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B
C
We
thank
you
for
these
men
and
women
who
are
willing
to
serve
and
willing
to
lead.
We
lift
them
up
to
you.
We
ask
that
you
will
give
them
your
guidance
and
your
wisdom
as
they
meet
tonight.
We
dedicate
them
to
you.
We
dedicate
this
time.
We
dedicate
this
city
to
you,
Lord
glorify
yourself
in
Jesus
holy
name.
We
pray,
amen.
A
Okay,
before
we
get
started,
there's
a
couple
of
announcements
I'd
like
to
make
first
this
evening
our
City
attorney
is
Ms
Mariana
galastegi
she's,
with
a
law
firm
of
Eunice
salsman
she'll,
be
filling
in
for
us
tonight
as
a
City
attorney.
Also
I'd
like
to
announce
that
we're
deferring
items
17
and
18
to
the
regular
session
of
December
13
2022.
A
Item
17
is
ordinance,
2022-28,
Keystone,
Village,
Residential
plan
development.
That's
the
second
reading
and
item
18
is
the
Land
Development
code,
smart
code
and
comprehensive
plan
text.
Amendments
are
several
Provisions
for
this,
and
those
will
be
second
readings
as
well,
and
the
reason
why
we're
delaying
these
is
because
there
was
a
mess
up
with
the
advertising
by
the
newspaper
before
hurricane
Ian
and
we
just
had
to
delay
them
until
we
re-advertised,
and
this
is
the
soonest,
we'll
be
able
to
hear
them.
A
Well
this
evening
we
had
a
a
presentation
scheduled
for
the
rotary
Tarpon
Springs
Rotary
Club,
but
unfortunately
we're
not
going
to
do
that
tonight.
We
substituted
that
for
something
else
and
I'd
like
for
the
commission
to
come
forward
in
front
of
the
Deus
I'll,
be
joining
them
with
a
proclamation.
So
if
you
can
all
stand
and
move
towards
the
front
of
the
Deus
city
manager
or
city
clerk
and
chief
young,
if
you
could
come
forward
as
well.
A
A
I
would
like
to
read
the
the
the
certificates
narrative,
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Florida,
Express,
appreciation
to
Ron
and
Patricia
Haddad
for
being
an
integral
part
of
the
community,
earning
the
respect
of
the
community
Through
years
of
service
and
for
a
reputation
of
always
putting
the
good
of
the
Community
First.
A
Ron
has
marked
many
years
of
outstanding
leadership
and
lifelong
commitment
to
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
serving
as
chairman
of
the
greater
Tarpon
Springs
Community
Council,
president
of
the
shepherd
center
and
Tarpon
Springs
Rotary
Club,
chairman
of
North
Pinellas
Habitat
for
Humanity
and
member
of
the
Salvation
Army
Advisory
Board.
A
community
advocate
who
works
hard
to
support
and
improve
the
quality
of
life
in
our
city.
A
A
We
call
upon
the
good
people
of
Tarpon
Springs
to
join
us
in
paying
tribute
to
Ron
and
Patricia
Haddad
and
convince
them
for
making
a
real
difference
in
helping
to
improve
the
quality
of
life
in
our
community
in
witness
whereof.
This
certificate
is
presented
this
15th
day
of
November
2022,
and
it's
signed
by
mayor
kostavatiotis
vice
mayor
Craig
Lunt,
commissioner
Jacob
Carr,
commissioner
Mike
Eisner
and
commissioner
paniyoti
kulias.
A
When
I
have
the
duty
of
Mayor,
I
I
have
to
say
something,
and
usually
it's
a
lot
more
than
what
I
want
to
say
here.
All
I'm
going
to
say
is
that
I
often
refer
to
our
city
clerk's
office
as
the
Switzerland
of
City
Hall.
It's
a
safe
place.
It's
neutral
territory.
A
I
I've
known
rod
for
a
couple
of
years
and
and
I
again,
I've
never
heard
him
say
anything,
controversial,
I've,
never
heard
him
say
anything.
Bad
I've
heard
never
had
him
say
anything
other
than
good
for
you,
it's
what
the
city
needs
and
and
he's
always
extremely
positive,
and
because
of
that
he'll
be
in
my
heart
and
mind
as
the
ambassador
to
Switzerland
of
Tarpon
Springs.
So
thank
you
again.
A
I've
invited
the
the
the
city
manager,
City,
Clerk
and
I,
know
Ron
Works
closely
with
our
chief
of
police
chief
young
on
our
homeless
outreach
program,
but
I'd
also
like
to
invite
and
and
you'll
have
a
chance
to
say
something
as
well,
but
I'd
like
to
invite
the
commission
up
first
to
if
any
of
you
Commissioners
would
like
to
say
anything
please
come
forward.
E
Thirsty
I,
just
I,
am
overwhelmed
totally
surprised
by
this
and
I'm
about
ready
to
cry
so
I'm
not
going
to
say
too
much
more,
but
I
just
want
to
thank
our
commissioners,
our
police
and
fire
department
for
the
dedicated
love
and
caring
and
concern.
This
is
an
incredible
Community
thanks
to
all
of
them,
and
thanks
to
all
of
you,
it's
a
privilege
to
be
involved
in
helping
and
serving
thank
you.
God
bless
Christmas.
F
A
You
Patricia
and
and
I
learned
from
Dolly
a
long
long
time
ago,
I
never
leave
the
better
half
out
of
anything
so
you're
a
partner
you've
been
married
for
over
50
years.
Obviously
you're
doing
a
lot
of
things
right
and
I
commend
you
for
that
fact
alone.
So
if
you
have
a
question
as
followers
how
all
this
came
about,
I
would
suggest.
Maybe
you
speak
to
your
good
friend,
Mr
Brock.
G
H
Ron
I
think
I
know
you
quite
well
in
rotary.
We
have
the
service
above
self
and
when
you
look
it
up
in
the
dictionary
it
says
Ron
and
Patricia
Haddad
right
there
I
think
you
need
a
new
set
of
roller
skates
and
you
need
new
oil
to
keep
them
rolling
around
the
town.
I've
never
seen
somebody
work
harder
than
you,
I
admire
you
and
you
and
I
are
going
to
have
some
tears
later
because
you
really
touched
my
heart
and
everything
you
do
in
town
so
I.
D
I
just
want
to
say
it's
an
honor
to
stand
up
here
with
you
as
a
volunteer.
Basically
that
serves
a
residents.
I
know
you
don't
get
paid
to
do
anything
either
for
this
aspect,
so
it
speaks
a
lot
about
your
character
and
integrity
and
what
you
do
so.
Thank
you
for
everything
that
you
do
for
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
and
the
residents.
I
K
Well
Ron
over
almost
30
years
that
we've
been
working
together
on
projects
throughout
the
city
and
Patricia.
Both
of
you
are
I
think
the
mayor,
every
word
he
said
is
dead
on
can't
meet
two
Kinder
people
that
give
back
to
the
community
and
selfishly
unselfishly,
and
when
I
reach
out
to
Iran
you're,
always
there
to
lend
a
hand,
a
voice
and
some
guidance
and
I
appreciate
you
and
love.
You
all.
Thank.
A
L
Wrote
a
smile
on
Bayshore
Drive,
I've,
known
Ron,
since
he
came
into
rotary.
He
never
says
no
and
I.
Think
Ron
Haddad
has
built
more
homes
for
Humanity
than
President.
Carter
has
not
only
in
our
community
but
Pine
house
community-wide,
and
if
any
of
you
want
to
help
us
him
ring
the
bell
at
Christmas
time
get
in
touch
with
him,
because
he
can
always
use
volunteers
to
ring
the
bell
at
the
different
stores
he
never
lets
down.
L
M
M
Business
owners
sometimes
close
the
door
when
they
see
you
come
in
because
they
know
you're
going
to
ask
for
something.
But
we
love
that
they
really
really
don't.
He
says
they
do,
but
they
really
don't
anyway,
we're
as
a
club.
We
are
really
honored
to
serve
with
you
and
you,
you
epitomize
service
above
self
to
to
everyone
out
there
in
the
city
and
I
just
want
to
thank
the
Commissioners
and
the
mayor
and
rotary
and
Cliff
Brock
for
making
this
happen,
because
it's
well
it's
long
overdue,
good
and
faithful
servant.
A
A
A
A
Or
other
special
presentations
certificate
of
appreciation
and
Miss
Lanford
will
be
done.
At
the
next
meeting
item
C
we
have
a
Pinellas
County
update
on
Beckett
bridge
and
Riverside
Drive
drainage,
Improvement
projects,
City
management.
J
P
P
Excuse
me
so
at
the
as
Mark
said
at
the
October
25th
board
meeting
the
board
directed
the
city
manager
and
staff
to
request
an
update
from
Pinellas
County
on
the
Beckett
Bridge
Project
County
representatives
are
here
tonight
to
do
just
that
and
venables
and
Aaron
Lawson
are
here
tonight
from
the
county.
P
Both
have
spoken
before
our
boards
before
and
as
a
project
manager
in
the
Capital
Improvements
division
in
the
county
and
is
the
project
manager
for
this
for
the
Beckett
Bridge
Project
she's,
accompanied
by
her
boss,
Aaron
Lawson
from
Pinellas
County
Public,
Works,
who's,
the
manager
of
the
transportation
engineering
section
of
the
Capital
Improvements
Division,
and
and
we'll
provide
the
update
tonight
on
the
status
of
the
bridge.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Ann,
come
on
up
and
I'm
going
to
get
your
presentation
queued
up
here.
P
F
Well,
good
evening,
it's
a
pleasure
to
have
this
opportunity
to
speak
with
the
commission
and
I'm,
hoping
that
this
short
presentation,
Bob
requested
a
short
one
and
I
have
known
to
talk
fast.
So
hopefully,
I
won't
talk
too
fast,
but
I
hope
this
presentation
answers
most
of
the
questions
that
you
have
about:
the
current
status
of
the
Beckett
Bridge
replacement
project
and
also
the
Riverside
drainage
improvements.
F
So,
let's
start,
but
just
very
briefly
reviewing
the
two
projects:
the
replacement
project,
the
construction
for
the
replacement
project,
the
limits
extend
from
Chesapeake
Drive,
just
west
of
the
bridge
to
pompous
Avenue
East
of
the
bridge
and
for
the
Riverside
drainage
improvements.
This
project
picks
up
where
the
Becca
Bridge
Project
ends,
and
it
goes
basically
West
to
just
past
the
curve
on
Riverside,
where
you
can
see
on
the
map.
F
So
the
purpose
of
the
Riverside
drainage
Improvement
project
is
to
reduce
some
of
the
roadway
flooding,
those
that
you
live
out.
There
know
that
can
be
a
big
problem
by
collecting
some
of
the
roadway
runoff
into
additional
stormwater
drains,
and
the
construction
of
these
improvements
will
be
concurrent
with
the
replacement
of
the
bridge.
They
will
be
let
in
the
same
Construction
contract
so
just
to
review.
You
know
our
existing
Bridge
only
provides
about
six
feet
of
vertical
clearance,
that's
the
maximum
at
the
fenders
and
it
it
also
provides
25
feet
of
horizontal
clearance
for
boats.
F
F
and
I
was
here
talking
to
you
about
that
project
in
the
past.
For
some
of
you,
and
so
there
was
a
preferred
alternative
that
was
selected
that
was
approved
by
the
county,
BCC,
the
dot
and
the
Federal
Highway,
and
that
alternative
is
to
replace
this
movable
Bridge
with
a
very
similar
one.
On
the
same
alignment.
Difference
will
it'll
be
slightly
higher
in
the
closed
position.
7.8
feet
compared
to
six
it'll
still
have
the
same
horizontal
clearance.
The
biggest
difference
is
it's
going
to
be
about
20.5
feet
wider
than
the
existing
Bridge.
F
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
the
existing
Bridge
typical
is
very
narrow.
We've
only
got
two
and
a
half
foot
sidewalks
no
shoulders,
so
emergency
vehicles
cannot
get
passed
when
there's
an
accident
on
the
bridge
and
the
overall
was
only
28
feet
whoops.
We
are
missing
a
slide.
Sorry
about
that.
Anyway,
the
proposed
Bridge,
typical
section,
which
isn't
up
there,
has
same
thing:
10
foot,
travel,
Lanes
but
well.
I
have
a
sorry
about
that.
F
But
it
has
basically
six
foot
sidewalks
on
both
sides
and
there
are
four
foot
shoulders
also,
so
that's
where
the
other
width
is
and
I
apologize
that
that
slide
isn't
up
there,
and
this
is
the
roadway
east
of
the
bridge.
That's
for
pose
we're
going
to
have
10
foot
travel
Lanes
with
six
foot
sidewalks
on
both
sides
and
four
foot
shoulders.
F
As
you're
aware
from
presentations
from
Bob
Robertson,
this
project
will
require
the
relocation
of
the
city's
mayor,
water,
main
sewer
and
water
lines.
Right
now.
They
cross
the
Bayou
right
under
the
bridge
that
won't
be
possible
in
the
future
because
of
a
number
of
engineering
reasons,
so
they're
going
to
be
relocated,
north
of
the
yacht
club
and
then
cross
the
Bayou,
and
then
you
know,
tie
back
into
Riverside
Drive.
F
The
design
and
construction
of
that
is
being
done
by
the
city.
We
also
are
going
to
require
a
number
of
utility
adjustments
on
the
west
side
of
the
bridge.
These
design
is
being
done
by
the
city.
However,
there
will
be
a
jpa
with
the
county,
and
the
construction
of
this
project
will
be
included
in
the
County's
contract.
F
The
county
is
in
the
process
of
acquiring
the
construction
easements
that
we
need
to
construct
the
bridge.
There
are
actually
very
small
amounts
of
property
on
a
number
of
parcels.
The
temporary
easements
only
add
up
to
0.1
acres
for
all
of
them
and
the
reasons
that
we
need
these
are
for
one
removal
of
trees.
F
Some
of
those
trees
are
within
the
limits
of
construction
and
others
have
been
determined
by
our
County
arborists
that
they
would
be
in
danger
of
falling
over
possibly
on
the
property
owners
property
because
of
the
substantial
potential
for
damage
to
the
root
systems
in
the
construction
zone.
The
other
thing
is
that
we
need
those
fours
for
access
to
the
construction
of
sidewalks
driveways
and
carbon
gutter
just
to
get
equipment
back
there
and
get
people
back
there.
F
We
also
have
a
few
permanent
easements,
that's
about
a
quarter
of
acre
and
actually
I
think
we
have
a
large
one
for
the
outfall
for
the
new
drainage
system,
which
is
just
on
that
curve
that
you
saw
on
Riverside
Drive
in
terms
of
funding.
The
bridge
replacement
is
currently
funded
by
penny
for
Pinellas.
F
Of
course,
the
Riverside
drainage
improvements
is
funded
by
penny
for
Pinellas,
so
just
to
summarize,
where
the
project
status
is
for
both
of
the
projects.
Our
final
construction
plans
are
due
and
will
be
submitted
at
the
end
of
December
of
this
year,
as
I
said,
we're
acquiring
the
construction
easements.
Now
that's
what's
really
taking
up
the
time,
and
you
know
it's
causing
some
delay
and
we
anticipate
that
the
earliest
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
advertise
for
construction
would
be
this
early
next
year,
spring
of
2023..
F
In
terms
of
public
Outreach,
we
still
do
have
a
public
website.
Yes
and
as
Bob
remind
me
to
let
you
know
just
Google
Pinellas
County
Becca
bridge,
and
you
can
find
it
it's
a
lot
easier
than
the
actual
dress.
It
does
have
the
project
schedule
on
there
and
we
will
update
if
that
changes,
and
it
also
has
some
of
the
architectural
renderings
that
were
developed
during
the
aesthetic
more
of
the
work
where
we
developed
Aesthetics
with
the
community.
During
the
design
phase
of
this
project.
F
So
but
that's
all
I've
got
unless.
F
Some
of
the
things
that
the
rest,
some
of
the
width
yeah
yeah
eligible
for
for
National
register.
So
we
went
through
a
lot
of
coordination
with
Chabot
and
the
Historical
Society
at
Tarpon
Springs
and
what
was
determined
that
to
mitigate
for
the
impacts
to
the
bridge
that
we
had
to
do
something.
So
one
of
the
things
that
it's
hard
to
see
on
that
picture,
I'm
trying
to
think
if
it's
on
one
of
the
other
slides
you.
F
A
F
You
can't
really
see
it
very
well,
but
right
here
and
there's
pictures
on
the
website-
and
this
is
a
part
I'm
sorry,
it's
hard
to
see
on
this
particular
view,
but
there
are
better
renderings
on
the
website
that
show
it
very
large
and
a
part
of
the
bridge.
That's
very
important
to
the
historical
significance
of
the
engineering
is
going
to
be
mounted
on
the
bridge
with
an
explanation
for
for
people
to
understand
the
historic
significance,
and
then
we
have
these
overlooks.
Q
F
My
brain
just
went
blank
of
what
you
call
them,
but
you
know
the
little
kiosks
that
will
have
information
out
the
bridge
and
then
you'll
be
able
to
use
a
QR
code,
and
that
will
take
you
to
the
County's
website.
If
you
want
to
know
more
about
the
history
of
the
Becca
bridge
and
again,
all
of
that
was
required
by
the
state,
historic
president,
regional
office.
So
that's
probably
the
biggest
amenities
in
terms
of
things
that
why
part
of
the
reason
why
the
bridge
is
wide.
A
A
G
Believe
me,
I,
live
on
Chesapeake,
so
I
strongly
approve
of
anything
we
can
do
to
to
alleviate
the
drainage
issue.
Was
there
any
ecological
consideration
given
to
draining
it
to
Kramer
as
opposed
to
draining
it
into
the
into
where
the
bridge
is?
G
From
my
perspective,
living
on
Kramer
Bayou,
it's
somewhat
of
its
title,
but
it's
somewhat
of
a
closed
system.
It
does
not
flush
well
and
there's
been
some
concern
in
conversations
I've
had
about
the
road
runoff,
because
we're
expecting
increased
traffic
as
well
with
the
new
bridge
and
just
the
the
overall
effluent
from
the
gas
and
oil
and
stuff
and
build
off
in
the
payment
washing
into
that
Bayou
and
and
maybe
further
damaging.
The
ecological
structure
so
was.
Was
that
taken
into
consideration
at
all?
Or
was
it
just
a
design
consideration
because
I
think.
