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A
A
All
right
great
good
evening,
I
now
call
to
order
the
special
session
meeting
of
the
board
of
commissions.
Tarpon
springs
florida
on
tuesday
october
4th
at
6
30.
roll
call.
Please.
D
A
Thank
you.
Due
to
the
health
crisis,
we
continue
to
face.
Meetings
will
be
continued
conducted
by
the
video
conference
and
provided
for
public
comments
to
protect
the
public
health
and
the
employees.
A
If
I
could
also
remind
everybody,
please
mute
your
your
computers
when
we're
not
speaking.
It
prevents
issues
from
having
from
happening
later.
On
the
first
item
of
business,
we're
going
to
need
to
excuse
commissioner,
terry
panty
for
leaving
during
the
last
meeting
july
28th
due
to
family
emergency.
Is
there
a
motion.
F
F
A
A
E
F
A
Okay,
we
can
hear
you
fine,
commissioner
city
attorney,
do
you
have
a
prayer?
You
can
open
us
up
with.
A
A
A
A
Okay,
so
we're
gonna
move
to
item
one
item.
One
are
the
minutes.
Those
are
being
pulled
tonight
for
some
updates
and
corrections
for
next
meeting
city
attorney.
Do
we
need
a
motion
for
that,
or
is
it
okay
just
to
pull
those.
A
I
Yes,
we
do
right,
we'll
be
director
paul
smith,
great.
Thank
you.
J
Good
evening,
paul
smith,
public
services,
director
this
item
is
a
contract.
We've
been
utilizing
for
ongoing
repairs
to
utilities
and
we're
requesting
tonight
additional
authorization
to
the
upper
limit
by
475
000.
So
we
make
complete
projects
and
be
prepared
for
emergency
repairs
through
the
remainder
of
the
contract.
The
contract
expires
in
january
next
year.
That's
all.
I
have
by
smear.
A
J
Sure,
yes,
his
funding
is
from
the
water
and
sewer
utilities
accounts
it
being
water,
distribution,
sewage
selection
or
lift
stations,
depending
on
which
project
it
is.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
ms
jacobs.
Is
there
any
emails
for
this
item.
G
Thank
you
vice
mayor.
I
don't
have
any
questions
or
comments
other
than
I.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
put
this
information
on
our
website
and
also
make
it
available
to
the
public.
So
many
times
we
hear
you
know
what
about
my
neighborhood
and
what's
the
city
doing
for
infrastructure
improvements
and
things
of
that
nature,
so
you
know,
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that,
while
mr
smith
said
that
it's
for
repair,
it's
all
it's
repair
and
replacement.
Is
that
right?
Mr
smith,.
J
G
Yeah,
so
you
know
as
an
example:
the
city
gets
into
a
repair.
What
looks
like
a
repair,
and
we
start
digging
in
and
see
that
you
know
the
pipe's
too
far
gone
and
it
needs
to
be
replaced.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
for
this
contract,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
that
it's
not
just
repair
but
also
replacement
and
also
make
this
information
available
to
the
public,
so
they
can
see
where
their
tax
dollars
are
going.
Thank
you.
A
It's
a
great
idea,
commissioner:
donovan.
G
E
Okay,
I'm
running
into
some
technical
difficulties
on
my
end,
everybody's
frozen
on
my
screen
and
I
went
in
and
went
out
so
yes
just
a
casualty
of
the
virtual
meetings,
but
I
I
have
no
comments
on
this.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
guys
could
hear
me.
Okay,.
F
Yes,
I
had
some
comments,
mr
smith,
when
it
says
that
this
contract
was
competitively
bid
and
the
two
lowest
bidders
are
vendors
that
are
being
utilized
when
did
that
occur
back
in
2018.
Are
we
talking
about
something
more
current.
J
Now
that's
correct
back
when
they
contract
it's
a
multi-year
contract
and
back
when
it
was
first
procured,
we
did
a
competitive
bid.
We
actually
put
several
sample
projects
together
and
had
the
contractors
bid
on
how
they
would
price
those
types
of
contracts
under
the
structure
of
pre-established
pricing
and
made
the
selections
based
on
that.
So
it
was
a
about
as
accurate
of
a
way.
We
could
make
a
reasonable
comparison,
as
we
could.
F
All
right,
the
other
couple
of
other
questions
I
notice
in
the
memoranda
that
were
provided.
They
begin
in
2018
and
come
forward
and
the
best
way
I
could
describe
there
appears
to
be
some
carryover
work.
F
F
J
Sure
yeah
part
of
the
confusion
is
in
the
memos.
We
list
work,
that's
been
completed
and
then
work
coming
up
and
then
in
the
following
year.
That
work
then
becomes
stuff,
that's
in
progress,
and
then
you
have
new
things
coming
up,
so
it
creates
things
being
repeated
and
successive
memos,
that's
one
of
the
things
going
on,
but
what
we
do
is
our
best
to
estimate
how
much
we're
going
to
use
the
contract
each
year
and
what
projects
we're
going
to
utilize
on
it
as
a
forecasting
method.
J
But
what
happens
with
this
and
part
of
why
this
contract
is
so
helpful
to
us?
Is
it's
also
for
emergency
repairs,
unanticipated
things
that
happen
with
utilities,
and
so
when
that
happens,
those
contracts
or
projects,
we
plan
get
kind
of
put
aside
temporarily
until
we
can
get
through
these
other
things.
So
it's
really
meant
to
be
a
versatile
contract
and
things
don't
always
go
as
planned
with
underground
work,
and
I
think
we're
seeing
that
right.
There
on
mlk,
which
started
out
as
a
manhole,
a
dip
in
the
road
has
turned
into
a
full-fledged
infrastructure
project.
F
Yeah,
so
I
mean
from
what
I
understand
that
you're
saying
and
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
mis
not
missing
a
mark
on
our
our
estimation,
with
the
exception
of
the
unforeseen
conditions
that
do
pop
up,
is
it
accurate
to
say
that
we're
pretty
much
asking
for
increases
over
what
we
think
we
would
spend
that
year
and
that
would
be
about
what
we
would
expect
to
spend
and
not
necessarily
doing
the
entire
project,
recognizing
that
there
may
be
some
issues
with
this
project
later
on?
F
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
we
went
from
400
000
the
first
year,
and
I
know
this
is
the
last
increment.
I
believe,
and
it's
you
know
one
point
almost
1.2
million
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that-
and
I
know
tarpon
springs
needs
a
lot
of
work.
That's
not
an
issue
they're
old
lines
and-
and
I
I
hear
stories
all
the
time,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
after
this
contract
is
done,
we're
going
to
be
seeing
another
contract
act
like
this
being
bid
out.
F
A
Okay,
mr
smith,
thank
you
for
answering
everyone's
questions.
The
chair
will
entertain
a
motion.
A
Yes,
okay,
we're
going
to
move
to
item
number
three,
the
riverbend
village
project.
This
has
multiple
items
listed
for
it,
a
through
d
items,
3a,
3c
and
3d
are
all
quasi-judicial
and
items.
3B
is
legislative.
All
these
will
be
discussed
together,
but
voted
on
separately.
A
H
Yes,
mr
vice
mayor,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
take
care
of
the
ordnance
titles.
First
ordinance,
2020-14,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida,
annexing
36.1,
acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
at
the
northwest
corner
of
lnr
industrial
boulevard
and
anclote
road
providing
for
findings
providing
for
an
effective
date.
H
H
Ordinance
2020-19,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
amending
the
official
zoning
map
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
for
11.2
acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
at
the
northwest
corner
of
anclote
road
and
l,
r,
industrial
boulevard,
pinellas
county
zoning
designations,
r5
urban
residential
to
city
of
tarpon
springs.
Zoning
designation,
rpd
residential
plan
development,
approving
preliminary
planned
development
for
river
bend,
village,
residential
subdivision
providing
for
dimensional
standards
providing
for
waivers
of
design
requirements
of
the
rpd
district,
providing
for
findings
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
H
This
ordinance
was
legally
advertised
and
published
in
the
tampa
bay
times
by
title
with
map
on
july
1,
2020
july
15,
2020
and
july
22nd,
2020.
H
So
the
as
the
chairs
already
indicated,
the
the
board
of
commissioners
will
consider
all
of
these
matters
together
and
we'll
hear
testimony
together.
However,
they
will
vote
upon
them
separately.
I
will
now
review
the
quasi-judicial
procedures
used
by
the
city.
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
board
of
commissioners
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
H
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
H
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
defined
against
the
applicant
with
those
procedures
in
place.
H
The
first
step
in
the
process
is
swearing
in
of
witnesses.
Will
all
witnesses
who
intend
to
provide
testimony
during
this
matter,
and
this
would
be
for
all
of
item
three,
including
a
b
c
and
d.
If
you
would
raise
your
right
hand,
do
you
swear
to
tell
the
truth
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth
so
help
you
back?
H
Okay,
so
then
the
witnesses
will
be
will
be
considered
to
be
sworn,
and
with
that
we
will
start
with
the
staff
presentation.
K
K
K
K
K
One
was
discussed
last
week
to
revise
the
parking
restriction
to
one
side
of
the
street
rather
than
having
no
parking
on
the
street
for
the
residential
area.
The
second
was
to
submit
a
revised
landscape
plan
and
your
package
should
have
that
updated
plan
that
was
updated
last
week
and
that
latest
version
provided
by
the
developer.
K
The
county
has
required
sixteen
hundred
trees
to
be
planted.
As
was
discussed
last
week,
there
was
insufficient
area
to
actually
physically
plant
the
sixteen
hundred
trees,
all
on
the
the
unified
development
site,
so
they
will
be
planting
1137
trees
and
the
remaining
463
trees
will
be
mitigated
with
a
payment
to
the
pinellas
county
tree
bank
fund.
K
The
second
one
is
an
update
in
a
mission
from
the
last
one
we
specified
as
survival
for
the
tree
planting,
but
we
failed
to
specify
the
time
period
over
which
that
survival
is
required.
One
year
is
a
pretty
standard
time
period
for
that,
so
we
have
added
time
period
and
the
dates
from
which
that
would
be
counted
and
we've
also
updated
the
date
of
the
approved
landscape
plan
to
reflect
the
latest
one.
K
We
are
also
recommending
approval
upon
the
vote
on
those
first
three
of
the
plan:
development
for
the
resident
for
the
rpd
under
resolution,
20
2044.
that
would
have
condition
number
one.
The
developer
is
responsible
for
obtaining
applicable
permits
from
all
other
agencies
and
meeting
the
minimum
requirements
of
the
comprehensive
zoning
and
land
development
code
and
then
conditions.
Two
and
three
would
be
the
same
as
these
conditions.
One
and
two
are
for
the
previous
ordinance,
so
conditions
two
and
three
on
resolution,
20
20
44,
would
address
the
parking
and
the
landscaping
are
there
any.
H
A
Street
signs
is
something
that
we've
talked
about
with
other
developments.
I
didn't
see
any
street
signs
on
the
type
of
polls
that
would
be
used
for
this
development.
Has
that
been
discussed
with
the
applicant
at
all.
K
The
applicant
could
probably
address
what
the
design
is.
The
I
know
the
I'm
not
sure
about
the
street
signs.
I
know
the
lighting
design
does
use
the
powder
coated
pole
designs
and
I
do
not
know
remember
what
was
approved
with
with
the
development
for
the
street
signs.
F
I
vice
mayor
carr.
I
have
some
questions
unless
I'm
coming
out
of
churn.
A
H
Well,
miss
miss
nicholas.
Are
you
finished
with
your
presentation.
A
Okay,
commissioner
terrapin,
you
have
any
questions.
F
Yes,
vice
mirror.
I
do
and
first
attorney
eshen
felder.
I
need
to
report
a
next
party
communication.
H
F
Last
week
mr
stamis
was
fading
in
and
out.
I
know
some
of
you
didn't
have
any
problems
with
it,
but
I
did,
and
I
think
attorney
cole
did
as
well.
F
He
went
over
some
comments
concerning
100
survivability
concerning
the
trees,
and
I
happened
to
call
him
concerning
the
dog
sitting
project
that
had
been
provided
in
front
of
us
to
do
a
small
follow-up,
and
I
just
happened
to
ask
him
what
his
understanding
of
the
100
percent
survival
was,
and
it
wasn't
clear
to
him
and
basically
he
agreed
to
follow
up
with
the
city
staff
for
clarification
and
I'm
going
to
ask
about
that
this
evening
as
well.
Probably
my
very
next
question.
So
that
was
the
extent
of
the
extra
party
communications.
F
Thank
you,
okay,
ms
mcnair,
the
100
survival.
Could
you
clarify
that?
