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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Board February 25, 2019
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B
C
A
B
A
A
Changing
the
trigger,
currently
the
trigger
on
a
conditional
use
is
that
you
must
get
a
building
permit
within
one
within
one
year
of
the
actual
approval
of
the
conditional
use.
Otherwise,
it's
considered
elapsed.
If
you
under
the
current
system,
if
you
don't
get
that
building
permit,
you
come
back
through
the
process
and
you
basically
start
the
process
all
over
again.
We've
had
at
least
two
instances
in
the
last
year,
where
that's
had
to
happen
in
that
particular.
In
those
particular
cases,
there
are
two
different
cases,
but
they're
the
same
they're
on
the
adjacent
properties.
A
In
that
case
that
property,
those
properties
also
had
to
go
through,
not
only
site
planning,
not
only
conditional
use,
but
they
also
needed
were
in
the
heritage
preservation
I'm
just
at
our
own
historic
preservation
district.
So
they
had
to
go
through
historic
preservation
before
they
could
obtain
their
building.
Permit
trying
to
get
all
those
different
approvals
made,
it
nearly
impossible
for
them
to
accomplish
the
building
permit
within
one
year,
so
they
ended
up
coming
back
to
get
the
conditional
use
back
to
the
process.
A
So
we've
decided
that
that's
very
difficult
when
you're
dealing
with
a
bigger
project.
These
were
small
projects,
ease
where
single
houses
over
here
on
Orange
Street.
So
they
were
a
smaller
project.
I,
don't
if
you
guys
remember
those
they
were
putting
up
the
the
Key
West
style
houses
adjacent
to
right
across
from
where
the
Orange
Street
parking
lot
is.
Those
were
fairly
relatively
easy
developments
in
conjunction
in
comparison
to
some
of
the
other
projects
that
we've
had
that
are
conditional
uses.
A
You
know
the
other
things
that
require
conditioned
use
is
that
you've
seen
recently
we're
like
out
on
19.
We
did
a
conditional
use
for
the
public
store
than
that
public
storage,
but
a
a
storage,
multi
mini
storage
warehouse
that
took
two
iterations
of
going
through
the
conditional
use
process
because,
again
that
project
couldn't
get
through
the
building
permit
process
into
construction
within
that
one-year
time
frame,
they
just
became
very
difficult
with
the
financing
for
them
to
get
there.
Each
one
of
these
cases
is
a
different
problem.
Sometimes
it's
a
finance
problem.
A
Sometimes
it's
just
a
very
complicated
process
that
they
have
to
go
through,
and
so
we're
looking
to
change
that
business
tax,
and/or
building
permit
as
the
primary
trigger
instead
say
the
site
plan
approval,
but
we
also
want
to
condition
that
site
plan
approval
that
the
site
plan
gets
approved
within
a
one-year
time
frame.
So
while
the
conditional
use
is
approved,
it's
good
provided
that
site
plan
comes
in
if
it's
not
with
the
conditional
use
coming
in,
because
it's
basically
an
A
and
a
B
as
you
normally
don't.
A
Probably
recognize
that,
because
your
resolution
is
one
application,
but
there's
usually
a
condition,
use
compartment
and
component
and
then
a
site
planning
component.
So
there's
an
A
and
a
B
usually,
but
you
act
on
it
just
once,
because
it's
a
combined
project
as
a
result
we're
looking
to
change
that
trigger
to
that
site
plan.
But
we
want
to
control
the
site
plan
within
the
12-month
time
frame.
A
So
we're
still
accomplishing
the
conditional
use
in
conjunction
with
the
site
plan,
but
we're
giving
a
little
bit
more
time
on
the
building
permit
side
so
that
they
can
get
their
site
plan
and
then
their
site
plan
is
good
as
long
as
and
the
condition
just
remains
valid.
As
long
as
that
site
plan
is
valid
which,
if
they
don't
get
the
building
permit
within
a
certain
amount
of
time.
A
The
site
plan
also
expires
because
your
site
plans
are
only
good
for
a
year
as
well,
but
the
trigger
there
is
they
have
to
submit
for
the
building
permit
rather
than
obtain.
The
building
permit.
Building
permits
can
sometimes
take
some
time
too,
depending
upon
what
the
issues
are.
If
you
have
sites
where
you
have
state
approvals
or
agency
approvals
that
are
required,
sometimes
those
take
a
little
bit
more
time
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
those
are
applied
for
as
part
of
that
building
permit
process.
A
So
that's
what
also
extends
out
the
building
permit
process
timeframe
on
the
site
plans.
That's
already
ingrained
in
your
code.
Conditional
use
was
not
that
way.
It
was
really
pushing
for
you
to
get
that
site
plan
immediately
in
that
building
per
that
and
that
building
permit
immediately.
