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A
We've
got
some
certificates
of
recognition
for
our
centenarians.
These
are
very
very
special
people
in
Tarpon,
Springs
they've
been
here
forever
and
in
terms
of
history
of
the
town,
and
they
were
born
in
the
1920s
and-
and
that
means
it's
pretty
much
forever.
So
certainly
they
went
through
World,
War,
II
and
and
and
suffered
a
lot,
and
we
are
here
where
we
are
today
and
it's
a
wonderful
small
town.
It's
still
a
small
town,
and
this
is
what
small
towns
do.
They
recognize
their
special
people.
A
We
have
three
individuals
this
evening
and
two
of
them
we
had
intended
to
do
back
in
October
because
that's
when
the
birthdays
were,
but
then
we
had
hurricane
Ian
pay
us
a
visit
where
we
actually
thought
we're
going
to
have
Ian
coming
down
Tarpon
Avenue
that
didn't
happen,
but
nevertheless
we
postponed
a
lot
of
things
and
it
took
us
up
to
about
this
point
to
get
organized
again
to
make
these
presentations.
So
let
me
go
ahead
and
get
started.
A
A
Division
Street
my
grandparents
lived
on
Division
Street
and
in
those
days
grandmothers
were
very,
very
important
part
of
the
family
and
when
I
was
born,
my
grandmother
wasn't
too
sure
that
my
mother
would
be
able
to
handle
everything.
So
she
took
a
very
primary
role
in
my
rearing,
even
as
a
small
baby
and
Mrs
Alexia
was
in
her
20s
when
I
was
born.
A
So
here
we
are
75
years
later
and
this
we
have
two
certificates
this
evening,
a
centenarian
plus
certificate
and
a
centenarian
certificate.
A
couple
of
these
folks
here
tonight
it's
been
a
long
time
coming.
We
should
have
done
this
a
long
time
ago
and
I
hope.
We
remember
that
we're
still
a
small
town
and
we
continue
this
into
the
future.
A
Let
me
read
this
one:
this
is
a
centenarian
plus
certificate
on
behalf
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs.
It
is
a
pleasure
to
extend
our
best
wishes
to
you
on
this
truly
wonderful
occasion.
May
good
health
and
happiness
continue
to
be
yours
in
the
years
ahead.
Happy
104th
birthday.
A
A
Now,
I
have
to
admit
I,
don't
have
all
the
details
for
everybody
in
terms
of
children.
Great
are
great
grandchildren,
children,
grandchildren,
great-grandchildren
so
forth,
but
I'm
75
years
old
and
I've
seen
a
lot
and
I've
I've
met
a
lot
of
people,
but
Mr
Crawford
senior,
Nate
Crawford
senior
is
the
only
person.
I
know
that
has
great
great
grandchildren,
not
great
grandchildren,
great
great
grandchildren.
A
And
Miss
Georgia
Jefferson
I
knew
Georgia,
who
is
Mr,
Crawford's
daughter
when
she
worked
at
the
city
clerk's
office
when
I
was
city
manager
in
the
late
1990s.
So
it's
nice
to
see
you
again
tonight.
Georgia.
A
Now
our
last
certificate
is
a
centenarian
certificate
and
I
feel
pretty
good
about
this
one.
My
younger
son
chose
Tarpon
Springs
as
his
home,
and
his
childhood
friend
is
Miss
vanilla's
grandson,
so
I
see
Mrs
espaniotis,
all
the
time
and
she's
a
very
special
part
of
just
the
vatic
killed
his
family
as
well,
and
this
is
a
centenarian
certificate.
A
A
Also,
just
a
little
secret
when
I
was
a
in
my
wife's
listening,
so
I'll
probably
give
something
away
that
she
doesn't
know:
Ms
sanyodus
Used
to
Vacation
down
here
with
her
daughters
and
nieces
on
Clearwater
Beach
for
some
period
of
time
after
the
sponge
industry
died,
the
family
moved
up
to
Joliet
and
now
everybody's
back
down
here,
but
it
would
always
be
those
trips
back
to
Tarpon
Springs
and
Clearwater
Beach,
which
was
where
you
would
go
for
kids
to
go
swimming
and
things
like
that,
and
so
that's
where
I
first
actually
met
Ms
finiotis
was
I,
guess
in
the
1960s.
A
D
D
She
is
my
father's
first
cousin,
their
fathers
were
brothers
and
you
know
she
is
extremely
special
and
you
can
see
her
that
beautiful
people
age
beautifully,
and
that
is
you
you.
She
is
a
beautiful
lady
inside
and
out
she
always
my
brother,
Tom
and
I
were
speaking
about
that
yesterday
that
anytime
we
see
her.
She
tells
us
she
loves
us
and,
and
it's
amazing
and
when
you
think
about
the
three
recipients
tonight,
the
city
that
they
have
what
they've
seen
in
Tarpon
Springs.
D
Like
the
mayor,
said
these
are
people
born
before
the
Great
Depression
and
before
World,
War,
II
use
and
your
folks
have
seen
a
lot
of
with
civil
rights
and
the
things
that
were
going
on
in
in
Tarpon
and
but
we've
all
evolved
together
in
a
really
positive
way.
For
this
beautiful
town
that
we
have-
and
you
know
the
mayor
and
I
talked
many
times
before.
I
was
a
commissioner,
so
just
so
just
to
make
it
clear
anybody
watching
that
we
talked
about.
D
We
also
also
have
an
obligation
and-
and
the
mayor
would
always
tell
me
he
needed
to
honor
his
father
and
his
grandfather
and
we
need
to
work
and
that's
I
think
this
whole
board
is
and
that's
why
I'm
so
proud
to
be
up
here
with
them.
Is
they
are
steadfast
in
their
in
their
Zeal
to
preserve
our
town
and
they
have
done
that
I
think
we
are
always
fighting
so
Tarpon.
Is
this?
Has
the
same?
D
It's
going
to
be
different,
it's
obviously
different
in
1922
than
it
it
is
in
2023,
but
we
want
to
preserve
that
heart
that
we
have
and
one
more
thing,
I,
don't
think
people
grow
to
be
live
to
be
100
years
old
without
families
and
I
can.
Let
me
speak
about
my
cousin
Karen.
D
We
should
all
be
so
blessed
to
have
a
child
who
would
take
care
of
us
and
be
there
for
us
the
way
that
you
have
been
for
your
mother,
that
I
see
them
together
everywhere
they're
like
sisters,
but
you
are
a
big
reason
she's
here
with
us
today,
and
you
know
that
so
thank
you.
E
F
I'm
just
proud
to
sit
up
here
with
the
group
that
is
in
front
of
me,
you've
seen
a
lot
I
hope
you
can
appreciate
that
change
is
on
the
way,
but
we
will
follow
in
your
footsteps.
So
thank
you
for
being
here
and
only
another
hundred
years.
F
G
A
All
I
want
to
do.
Is
you
know
we
we're
up
here
all
the
time
we
talk
about
the
beauty
of
Tarpon
Springs,
the
bayous,
the
beaches,
the
parks,
but
we
don't
often
talk
a
lot
about
our
residents,
which
is
truly
The
Treasure
of
Tarpon
Springs,
and
if
it
wasn't
you-
and
you
know
we
wouldn't
be
up
here-
for
that
I
mean
you
know,
Tarpon
could
very
easily
be
I
hate
to
use
the
word
a
Dunedin
or
or
Clearwater,
or
something
like
that.
A
But
it
wouldn't
be
Tarpon
Springs,
but
you
want
it
the
way
it
is
and
we're
gonna
for
me,
I'm
gonna
pledge
you
I've
got
two
years
left
I'm
going
to
keep
it
the
way
it
is
so.
Thank
you
and
congratulations
to
the
families
you
have
treasures
and
within
your
own
family
and
and
and
I'm
glad
that
everyone's
here
enjoying
this
this
evening.
So
thank
you,
I'm
going
to
ask
if
there's
any
residents
that
would
like
to
make
any
comments
on
the
three
recognitions
that
we've
made
tonight.
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
Miss
Taylor
come
forward.
H
Anyone
Douglas
Lane
I,
wanted
to
know
I.
Let
everybody
know
that
I
do
know
the
crawfords
and
Mr
Crawford
been
around
a
long
time,
and
so
is
his
family.
I
went
to
school
with
them
and,
although
I
don't
know
Miss
who
is
personally
I
went
to
school
with
your
grandchildren,
so
I
know
you're
good
people
thank
y'all
and
God
bless.
You
thank.
A
You
Ms
Taylor
I've,
got
one
more
proclamation
to
make
and
then
we're
going
to
take
a
five
minute
recess
and
let
everybody
that
like
to
leave,
go
ahead
and
leave
at
that
time.
So
if
we
could
all
just
be
patient
for
about
five
more
minutes.
D
I
That's
what
he
and
my
mother
taught
us,
and
because
of
that,
we
were
able
to
live
a
life
that
resembled
not
only
Faith
but
love
for
this
country
and
I.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
that
is
so
important
because
he
could
have
easily
taught
all
five
of
us
to
hate
white
folk
because
all
the
hell
they
put
us
through,
but
he
taught
us
to
love
people,
especially
people
who
had
character.
I
That's
why
we
are
where
we
are
right
now
and
I
agree
with
the
mayor
about
the
wonderful
things
about
Tarpon
Springs
and
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
these
people
who
were
on
it
today
and
my
dad
is
one
of
them,
so
I
thank
God
for
you
all.
Recognizing
them
and
I
am
committed
to
doing
my
best
to
follow
his
example
as
well
as
these
lovely
ladies
who
planted
love
and
care
and
concern
for
every
anybody.
So
thank
you
all
for
that
honor.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
J
Tom
coliana's
1250,
South,
Pinellas
Avenue
I
just
wanted
to
Echo
what
my
brother
said
about
our
Theo
Lenny
and
I.
Remember
the
day
when
we
were
young
and
we'd
go
to
Joliet
visit
them,
and
earlier
this
evening,
John
walecus
and
I
made
a
pact
that
this
is
such
a
nice
Affair
that
20
years
from
now
we're
both
going
to
be
here.
Thank
you.
K
So
I'm
the
daughter
of
Lula
who
lives
alachu
and
I,
just
want
to
say
that
we're
just
six
Generations
here
and
we
all
grew
up
together.
We
all
took
care
of
each
other.
Just
like
we
say
a
village
raises
everybody's
children
and
we're
blessed
that
we
have
that.
Still
we
are
that
Hallmark
movie.
So
when
y'all
had
the
Fourth
of
July
thing,
everybody
should
have
been
out
there.
So
when
y'all
have
we
have
many
things,
we
need
to
support
it.
So
we
thank
you,
everybody
for
being
here
and
our
families.
K
My
mom
is
my
everything
my
dad
died
when
he
was
45
she
raised
us
too.
She
got
a
job
at
the
post
office
and
got
another
job
and
worked
hard.
All
her
life
got
cancer
survived
that
and
we're
just
so
glad
to
have
her
here
104
years.
So.
A
Well,
you
know
Tarpon
Springs
in
1887.
All
the
way
through
at
least
in
the
20s
on,
has
always
been
one
Community.
Despite
the
communities,
the
cultures,
the
ethnic,
the
race
or
anything,
it's
always
I
grew
up.
It
was
always
one
community
and
it's
and
largely
it.
It
has
stayed
that
way
and
we'd
like
to
keep
it
that
way.
So
thank
you.
A
I
have
a
proclamation
this
month
is
Parks
and
Recreation
month.
So
the
proclamation
is
from
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
whereas
proclaiming
July
as
Parks
and
Recreation
month
is
an
opportunity
for
us.
Our
community
and
local
leadership
to
officially
acknowledge
the
importance
of
our
Parks
and
Recreation
and
the
benefits
provided
to
the
people
we
serve.
And
whereas,
since
1985
people
across
the
United
States
have
celebrated
Parks
and
Recreation
month
to
promote
building
strong,
vibrant
and
resilient
communities
and
to
recognize
the
workers
and
volunteers
that
maintain
our
community
parks.
A
And
whereas
this
year's
theme,
where
community
grows,
celebrates
the
vital
role,
Parks
and
Recreation
play
in
bringing
people
together,
providing
essential
services
and
whereas
Parks
and
Recreation
programs
enhance
the
quality
of
life
for
our
residents
by
providing
places
of
enjoyment
and
allow
opportunities
for
young
people
to
live,
grow
and
develop,
and
a
place
for
older
citizens
to
maintain
healthy
hearts
and
minds
and
to
easily
access
The,
Great
Outdoors.
And
whereas,
during
Parks
and
Recreation
month
observance.
A
It
is
important
to
recognize
the
contributions
of
our
dedicated
employees
and
volunteers
who
provide
and
preserve
the
quality
of
our
parks
and
the
recreation
opportunities
offered
to
our
residents
and
to
the
many
visitors
that
we
serve
now.
Therefore,
I
close
the
vaticotis
by
virtue
of
the
authority
vested
in
me
as
mayor
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs,
do
hereby
Proclaim
July
2023
as
Parks
and
Recreations
month.
So.
A
L
M
I
would
just
like
to
say
appreciate
the
support
from
mayor
border
commission
city
manager,
City
staff
here
working
in
Tarpon
is
really
a
team
atmosphere,
and
it's
really
incredible
with
the
special
events
of
all
the
different
departments
that
come
out:
Public
Works
their
work
to
keep
the
parks
beautiful
the
impacts
of
Parks
and
Recreation
on
physical
and
mental
health.
It's
fantastic
and
really
special
to
be
part
of
the
city
of
Tarpon.
Here.
Thank
you.
N
Jamesburg
Park
and
park
Suite
division.
It
is
an
honor
to
work
here
in
the
city,
it's
an
honor
to
talk
to
the
residents
and
to
be
able
to
do
the
work
that
benefits
everyone
here,
young
and
old.
Thank
you.
A
Parks
and
Parkways
or
for
our
residents
and
to
enjoy
and
and
we
try
to
maintain
them,
the
best
that
we
can.
Obviously
it's
an
ongoing
process
and
these
gentlemen
and
all
the
employees
and
their
divisions
and
departments
work
hard
and
we
spend
as
much
money
as
we
can
given
priorities
of
things
to
keep
our
Parks
and
Recreation
facilities,
as
beautiful
as
we
can
so
I
very
much
appreciate
their
effort.
Any
Commissioners
would
like
to
say
anything
on
that.
L
G
G
O
We're
already
just
want
to
say
we're
already
working
on
that
we're
working
on
building
a
new
cops
and
kids
building
and
public
services
building
and
we're
implanting
and
incorporating
all
the
area
around
the
back
part
of
the
park.
So
we've
got
big
plans,
we're
in
the
preliminary
stages
of
working
on
so
look
at
the
future
and
and
you're
going
to
be
seeing
something
real
good
in
that
project.
There.
O
A
That
was
actually
discussed
last
year
and
the
commission
agreed
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
that.
So
it's
a
plan
in
in
motion
and
I
think
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
simply
waiting
to
finish
that
conversion
from
one
side
of
mirrors
Boulevard
to
the
other
and
then
we'll
get
to
the
other
side
from
a
design
perspective.
But
thank
you
for
your
comment.
A
We're
going
to
go
to
public
comments.
Is
there
anyone
here
for
public
comments?
If
you
could
please
come
forward
state
your
name
and
address?
A
We
have
a
special
presentation:
I
apologize,
Ms
Jennings.
Pardon
me
hang
on
a
second.
P
A
Q
G
L
P
P
P
We
pay
the
artists
whose
work
go
into
the
illuminated
art
boxes,
a
hundred
dollars
a
piece
we
had
a
33
of
them,
so
that's
3
300
and
we
made
a
donation
to
The
Tarpon
Springs,
Art
Association,
our
operating
supplies,
their
two
expenditures
for
Fast
Signs.
Those
are
the
signages
for
the
sculptures
down
on
the
docks
and
the
UPS
store
was
the
printing
of
the
vinyl
panels
for
the
illuminated
art
boxes.
P
P
P
P
P
P
These
are
my
two
newer
sculptures
on
the
Sponge
Docks
Sylvester,
the
cat
and
Pete
the
Pelican.
They
both
have
historic
and
cultural
tie-ins
to
the
people
in
the
town.
P
P
So
you
remember,
somebody
remembers
Pete
and
long
times.
Tarpon
Springs,
resident,
Joy,
sackelson
Giorgio
won
the
name,
the
Pelican
contest
with
Pete,
and
it
was
on
in
honor
of
her
late
brother,
whose
photo
she's
holding
mayor
vaticiotis
in
the
entire
public,
art
committee
and
and
Diane
went
down
to
the
docks
for
a
photograph
at
that
sculpture,
joy
and
her
family
have
lived
in
Tarpon
for
many
generations.
P
Continue
to
make
the
news
with
the
illuminated
art
boxes.
This
was
an
article
in
the
Suncoast
news,
and
these
are
some
of
the
images
that
we
had
in
the
latest
round
of
artworks
tomorrow
at
a
meeting
of
the
public
art
committee,
we're
going
to
be
sending
out
the
quilt
artist
for
our
fourth
round.
So
it's
really
doing
very
well,
and
the
black
heritage
project
consists
of
Two
Pieces
by
artist
Stephen
Oliver.
P
P
Phase
two
is
an
expository
Arch
containing
historic
photographs
and
images
from
the
early
afro-bahamian
sponge,
hookers
and
divers.
Qr
codes
will
be
added
to
provide
additional
information.
The
piece
will
be
located
on
the
Anclote
River
close
to
an
historic
baptismal
site.
