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B
Yes,
the
pat
mcneese
principal
planner.
The
first
item
is
an
amendment
to
the
land
development
code,
article
11
sign
regulations
regarding
a
frame
or
sandwich
board
signs.
As
you
know,
those
are
the
the
little
same
prop
a-frame
signs
that
you
put
along
the
sidewalk
at
the
direction
of
the
board
of
commissioners.
The
board
had
a
discussion
regarding
a-frame
signs.
As
you
all
know,
there
was
a
sign
code
update
passed
in
2019
the
board
discussed
a-frame,
specifically
on
august
24
2021,
and
asked
that
staff
bring
back
some
language
regarding
allowing
plastic
a-frame
signs.
B
B
The
design
standards
for
a-frame
signs
were
actually
adopted
with
that.
With
that
sign
code
update,
there
were
no
specific
design
standards
in
the
previous
code
other
than
the
size,
and
there
was
in
that
sign
code
update
in
2019.
B
The
language
was
added
here
that
talks
about
the
wood
or
metal
frame
and
the
dry
eraser
chalkboards,
all
that
was
added
in
2019,
so
the
pla
that
prohibited
the
plastic
as
a
frame
material.
This
would
propose
to
add
plastic
in
along
with
those
other
materials.
D
I
I
do
have
a
couple.
I
guess
comm
answered
whether
it's
something
that
the
the
commission
should
look
at,
but
in
looking
at
the
ordinance
I
just
wondered:
if
we
should
not,
you
know,
prohibit
any
advertising
other
than
the
business
of
the
owner
or
the
less
the
lessee.
D
D
B
D
Okay,
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
go
to
public
comment.
If
anybody
wants
to
comment,
please
come
to
the
podium
up.
There
state
your
name,
your
address
and
and
welcome
any
comments
that
you
have.
I
I
Last
year
year
and
a
half
ago,
I
asked
staff
for
some
clarification
and
was
told
that
it
was
primarily
to
just
clean
up
some
of
the
handmade
signs
that
were
on
various
businesses
around
town
and
was
told
you
kind
of
know
what
we're
talking
about.
Okay,
that
sounded
good.
But
when
the
ordinance
was
passed
at
the
beginning
of
the
coveted
crisis,
it
was
more
than
just
cleaning
up
these
handmade
signs.
I
I
understand
that
we
want
professional
signs
on
our
streets,
but
banning
them
professionally
printed
plastic
sign
boards,
sort
of
seems
arbitrary.
I
understand
now
that
it
was
inadvertently
left
out.
Is
that
what
I'm
understanding,
I
believe,
wood
signs
and
metal
signs
are
coverson
and
also
show
much
more
aware
in
our
climate.
I
In
addition,
the
clean
plastic
white
signs
are
much
easier
to
move
around
stay
sharp
looking
for
years
and,
as
I
drive
around
tarp
and
many
of
the
businesses
that
have
paid
for
professionally
printed
white
plastic
signs
will
have
to
replace
those
and
that
costs
business
time
and
money.
I
was
told
by
staff:
oh
that's
only
about
sixty
dollars,
that's
not
the
case!
Sixty
dollars
for
the
frame,
then
you
pay
for
having
a
professionally
made
sign,
and
then
it's
put
up
so
we're
talking
something
in
the
neighborhood
of
two
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
for
a
sign.
I
While
I
wholeheartedly
support
the
effort
for
requiring
professional
signage-
and
I
absolutely
agree
with
it-
I
think
just
cleaning
up
the
handmade
signs
and,
in
my
opinion,
that
includes
chalkboard
signs
should
not
be
the
primary
and
focus
of
enforcement.
That
professionally
made
signs
should
be
the
primary
focus
on
this.
Thank
you.
D
Well,
it's
it's
they've
revised
the
the
entire
ordinance
to
include
plastic
and-
and
I
had.
C
D
Issue
with
that
and
plus
is
there
anybody
comments
on
the
suggestions
that
I
presented.
D
C
I
I
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
application.
21-114.
C
With
the
recommendations
mentioned
by
chairman
cascodus,.
C
K
B
Yes-
and
this
amendment
proposes
to
add
a
property
rights
element
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
In
the
last
legislative
session,
the
florida
statutes
were
adopted
requiring
each
local
government
to
adopt
a
property
rights
element
and
that
legislative
language
included
a
statement
of
rights
which
is
on
that
first
page
staff,
memo
that
basically
constitutes
the
minimum
that
should
be
in
your
element.
B
Right
and
if
you
remember
when
we
talked
about
the
comprehensive
plan,
when
we
had
your
kind
of
your
review
sessions,
we
talked
about
how
we
apply
the
comprehensive
plan
as
a
whole,
not
just
one
policy
or
one
element
that
the
whole
thing
has
to
be
judged.
Those
things
have
to
be
judged
in
context
with
other
elements
and
policies
that
language
has
been
added
here,
to
provide
that
context
for
the
property
rights
policy
that
that
is
adopted
here.
So
you're
looking
at
coastal,
high
hazard
or
other
land
use,
purpose
of
of
the
land
use
district.
B
B
Depending
on
what
they
say,
so
if
there
seem
to
be
things
in
conflict,
you
are
to
make
a
decision
based
on
the
goals
of
the
plan.
What
the
what
the
desired
future
end
is
of
for
a
decision
based
on
the
comprehensive
plan
as
a
whole.
C
B
K
K
B
Well,
on
the
first
page
of
the
ordinance
you'll
see
that
the
overall
goal
says
that
the
city
shall
ensure
that
regulatory
and
land
use
decisions
are
based
upon
a
balancing
of,
and
there
are
five
items
listed
there
and,
and
you
can
see
what
those
are.
The
public
safety,
the
comprehensive
plan
again,
health
safety
and
compatible
uses
depends
on
what
you're
looking
at
what
applications
you're.
Looking
at.
B
K
I'm
going
to
interrupt
I'm
sorry,
pat,
forgive
me
for
doing
that.
So
I
mean
that's.
That
starts
out
with
the
best
I
see
the
verbiage
now,
balancing
yeah,
I'm
going
to
ask
the
same
question
that
the
previous
member
did
and
forgive
me
because
I'm
going
to
be
really
straightforward
and
it
probably
is
going
to
be
uncomfortable.