Is
you
really
had
to
run
your
site
planning
and
conditions
concurrently
and
that
works
for
some
people
for
smaller
projects?
It's
great
for
larger
projects.
A
It
becomes
very
difficult
because
they
don't
always
know
what
they're
looking
for
that
initial
approval
to
know
that
the
use
is
okay
before
they
spend
the
money
to
design
fully
design
their
site
plans
in
most
cases,
so
you're,
providing
them
that
opportunity
to
give
the
additional
time
for
them
to
do
that.
So
you
get
a
better
product
and
a
better
project
at
the
front
end
or
at
the
rear
at
the
tail
end,
rather
than
at
the
front
end.
A
So
that's
really
what
the
crux
this
is:
we're
also
changing
the
name
of
the
department,
because
it's
currently
in
the
ordinance
referred
to
as
a
division
that
goes
back
to
when
it
was
under
development
services.
It
is
a
fact
of
department,
so
we're
making
that
correction,
we're
adding
language
to
page
three
that
basically
provides
for
under
the
conditional
use.
If
it
ceases
for
less
than
six
months.
The
approval
in
that
case
can
be
done
by
the
city
manager,
in
this
case
we're
adding
his
designation.
The
city
manager
not
be
available.
B
B
A
Yes
right
unless
there's
some
kind
of
act
by
the
board
to
vary
what
your
language
says
here:
okay
and
then
the
last
provision
that
we're
asking
for
is
provision
six
is
being
added
in
which
that
probably
should
be
five,
not
six,
because
there's
not
a
six
uh-huh.
The
Board
of
Commissioners
may
waive
the
one
year
expiration
date
if
a
condition
of
a
conditional
use,
approval
and
approving
insert
an
alternate
expiration
date
and
schedule
when
the
conditional
use
is
approved
in
conjunction
with
a
developer
agreement.
A
The
alternate
schedule
may
not
exceed
the
maximum
duration
of
the
approved
developer
agreement
in
accordance
with
90/60.
When
this
ordinance
was
originally
written.
We
did
a
little
bit
of
tweaking,
but
when
this
was
originally
written,
this
was
to
come
as
a
companion
with
the
developer
agreement
section,
because
we
wanted
you
to
see
what
we
were
doing.
It's
kind
of
a
little
bit
disjunctive,
because
they're
separated
by
a
month,
but
essentially
what
we're
wanting
to
do
here
is.
We
want
to
sync
up
the
developer
agreement
and
the
conditional
use
application.
A
A
A
So
whatever
the
development
agreement
timeframe
is
would
be
then
be
the
you
would
have
the
bill
that
the
board
would
have
the
ability
to
decide
if
the,
if
the
condition
use
is
going
to
expire
at
the
Sene
time
or
expire
in
some
other
particular
fashion,
we're
just
providing
the
window
of
opportunity
to
extend
beyond
that
12
year
or
that
12
month
time
frame.
Should
they
decide
they
want
to
do
that
and
again
that
would
be
at
their
discretion.
A
You
would
make
a
recommendation
during
a
developer
agreement
and
a
conditional
use
application
process
that
we
think
this
is
what
it
should
be.
They
would
then
act
accordingly,
because
you
can
have
the
opportunity
to
make
those
same
recommendations
that
the
actions
that
they
take.
You
have
the
opportunity
at
least
making
a
recommendation
to
them
on
what
you
think
is
the
more
appropriate
timeframe.
So.
B
A
Have
to
come
back
to
the
process
again,
I
mean
that's
the
whole
thing
if
they,
if
they
exceed
their
timeframes,
there's
still
the
ability
for
them
to
come
back
and
ask
for
extensions.
But
the
idea
is
extensions,
then
open
it
up
and
as
a
developer,
the
whole
premise
of
the
developer
Agreement
is:
you
are
kind
of
walking
in
what
you're
getting
under
that
developer
agreement,
because
every
time
they
come
back
for
b2
under
a
public
hearing,
they
open
themselves
up
to
scrutiny
to
whatever
the
new
rules
are,
whether
that's
good
or
bad.
A
The
provisions
under
the
state
statute
will
allow
for
that
developer
agreement
timeframes
so
that
they
can
have
some
kind
of
vesting
in
that
in
their
project
so
that
they
know
it's
not
so
much
a
guarantee,
but
they
know
at
least
they
have
some
certainty
that
the
rules
are
not
going
to
get
just
thrust
upon
them.
It's
it's.
B
D
C
B
F
B
A
A
When
your
property
is
within
those
habitats,
and
you
want
to
develop,
they
want
not
only
you
to
evaluate
the
wetland
impacts
which
you
would
evaluate
on
any
project
that
has
wetlands
on
it,
but
also
they
want
you
to
evaluate
the
impacts
on
the
upland
acreage
associated
with
those
wetlands.