For
the
commission,
please,
I
know
we
kind
of
caught
the
applicant
off
guard
on
that,
and
I
do
know
he
said
some
things,
but
I
believe
he
was
going
to
get
back
with
you
to
discuss
it
further
to
determine
whether
that
was
over
the
life
of
the
tree
or
a
certain
period
up
to
that
point,
where
they
would
no
longer
be
responsible.
At
least
the
association
would
no
longer
be
responsible
for
it.
K
Yes-
and
he
did
get
back
to
us
and
yeah
he's
correct-
it's
usually
a
survivability
rate
does
have
a
time
period
to
let
to
determine
and
let
the
trees
established,
and
so
we
have
added
a
one
year
time
frame
for
that
survivability.
K
So
upon
installation
of
the
trees
in
all
the
common
areas,
the
developer
would
provide
a
report
or
a
letter
that
says
we
were
finished,
we've
installed
the
trees
and
we
would
monitor
survival
and
require
any
degrees
within
that
one
year
for
the
business,
the
buildings
that
will
be
built
that
one-year
survivability
for
the
trees
that
will
be
planted
on
those
lots
because
the
trees
won't
be
planted
until
the
buildings
are
built,
that
one-year
survivability
would
be
monitored
from
the
certificate
of
occupancy
date
and
that's
what
the
condition
has
been
updated
to
reflect
from.
F
From
the
time
the
building
is
completed
and
the
tree
is
planted,
the
one
year
begins.
Okay,
that's
good!
The
other
thing
too.
Vice
mayor,
I've
got
a
question
for
staff.
If
ms
mcneese,
if
you
can
explain
why
we're
doing
this
annexation
agreement
tonight
as
a
special
session
and
why
we
wouldn't
have
heard
it
normally
on
the
august
11th
meeting,
I
believe
it
has
something
to
do
with
the
county
requiring
all
annexations
to
be
complete.
F
Ms,
ms,
maybe
ms
city
attorney
cole
can
explain
that
further
unless
you're
not
familiar
with
that,
do
you
know.
K
Yeah
and
yes,
mr
eshenfelder,
can
expand
on
the
contract,
we
have
the
supervisor
of
elections,
but
the
thought
was
that
the
developer
is
is
on
underway
with
pulling
permits.
K
There
is
a
a
desire
to
for
on
his
part,
and
he
can
speak
for
himself
but
to
be
in
the
city
and
the
city
stands
by
ready
to
process
permits
for
vertical
construction
and,
yes,
they
they
have,
they
would
have
to
be
annexed
by
5
pm
august
11th
and,
as
I
said,
mr
eschenfelder
can
expand
on
the
reason
for
that.
If,
if
you
need
that.
H
F
Yes,
all
right,
I'm
familiar
with
it,
but
I
don't
know
the
technical
aspects
behind
it.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
not
anything
on
the
part.
It
was
more
of
a
technical
matter
than
anything
on
the
part
of
the
applicant
or
the
city
wanting
it
to
do
it
this
evening,
rather
than
waiting
for
the
mayor
to
return
from
his
trip
at
the
meeting
on
august
11th.
So
I
wanted
to
get
a
little
clarification
on
that.
Thank
you.
The
last
question
I
had
miss
mcneese.
K
There
has
not
been
any
follow-up
on
the
part
of
staff
to
talk
about
that.
The
the
applicant
can
can
maybe
discuss
that
that
that
could
still
be
done.
If
that's
that's
something,
and
that
was
on
our
list,
there
were
some
other
things
that
the
board
wanted,
for
example,
the
tree
mitigation
payment
to
ask
the
county
to
to
maybe
try
to
to
concentrate
on
spending
those
funds
up
up
here
in
tarpon.
F
I
know
the
very
first
step
would
be
the
willingness
of
the
county
to
do
that.
I'm
sure
it
would
be
up
to
the
city
commission
to
determine
whether
they
wish
to
accept
it
or
not.
But
given
the
some
of
the
issues,
recent
issues
we've
had
of
maintaining
or
dealing
with
these
conservation
easements,
I
can
assure
you
it'd
be
better
if
the
city
had
control
over
it
rather
than
the
county.
F
H
Okay,
then
seeing
none
does
the
applicant
have
any
cross-examination
of
miss
mcneese.
H
No
sir,
you
sure
you're
used
to
you
know
really
aggressive
cross-examination
all
right.
Well
then,
with
none
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
applicant's
case.
That's
cool.
L
Thank
you
vice
mayor
commissioners,
really,
we
went
through
many
of
these
items
last
week
at
the
account
at
the
commission
meeting
in
just
from
a
point
of
order
to
incorporate
the
updated
staff
report
into
the
record
and
then
also
to
have
the
record
reflect
that
ms
mcneitz
and
mr
stamis,
to
the
extent
that
they
were
testifying
today
were
sworn
in
by
the
clerk.
I
just
wanted
to
state
that
for
the
record
I
was
also
sworn
in,
but
am
not
offering
testimony
necessarily
so
with
that
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Mr
vaticatus.
L
With
respect
to
the
conservation
easement,
I
did
go
back
and
check
the
plain
language
of
the
easement
and
it
simply
refers
to
the
statute
which
allows
for
the
removal
of
exotics,
which
I
know
is
one
of
your
specific
worries
or
other
things
with
with
a
local
government
permit
as
many
conservation
easements
do.
L
But
we
agree
that
we
would
like
to
get
some
clarity
from
the
county
and
appreciate
the
city
reaching
out
on
with
us
to
the
county,
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
ensure
that
the
city
has
control
over
that,
and
we
will
do
that
in
conjunction
with
the
other
items
that
miss
spoke
about.
I
think
with
that
also
to
confirm
that
the
other
pending
items,
the
amendment
to
the
site
plan
approval
and
the
landscape
items
were
already
approved
by
the
county.
L
We
received
final
confirmation
of
that
today
and
expect
to
have
the
formal
correspondence
with
respect
to
the
timing.
Ms
jacobs
is
probably
the
best
person
to
speak
to
that.
So
please
correct
me
if
I
speak
incorrectly,
miss
jacobs,
but
the
supervisor
of
elections
certifies
the
election
roles
in
advance
of
each
election
and
there's
a
deadline
that
they
issue
to
each
municipality
with
respect
to
those
voters
within
the
municipality,
and
so
this
is.
That
was
the
reason
for
the
deadline
here
is
because
of
the
forthcoming
elections
in
both
august
and
november.
L
So
we
would
have
had
to
wait
until,
for
I
think,
until
after
the
new
year
is
that
right,
miss
jacobs,
yeah
and
there,
because
there's
both
a
primary
and
general
election,
any
other
annexations
would
have
to
wait
until
after
the
new
year.
So
that
is
what
drove
the
timing
of
tonight's
hearing.
So
we
appreciate
that
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
certainly
don't
want
to
belabor
anything
tonight.
H
Okay,
miss
mcneese,
to
the
extent
that
any
of
us
what
ms
cole
said
was
testimony.
Do
you
wish
to
have
any
cross-examination
of
her?
No,
I
don't
thank
you,
okay.
So
then
we
would
move
on
to
commissioners.
Questions
of
miss
cole.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
vice
mayor.
I
just
want
to
thank
ms
cole
and
the
developer
for
working
with
us
being
flexible,
and
I
think
most
of
my
questions
were
already
answered
in
the
first
reading
or
in
what
was
just
discussed.
G
F
Do
attorney
cole
is,
if
I
understood
you
correctly,
on
the
clarification
of
the
statute
that
the
conservation
easement,
regardless
of
who
has
it,
could
be
cleared
with
the
exception
of
let's
say
the
county,
saying
they
don't
care
what
the
state
statute
says,
they're
going
to
do
it
their
way,
you're
saying
that
could
be
done
through
permit.
L
Generally,
except
to
your
point
that
if
the
county
chose
to
deny
a
permit
for
that,
but
generally
it's
been
my
experience
that
the
county
is
willing
to
issue
permits
for
clearing
of
exotics,
because
it's
something
they
desire
within
their
conservation
easements.
F
Okay,
wasn't
there
something
I
I
saw
something
in
the
back
up,
it
may
have
been
with
ms
mcneese's
powerpoint
or
maybe
somewhere
else
in
the
resolutions
about.
There
was
something
about
the
maintenance
of
the
conservation
easement
with
permitting,
and
I
think
the
word
with
permitting
part
was
struck
out.
Do
you
recall
seeing
that.
F
Right,
I
was
trying
to
find
it
right
now
to
see
if
I
could
pin
it
down,
but
it
was
in
one
of
the
revisions
and-
and
I
thought
that
was
related
to
maintaining
the
conservation
easement,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
approve
tonight
isn't
gonna
be
an
obstacle
later.
F
All
right
and
then
and
the
one
percent
survivability
is
acceptable
to
the
applicant.
The
way
it
was
described
one
year
from
the
planting.
L
Yes,
the
applicant
is,
is
fine,
with
the
proposed
changes
to
the
two
conditions
that
miss
mcneese
presented
and
are
incorporated
into
the
ordinance
tonight.
F
A
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner
vatti
otis.
One
question
I
have
for
miss
cole
is
the
street
sign
polls.
We've
discussed
this
in
the
past
and
I
didn't
see
anything
in
the
back
up
that
showed
what
type
of
polls
it
will
be.
The
city
is
working
towards
some
type
of
ordinance
that
will
require
any
new
developments
or
any.
A
Redevelopment
and
commercial
property
to
have
the
like
a
powder
coated
pole.
I
know
the
lights
already
installed
out
there
at
the
property,
but,
for
instance,
if
you're
going
to
be
putting
like
no
parking
signs
in
one
side
of
the
property,
I
just
want
some
clarification
on.
What
type
of
polls
would
be
used
for
that.
M
Okay,
I
think
we
fixed
the
mic
problem,
so
the
the
street
signs
that
have
already
been
installed
during
site
development
are
anodized.
Aluminum
they're,
not
the
typical
galvanized
perforated
poles
that
you
see
that
are
just
the
commodity
poles,
but
they're
nicer,
they're,
not
anodized
aluminum,
but
they're
they're,
a
bright
colored
aluminum
not
like
a
powder
coat
but
they're
they're
nicer
than
normal,
but
they
didn't
they're,
not
the
powder
coated
style.
M
Not
not
the
ones
that
you
see
that
are,
you
know,
typically
with
stop
signs
in
that
they're
on,
like
a
perforated
u-shaped
or
you
know,
formed
piece
of
metal
that
they're
nicer
than
that
by
far
but
they're,
not
the
they're,
not
the
decorative
powder-coated
poles.
I
think
that
you're
speaking
of.
B
B
H
H
A
Attorney,
I
think
ms
jacobs
may
have
an
email
that
she
has
to
read
for
a
public
comment.
C
I
do,
but
just
for
clarification,
miss
what
ms
cole
had
stated
for.
The
record
was
correct.
However,
it
would
not
be
after
the
first
of
the
year
it
would
be
held
up
to
after
the
election
in
november.
Third,
thank.
L
C
We
have
one
email
that
we
received
drboc.
I
urge
the
board
to
reject
application
20-03.
This
project
is
not
in
the
public
interest.
The
city
should
not
support
a
development
of
this
density
in
this
environmentally
sensitive
area,
just
just
north
of
the
ankle
river.
I
urge
the
city
to
not
annex
this
property
for
the
purpose
of
supporting
a
residential
and
commercial
development.
C
Rivers
bend.
Village
construction
has
already
damaged
the
environment.
The
36.1
acre
property
was
listed
on
the
pinellas
county
planting
vegetation
map
as
long
leaf
pine
and
xeric
oak
habitat.
All
these
acres
of
mature
trees
were
cut
down.
The
last
of
mature
longleaf
pine
trees,
especially
is
harmful
to
wildlife.
Longleaf
habitat
supports
a
great
diversity
of
plant
and
animal
life.
Longleaf
provide
nesting
for
red,
cockaded,
woodpeckers,
wild
turkeys,
buried,
owls,
red
tailed
and
red
shoulder
hawks
among
many
others.
C
Even
if
longleaf
is
replanted
on
the
river's
bend
property,
it
would
take
decades
for
longleaf
to
achieve
the
same
environmental
benefits.
The
board
ought
to
keep
the
environment
in
mind.
With
this
important
decision.
Longleaf
pine
has
long
historical
and
cultural
importance
to
our
city.
Longleaf
habitat
should
be
preserved.
Regarding
this
application
and
application,
20-03
should
be
denied.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
Sincerely
joseph
wenzel
522
east
lemon
street
unit,
a
tarpon
springs.
A
H
B
H
Okay,
so
then,
at
this
point,
miss
mcneese,
do
you
have
any
closing
statements?
No,
all
right
and
applicant.
Ms
cole.
A
Okay,
do
we
have
any
other
commission
comments.
A
Hearing,
none,
let's
go
ahead
and
I
will
entertain
a
motion
for
item
3a
and
we're
going
to
vote
on
all
these
separately.