There
will
be
seating
and
shade
to
allow
visitors
to
contemplate
the
images
and
texts
and
to
enhance
the
message
of
the
sculpture
phase.
Three
is
a
wayfinder
signed
to
direct
visitors
to
the
contemplative
Archway
on
the
river,
and
it
will
be
in
it's
under
consideration
by
the
public
art
committee.
P
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
see
it,
but
it
has
a
kind
of
subtle
photograph
of
an
afro-bahamian
holding
a
wreath
of
sponges.
P
This
is
our
Merry
Little
band,
myself,
Graham,
Jones
and
Dawn
arbitello
are
with
us
tonight.
We
have
Laney
Beaver,
christopolis,
Robert,
Stackhouse,
nicktothe
and
Sonya
McGrath
and,
of
course,
our
Liaisons
Diane
wood
and
Megan
McIntyre.
A
I'm
city
manager,
of
course
you
want
to
add
anything
to
this
or
no
right.
Now.
The
public
art
committee
is
very
active
and
impassioned
committee
they're,
very,
very
they're
artists
and
I
I
I'm,
an
engineer.
Sometimes
artists
and
Engineers-
don't
mix
well
so
I.
Let
the
artists
do
what
they
need
to
do
because
I,
don't
know
anything
about
art,
but
they
do
a
wonderful
job
and
they're
very
selective
as
far
as
the
artwork
goes,
which
I'm
always
very,
very
thankful
for
and
very
Tastefully
done.
A
A
And-
and
it
is
an
ongoing
process-
that's
the
thing:
every
year
we
get
a
an
annual
report,
but
it's
like
everything
else.
It's
not
the
end
of
the
road
there'll
be
a
next
year
and
the
next
year
and
the
next
year,
and
then
we
also
have
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
here
at
the
at
within
the
commission
to
be
able
to
complement
that
and
there's
some
things
that
we
still
need
to
do
in
that
regard
and
we'll
talk
about
that
later.
Let
me
go
to
public
comments.
A
Okay,
Mr
Atkins.
R
621
East
Orange
Street.
Can
you
tell
me
how
Sylvester
the
cat
makes
it
on
SpongeBob,
but
the
African-American
sculpture
doesn't.
O
The
thing
is:
it's
Jones,
okay,
thank.
P
A
R
A
T
A
Now
we'll
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
any
public
comments
here
this
evening,
Mr
Geddes.
U
Thank
you,
mayor
David,
Ballard,
Gettys,
Jr
I
live
at
802
Georgia
Avenue
in
Palm
Harbor
14
years
ago,
Pinellas
County
way
laid
the
residents
into
filling
out
a
reclaimed
water
variance
application
as
applied.
The
variance
is
a
eminent
domain
of
both
our
personal
and
real
property.
As
recognized
in
statute
15303,
section
5..
It
allows
third
parties
to
Levy
into
the
equity
of
our
homes
for,
what's
known
as
a
transfer
of
development
rights,
the
Pinellas
County
reclaimed
water
variance
application
further
states
that
I
the
applicant
literally
owe
my
health,
my
safety
and
my
religious
convictions.
U
The
reclaimed
water
variance
is,
in
total
disrespect
violating
the
First
Amendment
of
the
U.S
Constitution
violating
Article
1
Section
3
of
the
Florida
Constitution
violating
Pinellas
County
Home
rural
Charter,
section
2,
2.02
e,
the
variance
implicates
both
the
county
and
its
interlocal
private
Public
Partnerships
in
its
establishing
of
a
state
of
apartheid
against
Christianity,
using
water
as
its
weapon
of
choice
as
applied
to
the
due
process
clause
of
the
14th
Amendment.
The
variance
can
be
seen
as
The
Taking
of
Liberty
property
and
life
Blasphemous
to
My
Religion
vanquishing
Christianity,
as
based
on
Federalist
Paper
number.
U
Two
and
52
in
a
constituted
Act
of
attrition
moving
Pinellas
forward
in
an
act
of
demagoguery
and
sacrilege,
do
I
think
reclaimed.
Water
is
going
to
be
used
as
a
chemical
and
biological
weapon
as
a
makeshift
gas
chamber
used
to
used
against
us
Christians
seen
as
a
Clearinghouse
mechanism
as
recognized
in
statute,
163.3167,
section
11
stemming
from
2007
as
I,
live
in,
what's
known
as
a
ready
to
serve
Zone.
U
H
H
I
was
a
bit
taken
back
by
Mr
lakura's
comments
to
me
on
my
my
version
of
what
I
said
about
the
Bahamian
spunder
project
down
in
Greektown
after
I
spoke
to
them
about
this
Bahamian
sponge
art
project
history,
not
being
told
as
history
is
being
told
which
were
the
first
sponges,
worked
on
the
docks
at
the
Sponge
Docks.
They
didn't
work
at
the
marina.
They
worked
at
the
Docks
Mr
Lakers.
H
You
stated
I've
been
offended
by
everything.
Miss
Taylor
said
her.
Her
misrepresentation
of
the
project
is
not
correct
and
that
she
had
caught
that
you
had
called
people
in
the
community
to
tell
them
that
what
Miss
Taylor
said
was
not
be
was
not
correct.
My
question
to
you,
Mr
Lakers,
says
what
was
it
I
supposedly
said
about
the
project
that
was
misrepresentation
of
the
city.
The
minutes
I
referred
to
were
taken
directly
from
the
Arts
Council
minutes
dated
January
2020
to
2023..
H
These
minutes
also
showed
that
they
were
black
heritage
project
committee
that
was
established,
which
Miss
Jones
just
spoke
of
that
wrote
that
worked
on
this
project.
That
committee,
along
with
the
artist,
did
research
and
gathered
historical
information
for
the
exhibit
they
recommended
that
the
exhibit
be
put
place
in
front
of
the
sponge
Exchange
in
front
of
the
planners
in
front
of
this
funding
exchange.
The
questions
were
that
it
was
foot
traffic
in
front
of
the
sponge
exchange
which
rails
could
have
been
put
up
just
like
it
was
down
by
the
restaurants.
H
Further
west
rails
could
been
put
up
right
there
in
front
of
that
sponge
exchange
that
people
wouldn't
have
stepped
in
front
of
traffic
in
front
of
that
exhibit
Mr.
Lakers
I
would
like
to
ask
you
what
research
did
you
do
on
this
location?
Did
you
meet
with
the
with
the
director
of
the
marina
to
ask
of
his
input?
Was
any
safety
concerns
considered
what
wasn't
the
black?
What
was
it?
Why
wasn't
the
black
history
project
location
accepted?
H
They
were
telling
the
history
correctly,
Mr
lacurus
in
your
own
words,
you
said
it's
my
it's
in
my
hands.
It
it's
been
voted
on
and
it's
been
done.
I
do
not
agree
with
the
artist's
contract
being
used
as
an
excuse
to
close
the
matter.
There
should
have
been
Clauses
in
the
contract
to
cover
the
situation
to
cover
situations.
The
spirit
the
city
spent
close
to
Five
Years
on
the
nyad
sculpture,
which
was
which
are
fictional
characters,
have
no
historical
value
to
the
community.
H
By
saying
you
actually
made
phone
calls
to
people
stating
I
misrepresented
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
after
45
years
of
tenure
with
the
city
of
all
the
people,
you
should
know
better
I
found
your
comments
to
be
pompous
and
arrogant.
As
a
citizen,
I
have
the
right
to
voice
my
opinion
and,
in
this
case
I
feel
like
you
were
wrong.
I
would
it.
It
is
now
seems
that
all
of
this
all
of
the
all
of
this
is
resting
on
your
shoulders,
Mr
Lakers,
because
you
said
you
personally
selected
the
location
I
would
like
them.
H
The
mayor
and
all
the
Commissioners
to
know.
I
have
not
said
anything
to
anybody
in
the
community
that
I
have
not
said
in
front
of
all
of
you
sitting
here.
I
do
not
have
I,
do
not
have
a
clue
of
what
Mr
Lakers
has
been
told
about
who
he
told
who
who
told
him
what
I
would
have.
Rather,
he
spoken
directly
to
me
rather
than
get
him
on
public
forum
and
call
my
name
to
say
of
hearsay
at
his
level
of
management.
I
do
not
think
he
was
on
in
his
best
interest
to
openly
State.
H
He
made
phone
calls
to
people
in
the
community
to
correct
statements.
He
said
I
made,
which
I
still
don't
have
a
clue.
What
those
statements
were
making
such
calls
could
be
could
be
defamation
to
my
character.
Mr
lakura's
vision
is
five
years
away.
It
is
not
working
for
our
community.
Today,
again,
I
would
like
to
ask
the
city
to
revisit
the
contract
pay
the
artist
to
relocate
the
exhibit.
History
should
be
told
correctly
that
these
sponges
deserve
the
respect
to
be
represented
on
the
sponge
exchange
way.
They
actually
worked.
H
H
J
A
H
A
That
history,
but
maybe
you
know,
are
not
any
differences
of
food
Miss
Taylor.
Where
are
you
I'm,
going
to
ask
the
city?
I
was
just
asking
him
whether
you
wanted
to
say
anything
or
not,
and
and
I
think
that
the
best
thing
would
be
for
you
and
I
know
you
I,
don't
think
you've
talked
to
him
since
the
last
time
he
made
those
comments,
I
think,
is
what
is
what
you're
inferring
and
I
would
like
for
you
to
for
you
two
to
get
together
and
kind
of
pick
it
up
from
there.
H
A
O
That
know
me
knowing
the
45
years
I've
been
here,
I
haven't
lied
to
them,
I
haven't
misled
them
or
haven't
done
anything
and
I.
Think
Miss
Taylor
should
talk
to
some
of
those
people
that
I
had
to
dispel
this
depiction
of.
We
were
burying
a
project
of
the
Bohemian
divers.
We
were
bearing
it
at
the
worst
place
in
the
Spanish.
Eyes
could
be,
and
that's
the
farthest
thing
for
the
truth
and
I
can't
apologize
because
I
stand
by
that,
because
I'm,
the
one
who
worked
hard
I
was
out
there
in
the
hot
sun.
O
Looking
for
the
right
place,
where
the
most
people
could
see
it,
where
you
could
put
some
places
for
people
to
sit
and
reflect
on
the
history
and
stuff
and
I
believe
there's
one
thing:
I
promised
this
community
and
I
haven't
broken
my
promises
over
my
45
years.
When
this
thing
is
done,
come
down
and
see
it,
and
then
you
can
tell
me
if
I'm
right
or
Miss
Taylor's
right,
I'm
free
for
any
of
you
to
call
me
and
give
you
the
whole
two
and
a
half
year
story
of
how
this
came
out.
O
I'd
be
glad
to
talk
to
you
individually,
about
that.
Like
I've
done
with
many
in
the
community
who's
know
me
they've
grown
up
with
them
as
kids
and
my
Cops
and
Kids
program
and
the
depiction
that
we're
burying
this
thing.
Because
of
what
the
project
is,
is
the
farthest
thing
from
the
truth,
so
that
that's
all
I
want
to
say
on.
A
It
mayor,
let
me
let
me
interject
here
at
7,
30
Mr
Rockland.
If
you
could
be
a
little
patient,
we've
got
to
shift
over
to
our
ordinances
and
resolutions,
and
this
should
be.
It
should
go
fairly,
quick
and
we'll
be
right.
Back
I
can
finish
up
with
public
comments
with
anybody
who
wants
to
say
anything.
That's
nothing!
That's
not
on
the
agenda
so
item
14,
Mr
salesman,
If,
You,
Could,
Read,
ordinance,
2023-07
by
title
Please,
ordinance.
V
2023-07,
an
ordinance
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida,
submitting
to
the
electors
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
a
referendum,
question
and
ballot
title
for
the
purchase
of
the
Roosevelt
Boulevard
properties
from
Santorini
developers,
LLC
for
preservation,
Parkland
event,
space
parking
and
Civic
use
and
providing
for
an
effective
date
of
the
ordinance.
That's
ordinance,
202307
read
by
title.
Only
second
reading
will
be
on
August
8
2023
and
will
be
published
in
the
Tampa
Bay
Times
by
title.
Only
okay.
O
I
mean
it's
always
the
performance.
This
is
the
property,
that's
known
by
many
of
the
former
Hotel
property
on
the
docks.
This
is
something
that
we
negotiated
a
deal
for,
obviously
because
of
the
price
it
has
to
go
to
a
referendum,
and
it's
the
people
who's
going
to
make
the
final
decision
on
this
project.
O
So
one
of
the
requirements
is
two
readings
of
an
ordinance
when
it
comes
to
the
second
reading,
they'll
be
the
resolution
with
the
ballot
language
about
the
purchase
of
this
of
this
piece
of
property,
and
then
It
ultimately
goes
on,
goes
in
the
hands
of
the
residents
at
the
November
election
to
decide
if
we're
to
purchase
this
property
or
not.
So
this
is
the
this
is
the
first
step.
The
reading
of
the
ordinance
again
there'll
be
a
second
reading
and
then
also
a
resolution
with
the
ballot
language
for
what
the
people
have
to
decide.
L
W
1.8
million,
that's
what
I
thought
and
it's
going
to
cost
anywhere
from
38
to
40
000
to
have
the
referendum
election
because
we
can't
piggyback
on
anybody.
Any
other
election.
Is
that
the
cost.
B
Is
a
standalone
election
it
would,
it
could
run
anywhere
from
38
to
40
thousand
dollars.
A
Okay,
Pub
commission
comments
anything.
A
L
A
Yes,
item
15
resolution,
2023-22.
O
We
had
a
very
good
presentation
on
it:
the
other
night,
here's
the
formalization,
so
I'll
bring
I'll,
bring
Paul
Smith
up
and
you
want
to
bring
Robin
up
too.
X
X
This
item
was
requesting
the
adoption
of
the
city's
first
sustainability
plan,
and
this
is
a
follow-up
to
a
presentation
at
the
last
meeting
and
we
received
feedback
and
incorporated
into
the
final
document
and
we
look
forward
to
implementation,
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
Y
I
would
recommend
everybody
take
a
look
at
this
plan
encompasses
a
lot
more
than
what
you
might
think
about
right
off
the
bat.
When
you
hear
sustainability
I
know
we
think
of
an
environment,
sea
level
rise
and
climate
change
and
not
having
because
it's
in
the
backup
and
your
plan
there.
So
I
was
hoping
you'd
give
a
little
presentation
to
show
the
whole
range
of
what
this
plan
looks
to
do.
Y
Action
by
the
request
of
citizens
to
do
this
being
in
a
bayou,
River,
Gulf
area
with
so
much
water.
In
fact,
we
were
at
the
rec
center
last
night
and
there's
a
picture
that
shows
all
the
different
sea
level
rises,
we're
going
to
see
in
from
tidal
flooding
and
storm
flooding
and
we're
the
most
vulnerable.
But
the
point
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
there's
other
things
that
talks
about
the
economic
effects,
the
social
effects,
creating
what
we
call
tree
Islands.
L
Y
A
whole
variety
of
things
so
I
would
recommend
if
you
have
a
time
moment
it's
on
the
connect,
Tarpon
Springs
site,
also
the
plan,
so
maybe
y'all
can
address
to
that
when
I'm
done,
but
I
want
to
thank
Dory,
Larson,
Robin,
Sanger,
Miss,
Gallagher,
Dr
Robinson,
all
the
other
people
on
the
committee
from
the
beginning
who
helped
push
this
Vision
forward
and
the
hard
work
and
the
efforts
they
did
to
coordinate
everything
to
do
this
in
a
professional
manner
and
I
just
want
to
say.
Thank
you
we're
on
the
right
track.
Y
You
had
Parks
and
Recreation
earlier
and,
as
your
gentleman
said,
nature
and
Parks
is
a
respite
for
all
and
we
need
to
make
all
of
our
parks
and
all
our
areas
available
and
I
didn't
want
to
get
up
and
have
to
keep
speaking.
But
with
regards
to
Parks
I've
mentioned
before
the
sports
complex
on
the
landfill
we've
talked
about
it
before
pool,
we
need
a
pool,
so
I
just
want
to
throw
that
in
as
incorporation.
But
thank
you
Paul
he's
been
there
from
the
beginning,
Robin
joined
us.
L
A
Mrs
Larson
is
coming
to
the
to
the
podium
and
I'd
like
to
recognize
her
as
the
original
chairperson
for
the
sustainability
committee,
and
thank
you
for
being
here
this
evening.
Z
Thanks
Dory
Larson
1846
Lexington
Place
in
Tarpon
and
I
just
want
to
express
my
gratitude
to
this
commission
to
the
commissions
before
City
Manager
for
hearing
us
as
a
community
say
that
we
need
this,
and
this
is
a
vital
part
of
making
sure
that
that
our
city
is
sustainable.
For
the
future,
I
mean
the
reason
I
started
thinking
about.
A
Let
me
just
first
of
all
Ms
Reeves.
Thank
you
very
much
for
all
your
hard
work
and
I
understand
you're,
going
to
be
moving
on
to
greener
pastures,
soon
and
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
leaving
us
at
a
good
place
on
this
and
that
you
did
a
wonderful
job
to
get
it
to
get
us
to
where
we
are.
The
other
part,
I
want
to
say,
is
I
wish
somewhere
along
the
line,
and
maybe
I
could
encourage
Mrs
Larson
in
her
free
time
to
kind
of
put
together
The
Saga
of
how
we
started.
A
Not.
We
I
how
the
turn
turned
the
tide
for
tarpon.
