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From YouTube: Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - October 01, 2020
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Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - October 01, 2020
A
Okay,
now
the
official
opening
statement,
although
that
was
official
as
well-
welcome
to
the
historic
landmark
commission,
the
historic
landmark
commission
is
made
up
of
citizens
of
the
city
who
are
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
confirmed
by
the
city
council.
The
commission
primarily
does
three
things.
A
We
make
recommendations
to
the
city
council
on
policies
and
ordinances
related
to
preservation
in
salt
lake
city.
This
includes
the
designation
of
local
historic
districts
and
landmark
sites
as
a
certified.
Local
government
provide
input
to
the
utah
state,
historic
preservation
office
shippo
regarding
national
register
nominations
within
the
city.
We
are
also
charged
with
reviewing
and
making
decisions
on
land
use,
applications
for
properties
that
are
located
within
the
historic
preservation
overlay
district.
A
Reviews
reviewing
an
application.
What
standards
we
need,
making
a
decision
and
point
out
the
key
issues.
The
role
of
the
public
is
to
help
us
identify
the
issues
and
impacts
of
a
proposed
project
and
provide
input
on
how
they
think
the
project
complies
or
does
not
comply
with
the
standards
of
review,
for
which
the
historic
landmark
commission
has
authority
over
on
items
where
the
city
council
is
the
decision
maker
opinions
may
be
considered.
A
Our
goal
is
to
have
a
welcome,
coming
and
safe,
safe
and
environment,
and
the
rest
does
not
really
apply
because
it's
for
in
person,
just
in
general
members
of
the
public,
are
welcome
to
join
us
in
this.
In
this
discussion
and
there's
a
mechanism
for
doing
that,
sending
a
note
into
the
moderator
and
again
I'd
ask
all
panelists
to
please
have
the
microphone
off
when
they
are
not
speaking,
okay
agenda.
A
B
D
A
Commissioner
ashley
says
I
russia
hi
robert,
I
approve
david,
you
have
a
piece
paul
hi
and
commissioner
vela.
The
minutes
are
approved
unanimously
report
of
the
chair
and
vice
chair.
I
had
the
opportunity
yesterday
to
go:
buy
the
just
forgot,
the
name
of
them.
The
project,
the
multi-family
apartment
building
we
approved
on
fifth
south
across
from
trump
square,
looks
like
it's
completed
now,
and
I
think
that
process
worked
really
well
between
the
developers,
conscientiousness
in
the
actions
of
the
commission
and
giving
them
advice.
A
E
A
D
So
this
is
commissioner
torres.
I
would
like
to
make
a
plea
to
the
planning,
commission
and
staff
to
please
provide
us
with
credentials
identifying
us
as
members
of
the
landmarks
commission,
because
again
some
of
us
do
not
fit
the
demographics
of
some
of
the
areas
that
we
visit
and
in
the
having
safety
in
mind,
I
would
feel
a
lot
more
comfortable
that
is
visiting
some
sites
by
myself.
Currently
I'm
not
able
to
do
that
in
the
current
political
climate.
A
A
F
F
F
E
E
E
E
E
Yes,
okay,
so
this
shows
you
where
you
can
find
the
little
hand
it's
really
hard
to
find
it's
a
little
little
tiny
hand
thing
at
the
bottom
of
your
of
your
screen.
So
take
a
look
at
that
when
each
item
comes
up
for
the
public
hearing,
we'll
be
asking
who
would
like
to
provide
public
comments,
and
we
would
ask
that
you
raise
your
hand
that
way
we
can
figure
out
who
wishes
to
speak
and
then,
when
you're
done
speaking,
go
ahead
and
hit
that
hand
button
again
and
remove
your
hand
and
that's
all.
A
G
G
This
building
was
designed
by
utah
architect,
edward
rudolph
dreyer
for
harlan
and
marie
nelson.
Hence
the
name
harlan
worked
for
ibm
in
ogden
later
becoming
an
inaugural
member
of
the
convention
and
visitors
bureau.
After
he
moved
to
managing
local
hotels.
Marie
became
a
prominent
composer
later
in
life.
Music
was
a
central
feature
of
the
home
and
the
acoustics
were
designed
to
carry
sound
throughout
the
common
space.
Since
music
played
a
significant
role
for
the
nelson
family,.
G
This
building
has
been
nominated
by
the
property
owner
and
by
kirk
huffaker
kurt
huffaker,
president
of
preservationists,
and
this
has
been
nominated
under
criterion
c,
that
the
property
embodies
the
distinctive
characteristics
of
a
type
period
or
method
of
construction
or
represents
the
work
of
a
master.
And
there
are
two
specific
areas
why?
The
first
is
that
it's
a
work
of
modernism
by
a
local
architect,
edward
rudolph
dreyer,
and
it's
a
very
a
very
unique
variation
for
utah
of
the
international
style,
which
includes
semesian
design
elements.
G
E
A
D
Totally
not
having
to
do
with
the
building,
which
is
fantastic
but
a
female
composer
from
utah
as
the
resident
musician.
Thank
you,
amazing
history.
To
preserve,
and
can
the
city
do
something
about
the
street,
russia
and
I
went
and
visited
the
site
and
there's
no
way
to
get
onto
that
street
without
ruining
your
car.
G
A
E
D
E
A
E
A
A
E
A
A
I
The
proposed
building
will
have
four
residential
units
arranged
sides
by
side
by
side
in
a
three-story
building
with
a
roof
deck
parking
will
be
located
within
the
structure
on
the
ground
level.
The
building
will
be
configured
as
an
l-shape
on
the
lot
and
the
front
yard
setback
will
match
the
commodore
apartments
to
the
west,
as
required
by
the
development
agreement
associated
with
a
2016
rezone
that
changed
the
zoning
designation
of
this
property
to
rmu
35..
I
The
building
is
rectangular
and
has
a
flat
roof,
which
is
a
consistent
design
with
the
commodore
apartments.
Their
proposed
facade
uses
architectural
elements
found
in
the
district,
such
as
a
prominent
entrance
vertical
emphasis
and
rhythm
of
three
and
includes
durable
materials
commonly
found
in
the
districts
such
as
brick,
traditional
stucco
and
wood.