F
A
Yes,
okay,
we're
going
to
go
to
item
3b
ordinances,
2020-16
chair
will
entertain
a
motion.
F
A
E
A
F
Motion
to
approve
resolution,
2020-44
residential
subdivision
final
plan
development,
as
it
was
resigned,
revised
and
presented,
and
those
revisions
presented
in
the
staff
report,
which
is
part
of
the
record
for
this
discussion.
K
They
were
included
in
both.
So
sorry,
yes,
so
the
ordinance
did
include
the
revised
conditions
from
from
last
week,
which
was
in
the
packet.
K
A
H
H
So
so,
if,
if
miss
cole,
why
don't
you
just
state
what
the
motion
you
would
like
them
to
to
adopt
and
then
you
could
just
call
that
motion
because
I
suspect
the
vote
will
be
the
same.
O
F
For
clarification
that
we're
asking
mr
city
attorney:
yes,
as
so
moved
as
attorney
cole,
stated.
G
A
L
A
A
All
right,
ms
vinson.
M
A
The
mountains
again
tonight,
it's
good
to
see
you
I'm
sure
it's
cooler
up
there
than
this
here
in
florida,
police
chief,
I'm
assuming
we're
gonna,
pass
this
off
to
miss
vincent.
A
P
Thank
you
good
evening.
Vice
mayor
and
commissioners
renee
vincent
planning
director.
This
is,
we
are
asking
for
approval
of
res
resolution
2020-31,
which
will
locally
adopt
the
five-year
update
to
the
pinellas
county
local
mitigation
strategy.
The
local
mitigation
strategy
is
an
all
hazards
mitigation
plan
for
pinellas
county
and
its
24
municipalities.
P
The
plans
have
been
been
in
existence
since
year
2000,
and
this
is
the
fourth
cycle
on
the
five-year
update
process.
The
plan
includes
descriptions
of
all
the
types
of
hazards
that
might
impact
the
county,
the
probability
of
occurrence
areas
of
vulnerability
estimates
from
potential
losses
from
those
various
hazards.
P
The
plan
is
required
by
fema
and
the
state
of
florida
to
be
adopted
by
all
jurisdictions
in
order
to
maintain
our
eligibility
for
federal
and
state
mitigation
funding
opportunities,
and
the
plan
also
supports
our
participation
in
the
national
flood
insurance
program
by
enhancing
our
scoring
in
the
community
rating
system,
which
saves
all
of
tarpon
residents
a
significant
amount
of
money
on
their
annual
flood
insurance
premiums
specific
to
tarpon
springs.
P
Our
local
adoption
will
include
an
appendix
j
which
will
incorporate
our
2018
local
flight
lane
management
plan,
as
well
as
the
2019
annual
update
to
that
plan.
That
also
includes
our
local
repetitive
loss
area
analysis
and
that
does
again
help
us
satisfy
our.
You
can
get
maximum
points
on
our
floodplain
management
requirements
of
our
commit
of
the
community
rating
system
when
we
go
through
those
evaluation
cycles.
So
with
that
I'll
stop
and
answer
any
questions,
we
are
recommending
approval.
P
This
is
a
huge
document,
so
I'm
not
going
to
profess
to
know
everything
that's
in
like
1500
pages
of
this
document,
but
if
there's
something
I
can't
answer
I'll
try
to
get
with
you
afterwards
or
later
on,
to
explain
anything
that
you
might
have
questions
about.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
mr
jump,
is
there
anyone
willing
to
speak
on
this
item?
If
so,
please
raise
your
hand.
You'll
have
four
minutes
to
speak.
A
Okay,
now
we're
going
to
commissioner
comments
again.
This
is
a
1195
pages.
So
if
we
have
any
comments,
please
feel
free
to
ask
ms
vincent
commissioner
donovan.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
vice
mayor,
miss
vincent,
would
you
mind
just
going
page
by
page
and
kind
of
summon
up
what
each
page
says
I'm
just
kidding?
No
thank
you
for
the
very
detailed
backup.
I
was
surprised
when
I
opened
this.
How
big
it
was
it
does.
It
does
detail
the
2020
working
group
roster
and
it
has
some
more
stakeholders
there.
Can
you
just
give
a
little
bit
more
detail
as
to
how
those
discussions
work?
Was
it
once
a
month
or
once
a
week.
P
How
did
that
go
down
sure
the
so
the
the
local
working
group,
every
jurisdiction,
as
well
as
pinellas
county,
has
staff
that
are
dedicated
members
to
the
local
working
group
on
a
normal
annual
year.
P
The
the
group
will
usually
meet
quarterly
in
when,
during
this
last
year
to
18
months
that
the
while
the
the
five-year
update
was
going
on,
they
were
meeting
more
frequently
than
that,
usually
almost
monthly
to
work
through
the
plan,
update
and
get
consensus
with
the
group
on
the
on
and
finalizing
the
document
so
but
they
do
meet
quarterly
generally.
So
the
next
thing
that
will
happen
once
we're
through
the
adoption
cycle.
Now
the
next
thing
that
we'll
usually
will
see
happen
in
the
fall.
P
There
will
be
a
call
for
the
work
from
the
working
group
members
to
submit
any
new
projects
that
the
municipalities
want
to
have
included
in
the
local
mitigation
strategy.
So
it's
important
for
us
to
have
our
projects
on
those
lists,
because
that's
how
we
get
eligibility
for
funding
for
a
particular
project,
so
in
appendix
d,
is
where
you
find
the
approved
project
list
and
you'll
find
a
couple
pages
of
projects
in
there
for
the
city
of
tarpon
springs.
G
Pretty
straightforward
vice
mayor,
I
don't
I
don't,
have
any
questions
kind
of
boilerplate
for
us
to
keep
our
name
in
the
hat
for
funding
and
whatnot.
So
I'm
all
good,
commissioner.
F
Yes,
he
is
vincent.
When
was
the
last
time
we
adopted
this.
F
And
is
there
a
significant
change
between
what
was
adopted
then
and
what
we
have
now.
P
I
wouldn't
say
it's
significant
changes.
They
they
do
update
the
the
hazards
so,
like
occasionally,
like
technological
hazards,
are
starting
to
come
into
the
plan
now
so
things
that
may
not
have
been
at
the
forefront
in
2015,
so
the
the
technological
things
were
updated.
I
wasn't
plugged
in
really
deep
at
the
county.
I
can.
P
I
can
circle
back
with
you
and
give
you
a
little
bit
better
analysis
of
what's
been
updated,
but
they're
generally
not
major
changes,
but
they
occasionally
will
you
know
if
there's
a
specific
threat
that
hasn't
been
you
know
experienced
in
the
past
so
like
moving
forward?
I
would
expect
that
through
this
pandemic
and
pandemics
are
part
of
the
biological
threat
that's
listed
in
the
plan.
P
F
G
F
I
would
think
that
the
sustainability
committee
would
find
this.
I
won't
say
an
interesting
read,
but
certainly
a
necessary
document
to
look
at,
especially
for
those
things
that
they're
interested
in
the
is
this
a
document
that
can
be
changed
annually,
or
is
this
it
until
the
next
five
years
comes
along.
P
The
the
major
updates
take
place
on
the
five-year
cycles,
but
they're.
If
the
work
group
agrees
that
something
really
does
need
to
be
updated
on
an
interim
basis.
There
is
a
process
to
do
that
generally
haven't
seen
them
do
that,
but
but
it
is
possible.
Okay,.
F
And
then
I
know
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
updating
the
comprehensive
plan
reviewing
that
I
believe
this
next
year.
I
know
you're
working
on
that
is
that
is
this.
Something
is
that
something
that
this
document
would
have
an
impact
on?
Would
we
have
to
adopt
those
policies
in
this
document
for
the
comprehensive
plan,
or
vice
versa?
I
guess
is
what
I'm
getting
at.
P
It's
it's
more
vice
versa.
The
local
mitigation
strategy
pulls
in
all
of
those
regulating
documents
and
plans
that
we
have
at
the
local
jurisdiction
level.
Those
are
all
referenced
and
brought
in
to
you
know
so,
but
it
does
work
both
ways.
There's
some
significant
analysis
in
this
plan.
That
would
be
very
useful
and
help
us
inform
our
conference
of
plan
update.
F
Okay,
that
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
more
about
that
as
we
go
along
the
and
then
should
we
expect
any
changes
to
our
ordinances
as
a
result
of
this
plan,.
F
And
so
the
adoption
tonight
just
kind
of
makes
it
official
and
then,
as
commissioner
donovan
said,
we
1100
pages.
We
can
look
at
it
page
by
page
to
see
exactly
what
the
impact
would
be,
although
I'm
sure
it's
fairly
standard
wallet
plate,
and
so
I'm
satisfied
with
all
of
that.
Thank.
P
You
there,
if,
if
you
want
a
kind
of
a
boiled
down
version
of
it,
that
actually
is
very
user
friendly
on
the
pinellas
county
website
and
their
geographic
information
system,
and
I
did
provide
a
link
to
this.
I
believe
in
the
in
the
agenda
backup,
but
there's
an
online
storyboard
version
of
the
the
local
mitigation
strategy,
which
was
new
for
this
year.
So
it
really
walks
through
the
hazards
and
it's
a
it's
a
really
kind
of
real
concise
document.
That's
very
user
friendly
for
the
public.
F
Yeah
I
appreciate
that
and
and
if
you
could
follow
up,
I'm
asking
I'm
sure
the
city
manager
would
have
to
concur
with
this
to
allow
this
to
be
put
onto
our
website
at
the
appropriate
location.
So
residents
can
look
at
it
as
well.
A
A
A
Thanks
miss
vincent
we're,
gonna
move
on
to
item
number
five
resolution:
20
20-45
city
attorney.
Can
you
please
read
the
title.
H
I
No
signed
it
today,
as
you
know,
you
can
extend
these
seasons
seven-day
increments
by
florida
law.
So
it's
just
a
continuation
of
that
this
one
will
be
through
the
11th
to
your
next
commission
meeting.
That's
all
I
have
thank
you.
A
Mr
jump
is
anyone
willing
or
wishing
to
speak
on
this
item
with
a
hand
raised.
A
Okay,
we'll
move
the
commissioner
comments.
Commission
tarapini.
G
I
don't
have
any
comments.
I
know
that
in
our
upcoming
meeting,
maybe
on
the
11th,
we'll
have
a
more
in-depth
discussion
regarding
some
excuse
me
regarding
some
of
the
emails
and
positions
we've
seen
on
some
of
the
street
closers
and
reopening
some
of
the
streets.
So
I
assume
at
that
time
we'll
we'll
have
a
more
in-depth
discussion
regarding
that,
but
I
don't
have
any
comments
on
this.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
A
A
Commissioner
of
vaticatus,
I
have
not
okay.
The
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
motion
to
approve
second
roll
call.
G
G
A
A
Okay,
that
takes
us
to
the
miscellaneous
items
on
the
agenda
items
number
six,
seven
and
eight
were
items
that
I've
placed
in
the
agenda.
Maybe
the
past
three
or
four
meetings
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
reach
due
to
time
constraints
of
ending
our
meetings
in
the
middle
of
the
night
or
the
early
the
next
day.
So
the
first
one
I
would
like
to
talk
about,
which
is
item
number
six.
Is
the
whitcomb
bayou
trail
discussion
some
years
back?
I
wasn't
on
the
board
at
this
time.
D
A
A
A
A
A
I
think
the
best
option,
in
my
opinion
that
I
would
like
to
ask
the
board
for
some
discussion
on
and
consensus
on
and
then
ultimately
ask
the
city
manager
to
come
back
with
an
idea
of
a
design
and
what
we
need
to
do
to
move
forward,
to
talk
with
the
army
corps,
about
getting
an
approval
to
move
forward
and
budgeting
some
type
of
items
to
fix
this
fix
this
air.
I
believe
that
was
done
many
years
ago.
A
There
is
a
county
jurisdiction
once
you
hit
by
you
or
I'm
sorry.
I
want
you
to
carolina
on
which
can
buy
you,
so
obviously
there'd
be
some
discussions
among
along
with
the
county
at
that,
and
I
believe
mr
commissioner
vatico
has
brought
up
some
of
those
ideas
as
well,
but
looking
at
the
backup
I
would.
A
I
would
like
to
talk
about
item
number
three
and
item
number
four
they're,
both
ranked
high
by
mr
robertson
on
the
likelihood
of
being
approved,
but
with
item
number
three,
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
it
railing
at
all.
I
think
it
would
be.
The
idea
would
be
to
put
some
type
of
wall
and
then
you'd
have
some
type
of
grass
space
in
between
the
wall
which,
where
the
water
would
be
in
the
sidewalk
or
trail
so
it'd
say
whatever
the
requirement
would
be
to
where
you
wouldn't
have
to
have
a
railing.
