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From YouTube: Salt Lake City Council Work Session - 06/12/2023
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B
C
Allison,
thank
you
Council.
Thank
you.
So
much
I'm
really
excited
to
present
this
loan
request
on
behalf
of
Salt
Lake
City,
Sandwich
Company,
a
true
startup
and
a
very
invested
in
Poplar
Grove
and
the
west
side.
So
the
focus
will
be
providing
breakfast
sandwiches
and
lunch.
C
Sandwiches
to
working
people
on
the
west
side
of
Salt,
Lake,
City
I
think
it's
worth
noting
that
we
encourage
startup
businesses
to
to
enroll
in
entrepreneurial
classes,
with
our
partners
and
Michelle
who's
here
today
has
she's
in
not
enrolled
but
applied
to
the
banking
on
women
classes
provided
by
umlf,
the
Women's
Business
Center
in
Westminster,
College,
I,
believe,
and
if
you
have
any
questions
very
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
have.
A
Is
this
thank
you
for
being
here,
council
members,
any
questions
on
this
particular
application.
D
I
have
no
question
I
just
applaud.
You
know
those
genuine
startups
from
scratch.
That's
impressive
and
also
taking
the
classes,
that's
so
important,
so
that
the
business
succeed
so
I
appreciate
all
the
energy
that
went
into
this.
D
A
I
have
a
customer
I
have
a
general
question:
I
have
all
the
faith
in
this
business,
but
I
do
I
like
that
we're
we
are
a
funding
source
for
True
startups,
because,
as
a
business
owner,
I
know
that
that's
not
every
SBA
program
or
not
every
not
all
of
the
programs
are
available
to
actual
startups
when
they're
when
they're
beginning
their
business,
how
does
what
are?
A
How
does
our
program
work
and
what
does
a
pers
actual
startup
company
business
need
to
provide
in
order
to
qualify
for
our
funding
and
then
what
happens
if
the
for,
whatever
reason
the
business
doesn't
work
out,
is
that
are
they
personally
liable
or
like
what
are
the
guard
rails
and
and
sort
of?
How
do
we,
buffer
against
some
of
those
risks
and
support
the
businesses?
Can
you
just
kind
of
general
not
related
to
this
application?
Yeah.
C
Thank
you,
that's
a
great
question.
Those
are
great
questions
so
first,
so
the
business
provide
a
number
of
things,
including
some
personal
financials
projections,
but
crucially
a
business
plan,
the
business
model
and
business
plan,
and
so
a
lot
of
what
were
a
lot
of
our
scoring
comes
off
of
the
kind
of
the
idea
and
the
implementation
and
the
thoughtfulness
of
the
business
plan
and
then
go
to
your
second
question.
Oh
yes,
guardrails!
C
That's
another
great
question,
because
we
do
we
are
A
lender
of
Last,
Resort
and
so
more
risky
than
than
most,
if
not
all
that
are
out
there,
but
the.
But
the
applicants
are
personal
guarantors
on
the
loan
and
so
have
a
plan
and
the
unfortunate
event
that
the
business
did
not
work
out
do
have
kind
of
a
they
do
in
the
personal
guarantee,
have
a
plan
on
how
they'd
pay
it
back
without
the
business
in
place.
C
Okay,
as
well
as
a
10
collateral
requirement.
So
as
an
example,
food
trucks
like
this
will,
typically
the
food
truck
will
be
the
collateral
and
so
there's
an
ability
to
sell
that
to
pay
off
the
a
portion
of
the
loan.
With
the
collateral
and.
E
C
Addition
we're
very
flexible
and
we'll
work
with
business
owners
to
try
to
to
work
out
something
that's
fair
to
both
parties.
Yeah.
A
And
I
think
that's
important
with
you
know:
taxpayer
money
going
into
private
businesses
making
sure
that
that's
a
solid
investment,
but
do
we
have
any
other
even
like
smaller
dollar
amount,
Grant
programs
or
things
that
are
forgivable?
If
because,
like
as
that
lender
of
Last
Resort,
we
want
to
sort
of
have
a
maybe
a
sweet
spot
or
a
balance
between
actually
taking
a
risk
on
some
businesses.
That
could
be
very
successful,
but
traditional
lenders
wouldn't
look
I,
don't
these
are
all
general
questions,
but
right.
C
Well
and
really
good
questions,
so
loans
of
our
sweet
spot
is
the
100
000,
especially
for
startups,
and
that's
because
there
are
like
umlf
and
mo-fi,
for
example,
two
examples
of
loans
that
they
go
up
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
that
are
they're
a
little
more
Nimble
because,
like
you
said
it's
taxpayer
money
and
so
there's
a
there's,
a
very
thoughtful
process
that
we
follow.
C
We
want
to
be
responsible
stewards,
so
those
programs
they're
a
little
bit
more
flexible
and
Nimble
for
those
smaller
dollar
amounts
and
then
a
few
of
our
other
partners.
Swazo
Center,
for
example,
has
has
Mike.
F
A
About
the
new
Sandwich
Company
and
excited
to
try
sandwich
at
some
point,
council
members,
any
other
questions
on
this.
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you
so
much
thanks
for
being
here.
Thank
you
appreciate
your
interest
in
doing
business
in
the
city,
all
right,
we're
on
to
item
number
two,
which
is
the
only
other
item
on
our
agenda
tonight,
which
is
our
budget
fiscal
year.
2023-24
budget
unresolved
issues,
follow-up
briefing.
We
have
a
few
outstanding
things.
The
goal
would
be
to
really
finalize
everything
today
so
that
we
can
adopt
the
budget
tomorrow
am
I
correct
on
that,
which
means
we
have
as
much
time
as
we
need
to
get
through.
A
All
of
those
questions,
I
think
we
were
going
to
start
with
something
from
council
member
Wharton,
because
I
understand
that
councilman
your
time
is
limited
today,
so
we
want
to
give
you
a
chance
to
talk
about
something
I
think
related
to
Foothill
Trails.
Is
that
correct.
G
I
believed
so,
yes,
that's
what
I've
been
told
is
that
we
need
to
talk
about
that,
but
I
am
a
little
bit
confused,
because
I
had
asked
Christian
Riker
from
public
lands
during
the
public
lands
portion
of
our
budget
discussion
about
whether
they
would
be
asking
to
release
funding
for
the
Foothills
trails
and
that
that
would
not
be
part
of
the
request
for
this
budget,
but
that
would
be
coming
later
this
summer.
F
I
I
If
you
do
because
the
contingency
was
first
added
in
fiscal
year
22,
it
is
not
essentially
in
effect
now,
and
so,
if
you
wanted
it
to
be
in
effect,
it
would
be
something
we
would
add
to
this
year's
budget.
Adoption
ordinance.
I
Because
any
restriction
ends
when
the
fiscal
year
ends,
which
is
why
we,
actually
we
adopt
a
funding
our
future
contingency
every
single
year,
because
just
to
make
sure
it
continues
year
to
year.
A
I
Think
the
concern
was
that
there
might
have
been
a
misunderstanding
about
the
wording
and
so
whether
council,
member
Wharton
was
comfortable
with
dollars
that
they're
requesting
this
budget
year
in
their
base
budget
or
any
additional
budget
that
may
or
may
not
be
used
on
Trails
maintenance
and
council
member
Wharton
has
heard
from
constituents
that
even
Trails
you
know,
depending
on
the
level
of
Maintenance
and
the
kind
of
equipment
involved.
I
I
J
G
I
definitely
want
to
continue
because,
even
under
the
language
from
last
time
from
last
year,
the
the
requirements
that
we
put
on
the
funding
for
trails
it
it
may
have
been
met.
But
we
haven't
had
a
presentation
from
the
council
or
from
the
arts
department
to
the
council
like
showing
that
those
things
have
been
met.
I
have
some
questions
about
whether
or
not
they've
been
met
as
well,
and
so
I
would
ask
that
we
continue
with
more
or
less
the
same
language.
G
I
personally
would
also
like
to
see
the
the
money
for
maintenance
of
those
Trails
also
be
put
in
that
holding
account,
because
there's
in
the
past
been
some
issues
about
whether
something
is
considered,
maintenance
or
or
building
a
new
trail
and
I
really
think
that
you
know
where
we
as
a
council
need
to
need
to
see
what's
been
done
over
the
last
year
and
what
the
plan
is
going
forward
before.
We
can
make
any
decisions
about
maintenance
or
expansion
into
other
phases
of
the
project.
A
Am
I
understanding
it
right
that
there's
actually
two
different
amounts
of
funding
that
we
that
this
conversation
is
relevant
to
one
being
an
amount
of
funding
that
is
in
the
proposed
current
FY
24
budget
for
maintenance
and
councilman
Horton
sounds
like
you
would
like
to
to
consider
even
that
funding
as
to
what
maintenance
means,
et
cetera,
yeah,
there's
also
another
amount
of
funding
that
was
in
the
FY
22
budget
and
has
lapsed
and
would
need
to
be
reappropriated.
That's
not
true.
I
A
G
Essentially,
yes,
I'm,
not
saying
that
that
the
presentations
or
whatever,
have
been
inadequate,
because
I
I
Parks
offered
to
give
me
sort
of
a
preview
presentation
of
what
of
coming
events
and
what
they
are
hoping
to
present
to
the
council
and
the
reason
it
was
only
a
preview
is
because
it
they
they're
they're.
Really
at
this
point,
is
only
an
executive
summary
available
of
what
we
asked
them
to
to
go
back
and
do
so.
We
covered
the
executive
summary,
but
there's
been
a
director.
G
Ragler
told
us,
there's
going
to
be
a
more
in-depth
and
involved
presentation,
that's
beyond
the
executive
summary
and
that
is
to
the
full
Council
and
so
so
I
I.
The
only
correction
with
what
you're
saying
Mr
chair
is
that
I'm
not
saying
that
Parts
hasn't
done.
It
I'm
just
saying
that
that
we
as
a
group
and
we
individually
haven't
received
the
full
presentation
and
haven't
had
the
full
opportunity
to
ask
all
the
questions
we
need
to
ask
and
so
I
think
we
still
need
to
keep
it
all.
Anything.
G
That's
related
to
child's
maintenance
or
to
constructive
new
trails
in
the
Foothills
needs
to
be
continued
to
deposit
the
hold
on
those
needs
to
continue
until
we've
had
that
presentation,
and
until
we
can
decide
whether
we
want
to
move
forward,
which
is
what
part
C
of
the
contingency
language,
was
that
the
council
authorizes
moving
forward
after
evaluating
the
results.
Thank.
A
You
for
clarifying
that
okay,
so
I'm
comfortable,
saying
that
as
soon
as
the
department
and
the
administration
says,
they're
ready
to
give
us
that
presentation
to
get
it
scheduled
on
a
council
meeting
as
quickly
as
is
expedient
and
and
practicable.
Is
that
the
word
that
lawyers
use?
Are
you
okay
with
that
Vice
chair
and
council
members,
any
other
question
Okay?
So
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
we'll
put
both
of
those
things
continue
the
contingency
but
that,
as
soon
as
the
department
is
ready
to
come,
give
us
that
presentation?
A
Let's
get
that
scheduled
and
and
try
and
get
that
moving
is
quickly
as
possible,
at
least
that
discussion
great
okay,
councilman
anything
more
on
that
or
do
you
feel
comfortable
with
that
direction?.
G
No
I
feel
comfortable
and
and
I
I
My
Hope
Is
that
we
can
get
that
presentation
as
soon
as
possible.
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
any
delay
to
be
on
the
council
side,
but
I
I,
don't
think
we're
causing
any
of
the
delay
as
far
as
I
can
understand
right
now.
We
just
need
to
have
that
that
information
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
ask
those
questions
and
have
the
public
have
an
opportunity
to
hear
you
know
all
of
the
work
that's
been
going
on.
G
A
A
Okay,
so
I
think
that
gets
us
through
that
first
question
and
Jennifer
I.
We
know
we
talked
about
where
we're
going
next.
I
I
Maybe
really
quickly
before
we
go
to
the
next
thing
we
talked
about,
could
I
give
a
really
quick
update
on
where
we
stand
in
terms
of
new
information.
Yes,.
A
I
Were
two
items
that
have
been
adjusted
upwards,
which
is
great
in
terms
of
Revenue
since
the
last
time
we
talked
last
week,
the
new
growth
figures
for
from
the
State
Tax
Commission
were
updated,
and
last
time
we
talked
you
had
about
390
000
more
in
New
Growth
than
what
was
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
and
as
of
this
morning,
you
have
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
more
than
is
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
to
to
spend
essentially
for
new
growth,
yeah.
I
The
other
item
that
has
been
updated
is
the
actual
amount
of
CIP
dollars
that
you
can
recapture
I
think
we
talked
about
this
briefly
in
the
last
session
that
the
council
has
historically
asked
the
administration
to
review
any
CIP
account.
That's
over
that's
older
than
three
years
old.
We
had
a
placeholder
figure
of
about
a
half,
a
million
dollars
of
CIP
that
you
could
recapture.
Since
the
administration's
been
working
on.
I
It
they've
confirmed
that
that
figure
is
865,
000
234
and
those
are
dollars
that
are
coming
from
CIP,
but
because
they
are
originally
they
originated
in
the
general
fund.
You
could
either
choose
to
spend
them
on
CIP
projects
or
spend
them
to
balance
the
general
fund
or
save
them.
So
we've
listed
that
as
a
potential
Revenue
in
the
updated
version
of
the
tracking
sheet
that
we
sent
to
you
guys
earlier
today
and
that
it's
printed
out
in
your
places.
I
So
those
are
the
two
updated
items
from
revenue.
I.
Think
the
next
item
we're
going
to
go
to
is
the
air
quality
program.
The
administration
sent
some
additional
information
today,
I'm
kind
of
outlining
what
they
believe
are
sort
of.
More
specifics
about
the
program
and
the
justification
for
the
FTE
just
answering
some
of
the
wanting
to
answer
some
of
the
council's
questions
that
were
raised
in
recent
discussions.
So
I
don't
know
if
a
question
and
answer
format
is
more
appropriate
or
I.
F
A
Council
members
there
this
has
been
I
mean
this
might
be
the
biggest
un
resolved
issue
that
we
have
for
this
budget
year
is
the
funding
for
the
air
quality
initiatives
program,
including
your
Magnus.
The
numbers
there's
an
amount
for
an
FTE
and
then
there's
an
amount
for
program
right
funding,
and
it
was
it
something
like
196
for
the.
I
A
Is
anybody
not
clear
on
this?