K
I
find
it
bizarrely
coincidental
that
at
the
last
meeting
this
word
and
this
concept
was
the
key
element
that
was
at
discussion
in
some
ways
and
suddenly
here
it
is
being
put
to
ordinance
in
front
of
us
now.
This
is
my
question
is
going
to
get
here.
I
just
want
to
preamble
this
question
to
your
knowledge
in
any
way,
was
this
ordinance
structured
after
the
last
meeting
in
regards
to
that
specific
development
application
to
clarify
the
term
balancing
that
was
not
in
our
ordinances.
B
To
my
knowledge,
no,
it
was
not
and
just
to
be
frank,
the
word
balancing
is
a
word
that
that
our
planning
director
uses
a
lot
when
we
had
our
training
with
you
all
which
was
before
either
of
those
items.
I
called
it
comprehensive
plan
as
a
whole.
B
B
We
have
been
working
on
this
for
the
past
few
months
since
july
ended
up
I'm
with
you.
The
timing
seems
rather
strange,
probably
perception
wise
and
we've
had
our
city
attorney.
Look
at
it
planning
director.
We
pulled
samples
from
other
communities.
Everybody
is
adopting
this
right
now
because
they
have
to
they
can't
a
man.
Do
one
map
amendment.
They
can't
change
a
text.
B
They
can't
do
anything
until
they
adopt
this,
so
we
did
pull
samples
and
we
came
up
with
this
language
so
that
that's
why
it's
before
you
today
would
have
been
probably
before
you
last
month,
but,
as
you
know,
a-frame
science,
we
deferred
that
one.
We
didn't
even
schedule
because
of
the
time
issue.
K
B
D
Apply
or
don't
meet
the
criteria
but
the
overall,
if
it's
heavily
weighted
on
certain
areas,
it
may
balance
everything
to
go
forward.
Is
that
how
you
look
at
the
balancing?
Yes,
okay,
now
and
looking
at
the
ordinance?
This
is
something
just
so
I'm
clear,
because
you
said
this
has
sort
of
been
mandated
by
tallahassee.
D
Okay,
so
we're
we're
trying
to
mandate
whether
we
we
have
issues
with
the
language
and-
and
I
understand
there
comes
very
dear-
I
mean
I
understand
their
concerns
very
right
on
point,
but
I
understand
that
you
know
what
why
we're
doing
this.
My
my
comment
is
some
wordsmithing
okay,
because
we
always
make
we're
making
reference
to
property
rights,
his
or
her
property
rights.
D
There
could
be
proper
rights
of
an
entity,
and
I
don't
want
to
be
you
know,
and
so
with
whether
you
know
I
got
a
company
and
I
own
a
piece
of
property.
I
should
have
the
same
property
right
that
anybody
else
does
so.
The
only
thing
I
would
sort
of
look
at
wordsmithing
is
is
to
include,
for
example,
the
right
of
a
property
owner
to
physically
possess
and
control.
D
C
I
mean
I
own
residential
property,
commercial
property
and
tarpon,
and
obviously
I
want
to
have
rights
to
develop
my
property
to
the
to
the
most
of
what
I'd
like
to
have
done
on
that
property.
But
I
do
also
understand
that
there's
a
collective
interest
in
that's
what
we're
here
for
right.
Otherwise,
everybody
would
just
build
whatever
they
want
and
there'd
be
no
standards
but,
like
the
second
bullet
point,
says
the
right
of
a
property
owner
to
use,
maintain,
develop
and
improve
his
or
her
property
for
personal
use
or
for
the
use
of
any
other
person.
C
C
C
So
I'm
just
apprehensive
about
approving
anything
that
I
end
up
that
ends
up.
You
know
coming
back,
causing
us
a
problem
later
or
or
fall.
C
You
know,
because
again,
I'm
not
a
lawyer
and-
and
I'm
concerned
that
I
don't
just
walk
into
something
and
and
that
skepticism
you
know
again
that
when
we
go
back
to
the
word
balancing
and
because
last
the
two
weeks
ago,
our
I
think
we
could
all
say
that
the
collective
interest
concerns
of
our
planning
and
zoning
was
traffic
right,
but
then,
in
balance
you
know
we
kept
hearing
that
word,
but
in
balance
you
know
we're
all
this.
C
This
project
is,
you
know,
a
a
well-balanced
project,
but
we
voted
no
because
of
one
isolated
concern,
which
was
the
safety
and
traffic
okay.
So
if,
if
this
is
passed,
does
that
have
any
would
that
have
any
effect
on
how
we
would
have
been
able
to
vote
last
meeting
I
mean.
Maybe
this
is
for
the
for
the
city
attorney,
I'm
just
I'm
just
I'm
skeptical
as
soon
as
I
saw
this,
I'm
like
what
well.
Let
me
ask.
D
D
Okay,
so,
whether
it's
on
this
or
does
it
it's
not
on
this,
the
answer
is
you
still
have
that
property
right
when
it
when
it
comes
to
balancing,
we
did
whether
these
were
the
criteria
or
not
to
me
when
you
go
when
you
try
to
turn
the
clock
back,
it
didn't
matter,
because
the
negative
was
so.
The
balance
was
so
outweighed
by
the
health
and
safety
that
the
other
criteria,
in
my
opinion,
didn't
tip
the
scale.
The
other
way,
if
that
makes
any
sense,
and
and.
G
I'll
and
I'd
be
happy
to
jump
in
a
little
bit.
I
I
want
to
make
sure
we
understand
we're
kind
of
I
think
talking
about
two
different
things,
so
this
is
from
the
legislature.
There's
no
option.
You
guys
have
to
put
this
in
your
your
plan
moving
forward,
so
it
needs
to
go
in
there.
This
verbage
needs
to
go
in
there.
G
J
G
D
A
K
K
K
C
B
Would
like
to
answer
a
couple
of
the
earlier
questions
with
respect
to
the
balancing.
That
is
nothing
new.
If
you
do
want
to
suggest
taking
the
words
balancing
out,
you
can
and
just
say,
decisions
are
based
upon.
B
If
you
want
to
do
that,
that
was
to
provide
that
that
first
goal
statement
was
to
provide
a
context
for
just
the
property
rights
statements
that
the
legislate
legislator
passed
to
provide
a
context
for
it
to
say
we
have
a
comprehensive
plan.
All
these
other
elements.
These
are
things
we're
concerned
about.
B
Second,
we
can
maybe
in
the
introductory
sentence
of
policy
we
can
clarify,
you
know
his
or
her
includes
all
persons
entities
all
that
sort
of
thing.