The
top
two
elevations
are
the
most
visible
facades
in
the
bottom.
Two
will
not
be
visible
from
the
street.
I
This
property
is
currently
vacant
and
is
surrounded
by
contributing
buildings.
The
three
photos
on
the
top
show
properties
on
the
same
block
face
and
the
three
photos
on
the
bottom
show
the
properties
across
the
street.
These
historic
stretch
structures
reflect
different
periods
and
styles
that
give
the
south
temple
district
its
unique
character.
The
common
elements
of
these
diverse
structures
and
others
along
south
temple
were
taking
into
consideration
when
reviewing
this
design.
I
I
I
I
So
the
image
on
the
left
shows
the
firm
facade
in
its
first
submittal,
and
the
image
to
the
right
shows
the
front
facade
after
those
revisions
and
to
which
the
applicant
is
requesting
approval.
Now,
as
you
can
see,
the
fenestration
pattern
is
more
reflective
now
of
the
rhythm
of
three
commonly
found
in
historic
structures.
The
front
entry
gain
prominence
highlighted
by
reinterpretation
of
a
porch
and
the
overall
solid
to
void
ratio
is
more
compatible
with
the
district.
E
So
so,
when
it
comes
to
the
proposed
changes
to
the
special
exceptions
when
it
comes
to
properties
within
the
landmarks
with
in
the
historic
districts
and
with
landmark
structures,
the
landmarks
commission
would
retain
that
authority
through
the
normal
processes
so
similar.
Just
reviewing
a
new
construction
you'd
retain
that
same
authority
that
you
have
right
now
as
a
special
exception.
C
A
I
One
thing
I
wanted
to
make
clear
is
that
the
the
owner
and
client,
who
is
the
our
client
who's
developing
this
property,
is
planning
on
occupying
one
of
the
units
and
he
wanted
to
target
families
in
his.
You
know
his
rentals,
specifically
families
who
might
work
at
the?
U
so
the
proximity
there
is
very
important
to
him.
I
I
Some
of
the
concerns
that
we
saw
get
brought
up
by
the
neighbors
included
the
proximity
of
the
single
family
homes
in
the
rear.
We
have
addressed
this,
the
city
already
kind
of
did
because
they
have
a
required
buffer
and
we'll
be
a
conce
or
we'll
be
doing
that
the
landscape
buffer
we've
also
seen
some
concerns
about
parking.
Each
home
will
be
having
their
own
garage
of
either
a
one
or
two
car
garage
which
is
higher
than
what's
required
for
the
zone.
I
B
C
A
A
A
This
property
would
influence
and
receive
the
change
of
zoning
and
a
revision
of
the
master
plan
to
accommodate
up
to,
I
believe,
14
units,
an
obvious
impossibility
for
this
parcel.
The
result
four
units,
rather
than
the
original
zoning
for
two
the
design
and
density,
could
have
included
outdoor
or
green
space
for
each
unit.
Now
an
additional
exception,
rooftop
entertainment
space
appears
nowhere
on
residential
east
south
temple,
the
best
preserved
section
of
our
street.
A
There
is
also
the
privacy
of
adjoining
properties
to
consider.
I
also
object
to
the
architectural
design
choice
as
it
does
not
reflect
not
in
the
least
to
the
architectural
history
of
the
street,
not
to
be
misunderstood.
I
am
not
asking
for
a
replica
of
a
past
structure
but
creating
a
building
with
more
sympathetic
details
to
stitch
together
the
streetscape
rather
than
an
indulgent
gash.
A
A
The
gas
approach
is
an
old
attempt
and
not
usually
successful
in
the
end
over
time,
thus
an
old
value
that
no
longer
serves
us
nor
our
east,
south
temple
and
that
again
was
j.
Scott
anderson,
I
think,
there's
another
one
here.
Let
me
see
this
is
from
bill.
Peterson
says
I
do
have
a
couple
of
comments
regarding
miss
mcdonald's
application
regarding
a
four
unit
apartment
building
on
south
temple,
while
this
appears
to
be
a
much
more
reasonable
proposal
than
the
previous
one.
A
A
The
addition
of
any
residential
units
without
parking
makes
this
worse,
as
each
one
adds
a
potential
two
cars
to
the
problem.
I
do
realize
that
housing
in
this
area
is
becoming
harder
and
harder
to
find,
while
four
units
seems
to
be
a
good
compromise.
Allowance
for
parking
would
be
important
if
parking
is
provided
on
property.
It
should
be
designed
very
carefully.
Wasatch
elementary
school
is
in
the
adjoining
block,
so
there
are
many
young
children
using
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
this
property.
A
Extra
care
must
be
exercised
when
designing
any
parking
on
the
property,
so
that
excellent
visibility
is
provided
to
ensure
safe
crossing
of
the
sidewalk
when
entering
and
exiting
the
parking
neighborhood
character.
You
folks
at
the
historic
landmark
commission
are
a
better
judge
than
me
of
what
retains
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
A
I
support
your
efforts
to
retain
that
character.
We
very
much
value
the
quiet,
early,
1900s,
residential
atmosphere
that
has
existed
in
this
area.
While
I
don't
find
their
proposed
elevation
unappealing.
It
is
a
more
modern
look
than
many
of
the
surrounding
homes
and
should
be
looked
at
for
conformance
zoning.
The
larger
area
zoning
is
sr1a,
predominantly
single-family
homes
again,
while
the
challenge
of
providing
adequate
housing
in
this
area
may
provide
justification
for
allowing
a
multi-family
development,
we
should
be
cautious
already,
there's
the
commodore
apartments
next
door
and
half
of
that
particular
block
is
already
zoned.
A
A
A
Property
but
very
narrow,
while
most
of
us
who
own
property
in
the
area
would
love
to
see
the
commodore
apartments
develop,
that
into
a
green
space
for
their
tenants
or
the
city
do
the
same.
That
is
not
likely
in
the
cards.
The
proposed
four
unit
development
may
represent
the
best
compromise
and
inadequate.
Addressing
of
the
above
issues
should
allow
a
workable
solution.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
working
in
key
in
keeping
this
area
a
desirable
community,
and
that
was
bill.
