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From YouTube: Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - June 03, 2021
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Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - June 03, 2021
https://www.slc.gov/historic-preservation/
https://www.slc.gov/boards/historic-landmark-commission-agendas-minutes/
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That's
where
I
can
be
heard,
hereby
determine
that
conducting
the
public
meetings
in
an
anchor
location
presents
a
substantial
risk
to
the
health
and
safety
of
those
who
may
be
present
at
the
anchor
location
due
to
the
center
for
disease
control
and
prevention,
social
distancing
requirements.
I
find
that
conducting
a
meeting
at
the
anchor
location
constitutes
a
substantial
risk
to
the
health
and
safety
of
those
who
may
be
present
at
the
location.
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Sorry,
yes,
I
have
been
waiting
all
day
and
I
know
it
was
the
most
riveting
thing
at
your
last
landmark
commission
meeting
and
we
had
it
as
we
had
it
listed
as
a
work
session.
So
technically
we
weren't
able
to
make
a
motion
as
a
commission
and
approve
them,
and
so
we
popped
them
on
the
agenda
for
other
business
and
are
just
asking
the
commission
to
take
some
action
on
the
on
the
revised
document.
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It's
this
little
hand
it's
kind
of
that's
supposed
to
be
a
hand,
it's
really
hard
to
see,
but
we
would
ask
that
when
you
would
like
to
speak,
that
you
click
on
that,
so
it
gives
us
an
indication
that
you
would
like
to
speak
after
you
have
spoken.
If
you
could,
please
click
that
again
and
and
remove
the
hand,
so
we
could
kind
of
keep
track
of
who
wants
to
speak
at
each
item?
That
would
be
great.
Another
thing
is:
I
have
this
screen
up.
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If
for
those
of
you
that
are
watching,
if
you're
having
any
sort
of
issues,
it
might
be
a
good
time
to
write
down
this
email
address,
it's
historic
landmarks,
dot
comments
at
slcgov.com.
We
have
people
that
are
monitoring
those
email
for
that
email
address
and
if
you
are
hap,
have
any
issues
or
would
just
like
to
leave
a
comment
there.
You
can
leave
a
comment
there
and
we
will
read
that
into
the
record
for
you,
and
I
do
know
that
we
have
cindy
cromer
here
who
would
like
to
speak
in
the
general
comments.
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Hi
everybody.
This
comment
is
about
the
cultural
landscapes,
which
was
on
your
agenda.
Back
in
april,
there
was
a
staff
memo,
it
was
a
work
session
and
I'm
quoting
from
the
bottom
of
page
two.
The
lack
of
documentation
and
guidance
for
landscapes
results
in
an
unpredictable
process
for
both
the
managers
of
these
sites
and
commissioners.
Reviewing
proposals
to
this
statement
in
the
memo,
I
would
like
to
add
the
lack
of
a
predictable
process
for
the
public
regarding
modifications
to
publicly
owned
property.
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My
own
efforts
on
this
topic
began
over
25
years
ago,
when
mayor
coradini
indicated
there
would
be
no
funds
for
the
shabby
liberty
park
unless
the
northwest
corner
became
a
storm
water
detention
basin.
The
solution
was
obvious
to
me,
but
that's
when
I
realized
that,
in
the
absence
of
guidelines,
bad
things
could
happen
in
our
park
spaces.
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So
the
first
problem
is
that
we
would
make
irrevocable
and
unfounded
decisions
based
on
lack
of
information.
The
second
issue
is
that,
in
the
absence
of
a
structured
program
for
change
in
our
historic
parks,
the
city
can
expend
precious
funds,
which
should
be
reinvested
in
the
spaces
not
spent
on
arguing
with
the
citizenry.
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There
are
five
other
examples
on
the
email
that
I
sent
you
all
of
them
in
liberty
park,
which
show
how
the
lack
of
guidelines
can
cost
the
city
precious
funds.
We
should,
of
course,
strive
to
do
the
right
thing
in
a
landscape
which
cannot
be
replicated
in
a
lifetime
if
ever,
we
should
also
avoid
wasting
funds
on
projects
which
are
unnecessary
and
or
ill-conceived,
and
the
planning
staff's
time
which
went
into
obtaining
certificates
of
appropriateness
for
unnecessary
projects
was
completely
wasted.
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Thanks,
I
just
wanted
to
let
the
commission
and
anyone
else
listening
know
that
I
am
going
to
be
stepping
down
as
a
planning
manager
for
salt
lake
city
effective
tomorrow.
Actually-
and
I
am
doing
this
for
a
number
of
reasons-
and
have
a
number
of
things
lined
up
in
front
of
me-
one
of
which
is
I'll-
be
doing
more
teaching
at
the?
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in
the
fall,
the
urban
design,
studio
and
potentially
another
course
as
well,
and
I'm
going
to
be
starting.
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My
own
practice
and
I
am
co-editing
a
book
with
a
colleague,
so
I
still
have
a
full
plate,
but
I
am
going
to
take
a
few
weeks
of
summer
to
kind
of
regroup
and
and
figure
out
what
my
what
my
niche
is
going
forward.
But
you
won't
see
my
my
face
in
the
meetings,
at
least
from
this
side
of
the
from
this
side
of
the
screen
for
a
while.
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Great,
so
this
proposal
is
for
dormer
editions
located
at
1017
east
first
avenue.
The
applicant
and
property
owner
is
dennis
webb
and
he's
requesting
a
minor
alteration
and
a
special
exception
in
order
to
construct
an
addition
on
a
house
in
the
avenue's.
Local
historic
district,
as
part
of
the
application
is
to
request
an
order
for
the
added
conditions
to
be
approved.
The
first
is
a
minor
alteration,
as
the
three
new
added
conditions
are
proposed
on
a
contributing
residential
building
in
the
local
historic
district.
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The
property
under
review
is
located
in
the
avenue's
local,
historic
district
and
fronts
along
first
avenue.
The
property
is
a
single-family
house
and
is
bounded
on
the
east
and
west
by
single-family
houses
as
well.
The
property
is
currently
under
enforcement
for
work
done
on
the
house
without
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
without
a
building
permit.
The
work
conducted
was
foreign.
Excuse
me
added
conditions
on
the
east
and
north
sides
of
the
house
after
the
enforcement
case,
the
property
owner
applied
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
address
these
additions.
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Staff
has
worked
with
the
applicant
on
multiple
revisions
for
the
added
conditions
and
determined
the
current
proposal
meets
the
standards
of
the
local
historic
district
and
is
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
The
new
configuration
would
require
that
the
existing
attic
editions
be
reconstructed.
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The
proposed
north
roof
edition,
which
is
situated
towards
the
rear
of
the
house,
will
be
a
gable
type
of
dormer
and
will
be
in
line
to
the
peak
of
the
roof
of
the
house
staff
discussed
with
the
property
owner
and
a
local
architect
about
pushing
the
east
sloping
gable,
dormer
behind
the
chimney
to
preserve
the
original
form
of
the
house
and
to
keep
the
chimney
as
visible
from
the
street
as
possible.
However,
this
east
gabled
dormer
is
placed
in
a
position
to
allow
access
to
the
attic
space.
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A
special
exception
for
additional
overall
building
height
and
exterior
wall
height
is
required,
as
the
proposed
additions
to
the
house
will
exceed
the
zoning
district's,
building
and
well
height
standards.
The
applicant
submitted
a
special
exception
request,
because
the
attic
additions
do
not
comply
with
wall
and
building
height
in
the
sr1a
district.
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The
allowed
wall
height
in
the
sr-1a
district
is
16
feet.
The
proposed
wall
height
with
the
attic
conditions,
will
be
23
feet
on
the
east
gable
dormer
25
feet
on
the
shed
dormer
and
approximately
24
feet
on
the
rear.
Dormer
the
allowed
building
height
in
the
sr1a
district
is
23
feet.
The
existing
building
exceeds
this
height
with
29
feet.
The
proposed
dormer
additions
will
not
exceed
this
building
height
with
the
rear
proposed
dormer
of
29
feet
as
well.
Approximately
26
feet
for
the
east
facing
gable
dormer
and
25
feet
on
the
shed
dormer.
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Each
of
the
proposed
dormers
will
contain
windows
of
different
sizes
and
window
types.
The
gable
dormer
on
the
e
sloping
roof
will
be
will
include
single
hung
windows
that
are
similar
in
shape
and
type
as
other
windows
that
are
original
to
the
front
facade
of
the
house.
The
gable
dormer
on
the
rear-facing
slope
of
the
house
will
also
have
similar
windows.
As
the
proposed
dormer
nearest
the
street.
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The
exterior
materials
of
the
proposed
dormer
editions
are
wood,
shingle
material
and
are
dependent
on
the
style
of
dormer
and
their
placement.
The
gable
dormer
addition
on
the
east
that
will
be
nearest
to
the
street
will
include
fish
scale,
pattern,
wood
shingle
and
will
match
the
gabled
forms
on
the
front
facade
of
the
house.
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The
shed
dormer
will
be
constructed
of
white
pine,
horizontal
shiplap
material.
This
proposed
material
is
different
from
the
other
materials
used
on
the
historic
house.
However,
this
shed
dormer
will
not
be
visible
from
the
street
and
it's
appropriate
to
the
shed
style,
dormer
and
then
finally,
the
rear
door.
Dormer
materials
will
match
the
first
floor
edition,
that's
also
on
the
rear
of
the
house
and
we'll
have
a
natural
wood,
shingle
siding
that
will
remain
unpainted.
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Construction
as
well
as
the
neighborhood
itself,
I
think
the
general
standards
and
consideration
for
those
special
exceptions
is
pretty
self-explanatory.
From
what
you've
seen
I
have
lived
in
this
home
for
over
30
years
now
and
I've
taken
out
permits-
and
this
is
a
triplex
when
I
purchased
this
home.
