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From YouTube: Board of Commissioners August 26, 2019
Description
Budget Work Session
A
A
C
A
Like
to
remind
to
everyone
that
the
purpose
of
tonight's
meeting
is
for
the
Board
of
Commissioners
to
study
issues
together
and
analyze
information
and
to
clarify
questions,
no
votes
are
conducting
during
the
work
sessions.
No
public
comments
will
be
allowed
tonight
on
the
budget.
However,
it
will
be
allowed
during
the
two
public
hearings
that
we
have
scheduled
for
Wednesday
September
4th
and
Tuesday
September
17
at
6:30
p.m.
A
in
the
last
two
budget
work
sessions
we'll
cover
a
lot
on
the
first
budget
session,
which
was
on
July
16,
would
discuss
the
general
fund
and
the
Enterprise
Fund
on
the
second
budget
session
would
discuss
a
CA
P,
the
CRA
salaries.
We
also
discussed
the
follow
ups
from
the
first
session
tonight,
we'll
be
cussing
follow-ups
and
finish
up
the
budget
to
be
ready
for
the
public
hearing
scheduled
for
September,
4th
and
September
17,
and
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
tonight
is
follow-up.
D
E
Good
evening
mayor
commissioners,
Ron
hearing
finance
director,
as
you
say,
we're
in
the
third
budget
work
session
for
the
fiscal
year
2020
budget,
and
we
just
have
the
one
slide
here
and
I
tried
to
put
the
hand
out
in
front
of
your
in
your
desk
there.
Somebody
if
it's
easier,
see
that
way,
but
I'll
just
go
over
it,
where
we
left
off
from
from
the
last
budget
workshop.
E
We
had
some
capital
items,
Hibiscus
roads,
stormwater
improvements.
It
was
a
consensus
to
move
it
from
the
penny
fund,
120,000,
leaving
splitting
it
half
and
half
leaving
60,000,
and
the
penny
fund
and
60,000
was
going
to
the
stormwater
fund.
Since
it
involved
a
stormwater
fun,
we
had
extend
Pinellas
Trail.
It
was
a
consensus.
It
was
all
on
the
penny
fun
before
271,000
309.
It
is
now
split
between
the
penny
fund.
135
thousand
655
and
the
other
portion
is
a
recreation
impact
fund,
135,000
654,
shuffleboard
courts.
E
It
was
a
consensus,
it
was
in
the
recreation
impact
to
take
it
out
the
15,000,
their
Prius.
It
was
a
consensus,
it
was
in
the
general
fund,
but
in
the
cemetery,
perpetual
care
fund
25,000,
it
was
eliminated
from
the
budget
and
then
going
to
the
CRA.
We
had
the
plan
update.
It
was
a
consensus.
It
was
budgeted,
75
thousand.
We
reduced
it
to
25
thousand
so
at
least
the
balance
available
for
CRA
projects
of
$50,000,
and
then
we
got
down
to
the
unfunded
list,
and
these
are
items
of
BLC
would
like
to
see
funded.
E
We
just
mentioned
again.
We,
the
millage
rate,
was
reduced
from
from
five
point
four:
three
to
five
point:
three:
seven,
that's
a
realization
of
eighty
eight
thousand,
seventy
nine
reduction
and
just
as
a
reference,
millage
rate
reduction
per
every
point.
Zero
one
is
seventeen
thousand
seven,
fifty
nine
and
then
going
up
Midway
to
the
top
right
portion,
their
funding
request
or
the
request
for
funding.
We
homeless
leadership,
five
thousand
dollars,
neighborly
no
stated
amount
and
Family
Center
on
Deafness
one
thousand
and
then
additional
Commission
requests.
B
D
Tentatively
again,
that's
something
for
you
know,
discussion
tonight,
but
that's
where
I
put
that
the
fund
and
again
those
other
cat.
Those
are
not
set
the
ones
in
the
125.
So
anything
from
any
of
those
other
categories
or
anything
addition
can
be
moved
in
and
something
from
this
column
can
be
moved
out
and
I
think
that's
the
purposes,
meeting
the
finalizes
and
finally
place
and
get
consensus
of
what
items
to
go
in
the
budget.
What
to
go
on
our
wish
list
to
do
it
in
later
time.
A
D
A
D
B
D
D
A
A
F
G
Do
that
okay,
I
dysentery
I
just
thought
that
it
was
a
good,
a
good
placeholder,
a
worthy,
obviously
a
project,
that's
relative
to
what
we're
talking
about
and
a
good
place
to
stick
the
money.
I
just
don't
know
that
it's
gonna
cost
us
one
hundred
and
thirty.
Five
thousand
for
the
entryway,
so
I
mean
I,
know
that
it's
an
in
as
need,
but
I
mean
you
know
being
that
it
is
we're
going
over
this
budget.
G
Pretty
much
line
item
by
line
item
I
would
just
propose
something
that
we
maybe
thought
would
it
would
come
in
and
then
reduce
the
additional
monies
by
that
I
mean
if
we
all
thought
that
we
would
budget
a
hundred
grand
for
it.
Then
we
can
take.
You
know
another
thirty,
five
thousand
dollars
out
of
the
budget
I
mean
I,
know
that
we
can
then
go
back
and
get
the
money.
G
G
D
F
Thanks
mayor
I
just
want
to
shed
a
little
light
on
this
one
I,
don't
just
watching
what
some
of
the
engineering
costs
have
been
for,
like
the
Gateway
signs.
So
just
this
is
just
a
rough
analysis
and
based
on
talking
some
artists
to
of
like
what
a
bronze
statue
may
cost
and
some
other
aspects.
So
the
engineering
Alone's
me
about
probably
ten
thousand
dollars,
which
sounds
like
a
lot
to
me,
but
that's
realistic
from
within
an
engineering
study
cost
or
something
like
this,
a
full-size
bronze
statues
about
sixty
thousand.
