
it
to
some
other
use.
E
That
requires
a
higher
energy
load
and
they
need
to
add
transformers
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out
the
best
way
to
accommodate
that
type
of
use
where
it's
not
possible
to
put
it
on
the
building
and
we're
also
working
with
rocky
mountain
power
on
how
these
utility
boxes
relate
to
when
we
underground
power,
which
is
something
that
the
city
has
several
goals
upon
doing.
But
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
it
means
we're
going
to
have
some
boxes
somewhere.
So
we
got
to
figure
that
part
out
too.
E
Just
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
community
input
info
has
been
sent
to
every
single
community
council
and
recognized
organization.
We
sent
a
request
to
aia
utah
for
their
to
spread
the
word
amongst
the
architecture.
Community.
Architects
are
one
of
the
more
frequently
frequent
applicants
for
special
exceptions,
representing
property
owners.
E
E
So
we
don't
do
in
person
open
houses
anymore,
and
we
we're
starting
to
get
some
data
on
what
what
that
means.
As
far
as
how
many
people
are
engaged
normally
for
an
open
house,
we'd
get
less
than
five
people
to
show
up
for
an
item
like
this
and
the
great
thing
about
website
analytics
is.
We
can
see
how
many
people
have
accessed
it
and
downloaded
the
information,
and
you
can
see
that
for
something
as
exciting.
As
special
exception
changes,
we've
had
135
people
access
the
online
open
house
page
or
download
it.
E
So
just
a
couple
of
questions.
I
don't
know
that
we
expect
answers
here,
but
if
there
are
some
follow-up
questions
from
the
planning
com
from
the
commission,
we
went
over
these
through
the
presentation.
That
was
super
short
and
I
probably
talked
too
fast.
But
if
anybody
has
any
questions
on
these
or
wants
to
add
any
input,
we're
all
ears.
B
C
E
We're
actually
the
city
council
separately
asked
us
to
look
at
fence
site,
so
we
are
making
changes
to
that.
That's
even
though
it
is
a
special
exception.
It's
a
separate
thing
because
of
how
it
was
started,
and
so
that
will
be
coming
to
you
guys,
but
we
we
want
to.
We
are
proposing
to
eliminate
the
ability
to
to
seek
additional
fence
height,
particularly
in
front
yards,
where
those
are
more.
Those
are
the
most
frequently
denied
special
exceptions.
J
E
Yeah,
so
a
driveway
connects
to
a
legally
located
off
street
parking
spot
by
definition.
So
that's
a
garage,
it's
a
space
on
the
side
of
the
house
or
something
in
the
rear
yard.
A
parking
pad
a
detached
garage,
that's
accessed
from
an
alley
or
a
driveway.
This
is
the
difference.
Is
this
would
simply
be
a
concrete
pad
that
sits
in
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
front
of
the
house,
because
there's
no
way
to
get
to
the
rear
yard
or
there's
no
way
to
add
a
a
parking
stall
on
the
side
of
the
house.
E
I
can
go
back
there,
it
actually
is
so
in
this
picture.
This
is
one
that
went
through
the
process
that
there's
only,
I
think,
there's
only
three
feet
on
their
property
between
the
property
line
and
the
house,
and
there's
only
six
feet
between
those
two
homes
and
so
there's
not
enough
space
to
fit
a
car,
and
so
this
is
an
example
of
what
would
be
front
yard
parking.
J
If,
if
that
particular
house
had
enough
space
for
a
side
for
like
a
driveway,
but
they
choose
not
to
have
a
full
driveway
and
they
just
want
a
parking
pad
right
there,
you
would
not
consider
that
front
yard
parking,
because
it's
off
to
the
side
of
the
house,
but
they
don't
want
to.
They,
don't
want
to
make
it
a
through
driveway.
J
That's,
okay,
all
right!
That's
helpful!
I
I
yeah
whenever
I
think
of
front
yard
parking,
I
think,
of
people
parking
on
their
lawns
and
I
always
say
I
I
there's
a
few
things
I
don't
allow
in
my
neighborhood,
you
don't
park
on
your
lawns,
you
don't
abandon
shopping
carts
and
you
don't
put
your
couches
out
on
the
parking
strip
for
free.