F
The
primary
reason
was
the
drainage
I
mean
the
way
that
the
drainage
flow
through
the
system
and
the
way
the
the
system
was
designed
that
that
was
the
place
that
needed
to
be
out
full.
There
were
like
three
different
Alternatives:
that's
been
a
while
since
they've
looked
at
all
of
them,
and
this
ended
up
to
be
the
best
from
the
drainage
standpoint,
I
mean
at
the
alpha.
F
There
will
be
a
sump
that
will
help
collect
some
of
the
sediments
and
you
know
help
keep
some
of
the
water
some
of
the
debris
and
things
from
coming
into
the
Bayou,
and
you
know.
Obviously
this
is
gets
permitted.
So
hopefully
I
mean
we
don't
anticipate
any
substantial
impact.
The
Bayou
from
the
runoff
but
I
do
understand
their
concern.
R
Okay,
oh
sure,
the
the
drainage
basin
is
the
same.
You
know
before
and
after
so
the
existing
condition
is
draining
in
the
same
way
that
it'll
drain
for
the
proposed
condition
and
that
we
we
are
including
some
backflow
preventers,
which
you
know
that's
going
to
help
with
the
title:
the
tidal
condition
of
that
drainage
area.
A
Else,
commissioner,
Carr
yeah.
D
I
actually
have
a
similar
question
to
vice
mayor
on
that.
So
if
you
could
elaborate
a
little
bit
further
I
know
one
thing:
I
just
want
to
understand
like
how
do
we
prevent
the
pollution
from
hitting
the
bayous
and
that's
one
issue
that
we
have
in
Tarpon?
Springs
is
the
runoff
in
our
older
streets
and
Roads,
and
so
can
you
elaborate
a
little
bit
further
on?
What's
catching
the
sediment
and
the
debris,
if
this
is
a
baffle
box,
or
is
it
something
that's
similar
to
that
or
what's
actually
catching
it
do
you?
R
Yeah
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
details.
I
can
put
on.
R
Know
just
because
I
didn't
do
the
drainage
design,
but
I
do
I
can
say
there
is
no
baffle
box.
It's
it's
just
your
traditional
drainage
system.
That's
it's
taking
care
of
that.
R
I'm,
sorry,
we
are
capturing
as
much
as
we
can
with
a
Swale
system
on
you
know
coming
off
of
the
roadway,
but
when
we
have
a
carbon
gutter
system,
it's
it's
going
into
the
the
pipes.
Okay,
the
the
swales,
the
swales
allow
a
lot
of
that
the
sediments
and
the
oils
and
everything
to
get
captured
in
the
soil
before
it
gets
down
to
the
pipe.
But
it's
all,
ultimately,
the
water
is
draining
to
the
pipe
okay.
D
D
Obviously,
there's
a
grant
opportunity
here
and
there's
some
Penny
money,
but
hopefully
maybe
the
city
might
be
look
looking
to
partner
at
some
point
too,
but
it's
our
water
as
a
city
that
we're
trying
to
protect
and
make
sure
that
it's
there
and
Bob.
Maybe
you
could
get
more
a
little
more
detail
on
how
that
works
from
the
drainage
standpoint,
because
that's
the
one
concern
that
I
have
on
this
project.
The
second
concern
I
have
is
the
lack
of
sidewalks
in
the
south
side
of
Riverside,
and
it's
just
to
be
clear.
Q
R
Yes,
so
we
went
through
a
whole
study
and
explored
that
option.
As
you
know,
to
look
at
acquiring
right
away
on
that
side
and
it
was
deemed
unfeasible,
it
would
have,
it
would
have
been
very
costly,
it
would
have,
there
would
have
been
displacements
and
the
commission
or
sorry,
not
the
commission,
but
the
administration
at
the
county
deemed
that
unfeasible
at
this
time.
Sure.
D
Yeah
I
appreciate
that,
but
again
it's
it's
Tarpon,
Springs
that
we're
representing
and
I
know
you
didn't
make
the
decision,
but
I
think
it's
a
poor
decision
by
the
county,
not
to
do
that.
The
safety
is
obviously
the
number
one
concern
in
my
book.
As
a
commissioner
I
know,
you
guys
are
just
here
to
present
on
the
facts
of
the
plans
and
what
they
are,
but
I
think
the
County
Administration
really
messed
up
on
this
one.
There's
a
significant
amount
of
school
traffic,
pedestrian
traffic
bicycle
traffic
on
this
area.
D
You
got
across
from
one
side
of
the
road
to
the
other,
and
it's
just
a
it's
a
sad
thing
to
me
not
to
not
be
able
to
see
such
a
or
to
see
such
a
great
project.
That's
designed
and
missed
such
a
big
flaw
in
that
aspect,
but
I
appreciate
you
all
as
the
designers
and
the
engineers
behind
it,
but
I
think
the
administration
really
missed
a
boat
on
that
one
and
I'll
continue
to
let
the
County
Commission
know
about
it.
I.
R
Understand
and
I
will
just
add
to
that
that
you
know
those
Crossings
will
have
the
rrfbs,
the
flashers,
the
signs
with
the
flashers
on
it
to
assist
with
those
Crossings
and
provide
the
safest
way
we
can
get
pedestrians
across
at
this
time.
The
as
Ann
mentioned
the
bridge
is
set
up
so
that
there
is
a
possibility
to
provide
sidewalk
on
both
sides.
If
and
when
that
right-of-way
is
acquired,
sure.
H
H
Why
couldn't
we
put
in
an
oil
box
that
stops
oil
or
debris
from
going
into
the
the
Bayou
and
and
see
if,
after
six
months
or
nine
months
or
a
year,
that
if
it's
negligible,
we
can
just
leave
it
in
in
the
piping,
but
we
could
easily
it's
not
an
expensive
thing
to
put
in
as
a
monitor,
so
I
would
hate
to
put
something
in
and
then
we
realize
that
we're
getting
God
knows
what
coming
through.
These
are
very
easy
to.
Do.
They
don't
make
a
Chinese
restaurant
without
an
oil
catch.
H
So
any
of
these
types
of
things.
This
is
especially
we're
doing
a
project.
This
large
I
would
not
want
to
see
that
we
have
a
lot
of
water
usually
sitting
there,
and
it's
always
sitting
there
with
you
know
with
cars
going
by
and
oil
and
we
would
be
negligent
in
allowing
it
to
just
flow
into
our
Bayou.
So
I
don't
see
it
being
a
big
deal.
I'm
really
I
know
you're
not
prepared
to
give
us
an
answer
at
this
point,
but
I
would
definitely
look
into
that.
H
I
wouldn't
be
comfortable,
changing
flood
water
into
going
anywhere
unless
it
was
monitored
any
variants
that
we
give
for
a
gas
station
or
anything
that's
near
a
water
source.
We
have
to
have
areas
to
catch
the
oil
from
going
in.
So
this
would
be
silly.
My
question:
we've
gone
from
28
feet
wide
to
48
feet
wide
we've
added
20
feet.
H
It
seems
that
most
of
the
20
feet
that
we
added
was
for
walkways
that
one
side
doesn't
even
have
a
sidewalk
on
so
I'm,
not
understanding
why
that
was
made
like
that.
And
yet
the
roadway
that's
10
feet
wide
was
10
feet.
Wide
will
be
10
feet
wide
again
when
a
regular
car
could
go
through,
but
I
drive
a
truck
I
know
my
truck
almost
touches
the
mirror
of
the
truck
coming
in
the
opposite
direction,
so
I
don't
understand
why
we
did
that.
R
I
can
address
just
to
go
back
to
the
drainage,
real
quick
I
know,
I
know
as
part
of
that
drainage
outfall.
There
is
a
sump
and
that's
where
you
know,
in
addition
to
the
swales.
R
That's
where
we're
capturing
those
pollutants
as
well
and
and
of
course
the
project
was
fully
permitted.
You
know
through
Swift
the
permitting
agency.
As
far
as
the
width
of
the
bridge.
R
Yes,
we
we
did
put
the
the
sidewalks
on
because
also
as
Ann
mentioned,
the
the
bridge
is
considered
functionally
Obsolete
and
that
partly
is
because
of
those
wits,
because
the
the
10
foot
without
the
shoulder
and
then
the
substandard
sidewalk
widths.
Obviously
those
sidewalks
don't
meet
Ada
standard
in
any
capacity
right
now,
so
the
the
proposed
bridge
and
I'll,
let
Ann
correct
me
on
this
is-
is
now
we're
providing
that
shoulder
width,
and
so
that
is
a
recover
area.
F
Yes,
and-
and
the
other
thing
to
remember,
is
that
there
are-
there
are
a
system
of
trails
in
the
area
some
are
proposed,
some
are
under
structured
and
some
of
them,
if
you
look
on
the
mpos
map,
are
just
the
you
know,
shoulders
on
the
road
and
eventually,
when
other
development
may
occur,
it's
possible
that
that
sidewalk
could
be
extended
on
the
south
side
of
the
roadway
and
provide
connections.
So
that's
the
other
reason
why
we
have
the
two
sidewalks
and
I
also
wanted
to
just
mention
the
reason
that
you
didn't
want.
F
H
H
So
if
we
were
to
continue
the
sidewalk
there,
they
there
wouldn't
even
be
any
Crossings
I'm,
not
understanding
why
we
have
a
six
foot
sidewalk
on
each
side
of
the
bridge
when
on
one
side
of
the
bridge
you
have
the
RV
park
that
has
no
sidewalk
nothing
there,
and
even
if
you
go
on
the
other
side
of
the
bridge,
it's
only
a
very
short
side
walk,
so
you
still
have
to
go
to
the
other
side.
I'm,
not
understanding
why
we
have
sidewalks
of
six
feet
wide
on
both
sides
is
my
question.
F
F
Why
so,
why
do
we
have
it
on
the
bridge?
Thank
you
and
that's
right.
I
didn't
do
a
good
job
of
explaining
that
before.
But
the
reason
is
that
in
the
future,
it's
possible
that
the
development
will
change
in
that
area
and
that
new
development
will
come
in
and
there
could
be
a
sidewalk
on
the
south
side
of
the
roadway
and
it's
much
harder
to
retrofit
a
bridge
to
add
the
sidewalks
in
the
future.
H
So
the
four
foot
shoulder
is
that:
could
that
not
be
just
12
feet
on
each
side
or
13
feet
on
each
side,
so
that
there's
more
room
I'm
not
under
again
I'm,
not
understanding?
Why
there's
a
shoulder?
What
is
what
is
the
purpose
of
that.
R
The
the
10
foot
I'll
go
back
to
the
safety
thing
we
were
talking
about.
You
know
the
traffic
that
goes
across
and
The
Pedestrian
usage
as
well.
Well,
by
keeping
the
lane
width
narrower
it's
going
to
allow
it's
going
to
prevent
travelers
from
exceeding
the
speed
limit,
and
so
that's
that's
one
way
the
roadway
designers
achieve
that
is
by
keeping
it
narrow.
Now
we
add
the
shoulders,
because
again,
that's
another
safety
feature
is
so
that
there
is
extra
width
as
it
should
be
needed
by
emergency
vehicles,
or
you
know
even
passing
boats.
F
Four
on
each
side,
that's
enough
room
that
the
cars
could
move
over
and
you
know
to
to
help
to
allow
emergency
vehicles
to
get
through,
and
this
was
one
of
the
big
safety
features
that
was
considered
as
well
as
meeting
the
standards
that
are
required
for
shoulders
by
the
DOT
and
because
we
have
Federal
money.
We
have
to
follow
some
of
those
requirements.
H
A
Funny,
commissioner,
thank.
I
You
mayor
I,
want
to
thank
you
both
for
the
presentation.
Thank
you
for
explaining
to
us
the
the
Riverside
portion
of
the
project
and
which
flooding
does
happen.
I
I
actually,
I
I
appreciate
the
width,
the
six
foot
on
each
side,
I
frequently
walk
the
bridge
and
it's
very
narrow,
so
being
able
to
have
that
additional
width
is
good
for
safety.
How
concrete
do
you
think?
Are
you
with
the
start
date
for
that
project,
because
we
have
some
big
Capital
Improvement
projects
that
affect
the
main
arteries
coming
in
and
out
of
town
and
I
know
we
as
a
city
have
to
time
it
upright
so.
F
Unfortunately,
it's
all
basically
dependent
on
how
long
it
takes
us
to
acquire
the
easements
that
were
that
we
need
for
construction.
If
that
goes
smoothly,
like
I
said,
then
we
hope
that
we
can
advertise
in
the
spring
and
then
at
the
end
of
2023.
If
that
does
not
go
smoothly,
there
is
the
potential
for
delay,
and
then
we
just
can't
predict
that
at
this
point.
I
Okay
and
if
we
were
to
start
up,
we
have
anticipation
of
starting
a
project
for
South,
Spring,
Boulevard
and
MLK
come
together.
If
that
project
had
been
started,
is
the
county
willing
to
delay
The
Bridge
Project
a
little
bit
until
we
finished
that
Capital
Improvement
project
there,
because
it's
just
another
main
artery
coming
in
out
of
the
city.
R
Yeah
that
I
think
that's
something
that
you
know
we'll
we'll
stay
in
contact
with
Bob
on
and
and
discuss
that
how
those
projects
would
work
together.
R
If
we
do
end
up
getting
this
grant,
you
know
we
will
be
kind
of
strapped
to
whatever
schedule
they
give
us
as
well,
so
it
we've
got
a
lot
in
the
air
right
now
and
and
we're
just
going
to
continue
to
coordinate
we've
done
a
really
great
job
he's
been
amazing
to
be
worked
to
work
with
and
bringing
the
projects
together
with
with
the
tarpon
side
of
it
as
well.
I
Okay
and
this
actually,
this
that
public,
Outreach
page
where
you
actually
show
the
width
of
the
bridge,
you,
you
can
see
a
truck,
that's
sitting
on
I
believe
the
shoulder
on
the
South
Side.
That's
just
the
ability
to
show
the
width
of
the
bridge
overall
and
a
case
in
a
yes
that
one
in
case
emergency
vehicle
did
have
to
come
through
that
those
Vehicles
could
move
off
to
the
right.
A
little
bit.
Q
R
A
F
A
I
I
think
it
might
be
helpful
for
the
commission
if
they
get
some
a
little
more
information
concerning
the
drainage
along
Riverside.
I,
don't
see
a
whole
lot
of
detail.
There
may
be
some
collection
box
already.
A
There
may
not
be
I,
don't
know,
I
understand
the
polishing
with
the
Swale
and
everything
that
that's
not
an
unusual
thing
that
you
rely
on
so,
but
it
would
be
helped
with
the
commission
and
I'm
sure
if
there's
some
additional
questions,
they'll
follow
through
with
the
city
manager
through
Mr
Robertson
to
you,
but
but
I
I,
very
much
appreciate
your
presentation
tonight,
I'm
going
to
ask
the
the
residents
the
public
that's
here
and
also
remote
access.
If
they've
got
any
questions,
if
you
could
just
stay
right
there,
please
thank
you.
N
A
couple
questions
with
regards
to
what's
been
discussed
about
these
swales
and
boxes
and
collecting
stuff
who
will
be
responsible
for
monitoring
what's
collected
and
maintenance,
for
that,
would
that
be
the
county
or
the
city
want
to
go
back
to
something
that
I
haven't
seen
touched
on?
The
relocation
of
utilities.
N
N
Now
as
far
as
the
sidewalks
from
and
it's
too
bad,
you
didn't
have
the
graph
that
you
can
see
in
the
paper
where
it
shows
the
all
the
lanes
and
stuff
but
I'm.
Assuming
from
what
I'm
hearing
that
when
you
come
west
across
the
bridge,
there
will
not
be
any
sidewalk
on
the
south
side
of
Riverside,
but
there
will
be
a
sidewalk
on
the
North
side.
N
But
if
you
know
that
area,
just
after
you
pass
Chesapeake
a
little
bit
as
you
get
to
the
bend,
the
Sidewalk
Ends
and
the
sidewalk
is
actually
on
the
South
Side.
So
I'm
not
sure
when
you're
saying
a
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
of
Riverside.
Does
it
continue
all
the
way
down
to
where
it
currently
ends?
N
Or
are
you
going
to
have
to
extend
That
Sidewalk
further
along
the
Bayou
and
then
come
around
by
old
Andy's
house
and
where
it
bends
back
around
and
all
that's
mangroves
and
if
you
drive
by
there
now
high
tide,
it's
all
flooded,
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
where
you're
talking
about
putting
in
sidewalks,
because
the
sidewalks
on
the
south
side
of
Riverside
currently
are
functional.
It's
just
you
have
that
one
gap
between
you
know
where
the
road
is
straight
along.
N
You
know
the
mobile
home
park
and
the
first
couple
of
houses,
but
after
that
I
guess
it's
just
before
Mr
zimbilis's
House
there
there's
a
sidewalk
there,
so
I'm
a
little
confused
about
all
displacement
of
sidewalks
but
more
concerned
about
the
the
utilities.
Thank
you.
P
The
utility
question
very
simply
it's
a
pair
of
horizontal
directional
drill,
installation,
construction
techniques
to
drill
underneath
the
river,
so
there's
a
smooth
transition
to
to
make
the
adjustments
that
we
need
to
make,
but
it's
basically
moving
the
force
Main
and
the
potable
water
line
outside
of
the
bridge
right
away
so
that
the
new
bridge
can
be
installed
without
conflict
of
the
existing
pipes.
Regarding
the
sidewalks
I'll
ask
Aaron
or
Anne
to
address
that.
A
Right
I
just
wanted
to
simplify
the
the
utilities,
are
going
to
be
placed
through
a
directional
bore
on
the
north
side
of
the
yacht
club
at
an
easement,
and
then
it's
going
to
cross
the
the
tarbon
Bayou
at
that
location
at
an
angle
and
it's
going
to
meet
up.
Is
it
on
the
east
side
or
the
west
side
of
Chesapeake?
It's
on
the
east
side
on
the
east
side
of
Chesapeake,
just
before
the
intersection
of
Chesapeake
and
Riverside
Drive.
A
That's
where
it's
going
to
reconnect
there
isn't
going
to
be
any
kind
of
right
hand
turns
it's
going
to
be
curves
if
anything
and
Mr
Robertson
the
depth
below
the
bottom
of
the.
Do
you
have
an
idea
on.
A
Feet
yeah
so
it'll
be
it'll,
be
50
feet
below
the
river
bottom
on
its
way
over
to
the
where
it
would
pop
up
again
right
to
the
east
side
of
Chesapeake
I.
Think
that
clarifies
a
little
more
if
we
could
just
say
something
on
the
sidewalks.