So
I've
put
a
lot
of
money
time
and
energy
into
preserving
this
home
as
much
as
possible.
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So
that
being
said,
I
do
believe
from
what
you've
been
presented
is
pretty
much
what
we
have
to
to
to
turn
this
around
and
get
this
to
com
compliant
measures.
So
we
can
go
forward.
There's
one
last
thing
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
As
far
as
my
actual
enforcement
officer
that's
in
charge
of
this
case,
I
got
a
letter
from
him
actually
on
the
june.
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But
the
the
thing
that
I
have
is:
I
have
a
problem
right
behind
my
home:
it's
a
bar
named
kachinas,
restaurant
and
bar
and
they've,
been
making
all
kinds
of
noise
and
and
havoc
and
actually
they've
been
in
many
violations
amplified
music.
They
built
a
fence
without
the
planning
commission's
permission.
There
was
no
drawing
submitted.
He
blocks
off
his
entrance,
so
parking
can't
be
obtained
by
patrons
they're
open
till
midnight.
It's
noisy,
he
has
bands,
it's
a
mess,
it's
a
real
mess
and
I
don't
want
to
go
too
much
into
it.
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But
this
same
gentleman
robert
garbick,
is
the
same
inspector
and
there's
nothing.
That's
been
done
to
kachinas,
nothing
at
all,
and
the
reason
this
letter
was
given
to
me,
I
believe,
is
because
last
year
his
venues
went
up
till
the
same
time
and
I
was
complaining
as
well
as
many
of
the
neighbors
how
noisy
and
disrespectful
that
business
had
become,
and
I'm
requesting
that
I
get
another
officer
enforcement
officer.
On
my
case,
I
don't
I.
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If
you
look
at
the
numbers
september
was
the
most
infectious
time
in
utah
for
covet,
so
everybody
else
was,
you
know,
told
to
stay
home
work
out
of
their
office.
You
know
work
out
of
home
instead
of
office
and
I'm
now
having
to
go
through
all
this
trying
to
get
people
in
my
home
during
covet
and
subjecting
my
family
to
covet
as
well-
and
I
just
didn't
appreciate
this
this
letter
during
that
time
it
I
lost
a
lot
of
sleep
over
this
letter.
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So
so,
mr
webb,
we
appreciate
the
situation,
I'm
sure
it
must
be
difficult
to
deal
with.
We
have
a
letter
in
our
that
we
received
from
your
neighbor
richard
gowers
about
the
same
subject,
unfortunately,
that
we
have
zero
jurisdiction
for
this.
For
this
issue
and
with
the
landmarks
commission
we're
only
dealing
today
with
your
dormers
and
we
invite
you
to
go
to
the
city,
to
the
planning
department
or
other
appropriate
places
of
the
city
for
people
to
deal
with
your
requests.
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Yes,
robert,
I
or
I
just
had
a
question
for
mr
webb,
I'm
trying
to
locate
the
portion
I
wanted
to
reference
in
the
staff
report.
I
can't
find
it
to
quote
it,
but-
or
I
was
just
wondering
mr
webb
it.
I
believe
that
I
read
that
the
planning
department
did
notify
you
that
you
would
have
to
go
through
approval
for
this,
for
the
addition
of
the
three
dormers
to
your
historic
structure,
and
it
said
that
you
preferred
not
to
so.
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Well,
I
I
think
yeah
I'll
have
okay.
I
have
to
take
you
back
to
what
was
going
on
in
my
attic
prior
to
me,
starting
the
dormer.
I
I
literally
my
roof
was
falling
in.
You
could
see
through
it.
It
was
leaking
at
every
corner
and
it
wasn't
that
I
didn't
prefer.
I
was
running
out
of
time.
It
was
getting
later
in
the
year
and
these
things
take
three
to
six
months
and
I
was
looking
at
a
winner
situation.
O
So
I'm,
like
I
better
get
this
done,
and
so
I
don't
have
any
more
holes
and
and
just
do
it
and
if
you
can
see
I've
taken
out
many
permits
prior
to
this
particular
job
and
I've
built
a
whole
addition
on
the
back
of
my
home,
a
front
porch.
I've
done
quite
a
few
different
add-ons
through
your
process,
but
this
caught
me
off
guard
because
the
roof
was
in
such
bad
condition
that
I
decided
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
this
done
and
just
be
done
with
it,
because
it's
a
mess
up
there.
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So
that's
my
initial
reason.
It
wasn't
that
I
was
trying
to
circumvent
the
the
situation.
I
actually
had
carl
leahy
come
into
my
home
prior
to
constructing
this
about
five
months
before
just
so,
he
could
get
a
feel
for
what
I
was
dealing
with,
and
time
went
by
and
time
went
by
and
I
just
didn't.
I
didn't
do
it,
it
was
too
late,
and
so
I
just
thought:
well
I
better
get
this
thing
done.
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Thank
you,
mr
chair.
This
is
a
request
that
the
landmarks
commission
has
seen
before
it's
been
a
several
months
and
the
homeowner
has
begun
with
the
modifications
that
the
marx
commission
approved
originally,
and
they
are
returning
to
ask
for
a
modification
to
their
earlier
approval,
just
to
increase
a
little
bit
of
living
space.
In
the
approved
edition,
the
homeowner
is
asking
for
an
increase
in
the
size
of
her
writer's
nook,
which
is
the
easternmost
wing
of
the
home.
I
I
I
D
L
F
B
E
J
G
E
E
For
the
setback
that
this
would
make
this
space
so
much
more
functional
I've,
also,
obviously
I
mean
with
the
cost
of
construction,
and
you
know
and
having
getting
gotten
rid
of.
I
think
it
was
175
square
feet
to
rebuild
this.
It's
just
not
been
an
incredibly
you
know,
lucrative,
financially
investment,
so
being
able
to
being
able
to
get
the
most
square
footage
possible
will
help
me
recoup
some
of
the
investment
costs.
D
For,
let's
see,
I
don't
see
any
hands
raised
or
emails,
I
we
did
receive
an
email.
Somebody
like
to
speak
on
another
matter
later,
so
I
just
want
to
point
out
sounds
like
people
are
trying
to
maybe
comment
on
youtube.
You
actually
need
to
go
into
this
meeting,
link
to
it
from
the
agenda
on
the
salt
lake
city's
web
page.
D
C
C
D
C
J
I
C
C
N
C
P
E
N
N
N
Moment
there
we
go
okay,
so
this
parcel
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
third
avenue
between
r
and
s
streets.
It's
zoned
sr
1,
a
where
accessory
dwelling
units
are
permitted,
use,
planning
staff.
Typically,
we
profit
processed.
These
adu
requests
administratively,
but
in
this
case
we
elected
to
bring
the
proposal
to
the
full
commission
based
on
the
size
of
the
proposed
building,
which
requires
a
special
exception
for
additional
height.
N
You
can
see
the
bungalow
there.
It
dates
from
1924,
that's
the
existing
principle
structure
and
then
the
site
proposed
which
is
adjacent
to
the
alley
there.
You
can
see
the
the
site
slopes
significantly
you're,
not
going
to
see
it
there,
though
from
north
to
south,
and
so
the
garage
a
button
alley
and
is
actually
significantly
below
the
height
of
the
existing
residence.
N
N
N
N
We
in
our
initial
discussions,
we
were
staff
requested
that
the
applicants
look
at
additional
glazing
on
the
other
facades
that
exceeds
the
minimums
required
by
the
building
code
for
egress
light
and
ventilation,
but
we
felt
that
it
fit
into.
It
was
more
characteristics
of
the
surrounding
buildings
and
accessory
structures.
N
N
N
N
The
streetscape
comprises
seven
accessory
structures
along
both
sides
of
the
alley.
It
also
includes
open
parking
areas,
fences
and
the
sides
of
two
buildings
which
you
can
see
at
the
lower
left
hand
and
the
lower
right
hand
corners
of
those
lots,
they're
18
street
and
115
s
street.
All
the
structures
are
along
the
slaughter
permit,
primarily
one
story
structure
cited
uniformly
along
the
right-of-way.
N
N
N
N
It
was
built
in
19
or
excuse
me
1895,
and
it
serves
both
1084
and
1088
third
avenue.
It's
one
of
the
few
significant
structure
or
outbuildings,
classified
as
significant
structures
within
the
avenues
historic
district,
most
of
them
are
are
contr,
may
be
contributing,
but
don't
rise
to
the
level
of
this
size
and
historical.
N
You
can
also
see
that
s
street
carriage
house
and
the
similar
scale
of
that
building
below
you
see
the
the
same
structures,
but
you
can
also
see
the
background
buildings.
The
structures
along
second
avenue
are
generally
lower
in
scale,
although
you
have
a
an
apartment
building
on
the
corner
of
our
street
and
second
avenue.
N
N
The
proposed
building
here,
as
you
can
see,
exceeds
the
height
of
the
existing
house
on
the
lot
which,
at
the
front
third
avenue
side
is
approximately
18
foot
feet
six
inches
and
then,
at
its
highest
point,
is
approximately
23
feet
from
grade.
You
can
see
that's
further
back
on
the
on
the
property
because
of
that
elevation,
diff
difference.
N
N
N
If
the
building,
if
the
principal
structure
were
taller
and
was
more
in
keeping
with
the
scale
of
the
other
buildings
that
it
joins
along
third
avenue,
it
would
be.
This
building
would
would
meet
that
height
standard.
As
it
is
it's
about
a
10
inch
height
difference.
You
can
see
how
the
grade
change
really
affects
the
elevate
or
really
affects
the
height
and,
and
so
the
height
of
the
proposed
adu
is
actually
below
the
height
of
the
roof
line
for
the
principal
structure.