A
O
Sure
I'm
bob
robertson
project
administration,
department,
director
and
did
you
want
me
to
get
into
the
details
of
each
of
those
options
vice
mayor
or
just
talk
about
option
three.
A
Let's
go
ahead
and
hit
them
all
just
so:
we've
talked
about
them
since
you
haven't.
You
already
have
the
backup.
O
Okay,
so
I
could
share
a
screen,
but
maybe
I
could
just
get
by
with
just
talking
about
it.
The
first
option
is,
as
you
mentioned,
is
the
idea
of
of
a
boardwalk
of
some
kind.
Mr.
A
O
As
presented
in
the
backup
from
that
study
that
you
mentioned
that
we
had
cardinal
do
for
us
as
our
engineer
of
record
back
in
2018,
this
elevated
boardwalk
here
contemplates
using
driven
piles
to
support
the
boardwalk
elevated
over
the
riprap
or
the
revetment
project
area,
as
you
can
see
here
see
if
I
can
get
a
pin
working
for
it.
This
shows
this
plan
shows
the
railings
that
you're
talking
about
vice
mayor.
O
I
don't
know
that,
with
the
with
a
elevated
boardwalk
like
this,
that
we
could
get
away
without
them,
which
I
think
is
why
you're
probably
contemplating
or
considering
option
three
as
a
recommendation.
But
we
could
do
this
as
either
timber
or
cast
in
place
concrete
decking,
and
it
certainly
would
be
a
robust
option.
O
The
concern
would
be
permitting
through
the
core,
because,
as
mentioned,
these
piles
will
be
driven
through
the
revetment
project
area,
the
bowler
area.
O
The
second
option
would
be
to
do
that:
the
same
type
of
trail
system,
but
putting
the
the
sidewalk
on
top
of
the
revetment
project
that
would
reduce
the
cost.
But
again
we
probably
have
to
use
some
kind
of
a
railing
system
or
maybe
a
parapet
wall
if
we
can
get
away
with
it,
depending
on
the
distance
that
we
would
have
between
the
edge
of
the
sidewalk
and
the
revetment
area.
O
Well,
I
guess
a
variation
on
the
second
would
be
where
we
actually
excavated
part
of
the
existing
riprap
zone
and
built
a
six
foot
or
so
sidewalk
up
against
the
curb
line.
O
O
This
is
the
one
that
you
were
talking
about
and
focusing
on
this
again
would
be
having
the
impact
of
of
excavating
some
of
the
revetment
project
area,
but
replacing
that,
with
with
a
sheet
pile
kind
of
an
effective
sea
wall
back
there,
which
would
that
which
we
were
pretty
confident
the
army
corps
would
accept,
because
we
know
that
that
is
an
effective
erosion
control.
Stabilization
strategy
and
again,
as
you
said,
we
do
have
the
railing
that
I
think
would
be
crucial.
O
This
is
not
something
that
the
engineer
is
recommending,
mostly
because
we
don't
think
it
would
be
a
very
permanent
solution.
There
would
be
a
lot
of
maintenance
involved
with
erosion.
The
concrete
wouldn't
likely
be
very
stable
because
you
don't
have
a
very
stable
base,
even
though
that
is
those
are
riprap
boulders.
O
So
there
is
some
concern
about
the
permanence
of
this
option,
so
that
is
really
the
summary
of
the
the
four
options
that
the
engineer
presented.
There
are
certain
certainly
variations
of
these,
and
there
are
certain
variations
that
you
could
do
along
the
way
where
you
have
different
styles,
so
that
we
we
could
look
at
that.
O
If
that's
the
board's
preference,
we
could
do
that
as
maybe
as
feasibility,
if,
if
we
move
to
a
design
stage,
but
with
that
voicemail
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you
and
I
will
stop
sharing
and
have
me
bring
back
up
images.
If
you
want
me
to.
A
Okay,
mr
robertson,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
So
this
is
a
discussion
item.
I
want
to
go
ahead
and,
after
my
comments
go
to
the
commissioner's
comments
and
from
a
discussion
standpoint,
but
I'd
like
to
at
least
try
to
get
a
consensus
tonight
and
let
city
manager
know
what
the
board
feels
on
this
potential
project.
A
But
from
that
again
I
just
think
this
would
be
a
beneficial
two
things
as
well
is.
We
could
also
raise
the
area
a
little
bit
too
in
an
event
of
coastal
rising
tides.
That's
another
benefit
too.
So,
there's
actually
three
potential
benefits
for
this.
One
would
be
safety,
two
would
be
recreation
and
three
would
be
potential
rising
tides.
So,
with
that
I'm
going
to
go
to
commissioner
taylor
candy.
If
you
have
any
comments
or
discussion
or
any
thoughts
on
this.
G
Thank
you
yeah.
I
mean
just
historically,
first
and
foremost
I'll
say
that
you
know
this
project
was
basically
a
travesty
and
it's
unfortunate
that
it
went
down
the
way
that
it
did.
It's
also
unfortunate
that
this
commission
is,
you
know,
having
to
discuss
some
cost
estimates.
You
know
in
the
range
of
million
to
two
million
dollars
to
try
and
rectify
this
wrong,
but
I
do
think
it
is
important.
Vice
mayor.
G
I
do
agree
that
you
know
something
something
here
needs
to
be
done,
and
I
think
that
this
commission,
as
well
as
commission's
past,
have
have
tried
to
initiate
that
process.
Being
you
know,
with
the
sidewalk
across
the
street,
trying
to
get
people
off
of
the
off
of
the
road
as
they
don't
have
some
places
to
walk
on
a
suitable
sidewalk.
So
you
know,
I
think
that
we've
we've
tried
to
get
this
ball
rolling,
at
least
from
a
walkability
standpoint.
G
G
And
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
definitely
don't
know
where
this
project,
if
we
selected
an
option
today
how
that
falls
into
our
budget
or
our
planning
process
for
the
budget,
especially
given
some
of
the
projects
that
we're
going
to
potentially
undertake
in
the
near
future.
All
things
considered,
so
you
know
in
an
ideal
world,
it
would
be
nice
if
we
could.
G
You
know
really
look
at
this
as
like
a
a
lasting
legacy,
type
project
right
and
be
able
to
utilize
as
many
grant
funds
as
possible
to
try-
and
you
know-
take
this
from
take
this-
this
walkway
from
craig
park.
You
know
on
around
to
golf
road,
which
is,
I
think,
how
how
you
envision
it
vice
mayor
and
other
people
in
the
past
have
as
well
and
really
make
a
nice
know.
Waterfront.
G
I
forget
what
I
forget,
what
we
called
it
one
time
before,
but
I
think
if
I
had
to
to
pick
an
option,
I
would
pick
option
two
and
I
think
it
achieves
it
achieves
basically
what
what
we're
trying
to
do
at
a
you
know
middle
of
the
road
price
point.
I
see
that
the
likelihood
of
approval
is
low,
but
I
mean
you
know.
Sometimes
you
don't
know
until
you
ask
and
my
question
for
for
you
bob
would
be.
G
G
So
that's
so
that's
not
in
the
on
the
front
page.
It
says
that
it
would
be
a
narrow
I'm
trying
to
go
back
to
the
back
up.
Sorry
guys
it
would
be
a
at
grade
narrow,
concrete,
sidewalk
right.
So
I
think
that
that's
a
little
misleading
as
it
relates
to
narrow,
because
I
don't
think
six
feet
is-
is
too
narrow.
So
if
I
had
to
pick
I'd
say
that
the
at-grade
concrete
sidewalk
trail
would
be
my
most
favorable
option,
both
both
in
design
and
from
a
budgetary
standpoint.
G
O
I
don't
have
a
number
for
you
on
that.
I
think
we'll
have
to
get
into
what
the
design
criteria
would
need
to
be
when
we
get
into
the
design.
I
would
hope
that
I
could,
as
a
vice
mayor
articulated
earlier,
find
a
way
to
eliminate
it
as
long
as
we've
got
that
buffer
there.
G
What
if
we,
what
if
we
took
kind
of
some
components
of
multiple
options
right
and
if
you
did,
if
you
could
do
number
two
instead
of
having
a
railing,
if
you
could
just
have
a
couple
turf
blocks
stacked,
you
know
20
inches
high.
Would
that
be
enough
buffer
to
keep
somebody
from
fallen
over
onto
the
rip
rap.
O
It
potentially
could,
but
I
like
what
you're
saying
there
that-
and
I
think
that's
probably
what
we
would
wind
up
with
is
some
degree
of
variability
up
and
down
the
whole
corridor.
Some
places
are
going
to
have
a
version
of
option
two,
some
we're
going
to
have
a
version
of
option,
three,
just
probably
trying
to
minimize
costs
and
also
eliminate
those
railings
wherever
we
can.
G
And
also
to
your
point,
in
terms
of
their
variability,
my
recollection
is
on
on
parts
of
this
project,
as
well
as
where
they
did
some
improvements
on
the
kramer
bayou.
There
are
already
in
some
areas
sheet
piles
that
were
that
were
driven
down,
probably
what
on
like
25
to
30
percent
of
the
linear
area,
at
least
so
I
mean
you
know
that
component.
If
we
were
to
consider
you
know
some
variables
that
has
already
been
done
in
some
areas
of
of
the
subject
100.
G
I
think
it's
1500
feet,
so
you
know
ultimately
I'd
like
to
see
it
go
across
the
bridge
as
well
to
that
kind
of
nice
area
of
green
space.
Even
if
it
just
even
if
we
didn't
go
all
the
way
around.
You
know
in
some
parts
because
of
some
jurisdiction
that
we
don't
have,
even
if
it
crossed
the
bridge,
and
we
picked
it
up
onto
that
green
space.
I
think
it
would
certainly
help
you
know,
move
the
ball
closer
to
getting
to
the
golf
road
connection.
G
So
those
those
are
my
comments
for
now.
I'm
looking
forward
to
what
everybody
else
has
to
say.
A
Thanks,
commissioner,
terry
penny
to
I
guess,
to
clarify
too
the
idea
of
it
going
across
the
bridge,
because,
yes,
I
completely
support
that
into
the
green
space
and
then
continue
it
around
and
basically
create
a
crosswalk
on
whitcomb
boulevard
in
between
bayou
and
carolina
onto
the
sidewalk
there,
because
there's
a
significant
amount
of
green
space
that
the
city
owns.
It's
not
considered
a
park
today,
it's
not
really
utilized
very
well,
but
I
think
this
would.
That
would
really
help
utilize
it.
So
I
think
that's
a
great
idea,
commissioner.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
vice
mayor
first.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
being
so
accommodating.
I
know
this
has
been
probably
pushed
back
since
I
think
may
your
your
items
kept
getting
bottomed
out
at
the
end
of
the
agendas
at
long
meetings.
So
I
appreciate
you
being
gracious
enough
to
let
it
go
this
long.
I
do
have
a
few
questions.
I
guess
I'll
direct
them
at
you
vice
mayor
and
I
think
someone
might
be
more
geared
toward
mr
robertson,
so
just
kind
of
defer
what
whatever
you
guys
think.
E
Yeah,
that's
what
I
saw.
It
seemed
a
little
low
but
okay
and
then
a
vice
mayor
for
your
specific
option
that
you
were
leaning
towards
would
so
would
that
be
no
railing
at
all.
A
E
Okay,
yeah,
I
mean
I'm
of
the
same
mindset
that
you've
heard
already
tonight
that
the
rocks
are
ugly
and
I
wish
that
they
hadn't
been
put
in
in
the
past.
As
far
as
no
railing
goes,
I
think
they
need
to
cover
up
the
majority
of
the
rocks.
At
least
I'm
an
insurance
guy,
and
it
already
just
seems
kind
of,
like
a
liability
nightmare
having
no
railing
on
something
that
people
could
be
skating
down,
biking
down,
running
down
and
then
falling
over
to
jagged.
E
You
know
concrete
rocks
so
that
that
would
be
something
from
a
safety
perspective.
That
concerned
me,
and
then
this
one
is
for
mr
robertson.
Would
the
cost
still
be
accurate
or
in
your
professional
opinion,
do
you
think
they
would
have
gone
up
roughly
gone
down
roughly
or
about
the
same.
O
E
Okay,
and
would
you
anticipate
any
grants
or
aid
available
from
the
county,
possibly
in
these
projects
or
no.
O
E
E
Okay
and
that
kind
of
leads
me
to
my
next
point
of
just
what
the
homeowner's
opinions
and
options
are,
because
I
know,
obviously,
when
people
bought
those
homes
they
got,
you
know
waterfront
property.
They
were
looking
out
to
the
mangroves
in
the
water
there
they
weren't
happy
when
the
rocks
got
put
in
I'd.