Thank
you,
Mr
Roberts.
Thank
you.
F
Yes,
we
won't
be
extending
the
sidewalk
on
the
east
side
of
the
road
all
the
way
around
the
curve,
as
a
gentleman
was
concerned
about,
it
would
only
extend
I
think
to
pompous,
so
it's
just
basically
approaching
the
bridge.
So
our
construction
does
not
go
that
far.
It's
just
to
tie
it
into
the
sidewalks
on
the
bridge
and
then
provide
for
future
expansion
of
sidewalks.
L
E
L
I
wasn't
sure
about
21
about
21.,
that's
well
who's,
going
to
coordinate
with
the
Pines
County
school
board
for
the
buses,
how
they're
going
to
come
in
and
out
and
go
to
the
schools
out
in
Sunset
Hills,
because
if
they
start
going
around
the
Bayou,
we
know
how
close
the
water
is
to
the
edge
of
the
road
and
a
lot
of
it
sinks
in
so
who's
going
to
coordinate.
Does
the
city
do
that
or
the
school
board
with
the
county?
No,
because
I
asked
about
that.
Every
year,
at
the
beginning
of
school,
yeah.
J
So
there
are
they're
well
they're,
well
aware
of
what's
going
on
since
this
process
has
started,
they've
been
involved
in
this
process,
as
it
goes
so
so
they've
been
involved
as
far
as
I
know,
since
the
very
beginning
of
the
project
and
they'll
realize
that
the
adjustments-
and
you
know
it's
been
so
long-
it's
probably
been
well
planned
out
of
what
their
adjustments
have
to
be
to
compensate
for
that
closing
down.
For
that
long,
a
Time.
L
I
was
just
wondering
about
school
buses
and
then
those
trees,
the
big
trees
around
the
curves,
are
historic.
Trees.
I
can
bring
you
books
that
Thomas
Craig
and
his
brother
had
a
friend
of
theirs
right
and
they
drew
the
pictures
in
they're,
so
old
and
they
were
put
there.
So
they
wouldn't
speed
around
the
curves
with
their
model
A's
in
years,
and
sometimes
they
want
to
cut
them
down,
come
up
and
fuss
about
it
and
I.
Don't
know
if
y'all
have
intention
of
cutting
down
some
of
those
trees.
L
I'd
like
to
know
so.
I
can
get
the
books
to
you
and
see
how
old
they
are
and
the
historic
issue
of
the
trees,
because
I
remember
when
Mr
Ellis
came
up
and
wanted
them
all
cut
down,
and
we
had
to
say
no
so
are
y'all
going
to
cut
down
many
of
the
trees.
T
L
A
D
A
U
C
A
Are
there
any
other
public
comments?
Mr
jumper
there
are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
A
Okay,
thank
you
that
closes
the
presentation.
Thank
you
very
much
for.
F
D
A
Evening,
all
right,
let's
go
to
public
comments
for
about
eight
minutes
and
then
we're
going
to
have
to
switch
over
to
our
ordinances
at
7,
30.
L
Last
time
coming
up,
I'm
going
home
to
watch
Trump
I
would
like
to
ask
the
mayor
and
the
Commissioners
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs.
If
they
will
write
a
letter
of
safe
passage
for
our
band
going
to
New
York
when
I
was
on
the
board,
I
did
it
for
the
scouts
did
it
for
the
band
and
it
pays
off
because
you
tell
them
about
the
city
and
how
proud
you
are
of
our
young
students
and
the
band
and
I.
Remember
the
late.
L
Andy
salivarez
had
some
visitors
from
the
Macy's
company
in
New
York
with
that
letter
and
he
went
to
their
restaurant
and
because
he
put
in
there
beware
of
Greeks
bearing
gifts.
He
had
to
give
them
a
free
meal.
He
said,
and
he
took
him
around
and
so
did
Mr
souvlakis.
That
was
the
first
time
the
band
went
to
march
in
the
Macy's
parade
and
I
would
like
to
see
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs.
We
have
time
to
write
one
tomorrow.
L
Everybody
can
sign
and
send
it
to
the
to
the
school
for
the
band
Master
to
present,
and
it
also
brought
a
lot
of
publicity.
There
were
only
two
or
three
cities
that
did
that
our
Rotary
Club
is
riding
one
I'm
going
to
the
chamber
tomorrow
and
I've
been
to
some
businesses.
They're
writing
letters,
a
safe
passage,
it's
just
something:
that's
nice
to
introduce
Tarpon,
to
introduce
the
students
and
thanking
them
for
bringing
Tarpon
Springs
back
to
the
parade,
and
it's
it's
a
good
gesture.
T
I'm
Stephen
Thompson
I
live
at
615
Haven
Place
Tarpon
Springs
I
have
complained
multiple
times
about
cars
legally
illegally
parking
on
a
sidewalk
I've
been
here
a
couple
times.
I've
talked
to
the
chief
I've
talked
to
the
mayor.
The
mayor
told
me
today.
He
can't
do
anything
because
he's
just
one
member
or
five
well,
all
of
you
Commissioners,
except
for
this
young
fellow
this
young
young
fellow
here
with
the
black
hair
in
a
few
years,
you're
going
to
be
old.
Some
of
you
are
pushing
it
now.
T
How
are
you
going
to
feel
when
your
wife
or
you
were
in
a
wheelchair
or
have
to
use
a
walker?
You
have
to
use
a
crutch
or
a
cane
or
you
just
plain:
don't
walk
very
well
and
you're
having
to
dodge
around
illegally
parked
automobiles.
You
too
Chief!
Well,
if
it's
you
or
your
wife
having
a
Dodge
around
illegally
parked
Vehicles
when
you're
no
longer
an
achieve,
and
you
can't
do
anything
about
it
now.
The
American
Disability
Act
is
supposed
to
help
handicapped
people.
T
T
Okay,
the
mayor
can't
do
anything
by
himself,
so
I'm
hoping
some
of
you
Commissioners
will
get
together
with
him
and
actually
do
something
about
illegal
parking
on
the
sidewalks.
The
citizens
pay
for
them.
They
should
be
able
to
use
them.
I
bet.
If
you
did
a
survey,
you
would
find
that
they
would
agree.
T
T
N
Peter
lacks
514
and
just
to
confirm
what
Mr
Thompson
just
said,
riding
my
bike
down
to
Sunset
Beach,
sometimes
going
down
Golf
Road
on
the
west
side
of
Florida
Avenue.
N
N
N
N
So
in
this
article
a
couple
in
paragraphs
from
the
end,
Building
Safety
is
as
much
about
where
you
build
as
how
you
build
said.
Robert
McLeod,
director
of
the
School
of
Architecture
and
Community
design
at
the
University
of
South
Florida
buildings
located
on
the
water
or
directly
in
the
flood
pane
plane
face
the
greatest
threat.
As
climate
change
poses
an
increasing
risk
to
Coastal
communities,
McLeod
said
municipalities
and
developers
in
Florida
need
to
seriously
reconsider.
Building
in
these
areas,
I
don't
think
we
can
rely
on
building
codes
codes
to
solve
this
problem.
N
We
dealt
with
it
before
Mark
gonna
contest
to
it,
and
some
of
you
have
been
around
this
legislature
has
no
will
in
letting
up
on
trying
to
stop
our
home
rule.
You
know
about
it
about
airbnbs
and
so
many
other
things
that
have
come
up
that
have
limited
your
discretion
on
deciding
what
happens
in
your
community.
Thank
you.
A
A
Thank
you.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
ask
the
commission's
Indulgence.
If
we
could
waive
our
rules
of
procedure
for
the
7
30
start
time,
so
we
can
get
the
consent
agenda
out
of
the
way
that
allows
us
to
do
that.
If
I
could
have
a
motion,
if,
if
you're
amend
of
your
inclined
to
do
so
in
a
second,
so
we
can
waive
that
just
for
the
purpose
of
getting
the
consent
items
out
of
the
way,
there
is
no
ordinance,
that's
relying
on
anybody
that
would
be
here
from
the
outside
they're
all
city
ordinances,.
S
B
A
Yes,
okay,
let's
go
to
the
consent
agenda
item.
First,
let
me
ask:
are
there
any
items
that
you
would
like
to
have
pulled
number
three
over
three:
are
there
any
other.
E
A
So
we're
you're
fine,
we're
going
to
pull
in
item
number
three.
So
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
have
a
motion
for
approving
one
two,
four,
five:
six
and
seven.
A
Those
are
attorneys
fees,
Eunice,
Salzman,
Jensen,
PA
invoices
and
there's
several
of
them
item
two
special
events:
light
up
the
Bayou
and
B
Joe
Pappas
Memorial,
Music,
Festival
item
four
award:
final
purchase
of
core
cat
shelters,
utilizing
mammothy,
County,
Schools
district
contract
item
five
award
single
Source
purchase
of
on-based
software
item;
6
single
Source
purchase
a
sponge
boat
repairs
item
seven
award
single
Source
purchase
appears
fire
apparatus.
If
I
can
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
six.
A
Second,
a
second
okay,
let
me
ask
the
residents:
do
you
have
any
comments
on
any
of
those
I
six
items.
A
Thank
you.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
unless
there's
any
comment
by
the
commission,
I'd
like
to
have
a
roll
call,
please.
I
Q
H
This
was
just
a
quick
question
and
I
never
got
the
answer
to
this
I
I.
Just
don't
understand
why
we're
asking
for
130
000
dollars
if,
in
the
last
11
months,
we
spent
85.
H
So
if
you
do
math
that,
if
you
add
another
month
to
it,
it
would
just
bring
it
to
about
93
000.
If
you
want
to
be
extravagant,
you
could
be
a
hundred
I.
Just
don't
understand
why
we're
going
so
high
the
other
way.
I
know
it's
not
spent
money,
it's
an
allowance.
So
that
was
my
question.
J
S
Good
evening,
mayor
Commissioners,
Janina
Lewis
procurement,
Services
director.
Currently
we
are
experiencing
some
major
issues
with
the
fleet
in
the
past
couple
months,
not
just
the
Furman
one
in
particular,
but
several
older
vehicles
are
requiring
parts
that
are
very
hard
to
obtain.
The
parts
prices
have
gone
up
significantly
as
well
as
the
labor,
and
so
this
particular
contract
is
a
new
award
for
the
next
12
months
and
that
we're
just
trying
to
anticipate
a
logical
budget
and
granted.
We
haven't
spent
that
much,
but
we
want
to
anticipate
any
changes
over
the
next
year.
S
H
My
reason
for
asking
this
is
because
it's
this
is
not
the
only
thing.
It's
it's.
Every
single
agenda
item
that
comes
before
us
is
going
up.
Thirty
thousand
forty
thousand
fifty
thousand
I
didn't
bring
up
number
seven.
We
just
ex
you
know,
but
that's
the
same
question
I
could
have
for
that
as
well.
It's
just
I
I
would
like
to
give
baby
steps
rather
than
have
a
forty,
fifty
thousand
dollar.
H
If
you
say
that,
because
this
these
vehicles
have
some
extenuating
circumstances
and
they
really
in
in
bad
shape.
I
could
understand
it,
but
this
is
a
lot
a
lot
of
money
and
you
know
each
and
every
one
of
these
items
you
know
start
to
add
up
and
at
the
end
we
have
to
deal
with
the
residents
of
how
much
money
we've
spent.
Is
it
I
then
start
questioning?
Is
it
worth
the
fixing?
H
Is
it
worth
putting
all
that
money
in
or
it
should
be
just
start
getting
rid
of
and
or
reducing
or
changing,
so
I
just
don't
feel
comfortable
going
from
85
to
130..
That's
my
thing
so
I
mean
if
the
board
wants
to
vote
on
it.
I
will
probably
go
along
with
it
as
well.
I
just
would
like
to
take
realistic
numbers
rather
than
just
and
I'm,
not
knocking
your
your
estimate.
H
S
And
with,
and
with
that
estimated
budget,
I
mean
that's
really
just
our
placeholder
I
mean
we
only
spend
what
we
spend.
If
we
don't
spend
130
000,
then
the
next
year
we
will
come
back
and
readjust
our
budget.
It's
not
that
we're
going
to
keep
it
at
that
level.
There
is
a
you
know,
fine
line
of
did
we
spend
it?
No,
so
let's
bring
it
back
down
and
we
expecting
us
to
normalize
over
the
next
year.
I'm
hoping
but
again,
like
I,
said
we
can't
predict
everything
that
happens
in
the
next
couple
months.
I'm.
H
A
Probably
are
thank
you
Ms
Lewis,
I'm,
sorry,
yeah,.
D
Just
a
couple
comments
on
mayor
and
I
understand,
commissioner
Roger,
your
concerned.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
a
blanket
po
that
ultimately
says
you
could
spend
up
to
this
amount.
It
prevents
them
coming
back
and
asking
for
additional
approval.
I
see
what
you're
saying,
let's
approve,
45
or
50
000
I
need
more
that
come
back
to
us.
I
think
it's
just
more
operational
from
the
city
manager
side
to
say:
let
them
fix
the
vehicles
when
they
need
to
be
fixed
and
they'll
spend
what
they
need
to
spend.
D
D
So
it
could
be
a
good
idea
for
the
city
manager
to
sit
down
or
just
provide
a
reportable
board
about
this,
because
there's
a
lot
of
money,
that's
spent
and
you
bring
up
a
good
point
about
the
maintenance
side
of
things
that
it's
not
just
a
Chevy.
There's
also
been
Ford,
there's
been
some
Dodge
stuff.
There's
been
some
other
items
as
well
too,
so
I
think
it
falls
under
Tom.
Is
that
right,
Mark?
D
How
often
do
you
replace
a
vehicle
when,
what's
that
break
even
point
at
the
mileage,
when
maintenance
becomes
too
much
to
where
it's
better
to
buy
a
new
vehicle
instead
of
replace
it
I'm
always
more
like
I'm,
going
to
run
it
to
the
ground,
30
to
300
000
miles,
and
then
it
hits
the
junk
yard,
but
I
understand,
there's
more
cost
to
doing
that,
sometimes,
especially
when
you
have
a
large
Fleet.
So
that
would
be
something.
I
would
like
to
see
a
little
more
information
on
as
well
too
kind
of
the
debris.
A
Vice
mayor
alone-
yes,
okay,
I
I,
don't
have
anything
I
I
think
it
sounds
like
something
we
should
be
talking
about
at
budget
time
when
this
comes
up
and
and
I
think
Ms
Lewis
is
trying
to
hedge
against
unforeseen
circumstances,
which
you've
got
older
cars
that
happens
and
I.
Think
it's
just
as
simple
as
that.
A
At
this
point,
I
think
in
following
up
with
what
commissioner
Carr
is
saying,
I
think
if
any
commissioner
would
like
to
learn
more
about
it,
I
would
I
would
ask
that
they
get
with
Mr
function
or
is
his
repair
pool
and
and
see
what
information
they
have
in
that
regard?
Maybe
that'll
make
everyone
feel
a
little
better
about
this.
In
any
case,
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
public
on
this.
Are
there
any
comments
concerning
this
item?
This
has
got
to
do
with
repair
parts,
Mr
jump.
Are
there
any
public
comments.
A
A
A
Yes,
okay:
let's
go
to
ordinances
and
resolutions.
Item
number
14
resolution,
2022-45
budget
resolution
for
fiscal
year;
2022
closeout.
Let's
see
this
galasteki.
Would
you
like
to
read
the
resolution
by
ordinance?
Please.
A
Okay,
thank
you
yeah
in
our
procedure
for
these
items,
I
misspoke.
We
read
each
of
these,
whether
it's
a
resolution
or
ordinance
by
title
and
then
that
allows
us
to
get
into
the
presentation,
city
manager.
Of
course,
Ron.
X
Okay,
good
evening,
mayor
Commissioners,
Ron
Herring,
Finance
director.
This
is
budget
resolution,
2022
45
being
brought
before
you
to
budget
for
items
that
were
not
previously
budgeted
for
in
the
fiscal
year.
2022
budget
is
the
final
budget
resolution
for
fiscal
year.
2022.
The
previous
year
is
cleaning
up
some.
Some
last
items
I
tried
to
list
the
items
on
the
cover
letter
there.
Some
of
the
major
items
are
the
hospital
ER
payment
for
when
they
built
the
hospital
ER
per
the
lease.
X
A
A
X
The
city
has
a
policy
where,
where
employees
can
sell
back
some
of
their
vacation
time-
and
we
especially
we
one
of
the
big
times-
is
during
Christmas
for
about
three
weeks
where
they
can
sell
back
vacation
money
and
they
can
do
it
throughout
the
year.
If
you
take
a
week
off,
you
can
sell
another
week.
So
yes,
it's
it's
unbudgeted
item,
because
we
never
know
how
much
they're
going
to
use
and
that's
why
that
is
on
there.
X
X
G
What
I'm
going
to
say
is
I've
been
in
Industries
before
where
we
were
in
the
position
to
buy
back
vacations
and
what
we
found
and
what
there
were
studies
on
was
that,
when
this
occurred
instead
of
the
employees
actually
taking
vacations,
we
ended
up
with
employees
that
were
not
operating
to
their
fullest
extent.
In
other
words,
the
the
common
belief
is
that
employees
need
downtime
if
they
sell
that
time
back
to
the
city.
G
G
Well,
if
I
have
three
weeks,
vacation
I'm
allowed
to
sell
how
much
back
to
the
city
just
one
week,
just
one
week
of
the
three
weeks,
yeah
and.
G
G
D
I've
just
got
a
quick
question
about
the
revenue
side:
Ron
yeah,
there's
a
line
that
talks
about
the
half
cent
sales
tax.
It's
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
more
than
budgeted
am
I.
Understand
that
correctly.
That.
D
D
X
D
H
I
had
a
couple
of
questions,
but
we
spoke
the
other
night.
So
I
really
don't
have
anything
to
say.
I
X
X
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I,
don't
have
anything
Mr
Herring.
Thank
you.
Can
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
please.
Let's.
A
Yes,
we're
going
to
go
to
item
15,
ordinance,
22,
I'm,
sorry,
2022-31,
amending
Charter,
strategic
plan,
implementation
and
budget
priorities,
Ms
galasteki,
if
you
could
read
the
ordinance
my
time,
please.
W
Ordinance
number
2022-31,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
submitting
to
the
electors
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
proposed
amendments
to
Section
8
of
Article
2
of
the
city
Charter,
to
provide
for
a
public
hearing
no
later
than
June
30th
of
each
budget
cycle
for
Budget
priorities
to
provide
for
the
implementation
of
a
strategic
plan
for
the
city
to
be
updated.