F
So
if
we
want
to
do
more
than
one
bronze
statue,
it's
gonna
be
taking
up
about
120
thousand
right,
then
you're
not
talking
about
if
you're
doing
an
archway
or
not
that's
unknown.
We're
gonna,
that's
gonna
happen,
or
is
this
gonna
be
a
monument
statue
on
top
of
a
pedestal?
That's
unknown
so
I
would
say.
135
is
actually
a
number
that
would
could
be
hit
pretty
quickly
with
the
type
of
statue
that
I
think
the
board's
been
looking
for
for
this
area.
F
So
I
don't
think
it's
a
terrible
move
to
leave
135
in
there,
but
it's
valid
because
I
had
the
same
questions
with
the
Gateway
signs,
because
there,
when
I
saw
the
budget
every
when
I
saw
some
of
the
the
cost
that
came
back.
I
was
scratching
my
head,
like
that's
a
ton
of
money
for
these
signs
but
stuff
that
needs
to
be
done.
F
I
think
if
it
was
10
years
ago,
we
could
do
it
no
problem
with
75,000,
but
the
issues
I
think
that
the
cost
of
this,
the
building
material
and
some
of
the
other
items
there's
just
a
greater
demand
for
it.
So
the
cost
has
skyrocketed
over
the
past
few
years,
but
I
think
the
valid
point.
When
you
bring
up
I.
F
G
Have
an
issue
leave
it
in
the
budget.
I
just
I
mean
obviously
the
better
the
product,
the
more
it's
gonna
cost.
But
given
the
way
we
you
know,
given
the
way
projects
go,
sometimes
I.
Just
think
that
you
might
see
this
hundred
and
thirty-five
thousand
dollars.
You
know
and
it'd
still
be
budgeted
for
this
coming
cycle
without
I
haven't
spent
the
money
in
the
next
budget
year.
So
you
know,
in
which
case
it's
still
holding
the
place
but
I'm
you
know
it
could
very
easily
cost
them.
G
I
A
H
D
H
G
F
A
couple
things
I
want
to
point
out:
I
think
you
all
probably
received
my
email
over
the
weekend
or
on
Friday
more
which
day
I
sent
it.
But
it
was
a
summary
of
the
discussions
under
the
topic
that
we
had
last
budget
meeting
about
some
alternatives
that
could
be
done
within
the
CRA
to
try
to
build
up
the
area,
spruce
it
up,
some
more
put
some
more
character
into
the
downtown
CRA
district.
F
So
just
a
few
things
I
wanted
to
touch
on
again
and
see
if
we
could
come
up
in
census
to
direct
the
city
manager
on
a
route
to
go.
As
a
reminder,
this
presentation
shows
that
there's
50,000
available
in
this
budget
cycle
because
it
was
reduced
for
the
CRA
Plan
Update
from
75
to
25,000,
but
there's
still
additional
funds
within
the
CRA
and
on,
if
you
mind,
do
you
have
that
number?
You.
E
Know
what
we
presented
at
the
last
minute,
I
think
that
was
asked
at
the
end
of
this
fiscal
year.
2019
there
will
be
three
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
available
into
CRA.
So
that's
what
could
be
used
out
of
the
CRA?
The
50,000
is
already
in
there.
There
would,
in
addition,
be
an
additional
320,000.
It's.
F
So
that's
just
a
reminder
to
the
board
that
there's
a
good
amount
of
money
in
this
fund.
It's
good
to
have
the
CRA
build
up
over
the
years
to
do
larger
projects,
but
I
just
want
to
have
that
as
a
discussion
topic
and
just
gonna
get
the
board
thinking
as
a
whole.
So
the
first
thing
that
I
one
of
the
items
I
discussed
was
an
archway
over
trail
and
my
thought
was
over.
It
was
on
the
south
side
of
tarpon
Avenue,
something
that
you
I
think
that
needing
has
something
similar.
A
F
You
could
have
some
railroad
sign
signage
on
there
to
resemble
the
railroad
and
some
of
the
history
that
it's
been
there
before
in
the
past.
So
I
don't
know
that
what
that
would
cost,
but
I
think
it
would
be
something
that
would
add
character
to
the
district.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
the
rest
of
the
board
feels
that
way
or
not.
F
A
D
G
What
I
would
propose
is
all
dress
commissioner
cars
proposal,
but
what
I
would
say
is
that
on
the
list
that
he
sent
out
if
like
if
we
focused
on
what's
in
this
budget
tonight
as
far
as
what's
the
next
thing
for
the
CRA,
like
that
three
hundred,
seventy
thousand
isn't
going
anywhere.
So
being
that
it's
for
this
coming
budget,
I.
Think
if
you
did
want
to
have
a
you
know,
an
item
on
the
CRA
agenda
that
wanted
to
address
beautification
or
just
the
railroad
arm
in
in
general.
G
That
I
don't
think
that
there
would
be
any
restriction
to
bring
that
forward
as,
like
the
commissioner
initiative
right
so
I
mean.
But
that
said
I
do
support
it.
I
mean
I
supported
it
years
ago.
When
we
looked
at
it
but
I
guess
it
was
determined
that
it
was
not
feasible
because
of
the
ramp
going
up
on
Tarpon
Avenue,
but
to
then
you
know
just
orient
it
in
another
manner
to
where
it
goes
over
the
trail
and
we
go
act
as
the
same
thing
with
basically
the
same
feature
than
I.
You
know.
G
A
F
Those
ideas
just
to
get
some
thoughts,
moving,
I
I,
obviously
I-
want
to
see
the
funds
spent
within
the
CR
aid
to
help
build
the
CRA
district
up
further
I
know
there's
some
other
projects
that
we're
trying
to
do
around
town
for
beautification
and
just
to
make
tarpon
springs
more
unique
and
have
more
character.