If
you
want
to
to
cover
that
the
property
writes
language
here
and
council
can
can
chime
in.
In
my
experience
as
a
planner,
this
is
nothing
new.
Not
only
is
it
nothing
new,
it's
not
anywhere
as
stringent
as
a
lot
of
the
case
law.
B
The
reason
we
don't
have
property
rights,
language
in
our
plan
and
I
did
add
it
to
the
last
the
plan
at
the
last
place.
I
worked
because
the
board
wanted
it.
It's
not
required
it's
because
those
items
are
normally.
You
know
judged
by
the
case
law.
That's
out
there,
so
so
this
language
to
me
is
not,
I
won't
say
it's
I'll
just
say
it
doesn't
mean
as
much
to
me.
I
guess,
as
it
sounds
like
to
to
you
all,
and
I
will
tell
you
for
context.
B
This
is
the
fourth
third
or
fourth
time
that
I
know
of
that.
This
was
brought
to
the
house
to
the
legislature.
It
failed
twice
the
third
time
the
governor
vetoed
it
that
was
year
before
last
year.
This
year
he
let
it
go
through,
so
it
I
forget
which
county
it
was.
The
you
know
congressman.
B
I
think
there
were
certain
project
or
land
owner
involved
they've
been
trying
to
get
this
through
for
some
time
this
year.
They
got
it
through,
so
we
all
have
to
do
it
now.
So
what
we
were
trying
to
do
was
just
provide
some
context
similar
to
a
lot
of
other
jurisdictions,
what
they've
done
and
to
go
ahead
and
put
a
reference
to
that
dispute
resolution
process
that
exists,
but
any
suggestions
you
have
for
language
changes
I'll,
certainly
take
to
the
board.
C
I'm
with
mr
bessie,
I
think
this
is
so
important
and
for
us
to
even
hear
to
try
to
negotiate
words
and
and
such
I
think
this
we
I
I
would.
This
is
almost
like
workshop
material,
okay
and
and
and
again
I
know
the
word
balancing
and
you
could
change
it
to
wing
or
you
could
change
it
to
whatever.
Like
I
said,
there's
you
know
like
in
there's
five
bullet
points.
There
does
does
balancing
mean
four
out
of
five
you're
good
three
out
of
five
you're
good.
C
Can
you
take
one
like
again
like
we
did
two
weeks
ago
and
really
it
was
only
the
one
item
that
killed
the
whole
thing
because
it
was
like
you
say
so,
monumentally
weighted
more
important,
but
I
it's
this
is
it's
just
I'm
sorry.
I
mean
we
got
this.
What.
C
G
If
I
may
all
right,
I,
I
think
you're
part
of
your
statement,
maybe
could
help
clarify
this.
You
just
described
a
few
weeks
ago.
You
guys
went
through
this
process
and
did
balancing
and
came
up
to
your
came
to
a
decision
that
does
this
doesn't
change
that
it
just
has
now
in
writing
that
you're
going
to
do
you're
going
to
balance
what
you're
the
different
elements
that
you're
looking
at
that's
what
case
law
requires.
That's
what
you
do
every
time
you
guys
meet,
you
listen!
You
take
the
facts.
You
balance!
G
D
E
Appear
to
lack
is
514
ashland
avenue
and
thank
you,
mr
kulianas,
for
reminding
us
of
our
duty
to
pay
attention
to
the
pnz
board.
More
and
part
of
paying
attention
is
having
access
to
information.
It
did
look
online
to
the
ordinance.
I
didn't
see
the
book
out
here,
so
I'm
going
to
have
to
kind
of
go
to
memory,
but
balancing
is
important
and
in
fact
later
in
conditional
uses,
there's
eight
items
you
have
to
use
and
they're
all
have
to
be
considered
equivalencies.
B
B
E
The
public,
the
private
property
element
that
we're
looking
at,
because
when
you
say
shall
I
would
say
in
that
line,
you
need
to
put
reference
to
all
comprehensive
plan
elements
because
it
does
have
to
balance
out.
I
agree.
People
have
rights
to
their
property.
I
disagree
sometimes
how
they
eventually
got
those,
but
that's
another
issue,
but
they
do
have
to
fit
in
with
our
zoning
and
our
land
use
and
what
the
city
has
in
its
vision
going
forward
and
the
only
thing.
E
I
would
like
to
reason
why
I
say
all
comp
plans
because,
as
the
gentleman
here
mentioned,
this
is
a
pretty
significant
step
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
this
particular
element
doesn't
have
any
higher
priority
or
weighting
and
any
kind
of
development
order
or
property
actions
such
that
it
overweighs
any
and
all
any
of
the
other
elements.
So
that
was
my
only
concern
with
this
there's
a
lot
of
vagueness
in
the
wording.
E
It
allows
I'm
not
sure
who
it
tells
to
set
up
the
guidelines
about
the
dispute
resolution
service,
and
you
know
some
of
that
aspect
that
I
guess
would
be
handed
over
to
staff
and
maybe
come
over
in
a
resolution
to
be
set
into
the
codes.
I'm
not
sure
how
that
would
work.
The
attorney
probably
could
advise
us
on
that.
But
again,
my
main
thing
was
that
whenever
a
development
project
comes
forward,
that
you
do
have
the
ability
to
look
at
all
the
elements
some
may
not
be
relevant.
Some
may
have
a
little
bit
of
relevance.
E
K
C
B
D
A
L
Which
I
understand,
but
it
also
has
been
initiated
since
july
first,
so
if
we
push
it
off
for
longer,
is
it
going
to
just
bypass
this
completely
and
say?
Well,
it's.
K
That's
good
discussion
because
then
we'd
also
have
to
say
well,
what's
going
to
change
between
now
and
the
next
meeting.
Perhaps
we
could
request
a
staff
that
they're,
I
don't
know
what
type
of
in-between
meeting
or
a
workshop
or
we
I
don't
know
if
we're
allowed
to
personally
view
other
yeah
other
people's
things.
So
what
do
we
do
in
the
meantime?
K
This
is
the
discussion
part
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
be
open
for
suggestions
and
then
I'm
going
to
use
something
I'm
going
to
go
back
and
go
the
first
order
of
the
business
today
was
something
about
signboards
and
it
was
overlooked
in
the
first
of
a
sign
maintenance.