E
K
K
Scott
anderson
and
his
partner,
mr
houston,
submitted
a
proposal
to
develop
this
property
into
four
or
five
units,
and
I
did
not
accept
that
proposal
because
it
was
very
expensive.
So
it
looks
like
scott's
comments
are,
as
they
are
very
sad
that
they
are
reflecting
a
certain
amount
of
animosity,
because
their
prop
their
proposal
was
not
accepted.
K
Instead,
I
chose
the
access
architects.
Instead,
the
other
comments
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
the
neighbors
were
reflecting
that
maybe
their
yard
might
get
a
shadow
from
the
height
of
the
building.
So
this
study
was
done.
We
we
did
shadow
studies
when
we
did
last
time
a
4
14
unit
building,
and
it
showed
that
there
was
no
impact
to
the
yard
sunshine
on
the
north
side
whatsoever.
K
In
many
summers
I
go
to
europe
and
I
teach
at
european
universities
as
a
visiting
faculty
from
university
utah,
and
I
see
that
all
over
downtown,
even
in
cities
like
london
and
dresden,
germany
and
stuttgart,
they
have
roof
gardens.
So
I
got
that
idea
from
there
and
there's
no
reason
why
we
should
not
have
roof
gardens
in
salt
lake
city,
where
we
can
have
planters
and
flowers
and
perhaps
even
grape
vines.
So
the
idea
for
a
trellis
upstairs
is
not
an
open,
entertainment
space,
but
it's
actually
creating
a
green
space.
K
K
With
that,
I
would
rest
and
once
again
I
really
appreciate
all
of
you
taking
part
in
this.
This
is
truly
a
very
significant
and
important
event
in
our
lives,
because
we
have
a
child
who
is
physically
challenged
and
we
need
to
be
living
close
to
the
university
with
all
the
facilities
and
that
are
available
there.
So
I
conclude
my
comments
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
for
having
spoken.
A
F
So
hello,
again
cindy
cromer
here
I
have
spoken
many
times
on
the
proposed
rezoning
of
this
parcel.
We
are
far
better
off
with
the
proposed
number
of
units
than
we
were
with
14,
which
was
going
to
require
an
underground
parking
area
with
a
launching
ramp
to
send
traffic
hurtling
across
the
public
sidewalk.
F
So
this
is
less
bad.
I
don't
want
to
miss
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
what
the
city
council
did
with
its
development
agreement
here.
It's
completely
illogical
to
prohibit
the
purpose
statement
of
a
zone
in
rezoning,
a
property,
that's
what
the
city
council
did
it
prohibited
commercial
uses
in
the
rmu-35.
F
F
F
A
K
K
It
has
been
a
very
long
process
and
I
appreciate
cindy's
comments
and
I
I
really
appreciate
her
comments
today
for
welcoming
this
project
and
I'm
also
very
excited
for
reduction
in
scale
of
the
excavation
and
and
the
new
development
there,
then,
a
very
high
density
14
units,
so
I
appreciate
all
of
you
are
participating
in
this.
In
this
event,
this
will
be
a
very
a
welcome
addition
to
the
new
family
housing.
We
need
to
have
more
families,
especially
families
with
children
living
in
this
downtown
area.
K
A
H
I'm
thinking
about
you
know
what
the
original
proposal
looked
like
and
without
having
been
involved
in
that
initially.
I
think
that,
just
basically
that
I
think
that
less
density
is
is
probably
a
a
good
alternative.
I
mean
especially
considering
you
know
the
the
push
for
more
housing.
I
think
that
area.
H
D
I
think
if
we
were
able
to
approve
that
last
one
there's
absolutely
no
way.
We
can't
approve
this.
It's
a
much.
It
feels
like
a
much
more
responsible
use
of
the
space,
and
I
remember
this
one
was
the
first
one
of
my
first
things
that
I
heard
on
the
commission
and
I
remember
getting
bogged
down
forever
in
the
parking
and
the
incline
and
seeing
kids
over
it.
A
D
So
I
think
that
shows
flexibility
and
willingness
to
learn
which
is
really
great,
and
I
I've
done
a
lot
of
work
with
international
researchers
as
well,
and
I
I
know
for
a
fact
how
difficult
it
can
be
to
find
housing
in
the
area
and
how
we
are
losing
a
lot
of
talent
due
to
the
fact
that
sometimes
we're
not
able
to
house
them
close
enough
to
the
university,
not
that
that's
a
historic
love,
my
purview,
that's
just
my
human
meeting
side
but
yeah,
I'm
all
in
for
this
proposal.
Actually.
B
E
C
There
we
go
yeah
great,
I
I
own
actually
own
a
four
unit,
building
just
a
little
more
than
a
block
west
of
this
and
and
understand
the
neighborhood
very
well.
I
think
that
the
current
proposal
is
much
more
appropriate
in
terms
of
density
than
the
previous
proposal
and
hats
off
the
architects
really
did
a
nice
job.
With
this
one,
I
like
the
way
that
it
steps
down
from
the
commodore,
even
though
reading
an
exception
for
height,
it
does
appear
to
be
lower
than
the
commodore
apartments
next
to
it.
C
B
There
we
go
actually
david
said
some
of
the
things
that
I
was
going
to
say
and
that
I
I
look
at
this
building
as
a
transition
between
a
four-story
building
and
the
and
the
home
that
is
to
the
east
of
it.
I
think,
where
I
a
homeowner,
I
would
would
welcome
having
four
units
that
you
know
that
are
going
to
be
a
bit
more
permanent
than
apartments.
B
I
don't
I
don't
mind
the
rooftop
units.
I
actually
think
those
are
are
quite
nice.
I
think
it
it.
You
know
it
fits
into
the
neighborhood.
If
you
you
go
coasting
up
and
down
south
temple,
you
know
it's
a
transition
street.
You
can
see
what
the
history
of
the
street
is,
but
there's
there's
new
things
up
and
down
east
and
west
on
the
street.
H
C
Based
on
I'm
just
going
to
read,
what's
here
so
based
on
the
information
listed
in
the
staff
report,
the
information
presented
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing.
I
move
that
the
commission
approved
the
request
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
new
construction
of
the
multi-family
building
and
special
exception
for
additional
height
at
1117
east
south
temple
street,
as
presented
in
pln
hlc
2020
zero
zero.