E
We
don't
want
to
get
down
to
the
point
where
we
have
to
enforce
them.
Something
like
that,
and
so
that's
where
this
doesn't
make
much
difference,
whether
it
goes
down
to
the
side
or
not.
If
people
are
going
to
be
parking
in
that
same
general
location,
that's
just
one
of
the
things
that
we've
debated
about
in
our
office.
A
A
B
I
I
kind
of
have
a
problem
with
that.
I'm
not
worried
about
the
avenues
too
much,
but
I
am
worried
about
the
west
side,
where
there
are
some
houses
that
are
fairly
close
together,
where
there
that
where
this
might
be
a
real
big
issue
for
a
lot
of
people
who
live
on
streets
that
are
especially
parts
of
the
west
side,
where
they're
very
busy
and
they
don't
want
to
park
their
car
in
the
street.
So
you
know
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
this
is
directed
at.
J
Not
even
know
that
they're
supposed
to
file
for
it
because
they're,
like
it's
my
yard,
I'm
just
gonna,
do
this.
Does
it
have
to
be
adjacent
to
a
curb
cut
to
like
this
driveway
entrance?
Where
there's
not
a
driveway,
I
mean,
do
you
have
any
numbers
to
give
us
an
idea
of
where
these
things
are
happening,
because
I
can
only
think
of
them
happening
in
the
avenues,
but
I
that
doesn't
mean
it
doesn't
happen
elsewhere.
E
We
have
the
numbers
of
every
type
of
special
exception.
That's
been
applied
for
for
the
last.
I
think
four
years
we
didn't
break
that
down
by,
we
might
have
broken
it
down
by
council.
District.
I'd
have
to
look
at
that
that
that
table,
but
but
yeah.
We
know
that
this
one
isn't
that
sometimes
does
get
denied.
J
E
Yeah,
I
would
get
one
of
the
situations
where
this
happens.
A
lot
is
when
we've
had
former
alleys
which,
in
the
avenues,
we've
had
all
kinds
of
private
alleyways
and
public,
alleyways
and
weird
streets
that
go
through
the
blocks
that
are
vacated
or
closed
to
those
property
owners
and
they
never
established
a
right.
E
B
B
B
E
E
So
we
one
of
the
things
that
we've
run
into
which
you've
seen
in
the
last
few
or
a
couple
of
recent
applications
is
one
of
the
special
exceptions
is
the
extra
height
in
commercial
districts
on
sloping,
lots
and
frankly,
we've
only
had
one
project
in
the
previous
four
years
until
recently
that
even
worried
about
this
and
was
kind
of
put
in
a
situation
where
they
had
to
have
to
deal
with
it.
It
does
tend
to
happen
more
in
our
commercial
districts
that
have
very
low
maximum
building
heights.
B
B
Right,
yeah,
so
why?
What
is
it?
Is
it
similar
to
what
you
would
do
with
a
single-family
house
in
terms
of
extra
height
I
mean?
Is
it?
Is
it
a
problem
of
how
we
measure
height?
Is
it
average
height
versus
height
from
at
any
given
point
along
the
street,
or
what
what
I
mean?
I
know
that
how
we
measure
height
is
part
of
the
equation
here,.
E
E
E
It
becomes
a
a
more
obtuse
type
of
type
of
box,
and
so
there's
part
of
that,
and-
and
we
can
our-
I
think
my
my
preference
is
to
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
it
easier
to
deal
with
that,
so
that
it's
it's
not
creating
an
increase
in
like
habitable
space,
which
I
think
is
the
intent
of
limiting
height.
But
it
allows
for
sloping
properties,
and
I
think
people
think
salt
lake
is
generally
flat
once
you
get
off
the
benches.
But
it's
really
not.
We
have
all
kinds
of.
A
C
E
J
C
I
it
it
depends
on
the
length
of
the
lot
I
mean
with
all
I
mean
I
in
my
opinion,
I
mean
it.
The
one
I'm
thinking
about
mainly
is
the
the
sloping
changes
that
we
kind
of
permitted
that
are
on
what
can
I
think
of
that
street
wilmington
and
sugar
house?
I
mean
because
that
one
they
use.
That's
that
height
sloping
height,
to
weigh
to
their
advantage.