A
Grassroots
organization
started
with
the
environmental
issues
in
Tarpon
Springs
and
then
that
kind
of
evolved
into
bringing
people
into
the
city
commission
meeting,
insisting
that
we
create
a
sustainability
committee
and
from
there
insisting
that
we
have
a
sustainability
coordinator
and
from
there
we
have
a
sustainability
action
plan.
A
So
that's
a
pretty
good
story
and
the
way
things
should
work
in
a
small
community
and
it
did
work
that
way
to
turn
the
tide
for
Tarpon
was
largely
associated
with
environmental
issues,
and
this
sustainability
action
plan
is
truly
for
the
city
to
remain
sustainable.
It's
not
just
the
environment,
but
it's
the
economic
and
also
the
social
variables
that
need
to
be
taken
into
account,
which
is
what
this
plan
does
and
and
I
think
that's
extremely
important
in
compliments.
A
The
other
strategic
and
comprehensive
plan
that
we
have
as
well
so
I'm,
hoping
at
some
point
in
the
future,
we'll
all
see
them
working
together,
integrating
and
working
as
one.
So
we're
done
with
the
public
comments.
I'm
done
with
my
comments
and
Mr
Smith
I
know
you
before
Robin
was
there
kind
of
acting
on
the
city,
manager's
behalf
and
and
I
very
much
appreciate
that
effort
as
well.
I
know
you're
you're
inclined
towards
the
environment
and
that's
good.
Thank
you,
I'm,
going
to
go
to
commissioner
comments,
commissioner
couliana.
D
And
and
furthermore,
I
just
I
remember
when
I
used
to
sit
out
there
in
the
public
and
I
would
see
a
commissioner
scrolling
through
a
computer
and
I
thought
they
were,
you
know
playing
Solitaire
or
games.
This
is
where
we
see
the
same
thing.
That's
up
there.
We
see
it
here
on
our
screen.
So
that's
just
just
letting
you
know
that
we're
we
are
paying
attention
Robin
you!
You
broke
my
heart
you're.
D
You
did
such
an
amazing
job
on
this
and
and
Paul
I
mean
but
I
know
you're
going
to
do
wonderful
things
where
in
Orlando
and
wherever
you
go
in
your
life
because
you're
a
special
person,
so
I
just
want
to.
Thank
you.
F
F
F
We
didn't
always
agree,
but
you
you're,
strong
Fest
and
your
determination,
along
with
Robin
you've,
done
an
amazing
job.
We're
going
to
be
really
sorry
to
see
you,
you
know
go,
but
you
did
a
very
professional
job,
I've
seen
and
heard
only
complementary
comments
about
it.
We've
spoken
about
it
with
you
Paul
in
the
office,
and
if
we
get
80
percent
of
this
accomplished,
I
will
be
thrilled.
F
If
you
don't
take
charge
of
something,
then
you
take
charge
of
nothing
so
I'm.
Just
glad
that
you
put
this
together
for
us
do
monitor
us
to
make
sure
we're
staying
on
a
beaten
path.
You
know
check
in
with
us.
I
hope
that
we
can
get
somebody
at
least
even
equal
to
your
replacement
value.
You've
been
an
amazing
value
and
to
all
of
the
original
committee
people
you
guys
all
have
done
a
great
job.
F
It's
not
easy
to
set
up
something
like
this.
From
with
having
no
background
I
know
you
picked
and
choose
from
other
towns,
but
it
you
know
we're
a
unique
town
and
I
when,
as
I
look
over
this,
this
is
Tarpon,
Springs
and
I
want
to.
Thank
you
all.
Well,
you
know
me
I,
always
thank
you.
You
you're
just
a
delight
to
deal
with
and
I
appreciate
all
that
you
do
so.
Thank
you,
everybody
that
was
involved
in
this
vice
mayor.
AA
London
yeah
I
also
want
to
offer
my
heartiest
thanks
to
the
previous
committee
members,
the
current
committee
members
and
especially
to
Robin,
to
putting
it
us
all
together.
It
has
been
a
haul.
It
was
very
difficult
required,
a
lot
of
back
and
forth.
We
came
up
with
a
sustainability
plan
that
is
so
well
thought
out.
You
would
have
thought
that
it
came
from
a
major
city
rather
than
from
a
small
community
like
Tarpon
Springs.
It
is
completely
detailed.
AA
Robin
as
the
saying
goes,
you're
the
cook
of
all
this
I
think
you
deserve
a
Michelin
star,
we're
going
to
miss
you
very
very
much
and
thank
you
and
thank
you
very
much
for
all
your
hard
work.
E
Yes,
I
just
saw
Robin
thank
you
for
all
the
hard
work
you've
done
and
actually
leaving
after
putting
this
hard
implementation
together
and
putting
this
hard
plan
that
that
was
one
of
the
greatest
accomplishments
that
we
as
a
board,
can
can
thank
staff
for
putting
together
and
just
everyone
who's
made.
It
happen
to
get
to
the
point
we're
at
today
the
residents
who
had
ended
up
becoming
committee
members,
who
you
know
who
were
persistent
to
get
to
where
we're
at.
But
now
after
this
adoption
comes
implementation.
So
you
know
it's
got
to
be.
E
You
know
the
committee's
got
to
stay
on
top
of
the
board
on
you
know,
back
and
forth,
and
working
with
a
new
sustainability
coordinator,
who's
going
to
come
in
and
and
help
implement.
This
also
we're
just
getting
started
with
all
this,
and
it's
important
that
future
boards,
as
well
as
committees,
hold
each
other
accountable
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
this
all
in
the
Direction
Where
We
have
planned
out.
So
thank
you.
AB
X
L
X
To
be
somebody
that
gets
along
with
all
kinds
of
people
and
even
willing
to
endure
a
little
bit
of
frustration
or
slow
progress,
I
mean
it
just
happens
in
any
organization
when
you're
making
changes,
which
is
what
this
is.
So
we
understand,
we
appreciate
your
comments
and
look
forward
to
continuing
to
move
forward.
Thank.
D
AC
Thank
you,
mayor
and
good
evening
to
the
mayor,
the
board
members
and
Senior
staff,
Robert
rockline
755
North
Lake
Boulevard,
here
in
Tarpon,
like
to
stay
on
the
The,
Parks
and
Rec
theme.
If
we
could,
it
was
nice
to
honor
the
staff
and
the
the
committee
members
who
are
involved
with
that.
It's
an
important
facet
to
our
life
here,
I
think
Florida
as
well
as
Tarpon
is
very
much
an
outdoor
activity.
Community
and
I
certainly
commend
their
dedication
to
that.
AC
I
started
going
to
some
of
the
parks
and
rec
committee
meetings
a
few
months
back,
and
it
was
basically
on
behalf
of
both
my
interest
and
a
lot
of
neighbors
interest
in
things
like
pickleball,
Hibachi
and
and
such
that
we
don't
currently
have
here
now.
I
was
especially
interested
in
pickleball
because
last
time
I
played
tennis
I
got
hit
by
a
car,
so
that
was
many
moons
ago,
but
I
haven't
played
tennis
since
so
I
was
looking
to
downscale
a
little.
It
was.
AC
You
know
interesting
both
to
see
the
interaction
and
the
Dynamics
with
the
committee,
and
it
was
the
last
meeting
meeting
the
other
day
that
I
went
to
that
caused
me
to
come
up
and
speak
and
I'm,
certainly
not
speaking
on
behalf
of
any
of
the
committee
members,
but
they
they
seem
to
be
a
bit
frustrated
and
confused
and
and
a
bit
dejected,
and
they
were
actually
hoping
hoping
a
commissioner
or
two
would
attend
their
meeting.
AC
I,
don't
know
if
a
formal
invite
was
sent
or
anything
mostly
to
explain
the
current
status
of
the
pickleball
proposal.
And
why
of
why?
There
will
their
time
and
hard
work
was
now
in
limbo.
They
plan
to
compose
a
committee.
AC
You
know
member
memo
to
the
board
a
Commissioners
in
regards
for
consideration
when
they
meet
again
next
month,
so
I'm
sure
that's
down
the
road,
but
they
worked
very
closely
with
the
DPW
staff
assessing
numerous
locations
narrowing
it
down
to
I,
think
four
sites
that
were
considered
viable
for
either
refreshment
of
existing
flat
work
or
in
developing
new
facilities
with
minimal,
if
any
impact,
probably
having
a
complete
storm
water
retention
and
continue
to
provide
an
open
air
and
open
space,
type
atmosphere
and
attraction.
AC
We're
really
just
changing
just
the
passive
use
to
an
active
use
for
the
recreation
of
our
residents
several
meetings
ago,
they
were
in
with
the
board
here
there
was
no
approval
granted
for
a
Construction
contract
and,
to
my
knowledge,
no
public
discussion
since
I.
Remember
the
proposal
to
bring
pickleball
to
my
community
being
pre-approved
with
dedicated
funding
allotted
to
that,
so
it
would
seem
to
be
an
easy
street
I'm
sure
we're
all
aware
of
the
ever
Rising
construction
costs
and
materials.
AC
The
phrase
time
is,
money
probably
could
not
be
more
true
at
this
time
in
regards
so
now,
I
believe
they
have
both
North
and
South
locations
that
are
that
were
selected
in
our
city
that
are
shovel
ready
and
one.
You
know
located
in
the
existing
Fitness
Park
and
Dorset
park
with
minimal
work.
I
think
Dorset
Park
just
need
some
fence
alteration,
and
maybe
some
restriping
in
the
fitness,
Park
I,
guess
laying
a
new
new
slab
there.
For
this
and
of
course,
there's
there
was
talk
of
potential
East
and
West
locations
that
were
available.
AC
There's
also
some
chatter
about
maybe
private
developers
interested
in
converting
some
top
one
property
properties
into
private
Club
Courts,
and
that
could
take
away
from
the
possibility
of
any
future
sponsorship
that
might
give
us.
You
know
a
little
bit
of
Aid
in
the
maintenance.
It's
an
upkeep.
It
would
be
nice
to
go
into
that
before
the
the
private
people
could
so
I
think.
The
question
we
need
to
ask
ourselves
is:
do
we
need
to
make
this
cost
more
and
do
we
need
to
make
it
take
longer
than
than
it
should?
AC
It
just
seems
to
be
such
low-hanging
fruit
that
it
would
be
a
shame
to
let
it
die
on
the
vine.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
Y
Y
You
can
ask
Chief
young
what
to
do,
but
our
radio
1610.
it
plays
the
same
over
and
over
it
does.
It
did
update
the
website
address
about
jobs,
fire
protection
or
hurricane
preparedness
and
stuff,
but
that's
an
Avenue
to
reach
out
to
a
residents
one.
We
need
to
expand.
The
range
expand
the
range,
secondly,
use
it
as
a
mechanism
to
broadcast
meetings.
I
leave
here,
driving
home
I'd
still
like
to
be
able
to
hear.
Y
Media
access
people
still
listen
to
the
radio
and
when
the
power
goes
out
and
you
got
a
battery
radio,
we
know
the
importance
of
it,
but
all
we
have
to
do,
and
chief
young
may
know
how
to
handle
it
or
somewhere
else
you
go
to
the
FCC.
You
apply
for
an
expanded
license.
You
say
it's
for
Public
Service,
public
awareness,
Community
involvement,
and
then
you
can
also
start
after
a
while
and
I
know.
Y
Y
So
on
that
venue,
your
TV
station
I
was
watching
today,
Board
of
adjustment,
meeting
115
it
cut
off
before
they've
made
the
motion
in
the
vote
and
it
went
to
a
segment
on
a
documentary
about
columnist,
I
love,
columnist,
I
went
there,
but
I
wanted
to
find
out
how
the
vote
went
and
then
that
was
on
for
about
a
half
hour.
Then
a
public
art
committee
meeting
came
on
so
what
my
thought
was
simple
put
a
banner
at
the
bottom.
These
are
the
programs
coming
up
the
programs
that
will
be
on
later.
N
Y
A
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
end
our
public
comments
and
we're
going
to
go
to
our
consent
agenda
and,
as
I've
done
I'm
going
to
ask
if
any
Commissioners
have
any
comments,
if
we
could
wait
to
make
those
during
the
vote
of
of
all
the
consent
agenda,
if
you've
got
questions,
let's
pull
the
item
that
you've
got
questions
on
now,
so
were
there
any
items
that
any
commissioner
would
like
to
pull
right
now.
Y
Item
two:
please:
if
you'll
pull
up
your
backup
petrol,
x514,
Ashland
Avenue,
this
is
with
regards
to
the
above
ground
fuel
tanks.
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
in
the
backup
there
was
memos
from
July,
19,
2022
and
August
9th
of
2022,
in
which
I
don't
recall
which
meeting
it
was
I
was
at
that
I
spoke
about
this
issue,
but
I
did
have
concerns
about
the
diesel
link
and
I
had
spoken
about
this
issue
before
now.
Y
The
purpose
of
this
change
orders
provide
the
change
charges
accrued
due
to
moving
the
tanks
to
a
more
suitable
location
where
the
tanks
could
be
habitable
habitable.
With
the
city's
current
reclaimed.
Water
storage
tanks
is
requested
by
treatment
plan
management.
The
change
order
prices
to
cover
additional
engineering,
concrete,
cutting
trenching
double
wall,
pipe
pea,
gravel,
backfill,
labor,
concrete,
concrete
labor
plans,
redrawn
three
times
Contra
restaking
tank
location
cut
and
remove
additional
con
surface
lab
electrical
and
travel
time.
Y
As
requested
by
treatment
plant
management,
were
they
not
consulted
originally
in
the
beginning,
so
I
I,
don't
know,
I
just
had
questions
as
to
why
it
maybe
wasn't
done
properly
and
I
still
have
concerns
about
the
leakage
that
may
be
going
on
from
the
diesel
tanks
that
are
there
not
far
from
the
Anclote
River.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
AD
My
comment
is
item
four
pox
and
playground
equipment,
and
my
topic
is
at
I'm,
going
back
to
Dorset
Park
that
slide
there,
my
oldest
daughter's
35
I'm,
going
to
be
70
in
January.
That's
how
old
that
slide
is
so
I
hope
that
you
all
are
looking
at
refurbishing
some
of
that
equipment
out
there
also
with
the
trees
and
things
that's
there
to
do
something
where
at
least
some
light
comes
in.
AD
O
O
Some
new
equipment
to
go
out
there
and
I
know
that
slide
very
well
and
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
some
more
approved,
but
the
first
step
of
new
equipment
has
already
been
approved,
funded
and
you'll
be
seeing
soon
and
then
we'll
be
looking
at
some
other
areas
of
the
park
and
some
improvements.
We're
looking
at.
AD
A
You
are
there
any
other
public
comments
on
any
of
the
10
items.
Mr
jumper.
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
E
Yes,
I'm
just
happy
to
see
on
consent
agenda
item
three:
the
Assad
installation
of
the
soccer
field
number
four:
it's
going
to
give
another
field
to
the
area
to
Discovery
Park,
which
is
a
good
and
helping
all
the
different
activities
that
happen
over
there.
So
thank
you.
A
A
B
M
A
O
This
is
something
we've
all
been
waiting
for
because
of
the
timing
issue,
so
I'm
gonna
have
Bob
Roberson
start
out.
Janine
is
going
to
also
be
available
if
there's
some
questions
about
the
bids
in
the
bid
process.
So
I'll
start
off
with
Bob
about
this
project,
a
brief
overview
of
what
it's
done
and
finally
going
to
bid
and
getting
this
started.
T
Thank
you
Mark
good
evening,
mayor
Commissioners,
I'm,
Bob,
Robertson
project
administration
department,
director
for
this
item,
we're
requesting
the
board's
approval
to
award
a
contract
to
AJ
General
Construction
Services
for
the
MLK
Junior.
Excuse
me:
mlkjunior.com
Drive,
South,
Spring,
Boulevard
intersection
improvements
project.
T
As
a
reminder,
this
project
will
address
flooding
and
safety
at
this
intersection
by
raising
the
elevation
of
the
road.
It's
also
going
to
add
new
stormwater
drainage
infrastructure
and
check
valves
and
adjust
the
intersection
geometry
to
make
it
a
smoother
and
safer
four-way
stop
the
amount
of
the
contract
is
one
million.
Seventy
one
thousand
six
hundred
dollars,
the
bulk
of
which
is
funded
by
a
grant
from
the
state
of
Florida
and
Federal
arpa
grant
funds.
T
This
is
a
contractor
that
we've
not
worked
with
yet
so
we
did
check
references
and
we
did
ever
and
everything
appears
to
check
out.
We
know
that
they
are
a
pre-qualified
fdot
contractor
for
drainage,
grading
and
sidewalks.
We
also
conducted
a
post-big
meeting
with
the
procurement
in
our
engineer
of
record
and
the
contractor
to
confirm
their
knowledge
and
commitment
matches
the
the
goals
of
this
project
so
mayor.
That's
all
my
for
my
Preamble
back
to
you.
AE
Good
evening,
mayor
and
Commissioners,
my
concern
is
only
the
timing
of
this
particularly
hurricane
season.
We
tear
up
that
road.
Is
it
going
to
be
torn
up
when,
if
there's
a
hurricane
say
in
October
and
people
are
having
to
leave,
and
you
know
it's
a
mess
out
there?
How
long?
When
can
we
start?
How
long
is
it
going
to
take
in
what
accommodation
is
going
to
be
made
for
traffic
and
the
heavy
equipment?
That's
going
to
be
right
there?
Where
are
you
going
to
place
it
all
that
kind
of
stuff?