N
N
C
C
C
H
N
Q
And
nelson,
if,
if
I
made
it's
actually
yeah,
I
think
because
of
the
height
of
the
structure
and
because
of
those
power
lines
that
are
there,
we
have
to
be
at
least
10
feet
away
from
the
power
lines.
Oh
okay,
so
it
actually
sits
a
little
bit
further
back
than
that
carriage
house.
That's
to
the
east.
Q
N
L
N
C
Q
Well,
thank
you.
Nelson.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
think
I
think
he's
done
a
really
great
job
of
outlining
what
we're
thinking
as
far
as
historic
context
for
the
carriage
house
just
in
context.
This
would
be
built
for
paul
and
jenna
murphy
who
live
at
the
property
and
we're
serving
as
the
architect
on
this
project.
I
do
have
a
little
bit
of
personal
interest.
My
let's
see
I
moved
back
to
salt
lake
from
omaha
about
five
years
ago.
Q
In
response
to
one
of
the
the
commissioner's
questions,
so
there
is
a
bit
of
a
view
shed
there,
but
the
proposed
adu
would
would
sit
below
that.
I
think
at
the
very
end
of
nelson's
presentation,
he
showed
that
section
that
we
did
of
the
site
that
really
illustrates
how
that
fits
in
how
the
adu
would
fit
in
with
the
existing
property
and,
as
nelson
alluded
all
of
the
other
properties
that
are
along
that
side
of
third
avenue
are
a
full
story
higher
at
least
than
the
murphy's
residence.
Q
Is
it's
the
only
single-story
bungalow
on
that
street.
You
know
it's
an
interesting
time
as,
as
the
city
is
implementing
this
new
adu
ordinance.
I
think
we're
one
of
the
first
ones
to
propose
a
structure
like
this
in
the
avenues,
but
I
think
it
shows
how
we
can
successfully.
You
know
meet
the
requirements
of
the
avenues
district
and
also
meet
the
allowances
that
the
adu
overlay
provides,
which
really
contributes
to
us
being
able
to
build
more
housing
in
our
communities.
Q
Housing,
that's
close
to
downtown,
that
doesn't
add
a
lot
of
additional
infrastructure
requirements
and
that
will
continue
to
help
salt
lake
city.
You
know
thrive
moving
forward
and
I
think
nelson's
done
a
terrific
job
presenting
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
believe
paul
and
jenna
are
on
as
well
and
may
be
able
to
participate
by
raising
their
hands
if
they
have
anything,
they
wanted
to
add.
D
I
L
C
G
C
M
I
You
know
the
problem
that
I
have
is
with
more
renters
in
the
neighborhood
hi.
Sorry,
this
is
my
name.
Is
susan
masari,
I'm
bill's
wife.
Part
of
the
problem
I
have
with
adding
more
renters
in
the
neighborhood
is
that
we
already
have
a
really
really
highly
dense,
neighborhood
full
of
renters,
and
one
of
the
problems
that
I
have
in
the
alleyway
is
with
the
apartment.
Building
that's
on
the
corner.
I
So
we've
been
throwing
couches
in
dumpsters
and
relocating
bikes,
and
you
know
just
trying
to
do
everything
we
can
to
sort
of
keep
in
a
nice
tidy
neighborhood.
I
guess
just
without
furniture
debris
hanging
out,
and
so
my
concern
is
kind
of
adding
more
more
renters
into
the
neighborhood
I
mean.
Are
we
going
to
be
kind
of?
I
Am
I
going
to
be
moving
a
mattress
from
behind
my
garage
every
year
or
six
months
or
whenever,
when
they
decide
to
get
a
new
renter?
And
you
know
to
speak
to
the
drainage,
I
want
to
go
back
and
speak
to
the
drainage.
In
the
alleyway
I
mean
there
is.
There
is
about
three
inches
of
solid
ice
in
the
winter
time
and
we
have
to
have
an
all-wheel
drive
car
in
order
just
to
kind
of
get
up
and
down
the
alleyway.
My
husband
is
so
bad.
I
My
husband
cannot
park
his
truck
into
our
own
garage
in
the
wintertime
because
the
drainage
is
so
bad,
and
so
my
concern
is
that
when
we're
going
to
be
having
these,
you
know
construction
vehicles
coming
in
to
auger
down
and
plumb.
This
adu
and
you
know,
hook
up
the
electricity
and
all
that
what
are
they
going
to
leave
to
the
alleyway?
I
mean
it's
really
in
bad
shape.
I
My
husband
and
I
have
already
filled
a
lot
of
the
potholes
out
of
our
own
pocket
just
to
make
it
a
better
place,
and
that,
and
so
I
I
know
that
construction
vehicles
are
notoriously
not
delicate
with
the
condition
of
the
alleyway,
and
so
that
is
kind
of
one
of
my
big
concerns
about
it
other
than
it
being
a
gigantic
eyesore
I'll,
be
it
will
be
in
the
alleyway
and
hidden
from
the
the
main
view.
But
it
will
be
kind
of
an
eyesore.
D
C
C
Let
me
just
say
that
jason
is
the
architect.
Maybe
you
could
respond
to.
If
you
can
respond
to
those
comments,
I
would
say
I
would
just
say
that
the
comments
about
renters
is
not
really
before
this
commission
and
and
and
maybe
the
drainage
is,
and
although
I'd
like
it
it'd
be
nice
jason.
If
you
could
speak
to
the
drainage
issue
and
and
of
course
the
height
issue
is
before
this
commission.
So
if
you
could
speak
to
that,
that
would
be
appreciated.
Q
C
Q
You
probably
don't
need
to
yeah.
Okay,
you
guys
can
see
now,
I'm
assuming
right,
I
you
know,
I
wish
first
of
all
bill.
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
think
those
are
terrific
comments
and
I
wish
I
had
done
a
section
that
goes
all
the
way
through
the
site.
You
know
up
to
2nd
avenue
and
I
don't
have
any
photographs
specifically.
This
is
a
google
street
image
as
you're
looking
back,
and
I
believe
this
is
your
house.
Q
Is
that
correct
right
there
and
you
can
see
so
so
this
is
his
property
and
then,
if
I
pull
up
on
the
accessory
map
here,
so
this
garage
right
here
is
the
one
that
that
they
own
and
then
there's
the
second
alley
here.
There's
an
alley
here.
This
is
the
alley
that's
off
of
the
murphy's
property
and,
and
then
this
right
here
is
the
swineyard's
home
and
then
you've
got
a
larger
bungalow.
Q
That's
immediately
adjacent
to
that,
and
so
you
can
see
that
there
there
are
two
alleys
of
separation
between
between
the
home
itself
and
where
the
adu
has
proposed
to
go.
However,
this
one
year's
garage
does
open
directly
to
that
alley,
and
you
know
I've
been
back
in
that
alley.
They're
absolutely
right,
there's
that
ali
is
not
in
good
condition
in
terms
of
the
the
surfacing
there
you
know.
Q
It's
kind
of
that
box,
car
style
apartment,
that's
on
the
on
the
east
side
of
the
block,
and-
and
I
am
aware
of
a
lot
of
turnover-
that's
that's
gone
in
that
specific
apartment
and
and
recognize
what
they're
saying
even
when
we're
over
there.
I
think
I've
seen
some
of
the
debris
that's
been
out
there,
but
the
great
thing
about
an
adu
is
that
this
is
on
the
property
that
paul
and
jenna
own
they're,
obviously
very,
very
careful
about
their
property.
Q
They
take
great
care
of
it
and-
and
I
think
the
wonderful
thing
about
the
adu
ordinance
is
that
you
have
the
landlord
that
lives
on
that
property
and
is
their
property
and
presumably
they're,
going
to
care
about
it
and
make
sure
that
things
are
maintained
to
a
good
standard.
And
I
think
paul
and
jenna
have
demonstrated
over
the
years
that
they
they
absolutely
do
exactly
that
from
from
the
the
water.
And
let
me
go
back
to
the
visibility
shed
for
just
a
second.
So.
Q
So
from
from
where
we're
at
on
second
avenue,
there
would
be
zero
visibility
from
a
height
standpoint
of
the
proposed
adu
and
even
from
there.
But
you
know
I
can't
say
for
sure
from
their
backyard,
but
I
think
from
their
backyard
they
would,
they
would
maybe
just
be
able
to
see
the
top
of
it
over
the
top
of
their
garage
and
I'd
be
happy
to
provide
a
site
section.
You
know
that
shows
kind
of
what
that
looks
like
as
you
go
all
the
way
down
to
second
avenue.
Q
The
homes
on
second
avenue
are
certainly
lower
than
the
homes
on
third
avenue.
You
know
you
don't
see
the
the
same
two-story
structures
here
that
you
do
on
third
avenue,
but
again
the
visibility,
because
of
the
way
that
that
that
hill
slopes
and
the
way
the
houses
are
set.
You
wouldn't
even
get
close
to
seeing
the
adu
from
the
second
avenue
approach.
Q
As
far
as
the
the
drainage
goes,
you
know,
I'm
we
haven't
done
the
full
civil
design
of
this
yet,
but
my
understanding
is
that
we
are
required
to
mitigate
for
any
increased
hard
surface,
that
we
have
on
the
property.
So
you
know
if
we're
adding
a
footprint
essentially
of
650
square
feet,
you
know,
through
low
impact
development
were
required
to
retain
an
equivalent
amount
of
water
that
would
that
would
no
longer
be
able
to
percolate
into
the
site
as
a
result
of
that.
C
Q
F
Q
So
this
is
the
alley
in
question
and
right
now
I
think
any
of
these
any
of
these
properties
that
are
here
on
this
side.
You
know
the
hardscape
is
going
to
drain
back
into
their
backyards,
where
some
of
it
is
going
to
percolate
and
some
of
it's
going
to
run
into
the
alley
when
you
get
to
the
alley
here.