So
that's
all
this
list
was
really
about
from
the
lights
to
the
signage,
and
those
are
things
that
we've
discussed
in
the
past,
but
there's
a
one
more
important
thing:
I
think
I.
A
A
F
I
mean
my
thought
process.
Is
you?
Take
the
fence
down
and
put
some
grass
out
there
and
you
put
a
wee-wee
print,
some
large
old
pictures
of
downtown
or
some
old
buildings,
and
we
just
put
them
up
to
where
people
were
walking
downtown.
They
could
see
what
downtown
used
to
look
like
and
also
market
it,
because,
right
now
you
walk
by
it.
There's
got
a
fence,
there's
crush
pavement
and
it
looks
terrible
and
doesn't
really
add
any
beauty
to
our
downtown
and
then.
A
F
There's
no
for
sale
sign
out
there
any
longer
that
says
this
is
for
sale
within
the
CRA.
If
you
have
an
idea,
bring
it
forward
to
the
CRA
or
the
economic
developer
and
then
they'll
bring
it
forward
right
so
I
mean
almost
every
property
drive
by
that's
for
sale.
You
see
a
for
sale,
sign
right
and
that's
just
common
sense.
101
I
would
say
for
that.
But
the
one
thing
that's
important
in
Maher
I
know
we
touched
on
it.
F
C
F
Looking
forward
for
the
projects
to
move
forward,
so
that's
why
I
was
trying
to
get
the
ball
rolling
with
these
I
know.
We
need
a
CRA
meeting
to
really
dig
into
this
further
I
think
it's
best
to
do
that
in
that
setting.
But
since
we're
talking
about
budgets
and
things
along
those
lines,
I
really
think
it's.
These
are
some
items
that
could
really
help
benefit.
Tarpon
springs.
A
A
A
A
H
I
was
just
gonna
give
people
what
they
want
when
they
want
it
are
we
gonna
come
up
with
plan
because
we
don't
have
one
right
now,
we're
just
you
know:
leadership
I
mean
homeless
leadership,
board
I
was
on
for
years,
and
we
gave
him
$5,000
each
year,
but
then
we
didn't
last
year,
I
wasn't
on
the
board,
but
now
they're
asking
for
it
again.
So
what
are
we
gonna
do
to
to
have
some
kind
of
criteria
or
plan
or
how
we're
going
to
fund
others.
H
H
I
Yeah
I
think
I
think
labeling
it
as
giving
money
to
whoever
wants
it
or
breaking
it
down
by
each
application
is
somewhat
misleading.
What
happened
with
the
junior
splendors
organization?
Wasn't
them
requesting
money
just
like
any
other
nonprofit
was
I
mean
this
was
almost
an.
It
was
an
emergency
expense,
it
wasn't
like
it
was
them
versus
any
other
sports
or
any
anything
like
that.
I
mean
they're
defunct.
They
do
not
have
a
season.
This.
H
Organization,
you
know
quite
a
few,
it
may
eventually
need
money
from
us,
so
not
for
this
particular
case,
but
you
know
other
cases
in
the
future.
Are
we
gonna
have
some
type
of
criteria
for
how
we're
going
to
budget
money
or
organizations
like
that?
Are
we
going
to
put
$50,000
aside
and
say?
Whoever
comes
to
us?
H
You
know
we,
you
know
we
have
five
thousand
for
you
and
we
have
a
thousand
for
you
whatever
it
is,
or
are
we
just
gonna
give
money
out
every
time
somebody
asks
us,
even
if
it's
an
emergency
or
there
might
be
another
emergency
that
comes
up
but
I
just
think
we
have
to
have
a
plan
and
we
have
to
know
what
we're
willing
the
budget
or
for
these
types
of
situations,
I.
Don't.
I
Think
this
is
giving
money
to
anybody
that
asks
us
I
mean
that's
why
we
have
these
requests
for
funding.
That's
why
we
have
these
work
sessions,
so
we
can
go
over
it
tonight
again,
I
mean
if
these
are
youth
programs
that
are
going
bankrupt
or
they're
not
able
to
get
the
registered
players.
I
mean
we'll
help.
B
I
I
think
it's
it's
apples
to
oranges,
comparing
junior
spongers
football
who
needed
emergency
money
to
pretty
much
any
nonprofit
that
might
just
ask
for
money
or
submit
an
application,
or
anything
like
that.
I
think
they're,
totally
different
situations,
I
think
one
is
an
emergency
basis
for
a
youth
program
that
helps
our
communities.
H
A
I
Mean
I
pretty
much
said
my
piece
on
it
at
the
last
meeting.
I
will
remind
commissioner
Seaver
at
the
last
work
session
prior
to
our
meeting.
I
did
bring
up
our
grant
funding
that
we
that
we
give
and
not
our
grant
funding
is
in
the
grants
that
we
get,
but
what
we
give
back
to
our
community
and
our
nonprofits
and
I
compared
it
to
several
other
communities.
I
You
know
Clearwater,
Pinellas,
Park,
I,
think
I
also
brought
up
Dunedin
and,
and
we
were
giving
less
than
them
to
our
nonprofits
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
we're
just
getting
money
to
anybody
that
asked
for
it
or
money
to
whoever
wants
it.
As
you
put
it
I
just
think
in
terms
of
priorities.
If
any
youth
program
is
in
danger
of
going
under
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to
step
up
and
fund
and
I
think
I.
Think
in
terms
of
deliberating
and
deciding
who
gets
money.
I
H
I
A
A
D
D
Get
consensus
and
then
replace
it
in
good.
You
go
down
through
all
these,
and
then
you
get
to
the
ones.
Not
fun
didn't
want
to
put
them
in
we're
going
back
to
these,
so
I
think
it
would
facilitate
things
that
are
saying
these
things
that
aren't
in
the
125
funding
that
we
identify
and
then
figure
we're
in
this
list.
We're
going
to
replace
with
them.