T
L
T
We
wouldn't
even
start
we
when
you
see
the
first
mobilization
until
September,
so
I
feel
like
by
the
time
they
get
fully
mobilized,
they're,
probably
not
going
to
have
too
much
risk
of
hurricane
I,
understand
that's
the
height
of
hurricane
season,
but
we
won't
require
them
to
make
accommodations
for
storm
prep.
We
do
that
with
all
our
contractors.
T
AE
T
Sure
so,
for
this
intersection
there
are
two
stormwater
outfalls
and
the
way
it
works
now
is
when
The
Tide
Rises
water
can
back
right
up
into
through
the
storm
drains
and
it
floods
the
road.
So
what
we're
doing
is
two
things:
we're
raising
the
road
so
that,
if,
if
there
were
to
be
over
topping,
it
would
be
at
a
higher
elevation
in
the
in
the
intersection
wouldn't
flood
as
frequently
and
secondly,
those
pipes
that
discharge
into
the
Bayou
now
have
check
valves.
T
A
I
think
Ms
Coburn
I
appreciate
all
your
questions,
but
honestly
we
just
you
know
we
need
to
get
it
done,
but
I
I
want
to
say
it's
one
of
these
that
I'm
still
I
I
don't
want
to
exude
confidence
because
I
I'm
going
to
be
holding
my
breath
I'll
be
happy
the
day
this
job
is
completed
and
it's
working
properly.
The
staff
knows
how
I
feel
about
it,
and
and
but
thank
you
for
your
your
questions.
Yeah
yeah.
A
Let
me
just
start
this
one.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
bearing
up
bearing
with
me
as
far
as
being
patient
with
all
of
my
questions
and
even
to
fleshing
out
additional
information
concerning
the
contractor.
I
at
this
point,
I
can
I
I
can
assure
I
can
actually
State
publicly
that
if
something
goes
wrong
with
this
project,
that
isn't
because
we
didn't
do
our
due
diligence
concerning
the
contractor,
so
I'm
very
satisfied
with
that
and
I
do
know
that
the
project
I
think
was
I
thought.
A
Maybe
it
was
210
days
and
and
now
it's
180
days
or
six
months
and
and
we're
going
to
get
started
a
little
later
than
sooner
I
would
is
basically
what
we're
saying
right,
because
we
need
to
finish
up
some
work
at
mirrors
that,
yes,
sir
okay,
I
I,
think
the
timing
is
important.
I
know
in
the
communications
that
I
saw
between
Ms
Lewis
and
the
contractor
there's
certain
things
that
he
can
do,
for
example,
address
the
drainage
issues
first
and
leave
the
road
intact.
A
I
think
that
would
be
consistent
with
what
Ms
Coburn
was
addressing
so
I'd
like
to
for
us
to
make
sure
that
we
are
his
resource,
the
contractor's
resource.
So
he
knows
that
we
can
basically
give
him
a
sense
of
our
area.
What
he's
going
to
have
to
deal
with
also
I
know:
Mr
function
has
a
schedule
of
of
days
that
could
be
potential
flood
days
for
that
area.
A
I'd
like
for
us
to
make
sure
we
share
that
information
with
him,
so
that
he
knows
when
to
expect
that
that
intersection
may
be
flooding
if
it's
flooding
he's
not
going
to
be
able
to
work
there.
So
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
I
think
there's
going
to
have
to
be
coordination,
I
think
he's
going
to
from
what
I
can
see
he's
a
good
contractor,
but
also
we
need
to
supplement
him
with
local
knowledge
to
make
sure
his
job
is
done
and
and
minimizes
any
problems
that
we
have.
L
T
Any
other
situation
with
or
without
the
check
valves,
if
you
have
a
high
tide
and
you
have
a
rain
event,
you're
going
to
have
flooding
that
unless
you
have
major
pump
stations,
that's
unavoidable!
But
if
you
have
your
typical
situation,
where
you've
got
a
rain
event
and
the
tide
is
low,
it's
going
to
drain
right
through
it
as
if
it
was
an
open
pipe.
T
At
this
time,
no
it's
something
that
we
could
look
at
retrofitting,
but
not
now
and
again,
back
to
your
your
first
point,
the
way
we
can
help
mitigate
and
why
part
of
this
project
is
raising
the
elevation
of
the
intersection
we
mitigate
that
flooding
by
bringing
the
road
up
higher
so
that,
if
it
does,
if
you
do
have
a
title
event,
you
have
a
road
in
it
now
is
at
four
feet
instead
of
1.8
feet,.
AA
F
F
You
know
they
have
the
salt
water
there
so
I
mean
I
I
would
try
somewhere
down
the
road
to
see
if
we
could
possibly
put
in
some
sort
of
you
know
small
pumping
system
so
as
to
move
that
water,
that
is
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
what
you
have
as
far
as
a
a
grading,
possibly
along
MLK,
where
the
water
can
run
into
that
and
just
have
a
small
sump
pump
that
can
push
that
water
to
the
you
know
to
the
Bayou
rather
than
having
it
sit
there
because
I'd
hate
to
just
do
all
this
and
then
just
create
another
problem,
and
you
know
where
I'm
coming
from
you
can
fix
one
thing
and
make
another
problem.
F
AA
T
So
the
average
is
now
right
around
1.9
feet
elevation
and
it's
going
to
go
up
to
four.
So.
AA
AA
That
it
is
that
we're
raising
the
intersection,
but
there's
four
well
three
roads
that
intersect
with
the
right,
so
Martin,
Luther
King
comes
downslope
into
that
intersection
as
I.
Remember.
If
we
raise
that
intersection,
then
we're
either
going
to
have
a
a
place
where
it
goes
down
and
goes
up
again
or
we're
going
to
have
to
raise
the
whole
of
Martin
Luther
King.
AA
Okay,
I've
got
I'd
like
to
see
the
design
of
that
I'd
want
to
pay
armchair
engineer
here,
but
I
will
anyway
I'm
I'm.
Also
a
fan
of
I
understand
the
check,
valves
and
so
forth.
I
also
understand
the
need
that
when
we
get,
you
know
Blue,
Sky
rain
or
whatever
they
call
it
when
we
get
heavy
rain
and
High
Tides.
AA
At
the
same
time
that
we
may
need
an
additional
Vault
pump
facility
to
to
force
water
out
that
check
valve
I
know
it's
probably
too
late
in
the
design
process
for
this
road,
but
we
definitely
need
to
start
considering
that
every
time
we
put
in
a
check
valve
because
there
isn't
a
place
that
I'm
aware
of
where
the
combination
of
the
two
wouldn't
result
in
flooding
again
and
as
it's
been
mentioned,
we
have
very
few.
AA
Evacuation
routes
from
the
west
side
of
the
city
to
get
out
as
it
is
now
Bayshore,
Martin,
Luther,
King
and
and
woodcomb
Road
itself,
leading
up
to
Martin
Luther
King
are
all
going
to
be
inundated.
AA
Riverside
Drive
between
Beckett
bridge
and
and
pretty
much
pretty
close
up
to
Kramer
is
going
to
be
underwater.
So
these
are
the
things
we
have
to
think
about.
When
we're
doing
this
design
is
we
are
going
to
get
a
combination
of
those
too.
It
will
probably
come
at
the
worst
time
for
us
to
get
our
residents
out
anyway.
Thank
you.
Sorry.
E
This
intersection
and
Mr
Robinson
has
made
it
clear
and
staff
as
well.
It's
this
project
is
not
going
to
solve
100
all
the
flood
issues
at
that
intersection.
You
know
it's
going
to
help
mitigate
a
big
portion
of
those
Storm
surges
that
you
see
during
the
summer
time,
but
as
he
stated,
there
could
be
a
certain
couple
situations
where
you
know
a
couple
times
a
year,
it's
still
high
and
to
design
to
have
that
fully
taken
care
of
I'm
sure
would
cost
a
lot
more
than
what
this
car.
E
What
this
bid
came
out
to
and
we've
seen
from
designs
about
doing
the
whole
witcom
Bayou
with
raising
raising
the
Bayou
and
Gates
and
Levee
systems,
it
can
range
from
a
few
million
to
40
50
million.
So
it's
it's.
What
we
as
a
city
can
can
afford
to
do
and
help
mitigate.
E
You
know
as
much
flooding
as
possible,
so
right
now
we're
at
this
stage.
I
know
that
the
timing
isn't
great
and
I
know
it's
an
inconvenience,
but
we
got
to
push
this
city
forward
and
these
Capital
Improvement
projects
have
to
happen
at
some
point
or
another,
and
so
it's
important
that
we
get
this
one
done
way
before
the
Beckett
Bridge
installation
even
occurs
so
that
we
can
have
one
at
least
one
route
to
get
out.
E
You
know
from
people
from
the
west
side
of
town
to
get
out
in
case
of
an
emergency,
so
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear.
This
isn't
the
end-all
fix-all
for
that
intersection.
It's
a
it's
a
start
in
the
right
direction
and
we
will
have
to
consider
some
other
stuff
in
the
future,
but
that's
going
to
come
at
a
big
cost
that
we
still
have
to
decide
and
talk
about
how
we
want
to
handle.
So.
Thank
you
all.
Thank.
D
Get
those
names
mixed
up
so
so
I've
got
three
questions
for
you.
Have
we
used
this
contractor
before?
No,
what
due
diligence
have
we
done
on
their
timeliness
and
abilities?
So.
T
D
T
D
Sir,
and
obviously
that
goes
to
what
commissioner
culias
was
talking
about
when
because
we've
got
to
coordinate
this
with
the
Beckett
Bridge,
because
that
would
be
a
nightmare
to
have
both
those
intersections
out
absolutely
that
bridge
out
and
that
intersection
being
worked
on,
that
would
be
a
an
emergency
catastrophe
right.
It.
D
Be
a
big
problem,
so
that's
that's
really
important.
So
let
me
ask
this
might
be
a
Ron
Herring
question,
but
we
received
a
spreadsheet
of
all
the
projects
and
the
estimated
costs
and
then
where
they
were
coming
from
arpa
funds
and
other
sources
is
this:
is
this
number
one
million
seventy
one
thousand
six
hundred
more
than
what
was
on
your
original
spreadsheet,
Ron.
AF
L
AF
Evening,
mayor
commissions,
original
that
was
990
000.,
the
balance
is
coming
from
the
penny
fund.
D
D
F
T
Well,
I
guess
that
would
start
with
me
I
think,
probably
the
main
driver
for
that
is
it's
a
difference
between
what
was,
at
the
time
a
four
to
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
project
versus
what
if
we
looking
at
the
Sponge
Docks
of
four
million
dollar
project,
so
in
terms
of
cost
Effectiveness
and
functionality
bang
for
your
buck,
we
don't
necessarily
need
it
for
now.
T
F
Here's
what
I
have
to
ask
you
because
I
know
comparison
was
made
through
Whitcomb,
Bayou
and
now
comparisons
made
to
the
Sponge
Docks,
but
that's
not
what
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
for
this
the
type
of
pumping
system
that
we
would
need.
There
is
minute
in
cost
and
in
functionality
in
comparison,
it's
in
millions
to
deal
with
the
you
know
with
dodecanese,
because
we're
building
vaults
I
understand
that
that's
a
completely
different
project.
The
would
come
by
you
you're
talking
about
stopping
the
tide
from
coming
in
berms,
building
up
the
road
I'm.
F
Not
talking
about
that
here.
We're
correcting
the
problem,
but
we're
not
correcting
the
problem
that
it's
creating
and
I
believe
because
I
I
know
the
answer
to
this.
That's
why
I'm
asking
you
the
question
the
cost
to
put
in
a
sump
pump
a
powerful
sump
pump
is
not
a
lot
of
money.
Correct.
F
F
I,
don't
okay!
Well,
it's
it's
not
a
lot
of
money
in
in
the
realm
of
a
million
dollar
project.
It's
more!
So
so
that's
why
I'm
I'm
really
sticking
to
this,
because
I
I
really
don't
want
to
do
this
as
an
after
project.
I,
don't
want
to
do
it
as
a
forgotten
project,
because
I
know
we
have
so
many
other
things
that
you
know
when
you're
doing
it
is
the
time
to
do
it.
It's
it's
the
easiest!
You
build
a
little.
You
know
a
small
small
Vault,
the
pumping
system.
F
A
It
Let
me,
let
me
just
you
know
this
whole
thing
got
started
you
mentioned
around
about.
This
is
how
this
whole
thing
got
started
was
a
roundabout.
It
had
in
all
honesty,
I
was
a
commissioner
I
had
very
little
to
do
with
flooding.
The
flooding
was
the
means
to
get
the
roundabout
in
people
raised
their.
They
stated
the
concerns
the
roundabout
went
away
and
we
still
had
issues
with
flooding
in
that
area.
A
What
this
project
is
going
to
achieve-
and
you
heard
me
not
being
completely
confident
because
I
know
it's
not
going
to
fix
the
problem
is
be.
It
will
raise
the
intersection
to
make
that
intersection
passable
over
what
it
is
today
period.
That's
what's
going
to
happen,
what
I'm
waiting
to
see
and
then
also
that
our
check
valve
experience
hasn't
all
been
that
great
either.
A
So
we'll
see
what
we've
learned
from
that
and
and
we'll
see
how
this
works,
this,
this
implementation
of
the
check,
valves,
work
and
then
thirdly,
I'm
just
hoping,
because
my
big
concern
way
back
was
not
pushing
the
water
MLK
I
think
is
going
to
be
okay,
it's
spring
Boulevard.
Where
is
the
lower
area
and
I
was
hoping
that
we
don't
push
the
water
closer
towards
the
the
homes
along
that
area?
A
So
that's
why
I'm
waiting
to
see
I
know
that
this
isn't
going
to
be
anything
new
to
Mr
function
that
he's
going
to
have
to
deal
with
these
sort
of
things
and
and
I
know
that
our
expertise-
and
that
is
we-
we
learn
as
we've
been
going
within
with
each
new
incident,
and
we
need
I'm
going
to
say
a
little
bit
more
about
that
when
we
get
into
our
our
presentation
on
our
large
Project
funding
that
Mr
Herring
and
Mr
Cooley
or
commissioner
coulianos
are
going
to
report
on,
but
but
I
but
I
think
we
need
to
get
this
thing
done
to
raise
the
elevation
we
and
if
we
don't
do
it
now,
we
won't
make
it
before
the
bridge
gets
started
and
if
the
bridge
gets
started,
then
I
I
know
one
thing
for
sure:
people
will
be
driving
all
the
people
coming
from
the
west
side
of
town
will
be
driving
through
these
sunny
day
Tides.
A
T
B
A
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Robertson,
Ms
Lewis.
Thank
you.
O
To
you,
yeah
I'll
turn
over
Janita
real
fast.
You
see
Janine
and
Tom.
Of
course,
Tom
was
down
there
to
to
make
sure
we
got
the
date.
We
had
told
you
at
the
last
being
that
the
that
the
owner
has
said
it
was
going
to
be
done
by
the
first
of
the
month
and
my
goodness
it
was
so
Jimmy
if
you
just
want
to
go
over
real
fast.
O
What
were
what
were
approving
night,
because
I
think
they've
done
what
they've
said
they
were
going
to
do
and
what's
been
the
purpose
of
tonight's
meeting
in
the
approval.
AG
Director,
honorable
mayor
Commissioners,
good
evening,
basically
this
is
just
a
follow-up,
like
the
city
manager
mentioned
that
they
did
complete
their
renovation
and
construction
and
we're
technically
just
asking
for
the
approval
from
the
commission
to
continue
the
final
six
months
of
the
contract.
We
started
in
December
and
kind
of
gave
them
a
little
leeway.
Then
we
gave
them
another
leeway
in
March
to
finish
up
by
June
30th
and
the
initial
payments,
since
they
were
under
construction
in
June.
AG
We
didn't
provide
anything
so
now
we're
just
looking
for
the
final
approval
of
the
contract
for
this
year,
then
we'll
be
back
in
December.
A
You
commission
comments
I
see,
commissioner
Eisner
you've
got
your
light
on,
go
ahead.
F
Yes,
I
did
take
a
trip
over
I
did
look
at
the
bathrooms,
they're
really
done
well,
I
mean
I
only
have
one
little
suggestion,
I,
don't
know
if
I
would
have
put
pedestal
sinks
in
just
because
they
don't
hold
up
over
time
when
commercial
locations
because
they're
easily
broken,
but
you
know
the
bathrooms
per
se
the
tile
work,
the
toilets
everything
is,
you
know,
looks
pretty
good,
so
I
was
pretty
impressed.
I
I'm,
going
to
go
forward
with
this
all.
E
Yeah
I
just
want
to
thank
the
sport
and
City
staff
for
working
with
the
property
owners
and
giving
the
leeway
they
needed
because
we
needed
that
restroom.
We
need
to
be
able
to
share
that
restroom
with
down
there
for
all
the
tourists
and
it
worked
out
great
so
just
hats
off
to
everyone.
A
L
A
A
Yes,
item
nine
discussion,
Direction
on
financing
options
and
Alternatives
city
manager.
Of
course,
I
assume
Mr
Herring
is
going
to
start
this.
O
D
You
know
I
got
to
go
first,
so
so
I
want
to
thank
Ron
he's
Ron's
going
to
go
through
the
we
call
it.
The
Dragnet
fact
he's
going
to
give
you
the
facts.
Only
the
facts,
ma'am
and
then
I'm
going
to
interject
some
things
for
you
to
think
about
so
and
then
I
may
interject,
while
Ron's
talking
but
of
course,
but
go
ahead.
AF
Good
evening,
Ron
Herring
Finance
director,
and
this
will
be
the
Ron
and
John
show
here.