Q
C
C
Q
Q
C
That
seems
like
the
right
answer
is
to
have
some
some
some
sort
of
french
drains
there
gravel
drains
where
you
can
bring
the
water
to
the
to
the,
even
though
it's
uphill
you
bring
it
off
the
roof
into
the
north
into
the
backyard.
Where
you
have
some
some
some
pits
like
that.
That
run
you
know
under
the
lawn.
You
can
hide
them,
of
course,
that
water
on
their
property
and
not
draining
into
the
alley.
Q
C
Q
It
depends
on
how
it's
yeah
it
depends
on
how
it's
classified
so
it's
10
inches
from
the
back
of
the
property.
You
know
for
nelson's
presentation.
Pereiras
were
we're
actually
about
the
same
height.
You
know
from
my
drawing
and
calculations
that
we're
where
23
feet,
10
and
measured
from
this
spot
here
on
the
back.
If
you
go
up
to
the
ridge
line,
the
ridge
line
is
basically
right
at
24
feet
from
the
backyard
of
the
house,
and
let
me
just
pull
up.
Q
So
if
we're
basing
it
off
of
the
the
city
sidewalk,
then
we're
asking
for
a
variance
of
about
five
and
a
half
feet
in
order
to
get
to
the
23
feet.
Ton
there,
if
you're,
basing
it
off
of
the
adu
ordinance
in
the
in
the
24
feet
of
the
existing
house,
is
taken
from
the
from
the
backyard.
Then
we're
not
asking
for
any
variants
at
all
per
the
adu
ordinance.
C
N
And
if
I
could
just
elaborate
on
that,
planning
staff
did
have
that
discussion
and
particularly
with
joel
patterson,
the
zoning
administrator,
and
we
tried
to
make
it
work
that
there
interpreted
his
interpretation
and
the
planning
interpretation.
Is
that
the
you
can't?
You
can't
measure
it
from
that
exact
point
right
at
the
edge
of
the
back
wall
up
to
the
ridge
ridge
line?
R
N
Yeah
yeah
or
20,
I'm
sorry
23..
There
are
too
many,
so
it
would
be
a
there's.
It
doesn't
technically
meet
the
height
standard
and
requires
the
special
exception,
but
it
depends
on
the
the
interpretation.
The
the
official
interpretation
that
we
got
that
we
received
back
was
that
it
needed
a
special
exception
here.
C
C
K
I
have
a
few
comments
pertaining
to
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
I'm
just
struggling,
so
a
portion
of
the
analysis
is
for
the
design
standards
for
this
structure
and
well,
I
guess
one
nelson.
I
think
you
did
a
wonderful
job
even
with
the
technical
difficulties
and
your
report
is
very
thorough
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
put
into
this
proposal.
K
However,
I
I
am
having
a
hard
time
seeing
how
this
proposal
is
compliant
with
some
of
these
standards,
as
it
speaks
to
the
building
forum
and
scale
it
we're
under
that
portion.
It
kind
of
talks
about
the
character
of
the
block
and
when
I'm
going
on
that,
when
I've
driven
through
that
area
and
looked
at
that
area,
I'm
not
seeing
these
features
that
are
being
proposed.
K
It
says
that
windows
and
other
openings
should
be
incorporated
in
a
manner
that
reflects
the
patterns
in
this
district
and
then,
when
it
speaks
to
roof
forms
under
building
form
and
scale.
It
states
that
it
should
incorporate
the
roof
forms
found
in
the
black
face,
which
obviously
it's
going
off
of
the
s
carriage,
and
I
appreciate
that
as
a
contributing
to
it.
But
to
me
the
dormers
detract
or
modify
that
reform.
A
K
C
So
let
me
ask,
let
me
ask
nelson
this:
is
there
anything
in
the
in
the
in
the
in
the
city
code
or
standards
that
that
that
give
any
sort
of
break
on
that
issue
when
it's
facing
in
the
backyard
I
mean
we
haven't,
had
a
lot
of
experience
with
these
ancillary
buildings,
but
but
it's
obviously
just
facing
their
own
backyard
and
really
not
open
to
anybody
else
to
see.
Do
we
have?
Is
there
any
room
for
for
movement
on
that
or
is
the
same?
The
same
standards
apply
that
aiden's
referring
to
well.
N
N
We
kind
of
struggled
with
that
same
issue.
To
be
honest
in
terms
of
we
felt
like
this.
This
structure
was
large
enough
in
scale
and
significant
enough
that
we
shouldn't
be
reviewing
it
just
as
an
accessory
structure,
and
so
we
use
the
standards
for
new
construction,
which
ordinarily
wouldn't
be
used.
If
you
were
just
looking
at
an
a
basic
accessory
structure
approval
here
where
it
was
two
stories,
it
also
has
the
accessory
dwelling
unit.
N
N
G
Okay,
yeah.
I
think
that
aiden
correctly
identified
some
of
the
ways
these
this
building
is
different
from
the
other
structures
along
the
alley.
But
I'd
like
to
make
some
points
in
support
of
this
design.
One
is
that
the
other
structures
are
not
intended
for
human
habitation
and
just
naturally,
you'd
like
to
have
more
daylight,
a
better
visibility.
G
C
H
All
right,
so
I
want
to
echo
what
what
just
said,
and
I
appreciate
what
aiden
was
indicating
in
that
you
know
it
it.
It's
clear
that
the
vocabulary
of
of
the
homes
on
the
street
versus
what
what
this
adl
is
proposing,
are
really
different,
but
it
they're
in
different
places
and
they're
in
different
visibilities.
H
If
this
was
was
visible
from
from
you
know
any
of
the
streets,
you
know
we,
we
might
all
have
a
different
response,
but
because
it's
in
the
middle
of
the
block-
and
it's
not
seen
from
from
the
major
front
streets,
then
then
then
I
then
I
think
it
then
it's
a
new
ball
game
and
it
can
be
whatever
it
wants
to
be
so
well,
I
think
it's
a
little
surprising,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
find
it
disturbing
that
it's
different
than
the
architecture
of
of
what
you
see
on
the
major
streets.
L
So
I
agree
with
with
what
kenton
said
and
to
me
it's
it's
kind
of
similar
to
how
we
give
a
little
more
leeway
on
a
tertiary
facade
on
new
construction,
because
it's
not
visible
from
from
the
right
away.
So
you
know
we
usually
give
a
little
more
leeway
to
side
and
rear
rears
of
new
construction
and
additions
to
historic
buildings,
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
test.
F
H
Turning
the
drainage
and
it
it
feels
like
that
with
the
hip
roof.
I
think,
if
my
directions
are
correct,
that
that
you're
draining
the
roof
to
the
east
and
to
the
west,
if
the,
if
the
on
the
east
side
is
the
additional
parking
area,
if
that
can
be
sloped
to
mitigate,
you
know,
adding
to
the
the
drainage
into
the
valley
that
I
think
that
would
be
appropriate
on
the
on
the
west
side.
H
It
looks
like
that's
that's
grass
or
a
permeable
area
so
that
that
can
be
designed
to
gather
water
from
the
roof
as
well
and
mitigate
it
as
much
as
possible
from
getting
into
the
alley.
I
think
what
was
said
earlier,
I
I
forget
who
it
was,
but
once
water
is
in
the
alley,
the
alley
is,
and
I
drove
it
as
well.
The
alley
is
a
little
rough.
It
is
shaded
by
by
the
buildings
that
are
on
the
north
side
of
the
alley.
H
P
Yeah,
I
got
something
to
say:
I'm
not
I'm
not
going
to
address
things
that
the
landmarks
commission
doesn't
really
have
a
preview
on,
but
I
would
like
to
note
that
this
is
a
large
lot
of
a
small
building
and
that
the
19th
century
carriage
house
on
the
east
end
of
the
avenue
of
the
alleyway.
Rather,
I
think,
really
helps
for
the
precedent
for
the
height
of
this
building.
C
D
D
Based
on
the
analysis
and
findings
listed
in
the
staff
report,
the
information
presented
and
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing.
I
move
that
the
commission
approves
petition,
p,
l
n
h,
l
c
20206,
which
is
the
request
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
new
construction
of
an
accessory
structure
in
the
rear
yard
that
contains
a
garage
and
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
petition
p
l,
n
h,
l
c
20
21
0,
which
is
a
request
for
special
exception
to
a
permit
structure
that
exceeds
the
maximum
permitted
height
with
the
following
direction.
G
C
K
N
G
H
D
Q
K
C
N
D
E
N
N
That
lot
was
configured
that
way
and
and
really
hasn't
changed
since
the
the
building
on
the
lot
dates
from
before
1898,
but
it's
also
been
very,
very
substantially
changed.
I
included
a
lot
of
information,
possibly
too
much
in
the
staff
report,
about
a
determination
that
a
previous
landmark
commission
made
in
2015
when
the
university
historic
district
was
designated
it
or
excuse
me
not
designated,
but
re-surveyed,
and
the
commission
was
looking
at
the
findings
of
that
survey.
N
There
was
a
a
property
owner
at
the
time,
came
in
and
talked
about
all
of
the
changes
that
had
been
done.
Those
are,
there
was
artificial,
siding
put
on
the
sides.
The
windows
most
of
the
openings
had
been
changed
out
and
you
can
see
here
that
the
deterioration
has
only
accelerated
since
that
2015
determination.
N
Here
we
feel,
like
that's
that's
fairly
obvious.
I
mean
you
can
see
other
photos
in
the
staff
report
that
show
that
that
was
key
issue
number
one.
The
second
is
the
proposal
for
the
design.
I'm
gonna
jump
ahead
here
you
can
see
the
the
building
there,
that's
on
the
site
that
that
notice
was
mailed
out
and
it
would
end
tomorrow,
based
on
the
the
postmark
date
that
I
ended
up
receiving.