Has
anyone
not
been
at
least
brought
up
to
speed
on
what
the
question
is?
Councilmember.
A
So
I
think
the
really
high
level
summary
is.
There
has
been
some
questions
about
those
air
quality
incentives,
whether
or
not
they
are
the
correct
incentives
or
the
think
programs
that
we
want
to
fund
or
if
there
are
different
programs
and
I
think
there
has
been
discussion
back
and
forth
about
both
sides
of
that
and
the
question
is:
do
we
have
enough
information
to
say?
Yes,
these
programs
are
the
right
things
and
we
want
to
fund
them
now
or
do
we
want
to
I
guess
the
other
alternative?
Well,
I,
guess,
there's
three!
D
Chair,
thank
you
and
I
appreciate,
I,
appreciate
the
response
from
the
administration
on
the
incentive
programs
and
the
vision
of
using
that
program
and
I
think
the
last
discussion
we
had.
We
were
first
concerned
that
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
funding
and
second,
we
were
kind
of
focused
on
one
sliver
of
these
incentive
programs,
and
that
was
more
just
on
the
e-bikes,
but
there's
a
lot
more
to
this
program
than
just
just
e-bikes.
That's
a
that's
a
slice
of
it
and
I.
D
Think
part
of
this
is
important
for
the
city
in
general,
and
also
one
of
our
priorities
of
air
quality
and
the
health
of
our
residents
that
we
do
have
an
additional
ft
to
manage
this,
because
if
we
don't
have
that
person,
then
we're
really
gonna
we're
gonna,
set
it
up
for
failure
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
in
this
program
that
need
a
lot
of
attention
and
they're
across
the
board.
E-Bikes
is
just
one
slice
of
it.
D
L
D
Of
this
program
that
will
be
valued
across
the
city
that
we
should,
we
should
really
kind
of
embrace,
because
this
does
allow
us
to
take
care
of
our
air
quality
at
all
levels
and
especially
in
places
where
it's
really
impacting
our
locals.
So.
A
D
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
approving
it
now
with
the
Ft,
because
without
that
person
to
take
care
of
all
these
programs,
we're
we're
going
to
set
it
up
for
failure
and
again
just
these
are
multiple
slices
and
they
also
it's
more
of
it's.
It's
not
all
set
in
stone
right
now.
That
is
some
development
in
that
area.
So.
J
M
I
really
would
appreciate
the
holding
account
before
anyone
lights,
pitchforks
and
comes
for
me,
which
tends
to
happen
when
I
take
a
counter-majoritarian
view
here.
I
am
not
saying
you
know
to
this
program
at
all,
and
I
acknowledge
the
very,
very,
very
big
issue
that
is
our
air
quality
and
our
environmental
health.
What
I'm
not
sure
about
is
the
lane
and
it
if
you
look
at
it.
This
is
analogous
to
the
homelessness
crisis
and
I
have
been
very
well
convinced
by
very
good
policy
makers
that
we
get
out
of
our
lane.
M
When
we
do
too
much,
we
need
to
spend
our
resources
strategically.
This
is
a
crisis.
We
are
at
a
point
where
we
could
potentially
find
this
Valley
unlivable.
Our
responsibility
is
grave,
so
the
idea
that
we
would
not
be
as
strategic
in
making
sure
this
money
is
spent
in
the
single
most
effective
way
that
is
non-duplicative
that
is
impactful
to
our
residents
is
really
important
to
me
and
I,
don't
feel
now
in
my
second
year
doing
budget
that
I've
ever
gotten
my
feet
under
me
as
to
where
the
lane
is
for
this.
M
M
The
only
difference
I
can
see
between
this
and
the
homelessness
crisis
is
that
the
homelessness
crisis
impacts
are
more
quarantined
geographically
and
to
certain
subsets.
The
air
quality
of
Crisis
doesn't
indeed
impact
all
people
all
places,
no
matter
what
I
understand
the
gravity
of
it.
I
am
not
saying
cut
it.
I
am
saying:
let's
Place
hold
it
and,
let's
make
sure
we
understand
our
internal
strategy.
Soup
To
Nuts
top
to
bottom
front.
M
G
Okay,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
so
I
I'm,
sorry
that
I
wasn't
able
to
participate
in
the
discussion
last
week.
G
But
for
me
this
feels
like
an
extension
of
a
lot
of
the
efforts
that
Salt
Lake
City
has
led
out
on
on
air
quality
when
it
came
from
when
the
city
first
started,
moving
all
of
our
Fleet
to
hybrid
vehicles
and
then
electric
vehicles,
when
we
started
providing
free
parking
for
for
a
hybrid
and
electric
vehicles,
installing
charging
plugs
and
us
investing
more
in
additional
UTA
routes,
us
investing
in
First
to
Last,
Mile
Transit
like
to
me.
G
G
So
I
feel
like
we're
building
on
the
success
of
what
we've
seen
in
Salt
Lake
City,
but
we're
also
looking
at
these
other
cities,
and
you
know
I
I,
don't
love
to
give
props
to
Denver
over
Salt
Lake
City
ever,
but
in
this
instance
the
program
in
Denver
I
think
has
been
pretty
transformational
in
terms
of
their
e-bike
program.
G
I
know
that
it
would
make
a
difference
for
a
lot
of
residents
in
in
my
district,
where
and
I'm
talking
about
the
ebike
program,
specifically
on
this
on
this
point
that
you
know,
if
you
have
a
family
with,
you
know
a
young
child
or
something
or
if
you
need
to
go
to
the
grocery
store
for
a
lot
of
people.
Taking
a
bike
is
a
non-e-bike
is,
but
they
want
to
not,
but
not
being
able
to
do
that
because
of
the
impracticality.
G
G
Just
kind
of
continuing
to
go
down
the
lane
that
we're
in
and
I
know
that
you
know
when,
when
I'm
talking
to
residents
among
the
top
things
that
they
want
us
to
resolve
as
a
council,
that
they
want
us
to
work
for
work
on,
are
that
housing
and
homelessness
issue
and
the
air
quality
issue,
and
it
it's
so
hard
because
our
hands
are
so
tied
in
a
lot
of
areas
to
address
air
quality
directly
and
I
feel
like
I
have
to
go
back
to
them
again
and
again
and
say
the
reason
we
can't
do.
G
That
is
because
of
you
know
whether
it's
federal
or
state,
or
whatever,
issues
that
don't
allow
us
to
regulate
car
exhausts
or
or
traffic
to
an
extent,
but
that
implicates
you
know
highways
or
state
roads
or
whatever
we
can't
admission
standards.
We
can't
limit
those
things.
We
don't
have
that
Authority
so
to
to
incentivize
programs
and
to
help
coordinate
MBA
resources
for
residents
in
areas
where
we
can
significantly
cut
back
where
we
can
invest
in
alternative
modes
of
transportation.
G
To
me,
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
we're
just
continuing
down
the
road
and
in
the
lane
that
we've
been
in
for
for
a
while,
so
I
think
in
terms
of
the
bang
for
our
buck
that
we
could
get
from
this
program.
G
It
makes
sense
to
me
and
I
I
would
like
to
see
us
support
it
and
make
any
adjustments
we
need
to
as
we
go
forward
I.
So
that's
that's
what
I
would
advocate
for
thanks.
F
Councilman
Wharton
councilman
thank.
K
You
I
think,
if
I,
if
I,
just
look
at
into
this
program
or
or
this
program,
that
we
want
to
the
service
that
we
want
to
provide
I
guess
the
question
is
like:
do
we
want
to
provide
a
service
of
this
kind
where
somebody
is
managing
these
two
things
and
is:
does
this
Merit
a
full-time
position
and
if
we,
you
know,
follow
the
mission
statement
which
is
reduced?
K
K
Let's
do
it
at
the
same
time,
because
I
from
what
I
heard
from
last
meeting
when
there
was
you
guys
were
saying
that
there
are
programs
like
this
at
the
state
level
that
we
can
leverage
or
maybe,
which
is
help
a
little
bit,
but
we
don't
do
it
all
or
all
of
it
ourselves.
K
Then
that's
where
to
me.
The
question
is
like
okay,
so
there's
two
things
that
they
might
be
managing.
Do
we
need
a
full-time,
or
can
it
be
just
for
this
one
time
to
manage
that
or
if
we
do
it
full
time,
then
can
we
add
on
to
what
they're
doing
right
now?
Basically,
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
two
programs.
I
feel
like
does
not
a
lot
that
this
person
is
in
no
offense
to
sustainably
I
I,
don't
know
how
it
works,
but
I
feel
like.
K
N
So
I
I,
thank
you,
Mr,
chair
I,
you
know
I
I
think
us
was
mentioned.
Obviously,
I
support
the
idea
of
of
this
grant
I.
You
know
using
Denver
as
an
example,
and
this
is
fantastic.
They
have
tried
this
and
the
city
is
investing
a
lot
on
bike
infrastructure,
safe
bike
lanes
and
whatnot.
I
feel
like
it's
a
big
deal.
N
I
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
the
city
is
very
much
aware
of
how
the
equity
issues
on
this
and
I
I
will
not
hesitate
on
trying
to
get
the
funds
back
if
it's
not
implemented
correctly.
N
That
is
a
very
big
deal
for
me,
but
I
also
want
to
you
know
amplify
something
that
council
member
Petro
mentioned,
but
you
know
it's
funny
that
in
some
ways
we're
trying
to
mimic
Denver
on
their
successes
on
this
issue
but
at
the
same
time
we're
trying
to
stay
away
from
the
success
of
essential
company
that
Denver
has
and-
and
we
are
sort
of
many
of
us
are
in
this
table
on
in
the
other
side-
are
saying
that
this
is
the
state's
role
when
we're
talking
about
sanctioned,
camping
or
helping
on
that.
N
But
on
this
case,
even
though
this
program
or
some
of
these
programs
were
run
by
the
state
before
now,
they're
saying
that
we
should
do
more
on
this,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
I
I
agree
that
Salt
Lake
City
has
taken
a
lead
role
on
these
issues,
but
we
we
need
to
be
sincere
with
ourselves
about
all
of
this
conversation
and
how
it
sounds
outside
the
city
hall.
N
If
we're
going
to
do,
one
which
I
think
it
is
a
great
program,
we
need
to
also
tackle
some
of
the
biggest
problems
we
have
in
our
streets
every
day
and
I
believe
that
we
need
to
put
it
in
context
when
we're
talking
about
bikes,
I
love
the
idea,
love
this
I
would
love
to
support
it.
But
let's,
let's,
let's
remember
the
bigger
conversation
here
when
we're
using
Denver
as
an
example,
again
I'm
supportive
of
this
I
think
this
is
a
big
deal.
N
Let's
make
sure
that
it's
Equitable
and
then
correctly,
but
yeah
just
leave
that
out.
There.
A
Guess,
since
everyone
shared
their
thoughts,
I
coming
in
today
was
in
support
of
a
holding
account
for
the
full
amount
of
the
program.
Funding,
plus
the
FTE
I.
Think
I
could
and
I
had
similar
questions
about
whether
or
not
e-bikes
is
the
highest
and
best
use
of
the
that
kind
of
an
incentive
and
I
am
also
concerned
about
the
equity
issue.
A
I
would
love
it
if
we
could
make
it
income
qualified
who
who
gets
the
incentive
for
the
e-bike,
because
I
think
there
are
people
who
can
very
easily
afford
an
e-bike
and
the
500
first
of
all,
I,
don't
even
know
the
level
of
the
incentive
or
the
rebate
do
we
do.
We
know
that
it
has
that
been
clarified,
because
not
knowing
exactly
how
much
money
we're
giving
to
this
program.
It's
hard
for
me
to
say
who
this
is
going
to
benefit
right.
A
I
can
see
a
lot
of
people
that
could
very
well
afford
an
e-bike
if
they
get
five
hundred
dollars
being
that
might
encourage
them
to
purchase
the
e-bike
and
maybe
that's
good,
but
for
individuals
who
actually
need
it
to
get
around
and
for
whom.
This
would
really
help
benefit
their
life.
A
500
incentive
may
not
be
enough,
so
it
to
me.
That's
the.
A
So
I
guess
maybe
drilling
into
little
more,
who
is
actually
going
to
benefit
from
the
e-bike
incentive
and
how
we
make
sure
that
it's
the
people
that
really
need
it.
The
most
and
I'm
not
saying
we
shouldn't
do
any
kind
of
incentive
for
people
that
have
have
enough
money,
but
maybe
just
need
a
little
bit
of
push
to
become
a
little
more
green.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
the
majority
of
the
money
is
going
to
people
who,
but
for
the
incentive
could
not
afford
the
e-bike.
O
Sure,
thanks
for
all
your
thoughtful
consideration
on
this,
we
really
appreciate
it.
We
we
don't
have
the
program
fully
designed
because
that
will
take
stakeholder
engagement.
J
O
Sophia
Nicholas
in
the
sustainability
Department.
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
note
that,
yes,
we
are
planning
to
design
it
so
that
there
is
an
equity
component
and
and
an
income
qualified
component
Denver's
program.
If
we
were
to
model
it
as
similar
to
Denver's,
they
had
a
300
point
of
sale
discount
for
anyone,
and
then
they
dedicated
I
think
it
was
12
or
1400
for
income
qualified
and
that
can
cover,
depending
on
the
bike,
that's
chosen
that
can
cover
all
of
it
for
certain
models.
O
So
we
really
I
mean
if
we
would
really
appreciate
your
guidance
on
that
and
this,
if,
if
you
do
want
all
of
it
to
be
income
qualified
or
just
making
sure
that
we
were
already
planning
to
to
do
that,
but
appreciate
any
guidance
you
have
in
this
conversation,
I
will
say
that
that
part
of
why
we
haven't
kind
of
designed
the
whole
program
out
yet
is
because
it
will
take
a
fair
amount
of
Engagement
with
the
community
with
our
community-based
organizations,
with
our
fellow
divisions
as
well,
and
so
I
will
say
that
I've
already
been
talking
with
bike
Utah
with
UCare
we've
talked
with
Denver.
O
O
I
think
I
I,
don't
think
it's
necessarily
something
that
that
we
can
say.
Oh,
you
have
to
have
storage
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
for
the
the
the
program,
but
it
is
something
that
we've
I
went
to
the
bike
Utah
Summit
last
week
week
before,
and
we
spent
three
hours
talking
about
e-bikes.
So
it's
definitely
something
that
people
are
thinking
about.