But
what
I
did
is
my
my
slides
going
on,
basically
just
to
show
you
the
current
debt
of
the
city,
some
information
on
the
debt
and
then
some
just
some
options
and
examples
I
put
together
for
you
all.
AF
This
is
the
current
debt.
This
is
a
utility
system,
Revenue
Bond
I,
try
not
to
go
through
everything,
but
it's
the
current
balance
over
highlighted
and
yellow
is
28.
28.6
million
on
that
is
28.6
million
p
and
I
annual
payments
are
about
2
million
a
year
interest
rate
3.59
percent,
it's
funded
by
the
Water
and
Sewer
fund
this
fund.
AF
What
this
Bond
was
a
public
offering
it
is
callable
just
started
this
year,
2023,
but
not
a
good
time
courting
our
financial
advisor
during
the
interest
rates
of
increase
Zone,
but
he's
monitoring
it
he's
on
our
list.
If
the
interest
rates
go
down,
he'll
get
with
us
and
see
about
trying
to
refund
these
Bond
issues
into
a
lower
rate.
AF
We
have
some
Capital
leases
on
fire
trucks,
three
of
them
currently
there's
stag
they're
five-year
terms,
they're
just
staggered
out
every
couple
years:
they
total
two
million
dollars.
We
did
these
the
penny
funds
so,
instead
of
having
a
fire
truck
hit
with
a
million
dollar
cost
every
time
we
bought
a
truck,
we
just
we
had
favorable
interest
rates
and
it
sort
of
levels
out
some
money
and
leaves
some
money
available
in
the
penny
fund
for
other
projects.
AF
Just
some
information
on
financing
we,
the
city,
tries
to
keep
financing
at
a
minimum.
We
don't
have
hardly
just
besides
the
capital
leases.
We
don't
have
much
in
the
way
of
governmental
financing,
in
fact,
I
think
we're
one
of
the
lowest
ones
in
the
areas
as
far
as
having
little
debt.
As
far
as
from
our
governmental
funds
are
you,
our
utility
system,
Revenue
Bond,
had
a
triple
a
double
A
minus
rating.
It's
still
holding
firm
with
that
rating.
AF
AF
There's
revenue
bonds,
which
is
backed
usually
by
one
specific
Source
like
the
penny
fund,
would
be
the
backing
for
a
revenue
Bond.
Then
there's
Covenant
the
budget
and
appropriate
bonds.
They're,
like
a
pool
of
all
the
governmental
revenues
that
can
be
used
to
support
it,
except
for
ad
Valerian
taxes,
and
it
doesn't
include
Enterprise
funds,
then
there's
a
general
obligation,
bonds,
which
are
backed
by
ad
Valerian
taxes
and
usually
require
a
separate
millage
rate
for
it
to
cover
it.
AF
I
put
together,
there's
just
some
examples
and
basically
coming
from
the
penny
fund
of,
say,
5
million
going
from
the
top
one
right
there.
Let's
say
five:
you
finance
5
million
for
six
years,
I
I
use
six
years,
because
there's
only
six
years
left
on
the
current
Penny,
we're
hoping
that
you
know
the
penny
has
been
over
overwhelmingly
renewed
at
four
times
now,
and
hopefully
it
will
be
for
a
fifth
time,
but
there's
only
six
years
left
on
the
current
penny,
four
percent
interest
rate
this
would
be
the
annual
p.
AF
I
total
interest
total
debt
service
and
I
put
this
in
here
too.
Just
to
show
that
of
this
annual
p,
I
it's
25
percent
of
Revenue,
so
it's
still
leaving
money
in
the
in
the
penny
fund
for
other
projects
and
then
five
million
for
ten
years
same
thing.
Four
percent
lower
panel
pni,
because
you're
only
going
10
years
and
which
means
you
only
use
in
16
of
the
penny
fund
and
the
same
sort
of
for
for
the
8
million.
For
six
and
ten
years
you
got
a
little
higher.
D
O
D
O
D
A
Let
me
just
jump
in
here
a
second
just
for
the
purpose
of
clarity.
So
everyone
understands:
can
we
just
do
Mr
Herring
first
and
can
complete,
and
then
you,
commissioner,
coulianis
and
then
bring
out
any
questions
concerning
commissioner
I
mean
Mr
herring's
presentation
once
we're
done
with
both
of
you.
L
L
AF
AF
Summation
this
slide
is
just
trying
to
show
the
different
examples:
what
the
five
million
of
financing
eight
Millions
10
million
over
this
either
six
and
ten
years
and
10
10
years,
the
annual
p
and
I
and
how
it
affects
the.
What
money
is
left
in,
what
how
much
money
it
uses
in
the
penny
fund
and
then
how
much
is
left
so
like
I,
say
if
you're
using
25
percent
to
cover
Debt
Service,
you
still
have
75
percent
of
the
penny
fund.
AF
AF
If
we
go
over
10
years,
the
best
thing
would
be
to
do
the
Covenant,
the
budget,
an
appropriate
Bond
if
it's
10
years
since
we
don't
know
for
sure
if
the
penny
will
be
renewed,
but
we
hope
so.
Current
annual
Penny
revenues
are
3.7
million.
They
increase
about
a
hundred
thousand
per
year
issuance
and
costs
out
of
revenues
bonds.
AF
AF
That's
your
fault,
so
I
did
the
5
million
at
six
years
of
four
percent,
eight
million
at
six
years
at
four
percent
in
the
10
million
a
lot
of
numbers
up
here.
But
what
are
the
showing
for
the
five
years
is
the
current
budgeted
expenditures
in
the
penny
fund,
2024,
25,
26,
27
28.,
and
what
I've
done
here
is
okay,
say
we're
doing
five
million
of
financing
for
six
years
at
four
percent:
here's
a
five
million
in
in
2024
that
can
be
spent
on
whatever
project
you
determine
here's
a
Debt
Service
for
that
five
million.
AF
Here's
the
other
projects
that
are
currently
budget
in
the
penny
fund
right
here
and
the
important
thing
down
at
the
bottom
is
showing
how
much
fund
balance
is
left.
After
all,
these
projects,
including
the
debt
service,
is
spent
so
we're
still
in
the
positive
at
the
end
of
24
we
have
163
thousand
60
604
025,
2.3
million
and
twenty
six
four
point
four
and
then
6.5
going
to
the
next
Slide.
The
only
difference
between
the
slides
is
now
we're
doing:
8
million
of
financing
for
six
years
at
four
percent.
AF
All
these
other
numbers
are
the
same,
but
here
we
got
8
million
for
projects
that
you
might
determine
on
what
you
want
to
spend
on
here's
a
Debt
Service,
which
is
more
than
the
previous
slide
at
the
1.5
million
annual
Debt
Service
and,
as
you
can
see
down
here,
it's
a
lower
about
a
money
left
for
fund
balance
in
the
penny
fund
than
the
previous
slide.
But
we're
still
in
the
positive
we
got
163
thousand
forty
three
forty
thousand,
then
we're
going
creeping
back
up
to
1.3,
2.7
and
4.3
up
through
fiscal
year
28.
AF
and
then
the
last
slide
of
examples
is
if
we
did
same
information
again:
10
million
of
financing
over
10
years
at
four
percent:
here's
10
million
for
the
projects,
here's
a
Debt
Service
for
the
annual
Debt
Service
lower
than
the
previous
slide,
because
we're
doing
10
years
now
same
projects
here
and
here's
the
ending
fund,
balance
of
money
still
available
to
spend
160
163
327
000,
1.8
million
3.5
and
5.4
million
and
I've
got
just
one
more
slide.
AF
Just
to
say,
you
know,
if
you're
choosing
to
do
financing
the
next
steps
would
be
to
determine
what
capital
projects
do
you
want
to
be
financed,
What's,
the
total
cost
of
the
capital
projects
and
then
I
would
start
working
with
a
financial
advisor
who
I
have
already
been
talking
to
for
a
couple
months
now
to
just
get
information
and
get
his
thoughts
and
and
contact
the
city
Bond
Council
on
the
financing
who
make
sure
all
the
legal
legal
aspects
of
financing
is
done.
AF
A
D
Time
you
want
anytime,
you
want
so
Ron
and
I
go
way
back,
so
we
we
don't
mind
bantering
a
little
bit
so
this
so
I'm
I'm,
giving
you
the
Paul
Harvey
part
the
rest
of
the
story,
and
these
are
just
concerns
that
you
all
need
to
be
aware
and-
and
most
of
this
is
for
the
residents
to
understand
this
slide
up
here
is
showing
the
you
can
see.
Our
millage
rate
has
not
increased
over
the
last,
since
what
2011.
D
Our
general
fund,
Revenue,
you
can
see,
has
gone,
has
kind
of
gone
with.
You
can
see
the
the.
How
does
this
thing
work.
AF
AF
D
AI
AH
D
So
here
here's
here's,
a
thing
that
stood
out
to
me:
I
went
to
all
the
budget
advisory
meetings
and
I
and
I
saw
this
presentation,
and
this
is
actually
Ron's
slide
and
you
can
see
here
at
2008
was
the
peak.
The
last
peak
of
us
assess
values,
taxable
values
in
Tarpon
Springs,
and
then
you
know
everyone
knows
what
happened
after
2008
we
had
a
considerable
drop,
so
it
went
from
1.9.
D
What
was
it
one?
One?
Was
it
one
billion
yeah,
one
billion
900
000
and
it
dropped
down
to
as
low
as
1
billion
two
hundred
thousand,
so
we
had
a
significant
drop.
You
can
see
that
we
have
this
and
and
remember
all
these
values.
These
assessed
values
are
in
arrears,
so
these
are
happening.
So
this
is
all
last
year's
data,
so
you
can
see
we're
at
a
peak,
and
everyone
knows
that
their
house
today
would
not
sell
for
what
it
would
have
sold
for
a
year
ago.
D
We
know
there's
been
a
drop,
so
we
know
this
number
is
either
going
to
considerably
flatten
or
start
coming
down,
and
if
we
experience
anything
like
2008,
then
that
drop
could
be
significant
and
then
you
can
see
the
what
that
meant
in
Revenue
decrease
as
we
dropped
1.5
million
in
revenue
from
the
the
peak
of
what
came
from
those
funds.
D
D
We
have
encumbered
already
12
million
one
hundred
ninety
seven
thousand.
We
have
unencumbered
remainder
funds
of
six
hundred
thousand.
Just
like
the
conversation
we
just
had
with
Mr
Roberts
Robertson
on
this
MLK
intersection
that
has
already
gone
up.
That
went
up
eight
percent
from
what
we
originally
anticipated.
D
So
if
we,
if
we
have
a
five
percent,
overage
cost
overrun
in
contracts,
then
we
would
have
basically
a
break
even
and
we
wouldn't
have
that
six
hundred
thousand
there,
and
even
if
we
have,
even
if
we're,
only
pulling
the
money
from
here
that
overage
has
got
to
come
from
somewhere
and
if
we're
ten
percent,
which
is
more
likely
and
we've
got
other
examples
of
some
significant
cost
overruns
over
what
we
anticipated.
D
We
would
actually
be
six
hundred
thousand
in
the
negative
which
it
would
be
if
10
percent
would
shoot
1.2
million
dollars
in
the
other
direction.
Again
those
funds
have
got
to
come
from
somewhere
and
that's
what
the
the
question
when
I
interrupted
him
so
rudely
it
was
that
again,
you
know
in
government
I,
don't
come
from
government
I
come
from
like
the
real
world.
D
L
D
So
here
is
the
our
overall
Revenue
going
back
to
2018.,
so
our
total
revenue-
and
this
is
really
our
budget-
was
56
million
to
59
million
61
63
66.,
we
had
a
big
jump
from
fiscal
year,
ended
2022
to
2023
up
about
13
percent
and
now
we're
the
budget
that
Mr
Herring
has
put
together
is
shows
a
pretty
much
a
stable
with
last
year.
But
we
also
know
that
some
that
some
of
the
the
pay
increases
most
likely
for
the
police
and
are
is
that
in
here.
Is
it
in
total
revenue.
D
Yes,
it
is
okay,
so
looks
like
we've
stabilized
anyways
for
that,
but
you
can
again,
we
can
see,
as
the
citizens
will
understand,
that
our
budget
in
in
about
six
seven
years
has
gone
from
56
to
76..
So
it's
it's
moving
up
and
again
we
can
account
for
it.
But
again
the
concern
goes
back
to
here.
D
D
I'm
sorry
I'm
having
this
thing,
the
battery
must
be
done.
Okay,
so
here's
here's
our
governmental
Reserve,
so
we
have
to
by
law,
maintain
a
20
percent
Reserve
requirement
based
on
our
general
governmental
activities
budget.
This
isn't
the
whole
budget,
but
this
is
the
general
General
governmental
activities
budget
and
it's
gone
from
24
25,
26,
27,
29
33.
D
Our
actual
the
amount
that
we
have
in
reserves
is
eight
was
eight
point,
eight
million
in
2018
and
it
has
remained
stable,
and
this
is
our
estimate
at
where
it
will
fall
in
September
and
it's
going
to
fall
again
right
at
the
8.8
million.
So
the
our
reserves
have
stayed
steady,
but
the
excess,
because
the
ACT,
because
our
spending
has
gone
up
the
excess
funds
are,
is,
is
coming
down.
So
it's
about
half
our
excess
funds
above
our
20
percent,
has
is
about
half
of
what
it
was
six
years
ago.
D
And
this
is
a
little
kind
of
a
sloppy
slide,
but
this
I
I
pulled
up
and
and
this
there
was
hundreds
of
these
and
it's
just
an
example
of
in
a
secondary
Market
of
other
municipalities
and
government
agencies
and
what
their
rates
are,
what
they're
paying
on
their
coupon
rates.
D
Now
these
all
these
bonds
here
are
selling
at
a
premium,
because
that
five
percent
is
actually
higher
than
what
the
actual
rate
would
be
right
now
and
runs
correct
it'd,
probably
be
in
the
at
four
or
maybe
in
the
low
fours.
But
you
can
see
that
most
of
the
and
the
government
like
they're
using
here
like
this,
was
pulled
for
a
a
school
board
build
building.
This
is
for
an
airport.
This
is
for
an
airport.
D
D
So
and
that
like
and
that's
similar
to
what
we
have
on
our
portfolio
of
bonds,
which
is
the
Water
Plant
and
things
of
that
nature.
Right
and
again,
the
important
factors
to
consider
before
incurring
any
more
debt
is
I'm
concerned
about
the
inflation
again
of
all
of
our
items
that
have
have
been
thought
of,
but
not
yet
spent
I
want
to
go
back
to
this
real
quick
of
this
12
million
dollars
in
the
arpa
fund.
Even
though
12
million
197
has
been
encumbered
according
to
Ron,
we've
only
spent
a
million.
N
D
D
So
let's
go
back
here
to
the
to
the
summary
again:
inflation
is
the
big
thing
we
just
got
it.
We
don't
I.
We
just
have
to
get
a
handle
on
what
all
these
costs,
these
overruns
for
outstanding
contracts
and
projects,
we've
got
increased
operating
budgets.
We've
got
a
possible
dropping
and
assessed
values
that
could
happen.
We
have
a
which
we
see
the
reduction
in
our
excess
reserves.
D
So
we
got
to
be
concerned
that
we
don't
that
that
we
don't
raise
government
so
high,
that
our
Reserve
issue
becomes
a
problem
and
and
and
I
think
we
all
got
a
phone
call
from
Tommy
on
possible
rate
increases
on
even
Water
and
Sewer
usage.
So
we
know
that
there's
going
to
be
a
direct
rate
increases
that
are
going
to
go
to
residents.
D
So
that's
it
I,
just
I.
Think
that
our
goal
here
was
to
lay
out
the
pro
the
ideas
and
and
Ron
had
a
has
definitely
has
ideas
on
how
to
pay
for
the
1.8
million
for
the
or
one
yeah,
the
1.8
million
for
the
Roosevelt,
without
having
to
borrow
money
that
we
do
have
the
funds
to
take
care
of
that
from
what
we
believe
is
available.
D
So
that
again
we
go
through
this
whole
budget
process,
with
the
understanding
that
these
are
some
facts
that
we
have
to
to
address
and
take
into
consideration
when
we
think
about
incurring
more
debt.
So
thank
you.
A
Let's
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
concerning
the
presentation.
F
Thank
you,
mayor,
I
did
look
at
this
and
I
think
we're
at
a
peak
of
our
interest
rates
and
inflation,
so
I
mean
unless
we
have
a
project.
That
is
pertinent.
That
really
has
to
be
done.
F
I'm,
leaning
towards
not
getting
involved
with
it,
unless
it
has
to
be
done,
because
of
literally
what
you
know
what
John
just
said,
commissioner
kuleanis
I'm,
commissioner
golianos
I'm,
sorry
I'm
not
looking
to
take
on
debt,
because
once
we
take
that
on
we're
stuck
with
it,
if
it's
something
that
is
an
emergency
or
something
that
really
we
need
to
get
done,
I
just
I
think
waiting
is
is
a
because
we
still
there's
other
things
that
have
come
up
that
you
know
we
still
haven't
dealt
with
the
the
Spring
Bayou
we
still
haven't
dealt
with
the
Sponge
Docks
with
the
volts.
F
A
Okay,
I'm
going
to
go
to
this
side
vice
mayor
lawn.
AA
It's
incredible
they're,
not
they've,
got
to
level
out
at
some
particular
time
nobody's
going
to
be
able
to
sustain
this
level
at
some
time
again
with
the
the
property
market
and
our
and
our
taxes,
as
as
John
pointed
out,
we're
starting
to
see
that
kind
of
trend
down
a
little
bit.