N
N
N
N
And
then
you
have
the
rock
crust
department,
that's
located
here
in
the
background
and
that
dates
from
1963,
I
believe,
more
photos
showing
the
site.
You
can
see
this
condominium
complex
here,
that's
the
most
significant
building.
That's
that's
visible
and
adjacent
to
the
building
that,
just
by
doing
takeoffs
from
the
drawings
that
were
supplied,
it's
about
28
feet
from
that
lot
line
there
I'll
call
it
the
east
lot
line.
N
This
is
another
shot
of
that
rock
crest
apartments.
So,
in
looking
at
the
design
of
this
building,
we
felt
like
it's
appropriate
to
look
at
the
surrounding
structures.
They
were
all
determined
contributing,
so
the
the
blockiness,
the
the
materials
the
arrangement
on
the
proposed
building
it
is
similar
to
this
one
and
yet
also
takes
into
account
the
design
guidelines.
N
N
That's
where
the
two
property
lines
on
each
side
joined
at
the
corner,
basically
in
the
vicinity
of
that
corner
of
that
property,
that's
where
the
the
slope
the
grade
starts,
increasing
significantly.
As
you
can
see,
so
you
know
this
building
would
be
about
35.
It's
an
rmf,
35
zone.
Maximum
height
is
35
feet,
but
because
of
the
slope,
there's
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
impact.
It's
going
to
have
on
the
views
or
or
the
vicinity
within
that
property,
the
condominiums
upslope
to
the
east.
N
If
I
can
move
here
to
the
narrative,
the
materials
here,
you
can
see
the
site
plan,
they've
oriented
it
along
that
that
hypotenuse
of
the
triangle,
and
because
of
the
way
the
the
zoning
ordinance
treats
a
property
like
this.
That's
a
that's
a
side
yard
setback
in
this
zone.
It
has
to
be
five
feet
or
excuse
me.
It
has
to
be
ten
feet
because
of
the
way
the
the
property
is
sighted
and
the
the
way
that
they
can
get
access
to
the
the
building.
N
N
N
Which
is
this
left
side
elevation?
That
was,
that
was
a
fairly
blank
more
like
that
right
side,
elevation,
as
shown
on
the
drawing
here,
they
added
the
additional
window
there.
In
our
recommendations,
we
recommend
that
they
add
an
additional
element
on
that
corner
to
distinguish
that
more
as
the
primary
entrance
to
the
building.
N
So
site
plan
wise,
the
the
other
special
exception
is
they
are
not
shown
on
this
drawing,
but
they
have
proposed
balconies
on
the
rear
of
the
of
each
apartment.
Those
would
be
three
feet
deep,
so
they'd
protrude
into
the
setback
three
feet
that
ordinarily
wouldn't
be
allowed.
We
feel
it
gives
it
a
little
more
variation
on
the
the
front
facade
or
on
the
on
that
facade
to
to
have
those
balconies
there
and
the
the
windows,
and
it
provides
an
amenity
to
the
residents
there.
N
On
that
side,
we
we
discussed
and
and
looked
at
several
different
arrangements
on
this
property
for
this
proposed
building
and
other
configurations
of
this
building,
and
just
because
it's
such
a
weird
lot
getting
getting
a
driveway
there
and
getting
a
getting
a
building
onto
that
lot
is
is
complex
to
meet
all
of
the
the
width
requirements
for
the
driveways
and,
at
the
same
time
creating
something
that
is
meets
the
base
zoning
and
would
allow
for
multi-family
residential
on
this
lot.
So.
N
N
We
need
to
get
a
distinct
pedestrian
entrance
from
thistle
avenue,
that's
separate
from
the
proposed
driveway
and
then
breaking
up
that
visual
and
physical
impact
of
the
the
concrete
driveway
that's
already
proposed.
It
could
do
that
with
more
landscaping,
permeable,
paving
something
similar
that
would
add
more
green
space.
N
L
N
N
C
So
so
so
john,
when
I
got
on
the
commission,
we
didn't
have
study
sessions
at
that
time
and
people
were
coming
in
and
with
the
first
time
like
this,
and
we
were
making
a
lot
of
comments,
and
so
we
were
tabling
it,
so
they
would
have
to
reapply
and
they
were
coming
back
again.
So
it
ended
up
working
like
a
study
session
and
we
can
always
it
has
the
effect
of
one.
We
started
doing
study
fast
sessions
on
at
least
bigger
projects.
Just
so
we
would
make
it
easier.
C
Logistically,
you
know
it
didn't
have
to
be
a
public
hearing
just
come
in
and
tell
us
what
you're
doing
we'll
tell
you
what
we
think,
and
so
so
you
know
this
this
one,
I
kind
of
see,
can
fall
in
between
either
one,
but
it
is
what
it
is
today.
So
if
we
want
to
we'll
see
what
our
comments
are,
we
can
always.
We
can
always
give
the
same
comments.
We
would
give
it
a
study
session
and
ask
them
to
come
back
so.
L
C
D
B
B
B
One
thing
I
want
to
show
here
just
looking
at
thistle
street
as
we're,
considering
this
and
kind
of
considering
the
way
that
we're
facing
the
building
and
so
forth
is,
if
you
look
at
the
end
here,
it
doesn't
go
through
to
elizabeth
street,
so
it
kind
of
ends
right
here
and
the
entrance
that
we're
proposing
goes
in
right
here
and
really
from
this
location.
The
only
people
that
will
probably
drive
along
here
are
there's
some
parking
across
here
on
this
building.
B
J
B
To
get
back
over
there,
just
to
kind
of
show
you
here
put
it
into
context.
You
get
over
to
this
area
where,
where
the
grade
starts
to
go
up
over
here,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
see
that
side
to
run
an
angle,
you'll
still
be
able
to
see
the
entire
front
of
the
building.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
I
thought
would
just
point
out
that
really
the
way
we
did
end
up
orienting
this
building
is
so
that
from
thistle
street
you'd
pretty
much
see
the
front
of
the
building.
B
B
He
wanted
to
do
four
units,
but
realizing
that
there
were
some
other.
You
know
just
the
difficult
building
size
because
of
the
setbacks
and
everything
we
switched
it
to
three
and
he
wanted
to
be
able
to
let
residents
be
able
to
park,
and
we
got
two
car
garages
in
each
unit
and
made
some
nicer
bigger
units
for
this
area.
B
B
If
you
can
kind
of
see
here,
we
put
it
back
there
10
inches,
and
so
they
really
are
recess
and
have
a
nice
feature
that
pushes
and
gives
it
some
of
that
depth
that
I
think
you
guys
are
looking
for.
In
the
windows
now
we're
happy
to
definitely
recess
them
and
do
some
other
things
more,
if
you
guys
would
like
we're,
definitely
willing
to
to
look
at
that.
B
As
far
as
the
other
details,
you
know
talking
about
we're
happy
doing,
and
we
did
put
that
in
our
thing
that
we
would
do
a
smooth
finish.
We
also
are
going
to
do
the
hard
stucco
that
that's
the
plan
that
we
put
in
after
nelson
told
us
about
that.
We
put
that
in
the
plan
that
way
and
and
if
we
want
to
on
this
side
put
in
another-
I
mean
this
is
the
entrance
we
could
put
an
entry
here
again.
B
B
The
other
parts
of
this
we
do
think
that
this
is
a
very
beautiful
building,
especially
when
you
consider
all
the
buildings
along
there
and
and
what
they
what
this
has
to
offer.
I
think
this
will
be
really
nice
for
this
street
going
up
it,
and
you
know,
because
some
of
some
of
those
other
buildings
are
a
little.
B
B
Looking
you
know
this.
The
rear
of
the
building
is
back
here
and
in
this
zone.
The
rear
setback
is
five
feet,
and
I
know
that
technically
we
only
have
three
sides,
so
it
is
a
side,
but
that
that
is
where
we're
saying.
Hey
it
is
five
feet,
there's
just
a
big
hill
right
back
here,
so
putting
pulling
it
back.
B
You
know
a
little
closer
so
that
we
have
enough
room
to
get
driveways
into
these
areas
and
also
putting
some
nice
balconies
out
there,
where
it's
not
going
to
affect
anyone
else,
because
there's
just
a
big
hill
back
here,
I
think,
would
be
a
really
nice
feature
and
we,
you
know,
really
appreciate
the
consideration
on
those.
As
as
we
talk
about
this,
I
think.
B
B
If
you
want
to
just
look
at
it
right
here,
we
have
some
trees
along
the
property
line
here
that
that
we
very
well
may
keep.
We
haven't
fully
decided
that
yet,
but
I
do
think
we'll
add
a
couple
of
trees
along
here,
along
with
the
grass
and
the
other
things
that
we'll
have
there,
that,
I
think,
will
add
to
the
feeling
of
the
street
and
get
some
greenery.
B
P
Well,
there
are
areas
of
the
city
that
are
that
are
designated
fault
zones
and
prior
to
issuance
of
a
building
permit
the
owner
applicant.
Whatever
needs
to
have
a
geotechnical
report
done
where
typically,
a
backhoe
goes
onto
the
site
and
digs
a
trench,
that's
eight
or
more
feet,
deep,
a
geologist
analyzes
the
trench
to
see
if
we
can
see
evidence
of
fault
rupture
along
these
fault
lines,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
twofold.
One
is
that,
of
course,
if
this
is
a,
there
is
a
fault
line
there.
B
B
P
F
That
said,
if
they
could
in
some
way
consider
communicating
in
a
more
direct
fashion
with
us
in
particular,
my
number
is
801.230.9839
and
I'd
love
to
say
it
a
hundred
more
times
we
I'm
I'm
actually
a
river
guide
by
trade.