Every
three
fiscal
years
providing
for
severability
providing
for
conflict
providing
for
codification
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Hereof.
J
I
told
Renee
that
I
would
handle
this
item
for
her,
since
we
had
extensive
discussion
about
it
at
the
last
meeting,
pretty
much
looking
on
page
two,
the
language
for
the
budget
cycle
hasn't
changed
from
from
our
our
last
meeting.
What
we
worked
on
for
some
different
warding,
some
additional
wording
for
the
Strategic
plan.
You
can
see
in
Blue
on
there
I'll
read
it
to
review
and
update
every
three
fiscal
years,
beginning
October,
1,
2023,
a
city-wise
strategic
plan.
J
The
Strategic
plan
shall
be
implemented
and
utilized
for
creating
City
policy,
budgeting
and
capital
project
planning
consistence
with
its
mission
statement,
core
values
and
vision
statement.
The
wording
for
this
rewarding
of
course
came
from
your
input,
so
we
said
we
had
time
to
bring
it
back
for
another.
First
reading,
we've
made
those
changes
and
we
think
it's
ready
for
the
ordinance
and
then
subsequently
we'll
be
writing
a
language.
To
put
these
on
as
a
chart
of
questions.
A
J
Renee
went
back
and
looked
at
it
and
the
way
it's
written
for
the
comprehensive
plan.
This
language
fits
in
perfect
to
be
reviewing
the
comprehensive
plan
starting
this
one
remember.
It
says
it
will
begin
October,
1
2023,
to
move
into
24.,
so
this
would
be
a
perfect
lead
way
where
you
could
be
reviewing
the
comp
plan
and
then
going
to
strategic
plan
and
Renee
said
it
works
perfect
for
the
schedule
of
of
reviewing
those
two
back
to
back
and
and
not
bunching
them
together
and
stuff.
J
A
Let's
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item?
This
is
amending
the
city's
Charter
for
memorializing
the
Strategic
plan,
and
also
establishing
a
requirement
that
the
public
have
an
input
in
the
budget
priorities
at
the
outset
of
each
budget
cycle
rather
than
waiting
until
the
very
end.
Is
there
any
public
comments?
Mr
jumper?
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
G
D
Yeah
I'm
I'm,
trying
to
support
this
tonight
I,
do
think
it's
a
good
idea
that
it
would
go
before
the
budget
I'm.
Sorry,
the
charter
Review
Committee
as
well,
but
with
this
section
I,
think
the
board
has
the
right
to
move
it
forward.
D
In
the
meantime,
I
think
it
would
also
be
a
good
idea
to
put
some
type
of
resolution
together,
at
least
to
codify
as
a
as
some
type
of
resolution,
for
the
board
that,
regardless
of
the
residents
codify
it
and
the
charter,
that
it's
still
the
board's
wish
and
to
put
it
for
future
boards
that
the
public
hearings
will
be
had,
and
then
the
Strategic
plan
will
also
be
reviewed
too.
So
a
touch
base
in
the
last
meeting
that
there's
the
three
different
steps,
a
resolution,
ordinance
and
then
Charter.
D
Obviously,
Charter
is
like
the
the
once
it's
in
there.
It's
the
most
difficult
one
to
change
from
any
board,
but
we
could
still
put
in
as
a
current
board
a
resolution
ordinance
to
go
ahead
and
put
that
in
law
for
the
city,
Tarpon
Springs,
even
before
the
residents
vote
on
putting
the
charter.
I
think
that
would
also
give
it
some
additional
I.
D
I,
don't
know
what
the
correct
word
but
and
I
can't
remember
the
right.
E
A
H
Mayor
I,
as
I
said
last
time,
I
agree
as
it's
written
I'm
glad
the
public
will
have
a
a
say
in
what
the
budget
is
prior
to
rather
than
after
so
I'm.
All
for
this.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah
I
I
think
what
we're
going
to
find
is,
after
the
in
December
we're
going
to
have
a
number
of
ordinances
that
are
coming
forward,
that
we,
because
of
the
the
advertising
we
couldn't
get
to
and
then
after
the
first
of
the
year,
there'll
be
some
new
initiatives
coming
forward,
getting
ready
for
the
referendum
and
stuff,
and
we
can
address
commissioner
Carr's
comments
at
that
time.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
A
B
I
just
wanted
to
announce
that
if
this
ordinance
is
approved
on
its
first
reading,
the
second
reading
will
be
held
on
December
6th
and
it
will
be
published
in
the
Tampa
Bay
Times
by
title
only
on
November
23rd
of
2022.,
commissioner
kuyas.
Yes,.
B
I
J
Of
course,
I'll
start
because
my
part
of
it's
real
easy,
because
it's
a
real,
simple
change
of
the
ordinance,
the
complicated
part
I'll
turn
over
to
to
our
our
building
official
Kevin
Powell
and
fire
chief.
So
let
me
do
my
part.
First,
the
simple
change
in
the
ordinance.
The
way
this
ordinance
reads
before
is
the
ordinance
just
came
out
and
designated
the
building
official
as
the
dead
be
designated
as
the
plan
floodplain
administrator.
J
It
also
said
the
floodplain
administrator
May
delegate
performance
of
certain
duties
to
other
employees,
so
it
just
spelled
out
in
the
ordinance
that
that's
who
it
was,
which
may
be
a
situation
now
where
it
wouldn't
be,
but
the
change
of
the
ordinance
is
just
to
say
that
the
floodplain
administrator
shall
be
appointed
by
the
city
manager
as
opposed
to
just
designated
straight
out
a
building
official
to
get
why
we
want
to
make
this
change,
it
has
to
do
with
something
after
the
audience
has
passed,
something
we'll
bring
forward
to
you
and
that's
where
I'll
turn
it
over
to
to
Kevin
and
Scott.
Y
Good
evening,
mayor,
Commissioners,
Kevin,
Powell,
building
development
director
we're
bringing
this
forward
and
changing
the
designation
of
the
flipplane
administrator
to
appointment
by
the
the
city
manager
and
there's
a
couple
of
reasons.
One
the
floodplain
management
portion
of
the
department
has
grown
over
the
years,
we're
now
looking
at
falling
into
a
lot
more
Emergency
Management.
We
had
a
meeting
with
FEMA
yesterday
and
FEMA
is
and
going
in
this
direction,
also
where
they
want
floodplain
administrators
and
Emergency
Management
to
merge
together.
Y
So
by
doing
this,
we'll
also
look
at
possibly
lowing
our
CRS
score.
We've
just
lowered
it
once
again,
when
I
got
here.
Four
and
a
half
years
ago
we
were
at
a
seven
with
the
potential
of
being
suspended.
We've
taken
that
to
a
six
to
a
five
and
now
moving
it
into
an
emergency
management
umbrella.
We
can
look
at
potentially
getting
that
to
a
four
without
being
more
restrictive
on
the
building
side
of
it.
Y
In
order
for
us
to
do
that
now,
we
would
have
to
start
being
more
restrictive
in
building
of
structures
within
the
city
Higher
free
boards,
and
that
type
of
thing,
so
we
can
go
ahead
and
gain
activity
points
through
Emergency
Management
and
those
resources
there,
which
they
work
hand
in
hand
right
now
and
as
as
we've
gone
through
it
right
now,
Megan
is
our
floodplain
coordinator.
Y
That's
going
to
benefit
the
city
right
now,
like
I
said,
we've
we've
been
able
to
reduce
our
score
so
starting
April
1st
we're
going
to
be
a
category
five
you're
looking
at
that'd,
be
about
a
25
discount
on
an
average
flood
policy,
as
if
we
weren't
in
the
CRS
program
you're
looking
at
3.8
million
dollar
savings
by
implementing
these
programs,
so
I
think
by
putting
it
in
more
of
an
emergency
management
role,
we're
going
to
be
able
to
bring
an
additional
discount
to
our
residents
and
there
again
not
being
restrictive
on
our
contractors
developing
within
the
city.
Y
Also
having
that
position
and
the
Emergency
Management
role,
there's
also
grant
opportunities
out
there.
Not
only
are
they
going
to
be
able
to
concentrate
on
the
opportunities
that
we
have
within
floodplain
management
side
of
it,
but
also
look
at
the
the
grant
side
of
it
bringing
additional
grants
to
the
city.
We
just
feel
that
it's
a
better
area
to
be
in
by
an
appointment
for
the
position
than
keeping
it
in
the
building
department
and
kind
of
locking
in
into
that
one
area
that
we
only
look
at
building
side
of
it.
Y
We
need
to
step
back
and
look
at
the
entire
city
as
a
whole
and
Emergency
Management
is
part
of
that.
Building
is
part
of
that
storm
water
is
part
of
that.
So
that's
where
we're
looking
at
changing
that
wording
in
there
that
it's
an
appointed
by
the
city
manager
and
not
by
the
building
official,
because
that's
just
going
to
be
mainly
I,
believe
a
building
related
item,
we're
not
going
to
look
outside
the
box
over
there.
So
I
I
just
think.
That's
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
For
that.
U
Good
evening,
Scott
young
fire
chief,
so
this
kind
of
started
during
Ian
when
we're
here
for
this
we
talked
about
it.
Kevin
and
I
talked
about
it.
We
had
been
looking
for
the
past
few
years
to
try
to
do
something
with
a
more
permanent
person
in
the
department
that
was
doing
Emergency
Management,
to
focus
primarily
on
Emergency
Management.
It's
kind
of
a
specialty
item,
there's
four
phases
of
Emergency
Management
that
we
have
to
concentrate
on
mitigation,
preparedness
response
and
Recovery.
We
can
do
the
response.
U
We
have
that
down
preparedness
mitigation
issues
that
needs
to
be
worked
on.
We
talked
before
about
revamping
the
coupe
plan.
It
bring
it
up
to
Modern
standards,
our
emergency
preparedness
plan,
some
cities
take
that
outside
pay.
Consultants
to
do
these
plans
pay
fifty
thousand
dollars
plus.
Lo
and
behold,
we
have
somebody
within
our
city
that
can
do
this.
Megan's
looked
at
him,
she
says
I
can
do
these
I
can
make
these
better.
So
we
have
somebody
by
doing
that,
so
it's
more
cost
effective.
U
We
can
start
getting
enhancing
and
doing
better
with
it's
just
a
win-win
I
think
for
all
the
departments
in
the
city
to
be
ready
for
the
next
storm
or
covid
whatever
they
handle
all
these
types
of
things,
rather
than
my
staff
trying
to
do
the
fire
department
stuff
along
with
a
little
bit
of
Emergency
Management.
Now
we
would
have
somebody
dedicated
in
the
Emergency
Management.
Our
primary
roles
would
stay
as
the
floodplain
manager
or
administrative.
That
would
be
the
main
part,
but
they're
integrated.
U
Now,
that's
what's
happening
as
Kevin
said,
FEMA
is
wanting
all
the
cities
to
go
this
way
with
their
floodplain
coordinators
or
managers
and
make
them
part
of
Emergency
Management,
so
we're
just
trying
to
get
ahead
of
the
curve
a
little
bit
and
make
this
happen.
So
with
that
we'll
answer
any
questions.
U
You
if
the
reorg
goes
through,
we
would
put
them
into
the
fire
departments
around.
They
would
be
under
us
because
we
work
hand
in
hand
now
Megan's
constantly
always
calling
us
for
Stuff
trying
to
say.
Do
you
have
these
types
of
things?
Do
you
have
this
or
that?
So
we
would
just
combine
it
into
our
department.
A
Yes,
that's
fine
I
just
wanted
some
clarification
on
that.
Let's
go
to
public
comments.
Are
we
done
with
the
presentation?
Okay,
let's
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
G
Hi,
so
this
person
is
not
cabin.
Obviously,
who
who
is
this
person?
That's
going
to
be
floodplain
manager.
D
Y
Raised
she's
our
current
floodplain
coordinator,
it
would
turn
into
a
floodplain
administrator
role.
She
would
still
do
the
role
that
she's
doing
within
the
building
department
and
continue
on
with
the
CRS
Community
rating
system.
She'll
still
be
working
on
that,
but
also,
in
addition,
be
doing
stuff
on
the
Emergency
Management
side.
What
she's
basically
doing
now
and
then,
like
I,
said
earlier.
Y
We
just
had
a
meeting
with
FEMA
yesterday
and
FEMA
is
starting
to
push
this,
where
floodplain
administrators
fall
into
an
emergency
management
role
and
you're,
seeing
more
and
more
communities
around
us
going
to
that.
So
when
you
have
conference
calls
and
all
that
the
floodplain
administrators
are
within
Emergency
Management,
so.
G
Y
Y
As
far
as
floodplain
management,
as
she's
doing
now,
with
Emergency
Management,
she
still
oversees
the
floodplain
management
role
and
it's
really
the
community
rating
system,
where
there's
activities
and
and
points
that
we
get
to
get
a
lower
score.
So
she's
actively
involved
in
that
she's,
not
as
much
as
as
building
but
she's
housed
in
the
building
department
and
she
works
on
floodplain
management
role
from
there.
Yes
and
building.
We
have
floodplain
that
we
have
to
take
into
consideration
when
we're
building
free
board
Network.
G
Points
it
sounds
to
me
a
little
bit
like
we're
gaming,
the
system,
but
if
it's
you
know
a
plus
for
our
residents,
then
right.
J
It's
the
simple
basis
which
I
understand
why
it's
real
simple
by
our
ordinance
now
he's
the
fledged
land
administrator
and
he's
designated
her
to
do
works
as
a
coordinator.
That's
not
the
actuality
now
in
actuality.
Now
he'll
tell
you
she's
the
floodplain
administrator,
but
he
has
to
be
called
it
because
of
ordinance
being
the
floodplain
administrator.
J
J
That's
the
difference.
The
ordinance
really
doesn't
depict
how
it
is
now
we're
doing
some
of
what
you
said
the
system
now
and
we're
trying
to
change
the
actuality.
What's
going
because
he'll
tell
you
that
that
she's,
really
the
Flint
fan
what
we
call
her
a
coordinator
because
of
of.
G
This
ordinance
I
understand,
so
is
she
going
to
be
she'll,
be
reporting
to
you,
Scott.
U
She
would
she'd
be
under
my
department.
She
would
have
the
Emergency
Management
division
of
our
department
and
work
on
all
the
preparedness
things
community
outreach
programs
that
we
need
to
do
should
be
looking
for
the
grants
out
there
that
come
up
during
and
after
the
storms
like
kova,
there
was
a
lot
of
Grants
out
there
that
we
were
trying
to
get
she'd
work
on
those
types
of
things.
It
would
just
enhance
our
Emergency
Management
Department
and,
at
the
same
time
we
believe
it'll
help
the
CRS
and
floodplain
Management
program,
because
we'll
have
one
person
concentrating.
J
On
both
believe
it
probably
yeah,
let
me
go
back
to
mine
too,
when
you
see
after
this
passes.
In
fact,
the
next
item
after
the
second
reading
will
be
this
reorganization.
The
key
is
that
the
city
manager
assigns
it
wherever
it
is
for
now
I'm
bringing
you
a
reorg
to
sign
it
to
them,
because
that's
where
all
the
new
everything
she
has
to
do,
look
she'll
be
doing
everything
she's
doing
at
building
now
the
new
stuff
will
be
under
there.
J
So
at
another
time
another
city
manager
or
my
you
know,
another
city
manager
in
two
or
three
years
acclimated.
It
could
be
moved
somewhere
else,
but
right
now,
you'll
see
a
new
organization
that
needs
to
go
there,
because
that's
what
should
be
picking
up
all
the
the
news,
the
new
materials
and
the
new
stuff
there'd
be
no
really
need
the
sign
of
the
building
because
you
most
of
the
time
integrating
the
Emergency
Management.
So
the
reorg
would,
at
this
time,
put
her
on
the
fire
department,
which
is
the
best
place
and
one
other
thing.
Y
Same
job,
Emergency,
Management
side
and
like
I
said
as
as
FEMA
had
our
meeting
yesterday.
This
is
the
this
is
the
Avenue
they're
going.
They
want
floodplain,
administrator
and
Emergency
Management
to
merge
together,
so
we're
just
kind
of
trying
to
stay
ahead
of
that
and
that
you
know,
majority
of
the
jurisdictions
in
the
area
are.
G
J
It's
going
to
be
a
sign,
but
you
know
like
a
lot
of
other
bars.
They
they
work
in
different
fields.
Like
I,
say:
Public
Works
was
included
in
some
of
the
stuff
she's
doing
now
with
building
and
public
work.
It's
in
the
floodplain
manager
extends
more
than
one
department.
So
technically,
but
you
got
to
assign
it
under
somebody.
So.
D
Thanks
mayor,
the
ordinance
makes
sense.
I've
got
no
issues
with
that
that
the
city
manager
is
the
one
that
appoint
the
floodplain,
administer
also
the
reorg
I.
Don't
that's
up
to
this
I
think
I
really
focus
on
the
city
manager
and
his
staff
to
make
those
decisions,
and
so
I
think
you
guys
brought
a
great
proposition
forward
and
you
brought
some
great
points
up
pertaining
to
FEMA
and
being
it's
a
strategic
move
is
what
it
sounds
like
and
Kevin.
You
said
something:
that's
really
astounding.
D
D
Can
you
touch
base
on
that
a
little
bit
more,
so
the
residents
understand
and
I
mean
this
is
something
I
think
needs
to
be
celebrated
for
you
and
the
department
and
the
city
for
the
residents,
because
that's
a
significant
amount
of
money
that
the
residents
save
on
their
flood
premiums,
because
of
what
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
does
within
the
building
department
and
Megan,
with
the
work
that
she's
done.
Also
in
that
in
your
department,
so
yeah
so.
Y
Every
five
years
you
have
a
FEMA
audit
when
you're
a
a
category,
seven
or
above
so
when
I
came
here.
Four
and
a
half
years
ago,
I
walked
into
a
FEMA
audit,
I
left
a
FEMA
audit
and
then
walked
into
another
one.
Here
our
FEMA
program
was
not
running
properly.
Our
CRS
program,
I,
should
say,
was
not
running
properly.
The
elevation
certificates,
everything
was
out
of
order.
We
sat
down
with
Megan
and
she
took
on
that
role
for
the
CRS
coordinator.
At
the
time
she
worked
very
hard.
Getting
elevation
certificates
corrected.
Y
We
did
have
to
reach
out
at
one
time
for
a
consultant
to
help
out.