A
K
Because
we
were
rushed
and-
and
we
didn't
have
time
to
go
through
something
that
was
very
complicated
and
lo
and
behold
a
year
later,
it
caused
all
kinds
of
brouhaha
and
it
had
to
come
back
to
us.
So
I'm
just
suggesting
perhaps
we
pump
the
brakes
take
a
few
minutes
to
think
about
it.
Look
at
it
again
in
a
deeper
angle.
Perhaps
staff
would
come
back
with
some
verbiage.
That
seems
less
coincidental.
D
Us
provide
us
language
of
other
municipalities
who
have
adopted
similar
that
that
that
kind
of
tells
us
that
we're
sort
of
mirroring
some
other
communities.
I
know
we
are
unique.
We
feel
we're
unique
in
tarpon
springs,
but
you
know
this.
I
didn't.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
make
sure
this
was
not
con
prepared
in
the
vacuum
of
somebody's
office.
K
Upstairs
and
and
watch
this
as
part
of
the
discussion,
I'm
going
to
politely,
disagree
with
the
concept
of
balancing
or
weighing
and
here's.
Why?
Because
we're
not
instructed
anywhere
we're
about
to
adopt
this
verbiage,
but
the
truth
is
when
we're
evaluating
something
there
doesn't
have
to
be
a
balance.
We'll
use
the
traffic
we're
not
going
to
approve
something
that
has
something
that
is
critically
wrong
with
it,
just
because
everything
else
kind
of
balances
it
out.
K
That's
we're
not!
We
don't
have
to
do
that.
It
can
be
an
all
or
nothing.
It's
somebody
else's
concept
that
has
to
be
balanced.
We
can
say
no,
it
needs
to
meet
this
this
this
and
this,
and
if
it
doesn't
meet
those
things
it's
not
accepted.
We
have
those
rules
with
all
kinds
of
other
things.
You
can't
annex.
If
you
don't
meet
these
things,
it's
not
a
you
can
annex
if
it's
balanced.
D
L
I
A
A
D
A
L
D
And
look
at
this
and
say
we
want
to
actually
understand
it
and
that's
that's
and
I
know
pat
you're
overwhelmed.
I
know
that
you
know
I
think,
but
things
like
this
things
like
this
yeah.
You
know-
and
I
agree
you
know
I
looked
at
this
friday
and
you
know-
and
that's
not
your
your
guys's
problem,
but
sometimes
just
like
the
side
ordinance.
D
B
So
this
so
again,
this
has
been
advertised.
We
would
have
to
present
to
the
board
whether
this
should
come
back
to
the
sport,
that
that
is
one
option
we
can
talk
about.
Let
me
suggest
another
option,
which
is,
I
think
somebody
mentioned
staff
coming
back
with
language
changes.
I've
got
language
changes
right
now
which
would
be
undergo
one.
This
is
a
suggestion.
B
B
K
In
the
spirit
of
compromise,
and
not
digging
in
too
deeply,
if
there
was,
if
that-
and
this
would
because,
if
I
amend
it
we
could
discuss
it
again-
is
that
that
is
a
start
on
part
of
the
verbiage
would
help
I'll
be
I'll.
Be
honest,
the
more
that
staff
says:
hey
we've
advertised
it,
it's
critical
that
it
gets
done.
K
So
I'm
gonna
politely
say
those
are
good
comments,
but
I'm
not
comfortable
amending
my
motion
and
I
think
we
should
vote
on
that
motion.
So
I'll
call
for
that.
G
And
I
think
if
I
can
just
jump
in
real
quick,
I
think,
based
on
your
rules
or
procedure,
you
can
vote
recommend
that
the
board
approve
it.
You
can
vote
to
recommend
the
board,
not
approve
it
or
not,
adopt
it.
There's
no
criteria
really
for
a
defer
motion
to
defer.
So
if
you
do
that,
it's
going
to
go
the
board
on
november
2nd-
and
they
may
say:
okay
sure
we'll
let
that
go
back
or
they
may
go
ahead
and
move
forward,
and
you
not
see
it
again.
G
D
A
D
D
Okay,
and
and
if
it's
up
in
and
if
staff
addresses
our
concerns
to
the
commission,
then
you
know
just
the
staff
care.
What
what
our
concerns
are?
I'm
not
staff,
but
does
the
commission
care
what
our
concerns
are?
They
may
not
care,
and-
and
so
I
think,
if
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor
to
defer.
K
So
it
and
its
council
said
that's
outside
the
guidelines
of
what
would
be
typical.
So
I
guess
for
conversation,
then
the
motion
should
be
amended
to
deny
with
the
recommendation
that
is
returned
to
us
after
verbiage
change
and
somehow
we
get
some
discussion
on
that
and
I'd
be
willing
to
take
some
advice
on
how
we
accomplished
that.
G
D
K
H
M
C
K
K
D
Now
this
horse
has
been
getting
to
death
all
right,
good,
good
job,
guys
really
good
work.
That's
really
good
work,
honestly,
okay,
and
now
we
get
into
the
quasi-judicial.
G
Yes,
part
of
this
hearing,
if
you
don't
mind,
don't
excuse
me
I'll,
read
some
rules
for
us
to
all
follow
during
this.
D
G
Okay,
this
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
or
the
planning
and
zoning
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
legislative
capacity.
At
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
a
law
that
has
already
been
established
and
a
quasi-quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
facts,
findings
of
fact
to
previously
establish
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
G
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
a
lot
of
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
G
At
this
point
time,
I'd
ask
any
members
of
the
board
if
they've
had
any
ex
parte
communications
with
the
applicants,
seeing
none
does
any
member
of
the
board
feel
they
have
a
conflict
of
interest
with
the
applicants
this
evening
and
there
are
none
at
this
time.
Anyone
that's
going
to
testify
regarding
any
of
the
quasi-judicial
hearings
that
we're
hearing
tonight.
If
you
could
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand.
G
B
N
N
N
The
applicants
are
here
today
requesting
to
be
annexed
into
the
city's
boundaries.
It's
approximately
0.38
acres
in
size.
There
are
two
other
pieces
associated
with
this
application,
which
is
a
future
land
use
map
amendment
and
a
rezoning.
That's
essentially
just
taking
the
pinellas
county
designations
and
transitioning
them
to
the
city.
Tarpon
springs
designations.
N
N
N
This
is
just
looking
at
the
surrounding
land
use.