Three,
eight
eight
in
pln
hlc
2020,
zero,
zero,
five,
zero
six
conditions.
A
A
F
F
A
G
G
Paul
garbett
represented
garbett
homes
is
submitted,
applications
for
new
construction.
There
are
24
single
family
attached
residential
units
in
a
configuration
of
five
separate
buildings.
They've
also
requested
three
associated
special
exception
requests
located
at
bishop
place,
which
is
approximately
432
north
300
west.
G
G
G
And
I'm
going
to
let
the
applicant
really
talk
about
the
project,
but
we
provided
you
with
an
analysis
of
the
request
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
new
construction,
as
well
as
an
analysis
of
the
special
exception
requests
and
at
this
time,
planning
staff
recommends
that
you
approve
for
them.
You
issue
this.
You
approve
the
issuance
of
the
certificate
of
appropriate
for
news
construction
as
well
as
the
special
exception
requests.
G
G
I
hope
you
had
an
opportunity
to
get
that
and
read
it
there
in
support
of
the
project,
and
I
also
received
one
phone
call
from
a
member
of
the
public
who,
I
believe
may
speak
tonight,
but
if
not,
this
person
was
not
particularly
supportive
of
the
material
choice,
choices
and
the
color
choice
of
the
the
project
design
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant.
Unless
you
have
particular
questions
for
me,
I'm
happy
to
try
to
entertain
those
for
you.
L
L
L
So
most
of
you,
I
think,
were
present
for
the
last
for
the
work
session.
You
know,
based
on
the
comments
that
we
received
from
that
there
were
some.
There
were
only
minor
changes,
so
I'll
I'll
go
over
the
package
just
to
catch
up
those
that
weren't
present
and
then
happy
to
answer
any
questions
afterwards.
L
Here's
here's
the
latest
site
plan
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
added
since
the
work
session
is,
is
a
community
garden
and
you'll,
see
that
here
and
we
worked
with
wasatch
community
gardens
to
get
some
of
their
input
on
how
to
best
set
that
up
and
here's
the
design
that
we
came.
What
came
up
with
kind
of
in
this
patch
of
open
area,
where
you
can
access
it
by
wheelchair
by
foot
to
come
in
and
and
work
these
three
different
plots.
L
I
think
it'll
be
a
great
amenity
that
can
really
bring
together
this
development
and
the
residents
that
live
there
from
our
original
concept
that
we
brought
to
you,
we've
changed
quite
drastically
the
layouts
of
it.
You
can
see
that
here
we
we
got
rid
of
a
unit,
we
added
more
guest
parking.
We
have
two
stalls
here,
two
stalls
here
as
well
as
some
front
parking
that
you
can
do
in
some
of
in
some
of
these
kind
of
shallower
depth
units.
L
We've
we've
tried
to
activate
this
this
private,
this
driveway,
so
that
it
becomes
not
just
a
street
for
cars,
but
more
of
a
you
know
a
walk
street
is
what
is
what
we're
calling
it?
Something
that's
doubles
as
not
just
an
entrance
to
get
to
your
home,
but
as
a
place
where
people
can
come
and
gather
and
congregate
where
kids
can
learn
to
ride
their
bikes
and
that
will
be
so
concrete
and
a
mixture
of
colored
concrete
to
kind
of
visually
break
that
up.
L
L
We
decided
to
go
away
from
that
completely.
Some
of
that
was
based
on
feedback
from
planning,
and
I
think
it
was
a
good
call.
You
know
I
feel
like
this
maintains
some
of
the
the
previous
architecture
cues,
that
we
were
really
trying
to
base
our
designs
off
of,
and
I
think
it
kind
of
fits
in
with
the
general
design
of
of
that
of
that
neighborhood
block
even
better
than
what
we
had
before
once
again.
L
L
L
Here
along
the
side,
one
of
the
issues
that
was
brought
up
with
planning
and
that
we
worked
to
resolve
with
them
was
this
was
a
much
smaller
window.
We
we
lengthened
it
to
try
to
better
balance
that
solid
to
void
ratio.
That
was
right
here
in
this
in
this
kind
of
area
of
brick,
that
you
know
that's
kind
of
your
front
entrance
to
the
development,
and
I
think
it
works
out
to
a
nice
balance.
L
As
you
can
see,
carrying
on
those
designs
throughout
the
rest
of
the
courtyard,
definitely
we
are
using
a
lot
of
colorful
exteriors
different
materials,
and
that's
an
attempt
to
to
you
know,
follow
the
feedback
that
we
got
from
you
and
from
planning
and
trying
to
remain
true
to
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
Keep
it
quirky,
keep
it
exciting,
keep
it
vibrant.
L
L
That
this
is
a
tight,
neighbor,
tight-knit
neighborhood
people,
I
believe,
will
be
very
respectful
of
being
cautious
as
they
drive
by
it.
You
have
those
calming
measures
of
the
different
street
patterns,
so
I
I
think
it's
ability
to
be
used
as
a
walk
street
is
is
definitely
very
viable,
an
aerial
view,
and
you
start
to
see
some
of
the
the
height
exceptions
that
we're
asking
for
on
some
of
the
buildings.
L
L
Here's
a
material
chart.
One
thing
that
I
would
like
to
make
a
note
of
is
that
in
in
the
planning
packets
that
you
received,
we
have
an
era
where
these
windows
were
called
out
as
white
we've
since
made
the
correction
and
they
will
we're
proposing
taupe.
These
are
the
same
standard
winsows
that
we
used
for
for
almond
street
sterling
and
hardison.
L
So
it's
something
that
we
believe
you
are
familiar
with.
The
different
color
schemes
for
each
building
individually
called
out
once
again
to
try
and
maintain
the
variety,
the
differentiation
between
each
unit.
So
it
doesn't
look
like
just
a
one
stark
block
of
color
for
an
entire
building,
really
trying
to
create
some
individuality
within
the
units.
L
Here
are
the
special
acceptance
exceptions
that
we're
requesting
this
10-foot
lot
setback
where
you're
neighboring
to
the
eastern
apartments.
The
requirement
is
15
feet.
So
you
know
looking
at
this.