O
I
I
loved,
your
idea
of
look
exploring
public-private
Partnerships
for
places
that
that
could
potentially
host
lockers
I
do
know
that
Denver
and
some
of
the
other
programs
they
as
part
of
their
their
program.
They
included
high
quality
locks,
helmets
lights.
Things
like
that,
so
that
people
did
have
a
way
to
to
make
sure
that
they
could
maintain
and
safely
lock
up
their
bikes,
but
we'd
be
happy
to
follow
up
with
with
Denver
as
well
as
other
cities
and
see
if
they
have
any
other
Lessons
Learned
for
us
on
those
issues.
So.
M
And
to
be
clear,
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
a
condition
of
them
qualifying
I.
Think
it's
an
incentive,
my
neighbors,
who
are
a
refugee
family
from
Somalia
who
live
multi-generationally
in
a
three-bedroom
house,
won't
let
their
kids
have
bikes
because
there's
no
place
to
store
them
and
with
e-bikes
I
have
to
imagine
that
weatherproof
storage
becomes
even
more
important
than
for
just
traditional
bikes.
M
So
those
those
two
elements
I
think
actually
for
the
people
who,
among
whom
were
attempting
to
create
a
bike,
culture
actually
even
more
important
and
your
Partnerships
probably
are
going
to
have
to
go
to
the
CLC
coordinators
at
Mountain
View
at
Meadowlark,
at
the
places
that
serve
our
Refugee
communities
deeply
because
bike
Utah
is
is
good
at
what
they
do,
but
you're
literally
attempting
to
create
a
lane
that
hasn't
been
created.
If
we
do
this
correctly.
A
M
N
Chair
I
want
to
put
it
on
perspective
for
those
that
don't
you
know,
this
is
happening
a
lot
on,
not
only
on
the
west
side.
You
know,
but
I
tell
you
from
experience.
It
happens.
A
lot
on
the
west
side,
I
mean
I
drive
by
you,
know
the
Intermodal
Hub
every
day,
and
there
is
a
camp
right
there
right
now
that
has
probably
50
bikes.
N
It's
it's
a
it's
a
thing,
it's
a
problem
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
is
also
addressed
because
it
we're
there
is
a
hole
in
the
system
about
bikes
and
how
we
scores
or
not
about
those
so
I
just
want
to
just
amplify
the
the
concern
that
council
member
Pedro
has
thank.
O
I'll
just
say
too
that
we
I
really
appreciate
that
we've
been
talking
with
community
members
in
these
organizations
as
well,
and
we
would
not
just
be
running
the
program
without
any
sort
of
other
conversations
internally
with
with
other
departments.
So
we
have
an
electrified
Transportation
steering
committee,
and
we
would
run
this
program
through
one
of
those
subcommittees
so
that
we
could
be
coordinating
with
transportation
and
planning
and
other
relevant
departments
to
start
looking
at
some
of
those
other
issues
that
we
need
to
that
have
come
up
as
well.
So.
M
H
Could
make
it
contingent
on
it
coming
back
once
the
program
is
developed
it
it
wouldn't
naturally
come
back
once
the
funds
are
appropriated,
I.
H
Yeah
so
there's
the
model
where
you,
where
you
do
an
appropriation
for
like
Ace,
and
that
then
is
just
entirely
administrative
after
that,
so
this
is
more
along
those
lines.
So
if
you
do
want
to
have
more
opportunity
for
input
as
they
have
as
they
develop
their
program,
then
you
can
just
ask
for
a
car.
M
I,
don't
think
I
would
want
that
level
of
oversight,
but
especially
while
we
are
attempting
to
understand
more
clearly
sustainability,
their
role
and
their
Lane
I.
Don't
think
it
would
be
a
terrible
idea
for
us
to
have
another
touch
Point
as
a
batch
to
say
this
is
the
RFP
or
this
is
you
know
who
we
something
like
that?
Would
that
would
allow
us
to
preserve
some
legislative
role
in
it.
D
I
I
agree:
that's
part
of
the
development
of
the
program
right
so
because
you
don't
want
to
micromanage
down
to
the
smaller
level
but
give
them
here's
the
framework,
here's
the
parameters.
Maybe
you
walk
through
the
first
couple
ones
just
so.
You
have
an
idea
that
hey
what
we
said
and
what
we
actually
thought
is
happening
now
are
congruent
with
each
other.
So
but
it
is
a.
H
D
Yeah,
what's
your
program
and
what
are
the?
What
are
the
criterias
for
that
and
then
again
that
that
it's
a
wonderful
way
to
do
it,
but
you
have
to
have
funding
for
for
all
the
aspects
of
it.
You
can't
just
piecemeal
it
and
hold
off
on
part
of
it,
because
you'll
never
get
there.
You'll,
always
just
you're
going
to
succeed
in
failing.
G
Thanks
I
I
want
to
address
that,
like
a
parent
like
inconsistency
with
this
and
the
the
sanctioned
campaign
that
the
councilmember
we
raised
because
I
think
that's
a
valid
like
you
know,
point
that
would
come
up
that
people
would
wonder-
and
oh
something
loud
is
about
to
happen
where
I
am
so
hold
on.
Just
a
second
sorry,
something.
G
Okay-
sorry
so
yes,
yeah,
sorry
I
just
didn't
want
to
it
was.
You
were
gonna,
be
able
to
hear
me
anyway.
It
was
much
less
disruptive,
I,
I!
Think
that
we're
talking
about
you
know
we're
being
asked
to
put
aside
96
000
for
this
program.
G
That's
going
to
replace
a
program
that
we
know
is
going
away
and
is
going
to
create
a
new
program
with
e-bikes
that
I
hear
the
administration
saying,
is
going
to
be
sensitive
to
income
and
is
going
to
address
the
security
concerns
and
whether
it's
you
know
a
wealthy
person
that
gets
or
I
shouldn't
say
wealthy,
whether
it's
a
person
of
average
income
that
gets
you
know
200
off
of
a
bike
or
someone
that
deeply
needs
additional
support
and
they
get
maybe
1500
off
a
bike,
the
benefit.
It
benefits.
G
Everybody
because
we're
all
it's
one
less
car.
You
know
in
theory
that
that
we're
all
benefiting
from
and
we
get
all
of
that
for
96
000.
with
the
sanction
and-
and
we
also
have
staff
that
are
coming
to
us
and
telling
us
that
this
will
make
a
big
difference,
and
we
have
you
know
a
department.
G
That's
saying
this
is
what
we're
going
to
do
to
roll
this
out
and
make
sure
that
it's
a
success
on
the
sanctioned
camping,
like
that's,
in
addition
to
all
of
the
money
that
we're
talking
about
adding
into
housing
this
year,
creating
this
new
Adu
funding
program
and
all
of
the
other
things
that
we've
done
every
single
year
for
the
past
several
years
to
address
homelessness
in
different
models
from
the
The
Village.
To
switch
point
to
you
know
all
of
these
other
programs
that
we've
done
recently
that
have
cost.
G
You
know
a
significant
amount
more
and
then
now
going
I
think
the
request
that
I
heard
last
towards
the
sanction
camping
was
five
hundred
thousand
and
I'm
still
not
I'm.
Still
in
the
same
position,
I
was
before
I'm
in
I
want
to
be
persuaded.
I
want
to
hear
that
presentation.
I
want
to
believe
that
that
is
going
to
go
towards
something
great,
but
I
haven't
gotten
any
an
additional
any
additional
information
about
what
we're
going
to
get
with
that
500
000
versus
asking
the
administration
what
we're
going
to
get
for
this
96
000.
G
A
A
Think
we
should,
let
me
take
a
stab
at
the
sustainability
hold
on
nevermind
gonna
sneeze,
but
I
didn't.
Let
me
take
a
stab
at
this.
A
Happen
some
people
allowed
was
about
to
happen,
but
it
didn't
in
my
case
and
that's
so
so
unsatisfying.
Let
me
take
a
step.
I
I'm
hearing
that
there's
not
opposition
to
the
program
expenses,
the
incentives
that
people
are
comfortable
with
that
I
hear
that
there
may
be
some
need
for
us
to
match
that,
or
at
least
come
to
some
some
additional
funding
or
maybe
take
a
piece
of
that
off
for
the
security
and
the
storage
piece
and
I,
don't
know
exactly
how
that
works
or.
A
But
if
someone
comes
in
and
does
it,
that
is
that
that
needs
to
be
part
of
the
program
and
whether
that
means
we
need
to
increase
the
money
so
that
we
can
do
both
or
it
means
we
need
to
just
carve
off
some
of
this
I'm,
seeing
580
000
right,
250
from
ongoing
and
230
more
so
480
000.
Whether
a
portion
of
that
needs
to
be
diverted
to
not
just
the
incentives
but
the
security
and
storage
piece,
but
that
that
sounds
to
me
like
it's.
Making
councilman's
comfortable
with
the
program
ending.
Is
that.
D
That's
part
of
the
development
is
that
it's,
this
is
going
to
develop
into
that
program,
and
that's
that's
why
you
have
it
at
this
point.
You
find
it
at
this
point,
so
they
can
do.
It
start
started
July
1st,
instead
of
give
us
a
program
that
they
have
to
expend
money
that
they
don't
have
for
that
program
and
that's
the.
A
The
point
I
want
to
I
think
we
should
tackle
next,
is
that
FTE
I
think
I'm
still
not
a
hundred
percent
sure
that
I'm
ready
to
approve
the
FTE,
but
maybe
we
have
some
information.
We
can
get
right
now
about
what
else
that
does,
because,
if
it's
480
000
of
program
funds
and
ninety
six
thousand
dollars
for
which
I
think
is
only
for
10
months
of
the
FTE,
to
administer
that
that
feels
like
a
large
pers
like
the
overall
amount,
is
five
hundred
and
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
20
of
that.
A
Whatever
18
of
that
is
going
to
just
administration
of
that.
That
feels
like
a
big
overhead
and
I'm
wondering
what
else
that
FTE
can
to
councilmember
Baltimore's
question.
What
else
can
that
person
be
doing
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
we
need
a
full-time,
ongoing
FTE
for
that
amount
of
money,
and
it
seems
like
we
may
be
able
to
do
it
either
in
a
leaner
way
or
with
Partnerships
with
other
non-profits,
or
that
that
FTE
could
do
some
additional
things.
Besides
administer
those
funds,
I.
O
Will
say
that
we
were
also
we
have
the
indoor
air
quality
tools
that
are
also
part
of
this
budget,
so
the
filters
and
the
purifiers
as
well.
For
the
last
three
years
we
have
only
had
the
250
000
that
we've
been
using
to
match
with
the
state
funding
for
their
program.
We've
learned
a
lot
through
working
with
them.
O
They
have
spent
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
on
that
program
and
I
think
we
very
much
know
that
we,
we
really
can't
do
much
of
any
of
these
incentive
programs
without
our
own
full-time
employee,
because
it
just
takes
so
much
even
to
manage
partner
relationships.
There's
Contracting,
there's
all
of
the
procurement
processes,
there's
I.
Think
for
us,
the
full-time
employee
is
the
primary
request
and
then,
if
you
wanted
to
do
anything
more
with
the
actual
incentives
money,
we
could
have
that
conversation.
D
D
M
D
M
That
might
be
a
matter
of
I
haven't
been
able
to
go
deep
enough
and
if
so,
I
apologize.
But
if
I'm
going
to
spend
our
constituents
money
on
things,
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
spending
it
in
the
most
powerful
way
and
like
I'm,
really
struggling
not
to
feel
frustrated
because
we
say
things
like
one
more
car
off
the
street,
but
when
it
comes
to
Camping
one
more
person
off
the
trail
would
be
really
impactful
to
us,
and
it
does
feel
like
because
this
is
something
that
impacts
all
socioeconomic
classes
across
the
city.
G
Well,
just
I
I
see
it
and
hear
your
frustration,
but
I
feel
like
we're
doing,
I
mean
it's
not
just
the
500
for
the
sanctioned
camping
right,
there's
a
bunch
of
other
things
that
we're
funding
to
address
housing
as
well
and
I.
I,
don't
see,
duplicity
in
this
program
or
us
going
beyond
our
lane.
So
maybe,
if
you
could
speak
to
what
you
see
as
duplicative
or
what
you
see
of
us,
is
this
going
beyond
our
lane?
That
would
help
me
understand
better
because
I
see.
M
I
see
that's
what
I'm
saying
we've
because
of
the
nature
of
budget
season.
It
feels
like
we
haven't
clearly
defined
the
lane
like
we
have
for
other
departments,
and
so
we
have
we've
all
gotten
fixated
me
included
on
the
e-bike
element
of
it,
and
we
haven't
examined
it
to
make
sure
that
this
is
being
spent
as
effectively
as
possible.
A
I
think
also
a
an
impetus
for
the
council
to
actually
have
that
policy
discussion
that
I
think
we've
been
needing
to
have
for
many,
for
at
least
as
long
as
I've
been
here
of
what
sustainability
Department,
what
the
Mandate
is
and
how
we
want
that
mandate
to
be
carried
out
so
that
we
can
have
because
I
think
there's
enough
question
that
I've
heard
just
from
either
Council
to
staff
level
or
Administration
to
to
legislate
a
branch
level
about
what
the
role
is,
that
I,
I,
I,
I
I,
guess
where
I'm
landing
is
I'm.
A
Also
I
feel
like
the
time
would
not
be
wasted
for
us
to
hold
on
this
for
a
minute
and
have
that
deep
policy
discussion
so
that
we
can
all,
as
a
city,
be
on
the
same
page.
Hopefully
we
end
up
there
about.
This
is
what
they
do,
and
so
there's
no
more
questions
about
this.
There
is
or
is
not
the
role
of
this
department
and
I
think
I
would
hope
we
could
have
that
very
quickly
and
that
we
could
I
mean
this
whole
conversation
could
could
be
avoided
next
year.
A
K
M
M
What
I'm
concerned
about
is
that
when
we
develop
programs
and
sustain
them
and
Implement
them
and
make
them
dependent
on
the
general
fund
that
we
are
doing
so
in
a
way
that
protects
our
constituents
the
most
now
we've
talked
before
about
the
possibility
of
let's
use
lobbying
energy
in
dollars
to
make
sure
the
state
is
doing
what
they
can
do
and
that,
and
then
we
take
on
the
next
part
until
we've
had
a
chance
to
talk
about
that.
I
don't
feel
personally
like
I'm
in
a
place
where
I
can
vote
in
good
faith.
For
this.
M
It
is
not
it's
nothing,
except
that
this
budget
season
is
full
of
everything
we
tend
to
fixate
on.