These
are
the
areas
that
are
within
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
limits,
there's
commercial
general
to
the
south
and
there's
commercial
general
north,
as
well
as
residential
office
general.
The
areas
within
pinellas
county's
jurisdiction
are
primarily
commercial
along
pinellas
avenue
and
then
residential
along
highland
avenue
or
highland
road.
N
This
is
your
review
criteria
for
annexation.
This
property
is
eligible
for
annexation.
It's
contiguous
to
the
city's
limits.
It
also
will
not
create
any
sort
of
enclave.
The
city
is
also
able
to
provide
services
to
the
property.
The
applicants
are
looking
for
annexation
in
order
to
connect
to
the
sanitary
sewer
and
the
utilities
department
to
indicate
that
they
can
serve
this
property
and
do
have
capacity
to
do
so.
N
Staff
would
recommend
approval
of
ordinance
2021-18,
which
is
the
annexation
of
the
0.38
acres
into
the
tarpon
springs
boundary
and
just
another
reminder.
At
november
15th
hearing
we'll
hear
the
two
associated
ordinances
for
future
land
use
map
amendment
and
rezoning,
and
with
that
I
can
answer
any
questions.
C
The
you
said
that
the
property
is
currently
zone
residential.
N
It's
actually
split
so
I'll
go
back
to
that
picture.
H
N
In
the
current
county
designation,
so
the
area
that's
highlighted
in
yellow
is
residential.
Zoning
and
land
use
and
red
is
commercial.
N
Yes,
okay,
yeah,
and
so
when
we
were
looking
at
that
and
we'll
get
into
this
again
in
the
next
hearing,
we
looked
at
doing
a
neighborhood
business
designation
because
it
does
kind
of
the
configuration
of
the
property
goes
into
the
neighborhood.
So
we
wanted
to
have
some
limitations
on
that.
Okay,.
D
N
N
Essentially,
the
the
designations
are
very
similar
to
what
the
city
has
in
our
ordinance.
Once
you
annex
a
property
you're
going
to
be
underneath
the
city's.
You
know
future
land
use
categories
and
your
zonings.
We
need
to
have
the
proper
categories
in
place,
this
one's
a
little
bit
different,
just
because
we
are
looking
to
do
a
lesser
zoning
just
because
we
want
to
be
mindful
of
the
neighborhood.
That's
in
that
area,
there's.
D
Okay,
all
right
any
public
comment
being
none
any.
I
guess
we
don't
take
on
the
line
online
anymore.
K
A
K
K
D
Okay,
moving
on
application,
21-116
and
21-117.
N
Okay,
so
just
for
for
clarification,
this
presentation
and
the
staff
report
does
encompass
two
application:
numbers,
application,
21-116
and
21-117.
These
are
adjacent
properties
under
the
same
ownership
and
they're
asking
the
same
request.
So
we
compile
them
into
one
for
you.
N
N
N
This
is
one
where
the
pinellas
county
designation
is
residential
urban
and
we
have
a
residential
urban
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
so
we're
looking
to
amend
to
that
category
and
then
our
rezoning
going
from
pinellas
county
r4,
which
is
a
one
two
and
three
family
residential
district
to
city
of
tarpon,
springs
r-70,
which
is
a
one
and
two
family
residential
district
zooming
into
the
property.
This
can
show
you
the
layout
of
the
two
lots
they're,
both
equal
in
size
on
drew
boulevard.
N
N
When
looking
at
the
surrounding
land
use
in
this
area,
there
is
industrial
land
use
categories
to
the
north
and
south
of
drew
boulevard,
there
is
residential
land
use
on
the
west
side
of
anclote
road
and
within
pinellas
county
along
jeru
boulevard.
It's
a
residential
urban
land
use
category
again.
The
current
designation
is
pinellas
county
residential
urban.
We
are
proposing
to
go
to
the
residential
urban
city.
Tarpon
springs
category.
N
N
The
city
has
indicated
that
they
can
provide
services
and
do
have
the
capacity
to
provide
services
to
these
properties
upon
annexation
when
looking
at
a
future
land
use
map
amendment
the
the
annexation
and
the
designations
of
the
future
land
use
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
It
is
also
consistent
with
the
countywide
plan.
This
particular
request
does
not
require
a
county-wide
plan
map
amendment
and
with
rezoning
again.
The
staff
does
believe
that
all
criteria
has
been
met
for
rezoning.
N
We
would
recommend
approval
of
the
three
ordinances
one
for
annexation,
one
for
amending
the
future
land
use
map,
future
land
use
map
and
the
last
for
amending
the
zoning
atlas
to
rezone
the
property.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
N
The
county-wide
plan
amendment
the
current
designation,
is
consistent
with
what
the
underlying
designation
already
is.
So
there's
a
residential.
So
what
they're
proposing
to
do
is
in
the
same
category,
so
it
does
not
require
an
amendment.
They.
D
D
The
same
we
just
call
it
different,
so
is
the
applicant
here:
does
the
applicant
have
any
presentation
or
comment
to
make?
D
Okay.
Thank
you
is
okay.
So
at
this
point
I
guess
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
any
public
comment
there
being
none.
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
entertain
a
motion.
G
G
D
There's
is
there
a
second
second
okay,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
vote
on
the
first
21
dash
21-116
roll
call.
D
F
D
D
J
J
K
C
K
A
D
D
D
D
N
The
property
is
outlined
here
in
yellow
on
your
screen.
It
is
a
part
of
a
professional
development
center.
It's
a
tarpon
bed
professional
center.
N
They
have
provided
an
overview
of
how
their
club
operates
and
how
the
building
space
will
be
utilized
within
the
application
materials,
but
generally
they
stated
that
their
hours
would
be
11
am
to
11
pm
with
their
meetings
and
events,
usually
in
the
evenings
and
on
weekends.
Some
of
the
events
they
called
out
that
they
host
are
regular
monthly
meetings
for
members
fundraising
activities,
support
group
meetings
for
veterans,
they'll
provide
a
meeting
space
for
the
tarpon
springs
flotilla
of
the
coast.
Guard
auxiliary
and
they'll
also
provide
space
for
community
engagement
activities.
N
N
This
is
a
look
at
the
site
survey,
as
I
mentioned.
This
is
this
site
is
a
part
of
a
development
which
has
four
individual
buildings
with
shared
parking.
It's
the
tarpon
bend
professional
center.
The
american
legion
site
is
the
area
outlined
in
yellow
this
site.