We
we
acknowledged,
we
probably
could
have
moved
building
four
more
towards
300
west,
and
then
we
would
be
able
to
accommodate
that
setback.
But
I
think
the
development
and
open
space
is
better
served
by
having
this
open
space
here
within
within
the
community
rather
than
here
on
the
edges
and
it
being
a
parking
lot
here.
I
think
the
impact
to
our
neighbors
is
pretty
minimal.
L
Here
are
the
height
exceptions
that
we're
seeking
from
28
feet
to
36
feet,
and
they
are
these.
These
eight
buildings
that
we're
seeking
on
those
and
once
again,
we've
kind
of
kept
them
purposefully,
far
away
from
300
west,
so
that
the
visual
impact
isn't
isn't
jarring
and
that
it's
by
setting
it
back
so
far.
L
You
know
this.
The
the
overall
site
of
this
area
allows
technically
there
is
some
you
know.
Imagine
there
is
some
configuration
where
we
could
come
up
with
that
it
would
technically
allow
for
30
units.
We
are
now
down
to
24
units.
I
think
it
just
makes
more
sense.
I
think
it
fits
better
with
the
layout
of
the
site,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
appropriate
for
this-
for
this
zoning.
L
L
Another
issue
that
came
up
was,
you
know,
pulling
putting
pushing
the
units
a
little
bit
further
back
to
the
fences
versus
having
them
closer
to
that
bishop
play
street,
and
we
discuss
this
a
little
bit
and
I
think,
there's
value
in
maintaining
kind
of
a
backyard
space
for
residents.
It's
something
that
we're
doing.
L
L
It
appears
that
it's
being
used
in
the
in
these
similar
apartments
here
along
300
west.
I
imagine
these
are
the
type
of
vinyl
that
are
going
to
be
painted
after
the
fact
and
so
we're
we're
looking
to
use.
You
know
the
same
ones
we're
doing
here
at
almond
street
kept
on
sterling,
which
is
on
there
on
capitol
hill
and
on
on
artisan.
L
H
L
Yeah,
the
the
use
is
intended
for
residents
who
purchase
a
home
here
in
in
bishop
place,
when
just
consulting
with
them
they've
been
helpful
in
determining
the
layout.
Originally
I
thought
maybe
we
could
get
to
four.
You
know
six
six
different
garden
plots
here,
but
brought
to
my
attention
that
you
really
do
need
kind
of
space
to
work
around
them.
L
We
haven't
really
done
this
before
so
be
kind
of
our
test
pilot,
and
I
think
they
of
anyone
in
salt
lake
would
best
know
how
to
efficiently
and
effectively
divvy
these
up,
so
that
so
we
don't
have
have
any
problems.
I
don't
know
that
everyone's
going
to
want
one,
but
if
you
walk
down
you
know
my
neighborhood
we've
got
residents
or
in
in
almond
street,
on
the
development
that
I
live
and
we
have
residents
that
are
putting
planter
boxes
out
on
their
porches
and
in
their
backyards.
H
Okay,
so
just
to
just
to
clarify
so
it
sounds
like
there
may
potentially
be
a
sort
of
program.
Maybe
that's
involved,
I
mean-
and
I
I
guess
where
I'm
thinking
is
maybe
for
some
of
those
residents
that
aren't
entirely
sure
how
to
garden
or
what.
What
they're
doing
that
is,
that
sort
of
the
role
that
wasatch
community
gardens
is
going
to
play.
L
I
haven't
discussed
that
specifically
with
them,
but
we
have
a
pretty
close
relationship
with
wasatch
community
gardens
and
they
have
a
lot
of
different
public
programs
that
are
are
free
to
the
general
public,
and
I
imagine
that
would
be
pretty
simple
to
do.
Is
collaborate
with
them
directly
on,
say
someone
who's
really
interested
to
do.
Gardening
has
never
done
it.
C
A
G
So,
between
the
time
that
almond
street
and
I've
talked
to
paul
garbett
about
this
a
little
bit
today
when
almond
street
was
approved
when
west
capitol
street
was
approved
and
this
project-
I
don't
know
about
the
one
on
third
west
up
near
fifth
and
sixth
north,
but
the
city
adopted
guidelines,
the
multifamily
guidelines
as
you're,
aware
of
and
there's
specific
language
in
those
guidelines.
Now
regarding
vinyl
windows
and
the
use
of
vinyl
windows,
I
outlined
that
I
highlighted
that
sorry
in
your
staff
report
in
the
table
in
the
back.
G
It's
on
page
like
about
97,
something
like
that,
and
so
those
projects
that
came
before
we
didn't
have
those
guidelines.
We
didn't
have
that
guidance
and
those
standards
now
are
those
guidelines
now
are
because
they've
been
adopted
are
almost
standard.
So
that's
the
reason
that
I
put
it
in
the
staff
report
for
your
consideration,
and
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that.
Thank
you.
L
Yeah-
and
you
know
just
again
happy
happy
to
work
with
planning
to
come
up
with
something
that
that
works
for
them.
I
would
just
note
that
these
are
the
windows
that
we
put
in
almond
street.
We
sold
for
a
similar
price
range
even
higher.
We
always
try
to
be
as
cost
sensitive
on
places
where
we
can
save
for
our
buyers.
You
know
where
they
can
save
money.
They.
They
usually
appreciate
that,
but
yeah
we're
happy
to
work
with
planning
on
on
windows.
A
G
A
F
But
I
think
in
the
future
if
we
could
look
at
the
diversity
or
the
range
of
material
types
and
colors
in
the
nearby
buildings
and
just
take
an
empirical
approach
rather
than
saying
it's
a
really
diverse
place
and
and
coming
up
with
what
I
think
is
more
changes
in
color
and
materials
than
exist
in
the
historic
structures
surrounding
this
project.
So
that's
just
my
thought
going
forward.
F
G
So
this
is
from
the
wasatch
community
gardens.
It
says
to
the
members
of
the
historic
landmark
commission,
as
salt
lake
city
continues,
to
increase
in
population
and
density.
We've
seen
a
decrease
in
our
critical
pockets
of
open
space
for
urban
gardening.