What's
the
least
important
to
take
out
goes
right
off
the
bat,
the
tent,
the
Savin
house,
electronic
gate
and
back
the
wait.
D
A
D
C
A
G
D
F
There's
an
exterior
painting,
there's
a
replacement
of
cabinets
and
door
replacement.
I
would
support
the
paint
of
the
exterior,
but
I
would
not
support
the
replacement
of
cabinets
and
door
replacement.
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
breakout
is
a
differences
but
I
think
being
in
Florida
and
the
issues
that
we've
seen
with
other
buildings
that
we
need
to
continue
to
keep
paint
on
the
wood
buildings.
C
A
A
D
G
Sure,
okay,
my
thing
with
the
Heritage
Museum
is,
and
it
has
been
for
a
long
time.
We
just
never
got
anywhere
with
the
ten
years
ago,
when
I
was
on
the
budget.
Advisory
Committee
there's
a
kitchen
in
there
right.
We're
gonna
spend
20
grand
in
there
now
after
money
that
would
just
spend
on
an
air
conditioner,
and
you
know,
storm
water
damage
and
this
and
that
it's
underutilized
it
has
been
for
a
long
long
time.
We
we
have
to
start
better
utilizing
that
city
asset.
G
In
my
opinion,
I
mean
whether
we
it's
a
wet
because
you
know
is
available
for
a
wedding
venue
or
whatever
the
case
may
be
I
to
me.
I
can't
keep
on
spending
good
money
after
bad
on
something
that
I
don't
see
being
utilized
with
exception
to
a
few
events
here
and
there
that
are
attended
by
you
know.
That's
that's
my
perspective.
Maybe
it's
utilized
more
so
than
I'm
thinking
but
I
mean
to
me.
G
There's
no
reason
why
we
can't
better
utilize
that
city
facility
or
building
or
whatever,
especially
if
we're
going
to
spend
$20,000
on
updating
no
I,
mean
I'm
happy
to
discuss
that
at
a
different.
You
know
not
this
meeting,
but
that's
just
my
take
on
they
here.
The
Heritage
Museum
I
want
to
take
care
of
our
of
our
assets,
but
at
the
same
time,
when
their
own
underutilized,
that
makes
my
skin
crawl.
H
Actually,
it
is
utilized,
probably
more
than
you
know,
the
TRC
meetings
are
there.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
organist,
not
terracing
meetings
they
towards
development.
Many
meetings,
yeah,
are
hell
they're
a
lot
of
the
organizations
like
the
Women's
Club,
and
you
know
some
of
the
Greek
Association
serious,
there's
quite
a
few
events
there.
Actually,
but
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
spend
the
money
on
that
kitchen
I've
been
in
that
kitchen
working.
F
Initially,
I
think
during
the
last
meeting
the
discussion
I
was
one
that
actually
brought
it
up.
I
was
the
paint
and
then
not
to
do
the
exit
door
to
the
kitchen
floors
at
all.
Again,
if
the
exterior
it's,
if
it's
mostly
wood,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
has
paint
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
paint
proposal
was
for
interior
or
exterior.
It's
not
specific
on
this.
So
if
it's
for
interior
I
wouldn't
necessarily
support
the
interior
paint
right
now,
but
exterior
I
would
support
that
exterior
paint
when.
D
A
G
A
nice
fresh
got
in
there
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
plaster
repair,
a
certain
portion
of
that
isn't
covered
in
our
scope
of
service
right
now,
with
the
window
replacement,
I'm
sure
it
is,
though
I
don't
want
to
just
I
mean
the
you
know,
whatever
plaster
repair.
Maybe
it's
not
anywhere
raining.
G
F
F
Know
we've
got
some
skilled
tradesmen
that
can
do
plaster,
and
it
just
seems
like
a
lot
for
twenty-five
thousand
right
for
interior
for
plaster
and
paint,
but
I
think
we
could
probably
get
that
done
for
under
fifteen,
at
least
but
I
support.
This
for
sure.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
building
is
investing
so
much
in
the
outside.
I
think
the
inside
needs
to
look
just
as
good.
I
A
A
D
G
G
A
F
A
F
D
Shady
and
I'm
thinking
we
just
made
a
higher
if
he
accepts
the
job
that
has
some
experience
to
help
us
to
so
that
made
me
more
comfortable.
We
may
be
able
to
do
it
with
that.
I'm,
not
sure,
but
we
hired
somebody
and
he
comes
from
Full
Sail
University,
and
they
do
a
lot
of
that
stuff
and
he
did
some
work
for
the
agriculture
in
the
state
on
that.
So
we
may
have
some
in-house
help
with
him.
He
accepts
the
job
where
I'm
thinking
is
going
to
be
anywhere.
D
A
I
D
D
F
Also,
the
software
T
that
comes
along
with
these.
It
is
sticker
shock
because
I
do
see
some
of
it
from
a
procurement
side
of
my
work.
I'm
always
surprised
with
some
of
the
software
is.
That
goes
along
with
them
to
be
able
to
do
the
fun
toys
and
tools
that
you
need
to
write
on
the
tablets
and
the
save
it
in
certain
ways
and
etc.
But
yeah,
it's
I'm
right
there
with
you,
but
it's.
A
G
F
G
A
I
You,
sir,
that,
yes,
sir
I,
will
the
homeless
leadership
board
does
a
lot
of
great
work
for
our
county.
This
is
something
that
we
previously
funded
when
we
had
a
member
on
their
board
and
then
I
think
when
we
didn't
have
any
rappers
representation
on
the
board,
we
took
it
off,
which
makes
sense.
I
am
a
representative
on
that
board.
Now
I
really
enjoy
the
work
that
we're
doing
around
the
county.
I
The
homelessness
that
the
community
sees.
But
I
would
definitely
advocate
for
also
a
company
in
the
funding,
with
a
letter
detailing
whether
it's
working
with
the
Shepherd
Center,
whether
it's
expanding
the
cold
night
shelters
in
the
winter,
or
something
like
that,
because
I
think
they
can't
be
doing
more
in
North,
County
and
I
am
advocating
for
that.