AA
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
do
a
repeat
of
of
you
know
the
the
early
2000s
or
the
2008
type
stuff,
where
we
see
a
real
big
dip.
I
think
there's
just
too
much
support
right
now
for
that,
but
I'd
like
to
see
it
settle
out
a
bit
more
rather
than
making
your
decision
in
2023
I
think
we
may
want
to
end
this
off
to
2024.
Do
we
have
a
maybe
a
clear
outlook
on
what's
coming
up?
AA
You
know,
there's
there's
reasons
that
cities
Bond
themselves
into
debt
and
they're
typically
for
projects
that
there's
no
way
they
could
ever
get
them
done
without
doing
that,
just
like
our
Ro
plant
people's
City
Halls,
just
major
construction
projects
that
take
up
to
20
or
25
percent
of
the
the
city's
total
budget
and
I,
don't
see
anything
like
that
on
for
us
on
the
horizon
right
now,
The
Whitcomb,
Bayou
project
sort
of
comes
to
mind
because
that's
really
expensive.
AA
That
only
serves
a
small
part
of
our
population.
However,
things
like
the
much
needed,
expanded,
Recreation,
Sports,
Center
pool
stuff
that
the
residents
quite
frankly
have
been
asking
for
for
as
long
as
I've
been
listening
to
them,
which
has
been
a
while,
certainly
bear
more
scrutiny,
I
mean
we,
we
can't
say
well,
we
can
say
well,
yeah
put
a
Rec
Center
or
whatever
expanded
recreation
facility
and
and
courts
and
stuff
like
that
on
the
landfill.
AA
But
we
don't
even
know
if
we're
allowed
to
do
that
yet
because
we
don't
have
any
engineering
that
says.
Yes,
we
can
build
that,
so
those
kind
of
things
need
to
be
done
in
advance
at
any
rate,
I'm
kind
of
on
the
hold,
but
thank
you,
Mr
coulias.
E
Yeah
I
have
the
same
concerns
as
the
board
members
here,
but
we
have
to
identify
if
there
are
any
projects
that
do
need
to
be
bonded
and
if,
if
it
does
need
to
happen
which
I'm,
hesitant
I
would
prefer
the
six
year
terms,
just
because
some
of
us
board
members
may
be
on
the
board
here,
another
you
know
again
would
for
another
two
and
a
half
to
you
know,
five
years
or
so,
and
so
I
think
we
should
be
stuck
with
having
to
work
with
the
budget
or
any
Capital
Improvement
projects
from
you
know
a
bond
that
we
we
took
out
as
opposed
to
a
10-year
term.
E
That
would
extend
it
into
future
boards
and
and
future
budgets.
So
we
would
learn
how
to
work
with
that
situation,
but
I.
Just
let's
see
if
we
can
identify
something.
But
you
know
we
promise
to
fix
the
roads
and
sewers
and
floods,
and
so,
let's
see
if
we
can
come
into
it
without
going
through
a
bond.
L
D
I,
you
know
I
I,
the
vice
mayor
was
succinct
in
in
the
and
that's
what
I
tried
to
show
on
the
when
I
showed
those
various
bonds
that
other
municipalities
have
issued.
They're,
usually
big
projects,
airports,
water
treatment
plants
like
we
did
I-
think
the
the
thing
that
comes
to
mind
that
I
would
think
would
warrant
the
debt
would
be
the
fixing
the
rest
of
the
Bayou
I
think
that's
a
pretty
critical
thing,
because
that
is
the
focal
point
of
our
town.
D
D
So
something
along
that
line.
That's
that's
of
such
significance.
That
would
be
of
benefit
for
everyone
going
forward,
for
you
know
the
next
20
years
and
it
would
warrant
the
debt
because
the
debt,
what
we
don't
want
to
do,
is
it's
like
you.
You
go
buy
a
car
on
a
10-year
note
and,
and
you
and
the
car
is
a
jalopy
after
six
years,
so
you're
paying
on
a
car.
That's
of
no
value
to
you,
so
that's
that's
what
you
got
to
be
concerned
with,
so
something
like
again
completing
our
that
value.
D
That's
going
to
be
of
benefit
as
long
as
the
bond
any
even
if
we
win
30
years,
it's
going
to
be
of
benefit
so
if
we
hand
that
off
that
debt
off
to
the
next
to
another
commission
they're
getting
that
benefit
as
well,
so
I
agree
with
commissioner
kulias
as
well,
because
if,
if
we
go
into
debt
we
don't
want
the
debt
to
pass
on
to
another
board
again
where
the
benefit
was
short
term.
So
thank
you.
A
Okay,
I
sat
down
with
Mr
Herring
just
to
try
and
get
an
understanding
of
what
the
objective
for
this
evening
was,
and
obviously
I
can't
talk
to
him.
Commissioner
coulianis
about
it,
but
he
the
whole
idea
was
just
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
for
funding
challenges
and
I
call
it
large
Project
funding
and
some
of
the
debt
that,
with
the
ramifications,
would
be
in
the
consequences
for
that
as
far
as
encumbering
future
revenues
and
then
the
other
part
of
that
story,
and
then
the
the
last
question
that
Mr
Herring
had
was.
A
Okay,
now
I've
showed
y'all
what
we
can
do
as
far
as
the
cost
of
borrowing
money.
You
all
need
to
tell
me
what
is
it
that
you
all
want
to
do
and
then
I
can
put
the
two
together
and
kind
of
give
you
what
the
bottom
line
is.
So
from
my
perspective,
right
now,
I'm,
not
ready
to
kind
of
say,
make
up,
give
an
opinion
one
way
or
the
other
until
we
actually
go
through
the
budget.
A
AI
AI
Two
two
things:
the
delay
in
building
was
put
out
about
two
years
in
the
rising
cost
of
the
trucks
jumping
at
the
time.
There's
a
general
increase
of
three
percent
normally
on
the
fire
trucks,
but
they
were
seeing
15
and
20
percent
price
increases
at
the
time.
So
we're
trying
to
get
ahead
of
the
game
time
wise
and
cost
okay.
A
So
there's
20
percent
is
what
we're
looking
at
for
that,
and
then
also
commissioner
quillianos
mentioned
the
the
trail
there
at
the
north
end
of
town.
We've
also
got
the
chief
young,
the
fire
station.
What
was
our
do
you
you're
involved
in
that
too
right
we
are.
The
the
original
estimate
was
on
based
on
last
year's
numbers
and
what
we
have
this
year.
Both
you
and
Ron
can
work
this
one
out.
AF
AI
We
just
received
one
cost
estimate
at
30
percent
we're
going
to
another
cost
estimate
coming
in.
A
AI
X
A
Million
okay
and
then
also
the
one
thing
that
we've
talked
about,
which
is
something
that
is
important
to
a
lot
of
people,
is
the
the
cops
and
kids
center
which
isn't
even
in
our.
We
haven't
even
allocated
funds
for
that.
Yet
right,
Mr,
Herring.
A
Construction:
five
million
dollar,
whatever
it
is,
the
price
tag
you're
looking
at
I
I-
think
the
key
is
that
there
are
projects
that
we
don't
have
funding
for.
That
may
or
may
not
be
important.
You
know
so
my
point
is
Mr
Herring
and
commissioner
coulianis
provided
us
the
front
side
as
far
as
what
our
capacity
is
for
paying
for
things,
including
the
debt,
there's
the
backside
of
what
we
want
to
do
and
then
there's
the
third
thing,
which
is
really
the
probably
the
most
important
I,
think
all
of
y'all
alluded
to.
A
It
is
creating
some
kind
of
a
a
a
strategy
as
far
as
priorities,
there's
no
way
and
I
asked
for
city
manager.
Of
course,
today
we
did
do
a
shopping
I,
don't
call
it
a
shopping
list,
but
basically
a
list
of
all
the
CIP
Big
Ticket
items.
I.
Think,
commissioner,
when
you
mentioned
30
million
dollars
on
wood
can
buy
you
you
weren't
far
off
on
that.
So
that's
something
that
we
can't
just
dip
into
our
cash
and
pay
for
same
thing.
A
With
the
cops
and
kids
program,
five
million
dollars
is
not
anything
we
can
go
just
go,
get
the
increase
in
fire
trucks,
police
vehicles,
seven
police
vehicles
every
year.
Those
are
going
to
go
up,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
things
that
are
going
up
and
and
these
many
of
these
things
we
we
have
to
keep
up
with.
If
we
don't
keep
up
with
it,
it's
we're
going
to
pay
the
price
dearly.
So
the
idea
is
to
develop
some
kind
of
a
strategy
and
I.
A
Don't
we
need
to
do
that
sooner
than
later,
and
so,
if
y'all
can
start
thinking
about
that
and
I'm
hoping
that
I
asked
the
city
manager
if
he
can
provide
us,
go
back
and
dig
up
that
list
of
things
that
we
that
were
kind
of
like
I,
asked
him
at
one
time
put
down
everything
that
we
need.
You
know
the
Whitcomb
by
you
the
everything
else.
As
far
as
what
estimated
costs
the
best
numbers
that
we
have
right
now,
let's
actually
look
at
the
amounts
and
that's
what
kind
of
got
us
started
on
this.
A
This
whole
discussion
right
now
of
large
Project
funding.
I
know
we
can't
afford
it
all,
so
there's
got
to
be
a
priority,
and
and
and
and
on
top
of
that,
the
what
I
mean
by
priority
is
there's
things
that
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
tough
situation
where
residents
are
going
to
want
something.
But
it's
not
going
to
be
in
terms
of
a
priority,
and
what
this
commission
is
going
to
have
to
decide
is.
Are
those
things
going
to
go
to
the
to
the
voters
to
tell
to
ask
them?
A
You
know:
is
this
important
for
you
to
have,
and
if
so,
this
is
what
it's
going
to
cost
for
us
to
borrow
and
in
in
in
in
my
from
my
perspective,
if
there
is
something
that
the
other
part
of
it
is
the
second
half
of
the
sidewalks
commissioner
coulianos
mentioned
from
the
from
the
city
dock
to
the
north
and
west.
We
don't
have
funding
for
that
right
now.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
right
now
that
seem
to
be
important.
A
We
feel
that
they're
important,
but
we
just
don't,
have
the
money
to
pay
for
it,
and
we
know
what
the
risks
are
and
and
the
potential
for
doing
that.
So
we
need
to
have
a
strategy
and-
and
from
my
perspective,
I
don't
have
an
issue
going
for
longer
term
debt.
As
long
as
the
residents
approve
it,
you
know
if
it's,
if
it's
something
that
we
need,
let's
say
some
15
million
dollar
project
and
even
even
that
we
could
pay
for
it
in
less
than
10
years.
A
I
think
that's
something
that
we
need
to
go
to
the
residence
and
ask
them.
Is
this
important
for
enough
for
you
to
for
us
to
go
ahead
and
borrow
that
money
once
that
happens,
it
doesn't
matter
whether
it's
this
commission
sitting
here
or
some
other
personality
sitting
there
in
the
future.
This
is
what
the
voters
wanted.
So
that's
how
I'd
like
to
approach
it,
but
anyway,
that's
all
I
want
to
say
about
this.
I
think
it
was
an
excellent
job.
Go
ahead,
commissioner,
Eisner
yeah.
F
AI
Yes,
Pasco
County
is
building
a
fire
station.
I
heard
the
other
day
that
they
their
contractor,
left
the
job
and
was
sitting
there.
So
no,
no
specifics
of
it
or
if
it's
you
know,
100
percent
is
what's
going
on,
but
that's
out
there
I
mean
contractors
are
having
a
hard
time
today,
too.
Keeping
up
so.
F
You
know
it's
a
very,
very
difficult
time
to
get
into
things
that
are
not
mandatory
for
us.
It's
just
not.
In
my
opinion,
it's
just
not
a
good
time
to
speculate
right.
So,
okay,.
D
X
D
D
Is
we
have?
We
were
elected
to
make
a
lot
of
the
tough
decisions?
We
can't
kick
it
to
Citizens
because,
let's
just
be
honest,
they
and
I've.
Had
this
talk
with
the
city
manager
before
they're,
you
know
the
we
send
to
the
citizens
to
approve
things.
We
know
we
can
afford.
Okay,
they
don't
have
all
the
data
we
have,
they
don't
have
it
when
they,
when
it
says
we're
buying.
We
want
to
buy
the
Roosevelt
property
for
1.8
million,
there's
not
a
qualifier
at
the
bottom.
D
That
says:
oh
by
the
way,
we
don't
have
the
money
for
it.
Okay,
we
don't
throw
that
on
there.
We
say
we
got,
and
so
when
they
see
it
on
a
ballot,
they
believe
we
have
already
made
that
we
have
figured
out
how
to
pay
for
it.
So
I
appreciate
sending
things
to
Citizens
and
having
citizens
make
decisions,
but
we
were
elected
to
make
those
hard
choices
and
what
we
send
to
them
is
only
things
we
have
vetted
properly
and
we
know
how
we're
paying
for
them.
So
that's
that's
hard.
A
A
If
that's
the
case,
then
then
it's
a
chartered
decision
and
the
question
is,
do
you
want
to
borrow?
Does
the
do
the
residents
want
to
borrow
X
number
of
dollars
for
this?
That
answers
the
question
of
how
much
it's
costs
and
also
we
don't
have
the
money
to
pay
for
it.
We're
asking
you
do
you
want
us
to
borrow
it
so
I
understand
that
we
we
can
go
back
and
forth.
A
A
I
understand
all
that
I'm
going
to
be
completely
honest
with
you,
I'm,
never
going
to
say
I,
say
I'm
going
to
second
guess
what
the
residents
want:
I'm,
never
going
to
say
that
I'm,
smarter
than
them
and
and
I'm
going
to
make
a
decision
for
them
and
they
may
just
decide
well.
This
is
something
we
really
really
want.
Contrary
to.
A
D
Basically
I
mean
that's
what
you're
inferring
I'm
saying
that
and
that's
not
what
I'm
saying
I'm
saying
we
make
a
decision.
We
are
elected
to
to
send
to
them
the
things
we
believe
we
have
vetted
properly
and
that
we
can
afford.
AH
A
It
may
not
happen,
but
it
may
happen
and
I'm
I'm
all
I'm
getting
at
is
that
it
would
be
our
job
to
educate
them
to
share
with
them
as
much
information
that
we
have
and
I'm,
not
about
to
say,
I'm
not
going
to
send
something
to
the
commission
or
to
the
voters,
because
we're
here
to
vet
something
and
only
send
them
on
things
that
we
can
afford.
There
may
be
some
things
that
we
can't
afford
that
they're
going
to
have
to
weigh
in
on
as
our
Charter
as
our
Charter
States.
A
That's
all
vice
mayor
alone,
you
know.
AA
I'm
I'm
listening
to
this
conversation
and
parts
of
me
agree
with
both
of
you
right
exactly
from
my
perspective.
The
citizens
can
tell
us
what
they
want.
The
citizens
can
tell
us
what
they
need.
It's
our
job
to
make
that
happen.
That's
what
we're
here,
for
we
have
to
make
it
in
a
responsible,
pragmatic
fashion.
So
I
mean
citizens
come
up
and
say
they
want
the
world.
AA
But
if
it's,
if
it's
not
a
practical,
pragmatic
thing
for
the
city
to
do
it's
not
going
to
happen
so,
while
I
don't
believe,
we
could
take
everything
to
the
citizens
to
making
decisions
because
a
lot
of
times
citizens
are
going
to
make
more
emotional
choices
than
us,
with
all
the
facts
and
figures
that
we
that
we
get
in
background
I
do
believe
we
should
listen
to
what
the
citizens
want.
I
do
believe.
AA
We
should
listen
very
closely
to
what
the
Citizens
need,
but
I
think,
as
as
commissioner
curios
was
was
pointing
out.
Is
it
takes
the
pragmatic
group
of
us
to
to
sit
there
and
analyze
things
and
make
decision?
Is
an
elected
representative
that
this
is
the
most
responsible
way
to
accomplish?
What
the
citizens
want
and
need
that's.
A
All
right,
what
I
wanted
to
say
was
I
think
it
was
an
out
to
finish
up
before
coming.
I
turned
it
over
commissioner
Eisner
I
think
what
was
done
tonight
was
an
outstanding
effort
on
the
front
half
we're
going
to
start
looking
at
the
budget
as
far
as
what
projects
are
going
to
cost
what
we
have
to
do,
what
we
have
available
as
far
as
funding
some
of
these
projects
and
we'll
make
decisions
as
we
go
along
as
far
as
how
we
want
to
approach
it.
That's
all
it's
good
all
right,
Fair,
all
right!
O
Yes
by
the
charter,
I
have
to
bring
my
appointments
of
directors
before
you.
This
is
the
position
of
building
development
director
from
Mr
Kevin
Powell.
We
were
very
lucky
when
Mr
Powell
gave
us
his
resignation
that
he
agreed
to
stay
on
and
put
that
ending
date
on
hold
because
he
knew
of
the
difficulty.
It
was
probably
going
to
be
to
find
somebody
for
this
job
and
we
did
a
very
thorough
reach
out
throughout
the
state
for
this
position
and
we
only
came
up
with
two
qualified
candidates
and
we
were
lucky
they're.
O
Both
it
worked
for
us
or
it
worked
for
us
before
Mr
Dave
Gilson
is
the
one
I
negotiate
and
want
to
offer
the
job
you
can
see.
He
worked
here
for
six
years.
He
left
here
as
Deputy,
building
officially
left
to
for
advancement
of
the
building
official
on
the
play
he
left
for
advance
and
Mr
Mr
Powell.