While
it
is
possible
to
install
gardens
on
rooftops
and
parking
lots,
costs
are
often
prohibitive
to
provide
those
opportunities
in
urban
agricultural
lands
continue
to
disappear
and
are
not
replaced
when
new
developments
are
constructed
primarily
due
to
the
ever-increasing
cost
of
land
in
our
area.
G
It's
rare
for
a
developer
to
proactively
add
a
community
garden
in
a
new
development
and
I'm
thrilled
to
see
one
included
in
the
bishop
place
when
considering
this
is
an
option.
Garbette
homes
reached
out
to
wasatch
community
gardens
looking
for
input
and
best
practices
on
how
they
might
best
set
it
up
and
design
this
amenity.
G
G
Of
course,
the
shared
garden
is
also
is
also
a
wonderful
way
to
bring
neighbors
together
in
a
healthy
way.
Growing
food
provides
a
neat
unique
way
of
bringing
people
from
all
backgrounds
together,
while
wasatch
community
gardens
will
continue
to
work
with
salt
lake
city
and
salt
lake
county
to
provide
community
gardens
on
public
lands.
We
aren't
coming
close
to
meeting
the
demands
for
these
spaces.
L
L
You
know
my
only
suggestion
with
that
is
that
maybe
the
commission
would
approve,
make
an
approval
on
on
the
project
and
allow
us
to
work
with
planning
to
come
up
with
something
that's
suitable.
You
know,
planning
and
lex
in
particular,
been
very
helpful
with
some
of
the
design
features
of
this,
I
think
between
us
and
them
we
could
come
up
with
something
that
maintains
the
kind
of
is
true
to
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
while
still
and
maybe
toning
it
down
just
a
little
bit.
A
Okay,
yeah,
that
that
makes
sense.
We
can
talk
about
that
in
our
executive
session.
So
public
comment
is
closed.
Let's
move
into
executive
session
as
we
look
at
colors,
something
that
strikes
me
is
the
black
roofing
in
these.
In
this
time
of
climate
change
and
global
warming
and
and
the
urban
heat
island,
I
I'm
just
really
surprised
to
see
so
many
projects,
both
multi-family
and
single
family,
doing
black
roofs.
A
B
You
know
I
I,
like
I've
got
the
the
drawing
stuff
in
front
of
me.
I
I
like
the
modifications
to
to
the
entry
building,
actually
the
the
twin
buildings
right
up
front,
paying
a
bit
of
homage
to
to
the
gable
roof.
Bravo,
I
think
that
was
good.
I
I
don't.
I
don't
mind
that
the
colors,
I
think
that's
going
to
change
over
over
the
course
of
time.
Anyway-
and
you
know
this
is
this-
is
a
this-
is
a
different
place.
B
It's
going
to
take
people
who,
who
like
this
and
and
are,
are
willing
to
you
know
to
buy
into
to
living
on
on
in
this
area.
The
streets
are
a
little
bit
more
intimate.
There's
there's,
you
know,
there's
breaks
and
buildings.
I
you
know
that
that
part,
I
I
like
the
you
know
recognizing
that
that
I
think
you
could
build
more
units
and
you
settled
on
24,
given
a
little
bit
more
space
between
the
buildings
and
and
keeping
all
of
the
existing
trees.
B
B
Maybe
there's
a
ribbed,
concrete
or
or
something
that's.
That's
in
the
concrete.
That's
you
know
that
that
can
still
give
you
that
pattern,
just
just
something
to
think
about
the
the
colored
concrete.
You
know,
like
I
said
over
the
course
of
time
it
just
it's
just
it's
it's
really
hard
to
to
match
when,
when
you're
trying
to
you
know
to
rematch
it
five
years,
eight
years,
ten
years
from
now,
that's
my
only
comment.
Everything
else
I
I
think
this
could
be
a
very
nice
neighborhood.
H
Yeah,
I
would
commissioner
ma
here.
I
I
wanted
to
speak
on
the
materials.
This
was
something
that
we
spent
a
good
amount
of
time
discussing
in
previous
sessions,
and
you
know
definitely
would
like
to
have
that
conversation
again,
just
in
the
sense
that
I
think
a
big
part
of
why
we
were
encouraging
the
use
of
various
materials
was
because
of
the
existing
the
existing
build
there.
H
C
Happy
to
comment,
I
was
not
present
for
the
work
session
and
I'm
actually
just
quite
pleasantly
surprised
to
see
this
package.
I
was
very
unhappy
with
the
demolition
of
these
old
railroad
homes
and
this
little
micro
neighborhood,
but
I
think
that
garbette
and
the
architectural
team
has
really
done
a
fabulous
job
of
creating
a
micro
community
that
is
even
more
dense
than
the
original
bishop
place,
which
meets
the
intent
in
my
opinion,
of
the
sr-3
zone.
C
To
address
the
sections.
The
rear
yard
exception
on
the
east.
End
of
the
block
makes
total
sense,
particularly
with
respect
to
the
fact
that
it's
a
budding
a
multi-family
dwelling
parking
lot
and
the
other
setback.
Variations
also
make
sense
in
so
much
as
the
applicant
is
producing,
providing
additional
garden
space
and
green
space.
That
is
a
welcome
element
and
helps
to
tie
the
community
together.
C
I'll
also
address
the
height.
I
I
this
is
sr3
zoning,
which
is
relatively
low
we
could
get
out
on
the
third
west.
I
mean
that
street
could
tolerate
some
very,
very
high
buildings
and
the
applicant
is
only
proposing
to
exceed
the
height
limit
on
25
8
out
of
24
buildings
and
the
way
that
they're
scattered
through
the
development,
I
think,
reads
quite
nicely
finally,
hats
off
to
calling
it
bishop's
place.
That's.
A
A
E
A
C
I've
got
it
queued
up
here
and
I
was
happy
to
see
that
lexa
addressed
the
window
issue.
Okay,
go
ahead,
david,
okay,
I'm
just
gonna
read
what's
here,
so
based
on
the
analysis
and
findings
in
the
staff
report
and
that
the
standards
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
and
did
I
read
that
right,
yeah,
based
on
the
analysis
and
findings
in
the
staff
report,
that
the
standards
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
involving
new
construction,
the
local
historic
district
have
been
substantially
met.