At
that
time
period
we
were
able
to
save
ourselves
from
being
suspended
from
the
program
to
actually
lowering
our
score
so
walked
in
here
at
a
seven
worked
very
hard
for
several
months
and
got
everything
straightened
out
and
we
were
able
to
lower
the
score
to
a
six
that
put
us
into
a
three-year
audit.
Now,
because
now
we're
you
know,
considered
a
you
know,
a
good
community.
Y
Y
So
during
that
audit
everything
was
gone
through,
we
did
not
have
to
bring
in
a
consultant
this
time,
as
we
did
the
first
time
so
we
saved
there,
so
you
know
being
able
to
do
everything
in-house
and
and
Megan
knows,
what's
going
on
in
their
support
from
the
commission
support
from
the
city
manager
in
order
to
go
ahead
and
get
our
score
lowered
once
again,
so
she
worked
hard
and
got
our
score
lower
to
a
five.
Y
So
you
know
over
a
four
and
a
half
year
period
we
went
from
a
seven
with
the
potential
of
being
suspended
from
the
program,
which
means
we
would
have
gone
to
a
nine
and
any
discount
would
have
went
away.
So
we
were
able
to
maintain
that
and
start
lowering
that
every
every
score
was
an
additional
five
percent
discount
on
that
and,
like
I,
said
we're
looking
at,
you
know
just
rough
numbers
from
being
a
nine
to
to
a
five
you're.
Y
Looking
at
3.8
million
in
savings
to
our
residents
on
flood
insurance
within
the
city,
you
know
that's
might
be
a
few
hundred
dollars
to
somebody,
but
it's
a
lot
to
a
lot
of
people.
So
she's
done
a
tremendous
job
at
it
and
she
does
work
hand
in
hand
with
Emergency
Management
storm
water.
You
know,
as
as
we
continue
to
grow
this
program.
You
know
it's
it's
for
our
residents
here
that
we're
trying
to
get
our
score
lowered
and
save
them
on
their
insurances
and
also
for
time
of
disasters.
Y
You
know
we
want
to
mitigate
those
problems
early
before
there's
problems
later
on,
and
you
know
to
get
those
points
for
the
future
going
through
Emergency,
Management
versus
being
more
restrictive
on
the
building
side.
You
know,
I've
had
contractors
reach
out
and
say:
hey
whatever
you
do,
don't
don't
get
more
restrictive
on.
You
know
free
boards
and
all
that
type
of
thing
within
within
the
city.
So
we
can
find
other
ways
to
to
get
those,
and
you
know,
get
our
score
lowered
and
and
help
our
residents.
Y
D
Yeah
I
just
want
to
I
mean
thank
you
for
doing
that.
Thank
you
for
your
work
on
this.
That's
something
that
is
just
behind
the
scenes
that
happens.
That
is
a
huge
thing
for
the
city
of
for
the
city
residents
in
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
highlighted.
Hopefully
we
can
do
something
on
our
Facebook
or
I.
Don't
know
make
your
employee
of
the
year
or
something
but.
P
D
To
do
that,
that's
a
there's,
not
one
person,
I,
think
that
really
has
that
big
of
an
impact
to
the
resident's
Pockets
outside
of
this
position
so
and
full
support
of
what
you
all
are
trying
to
do
and
continue
to
lower
this
to
a
lower
point,
and
thank
you
for
bringing
this
proactively
and
being
strategic
behind
this.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Eichner
thank.
H
U
Yes,
she
would
change
over
the
fire
department
budget
in
actuality.
We
would
get
some
money
from
the
county
for
that
salary
because,
through
our
fire
budget
the
county
pays
for
a
percentage
of
that,
so
she
would
fall
under
that
I
mean
a
portion
of
that
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
the
percentage
would
be
paid
by
the
county
for
that
position.
H
U
H
But
no,
that's!
Okay!
Thank
you
because
you
know
I'm
very
strong
about
performance
increases.
You
know
the
kind
of
numbers
that
she's
saved
for
the
city,
as
commissioner
Carr
said
and
and
everybody
else
has
felt.
You
know
that
that's
a
savings
that
you
just
I,
don't
know
any
one
person
that
can
do
something
like
that.
So
you
know
kudos
to
you.
Thank
you
beside
the
fact
that
I
see
her
at
every
event.
Working
very
hard
to
you
know
appease
the
residents.
So
thank
you
for
that
as
well.
H
I
think
he
kind
of
answered
all
my
questions.
You
know
that's
good
about
being
second
to
last,
so
thank
you
both
for
your
contribution.
It
was
a
great
suggestion,
I'd
like
to
see
it
go
down
even
lower
if
we
could
possibly
do
it
and
just
once
again
making.
Thank
you
I
I
know.
You've
worked
very
hard.
Thank
you
much.
I
Thank
you.
Both
I
appreciate
appreciate
the
presentation,
thank
you,
Miss
Sariah
for
all
the
hard
work
you've
done
and
and
getting
our
ratings
down
after
this
reorganization.
I
Our
current
FEMA
CRS
rating
is
out
of
five,
yes,
okay,
and
how
soon
will
we
be
audited
again
to
see
if
we
can
get
it
down
to
three
years
in.
I
It
okay,
so
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
happy
to
support
it.
Thank
you
all.
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
see
a
reorganization
resolution
at
the
next
Commission
meeting.
A
Some
more
and
and
if
there's
any
other,
further
questions
on
it.
Thank
you
very
much
for
everything
that
you're
doing
it's
it.
It's
It's,
Complicated
area
and
I
know
it's
very
easily
could
get
tripped
up
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
paying
attention
to
detail.
A
Miss
Jacobs
roll
call.
We
need
to
read
the
ordinance
by
title
again.
B
If
this
ordinance
is
approved
on
its
first
reading,
the
second
reading
will
be
held
on
December
6th
of
2022
and
will
be
published
in
the
Tampa
Bay
Times
by
title
only
on
November
23rd
of
2022.,
commissioner
kuyas.
Yes,.
B
B
A
Z
Thank
you
good
evening,
Paul
Smith,
Public
Services
director.
This
project
is
to
perform
structural
repairs
and
Roofing
replacement
for
the
cemetery's
mausoleum
building
the
procurement
department
and
project
Administration
departments
have
gone
through
extraordinary
lengths
to
bring
this
contract
for
your
approval.
We
find
the
pricing
as
as
negotiated
to
be
fair
and
reasonable
under
the
circumstances
and
procurement
and
project
Administration
staff
are
here
for
questions
as
well.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
A
What
what
what
Mr
Smith
said
was
straightforward,
but
it's
a
very
complicated
repair
that
needs
to
be
done.
I
had
a
conversation
with
Mr
Robertson
and
let
me
just
see
if
the
Public's
got
any
questions
first,
then
we
can
go
to
the
Commissioners
and
see
if
you've
got
any
questions
from
Mr
Robertson.
Are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
this
item.
A
Time:
okay,
thank
you.
Let's
go
to
the
commission
in
I
know.
I
had
a
bunch
of
questions,
but
let's
see
what
the
commission
has
I
have
no
questions
at.
D
Hey
Bob
and
Paul,
it's
had
a
what's
the
life
expectancy
of
this
new
roof.
P
D
Is
there
again
I
know
this
is
a
significant
amount
of
money
being
spent?
Is
there
any
other?
Well?
Is
there
any
other
alternative,
roofing
system
that
would
last
longer
than
20
or
30
years?
That
is
in
the
marketplace
right
now,
in
Florida,
you
could
that's
been
evaluated.
P
H
Thank
you
mayor,
so
I
did
look
at
this
and
I
can
see.
This
is
a
anytime
you
get
involved
in
structural.
It
could
get
very,
very
hairy
on
this.
Would
they
be
changing
because
I
read
that
the
pooling
of
water
and
the
pooling
of
water
is
what
Disturbed
the
I-beams
is
that
correct?
That's.
H
Yeah,
so
would
they
be
trying
to
make
a
concave
type
I-beam
out
of
it
or
a
v,
a
slight
v-shaped
so
that
water
runs
off
and
if
not,
would
they
then
be
in
a
position
to
make
it
a
straight
I-beam
but
pitch
the
roof
so
that
that
water
doesn't
pool?
Because
all
these
things
are
retrofits?
If
you,
if
the
I-beam
wasn't
rotted
you,
it
would
be
a
Cakewalk
rather
than
what
we're
involved
doing
right
now.
So
it's
not
whether
the
roof
lasts.
H
P
That's
right,
yeah,
I,
think
what
you're
talking
about
is
the
parapet
wall
at
the
the
roofing
system
rests
on
yes,
yeah,
so
part
of
this
repair
includes
a
we'll
call.
It
an
extended
flashing
that
once
that
parapet
wall
is
repaired
and
the
concrete
work
is
fixed,
then
this
new
flashing
is
going
to
cover
that
entirety
to
prevent
any
moisture
from
getting
into
it.
So
there's
that
part,
and
then
the
second
part
you're
talking
about
is
the
drainage
of
the
roof.
P
H
P
H
So
was
it
misdesigned
when
it
was
first
put
on
or
was
it
just
the
lack
of
knowledge
I
mean
I
I
know
you
weren't
around
back
then,
but
have
any
idea
on
that.
P
H
I'm,
just
glad
that
it's
going
to
be
done
correctly
this
time,
because
otherwise
this
is
going
to
happen
just
again.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
A
I
I'm
not
too
crazy
about
the
price,
but
I
understand
it
has
to
get
done.
Is
any
water
leaking
onto
those
who
have
been
laid
to
rest
and
that,
underneath
that
mausoleum.
P
We
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
evidence
of
that.
We
we
do
see
some
that
comes
down
the
side
of
the
building,
which
is
why
you'll
see
in
there
that
we're
addressing
some
of
the
Granite
facade
so
we're
going
to
pull
that
off.
Make
sure
there
isn't
any
damage
to
the
concrete
underneath
it.
If
there
is,
it
will
get
repaired
as
part
of
the
project
and
those
Granite
pieces
will
be
reinstalled
but
tar
knowledge
I,
don't
think
so.
Have
you
seen
or
have
you
heard
any
reports
of
that
Paul.
P
A
Thank
you
mayor.
It's
quite
a
complicated
thing:
I
had
a
little
bit
of
difficulty
with
the
price
as
well
and
and
we
went
through
it
and
Mr
Mr
Robertson
through
his
paces,
and
he
explained
everything
and
originally
the
price.
One
approach
was
560.
Something
thousand
this
one
we're
down
to
about.
411
I
think
is
that
correct,
422,
yes,
422
and
then
also
you
know
you
talk
about
maybe
taking
an
alternative
approach
that
would
be
less
expensive.
But
then
what
happens
is
you?
A
At
the
higher
price,
so
I'm
fine,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay
may
I
have
a
a
motion
and
a
second
please
motion
to
approve
second,
okay,
roll
call.
Please,
commissioner,.
B
I
I
A
Okay:
item
number:
nine
award
file,
number
230042-c-a-s,
fencing
gate
operators
and
handrails
utilizing
Pinellas
County
contract
number;
two:
one:
zero:
zero:
three
one:
B
parent
b,
w
parent,
a
Tampa
Bay
Area,
purchasing,
Cooperative
contract
city
manager,.
J
A
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Trump,
vice
mayor
Lund,.
G
I
really
don't
have
too
many
questions,
except
for
why
do
we
spend
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
on
railings
and
Gates
I
didn't
know?
We
had
that
many.
S
G
S
The
systems
itself,
those
are
quite
expensive
and
if
they're
not
installed
properly,
we
will
have
to
replace
an
entire
system
just
to
get
it
to
work
and
function
like
it's
supposed
to.
So
we
estimate
that
portion
that
cost
us
10
grand
alone
for
one
area,
and
then
this
also
includes
all
the
fencing
like.
We
just
did
the
fencing
around
Riverside
Park.
S
We
did
that
I
think
it's
called
powder
coating
I'm,
not
expert,
but
we
did
that
black
powdered
coated,
fencing
and
it
it
does
amazing
things
for
the
city,
one
it
beautifies
the
parks
and
it
makes
it
look
better
and
two
it
lasts
longer.
The
third
reason
we
like
to
use
this
contract
is
because
this
particular
contractor
in
the
past
has
normally
held
pretty
pretty
decent
pricing
and
they
usually
have
materials
on
hand.
A
D
Yeah
just
to
touch
base
on
a
couple
items,
so
the
city's
done
a
really
good
job
of
replacing
a
lot
of
the
old
fencing.
That's
been
around
for
probably
40
years
at
a
lot
of
the
sports
and
recreation
areas
at
Dorset
park
at
Sizzler
field
at
Riverside
field,
I
do
know.
There's
a
Riverside
tennis.
Courts
are
due
to
be
replaced,
I
think
probably
the
Craig
Park
tennis
courts
are
probably
due
to
be
replaced.
D
There
might
be
some
areas
in
Jasmine
field
as
well,
but
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
seems
like
a
lot,
but
when
you
extend
it
over
five
years,
I
could
be
eating
up
pretty
quickly.
So
again,
this
is
not
to
exceed,
and
then
it
would
also
fall
into
budgets
for
pre
or
for
future
years
as
well
too.
So
it'd
be
up
to
the
boards
at
those
at
those
times
to
allocate
funds
even
to
fulfill
this
in
this
City's
budget.
D
H
I,
too
think
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
lot
of
money.
I
didn't
know
we
had
that
many
fences
you
made
mention
that
contract
is
installed
and
if
they
install
it
incorrectly,
it
doesn't
last
do
we
have
any
warranties
when
they
do
an
installation
and
if
they
do
aren't
they
responsible
for
their
installation.
S
H
H
Well,
the
the
question
is:
is
there
any
major
project
that
we're
going
to
utilize
this
300
000
for,
or
is
this
just
to
keep
on
hand.
S
It's
a
little
bit
of
both
it's
budgeted
projects
for
fencing
all
around
the
city,
and
then
it's
also
for
replacing
mechanics
of
the
fences
that
goes
along.
H
Right
but
when
you
say
around
the
city
what
I
wrote
here,
it
seems
like
a
lot
for
no
facts:
That's
So,
when
you
say
a
lot
around
the
city,
I,
don't
know
exactly
where
you
mean.
That's.
Why
I'm
asking?
If
there's
anything
specific,
are
we
replacing
the
cicada
we
you
know:
do
we
have
a
projects
in
mind
that
we're
putting
this
300
000
towards.
J
H
I
still
would
like
to
know
what
we're
going
to
utilize
it,
for
you
know,
do
we
have
a
list
of
of
what
mechanical
gates
are
not
working.
H
H
It
just
seems
like
a
lot
a
lot
of
money
for
with
with
no
facts
of
where
it's
going
to
go.
A
This
this
is
a
either
300.
000
is
a
cap,
yes,
and
it's
and
it's
basically
something
like
a
a
repair
fund
and
whatever
else
is
needed,
so
we're
not
spending
the
300
000,
but
the
contract
with
this
particular
purveyor.
The
county
purveyor,
would
be
up
to
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
then
it
could
be
a
lot
less
than
that
on
a
particular
year
could
be.
You
know,
in
other
words,
over
the
five-year
period.
We'd
anticipate
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
on
an
annual
basis
it
could
be
a
lot
less
than
that.
Q
A
Answer
your
question
can,
as
far
as
the
actual
the
actual
budget
shows
what
the
the
repairs
are
going
to
be
made
out
of
each
department
for
fencing.
So
the
answer
to
that
should
be
in
the
budget.
I
would
suspect
in
the
workup
to
the
budget
that
we
did.
There
would
be
specific
tasks
that
would
be
done
for
the
budget
amount.
Maybe
you
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more
right
now.
As
far.
A
J
One
to
pull
out
of
his
head,
he
remains.
G
X
G
S
H
X
A
Was
that
no.
E
H
Just
still
doesn't
answer
my
question
and
I
I
feel
strange
going
forward,
not
knowing
where
this
300
I
know
it's
not
being
spent.
Believe
me,
I
know
this
is
just
you
know,
put
asides
that
you
can
contract
off
of
it,
but
I
still
don't
know
where
you're,
where
you're
using
the
300
000
for
and
you
know
we
don't
have
any
sisler
field
project
going.
H
I
know
we're
looking
to
do
something
in
Riverside
on
the
tennis
courts,
but
that's
separate
from
what
I
understand
that
was
a
separate
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
with
you
know
the
courts
and
everything
so
I,
don't
know
of
any
major
project
that
we
need
to
have
that
amount
of
money,
or
you
know,
put
aside
for
that's
or
is
it
you
know
what
what
automatic
gate
is
opening
that
that
needs
to
be
replaced?
Are
there
any
of
them
broken
now.
J
Can
I
ask
Janina
maybe
to
explain?
What's
the
difference
is
if
we
just
bring
these
forward
every
6D,
every
40,
every
30
000,
and
we
just
bring
them
forward
and
do
it
or
the
advantage
that
we
have
of
doing
a
a
contract
like
this?
Maybe
that
helps
of
why
we're
not
just
bringing
these
costs
if
they're
above
the
amount
of
the
commission
has
to
sign
off
on
then
it
goes
to
the
commission
every
meeting
that
happens.
S
Well,
the
first
part
to
commissioner
eisner's
question
about
the
gate.
Operators.
We
just
did
a
cemetery
gate
for
ten
thousand
I
can
tell
you
the
the
total
cost
for
the
the
opening
and
closing
whatever
that
mechanism
is,
we
just
did
a
purchase.
That
alone
was
10
grand,
that's
not
even
fencing
or
anything.
That's
the
pieces,
the
parts,
the
installation,
removal
of
the
old
pieces
so
that
that's
that
part
and
we
have
several
of
those
type
of
gates
that
are
in
the
city
like
wastewater
treatment
plant
the
oral
plant.
S
Several
of
these
have
those
types
of
operations
and
they're
quite
expensive
to
maintain
and
the
fact
that
we
use
we
try
to
use
these
type
of
contracts.
One
is
that
the
pricing
is
a
little
more
set
because
it's
over
a
longer
term
and
when
we
see
a
trend
that
departments
keep
coming
to
us
with
these
onesie
twosies
purchases
that
need
to
come
to
you.
We
try
to
consolidate
and
make
it
like
a
city-wide
program
so
that
we
can
make
it
just
one
big
purchase
towards
the
board
for
approval.
H
I,
don't
want
to
argue
the
point
I'm,
you
know
what
happens
is
we
do
approve
large
items
like
this,
but
it
doesn't
matter
it
comes
to
before
us
and
85
000
turns
into
130
000,
so
they
do
come
in
as
as
add-ons
anyway.