But
it
would
mean
a
lot
more
if
they
came
from
our
entire
board
in
the
form
of
a
letter
similar
to
what
we
sent
the
county
regarding
Fred
Howard
Park,.
H
H
C
F
Up
I'm,
not
okay,
with
that
right
now
and
here's
my
thought
process
behind
it.
Commissioner
Donovan,
brought
up
a
point
of
this
board,
focuses
more
clearwater
south
right
and
not
north
Pinellas,
so
I'm
happy
that
cannot
Mission
Donovan's
up
there
advocating
for
us,
but
if
they're
not
really
paying
attention
to
north
Pinellas
I
mean
we
can
potentially
put
these
funds
to
use
somewhere
in
our
own
town
right
address
the
homeless
issue.
F
But
if
it's
putting
the
funds
over
to
the
police
department
to
help
out
with
the
homeless
outreach
that
they
have,
there
I'm
not
sure
what
that
would
look
like,
but
I'm
totally
for
finding
some
way
to
help
out
the
homeless,
the
chronic
homeless,
the
people
that
are
falling
hard
times,
but
I
don't
think
granting
this
board
down
in
South
Pinellas.
That
really
doesn't
show
I
haven't
seen
at
least
that
they
care
about.
F
Tarpon
springs
is
the
wisest
decision
right
now
to
do
in
our
budget
and
as
a
reminder
to
the
residents
pay
on
their
millage
rate
to
the
county
over
nine
million
dollars
a
year,
and
it's
I
think
the
county
is
responsible
responsibility
to
fund
this.
From
their
perspective,
so
the
taxpayers
of
Tarpon
Springs
are
already
paying
this
to
the
Pinellas
County
I.
Don't
think
it's
something
that
the
taxpayers
should
be
paying
a
second
time
in
Tarpon
Springs.
H
H
A
G
Fine
with
doing
that,
if
I
may
speak,
but
I
would
also
say
that
not
funding
it
now,
it
obviously
puts
mr.
Donovan
in
a
little
bit
of
a
pickle
right,
but
not
funding.
It
might
give
him
a
stronger
voice
to
say
to
the
board.
Look.
My
board
doesn't
see
anything
from
your
board.
That's
why
we
did
fun
I
think
but
I
mean
obviously
don't
want
to
put
him
in
the
position
position
to
do
that,
but
it
might
give
you
a
little
bit
more.
You
know
negotiating
powers
well,.
I
Yeah
I
think
Commissioner,
Khare
and
vice
mayor
make
a
great
point
again.
I
just
believe,
as
a
representative
of
the
homeless
leadership
board
that
you
know,
we
give
them
a
chance
with
5,000
this
year.
I
can
constantly
keep
keep
annoying
them
and
keep
reminding
them
about
North,
County
and
hopefully,
maybe
even
come
up
with
some
ideas
of
my
own
on
how
we
can
help
North
County.
But
again,
if
that's
the
board's
decision,
that's
the
board's
decision.
A
C
F
A
A
A
H
A
G
Can
I
just
get
some
clarification
on
some
some
of
these
other
unfunded
things?
First,
not
that
you
know
a
couple:
grands
gonna
make
us
or
break
us,
but
if
I
could
run
on
some
of
these
other
things
that
say,
additional
Commission
requests
like
on
the
Sponge
Docks
beside
grant.
Thirty
to
forty
five,
that's
not
been
funded,
correct,
no.
G
E
A
G
H
I
was
just
saying:
there's
funding
there
and
and
I
don't
discuss
it
now
or
later,
but
all
these
things
we
could
fund
if
we
left
the
military
where
it
is
I
feel
like
there
might
be
a
recession
coming
and
why?
Why
give
our
citizens
two
dollars
and
I
sleuth?
Ninety
thousand
I
just
don't
think
it
makes
any
sense
and
I'm
I'm
I'm
very
opposed
to
it.
A
H
But
I'm
saying
there's
80
there's
ninety
thousand
eighty,
eight
thousand
seven
hundred
ninety
five
that
we're
going
to
lose
to
you
know.
What's
the
reason
for
us
doing,
is
it
political
I
just
don't
understand
the
reason
behind
it
and
I'm
I'm
just
against
it,
because
we
could
fund
some
of
these
other
things
if
we
left
the
military,
where
it
is
these
things
that
are
all
unfunded
here,
so
I
just
wanted
to
tell
ya
how
I
feel
about
it.
H
A
F
I
may
I
would
support
two
thousand
two
neighborly
I
think
it's
important.
What
c'mere
I'm
sorry
Commissioner
Sieber
brought
up
earlier
about
having
some
type
of
guidelines
of
how
the
city's
gonna
give
money
away
our
grant
money
to
nonprofit
organizations
I
think
it's
important
to
have
some
type
of
application
process
to
be
able
to
see.
Excuse
me
to
be
able
to
see
their
full
funds
to
be
able
to
see
what
their
total
ministration
cost
is.
F
These
are
all
important
things
when
you're
evaluating
when
you
want
to
give
personally
I
think
to
nonprofits
at
least
myself
I
would
want
to
evaluate
what's
administration
cost
actual
funds
that
are
given
out
ratio.
Is
it
about
thirty
percent?
What's
the
national
average,
it's
above
thirty
percent,
you
might
be
looking
at
a
mismanaged
fun
and
at
that
point
there
you're
spending
more
money
amongst
their
board
than
actually
giving
out
to
the
people
that
actually
need
it
right.
F
I,
don't
know
what
that
number
looks
like,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
have
some
type
of
criteria,
and
here
so
it
does
make
it
a
little
more
difficult
just
to
say.
Well,
we've
got
a
nice
letter
from
them
to
do
some
nice
things,
which
is
being
my
I,
have
grandparents
that
are
elderly
and
live
in
the
area.