I
live
within
200
yards
of
this
building,
my
wife
and
I
manage
21
units
within
200
yards
of
our
home.
That
is
just
directly
east
of
this
building.
We
care
deeply
about
this
neighborhood.
F
Making
personal
contact
with
us
with
your
plans
would
provide
great
neighborly
support.
I
know
this
is
not
the
exact
meaning
of
this
forum.
I
feel,
like
they've,
put
a
ton
of
effort
to
put
forward
a
great
idea
to
landmarks,
for
what
is
a
problematic
little
pie
shaped
piece
in
the
middle
of
our
neighborhood.
Here
I
have
no
objections
to
the
minor
changes
in
setback
and
allowance.
I
feel
like
they've,
looked
appropriately
at
setbacks
from
our
property
and
in
terms
of
the
driver,
entrance,
etc.
F
F
F
So
that's!
It's
really
just
me
using
you
all
as
an
open
forum
to
invite
them
to
to
do
it
old
school,
a
little
bit
and
contact
the
neighbors
and
the
owners
that
are
going
to
be
their
neighbors,
and
you
may
get
a
good
a
great
reply
or
or
report,
that's
just
a
little
frustrating
otherwise.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
E
F
F
M
M
Tutelage
when
the
issue
of
the
contributory
status
was
considered,
this
is
one
of
the
few
historic
buildings
in
town
that
I
would
not
walk
into.
It
is
an
extremely
hazardous
structure
because
of
the
alterations
that
were
made
to
it
without
permits
under
an
owner
sometime
in
the
past.
I
share
commissioner
richardson's
concern
about
the
setback
from
the
fault
that
I
think
is
going
to
be
required,
and
I'm
concerned
that
that
may
precipitate
additional
changes
to
the
site
plan,
because
that
information
is
not
in
front
of
you.
M
I
this
is
purely
aesthetic,
but
this
is
a
very
minimalist
streetscape
with
very
mid-century
modern
buildings,
and
I
find
this
facade
cluttered
and
not
sympathetic
to
the
surrounding
minimalist
buildings,
and
that
is
that's
a
personal
call.
The
trees
on
the
west
property
line
appear
to
be
catalpas
based
on
their
seed
pods
that
are
dangling
down,
but
the
the
screens
were
going
past
very
fast,
but
I
I
don't
think
we're
talking
about
exclusively
what
are
known
as
trash
trees
on
this
site.
I
do
think
I
saw
a
catalpa
thanks.
A
Okay,
so
there
was
one
that
we
received
an
email
after
the
meeting
started
from
oscar
arvizu.
I
apologize
if
I
said
your
name
incorrectly.
Here
is
the
comment.
The
proposal
for
triplex
in
the
lot
in
question
is
not
only
too
small
for
something
that
large
but
also
blocks
the
passage
of
deer
that
cross
there
in
the
winter
from
north
to
south,
and
vice
versa.
A
It
would
also
butt
up
against
a
known
fault
line
next
to
it,
with
other
taller
apartment
complexes
above
on
the
lit
on
the
edge.
This
is
very
concerning
on
many
levels.
We
need
more
open
space,
not
more
apartment
complexes
than
downtown
slc
during
world
war
ii,
that
space
in
front
of
the
old
house
there
now
was
a
victory
garden.
Why
can't
the
city
put
in
open
space
or
a
community
garden
for
the
wildlife
to
cross
there?
A
The
thought
of
cramping
a
bunch
of
apartments
there
now,
instead
of
making
an
open
space
for
the
neighborhood,
reeks
of
greed
on
the
developers
and
the
city
that
will
go
along
with
the
proposed
plan.
Please
keep
this
historical
area
open
and
consider
something
that
will
benefit
the
neighborhood
instead
of
a
development
company.
We
are
not
in
new
york
with
us
with
such
a
limited
amount
of
space
where
they
need
to
build
another
apartment
complex.
A
D
Mr
chair,
we
we
received
an
email,
I'm
not
sure
if
I
believe
it
came
in
a
week
ago,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
you
received
it
in
your
packet,
so
I'd
like
to
read
it
just
to
make
sure
that
it's
on
record
this
is
from
louis
francis,
mr
knight,
I'm
a
joining
property
owner
for
this.
I
am
an
adjoining
property
owner
for
this
proposed
project.
I
looked
at
the
plans
for
the
intended
three-story
three
town
homes
on
that
pizza
slice
parcel
I'm
curious.
D
If
anyone
actually
looked
at
this
site
parcel
is
narrow,
sandwiched
between
existing
homes
and
very
steep
on
the
back
part
going
up
the
hill
to
elizabeth
elizabeth
street
and
the
existing
condo
units
on
piers
directly
above
it.
It's
also
right
on
the
earthquake
fault
line
same
elevation
as
faultline
park.
There
may
also
be
issues
with
access
to
the
property.
The
current
alley
access
is
in
very
poor
condition.
Well,
I'm
not
opposed
to
something
new
going
in
there.
It
needs
to
take
account
of
the
property,
location,
contours,
drainage
and
access.
C
B
B
We
believe
will
definitely
improve
where
this
this
lot
in
this
street,
as
it
has
been
that
way
for
quite
a
few
years
right
now,
and
we
believe
that
this
will
be
a
great
project
that
will
beautify
the
area
and
and
that
you
know
essentially
we're.
We
just
appreciate
the
opportunity
for
your
consideration
for
approval
on
this
project.
E
E
C
L
Yeah,
I
do
kind
of
think
we're
we're
rushing
it
a
bit.
That's
just
my
my
hunch.
It
feels
like
I'm
I'm
going
back
to
some
of
the
stuff
cindy.
We're
saying
I
think.
That's
that's
really
good
input
that
the
surrounding
buildings
are
have
a
mid-century,
modern,
vibe
to
them
and
they're
built
in
the
mid-century
and
they're
contributing
buildings.
So
I
think
that
design
should
probably
be
a
little
bit
more
complementary
to
to
those
buildings.
L
A
lot
of
the
new
construction
and
historic
district
guidelines
stress
that
there
should
be
some
language
between
between
nearby
contributing
buildings,
and
I
just
I
feel
like
that.
The
design
at
this
point
to
me
is
pretty
generic
like
it
could
be
in
any
part
of
the
city.
It's
not
really
site
specific.
L
D
P
D
Yeah,
that's
a
that's
a
perfect
example
of
mid-century
windows
on
that
building,
but
the
thing
that
really
I
don't
mind
the
density.
The
thing
that
bothers
me,
the
most
that
is
really
curious,
is
that
this
is
right
on
a
fault
line.
So
I
think
that's
the
most
important
thing
right
now
is
for
them
to
find
out
how
doable
this
is.
So,
I
think,
a
little
more
study
before
we
go
back
to
voting
on
this
yeah.
H
Robert
this
is
this
is
mike
villa
I
I
feel
exactly
the
same
way
that
that
I
know
the
geotechnical
has
been
started,
but
when
the
fault
zones
fault,
rupture
zones
are
going
to
be
delineated,
they
may
change
this
plan
drastically
because
you're
going
to
have
to
move
the
buildings
away
from
that
zone
once
they
do
and
triangular
sites
are
interesting
sites.
They're,
really
really
tough
to
work
with.
H
H
Outside
of
our
purview,
I
understand
that,
but
I
I
agree
with
john
that
that
I
think
that
there's
there's
not
enough
information
to
say.
Yes,
this
is
the
plan.
Let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
because
I
think
there's
some
things
the
applicant
needs
to
to
have
in
their
pocket
to
know
with
some
maturity
that
this
plan
is
actually
going
to
be
moving,
be
able
to
move
forward.
E
C
G
And
robert
this
you,
you
asked
whether
the
city
would
have
some
stake
in
this
and
when
the
developer
does
present
their
final
construction
documents,
their
plans
for
review
and
permitting,
they
have
to
submit
a
full
set
of
structural
calculations
and
designs
that
will
be
reviewed
and
it's
reviewed
by
typically
a
consulting
structural
engineer
and
if
they
don't
feel
like
it
will
work
for
this
site.
They'll
also
want
to
see
all
the
geotechnical
information,
so
this
will
definitely
become
part
of
the
process.
Even
if
it
isn't
our
purview.
C
G
G
I
think
they've
done
a
fine
job
of
sighting
this
building.
I
like
the
idea
of
them
putting
it
here.
I
commend
the
developer
for
attempting
this,
but
it
seems
like
they're
getting
the
cart
ahead
of
the
horse.
You
got
to
know
what
the
structural
situation
is
in
the
in
the
falls
before
you
can
design
a
building.
G
Now
setting
that
aside,
I
think
I
I
agree
with
what
others
have
said
this
building
the
design
of
this
building.
It
doesn't
really
know
what
it
wants
to
be.
Yet
it's
it's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
cluttered.
It's
trying
it's
saying
a
number
of
different
things.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
simplified
and
clarified
and
it
could
follow
the
mid-century
modern
that
people
have
noted,
or
it
could
be
something
else,
but
right
now,
it's
a
lot
of
things
and
it
needs
to
be
just
one
clean.
E
C
Body,
so
maybe
I
can
say
it
in
a
different
way.
You
know
ken
and
mike
is
or
dave.
I
I
think
we
legally
could
go
ahead
and
decide
if
we
were
ready
to
approve
it.
I
don't
think
we're
ready
to
on
its
design
criteria,
but
if
we
were
it
would
if
they
turn
around
and
then
get
turned
down
because
of
seismic
on
their
building
permit,
then
they
designed
something
new
in
their
back
before
us.
C
L
Well,
can
I
can
I
reinforce
that
a
little
bit,
I'm
looking
at
in
the
staff
report,
page
63,
5a,
building
character.
I
think
that's
the
standard
that
to
me
jumps
out
the
most
that
I
think
could
use
a
little
more
development.