So
that's
why
I?
Just
you
know,
I
I,
don't
follow
the
thinking
unless
you
were
going
to
come
in
and
tell
me
that
you
have
15
of
those
10,
thousands
that
need
to
be
replaced
and
the
rest
is
going
to
be
utilized.
H
For
you
know,
items
in
and
around
the
city,
I
just
feel
uncomfortable
signing
off
on
three
hundred
thousand
dollars.
That's
just
me
my
I'm
I'm,
a
steward
of
the
residence
money
and
I
I.
Just
you
know
we
just
we
just
agreed
to
400
somewhat
four
hundred
twenty
thousand
dollars
for
the
cemetery
thing
and
you
know
I'm
sure
we
all
I
know
what
it
why
it
is.
It's
so
expensive
this
one
I,
don't
understand
why
it's
so
expensive,
I,
just
don't
so
I
mean
and
that's
exactly
what
I
wrote.
H
H
I
I.
You
know
what
I
I
know
that
contractors
like
to
have
that
there
it
helps
when
they
make
their
bids.
So
when
you
know
when
I
know
what
I'm
able
to
bid
for
you
know
and
I'm
trying
to
concave,
you
know
conserve
and
save
the
residence
funds,
not
just
sit
and
spend
it.
So
unless
I
know
what
I'm
agreeing
to
here
or
what
for
I'm,
not
comfortable
with
it
and
I
may
be
out
voted
but.
A
I
Commissioneros,
thank
you
mayor
Janina,
this
300
000
that's
going
to
be
for
the
next
four
years.
It's
about
75
grand
a
year.
We
just
verified
that
the
Riverside
field
alone,
just
the
three
sides
to
connect
that
was
about
sixty
thousand
dollars
this.
This
doesn't
is
this
all
metal
fencing?
Is
it
vinyl,
fencing,
included
plastic
fencing?
Is
it
just
limited
to
one
type
of
fencing?
No.
S
I
Okay,
and
with
that
that
means
any
building
any
city-owned
building
that
made
new
fencing
any
retention
Pond
that
may
need
to
do
fencing
any
lift
station
that
may
need
fencing.
The
city
staff
can
go
ahead
and
purchase
to
fix
those
all
with
included
within
that
300
000
for
the
next
four
years.
Yeah.
I
Okay,
so
I
think
that
that
gives
me
a
better
understanding
of
what
it's
not
only
limited
to
when
it
comes
to
the
fencing
and
what
areas
of
our
city
I
just
I'm
willing
to
support
it,
and
that
way,
as
budget
season
comes
around,
we
do
have
that
priority
list
where
we
see
certain
areas
and
stuff
that
need
to
be
fixed
and,
let's,
let's
save
staff,
just
try
to
you
know
address
in
a
priority
manner
of
what
needs
to
be
fixed
from
year
to
year.
I
A
You
all
all
right,
Ms
Lewis,
let
me
well,
let
me
go
to
vice
mayor
londi's
got
the
light
on.
Do
you
have
another
question?
I'm
sorry,
did
you
have
another
question?
Oh
no.
That
was
from.
H
Eisner.
Thank
you.
Yes,
thank
you
ma'am.
So
it
has
here
that
in
June
22nd
21
there
was
a
contract
written
for
five-year
period,
so
that
should
hold
us
to
26
correct
yes,
okay,
so
over
here
on
the
recommendation.
It
has
that
that
there
is
a
new
contract
to
June
21
26
and
its
estimated
annual
amount
not
to
exceed
300
000.
So
you're
kind
of
asking
for
300
000
per
year
is
what
it's
written.
H
S
D
Yeah,
just
a
quick
comment
on
my
side:
I
mean
it's
a
significant
amount
of
money.
I
100
agree
when
you
talk
about
the
life
of
the
agreement,
but
if
you
go
back
to
the
the
last
sentence
of
purchase,
orders
will
only
be
issued
against
approved
budgets
and
it
goes
back
to
what
was
approved
in
the
budget.
D
The
many
hours
I've
spent
on
the
budgets
I
mean,
if
you
want
procurement,
to
start
getting
more
granular
and
saying
twenty
thousand
dollars
at
a
time
for
these
blanket
POS,
the
blanket
PO
is
there
it's
common
for
blanket
POs
to
be
issued
in
the
purchasing
Realm.
D
It's
not
realistic
to
go
up
to
that
amount
and
Janina.
If
you
could
I
mean
Smith's,
is
not
a
requirement
to
use
Smith's
if
they
come
back
with
a
bid.
That's
outrageous!
You
could
go
and
say
well
forget
this
we're
going
to
go
out
and
bid
this
three
bids
or
four
bids
and
RFP
it
and
see
what
comes
back,
I'm
understanding
that
correctly.
D
So
this
allows
the
city
to
move
forward
on
the
operations
doesn't
hold
up
to
operations
again.
It
just
goes
back
to
the
board
as
our
board
that
we
set
on
we've
already
approved
the
fencing
projects
and
the
budget
that
potentially
could
change.
But
that's
where
it
stands
so
I
mean
blanket.
Pos
are
common
and
it's
it's
you'll
see
more
and
more
of
these,
as
you
said,
on
the
board
longer
longer,
that's
it.
G
You
want
1.2
million
dollars
assigned
to
a
contract
that
the
county
can
pick
up
so
much,
but
any
other
Cooperative
participants
are
are
delayed
to
2.6
million
dollars
and
it
is
it
even
likely
that
you're
going
to
be
able
to
spend
1.2
million
dollars
on
this.
How
many
other
people
are
going
to
be
cooperative
on
Pinellas,
County's,
contract
or
Tampa's
contract?
I'm
sorry
did.
A
H
Back
to
me,
thank
you.
Thank
you
mayor,
so
I
appreciate
what
you
said,
commissioner,
Carr,
about
that.
Many
of
these
things
will
be
coming
before
us,
but
with
that
type
of
thinking,
then
I
should
be
able
to
sign
off
on
every
every
Pro
and
I'm
going
to
just
say
it.
This
way
every
proposal
should
come
in
and
say:
let's
ask
for
a
half
a
million
dollars.
We
sign
off
on
it
and
then,
as
you
need
it,
will
you
give
us
a
budget
to
approve
for
each
one.
A
Miss
Lewis,
if
you
can
help
me
out
a
little
bit
I
understand
what
the
contract
is.
If
we
could
run
through
a
scenario
involving
Riverside,
we
we
have
that
budgeted
this
year
when
it
comes
time
to
actually
do
the
repair
and
this
contract
is
in
place.
Does
that
item
come
back
to
the
commission
for
approval.
J
I
just
think,
there's
too
much
in
Comfort
with
this
item
to
you
know:
either
we
regroup
and
bring
back
further
information,
or
we
look
for
another
option
because
there's
just
too
much
discomfort
to
even
go
and
there's
a
three
two
there's
too
much
discomfort.
A
J
A
Lewis,
thank
you
very
much
for
this
and
and
I
think
that
the
city
manager
probably
has
to
have
a
conversation
with
some
of
the
Commissioners
this
evening.
I'll
talk
to
them
as
well,
but
I
I
know
how
much
work
you
put
into
these
sort
of
things.
I
very
much
appreciate.
J
A
Guy
I
understand
I,
understand
so
yeah
and
I
encourage
the
commission
to
talk
to
the
city
manager
ahead
of
time
for
these
sort
of
things
as
well.
So
I'd
like
to
have
a
motion
to
table
this
item
and
then
motion
the
table.
Second
is.
D
G
A
Okay,
so
that
was
the
the
fencing
number
10
I
guess
is
we're
going
to.
These
are
a
little
more
complicated
item
award
file,
number
job
order,
Contracting
Services,
utilizing
Source
World
invitation
for
bid,
ezlqc
construction
contracts
in
the
State
of
Florida
City
management
course.
S
Procurement
service
director,
so
basically
these
these
10
I
think
it's
10
and
11
are
kind
of
similar
items.
They
are
utilizing
two
different
contracts.
This
is
called
job
order,
Contracting
and
it's
basically
a
fixed
price,
competitively
bid,
idiq
contract
and
we're
asking
to
utilize,
sourcewell
and
Pinellas
County
for
these
particular
contracts.
This
evening,
I
have
a
representative
to
kind
of
explain
the
job
order
Contracting
and
what
it
is
and
I'd
like
to
bring
up
Kevin
antwix
and
let
him
kind
of
run
through
his
program
and
then
I'll
come
back
for
questioning.
AA
AA
That's
been
in
use
here
in
Florida
and
around
the
country
for
going
on
32
years
now,
and
it's
proven
to
be
a
pretty
effective
Tool
to
be
able
to
procure
really
any
type
of
renovation,
repair
or
straight
up
construction
project
using
as
Gina
said,
these
fixed
price
contracts
that
have
already
been
competitively
bid
and
awarded
so
I
have
a
couple
slides
here:
I'll
go
through
pretty
quickly
for
you
try
and
leave
plenty
of
time
for
questions,
but
job
order.
AA
Contracting,
as
I
mentioned
it's
been
around
for
a
number
of
years,
and
it's
based
on
a
single
contract
of
indefinite
quantity,
indefinite
value,
ID
IQ,
and
that
contract
is
tied
to
a
very
large,
extensive
catalog
of
installed
pricing
for
specified
construction
tasks.
We've
referred
to
it
as
a
construction
task,
catalog
or
a
CTC
today.
That
CTT
is
about
maybe
4
000
pages
of
of
pre-configured
line
items
and
it
uses
the
labor
material
and
Equipment
cost
that's
based
on
localized
or
regionalized
pricing.
AA
So,
just
as
a
quick
piece
of
background
gordian,
we
are
a
Construction
Consulting
and
management
company.
We
are
not
a
kind
contractor
contractors
do
not
work
for
us.
We
don't
work
for
contractors.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
work
for
public
agencies
such
as
a
source
well
such
as
Pinellas
County
such
as
the
city
of
Tampa.
AA
That
wishes
to
have
a
job
order
Contracting
program,
so
one
of
the
our
core
functions
as
a
company
is
the
continuous
collection
of
this
construction
cost
data
for
labor
and
materials
which
we
collect
from
every
nook
and
cranny
of
the
country
and
we're
constantly
updating
these
construction
tasks
catalogs.
So,
basically
the
catalog
gets
created.
It
gets
solicited
put
out
to
bid
by
a
particular
public
agency.
Again
it
could
be
a
purchasing
Cooperative
such
as
a
source.
Well,
it
could
be
an
individual
public
agency
such
as
Pinellas
County,
it's
put
out
on
the
street.
AA
There's
a
competitive
bid,
an
award
that
that
takes
place.
Contractors
are
bidding
a
single
markup
against
that
entire
catalog.
That
markup
must
include
all
of
their
profit,
all
of
their
overhead.
Everything
must
go
into
that
markup.
So
it's
a
very
competitive
process.
It
introduces
a
much
larger
economy
of
scale
into
the
bidding
process
and
it
does
definitely
encourage
more
more
competitive
bidding.
AA
The
results
of
this
process
is
now
you
have
this
pool
or
multiple
pools
of
awarded
contractors
that
have
already
agreed
to
do
the
work
based
on
the
pricing
that
was
awarded
to
them
in
the
catalog
and
now
agencies
can
proceed
to
identify
projects
where
they
wish
to
receive
a
proposal.
Select
a
contractor,
walk
a
job,
receive
a
proposal
and
then
try
and
collaboratively
work
through
that
proposal
to
come
up
with
a
solution.
AA
That's
going
to
meet
your
budget
and
your
scope
objectives
right
once
you
get
to
that
point,
and
you
have
a
proposal
that
you
wish
to
proceed
with
now,
since
it's
already
been
competitively,
Biden
awarded
meets
all
the
you
know,
statutes
and
legal
criteria
in
the
State
of
Florida
for
competitive
bidding.
You
can
proceed
to
start
that
project
by
issuing
your
standard
po,
your
standard
Construction
contract
directly
to
the
contractor
kind
of
what
are
what
is
the
value
of
all
this
pretty?
AA
Clearly,
it's
going
to
save
you
the
time
and
the
effort
of
having
to
go
out
and
do
a
separate
RFP
for
each
individual
project
and,
as
the
next
slide
is
going
to
point
out
at
the
end
of
the
day.
This
is
not
the
right
solution
for
every
project.
There's
going
to
be
times
when
it
makes
sense
times
when
it
doesn't
make
sense,
you'll
be
able
to
get
those
proposals
and
then
decide
for
yourself.
You
know
if
it
makes
sense
to
proceed
or
not.
It
also
gives
you
access
to
fixed
pricing.
AA
So
in
today's
world,
as
as
I'm
sure
your
experience
has
been
the
last
18
months
to
two
years,
Construction
Construction
pricing
has
been
very
volatile.
It's
been
very
difficult
to
procure
this
type
of
thing,
because
what
makes
sense
today,
you
can't
procure
with
it
three
six
months
from
now
right.
So
what
this
gives
you
is
the
ability
to
use
pricing,
that's
fixed
for
each
one-year
term
of
the
contract
and
it
and
it
provides
more
stability
to
your
procurement
process.
So
you
don't
have
contractors
coming
back.
AA
AA
So,
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
a
program.
It's
it's
here
for
you
to
use
it
when
it
makes
sense
and
don't
use
it
when
it
doesn't
make
sense.
There
certainly
is
no
cost
or
obligation
to
walk
jobs,
receive
proposals,
so
there's
literally
no
risk
to
getting
proposals
through
these
contracts.
AA
So
again
it's
it's
a
it's
a
tool
in
your
toolbox
to
procure
with.
You
can
use
it
along
with
the
way
you
procure
today
it
can
work
in
in
whoops.
Let
me
go
back
there,
so
it
can
work
in
cases
where
you
have
time
constraints.
AA
You
know
a
lot
of
times.
You
have
grant
money,
for
example,
that
you
have
to
use
in
a
certain
amount
of
time
or
you're
going
to
lose
it.
You
know.
AA
Agencies
often
use
job
order
Contracting
in
that
case,
because
they
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
able
to
you
know,
use
that
money
in
in
time
and
they
can
compress
the
procurement
time
by
using
job
order,
Contracting
so
time
sensitive
projects,
you
know
straightforward
new
construction
again,
like
I,
said
renovation
repairs,
it
could
be
above
ground,
it
could
be
underground,
anything
that
involves
labor
materials
or
just
the
labor.
What
you
cannot
do
is
procure
only
materials
through
this
program.
AA
AA
It's
just
a
quick
snapshot
of
the
construction
task.
Catalog
I,
don't
have
to
get
into
any
type
of
detail
here,
but
it
utilizes
CSI
format.
It's.
This
is
a
very
transparent
and
granular
process.
It
was
designed
for
government
to
use
it
is
used
by
dozens
of
agencies
all
around
the
state,
as
well
as
all
around
the
rest
of
the
country,
and
this
format
is
a
pretty
widely
accepted.
But,
as
you
can
see,
all
the
costs
are
broken
down
in
the
catalog
in
terms
of
labor
materials
that
go
into
that
pre-configured.
AA
That
line
item
that
construction
task
so
I
don't
know
so.
Here's
the
five-step
process
to
use
the
the
the
contracts
as
I
mentioned,
you
would
identify
a
job.
You
would
schedule
a
joint
scope.
Meeting
actually
gordian
would
schedule
that
joint
scope
meeting
with
the
contractor
and
someone
from
from
the
city,
your
PM
or
whoever
is
going
to
be
involved
in
that
project.
We'd
walk
that
job
and
from
there
the
contractor
would
be
creating
a
detailed
scope
of
work
and
a
line
item
price
proposal
gordian.
AA
AA
Once
that
proposal
is
finished
and
the
scope
is
finished
we
get
together,
we
review
it
with
the
city.
Go
through
any
questions.
Go
through
all
the
line
items
you
at
that
point
can
make
any
changes
you
wish
to
to
make
to
the
scope
to
the
proposal
you
can
choose
to
reject
it,
accept
it
whatever
the
case
may
be.
The
good
news
is
at
the
end.
Again,
you
don't
have
to
go
out
to
RFP
for
that
project.
You
can
proceed
to.
AA
You
know
start
the
project
by
issuing
your
PO
and
your
contract
to
the
contractor.
So
I
guess
the
next
couple
of
slides
are
the
contracts
that
are
available
through
purchasing
cooperatives
that
you
can
use.
I
mentioned
Pinellas
County.
The
county
has
had
a
program
that
gordian
first
put
into
place.
I
think
it
was
2007
that
today
includes
contracts
and
contractors
that
were
awarded
for
the
real
estate
department
and
their
utilities
department
that
you
can
use
again
to
walk
jobs
and
receive
proposals.
AA
These
are
predominantly
local
contractors
in
the
General
Pinellas
Hillsboro
area
and
then
the
other
contracts
that
are
available
on
a
Cooperative
basis
are
through
Source,
well,
which
you
may
have
heard
of
before.
But
sourcewell
is
a
national
purchasing,
Cooperative
no
I
hitting
the
wrong.
Oh,
this.
AA
Okay,
so
Source
well
when
they
bid
their
contracts
out,
they
divided
the
state
up
into
10
regions.
That
way,
each
region
of
the
state
has
its
own
catalog
and
its
own.
You
know
set
of
pricing,
and
you
can
see
here.
You
have
General
Contractors
civil
Contractors,
HVAC
Mechanical
Contractors
Paving
asphalt
Roofing,
so
you
have
really
all
types
of
different
contractors
there
that
you
can
use
to
walk
jobs
and
receive
proposals.
So
that's
the
information
that
I
brought
to
present
to
you
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have:
okay,.
S
A
V
O
To
butcher
it
you.
G
Mentioned
that
the
the
the
ctcs
were
updated
once
a
year
per
contract,
correct
okay,
so
if
so,
that's
on
the
anniversary
day
of
that
specific
contract
with
Source
well
or
Pinellas,
County
or
anything
so,
prices
remain
at
least
there's
a
price
in
the
catalogs
remains
static
for
that
one
year
and.
G
Okay,
so
do
the
contractors
file
with
you
specific,
specific
factors
every
every
year
as
well.
O
AA
Factors
are
Bid
the
first
time
and
then
at
the
end
of
each
contract
year,
the
factors
are
adjusted
based
on
the
construction
cost
index.
So
if
the
CCI
has
moved
two
and
a
half
percent
or
three
percent,
whatever
the
index
has
moved,
then
that's
what
the
factors
are
subject
to
being.
G
Adjusted
my
original
factor
on
a
I
don't
know
a
non-secure
normal
work.