C
The
applicant
will
work
with
staff
to
identify
a
type
of
window
that
meets
new
construction
standards,
2134
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h6c
windows
and
the
associated
design
guidelines
highlighted
in
the
staff
report
prior
to
the
issuance
of
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
motion,
also
to
approve
special
exceptions
based
on
the
analysis
and
findings
and
report.
The
standards
for
special
exceptions
have
been
substantially
met.
C
A
B
B
E
A
A
A
A
A
F
A
E
A
A
A
A
J
Were
on
for
me,
I
was.
I
was
noticing
that
I
I
was
noting
that
this
was
the
first
time
back
my
first
time
back
to
the
commission,
since
I
I
was
here
from
1998
to
2004
and
obviously,
since
I'm
a
newbie,
the
the
tech
is
still
a
little
challenging,
as
has
changed
from
2004
when
we
are
meeting
in
a
basement
room
of
the
city
and
county
building.
J
J
In
this
view,
the
the
north
is
off
to
your
right.
This
shows
a
little
bit
of
the
evolution
of
the
the
various
structures
on
the
site.
You
can
see
that
the
original
house
there
there's
been
a
later
edition.
There
was
an
attic
edition
and
then
the
rear
garage
also
has
had
a
number
of
additions
and
a
small
shed
added.
J
Moving
along
the
front
of
the
home,
you
can
see
it's
the
1909
house
on
the
front
is
largely
original.
You
can
see,
there's
a
victorian
style,
probably
a
pattern
book
design.
You
see
a
lot
of
these
examples
throughout
the
city
dating
from
about
this
time
period.
This
is
a
1909
home.
It
was
built
for
fannie
mae
taylor
woodard,
who
lived
elsewhere.
She
was
at
1211
first
avenue,
but
she
constructed
this
as
a
rental
property.
J
J
Okay,
this
is
the
west
side
and
the
south
side.
The
original
materials
are
painted,
brick
with
wood
shingles
in
the
gables,
and
the
owners
have
used
these
materials.
In
the
new
edition
you
can
see
in
the
left-hand
slide
the
1955
attic
edition,
which
added
a
shed
dormer
to
the
this
side
of
the
building.
J
J
J
J
J
It
had
aluminum
siding
the
owners
are
proposing
to
retain
this
edition,
remove
the
aluminum
siding,
but
the
the
edition
itself
would
be
incorporated
into
the
new
edition.
You
can
see
from
the
number
of
scares
coming
down
to
the
to
the
backyard.
The
pike
changes.
That's
the
the
main
floor
height
that
they
would
like
to
continue
out
onto
the
new
addition,
and
then
the
upper
story
height
is
driven
by
the
the
top
of
the
of
the
1965
edition
as
well.
J
J
So
this
may
you
know
looking
at
the
building,
it's
typical
of
pre
pre-1950
structures,
but
it
could
also.
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
basic
garage.
Basically,
you
can
see
the
the
east-west
slope
very
clearly
here
and
you
can
also
see
the
utility
pole.
That
is
a
constraint
on
the
the
south
property
line,
and
the
current
location
creates
a
blind
corner
at
the
intersection
of
these
two
alleys
that
they,
that
is
addressed
in
the
new
proposal.
J
These
are
other
views
you
can
kind
of
see
where
there's
been
additions.
There
was
a
1965
addition
to
the
building
that
expanded
it
to
the
north.
Then
there
was
that
little
pergola,
a
nice
grapevine
there
and
then
a
smaller
shed,
neither
of
those
appear
on
the
the
sanborn
map,
so
we
know
that
they
date
from
post
1950.
J
One
thing
to
note
is
that
these
these
kind
of
outbuildings
are
within
the
expanded
period
of
significance
for
the
avenues,
historic
district
when
it
was
updated,
they
were,
they
were
probably
constructed
within
that
time
period,
but
in
this
case
we're
we're
finding
that,
in
the
past,
demolition
is
has
typically
been
approved.
Of
these
structures,
considering
them
as
contributing
buildings
that
need
to
be
remain
on.
J
J
J
There
are
a
number
of
special
exceptions,
as
I
mentioned
here.
A
couple
of
them
are
detailed.
The
side
yard
setback
would
be
5.6
feet
required,
based
on
the
width
of
the
lot,
but
here
they're
requesting
four
feet.
That
would
allow
them
to
use
the
footprint
of
the
existing
1965
porch
and
then
just
go
back
in
line
from
that.
The
the
shed
dormers
on
the
rear,
the
maximum
dormer
width
allowed
generally
is
10
feet
here
were
increasing
that
to
15.
J
This
is
the
the
west
elevation.
I
don't
know
why
it
says
east,
but
you
can
see
that
the
the
grade
changes
substantially
here.
It's
much
it's
going
to
be
a
much
taller
edition,
but
again
it's
following
the
the
roof
line
of
the
existing
building
and,
like
I
said
it,
allows
the
finished
floor
heights
to
remain
consistent.
J
J
Okay,
this
is
the
rear
of
the
proposed
edition,
and
you
see
some
design
cues
taken
from
the
original
building,
also
a
little
walk
out
porch
on
the
on
the
second
story.
Those
kind
of
things
are
typically
reviewed
and
have
been
approved.
You
probably
have
seen
them
for
editions
in
the
in
the
avenues.
These
you
can
kind
of
see
the
the
great
changes
here
and
then
the
materials
again
they're
they're
willing
to
work
with
us
at
the
staff
level
or
you
know
if
you
decide
otherwise
to
resolve
those
details.
J
The
you
can
see
the
the
various
great
changes
they're
proposing
a
fiber
cement,
wood,
si
or
fiber
cement,
siding
on
the
on
the
building
with
window
and
door
details
to
be
determined,
and
these
are
the
other
elevations,
and
just
because
of
that
slope,
the
saw
in
the
photos
earlier.
The
special
exceptions
are
required
in
order
to
get
a
gable
roof.
J
J
So,
in
sum,
we
would
find
that
the
the
addition
meets
the
meets
the
standards
of
the
ordinance
meets
the
guidelines.
There
may
be
some
questions
as
to
differentiation
of
the
edition
and
the
original
building.
This
relies
on
a
vocabulary:
design
vocabulary,
that's
very
similar
to
that
of
the
original.