You
know,
treason
and
forests.
Here
it's
always
hard
to
pick
which
one
we're
focusing
on,
and
we
we've.
This
has
kind
of
been
an
organically
developing
kind
of
a
pun
intended
there
department,
and
so
we
need
to.
M
It
feels
like
a
strategic
moment
for
us
to
pause
and
say:
are
we
still
doing
what
we
said?
I
mean
we've
watched
the
clean
energy
initiative
come
forward
and
they've
kept
up
with
that,
but
these
things
evolve
in
ways
that
are
so
just
natural
to
the
environment
around
us
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
putting
legislative
processes
in
at
every
place
that
it
can
be
and
that
we're
safeguarding
our
constituents,
money
and
health
through
what
we
approve
or
don't
improve
here
and
I.
M
Just
don't
feel
in
good
faith
that
we've
had
the
moment
to
do
that
on
this
particular
issue.
It's
a
lot
clearer
when
it's
an
engineer
or
a
building
permit
person,
because
those
those
lanes
are
so
clear
and
their
work
is
so
clear.
This
is
something
where
we
could
get
Mission
drift
and
if
we
go
a
mile
wide
in
an
inch
deep,
we
all
still
die
from
lung
cancer.
F
A
E
You
very
much
Mr
chair
and
thanks
to
the
council
for
taking
a
closer
look
at
this
and
giving
this
so
much
time
and
consideration
just
a
couple
of
things
that
I
want
to
make
sure
to
try
to
clarify
one.
E
You
know
we
understand
the
desire
by
the
council
and
it's
a
desire
that
we
share
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
really
clear
on
sustainability's,
Mission
and
and
really
kind
of
rounding
that
out
in
ordinance
so
that
we
do
have
you
know
all
of
the
all
the
buy-in
and
all
of
the
you
know
Clarity
around
what
the
department
does.
E
That
said,
you
know
I
think
the
administration
feels
very
confident
that
giving
residents
the
tools
to
improve
air
quality
in
their
own
homes
in
their
own
lives
is
part
of
the
mission
and
will
remain
part
of
the
mission
and
there's
very
little
that
the
city
itself
can
do
in
terms
of
regulating
air
quality.
You
know
we
don't
get
to
regulate.
You
know
Big
Industry.
We
don't
really
get
to
do
a
lot
aside
from
look
at
clean
energy
and
giving
air
giving
air
quality
tools
to
residents.
E
So
we
feel
confident
that
this
isn't
a
a
program
that
creates
any
kind
of
duplicity
with
the
state.
We've
worked
for
the
last
three
years
with
the
state
on
their
air
quality
improvements
with
a
lawn
Exchange
program,
they're
not
doing
that
anymore.
No
one's
doing
these
programs,
you
know,
there's
not!
There's
there
aren't
the
bike,
Collective
isn't
doing
e-bike
programs,
we
are
working
with
the
county
on
indoor,
air
quality,
work
and
I.
Think
we'll
continue
to
explore
all
of
those
relationships
in
terms
of
air
purifiers
HVAC
upgrades
those
sorts
of
things
we're
not
gonna.
E
We
are
really
not
trying
to
Mission
creep
here.
We
feel
very
confident
that
this
program
wouldn't
Mission
creep,
and
you
know
I
mean
I,
think
that
said
with
the
contingency
funds.
It
would
help
us
I
think
if
the
council
goes
that
direction
to
get
very
clear
around
what
you
want
us
to
come
back
to
present
to
you,
and
it
would
also
be.
You
know
incredibly
helpful
if
I
think
the
council
would
be
willing
to
fund
the
FTE
without
Condit
without
a
contingency,
and
then
we
can
come
back
with
the
program.
E
A
J
D
A
D
I'm
I'm
also
thank
you
for
that
option,
because
I
was
pushing
hard
for
the
whole
thing,
but
you
need
the
ft
to
help
us
get
there,
because
we
don't
without
the
Ft
we
don't
have
the
man.
We
don't
have
the
labor
forces
to
get
to
the
problem,
so
you
have
to
have
the
Ft.
That's
why
I
was
saying
fund
the
whole
thing,
but
if,
if
you're
concerned
about
the
program
itself
and
the
development
and
the
and
where
it's
tracking
you
you
gotta,
have
the
person
to
help
you
get
there.
D
D
250
is
a
is
basically
of
last
year,
so
it'd
be
the
the
just
the
increase
of
230.,
because
the
the
the
the
program's
already
based
there.
So
it
would
be
fund
the
FTE
but
contingent.
The
230
increase
contingent
of
the
program
development.
A
I,
do
a
friendly,
Amendment
to
the
shop
hole
as
well
that
that
the
discussion
that
we
have
when
we
release
the
contingency
on
the
two
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
also
includes
a
more
General
discussion
of
the
the
mission
of
the
department,
so
that
we
can
all
be
on
the
same
page
as
to
what
is
and
is
not
Mission
creep.
Yep.
Yes,
okay!
Okay.
Does
everyone
understand
the
straw
poll?
Please
indicate
your
your
feelings:
councilor
Wharton.
Did
you
hear
the
shot?
Pull?
Okay,
that's
six!
Yes!
So
that
passes
six
to
zero
to
fun.
O
M
F
A
A
G
Well,
I
I'm,
happy
to
State
I
mean
some
of
the
questions.
I
think
I
would
rather
discuss
offline,
but
I
guess
I
would
like
a
clearer
idea
on
what
the
money
would
be
going
to
exactly
like.
Is
it
programs?
Is
it
acquiring
land?
Is
it
dedicating
staff?
Is
it
matching
funds
and
then,
if
it's
for
a
sanctioned
Campground
that
would
be
in
Salt
Lake
City,
like
our?
G
Are
we
encouraging
by
putting
money
towards
it?
Are
we
encouraging
a
sanctioned
Campground
in
Salt
Lake
City?
If
it's
not
for
Salt
Lake
City
and
it's
it's
a
sanctioned
Campground
that
would
be
outside
the
city
limits,
then?
G
Is
it
the
best
use
of
our
residence
tax
tax
funds
to
pay
money
to
go
out
to
another
city,
and
if
the
state
homelessness
coordinator
is
not
in
support
of
a
sanctioned
Campground,
or
at
least
you
know
has
been
I
would
say:
if
there
is
support,
it's
been
kind
of
tepid.
G
Why
do
we
think
that
this
this
budget
allocation
will
make
the
difference?
Those
are
my
main
questions
that
I
have.
A
Thanks
councilmember
Wharton
do
we
need
a
brief
five-minute
recess
to
I
think
that
there's
a
some
information
that
is
trying
to
be
sorted
out
here.
So
if
we
could
take
a
brief,
five
minute
recess
and
then
we'll
get
back
to
counselor
Wharton's
questions,
do
you
how
much
time
do
we
have?
How
much
longer
do
we
have
you
councilman
Warden,.
A
L
L
L
L
L
A
Council
members
in
Salt
Lake
City,
we
are
back
from
break
thanks
for
allowing
us
to
take
that
quick
break
grab
a
bite
and
we
are
back
to
I
think
that
we
had
some
questions
from
council
member
war
in
and
the
item
that
we're
discussing
right
now
is
a
proposed.
Five
hundred
thousand
dollars
currently
proposed
at
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
funding
to
augment
or
supplement
an
outside
agency
or
group
running
a
sanction.
A
Campsite
and
I
think
that
some
of
the
questions
that
councilmember
Wharton
brought
up
are
things
that
that
that
we
should
we
should
try
and
take
a
stab
at.
M
All
right,
I'm
going
to
attempt
council
member
if
I,
don't
feel
free
to
redirect
me,
okay,
so
in
terms
of
location,
here's
what
this
is.
This
is
not
us
taking
ownership.
The
Administration
has
made
a
very
good,
very
accurate
policy
argument
that
we
do
not
have
a
health
and
human
services
mandate
at
the
county
and
the
state
do
and
that
we
should
not
get
out
of
our
lane
or
impede
anything.
That
would
be
a
full
collaboration
between
those
three
levels
of
government
in
order
to
solve
this
in
an
efficient,
effective
way.
M
After
meeting
with
former
Senator
niederhauser,
he
has
wonderful
plans
and
he's
building
great
consensus,
but
most
of
the
city,
that's
experiencing
the
crisis
from
home.
Unsheltered
crisis
have
been
under
siege
since
operation,
Rio
Grande,
when
we
decentralized
with
300
beds
short
of
what
we
knew
we
needed
at
that
point.
M
That
is
when
this
crisis
started:
covid
exacerbated
it
and
we
have
watched
our
unsheltered
friends
and
Neighbors
get
pushed
into
situations
that
are
increasingly
desperate.
We
have
already
had
now
our
second
incident
of
violence
between
members
of
the
unsheltered
community
this
weekend,
typically
speaking
that
doesn't
happen
until
later.
M
In
the
summer,
when
it's
hotter
and
resources
are
scarce,
my
own
neighbors
are
expressing
more
compassion
fatigue
earlier
in
the
year,
and
it's
because
this
is
a
wound
that
has
not
healed,
because
those
Emergency
Shelters
over
the
winter
have
not
given
us
enough
time
to
breathe
enough
security
and
because
the
threat
of
abatements
hanging
over
the
head
of
people
who
are
experiencing
being
homeless
is
just
a
constant
source
of
stress.
So
what
this
is
meant
to
do
is
to
not
push
us
out
of
our
lane
and
usurp
any
other
level
of
government's
responsibility.
M
By
using
money
like
this,
we
can
incentivize
the
public
private
Partnerships
required
to
activate
churches,
Civic
clubs,
businesses
to
help
be
a
part
of
solving
the
problem.
No
one
will
be
forced
to,
however,
should
a
church,
a
Civic
Club.
Anyone
with
a
little
land
decide
that
hosting
10
tents
on
their
property
is
something
they
can
do.
M
They
can
come
to
the
city
and
say
we
will
be
a
safe
place
for
these
10
people.
Here
is
our
security
plan.
They
don't
have
to
hire
security.
It
can
be
something
as
simple
as
the
people
who
live
on
site
will
take
two
hour
shifts
throughout
the
day
to
make
sure
there
is
a
general
sense
of
safety.
They
need
to
have
something
like
a
constituent
communication
plan
when
something
goes
wrong.
Who
can
the
neighbors
call
what
is
their
recourse
for
getting
help?
They
there
needs
to
be
a
general
safety
plan.
M
I
know
we
all
remember
the
tragedy
of
the
well-intended
unsanctioned
sanctioned
Camp
a
few
years
ago.
How
are
you
going
to
be
sure
that
the
people
living
here
don't
die
of
carbon
monoxide
poisoning
or
any
of
those
other
things
right?
We
can
put
conditions
on
the
money
that
will
then
be
distributed.
We
will
not
be
overseeing
day-to-day
operations,
it
will
be
for
the
private
entity
that
has
signed
on
and
guess
what
we
get
to
decide.
What
they're
signing
on
to
we
can
decide
what
best
practices
are.
M
I
have
identified
a
consultant
who
will
help
us
craft
them,
and
then
the
only
thing
we
have
to
do
is
oversee
the
distribution
of
the
funds,
and
then
the
enforcement
should
something
happen.
If,
if
the
sanitation
plan
isn't
being
been
adhering
to
and
the
neighbors
call
us
and
say,
there's
waste
in
the
street
right
we'll
have
to
do
enforcement
around
those
sorts
of
things
right,
but
that
is
the
extent
to
which
we
should
be
doing
any
sort
of
program
management.
M
What
this
is
meant
to
do
is
take
micro
camps.
This
is
not
a
Panacea.
This
is
to
make
it
better
for
a
few
people.
This
is
to
get
a
couple
people
off
the
street
to
give
them
the
stability
they
need
to
give
the
neighbors
an
increasing
sense
of
stability
about
their
neighborhood
I.
Do
not
favor
any
geographical
restrictions.
I
favor,
wherever
the
Partnerships
occur,
allowing
those
things
to
be
worked
out.
Although
the
geography
will
be
a
consideration,
especially,
you
know,
churches
kind
of
will
be
a
carte
blanche
with
this,
but
you
know
a
business.
M
We
would
have
to
do
some
land
use
kind
of
concept
with
it
I'm
imagining
there
are
things
for
legal,
of
course,
to
come
and
flesh
out,
but
this
is
meant
to
be
catalytic
money
that
helps
create
the
culture
and
helps
us
create
more
immediate
responsiveness.
I
am
so
proud
of
the
money
we've
put
into
long-term,
affordable
housing,
but
there
are
two
crises:
there
is
the
affordable
housing
crisis
which
we
all
know
is
going
to
take
time.
Building
takes
time.
You
know
supply
chain
issues,
all
of
that,
but
we
also
have
the
issue
of
now.
M
We
have
neighbors
both
sheltered
and
unsheltered,
who
are
living
under
undue
stress
because
of
this
crisis,
who
do
not
have
another
two,
three
years
to
wait
for
the
other
levels
of
government
to
get
to
the
point
where
they
can
respond
to
it.
This
is
meant
to
be
a
micro
response,
with
some
relatively
small
City
dollars
to
a
crisis
that
we
have
been
living
with,
since,
whenever
operation
Rio
Grande
happened.
F
A
I
want
to
I.
Councilmember
has
a
comment,
but
before
we
go
there,
I
I
appreciate
councilman
Petro,
the
the
statements
that
you
just
made
I
think
where
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
councilman
Wharton,
but
where
that
is
slightly
different
than
the
questions
that
I
still
have
rolling
around.
In
my
mind,
are
the
specifics
of
what
is
this?
Who
could
apply
for
it
is?
Are
we
only
allowing
it
to
be
for
camps
up
to
10?
Is
that
a
restriction
we're
putting
on
the
money
like
what
are
the
guard
rails
and
the
specifics?
A
Not
the
like,
there's
a
beautiful
job
of
saying
why
this
is
important
but
I
think
it's
the
question
of
like
how
does
this
money
go
out?
What
does
that
match
actually
have
to
look
like?
Are
we
allowing
this
in
Salt
Lake,
City
or
requiring
it
in
Salt,
Lake
City?
Or
can
it
be
any
of
those
things?
So
can
we
get
into
some,
maybe
the
more
actual
nuts
and
bolts
that
will
help
answer
some
of.
N
Our
questions
yeah,
so
let
me
try
to
answer
some
of
the
questions
here
on.