Currently
has
a
total
of
64
parking
spaces
technically
a
private
club
or
typically
a
private
club,
would
require
one
space
for
four
members.
In
this
case
they
would
be
required
50
parking
spaces
based
off
their
current
membership.
N
They
did
indicate
that
a
majority
of
their
events
are
going
to
be
in
evenings
and
weekends,
so
their
parking
will
not
necessarily
impact
the
office
uses
that
are
in
the
existing
buildings
on
the
site.
So
it's
not
anticipated
that
parking
will
be
an
issue
for
this
center.
N
There
is.
This
is
an
existing
building
on
the
property.
The
applicants
have
submitted
a
building
permit
to
do
interior
renovations.
At
this
time,
they
have
not
proposed
any
site
modifications,
with
the
exception
of
a
new
dumpster
screen
enclosure
on
the
property
where
the
existing
dumpster
is
located.
N
This
is
the
review
criteria
for
the
conditional
use.
Staff
does
believe
that
all
criteria
has
been
met.
It
is
generally
in
conformance
with
the
land
development
code
again
they're,
not
proposing
any
modifications
to
the
site
and
any
interior
modifications
would
have
to
conform
with
the
florida
building
code.
N
The
proposed
use
is
occupy
an
existing
retail
space
that
already
is
served
by
required
facilities,
parking
roadway
access
and
other
amenities.
The
use
is
generally
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
planned.
The
use
is
not
located
within
a
historic
district
and
is
not
on
an
environmentally
sensitive
site.
N
A
staff
does
preliminary
recommend
approval
of
resolution
2021-54
to
grant
conditional
use
approval
for
the
operation
of
a
private
club
in
the
neighborhood
business.
Zoning
district,
we
do
have
two
recommended
conditions
with
the
approval,
the
first
being
the
conditional
use
will
expire
within
one
year
of
approval
if
the
building
permit
is
not
issued
for
the
property.
The
second
is
all
applicable.
Building
permits
shall
be
obtained
and
shall
address
any
renovations
necessary
to
meet
applicable
occupancy
and
fire
codes.
N
As
I
mentioned,
they
did
submit
a
building
permit.
It
is
on
hold
until
they
go
through
this
conditional
use
process.
Public
notice
was
provided
to
surrounding
property
owners.
We
did
receive
three
written
responses.
Two
were
received
last
week
and
those
were
emailed
to
you
prior
to
the
meeting.
We
received
one
letter
this
this
morning
that
we
provided
to
you
prior
to
the
meeting,
and
with
that
I
can
answer
any
questions.
D
I
I
do
have
a
couple
questions.
The
parking
is
that
a
common
area
to
the
development
so
is
there
is
an
office
condominium
or
how
is
that.
N
So
the
other
buildings
are
used
for
office
spaces
because
it's
under
the
neighborhood
business
zoning
district,
whatever
uses,
are
permitted
and
or
conditional,
can
go
in
those
buildings.
No.
N
D
D
Based
on
the
stuff
that
the
comments
that
were
or
the
requests
that
were
submitted,
they
mentioned
about
some
privacy
privacy
and
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
would
be
done.
If,
because
right
now,
there
is
no
fencing
along
the
rear.
C
I'll
reserve
until
okay,
the
applicant,
makes
their
proposal.
G
M
You
did
it
last
time
I
swore
around.
I
got
in
trouble,
they
sent
me
over
to
vietnam.
Well,
I
won't
send
you
anywhere
the
the
fencing
issue.
We
brought
up
to
a
number
of
people
because
we
also
have
35
36
members
who
live
in
the
green
dolphin.
That
are
veterans,
and
I
brought
this
up
that
we
wanted
to
put
a
fence
up
for
a
number
of
reasons.
I
M
Never
get
back
to
us
what
they
want,
but
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
an
issue
to
us
and,
as
you
know,
you
know
what
the
american
legion
does.
It's,
basically
for
veterans
and
the
time
factors
why
we
close
at
11
o'clock
is
the
average
legionnaire
is
62,
I'm
going
to
get
in
trouble
62
to
85.,
so
we're
kind
of
old
people
are
in
bed
by
10
o'clock.
That's
all.
I
have
to
say.
M
K
I
have
a
question
where,
where
are
you
currently
located
at.
M
That
building
we're
up
on
the
second
floor,
and
that
is
where
our
office
is.
K
M
Until
but
we're
capping
at
11
o'clock,
if,
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
function,
there's
a
form,
I
guess
we
have
to
fill
out
with
the
city
for
any
function
that
we're
going
to
have
and
so
on.
So
the
answer
at
this
point
is
no.
We
expect
to
close
at.
M
M
K
M
Have
what
we're
basically
going
to
be
using
this
for
and
I
understand
the
bar
situation,
but
it's
everybody
assumes
that
it's
a
smoking
drinking
so
on
those
days
have
changed.
That's
the
days
of
when
I
was
younger
and
when
your
father
went
to
the
american
legion
today,
it's
more
of
a
group
thing
for
people
to
go
in.
They.
A
M
90
percent
of
our
function
would
be
helping
veterans
veterans
that
come
back
from
war
that
are
wounded.
We
give
them
we
help
with
their
family.
We
help
them
with
food.
We
help
them
with
housing,
a
lot
of
that
is
being
done
and
then
they're
grouped
together.
But
yes,
indeed,
it
is
a
there'll,
be
a
wine
and
a
beer
license
that
we'll
have.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
M
The
gentlemen
that
are
behind
me
are
combat
veterans
and
some
have
the
bronze
star
civil
star
and
and
the
vietnam
battlefield,
so
it's
you're
right.
It's
a
diversified,
crew
and
and
again
today
we
are
filling
in
with
the
government
can't
at
this
point
giving
services
out
to
our
veterans
yep.
This
is
what
we're
basically
here
for
that's
why
we
need
this
building.
That's
why
we're
using
the
building?
Okay,.
C
So
so
you
guys
aren't
going
to
be
too
rowdy
right,
you're
not
going
to
annoy
those
poor.
M
M
C
M
M
C
M
Cutting
illness
does
where
it
is,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
do,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
services
that
we
give
to
the
green
dolphin
that
are
veterans
that
are
members
of
our
unit.
All.
C
C
D
D
D
Yeah-
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
too-
you
know
I'm
I'm
an
elk
and
the
elk
has
the
elks
have
the
bar
and
they
actually
use
that
bar
to
help
keep
the
lights
on,
because
you
know
dues
in
and
of
itself
sometimes
doesn't
pay
the
electric
attack.