Imagine
they'd
be
a
lot
less
happy
when
a
walkway
or
a
boardwalk
got
put
in
if
it
was
elevated
or
something
like
that.
O
I
think,
generally
speaking,
we've
heard
from
the
public
on
on
several
occasions
and
most
seem
to
support
some
kind
of
improvement
on
the
west
side.
What
that
looks
like
you
know,
we're
still
very
early
in
any
concept.
So
if
the
board
is
desirous
of
moving
forward
with
some
kind
of
design,
I
certainly
can
envision
a
public
meeting
or
two
where
we
we
get.
We
ask
for
public
comment.
O
We
have
some
renderings
for
people
to
look
at
so
they
understand
what
the
board
is
trying
to
do
and
and
get
the
input
from
the
public
directly.
E
Thank
you
yeah
I
mean
I,
I
definitely
support
getting
more
details
and
and
some
updated
price
points.
My
fear
on
this
project
as
a
whole
just
comes
down
to
the
value
that
we're
getting.
I
mean
it's
a
1500
square
or
1500
foot
walkway
we're
talking
about
and
we're
talking
about
prices
over.
You
know
1.5
million
in
some
cases.
E
That's
that's
why
I
would
be
leaning
towards
not
supporting
doing
anything
with
it
until
we
found
out
more
about
the
price
points
you
know
just
be
between
the
options.
You
know
the
lowest
one
being
the
naturally
solid
trail
that
they
say
you
know,
isn't
feasible,
that's
almost
500
000,
but
then
some
range
up
to
over
2.2
million.
E
A
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner
vada
kyoto.
F
A
I'm
looking
for
a
consensus
to
provide
to
the
city
manager
on
the
next
steps,
so
preferably
it
would
be
a
design
idea
that
is
a
consensus
amongst
the
board
and
asked
them
to
come
back
and
come
up
with
the
preliminary
designs
that
we
could
at
least
put
in
a
budget.
Standpoint
may
not
be
this
year,
but
at
least
prioritize
and
other
priority
projects
that
we
have
within
the
city.
F
A
F
A
Yeah,
that's
a
city
project,
so
mr
robson
could
talk
about
that.
I
would
imagine-
or
we
could
defer
that
to
the
city
manager,
but
I
don't
think
he's
here
to
answer
that.
O
Sure
yeah,
you
know
we
did
present
the
roundabout
concept.
O
We
did
a
feasibility
analysis
and
a
conceptual
design
with
a
cost
estimate
associated
with
it
for
that
roundabout,
which
would
also
include
the
stormwater
upgrades
raising
the
elevation
of
that
intersection
to
get
it
above
the
mean
high
high
water
level.
It
is
it's
in
in
it
is
at
the
conceptual
design
stage
and
has
stopped
there.
We
don't
have
monies
identified
to
move
forward
with
the
design,
and
if
that
is
a
direction
of
the
board,
we
would
need
to
know
that.
F
So,
basically,
what
you
presented
at
the
last
meeting,
nothing
has
changed
since
then.
That's
correct,
okay,
and
we
had
asked
at
that
time
to
look
into
the
flooding
and
some
other
aspects
and
come
up
back
with
some
ideas,
but
don't
get
me
wrong,
I'm
not
picking
on
you.
I
understand
there's
no
funding
for
that.
I'm
not
sure
what
the
funding
is
for
this
project
either.
F
At
this
point,
let
me
just
say
something:
on
a
personal
note:
I've
been
accused
of
reckless
spending
planning
without
prioritizing
not
having
any
ideas
for
things,
and
then
I
see
ourselves
looking
at
potentially
2.2
million
dollars
for
the
commission
to
decide
to
go
to
the
city
manager
and
give
him
direction
to
come
up
with
a
design
that
could
potentially
cost
2.2
million
dollars
without
having
any
idea
of
where
this
funding
is
going
to
go
and
whether
what
any
ideas
the
priorities
are.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
that.
F
Back
in
2015,
the
city
manager
was
very
adamant
that
nothing
could
be
done
with
this
area.
The
army
corps
told
him
absolutely
nothing.
I
took
it
upon
myself,
contacted
the
army
corps
and
they
said
they
didn't
understand
what
that
issue
was
they'd,
be
happy
to
look
at
any
design
that
we
have,
and
so
I
came
forward
and
actually,
the
last
time
before
we
got
into
this
type
of
discussion
with
mr
robertson
involved.
F
Mr
sherman
was
a
project
administrator
and
he
asked
me
for
some
design
details
and
I
gave
him
three
conceptual
designs
for
this
project
and
I
can
assure
and
also
discuss
them
with
the
army
corps
and
it's
a
simple
structural
slab.
The
army
corps,
and
basically
the
one
fundamental
aspect
of
what
would
be
required
is
that
it
would
provide
the
same
stability,
the
bank
stabilization
as
a
revenue,
and
that
was
their
only
condition.
They
really
care
about
breaking
through
the
underlying
gravel
or
anything
like
that.
F
All
they
cared
was
about
that
that
it
would
satisfy
the
same
needs,
so
they
would
be
happy
to
look
at
our
design
and
that
hasn't
been
done
and
the
whole
idea.
The
whole
argument
behind
the
city
manager
at
that
time
was
cost
cost
cost
cost,
and
I
understand
that
when
you're
looking
at
two
million
dollars,
so
I
suggested
to
him-
and
this
was
before
I
was
a
commissioner-
let's
take
a
small
section-
maybe
between
craig
park
and
lemon
street.
F
Let's
permit
that
and
see
what
the
army
corps
will
really
allow
at
a
much
less
expense.
We
won't
spend
anywhere
near
the
prices
that
are
shown
here
and
find
out
what
they
will
provide
as
a
design
what
they
would
allow
as
far
as
a
design
along
the
lines
of
the
structural
slab
that
didn't
go
anywhere.
F
So
we've
talked
about
this
with
with
regard
to
the
safety
aspect
of
spring
boulevard,
and
finally,
it
was
decided
to
put
sidewalks
on
the
east
side
of
spring
boulevard,
and
yet
this
thing
is
continuing
to
fester
and
I
agree
with
every
commissioner.
This
is
an
eyesore.
It
should
not
have
been
approved.
F
To
begin
with,
I
actually
had
conversations
with
the
coastal
management
manager
at
the
county
and
about
supporting
something
like
this
actually
trying
to
get
more
money
for
the
ankle
river
dredging,
and
his
comment
to
us
to
me
personally
was
that,
after
after
contributing
over
a
million
dollars
for
this
project,
you
expect
us
to
really
contribute
more
than
what
the
the
300
and
something
thousand
was
the
county
did.
I
said
yes,
meaning
from
his
perspective.
F
This
has
got
a
sour
taste
in
his
mouth
as
well
as
far
as
the
amount
of
money
that
they
put
into
this
project.
So
I'm
looking
at
two
million
dollars
for
1500
feet
worst
case,
and
then
you
look
at
your
drawing
that
mr
robertson's
provided
and
it
takes
it
all
the
way
over
to
golf
road.
And
can
you
imagine
the
amount
of
money
we
would
be
asking
the
county
to
contribute
on
this,
so
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
build
a
trail
to
nowhere.
F
I
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
spend
is
going
to
go
and
achieve
its
objective,
and
I
don't
see
that
that's
the
case.
At
this
point,
I
tend
to
agree
with
commissioner
donovan.
There
needs
to
be
a
whole
lot
more
league
work
before
we
continue
spending
valuable
time
on
our
part
to
decide
how
to
proceed
in
this,
and
you
know
the
the
I
don't
believe
cardinals
numbers
at
all.
I
think
it's
completely
over
designed.
F
I
think
it
can
be
done
much
simpler
and
I
think
the
army
corps
would
be
receptive
to
something
simpler
as
well.
So
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
this
more
realistic.
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
some
cons.
Conversations
with
the
army
corps
to
find
out
exactly
what
they
will
and
will
not
allow.
I
don't
think
that's
been
done
in
any
in
any
level
of
detail
at
all
other
than
we
can't
if
we
can't
affect
the
revenment
or
the
stability
or
anything
like
that.
F
Now
I
spoke
to
a
contractor
and
basically
he
rounded
off
the
amount
of
money
that
we
spent
on
these
granite
small
granite
boulders.
They
were
about
five
dollars
a
piece
so
next
time
we
drive
by
spring
boulevard.
Let's
look
at
that
those
gravel
boulders
and
see
how
much
how
many
boulders
we
have
there
at
five
dollars
a
piece,
so
I
would
suspect,
before
we
have
any
kind
of
a
demolition
and
give
away
this
very,
very
expensive
product
that
we
would
find
some
location
or
some
vendor
that
would
take
them
for
resale.
F
I
don't
know
whether
that
would
be
consistent
with
our
purchasing
guidelines
or
abandoning
public
property,
but
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
as
well.
So
at
this
point
I
I
don't
want
to
go
any
further
on
this
I
mean
vice
mayor
carr.
I
agree
with
you
100
that
something
has
to
be
done.
I
think
that's
the
consensus
that
you
have
from
the
commission.
F
F
I
think
they
could
be
a
lot
cheaper
than
what
we're
seeing
right
there
and
I
don't
want
to
start
wasting
a
whole
lot
of
staff
time
on
something
that
ultimately
isn't
going
to
go
anywhere,
because
we've
got
a
whole
lot
of
other
projects
that
need
to
be
done
in
another,
a
whole
lot
of
other
areas
in
the
city
that
need
to
prioritize-
and
you
know,
commissioner
donovan.
I
appreciate
you
stating
that
the
vice
mayor
is
stuck
with
this
and
and
it's
been
deferred.
F
There's
my
planning,
prioritization
effort
has
been
stalled
since
I
got
sworn
in
not
because
of
it
not
having
a
need
to
go
forward.
It's
because
of
this
covid
thing.
So
I'm
very
much
looking
forward
to
getting
to
that
point.
We
can
talk
about
that
absent
of
the
budget,
which
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
happen
at
this
point,
but
we've
got
a
budget
coming
up
with
a
capital
improvement
program,
the
budget's
pretty
much
done,
except
the
way
we
needed
to
deal
with
it.
F
And,
quite
frankly,
at
this
point
I
I
don't
know
how
this
is
all
going
to
fit
in.
I
mean
suppose
that
you
know
we
come
up
with
some
design.
Is
this
going
to
be
a
high
enough
priority
compared
to
some
of
these
other
things?
I
don't
I
don't
know,
but
we
need
to
discuss
that,
so
I'm
not
willing
to
give
the
staff
any
direction
this
evening.
I
I
don't
know
whether
my
thoughts
are
consistent
with
commissioner
donovan's,
but
at
this
point
I
think
we
need
much
more
information.
I
need.
F
F
They've
gone
from
their
interest
to
being
from
the
mean
high
water
line.
Now
it's
to
the
top
of
bank
and
we've
got
a
top
of
bank
here
as
well.
So
we
need
some
clarification
from
that.
It's
a
highly
technical
area.
The
design
of
this
is
highly
technical.
You
can
spend
a
whole
lot
of
money
needlessly
and
that's
where
I
am
I'd
like
to
have
more
information
and,
and
vice
mayor
carr.
I
I
regret
my
tone
here
this
evening,
but
it's
this
sort
of
conversation.
It
frustrates
me
to
know
when
thank
you.
A
C
Yes,
we've
received
one
dear
mayor
vice
mayor
and
commissioners.
It
seems
likely
that
whatever
form
this
initial
trail
takes
along
the
eastern
side
of
wycombe
value
will
become
the
model
for
the
trail
extending
around
the
rest
of
the
value
and
perhaps
to
the
beaches.
It
is
critical,
then,
to
get
it
right
at
the
onset
and
to
include
awareness
of
sea
level
rise
in
the
plans,
turn
the
tide
for
tarpon
favors,
the
elevated
boardwalk
proposal,
but
this
proposal
does
not
go
far
enough
to
raise
the
walkway.
C
We
recommend
a
structure
which
significantly
raises
the
overall
height
of
the
berm.
This
requires
making
the
rip-rap
impervious
to
water,
so
that
flooding
does
not
occur.
Underneath
the
eventual
boardwalk
once
the
riprap
has
been
made
impervious,
the
existing
height
should
be
increased
to
allow
for
sea
level
rise.
We
recognize
concerns
regarding
overall
cost.
Fortunately,
federal
grant
money
is
currently
available
for
projects
like
this,
and
this
is
from
jeff
larson
president
cassie
mccabe.
Vice
president
aaliyah
garrett,
secretary
and
paul
robinson
treasurer
of
to
earn
the
tides
for
tarpon.
A
C
A
Q
It's
mary
coburn,
hello,
everybody.
So
those
of
you
that
know
me
know
that
I
I
have
a
house
on
the
bayou
near
the
the
whitcomb
bridge
and
of
course
my
parents
live
next
door
and
my
parents
own
the
apartments
from
there
to
the
corner.