I
totally
understand
the
need
and
I
completely
support
anything
we
can
do
to
help
the
more
mature
population
that
are
live
amongst
us.
H
A
A
D
I
Yeah
I
think
something
that
kind
of
goes
a
long
way,
especially
when
you're
applying
for
money
with
really
any
organization
is
really
just
showing
up
and
making
a
pitch
or
at
least
being
present
in
the
community
and
again
perhaps
they
are
but
like
quickly
googled
them.
You
know
when
I,
when
I
saw
this
and
I
just
don't
know
that
there's
any
specific
tarpon
springs
outlets
that
they
have
I
know
they
weren't
at
any
city
meetings
or
anything
like
that,
or
at
least
no
other
representatives
reached
out
to
us.
A
D
D
H
D
Seventy
five
hundred
matching-
you
know
they
put
in
up
to
7,500
weed
mat.
You
don't
have
to
use
that
using
that
number.
For
instance,
right
now
with
a
twenty
five,
you
could
do
three
at
that,
which
is
twenty
two
thousand
five
hundred.
If
you
blurred
it,
the
five
thousand.
Imagine
obviously
you
could
do
you
got
to
figure
out
what
the
match
is.
The
number
of
the
30
to
the
forty-five
was
funding,
four
of
them
at
30
or
six
of
them.
45.
D
H
A
F
F
D
A
F
Got
one
item
that
I'd
like
to
discuss
that
we've
talked
about
in
years
past
a
couple
times
and
that's
about
the
the
signage
is
at
our
city
parks
and
our
city.
Buildings
and
I
made
a
presentation
a
couple
times
and
discuss
that
we
have
about
19
different
signs
amongst
the
parks
and
city
buildings
and
that
there's
really
no
continuity
across
all
parts
and
buildings
that
are
owned.
The
city
and
that
is
an
important
part,
I
think
of
the
city
to
have
the
same
sign
across
the
most.
F
The
most
similar
signs
that
we
have
or
the
older
Rhea
signs
that
are
painted
there,
like
the
old
dockings
they
put
in
and
they've
really
served
their
time
and
they've
done
well
over
the
years.
But
these
need
to
be
updated
and
that's
something
that
we've
talked
about
as
a
board
and
we've
entered
an
agreement
and
past
boards
that
we
need
to
move
forward
and
I
talked
to
the
city
manager
that
it
might
be
an
opportunity
that,
because
of
the
masonry,
has
become
more
and
more
expensive
to
have
an
outsourced.
To
do
that.
F
Maybe
we
can
use
our
staff
in-house
to
build
the
base
of
the
signs
and
then
hire
a
sign
company
to
finish
the
decorative
part
of
the
sign
that
you
would
slip
in
to
the
to
the
sign,
of
instance,
the
City
Clerk's
office,
if
you
drive
by
it
faster
than
25
miles
per
hour,
it
might
blow
over.
So
just
be
careful
when
you
take
off
tonight,
but
we
need
the
replaces
because
they're
starting
to
deteriorate
and
they're
wood
and
rotting
so
I,
don't
know
where
this
would
come
from
and
maybe
it
could.
F
We
could
look
at
it
from
a
code
enforcement
fund.
Part
of
the
beautification
project
is
if
we
get
more
code
enforcement
fines
for
2020
that
come
in,
that
we
could
look
at
allocating
some
funds
over
to
that,
because
I
think
it's
an
important
thing.
First,
the
aesthetics
of
our
building.
We
do
use
a
nice
brick
that
matches
City
Hall,
the
brick
that
matches
the
fire
department
out
at
station
71.
We
can
do
it
in-house
to
have
more
of
those
done
and
we
can
replace
more
of
these
at
a
quicker
pace
over
this
year.
A
G
F
D
H
H
F
That's
the
part
discussion
that
could
fall
within
the
CRA
because
most
of
those
areas
fall
within
the
CRA
area,
if
you're
looking
all
along
Pinellas,
Avenue
and
then
tarpon
Avenue.
That
all
was
really
the
areas
that
we
would
be
focusing
on.
If
you
have
another
area
that
you're
thinking
about
like
the.
H
F
F
H
F
Yeah
some
little
discussions
that
we've
had
in
the
past
too
is
I,
brought
this
up
about
downtown
and
looking
at
putting
something
along
the
bike
trail
lemon
street.
As
you
come
up
Stafford,
if
it's
over
by
ultra
nineteen,
it
can
be
generic
right,
you
could
say
restaurants
or
boutiques
or
shell
shop
or
oh
that's
a
bad
example,
because
there's
actually
store
name
shelf
shop
in
this
most
of
its
restaurants,
I
mean
whatever
it
may
be.
You
just
point
that
direction
to
where
its
encompasses
a
lot
of
different
things.
H
D
F
Right
I
mean
at
the
polls
three
hundred
bucks
and
we
supply
three
four:
five
poles,
that's
fifteen
hundred
dollars
and
then
regardless,
but
the
city
provides
the
signs
or
if
it
goes
of
the
businesses,
we
could
hash
that
out.
Further
I
mean
the
city
can
make
it
pretty
cheap,
I,
think
for
the
signs
and
if
the
they
just
want
to
supply
and
then
pay
the
city
I'm,
not
really
sure
how
that
would
work.
So
it's
not
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
money,
but.
C
H
A
D
G
D
G
H
C
C
H
I
spent
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
because
he
didn't
use
the
process
correctly.
You
have
to
apply,
and
this
has
been
explained
to
them.
You
have
to
apply
in
advance
through
the
application
process
to
beat
the
qualify
for
the
grant.
So
you
know
that
needs
to
happen
when
they
do
this,
but
there's
quite
a
few
in
Aspen
Street
there's
a
new
brewery
going
on
at
this
rate,
he's
doing
a
lot
of
work.
There's
there's
new
businesses
and
they
kind
of
feel.