It's
just
saying
the
design
reflects
patterns
of
articulation
and
proportion
established
in
the
historic
context
of
the
block
bait,
so
whether
we
agree
or
not,
on
the
historic
significance
of
the
surrounding
apartment
buildings
they've
been
identified
as
contributing
structures
to
the
historic
district.
C
P
E
This
is
my
my
call
again.
I'm
I'm
happy
to
allow
this
to
be
tabled.
I'm
I
feel
like
I'm
caught
in
a
catch-22:
we're
we're
if
we're
tabling
this
because
of
seismic
issues
and
the
geos
geotext
study
points
that
there
are
none.
Then
I've
been
tabled
for
no
reason
for
a
structural
issue
that
should
be
the
city's
staff
to
determine,
but
not
shouldn't
really
be
the
subject
of
this
this
meeting.
P
C
We're
just
trying
we're
just
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
ask
you
to
go
mike
and
go
back
and
make
some
changes
on
the
architecture,
but
but
in
the
meantime
I
guess
we'll.
We've
asked
you
to
address
this
other
you're
telling
me.
You
already
have
addressed
the
seismic
and
already
been
told
that
that's
not
a
problem.
E
No,
I'm
telling
you
that,
in
our
interactions
with
the
city
building
department,
we
have
already
engaged
a
civil
engineer
to
determine
whether
there
is
or
is
not
an
issue
from
the
preliminary
studies
that
we've
we've
undergone.
We
don't
believe
there
is
an
issue,
so
I
I
guess
I'm
I
owe
you
an
apology.
I
was
misunderstanding:
the
comments
to
be
that
we're
tabling
this
because
of
a
seismic
issue.
That
may
never
be
an
issue
which
I
I
didn't
think
we
were
here
for.
If
we're
tabling
this
for
architectural
reasons,
then
that's
definitely
within
your
purview.
C
Yeah,
let's
do
that?
Let's
table
it
for
that,
but
let's
first,
let's
finish
by
giving
mike
the
input
like
we
would
in
a
study
session
about
what
we'd
like
to
see
changed,
architecturally
and
then
we'd.
Ask
you
mike.
If
you
want
to
try
to
run
the
your
civil
engineer
and
the
rest
of
that
to
ground
just
so
that
look,
you
can
come
back
prematurely
before
that's
done
and
we'll,
and
we
will
have
to
address
that.
I
mean
we'll
have
to
address.
We
only
have
the
jurisdiction
over
what
we
have
jurisdiction
over.
C
So
you
could
do
that.
We're
just
suggesting
that
we
not
end
up
doing
by
you
know
ended
up
coming
back
twice
be
two
more
times
because
you
come
back
once
and
then
your
civil
engineer
and
the
city
get
done
and
decide.
You
do
have
to
do
something
seismically
and
redesign
and
we're
and
we've
wasted
our
time.
So
it'd
be
nice.
If
you
could
do
both
of
those
things
before
you
come
back
to
us
again,
although
we
understand
we
only
have
jurisdiction
over
one
of
those
two
things
that
makes
sense.
C
Yeah,
that's
what
we're
doing
right
now
we're
going
to
give
you
a
table
and
we're
getting
we're
going
to
give
you
our
it's
not
going
to
go
in
the
right.
It's
not
going
to
go
in
any
sort
of
emotion.
It's
just
going
to
be
like
you
get
right
now
on
on
what
we
want
to
see
what
we
might
like
to
see
you
address
we're,
not
we
can't
tell
you
how
to
design
your
place,
but
we
can
give
you
feedback
on
things.
We
might
want
to
see
changed.
C
B
You
know
obviously
there's
some
charm
here
with
some
of
the
things
there
and
I
do
see
that
the
windows
are
set
back,
but
it
is
kind
of
just
a
block.
Building,
all
one
material
and
so
forth
is,
and
the
other
building
is
also
just
one
main
material,
and
that
is
that
kind
of
what
you
guys
are
are
wanting
to
see
so
that
it
looks
more
like
that.
L
I
think
that
would
be
more
helpful,
at
least
on
my
end
than
just
orbiting
through
a
revit
model
that
doesn't
give
us
a
very
tactile
sense
of
the
actual
materiality
of
the
building,
and
I
don't
know
if
it
has
to
be
like
a
mid
set.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
itself
a
mid-century,
modern
building
block,
but
my
question
is
like
what
what
can
you
learn
from
those
buildings?
L
L
B
Mean
I
think
we
can
do
like
you
guys
said
recess
the
windows.
I
think
that's
definitely
something
that
we
could
do,
especially
because
we
had
two
or
three
comments.
That
said,
they
wanted
to
be
similar
to
the
buildings
on
the
block,
and
we
definitely
do
we
do
have
brick.
I
know
in
this.
This
is
more
of
a
rendering
if
you
wanted
to
see
kind
of
with
the
trees
and
the
landscape,
and
that
you
know
one
of
the
things
they
said
is
originally.
B
G
G
G
There
are
references
in
this
to
a
lot
of
different
things
that
are
going
on
in
contemporary
architecture,
as
well
as
traditional
architecture
that
I
don't
think
can
cohabit
very
well
together.
So
I
think
piggybacking
on
what
john
was
saying.
I
I'd
urge
you
to
look
at
some
good
examples
of
modern
classic
modern
architecture.
Mid-Century
modern
see
how
they
deal
with
row,
houses,
triplexes,
small,
small
assemblages
of
buildings
and
see
how
that
might
translate
here.
G
No,
those
are
those
are
vague
kind
of
sounds
like
a
design,
studio
discussion,
but
we
don't.
I
also
don't
want
to
get
into
telling
you
well
that
window
proportion
should
be
you're,
not
following
the
golden
section
or
you
know.
I
want
to
stay
away
from
that,
but
just
kind
of
suggest
you
look
at
some
of
the
historical
precedents
and
see
how
that
might
be
applied
to
your
building.
Here.
B
B
A
Ahead,
if
I
could
follow
on
to
what
canton
just
said
honestly,
like
my
perspective,
is
that
the
solid
to
void
ratio
is
just
it
just.
It
feels
off
in
part
because
there's
kind
of
the
the
darker
material
that
creates
like
an
effect
of
a
solid
void,
but
then
the
windows
themselves
don't
have
they're,
not
they
don't
have
the
same
relationship
to
that
void.
It's
a
different,
it's
a
different
dimension
and
it's
they,
some
of
them
feel
awkwardly
located
and
then
at
the
ground
level.
A
You
have
all
the
doors
that
are
very
privatized,
and
then
you
only
have
the
little
garage
windows
and
the
other
end
of
the
building.
The
end
that
faces
this
lab,
I
think,
is
a
elevation
that
really
needs
to
be
considered,
because
that
is,
you
know
somewhat
of
a
public
face
of
the
building
and
it
needs
to
be
finished
as
a
public
face
of
the
building.
A
So
I
there's
there's
two
things
there.
One
is
kind
of
take
a
take
another
look
at
the
solid
to
void
ratio
for
the
whole
composition,
not
just
the
upper
two
stories,
but
also
at
the
ground
level.
You
know
if
we,
if
we
think
about
this
area,
you
know
we've
heard
from
public
comments
that
people
like
to
walk
through
this
area.
A
Let's
you
know
make
it
feel,
like
a
you
know,
a
real
welcoming
place
for
guests
to
arrive
that
kind
of
thing,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
that
we
have
as
many
presidents
of
mid-century,
that
greet
guests
in
a
very
public
way.
That
would
follow
a
lot
of
urban
design
principles,
but
I
I
think
we
can.
We
can
probably
dig
a
little
deeper
and
find
some
decent
examples
that
do
and
so
that
there's
that
relationship
between
particularly
the
ground
floor
of
the
building
and
how
people
interact
with
it.
K
K
I
think,
as
well
as
the
massing,
along
with
the
roof
lines,
just
looking
at
those
other
structures,
I'm
not
sure
how
accurate
I
haven't.
I
didn't
get
the
chance
to
visit
the
site.
I
know
we
had
a
lot
of
neighbors
call
in
so
I'm
not
100
sure
if
what's
on
google
street
view
is
still
there,
but
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
examples
just
on
that
avenue
that
different
window
proportions
and
sizes
could
be
take
from
as
well
as
roof
lines
but
yeah.
Thank
you,
molly.
K
K
Potentially,
maybe
the
garages
could
be
looked
at
once
again.
That
isn't
a
feature
that
I
know
you
probably
want
that
space
it
to
me,
since
we
don't
have
the
elevation,
what
I'm
seeing
from
this
revit
design.
It
looks
like
a
double
wide
car
garage,
I'm
not
totally
sure,
but
I
think
something
else
that
would
be
helpful
is
if
the
entrances
were
proud
of
the
garage,
since
we
didn't
typically
see
those
garages
in
that
era
and
those
type
of
homes,
so
that's
just
another
thought
of
if
the
entrances
could
potentially
be
more
defined.
D
C
G
E
E
So
I
I
think
we
have
tried
to
incorporate
that.
Maybe
maybe
we've
missed
it,
though,
and
then
the
the
comment
around
this
being
a
walking
area.
This
is
the
end
lot
of
an
alley.
This
is
not
a
walking
area
there.
There
is
no
walking
paths
here,
there's
parking
behind
the
building
to
the
north,
so
I'm
as
as
to
that
comment,
I
I'm
not
understanding
what
you're
asking
us
to
revise.
E
E
G
G
But
it's
you're
right.
They
are.
They
are
vague.
They're
conceptual
they're,
they're
kind
of
fuzzy
design,
geek
kind
of
comments,
but
that's
where
we've
got
to
come
from
in
order
to
do
this,
addressing
specifically
your
the
walking
that
that
it
could
be
a
specific
thing,
how
will
you
address
helping
people
to
walk
out
of
this
building?