Thank
you,
councilman
Wharton,
for
being
specific
about
those
and,
if
I
miss
any
of
them,
please,
like
I,
was
trying
to
you
know
type
when
you
were
talking
to
make
sure
that
I
addressed
them
location
I
mean
I
again.
I
think
that
this
is
my
hold.
N
We
decide
we
decide
as
a
council.
You
know
these
things,
but
it
was
my
my
goal
that
this
could
happen
in
Salt,
Lake
or
outside
of
Salt
Lake
City
on
a
sanctioned
camping
in
any
parts
of
this
Valley
will
help
ultimately
minimize
the
unsanctioned
campaigns
that
we
see
all
over
the
west
side.
N
I
mean
I
think
there
is
probably
one
Camp
by
my
house
that
has
about
410
events,
there's
just
two
blocks
from
my
house
and
that's
only
one
out
of
probably
15
or
18
in
my
district,
but
so
I.
Don't
think
it
hurts
us
if
the
the
funds
are
going
to
outside
the
city
for
a
sanctioned
camping
site,
I'm,
hoping
that
this
is
a
each
side
is
meant
to
be
temporary
in
in
nature.
N
N
They
started
with
six
months
locations
and
they
are
extending
them
to
a
year
locations
and
I'm,
hoping
that
maybe
this
program
will
replicate
some
of
that,
so
that
we,
the
the
this
this
camps,
tend
to
be,
hopefully
less
than
a
year
long,
hoping
I'm,
hoping
that
the
funds
that
we
are
located,
half
of
them
are
used
for
RVs
and
half
of
them
are
used
for
tents
or
or
any
other
type
of
shelter
to
help
us
in
the
overall
crisis
that
we
see
in
the
streets,
I'm
hoping
that
some
of
the
funds
that
we
are
located
are
also
used
to
pay
for
staff
in
our
city
to
manage
these
funds
and
to
make
sure
the
Administration
has
enough.
N
A
N
But,
oh
yes,
that's
absolute
discussion,
obviously,
but
I'm,
hoping
that
we
tackle
balls
or
trying
to
incentivize
some
of
those
both
of
those
and
also,
as
I
mentioned
that,
hopefully
some
of
this
money
is
also
used
for
staff.
Some.
A
N
A
M
I
think
and
I:
don't
I,
don't
want
this
to
be
a
competitive
Grant
process.
I
think
it
should
be
an
application
process
more
similar
to
what
we
see
in
edlf,
where,
if
you
qualify,
you
can
apply
and
funds
are
available
until
they're,
not
and
as
part
of
the
entire
application
process.
We
should
have
questions
addressing
anything
that
we
would
be
concerned
about
public
funds
being
used
for.
So,
if
you
are
concerned
about
Fidelity
and
tracking
the
money,
then
we
should
know
what
is
your
plan
for
reporting
back
on
how
the
funds
were
expended?
M
If
you're
concerned
about
the
security
of
the
people
who
are
living
there,
then
we
need
to
ask
what
is
your
security
plan?
If
we
are
concerned
about
how
they're
going
to
respond
to
the
neighbors
wherever
they're
stationed,
we
need
a
neighbor
responsiveness
plan,
anything
that
we
want
to
track
and
enforce
around
in
order
to
protect
both
the
unsheltered
and
the
neighbors
to
where
they'll
be
staying
needs
to
be
laid
out
in
the
Grant
application
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
the
funds
have
to
be
matched.
M
It's
really
really
common
practice
when
you're,
a
non-profit
in
particular,
to
report
any
requests
you
have
out
for
money
so
and
it
usually
falls
into
two
categories.
You
fall
into
money
that
you
have
secured
and
asks
that
you
have
out.
So
if
someone
wants
fifty
thousand
dollars-
and
they
have
ten
thousand
dollars
already
committed,
but
they
only
have
thirty
thousand
dollars
in
asks
out.
That's
a
really
risky
investment
for
us.
M
Putting
we
can,
we
can
debate
it.
It's
been
proposed
as
a
match,
I
think
I,
I
love
leveraging,
so
I
love
matches
I,
don't
know
if
it
has
to
be
a
one-to-one
match.
If
it's
a
you
know
a
two
to
one
match,
I,
don't
know
we
those
things
it's
like
how
much
is
the
e-bike
rebate,
I,
don't
know
we
can
figure
this
out.
M
N
I
go
through
my
list
of
requirements,
I
think
I
answer
most
of
the
questions.
If
you,
let
me
finish
that
list:
okay
I.
So
as
the
requirements
for
the
money
I,
you
know
I
the
the
I'm
proposing
we're
proposing
that
the
money
shall
be
leveraged
and
matching
funds.
You
know
to
what
extent
there's
something
that
you
know
is
up
to
debate.
N
I
mean
I,
see
what
the
the
if
it's
my
proposal
is
one
to
one
between
private
or
public
funds
requirements
for
the
money
that
they
abide
by
or
lost
the
no
distribution
of
control
substances
have
a
security
plan.
Have
a
waste
management
plan
have
a
hygiene
plan?
Access
to
clean
water
and
restrooms
must
be
smaller
than
30.
People
must
be
temporary
less
than
one
year
in
a
given
location.
N
That
is
the
frame
that
I
hope
you
know
we
can
go
to.
It
is
not,
and
I
mean
to
be
again
we
just
so.
We
don't
forget
that
this
has
been
it's
a
proven
concept.
We
are
not
Reinventing
the
wheel
here.
We
are
trying
to
replicate
something
that
has
been
done.
Nobody
far
from
us
we're
also
not
trying
to
share
ownership,
we're
not
running
the
program
we're
helping.
N
Some
of
these
smaller
comes
to
to
flourish,
because
the
unsanctioned
camping
is
already
full
blown
in
our
city
and
trying
to
create
some
order
out
of
this.
This
Mass,
so
I
I
hope
that
I
answer
many
of
the
questions.
I,
don't
know
if
I
miss.
N
We
can
decide
I,
don't
know
you
know.
Now
you
remind
me
of
something
that
councilman
Wharton
said:
I
I
feel
like
he
maybe
had
a
different
conversation
with
the
state
coordinator,
a
homelessness
coordinator.
That's
not
the
the.
How
would
I
would
characterize
the
meeting
that
we
had
with
him
Victoria
and
I
had
that
meeting
and
I
councilmember
well
demoros.
N
He
was
in
generally
positive
about
us
doing
this.
He
wasn't.
He
I
plainly
asked
him
if
he
thought
that
we
are
locating.
These
funds
will
hurt
us
with
the
state
or
it
will
mean
that
we
will.
This
is
a
Salt,
Lake
City
problem,
and
he
didn't
think
so.
So
he's
not
he's
this.
He
didn't
indicator
at
any
given
moment
that
this
will
hurt
us
or
or
no
be
in
favor
on.
He
was
sincere
in
my
opinion
about
him
trying
to
come
up
with
a
solution
himself
too.
N
His
camps
are
he's
trying
to
look
for
a
bigger
location
and
a
medium-sized
location,
but
he's
struggling
with
some
of
the
locations
and
the
fun
that
he's
finding.
But
you
know
when
we're
talking
to
people
on
the
ground,
we
find
that
there
are
organizations
that
are
willing
to
to
go
there
and
they
have
the
land
for
smaller.
You
know,
churches
I
can't
remember
well.
N
Tomorrow's
Petro
mentioned
churches
that
are
willing
to
do
this,
but
there's
a
there
is
a
money
problem,
sometimes
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
that
this
sort
of
incentivizes,
though
this
comes
to
happen,.
F
Okay,
council
members,
councilman
Wharton
I,
see
your
hand.
G
Thanks
so.
G
I
remember
when
we
can't
remember
if
it
was
last
year
or
the
year
before
we
offered
up
a
million
dollars
to
contribute
to
convert
something
or
to
any
municipality
that
in
Salt
Lake
County
that
wanted
to
try
that
create
a
convert,
a
motel
or
something
like
that
to
provide
an
additional
incentive
to
help
with
this
problem
and
I
think
that
you
know
it
made
sense
at
the
time
and
because
that
was
federal,
emergency
relief
money
and
we
didn't
really
have
another
place
that
we
could
spend
it
right
away,
but
it
didn't
it
didn't
cause
the
response
that
we
wanted
and
it
you
know.
G
G
I,
don't
want
to
be
this
to
come
across
as
critical,
but
I
a
little
I'm
left
wondering
it.
You
know:
does
this
organization
out
there
exist,
that's
going
to
step
forward
and
say
yeah
for
for
me,
you
know,
500
000
makes
the
difference
and
I'm
going
to
start
something
and
I'm
going
to
leverage
those
dollars
with
my
own
fundraising
and
I'm
gonna.
You
know
this
is
gonna,
be
a
catalyst
to
to
turn
into
something
that
solves
long
term.
I'm
I'm
left
wondering
if
that
entity
out
there
exists
I
mean.
G
Meanwhile,
what
I
can
see
happening
is,
let's
say,
there's
a
business
that
right
now
is
abandoned
or
or
underutilized
or
something,
and
they
come
to
us
and
say
I
would
like
that.
You
know
500
000
and
I'm
gonna,
let
RVs
come
and
and
park
on
the
property,
I'm
gonna,
let
people
come
and
camp
on
the
property
and
I'm
gonna.
G
You
know,
upgrade
my
facilities,
so
there's
like
a
working
bathroom
or
a
set
of
bathrooms
I'm
going
to
make
those
upgrades
I'm
also
going
to
add
you
know
security
devices
to
my
building
so
that
we
can
secure
the
premises
and
and
make
sure
that
that's
safe
and
that's
how
I'm
going
to
spend
the
500,
000
and
I'm
also
going
to
put
500
000
of
my
own
money
into
updating
this
this
property.
G
G
Go
and
I'm
going
to
benefit
from
the
updated
security
I'm
going
to
benefit
from
the
updated
bathrooms,
and
you
know
the
taxpayers
at
Salt,
Lake,
City
paid
half
of
that,
and
now
I
don't
have
any
responsibility
to
these
people
that
I've
allowed
to
use
my
property
and
Camp
here
for
the
amount
of
time
you
know,
I
did
the
bare
minimum
I
got
the
money
and
I
hear
what
councilmember
Petro
is
saying
that,
like
even
that
amount
of
relief
would
make
a
difference
and
I
agree
that
it
would,
but
that
I
think
we
also
have
to
be
honest
with
ourselves
that,
once
that
shuts
down
that's
going
to
create
another
problem,
that
we
don't
have
a
solution
for
yet
and
I,
don't
know
what
we
would
do
at
that
point.
G
Does
that
so
those
are
the
kinds
of
scenarios
that
I
see
playing
out
with
what
you
guys
are
proposing
and
I
to
me.
I,
don't
know
that
that's
a
the
best
use
of
the
taxpayers,
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
B
that
it's
not
going
to
create
a
problem
down
the
line
that
is
worse
or
the
same
as
the
problem
that
we
have
now.
G
But
we
are
five.
You
know
we're
out
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
So
if,
if
I'm,
like
not
Imagining
the
scenario
that
you
that
you're
thinking
of
like
help
help
me
understand
that
that
scenario
is
a
more
likely
is
more
likely
to
become
reality
than
the
one
that
I
just
sketched
out.
N
Again,
I
I,
thank
you
I
I
think
obviously
I
mean.
Maybe
it's
the
sense
of
urgency
I
have
about
this
issue
is
different,
but
I.
It
is
very
important
to
me
and
I.
You
know
it
is
impacting
my
community.
The
most
I
will
argue,
but
many
parts
of
the
city
and
just
just
saying
that
I
think
that
we
must
try
and
I
think
that
to
the
issues
that
you
brought
up,
we
could
potentially
make
some
more
requirements
and
say
the
the
percentage
of
the
upgrades
have
to
be
temporary
right.
N
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
the
time
to
research
this
at
any
length,
but
they
are
all
temporary
they're
all
you
know
they
have
a
great
amount
of
temporary
infrastructure
that
they
put
up
in
all
the
camps
and
they
take
them
out
and
they
move
out
and
and
they
move
them
back
again,
but
in
my
opinion,
I
think
we
have
to
do
something
because,
if
not
it
is
my
community
I,
don't
know
if
it
has
more
to
to
give
on
this
issue,
not
only
for
those
that
are
shelter
but
for
those
on
shelter
and
I
I.
N
To
answer
the
question
about,
if
there
is
this
organization,
if
you
know
there
is
I
mean
I,
you
know
we
have
them
communicating
with
us
in
this
council
meeting
to
come
into
this
to
to
share
thoughts
and
public
meetings.
The
the
UNC
shelter
Utah
have
expressed
interest
on
this
in
public
meeting
here.
The
other
organization
The
Nomad
Alliance,
have
come
to
this
Council
and
share
the
same
thought
to
all
of
us
in
public
telling
us
to
to
help
them
have
sanctioned
camping
in
our
city.
N
So
I
believe
that
there's
other
organizations
out
there
that
they
are
interested
in
in
helping
the
community
find
a
better
solution,
because
what
we
have
right
now
is
not
working
out
and.
M
I'll
capitalize
on
if
tomorrow
the
state
had
the
right
piece
of
property
and
all
the
funding
they
needed.
We
wouldn't
have
the
provider
to
administer
that
it
just
doesn't
exist.
This
is
a
new
model
for
us
this
would
actually
be
essentially
Workforce
Development
for
this
by
instead
of
going
in
like
I
I
have
never
in
my
conceptualization
considered
that
one
entity
would
take
all
half
a
million.
It
is
literally
not
designed
for
that.
It's
designed
for
small
and
and
for
me
small,
is
definitely
less
than
20..
I.
A
I
think
the
question
I
have
is,
to
the
degree
that
we
scrutinize
the
previous
discussion,
the
the
program
funding
for
incentives
for
e-bikes
I
think
there
are
legitimate
policy
questions
that
we
have
that
are
not
yet
answered
that
we,
so
we
put
that
in
a
holding
account
is.
Are
you
proposing
that
this
is
a
similar
thing,
or
do
you
feel,
like
the
questions
are
answered
enough
to
say,
put
this
out
and
then
like.
A
M
K
Yeah
sure
I
just
wanted
to
shed
some
light,
I
think
at
least
three
of
us
are
filling
this
urgency
as
we
hear
from
our
constituents,
but
we
sit
with
our
own
eyes,
what's
happening
on
the
ground
and
we
and
I
know
council,
member,
but
Puig
has
been
talking
about
this
Denver.