You
know
all
these
things,
so
so
one
of
the
reasons
that
that
some
of
these
clubs
do
do
have
have
a
bar
is
to
is
to
help
cover
their
overhead
expenses.
O
Hello,
my
name
is
theresa
k
bozard,
I
live
a
1206
palm
drive.
It
is
an
end
villa
unit
that
is
directly
behind
the
the
proposed
legion.
In
fact,
we
will
have
some
pictures
but-
and
I
I
did
send
an
email.
I
was
having
a
little
problem
with
my
email
working,
but
I'm
hoping
that
this
is
one
of
the
ones
you
guys
got,
but
my
front
door
looks
directly
by
line
sight
into
the
back
door
of
of
the
of
the
legion.
O
So
you
know-
and
let
me
say
I
completely
respect
thank
the
service
of
our
servicemen
and
and
women
and
the
people
who
have
and
are
currently
defending
our
country
and
serving
our
country.
So
my
my
all.
My
issues
are
privacy
and
safety
related
to
any
kind
of
private
club.
That
would
be
in
that
location
in
terms
that
would
be
selling
alcohol
and
things
like
that-
and
I
don't
I
don't
even
know
how
far
but
it's
like
very
short
distance
between
my
front
door
and
the
back
door.
O
So
I'm
very
relieved
to
hear
that
that
the
legion
would
put
up
a
fence,
a
privacy
fence,
because
of
course
you
cannot
control
you
know,
especially
if
it
was
open
to
the
public
bar
and
stuff,
and
I
am
an
elk,
I'm
a
member
of
elk
elks
and
I
am
not
opposed
to
the
legion
at
all,
but
I
am
concerned
about
safety
and
privacy
and,
and
that
is
boarding
bordering
a
residential
community,
and
it's
just
so
so
close
people
walk
their
dogs.
You
know
it
gets
dark
at
night.
O
O
So,
like
I
said,
I
totally
appreciate
the
service
of
men
and
women
at
this,
our
country
and
the
protection,
and
I
am
not
opposed
to
lesion
at
all,
but
I
do
think
there
should
be
some
requirements
to
and
that
the
offense
should
and
the
main
main
maintenance
of
the
fence
as
well
too,
because
good,
solid
privacy
fences
do
do
break
down.
Sometimes
so
you
know,
whatever
barrier
would
be
up
there
for
ensuring
privacy
and
safety.
I
P
I
P
And
if
he
was
here
today,
he'd
be
very
proud
that
I
was
speaking
and
supporting
your
organization,
but
I
want
to
say
we
have
356
retirees
abutting
this
area
and
it
is
a
concern
of
safety
for
everyone.
There
we've
had
many
times
had
to
call
the
police
in
the
middle
of
night.
I
understand
having
the
fence
is
going
to
be
very
important.
There's
a
lot
of
concern
about
ours.
I
did
not
realize
it
was
going
to
be
till
11
o'clock
at
night
and
on
the
weekends.
P
P
P
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
be
an
issue,
but
I
certainly
hope
it's
not
going
to
be,
but
anyway,
I'm
here
to
say
we
would
not
oppose
if,
in
fact
they
do
construct
the
fence
barrier
that
they
say
they're
going
to
do
and
that
that
would
be
a
condition
of
them
having
to
move
forward,
and
the
other
thing
I'd
like
to
ask
is:
has
the
liquor
license
already
been
issued
to
them?
I'm
not
aware
that
that's
happened,
and
that
would
have
to
be
a
condition
I
would
think
before.
D
P
Okay,
well,
thank
you
for
taking
our
concern
to
your
matter.
Thank.
A
D
M
Is
I
was
the
chief
of
police,
retired
fbi
agent
had
long
extensive
calls
with
the
new
chief
of
what
we
would
do,
how
we'd
handle
the
drinking?
The
other
thing
is.
We
would
be
willing
to
have
a
monthly
meeting
with
the
green
dolphin.
I
mean
I,
you
know
there'd
be.
M
M
D
D
M
That's
what's
been
seen
right
along
okay,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
incidents
from
the
police
department,
but
you
got
to
remember.
We
just
moved
there.
L
I
just
want
to
get
some
quick
clarification
from
you.
If
you
don't
mind,
it
says
in
here
that
you
guys
are
not
open
to
the
general
public
and
you're,
a
private
club
that
there's
not
going
to
be
anybody
that's
allowed
in
unless
it's
accompanied
by
okay.
I
just
want
to
get
clarification
on
that,
because
the
two
ladies
made
it
seem
like
they,
they
were
informed
that
it
might
have
been
a
public
cult
club.
M
I
think
that
came
up
with
the
bingo.
The
other
thing
that
she's
not
aware
of
is
that,
according
to
the
liquor
license
that
we
don't
have
yet
or
the
bingo
license
that
we
we
don't
have
yet
it's
a
stipulation
in
there
that
we
cannot
serve
alcohol
beverages.
Why
bingo
is
going
on?
I
mean
that's
a
very,
very
close
knitted
license
that
the
american
legion
has,
which
is
a
separate
license
from
everybody
else
and
again.
I
belong
to
the
elks.
Also.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
I
have
a
question.
C
M
Absolutely
there
will
be
a
a
commander
or
a
vice
commander
that
would
be
there
or
somebody
in
charge
for
the
control
and
there's
a
number
of
controls
of
meetings
that
we're.
Having
that
we
want
to
see
that
has
to
be
implemented.
It
yeah,
you
know,
because
we
don't
want
to
lose
our
charter
as
the
american
legion.
You
know
we
also
have
them
to
deal
with
so
you're
willing.
C
To
like,
you
said-
and
I
know
this
isn't
part
of
sure
this
is
conversation
between
these
parties-
you're
willing
to
interact
with
the
people
green
dolphin.
You
would
give
them
the
number
so
they
could
like.
If
they
have
an
issue
at
that
night,
they
could
call
and
speak
to
the
commander
or
the
or
or.
M
M
That's
one
of
the
problems
we
were
having
is
who
do
we
really
talk
to
and
and
when
I
tried
to
look
into
it,
there's
so
much
confusion
going
on
fighting
into
fighting.
We
didn't
know
who
to
talk
to
so
I'm
glad
they
showed
up
here,
so
they
could
give
us
who
to
talk
to.