So
we
we're
probably
the
largest
stakeholders
on
this
strip
of
the
of
the
bayou,
and
it's
going
to
affect
us
very
much,
because
we
also
have
a
lot
of
flooding
because
of
the
corner
there
with
martin
luther
king,
so
I'm
very
leery
of
either
of
not
doing
it
right.
Q
That's
my
biggest
fear
here.
So
my
concern
is
the
flooding.
Q
My
concern
is
that
whatever's
done
on
the
with
this
roundabout
has
to
be
coordinated
with
this
other,
so
that
there's
no
the
attempt
to
make
it
safe
and
build
it
up
doesn't
cause
water
to
accumulate
in
my
home
in
the
apartments
in
my
parents
home,
because
once
you
raise
that
corner,
the
water
is
going
to
go
somewhere
and
if
it
becomes
trapped.
When
we
have
a
lot
of
rain
with
a
hurricane
or
with
tide,
it's
going
to
end
up
somewhere,
and
it
could
very
well
end
up
here
because
this
home
was
built
in
68.
Q
It
was
remodeled,
but
it's
still
very
low.
So
I
have
concerns
about
that.
I
am,
I
am
happy
that
the
sidewalk
is
going
to
be
extended
on
this
other
side,
so
that
at
least
people
have
a
place
to
walk.
I
understand
the
safety
issue,
so
I
my
recommendation
is
to
do
nothing.
If
it's
not
done
well
I'd,
like
you
know,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
making
a
beautiful
walkway
out
there
for
people
years
ago.
Q
It
was
just
grass
and
people
walked
their
dogs
and
fished,
and
you
know
enjoyed
it,
but
it's
got
to
be
done
properly
or
or
it
can
be
a
real
problem
so
and
quite
expensive.
So
those
are
my
thoughts.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
mr
jump.
Is
there
anybody
else,
that's
willing
to
comment
tonight.
N
Hi
julie,
wade,
1095
mainsail,
thank
you
for
looking
at
this
and
pulling
back
just
a
little
bit.
What's
the
status
of
that
bridge
there
where
we
currently
have
to
cross
is
on
the
east
side,
and
it's
quite
narrow,
is
that
bridge
up
for
replacement
or
renewal.
N
A
Okay,
if
I
could
ask
mr
robertson,
miss
wade
asked
a
question:
if
there's
a
plan
to
replace
the
mlk
bridge,
I'm
not
aware
of
one.
Is
there
any
discussions
amongst
the
city.
A
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
based
on
the
different
comments
tonight,
I'm
just
going
to
summarize
what
I
believe
was
the
consensus
overall,
that
we
direct
staff
to
look
at
some
type
of
solution
on
the
west
side
of
south
spring
boulevard.
That
would
incorporate
a
wider
sidewalk.
That's
not
a
narrow
sidewalk.
A
Miss
coburn
brought
up
the
aspect
of.
If
we're
going
to
do
this
right
or
if
we
do
this,
it
needs
to
be
done
right,
and
I
believe
this
is
an
issue
that
we
run
into
that
some
years
ago,
maybe
10
years
ago,
when
this
was
first
done,
it
wasn't
done
right
and
now
it's
our
responsibility
to
come
back
and
try
to
fix
it
and
then
again
spend
taxpayers
money
to
fix
an
area.
That's
a
that's
a
hazard!
It's
a
blight
in
my
opinion
and
there's
still
an
opportunity
to
increase
recreation
around
this
area.
A
So
with
that,
I
just
I
summarized
what
I
felt
was
a
consensus.
A
I
just
want
to
do
a
quick
roll
call
to
see
if
we're
all
aligned
in
this
again
we're
not
committing
to
spending
to
doing
the
project
we're
committing
this.
This
is
the
direction
to
staff,
to
come
back
to
the
commission
with
some
rough
estimates
and
a
better
alternative
from
a
design
standpoint
and
then
also
talk
with
the
army
corps
of
engineer,
based
on
our
conversations
tonight,.
E
A
Okay,
yeah,
so
just
clarification,
we're
not
approving
the
project,
this
isn't
to
say,
move
forward
with
the
project.
This
is
to
come
back
to
the
commission,
based
on
our
discussions
from
preliminary
design
and
ideas.
Discussion
wise,
commissioner,
terry.
G
Penny
so
when
you
say
come
back
to
the
commission
like
based
on
what
was
said
tonight,
vice
mayor,
coming
back
to
the
commission,
just
with
more
analysis
on
the
on
the
project,
because,
based
on
what
I
heard
tonight,
it
doesn't
seem
like
there's
much
consensus
until
there's
more
to
digest,
which
I
guess
is.
Maybe
your
point.
A
I
feel
there's
really
a
need
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
what
this
project
can
be
and
what
it
could
look
like
and
cost
wise,
there's,
multiple
individuals
that
had
concerns
about
cost,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
reasons.
I
want
to
ask
the
staff
to
look
at
that
closer
again.
The
areas
where
cheaper
alternatives
from
proposed
design
with
stages.
A
F
Mr
van
gogh,
thank
you
vice
mayor.
My
interest
in
this
is
one
to
have
some
conversations
with
the
army
corps.
First,
to
pin
that
down,
rather
than
having
a
basically
a
table
that
says
likelihood
of
usace
approval,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
that
means.
So
I'd
like
to
have
some
more
formal
conversations
between
the
staff
and
the
army
corps
concerning
this,
as
far
as
what
they
were
willing
to
accept,
whether
it's
a
structural
slab
or
a
race
deck
or
whatever.
F
So
we
can
eliminate
those
before
staff
embarks
on
any
kind
of
spending
time
on
designs
and
things
of
that
nature.
That's
number
one
number
two.
We
did
talk
about
the
roundabout,
although
that's
not
my
favorite
project.
We
heard
a
whole
lot
about
it
from
the
residents
on
this,
but
a
big
part
of
that
roundabout
was
the
flood
control
in
that
area.
Nothing
has
been
done
in
that
regard,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
you
can
come
up
with
any
kind
of
a
design,
whether
it's
a
sidewalk
or
anything
like
that,
without
taking
into
account
flooding.
F
So
I
would
like,
in
addition
to
having
a
conversation
with
the
army
corps
for
the
city
staff,
to
come
up
with
some
resolution
of
coordinating
both
the
flooding
and
whatever
they
would
propose
to
do
based
on
conversations
with
the
army
corps,
and
then
we
need
to
make
a
decision
on.
If
you
recall
vice
mayor
carr,
that
roundabout
had
an
observation
deck
where
the
old
boat
ramp
was.
I-
and
I
asked
at
that
time
whether
a
bicycle
trail
was
incorporated
in
this
design,
and
mr
robertson
said
no,
so
none
of
that
has
come
back.
F
Even
if
we
do
do
this
trail
and
we
put
some
section
of
it.
I
think
it
goes
to
virginia
before
it
turns
into
county
right-of-way.
F
The
one
thing
that,
with
regard
to
the
flooding
we've
talked
about
in
ground
voltage
systems
with
pumps
for
eliminating
the
waters
down
to
sponge,
docks
we're
looking
at
a
prototype,
I
think
there's
about
a
half
a
dozen
other
locations
that
we
would
do
something
like
that.
The
estimate
that
we
had
at
that
time
was
about
a
million
dollars
a
piece
this.
This
location,
I
would
suspect,
would
be
one
of
those
as
well
canal
would
be
another
one,
and
I
and
I
saw
mr
I'm
sorry,
dr
robinson's
email
concerning
flood
control.
F
I
agree
with
him
100.
I
don't
want
to
wind
up
doing
anything
here,
giving
the
illusion
of
some
design
for
a
bicycle
trail
and
that
whole
thing
unravels
once
we
start
getting
into
flood
mitigation
for
in
some
way
or
another.
So
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
lot
of
groundwork
before
we
start
looking
at
having
staff
spending
time
on
it
on
a
design,
I'm
not
trying
to
kick
the
can
down
the
street.
F
I
have
been
a
big
believer
and
when
the
mayor
first
became
elected
the
first
term,
I
sat
down
with
him
and
gave
him
three
projects.
One
of
them
was
a
trail
from
lemon
street
library
all
the
way
out
this
route,
all
the
way
out
to
to
the
beaches
and
the
schools.
All
I
got
from
him
and
the
city
manager
at
the
time
was
that
the
army
corps
said
it
can't
be
done,
which
was
not
correct.
It
was
not
accurate
information.
F
So
having
gone
through
this
lesson
once
where
the
army
corps
has
been
misrepresented,
I
don't
know
for
a
fact
that,
what's
being
shown
here
with
this
likelihood
of
army
corps,
approval
is
actually
accurate
or
not.
I
just
would
like
to
see
more
on
that
and
actually
that
come
back
to
the
commission
and
present
it
along
with
how
we're
going
to
accommodate
the
flood
control
in
that
area
and
take
into
account
getting
over
the
bridge,
how
that's
supposed
to
work
and
whether
we're
going
to
proceed
with
a
roundabout
or
whether
we're
going
to
abandon
it.
F
A
Thank
you
so
coming
out
of
this,
I
would
like
to
have
at
least
some
direction
where
they're
going
to
drop
it
entirely
or
we'd
have
some
type
of
hybrid
or
we'd
move
forward
with
something
so
based
on
what
I
heard
from
commissioner
vada
kyota
says
that
a
discussion
with
the
army
corps
and
engineer
would
be
an
important
thing
to
have
and
figure
out
some
type
of
design
aspect
of
the
flooding
and
proposed
roundabout.
How
that
would
be
tied
in
with
the
potential
sidewalk
on
the
south
spring
boulevard.
Is
that
correct.
F
Yeah
vice
mayor,
one
last
thing
on
any
kind
of
a
consensus
with
this
board:
I'd
like
to
give
a
date
certain
on
this
thing.
That's
another
thing
that
happened
since
2015.
This
is
one
of
the
other
frustrating
parts
on
this.
We
continue
kicking
down
the
can
down
the
street
without
giving
a
date.
Certainly
we
want
to
hear
back
on
this,
and
so
I
feel
strongly
about
this.
F
A
Okay,
coming
back
to
commissioner
terry,
danny.
G
Thanks
vice
mayor,
I
had
two
things.
One
is
following
up
on
what
commissioner
vaticuz
just
said
with
the
date
certain.
I
have
a
question
for
steph
bob.
What
do
you
think
you
all
be
coming
back
with
some
kind
of
update
or
project
completion
regarding
the
sidewalks
in
this
area?.
O
Well,
just
a
quick
update
on
that.
The
contractor
is
set
to
start
construction
this
week
they
have
a
90-day
schedule.
We
think
they're
going
to
be
able
to
beat
that
so
probably
the
next
project
update.
Certainly
you
monitor
if
you
can
monitor
the
spreadsheet,
we'll
I'll,
be
emailing
that
out
now
weekly
to
the
board
commissioner's
mailing
list.
G
So
maybe
around
I
mean
prior
to
90
days.
If
the
commission
wants
an
answer.
Sooner
than
later,
we
could
kind
of
tie
the
the
update
on
what
we're
talking
about
to
the
completion
possible
completion
of
the
sidewalks.
G
I
would
just
float
that
out
there
as
a
as
a
time
frame
and
then
in
addition
to
that,
I
would
say
I
would
ask
the
board
what
their
comfort
was
on
making
commissioner
vaticiotis
a
liaison
so
to
speak
regarding
this
and
the
talks
with
the
army
corps
if
he
could
participate
with
staff
in
that,
I
think
that
would
be
a
good,
a
good
person
to
have,
as
liaison
to
the
board,
to
try-
and
you
know,
keep
us
abreast
periodically
as
the
board
and
the
staff
has
discussions
with
the
army
corps
on
this.
F
G
Okay,
if
we
can,
how
do
y'all
feel
about
the
the
date
I
mean
to
me,
the
sidewalk.
You
know
that
was
something
that
forced
our
hand
a
little
bit
this
this
area.
You
know
the
elimination
of
a
safe
place
to
walk
for
our
residents,
kind
of
forced
our
hand
on
having
to
create
the
sidewalk
across
the
street.
So
to
me,
they
kind
of
go
hand
in
hand
in
terms
of
bringing
something
back
to
the
commission.
Do
you
all
are
all
comfortable
with
that
for
a
date,
certain.
A
Yeah,
I
can,
I
want
to
just
a
quick
clarification
from
mr
robertson
and
maybe
mr
commissioner
vaticodes,
reaching
out
to
the
army
corps.
How
long
do
you
think
that
would
take
to
do
at
least
from
a
discussion
standpoint.