I
mean
to
build
a
structure
that
was
very
advanced
one
thing:
if
you've
got
a
lot,
that's
60
or
100
feet
wide.
C
C
A
E
Okay
and
we
will
be
meeting
with
rocky
mountain
or,
like
I
said,
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
not
negatively
impacting
them.
They
actually
are
on
board
with
this
way
they
we've
already
started
talking
to
them,
and
they
generally
are
supportive
of
that
concept
and
then
accessory
structure,
building
height
changes
with
the
ability
to
go
up
to
75
percent
of
the
principal
structure.
B
E
Anything
right
now,
the
the
minimum
setback
for
like
an
accessory
building
is
just
one
foot
from
side
to
rear
property
line,
and
so
anything
above
that
17
foot,
permitted
height
so
say
you
had
a
say:
75
was
22
feet.
You'd
have
to
increase
that
setback
by
or
five
additional
feet
from
that.
So
it
wouldn't
be.
E
The
idea
is
to
help
reduce
the
the
primarily
the
shadowing
and
shading
into
other
people's
yards
and
and
some
fire
separation.
The
likelihood
of
a
taller
shed
having
uses
other
than
just
storage
go
up
considerably,
and
so
that's
kind
of
where,
where
we
get
where
why
we
would
want
to
have
some
additional
setback.
E
Well,
that
gets
back
to
that
picture.
I
showed
which
had
some
sort
of
habitable
space
in
the
in
the
second
level
above
that
shed.
But
if
you,
if
you
went
to
that
your
step
back,
your
setback
would
have
to
be
significant
and
you'd
have
to
have
a
sizable
enough
property
to
be
able
to
accommodate
that.
A
C
E
E
A
C
E
E
If
you
got
special
exception
approval,
you
could
extend
that
setback
up
to
your
rear
yard
requirement
along.
So
if
it,
if
it
was
an
additional
25
or
30
feet
of
length,
you
could
be
at
three
feet
under
this
proposal
that
that
addition
would
have
to
meet
the
current
setback,
so
it
would
have
to
be
stepped
in
a
little
bit
depending
on
what
zone
you're
in.
A
Are
you
thinking
that
if
you
have
a
two-story
house
with
a
five-foot
setback
and
if
they
did
a
one-story
addition,
they
could
still
request
to
maintain
that
five-foot
setback
for
the
one-story
addition?
But
if
they
wanted
to
go
to
a
two-story
addition,
they
would
have
to
meet
the
current
setback
requirements.
Is
that
what
you're
saying
john.
D
D
C
B
E
All
right,
if
we
get
other
once
we
once
the
early
engagement
period
ends,
we'll
have
a
better
idea
of
what,
if
any
community
input
we've
had
on
this
we've
had
very
little
so
far,
but
we'll
see
we'll
see
where
that
that
lands
and
if
there's
any
other
issues
we'll
have
those
prepared
for
whenever
we
go
back
to
the
planning
commission,
we
are
hoping
to
get
this
transmitted
to
the
city
council
by
the
end
of
this
calendar
year.
So
we're
looking
at
coming
back.
Probably
the
november
meeting.
J
E
And
no,
it's
not
allowed.
So,
basically,
what
we're
doing
with
each
special
exception
is
going
to
fall
into
one
of
three
categories.
It's
either
going
to
be
just
allowed
by
right
allowed
by
right
with
some
sort
of
additional
standard
that
they'd
have
to
comply
with,
like
what
we've
talked
about
with
like
front
yard
parking
and
things
like
that
or
it'll
be
prohibited,
and
so,
for
example,
one
of
them.
One
of
the
special
exceptions
which
we
didn't
talk
about
here
is
if
somebody
wanted
to
locate
their
mechanical
equipment
within
a
required
yard.
E
That's
something
that,
due
to
a
number
of
noise
complaints
and
things
like
that
that
we've
gotten
over
the
years,
we're
just
gonna
allow
that
to
encroach
further
than
the
setbacks
and
ordinance
already.
So
that
would
be
a
special
exception
that
would
just
go
away,
there's
a
bunch
of
special
exceptions,
probably
a
dozen
or
so
that
we
can't
find
anyone
who's
ever
applied
for
them.
And
so
there's
no
point
in
keeping
those
kinds
of
exceptions.