This
Denver
example
for
a
long
time,
which
you
know
I,
could
not
wrap
myself
my
head
around
it
until
I
actually
saw
it
and
the
conditions
the
dignified
conditions
where
people
experiencing
homelessness
are
living
in
in
Denver
I.
K
It's
definitely
what
we
should
be
doing,
at
least
the
least
thing
that's
the
least
thing
we
could
be
doing
for
our
shelter
neighbors
because
of
the
situation
that
they're
living
right
now
in
our
streets.
So
there's
a
shift
of
I.
Think
of
thought
at
least
for
me
on
we.
We
do
a
lot
with
the
long
term,
but
we
have
to
do
something
now
as
as
soon
as
possible,
because
we've
been
in
this
council
at
least
I've,
been
here
for
five
years
and
we've
done
a
lot.
K
But
the
day
today,
we
haven't
and
Ali
tried
to
explain
it
to
me
before
and
I
couldn't
understand
by
now,
I
do
and
I
think
what
I
expressed
to
Petro
and
POI,
and
the
mayor
was
that
if
we
did
at
least
some
seed
funding,
even
if
it's
contingent
contingent
to
a
program
to
a
more
developed
program,
at
least
it
shows
that
we
are
looking
seriously
into
another
solution
in
our
toolbox.
Another
tool
which
we
haven't
had
and
we
are
waiting
of
course,.
F
K
The
state
and
they
and
when
neither
house
has
been
doing
like
a
lot
in
great
progress,
but
what,
if
you
know
it,
takes
longer
than
what
we
were
hoping
for?
What?
If
this
day-to-day
solution
or
more
immediate
solution
takes
another
five
years?
Are
we
policy
makers
willing
to
wait
another
five
years
to
help
people?
K
You
know
get
out
of
the
living
situation
that
they're
in
right
now
so
I
think
that's
what
at
least
I'm
getting
to
it's
like.
Can
we
put
some
money
seed
money
into
this
hope
and
wish,
and
you
know
and
being
proactive
about?
Okay,
if
somebody
cannot
get
it
done,
can
we
get
it
done
sooner
than
another
four
years
so
yeah?
It
needs
a
lot
of
fleshing
out
because
I
don't
want
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
K
To
be
honest
with
you,
I
know,
Denver
has
a
different
situation
in
the
in
the
sense
of
how
the
government
works
in
their
County
city,
I
mean
they
have
a
whole
thing
that
it
works
out
for
them,
but
I
feel
like
we
can
learn
and
we
can
take
some
of
those
ideas
whatever
that
is
we
need
to.
We
need
to
look
into
it
more
deeper
and
then
there
are
other
examples.
That
way.
K
Neither
house
has
told
us
about
I
don't
want
to
reinvent
the
will,
but
I
want
like
faster
solutions
for
people
that
are
experiencing
complexes
right
now
in
the
streets
of
Salt
Lake
City,
where
we
can
all
see
the
horrible
situation
that
they're
in
I've
been
cleaning
streets
and
people
are
living
with
rodents
and
roaches
with
a
lot
of
trash
around
them
and
I.
Don't
think.
That's
very
Humane,
in
my
opinion,
going
into
a
camp
sanction
that
that
is
definitely
more
Humane
that
what
we
see
right
now.
So,
okay,.
N
Sure,
just
to
share
some
of
the
successes
that
I
learned
from
the
Denver
program
more,
the
majority
of
the
of
the
of
those
that
live
in
the
in
the
in
the
camps
end
up
moving
along
there.
They
have
the
sense
of
safety
has
helped
them
move
along
in
a
great
majority,
they're
able
to
find
jobs
and
get
their
lives
in
in
the
right
path.
It
is
a
big
deal,
they
have
they're
very
happy
about.
N
You
know
the
successes,
even
communities
that
they
were
worried
about
having
sanctioned
camping,
and
you
know,
I'm
in
close
contact
with
one
of
the
council
members
in
Denver.
Quite
often,
he
told
me
throughout
the
process
how
hard
it
was
to
get
it
going,
and
he
got
literally
thousands
of
emails
still
telling
him
not
to
do
this
and
most
of
the
when
the
camp
moved
away
from
this
neighborhood.
Many
of
the
neighbors
that
email
him
first
to
tell
him
not
to
do
it
are
emailing
him.
N
Can
you
have
them
back
to
you
know
in
our
in
our
part
of
town,
so
I
I
know
that
this
is
a
It's
A
New
Concept
for
us,
but
we
we
have
a
duty
to
try.
I
I
feel
like
that's
my
place
now.
I
want
to
be
cognitive,
councilman,
rewardance
time.
Do
your
to
your
queen
to
your
question
very
quickly:
I'm,
okay,
putting
this
money
on
a
holding
account
I
feel
like
that
is
there's
a
lot
of
questions
to
be
answered:
I'm,
okay,
to
find
any
common
ground.
A
G
I
I
understand
the
urgency
and
then
the
media
see
and
the
fatigue
I
mean.
There's
a
there's.
Also
a
camp
two
blocks
from
my
house:
it's
one
of
the
biggest
most
established
camps
and
I
see
people
walking
to
it.
Every
night
when
I
come
home,
I
see
people
walking
from
it
every
morning
when
I
leave,
I
I
understand
that
and
my
the
residence
that
I
have
around
my
house
fill
that
emergency
too.
G
My
question
is,
is
if,
if
this
was,
you
know
10,
if
we're
willing
to
to
say
that
you
know
10
people
for
a
year
or
two
years
would
be
a
success.
Why
don't
we
just
rent
10
apartments
and
give
those
to
10
families
that
are
either
in
shelter
or
that
are
camping
and
you
and
use
an
existing
program
that
would
you
know,
go
and
provide
and
or
require
them
to
do
day,
services
or
something
in
addition
to
that
like
does
that?
G
Why
is?
Is
this
the
best
use
of
the
500,
000
and
and
again,
like
I,
wanted
like
I,
want
this
to
I
want
the
answer
to
be
here
is
why
here's
the
organization
that's
going
to
do
it
or
here's
several
organizations
that
are
going
to
do
it
and
are
capable
of
doing
it?
I
mean
I,
understand,
Nomad
Alliance
is
willing
to
say
they're
going
to
be
there
and
and
provide
the
support
that
they
provide,
but
but
they
don't
provide
security.
They
don't
provide
mental
health
services,
at
least
in
a
license
capacity.
G
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
it's
more
of
a
community
based
service
than
a
professional
service,
and
and
where
are
some
potential
landowners
that
are
that
are
interested
where
this
would
make
the
difference
and
I
understand.
It
might
be
hard
to
name
that
in
a
public
meeting,
because
maybe
you
know
they
don't
want
and
that's
why
I
suggested.
Having
the
conversation
offline
but
I
I,
don't
know
how
to
better
explain
that
that
I
hear
everything
that
you're
saying
I,
don't
disagree
with
anything
that
you're
saying
but
I
don't
for
me.
G
There
are
still
just
all
of
these
questions
that
haven't
been
answered
because
I,
don't
I
I,
don't
see,
I,
don't
get
the
vision,
that's
I
think
the
biggest
part
is
I.
You
you.
It
feels
like
councilmember,
petro
and
council
member
boy
that
you
have
a
vision
in
your
mind
that
that
I
just
can't
see
and
that's
what
I
need
to
see
is
like
how
to
where
I
think
council
member
mono
was
getting
to
this
too,
like
when
the
checks
go
out.
Who
are
they
going
to?
What
are
we
getting
in
return
for
the
checks?
G
How
much
are
we
getting
and
who
are
these
people
that
are
going
to
come
forward?
I
want
to
believe
that
they're
out
there
too,
but
I
just
don't.
My
experience
tells
me
when
we've
tried
to
offer
up
money
to
this
before
and
say
we're
willing
to
give
up
a
lot
of
our
taxpayers
money
and
not
insignificant
amount.
D
Think
I
appreciate
that
the
comments
there
from
from
all
parties
here
and
I
appreciate
the
discussion
on
the
the
vision
and
the
ideas
here
and
I
I
I
have
the
same.
Similar
concerns,
councilman
Wharton
on
that
you
that
you
just
mentioned
but
I
think
part
of
this
contingency
and
part
of
that.
Just
future
emotion.
Movement
will
have
to
answer
those
questions
before
we
do
a
lot
the
money.
D
So
we
talked
about
security,
cleanup,
Staffing,
matching
levels,
hygiene,
zoning
locations,
all
that
stuff
who's
going
to
run
it
where's
the
checks
going
to
go
out.
I
think
that
all
has
to
be
baked
in
to
the
to
the
problem
or
into
the
the
policy
and
the
solution.
But
we
need
to
I
think
the
funding
we
need
to
appropriate
the
funding
so
that
we
can
do
that
portion
of
it.
D
So
then
we
can
allocate
the
funding
after
that,
so
I'm
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
the
contingency,
so
that
we
can
answer
all
these
questions
and
have
this
solution
baked
as
much
as
we
can
so
that
we
can
immediately
take
action
time.
Hearing
a
compromise.
A
Okay,
so
I
just
want
to
say
I
hear
you
I
understand
the
urgency
and
I
I
think
this
is
something
I
didn't
go
to
Denver
and
see
it
with
my
own
eyes,
like
some
of
you
did
so
I,
don't
know
exactly
what
that
model
looks
like
or
I've
seen,
pictures
I,
I
didn't
experience
it
myself,
but
I
do
see
enough
of
the
vision
that
I'm
willing
to
put
that
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
set
aside
out
of
our
budget
hold
on
to
it
say
we're
not
going
to
use
this
for
anything
else.
A
Here's
this
money,
but
I
do
want
a
little
bit
more
discussion.
So
I
will
straw
poll
that
we
put
the
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
sanction,
camping
and
or
sanctioned
RV
parking
into
a
holding
account
pending
further
discussion
between
us
and
with
the
administration
before
and
a
road
require
a
future
Council
vote
to
release.
It
is.
G
Long,
it's
like
I.
Also,
no,
it's
not
it's
not.
If
you
were
saying
we
could
build
what
they
have
in
Denver
for
500
000
I'd
be
like
let's
do
it,
but
that's
we're
we're
talking
about
something
in
between
Denver
and
and
nothing
right.
We're
talking
about
something
that
leads
to
someday
the
Denver
thing
and
that's
I:
don't
need
to
be
sold
on
Denver
I,
get
it
I
I,
that's
not
where
my
questions
are
coming
from,
or
maybe
we
just
I,
don't
think
a
trip
to
Denver
would
be
helpful
for
me.
G
M
So
can
we
also
acknowledge
that
our
homelessness
people
who
provide
services
to
our
unsheltered
neighbors
are
doing
so
on
shoestring
budgets
and
having
to
hunt
for
the
people
that
they
serve
on
a
regular
basis,
which
is
an
expenditure
of
time,
energy
and
resources
that
is
exponential?
We
actually
could
be
supplementing
what
they're
already
doing
and
not
having
to
replicate
entire
budgets.
We
could
have
several
throughout
the
city
of
10
and
take
50
100
people
off
the
street,
potentially
with
this
money.
The
point
is,
we
are
not
subject
matter
experts
but
the
subject
matter.
M
Experts
have
asked
for
this
in
our
community
and
we
need
to
do
what
we
do,
which
is
lead
out
and
advocate
for
a
strategic
process,
progress
in
a
way
that
hasn't
happened
to
protect
all
of
our
constituents.
Thank
you
all
for
voting
for
The,
contingents
or
straw
polling
for
the
contingency
I.
Do
think
that
we
can
make
something
good
here
and.
A
I'll
say
I
want
I
want
us
to
this.
To
me,
though,
both
crises
are
imminent
and
critical.
This
feels,
like
time,
is
more
of
the
essence
than
even
the
past
thing.
We're
talking
about.
So
that's
on
I
guess
the
those
of
us
that
are
that
still
have
questions
just
to
really
dig
into
the
questions
and
try
and
get
answers,
and
those
of
those
of
us
that
feel
that
their
questions
are
answered
to
help
us
the
rest
of
us
get
there
as
quickly
as
possible.
So
we
we
need
to
have
conversations
with
each
other
and.
K
With
the
community
about
this,
yes,
that
we
can
designate
some
research
and
some
fleshing
out
of
maybe
a
couple
of
models,
not
just
the
Denver
but
I
think
when
NATO
also
mentioned
one-
and
you
may
know
in
our
in
Reno,
maybe
there's
an
I
can
remember
the
names,
but
one
of
our
analysts
gives
us
some
information
on
what
they
do
and
how
they
do
it
in
terms
of
the
council,
like
the
you
know,
the
the
the
funding
all
of
the
things
that
they
do
and
things
that
apply
to
us
and
the
things
that
it
doesn't
so
that
we
completely
understand
how
those
models
work
and
how
we
can
adapt
to
what
we
can
do
that
way
to
me,
it
will
be
clear
to
understand
how
much
how
they
do
it.
A
Yes
and
I'm
comfortable,
saying
that
we
can
put
some
in
the
near
future,
put
some
Council
agenda
time,
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
have
the
staff
capacity
to
prepare
that
presentation.
So
it
may
be
a
collaboration
or
maybe
an
outside
agency
that
can
come,
give
us
the
original.
Maybe
that
presentation
exists
somewhere
I.
I
Don't
I
think
that
sorry
I
have
to
log
off
sorry.
I
A
K
A
M
K
A
Right
I
appreciate
that
conversation
that
was
bumpy
at
times,
but
I
feel
like.
We
are
in
agreement
that
this
is
a
something
that
needs
to
be
explored.
More
I
have
no
idea
what
we
have
not
yet
gotten.
I
Yep,
absolutely
so
I
think
that
the
last
sort
of,
if
I'm
thinking
of
like
boxes,
we
have
to
check
before
you
guys
are
ready
to
adopt
tomorrow.
You
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
some
of
the
ideas
that
are
on
this
list.
This
unresolved
issues
tracking
list,
but
you
haven't
actually
straw
polled
okay,.
B
I
Definitely
fund
this
and
staff
sent
around
a
scenario
that
funded
all
of
the
things
that
the
council
requested
adding,
and
we
were
fortunate
that,
like
I
mentioned
earlier
in
the
meeting
we
had
additional,
we
had
additional
judgment,
Levy
Revenue
we
had
additional
property
tax,
New
Growth
revenue
and
we
had
additional
revenue
from
recaptured
CIP
projects
to
allocate
towards
some
of
these
items.
You
also
strop
hold
last
meeting
that
you
were
comfortable
going
to
13
fun
balance
level,
but
preferred
not
to
go
below
it.