Our
thing
was
was
1.2
and
the
CCI
went
up
three
points
that
year
that
the
next
year
would
automatically
be
adjusted
to
1.3,
say.
AA
So
there
is
a
mechanism
that
exists
in
the
case
where
there's
very,
very
large
increases.
So
like
as
an
example.
Last
year
we
saw
Lumber
go
up
to
300
percent.
AA
AA
Exciting
right,
so
what
we
did
last
year
in
that
in
that
situation,
was
the
contractors
would
come
to
us
and
say
well,
hey,
you
know,
here's
the
price
for
this.
This
Lumber
is,
you
know,
paying
15
a
square
foot
and
my
price
on
the
market
is
forty
dollars
a
square
foot
right
now,
I
can't
you
know
what
do
you
want
me
to
do?
I
can't
I,
can't
you.
Q
AA
If
they
came
to
us
and
said
hey
gordian,
it's
gone
up,
15
percent,
you
know
we're
not
gonna
We're,
not
gonna.
Let
them
use
the
non-pre-priced
factor
for
that,
but
if
it's
something
severe
I
mean
we,
those
were
unusual
times.
You
know
that
we
were
dealing
with.
We
really
haven't
seen
anything
like
that
since,
like
2008,
you
know
those
types
of
fluctuations,
so
we're
we're
very
strict
with
that
type
of
thing
and
we
will
push
back.
G
With
this
specific
contract,
the
the
Factor
as
you
as
you
mentioned,
it
is
Bid
by
individual
contractors
for
so,
for
example,
the
Pinellas
contract
I,
don't
know
I
can't
remember
who
all
was
on
it,
but
calagisi
Etc,
but
a
specific
factor
in
that
factor
holds
for
separate
categories
that
are
under
that
factor.
G
Okay,
so
let's
talk
about
the
factor
itself,
the
factor
that
that
the
the
contractor
adds
to
the
fixed
price
index.
Well,
actually,
let
me,
let's
start
at
the
fixed
prices.
You
you.
Where
do
you
get
your
pricing.
O
AA
G
G
O
G
Okay,
well,
that's
interesting
and
that's
a
proprietary
catalog.
Is
it
not.
AA
AA
Anybody
that
wants
to
see
it,
you
just
have
to
request
it.
We
we
provide
it
all
right.
It's
a
very
large
document
so
well.
G
Right,
okay,
so
moving
on
from
this,
not
proprietary
I
thought
it
was
proprietary,
but
it's
not
proprietary
and
it's
open
to
the
public.
You
guys
hide
it
pretty!
Well,
because
I
do
my
research
and
I
couldn't
find
it
within
the
contractors.
Factor.
The
contractor's
factor
is
what
he
expects
to
earn
for
profit
over
just
whatever
else,
plus
a
factor
that
he
pays.
The
guardian
right.
O
AA
G
For
the
contractor
pays
gordian
with
Source
well,
if
you're
looking
at
a
dollar
and
pronounce
you're
looking
at
a
dollar,
if
we
just
look
at
non-sec
normal
worth
hours,
factors
they're,
they're,
pretty
comparable
with
Pinellas,
there's
an
extra
line
item
for
the
contractor
gordian
fee
and
for
the
source
well
contract
and
for
the
Pinellas
contract.
There
would
still
be
a
fee
to
the
city
for.
O
AA
AA
Q
G
Contracts
or
maybe
it
was
explanation
from
Gina-
there
is
no
license
fee
period
using
either
contract
for
the
city
to
pay
directly
to
gordian.
There's
no
license
add-on,
B,
correct,
that's
cool,
so
whatever
pricing
we
get
from
from
the
source
wall
contract
that
that
fee
is
already
embodied
within
that
and
and
is
encompassed
in
the
the
markup
for
the
contractor
correct.
AA
G
Correct,
okay!
So
well
that
changes
some
of
my
comments
at
this
point
so
that
fee,
typically
at
least
in
the
Pinellas
contract,
is
an
additional
6.5
percent
over
the
six.
G
A
quarter
percent
over
the
over
the
factor
that
the
contractor
gives
you
in
the
source
wall
contract
there
wouldn't
be
an
additional.
It
would
be
just
whatever
the
it's.
AA
The
fact
and
I
can
tell
you
it's
on
Source.
Well,
it's
six
percent,
but
again
it's
it's
built
into
the
factor
itself.
Yeah.
G
So
it's
still
in
there
and
Source
Wells
Factor
stuff
is
the
is
the
pricing
between
Pinellas
as
far
as
the
CTC
different
than
the
one
source
well
uses?
It's.
AA
It's
a
little
bit
different,
but
it's
very
similar
because
the
the
CTC
that
was
developed
for
Pinellas
is
based
on
Pinellas
County
costs,
whereas
the
CTC
that
was
developed
for
Source
well
encompasses
not
only
Pinellas
County,
but
Hillsborough
County
Pasco
County,
it's
a
little
bit
larger
area,
but
it's
very
you
know
it's
pretty
similar.
Okay,.
G
So
they're
pretty
too
yeah
I
did
some
averaging
and
I
thought
they
were
like.
Maybe
one
or
two
percent
apart
I
don't
know.
Okay,
that's
about
all
the
comments
I
have
for
you,
then.
Thank
you
very
much
for.
Q
G
Patient
with
me,
I
have
some
comments
for
Janine,
though
or
Janina
though
so
I
I've
kind
of
lost,
my
places
to
which
ones
we're
discussing.
Is
this
you're
looking
to
award
2
million
or
two
and
a
half
million.
S
There
are
two
contracts,
so
the
first
one
is
two
million
for
utilizing
the
source
wealth
with
the
state
of
Florida
contractors,
and
that
is
basically
a
lot
of
the
I'm,
probably
going
to
get
the
terminology
wrong.
But
like
your
hard
structures
above
ground,
the
Pinellas
County
contract
is
more
of
the
utilities
types
which
is
more
expensive,
because
that's
your
water
line,
sewage,
Forest,
main
lift
stations,
those
type
of
items
we've
been
out
in
the
past
and
they
tend
to
run
a
little
bit
higher
for
project
wise.
G
So,
with
both
contracts
for
within
approximate
6.5
percent
uplift,
not
considering
the
difference
between
various
contractors
and
their
factors,
which
say,
I
need
more
money
or
or
whatever
my
costs
are
higher,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
We're
talking
close
to
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
just
for
convenience
of
using
this
contract.
S
Contract
is
one
that
those
prices
are
set.
Two
we're
looking
at
different.
Like
administrative
purposes,
you
know
an
administrative
contract
just
on
our
part
alone
is
five
hundred
dollars.
You
know
with
every
piece
of
paper
and
every
person
that
touches
that
contract,
so
we're
looking
at
more
of
a
an
option
that
we
can
get
to
the
project
faster
and
it's
a
qualified
vendor
who's
already
been
pre-approved.
Z
For
the
betterment
of
building
our
infrastructure,
I
want
to
add,
there's
some
avoided
costs
with
this
whole
thing,
and
that
is
when
you're
preparing
bidding
documents
all
that
work,
we're
usually
paying
Engineers
to
do.
You
could
easily
get
up
into
that
200
000
range
easily
or
more
for
just
a
couple
of
big
projects.
If
you
have
to
go
through
that
whole
bidding
process
preparing
that.
So
this
offers
a
more
streamlined
approach,
so
you
can
avoid
I,
won't
say
all
of
those
costs,
but
a
majority
of
them.
Q
T
D
Yeah
I,
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
comments
about
this
I
think
it's
another
tool
and
a
toolkit
for
the
procurement
Department.
Yes,
there's
markup
to
it,
but
then
you've
also
have
some
professionals
who
are
pressing
these
individuals
for
pricing
and
marketing
the
current
environment.
One
of
the
issues
that
I
don't
know
if
it
was
discussed
or
not
is
actually
just
getting
bids
in
general.
D
Is
it
a
difficult
thing
right
now
in
the
current
environment,
with
the
building
and
where
we're
at,
and
it
could
be
small
projects
or
large
projects,
and
we
may
only
get
one
or
two
bids
in
the
current
environment
so
with
this
opportunity,
there's
multiple
vendors
here
to
bid
on
a
project
based
on
a
fixed
based
on
the
fixed
at
the
fixed
pricing.
So
we
could.
We
could
select
one
contractor
or
vanilla
contractor.
D
If
we
don't
like
the
contractor
in
the
past
work,
we
could
go
with
another
contractor
again
if
the
city
wanted
to
bid
out
and
go
just
an
RFP
like
the
clerk's
office,
for
example,
or
something
large
that
could
happen
too,
but
I
think
it's
just
another
tool.
Another
opportunity
for
the
procurement
department
and
the
city
staff
to
get
stuff
done
quicker
and
that's
one
of
the
things
I
think
that
the
board
has
been
looking
for
in
the
past
and
currently
is
looking
to
continue
to
see
projects
move
forward
in
a
timely
fashion.
H
Thank
you,
mayor
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
I
love
the
idea
so
but
I
do
have
some
questions
to
ask
regarding
it,
because
I
did
agree
with
what
you
said:
Paul
about
the
speed
and
and
the
costs
of
this.
So
would
this
be
similar
to
an
Xactimate
program,
type
thing
if
you're
familiar
with
that
at
all.
H
H
So
if,
if
that's
so
now
that
you
understand
so
that's
the
way,
this
seems
to
be
unless
it's
an
unorthodox
type
of
unique
project,
I'm
sure
when
you
have
4,
000
or
more
items
in
there,
it
incorporates
most
of
the
things
that
you
need:
you're
not
going
to
build
the
school
out
of
this
type
thing.
That
would
be
a
little
difficult
to
do.
H
S
H
H
AA
No,
we
don't
have
any
dues
again.
We
we
have.
We
have
a
fee
that
is
built
in
either
built
into
the
factor
that
the
contractor
is
bidding,
or
it's
broken
out
as
a
separate
line
item
in
the
proposal,
but
it's
paid
to
us.
You
know
it's
distributed,
To
Us
by
the
contractor
once
they
get
paid.
So
it
allows
you
to
use
this
whole
programming
process
without
having
to
hire
gordian
or
pay
us
directly.
AA
You
know
I'm
okay,
Vaguely
Familiar
with
Angie,
but
yeah
I.
Think
it's
probably
something
similar
to
that.
Okay,.
H
What
happens
if
the
contractor
takes
a
job
on,
and
there
is
extenuating
circumstances
once
they've
agreed
to
it,
such
as
finding
mold?
Is
there
a
supplemental
that
comes
into
play?
Yes,.
AA
So
we
do
have
a
process
for
change.
Orders
is
actually
called
a
supplemental.
You
have
to
be
able
to
do
that
in
construction
right.
AA
So,
if
there
was
a
need
to,
you
know
have
something
else
done
on
the
project:
there'd
be
a
separate
scope
of
work
that
would
be
created
for
your
approval
and
then
based
on
that
scope
of
work
you'd
receive
that
supplemental.
You
know
that
that
would
be
associated
with
that.
With
that
scope.
AA
So
we
do
have
a
a
it's
called
a
non-pre-priced
line
item,
and
so
what
that
does
is
that
allows
the
contractor
to
go
out
and
get
as
many
as
three
quotes
for
something
depending
on
how
unique
it
is
and
then
insert
that
into
the
proposal
using
that
non-pre-priced
line
item
using
the
lowest
you
know
of
the
three
quotes.
Sometimes
it
could
be
something
that's
very
unique
like
let's
say
the
city
says:
oh
well,
we
only
use
train,
you
know
HVAC
units,
the
contractor
could
go
to
the
train.
AA
Factory
get
a
quote
from
train
and
then
put
that
into
the
proposal.
We
do
limit
those
non-pre-priced
line
items
rather
strenuously
because
it
does
dilute
the
whole.
You
know
fact
that
everything's
been
bid
out,
but
there
is
a
mechanism
to
add
things
that
are
not
in
the
catalog.
H
H
S
Up
to
thirty
thousand,
luckily
we
bit
it
out
and
it
came
in
under
25,
but
for
a
project
like
that
that
that's
a
small
building
relatively
it's
just
tile,
you
know
pipe
plumbing
and
paint
so
projects
similar
to
that
I,
wouldn't
consider
some
of
the
utilities
and
I'll
have
to
refer
to
Paul
for
that
for
size.
What
you
consider
small,
because.
D
S
H
S
I
looked
at
the
list
when
we
popped
it
up
so
I
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I
could
double
check
and
see.
If
I
know
fencing
is
in
their
construction
task
catalog
but
I
don't
know
if
any
of
these
particular
contractors
provide
that.
H
Had
to
ask
it:
I'm
sorry:
okay,
I
I
have
no
further
questions.
I
love
the
idea
I
understand
exactly
how
this
would
speed
things
up
and
as
long
as
we
have
an
oversee,
you
know,
oversight
on
it
and
I
I'm
I'm,
all
for
it.
I.
S
H
S
S
S
H
Contractors
love
this
too.
You
know
it
is
not
just
a
good
on
the
on
the
the
person
who's
contracted.
You
know,
I
should
say
not
the
on
the
contractor
themselves
because
they
know
what
the
pricing
is.
They
know
what
they're
going
to
make
unless
you
have
price
gouging
or
you
know
massive
inflation.
You
know
everybody
there's
less
fighting
on
this,
so
I'm
all
for
it
every
which
way
to
Sunday.
Thank
you.
I
Just
looking
at
another
process
to
procurement
and
of
the
representative
from
Gordon,
so
you
will
be
somewhat
the
mediator
overlooking
to
see
that
our
city,
Tarpon
Springs,
is
getting
the
best
deal
and
being
taken
care
of,
and
are
you
supposed
to
look
out
for
the
city's
best
interests,
as
well
as
the
contractor
or,
more
importantly,
the
city.
We're.
I
AA
Mean
the
contractor
is
an
important
you
know
business
partner,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
under
contract
with
Pinellas
County
we're
under
contract
resource.
Well,
so
you
as
a
member
of
source
well
or
as
a
you
know,
user
of
the
Pinellas
County
program
are
really
you.
Are
our
customer
really
working
for
you.
I
H
S
AA
S
AA
I'll
say
about
that,
is
you
know
we
are
not
providing
a
formal
construction,
Management
Service
off
the
shelf,
although
we
can
do
that
on
a
case-by-case
basis
if
the
city
desires
it
on
a
particular
project,
but
we
stay
involved
after
that,
PO
is
issued.
We
are,
we
are
a
phone
call
away
if
there
ever
is
any
concern.
Anything.
That's
bothering
you
about
the
project
contractor,
you
know,
is
not
performing
anything
we're
always
here
where
we
can
come
and
intervene
on
your
behalf
and
try
and
resolve
things.
AA
You
know
the
contractor
is
going
to
be
under
contract
with
the
city.
So
if,
if
something
went
so
awry
that
you
needed
to
really
take
action,
it's
going
to
be
an
action
taken.
You
know
by
the
city,
but
we've
found
you
know,
situations
many
time
and
time
again
where,
where
we
are
able
to
to
come
in
and
get
things
because
the
thing
about
us
is
that
we're
managing
this
program
Statewide
and
in
you
know,
Nationwide
and
contractors-
do
not
want
to
get
into
a
situation
where
we're
not
bringing
them
any
more
projects.
A
Ms
Lewis
a
couple
of
things:
one
our
contract
with
whoever
would
be
in
Source
well,
would
be
our
contract.
Is
that
correct?
We
would
be
using
our
contract
or
somebody
else's
contract.
We.
S
A
As
far
as
the
performance,
for
example,
like
what
we
had
on
Gross
Avenue
I,
think
is
what
commissioner
is
getting
at.
What
would
happen
then?
Would
there
be
a
I
guess?
Is
there
a
requirement
that
all
these
contractors
are
bonded
as
well.
S
Q
AA
Only
what
you
require,
so,
if
you
have
a
project
where
you
want
the
contractor
to
you,
know
to
be
to
obtain
a
bond,
then
you
would
just
you
know,
make
that
part
of
your
requirement
up
front
and
they
would
we.
A
Okay,
the
other
question
I
has,
and
you
and
I
talked
about
it
with
Mr,
Smith
and
and
I'm
comfortable
with
everything
that's
been
provided
the
only
if
you
recall
we
had
a
conversation.
We
have
our
purchasing
guidelines
on
our
normal
method,
for
obtaining
Services
projects
and
and
brick
and
mortar
sort
of
things,
but
this
is
kind
of
a
new
animal
for
us
that
we
don't
have
any
kind
of
a
policy
in
place
or
any
kind
of
guidelines
and
I
I.
Remember
the
one
thing
that
was
this.
A
If
you
like
the
contractors
work,
you
can
ask
for
that
same
contractor
again
and
I
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
some
safeguards
in
terms
of
the
procurement
of
that
and
I
would
like
to
see
some
kind
of
I'm
going
to
support
this
tonight,
but
I
think
we
need
to
work
up
some
kind
of
a
policy.
We
don't
have
a
policy
for
this
type
of
animal,
whereas
we
have
a
policy
for
our
rfps
and
everything
else.
That
goes
along
with
that.
A
That's
the
only
thing-
and
there
may
be
some
other
jurisdictions
that
have
policies
in
place
that
cover
this,
and
we
could
pick
up
off
them.
We
don't
need
to
recreate
the
wheel,
but
at
some
point
within
a
reasonable
amount
of
time,
maybe
right
after
the
first
of
the
year
or
so
when
we
get
into
some
of
these
new
initiatives.
A
B
Q
A
Unit,
yes,
all
right,
the
next
one
is,
let
me
get
down
to
here.
A
Is
number
11
I
believe
is
that
correct
yeah
award
file,
number
230053-c-jail
job
order,
Contracting
Services,
utilizing
Pinellas
County
contract
bid,
number
21041,
cpplu
wastewater
treatment,
plant
weight
and
water
plant
maintenance,
minor
construction,
underground
utilities.
A
This
is
something
similar,
so
I'll.
Let
you
pick
it
up
from
there
is
that,
okay,
with.
J
S
So
specifically,
this
particular
item
is
covering
utilizing
the
Pinellas
County
Wastewater
and
water
treatment
jock
program,
and
what
that
encompasses
is
a
lot
of
the
underground
utilities,
water
mains,
Source,
Mains,
lift
stations,
basically
Pinellas
County
went
out
with
gordian
and
they
bit
out
their
own
job
contract,
and
this
is
the
result
of
that.