G
E
G
B
You
know-
maybe
I
can
just
talk
and
I
do
appreciate.
I
do
think
I
understand
where
you
want.
You
know,
obviously
the
less
busy
and
the
classic
modern
you
want
it
to
to
essentially
take
some
of
the
mid-century
modern
and
put
it
in
there
similar
to
what
some
of
the
other
buildings
on
that
on
the
avenue
there
have.
B
K
P
And
there's
a
lot
of
good
mid-century
modern
out
there
and
the
back
side
of
your
neighbor's
buildings
aren't
necessarily
things
that
you
need
to
follow.
I
think
you
can
follow
your
design
instincts
and
take
this
in
a
good
direction
and
address
the
fact
that
we
do
have
a
walkable
neighborhood,
whether
or
not
it
appears
that
way.
This
is
a
walking
neighborhood.
D
Just
to
tie
this
all
into
actual
standards,
the
I
would
recommend
for
the
applicant
that
there's
a
set
of
standards
that
the
commission
has
to
review,
to
approve
this
project
and
they're
the
standards
for
new
construction
they're
addressed
in
the
staff
report,
and
maybe
with
your
next
submittal.
You
should
bring
in
how
your
proposed
development
meets
those
meets
those
standards.
C
N
A
Nelson,
if,
if
I
could
jump
in
here,
I
think
all
six
of
those
well
not
the
final
design
details
that
we're
delegating
to
seth,
but
but
all
one
through
five
are
definitely
items
that
the
applicant
could
be
could
address
and
they're
they're
all
very
specific
and
provide
great
direction
and
tying
into
some
of
the
earlier
comments
about.
You
know
how
the
building,
because
of
the
awkwardness
of
the
site,
obviously
it
doesn't
front
thistle
abs,
the
way
we
typically
see
other
buildings,
but
a
lot
of
your
comments
or
the
conditions.
A
N
G
D
D
K
C
G
C
C
C
C
E
C
R
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
good
to
be
starting
off
the
fourth
hour
of
of
an
hlc
meeting,
but
maybe
maybe
it'll
either
get
really
really
good
comments,
because
you
guys
are
really
you're,
you're
warmed
up
now
or
you'll,
just
want
to
go
home
and
so
you'll
you'll
give
it
to
me
straight
either
way.
That
sounds
good
to
me.
R
This
is
an
informational
agenda
item
and
no
action
would
be.
I
believe
I
can.
I
can
be
corrected.
I'm
I'm
happy
to
be
corrected,
but
I
do
not
believe
that
any
action
would
be
necessary
because
all
of
the
modifications
to
900
south
would
occur
in
the
public
right-of-way
rather
than
within
the
parcel
that
belongs
to
liberty
park.
F
A
R
R
R
The
things
that
we'll
be
doing
as
part
of
the
project,
in
addition
to
improving
the
condition
of
the
roadway
itself,
is
several
fold
we'll
be
moving
the
south
herb
line
of
900
south
to
the
north,
thereby
narrowing
900
south
itself,
the
the
roadway
but
providing
more
space
for
sidewalks
for
trees,
for
landscaping
and
and
then
introducing
a
new
bicycling
trail
on
the
south
side
of
the
street.
That
is
above
the
curb
in
that
park.
Strip
area
it'll
be
completely
physically
protected
so
that
everybody
feels
comfortable
riding
their
bikes
on
it.
R
As
I
mentioned
before,
all
of
900
south
here
on
the
north
edge
of
liberty
park
is
within
the
public
right-of-way.
This
yellow
line
is
where
the
property
line
is,
and
so
even
this,
this
northernmost
row
of
trees
and
the
grass
that's
underneath
those
trees
is
within
the
right
of
way,
though
the
public
considers
that
obviously
part
of
liberty
park
our
design.
R
This
is
a
very,
very
rough
sketch
that
I
made
before
the
meeting,
but
our
design
will
be
moving.
The
curb
to
roughly
this
location
in
the
existing
road
it'll
take
up
about
a
lane
and
a
half
of
space
which
is
roughly
about
20
feet.
So
this
existing
curb
moves
to
the
north
gets
filled
in
with
grass,
and
with
this
trail
and
a
sidewalk
and
a
trail
do
not
currently
exist
on
this
south
side
of
900
south,
though
you
can
see
a
worn-in
path
where
people
jog
and
that
path
will
remain
undisturbed.
R
R
R
The
trail
avoids
this
row
of
trees
and
we
have
confirmed
with
our
urban
forestry
division
that
the
location
of
the
trail
there
will
not
it'll
actually
reduce
the
impact
on
the
roots,
because,
right
now
the
roots
are
underneath
the
roadway
which
is
which
is
very
deep
and
heavily
engineered
and
constructed
to
withstand
the
traffic.
That
is
on
the
roadway.
As
we
go
to
a
much
lighter
and
shallower
section
for
the
trail
and
then
improve
the
landscaping
around
it.
R
As
we
approach
600
east,
the
signal-
that's
at
600
east
will
remain,
but
some
modifications
to
the
geometry
of
this
intersection
will
be
made
where
we
will
straighten
out
the
crosswalks
and
all
crosswalks
of
900
south
will
be
much
shorter
than
they
are
today.
Today
you
have
to
walk
from
this
corner
diagonally
over
to
this
ramp,
which
is
very
difficult
for
people
with
disabilities,
not
knowing
especially
vision
impairment,
not
knowing
where
the
ramp
is
going
to
be
on
the
other
side
of
the
diagonal
crosswalk.
R
We
will
move
this
island
here
on
the
on
that
north
entrance
of
liberty
park
to
the
north.
Continuing
to
have
traffic
exiting
the
park
turn
right
only
and
then
we
will
extend
this
channel
here
and
the
median
barrier
that
is
in
place
to
the
north,
so
that
the
bicycle
can
can
come
up
here.
Push
the
button
and
cross
the
street
again
with
a
much
narrower
shorter
crossing
than
they
currently
do.
R
As
we
move
to
the
east,
the
bus
stop
that
is
currently
located
right
here
will
be
relocated
to
the
far
side
of
700
east
right
here,
which
helps
not
only
traffic
flow
but
improve
service
for
the
bus,
because
they
don't
stop
for
the
stop
and
then
stop
for
the
red
light.
They
make
it
through
the
light,
and
then
they
stop.
R
The
people
who
are
walking
and
biking
are
crammed
into
this.
Very
small
corner
will
have
a
much
larger
corner,
plaza
area
to
queue
either
for
bike
traffic
on
the
north
or
walking
traffic
on
the
south
and
then
east
of
the
park.
They
will
again
separate
into
sidewalk
for
walking
only
and
bike
trail
or
bicycling.
Only
putting
the
users
out
here
rather
than
back
here
also
gives
them
much
better
visibility,
not
only
from
traffic.
That's
turning
right,
but
from
this
traffic.
R
That's
turning
left
so
that
they're
not
hidden
behind
trees,
they're
out
where
the
street
lighting
can
eliminate
them
and
it'll
be
a
shorter
and
and
much
safer
crossing.
We're
also
working
with
the
utah
department
of
transportation,
which
manages
700
east
to
stop
this
right
turn,
and
this
left
turn
from
starting
until
the
pedestrian
and
bicycle
has
the
chance
to
move
about
four
or
five
seconds
into
the
intersection
again,
so
that
they're
definitely
more
visible.
R
R
D
R
R
L
R
R
About
these
are
those
historic
pedestals
with
the
the
hanging
plants
up
top
the
trail
itself.
If
we
were
to
look
at
that
monument
and
then
pan
to
the
west,
the
trail
will
be
about
here
in
that
lane.
That's
currently
occupied
by
the
outside
lane
of
traffic,
as
it
gets
close
to
600
east.
It
will
bend
in
so
that
there's
approximately
a
car
lengths
distance
between
the
crosswalk
and
the
street
so
that,
as
a
cart
turns
in
they
don't
immediately
turn
across
a
crosswalk.
They
have
a
chance
to
slow
down.
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Great
and
it's
funny
because
because
the
north
entrance
is
much
deeper
than
the
south
entrance,
but
the
south
entrance
has
the
trail,
it
has
the
jogging
path
that
has
the
you
know
all
the
the
kind
of
the
goat
trails
as
well
all
crammed
into
like
20
feet,
and
this
one.
You
do
have
a
little
bit
more
space
to
play
with
and
there
will
be
even
more
space
to
play
with
in
the
future.
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So
if
there
are
possibilities
or
ideas
that
this
commission
or
others
would
like
to
propose,
we
are,
we
are
looking
for
those
we're,
basically
just
looking
for
anywhere
that
is
technically
feasible,
first
and
then,
following
up
with
with
those
that
own
property
or
or
our
stakeholders
nearby.
So
if
that's
something
that
that
historic,
landmark
commission
is
interested
in,
we
can
look
at
the
technical
feasibility
of
of
such
a
an
implementation.
On
that,
I
think
what
was
made
mentioned
was
that
north
west
corner
the
fifth
east
corner
of
liberty
park.
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That
that
would
be
storm.
Water
filtering
would
be
of
interest
and
compatible
with
the
uses
in
the
park.
I
think
we
definitely
have
space
in
that
corner.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
permission
or
or
the
groundwater
filtration
that
we
would
need
to
technically
do
it
yeah.
So
I
would
leave
that
up
to
you
guys
and
to
the
experts.
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We'll
put
out
a
percent
for
art
proposal,
get
the
salt
lake
arts
council
involved
get
some
sort
of
moving
water
thing
where
it
can.
It
can
not
tumble
and
splash,
make
sound,
but
then
also
filter
through
and
get
uv
light
and
do
whatever
you
need
to
get
the
storm
water
dealt
with.
But
I
guess
we
keep
people
out
of
it,
though
too.