I
A
I
I
heard
from
Council
Members
is
and
and
we've
requested
from
the
attorney's
office,
and
we
sent
around
a
draft
of
a
resolution
that
commits
or
that
establishes
that
the
city's
policy
goal
is
to
be
the
lead
of
market,
and
so
we
sent
around
that
draft.
We've
received
feedback
from
some
council
members.
If
other
council
members
could
let
us
know
by
tonight,
if
that
draft
is
okay,
let
me
read
it
real,
quick,
yeah,
I'll,
pull
it
up.
Sorry,
just
let
me
find
it
here.
A
But
I'm
understanding
that
we
don't
want
to
get
in
between
the
union
negotiation
process,
that's
an
important
process,
but
that
we
want
to
make
the
council
policy
that
we
will
be
top
of
market
for
and
it
it's
both
police
and
fire
and
we'll
clarify
what
type
of
Market
means
and
well
I
I.
Think
we
ask
the
union
negotiation
team
on
both
sides
to
help
us
get
to
a
point
in
the
next
mou
openings
to
figure
out
a
process
that
keeps
us
at
top
of
Market
whatever.
That
means,
however,
that
is
amenable
to
all
sides.
F
F
I
F
A
And
can
we
go
down
just
a
little
more
to
the
rent
end
of
the
therefore
be
resolves
firefighters
paid
wages
commensurate
with
or
close
to,
the
top
of
Market
wages
paid
by
public
entities
for
such
occupations,
especially
among
the
state's
largest
Public
Safety
agencies.
This
resolution
shall
be
effective
immediately
upon
passage
council
members.
Are
you
comfortable
with
that
language?
Anyone
have
requested
changes
to
that
language.
M
M
A
Yes,
this
is,
does
not
us,
we
have
large
departments,
so
this
is
not
a
small
dollar
amount,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
commit
to
well
I
feel
I'm
comfortable
with
this
resolution,
because
I
feel,
like
it's
important.
I,
also
feel
like
it's
important
that
we
let
the
union
negotiation
process
as
outlined
in
in
status.
M
E
A
Yeah
and
I
believe
in
collective
bargaining
I
believe
that
this
that
we
should
let
that
process
okay,
so
none
of
those
will
be
included
in
this
year's
budget,
but
that
resolution
will
be
passed
with
the
budget
in
order
to
indicate
our
support
in
general.
Right.
Where
did
we
get
with
prosecutors
and
legal
defenders
are.
I
A
I
Is
I'm
gonna
I'm
trying
to
share
my
screen.
I
I
This
is
from
this
is
not
scenario
because
you
haven't
strap
hold
any
of
those.
So
I
will
only
add
things
on
the
screen,
as
you
guys
include
it,
but
you
can
reference
what
I've
printed
out
in
scenario,
one
as
a
a
guide
post.
If
you
want.
D
So
Mr
chair
just
just
clarify
Jennifer
on
scenario,
one
that
puts
us
at
what
percent
fund
balance
so.
I
F
F
D
I
You
will
we
will
make
that
adjustment
sort
of
once
you
make
all
your
straw
polls
on
the
expense
side.
A
I
That
is,
after
a
council
member
asked
about
what
would
the
dollar
amount
be
to
increase
wages
for
seasonal
workers
in
public
lands?
The
seasonal
workers
did
get
an
increase
in
the
last
fiscal
year,
but
they
did
not
receive
the
five
percent
cost
of
living
adjustment.
Most
seasonal
are
separate
from
the
salary
discussions,
but
with
the
conversation
about
retention
and
attracting
employees
to
that
department,
I'd.
A
D
M
D
I
D
Tracked
data
in
the
past-
and
we
could
ask
for
that
again
and
the
reason
why
we
couldn't
really
track
it
against
anything
before
was
because
we
didn't
have
a
project
before
that
had
anything
they
had
some
High
programs,
but
there
wasn't
a
really
good
tracking.
This
would
actually
tell
us
how
many
more
rides
and
hits
by
these
impasses.
I
M
A
Balance:
okay,
councilman;
okay,
that's
five
to
zero;
yes,
train
crossing
safety
signs.
I
N
I
Yeah
yeah
I,
think
I
mean
it
funding.
Our
future
has
Public
Safety
as
a
category
and
infrastructure
as
a
category.
So
obviously
you
know
there's
overlap
in
those
items
and
I
think
you
could
make
the
argument
that
it
fits
in
probably
either
of
those
categories.
I
We
haven't
funded
traffic
calming
out
of
funding
our
future
in
the
past,
but
I,
don't
I
mean
I.
Think
that
as
we
as
that
funding
source
has
evolved,
it's
not
that
we're
unwilling
to
expand
the
definitions,
it's
that
we
have
to
just
commit
to
being
transparent
with
the
public
about.
You
know:
here's
what
we've
added
this
year
and
here's
the
additional
things
that
those
dollars
are
doing.
Why.
I
Because
right
now
there
is
not
a
net
of
Revenue.
So
there's
no
item
this.
This
number
is
what
you
would
spend
out
of
funding
our
future
fund
balance.
So
right
now
that
you're
spending
Zero
from
funding
our
future
fund
balance
and
if
we
stopped
right
here,
I
would
put
in
264
000
being
spent
from
funding
our
future
fund
balance.
I
I
I
M
J
J
N
With
you,
let
me
ask
the
follow-up
question
on
this
I.
Remember,
maybe
I
missed
this
conversation,
but
we
were
going
to
get
an
idea
of
how
much
how
far
a
hundred
thousand
will
go.
I
Yes,
in
the
unresolved
issues
staff
report
Transportation
gave
a
pretty
detailed
sorry,
so
many
windows.
I
Page,
it
was
actually
one
of
the
items
that
was
in
your
last
version
of
unresolved
issues.
Oh,
it's
not
blue!
I
A
I
Call
text
and
this
one
would
be
transferred
to
IMS
to
manage
one
thing
that
the
administration
clarified
with
us
after
the
last
discussion.
Is
that
there's
a
step
that
needs
to
happen
before
we
could
implement
this,
even
with
the
funding
that
we
have
to
switch
first,
a
term
to
the
cloud
and
I
I
understand
this
much
of
it,
but
that
step
needs
to
happen
before
this
could
be
implemented,
but
they're
very
excited
about
the
possibility.
Yeah.
N
And
the
the
chief
mentioned
that
their
hope
that
is
happening
by
the
end
of
the
year
because
they
want
to
it-
will
be
useful
to
have
these
funds
allocated,
so
they
can
Implement
everything.
Okay,.
A
I
K
To
so
yeah,
so
sometimes
I
feel
like
Economic
Development.
Does
such
a
good
job
helping
you
know
the
strong,
the
stronger
or
bigger
non-profit
that
do
a
massive
amount
of
work,
and
they
do
it
very
well.
So
I'm
always
happy
to
support
that,
but
I
thought
maybe
adding
this
additional
fund
to
help
those
that
are
starting
up
or
that
are
halfway
there,
but
not
as
strong
as
this
one's
could
be
a
good
use
of
our
money
to
help.
I
Advantage
of
this
so
I
just
pulled
up
their
response
there.
They
said
they
provided
a
number
of
things
that
they
already
do
with
some
of
the
smaller
non-profits.
I
They
would
welcome
an
opportunity
to
provide
small
grants
to
diverse
and
ethnic
nonprofits
that
are
supporting
small
businesses.
They
don't
currently
have
a
grants
program
that
provides
support
to
these
entities
because,
because
of
the
funding,
these
organizations
are
a
very
important
part
of
our
community
and
so
to
provide
small
grants,
so
they
can
inform
diverse
ethnic
businesses
about
how
to
work
with
this
city
would
be
a
great
way
to
reach
all
residents
and
business
owners,
so
it
seems
like
they're
generally
supportive
or.
D
K
A
Okay,
so
I'm
I'm,
a
yes
on
that
Dugan
yeah!
Yes,.
I
A
I
That
is
an
option.
I
do
want
to
flag
that
there's
a
related
item
farther
down
that.
I
I
So
if
you
wanted
to
increase
both
the
Blackwater
tank
voucher
program
and
that
line
item
and
consider
that
line
item,
it
could
be
considered
in
both,
but
we
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
there
is
ten
thousand
dollars
from
the
current
fiscal
year,
that's
available
to
recapture,
so
you
witness
it's
basically
like
you
wouldn't
have
to
find
new
money
for
that.
We
would
just
put
a
line
item
in
the
budget,
basically
recapturing
that
money
makes
sense.
G
I
The
repair
pilot
program
was
actually
funded
in
fiscal
year
22..
We
did
some
work,
but
haven't
had
the
time
to
confirm
that
that
program
is
truly
included
in
the
ongoing
operating
budget
without
giving
up
something
else.
And
so
that's
why
we
listed
it
as
a
separate
item
and
that's
new
from
last
week
and.
N
I
N
Would
like
to
have
this
discussion
when
we
have
a
discussion
of
the
the
the
RB,
the
RB
enforcement
you.
N
Because
I
feel
like
those
three,
the
RB,
the
T,
the
RB
enforcement
compliant
and
obviously
the
the
black
water.
All
of
those
threes
I
feel
very
strongly
about,
but
I
felt
like
if
we
have
a
discussion
that
talks
about
all
of
this
and
what
that
team
will
do.
It
makes
a
lot
more
sense
and.
J
I
Can
I
mean
we
don't
have
to
go
in
order
if
you
wanted
to
straw,
pull
those
items.
A
N
This
yeah
I
would
like
to
propose
a
a
strong
vote
for
those
for
the
line,
50,
61
and
62
to
fund
it
to
the
amounts
indicated
in
the
sheet,
including
the
recapture
of
the
ten
thousand
dollars
and.
N
I
I
And
then
I
I
wanna,
let's
see
59
sorry,
my
lines
are
off
so
I
wonder
if
I.
F
F
I
58
yeah,
so
line
58
I
would
say
is
also
another
placeholder,
because
if
you
find
yourself
with
extra
money
like
if
that
green
number,
if
that
green
figure
has
you
know
forty
thousand
dollars
in
it
or
two
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars
in
it,
you
can
either
let
that
money
drop
to
fund
balance
or
you
could
allocate
it
to
CIP
to
increase
the
pot
beyond
what
these
projects
need.
So.
I
So,
and
in
fact
it's
not
1.9
million
is
probably
the
more
accurate
figure
because
of
impact
fees.
A
1.9
million
so-
and
that
includes
this
43
000
of
like
identified
443
000.,
I,
I'm
comfortable,
adding
money
to
CIP,
given
that
it
looks
like
we
have
money
in
that
I
don't
want
to
commit
to
any
of
these
specific
programs
today.
Personally,.
I
I
think
that
council
member
Wharton
was
intending
to
advocate
for
I.
D
A
And
I
understand
that
I
and
I
I've
already
outvoted
but
I'm,
okay,
putting
the
money
into
CIP
I'm,
not
okay,
committing
to
these
specific
projects.
Yet
because
I
want
the
time
to
a
have
the
district,
7
council
member
seated
and
have
the
discussion
with
in
context
of
the
rest
of
the
CRP.
So
I'm
not
I'm,
not
yet
comfortable,
saying
these
five
programs
are
going
to
get
through
no
matter
what
in
a
couple
months,
but
I
am
comfortable
putting
the
additional
money
so
that
we
have
that
flexibility
to
do
so.
D
I
I
A
I
If
I
add
these,
the
amount
is
a
little
different
because
of
the
Rose
Park
Lane
beautification,
maybe
council,
member
Petro.
Could
you
clarify
because
last
week
you
talked
about
changing
it,
to
just
the
solar
feedback
signs
and
adding
D2,
and
so,
if
I
added
up
that
amount,
which
is
60
000,
the
enzyme,
nature
Peak,
the
Richmond,
Park
playground
and
the
other
items
are
funding
our
future.
So
it
would
be
588
000
added
to
general
fund
and.
I
Oh,
that
was
balancing
that's
a
balancing
number
from
that
from
that
specific
scenario.
So
that's
not
that's
not
a
that's,
not
a
number
in
a
sense
that
would
cover
all
of
those
projects.
Okay,
so
so
that
was
a
number
in
addition
to
funding
all
those
CIP
projects.
Okay,.
A
I
Like
this,
one
has
changed
a
little
bit:
I
think
that
we
have
morphed
it
into
a
legislative
intent
asking
to
and
we'll
go
over
legislative
intents
after
we
go
through
this
list,
asking
the
administration
to
review,
putting
violation
fees
into
the
Consolidated
fee
schedule.
So.
A
Construction
mitigation,
funding
and
economic
development,
and
just
to
be
clear
for
myself
and
the
public.
This
is
not
the
not
signs
those
are
funded
in
in
the
project
budgets
themselves.
This
is
actual
grants
that
businesses
can
qualify
for
if
they,
if
they
show
that
they
have
a
construction,
related
loss
or
will
impact.
A
A
A
F
I
I
A
H
And
this
doesn't
have
the
FTE
with
it
right
and
it's
possible
that
if
you,
if
you
added
the
FTE,
it
would
help
in
others
to.
A
So
my
question
is,
then
I
I
think
I
know
the
answer,
but
for
the
record,
can
we
clarify
why
The
Granary
is
more
urgent
than
the
rest
of
them.
I
A
M
Well,
I
think
I.
Think
council,
member
mono's
question
is
fair,
like
we're
doing
this
one
because
yes,
Granary
is
there,
but
we
are
willfully
unprepared
to
continue
to
move
forward
with
efficiency,
and
this
is
a
good
development
strategy
historically
for
other
cities
that
we
should
be
able
to
take
full
advantage
of
I
just
hate
the
idea,
whether
it
be
now
or
in
a
future
budget
amendment
of
putting
an
ongoing
FTE
out
of
general
fund
money.
So
that's
why
I
was
looking
and
wondering
if
the.
I
N
A
I
I
I'm,
okay,
with
this
I'm,
okay,
supporting
this
and
for
The,
Granary
and
I.
Just
want
it
to
be
clear
that
it's
not
because
we
don't
like
the
other
business
districts
or
anything
like
that.
It's
just
that
this
organization
has
their
their
all
their
stuff
lined
up
and
are
ready
to
go.
But
I
also
do
want
further
discussion
about
the
general
of
essays
in
our
community
in
our
city,
because
we
no
longer
just
have
one
business
district.
We
have
several
well.
I
And
I
think
that
it
would
be
important
to
engage
with
the
administration
about
because
there
are
two
different
kinds
of
saas:
that,
in
my
mind,
Promotional.