H
F
You
don't
see
the
lack
of
support
here.
You've
got
the
support
behind
this
I.
Think
amongst
the
board.
I,
don't
haven't
heard
mission
Donovan,
but
I
think
overall,
you've
got
it.
It's
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
numbers
are
gonna
be
and
how
many
grants
you
want
being
proposed
here.
Overall
yeah.
I
I'd
absolutely
support
the
Sponge
Docks
facade
grants,
but
I
agree
with
Commissioner,
Khare
and
I
think
if
we
could
lower
it
and
help
more
businesses,
I
would
rather
do
that
than
have
it
be.
You
know
an
increased
amount
and
help
less
businesses,
so
I
would
I
would
be
leaning
more
towards
the
$5,000.
C
I
F
E
G
G
I
mean,
and
the
idea
you
know
the
idea
is-
is
that
it
becomes
more
of
a
critical
mass,
because
ultimately,
you're
gonna
have
more
the
city
is
gonna
have
more
reward.
If
five
people
do
it,
then
a
few
people
do
it
right,
even
though
the
numbers
could
potentially
be
the
same
on
what
amount
of
work
has
been
spent.
But
if
you
have
five
storefronts
versus
I
think
it
goes,
and.
A
G
D
Remember
the
budget
is
year-round
if
by
February
all
five
grants
are
used.
We
look
at
where
we
are
in
the
budget
and
stuff
and
convinced
that
hey
we've
done
the
five
and
there's
two
more
applications
out
there.
Can
we
look
where
we
are
in
February?
Is
there
ten
more
thousand
off
or
two?
We
can
always
do
that
those
five
get
exhausted
like
we
hope
you
know,
that
will
be
four
three
four
five
five
months
of
the
budget.
D
H
A
H
H
H
F
I
can
make
a
recommendation.
I
brought
up
a
idea
earlier
I'm
completely
behind
decorative
lighting.
I
know
we
don't
want
to.
We
don't
want
to
rely
and
expect
that
the
city
is
gonna,
see
and
I
hope
that
we
never
have
to
see
a
code
enforcement
dollar
ever
again
come
into
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
but
the
realization
is
that
there's
plenty
of
foreclosure
still.
F
There's
houses
that
banked
our
owning
and
that
we
can
see
additional
funds
come
in
that
way.
I've
I've
sent
the
city
manager
a
list
of
items
on
how
this
city
could
potentially
allocate
these
funds,
and
this
could
be
an
opportunity
later
on
in
the
year,
if
we
as
a
city
or
if
the
city
receives
more
money
through
code
enforcement
to
allocate
towards
some
of
these
items
overall
and
then
I
could
get
another
good
example
could
be
the
Cultural,
Center
plaster,
repair
and
painting
of
interior.
F
If
that
falls
under
25,000
there's
a
few
more
thousand
dollars
and
we
could
squeeze
out
of
it
later
in
a
year,
but
I
support
anything.
We
could
do
it
on
the
sponge
docks
and
make
it
more
attractive
that
night
to
encourage
more
people
to
be
down
there
at
night
as
well,
so
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
later
in
a
year,
but
right
now
it's
just
we've
exhausted
all
the
available
dollars.
We
had.
C
F
E
A
E
D
There's
another
item
like
Commissioner
Karzai:
if
he
figures
were
gonna,
get
25,000
in
selling
property
back
and
we
end
up
selling
40,000
and
there's
15,000
there
that
you
could
decimate
one
of
the
other
projects,
almost
the
same
with
code
enforcement
or
the
unassigned,
so
that
that
along
the
lines
are
the
same
thing.
Mr.
D
Carr
is
talking
about
as
long
as
it's
access
to
what
he's
budget,
because
what
he's
budgeted
is
throughout
this
budget
that
you
see
now,
but
if
there's
excess,
if
we
get
a
bank
that
comes
in
with
a
$50
dollar
settlement
that
puts
us
over
there,
then
that
is
extra
money.
You
can
allocate
boards
what
you
want
allocate
toward
as
the
budget
year
goes
long
and
we
see-
and
we
see
that.
F
D
D
B
A
D
D
First,
one
and
that's
where
you'll
make
the
final
decision
will
need
to
stay
there
until
we
make
the
final
decisions,
so
we
can
start
preparing
the
ordinance
and
preparing
that
to
go
forward.
So
that's
probably
an
item.
We're
not
gonna,
be
allowed
anything
for
the
meeting.
That's
going
to
be
a
full
section
for
that
item.
A
A
A
F
F
I'm
right
there
with
you
guys,
I've
got
another
item
to
mayor
and
just
as
a
city
manager
and
city
clerk.
This
is
nothing
personal.
If
we're
giving
raises
to
the
staff
member,
it's
always
good
to
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
the
evaluations
am
I
correct
in
that
it.
So
if
you're
giving
a
department
head
a
raise
or
merit
raise
of
some
sort,
you
give
them
some
type
of
evaluation.
Last
year
we
had
discussions
that
it
should
be
written
as
it
is
in
the
contract
and
I
believe
charter.
F
F
He
needs
to
have
some
type
of
information
back
from
his
commissioners
who's
responsible
as
his
boss
right.
If
we're
moving
forward
to
give
the
city
manager
and
the
city
clerk
a
merit
raise
which
is
proposed
in
the
budget,
it's
us
as
a
commission
there
as
the
board's
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
we
meet
with
these
individuals
to
give
them
their
annual
reviews.
It's
better
for
the
board,
it's
better
for
the
staff
themselves
to
understand
how
we
feel
good,
bad
or
indifferent.
Whatever
it
is.
F
I
mean
reviews,
aren't
bad
they're,
they're
good
things
to
encourage
the
coach
to
look
for
opportunities
in
the
future.
Is
there
communication
issues
so
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
do
this
individually,
if
we
want
to
do
it
publicly
or
how
it
should
go.