O
That's
that's
not
one
that
would
take
too
long,
but
since,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
will
say
that
the
estimates
of
permittability
that
were
provided
in
that
report
were
based
on
conversations
with
the
army
corps,
but
that
is
a
couple
years
old
now
and
I'd
be
happy
to
reengage
the
army
corps
with
those
discussions.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
do
that.
So
it's
something
we
could
probably
do
in
a
reasonable
amount
of
time.
O
But
if
you're
asking
my
opinion,
which
you're
not
really
but
I'll
offer
it
anyway,
90
days
would
be
very
fair.
I
would
appreciate
that
amount
of
time.
A
Okay,
all
right,
I
would
support
that
so
to
reiterate
our
discussions
tonight
on
item
number,
six,
we're
gonna
direct
staff
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
army
corps.
Commissioner
vaticodes
is
going
to
be
assisting
from
the
commission
standpoint
and
then
also
staff
would
look
at
how
this
would
tie
into
flooding
issues
at
the
end
of
mlk
and
south
spring
boulevard
at
the
mlk
bridge
and
how
it
potentially
could
tie
into
the
roundabout
that
was
proposed
as
well.
F
Mayor,
I
yes,
the
I
I'd
like
to
establish
the
first
meeting
in
november
for
report,
that's
about
90
days,
and
I
think
that
that
report
should
include
not
only
the
army
corps
comments,
but
also
what
we're
going
to
do
about
flooding
and
also
in
that
area,
and
also
discuss
the
bridge
and
also
have
some
information
back
from
the
county.
F
As
far
as
what
they're
interested
in
participating,
like,
I
said,
there's
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
on
this
thing
and
I
think
it
all
needs
to
be
wrapped
together,
and
I
think
at
that
time
we
can
make
a
decision
on
the
direction
that
we
want
to
go.
And
I
I
I
think
and
that's
when
I
think
that
whoever
is
going
to
do
the
design
on
this
might
have
something
that
they
can
sink
their
teeth
in.
A
Okay,
commissioner,
okay,
police,
chief
and
acting
city
manager
is
that
clear.
I
Yeah,
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
so
again,
commissioner
vatikiovis
will
be
the
board
liaison
with
staff
to
work
with
the
army
corps
to
evaluate
different
design
options.
You
also
want
to
look
at
flooding
in
the
area
tied
into
the
roundabout
project.
With
mr
vaticah
was
mentioned,
the
bridge
and
then
engage
in
the
county
to
see
what
kind
of
interest
they
may
have
in
furthering
this
project.
Correct.
A
Commissioner
vaticos
thanks
for
bringing
your
expertise
from
the
engineering
side
and
your
passion
for
seeing
this
area
done
correctly.
So
thank
you.
F
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Let's
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
discussion
number
seven.
This
is
a
critical
facility.
Hardening
grant
is
mr
smith
on
the
line
still.
A
Okay,
hey
hey,
mr
smith,
this
came
up
from
an
email
that
you
forwarded
to
the
board
and
I
dug
into
a
little
bit
deeper.
So
first
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
your
staff
and
thank
you
for
your
leadership
and
and
assisting
with
this,
and
this,
I
believe,
is
going
through
the
florida
economic
department
of
some
sort,
for
a
grant
request.
Is
that
right.
A
Okay,
great
thank
you,
so
I
want
to
just
have
this
a
discussion
standpoint
from
the
with
the
commission.
A
Our
city
staff
has
put
together
some
great
grant
applications
with
the
city
hospital
and
also
the
water
distribution
plant
and
the
water
reclaimed
water
plant,
and
since
it
seems
to
be
in
sunshine
law,
I'd
like
mr
smith
just
to
do
a
high
level
of
what
these
applications
were
and
then
get
a
consensus
from
the
board
to
say:
let's
go
ahead
and
put
a
letter
together
to
the
director
of
this
department
and
in
favor
of
that,
the
board
of
commission
is
in
favor
of
these.
A
J
Sure
I'd
be
happy
to
so
city
staff
at
the
city
management
direction
put
together,
some
grant
applications
for
six
projects,
four
of
which
are
city
projects
and
two
of
which
were
simply
assisting
the
hospital
on
putting
those
requests
together.
J
The
first
four
I'll
go
through
here
for
the
city
include
our
wastewater
treatment
plant
hardening
project
and
by
way
of
background.
This
program
was
born
out
of
the
past
recent
hurricanes,
hermine,
matthew
and
irma,
and
the
intent
is
to
have
a
program
to
help
us
prevent
or
be
better
prepared
for
future
storms.
So
that's
the
spirit
in
which
these
projects
were
put
together,
the
first
one,
the
advanced
space
water
treatment
facility.
J
Second
project
is
the
dewatering
building,
which
is
also
on
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
site.
That's
a
metal
building
that
houses,
the
residuals
or
sludge
processing
and
that's
also
at
a
relatively
low
elevation
and
not
really
capable
withstanding
strong
winds.
So
this
would
include
replacing
that
building
envelope
to
protect
that
equipment
and
the
essential
part
of
the
treatment
process.
J
The
third
project
is
improving
the
generator
capacity
at
the
ro
facility,
both
through
the
facility
itself
and
at
the
on-site
wells.
We
learned
in
the
recent
hurricanes
that
the
wells
we
were
able
to
bring
portable
generators
to
them,
but
that
created
quite
a
logistical
drain
on
staff
resources,
so
we're
looking
at
permanent
generators
being
placed
at
the
most
critical
wells
so
that
that
portion
can
continue
to
bring
water
to
the
facility
for
supply.
J
Where
this
would
help
make
that
building
more
more
resistant
to
high
winds,
those
are
the
six
projects.
A
Mr
smith,
thank
you
for
sharing
a
high
level
on
that
again.
Thank
you
to
your
staff,
so
this
is
just
more
of
an
informal
discussion
that
I
wanted
to
bring
before
the
board.
If
you
have
any
questions
from
mr
smith
and
also
to
ask
for
a
consensus
to
put
together
a
letter,
a
letter
to
this
department
in
the
state
of
florida.
Commissioner,
taylor,
can
you
have
any
questions
paul
regarding.
G
The
grant
is
it
I'm
sorry.
I
had
to
step
out
for
a
minute.
Is
it
a
matching
grant
or
the
funds?
It's
just
tell
me
about
the
aspects
of
the
funding
for
the
grant.
J
Q
J
Dollar
range
each
and
the
match
for
the
city
ranges
somewhere
between
25
000
to
240
000,
depending
on
the
project.
I
can
also
tell
you
that
these
matching
amounts
are
already
in
our
cip
long
range
plan,
so
we'd
be
able
to
re.
You
know,
work
the
project
order
in
order
to
accommodate
those.
If
we're
successful.
G
And
then
you,
you
touched
on
a
couple
of
the
hospitals
projects
and
you
said
that
I
guess
staff
our
staff
ran
with
their
application.
Is
that
what
I
heard.
J
Yeah
we
assisted
and
helped
put
the
application
in
those
projects
are
a
bigger
project
request.
The
air
conditioning
generation
project
is
about
and
a
half
million
dollars
then
they're
asking
for
the
whole
project
amount.
In
other
words,
they
didn't
have
a
match
for
that,
and
then
the
other
project
is
nearly
20
million,
total
and
they're
looking
to
match
about
4.3
of
that
for
the
building.
G
J
Yes
and
the
reason
is
the
facility
was
built
in
the
80s,
and
the
electrical
system
actually
has
a
life
these
conductors
after
being
power
on
and
off
over
and
over
again
actually
need
to
be
replaced
at
some
point.
So
that
is
in
our
plan
in
the
years
out.
So
this
will
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
accomplish
that
and
bring
that
infrastructure
to
a
higher
elevation
at
the
same
time.
J
G
Okay,
that's
all
I
need
to
know.
I
don't
need
the
percentage
yeah,
so
you're
talking
about
roughly
10,
yes,
okay!
Thank
you
very
much.
You're
welcome.
E
F
Yes,
mayor,
thank
you,
mr
smith,
I'm
familiar
with
what
you've
requested.
So
I
really
don't
have
any
questions
on
that.
I
know
each
one's
an
individual
grant
and
how
these
are
going
to
be
ranked.
Did
we
provide
any
kind
of
importance
from
the
city
on
these
or
we're
just
kind
of
made
the
application
and
seeing
what
comes
out
of
it.
J
Yeah,
I
don't
have
that
information
in
front
of
me.
I
have
the
projects
listed
in
the
memo
and
in
an
order,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we
presented
them
as
a
priority
in
that
order.
I
can
just
say
that
we
submitted
that
for
that
many
project
requests
and
we're
hopeful
that
we
would
get
at
least
one.
F
J
It's
it's
the
state,
it's
a
state
program
and
I
believe,
they're
getting
federal
funding
to
administer.
F
A
F
Projects
yeah,
I
agree
with
that.
I
I
wouldn't
even
have
a
problem
doing
it
individually.
I
don't
know
that
we
would
do
a
letter
for
each
one.
F
I
don't
know
what
your
thoughts
are
on
that,
but
but
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
that
we
probably
need
to
figure
that
one
out,
as
well
as
making
sure
that
our
state
elected
officials
would
understand
which
ones
are
our
priorities
to,
and
I
don't
know
whether
they
would
have
any
wiggle
room
on
this,
but
it
would
be
good
to
know
which
ones
are,
we
believe
are
the
most
important
and
to
try
and
provide
that
information
as
well.
I
think
that
would.
Q
F
F
A
Okay,
with
that,
I
will
meet
with
the
city
manager
and
mr
smith
to
discuss
some
type
of
priority
list
on
what
their
end
is
and
then
I'll
have
someone
from
the
city
staff
draft
a
letter
or
the
city
manager
will
and
either
irene
or
trish
will
coordinate
with
everybody.
Was
there
any
other
comments
on
that.
G
I'd
just
say
before
I
totally
signed
off
on
it
if
it's
right
to
speak
vice
mayor,
but
before
I
totally
signed
off
on
it,
I'd
just
like
to
know
how
we
were
prioritizing
some
of
the
projects
and
also,
let's
say
we
were
lucky
enough
to
get
the
grant
for
hardening
the
facilities
right
and
it
was
a
200,
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollar
contribution
from
the
city.
I
just
would
like
to
have
a
little
bit
of.
You
know
discussion
around
that
just
so
we
don't
get
caught.
G
You
know
having
to
contribute
that
when
we're
not
expecting
it
right.
So
if
that's
in
the
cip
budget
for
five
years
down
the
road
and
we
and
we
draft
this
letter
and
we're
successful
and
we
get
this
grant
and
now
we've
got
to
come
up
with
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars.
It's
something
I'd
like
to
have
a
little
bit
of
a
heads
up
on,
especially
going
into
the
budget
season.
A
That's
a
great
idea,
mr
smith,
just
for
clarification.
These
would
be
out
of
the
either
enterprise
funds
or
water
distribution
funds
right.
A
G
A
Okay,
let's
see
miss
jacobs.
Is
there
any
emails
received
for
this
item.
A
Okay,
mr
jump,
this
would
be
the
time
that
the
public
would
have
to
speak
on
this
item.
Number
seven:
is
there
anyone
raising
their
hand
to
speak.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Next
item's
number
eight
discussion
for
state
appropriations.
This
one
was
also
put
on
by
myself
for
discussions.
As
we
know
this
last
budget
season,
we
applied
for
two
different
items.
With
the
help
of
chris
sprawls,
our
representative
sproles
and
representative
lavala.
A
I
can't
say
that
la
bala
down
in
clearwater,
the
both
of
them
did
not
make
it
to
be
budgeted
or
one
was
budgeted
by
the
house,
but
then
it
was
vetoed
by
the
governor.
A
I
floated
a
couple
of
our
ideas
to
the
city
manager
pertaining
to
he
said
the
second
phase
of
mirs,
which
is
there's
two
phases
for
the
city,
project,
isn't
funded
and
that's
a
connectivity
between
two
state
roads.
So
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
to
ask
for
funding
there
and
then
there's
also
obviously
we're
heading
the
budget
season
and
we
could
evaluate
some
other
projects
that
we
might
find
priority
to
ask
the
state
for
some
help
with.
A
Obviously,
if
we
have
state
funding
it
advances
the
project,
so
we
could
do
more
projects
sooner
and
then
we
could
also
save
some
money
from
our
local
residents
into
the
tax
base,
potentially
also
so
again,
this
is
just
a
discussion
standpoint
right
now.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
directing
staff,
because
mark
wants
a
some
type
of
consensus,
that
we
need
to
look
at
some
projects.
What
projects
we
want
to
move
forward
with
to
request
from
the
state
again
heading
the
budget
season.
A
This
is
just
more
of
a
discussion
to
talk
about
and
think
about
what
projects
the
city
may
we
would
want
to
see
together,
be
presented
to
the
state.
So,
commissioner,
tara
panty,
do
you
have
any
comments
on
this
item.