We
would
be
delighted.
Okay,.
C
Be
they
don't
want
to
hear
boom
boom
boom
all
night
long
or
something
like
that?
I
mean,
and
obviously
you
guys,
I
don't
think
you
are
the
boom
boom
boom
types,
but
but
they
just
they
want
these
people
want
to
have
peace
and
enjoy
their
their
their
homes,
and
you
guys
want
to
get
together
and
have
camaraderie.
C
C
The
concern
about
the
fence
is
that
we're
not
we
don't
want
this
to
be
like
a
technicality.
Oh,
we
just
put
a
fence
up.
It's
got
to
be
like
a
let's
say,
a
pvc
fence,
white
nice,
looking
fence,
that's
that.
M
Absolutely
has
to
be
nice,
looking
absolutely
a
good
fence,
the
thing
that
we
were
concerned
about
a
number
of
people
that
lived
there
are
walking
their
dogs,
their
animals
and
they're,
depositing
their
stuff
on
our
property,
not
picking
it
up.
So
we
have
a
maintenance
guy
that
constantly
picks
up
okay
after
these
people
that
walk
their
dogs
all
right.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
wanted.
C
C
M
D
Would
be
a
nice
fence?
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
guess.
Unless
anybody
has
any
comment
further
cob
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
entertain
a
motion.
Q
K
M
K
I
I
do
believe
that
the
conversation
about
the
fence
was
included,
but
I
would
just
say
that
that
conversation
as
recorded.
G
K
G
L
G
I'm
sorry
one
more
thing
there
are.
There
are
already
two
conditions
that
staff
had
put
on
the
resolution
that
it
will
expire
within
one
year
of
approval
if
the
building
permits
not
issued
and
all
applicable
building
permits
shall
be
obtained
and
shall
address
any
renovations,
necessary
and
meet
applicable
occupancy
and
fire
codes.
So.
C
C
But
the
the
the
but
they
want
a-
I
don't
know
they
want
a
a
white
pvc.
I
don't
think
we
can.
D
C
C
C
D
Can't
it
be
a
certain
kind
of
fact:
well,
I
don't
think
that's
a
conditional
use
what
what
the
neighbors
want.
I
think
I
think
the
conditional
use
is
that
we're
going
to
require
a
privacy
fence
period.
You
know
getting
into
the
the
the
weeds
with
regard
to
what
type
of
fence
what's
going
to
look
like
how
who
makes
it
that
kind
of
stuff.
D
Getting
into,
I
think,
that's
getting
into
the
weeds,
that's
beyond
our
hurry
purview
with
regard
we
can
request
and
part
of
making
a
condition
that
a
privacy
fence
and
there's
millions
types
of
privacy
fences
as
long
as
it
meets
what
is
deemed
a
privacy
fence.
I
think,
but
but
you
know
generally
privacyfest
is
going
to
be
something:
that's
either
the
the
the
the
wood
ones
or
the
the
plastic
ones
or
whatever,
but
I
think
that's
because
we're
putting
an
onus
on
cost
on
them
too,
but
they're
agreeing
to
it.
D
A
G
G
They've
they've
said
they
have
no
problem
with
that
condition.
The
the
residents
seem
to
be
happy
with
that
condition.
You're
saying
put
up
a
private
we're
recommending
to
the
board
that
they
approve
this
with
that
that
condition
on
there.
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
further.
That
needs
to
be
done
at
this
stage.
A
G
Don't
think,
like
you
said,
I
don't
think
we
have
the
ability
to
say
you
need
to
go
to
you
know
this
this
this
material
or
that
material,
it's
their
purchase,
it's
their
money.
They
may
want
to
agree
to
more
than
that.
That's
on
on
them,
but
from
you
it
would
be
just
a
condition
that
a
privacy
fence
per
city
code,
the
approvals
that
they
they
need
from
the
city
to
move
forward.
C
G
M
Like
I
said
to
you
before,
there's
five
different
hoas,
so
I
don't
know
who
they're
speaking
for
I
did
talk
to
one
hoa
and
they
didn't
have
any
objections.
They
didn't
want
a
fence,
so
I'm
hoping
you're
not
getting
caught
into
a
bind
here.
We'd
like
to
have
the
fence.
We
want
the
fence,
but
are
they
speaking
for
the
whole
hoa
where
they
took
it
up
in
their
meeting
and
say
because
we've
got
part
of
it
what's
happening?
Is
we
also
want
the
fence?
M
Because
people
are
parking
on
our
property
where
the
grasses,
so
we
didn't
want
to
get
involved?
In
that
I
mean
we
just
said:
we'd
like
to
have
a
fence
willing
to
put
up
a
fence
and
again
we'll
restrict
it.
So
when
the
code
enforcement
comes
and
said,
this
is
the
kind
of
fence
we
can
have
it's
just
like
the
bath
the
bathrooms
are
putting
in.
We
have
to
have
certain
kind
of
commodes
and
sinks
that
have
to
be
approved
by
the
city
and
that's
the
same
thing
with
fence.
M
It
has
to
be
approved
by
the
city.
Before
we
can
put
a
fence
up.
We
can't
put
a
10-foot
pence
or
a
20-foot
bench
or
you
know
we're
not
gonna
have
any
openings
in
the
fence.
It's
gonna
be
one
kind
of
a
fence
and
I'm
still
having
a
problem
as
soon
as
we
get
done
here.
Is
I'm
hoping
we're
gonna
get
the
approval,
okay,
that
we
could
close
in
the
trash
container
with
cement
bricks
around
it
and
put
a
lock
on
it
because
everybody's
using
it
okay.
D
K
May,
since
I
put
the
motion
up,
which
is
hey,
we
accept
it.
We
accept
the
staff
recommendations
and
we
say
there
should
be
a
fence
and
that's
a
privacy
fence,
but
I'm
going
to
tighten
this
up
and
not
say
material.
We
can
only
require
that
it
or
ask
that
it
is
part
of
the
parcel
that
they're
in
control
of
the
truth
is,
we
can't
say,
an
entire
fence
because
they
don't
have
an
approval
for
that.
So
it's
only.
It
can
only
be
for
the
section
that
they
own
or
they're
in
control
of
they're.
K
D
K
D
C
K
D
Yes,
motion
passes.
Thank
you,
okay.
I
guess
the
that
was
the
last
item.
I
guess
at
this
point
in
time
any
staff
comments.