So
it's
specific
habitat,
so
you're,
looking
at
scrub,
pine
lens
or
conifer,
or
a
flat
flat
pine
brush
those
types
of
specific
uplands
identified
on
that
map.
A
If
you're
not
identified
on
the
map
that
you
don't
have
to
do
this,
but
it's
an
extra
step
to
try
to
try
to
maintain
the
upland
habitat
that
we
do
have
left
here
in
turbine
and
essentially
during
the
hearing
process.
The
board
really
wanted
to
include
the
ability
for
the
city
to
hire
qualified
professionals.
Obviously
Pat
and
I
have
background
in
environmental
studies,
but
we
are
not
qualified
professionals
in
the
sense
that
we
do
not
do
go
out
and
do
wetland
delineation
and
that
type
of
thing
on
a
regular
basis.
A
A
We
have
consultants
that
we
have
to
pay
for
you
do
this
with
your
you're,
not
aware
of
this,
but
you
probably
do
this
right
now
for
your
serving
when
we
need
a
surveyor
here
at
the
city,
we
have
a
contract
that
we
basically
have
hire.
We've
done
an
RFP
we've
gotten
gone
through
the
purchasing
and
procurement
required
process.
We've
obtained
those
individuals
and
approval
to
use
those
individuals.
A
We
then
are
on
contract
with
those
individuals
there's
a
set
fee
and
rate
that
we
use
and
we
evaluate
every
time
we
have
a
plat
that
goes
through
the
process
they
go
to
these.
They
review
that
plat.
Ok,
you
don't
see
those
applications,
they
go
directly
to
the
BOC
for
final
approval,
but
it's
the
same
type
of
system
that
we're
going
to
use
for
the
qualified
professionals.
Here
you
will
actually
see
the
qualified
professional
information
here,
because
these
types
of
applications
come
through
here.
A
Therefore,
your
site
plans
there
for
any
of
the
other
types
of
applications
that
you
see
type
potentially
conditional
use,
could
have
a
component
of
this
developer.
Agreement
could
have
a
component
of
a
qualified
professional
many
of
the
applications.
You
see,
could
there
could
be
a
need
for
those
particular
individuals,
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
recoup
the
cost
similar
to
what
we
do
with
the
surveyor
cost
right.
We
don't
have
a
city
surveyor
on
staff.
A
A
The
consultant
would
make
a
field
visit
and
and
do
whatever
else,
that
they
need
to
do
as
far
as
research
on
that
thing
and
then
render
an
opinion
on
whether
or
not
the
information
that
was
received
by
the
city
or
from
the
applicant
by
the
city
is
relevant
and
correct
and
appropriate,
and
whatever
recommendations
are
part
of
that
report
would
then
be
part
of
the
staffs
approval
or
part
of
the
resolution
that
goes
to
the
vo
C.
So
that's.
B
A
That
what
we're
going
to
all
we
end
up
doing
is
putting
out
an
rfp,
so
we'll
have
an
hourly
rate
and
we'll
have
to
figure
out
with
whatever
consultant
we
hire
what's
the
average
to
review
these
studies
so
that
we
can
give
people
a
ballpark
estimate.
I
have
that
now.
I
know
by
page
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
the
surveyor
to
review
on
the
plat
side.
So
what
I
would
have
seen
we
would
have.
A
We
would
structure
it
the
same
way
for
this
environmental
evaluation,
understanding
that
the
environmental
evaluation
probably
requires
a
little
bit
more
than
the
surveyors,
because
the
surveyors
are
statutorily
bound
by
a
very
narrow
margin
of
error.
So
it's
a
little
different
process
where
the
environmental
reports
they
probably
going
to
have
to
go
out
to
infield
verifying
that
type
of
things.
A
So
there
may
be
an
additional
cost
there,
but
we
would
have
those
costs
broken
down
on
a
per
cost
basis
or
a
per
project
basis,
based
on
acreage
more
than
likely
that's
more
than
common
way
to
do
it.
You
know
zero
to
five
acres
is
XP
zero
to
you
know
our
10
or
five
to
ten
acres
is
XP.
Whatever
the
the
breakdown
B
is,
and
we
would
probably
look
to
get
an
RFP
for
that
or
request
for
qualifications.
A
It
might
be
more
appropriate
for
those
lump
sums
so
that
we
can
then
pick
off
a
list
because
we
would
want
to
have
more
than
one
qualified
professional
qualified
in
case.
They
can't
do
that
evaluation
at
that
time,
because
we
never
really
know
when
we're
gonna
have
a
project
of
this
size
and
scope
that
needs
these
reviews.
B
A
The
developer
would
already
have
his
own
because
he's
gonna
have
to
had
generate
the
report,
and
you
have
to
in
order
to
do
the
wetlands
and
the
upland
surveying
that
we
need
to
have.