G
G
I
think
that
it's
a
great
time
to
to
evaluate
what
projects
we'd
like
to
potentially
apply
for,
and
obviously
I
think
that
we
should
have
a
consensus
in
terms
of
that,
so
I
am
in
favor
of
of
trying
to
select
a
handful
of
things
to
apply,
for
I
think
that
the
budget
season
or
the
early
budget
cycle
is
the
appropriate
time
to
do
so,
assuming
that
it
coincides,
and
in
addition
to
that,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
our
discussion
purposes,
like
you
mentioned
in
your
discussions
with
mark
for
staff
to
provide
us,
you
know
with
some
projects
that
are
likely
to
be
eligible
for
funding,
but
I
think
that
if
we
have,
you
know
some
projects
that
staff
proposes
to
us.
G
At
least
that
will
help
us.
You
know
with
our
selection
process.
I
don't
think
it
will.
Do
us
any
good
to
talk
about
a
project
that
you
know
we'd
like
to
get
some
funding,
for
that
basically
has
no
eligibility
right.
So
if
we
can
get
a
short
list
of
projects
that
are
likely
to
gain
some
some
funding
for
our
discussion
purposes
during
the
budget
season,
I
think
that
would
be
best.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
vice
mayor.
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea.
I
think.
For
me,
what
would
be
most
helpful
would
be
to
see
what
some
some
of
the
surrounding
areas
have
had
passed.
You
know
in
the
past
few
years,
so
we
can
get
more
of
a
gauge
of
okay.
Well,
these
are
the
type
of
projects
that
are
working
out
and
getting
in
the
budget.
Certain
price
ranges
certain
areas
just
as
points
of
reference
as
we
move
forward
with
this.
E
E
F
Vaticodes
thanks
vice
mayor-
I
don't
know
if
mr
smith
or
mr
robertson
could
I.
F
O
Yeah
we
applied
for
two
last
year,
commissioner,
the
one
being
the
flooding
abatement
that
was
in
your
backup,
the
other
being
the
support
for
the
extended
turning
base
and
dredge
and,
as
you
all
know,
we
got
approved
for
the
extended
turning
basin
dredge,
which
ultimately
got
vetoed.
O
So
it
was
just
those
two
and
I
in
the
intention
right
now,
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
is,
is
to
apply
again
for
the
flooding
abatement
project,
the
time
frame
being
a
november
application
time
frame
which
works
out
well
for
our
budgeting
purposes,
because
we
could
budget
what
we
might
propose
to
be
our
share
of
the
project.
However,
we
decide
that
should
be
your
presumably
for
next
july,
when
the
state's
fiscal
year
begins,
that's
when
the
funding
would
become
available.
F
No,
no,
no!
That's
fine!
That's
what
I
wanted
to
hear.
It's
the
involve
the
in-ground
pumping
system
that
we
were
talking
about
that
were
the
sponge
docs
was
earmarked
for
that.
I
believe
and
again,
as
I
said
before,
there
needs
to
be
a
discussion.
The
idea,
from
my
perspective
is
to
use
that
as
a
prototype
to
see
how
well
it's
going
to
work
for
other
areas,
similar
to
what
we've
got
local
basins
similar
to
the
sponge,
docks
and
see
how
that
would
work,
for
example,
on
south
spring
boulevard
canal
street.
F
Some
of
these
other
things,
areas
that
are
important
to
to
you
that
we
know
that
we
have
this
this
flooding
occurring.
So
that's
one
already,
and
then
I
guess
we
could
ask
staff
to
come
up
with
one
or
two
more.
I
if
we
can
get
one
that'd
be
great,
because
that's
a
one
million
dollar
request
is
that
correct
for
the
in-ground
system,
the
voltage
system.
F
Million
yeah
1.7
million-
that's
a
lot
of
money
for
the
state
to
come
up
with,
for
the
little
tarpon
springs.
So
if
we
could
get
that
that'd
be
great
it'd
make
me
feel
really
really
good.
I'd
like
to
see
what,
by
the
way
those
systems
are
throughout
south
pinellas
county
largo,
saint
petersburg,
they
all
have
the
same
problems.
We
do
we're
just
the
only
one
that
doesn't
have
one,
so
it
would
be
good
if
we
have
one
and
and
by
the
way,
for
you
for
the
three
commissioners
are
here
this
evening.
F
I've
I've
told
the
city
manager
that
it's
getting
to
a
point
where,
if
we
don't
get
this
money,
we
need
to
kind
of
do
something
else.
We
need
to
actually
come
up
with
our
own
money
to
fund
one
of
these
systems.
Flooding
is
not
going
to
go
away.
It's
pervasive.
I
think
it's
a
very
serious
problem
in
this
town,
we're
the
lowest
city
in
pinellas
county,
and
it
isn't
going
to
change
from
what
it
is
right
now.
So
we
need
to
get
moving
on
this.
I
think
that
would
be
a
higher
priority.
F
The
other
thing,
too,
vice
mayor
and
I
got
a
little
distracted
with
item
seven,
but
for
this
one
it
applies
as
well.
I'd
like
for
there
to
be
a
date
certain
established
for
both
of
those
as
well.
In
other
words,
we
asked
for
the
staff
to
come
back.
I
think
commissioner
panty
asked
for
a
prior
for
a
priority
list
of
the
projects
that
were
on
the
critical
facility
hardening.
N
F
To
come
back
to
us
and
then
also
in
this
particular
matter,
we're
asking
for
the
city
staff
to
come
up
with
a
couple
to
bring
back
to
us,
which
I
I
know
the
the
in-ground
system,
the
in-ground
flood
control
system
is
going
to
be
one
of
those,
but
but
I
I
would
think
that
perhaps
in
two
weeks
would
be
fair,
perhaps
the
first
meeting
in
in
september.
I
guess
at
this
point,
would
be
a
fair
time
for
that
report
to
come
back.
F
A
Now
you
know
you're
absolutely
right.
I
believe
that
I
agree
with
you
completely,
commissioner.
Vaticatus
there's
actually
three
meetings:
commission
meetings
in
august
with
the
special
meeting
that
we're
having
today
so
the
last
meeting
in
august
is
august
25th
and
that's
one
two
three
weeks
away.
I
think
we
could
put
that
in
there
as
a
time
to
get
back.
A
Mr
smith,
do
you
feel
I'm
sorry,
mr
robinson
or
mr
smith?
Do
you
feel
that
would
be
any
issues
at
all.
A
Thanks
is
there
any
other
commission
comments
on
this
item?
Okay,
miss
jacobs.
Is
there
any
emails
in
this
item.
A
Okay,
mr
jump,
is
there
anybody
with
their
hands
raised
that
are
willing
to
speak
on
this
item?.
A
A
We'll
go
to
staff
comments,
acting
city
manager.
I
Thank
the
vice
mayor,
I'd
like
to
thank
all
the
staff
that
participated
tonight,
especially
paul
state
through
all
the
miscellaneous.
Like
your
questions-
and
I
guess,
since
I
was
your
acting
city
manager,
we
finished
at
quarter-
nine,
not
bad.
Thank
you.
A
Great
mr
city
attorney.
A
Thank
you
for
being
here
tonight
sure
yeah
we'll
go
to
board
comments.
Commissioner
terrapin.
G
I
don't
have
any
comments
mayor.
I
appreciate
y'all
willingly
excusing
me
from
my
family
emergency,
so
I'm
grateful
for
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Welcome
commissioner
donovan.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
vice
mayor.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
filling
in
while
the
mayor's
away
and
same
thing
to
you,
chief
coaching
for
being
an
acting
city
manager
well
mark's
been
gone.
You
both
have
done
a
great
job
and
then
also
I
just
want
to
address
some
comments
tonight
made
by
commissioner
vaticiotis.
E
You
know
mentioning
the
words
reckless
spending
and
no
vision
earlier.
Those
are
two
comments
that
I
made
in
the
past
few
meetings,
so
I
can
only
assume
that
they
were
in
reference
to
comments
that
I
made
so
I
did
just
want
to
clear
the
air.
E
You
know
we
rushed
through
two
land
deals
over
the
course
of
a
couple
of
months
which
are
going
to
end
up
totaling
around
2.5
million.
So
that's
where
the
reckless
spending
comment
comes
from
and
one
of
which
we're
going
to
ballot
with,
and
we
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
do
with
it.
E
So
that's
where
the
no
vision
comment
comes
from,
but
I
really
want
to
emphasize
that
I've
never
accused
any
individual
of
anything,
because
I
know
that
we
act
as
a
board
for
better
or
worse
so
we're
making
these
decisions
as
a
board
we're
making
our
mistakes
as
a
board
or
making
positive
changes
as
a
board.
So
I
didn't
want
to
clear
the
air
with
you
and
just
say
that
you
know
there's
nothing
personal
about
it.
I
just
feel
as
though
our
decisions
lately
have
reflected
those
comments,
and
I
stand
by
them.
F
Well,
I
appreciate
those
comments,
commissioner
donovan,
but
quite
frankly,
if
the
residents
want
to
perform
reckless
spending,
that's
their
choice.
To
do-
and
all
this
commission
is
doing
is
posing
the
question
to
the
residents
and
I'm
sure
that
that
information,
accurate
information
is
going
to
be
provided
to
them
of
what
these
projects
mean
to
each
of
them
and
if
they
choose
not
to
do
it,
that's
fine.
F
If
they
choose
to
do
it,
I
don't
call
that
reckless
spending
and
as
far
as
the
planning
and
vision,
if
you
recall,
I
brought
up
the
idea
of
talking
about
that.
F
We
just
haven't
gotten
around
to
that
and
because
of
the
timing
on
this
referendum
in
november,
we
had
to
I
had
to
kind
of
change
plans
and
move
on
to
something
else,
so
I'm
very
proud
of
being
able
to
bring
these
projects
forward
and
allow
the
residents
to
have
a
say
where
in
the
past,
that
is
not
been
provided
to
them,
and
so
I'm
very
glad
and
the
one
thing
one
message
I
have
for
this
commission
is:
I
want
to
try
and
reduce
the
discussion
and
and
just
try
and
get
some
things
done.
F
I
I
appreciate
everybody
wanting
to
have
their
say
and
everything,
and
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
specific
to
the
staff
we
need
to
provide
them
dates
of
when
we
want
to
hear
things
back.
I
don't
want
to
keep
talking
about
things
every
five
months
when,
when
it
pops
into
the
head
of
well,
we
haven't
heard
about
that.
So
what
is
the
status
of
that?
F
And
I'm
going
to
be
a
little
more
conscientious
of
asking
for
those
dates
as
we
move
ahead
and-
and
I
want
to
be
a
little
more
rational
as
far
as
the
approaches
that
we
take.
Unfortunately,
we've
got
some
fireworks
going
off
down
in
greek
town
here.
F
So
that's
what
those
explosions
that
you
might
hear
are,
but,
but
I
I
and
sometimes
I'm
very
passionate
in
my
approach
to
this,
and
and
I
don't
want
any
of
you
to
take
it
personal,
but
I
don't
know
how
long
I'm
gonna
be
on
this
commission,
certainly
for
three
years,
god
willing,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
I've
got
something
to
show
for
my
time.
Thank
you.
That's
all.
I
have
right.
A
Thank
you,
as
you
know,
we're
all
passionate
individuals
all
raised
in
tarpon
springs,
I'm
glad
to
serve
with
all
you
all
and
it's
been
an
honor
to
chair
the
past
awards.
Looking
forward
to
the
mayor
coming
back
and
taking
the
reign
next
meeting,
I
just
want
to
bring
up
one
quick
thing.
The
turn
the
tide
email
was
sent
to
me
today
and
I
believe
our
secretary
sent
it
out
to
everybody
else
as
well.
A
I
did
talk
to
the
acting
city
manager
today
and,
if
you
could
chief
coaching,
if
you
could
just
summarize
a
quick
what
you
talked
to
me
about
how
the
city
needs
to
apply
for
these
and
not
a
third
party
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
then
we
could
potentially
meet
with
mr
robertson
and
then
turn
the
tide
as
well
sure.
I
Vice
mayor,
we
feel
obviously
any
any
project
that
the
city
wants
to
do
on
city
right
away.
We
need
to
be
the
ones
applying
for
the
grant
as
a
government
entity,
of
course,
and
vice
mayor
we
talked
about
the
sustainability
committee
and
the
partnerships
there
and
the
vision
that
they
may
have,
but
obviously
you
can
work
with
any
group
and-
and
I
think
those
groups
are
passionate
about
you-
know.
I
A
Thank
you
again.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everybody
and
all
the
staff
that
were
involved
tonight's
meeting
and
for
the
special
meeting.
This
meeting
is
adjourned
for
the
special
meeting
at
8.
50.
hope
you
have
a
great.