Obviously,
we've
run
into
a
timing
situation
here,
because
I
think
we
talked
the
last
time
this
was
brought
up.
F
We
talked
about
it
being
in
August
of
some
sort,
so
I
just
want
to
bring
it
up
before
we
close
the
meeting
out
because
it
does
pertain
to
the
budget
and
some
aspects,
because
it's
a
merit
increase
that
I
believe
is
scheduled.
Am
I
wrong
and
if
that's
is,
that
scheduled
am
I
wrong?
Do
you
know
what
the
merit
increase
well.
A
A
F
Giving
a
merit
raise
unless
there's
actually
a
consensus
across
the
board,
saying
as
bosses,
which
I
mean
they
lack
a
better
word
were
responsible,
the
direct
mark
as
a
board
and
we're
responsible
for
the
city
clerk
who
reports
us
and
we're
responsible
for
the
city
attorney
and
they'll
city
attorney
as
a
contract.
We're
not
giving
him
a
raise
because
it's
untrue.
F
Actually,
it
shows
the
rates,
but
a
city
manager
I'm
not
trying
to
make
a
large
mountain
out
of
an
anthill
here,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
falling
with
the
contract,
states
and
I.
Don't
have
it
in
front
of
me.
But
this
is
something
that's
important
to
talk
about,
because
it's
our
duty
as
elected
officials
to
make
sure
that
it's
done
and
if
we're
doing
the
review
after
he's
already
gotten
his
merit,
raise
and
we're
kind
of
putting
the
I
guess
the
card
well
before
the
horse
in
for
the
next
year.
G
F
Like
I
said
nothing
against
you
mark
nothing
against
the
board.
Is
themselves
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
because
the
last
time
we
had
discussions
about
this
and
it's
just
important
that
we
get
it
done
because
it
was
a
contract
in
place
and
it's
a
duty
and
a
responsibility
that
we
have
as
commissioners
on
the
board
to
do
that.
G
I
Mayor
this
is
something
that
maybe
mr.
city
manager,
our
city
clerk,
can
answer.
I
haven't
been
following
real
close
the
past
couple
weeks
with
our
Charter
Committee,
but
I
do
believe
that
was
an
initial
topic
that
they
discussed
was
possibly
having
a
written
review
of
the
city
manager.
Like
a
written
annual
review.
Did
we
have
a
status
on
that?
Did
they
shut
that
down
or
well.
B
Go
back
and
discuss
it
a
little
bit
today,
however,
there
again
it
says
in
mark
has
a
contract,
and
it
says
that
it
should
be
a
written
review.
Today
they
were
trying
to
see
they
were
trying
to
see
if
it
should
be
in
public
one
on
one,
but
I
think
the
contract
says
that
it
should
be
written.
I
think
where
it
was
brought
up
in
the
past
was
that
some
commissioners
didn't
do
written
evaluations.
They
did
verbal
one-on-one
kind
of
evaluations
and
not
written
I.
B
H
Discussion
last
year
we
talked
about
changing
the
forum
and
simplifying
it
because
Oren
that
we
currently
have
for
an
evaluation.
It's
it's
kind
of
outdated.
So
we
did
talk
about
looking
at
what
other
cities
use
were
there
forms
for
evaluation
and
thinking
about
changing
hours
and
I?
Don't
know
where
that
went,
I
think.
F
This
is
kind
of
a
unique
situation
because
we're
all
responsible
for
making
the
evaluations
so
I
don't
know
who
we
would
task
to
update
the
evaluation
forms
except
ourselves
for
this.
So
if
there's
any
ideas
behind
that
I
would
say
go
ahead
and
make
them
in
a
memorandum
of
some
sort.
But
if
I'm
wrong,
I
don't
know
if
we
could
that's
the
city
manager
to
come
up
with
his
own
review
structure
of
some
sort
of
the
city
clerk
to
do
that
as
well.
So.
H
H
F
I
I
I
guess
if
we
could
get
a
follow-up
email
on
that,
but
I'd
also
want
to
see
I
guess
the
forum
I've
never
seen
at
the
forum
for
her
managerial
reviews
and
if
it's
not
up
to
par
I
mean
one
of
us
can
send
an
email
or
a
Memorandum
of
some
kind,
compiling
a
bunch
of
the
other
cities
and
even
just
regular,
even
private
practice.
Reviews
I'm
just
going
to
take
what
we
like
from
them.
A
I
think
it
makes
more
sense
when
you,
you
know
when
you
verbally
I
mean
when
you
write
down.
Actually
what
you
were
thinking,
how
you're
by
you,
sometimes
just
looking
the
you
know,
ABC
Indies,
but
does
give
your
to
write
it
down,
and
you
can
say
these.
You
know
things
that
you
need
to
work
on
things
that
it's
doing
very
well,
I
just.
D
B
D
It
was
a
pervert
to
do
it.
Verbal
and
some
of
you
do
it.
Every
week
you
verbally
evaluate
me,
I,
don't
care
what
y'all
do
with
me.
You
know
as
far
as
devaluations
and
stuff,
but
don't
hold
this
contract
that
says
in
the
contract.
Cuz
the
simple
we're
in
the
valuations
could
be
our
value
and
he
meets
the
standards
to
continued
employment
here.
If
anybody
thinks
the
contract,
the
the
evaluation
system
is
meaningful.
You
just
go
down
south
to
see
you
don't
even
and
see
what
happened
to
the
good
evaluation.
D
He
got
in
two
months
later,
with
three
votes.
He
was
gone
so
in
the
event
in
the
city
manager,
world,
but
I
ran
accountability
whatever
you
want
to
do,
but
in
my
mind
I'm
value
daily
almost
could
all
it
takes
is
one
meeting
in
three
votes
and
you
could
have
me
at
all
fives
and
I'm
gone
in
and
look
at
down
south
of
Dunedin
and
see
what
his
evaluation
was
before.