A
I
In
my
mind,
speak
to
where
should
that
FTE
be
located
in
our
organization
right
like
if,
if
they
are
saas
that
are
truly
infrastructure
based
that
are
installing
improvements
in
the
business
district
or
if
it's
trash
maintenance
to
me
that
feel
well
and
I,
don't
know
it
might
make
sense
to
locate
it
in
economic
development.
But
in
my
mind,
the
saas
that
we
have
for
downtown
and
the
one
that's
being
discussed
for
Sugarhouse
are
much
more
business,
focused
business,
promotional,
focused,
SAA
and
so
and
both
are
valid,
and
you
know
and
need
City
help.
F
A
So
I
guess
it
sounds
like
we
do
this,
as
proposed
the
sixty
thousand
dollars
for
this
one
specifically,
and
just
give
the
in
the
message
to
other
business
districts
that
the
door's
not
closed
for
them,
but
that
we
need
a
little
more
work.
M
F
A
The
60
000
that's
proposed
on
the
tracking
sheet.
That's
five:
zero.
I
Yes,
the
next
few
items
we
have
already
strop
hold
so
the.
E
I
For
the
lifestyle
spending
account
come,
the
funding
could
come
from
insurance
and
risk
management.
I
think
there
was
a
sense
that
the
council
might
need
to
reconsider
funding
that
program
if
dollars
were
not
available,
so
I
guess
a
straw
poll
now
could
be.
Do
you
want
that
program,
or
do
you
want
to
cut
it?
I
I
I
Then,
okay.
I
Okay
line
72
yeah,
we
received
some
information
that
the
amount
included
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
wasn't
quite
sufficient
to
run
the
municipal
election
in
the
coming
year.
We
probably
won't
have
the
exact
amount
the
Congressional
vacancy
election
is
affecting
some
of
that.
So
essentially
we
we
put
in
a
placeholder
to
evaluate
what
the
true
cost
of
running
the
election
is.
Obviously
it's
not
really
a
discretionary
item.
A
N
I
ask
a
question
related
to
the
elections
in
last
year:
the
year
before
last,
the
administration
or
elections,
the
recorder
run
some
information
documents
to
help
people
learn
about
brain
Choice
voting
and
how
that
works.
Are
we
doing
the
same
thing?
Are
we
not
doing
the
same
thing.
I
A
A
I
A
A
K
A
K
M
K
Everybody,
you
know,
beware
that
that
may
happen
next
year.
This
Council
may
not
want
to.
You
know,
increase
taxes,
so
we
might
have
to
go
somewhere
else
so
or
or
we
might,
who
knows.
Maybe
it
will
be
okay,
but
as
council
members
we
always
have
that
worry
when
we
say
yes
to
things,
especially
the
ones
that
are
ongoing,
because
we
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
get
that
money
next
year.
K
I
Great,
so
those
are
that's
the
all
the
items
but
you'll
see
that
there's
a
net
of
521
000
in
the
general
fund
and
a
negative
of
1.1
million
in
the
funding
our
future.
So
the
options
with
the
general
fund
dollars
are
either
reducing
the
amount
of
fund
balance
that
you're
using
to
balance
the
budget.
So
it
would
basically
be
increasing
your
fund
balance
and.
D
I
I
This
is
what
you
would
have
to
spend
from
funding
our
future
to
balance,
and
so
it
would
take
your
funding
our
future
Revenue
down
by
that
amount.
But.
A
I
That
would
just
add
to
your
fund
balance,
so
that
would
take
you
to
that.
Could
take
you
to
13
and
a
half
percent
I'd
have
to
calculate
how.
A
Okay,
that's
all
I
need
so
there's
two
items
for
additional
potential:
additional
funding,
one
being
just
the
CIP
in
general
and
the
other
being
quick
traffic,
quick
action,
traffic
coming
from
40.,
so
between
funding
our
future
and
general
fund.
We're
we've
currently
added
one
point.
I
J
J
I
F
I
We
miss
legislative
intents
and.
I
I
We're
not
done
not
accidentally
messing,
we're
not
done
yet
so
there's
nine
legislative
intents
and
a
few
conditional
Appropriations.
If
that
gives
you.
B
J
I
Can
follow
along
in
the
staff
report?
I
think
it's
on
page
two
or
three,
where
the
legislative
intents
starts,
the
the
ones
that
started
on
page
10
of
the
staff
report
are
outdated.
Now
got.
F
D
L
A
A
A
For
me,
let's
go
through
them:
okay,
the
first
one
is
about
building
security.
Is
then
the
council
that
the
administration
prioritize
hiring
the
new
Safety
and
Security
manager,
ft
proposed
for
the
public
services
department
and
returned
to
the
council
by
the
end
of
2023,
with
recommendations
for
how
the
building
security
funds
could
be
used?
This
is
the
end
of
calendar
year
2023
or
the
end
of
it
can't
be
fiscal
year
right
right.
M
F
F
A
A
Okay,
I'm
not
going
to
drop
a
lot
of
these,
but
if
anyone
feels
like
they
want
something
changed
then
speak
up.
Please
options
for
a
city-wide
rezoning.
Zoning
reevaluation
is
the
attended
Council
that
the
administration
prayer
work
plan
that
outlines
options
for
potential
city-wide
rezoning,
city-wide
zoning
improvements.
M
A
A
Legal
defenders
Senate
council,
to
request
the
administration
shift
funding
from
legal
defenders
contract
to
funding
our
future
under
the
policy
umbrella
of
Public
Safety,
with
the
rationale
that
these
attorneys
are
integral
piece
of
the
criminal
justicement,
often
connect
clients
to
resources
and
services
to
help
them
recover
from
addiction
or
otherwise
help
them
get
back
on
their
feet.
Discuss
County
whether
it
be
more
efficient
for
the
county
to
manage
the
full
contract
of
the
city,
contributing
funds
towards
it.
A
Pay
parity
among
attorneys.
It
is
the
intended
Council,
the
administrator,
evaluate
pay
parity
among
the
attorney's
offices,
Salt
Lake,
legal
defenders,
the
city
prosecutors
and
the
County
Prosecutors,
because
this
may
be
longer
term
issue
that
council
could
ask
of
the
human
resources
where
I
conduct
a
more
thorough
evaluation
on
this
topic
and
recommend
strategy
pay
parity
over
a
longer
term.
N
I
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
there's
Clarity
here
that
a
parody
between
you
know
much
like
council
member,
wouldn't
put
it
all
the
attorneys
that
are
in
the
same
courtroom.
A
N
A
first
goal,
and
then,
as
a
second
goal
and
a
separate
parity
between
agencies,
you
know
so
County
versus
the
city.
A
A
N
Harry
to
be
doing
the
agencies,
you
know,
there's
a
con,
you
know
County
on
City,
County,
state
and
city.
F
A
A
J
D
A
D
D
F
M
It's
listed
out
really
well
in
our
packet
right
now,
but,
like
I,
think
that's
before
we
can
even
talk
about
metrics
for
success.
I
still
can't
tell
you
what
the
difference
between
some
of
these
things
are.
A
A
A
B
F
A
So
how
do
we
work
that
into
the
language
councilmember
Petro,
okay,
including
Clarity,
on
dispatch
and
whether
or
if
the
public
is
intended
to
contact
any
teams
directly,
comma
How
resources
are
deployed,
comma
and
clear
and
clarify
roles
of
each
team,
blah
blah
blah
does
that
is
that
a
sentence.
M
M
A
Okay,
number
eight
Department
role,
Clarity
and
ordinance.
It
is
the
intent
of
the
council
to
ask
the
attorney's
office
to
propose
updates
to
the
city's
code
that
Define
and
discuss
that
defines
and
discusses
the
respective
roles
of
City
departments.
Distribution
include,
but
not
be
limited
to
the
sustainability
and
economic
development
and
public
lands
departments
per
Council
discussion.
Sustainability
is
the
priority.
H
A
little
bit
less
definition
than
some
of
the
others,
but
it's
not
I
mean
okay,
there's!
No!
You
don't
have
to
have
that
in
there.
The
other
thing
is
that
the
city
attorney's
office
can
do
the
ordinance
and
they
may
have
some
suggestions,
but
there's
a
lot
of
policy
for
the
council
and
the
mayor's
Administration
to
discuss
to.
N
A
Impact
of
the
addition
of
parking
lot,
addition
of
parking
lot
impervious
surface
to
accommodate
those
vehicle
trips
efforts
to
support
and
encourage
trans
opportunities
for
the
traveling
public
are
also
encouraged
by
the
council.
Being
the
city
council
recognizes,
the
airport
makes
strong
environmental
investments
in
its
construction
and
operations.
D
And
I
would
I
really
want
to
push
the
airport
on
a
number
of
these
fronts
and
I
also
want
to
maybe
even
include
looking
at
possible
funding
of
additional
UTA
routes
to
the
airport
to
break.
We
can
reduce
the
number
of
traffics
going
out
to
the
airport
or
employees.
D
Well,
with
the
airport
look
at
the
possibilities
of
funding
additional
UTA
routes
to
the
airport,
what
would
it
cost
to
add
routes
and
what
would
be
the
benefit
of
adding
the
route
to
the
airport?
Okay,.
M
Says
in
here
in
the
first
sentence,
it
says
formally
request
blah
blah
blah
regarding
plans,
ride
sharing
and
other
Transportation
options
for.
A
D
That
would
be
so,
it
would
be
employed,
we
could
add
passengers
or
yeah
customers.
H
The
reason
when
we
were
editing
at
a
staff
we
put
the
emphasis
on
on
employees
because
that's
what
the
airport
has
the
most
influence
over
and
also
it's
a
very
low
hanging
fruit.
They
have
there's
a
barrier
about
getting
light
rail
there
easily,
and
so,
when
we
were
first
talking
about
this,
they
were
they
kept.
Focusing
on
that,
as
opposed
to
all
the
things
that
could
be
done.
So
we
put
passengers
in
the
ladder
part
of
the
list,
but
emphasize
the
employees
up
front.
We
can
switch
it,
though.
D
M
H
M
A
D
Yeah
I
think
we're
I,
think
mine,
I
think
we're.
Also
the
employees
means
the
people
that
work
out
in
the
airport,
not
just
the
ones
who
work
have
a
they
have
a
badge
here.
They
all
have
a
badge
because
they
all
have
a
security
badge,
but
that's
and
part
of
that
is
because
they
do
work
weird
hours.
They
don't
have
bus
transportation.
That's
why
I'm
asking
about
the
additional
routes,
because,
right
now
you
can't
take
a
bus
both
ways,
because
the
services
doesn't
run
after
midnight
or
something
that
nature.
N
Yeah
can
can
this
written
plan
include.
N
You
know,
a
share
strategy
with
the
state,
because
in
the
last
conversations
we
had
with
with
the
you
know
the
airport,
you
know
there
is
this-
there
is
multi-agencies
involved
here
right.
This
is
no.
The
airport
by
itself
cannot
just
doesn't
control
the
routes
and
whatnot
right.
So
I
wonder
if
there
is
a
way
of
adding
this
about
a
share
strategy.
N
I
I
want
us
to
have
an
actual
share
strategy
with
the
airport
regarding
public
transportation,
then
we
can
say:
okay,
the
airport
and
us
are
loving
the
state
together
on
this,
because
we
both
have
a
shared
document
that
says
these
are
our
priorities
and
right
now,
I'm
not
sure
we
have
that
in
a
written
place
regarding
to
public
transportation.
So
I
would
like
to
include
here
a
little
bit
about
that
since
we're
going
into
into
that
and
every
time
that
we
talked
to
the
airport,
we
talked
about
parking
and
public
transportation.
N
F
D
I
guess
it'd
be
some
way
to.
There
could
be
some
way
to
add
that
in
the
written
plan,
because
somehow
have
they
intent
in
the
in
the
plan,
I
mean
it's
really.
The
airport
gives
us
a
plan,
they
could
add
the
that
portion
of
it
to
it.
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
need
that
be
that
specific
in
this
or
not,
but
maybe
what.
A
If
we're
more
General
altogether
in
this
and
just
say
they
need
to
submit,
we
would
we're
asking
if
the
airport
submit
a
written
plan
and
funding
proposal,
if
necessary,
to
the
council
regarding
plans
to
encourage
and
facilitate
Transit
ride.
Transit
ride,
sharing
and
other
Transportation
options
period.
N
A
N
M
Don't
maybe
we
add
to
the
next
where
it
says
the
council
request,
the
plan
include
milestones
and
metrics
to
measure
progress.
Maybe
we
put
something
in
there
about
a
shared
advocacy
strategy,
something
like
that
in
there
yeah
understand
that
we
all
have
to
Lobby
the
state
in
UTA.
In
order
for
this
to
happen,.
H
And
I
just
want
to
insert
that
the
airport
did
send
us
a
document
this
afternoon
that
lists
some
of
the
efforts
that
they
are
making
to
date,
so
they
already
have
a
start
on
it.
A
A
I
B
So
on
the
contention
Appropriations
we're
still
working
on
the
trails
contingency,
the
second
one
on
this
list
is.
I
The
ones
for
Trails
as
we,
what
we
discussed
with
council
member
Wharton,
we
have
started
a
dialogue
with
the
administration
on
a
contingent
appropriation,
we're
a
little
bit
crunched
for
time.
This
needs
to
be
added
to
the
budget
adoption
ordinance,
and
so
this.
I
I
It's
to
the
attorneys
right
so
well,
and
public
land,
so
Kristin
director
said
that
she
would
work
on
it
and
I
think
that
we're
working
on
some
of
the
keywords
from
councilmember
Wharton
as
well
the
funding
our
future
contingency
has
been
since
the
funding
our
future
sales
tax
was
adopted,
and
this
is
just
an
illustration
that
unless
the
contingency
is
adopted
every
year,
it
doesn't
apply
to
that
current
year.
I
Okay,
the
air
quality
incentive
program
and
the
sanctioned
camping
Grant
fund
and
let's
remove
RDA
from
that,
just
because
we
I
think
we're
going
to
keep
the
sanctioned
gambing
Grant
Fund
in
non-departmental,
just
so
that
it
sticks
out
there.
Yeah
I,
don't.
F
B
A
D
M
After
the
maximum
Awards
by
incentive
type,
comma
Equity
considerations,
comma.
J
N
F
N
B
K
D
A
Local
and
State
and
issues
specific
to
our
locality
and
State.
D
B
Thank
you,
yeah,
we'll
hope,
we'll
hope
to
have
the
trails
contingency
ready
later
tonight,
right.