Z
A
similar
system
that
we
just
talked
about
before
so
I
don't
get
that
detail
again,
but
this
is
a
different
job
order,
contract
program
with
Pinellas
County
and
it's
specific
to
Water
and
Wastewater
utilities.
So
we've
got
several
CIP
projects
that
we
think
would
fit
very
well.
One
example
is
a
lift
station
reconstruction.
We
need
to
do
and
based
on
the
bidding
environment
right
now,
we're
really
not
excited
about
putting
something
like
that
out
to
bid.
Z
Z
One
other
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
each
project
that
you
put
out
to
get
a
proposal
on
you
know
we
have
the
ability
to
review
the
pricing
before
we
go
forward
with
it,
and
we've
got
a
good
feel
for
what
things
should
cost.
We
have
Engineers
estimates
on
our
utilities
project,
so
anything
that's
way
out
of
whack
with
that
would
bring
us
back
to
the
table
to
figure
out
what
else
we
could
do.
S
A
A
The
Mr
jump,
you
may
be
tied
up
with
the
lights,
but
are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
A
He's
back
here:
okay,
let's
continue
on
and
we'll
pick
up
on
that.
Let's
go
to
commissioner
comments.
Vice
mayor,
Lund.
G
I
have
no
further
comments.
Okay,.
D
S
H
Was
a
joke?
I
can't
help
myself.
Sometimes
I
have
no
comment.
This
this
again
is
is
very
similar
to
the
other
one.
As
long
as
we
have
the
option
to
use,
Source
will
or
go
outside
the
for
a
bid.
I
trust
your
judgment
on
that
Paul.
So
I
think
it's
another.
Just
great
idea
to
save
money.
E
I
A
I
B
Q
E
J
Go
ahead
and
start
on
that
this
is
something
that
was
talked
about,
probably
in
the
18
19
20
area.
We.
Finally,
as
a
city,
passed
a
resolution,
the
20s
April
27
2021,
to
put
in
for
this
money
to
to
be
on
the
suit
of
the
opioids
and
the
opioid
problems
they've
caused
people.
J
Combine
the
money
with
the
county
and
put
on
programs
that'd
be
the
advantages
to
the
citizens
throughout
Pinellas
County.
Again,
we've
got
the
police
chief
and
the
fire
chief
here
to
kind
of
talk
about
what
that
is
what
we're
asking
for
tonight.
This
is
the
agreement
again
most
of
the
Cities
I
know
of
the
clear
waters.
I
know
Safety
Harbor
past
the
past
Theirs
to
go
to
the
county.
Most
of
the
Cities
I
know
are,
are
put
into
the
county
and
there's
some
pretty
good
programs
being
put
together.
J
That
will
be
of
great
advantage
to
our
residents
and
the
pool
of
money
will
do
a
lot
more
in
our
residents
than
the
small
amount
of
money
that
we'd
have
to
come
up
with
the
program.
The
administrating
of
the
grants,
the
dealing
with
it
again
I've
got
the
two
Public
Safety
I'm
individuals,
who
can
talk
a
little
further
on
that
and
what
we're
asking
tonight
is
to
approve
this
agreement
and
approve
the
mayor
to
sign
it
with
the
county
to
to
send
this
money
as
it
comes
in
Ron.
Herring
is
also
here.
J
The
money
is
going
to
be
coming
in
as
they
make
more
sellables
I
think
they
just
settled
with
Walmart
or
something
they
just
and
that's
going
to
be.
Another
trickle
of
money
coming
in
so
Ron
Herring
is
here
to
talk
about
that
aspect.
If
you
need
him
to
talk
about
this,
but
again
this
is
to
to
to
sign
the
document.
Have
the
mayor
sign
the
document
and
forward
these
funds
to
the
county
for
County
right
programs
to
help
the
residents
of
the
city
and
the
other
Pinellas
County
cities.
A
E
U
Oh
Scott
young
fire
chief.
So
what
does
doing
by
giving
the
county
the
money?
We
think
it's
the
best
option,
because
we
we
think
it
would
be
better
served.
There's
a
couple
programs
that
EMS
is
doing
now
that
this
money
will
go
to
one
of
the
new
programs
starting
in
January.
U
There's
also
the
treatment
program
out
there
that
the
county
is
doing
so.
Our
paramedics,
when
they're
on
the
call
will
sit
there
and
automatically.
If
the
person
wants
treatment,
they
will
give
that
in
the
computer,
assign
them
a
treatment
program
so
when
they
get
out
of
the
hospital
they'll
go
right
to
a
treatment
program
so
that
money
will
go
there
for
this.
U
It's
just
a
way
to
help.
We
just
think
it's
a
better
use
of
the
money
to
combine
it
with
the
County's
resources.
K
I'd,
probably
just
also
add
that
you
know
currently
the
police
department
and
fire
department.
We
do
get
Narcan
provided
through
the
county
at
no
charge
to
us
on
the
city,
so
this
will
just
kind
of
help
to
supplement
that
was
asked
about
other
Avenues
throughout
the
county,
that
or
city
that
would
be
available
to
people.
The
health
department
in
the
city
has
free
Narcan
for
for
people
that
may
need
it
as
well,
and
that's
funded
through
the
county
as
well.
So
this
would
all
supplement
that.
K
For
the
police
and
fire
we
just
we
get
replenished
all
the
time
because
it
does
have
a
short
shelf
life.
So
we'll
re
go
through
Craig
Miser.
K
K
It
to
go
to
the
health
department,
yeah
and
then
I
do
think.
Like
Chief
young
was
talking
about
the
leave
it
in
place.
Thing
is
going
to
be
a
a
very
good
thing
to
through
the
county
and
through.
A
The
EMS
already,
let's
go
to
public
comments.
There
are
any
public
comments
here.
So
let
me
ask
Mr
jumper:
are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
A
You,
let's
go
to
commission
comments.
Vice
mayor
long
I'm,.
G
In
support
of
transferring
the
money
to
the
county,
it's
so
I've
seen
our
officers
use
Narcan
and
the
fact
that
they
get
this
from
the
county,
free
on
a
refreshment
basis,
the
same
with
the
fire
department
and
stuff
like
that.
Just
for
that
one
reason
alone:
I'm
not
supporting
the
county,
never
mind
all
the
other
programs
that
they're
trying
to
run
around
this.
A
I'm
good
commissioner
Carr.
I
First,
I
I'd
really
like
to
know
what
programs
that
the
county
is
going
to
be
using
to
provide
this,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
giving
back
giving
back
this
money
along
with
other
cities,
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
I
did
call
the
health
department
and
they
do
give
out
free,
Narcan
naloxone,
the
Tarpon
Springs
Health
Department
too.
So
there's
a
no
ass.
You
don't
have
to
say
why
you
need
it.
I
You
don't
have
to
say
who
it's
for
anything
and
you
can
just
walk
in
there
and
say:
hey
I'd
like
to
have
sub
Narcan
and
as
long
as
you're
over
18,
they
will
be
able
to
distribute
it
to
you
and
but
that's
that's
funds.
That's
already!
I
That's
already
funded
and
I
spoke
to
the
health
department
regarding
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
money
we're
given
to
them
besides,
the
Narcan
that
they're
our
First
Responders
get
that
it's
actually
being
used
to
help
those
in
need
in
Tarpon
Springs,
so
I,
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
be
able
to
go
back
and
look
at
it.
But
I
would
like
City
staff,
and
maybe
you
know
the
fire
department
police
department
to
make
some
notices
on
maybe
like
their
their
social
media
Pages.
I
We
got
to
get
rid
of
the
stigma
of
people.
Understand
that
you
know
there
are
people
they
they
know
or
friends
or
family
who
this
may
be
good
to
have
around
for
them
and
so
just
try
to
spread
the
word
out.
This
is
a
new
program
with
our
health
department
and
giving
out
the
Narcan
and
so
I'm
all
for
it.
I
But
I
just
don't
want
to
give
the
money
down
to
the
county
and
not
have
that
reciprocate
back
to
us
for
those
in
need,
so
we'll
support
it,
but
I
think
we
just
need
to
get
the
word
out
there
on
there's
free.
It's
free
out
there,
you
know,
there's
no
Stigma
to
it
and
that
way
we
can
just
get
the
word
spread.
Thank.
A
I
Were
oh
I,
I
did
reach
out
to
the
health
department
and
they
they
did
send
me
an
email
with
a
whole
bunch
of
links
regarding
the
naloxan
information
and
so
I'll
send
it
over
to
the
city
manager
that
way
he
could
funnel
it
through
everybody
to
get
a
chance
to
look
at
it.
So,
okay.
I
That,
okay
with
you,
then
yeah
yeah,
so
I'm
here
to
support
but,
like
I
said,
I've
seen
some
other
organizations
in
which
you
know
they're
really
worried
about
Mid,
county
and
South
and
I.
Just
don't
want
that
to
be
the
case
with
us.
Okay,.
A
You
know
I'm
I'm
fine.
Is
that
as
the
program
as
is
set
up
right
now
and
and
I
I
appreciate
the
information
concerning
the
Narcan
from
the
health
department?
That's
something
I
didn't
know
about.
I
would
imagine
that
there's
many
many
people
in
the
community
would
like
to
know
that
information
I'm,
not
sure
how
we
we
disseminate
that,
but
we
will
we
both
we've
got
methods.
J
B
I
A
Mayor,
yes,
mayor,
vatic
yodis,
yes
all
right!
The
last
item
that
we
have
is
appointment
to
the
board
of
adjustment
and
city
manager,
or
is
that
the
city.
B
Yes,
currently
we're
trying
to
fill
the
vacancy
that
was
vacated.
Due
to
to
commissioner
Eisner
becoming
a
commissioner.
We
haven't
been
able
to
fill
that
position.
B
B
So
tonight
we
have
to
fill
the
vacated
position
by
commissioner
Eisner
and
we
could
either
a
appoint
the
current
alternate
that
we
have,
which
is
Joanne
Simon,
to
move
up
as
a
regular
member,
or
we
can
select
the
person
that
submitted
the
application.
B
If
we
do
option
A,
then
we
would
also
have
to
fill
Mrs
Simon's
position.
We
also
just
for
the
future
we
do
have.
We
still
have
a
vacancy
of
alternate
one
and
we
also
have
a
term
that
has
expired.
B
As
you
might
be
aware,
this
board
does
not
has
term
limits,
but
there's
not
I
mean
it
has
terms,
but
no
term
limits.
So
we
are
waiting.
I
did
speak
to
the
gentleman
whose
term
had
expired,
he's
able
to
serve
an
additional
two
years
and
in
the
future
you
know
they
still
have
the
10-year
rule
right
now,
so
he
would
be
able
to
serve
an
additional
two
years.
B
A
All
right:
let's
go
to
public
comments.
A
The
there
are,
there
is
anyone.
U
A
Jump
are
there
any,
except
for
one
lady
Mr
jumper
there.
Any
public
comments.
G
This
thing
I
recommend
we
appoint
a
Joanne
Simon
to
for
the
expired
term
of
Mr
Eisner,
although
I
would
have
called
it
not
expired.
You
were
voted.
G
At
a
point,
Timothy
Grossman
is
alternate
one.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
G
I'm
sorry,
the
recommendation
was
to
appoint
a
which
was
Joanne
Simon
till
fill
the
expired
term
of
Mike
Eisner
and.
G
The
to
fill
that
alternate
vacancy
with
Timothy
Grossman.
E
A
B
B
I
A
Let's
go
to
board
and
staff
comments,
Chief
Young,
no.
J
No
except
this
was
remember,
this
was
a
back-to-back
meeting
that
we,
because
of
the
holidays,
we
got
the
same
in
December
December.
We
do
because
of
the
hurricane
messing
up
the
advertising
and
because
of
all
the
charter
items
the
election
everything
we've
got.
We've
got
two
pretty
hefty
agendas
in
in
the
two
meeting,
the
first
two
weeks
of
of
December
I'm,
waiting
to
see
where
those
items
fall.
J
So
we'll
be
working
on
that
agenda
for
the
first
meeting
in
December
starting
tomorrow,
and
if
we've
got
a
lot
of
items
there,
that
I'm
pretty
sure
will
last
us
the
7
30
I
may
want
to
move
it
up,
but
again,
I'll
make
that
call
and
let
you
know
also
remind
reminder,
I
told
I,
sent
you
some
days
to
hold
open
because
we'll
have
three
attorneys
rfps
that
will
at
least
need
one
and
maybe
two
nights
in
those
first,
two
weeks
to
December,
there's
only
a
few
nights,
because
all
the
meetings
have
been
moved
up
to
Comedy
for
Christmas,
so
just
be
cognizant
of
those
dates
and
as
soon
as
we
know,
depending
on
what
the
bids
come
in
I'll
give
you
a
more
definitive
on
those
dates
which
ones
they'll
actually
be.
J
A
That's
it
she
clerk
Jacobs.
B
I
just
want
to
remind
the
residents
if
we
end
the
board,
if
we
have,
if
y'all
know
of
anyone,
who's
interested
and
any
of
the
boards
were
in
need
of
applicants,
we
do
have
some
other
vacancies
coming
up
that,
as
you
see
the
board
of
adjustments.
E
G
I'm,
assuming
when,
when
we
looked
at
this,
when
I
got
a
page
that
said
boa
absences
or
were
none
because
the
page
was
blank,
but
just
just
as
a
side
note
I
think
we
all
need
to
work
on
getting
more
active
people
into
our
boards,
even
though
some
of
them
could
use
some
fresh
blood.
But
I
mean
we're
really
at
that
point
where
it
seems
we
need
to
to
sort
of
generate
in
that
way.
G
I,
don't
really
have
anything
more
to
say,
except
thank
you
Mariana
for
for
being
here
appreciate
your
time
and
I
did
learn
some
things
at
the
Tampa
Bay
Regional
planning
Council
that
I'm
going
to
share
through
staff
both
on
a
resiliency
and
a
sea
wall
basis
and
stuff,
like
that,
so
that'll
be
coming
up
later,
but
anyway.
Thank
you.
D
A
H
Thank
you,
mayor
I
have
a
public
comment
that
I
got
sent.
That
I
would
like
to
read
if
it's
okay
with
you,
of
course
this
is
from
George
dukes,
and
it's
please
read
in
public
comments
at
the
next
boc
meeting,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
current
board
for
making
this
in
Zoom
participation,
possible
I've
been
a
part-time
resident
of
Tarpon
Springs
for
several
years
and
we'll
be
in
the
next
months
being
transitioning
to
full
time
very
soon.
H
With
my
retirement
I'm
leaving
a
city
that
has
had
to
share
it
has
had
its
share
of
scandals,
favoritisms
and
selective
enforcement
that
benefited
a
few
I
followed.
The
boc
meetings
and
watched
them
on
YouTube.
The
past
months
have
been
interesting
and
intriguing
to
me.
I
believe
that
if
it
smells
fishy
break
out,
the
frying
pan
I
believe
that
this
board
is
mandated
to
investigate
and
potential
conflicts
of
interest
on
ethical
practices,
ball
violations
and
possible
criminal
activities
that
have
occurred
in
recent
years
with
all
involved.
H
No
one
is
exempt
or
Untouchable
or
exempt
from
scrutiny.
I
see
several
Brave
Commissioners
and
a
mayor
that
are
not
afraid
to
confront
those
who
wish
to
derail
their
efforts
to
make
Tarpon
Springs,
better
I
hope
that
anyone
who
has
violated
their
oath
or
misrepresented
the
citizens
of
Tarpon
Springs
be
brought
to
light.
H
Thank
you
for
your
input.
I
also
wanted
to
thank
the
residents
of
Tarpon
Springs
for
their
support
had
a
good
function.
This
past
weekend,
I
celebrated
my
birthday
at
that
function.
It
was
nice
good
food,
a
lot
of
good
feedback
I
want
to
wish
all
the
residents
a
Happy
Thanksgiving
with
friends
and
family
and
good
fortune
in
the
future
and
I
look
forward
to
serving
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
A
A
Also
for
the
next
two
meetings.
Please
take
heart
with
the
city
manager
is
saying,
and
let's
try
and
get
our
questions
answered
ahead
of
time
and
also
discussions
with
staff
they're
going
to
be
some
pretty
lengthy,
detailed
issues,
I'm
sure
the
residents
may
have
some
things
to
say
about
those
as
well.
A
So
I
would
appreciate
everybody's
cooperation
and
doing
that
from
here
until
after
the
first
of
the
year
Journey
after
Epiphany,
it's
going
to
be
a
very,
very
busy
event
schedule
and
I
very
much
appreciate
the
the
city
commission's
participation
in
all
those
and
and
you
all
do
an
excellent
job
in
representing
the
city.
Not
very
much
appreciate
that
also
I
want
to
wish
everyone
a
Happy
Thanksgiving,
certainly
a
safe,
Thanksgiving
and
I
really
wish
that
to
be
the
case
for
our
First
Responders,
our
Police
Department,
our
fire
department
and
and
I
know.
A
You
have
families
as
well
and,
and
you
stay
safe
and
try
and
keep
our
residents
as
safe
as
we
can
I
know,
you
all
do
a
good
job
in
that
regard.
A
Also,
I
I
really
really
want
to
call
out
and
give
a
special
thanks
to
our
city.
Clerks
Miss,
Jacobs
and
Ms
minutos
they've
been
putting
up
with
some
extraordinary
circumstances
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
That
is
a
tremendous
pressure,
no
matter
how
calm
they
are.
If
I
was
in
their
shoes,
I
know
how
I'd
feel
so.
I
wouldn't
wish
this
on.
Anyone
they've
got
the
public
records.
We've
got
an
additional
two
today
that
I'm
sure
the
the
clerks
haven't
gotten
to
yet.
We've
got
the
election
coming
up
the
qualifying
coming
up.
A
We've
got
the
referendum
questions
coming
up.
There's
some
internal
clerk
collector.
Q
A
Systems
or
collection
systems
that
need
to
be
dealt
with
so
just
provide
them
all
the
support
that
you
can
and
again
I
know.
We
sometimes
look
at
ourselves
and
we've
got
all
this
detailed
work
we
need
to
do
which
is
fine.
A
That's
you
know
we
we
we're
here
to
serve
the
public,
but
it's
also
an
exceptionally
challenging
time
for
our
clerks
to
keep
up
with
it
and
and
certainly
I'm
there
to
provide
whatever
help
they
they
need
in
that
and
so
far
they
haven't
needed
any
help
and
I
know
some
of
you
have
asked
them
for
that,
but
they
they
they're
very
independent
and
very
proud
of
what
they
do
so
Ms
Jacobs.
Thank
you.