We
anticipated
Mr
Powell
to
be
here.
You
know
not
forever,
but
for
a
long
time.
O
So
he
took
the
opportunity
in
2020
to
go
move
forward
and
actually
be
the
building
official
you
have
on
here,
the
terms
of
negotiating
which
believe
me,
if
you
talk
to
other
cities
like
I,
did
at
the
city
managers
conference
in
May,
many
of
them
who
are
looking
for
this,
but
could
not
find
somebody
for
the
job
and
are
having
to
contract
with
third-party
vendors
that
double
this
cost
you're,
seeing
in
my
backup
and
they're
paying
double
the
contract.
O
The
third
party,
because
a
lot
of
people
in
the
field
have
been
hired
away
from
cities,
work
for
these
contractors
and
they
and
the
person
they
were
for
make
a
whole
bunch
of
monies.
This
is
one
of
the
toughest
jobs
in
the
state
to
find
and
fill
I
think
we
got
a
good
Hometown
discount
from
Mr
Gilson
I
believe
he's
making
125
now
and
could
probably
ride
his
ticket
for
some
more
other
places,
but
he
wanted
to
come
back
to
tarpment,
which
he
knows
he
knows
the
people
here.
O
F
I'm
thrilled
that
he's
willing
to
come
and
work
for
us.
My
only
comment
that
I'd
make
is
I.
Would
you
know
I
know
he's
jumped
around
a
little
bit
and
I'd
like
to
you
know:
have
him
make
a
real
good
commitment
that
he
would
stay
with
us?
You
know
for
a
period
of
time
and
that's
pretty
much
I've
said
that
to
the
city
manager,
I,
just
don't
want
to
go
through,
people
have
them
trained,
know
our
town,
which
I
know
he
does
and
and
then
you
know,
move
on.
AF
AA
AA
Pinellas
he
does
live
in
North,
Pinellas,
County,
Okay,
so
I
understand
as
well.
That
he's
he's
jumped
around
a
bit
and
I,
don't
think
that's
mid-career
or
mid
late
career
I,
don't
think
that's
totally
untenable.
I
mean
if
I
was
doing
the
same
job
and
I
looked
for
opportunity
and
I
wanted
progression
and
I
was
in
a
position
where
that
wasn't
going
to
happen
for
several
years.
I'd
look
elsewhere
as
well.
AA
A
little
bit
to
do
with
the
fact
that
that
you
know
where
he's
coming
from
just
lost
a
lot
of
their
home
rule
on
certain
things
that
were
in
the
building
department.
That
would
force
me
to
to
have
pause
about
my
future
as
well,
so
I'm
I'm
I'm
in
in
all
of
that
considered
when
I
looked
into
it,
I'm
I'm,
actually
in
agreement,
I
think
we
should
hire
him
back.
E
Yes,
mayor,
if
you
guys
get
a
chance
to
get
with
the
city
managers
to
learn
a
little
bit
of
the
background
regarding
the
building
department
and
the
current
situation
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
fit.
Bringing
someone
in
is
looking
at
his
resume.
E
He
has
reasons
for,
for
where
stuff
did
and
didn't
work
out
and
eventually
looking
to
come
back
home
and
it's
either
that
or
we
get
a
third
party
vendor
and
pay
three
times
the
amount
for
you
know,
building
Consulting
Services,
which
we
don't
want
so
that
Mr
Gilson's
our
guy
now
and
happy
to
see
the
ability,
Department
move
forward
and
for
us
to
find
ways
to
continue
to
help
the
building
department
flourish.
Thank.
A
You
all
right,
if
may
I,
have
a
motion
in
a
second
motion
to
approve.
Second,
if
there's
no
further
comments,
roll
call
please.
D
O
This
is
also
something
that
that
is
by
Charter
and
even
some
housekeeping
and
things
doing.
I
realized
that
I
neglected
to
replace
Bob
coach
and
who
was
on
this
list
of
three
that
I
presented
back
and
forth
of
three
people
and
I
realized,
and
as
some
of
you
and
some
of
you
know,
we
also
have
one
of
my
choices
on
here
retiring
by
the
end
of
the
year.
So
I
only
had
two
people
on
there
with
vacation
time
and
everything
else.
O
You
know
I've,
given
the
board
three
in
the
past,
I
only
had
two,
because
I
hadn't
replaced
Bob
coach,
and
so
my
recommendation
to
you
to
add
to
the
list
of
of
of
people
who
I
make
city
manager
which
is
again
per
the
charter.
It
also
says
in
the
charter
that
the
commission
can
any
time
if
it's
for
a
longer
period
than
my
vacation,
then
change
that
it's
not.
The
commission
is
not
set
by
that.
O
But
to
do
that
fire
chief
Scott
young,
is
the
one
I
recommend
to
take
the
place
and
be
on
that
list
of
three
that
for
my
absences
for
conferences,
Vacations
or
or
whatever
purposes,
which
are
all
short-term
absences,
you
know
not
long
and
again,
if
there's
a
case
of
a
long-term
absence
or
something
like
that,
the
commission
would
always
have
a
chance
to
designate
who
they
saw
fit,
but
the
housekeep
and
the
keep
up
my
three
on
the
list
to
bring
forward.
O
For
instance,
if
Mr
Smith
is
not
available
to
serve
that
which
he
is
the
primary
one
that
serves
that
I
need
your
approval
to
to
place
him
on
on
the
list
of
three
that
I
have
to
designated
as
acting
city
manager.
In
my
absence.
AA
Yeah
go
ahead.
Vice
president
I
I
guess:
I
I
know
you
probably
vetted
this
already,
but
for
my
edification,
if
Paul's
not
available,
do
you
have
enough
slack
Scott
to
be
able
to
to
to
do
this.
S
O
That's
okay!
No,
because
because
I
want
him
to
say
too,
because
that's
important
thing
in
my
consideration,
he
was
a
lucky
he's
lucky
enough
to
when
I
served
in
his
capacity
for
what
was
supposed
to
be
six
months
but
ended
up
eight
years,
I
had
the
strong
ability
of
the
people
under
me,
my
second
in
command,
my
third
in
command,
my
Jane
Scott's
advantage
over
some
of
the
other
departments
and
department
heads
where
I
don't
have.
That
is
that
he's
got
a
capable.
O
If,
if
he's
into
the
spot,
where
and
I
can't
remember
the
last
time,
I
took
a
two
weeks-
the
longest
I
think
it
takes
a
week
and
stuff,
but
for
some
reason,
I'm
in
capacity
in
the
time.
For
three
weeks
or
minus,
you
know
somebody
to
be
able
to
share
that
and
stuff.
That
was
the
reason
that
was
one
of
the
main
reasons
looking
at
the
other
department
has
why
I
chose
him,
and
you
can
go
ahead
and
reiterate
that
that's.
AI
My
reason
for
selection
to
answer
your
question:
yes,
as
the
city
manager
says,
I
have
a
great
staff.
My
number
one,
my
number
twos
I,
have
basically
two
of
them
run.
Everything
pretty
much
keep
everything
in
check.
Recently.
City
managers
had
me:
do
some
other
additional
things
in
the
city.
I
have
not
missed
a
beat
at
my
department.
Everything
is
still
running
the
way
it
was
all
along.
So,
yes,
I
have
the
capacity
I
can
I
can
do
what
I
need
to
do?
Okay,.
A
I
I
had
that
similar
conversation
with
the
city
manager.
He
he
knows
my
feeling
about
public
safety
and
its
importance
in
the
city
and
that
we
have
two
chiefs
and
their
commitment
is
to
Public,
Safety
and
I.
Don't
want
that
to
get
distracted
from
what
they
would
be
doing
in
in
administrative,
so
it
was,
but
this
is
for
acting
city
manager,
you're,
not
talking
about
making
administrative
Services
director
or
anything
like.
O
A
E
A
A
All
right
item
12
discussion,
Direction
on
Charter
revision.
Commission.
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
it?
Do
you
want
me
to
talk
about
it.
O
Well
again,
let
me
start
off
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you,
because
it's
something
of
my
mind
to
obviously
we're
coming
up
to
the
time
which
would
be
next
year
of
a
new
Charter
commission,
but
there's
some
advantages
again
with
everything
we've
got
going
with
a
strategic
plan,
the
comprehensive
plan-
there's
there's
probably
there's
been
some
need
from
some
past
questions.
That's
happened
from
the
previous
Charter
committee
and
some
things
to
deal
with
there's
going
to
be
some
future
thing.
O
So
the
thought
is
that
this
process
there
would
be
there'd,
be
no
harm
in
in
starting
this
project
a
little
bit
early
you're
not
talking
about
too
much.
But
one
of
the
discussions
is
of
of
when
to
set
this
up
when
to
go
through
the
process
and
I.
Think
having
this
talk.
Early
can
set
us
up
for
for
what
the
timing
is
going
to
be
and
when
we
put
this
committee
together
and
to
help
us
with
some
decisions
and
political
changes
and
I'll
turn
over
to
you,
mayor.
A
Yeah
more
specific
concerns
about
right
there.
There
were
a
couple
of
things
like
I've,
been
approached
by
a
couple
of
times
by
former
Charter
division:
commission
members
actually
they're
still
there
we
haven't
disbanded
the
the
past,
one
of
which
I
was
a
member,
but
one
of
them
was
raising
the
cap
of
the
of
the
ability
to
vote
for
the
city
commission
to
borrow
or
purchase
land
more
than
350
000,
but
it
could
get
complicated.
A
We
talked
about
some
autonomy
for
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
as
well,
and
that
would
be
more
complex
where
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
some
just
linky
discussion.
We
did
as
a
commission
propose
a
couple
of
Charter
amendments
that
came
that
were
approved
this
last
election
and
the
commission
can
always
do
that,
but
going
into
the
future
and
I
think
what
the
city
manager
was
saying
was
that
a
little
earlier
would
be
to
convene
it
in
April.
My
May
time
frame
of
2024
is
that
correct
yeah
for
the
2025
election
in
March?
A
Okay,
and
that,
because
we've
got
the
special
counsel
report,
that's
going
to
come
out
I'm
sure
there
may
be.
Some
policy
changes
that
we
may
want
to
see
go
into
the
charter.
There's
some
as
I
mentioned
the
autonomy,
some
autonomy
for
the
pnz
board
that
can
be
discussed
at
there
at
the
at
the
charter,
revision,
commission
and
let
them
come
back
with
some
recommendations
and
we
could
have
some
things
coming
out
like,
for
example,
sustainability
action
plan
is
not
part
of
the
charter.
We
did
the
Strategic
plan.
That
may
be
something.
A
I
spoke
briefly
with
Robin,
Reeves
and
also
I,
think
it
was
Paul
Smith
at
the
time
of
that's
something
that
they
want
to
think
about
at
the
staff
level
to
see
if
they,
if
that
should
be
part
of
the
charter,
so
that
the
residents
say
that
they
want
to
keep
this
plan
in
perpetuity.
So
some
future,
commissioner,
some
future
commission
doesn't
over
period
it
just
kind
of
Fades
away.
We
don't
have
it
anymore,
it's
not
just
that,
but
also
to
keep
up
with
it.
So
the
idea
was
that
we
have
a.
A
We
can
establish
one
now,
which
would
be
really
really
a
short
fuse
to
get
anything
done
or
wait
and
take
the
approach
of
of
convening
one
in
in
the
early
in
the
spring
time
frame
of
2024,
which
any
referendum
questions
to
that
would
be
put
at
the
election
in
2025
and
by
the
way.
That
is
a
requirement
that
would
be
our
five-year
period
right.
Yes,.
B
A
AA
I
we've
got
a
lot
going
on
with
strategic
plans
and
comprehensive
plans
and
and
sustainability
plans
and
trying
to
dovetail
them
all
together
and
get
them
into
a
workable
model.
I
think
the
idea
of
moving
or
having
the
the
the
Charter
revision
committee
meet
next
spring
for
the
20
for
the
25
years.
It
was
an
excellent
idea,
just
otherwise
just
be
too
soon
do
my
okay.
A
D
A
Okay,
any
other
comments,
if
not
I'll,
just
go
for
a
motion
in
a
second
and
we'll
just
motion.
Second
to
we,
we
I
don't
want
to
say
reconvene
but
to
convene
a
charter
revision
Commission
in
let's
just
say
the
spring
of
2024.
so
moved.
E
Think
that's
I
think
I
think
vice
mayor
brought
up
a
good
point.
It's
good
timing.
After
all,
these
other
plans
get
done
and.
B
A
B
A
A
A
This
is
something
that
is
in
the
backup
of
you
know,
basically
a
question
it
actually
came
up
when
you
know
we
were
given
the
combination
of
public
records
requests
and
also
the
litigation
that
came
up
and
I
was
looking
at
the
charter
and
and
it
kind
of
came
to
mind
as
far
as
the
approval
that
was
done
without
a
an
expiration
date
and
I
looked
at
the
charter
with
this
same
thing
with
about
the
10-year
period,
so
I
posed
the
question
to
the
special
counsel.
A
Ms
Kardash
offered
her
opinion
on
it
and
I've
included
that
in
the
backup
on
that-
and
basically
her
point
is
that
this
is
a
different
type
of
you
know
in
terms
of
Land
Development.
It's
something
that
would
not
be
applicable
to
or
the
charter
requirement
of
the
10-year
period
would
not
be
applicable
to
this
part
of
it,
but
nevertheless
it
does
create
a
situation
where,
in
in
this,
in
In
fairness,
I
have
had
conversations
with
Mrs
Vinson,
and
she
agrees
with
this
as
well.
A
Although
she's
not
here
to
speak
for
herself,
but
basically
it
creates
a
situation
where,
once
it's
approved
and
the
site
plan
is
a
building,
permit
is
applied
for
and
and
what
we
mean
by
building
permit
is
not
just
the
building
permit
as
of
the
Florida
building
code,
but
a
construction
permit
for
grubbing
clearing
and
so
forth,
applied
for,
doesn't
mean
issued
just
applied
for
and
there's
no
other
language.
In
that
Land
Development
code,
section
210.05,
then
the
developer
could
break
around
in
a
year.
A
It
could
break
around
in
20
years
and
we
basically
transferred
certain
development
rights
to
that
parcel
without
any
expiration
date
and
I'm,
not
sure.
Given
what
the
charter
says.
A
That
is
what
we
given
that's
what
we
would
have
intended,
or
at
least
the
residents
would
have
intended,
so
it
it's
something
that
I
think
that
we
need
to
address
sooner
than
later
and
then
and
Ms
Vinson
already
gave
one
kind
of
a
preliminary
approach
to
doing
that,
which
is
a
very
simple
thing
and
and
and
it
would
just
be
changing
the
language
of
that
section,
210.05
and
then
also
I
did
have
conversations
with
Ms
Kardash
and
where
she
comes
in,
where
you
apply
for
a
building,
permit
she
kind
of
attached
to
that
the
Florida
Statutes,
which
provide
some
protection
as
far
as
expirations,
which
would
be
the
Florida
Statutes
553,
which
is
related
to
the
Florida
building
code.
A
But
by
our
definition
it
doesn't
matter
whether
it's
a
Florida
building
code
Type
permit
that's
applied
for
our
own
local
version
of
of
a
con
construction
permit
which
doesn't
carry
anything
so
I.
Think
as
I
mentioned
city
manager.
There
needs
to
be
a
cleanup
of
the
definition
on
that
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
when
we
need,
if
we
mean
building
permit,
we
really
mean
building
permit
under
the
Florida
statute.
A
553,
the
Florida
building
code
so
and
then
the
other
thing
that
Ms
Kardash
brought
up,
which,
quite
frankly,
I
I,
was
thinking
that
we
had
a
little
time
in
this
was
in
Mr
Salzman.
If
you
I'm
going
to
catch
a
cold
on
this
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
can
help
but
October
1st
the
governor
signed
into
effect
a
bill
that
come
October
1st.
A
V
1St,
not
only
the
impact
the
cost
to
do
that
the
benefit
for
the
city
right.
So
all
these
requirements
are
going
to
be
more
extensive,
you're
going
to
spend
more
money
documentation,
getting
all
those
things
ready.
Yes,
effective,
October,
1st.
A
So
I
had
two
recommendations.
There
one
was
just
a
direction
to
the
city
staff
to
whatever
development
agreement
comes
forward
between
now
and
whenever
we
change
the
ordinance
that
a
specific
expiration
date
is
made
as
a
condition,
a
development
agreement-
that's
number
one
and
then
the
second
part
would
be
to
direct
the
staff
to
begin
amending
a
crafting
an
amendment
to
the
Land
Development
code.
That
establishes
a
time
limit
for
developments,
whether
they're
part
of
a
development
agreement
or
just
a
like
a
plan
development.
A
That
was
what
was
done
for
the
include
Harbor
or
any
other
just
a
site
plan
whatever
it
is,
there's
got
to
be
something
beyond
that
applying
for
a
building
permit
that
actually
establishes
a
a
particular
I,
don't
know
what
they
would
be.
That
would
be
up
to
the
commission
to
make
that
decision,
but
right
now
we
don't
have
that.
So
that
would
be
the
second
recommendation
for
this
evening
and
and
I
guess
from
what
I
understand
from
Mr
Salzman
Ms
Kardash.
We
should
do
that
before
October
1st.
Yes,
so
those
are
that's
what
I've
got.
A
W
Anita
produce
901
Bayshore
Drive.
We
have
some
lawsuits
coming
in
the
city.
You
mentioned
Anclote
Harbor.