I
think
that's
appropriate
here.
J
J
Reviewing
for
taking
this
to
the
commission
was
a
number
of
special
exceptions,
not
necessarily
the
design,
so
in
total.
This
is
very
similar
to
the
kind
of
additions
that
we've
approved
at
the
staff
level
and
also
the
special
exceptions
that
we
approve
at
an
administrative
level,
but
thought
that
it
should
go
to
the
full
commission.
J
E
D
D
We
do
have
our
architect
here,
but
I
want
to
assure
the
commission
that
you
know
my
husband
and
I
we
moved
our
family
back
to
the
avenues
in
may.
We
specifically
looked
for
a
house
in
the
historic
district,
because
this
is
exactly
the
type
of
home
that
we
wanted
to
live
in
the
additions
and
the
garage
especially
are
unattractive
and
in
disrepair,
and
it
is
our
sincere
hope
to
make
the
whole
house
and
the
whole
property
more
period
specific,
because
we
love
the
period
look
of
the
house.
D
It's
why
we
wanted
to
buy
in
this
area,
and
we
think
that
we're
ours.
It
is
our
sincere
hope
that
the
house
will
look
will
contribute
to
the
aesthetic
of
the
neighborhood
in
a
much
better
way
than
it
already
does.
We
are
absolutely
committed
to
partnering
with
nelson
and
his
team
on
the
design
specifications
and
I
think
that
we
all
have
the
same
goal.
D
A
A
E
J
A
M
He
worked
diligently
with
me
and
you
know
I
had
specified
matching
the
the
the
materials
and
the
colors,
and
he
informed
me
that
that
is.
We
need
more
detail
with
that
and
that
he
could
help
me
with
that
cause.
We
didn't
want
wood
or
wood,
clad
windows.
We
do
want
to
do
those
items.
Another
thing
is
with
the
garage
a
couple
of
things:
we
moved
it
again
for
the
view
when
you
go
around
that
corner.
M
It's
a
blind
corner
for
sure,
and
the
garage
is
right
near
that
telephone
pole,
so
we
felt
it
appropriate
just
to
switch
directions.
We
didn't
want
to
keep
that
same
massing
and
their
garage
you
exit,
and
then
you
have
to
walk
up
some
stairs
outside
we.
I
had
moved
the
stairs
a
small
stairway
inside
the
garage
so
that
in
the
winter
time
it
was
a
little
safer
as
they
exited
their
car
and
out
to
their
rear
yard.
M
Also,
the
reason
for
the
ridge
and
the
walls
where
they
are
again
is
to
try
to
keep
that
massing
of
the
existing
home.
I
hope
we've
achieved
that
and-
and
those
are
the
reasons
why
we've
we've
asked
for
that
same
floor
height,
same
ridge
line
and
then
some
differentiation
in
the
mass
and
a
little
bit.
Well,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
If
anybody
has
any
just
wanted
to
raise
my
hand,
sort
of
good.
H
M
When
we
looked
in
there,
a
lot
of
the
original
materials
and
detail
work
are
there,
and
so
I
suggested
the
rear
yard
has
a
the
1965
cinder
block
flat
edition,
and
so
I
suggested
instead
of
you,
know,
tearing
out
all
that
really
nice
interior
work,
that
is
historical
and
existing
where
a
lot
of
people
have.
I
was
like.
Maybe
if
you
guys
are
willing-
let's
save
that
and
see
if
we
can
get
you
a
bedroom
on
top
of
this,
this
flat
roof
cinder
block
and
make
it
look
nicer.
A
D
D
Rocio,
I'm
in
as
well,
I
appreciate
when
folks
defer
to
the
expertise
of
their
architects
and
the
planner
that
is
working
with
them.
I
think
that
takes
a
lot
of
humility,
so
I
think
they
really
respected
the
restrictions
and
they
actually
embraced
the
restrictions
of
being
in
the
historic
district,
which
is
something
that
we
haven't
really
been
seeing
a
lot
of.
So
I'm
good.
C
Yeah
I'm
welcome
back
again
nelson,
and
I
appreciate
your
your
bow
ties
and
the
wonderful
historic
lead-in
about
victoria
place.
I
like
jessica,
I
initially
had
some
issues
with
the
length
of
the
dormer
walls,
those
15-foot
dormers
and
the
more
I
got
into
the
the
design
and
the
project.
You
know.
I
think
that
there's
so
many
good
things
going
on
here
that
they
deserve
a
special
exception
for
that
the
dormers,
specifically
as
for
a
special
exceptions
for
height,
it's
really
kind
of
a
no-brainer.
C
B
Yeah,
thank
you
I'll,
remember
to
wear
my
bow
tie
next
meeting.
I
I
I'm
enamored
with
what
the
owner
had
indicated
about.
You
know
looking
for
a
home
in
a
historic
neighborhood
and
and
and
finding
one
and
and
making
the
addition
of
the
new
edition
much
better
than
all
of
the
previous
divisions
and
it's
it's.
It's
a
nice
touch
and
I
think,
quite
frankly,
everything
that
happens.
You
know
behind
the
house,
you
know
it's,
it's
not
changing.
B
A
A
B
B
H
D
A
C
A
And
mike
that
motion
passes
unanimously,
this
project
is
approved
to
everyone
involved.
That
is
the
last
item
on
the
agenda.
I
just
need
to
say
that
anyone
is
adversely
the
affected
party,
as
defined
by
utah
code.
Section
10-98-103
may
appeal
a
decision
of
the
historic
landmark
commission
by
filing
a
written
appeal
with
the
appeals
hearing
officer
within
10
calendar
days
following
the
date
on
which
a
record
of
decision
is
issued.
A
The
applicant
may
object
to
to
the
decision
of
the
historic
landmark
commission
by
filing
a
repeal,
with
the
appeals
hearing
officer
within
30
calendar
days
following
the
date
on
which
a
record
of
decision
is
issued.
Don't
expect
we'll
hear
any
of
those
from
tonight
since
we
approved
everything,
but
those
are
the
rules
all
right
this,
this
commission,
this
meeting
tonight
is
now
adjourned
and
the
next
regular
meeting
the
commission
is
scheduled
for
thursday
november
5th
2020..