You
need
to
have
a
qualified
environmentalist
to
get
you
those
reports,
so
they
would
already
have
their
own.
This
would
be
a
third
party
to
evaluate
that,
what's
being,
what's
being
given
to
the
city,
to.
F
I
mean
I
would
think
we
could
trust
that
kind
of
thing
on
simpler
projects,
but
certainly
if
it
involves
remediation
or-
or
you
know,
more
complicated
things
environmentally
I
can
see
the
need
for
it,
but
onsen
aliy
would
have
some
problem
with
it
applying
to
every
project
that
involves
any
little
area
of
wetland.
Well,.
A
See:
here's
where
we
get
into
the
interesting
component,
when
you
guys
saw
the
future
land-use
element,
we
had
a
provide
a
proviso
in
the
language.
At
the
comprehensive
plan
level.
That
said,
five
acres
are
larger,
because
recognizing
five
acres
is
probably
even
small
and
a
habitat
basis
to
have
habitat,
that's
actually
viable
for
their
animals
that
use
that
habitat
to
live
in
we're
not
looking
at
straight
delineation
here
of
the
wetlands.
A
That's
not
really
what
we're
getting
into
we're,
really
looking
at
the
upland,
the
upland
habitats
that
are
those
specific
habitats
and
the
interaction
between
wetlands
and
uplands
and
those
particular
areas,
because
there's
a
synergetic
effect
between
those
particular
habitats
and
the
wetlands,
so
the
wetlands
kind
of
support
those
habitats
and
they
provide
additional
land
and
ability
for
those
habitats
to
thrive.
So
really
what
we're
looking
for
for
the
qualified
professionals
is
to
really
utilize
them.
A
When
we
have
those
uplands
identified
on
the
map
on
a
particular
project,
which
generally
was
going
to
be
a
larger
project,
because
you
got
to
have
a
significant
amount
of
thing,
but
the
board
had
us
take
out
the
five
acre
or
larger
threshold.
So
it
now
applies
to
any
acreage.
Okay,
whether
it's
one
acre
half
acre
quarter,
acre
10,000
square
feet.
It
doesn't
really
matter
anymore.
They
wanted
that
taken
out,
so
there
is
no
proviso
in
the
actual
comp
plan.
That's
specific
to
the
five
acres
are
larger
with
what,
which
is
what
you
saw.
A
Not
that
it's
up
to
our
discretion,
your
comp
plan
basically
says
any
project
of
any
size
on
that.
That
shows
with
those
particular
habitats
on
the
map,
we'll
have
to
use
the
qualified
professional
and
have
to
go
through
that
particular
delineation
doesn't
matter
whether
it's
a
small
property
or
a
large
project,
because
the
five
acre
threshold
was
taken
out.
D
G
A
If
you
deny
it,
it
will
go
forward
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
just
as
the
developer
agreement
section
or
section
went
last
month
with
basically
your
recommendation
of
denial.
At
this
point
there
will
be
no
implementation
legislation
in
the
comp
plan.
It's
not
going
to
stop
me
from
applying
those
sections
of
the
comp
plan,
as
they're
adopted.
It's
just
not
going
to
be
provided
for
in
your
land
development
code.
I
still
have
to
administer
your
comp
plan,
whether
it's
in
your
land,
development,
core
or
not,
I
have
to
administer
both
documents.
A
I,
don't
I,
don't
get
to
pick
and
choose.
Unfortunately,
so
this
language
was
is
being
put
in
here
to
give
the
city
are
to
follow
the
the
state
statute
process,
which
is
you
have
comp
plan,
language
goals,
objectives
and
policies,
and
then
you
implement
that
that
language
within
your
land
development
code
with
a
process.
This
is
the
creating
the
process
by
which
we
would.
We
would
implement
that
I.
A
Say
that
this
is
what
most
cities
are
doing
that's
this
is
what
this
city
is
attempting
to
do
now.
There
may
be
other
examples
of
other
cities
that
are
doing
this.
We
didn't
actually
specifically
research,
every
city
to
determine
or
even
a
handful
of
cities,
to
determine
how
they're
doing
this.
This
was
the
recommendation
based
on
the
changes
to
the
comp
plan
that
were
recommended
after
first
read.
H
A
So
the
Board
of
Commissioners
ultimately
makes
that
determination
on
who's,
the
qualified
professionals
that
the
city
is
selecting
and
how
we
envision
that
process
happening
as
well
as
I
stated
before
as
a
request
for
qualifications,
initially,
where
we
have
a
list
of
folks
that
we
can
choose
from
so
they've
already
printed
pre-qualified
folks,
and
we
would
turn
determine
off
the
pre-qualified
list.
We
do
the
same
thing
with
engineers.
Currently
we
have
a
list
of
pre-qualified
engineers.