If
this
is
passed
now,
what
ramification
would
it
have
on
that
development
and
other
developments
that
we're
going
to
come
into
the
city
because
of
rising
costs?
They
are
holding
back
well.
These
developments
that
have
been
approved,
grandfather
in
or
is
this
going
to
affect
anything
they're.
W
I
mentioned
that,
because
it's
taken
so
long,
there
have
been
some
builders
that
have
been
complaining.
They
want
to
come
in,
but
they
can't
get
in
with
the
city
and
I've
told
them
to
come
straight
to
our
city
manager,
and
there
are
some
that
have
had
permits.
But,
like
I
said,
things
are
so
expensive.
They
can't
get
material.
W
AA
The
fallback
for
that
is
just
to
basically
reapply
if
it
was
approved
in
the
first
place,
it's
not
likely
to
be
unapproved
in
the
second
place,
so
I
don't
see
that
as
an
over
ly
large
concern
for
for
people
being
wanting
to
develop
within
our
or
redevelop
within
our
town.
As
far
as
we
need
to
craft
this
out
of
it,
we
need
to
do
this
before
October
yeah.
A
E
To
yeah
I'd
like
to
I'd
just
like
to
see
you
know
if
permits
are
issued,
then
I'd
like
to
see
progress.
You
know
done
in
a
timely
manner
and
people
to
get
their
projects
done,
but
yeah
I
don't
want
to
see
something
sit
for
infinity
until
they
decide
that's.
You
know
they
have
the
ability
to
start
building
or
go
through
with
their
projects.
So
we
want
to
help
encourage
that's
why
we
want
to
try
to
help
out
the
building
department
and
getting
permits
issued
to
help.
E
You
know
push
progress
in
a
smart
way
and,
let's
hopefully,
get
stabbed
and
come
up
with
a
good
recommendation
on
time
limits,
but
you
know,
as
people
mentioned
before,
people
are
grandfathered
in
their
grandfathered
in
so
that
should
address
the
that.
You
know
those
topics
as
well.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
A
F
Thank
you,
mayor
I'm,
in
agreement
to
having
these
things
changed,
but
I
would
also
like
to
add
in
into
this
just
having
our
attorney
present
at
any
developer.
That
has
an
attorney
president
to
keep
that
in
involved
as
well,
so
that
we
don't
run
into
the
situation
that
we
have
in
the
past,
where
we
didn't
have
a
attorney
present
and
other
developers
did
so
I'd
like
to
add
that
in
as
well,
but
this
can
all
be
discussed.
F
A
That's
the
the
answer
to
that
is
yes,
I,
understand
and
and
you're
kind
of
hitting
me
cold
on
that,
because
there
is
the
the
planning
department
is
working
up,
an
ordinance
that
would
cause
the
developer
to
pay
for
any
Consultants
that
we
have
there.
One
of
them
is
like
engineers
and.
D
I
I
agree:
it
definitely
have
to
have
limits
on
these
permits.
You
know
what
I
don't
want
to
see.
Is
people
pulling
permits
and
to
create
value
for
property
that
they
don't
intend
to
ever
develop
themselves
and
flip
because
we're
you
know
we're
approving
things
based
on
on
a
particular
applicant
and
then
it
turns
out.
Somebody
else
gets
the
project
and
they
flip
and
leave.
So
we
definitely
you
know,
want
some
time
limits
on
that
and
I
would
suspect
that
the
special
console
report
would
also
deal
with
you
know.
D
The
issue
you
brought
up
I
would
think,
that's
something
that
would
be
in
there
as
well.
So.
L
O
Yeah
she
she
did
a
fast
knowing
that
she
she
had
to
go.
You
know
back
home
for
the
week
deal
with
a
situation.
She
wasn't
going
to
be
here
this
week.
She
worked
on
Friday
and
got
with
me
and
she's.
We've
got
a
game
plan
set
up.
If
you
approve
that
direction
tonight,
the
game
plan
will
get
us
in
plenty
of
time
for
the
the
timeline
we
talked
about.
So
all
we
need
is
your
Drew
we've
already
talked
about.
O
A
Well,
so,
if
I
may
ask
the
commission
to
let's
do
the
Motions
one
at
a
time
the
one
for
the
requiring
directing
staff
for
putting
in
a
a
time
requirement
for
the
the
expiration
of
a
development
as
part
of
the
development
agreement?
If
we
can
just
have
that
as
it's
written
right,
then
and
then
the
second
motion
would
be
the
recommendation
to
come
back
with
an
amendment
to
the
Land
Development
code.
A
I
want
to
say
prior
to
October
1st,
but
for
the
second
reading
to
occur
prior.
To
second,
is
that
the
second,
the
second
reading
to
occur
prior
to
October
1st,
is
that
okay?
So
let's
have
a
motion?
If
I
may
ask
for
a
motion
to
direct
the
city
staff
to
include
an
expiration
time
with
any
development,
future
development
agreement
between
now
and
the
time
we
amend
the
ordinance.
A
E
F
I'll
do
my
best
okay
motion
two
would
be
while
waiting
for
the
Land
Development
code,
amendment
that
addresses
development
project
time
limits,
direct
state
city
staff
to
ensure
an
implementation
time
limit
based
on
the
staff's
rationale,
is
included
in
all
development
agreements.
AA
A
B
E
AA
A
That's
pretty
good
your
estimated
to
finish
at
10
25.,
all
right.
Let's
go
to
board
and
staff
comments:
Chief
Young,
the
other
Chief
young
Citrus
there,
okay,
Mr
Salzman,.
O
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
all
were
there
and
involved
the
Fourth
of
July
from
the
fireworks
to
the
picnic
I
think
it
was
well
received.
Y'all
were
there
and
saw
the
happiness
you
saw
the
crowd
on
on
Tuesday
at
the
picnic
that
we
even
anticipated
a
bigger
crowd,
because
we
said
we
were
going
to
make
it
bigger
because
of
the
change
of
fireworks.
O
O
You
saw
them
all
out
there
working
on
on
the
days
and,
of
course,
you
know
the
fireworks
and
trying
to
get
all
those
people
off
the
west
side
of
town
after
that
police
had
that
went
smoothly
the
whole
event
fireworks
and
which
what
could
have
been
the
disaster
or
fourth
of
July,
because
the
circumstances
beyond
our
control
I
think
it
was
a
great
time
for
the
community
and
the
community
enjoyed
it.
So
I
want
to
thank
all
my
staff
who
worked
hard
fire
department
for
getting
the
permits
and
time
with
somebody
hitches.
O
A
It
was
very
nice
city,
clerk,
Jacobs
and
I
thought.
Okay,
commissioner
quillianis.
D
A
D
Want
to
thank
Mr
lacouras
for
a
great
week.
I
know
you
orchestrated
all
that.
However,
it
wasn't
perfect
because
there
was
the
the
Lee
Greenwood
Scandal
of
2023.
D
So
I
think
I
need
to
address
this.
An
apology
to
to
my
colleague
and
a
close
friend,
commissioner
coulias.
You
know
I
I
had
to
do
the
presentation
out
at
the
at
the
the
at
Sunset
Beach.
You
know
for
the
concert
and
the
the
young
lady
from
the
rec
department.
She
said
you
know,
are
you,
commissioner,
coulias
I
said
no
I'm
cooleyanis,
that's
the
other
guy
and
she
she
says
okay.
But
then,
when
she
announced
me
she
goes
commissioner
kulias.
She
hands
me
microphone.
I'm,
like
okay,
I'm
good
with
this.
D
You
know
then
I.
Do
my
little
Spiel
I
give
the
microphone
back.
She
asks
everybody
to
turn
around
face
the
flag.
I.
Take
my
hat
off.
I
put
it
over
my
heart,
Lee
Greenwood
comes
on
I'm,
proud
to
be
an
American,
and
but
it
wasn't
the
national
anthem.
It's
like
I'm
I,
don't
know,
do
I,
keep
my
hand
over
my
heart
for
Lee
Greenwood
I'm,
not
sure
you
do
that
right.
So
so
that
you
know
it
was
confusing.
D
As
a
matter
of
fact,
when
the
music
stopped,
there
were
people
singing
that
still
singing
the
National
Anthem.
You
know
I
had
to
get
up
early
in
the
morning,
for
you
know
just
drink
a
little
bit
too
much
water
about
1,
30.,
I
I
make
a
mistake.
Look
at
my
phone
there's
an
email.
AH
L
A
F
Yeah
I
I
got
that
same
email
and
I
was
down
around
that
way
and
I
I
didn't
see
it
being
a
big
problem,
but
you
know
I
guess
if
we
get
a
complaint,
we
kind
of
have
to
do
the
right
thing,
so
we
answered
it.
Yeah
I
did
want
to
thank
you,
know,
Mark
and
all
of
your
staff
at
Fourth
of
July
party
other
than
the
heat
it
was.
It
was
amazing,
it
was
really
nice.
I
heard
nothing
but
good
comments
from
everyone.
F
So
I
do
want
to
thank
you
because
I
know
a
lot
of
hard
work
went
into
it
and
it
was
a
very,
very
warm
day.
I
did
also
I
shared
I
was,
with
the
vice
mayor
at
the
Juvenile
welfare
board,
school
bus.
That
book
bus
and
I'll
tell
you
something
seeing
these
kids
faces
coming
in
and
getting
free
books,
and
it
was
an
amazing
little
event.
It
was
a
really
nice
thing
to
do
and
I
loved
every
minute
of
it.
F
I
was
also
at
the
library
for
the
presentation
from
Craig
and
Megan,
and
we
had
a
large
group
there.
It
was
really
nice.
You
know
they
spoke
about
the
the
presentation
we
got.
The
hurricane
preparedness
and
I
think
it
was
just.
It
was
a
good
thing
to
have
it
presented
to
the
residents
as
well,
because
not
everybody
gets
to
see
this.
So
we're
just
doing
a
lot
of
good
things
here
and
a
lot
of
good
information
to
the
residents
and
just
keep
up
the
good
work.
AA
So
I'm
going
to
chime
in
and
as
well
congratulate
the
city
manager
and
the
staff
on
on
the
4th
of
July
picnic.
It
was
great
I
know
there
was
a
little
concern
about
having
fireworks
that
apparently
ran
depending
on
where
you
lived
in
the
city
for
four
days,
but
there's
not
much.
We
could
do
about
that.
That
typically
happens
anyway.
AA
So
it's
not
a
you
know,
not
something
you
can
do
about
it
as
far
as
Anthem
gate
I
think,
commissioner
kouliano
should
start
being
able
to
do
some
acapella
and
one
of
the
or
two
of
the
residents.
I
talked
with
the
sustainability
meeting.
The
other
night
mentioned
something
that
might
be
a
change
to
our
procedure
for
our
meetings,
but
might
be
a
welcome
change.
I
mean
we.
We
try
to
reach
out
to
people
with
connect
Tarpon
and
with
some
Facebook
stuff
and
so
forth,
and
so
on.
AA
Sometimes
we
miss
them,
but
people
still
do
watch
our
meetings.
So
what
I'm
going
to
propose
is
that
we
consider
having
an
announcement
period
at
some
point
in
time,
probably
earlier
on
in
the
evening
where
we
can
actually,
because
we
get
lists
of
here's
the
public
meetings
going
on
for
the
next.
AA
While
that
we
could
announce
there's
a
sustainability
meeting,
and
this
is
what
they're
going
to
discuss
for
the
public
and
this
unit
et
cetera,
Etc
I,
think
that
would
be
a
good
idea,
would
just
be
one
more
Avenue
to
get
the
public
awaren
involved.
E
It
was
a
great
Fourth
of
July
Fourth
of
July
weekend.
I
just
want
to
thank
City
staff
and
everyone
involved
who
helped
Let
Freedom
Reign
here
in
Tarpon,
Springs
and
I.
Just
want
to
remind
the
board
of
this
memorandum
requesting
my
excused
absence
for
the
regular
session
next
regular
session
meeting.
A
I'm
going
to
get
to
that
yeah
is
there
anything
else.
D
A
Take
care
of
that
first,
we
received
a
memorandum
from
commission
nuclease
he's
going
to
be
out
of
town.
What
was
it
July
20th
I've
got
the
date
July
25th
on
a
land,
long
plan
trip
out
of
town
he's
not
going
to
be
here.
If
I
could
get
a
motion
excuses.
D
I
make
a
motion
we
accept.
Commissioner
couliasis
excuse
excused
absence
for
the
25th
is.
V
You
don't
want
to
do
all
the
dates
at
once.
No.
A
V
AA
Y
B
AA
A
It
is
yes,
okay.
The
other
item
is
I
also
wish
to
congratulate
the
city
manager
and
the
staff
for
an
excellent
Fourth
of
July.
Picnic
also
want
to
thank
Waste
Management,
who
contributed
five
thousand
dollars.
For
that
event.
Five
thousand
is
that
correct,
yes,
and
that
was
part
of
our
contract
with
Waste
Management,
that
they'd
been
doing
that
since
we
went
from
our
own
trash
trucks
back
in
the
90s
to
hiring
them
and
they've
done
that
every
I
think
every
year
since
then,.
X
A
Yeah,
so
it
was
a
very
nice
event.
They
were
there
whether
they
were
in
the
booth
with
the
IC,
the
snow,
cones
and
things
like
that,
and
then
we
did
the
rest
with
our
guys.
So
I
very
much
appreciate
that
also
you
know
tonight
there
was
a
little
bantering
between
Mr
coolianis
and
myself
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
just
bantering
and
we're
friends
long
time,
friends
we're
going
to
continue,
but
I
I
hope
we're
going
to
be
continuing.
Being
friends.
D
A
For
the
residents
and
everything
and
I
think
if
there
was
time
for
a
little
further
discussion,
I
think
we
both
realize
we're
talking
about
the
same
thing
so
and
and
and
that's
all
I
want
to
say
about
that.
A
So
the
the
other
thing
too,
we've
got
there's
a
couple
of
things:
it's
actually
just
a
little
house
cleaning
with
August
11th
we've
got
an
evidentiary
hearing
concerning
the
Trask
section,
119
action,
which
is
a
complaint
against
our
public
records
process
and
that's
August
11th
and
there's
a
I
wanted
to
ask
Mr
Salzman
if
he
could
explain
what
an
evidentiary
hearing
is
and
and
what
the
outcome
of
that
is,
and
maybe
some
helpful
information
so.
V
August
11th,
let
me
step
back
Florida
statute
119,
which
is
the
public
records
statute,
requires
an
expedited
hearing
on
any
requests
for
documents
that
an
individual,
either
claims
should
have
been
received
or
didn't
receive
were
redacted
shouldn't
have
been
redacted
or
privileged
weren't
privileged.
So
the
hearing
is
supposed
to
be
expedited.
V
The
hearing
is
August,
11th
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
consider
that
expedited,
but
it
it's
in
essence
is
pretty
much
the
complaint
as
allege,
so
they
have
the
burden
of
showing
that
first,
several
issues,
one
that
possibly
we
didn't
bring
all
the
documents
to
them,
which
we
don't
believe
is
a
correct
number
two:
that
there
was
an
un
Fair
delay
which
again,
as
those
of
you
that
are
familiar,
we
had
requests
that
were
pretty
voluminous
and
then
we
had
changes
in
requests
and
then
we
had
still
had
requests
which
were
voluminous
and
we
also
didn't
get
payment,
as
is
necessary.
V
So
it
is
our
position
that
those
things
occurred
and
that's
why
the
delay
was
so.
It
is
an
evidential
hearing
which
is
taking
evidence
either
sworn
or
written
evidence
that
has
been
sworn
to
for
the
judge
to
make
a
decision.
The
judge's
decision
would
be.
There
are
documents
out
there
that
weren't
presented,
and
he
would
either
do
an
order
saying
that
they'd
maybe
need
to
be
presented
between
x
x
time
period.
V
The
judge
could
say
that
perhaps
there
needs
to
be
an
in-camera
inspection
of
some
type
of
either
devices
where
we
didn't
give
a
particular
responses
again,
I'm
unaware
of
any
responses
that
we
didn't
give.
So
that's
what
will
happen.
It
is
our.
We
would
intend
on
calling
Irene
and
Michelle
to
explain
the
whole
process.
They
have
prepared
a
timeline,
so
we
will
go
through
all
that
testimony
and
what
the
process
was
so
that
will
occur
in
front
of
judge
giratka
on
the
11th
is.
A
That
so
they
can
go
if
they
want
to
okay
and
and
then.
V
A
Anyway,
right,
okay,
but
we,
whoever
goes,
is
just
going
to
be
observing
anyway.
There's
no.
V
Correct
I
mean
I'm
not
intending
as
we
sit
here
today.
I
mean
obviously
I
have
a
month
I'm
not
intending
on
calling
anybody
else.
Okay,
maybe
my
discussions
with
Irene
might
change
that,
but
right
now
we've
already
talked
about
it.
Just
briefly
and
that's
my
intention.
Okay.
V
I,
don't
believe
we
need
a
shade
meeting
in
this
particular
circumstances.
Normally
a
shade
meeting
is
to
get
direction
on
how
how
to
handle
the
situation
and
or
a
settlement
of
a
pending
case.
At
this
point,
I
I
don't
think
it's
one
that
would
be
subject
to
settlement
again.
We
believe
that
we've
provided
all
documentation
and
if
we
haven't
it's,
you
know
there.
There
would
be
some
basis
or
reason
that
we
haven't
we've
everything
that
we've
had
we've
provided
so
that
that
would
be
the
position.
V
A
Do
any
Commissioners
have
any
questions
for
Mr
salesman,
or
do
you
want
to
do
that
offline?
If
you
all
do
have
any
questions.